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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:04,042 (intense music) 2 00:00:08,458 --> 00:00:11,375 I've done over 13,000 autopsies in my career. 3 00:00:12,458 --> 00:00:13,522 I perform autopsies 4 00:00:13,542 --> 00:00:16,875 to try to figure out how in fact people died. 5 00:00:16,895 --> 00:00:19,208 I have this echo going through my head, 6 00:00:19,228 --> 00:00:21,522 constantly feeding me and telling me, 7 00:00:21,542 --> 00:00:25,125 rule out homicide, rule out homicide, rule out homicide. 8 00:00:27,375 --> 00:00:31,042 We're talking about two deaths in a small town. 9 00:00:31,062 --> 00:00:33,147 Things started spiraling. 10 00:00:33,167 --> 00:00:37,625 We have a relatively benign car accident 11 00:00:37,645 --> 00:00:39,667 and a fall down the stairs. 12 00:00:41,208 --> 00:00:44,500 I needed to know what caused those type of injuries. 13 00:00:46,042 --> 00:00:48,167 Are these lacerations due to somebody striking her 14 00:00:48,187 --> 00:00:49,188 with an object, 15 00:00:49,208 --> 00:00:51,022 or is it due to a fall? 16 00:00:51,042 --> 00:00:53,094 I wanted to examine that heart to see 17 00:00:53,114 --> 00:00:55,167 if in fact she had a heart attack. 18 00:00:56,375 --> 00:00:58,250 There were cuts and gashes and bruises. 19 00:00:58,270 --> 00:00:59,750 She was fighting someone. 20 00:01:01,125 --> 00:01:03,500 This is someone they trusted, they loved, they adored. 21 00:01:05,375 --> 00:01:07,188 It was just a gut feeling. 22 00:01:07,208 --> 00:01:08,417 She didn't fall around the steps. 23 00:01:08,437 --> 00:01:10,417 There's more to it than that. 24 00:01:10,437 --> 00:01:12,397 I don't think that anybody 25 00:01:12,417 --> 00:01:15,355 would've expected what we found. 26 00:01:15,375 --> 00:01:17,761 People are crying for justice from the grave. 27 00:01:17,781 --> 00:01:20,167 [Voiceover] (whispering) Tell me, tell me. 28 00:01:20,187 --> 00:01:21,583 Tell me how, 29 00:01:21,603 --> 00:01:23,125 tell me, 30 00:01:23,145 --> 00:01:24,333 tell me 31 00:01:24,353 --> 00:01:25,542 how I died. 32 00:01:27,542 --> 00:01:30,313 (heart thumping) 33 00:01:30,333 --> 00:01:34,125 (intense music continuing) 34 00:01:42,042 --> 00:01:44,917 It was the afternoon of April 23rd, 1999, 35 00:01:44,937 --> 00:01:47,980 and a call came into 911. 36 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,208 It was a local pastor, Arthur Schirmer. 37 00:01:50,228 --> 00:01:53,605 Everybody knew him as A.B. 38 00:01:53,625 --> 00:01:55,522 He said that he was out for a run. 39 00:01:55,542 --> 00:01:58,875 He came home and he saw Jewel, his wife, 40 00:01:58,895 --> 00:02:00,625 at the bottom of the staircase. 41 00:02:00,645 --> 00:02:01,800 She had fallen. 42 00:02:02,542 --> 00:02:04,272 (ambulance siren) 43 00:02:04,292 --> 00:02:05,823 When first responders showed up, 44 00:02:05,843 --> 00:02:07,453 and they go inside the house, 45 00:02:07,473 --> 00:02:09,083 and it was anything but calm. 46 00:02:10,375 --> 00:02:13,292 When first responders tried to give Jewel medical aid, 47 00:02:13,312 --> 00:02:16,292 she immediately started flailing her arms. 48 00:02:16,312 --> 00:02:19,563 She definitely was still alive, 49 00:02:19,583 --> 00:02:21,750 and she did not want to be touched. 50 00:02:23,042 --> 00:02:24,605 According to EMS providers, 51 00:02:24,625 --> 00:02:27,458 she was found at the bottom of the steps 52 00:02:27,478 --> 00:02:31,625 with a cord wrapped around her leg. 53 00:02:31,645 --> 00:02:33,188 Both shoes are off, 54 00:02:33,208 --> 00:02:35,792 and she was brought to Hershey Medical Center. 55 00:02:43,333 --> 00:02:46,323 It was a cold and windy and dreary day, 56 00:02:46,343 --> 00:02:49,333 and the phone rang and my wife answered it, 57 00:02:49,353 --> 00:02:50,522 and she came out in the kitchen, 58 00:02:50,542 --> 00:02:53,500 and said, "It's A.B., he wants to talk to you." 59 00:02:54,792 --> 00:02:57,636 So, I walked in the room, picked up the phone, 60 00:02:57,656 --> 00:03:00,500 and he said that my sister Jewel had an accident. 61 00:03:02,208 --> 00:03:04,355 The conversation turned for the worst, 62 00:03:04,375 --> 00:03:07,542 because then he said, "She's in an intensive care 63 00:03:07,562 --> 00:03:08,772 in the intensive care unit. 64 00:03:08,792 --> 00:03:10,750 They don't think she's gonna make it." 65 00:03:12,167 --> 00:03:13,823 So, when I hung up the phone, 66 00:03:13,843 --> 00:03:15,480 I had walked down the hallway, 67 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:18,833 and I had to tell my father his daughter was gonna die. 68 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:31,917 When my father and I arrived at the Hershey Medical Center, 69 00:03:31,937 --> 00:03:33,688 we walked down this long hallway, 70 00:03:33,708 --> 00:03:35,897 and instead of rooms, it was all curtains. 71 00:03:35,917 --> 00:03:38,542 So I walked over to that curtain and I pulled it back, 72 00:03:38,562 --> 00:03:40,458 and I just stopped dead in my tracks, 73 00:03:40,478 --> 00:03:42,730 because my sister looked 74 00:03:42,750 --> 00:03:44,708 like she got hit by a freight train. 75 00:03:46,250 --> 00:03:48,855 And the first thought I had was there 76 00:03:48,875 --> 00:03:53,250 was just way too many injuries for falling down steps. 77 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:55,354 And I said to my father, I said, 78 00:03:55,374 --> 00:03:57,438 "Something's not right here." 79 00:03:57,458 --> 00:03:59,625 And he shook his head and said, "Yeah." 80 00:03:59,645 --> 00:04:01,375 I said, "Look at her knuckles. 81 00:04:01,395 --> 00:04:02,583 She was in a fight." 82 00:04:03,542 --> 00:04:05,532 Maybe if she fell down the steps, 83 00:04:05,552 --> 00:04:07,537 she would've busted one knuckle open, 84 00:04:07,557 --> 00:04:09,522 but all 10 of 'em were were bloody. 85 00:04:09,542 --> 00:04:12,458 It just didn't make any sense to my father or myself. 86 00:04:15,667 --> 00:04:19,292 24, 28 hours after that point, 87 00:04:19,312 --> 00:04:20,500 I lost my sister Jewel. 88 00:04:31,833 --> 00:04:35,042 We were born here in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania. 89 00:04:35,062 --> 00:04:37,208 Our family was a religious family. 90 00:04:37,228 --> 00:04:39,355 My parents were both ministers. 91 00:04:39,375 --> 00:04:41,490 Jewel and I were the only children, 92 00:04:41,510 --> 00:04:43,625 and she was 13 years older than me. 93 00:04:44,375 --> 00:04:45,897 Jewel met A.B., 94 00:04:45,917 --> 00:04:48,875 I believe it was her second or third year in college. 95 00:04:50,042 --> 00:04:51,438 Arthur's nickname was A.B., 96 00:04:51,458 --> 00:04:53,635 because his middle name was Burton 97 00:04:53,655 --> 00:04:55,833 and that's all I ever knew him by. 98 00:04:57,208 --> 00:04:58,563 Jewel was graduated from college 99 00:04:58,583 --> 00:05:01,542 and was married before I was in middle school. 100 00:05:02,875 --> 00:05:06,167 So, it was a normal brother and sister relationship, 101 00:05:06,187 --> 00:05:07,917 but it wasn't a very close one, 102 00:05:07,937 --> 00:05:09,667 because of the age difference. 103 00:05:10,917 --> 00:05:14,417 Jewel was married to Arthur for over 30 years. 104 00:05:14,437 --> 00:05:15,897 He was a well-known pastor, 105 00:05:15,917 --> 00:05:18,792 and in his church, the people really loved him. 106 00:05:20,750 --> 00:05:23,500 Arthur and Jewel lived in a church parsonage, 107 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,563 very modest, split level home. 108 00:05:26,583 --> 00:05:29,855 They had two daughters and one son. 109 00:05:29,875 --> 00:05:33,875 Jewel was well-known and well loved in her community. 110 00:05:33,895 --> 00:05:35,292 That is for sure. 111 00:05:36,708 --> 00:05:39,177 Jewel's two passions in life 112 00:05:39,197 --> 00:05:41,667 were her children and music. 113 00:05:42,708 --> 00:05:45,208 My sister was like a she-bear with cubs 114 00:05:45,228 --> 00:05:46,730 when it came to her children, 115 00:05:46,750 --> 00:05:48,375 because if you mess with one of her kids, 116 00:05:48,395 --> 00:05:49,980 you were gonna mess with her. 117 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,083 She taught Sunday school for little kids. 118 00:05:52,103 --> 00:05:53,897 She had the children's choir. 119 00:05:53,917 --> 00:05:57,833 She was a music teacher in a Catholic school. 120 00:05:59,625 --> 00:06:01,833 She just had a overwhelming 121 00:06:03,125 --> 00:06:04,708 love and compassion for children. 122 00:06:06,958 --> 00:06:09,813 Pastor Schirmer was the wholesome church man 123 00:06:09,833 --> 00:06:14,583 and cared about his community and his life at home. 124 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:16,323 People knew him. 125 00:06:16,343 --> 00:06:17,432 He was charismatic. 126 00:06:17,452 --> 00:06:18,522 He was a great singer. 127 00:06:18,542 --> 00:06:19,980 He was even part of a singing group, 128 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,458 and they would tour and travel around and perform. 129 00:06:24,542 --> 00:06:26,292 The people that attended that church, 130 00:06:26,312 --> 00:06:27,875 they thought very highly of him. 131 00:06:34,917 --> 00:06:36,480 After Jewel passed away, 132 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:38,990 that time period for me was difficult. 133 00:06:39,010 --> 00:06:41,500 I hunt with a lot of police officers, 134 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,522 and I know state troopers, 135 00:06:43,542 --> 00:06:46,583 and they all basically gave me the same answer. 136 00:06:46,603 --> 00:06:50,875 The coroner has the final decision. 137 00:06:52,292 --> 00:06:54,438 I was just convinced, 138 00:06:54,458 --> 00:06:56,688 she didn't just fall down the steps, 139 00:06:56,708 --> 00:06:59,042 and I wanted her death to be investigated. 140 00:07:01,458 --> 00:07:09,042 (ominous music) 141 00:07:14,375 --> 00:07:16,667 My work is extremely important. 142 00:07:17,917 --> 00:07:20,167 When I've completed an autopsy, and give a cause of death 143 00:07:20,187 --> 00:07:22,125 and even testify in court, 144 00:07:22,145 --> 00:07:23,792 lives are at stake. 145 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,281 Why not let the detectives do all the work? 146 00:07:27,301 --> 00:07:29,583 Well, the problem is that law enforcement 147 00:07:29,603 --> 00:07:31,313 is good at some things, 148 00:07:31,333 --> 00:07:33,125 and we're better at other things. 149 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:43,667 (voiceover) This is Dr. Ross dictating a post-mortem report, 150 00:07:43,687 --> 00:07:46,667 and I'm dictating this report on Jewel Schirmer, 151 00:07:46,687 --> 00:07:48,833 50 year old white female. 152 00:07:50,875 --> 00:07:52,022 Even to this day, 153 00:07:52,042 --> 00:07:55,500 I can see the image of her body in my head. 154 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,980 I see this woman lying on this gurney. 155 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,761 She has bruises throughout her entire body, 156 00:08:01,781 --> 00:08:04,776 and there were three injuries to the head 157 00:08:04,796 --> 00:08:07,792 that really stood out then and stand out now. 158 00:08:10,208 --> 00:08:14,208 She had two lacerations to the right side of her head 159 00:08:14,228 --> 00:08:16,708 and a big laceration to the back of her head. 160 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:19,927 You know, forensic pathologists 161 00:08:19,947 --> 00:08:21,355 have a sort of internal speak 162 00:08:21,375 --> 00:08:25,563 that goes on as they're doing an autopsy. 163 00:08:25,583 --> 00:08:29,000 And right now the body tells us something's wrong here. 164 00:08:35,208 --> 00:08:36,583 I looked over the medical records 165 00:08:36,603 --> 00:08:38,000 at Hershey Medical Center, 166 00:08:39,250 --> 00:08:41,938 and they examined her heart 167 00:08:41,958 --> 00:08:44,406 and believed that she had had a heart attack, 168 00:08:44,426 --> 00:08:46,875 and she had fallen down a flight of stairs. 169 00:08:49,875 --> 00:08:53,500 Well, I have to prove that or disprove it. 170 00:08:54,542 --> 00:08:57,833 Suffice to say, if I'm going to court one day, 171 00:08:57,853 --> 00:09:00,313 I have to concede that I don't know 172 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:04,958 if those injuries I see there are due to trauma or whatever. 173 00:09:04,978 --> 00:09:07,375 It becomes quite a complicated issue 174 00:09:07,395 --> 00:09:09,230 and can be very confusing, 175 00:09:09,250 --> 00:09:14,500 because ultimately the courts don't want speculation. 176 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,583 And we had a big obstacle in this case, 177 00:09:18,603 --> 00:09:20,730 and that was when we got the body, 178 00:09:20,750 --> 00:09:23,542 we noticed that all these organs have been donated. 179 00:09:25,125 --> 00:09:27,188 Whoa, I got a problem. 180 00:09:27,208 --> 00:09:30,250 I'm really at a significant disadvantage here. 181 00:09:30,270 --> 00:09:32,750 How am I gonna fix this? 182 00:09:33,875 --> 00:09:35,583 Obviously you can't use a heart that's 183 00:09:35,603 --> 00:09:37,729 had a real heart attack, 184 00:09:37,749 --> 00:09:40,260 because the muscle's dead, 185 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,792 but you can use the valves. 186 00:09:44,542 --> 00:09:46,917 And I'm thinking this is absolutely bizarre. 187 00:09:46,937 --> 00:09:49,188 Here I am in the middle of an autopsy. 188 00:09:49,208 --> 00:09:52,323 I'm trying to figure out the cause and manner of death. 189 00:09:52,343 --> 00:09:55,458 One of the critical issues is she has a heart attack. 190 00:09:55,478 --> 00:09:57,583 Does anybody leave the heart in the body, 191 00:09:57,603 --> 00:09:59,687 so the forensic pathologist can examine it 192 00:09:59,707 --> 00:10:01,772 and try to figure out what's going on? 193 00:10:01,792 --> 00:10:04,875 Why on earth would you ever take the heart out, 194 00:10:04,895 --> 00:10:06,354 and transplant it somewhere? 195 00:10:06,374 --> 00:10:07,813 It doesn't make any sense. 196 00:10:07,833 --> 00:10:10,042 You gotta save the heart so the forensic pathologist 197 00:10:10,062 --> 00:10:12,083 can look at it under the microscope. 198 00:10:14,375 --> 00:10:18,397 I had this echo going through my head constantly. 199 00:10:18,417 --> 00:10:21,625 Rule out homicide, rule out homicide, rule out homicide. 200 00:10:21,645 --> 00:10:23,272 Well, what's the answer to that? 201 00:10:23,292 --> 00:10:26,125 Get the heart, get the heart, get the heart. 202 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,667 (ominous music) 203 00:10:38,875 --> 00:10:41,292 This is a family portrait of my mother 204 00:10:41,312 --> 00:10:43,250 and father and my sister 205 00:10:43,270 --> 00:10:44,383 and myself. 206 00:10:46,208 --> 00:10:53,333 And this is my sister's graduation picture from 1966. 207 00:10:54,125 --> 00:10:59,625 And this one here is my sister's wedding picture 208 00:11:00,625 --> 00:11:02,708 from 1968, 209 00:11:06,792 --> 00:11:09,375 and that's all that I have of my sister. 210 00:11:15,708 --> 00:11:17,230 Back in 1999, 211 00:11:17,250 --> 00:11:19,417 I was contacted by the coroner's office 212 00:11:19,437 --> 00:11:22,375 about the death of Jewel Schirmer. 213 00:11:22,395 --> 00:11:23,980 So, I went in, 214 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 and first thing I noted was that there's no heart. 215 00:11:28,542 --> 00:11:29,677 And let me tell you, 216 00:11:29,697 --> 00:11:30,833 I felt like odd man out, 217 00:11:31,958 --> 00:11:34,792 and I may have to be an insufferable nag, 218 00:11:34,812 --> 00:11:36,792 which I'm more than willing 219 00:11:36,812 --> 00:11:38,792 to do to get her heart slides. 220 00:11:44,708 --> 00:11:48,250 During the following week, after Jewel passed away, 221 00:11:48,270 --> 00:11:51,792 my father told me he wants to go up to 222 00:11:55,042 --> 00:11:58,417 So, I took him up there and we knocked on the door, 223 00:11:58,437 --> 00:11:59,592 rang the doorbell. 224 00:12:01,208 --> 00:12:03,292 At one point he finally opened the door, 225 00:12:04,792 --> 00:12:06,188 and I went right out into the kitchen, 226 00:12:06,208 --> 00:12:08,333 into the garage, and down into the basement 227 00:12:08,353 --> 00:12:10,542 where this supposedly happened. 228 00:12:10,562 --> 00:12:12,125 It was just a gut feeling, 229 00:12:12,145 --> 00:12:13,688 something didn't sit right, 230 00:12:13,708 --> 00:12:15,427 that she didn't fall down the steps. 231 00:12:15,447 --> 00:12:17,167 So there was more to it than that. 232 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,677 There was a concrete floor, concrete block basement, 233 00:12:22,697 --> 00:12:26,355 and you could see where the walls were scrubbed. 234 00:12:26,375 --> 00:12:31,042 And I followed the line to where the cleaning stopped. 235 00:12:31,062 --> 00:12:32,750 And I look back at the steps and I'm thinking, 236 00:12:32,770 --> 00:12:34,897 if she fell down those steps, 237 00:12:34,917 --> 00:12:37,250 why would there be blood all the way over here? 238 00:12:37,270 --> 00:12:39,375 Somebody really scrubbed up this basement. 239 00:12:41,083 --> 00:12:44,208 I went back upstairs and my father was talking to A.B., 240 00:12:44,228 --> 00:12:46,063 and I squeezed right in between 'em, 241 00:12:46,083 --> 00:12:49,792 and I was nose to nose with A.B. and I said, 242 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:52,063 "Who cleaned up all the blood?" 243 00:12:52,083 --> 00:12:53,708 And he said, "The paramedics stayed behind 244 00:12:53,728 --> 00:12:55,522 and cleaned it up." 245 00:12:55,542 --> 00:12:56,688 And I couldn't help myself. 246 00:12:56,708 --> 00:12:58,522 And I just said, "That's bull (beep). 247 00:12:58,542 --> 00:13:00,583 Paramedics don't stay behind and clean up blood." 248 00:13:00,603 --> 00:13:02,645 And I know that because I used to run 249 00:13:02,665 --> 00:13:04,718 with that same ambulance organization. 250 00:13:04,738 --> 00:13:06,792 I said to my father, I said, "He's lying." 251 00:13:12,083 --> 00:13:15,458 I remember when I was approximately eight years old 252 00:13:15,478 --> 00:13:16,938 at the time, 253 00:13:16,958 --> 00:13:18,573 my parents received a phone call 254 00:13:18,593 --> 00:13:20,161 from my sister, (phone ringing) 255 00:13:20,181 --> 00:13:21,730 late at night that she was upset, 256 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:23,958 'cause her husband A.B. wasn't at home. 257 00:13:25,042 --> 00:13:26,990 And I sort of connected the dots 258 00:13:27,010 --> 00:13:28,958 that A.B. was having affairs. 259 00:13:30,792 --> 00:13:33,865 That was the first sign that I remember 260 00:13:33,885 --> 00:13:36,938 that they were having marital problems. 261 00:13:36,958 --> 00:13:40,458 I knew of A.B. Schirmer's three or four affairs 262 00:13:41,542 --> 00:13:43,542 that he had when he was married to my sister. 263 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,000 A leopard doesn't change their spots. 264 00:13:57,125 --> 00:13:59,761 For, it seemed like weeks, I was doggedly, 265 00:13:59,781 --> 00:14:02,417 bothering just about everybody I could 266 00:14:02,437 --> 00:14:04,022 to get that heart back, 267 00:14:04,042 --> 00:14:06,583 'cause I wanted to examine that heart to see 268 00:14:06,603 --> 00:14:08,333 if in fact Jewel had a heart attack. 269 00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:15,272 We were able to get pieces of the heart back. 270 00:14:15,292 --> 00:14:19,042 The organ donation team did have at least the muscle part. 271 00:14:19,062 --> 00:14:21,083 I was able to get those microscopic slides 272 00:14:21,103 --> 00:14:22,772 with the muscle tissue, 273 00:14:22,792 --> 00:14:24,833 and examine 'em under a microscope. 274 00:14:26,917 --> 00:14:30,542 At the hospital when they did those laboratory values, 275 00:14:30,562 --> 00:14:33,522 there was one cardiac enzyme, 276 00:14:33,542 --> 00:14:38,583 which is sort of a protein that leaks out of the heart. 277 00:14:38,603 --> 00:14:40,062 When the heart gets damaged, 278 00:14:40,082 --> 00:14:41,522 it gets released into the blood, 279 00:14:41,542 --> 00:14:44,958 and we can measure those, enzymes in the blood. 280 00:14:45,875 --> 00:14:47,397 So, what does that mean? 281 00:14:47,417 --> 00:14:52,042 The police report points out that these elevated enzymes, 282 00:14:52,062 --> 00:14:55,000 they believe were due to a heart attack. 283 00:14:56,125 --> 00:14:59,261 What the police were ultimately unaware 284 00:14:59,281 --> 00:15:02,417 of was the fact that a heart attack, CPR, 285 00:15:02,437 --> 00:15:04,542 or even traumatic injuries will lead 286 00:15:04,562 --> 00:15:06,375 to trauma to the heart, 287 00:15:06,395 --> 00:15:08,187 which can cause the enzyme 288 00:15:08,207 --> 00:15:09,980 to be released in the blood. 289 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,042 Anytime you get less oxygen to the heart, 290 00:15:13,062 --> 00:15:15,188 it tends to get crippled. 291 00:15:15,208 --> 00:15:17,333 But that doesn't mean it's a heart attack. 292 00:15:18,625 --> 00:15:21,625 The body tells us there is traumatic brain injury. 293 00:15:24,250 --> 00:15:28,708 There are two lacerations over this side of the skull. 294 00:15:28,728 --> 00:15:31,875 There's also a laceration to the back. 295 00:15:31,895 --> 00:15:32,980 There's a tear back here, 296 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,208 and there was a scrape and abrasion 297 00:15:35,228 --> 00:15:37,063 around the back of that area. 298 00:15:37,083 --> 00:15:41,448 So, there were actually three significant areas of trauma, 299 00:15:41,468 --> 00:15:45,203 three tears, three lacerations that Jewel Schirmer had. 300 00:15:45,223 --> 00:15:48,958 But you'll notice there's nothing to the top of the head. 301 00:15:48,978 --> 00:15:51,604 So, obviously if she's falling down face first we 302 00:15:51,624 --> 00:15:54,250 would expect it to be to the top of the head. 303 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,958 I am trying to determine are these lacerations due 304 00:15:58,978 --> 00:16:01,458 to someone striking her with an object, 305 00:16:01,478 --> 00:16:02,583 or is it due to a fall? 306 00:16:03,958 --> 00:16:05,760 One of the things we were looking for 307 00:16:05,780 --> 00:16:07,563 is what we refer to as a postural reflex. 308 00:16:07,583 --> 00:16:10,365 So if she had fallen down that flight of steps, 309 00:16:10,385 --> 00:16:13,147 her arms would've gone out in front of her, 310 00:16:13,167 --> 00:16:17,083 and she would've impacted those hands on the ground. 311 00:16:18,125 --> 00:16:19,522 Frequently they'll get broken wrists, 312 00:16:19,542 --> 00:16:21,958 they'll get bruises on the palm of their hands, 313 00:16:21,978 --> 00:16:23,855 get bruises up and down the forearms, 314 00:16:23,875 --> 00:16:26,917 and then after that you get what we call a head strike. 315 00:16:26,937 --> 00:16:29,125 You get a strike to the lips, you get bruises, 316 00:16:29,145 --> 00:16:31,437 you get a laceration of the chin 317 00:16:31,457 --> 00:16:33,750 or breaks, you know, in the teeth. 318 00:16:33,770 --> 00:16:35,522 These sort of things. 319 00:16:35,542 --> 00:16:37,990 And those sort of things were notably absent, 320 00:16:38,010 --> 00:16:40,438 and I would expect us to see those things 321 00:16:40,458 --> 00:16:42,542 had she fallen head first down the flight of steps. 322 00:16:44,542 --> 00:16:46,083 There's no neck fracture, 323 00:16:46,750 --> 00:16:49,386 there's no rib fractures, 324 00:16:49,406 --> 00:16:52,026 there's no spine fracture, 325 00:16:52,046 --> 00:16:54,721 there's no pelvis fracture, 326 00:16:54,741 --> 00:16:57,417 no arm or leg fractures. 327 00:16:57,437 --> 00:16:58,458 That's odd. 328 00:17:00,542 --> 00:17:02,292 I looked at the injuries to the back 329 00:17:02,312 --> 00:17:05,022 of the head of Jewel Schirmer, 330 00:17:05,042 --> 00:17:08,625 and I determined that those lacerations were due 331 00:17:08,645 --> 00:17:11,980 to impact with a long cylindrical object 332 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,333 such as a crowbar or something along that line. 333 00:17:16,167 --> 00:17:17,438 I relayed that information 334 00:17:17,458 --> 00:17:19,677 to the district attorney's office, 335 00:17:19,697 --> 00:17:21,917 told them in no uncertain terms, 336 00:17:21,937 --> 00:17:23,375 Jewel's cause of death was 337 00:17:23,395 --> 00:17:24,833 a traumatic brain injury. 338 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,156 This case needs to be 339 00:17:26,176 --> 00:17:27,333 pursued as a homicide. 340 00:17:32,833 --> 00:17:34,092 (intense music) 341 00:17:37,917 --> 00:17:42,125 Cause of death is what led to a death of an individual. 342 00:17:43,542 --> 00:17:46,083 But the manner of death deals with the circumstances 343 00:17:46,103 --> 00:17:47,666 surrounding that person's death. 344 00:17:47,686 --> 00:17:49,230 In the case of Jewel Schirmer, 345 00:17:49,250 --> 00:17:52,375 I had to rule it ultimately as undetermined. 346 00:17:53,292 --> 00:17:56,355 And the reason why I did that 347 00:17:56,375 --> 00:17:58,688 is because there was a lot of things 348 00:17:58,708 --> 00:18:01,355 that were not done in this particular case. 349 00:18:01,375 --> 00:18:04,417 Number one, there needed to be a crime scene reconstruction. 350 00:18:04,437 --> 00:18:07,208 Number two, there needed to be a bloodstain analysis. 351 00:18:07,228 --> 00:18:10,917 Three, there needed to be extensive interviews 352 00:18:10,937 --> 00:18:12,980 of the husband in this case, 353 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,208 and none of those things were done. 354 00:18:15,228 --> 00:18:17,333 So, I was pretty much stuck. 355 00:18:17,353 --> 00:18:19,417 I hit a huge roadblock. 356 00:18:26,792 --> 00:18:28,188 Listen, accidents happen. 357 00:18:28,208 --> 00:18:30,375 So, it is also very realistic to think 358 00:18:30,395 --> 00:18:32,188 that if someone's vacuuming, 359 00:18:32,208 --> 00:18:34,355 and they're right in front of the stairs, 360 00:18:34,375 --> 00:18:37,625 something happens to your heart, you could tumble down. 361 00:18:38,958 --> 00:18:41,272 You also have a pastor, 362 00:18:41,292 --> 00:18:42,688 someone in a position of trust, 363 00:18:42,708 --> 00:18:45,208 a man that was very well known in the community. 364 00:18:45,228 --> 00:18:46,708 He might have known some of the people 365 00:18:46,728 --> 00:18:48,688 who were investigating this. 366 00:18:48,708 --> 00:18:51,750 If the pastor says that this is what happened, 367 00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:53,333 why would someone question it? 368 00:18:54,542 --> 00:18:57,698 Based on the information received from Arthur Schirmer, 369 00:18:57,718 --> 00:19:00,875 they decided they didn't need to investigate any further, 370 00:19:00,895 --> 00:19:02,083 and they closed the case. 371 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,730 In 2008, I was contacted 372 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:18,417 by the Monroe County District Attorney's office. 373 00:19:18,437 --> 00:19:22,479 And then lo and behold, in that discussion, 374 00:19:22,499 --> 00:19:26,542 I found out that Pastor Schirmer had remarried 375 00:19:26,958 --> 00:19:28,792 after the death of Jewel Schirmer, 376 00:19:28,812 --> 00:19:31,147 and had remarried Betty, 377 00:19:31,167 --> 00:19:33,875 and that Betty Schirmer had died. 378 00:19:36,542 --> 00:19:38,792 You know, it was like getting hit with a ton of bricks. 379 00:19:38,812 --> 00:19:41,522 I'm like, wait a minute, 380 00:19:41,542 --> 00:19:46,042 you are telling me this guy remarries, 381 00:19:46,062 --> 00:19:48,063 his wife's dead? 382 00:19:48,083 --> 00:19:50,625 But that's not the end of the story. 383 00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:59,323 According to Arthur Schirmer, Betty has TMJ. 384 00:19:59,343 --> 00:20:02,417 She suffers from some type of jaw issue. 385 00:20:02,437 --> 00:20:06,980 About 1:50 AM on July 15th, 2008, 386 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,417 he's driving her and rushing her off to the hospital, 387 00:20:10,437 --> 00:20:11,708 because of this jaw pain. 388 00:20:13,208 --> 00:20:15,198 He's traveling down 715. 389 00:20:15,218 --> 00:20:17,188 Going to the hospital. 390 00:20:17,208 --> 00:20:19,958 When a deer suddenly jumps out in the road. 391 00:20:19,978 --> 00:20:22,333 He swerves and strikes a guardrail. 392 00:20:25,667 --> 00:20:28,115 He said, to the responding officers. 393 00:20:28,135 --> 00:20:30,583 that he was doing 55 miles an hour. 394 00:20:32,708 --> 00:20:36,188 She had just removed her seatbelt, 395 00:20:36,208 --> 00:20:38,250 prior to this deer jumping into the road. 396 00:20:40,875 --> 00:20:42,355 She has blunt force trauma. 397 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:44,500 She's bleeding badly from her head. 398 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,750 They treat her first. 399 00:20:45,770 --> 00:20:46,980 They bandage her. 400 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,730 She's extricated from the car, 401 00:20:48,750 --> 00:20:50,875 and immediately taken to the hospital. 402 00:20:50,895 --> 00:20:53,458 (sirens wailing) 403 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,906 Betty was taken by ambulance to the closest hospital, 404 00:21:01,926 --> 00:21:05,833 the Poconos Medical Center, which is a trauma center, 405 00:21:08,750 --> 00:21:10,105 but she was brain dead 406 00:21:10,125 --> 00:21:12,000 and she was taken off of life support. 407 00:21:14,458 --> 00:21:17,042 Betty Schirmer's death was ruled an accident 408 00:21:17,062 --> 00:21:18,625 from a motor vehicle collision. 409 00:21:19,875 --> 00:21:22,042 Based on the information that was provided 410 00:21:22,062 --> 00:21:24,563 to the coroner and the medical staff 411 00:21:24,583 --> 00:21:28,355 about how Betty came to receive her injuries, 412 00:21:28,375 --> 00:21:31,375 there was never an autopsy performed on Betty Schirmer 413 00:21:33,417 --> 00:21:37,250 and she was cremated within 24 hours of her death. 414 00:21:42,375 --> 00:21:44,897 Several months had passed since Betty's death, 415 00:21:44,917 --> 00:21:49,417 and we received a phone call in the detective's office. 416 00:21:49,437 --> 00:21:52,105 I answered it and it was a woman 417 00:21:52,125 --> 00:21:54,844 who was calling pretty much every agency 418 00:21:54,864 --> 00:21:57,563 that she could get to answer the phone 419 00:21:57,583 --> 00:22:01,698 to express her concerns about Arthur Schirmer 420 00:22:01,718 --> 00:22:05,833 and the death of his most recent wife, Betty, 421 00:22:05,853 --> 00:22:09,000 as well as the death of his first wife, 422 00:22:09,020 --> 00:22:11,292 which had occurred back in 1999 423 00:22:11,312 --> 00:22:13,438 in Lebanon County. 424 00:22:13,458 --> 00:22:14,500 She wanted to make sure that there 425 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,855 was a thorough investigation, 426 00:22:16,875 --> 00:22:19,688 because of the other death that had occurred. 427 00:22:19,708 --> 00:22:23,375 And the common denominator to her was Arthur Schirmer. 428 00:22:25,417 --> 00:22:26,897 The officers were talking about how this 429 00:22:26,917 --> 00:22:29,625 was the second wife that the reverend had lost. 430 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:33,708 I remember making the comment, "Well, that's strange, 431 00:22:33,728 --> 00:22:35,855 somebody losing two wives." 432 00:22:35,875 --> 00:22:38,375 There were people in the church who did come forward 433 00:22:38,395 --> 00:22:41,480 and express that they had concerns. 434 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,958 We found out the reverend was having an affair 435 00:22:43,978 --> 00:22:45,083 with his secretary. 436 00:22:46,333 --> 00:22:47,855 Everyone started to wonder, wow, 437 00:22:47,875 --> 00:22:50,708 this guy's not who they thought he was. 438 00:22:51,542 --> 00:22:54,147 Based on those phone calls, 439 00:22:54,167 --> 00:22:58,542 my chief here assigned me to open the crash investigation 440 00:22:58,562 --> 00:23:00,000 into Betty Schirmer's death. 441 00:23:04,542 --> 00:23:06,563 To help me understand exactly 442 00:23:06,583 --> 00:23:07,855 what happened at the crash scene, 443 00:23:07,875 --> 00:23:10,198 I had to reconstruct the entire accident, 444 00:23:10,218 --> 00:23:12,411 and that involved gathering photographs 445 00:23:12,431 --> 00:23:14,625 and examining photographs of the scene. 446 00:23:15,708 --> 00:23:17,542 And in this case, the blood stain patterns 447 00:23:17,562 --> 00:23:19,000 didn't come from this crash. 448 00:23:21,958 --> 00:23:24,958 This is the photograph that I actually call the smoking gun. 449 00:23:24,978 --> 00:23:28,022 There's blood drops diluted in the seat. 450 00:23:28,042 --> 00:23:32,250 You can actually see it in the shape of a human body, 451 00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:34,541 which is more consistent with loading her 452 00:23:34,561 --> 00:23:36,813 in the car than taking her out of the car. 453 00:23:36,833 --> 00:23:40,542 So that was very obvious that she was bleeding prior 454 00:23:40,562 --> 00:23:43,417 to the crash and being placed in the car, 455 00:23:43,437 --> 00:23:45,000 and seated in her own blood. 456 00:23:45,792 --> 00:23:47,875 She didn't die in that crash. 457 00:23:47,895 --> 00:23:49,230 He sat in his car, 458 00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:52,708 and he let her bleed out. 459 00:24:08,667 --> 00:24:12,042 It takes a wonderful person, an amazing person 460 00:24:12,062 --> 00:24:13,980 to teach Sunday school. 461 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,792 And Betty was a Sunday school teacher, and she loved that. 462 00:24:19,833 --> 00:24:23,635 She just had so much of a light in her. 463 00:24:23,655 --> 00:24:27,458 The light of Jesus was shining out of her. 464 00:24:27,478 --> 00:24:28,542 And I loved her. 465 00:24:30,917 --> 00:24:34,375 Betty and A.B. Schirmer had a great relationship. 466 00:24:34,395 --> 00:24:35,792 They loved each other. 467 00:24:37,792 --> 00:24:40,125 And I did go do several of his services. 468 00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:41,938 He was very charismatic. 469 00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:45,000 He would make the congregation laugh and lighthearted. 470 00:24:45,020 --> 00:24:46,730 It was a fun service. 471 00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:50,083 He made it fun, and so everyone loved him. 472 00:24:53,042 --> 00:24:56,375 I called Pastor Schirmer to see how he was doing, 473 00:24:56,395 --> 00:24:58,437 'cause I hadn't heard from him in a while. 474 00:24:58,457 --> 00:25:00,500 So he's like, "Oh yeah, Betty passed away." 475 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,522 I said, "What?" 476 00:25:01,542 --> 00:25:02,688 I was completely shocked. 477 00:25:02,708 --> 00:25:05,375 "What?" I said, "That's horrible." 478 00:25:05,395 --> 00:25:07,167 I was like, "I am so sorry. 479 00:25:07,187 --> 00:25:08,425 Oh my gosh." 480 00:25:13,417 --> 00:25:14,625 Just gimme a second. 481 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:20,000 It's just horrible. 482 00:25:28,167 --> 00:25:31,250 (music intensifying) 483 00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:35,938 One of the first tasks that we undertook 484 00:25:35,958 --> 00:25:39,042 was to do a full scale background investigation 485 00:25:39,062 --> 00:25:40,167 into Arthur Schirmer. 486 00:25:41,917 --> 00:25:46,000 We found that he had started his religious career 487 00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:47,688 in the 1970s, 488 00:25:47,708 --> 00:25:51,375 and became a pastor in the Lebanon area 489 00:25:51,395 --> 00:25:53,625 early on in his career. 490 00:25:55,792 --> 00:25:57,563 Arthur married Betty in 2001, 491 00:25:57,583 --> 00:26:00,177 which is just two years after Jewel's death. 492 00:26:00,197 --> 00:26:02,792 And then they moved to the Reeders area. 493 00:26:05,042 --> 00:26:09,208 The congregation of the Reeders United Methodist Church 494 00:26:09,228 --> 00:26:11,125 loved A.B. Schirmer. 495 00:26:12,167 --> 00:26:15,208 But I started to look at the churches 496 00:26:15,228 --> 00:26:16,730 that he worked at, 497 00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:19,177 and we got some disturbing information 498 00:26:19,197 --> 00:26:21,625 from those churches that Mr. Schirmer, 499 00:26:21,645 --> 00:26:22,980 everywhere he went, 500 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,875 he had some type of flirting complaints 501 00:26:25,895 --> 00:26:28,167 or sexual harassment complaints. 502 00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:31,688 He was very charismatic. 503 00:26:31,708 --> 00:26:35,042 He really was able to talk his way out of any kind 504 00:26:35,062 --> 00:26:37,667 of situation that he got himself in. 505 00:26:39,708 --> 00:26:42,198 Instead of removing him from that position, 506 00:26:42,218 --> 00:26:44,708 they just moved him to another location. 507 00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:48,031 Every rock I moved, every stone I turned, 508 00:26:48,051 --> 00:26:50,333 the reverend was shadier and shadier. 509 00:26:52,167 --> 00:26:56,750 I was reading the reports from Jewel's death investigation. 510 00:26:56,770 --> 00:27:00,480 I realized that John Bahney was the motive 511 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,583 behind involving the police to investigate Jewel's death. 512 00:27:04,603 --> 00:27:06,063 And I reached out to him, 513 00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:08,583 and the things he told me were very concerning. 514 00:27:09,708 --> 00:27:12,594 I learned that Reverend Schirmer 515 00:27:12,614 --> 00:27:14,922 was having affairs on his sister, 516 00:27:14,942 --> 00:27:17,250 and they had a troubled relationship. 517 00:27:20,208 --> 00:27:22,875 I received a phone call in November of 2008 518 00:27:22,895 --> 00:27:24,188 from Detective Wagner, 519 00:27:24,208 --> 00:27:25,855 and he wanted to talk to me, 520 00:27:25,875 --> 00:27:28,667 and I'm thinking, what does he want to talk to me about? 521 00:27:28,687 --> 00:27:29,897 When it hit me, 522 00:27:29,917 --> 00:27:31,375 they're investigating Betty's death, 523 00:27:31,395 --> 00:27:33,897 because he did it again, 524 00:27:33,917 --> 00:27:35,875 and they started connecting the dots. 525 00:27:43,042 --> 00:27:44,688 (ominous music) 526 00:27:44,708 --> 00:27:47,750 There was concerns about the car accident. 527 00:27:49,042 --> 00:27:53,625 The damage to the car didn't seem to fit the gravity 528 00:27:53,645 --> 00:27:56,771 of the injuries that Betty Schirmer sustained, 529 00:27:56,791 --> 00:27:59,917 and Arthur Schirmer wasn't injured at all. 530 00:28:00,958 --> 00:28:03,022 It was important that we be able 531 00:28:03,042 --> 00:28:06,708 to show that accidents don't happen like this, 532 00:28:06,728 --> 00:28:08,833 but there's also what we don't have. 533 00:28:08,853 --> 00:28:09,897 What's missing? 534 00:28:09,917 --> 00:28:13,115 Could the injuries have been caused 535 00:28:13,135 --> 00:28:16,333 by Betty striking something in the car? 536 00:28:31,958 --> 00:28:35,147 and they were interested in 537 00:28:35,167 --> 00:28:38,875 if we could perform certain verification tasks 538 00:28:38,895 --> 00:28:43,167 for a crash case where somebody died. 539 00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:47,240 First, we were told the assumed speed 540 00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:50,161 of the crash, 50 or 55 mile per hour. 541 00:28:50,181 --> 00:28:53,083 So, we ran many stages of the analysis, 542 00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:57,230 and this analysis was basically 543 00:28:57,250 --> 00:29:01,438 repeating the simulated crash many times 544 00:29:01,458 --> 00:29:05,917 with increasingly lower and lower and lower and lower speeds 545 00:29:05,937 --> 00:29:08,625 until the outcome was matching what 546 00:29:08,645 --> 00:29:11,333 was observed in the actual crash scene. 547 00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:16,708 He ended up around 18 mile per hour. 548 00:29:22,083 --> 00:29:25,469 So, I believe that it was an intentional crash 549 00:29:25,489 --> 00:29:28,630 performed at a low speed for hiding the fact 550 00:29:28,650 --> 00:29:31,792 that the victim was actually attacked prior 551 00:29:31,812 --> 00:29:33,355 to the accident, 552 00:29:33,375 --> 00:29:37,875 and it was staged to justify the injuries to the victim. 553 00:29:43,792 --> 00:29:45,855 One of the obstacles we had 554 00:29:45,875 --> 00:29:50,219 was the fact that Betty Schirmer was not autopsied. 555 00:29:50,239 --> 00:29:54,563 But we were able to send CT scans that were done 556 00:29:54,583 --> 00:29:58,958 when Betty was brought into Lehigh Valley Medical Center 557 00:29:58,978 --> 00:30:00,167 at Cedar Crest. 558 00:30:01,292 --> 00:30:03,302 Dr. Ross and the forensic pathologist 559 00:30:03,322 --> 00:30:05,313 takes Betty Schirmer's medical records 560 00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:08,875 and compares them to the autopsy of Jewel Schirmer, 561 00:30:10,167 --> 00:30:15,042 and finds evidence that blows the case wide open for us. 562 00:30:20,292 --> 00:30:21,897 (intense music) 563 00:30:21,917 --> 00:30:24,875 As they say, the story continues and the story deepens. 564 00:30:24,895 --> 00:30:27,833 The Monroe County District Attorney's office 565 00:30:27,853 --> 00:30:29,272 asked me to get involved 566 00:30:29,292 --> 00:30:31,708 and look at Betty Schirmer's case in more detail, 567 00:30:31,728 --> 00:30:32,758 so I did, 568 00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:37,772 but we hit another huge roadblock. 569 00:30:37,792 --> 00:30:40,344 The coroner got involved when she expired, 570 00:30:40,364 --> 00:30:42,917 took a couple pictures, made some phone calls, 571 00:30:42,937 --> 00:30:44,000 determined it was 572 00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:45,063 a traffic accident, 573 00:30:45,083 --> 00:30:46,573 and they didn't even really 574 00:30:46,593 --> 00:30:48,083 do an external examination. 575 00:30:49,583 --> 00:30:52,167 Typically speaking, you're supposed to take everything off, 576 00:30:52,187 --> 00:30:54,917 photograph everything, document everything. 577 00:30:54,937 --> 00:30:55,958 It never happened. 578 00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:02,677 Not only that, within days of her death, 579 00:31:02,697 --> 00:31:06,250 Pastor Schirmer had Betty Schirmer cremated. 580 00:31:06,270 --> 00:31:08,208 The body was completely gone. 581 00:31:09,542 --> 00:31:12,417 But in this case we were able to take that CAT scan, 582 00:31:12,437 --> 00:31:13,688 and do what's called a 583 00:31:13,708 --> 00:31:16,583 three-dimensional reconstruction, 584 00:31:16,603 --> 00:31:18,188 and they reconstructed, 585 00:31:18,208 --> 00:31:21,052 and created images of Betty's head. 586 00:31:21,072 --> 00:31:23,917 And lo and behold, when we did that, 587 00:31:23,937 --> 00:31:25,855 we're able to examine the scalp, 588 00:31:25,875 --> 00:31:29,000 and I noticed that there were two lacerations 589 00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:30,500 over the right side of the head. 590 00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:36,500 In Jewel Schirmer, we have two lacerations 591 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,125 to the right side of the head, 592 00:31:38,145 --> 00:31:39,750 and one to the back of the head. 593 00:31:39,770 --> 00:31:41,375 They were very similar, 594 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,125 and that was sort of the connecting point. 595 00:31:46,750 --> 00:31:48,250 We have two deaths, 596 00:31:48,270 --> 00:31:49,375 two wives, 597 00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:52,522 same husband, 598 00:31:52,542 --> 00:31:55,292 and both from a similar object. 599 00:31:57,042 --> 00:32:00,355 I have pure scientific evidence showing 600 00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:05,333 that I have a reproducibility of the same mechanism 601 00:32:06,292 --> 00:32:08,625 that caused the injuries to Jewel Schirmer 602 00:32:08,645 --> 00:32:09,875 to Betty Schirmer. 603 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,397 After my conversation with Dr. Wayne Ross, 604 00:32:16,417 --> 00:32:19,125 I was convinced that I had two murders on my hands. 605 00:32:28,125 --> 00:32:30,833 Betty Schirmer's death was ruled an accident 606 00:32:30,853 --> 00:32:32,417 from a motor vehicle collision. 607 00:32:34,875 --> 00:32:36,958 We had to go back and get the manner of death 608 00:32:36,978 --> 00:32:39,333 changed from accident to homicide. 609 00:32:42,542 --> 00:32:45,417 And the information that I got in Jewel's case 610 00:32:45,437 --> 00:32:47,792 prompted me to contact the authorities 611 00:32:47,812 --> 00:32:50,167 in Lebanon to reopen that investigation. 612 00:32:53,875 --> 00:32:55,147 The detective told me, he said, 613 00:32:55,167 --> 00:32:56,917 "I don't think your sister had a heart attack 614 00:32:56,937 --> 00:32:58,855 and fell down the steps." 615 00:32:58,875 --> 00:33:02,105 And I basically said, "Yeah, no kidding." 616 00:33:02,125 --> 00:33:05,083 I said, "What's going on up in Monroe County?" 617 00:33:06,917 --> 00:33:08,292 And all the detective would tell me, he said, 618 00:33:08,312 --> 00:33:11,397 "I think A.B. Schirmer's life 619 00:33:11,417 --> 00:33:14,333 is gonna get very complicated very shortly." 620 00:33:29,083 --> 00:33:31,052 The Lebanon County District Attorney's office 621 00:33:31,072 --> 00:33:33,276 really wanted to know about Jewel Schirmer, 622 00:33:33,296 --> 00:33:35,500 'cause everybody was in the dark about that. 623 00:33:37,083 --> 00:33:39,583 There were various aspects of this case that upset me. 624 00:33:39,603 --> 00:33:41,625 Why didn't we resolve these things earlier? 625 00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:45,156 We want the right answers. 626 00:33:45,176 --> 00:33:47,125 We want to get justice. 627 00:33:55,583 --> 00:33:59,500 Sometimes you gotta have a forehead of flint, 628 00:34:00,292 --> 00:34:02,313 you just gotta hang in there, 629 00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:05,147 because that is the right thing to do. 630 00:34:05,167 --> 00:34:08,136 And if you're going to change the manner of death, 631 00:34:08,156 --> 00:34:11,125 you better have the physical evidence to back it up. 632 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,083 And I'm thinking, let's reconstruct this scene 633 00:34:15,103 --> 00:34:16,480 and find out if in fact, 634 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,542 Mr. Schirmer's telling the truth or not. 635 00:34:20,042 --> 00:34:23,240 The idea of tossing dummies down a flight of steps 636 00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:26,458 was my way of doing the crime scene reconstruction 637 00:34:26,478 --> 00:34:29,167 that I wanted to do back in 1999. 638 00:34:31,708 --> 00:34:34,250 We went back out to the original crime scene 639 00:34:34,270 --> 00:34:35,897 where Jewel Schirmer had died, 640 00:34:35,917 --> 00:34:38,719 and we had a series of six dummies 641 00:34:38,739 --> 00:34:42,234 that were also chalked up with chalk. 642 00:34:42,254 --> 00:34:45,750 When the head or the body hits, right? 643 00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:48,355 The chalk gets wiped off. 644 00:34:48,375 --> 00:34:50,542 And that tells us there's an impact there. 645 00:34:52,292 --> 00:34:56,292 We analyze that impact in the context 646 00:34:56,312 --> 00:34:59,147 of the injuries to her head. 647 00:34:59,167 --> 00:35:02,188 We look to see if it lines up at all. 648 00:35:02,208 --> 00:35:06,875 And as these dummies went down fairly violent, 649 00:35:06,895 --> 00:35:09,125 the head strikes and it stops. 650 00:35:09,145 --> 00:35:10,583 The body keeps going. 651 00:35:11,292 --> 00:35:12,907 And as that body keeps going, 652 00:35:12,927 --> 00:35:14,522 you got the neck in between, 653 00:35:14,542 --> 00:35:17,708 that thing's going to is gonna kink and break. 654 00:35:20,083 --> 00:35:23,208 Jewel Schirmer never had a neck injury, 655 00:35:24,083 --> 00:35:26,010 never had a rib fracture, 656 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:28,005 never had a spinal fracture, 657 00:35:28,025 --> 00:35:29,980 never had a pelvic fracture. 658 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,594 We had physical evidence, physical proof. 659 00:35:32,614 --> 00:35:35,208 She did not fall down that flight of steps. 660 00:35:35,228 --> 00:35:37,250 You look at the rest of the evidence, 661 00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:39,375 and it's obvious, it's staged. 662 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:43,730 So, I amended my report. 663 00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:47,583 Coroner reissued a death certificate for Jewel Schirmer, 664 00:35:48,708 --> 00:35:51,375 saying that the manner of death was a homicide. 665 00:35:54,708 --> 00:35:58,625 And that kept the ball rolling in this particular case. 666 00:36:12,875 --> 00:36:16,583 Once it was ruled out that Betty Schirmer's injuries 667 00:36:16,603 --> 00:36:19,333 were sustained in the car accident, 668 00:36:19,353 --> 00:36:22,063 we took the next steps to determine 669 00:36:22,083 --> 00:36:25,167 where did these injuries occur, what location? 670 00:36:25,187 --> 00:36:26,605 It made most sense to us that 671 00:36:26,625 --> 00:36:28,855 that would've occurred at the parsonage 672 00:36:28,875 --> 00:36:32,292 where Betty and A.B. had lived during their marriage. 673 00:36:34,833 --> 00:36:38,208 Mr. Schirmer, he doesn't know that we're onto him at all. 674 00:36:38,228 --> 00:36:41,042 He still thinks he got away with this crash. 675 00:36:41,062 --> 00:36:43,188 I needed to go get a search warrant 676 00:36:43,208 --> 00:36:45,542 to locate the actual crime scene at that point. 677 00:36:46,917 --> 00:36:49,542 I wanted the element of surprise when we hit Schirmer. 678 00:36:54,958 --> 00:36:56,792 (intense music) 679 00:36:58,375 --> 00:37:01,083 During my investigation of Betty's crash, 680 00:37:01,103 --> 00:37:03,647 I noticed that there's blood drops 681 00:37:03,667 --> 00:37:06,250 in the seat that are absorbed or diluted, 682 00:37:07,042 --> 00:37:09,458 as if her body was placed in it. 683 00:37:10,833 --> 00:37:13,333 That told me immediately that she was bleeding prior 684 00:37:13,353 --> 00:37:14,897 to getting in that car. 685 00:37:14,917 --> 00:37:17,417 And there was a blood leading event somewhere 686 00:37:17,437 --> 00:37:18,708 that we had to go find. 687 00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:24,417 I had to go and look at where she came from. 688 00:37:24,437 --> 00:37:26,896 I knew they lived in the parsonage. 689 00:37:26,916 --> 00:37:29,375 So, myself and my investigative team, 690 00:37:29,395 --> 00:37:31,605 we are forming a strategy 691 00:37:31,625 --> 00:37:34,708 to execute a search warrant on the parsonage. 692 00:37:38,833 --> 00:37:42,531 I remember when I walked in the garage area, 693 00:37:42,551 --> 00:37:46,250 I could see blood visibly on the concrete 694 00:37:46,270 --> 00:37:49,897 as if he missed it during cleanup. 695 00:37:49,917 --> 00:37:53,636 There's still potentially blood evidence present, 696 00:37:53,656 --> 00:37:57,375 and we utilize the chemical luminol to help enhance 697 00:37:57,395 --> 00:37:59,125 and to help better see that blood 698 00:37:59,145 --> 00:38:00,875 that we can't see with the naked eye. 699 00:38:02,417 --> 00:38:06,875 You can start to see that mysterious blood appear 700 00:38:06,895 --> 00:38:08,092 in the darkness. 701 00:38:08,958 --> 00:38:10,313 Once I find this, 702 00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:12,594 this story tells me that Betty was assaulted 703 00:38:12,614 --> 00:38:14,875 somewhere outside the garage and with some type 704 00:38:14,895 --> 00:38:17,500 of blunt force weapon such as a crowbar. 705 00:38:19,292 --> 00:38:21,208 She's carried and brought by Mr. Schirmer 706 00:38:21,228 --> 00:38:22,563 into the car seat, 707 00:38:22,583 --> 00:38:24,542 and that blood supports all of that. 708 00:38:26,542 --> 00:38:30,958 That was then packaged and sent to the DNA lab. 709 00:38:30,978 --> 00:38:32,188 Once that was processed, 710 00:38:32,208 --> 00:38:34,500 that blood did come back to Betty Schirmer. 711 00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:41,147 [Announcer] Police charged Schirmer Monday 712 00:38:41,167 --> 00:38:43,625 with killing his wife Betty and trying to cover up the crime 713 00:38:43,645 --> 00:38:46,500 with a Reeders car accident in July of 2008. 714 00:38:47,792 --> 00:38:52,292 The trial for A.B. Schirmer commenced in January of 2013. 715 00:38:53,375 --> 00:38:55,938 The prosecution presented a motive. 716 00:38:55,958 --> 00:38:58,750 During the trial, it came out that he was having an affair 717 00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:00,708 with someone that he was counseling. 718 00:39:02,375 --> 00:39:04,375 That's probably why he killed her right away, 719 00:39:04,395 --> 00:39:06,625 'cause she knew about the affair. 720 00:39:06,645 --> 00:39:08,855 He killed her, so, she's gone. 721 00:39:08,875 --> 00:39:10,708 He didn't have to get to the divorce. 722 00:39:13,917 --> 00:39:15,542 [Announcer] Today, prosecutors told the jury, 723 00:39:15,562 --> 00:39:17,583 "Do not believe for a minute Betty 724 00:39:17,603 --> 00:39:18,938 was killed in that crash. 725 00:39:18,958 --> 00:39:22,375 Use your common sense and life experiences." 726 00:39:22,395 --> 00:39:24,522 You have Dr. Wayne Ross, 727 00:39:24,542 --> 00:39:27,438 who clearly is saying that these two women 728 00:39:27,458 --> 00:39:30,583 have both suffered blunt force trauma to the head. 729 00:39:31,958 --> 00:39:33,625 I compared the injuries to Betty Schirmer, 730 00:39:33,645 --> 00:39:35,688 to those of Jewel Schirmer. 731 00:39:35,708 --> 00:39:37,375 [Interviewer] And you've said they're both homicide 732 00:39:37,395 --> 00:39:38,416 in your opinion? 733 00:39:38,436 --> 00:39:39,458 Yes, they are. 734 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:48,688 (intense music) 735 00:39:48,708 --> 00:39:52,656 The testimony lasted into the third week. 736 00:39:52,676 --> 00:39:56,625 The evidence was overwhelming in our favor. 737 00:39:58,875 --> 00:40:01,750 The jury deliberated for a short period of time, 738 00:40:01,770 --> 00:40:03,625 and the verdict was guilty. 739 00:40:05,583 --> 00:40:07,105 In March of 2013, 740 00:40:07,125 --> 00:40:10,167 Reverend Schirmer was sentenced to life in prison 741 00:40:10,187 --> 00:40:11,522 without parole 742 00:40:11,542 --> 00:40:12,875 for Betty Schirmer's death. 743 00:40:17,583 --> 00:40:20,147 My goal was to make sure he died in prison, 744 00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:23,500 so he could never do this again to another woman. 745 00:40:25,917 --> 00:40:27,217 And yeah, I was happy. 746 00:40:31,458 --> 00:40:34,375 Ultimately, when he was convicted, 747 00:40:34,395 --> 00:40:36,188 there was relief. 748 00:40:36,208 --> 00:40:38,177 But even more important than that, 749 00:40:38,197 --> 00:40:40,167 there was justice for the family, 750 00:40:40,187 --> 00:40:41,750 friends, neighbors. 751 00:40:43,042 --> 00:40:45,625 I heard about the vigilance of family members 752 00:40:45,645 --> 00:40:47,605 in the death of Jewel. 753 00:40:47,625 --> 00:40:50,542 They had pushed to get an autopsy done, 754 00:40:50,562 --> 00:40:52,647 and look at what happened. 755 00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:56,417 It took a long time, but I believe we got it right. 756 00:41:14,708 --> 00:41:16,719 When Schirmer killed my sister, 757 00:41:16,739 --> 00:41:18,730 he didn't have a place to bury her. 758 00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:21,625 So, he asked my father if he could have a spot 759 00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:22,958 on our family's plot. 760 00:41:25,542 --> 00:41:27,125 He got a double tombstone, 761 00:41:28,208 --> 00:41:30,323 and he had his name in a heart 762 00:41:30,343 --> 00:41:32,078 and my sister's name in a heart. 763 00:41:32,098 --> 00:41:33,833 And he had the hearts touching. 764 00:41:35,042 --> 00:41:36,133 And 765 00:41:37,375 --> 00:41:41,000 that just drove me nuts every time I saw it. 766 00:41:45,042 --> 00:41:48,917 So, I even told Schirmer at the sentencing hearing 767 00:41:48,937 --> 00:41:52,542 that my sister was gonna get a new tombstone, 768 00:41:52,562 --> 00:41:56,396 and his name wasn't gonna be on it. 769 00:41:56,416 --> 00:42:00,250 And I bought my sister her very nice, 770 00:42:00,270 --> 00:42:01,833 I feel, very nice tombstone. 771 00:42:12,542 --> 00:42:13,875 After he was sentenced, 772 00:42:14,792 --> 00:42:17,083 I went right to the cemetery 773 00:42:17,103 --> 00:42:18,250 to my sister's grave, 774 00:42:19,708 --> 00:42:22,667 and I just said to Jewel, "Well, I hope I did well. 775 00:42:22,687 --> 00:42:24,208 I hope you're proud of me. 776 00:42:24,228 --> 00:42:25,750 I did everything I could." 777 00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:30,667 Nothing I was gonna do was gonna bring her back. 778 00:42:30,687 --> 00:42:33,708 But at least the truth finally came out, 779 00:42:33,728 --> 00:42:36,000 and justice was done. 780 00:42:38,792 --> 00:42:41,208 I believe my mom, my dad, and my sister 781 00:42:41,228 --> 00:42:42,467 are in heaven together, 782 00:42:43,875 --> 00:42:44,967 and Schirmer? 783 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,750 I don't think he's gonna make it. 60119

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