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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,003 --> 00:00:06,307 [recording playing] 2 00:00:18,119 --> 00:00:22,923 This is the story of one of the most evil and dangerous criminals 3 00:00:22,956 --> 00:00:24,958 I have ever prosecuted because 4 00:00:24,992 --> 00:00:28,496 the person does not at first appear to be that way. 5 00:00:28,529 --> 00:00:31,632 He was right there, and nobody knew. 6 00:00:31,665 --> 00:00:34,968 [man] I heard what I thought was, someone had fired a rifle. 7 00:00:35,002 --> 00:00:36,404 [gunshot] 8 00:00:38,005 --> 00:00:40,040 He took a lot away from us. 9 00:00:40,074 --> 00:00:43,144 Sometimes, I still tell myself it's not real. 10 00:00:43,177 --> 00:00:44,978 That that didn't happen. 11 00:00:45,012 --> 00:00:47,181 I'll never forget what I have seen. 12 00:00:49,183 --> 00:00:51,319 You know, it's just disgusting to think that one man 13 00:00:51,352 --> 00:00:52,520 has that much power to do that. 14 00:00:54,054 --> 00:00:56,657 If he's not a psychopath or a sociopath, 15 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:57,925 we're gonna have to redefine the term. 16 00:01:05,766 --> 00:01:08,236 [instrumental music playing] 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,475 [Amy] I did get married young. 18 00:01:14,508 --> 00:01:16,944 Uh, we met when I was, we were both 21, 19 00:01:16,977 --> 00:01:18,946 and got married when we were 23. 20 00:01:21,449 --> 00:01:23,717 So we still had a couple more years of college left 21 00:01:23,751 --> 00:01:26,720 until we both graduated in 1995. 22 00:01:26,754 --> 00:01:28,856 And then we moved into northwest Arkansas after that. 23 00:01:30,524 --> 00:01:31,792 We went up there so that 24 00:01:31,825 --> 00:01:34,162 my husband could work as a police officer. 25 00:01:34,162 --> 00:01:35,663 [indistinct conversation on radio] 26 00:01:35,696 --> 00:01:38,265 I didn't even get to see Rogers itself 27 00:01:38,299 --> 00:01:39,467 before we moved there. 28 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,835 I had no idea what we were moving to. 29 00:01:41,869 --> 00:01:44,771 So I was having a culture shock. 30 00:01:44,805 --> 00:01:48,908 We had a lot of churches on many corners. 31 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:52,180 And things just sort of shut down on Sundays. 32 00:01:52,180 --> 00:01:55,515 It was pretty much a very conservative, 33 00:01:56,684 --> 00:02:00,921 conventional, quiet sort of place. 34 00:02:02,190 --> 00:02:03,591 In 1997, 35 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:07,261 I was happy being a teacher. 36 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:09,197 I loved my students. 37 00:02:09,229 --> 00:02:11,599 You know, Andrew being a police officer, 38 00:02:11,632 --> 00:02:13,567 and I was a teacher, 39 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:15,469 you know, it just kind of seemed idyllic. 40 00:02:18,572 --> 00:02:19,773 Until that day. 41 00:02:19,807 --> 00:02:23,711 [ominous music playing] 42 00:02:23,744 --> 00:02:26,380 I went to school on that Sunday morning 43 00:02:26,414 --> 00:02:28,115 probably about 9:30 or so, 44 00:02:28,216 --> 00:02:32,052 wearing sweatpants and a t-shirt, 45 00:02:32,085 --> 00:02:33,454 you know, long sleeve shirt. 46 00:02:33,487 --> 00:02:37,225 The classroom that we were using was basically two classrooms 47 00:02:37,225 --> 00:02:39,293 with the wall knocked down in the middle. 48 00:02:39,327 --> 00:02:41,462 So it was a large classroom, had two doors. 49 00:02:42,095 --> 00:02:43,930 Um, I had both doors locked. 50 00:02:43,964 --> 00:02:47,235 I knew people were going to church in the cafeteria, 51 00:02:47,268 --> 00:02:49,803 and I didn't wanna disrupt them. 52 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:52,973 I also didn't wanna invite any disruptions. 53 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:56,977 So, um, you know, I just kind of worked quietly in my locked classroom. 54 00:02:57,010 --> 00:03:01,014 And I guess it was about, I don't know, 10:30 or so. 55 00:03:01,048 --> 00:03:02,550 I had been there a little while. 56 00:03:02,583 --> 00:03:05,619 I hear a rattle of the door handle, 57 00:03:05,653 --> 00:03:08,256 you know, one of the doors of my classroom, 58 00:03:08,256 --> 00:03:11,492 and I waited a few minutes and then I kind of peeked out the door, 59 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:13,994 and I didn't see anybody so I closed the door back. 60 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:15,529 And a little while later, 61 00:03:15,563 --> 00:03:17,265 I decided I needed to go to the restroom, 62 00:03:17,265 --> 00:03:20,401 so I went out one of the classroom doors, 63 00:03:20,434 --> 00:03:22,803 and just probably, 64 00:03:22,836 --> 00:03:26,340 15-20 feet to the corridor, 65 00:03:26,374 --> 00:03:29,142 I turned to go into the teachers' lounge. 66 00:03:29,176 --> 00:03:32,980 Went to the bathroom, and the lounge was... bathrooms were set up in a way 67 00:03:33,013 --> 00:03:34,815 that they were self-contained. 68 00:03:34,848 --> 00:03:39,086 Two self-contained stalls and had a full-on door. 69 00:03:39,119 --> 00:03:44,692 So, when I was coming out of the bathroom, 70 00:03:44,725 --> 00:03:46,527 there he was, with a gun in my face. 71 00:03:48,728 --> 00:03:51,665 Now, he was wearing a ski cap and sunglasses 72 00:03:51,699 --> 00:03:54,067 and so, really, the only facial features 73 00:03:54,101 --> 00:03:56,504 that I could make out was from here down. 74 00:03:56,537 --> 00:03:59,740 So I got a pretty good look at him at the time, 75 00:03:59,773 --> 00:04:03,577 but, you know, the shock of having a gun in your face, 76 00:04:03,611 --> 00:04:07,448 it was very jarring and unsettling. 77 00:04:07,481 --> 00:04:10,083 The guy had a gun. I thought maybe I was gonna die. 78 00:04:10,117 --> 00:04:11,319 All I could think was, 79 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:13,153 I'm just gonna do whatever I need to do 80 00:04:13,186 --> 00:04:15,489 to get out of this situation and go home. 81 00:04:15,523 --> 00:04:18,591 He told me to back up into the bathroom. 82 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:22,796 He had me take off some of my clothes 83 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:27,635 and, uh, was telling me what to do to him. 84 00:04:27,668 --> 00:04:29,970 After that, he decided to take me 85 00:04:30,003 --> 00:04:35,343 to, um, another classroom that was next to the teachers' lounge. 86 00:04:36,344 --> 00:04:42,215 And that's where he continued to rape me. 87 00:04:44,918 --> 00:04:47,154 I just kept thinking this is terrifying. 88 00:04:47,187 --> 00:04:48,389 I'm angry with this guy. 89 00:04:48,422 --> 00:04:51,359 There weren't complete thoughts being created. 90 00:04:51,359 --> 00:04:54,227 It was just sort of a gut, animalistic feeling. 91 00:04:54,261 --> 00:04:57,865 Felt like forever but I'm guessing that probably 92 00:04:57,898 --> 00:05:00,434 it was only a couple of minutes in real time. 93 00:05:00,468 --> 00:05:03,203 He just stood up real quick and said, "Don't go anywhere. 94 00:05:03,236 --> 00:05:05,038 You stay right here. Don't come out until I leave." 95 00:05:05,072 --> 00:05:06,374 I just was in panic. 96 00:05:06,374 --> 00:05:08,642 I thought, "I need to find somebody. I need to get to safety." 97 00:05:08,676 --> 00:05:12,813 I did run across the custodian and all I could say was, 98 00:05:12,846 --> 00:05:15,015 "I need to call the police. I've been attacked." 99 00:05:15,649 --> 00:05:17,618 [recording playing] 100 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:46,447 [operator] Ma'am. Okay. 101 00:05:54,522 --> 00:05:57,791 [Hayes] So it was a Sunday morning. I was at home. 102 00:05:57,825 --> 00:06:00,728 Pager goes off, and it was a 911 page. 103 00:06:00,761 --> 00:06:03,731 You know? Like, "Don't dilly-dally, call me right away." 104 00:06:03,764 --> 00:06:06,834 And it was to the main dispatch line. 105 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:09,670 Called in. I remember exactly the dispatch who I talked to. 106 00:06:09,703 --> 00:06:13,741 She told me Amy Harrison's been raped at the school. 107 00:06:13,774 --> 00:06:15,943 And to respond immediately. 108 00:06:15,976 --> 00:06:17,745 Obviously, I knew who it was. 109 00:06:17,778 --> 00:06:20,614 Because Amy at the time was married to a Rogers police officer. 110 00:06:22,315 --> 00:06:25,453 -[siren wailing] -Got in the car and hauled ass down here. 111 00:06:25,486 --> 00:06:27,187 We did everything we could to try to get, 112 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:29,457 you know, whatever kind of forensic evidence there was. 113 00:06:29,457 --> 00:06:30,591 You know, there was a rug. 114 00:06:30,624 --> 00:06:32,192 It was where one of the assaults had taken place. 115 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:34,562 And we, you know, took the entire rug. 116 00:06:34,595 --> 00:06:36,630 The handrails that went up the stairs, 117 00:06:36,664 --> 00:06:38,566 where he forced her to go 118 00:06:38,599 --> 00:06:39,900 for the second part of the assault. 119 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:41,469 We took the entire handrail. 120 00:06:41,469 --> 00:06:44,472 So we had kind of a two-pronged approach 121 00:06:44,505 --> 00:06:48,576 and in that, you had some detectives, including myself, 122 00:06:48,609 --> 00:06:51,479 who were left to process the crime scene. 123 00:06:55,949 --> 00:06:57,751 [Amy] I had been moved to the hospital. 124 00:06:57,784 --> 00:06:59,787 So that I could get all of the drugs 125 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:02,823 that you have to take after something like this happens. 126 00:07:02,856 --> 00:07:05,392 To prevent accidental pregnancy. 127 00:07:05,493 --> 00:07:07,194 To prevent HIV. 128 00:07:07,227 --> 00:07:11,031 To prevent other sexually transmitted diseases 129 00:07:11,064 --> 00:07:13,200 that they had medications for. 130 00:07:13,233 --> 00:07:16,670 The rape kit. Get my inspection, you know. 131 00:07:16,704 --> 00:07:18,672 All of this happens. 132 00:07:18,706 --> 00:07:20,841 You know, things I hadn't thought about yet. 133 00:07:21,542 --> 00:07:22,510 Here they come. 134 00:07:25,178 --> 00:07:27,014 [recording playing] 135 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:50,270 I tried to pay attention as much as possible 136 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:54,074 to whatever I could about this person. 137 00:07:54,107 --> 00:07:55,943 [recording playing] 138 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:18,866 No idea why he wasn't wearing shoes. 139 00:08:18,899 --> 00:08:20,834 It seemed very odd. 140 00:08:20,868 --> 00:08:23,571 I didn't hear him come in, so maybe, you know, 141 00:08:23,571 --> 00:08:27,107 it was sort of a subversive technique 142 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:29,877 to prevent my awareness of his approach. 143 00:08:30,578 --> 00:08:33,480 But, um, it just seemed weird. 144 00:08:33,581 --> 00:08:35,849 [recording playing] 145 00:08:45,693 --> 00:08:48,461 He had actually asked if I recognized his voice. 146 00:08:48,495 --> 00:08:51,398 Which made me, obviously, really wonder, 147 00:08:51,431 --> 00:08:52,866 you know, did I know this person? 148 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:57,605 But I could not... place him anywhere in my mind. 149 00:08:57,605 --> 00:08:59,272 And it was terrifying. 150 00:09:02,676 --> 00:09:06,046 One of the things that was very evident throughout her statement 151 00:09:06,079 --> 00:09:08,381 was the lengths at which he went 152 00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:11,985 to conceal his identity, not touch things. 153 00:09:12,019 --> 00:09:16,624 And be careful with fluids and other biological evidence 154 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:17,625 that he left behind. 155 00:09:17,658 --> 00:09:19,660 And at one point during the assault, 156 00:09:19,693 --> 00:09:23,496 Amy felt a liquid on her leg. 157 00:09:23,530 --> 00:09:26,133 And just instinctively, I think, probably, 158 00:09:26,166 --> 00:09:30,170 wiped it off with her hand and just wiped it across her shirt. 159 00:09:30,203 --> 00:09:33,006 [Amy] It was not a conscious thing for me to wipe away his semen. 160 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,775 I was definitely disgusted. 161 00:09:34,808 --> 00:09:36,309 I didn't want him on me. 162 00:09:36,343 --> 00:09:39,680 And he immediately says, "What was that? What did you do?" 163 00:09:39,713 --> 00:09:43,283 If she hadn't done that one thing, we never would have gotten his DNA. 164 00:09:46,286 --> 00:09:48,355 As we're discussing theories, 165 00:09:48,388 --> 00:09:50,523 you know, it did come up at the time, 166 00:09:50,557 --> 00:09:53,761 of how would a person like this know 167 00:09:53,794 --> 00:09:56,463 that much about what we did to collect evidence? 168 00:09:58,298 --> 00:10:00,500 They sent it to the state crime lab, 169 00:10:00,668 --> 00:10:03,971 and like they do with all known samples, 170 00:10:04,004 --> 00:10:05,673 they ran it through their CODIS database 171 00:10:05,706 --> 00:10:08,642 to see if there was a match with anyone already in the system. 172 00:10:09,209 --> 00:10:10,310 But no match. 173 00:10:12,012 --> 00:10:13,947 [Amy] I had to kind of temper my hope. 174 00:10:13,981 --> 00:10:16,684 I thought that the chances that 175 00:10:16,717 --> 00:10:20,353 the person would already be in the system 176 00:10:20,387 --> 00:10:24,024 with the DNA profile already was probably low. 177 00:10:24,057 --> 00:10:27,460 Um, when they were gonna be testing people that were 178 00:10:27,494 --> 00:10:29,196 involved in my life, 179 00:10:29,229 --> 00:10:32,565 you know, um, at the school and in the community, 180 00:10:33,266 --> 00:10:34,802 I was hopeful. 181 00:10:34,835 --> 00:10:38,238 Law enforcement, police, they really pushed hard and fast. 182 00:10:38,271 --> 00:10:41,074 And they went wide and they really 183 00:10:41,108 --> 00:10:45,578 were open to any information and testing that information 184 00:10:45,612 --> 00:10:48,949 to see if they could figure out who the guy was. 185 00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:57,257 Amy was able to provide this intense level of detail. 186 00:10:58,625 --> 00:11:03,596 And we had a sketch done with a kit 187 00:11:03,630 --> 00:11:06,767 that had transparent slides in it 188 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,435 of different facial features. 189 00:11:08,468 --> 00:11:10,971 "Amy, is this chin him?" "No." 190 00:11:11,004 --> 00:11:12,740 And you do that for the nose. 191 00:11:12,773 --> 00:11:15,308 And the eyes, the ears, 192 00:11:15,342 --> 00:11:18,411 the forehead, the general shape of the face. 193 00:11:18,445 --> 00:11:21,181 So we had a pretty good description of this guy from Amy, 194 00:11:21,214 --> 00:11:23,450 and then, one of the church-goers that day 195 00:11:23,483 --> 00:11:26,754 told us they witnessed a guy that matched that description, 196 00:11:26,754 --> 00:11:29,790 uh, walking away from the school and leaving in a vehicle. 197 00:11:31,158 --> 00:11:33,626 Which was a blue pick-up truck. 198 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:36,596 We were able to have Little Rock, the headquarters down there, 199 00:11:36,629 --> 00:11:38,832 run a search 200 00:11:38,866 --> 00:11:41,134 for every vehicle registered in Benton County 201 00:11:41,168 --> 00:11:43,203 that matched the criteria 202 00:11:43,236 --> 00:11:45,672 of this possible suspect vehicle. 203 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,540 And then so, late into the night, 204 00:11:48,575 --> 00:11:50,543 we got word 205 00:11:50,577 --> 00:11:53,680 that one of the detective pairs 206 00:11:53,781 --> 00:11:56,016 had located the vehicle, the blue pick-up. 207 00:12:07,795 --> 00:12:10,297 [Hayes] They found the vehicle north of town. 208 00:12:10,330 --> 00:12:13,433 It was parked at a residence and the owner was home. 209 00:12:13,466 --> 00:12:15,803 So detectives were able to talk with him. 210 00:12:15,803 --> 00:12:20,040 And it was very obvious and very clear 211 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:22,542 that the man 212 00:12:22,575 --> 00:12:24,812 who owned that vehicle, was driving that vehicle, 213 00:12:24,812 --> 00:12:26,479 uh, was not the suspect. 214 00:12:26,513 --> 00:12:28,381 He was an older man. 215 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:33,887 Um, way beyond the age of the range given, you know, for the suspect. 216 00:12:33,921 --> 00:12:38,091 So we were able to rule out any connection to the crime right away. 217 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:40,593 So it kind of, you know, it sucked the wind out of your sails a little bit, 218 00:12:40,627 --> 00:12:43,831 'cause you think you have a, you know, a solid lead, 219 00:12:43,831 --> 00:12:46,299 and then, uh, we find it, and it, 220 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:49,036 it kind of washed out and didn't work, so. 221 00:12:50,971 --> 00:12:54,842 You know, that's the way things just kind of went for the next several leads. 222 00:13:07,354 --> 00:13:09,556 [Amy] I couldn't even say the word 'rape'. 223 00:13:09,589 --> 00:13:12,025 I couldn't say the word 'rape' for a long time. 224 00:13:12,059 --> 00:13:13,660 You hear about a woman being raped, 225 00:13:13,693 --> 00:13:15,428 and you think, "Oh, that's just so awful." 226 00:13:15,462 --> 00:13:17,397 "Poor thing. How is she gonna get over this?" 227 00:13:18,866 --> 00:13:21,168 And I didn't wanna be that person. 228 00:13:21,201 --> 00:13:24,771 The fact that it had happened to me was bad enough. 229 00:13:24,872 --> 00:13:29,076 But then, to communicate in a single word, 230 00:13:29,709 --> 00:13:31,144 what had happened to me, 231 00:13:31,544 --> 00:13:32,412 to someone else, 232 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,747 was very real. 233 00:13:34,781 --> 00:13:39,652 And, um, you know, comes with a whole basket load of emotions. 234 00:13:49,262 --> 00:13:53,366 [Judy] It's almost as though those times are blank. 235 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,638 There was shock and everyone was so upset and disturbed. 236 00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:05,378 [Amy] When my husband found out what happened to me, 237 00:14:05,412 --> 00:14:08,681 he was really angry and hurt. 238 00:14:08,715 --> 00:14:10,383 And being a police officer, 239 00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:11,985 how frustrating, you know? 240 00:14:12,019 --> 00:14:15,555 He's the guy that helps to solve the crime. 241 00:14:15,588 --> 00:14:17,790 That locks the bad guy up. 242 00:14:17,824 --> 00:14:19,526 And it's his own wife. 243 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:24,297 You almost can't avoid having 244 00:14:24,331 --> 00:14:26,333 this event having an emotional impact. 245 00:14:26,934 --> 00:14:29,302 Uh, sexual impact. 246 00:14:29,336 --> 00:14:33,506 That was, for both of us, the kiss of death on our marriage. 247 00:14:39,612 --> 00:14:42,983 You know, I mean, sometimes, I just needed a hug. 248 00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:46,053 Sometimes, I... [sniffles] just needed space. 249 00:14:46,086 --> 00:14:48,956 Sometimes I needed to just scream in a pillow 250 00:14:48,956 --> 00:14:51,724 and beat something up with a bat. 251 00:14:51,758 --> 00:14:54,494 But, you know, reality is, 252 00:14:54,527 --> 00:14:58,265 I can only stay gone from teaching for so long 253 00:14:58,298 --> 00:14:59,967 before I had to get back to work. 254 00:14:59,967 --> 00:15:02,002 I had students to deal with, 255 00:15:02,035 --> 00:15:04,271 you know, some of whom had, 256 00:15:04,304 --> 00:15:06,773 if not outright knowledge, 257 00:15:06,806 --> 00:15:11,211 some idea that I had been through something that was bad. 258 00:15:17,817 --> 00:15:21,989 They tested hundreds of people. 259 00:15:21,989 --> 00:15:24,191 And things just weren't coming back. 260 00:15:24,224 --> 00:15:25,792 There was no match. 261 00:15:25,825 --> 00:15:30,530 As time went on, I... really had to come to terms 262 00:15:30,563 --> 00:15:32,199 with the fact that my case 263 00:15:32,232 --> 00:15:34,001 might be one that was never solved. 264 00:15:44,011 --> 00:15:46,379 [Hayes] Weren't, you know, a lot of leads coming in. 265 00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:50,017 You know, it felt like the case was worked 266 00:15:50,017 --> 00:15:52,319 to the level that we could at the time. 267 00:15:54,587 --> 00:15:56,689 You know, this case happened in 1997, right? 268 00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:59,026 And the laws of the state were very different then. 269 00:15:59,026 --> 00:16:02,129 And there's something called a statute of limitations. 270 00:16:02,162 --> 00:16:04,031 And basically what that means is that 271 00:16:04,064 --> 00:16:06,366 after a certain length of time, 272 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,735 that case can no longer be prosecuted, okay? 273 00:16:08,768 --> 00:16:11,404 And it starts when law enforcement finds out about the case, right? 274 00:16:11,438 --> 00:16:14,641 So, on the day that this happened, the clock starts ticking for us, 275 00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:17,310 and rape in Arkansas is a Class Y felony, 276 00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:20,047 and in 1997, 277 00:16:20,047 --> 00:16:22,915 there was a law in the books that said 278 00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:26,753 all Class Y felonies have a statute of limitations of six years. 279 00:16:26,786 --> 00:16:28,821 Meaning that in six years, 280 00:16:28,855 --> 00:16:31,291 if we did not bring this case to a closure, 281 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:34,594 or have an active warrant for the suspect, 282 00:16:34,627 --> 00:16:37,664 then we could not prosecute him, even if we found out who it was. 283 00:16:39,532 --> 00:16:41,068 I thought there was no way 284 00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:44,304 that this guy wasn't out there hurting other people. 285 00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:46,339 And as time went on, 286 00:16:46,373 --> 00:16:51,078 and DNA collection continued to be a developing thing, 287 00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:53,080 and the technology was developing 288 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,282 and getting better and better and more specific, 289 00:16:55,315 --> 00:16:57,784 I was very surprised that things weren't coming up. 290 00:16:57,817 --> 00:17:01,588 Either this guy was really good and just wouldn't get caught, 291 00:17:01,621 --> 00:17:05,157 or this was some sort of anomaly, 292 00:17:05,192 --> 00:17:07,194 and I was just out of luck. 293 00:17:07,227 --> 00:17:08,694 Never gonna know. 294 00:17:15,402 --> 00:17:18,105 Fast forward to 2003. 295 00:17:18,105 --> 00:17:20,406 You know, there was a lot of talk 296 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,443 about that statute of limitations running on us 297 00:17:23,476 --> 00:17:26,779 in November of that year, and what are we gonna do about it? 298 00:17:26,813 --> 00:17:29,882 And, uh, about that same time, 299 00:17:29,916 --> 00:17:34,687 Wisconsin kind of pioneered what's called a John Doe DNA warrant. 300 00:17:34,721 --> 00:17:37,290 And the premise of it is, is that, 301 00:17:37,324 --> 00:17:39,226 you know, in a case like Amy's, you know, 302 00:17:39,259 --> 00:17:42,729 the sexual assault happens and you have biological evidence 303 00:17:42,762 --> 00:17:44,697 that can be basically be narrowed down 304 00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:46,533 to one human being on the planet, right? 305 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,034 Through DNA testing. 306 00:17:48,135 --> 00:17:52,205 That that is enough to identify that person as a suspect 307 00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:55,542 and you could then issue a warrant 308 00:17:55,575 --> 00:17:59,045 for a person with the matching DNA of, you know, 309 00:17:59,146 --> 00:18:00,580 put the sequence out there 310 00:18:00,613 --> 00:18:02,482 on the actual warrant. 311 00:18:02,515 --> 00:18:06,386 And therefore, you stop the statute of limitations. 312 00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:08,155 As time went on, 313 00:18:08,188 --> 00:18:13,493 that that DNA sample would still be a viable comparison, 314 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:15,662 should they be able to find somebody. 315 00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:18,165 [Hayes] You know, I typed it out. 316 00:18:18,198 --> 00:18:20,700 Prosecuting attorney's office approved it. 317 00:18:20,733 --> 00:18:24,504 And we go to the judge, and uh, he signed it, 318 00:18:24,537 --> 00:18:28,375 which gave us then an active arrest warrant. 319 00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:32,179 We just had to figure out who it was that had that DNA. 320 00:18:44,924 --> 00:18:47,827 [Andrew] Gateway is in northeast Benton County. 321 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:49,962 We're probably one and a half miles from the Missouri line. 322 00:18:51,764 --> 00:18:53,533 Still shoot your guns in the city limits. 323 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:56,436 But it's quiet. 324 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:11,518 This is, uh, the Mayor's office. 325 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:13,653 [producer] Who's the Mayor? 326 00:19:13,686 --> 00:19:14,821 That should be me. 327 00:19:14,854 --> 00:19:17,224 Gateway, 15 years ago, 328 00:19:17,224 --> 00:19:18,658 we never locked anything. 329 00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:21,027 Violent crime was almost non-existent. 330 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:24,597 Unless it's somebody from somewhere else. 331 00:19:24,631 --> 00:19:26,999 The town has only had one police officer 332 00:19:27,033 --> 00:19:28,701 probably since its existence. 333 00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:43,683 This is Grant. This is his senior picture in high school. 334 00:19:45,318 --> 00:19:48,588 He graduated in '86. 335 00:19:50,056 --> 00:19:53,059 That's when he made constable. 336 00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:57,630 And got his flag and his badges. 337 00:19:57,664 --> 00:20:02,068 He was very proud of what he did and accomplished. 338 00:20:02,101 --> 00:20:06,038 That was our church pictures. 339 00:20:06,072 --> 00:20:11,210 Yes, that was taken about, oh, six or seven years ago. 340 00:20:12,512 --> 00:20:16,416 I felt like Grant was my soulmate. 341 00:20:16,449 --> 00:20:19,386 We went to church every Sunday. 342 00:20:20,019 --> 00:20:22,689 He was a gentleman. 343 00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,091 He has been a policeman 344 00:20:25,124 --> 00:20:27,226 ever since I met him. 345 00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:30,263 He was the chief of police. 346 00:20:30,297 --> 00:20:32,999 He was also the constable. 347 00:20:33,032 --> 00:20:36,403 So he took care of everybody's problems. 348 00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:42,375 He was the only one that I ever trusted, 349 00:20:43,142 --> 00:20:46,112 as far as men went. 350 00:20:46,145 --> 00:20:49,081 He was always looking out for me. 351 00:20:49,115 --> 00:20:50,950 Always protecting me. 352 00:20:50,983 --> 00:20:55,054 I had Madison. She was a miracle baby 353 00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:58,057 'cause I was 46 when I had her. 354 00:21:04,364 --> 00:21:06,599 [Madison] When my dad was chief of police at Gateway, 355 00:21:06,633 --> 00:21:09,669 he did stand a little taller, he was a little prouder. 356 00:21:09,702 --> 00:21:13,340 and it seemed like he was happier with that job. 357 00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:15,608 And a lot of people did respect him 358 00:21:15,642 --> 00:21:17,243 'cause he was very good at his job. 359 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:21,013 In the townhall, 360 00:21:21,047 --> 00:21:26,519 they saw that he was kind of the leader in that sense, 361 00:21:26,553 --> 00:21:27,754 of the town. 362 00:21:29,389 --> 00:21:31,824 I did think that it was my dad 363 00:21:31,858 --> 00:21:34,994 who would go out everyday and he would fight the bad guys 364 00:21:35,027 --> 00:21:37,397 and it was just really cool to me. 365 00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:41,834 As a little girl, I was somewhat aware 366 00:21:41,868 --> 00:21:45,137 that, um, my dad's job was dangerous. 367 00:21:45,171 --> 00:21:46,873 And it did worry me a little bit, 368 00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:48,140 but for the most part, 369 00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:51,378 I was just looking up to him and thinking, 370 00:21:51,378 --> 00:21:54,046 "Wow, that's so cool. My dad's a police officer." 371 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,683 Like, what does your dad do? [chuckles] 372 00:22:00,587 --> 00:22:03,456 Grant was a big man... at the time. 373 00:22:03,490 --> 00:22:05,592 He was very muscular. 374 00:22:05,625 --> 00:22:10,397 And he could pretty much take care of his self. 375 00:22:10,397 --> 00:22:13,199 So he never had anybody to back him up. 376 00:22:13,933 --> 00:22:16,102 'Cause he worked deep nights. 377 00:22:26,979 --> 00:22:29,849 [John] I have lived in northwest Arkansas my entire life. 378 00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:35,655 I run an iron shop, and then I have a farm 379 00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:37,156 and run cattle as well. 380 00:22:39,626 --> 00:22:41,428 On the day of this incident, 381 00:22:41,461 --> 00:22:44,196 foreseen nothing being different about that day. 382 00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:52,705 I went out to Bella Vista and finished up an iron fence. 383 00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:55,708 Then I was headed home and returned off on Twelve Corners. 384 00:22:55,742 --> 00:22:58,711 Twelve Corners turns into Gann Ridge, 385 00:22:58,745 --> 00:23:02,449 and within half of a mile west of the bridge, 386 00:23:02,449 --> 00:23:04,551 I've come up on the first car. 387 00:23:04,584 --> 00:23:08,688 And another 150 yards probably in front of that car, 388 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:12,091 or to the east, was the pick-up. 389 00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:21,200 So probably within 100 yards after I had passed the truck, 390 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,370 I heard what I thought was someone had fired a rifle. 391 00:23:24,471 --> 00:23:26,606 -[gunshot] -[birds screeching] 392 00:23:32,211 --> 00:23:34,180 James Appleton is our brother. 393 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,689 With us five kids, we were all together. 394 00:23:42,722 --> 00:23:45,124 -We stayed... -We were like stick on bread. 395 00:23:47,059 --> 00:23:49,328 And James always came by. 396 00:23:51,397 --> 00:23:55,001 He could be boisterous at you, 397 00:23:55,034 --> 00:23:57,036 -but still be your friend. -Yeah. 398 00:23:59,506 --> 00:24:03,710 [Andrew] James' job was a Gateway public water operator. 399 00:24:03,743 --> 00:24:07,246 And then he worked for the city and did maintenance on the park 400 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,181 and the roads, for the city. 401 00:24:09,215 --> 00:24:13,953 Think James and I worked together for about three or four years. 402 00:24:13,986 --> 00:24:16,856 'cause I was down helping by myself. 403 00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:19,025 And James came out one night when I was working. 404 00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:22,294 We had a big water main break and we couldn't find it so he helped. 405 00:24:22,328 --> 00:24:24,797 And then I said, "Hey, would you like to have a job?" 406 00:24:24,831 --> 00:24:26,533 And James said yeah, 407 00:24:26,533 --> 00:24:29,435 so Water Board, they hired him up and he got his license 408 00:24:29,536 --> 00:24:31,638 and... good employee. 409 00:24:33,272 --> 00:24:34,841 [recording playing] 410 00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:47,219 Uh, well, that was a unique day. 411 00:24:47,253 --> 00:24:49,421 I remember it being the end of the day. 412 00:24:49,455 --> 00:24:51,123 And I remember the call very well. 413 00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:54,060 Came in, and get out there, to the scene. 414 00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:56,462 And I could see the light flashing on the truck. 415 00:24:56,563 --> 00:24:58,430 And I can see an individual... 416 00:24:58,464 --> 00:24:59,899 uh, slouched over. 417 00:24:59,932 --> 00:25:02,602 Uh, hands still near the steering wheel. 418 00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:04,904 Foot on the brake pedal. 419 00:25:04,937 --> 00:25:08,775 It was clear to us that Mr. Appleton was deceased, immediately. 420 00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:14,881 So the first thing we looked for is, 421 00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:16,883 okay, is this a gunshot wound? 422 00:25:16,916 --> 00:25:19,586 Which we were clearly able to determine that 423 00:25:19,586 --> 00:25:20,920 not only was it a gunshot wound, 424 00:25:20,953 --> 00:25:23,355 that it was more than likely a shotgun, 425 00:25:23,389 --> 00:25:25,658 and that it was more than likely at close range. 426 00:25:25,692 --> 00:25:27,894 Very quickly, we realized, 427 00:25:27,927 --> 00:25:30,362 uh, from talking to people, some of the detectives, 428 00:25:30,396 --> 00:25:34,333 uh, that there was a few witnesses to this. 429 00:25:34,366 --> 00:25:35,267 [recording playing] 430 00:26:03,129 --> 00:26:07,466 [John] So he waved me around and a... after I passed him, 431 00:26:07,499 --> 00:26:09,501 James was in front in his pick-up 432 00:26:09,535 --> 00:26:12,972 and he was sitting, talking on his phone. 433 00:26:13,005 --> 00:26:15,842 James kind of went like... this, to me, as I went by, 434 00:26:15,875 --> 00:26:17,644 'cause he was on the phone. 435 00:26:17,644 --> 00:26:20,847 And then I passed him and continued east. 436 00:26:25,151 --> 00:26:26,653 James on the phone, when he called me, 437 00:26:26,653 --> 00:26:29,221 he says, there's a car sitting behind me, 438 00:26:29,255 --> 00:26:30,522 and he's not moving. 439 00:26:30,556 --> 00:26:34,360 And then, James says, "Well, they're easing on up now." 440 00:26:35,161 --> 00:26:36,663 On up, you know, beside him. 441 00:26:42,034 --> 00:26:43,135 [gunshot] 442 00:26:43,169 --> 00:26:45,171 And then that's when I heard something like 443 00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:47,674 his truck door slammed. 444 00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:51,678 He had Bluetooth on his truck, so to me it sounded like 445 00:26:51,678 --> 00:26:54,681 the door slammed. The car door... the truck door slammed. 446 00:26:54,681 --> 00:26:56,582 That's what it sounded like on the phone. 447 00:26:57,917 --> 00:27:03,690 So probably within 100 yards after I had passed James, 448 00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:04,857 and I was... 449 00:27:08,861 --> 00:27:11,998 [sniffles] 450 00:27:12,031 --> 00:27:14,767 So after I passed James and probably 100 yards, 451 00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:17,837 I heard what I thought was someone had fired a rifle. 452 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:19,271 [gunshot] 453 00:27:21,708 --> 00:27:22,775 [recording playing] 454 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:30,717 [John] ...he had caught up with me and turned left. 455 00:27:30,717 --> 00:27:33,619 So when I got up to the top of the hill and turned in, 456 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,622 I thought, well, I should probably go back and check. 457 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:40,326 So I went up and checked on James. 458 00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:47,333 [recording playing] 459 00:27:55,574 --> 00:27:59,011 So the police arrived and then took me to the car 460 00:27:59,045 --> 00:28:00,612 and he says, well, he says, 461 00:28:00,646 --> 00:28:03,215 being that you found James, 462 00:28:03,249 --> 00:28:07,253 I would like you to file a report. 463 00:28:07,286 --> 00:28:08,755 I said, "Sure." 464 00:28:08,755 --> 00:28:11,257 He said, "Do you have any idea who done this?" 465 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,828 So I told the deputy, I said, "He lives right up there." 466 00:28:16,595 --> 00:28:17,596 [recording playing] 467 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,836 [Linda] The job made Grant feel very superior. 468 00:28:56,869 --> 00:29:00,272 He could walk a lot taller when he got that job. 469 00:29:00,306 --> 00:29:02,108 He thought he was invincible. 470 00:29:02,809 --> 00:29:05,978 He oversteps his authority. 471 00:29:06,012 --> 00:29:09,648 He carried a gun on-duty, off-duty. 472 00:29:09,681 --> 00:29:13,052 If a car would make him mad, 473 00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:15,855 if he was driving, he would pull up next to him 474 00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:17,824 and show him his gun. 475 00:29:17,824 --> 00:29:21,560 He was out chasing cars for no reason. 476 00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:25,932 He was pulling guns on the citizens here in Gateway. 477 00:29:25,965 --> 00:29:31,170 And then as time went on, with him being the police chief, 478 00:29:31,203 --> 00:29:34,106 things just started going downhill, fast. 479 00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:38,744 [Andrew] Grant Hardin took the police car 480 00:29:38,845 --> 00:29:42,348 up on 37, and there was a lot that was kind of rode up, 481 00:29:42,381 --> 00:29:44,683 with a little bit of brush and stuff, 482 00:29:44,716 --> 00:29:47,186 and they'd seen somebody drive in there, 483 00:29:47,219 --> 00:29:49,621 so they drove the cop car and then they hit a stump 484 00:29:49,655 --> 00:29:51,757 and busted radiator and some more stuff. 485 00:29:51,858 --> 00:29:54,861 Well, it hit the underneath and tore some things loose 486 00:29:54,894 --> 00:29:57,296 and he brought it back up here and told us what had happened 487 00:29:57,329 --> 00:29:59,565 and that James needed to fix it. 488 00:30:00,166 --> 00:30:02,801 And my brother James said, 489 00:30:02,835 --> 00:30:07,139 "I'm not fixing something that you all tore up, for foolishness." 490 00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,942 And Grant Hardin, he just kind of puffed up, 491 00:30:09,976 --> 00:30:11,243 telling me, and I was like, 492 00:30:11,277 --> 00:30:13,412 "You can't tell me what to do," you know, or something. 493 00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:14,813 Like he's the man. 494 00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:16,983 Out there in the parking lot, with James, 495 00:30:17,016 --> 00:30:18,317 he bowed up to him. 496 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:21,620 So you don't cross me. I've got the power. 497 00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,822 Totally... about power. 498 00:30:23,856 --> 00:30:27,226 And that's when I think it all started. 499 00:30:27,259 --> 00:30:29,795 From my understanding, they had some issues with that. 500 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:32,431 They had had some words and it seemed like 501 00:30:32,464 --> 00:30:35,902 from when we talked to people, they just didn't like each other. 502 00:30:35,935 --> 00:30:39,972 You know, they had actually gotten in each other's face several times. 503 00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:43,275 And, who knows what the level or intensity there is, 504 00:30:43,309 --> 00:30:44,977 as far as the anger. 505 00:30:45,011 --> 00:30:47,579 Obviously, there was quite a bit there, you know. 506 00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,681 And my wife, she's on the city council, 507 00:30:49,715 --> 00:30:51,117 so I said, "You guys need to do something." 508 00:30:51,150 --> 00:30:54,153 I said, "Or you're gonna get in a bind soon or something." 509 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:58,257 The city council made an offer to him. 510 00:30:58,290 --> 00:31:00,526 Either he resign or he was gonna get fired. 511 00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:04,796 He harbored resentment totally. 512 00:31:15,241 --> 00:31:18,177 [news anchor] It was along this road in early 2017 513 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:22,248 Sharon's comfortable corner of the world was shattered. 514 00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:23,749 [siren wailing] 515 00:31:23,782 --> 00:31:25,184 -[man 1] Heard the shot. -[reporter] That's when you heard the shot? 516 00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:26,718 [news anchor] A booming gunshot 517 00:31:26,752 --> 00:31:29,956 followed by the discovery of a man dead 518 00:31:29,956 --> 00:31:31,590 in his Gateway work truck. 519 00:31:31,623 --> 00:31:32,959 [Sharon] He was an awesome brother. 520 00:31:32,959 --> 00:31:34,961 [news anchor] The victim was James Appleton. 521 00:31:34,961 --> 00:31:36,728 [Sharon] He was just that type of a brother that 522 00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:38,797 would bend over to help anybody. 523 00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:40,766 [news anchor] Moments after the deadly shot, 524 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,735 deputies needed help finding the suspect. 525 00:31:43,769 --> 00:31:46,238 [suspenseful music playing] 526 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,775 [Linda] We were all home. 527 00:31:50,309 --> 00:31:51,810 I was off work. 528 00:31:51,843 --> 00:31:54,613 He, at the time, didn't have a job. 529 00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:58,284 He was out in the front yard, doing yard work. 530 00:31:58,317 --> 00:32:01,988 He came in and told us to get ready 531 00:32:01,988 --> 00:32:04,556 because he was gonna take us to dinner, 532 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:07,459 but he said to take our time. 533 00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:11,397 So we were in the house, taking our time, 534 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:13,799 and he was out in the front yard, 535 00:32:13,832 --> 00:32:18,337 and next thing I know, I see his car leaving. 536 00:32:18,370 --> 00:32:20,306 [Andrew] Only thing that I could figure out is just, 537 00:32:20,339 --> 00:32:22,208 James left Grant Hardin's house. 538 00:32:22,241 --> 00:32:25,144 Hardin, having been outside, 539 00:32:25,177 --> 00:32:28,714 I don't think he had time to go in and get a gun and stuff. 540 00:32:28,747 --> 00:32:31,217 So looks to me like that it was probably in his car, 541 00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:35,387 and then when he seen James go by, then, he takes out after him. 542 00:32:35,421 --> 00:32:38,324 We know that Mr. Hardin was outside, working in the yard 543 00:32:38,357 --> 00:32:41,027 so it's, you know, easily could have happened. 544 00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:43,929 So we had figured Mr. Hardin pulled up the side, 545 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:47,066 with a shotgun, and shot Mr. Appleton 546 00:32:47,099 --> 00:32:50,402 point blank, within maybe five to ten feet away. 547 00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:53,272 -[gunshot] -You know, and then, driven off. 548 00:32:56,108 --> 00:33:00,712 [Linda] He was back in about 10 minutes. 549 00:33:00,746 --> 00:33:03,482 I had no idea what was up 550 00:33:03,515 --> 00:33:05,284 when Grant came back in. 551 00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:07,053 He was just in a big rush. 552 00:33:07,053 --> 00:33:08,654 He was like, "I need to go now." 553 00:33:08,687 --> 00:33:12,958 Grant went home, got his family to get in another vehicle, 554 00:33:13,059 --> 00:33:14,726 and they go to dinner. 555 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,629 [Madison] I just remember he kept saying, "I love you," "I love you," "I love you" 556 00:33:17,663 --> 00:33:19,365 to both me and my mom. 557 00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:21,667 And he made several statements to them 558 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,436 that certainly in hindsight... 559 00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:27,506 because he said, "Look, if we don't see each other anymore, 560 00:33:27,539 --> 00:33:29,475 just always know that I love you" and things like that. 561 00:33:29,508 --> 00:33:33,212 So, looking back, you can see that he was already working out in his mind 562 00:33:33,245 --> 00:33:34,946 that, that this was not gonna work out. 563 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:36,548 [indistinct chatter] 564 00:33:36,582 --> 00:33:40,652 [Nathan] During that time, Sheriff's deputies had already spoken with Mr. Bray 565 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:43,189 and knew the guy they were looking for was Grant Hardin. 566 00:33:43,222 --> 00:33:46,192 And so, as they're still working the scene, 567 00:33:46,225 --> 00:33:48,527 later that afternoon and evening, 568 00:33:49,095 --> 00:33:50,629 up pulls Mr. Hardin. 569 00:33:50,662 --> 00:33:53,999 [Linda] It was dark, and they had the road block up, 570 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,235 um, stopping everybody, 571 00:33:56,268 --> 00:33:57,836 and then when it got to us, 572 00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:00,539 and he told 'em his name, 573 00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:03,242 they asked him to step out of the car. 574 00:34:03,275 --> 00:34:07,246 When Mr. Hardin showed back up at the crime scene, basically, 575 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,815 we took him out of the car, placed him in handcuffs, 576 00:34:09,848 --> 00:34:11,949 transported him back to the Sheriff's office. 577 00:34:16,255 --> 00:34:17,856 [recording playing] 578 00:34:19,991 --> 00:34:21,127 [Grant speaking] 579 00:34:35,206 --> 00:34:36,442 [Chamberlin speaking] 580 00:34:46,452 --> 00:34:47,953 [Grant speaking] 581 00:34:49,987 --> 00:34:50,956 [Chamberlin speaking] 582 00:34:56,462 --> 00:34:57,696 [Chamberlin speaking] 583 00:35:11,177 --> 00:35:14,546 Mr. Hardin basically chose to remain silent. 584 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:16,415 He did not want to give a statement. 585 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:18,217 And, you know what? That's his right. 586 00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:21,587 But, uh, didn't matter. We had enough evidence against him. 587 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:24,055 [woman speaking] 588 00:35:26,192 --> 00:35:30,061 [Nathan] So I do think we had a strong case at the time. 589 00:35:30,095 --> 00:35:33,699 One of the ways that we connected to Mr. Hardin 590 00:35:33,732 --> 00:35:35,701 was through one eye-witness. 591 00:35:35,734 --> 00:35:38,270 So that's the reason for the investigation to continue 592 00:35:38,304 --> 00:35:40,206 is you want to get as much evidence as you can. 593 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,808 You want to collect the blood spatter 594 00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:45,377 and the DNA evidence from Mr. Hardin's car. 595 00:35:45,411 --> 00:35:48,880 The DNA is typically collected and that's put into their system 596 00:35:48,914 --> 00:35:50,982 and run through what they call CODIS. 597 00:35:51,016 --> 00:35:56,222 And run against every other known DNA offence, uh, in the country. 598 00:36:05,897 --> 00:36:09,067 I was, uh, on my way to Nashville. 599 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,537 I was driving, headed there for a meeting. 600 00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:17,643 And my... detective... 601 00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:20,679 and he called, and, uh, he said, 602 00:36:21,247 --> 00:36:23,482 "We got him." 603 00:36:23,515 --> 00:36:25,917 I'm like, "Are you saying what I think you're saying, Dave?" 604 00:36:26,552 --> 00:36:28,654 "We [bleep] got him." 605 00:36:28,687 --> 00:36:31,590 And he goes, "You're never gonna [bleep] believe who it was." 606 00:36:31,623 --> 00:36:33,592 And says it was Grant Hardin. 607 00:36:36,595 --> 00:36:38,029 And then I was just like, 608 00:36:38,063 --> 00:36:39,398 "Grant Hardin, Grant Hardin, Grant Hardin. 609 00:36:39,431 --> 00:36:42,334 Wait a second. The name sounds so familiar." He goes, 610 00:36:42,368 --> 00:36:44,770 "Gateway chief of police," and I was just like, 611 00:36:45,437 --> 00:36:47,105 "You're [bleep] kidding me." 612 00:36:47,138 --> 00:36:50,842 [Nathan] I remember at the time, there was zero connection 613 00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:54,446 that Grant Hardin had to Amy Harrison, to the school, 614 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,615 to anything like that, so it's not as if 615 00:36:56,648 --> 00:36:58,116 he had been a suspect or anything. 616 00:36:58,149 --> 00:37:01,119 But when you find out that his DNA hit, 617 00:37:01,152 --> 00:37:02,754 it is certainly a shock. 618 00:37:02,788 --> 00:37:03,989 It almost knocks you off your feet. 619 00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:04,990 [cell phone ringing] 620 00:37:05,023 --> 00:37:08,694 I got a call from one of the detectives 621 00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:10,296 at Rogers Police Department. 622 00:37:10,329 --> 00:37:12,531 He said that they had a suspect. 623 00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:16,001 And I jumped up in the middle of my living room, 624 00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:17,836 off the couch, you know. 625 00:37:17,869 --> 00:37:21,039 Just... in disbelief. I couldn't believe it. 626 00:37:21,072 --> 00:37:26,378 When I went through the array of driver's license photos from 1997, 627 00:37:26,412 --> 00:37:28,314 and it was 2018 at the time, 628 00:37:28,314 --> 00:37:30,115 you know, after 21 years, 629 00:37:30,148 --> 00:37:32,551 and I just put my thumb over 630 00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:35,687 each driver's license head, 631 00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:38,390 you know, so that I could see from the nose down. 632 00:37:38,424 --> 00:37:42,561 And out of like, nine, 12 faces, 633 00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:43,995 I was able to pick his out. 634 00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:48,867 Having seen half his face 21 years earlier, 635 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,336 she picked the [bleep] out. 636 00:37:51,703 --> 00:37:54,039 If that's not attention to detail, I don't know what is. 637 00:37:56,375 --> 00:37:58,344 [Amy] Back then, I felt like 638 00:37:58,344 --> 00:38:00,346 the guy was in law enforcement. 639 00:38:00,346 --> 00:38:03,114 Just by the way he moved and his mannerisms. 640 00:38:03,148 --> 00:38:05,384 And this guy was a police chief 641 00:38:05,417 --> 00:38:06,818 in a very small community. 642 00:38:06,852 --> 00:38:08,487 So, I had been right. 643 00:38:09,921 --> 00:38:14,793 But I didn't know Grant Hardin at all. 644 00:38:14,826 --> 00:38:19,365 I actually saw him for the first time in the sentencing hearing. 645 00:38:19,365 --> 00:38:22,534 That was the first time I had seen his physical... 646 00:38:24,102 --> 00:38:26,004 face, since that event. 647 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,177 When this happened 20 years ago, 648 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:33,445 we were married. 649 00:38:35,113 --> 00:38:37,883 He was a policeman, so he knew 650 00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:39,785 how to get away. 651 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:43,254 Because he went in in his stocking feet, 652 00:38:43,288 --> 00:38:45,791 so they couldn't get shoe prints. 653 00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:49,027 He would have gotten away with raping her 654 00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:51,663 if he had not murdered this guy. 655 00:38:53,399 --> 00:38:55,934 I sat in meetings with that [bleep]. 656 00:38:55,967 --> 00:38:58,136 I sat across the table from that guy. 657 00:38:59,738 --> 00:39:01,540 Don't remember ever shaking his hand. 658 00:39:01,573 --> 00:39:03,041 I hope I didn't. 659 00:39:03,074 --> 00:39:05,210 Think about that and think, 660 00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:08,614 "He was right there and nobody knew." 661 00:39:09,881 --> 00:39:12,718 [Hayes] He had to know who I was. 662 00:39:12,751 --> 00:39:15,954 And my involvement in the rape that he'd committed 20 years earlier. 663 00:39:15,987 --> 00:39:17,556 He had to know. 664 00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:20,091 If he's not a psychopath or a sociopath, 665 00:39:20,125 --> 00:39:21,627 we're gonna have to re-define the terms 666 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:23,695 because how on Earth 667 00:39:23,729 --> 00:39:28,700 can you know that you have raped a woman, 668 00:39:28,734 --> 00:39:31,770 that DNA evidence was obtained, 669 00:39:31,803 --> 00:39:35,541 and yet still go to these meetings and still do what he did? 670 00:39:35,574 --> 00:39:42,080 I mean, I think it represents just an unbelievable narcissism on his part, 671 00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:45,283 that he would parade himself 672 00:39:45,316 --> 00:39:48,820 as, you know, the great protector of the public, 673 00:39:48,854 --> 00:39:52,257 when in reality, uh, he was the greatest threat. 674 00:39:54,926 --> 00:39:56,762 [news anchor] Hardin pleaded guilty to the rape. 675 00:39:56,795 --> 00:39:59,465 The man who worked as a police officer, 676 00:39:59,465 --> 00:40:01,933 a police chief, a county constable 677 00:40:01,967 --> 00:40:03,469 and a corrections officer, 678 00:40:03,502 --> 00:40:05,804 was now on the wrong side of the law. 679 00:40:09,941 --> 00:40:11,777 [Linda] I remember him walking away 680 00:40:12,511 --> 00:40:14,980 and he had his head down 681 00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:17,949 as they took him out. I just cried. 682 00:40:18,884 --> 00:40:20,652 I couldn't stop crying. 683 00:40:25,156 --> 00:40:27,926 Here we are, with Chief Hayes Minor, 684 00:40:27,959 --> 00:40:29,160 a photo of him. 685 00:40:30,395 --> 00:40:31,530 [laughs] 686 00:40:31,563 --> 00:40:34,165 The news conference after the sentencing hearing. 687 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,803 You know, this, um, this really drove home, 688 00:40:37,836 --> 00:40:39,838 you know, for me personally, 689 00:40:39,871 --> 00:40:43,274 um, the impact that a crime like this can have 690 00:40:43,308 --> 00:40:45,376 on a person, a family. 691 00:40:48,213 --> 00:40:49,815 [Amy] He was pretty excited. 692 00:40:50,916 --> 00:40:52,984 There's a photo of me hugging the prosecutor. 693 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,989 [news anchor] Teacher from 1997, Amy Harrison, 694 00:40:58,023 --> 00:41:00,125 spoke to a crowd of media 695 00:41:00,158 --> 00:41:02,861 after learning of Hardin's guilty plea. 696 00:41:02,894 --> 00:41:07,699 I don't know... I'm not sure that forgiveness is the right word that I could use. 697 00:41:07,733 --> 00:41:11,102 I guess, just, um, settled. 698 00:41:17,543 --> 00:41:21,079 I felt for Amy very much. 699 00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:25,951 [voice trembling] I felt bad for her. 700 00:41:26,552 --> 00:41:28,319 I wanted to talk to her. 701 00:41:28,854 --> 00:41:30,556 But I just couldn't. 702 00:41:31,957 --> 00:41:33,191 I just couldn't. 703 00:41:35,927 --> 00:41:40,265 I felt glad that they had found the person that did this to her. 704 00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:43,569 But in the meantime too, 705 00:41:43,569 --> 00:41:47,105 I felt sad that it took my brother's life 706 00:41:47,138 --> 00:41:50,175 to find this person that did this. 707 00:41:50,208 --> 00:41:53,144 It took my brother to get his DNA. 708 00:41:55,947 --> 00:42:00,185 I do feel like my dad did take something from all three families. 709 00:42:00,218 --> 00:42:03,855 Especially from the Appleton family. 710 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,397 You know, it's just disgusting to think that one man has that much power to do that. 711 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,103 I think Grant took every step he could take 712 00:42:18,904 --> 00:42:21,172 to commit the perfect crime. 713 00:42:21,206 --> 00:42:23,809 Uh, except he did not count on Amy Harrison. 56589

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