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[man] This is a moment that requires people
to stay at home in the state of California.
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[woman] Today, I'm issuing a stay-home,
stay-safe order for all Michiganders.
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- [man] For all Ohioans.
- [man] Across Maryland.
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- [man] All Delawareans.
- [man] The entire state of Louisiana.
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[man] For the state of Illinois.
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[man] These can be
very tough days.
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[Ruth] Hi, Alice. How are you?
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[Alice] Oh, Ruth.
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I mean, I keep thinking, it can't
get any harder, and then it does.
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[Ruth] I know, I know. It's
such a frightening time.
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[Alice] It is, it's horrible.
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[heavy sigh]
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[Ruth] So, Alice, I am
working on this documentary
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about the pandemic and what it's
going to do to the food system.
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I really can't send cameras
to anyone or, you know...
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- [Alice] That's right.
- This is what we're stuck with.
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[Alice] Yeah.
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[Ruth] Um, I think that...
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this is a disaster moment
for the food system.
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I would be surprised if more
than half of the restaurants
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were able to reopen
at the end of this.
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And, you know, I think the
farmers are just planting
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as if someday we're
going back to normal.
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And it's not going
to be the same.
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[Alice] No, it's not.
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The farmers may not sell
all the food that they have.
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And they may or may not find
somebody else to take it.
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I mean, we really need to
rethink everything now,
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I think, from the ground up.
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[siren wailing]
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COVID was the wake-up call.
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The moment we couldn't ignore.
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Our broken food
system was exposed.
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The abundance that we as Americans
are used to could just go away.
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It could all end.
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I've been writing about
food for 50 years,
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trying to get Americans
to care more about it.
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[man] Ruth Reichl, the revered restaurant
critic for the New York Times...
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[man] Ruth Reichl,
Gourmet magazine editor...
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How we eat as a
nation is important.
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I mean, I think it's important to our
children, I think it's important to the future.
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And I think food is not
just something you eat,
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it's political and social...
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Food is elemental
to our survival,
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but we take food and the people
behind it completely for granted.
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First I started talking to the
independent restaurateurs I knew,
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and then I reached out to
independent farmers and ranchers.
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Welcome to Bluffton.
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Welcome to Spencertown.
Can you hear me?
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- Yeah.
- Oh, good, hi.
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- Hi.
- Good morning, ma'am, how are you?
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Can you take me through
this whole pandemic process?
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[woman] I was running numbers, and I'm
like, I have to do something different.
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My workers demanded
answers that I didn't have.
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The CEO of Tyson said the
American food system Is breaking.
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Yeah... he's right.
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[man] A lot of people are on the ropes,
and things haven't been good anyway.
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[man 2] These folks
are part of our family,
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and we're going to put them
on the unemployment line.
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[man 3] The chance of us
as farmers surviving just,
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you know, goes down every day.
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Inexpensive food, at some
point of the food chain,
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someone is getting abused.
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[woman] There's only
one way out of that.
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It's changing the systems
that caused us to be
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so lacking in resiliency
when the pandemic struck.
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[woman] They're all struggling, experimenting,
doing whatever it took to survive.
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Not that a paycheck is everything, but
it's like, you know, what is your worth?
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What's your value?
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[Ruth] With so many
of them in crisis,
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I wanted to connect with
those people directly.
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- Hey.
- Hi, Ruth.
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[Ruth] How are you?
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So, what's it like in Chinatown?
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I mean, are you surrounded by
restaurants that are closing?
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Yeah, that's the saddest
part about this neighborhood,
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is, there's an eerie quietness
in this neighborhood.
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A lot of empty store fronts,
a lot of closed restaurants.
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Chinatown was the
first to be affected.
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People are scared to
come to Chinatown.
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Whether that's, you know,
stereotypes or prejudices.
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Just making fun of the
virus in Chinese names
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is depleting the stature of what
this neighborhood had built.
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But the hardest thing about this
pandemic is that each business
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has been having to handle
this puzzle on their own.
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[Ruth] I mean, it was
particularly bad timing for you,
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because you were just
opening a restaurant.
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[woman] Yeah.
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I was already in survival mode, but
that week leading up to the pandemic,
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I was going from one to two locations,
and I was really stretched thin.
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Obviously, I'm not paying rent.
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Hopefully my landlords
won't kick me out.
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But I'm the primary
breadwinner of my family.
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All of a sudden, I'm like, how
do I take care of my own family
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and then take care of
all of these people?
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And I just felt like I
had failed everybody.
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[woman] You can ask me
questions while I do my hair.
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[man] Okay. So you just talked about
the restaurant, how you pivoted.
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[Minh] I hate the word "pivot"!
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I called my landlord and I said,
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"Hey, I just want you to know that
maybe we can't pay our rent next month."
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"Can you please make
sure everything's okay?"
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And he's like, "It's not."
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"My 80-year-old parents
rely on this income."
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- Yeah.
- [Minh] What the heck do you do?
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And I'm like, there's no way I'm
going to do what everyone's doing
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and not pay their
rent, if I can.
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And, because he's an immigrant.
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It's not them versus us.
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It's not the... maybe the
banks a little bit, but...
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Maybe the banks a
little bit, yeah.
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You know, if this is the foreseeable
future, will you be okay?
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[Minh] Uh... I don't
think Porridge & Puffs
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is going to look like what it
was, and I don't expect it to.
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This is day one, minute
one, brand-new business.
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- Take care, enjoy cooking.
- Thank you.
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[Ruth] I don't think
you sent me a Venmo.
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[vendor] No, I did, you must've
been on, I just sent it.
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[Ruth] Oh, okay.
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When I was growing up,
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most people just didn't
pay much attention to food.
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Today, food is as important as art
and books and movies and music.
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It is a huge part
of popular culture.
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People often ask me today if I think
there's too much emphasis on food.
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And you know what?
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My answer is no.
There was too little.
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[narrator] You've heard
of the art of cooking.
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Well, here's an artist at work.
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[Ruth] When I was growing up,
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it was probably the only
time in human history
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where people willfully
chose not to pay attention
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to where their food came from,
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how they were eating, what
it meant to their bodies.
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The consequences
have been horrendous.
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I didn't mean to be
unkind to mother,
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but she did spend an awful
lot of time in that kitchen.
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Frankly, I had better
things to do with my time.
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[Ruth] Back in the '50s, advertising
began to sell us the idea
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that cooking should be
quick and convenient.
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[announcer] Just reach for a can, 3
minutes to heat, and it's ready to eat.
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You'll be dancing with joy when you
serve Brown Beauty Spanish Rice.
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[Ruth] If there were health consequences,
nobody was thinking about it.
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Efficiency was everything.
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But in the 1960s on
public television,
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Julia Child came along
and began teaching
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a fairly small, rebellious audience
how to cook like the French.
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[Julia] Cutting down this way and
cutting across, do practice this method.
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It does take a little practice, takes
you about a week or so to learn.
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[Ruth] It was a direct response to the
idea that American food was terrible.
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I mean, everybody talked
about, "Oh, America,
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the land of hamburgers and hot
dogs, the land of fast food."
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And Julia Child comes along and says,
"No, Americans can cook great food."
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"They just have to
learn the technique."
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And then you have Alice
Waters come along,
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and there's a revolution
against that revolution,
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which is, you cannot make great food
if you don't have great ingredients.
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I mean, Alice says,
"Garbage in, garbage out."
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You want great food in America, it's not about
technique, it's about the quality of the food.
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Just a second, I'm going to move over
here so I can lean back on the couch.
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I'm going to make you jealous.
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Oh, oh, my God. You...
I am very jealous.
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There is not a... The
best I can do is rhubarb.
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Are you thinking of
reopening at some point?
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[Alice] Well, the restaurant's
just not big enough.
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God, it makes me so sad.
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- I mean, we have bathrooms that are big as the closet.
- [Ruth] That's true.
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[Alice] I mean, the tables
are very close together.
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We've been making farm
boxes, because, for me,
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the big, big issue is keeping
all of our purveyors alive.
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[Brandon] When all of these
restaurants start to close,
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it will close other parts of
other industries, as well.
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Our order this week for produce
was the smallest it's ever been.
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Those are relationships that I have
with farms that are over ten years,
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and it sucks to not be
able to support them.
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[Ruth] It's so bleak.
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[man] You don't walk
away from a farm.
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You can't put farms on furlough.
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It's kind of like
a relationship.
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You can't just ignore them
for two months or three months
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and then walk back in and
expect to be greeted fondly.
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[Ruth] The very first farmers I called
were Lee and Bob Jones at Chef's Garden,
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because I know that
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almost their entire business
is selling to restaurants,
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so this had to be
brutal for them.
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So, what have the last few
weeks been like for you?
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You know, we're underwater. We
lost a lot of money in March.
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Home delivery, I think, is a good
move, but we're starting from zero.
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[Bob] How are we
going to handle this?
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What decisions are
we going to make
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to protect our team physically,
emotionally, financially...
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You haven't had to throw
anything out, have you?
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We're planting
literally every day,
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and so those products, right
after the restaurants closed down,
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that product just kept
coming and coming and coming.
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You know, there was definitely
a period there where there was
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a lot of dumping.
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But if we're going down, we're
going to go down fighting.
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[Ruth] I began thinking about
what might be happening out there
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to the small,
independent ranchers,
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the ones who supply meat to our
restaurants and supermarkets.
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And then I came across
a rancher from Kansas.
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He was all over social media,
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talking about the challenges
that were facing his community.
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You know, the state
of the cattle business
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has turned into more than just
a cattle business problem.
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It's turned into a United
States economics problem.
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Good morning,
ma'am, how are you?
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I'm very well, thank you. If
you could tell me the story
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of COVID for you,
it would be great.
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Okay. Uh...
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We're starting to
back the cattle up.
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You've seen on TV, I'm
sure, and everywhere,
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of disposing of milk and hogs.
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And we're probably not far
from that in the cattle part.
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You have this huge
discrepancy now.
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You've got record beef prices.
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So the consumer's paying twice
what they were 60 days ago,
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and you have a packer that's making a
billion dollars a week processing cattle,
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while all the producers
are going broke.
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[Ruth] It sounds like
the Big Four packers,
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the meat processors,
have too much control?
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Exactly. The
packers got so big,
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and the monopolization of
processing plants so common,
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that if you take
two of them offline,
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all of a sudden we
have a meat shortage,
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when there's no
shortage of food here.
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We could feed a small country
right now with what we're wasting.
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- [Ruth] Absolutely.
- [Steve] But our system is so specialized
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that any kink and
we're in trouble.
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I think that will
eventually bite us.
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The majority of mass
agriculture in the United States
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is all about how cheaply
can you produce it.
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And that's what's gotten
us to where we are.
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Other countries can't
spend per capita what we do
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on entertainment and
vehicles and housing,
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because they're
spending it on food.
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- Right.
- You know.
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For the last 50 years we've
thrown agriculture under the bus
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as the bargaining tool for
everything America thought
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the other countries
ought to be doing.
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[Ruth] Coming out
of World War II,
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there was a very conscious decision
on the part of the American government
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to make food political.
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They had a huge stockpile of
ammunition left over from World War II.
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They decide to convert
it into fertilizer.
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There is a deep encouragement to replace
the animals on the farm with machines.
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There's privileging of
efficiency, the factory model,
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and there is a whole notion that
one way we can fight communism
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is by having the cheapest and
most abundant food on earth.
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We had an arms race
and a farms race.
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You plan to outstrip us,
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particularly in the
production of consumer goods?
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Nixon actually had
what were called
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the "kitchen cabinet
conversations" with Khrushchev.
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He took him through
supermarkets,
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and this notion is, "Look at
what we have in this country."
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Nixon's secretary of
agriculture, Earl Butz,
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actually said to the farmers,
"Get big or get out."
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We're going to make
this industry pay.
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P-R-O-F-I-T.
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He encouraged them to
take out huge loans
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to buy combines and
expensive equipment.
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And they did.
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Then, in the early '80s,
the overproduction of food,
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combined with enormous farm
debt and high interest rates,
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caused farmer after farmer across
the middle of America to go bankrupt.
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Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
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Bless us, O Lord,
and these our gifts,
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which we are about to receive from thy
bounty, through Christ our Lord. Amen.
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Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
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[Ruth] Oh, there you are.
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Oh. Hi! Hi!
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[Angela] I don't do
much video conferencing,
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and I usually choose not to do the video, because
I'm just kind of shy, I guess, I don't know.
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No, I totally get that.
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So, tell me what COVID
has been like for you.
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The markets took a hit,
but they're crappy anyway.
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So, you know, it's
just one more thing.
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[Ruth] So, what do you grow?
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[Angela] Well, we
grow corn and beans.
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And, in 2013, we put
wheat into our rotation.
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And we've done Sudan
for forage for cattle,
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because we just know we have to get an
income source other than corn and soybeans.
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Because it doesn't pay.
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Farming economics for the last
eight years has been stressful.
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We're at cost of
production or less.
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We're buying land,
we're buying equipment.
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It's a half a million
dollars, almost,
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for some of these
combines and tractors.
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We've got bills up to here. I
mean, we are highly leveraged.
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So we're transitioning
acres into organic.
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[Ruth] But you'll
get more for organic.
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Yes, but the hard part is
that 36 months of transition.
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It's a nightmare.
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[Ruth] Right, yeah,
36 months of no money.
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[Angela] Right, and
tell your banker that.
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We go every year to the
bank to renew our ag loan.
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And it's only from beginning
of the year to the end.
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And it's like, there's no,
there's no flow in between years,
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where soil health needs that.
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Transition to
organic needs that.
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So, do you have animals as well?
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- Just kids.
- [laughing]
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Agricultural economics
is totally upside-down.
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So, the majority of farmers in the United
States go to the bank every winter,
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and they borrow operating capital so
that they can buy seed and fertilizer
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and all of the inputs that
they'll need to grow their crops.
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They farm all year and hope they can
make enough at the end of the year
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to pay that note back and hope
that the lending institution
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will do it again next year.
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Over, and over,
and over, and over.
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And in our history, that's
exactly what happened to us.
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It was Economics
101 in the '80s.
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We lost the family farm in '83.
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I mean, everything,
it was an auction,
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and everything right down
to my mom's car and our home
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were auctioned off
in a foreclosure.
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And it was survival mode.
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Unfortunately right now feels
eerily, eerily like that.
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It's a stupid business.
Nobody else does that.
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I mean, go to any financial
advisor and say, "All right,
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I'm going to risk $8
million this year,
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and I'm going to work 100 hours
a week for a $50,000 return."
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I mean, they're going to
tell you you're an idiot.
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I mean, the more I
report this documentary,
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the more I feel that
the finances of farmers
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are at the crux of so much of
what's going on in this country.
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The degree of risk that these
folks take on is staggering.
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Like, we get...
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You know, we're talking about forgiving
student loan debt, right, as a way of like,
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you know, recognizing that the economy
has been stacked against people
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who've graduated in the
past couple of years,
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and that it's a real
drag on economic growth.
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Oh, my God, you know how
much farm debt's out there?
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Those folks are part of
a food production system.
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They deserve to be able to make a
living doing what they're doing.
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That's a choice.
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We made a conscious decision to
favor agribusiness interests,
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as opposed to investing in the
people that were on the land.
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If you ask how many farmers are actually
able to make a living just from farming?
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It's almost no
one. Almost no one.
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If, if you're generous, it would
be about seven percent of farmers.
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You just have to
think about that.
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You know, what economic
sector would sustain
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with only seven percent of them
being able to make positive revenue?
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[sustained keyboard chords]
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[light percussion plays]
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[music tempo of keyboards,
drums, and guitar picks up]
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[distorted guitar kicks in]
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- How are you?
- How we doing, Chef?
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- Good to see you.
- I'll show you...
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- [woman] Hey, Marcus.
- [Marcus] How are you, dear?
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You can tell, quickly,
what business is in Harlem,
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but not of Harlem, right?
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I'll show you the difference.
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If you're in Harlem, it's just
boarded up with plywood, right?
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If you're of Harlem,
there's art on your gate.
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So, in and of.
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- [man 1] Ready to go.
- [man 2] How you doing, Chef?
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- [Marcus] What's up man, what's going on?
- [man 2] That's the chef.
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You have restaurants all
over the world, right?
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"Had" is the key
word there. [laughs]
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[Marcus] It took me 25
years to build this.
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It took ten days to
break it all down.
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When people said, Ruth,
everybody's left New York City,
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I find it almost disrespectful.
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People have not left.
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[Marcus] Do you
need another mask?
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[man] Yeah, I could
use another one.
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[Marcus] There are
deli workers, nurses,
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homeless people, people
with mental illnesses.
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And on top of that, every day,
Harlem gets busloads of homeless,
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or people that are incarcerated, and
just get dropped off on 125th street.
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I mean, it's, it's horrendous.
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Do you want some food?
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- I got some.
- You got some, good.
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[Ruth] One of the things
that I'm looking at is,
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in 1920, 19% of the farms
in America were Black-owned.
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Now it's like one percent.
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- Wow. Do you know this amazing woman, Karen Washington?
- No.
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She's fierce. You'll love her.
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[Karen] Ten to one.
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And if they don't come,
it's donated to La Finca.
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All right. Let's make sure
everybody got their order.
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[worker] One red
Russian kale six-pack.
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- [Karen] Uh-huh.
- You got the parsley?
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- [Karen] Yes.
- Chives?
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[Karen] Yes. This
will do good in shade.
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Enjoy, and take us some
pictures and send them to us.
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When I moved to the Bronx, I had a huge
backyard, and I decided, you know what?
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Let me try and grow some food.
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I started with green
peppers and tomatoes,
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and it was the tomato that
changed my world completely.
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Because prior to that, tomatoes were
always pink, they were never red.
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They tasted like cardboard.
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And so when I grew this
tomato, first of all,
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I was mesmerized that
it grew on a vine.
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That it was red? What?
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And when I picked it and I bit
into it, it just rocked my world.
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The taste was so intense,
so sweet, and I was hooked.
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COVID hit communities
of color so hard,
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because of the preexisting
diet-related diseases that we've had.
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The high incidence of hypertension,
type 2 diabetes, obesity.
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I've been on this journey, getting
politicians and people to understand
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the importance of growing food,
and why it's so important,
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especially in low-income neighborhoods
and neighborhoods of color, to do so.
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When you talk about food desert, you're
not getting the underlying problem
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when it comes to race and
economics and demographics.
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And when you talk about food
apartheid, people start to listen.
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It's important that we look at our food
system to see who's growing the food.
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Who are the farm workers,
who are the farmers?
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Because out of 57,000
farmers in New York state,
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only 139 are Black.
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- Oh, my God.
- You tell me, you tell me what I'm fighting for.
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And so we can't talk about a
sustainable, equitable food system,
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if we're not in it.
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In the early 1900s,
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there were more Black farms
than there were white farms.
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96% of land-owning
farmers are white.
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And they control 97% of land.
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So you essentially have a system
that is structurally racist
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because of the way that
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the federal
government intervened
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to first of all
appropriate that land
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and then distribute it.
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[Eric] The vast majority of
African American farmland lost
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has been in the 20th century.
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It's happened since 1950, right?
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So this is not ancient history,
this is current history.
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This is very real
to people who were
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on the land.
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They're still
alive, those people.
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I mean...
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we have never had the reckoning
within our country that we need.
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And we certainly haven't
had it within agriculture.
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[woman] As part of the New
Deal, everybody got the right
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to the minimum wage for the first time,
except for groups of Black workers.
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Farm workers, domestic workers, and
tipped restaurant workers who were told
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you get a zero dollar wage, as long as
tips bring you to the full minimum wage.
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And we went from zero in
1938 to $2.13 81 years later.
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Prior to the pandemic,
the restaurant industry
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was the second-largest and absolute
fastest-growing sector of the US economy.
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But it was also the absolute
lowest-paying employer.
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Every year, the seven lowest-paying jobs
would be in the restaurant industry,
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and the eighth-lowest
would be farm workers.
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- [horns honking] - So, part of
what you're seeing in the protests
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is a lot of unemployed
service workers out there.
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I mean, George Floyd himself was
an unemployed restaurant worker,
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and there are
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a ton of our people
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fighting for their lives.
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It is about police brutality,
and it's about so much more.
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After emancipation, employers first demanded
the right to hire newly freed slaves
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and not pay them anything
and have them live entirely
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on this new notion that had just come
from Europe at the time called a tip.
459
00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:22,019
And it really was slavery that
mutated this idea of tipping,
460
00:27:22,157 --> 00:27:26,161
not as a bonus or an extra on top of
a wage, but rather the wage itself.
461
00:27:26,299 --> 00:27:30,096
Because there was a desire to hire
Black people, in particular Black women,
462
00:27:30,234 --> 00:27:34,169
actually, at the time, not pay them
anything, and have them live on tips.
463
00:27:34,307 --> 00:27:36,655
But I think the
surprising thing is,
464
00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:39,692
we are seeing dramatic
new willingness
465
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:44,076
of lots and lots of independent restaurants
to totally change their business models.
466
00:27:44,214 --> 00:27:46,941
[acoustic guitar playing]
467
00:27:57,434 --> 00:28:02,715
[woman] I get my affinity for fighting
against any kind of injustice from my mom.
468
00:28:02,853 --> 00:28:07,720
When we were made fun of in school, she
would, like, teach folks about Arab culture.
469
00:28:07,858 --> 00:28:12,345
And she always made sure that anyone
who came through our household was fed.
470
00:28:12,483 --> 00:28:14,002
My grandmother was the same way.
471
00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:17,661
And I started to see the
virtue of Arab hospitality.
472
00:28:18,938 --> 00:28:21,596
[Ruth] You are trying
to use this time
473
00:28:21,734 --> 00:28:24,910
to figure out another way.
474
00:28:25,048 --> 00:28:27,567
[Reem] Yes. Exactly.
475
00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:29,086
It was really scary.
476
00:28:29,224 --> 00:28:31,364
Our sales plummeted,
477
00:28:31,502 --> 00:28:34,643
and lack of tips was a
huge blow to my workers
478
00:28:34,782 --> 00:28:37,405
when we stopped our
restaurant operations.
479
00:28:37,543 --> 00:28:40,822
My employees formed a
collective to, like,
480
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,655
demand answers from management, but also,
I think, to take care of each other.
481
00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:48,934
So I was like, how do I
take care of my workers
482
00:28:49,072 --> 00:28:52,696
so that they're better off from this
whole debacle than they were before?
483
00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:57,459
And the only answer to
me was worker ownership.
484
00:28:57,597 --> 00:29:01,015
[Ruth] I'm fascinated and
admiring of your efforts
485
00:29:01,153 --> 00:29:04,397
to share the ownership of your
business with your employees.
486
00:29:04,535 --> 00:29:08,677
Living your principles in your
work life is really difficult.
487
00:29:08,816 --> 00:29:11,439
I mean, as I told you,
488
00:29:11,577 --> 00:29:14,787
I've sort of come
out of this movement
489
00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:18,618
and sort of watched
it happen in the '70s.
490
00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:20,551
[guitar strumming]
491
00:29:26,972 --> 00:29:30,665
In 1973, we put everything
we owned, including our cat,
492
00:29:30,803 --> 00:29:34,427
into a big green van and
drove out to Berkeley.
493
00:29:36,222 --> 00:29:38,707
You know, it was all these
counterculture people.
494
00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:42,056
And after the Vietnam War
movement, we started looking
495
00:29:42,194 --> 00:29:46,785
for the next cause, because we
felt like we'd made an impact.
496
00:29:46,923 --> 00:29:49,097
And so, what do we see?
497
00:29:49,235 --> 00:29:52,860
We see that American food
is becoming industrialized.
498
00:29:52,998 --> 00:29:54,723
It wasn't really new.
499
00:29:54,862 --> 00:29:57,968
But what we were seeing now
were the environmental costs
500
00:29:58,106 --> 00:30:00,971
and the exploitation of
labor and agriculture.
501
00:30:01,109 --> 00:30:04,112
People started protesting.
502
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:07,875
Everyone I knew was reading
Diet for a Small Planet.
503
00:30:08,013 --> 00:30:11,775
And there was this new consciousness
about limited resources.
504
00:30:11,913 --> 00:30:15,779
I started cooking at a restaurant
collective called The Swallow.
505
00:30:18,195 --> 00:30:20,853
I was writing occasional
506
00:30:20,991 --> 00:30:22,337
little pieces for New West...
507
00:30:22,475 --> 00:30:24,477
where to go to get ice
cream and things like that.
508
00:30:24,615 --> 00:30:28,343
And one of my editors said, "Have you ever
thought about being a restaurant critic?"
509
00:30:28,481 --> 00:30:30,521
And I looked at him and
said, "Don't be ridiculous."
510
00:30:30,656 --> 00:30:31,944
"I don't even have
a credit card."
511
00:30:31,968 --> 00:30:33,970
"What do you mean, be
a restaurant critic?"
512
00:30:34,108 --> 00:30:36,213
And he said, "Just
give it a try."
513
00:30:36,351 --> 00:30:41,080
I went home to my commune and said to
everyone, "We're going out to eat."
514
00:30:42,875 --> 00:30:45,153
So, for the next six years
at New West magazine,
515
00:30:45,291 --> 00:30:49,848
I just wrote short stories with the
review kind of threaded through it.
516
00:30:52,712 --> 00:30:56,302
And then the LA Times called me and said,
"We want you to be our restaurant critic."
517
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,375
And I was like, Oh, maybe
this is my real life.
518
00:31:00,513 --> 00:31:02,964
[melodic piano]
519
00:31:15,597 --> 00:31:20,533
I first met Alice in 1973.
520
00:31:20,671 --> 00:31:24,744
I thought she was the most
glamorous, exciting creature.
521
00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:29,611
I lived in a commune in
a broken-down old house.
522
00:31:29,749 --> 00:31:34,962
We were kind of scruffy, and
Alice always felt, to me,
523
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:38,275
like, kind of, I guess,
the person I wanted to be.
524
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:40,795
And then we did become friends.
525
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:47,008
The way we've always worked
has been collaboratively.
526
00:31:47,146 --> 00:31:51,392
For 50 years, we've
been buying directly
527
00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:53,877
from the farmer and the rancher,
528
00:31:54,015 --> 00:31:55,983
giving the farmer all the money.
529
00:31:56,121 --> 00:31:57,501
No middleman.
530
00:31:57,639 --> 00:32:01,264
Because when we
said to Bob Cannard,
531
00:32:01,402 --> 00:32:03,369
"We're buying everything you do,
532
00:32:03,507 --> 00:32:08,098
you'll have all the money that
we would give to a wholesaler,"
533
00:32:08,236 --> 00:32:11,964
it was that that
really changed us.
534
00:32:12,102 --> 00:32:16,865
Because we followed
his cycle, not ours.
535
00:32:17,004 --> 00:32:22,837
And once we got in his rhythm,
we've never looked back.
536
00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:27,842
And he brought all the values
right through the kitchen door.
537
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:32,640
To think that that
biodiversity is out there,
538
00:32:32,778 --> 00:32:35,781
it's just waiting for us.
539
00:32:44,307 --> 00:32:46,481
[Ruth] You grew up in
Newfoundland, right?
540
00:32:46,619 --> 00:32:48,621
- Yeah.
- How'd you end up in New Haven?
541
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,313
Uh, I chased a girl.
542
00:32:50,451 --> 00:32:53,281
[laughing]
543
00:32:53,419 --> 00:32:58,286
So, how did you come up with
the notion of doing kelp?
544
00:32:58,424 --> 00:33:01,151
[Bren] What we did
was ask the ocean,
545
00:33:01,289 --> 00:33:02,739
what does it make sense to grow?
546
00:33:02,877 --> 00:33:05,077
And when you ask the ocean
what to grow, the ocean says,
547
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:08,814
"Grow things that won't swim
away and you don't have to feed."
548
00:33:08,952 --> 00:33:12,231
As soon as you make that
shift, you listen to the ocean,
549
00:33:12,369 --> 00:33:16,580
it becomes really pretty simple and you've
got a lot of different crops you can grow.
550
00:33:16,718 --> 00:33:21,171
So kelp is the ultimate specialty
boutique food right now, right?
551
00:33:21,309 --> 00:33:25,175
And we're repurposing
our crops to non-food.
552
00:33:25,313 --> 00:33:28,661
The bioplastics for N95 masks.
553
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,629
- Oh, yeah.
- Made out of seaweed.
554
00:33:30,767 --> 00:33:36,083
But that's the sort of "don't
let a crisis go to waste," right?
555
00:33:36,221 --> 00:33:41,364
I believe in polyculture because
that allows for resilience.
556
00:33:41,502 --> 00:33:45,126
That quadrant farm, where
we're harvesting food,
557
00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:49,130
we're harvesting byproducts, so
things that are not food-grade.
558
00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:53,893
We're harvesting data, and we're
harvesting carbon and nitrogen.
559
00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:55,964
And all of those
are different crops.
560
00:33:56,103 --> 00:33:59,278
You have a crop fail, you've
got many, many different things
561
00:33:59,416 --> 00:34:00,969
you can sell year-round, right?
562
00:34:01,108 --> 00:34:04,283
- [pulley whirs] - I'm
going to move a little bit.
563
00:34:04,421 --> 00:34:09,461
Dad's last operating note at
the bank was 24% interest.
564
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,636
And then, he was starting
to see that it was taking
565
00:34:12,774 --> 00:34:17,469
greater and greater amounts of inputs
to produce less and less outputs.
566
00:34:17,607 --> 00:34:21,300
So, at the same time he was
getting his economic lesson,
567
00:34:21,438 --> 00:34:25,166
he was getting this agronomic
lesson in soil health.
568
00:34:25,304 --> 00:34:31,138
40 years later, we understand that model of
economics, and we don't want any part of it.
569
00:34:31,276 --> 00:34:37,454
We're a 12-month operation, so we've been
able to cash flow without an operating note,
570
00:34:37,592 --> 00:34:41,251
just because that we're
selling 12 months of the year.
571
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:45,566
We met this guy by the name
572
00:34:45,704 --> 00:34:47,602
of Jean Louis Palladin,
573
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:49,121
who said, basically,
574
00:34:49,259 --> 00:34:52,193
"I yearn for the
produce of Europe,
575
00:34:52,331 --> 00:34:55,058
because your produce here
tastes like nothing!"
576
00:34:55,196 --> 00:35:00,028
And he said, "There are enough
of us chefs that will support you
577
00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:05,448
if you do this the right way,
because it will taste good."
578
00:35:05,586 --> 00:35:08,313
We are indebted to him forever,
579
00:35:08,451 --> 00:35:10,798
for hurting our
feelings so badly.
580
00:35:10,936 --> 00:35:14,112
He's one of the ones
we all really miss.
581
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:18,185
Absolutely. But he
started a revolution.
582
00:35:18,323 --> 00:35:19,910
What we didn't understand was,
583
00:35:20,048 --> 00:35:26,054
as we researched how do we grow
really great-tasting vegetables,
584
00:35:26,193 --> 00:35:29,679
we had no idea that we were bringing
nutrition along for the ride.
585
00:35:29,817 --> 00:35:34,925
And the medical community
is taking note of our work
586
00:35:35,063 --> 00:35:38,377
and the work of many, many
other regenerative farms,
587
00:35:38,515 --> 00:35:41,346
who are growing healthy crops
588
00:35:41,484 --> 00:35:46,144
and raising the body's ability
to defend itself from disease.
589
00:35:46,282 --> 00:35:50,769
I often wonder what our
country would look like
590
00:35:50,907 --> 00:35:54,082
had we made a different
choice in 1948.
591
00:35:54,221 --> 00:35:58,052
What if we had decided we were going
to have the most nutritious food?
592
00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:01,435
From 1940 to 2000, we've lost
40% of the nutritive value
593
00:36:01,573 --> 00:36:04,092
of the food we grow
in this country.
594
00:36:04,231 --> 00:36:08,166
Now, we have the highest per
capita spending of healthcare
595
00:36:08,304 --> 00:36:10,237
of any industrialized
nation in the world,
596
00:36:10,375 --> 00:36:12,480
because we have the
lowest per capita spending
597
00:36:12,618 --> 00:36:15,552
on food of any industrialized
nation in the world.
598
00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:18,831
The big picture is that what
this system has been generating
599
00:36:18,969 --> 00:36:22,110
has been sanctioning the
concentration of wealth
600
00:36:22,249 --> 00:36:24,803
in the very few large monopolies
601
00:36:24,941 --> 00:36:27,495
and sanctioning the
production of junk food,
602
00:36:27,633 --> 00:36:32,466
which happens to be very
profitable for the food industry
603
00:36:32,604 --> 00:36:35,779
but horrible for the health
of the entire population.
604
00:36:37,747 --> 00:36:42,303
[Ruth] After World War II, chain
restaurants began to proliferate.
605
00:36:42,441 --> 00:36:43,960
Everybody loved
them, but they used
606
00:36:44,098 --> 00:36:46,618
inexpensive labor and
low-quality ingredients
607
00:36:46,756 --> 00:36:50,863
that came straight out of the
industrialized farming system.
608
00:36:51,001 --> 00:36:54,073
These fast-food corporations
made huge profits
609
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:59,251
offering cheap food, and they
became symbols of American culture.
610
00:36:59,389 --> 00:37:02,737
We exported them
all over the world.
611
00:37:05,568 --> 00:37:09,882
COVID revealed the fragility
of independent restaurants.
612
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,851
One in five look
likely to close,
613
00:37:12,989 --> 00:37:17,027
and I worry that the chain restaurants
are going to gobble up the real estate.
614
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:26,105
[Minh] The workload
seems already better.
615
00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:27,728
What do you guys think?
616
00:37:31,456 --> 00:37:32,457
[worker] I feel like...
617
00:37:32,595 --> 00:37:34,735
It feels like it's the same.
618
00:37:34,873 --> 00:37:39,360
[Minh] They had all sacrificed and been in
quarantine, never got out of quarantine.
619
00:37:39,498 --> 00:37:42,190
And then we had to compete
with places opening.
620
00:37:42,329 --> 00:37:46,988
I talked to my team, I said, like, "This
isn't working, we're not going to survive."
621
00:37:47,126 --> 00:37:49,439
And that's the first
time I felt that, ever.
622
00:37:49,577 --> 00:37:51,786
You know, I think I've
been in the system so long
623
00:37:51,924 --> 00:37:53,995
where I just have to be
like, you have to be humble.
624
00:37:54,133 --> 00:37:57,516
You have to just work twice as
hard and charge half as much,
625
00:37:57,654 --> 00:37:59,587
because you're a woman
and you're an immigrant.
626
00:37:59,725 --> 00:38:03,142
And they're just like, "Oh, my God,
we've all worked in fine dining."
627
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,524
"You would charge
$40 for this."
628
00:38:05,662 --> 00:38:09,183
"And we need to, because
you're not being fair to us."
629
00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:11,875
"You expect us to
work all the stations,
630
00:38:12,013 --> 00:38:15,154
do all the things, and
then you charge $13?"
631
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:18,951
"Like, come on," and I think
it's a culture where people
632
00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:20,884
really don't want to
pay a lot for food.
633
00:38:21,022 --> 00:38:27,995
But I don't know that you can have your
standards and try and do cheap food.
634
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:29,721
I mean...
635
00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:34,070
I mean, because you're using
really high-quality ingredients.
636
00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:37,038
Your food is very
labor intensive.
637
00:38:37,176 --> 00:38:39,247
Should I just become a
fine dining restaurant?
638
00:38:39,386 --> 00:38:40,826
I mean, this is...
I mean, this is...
639
00:38:40,904 --> 00:38:43,804
I think you have the
answers for me, Ruth.
640
00:38:43,942 --> 00:38:45,046
Uh...
641
00:38:46,496 --> 00:38:49,396
Maybe you should, um...
and then the question is,
642
00:38:49,534 --> 00:38:51,639
are people going to go to
fine dining restaurants?
643
00:38:51,777 --> 00:38:54,401
I mean, a lot of the fine
dining chefs I'm speaking to
644
00:38:54,539 --> 00:38:57,749
are saying, "I don't think I'm going
to reopen as a fine dining restaurant."
645
00:38:57,887 --> 00:39:02,340
I mean, it just doesn't seem to make
sense in this particular moment.
646
00:39:09,657 --> 00:39:11,866
[Nick] You can't really
be defensive right now,
647
00:39:12,004 --> 00:39:13,937
and you can't wait for
the cavalry to come.
648
00:39:14,075 --> 00:39:15,801
You have to scale it to a point
649
00:39:15,939 --> 00:39:18,390
where it's like you're feeding
an army for it to work out.
650
00:39:18,528 --> 00:39:22,256
I started going like, "Hey, what are
we going to do for Thanksgiving?"
651
00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:25,121
We paid up and bought a
couple thousand turkeys.
652
00:39:25,259 --> 00:39:28,262
I mean, how many pounds of stuffing
are you going to make, Grant?
653
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,748
- Uh, five thousand.
- [Ruth] Are you serious?
654
00:39:31,886 --> 00:39:34,130
Five thousand
pounds of stuffing?
655
00:39:34,268 --> 00:39:38,237
I mean, I think thinking the way
you do is frightening to people.
656
00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:40,136
You're taking a lot of risks.
657
00:39:40,274 --> 00:39:42,138
I disagree. So there's like...
658
00:39:42,276 --> 00:39:44,899
There's risk and then
there's being risky.
659
00:39:45,037 --> 00:39:47,868
So, I guess you're taking
risk, but risk is like,
660
00:39:48,006 --> 00:39:51,458
you used it in a pejorative
way, right, like risk is bad.
661
00:39:51,596 --> 00:39:53,943
[Ruth] No, I'm, I'm not.
662
00:39:54,081 --> 00:39:55,334
I mean, I think
what I'm learning
663
00:39:55,358 --> 00:39:58,913
in all this reporting
I'm doing is,
664
00:39:59,051 --> 00:40:01,122
I'm starting to understand risk.
665
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:03,677
I mean, farmers, more
than anybody, I mean,
666
00:40:03,815 --> 00:40:06,334
for their whole lives
it's about managing risk.
667
00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:09,199
[Nick] That's why they're
so great to deal with.
668
00:40:09,337 --> 00:40:12,479
- Because they understand it intuitively.
- [Grant] Yeah.
669
00:40:12,617 --> 00:40:17,173
[Nick] So, right after this,
I've actually got a phone call
670
00:40:17,311 --> 00:40:19,831
with a really
forward-thinking farm.
671
00:40:19,969 --> 00:40:22,212
White Oak Pastures,
it's in Georgia.
672
00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:24,491
They're a carbon-negative farm.
673
00:40:24,629 --> 00:40:27,252
I called them last
week with no reason.
674
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:30,048
Like, I made up a reason to call
them, because I was in a bad mood.
675
00:40:30,186 --> 00:40:33,396
And I was just like, "I need to talk
to somebody positive right now."
676
00:40:33,534 --> 00:40:37,365
Completely the cultural
opposite of where we live,
677
00:40:37,504 --> 00:40:40,299
and yet, like, I'm
like, why is someone
678
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,819
not making a documentary
about these people?
679
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,478
[cattle lowing]
680
00:40:47,375 --> 00:40:49,826
[acoustic guitar strumming]
681
00:40:57,178 --> 00:40:58,697
[cattle lowing and snorting]
682
00:40:58,835 --> 00:41:00,458
[hooves clopping]
683
00:41:06,291 --> 00:41:11,158
I mean, I'd like to get those
south, catch them in the triangle.
684
00:41:11,296 --> 00:41:14,610
And then shoot them down,
maybe to Bermuda Bend.
685
00:41:14,748 --> 00:41:18,993
I'll check with Tyler to make sure their
fencing ain't going to be in the way.
686
00:41:19,131 --> 00:41:25,344
I wanted to talk to you about,
what got you on this path,
687
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,933
and whether it's possible
for other people.
688
00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:32,213
You know, 25 years ago, I didn't say,
"The food system is not resilient,
689
00:41:32,351 --> 00:41:34,595
I think I'll work on
making it resilient."
690
00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:36,079
That did not happen.
691
00:41:36,217 --> 00:41:39,220
I am the fourth
generation of my family
692
00:41:39,358 --> 00:41:42,292
to raise animals on this
farm in Bluffton, Georgia.
693
00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:47,953
And my father started the
process of industrializing,
694
00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,163
commoditizing, and
centralizing this farm.
695
00:41:51,301 --> 00:41:54,857
I farmed that way for 20 years.
696
00:41:54,995 --> 00:41:56,375
In the mid-'90s,
697
00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:59,171
I found that I had
become disillusioned
698
00:41:59,309 --> 00:42:01,898
with the excesses of
that farming system.
699
00:42:02,036 --> 00:42:05,868
So I started just very
gradually moving away from it.
700
00:42:06,006 --> 00:42:10,631
For me, the first
canary in the coal mine
701
00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:13,151
was animal welfare.
702
00:42:13,289 --> 00:42:18,397
Really, it's incumbent
upon me, as the herdsman,
703
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:23,541
to give the animals the opportunity
to express instinctive behavior.
704
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:26,751
And you can't do that in
the confinement model.
705
00:42:26,889 --> 00:42:31,410
These cattle out here, walking and
grazing is instinctive behavior.
706
00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:35,311
Those chickens right there, scratching
and pecking is instinctive behavior.
707
00:42:35,449 --> 00:42:38,590
Those hogs in that swamp over
there that's rooting and wallowing,
708
00:42:38,728 --> 00:42:40,316
that's instinctive behavior.
709
00:42:40,454 --> 00:42:45,010
Over a 20-year period, the
organic matter in our soil
710
00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:48,669
has gone from about half
a percent to five percent.
711
00:42:48,807 --> 00:42:53,847
And by the way, all that carbon came from
greenhouse gasses that used to be up there,
712
00:42:53,985 --> 00:42:58,127
that got, through photosynthesis and
microbial activity and animal activity,
713
00:42:58,265 --> 00:42:59,991
got marooned in the soil.
714
00:43:00,129 --> 00:43:03,235
I saw my land go from
a dead mineral medium
715
00:43:03,373 --> 00:43:07,481
to an organic medium
that's teeming with life.
716
00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:10,967
Everything is tied
to everything else.
717
00:43:11,105 --> 00:43:13,349
I don't think of this
farm as a factory.
718
00:43:13,487 --> 00:43:16,076
I think of it as an organism.
719
00:43:19,527 --> 00:43:23,946
[Steve] We're at a turning point in
this business, as far as I'm concerned.
720
00:43:24,084 --> 00:43:25,844
It is a broken pricing system.
721
00:43:25,982 --> 00:43:27,535
Call where you do business
722
00:43:27,674 --> 00:43:30,331
and ask them to call the
senators and representatives.
723
00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:35,026
Sign that petition, stand up for your
rights. We are bringing attention to it.
724
00:43:35,164 --> 00:43:38,029
[Ruth] So, if there is one
thing you could explain
725
00:43:38,167 --> 00:43:41,722
to the American consumer about
your business, what would it be?
726
00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:45,346
I would like the American
consumer to understand that
727
00:43:45,484 --> 00:43:49,385
the person that does all the
work and has all the investment
728
00:43:49,523 --> 00:43:54,735
is doing it literally for nothing, and
the middlemen are getting all the money.
729
00:43:56,461 --> 00:43:57,945
The system's so monopolized.
730
00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:00,327
This packer takes these yards,
731
00:44:00,465 --> 00:44:03,123
and this packer takes
this area of this state.
732
00:44:03,261 --> 00:44:06,540
And nobody else comes
in and messes with them.
733
00:44:06,678 --> 00:44:09,094
I mean, how would it
work, in your dream world?
734
00:44:09,232 --> 00:44:14,755
I would like them to break up the
Big Four, like we did in 1917.
735
00:44:14,893 --> 00:44:19,933
I would like to start with the two
that are majority foreign-owned.
736
00:44:20,071 --> 00:44:24,454
I want government to police
a level playing field.
737
00:44:24,592 --> 00:44:29,667
Then let us fight it out on the economies
of scale and efficiency among ourselves,
738
00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:32,290
and let the best people
win and stay in business.
739
00:44:32,428 --> 00:44:34,050
That's America.
740
00:44:34,188 --> 00:44:35,949
[Eric] Perhaps the
most important person
741
00:44:36,087 --> 00:44:39,918
for the continued sustainability and
viability of American agriculture
742
00:44:40,056 --> 00:44:42,783
and the welfare of
the American farmer
743
00:44:42,921 --> 00:44:45,959
is not the Secretary of
Agriculture, but is in fact
744
00:44:46,097 --> 00:44:50,066
who is in the Department of Justice
and their antitrust regulatory unit.
745
00:44:50,204 --> 00:44:54,381
That person is going to matter a lot as to
whether or not we get an ever more concentrated,
746
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:56,314
more consolidated food system,
747
00:44:56,452 --> 00:44:59,938
or start paying farmers more fairly
for the products that they produce.
748
00:45:00,076 --> 00:45:04,771
[Steve] I would like to have smaller
beef plants every 300, 400 miles.
749
00:45:04,909 --> 00:45:10,466
If one went down, it would be two, three
percent of the daily slaughter, not 15%.
750
00:45:10,604 --> 00:45:13,193
I would like producers to
own those packing plants.
751
00:45:13,331 --> 00:45:17,991
I think that would be better for
states and communities and producers.
752
00:45:18,129 --> 00:45:20,131
[cattle lowing]
753
00:45:26,827 --> 00:45:30,072
[Ruth] Do you still have to depend
on the big packing companies?
754
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:32,799
Well, ultimately
I made the choice
755
00:45:32,937 --> 00:45:35,940
to build slaughterhouses
on my farm,
756
00:45:36,078 --> 00:45:38,114
which at that time
was unheard of.
757
00:45:38,252 --> 00:45:42,601
I was blessed, I had equity, I was
left the farm, I was not hand-to-mouth.
758
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:45,294
So I could lose money
for a while, and I did.
759
00:45:45,432 --> 00:45:49,436
And now I have about
$7.2 million invested
760
00:45:49,574 --> 00:45:54,165
in further processing
infrastructure.
761
00:45:54,303 --> 00:45:56,926
You know, the front
side of my card says,
762
00:45:57,064 --> 00:46:00,274
"land steward and herdsman."
763
00:46:00,412 --> 00:46:04,278
It don't say "meat processor,"
cuz I don't like that part.
764
00:46:04,416 --> 00:46:07,937
It don't say "marketer,"
cuz I don't like that part.
765
00:46:08,075 --> 00:46:11,251
So... but I'm all those things.
766
00:46:11,389 --> 00:46:15,634
[Ruth] How big do you envision
White Oak Pastures becoming?
767
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:19,777
[Will] What we do here
is not highly scalable.
768
00:46:19,915 --> 00:46:21,709
But it's highly replicatable.
769
00:46:21,848 --> 00:46:26,853
There could and should be one or
two or three White Oak Pastures
770
00:46:26,991 --> 00:46:30,822
in every agricultural
county in this country.
771
00:46:33,445 --> 00:46:35,171
It's an amazing
thing that you do,
772
00:46:35,309 --> 00:46:39,210
where you train people
to farm the way you do.
773
00:46:39,348 --> 00:46:45,009
[Bren] So I believe in scale, but it's not scale
through size, it's scale through replication.
774
00:46:45,147 --> 00:46:48,357
[Ruth] What made
you start GreenWave?
775
00:46:48,495 --> 00:46:50,290
[Bren] I was doing
well with kelp,
776
00:46:50,428 --> 00:46:54,432
and so GreenWave was the way to
just create this organization,
777
00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:59,368
which is built on sharing, on
building knowledge networks.
778
00:46:59,506 --> 00:47:02,129
Our backs are against the
wall, we have to innovate.
779
00:47:02,267 --> 00:47:04,856
We've got a program
called Project GreenWave,
780
00:47:04,994 --> 00:47:09,240
where we hire inner-city kids to
package, cook, process all of our food.
781
00:47:09,378 --> 00:47:12,588
They learn about 3D farming,
they learn about sustainability.
782
00:47:12,726 --> 00:47:16,626
I was getting pressured to become,
like, the kelp king, right?
783
00:47:16,764 --> 00:47:19,146
And everybody was like,
"franchise your model,"
784
00:47:19,284 --> 00:47:21,484
and, like, all these sharks
from Wall Street were coming
785
00:47:21,562 --> 00:47:24,911
and telling me that there
was huge opportunities.
786
00:47:25,049 --> 00:47:27,741
And, I mean, what's
my metric to success?
787
00:47:27,879 --> 00:47:33,885
It's having 10,000 climate
resilient farmers on the ocean.
788
00:47:34,023 --> 00:47:35,783
Like, that'll make me die happy.
789
00:47:35,922 --> 00:47:38,856
It started out, this little
kind of tiny, you know,
790
00:47:38,994 --> 00:47:41,099
we're training eight,
ten farmers a year,
791
00:47:41,237 --> 00:47:44,482
southern New England, really small,
so that's what it was going to be.
792
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:49,004
And then 8,000 people signed up
for farmer training on the website.
793
00:47:49,142 --> 00:47:53,180
When people think regenerative ocean farming,
hopefully this would be their starting place.
794
00:47:53,318 --> 00:47:57,081
[Ruth] It's really interesting,
because every restaurant in America
795
00:47:57,219 --> 00:47:59,014
is complaining that
they can't get workers,
796
00:47:59,152 --> 00:48:01,740
because people just don't
want to do bad jobs anymore.
797
00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:05,952
[Bren] I mean, God forbid we
gave people a taste of agency
798
00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:07,125
and beauty.
799
00:48:07,263 --> 00:48:09,887
Right? Whoops!
800
00:48:10,025 --> 00:48:12,993
Like, wow, that's
really too bad.
801
00:48:15,099 --> 00:48:17,964
[Ruth] There are a lot of
people who are questioning,
802
00:48:18,102 --> 00:48:20,932
do they want to go back to
things the way they used to be,
803
00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:22,761
and you're offering
an alternative.
804
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:26,213
And it's so funny, people from all
over the industry are emailing me,
805
00:48:26,351 --> 00:48:29,907
like all of a sudden I've become like
an expert on co-ops, and I'm not.
806
00:48:30,045 --> 00:48:31,805
You know, I'm just
learning. [laughs]
807
00:48:31,943 --> 00:48:35,464
I have to figure it out, so that
other people can follow suit.
808
00:48:35,602 --> 00:48:37,086
But people are interested.
809
00:48:39,399 --> 00:48:43,023
Food is a gateway for
learning about so many things,
810
00:48:43,161 --> 00:48:47,786
from culture to the way that
communities have survived,
811
00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:49,961
to the way that we
build community.
812
00:48:50,099 --> 00:48:54,103
And it really wasn't just about
feeding myself, I learned.
813
00:48:54,241 --> 00:48:55,967
It was about feeding others.
814
00:48:56,105 --> 00:49:00,523
It was like in feeding
others that I felt satiated.
815
00:49:02,249 --> 00:49:04,734
Restaurants are more
than just restaurants.
816
00:49:04,872 --> 00:49:11,707
We are these third spaces that
are just more than a transaction.
817
00:49:11,845 --> 00:49:15,228
I love restaurants, I hope
they continue to exist.
818
00:49:15,366 --> 00:49:19,611
But I feel like a lot more people have
to reimagine what hospitality looks like.
819
00:49:19,749 --> 00:49:22,097
The, like, true
meaning of the word.
820
00:49:25,272 --> 00:49:27,343
[Ruth] My parents
didn't care about food,
821
00:49:27,481 --> 00:49:29,173
but they loved restaurants.
822
00:49:29,311 --> 00:49:31,761
We went out to eat a lot.
823
00:49:31,899 --> 00:49:36,007
My father was German, and he
was 26 when he came to America.
824
00:49:36,145 --> 00:49:37,802
We lived near Luchow's,
825
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:41,012
and we went to Luchow's at least
once a week when I was growing up.
826
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:45,844
And I saw with that that it
was how my father went home.
827
00:49:45,983 --> 00:49:49,641
My father's office was above one
of those little French restaurants
828
00:49:49,779 --> 00:49:51,471
in New York called the Dubonnet.
829
00:49:51,609 --> 00:49:55,751
And we had a waiter,
Max, who was our waiter,
830
00:49:55,889 --> 00:49:59,272
and my parents were always in
a good mood when we went there.
831
00:49:59,410 --> 00:50:01,101
Max would take me
into the kitchen
832
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,312
and get me to learn
what spices tasted like.
833
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:11,422
And that was just a place that I
loved and felt really happy in.
834
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,738
And my mother was enchanted with
Restaurant Associates' Joe Baum.
835
00:50:17,876 --> 00:50:23,123
Joe Baum was the great maestro of
American restaurants in the '50s and '60s.
836
00:50:23,261 --> 00:50:26,195
I mean, he invented the
Four Seasons restaurant,
837
00:50:26,333 --> 00:50:28,508
the Twelve Caesars,
La Fonda del Sol.
838
00:50:28,646 --> 00:50:32,236
He redid the Rainbow Room. I mean,
he did these restaurants as drama.
839
00:50:32,374 --> 00:50:36,654
Joe Baum is the one who brought
the large peppermill to the table,
840
00:50:36,792 --> 00:50:40,106
and also is responsible
for, "Hi, my name is..."
841
00:50:40,244 --> 00:50:43,764
He was a showman, and my
mother loved his restaurants.
842
00:50:43,902 --> 00:50:47,906
And we couldn't afford to go to
places like the Four Seasons,
843
00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:49,943
but we would go
and have a drink,
844
00:50:50,081 --> 00:50:53,740
and then we would go to the Automat
or something for dinner afterwards.
845
00:50:55,776 --> 00:51:01,437
So I thought of restaurants as
places that connected you to home,
846
00:51:01,575 --> 00:51:04,751
places where people were happy,
847
00:51:04,889 --> 00:51:09,376
and places that gave you a chance
to be someone else for a while.
848
00:51:09,514 --> 00:51:13,380
I mean, I watched my mother walk into
the Four Seasons, and she was just...
849
00:51:13,518 --> 00:51:17,074
you know, she was a rich
woman for a little while.
850
00:51:17,212 --> 00:51:18,661
The funny thing is,
851
00:51:18,799 --> 00:51:21,112
when I got to the New York
Times as a restaurant critic,
852
00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:25,012
my job was actually to eat at
many of these expensive places.
853
00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:28,878
I wanted to keep my
identity a secret,
854
00:51:29,016 --> 00:51:32,296
so I invented various
personalities.
855
00:51:32,434 --> 00:51:34,170
[Tom] This is not the real
Ruth that we're seeing.
856
00:51:34,194 --> 00:51:36,472
No, I actually do not
have carrot-red hair.
857
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:39,786
When you go to restaurants as
a critic, are you disguised?
858
00:51:39,924 --> 00:51:42,478
- Yes, but... - All the time?
- Not all the time.
859
00:51:42,616 --> 00:51:46,448
When I first got to New
York, I went to Le Cirque.
860
00:51:46,586 --> 00:51:50,935
And everybody went there, all the
ex-presidents went there, it was a big scene.
861
00:51:51,073 --> 00:51:53,627
I wrote one review as
the restaurant critic
862
00:51:53,765 --> 00:51:55,767
of the New York Times,
and what happens,
863
00:51:55,905 --> 00:52:00,462
and I wrote another
review as Ms. Nobody.
864
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,878
He had had four stars.
I took a star away.
865
00:52:03,016 --> 00:52:07,193
I said, "The food was very good, but
you cannot treat people that way."
866
00:52:07,331 --> 00:52:09,160
There's still this
voice inside me saying,
867
00:52:09,298 --> 00:52:13,164
"Yeah, but all you're really doing is
telling rich people where to go eat."
868
00:52:13,302 --> 00:52:16,892
And, um, if I had thought
869
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:20,309
that was all I had done with my
life, it would make me very sad.
870
00:52:26,488 --> 00:52:28,697
[crow cawing]
871
00:52:28,835 --> 00:52:30,940
[birds singing]
872
00:52:31,078 --> 00:52:33,253
[Angela] When my
husband's dad was farming,
873
00:52:33,391 --> 00:52:36,014
they did the oats and the
wheats and the pearl millets.
874
00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:37,740
And we just got away from it.
875
00:52:37,878 --> 00:52:40,709
And using chemistry to take
care of our weed problems.
876
00:52:40,847 --> 00:52:45,369
So, I'm guessing that you were
the one who wanted to go organic.
877
00:52:45,507 --> 00:52:47,233
[laughing]
878
00:52:47,371 --> 00:52:49,545
Yes, it makes all the
sense in the world.
879
00:52:49,683 --> 00:52:52,997
It's just, it's very scary,
because we don't farm like that.
880
00:52:53,135 --> 00:52:54,826
Well, you were
ahead of your time.
881
00:52:54,964 --> 00:52:57,174
[Angela] I don't know
if my family thought so.
882
00:52:57,312 --> 00:52:59,348
- I got a list.
- A list?
883
00:52:59,486 --> 00:53:00,522
I do.
884
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:01,868
Okay, so last year,
885
00:53:02,006 --> 00:53:04,526
the field that had the
greatest contribution margin
886
00:53:04,664 --> 00:53:06,113
was the organic.
887
00:53:06,252 --> 00:53:10,048
The field that had one of the
lowest yields was the organic.
888
00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:11,774
So it's not all about yield.
889
00:53:11,912 --> 00:53:16,123
My husband and I struggle a
lot, because he's a numbers man,
890
00:53:16,262 --> 00:53:19,955
and it's all about yield, and how
much money you're going to make.
891
00:53:20,093 --> 00:53:25,616
Whereas like, well, maybe if you got
your soils in a little better condition,
892
00:53:25,754 --> 00:53:27,756
you would get that
yield that you want.
893
00:53:27,894 --> 00:53:30,103
[Kerry] It was bad, I can tell.
894
00:53:30,241 --> 00:53:32,416
It didn't tank.
895
00:53:33,555 --> 00:53:34,901
It wasn't perfect.
896
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:36,247
Okay, next thing.
897
00:53:36,385 --> 00:53:37,455
[Angela] It takes time,
898
00:53:37,593 --> 00:53:39,285
and that's a huge
problem with farmers,
899
00:53:39,423 --> 00:53:42,253
that they want everything
in that one-season window,
900
00:53:42,391 --> 00:53:44,324
and it doesn't work that
way with soil health.
901
00:53:44,462 --> 00:53:49,674
The only thing I was wanting
to bring up was goals.
902
00:53:49,812 --> 00:53:53,471
Because I don't think we're all on the
same page in that, and I think it'll help.
903
00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:58,235
It's a tough road. We've had
a lot of heated discussions.
904
00:53:59,546 --> 00:54:02,825
We would not be organic if
I hadn't done it myself.
905
00:54:02,963 --> 00:54:04,413
I planted the field.
906
00:54:04,551 --> 00:54:07,865
I mean, I made sure
it got in that year.
907
00:54:08,003 --> 00:54:13,319
You know, it's their name that gets
run through the mud if things go bad.
908
00:54:13,457 --> 00:54:15,562
It's not the wives,
it's the guy.
909
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:19,497
They can't separate themselves, where
we can go hide in our kitchen. [laughs]
910
00:54:19,635 --> 00:54:21,223
[Ruth laughs]
911
00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:31,716
[contemplative music playing]
912
00:54:36,618 --> 00:54:40,967
This is a family business,
but it's not just our family.
913
00:54:41,105 --> 00:54:45,316
You know, we have 120 families
that I'm responsible for.
914
00:54:45,454 --> 00:54:49,527
And we have an amazing
crew of seasonal staff,
915
00:54:49,665 --> 00:54:55,153
many whom have been with
us for over 25 years.
916
00:54:55,292 --> 00:54:58,398
And I have been keenly aware
917
00:54:58,536 --> 00:55:03,023
of attempts at immigration
reform over the past 30 years.
918
00:55:03,161 --> 00:55:06,303
H-2A is a visa program
we use here on the farm,
919
00:55:06,441 --> 00:55:10,893
and it is the only
legal avenue we have
920
00:55:11,031 --> 00:55:14,380
for seasonal agricultural
workers in the United States.
921
00:55:14,518 --> 00:55:17,486
Americans will not do this work.
922
00:55:17,624 --> 00:55:20,317
We're either going
to have foreign folks
923
00:55:20,455 --> 00:55:23,320
and allow them to come in
and do this type of work,
924
00:55:23,458 --> 00:55:26,875
or we'll round up all
11 million undocumented,
925
00:55:27,013 --> 00:55:29,981
we'll send them all back,
we'll seal up the border,
926
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,708
and then we will
import all of our food,
927
00:55:32,846 --> 00:55:37,230
from where the wage
is $6 to $8 a day.
928
00:55:37,368 --> 00:55:40,095
And then we compete
with that here.
929
00:55:40,233 --> 00:55:42,408
That model doesn't work.
930
00:55:42,546 --> 00:55:47,067
Society has to make
some of these choices.
931
00:55:47,205 --> 00:55:52,038
Are we willing to pay more for quality
food that we know is grown right,
932
00:55:52,176 --> 00:55:55,593
and socially
responsible, or not?
933
00:55:55,731 --> 00:55:58,251
So, what's important?
Make a choice.
934
00:56:00,909 --> 00:56:06,639
[reporter] Families lined up to get fresh farm
food outside of the Maplewood YMCA yesterday.
935
00:56:06,777 --> 00:56:09,055
It's all part of a
program through the USDA.
936
00:56:09,193 --> 00:56:12,576
And the hope is to ease the
pandemic's burden on families,
937
00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:16,131
and getting farmers'
produce where it's needed.
938
00:56:16,269 --> 00:56:19,134
[Bob] The USDA Farm to
Families Program right now
939
00:56:19,272 --> 00:56:22,482
is providing an unbelievable
help on cash flow.
940
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:28,108
If we had not gotten those contracts, we
would have had to furlough more people.
941
00:56:29,869 --> 00:56:34,287
This is buying time to allow
the restaurants to come back.
942
00:56:34,425 --> 00:56:37,635
We're waiting to see if we get
a renewal on the new program.
943
00:56:37,773 --> 00:56:39,430
I can't imagine you won't.
944
00:56:39,568 --> 00:56:43,261
[Bob] Until I have that contract
in my hand, I'm not sleeping well.
945
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,714
So if you don't get the contract,
will you have to furlough people?
946
00:56:47,852 --> 00:56:49,406
Yes.
947
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,967
[Ruth] You're on
hiatus for a bit.
948
00:56:59,105 --> 00:57:01,314
We're not opening, you know,
the doors to our place,
949
00:57:01,452 --> 00:57:03,109
you know, we don't
have an outdoor space.
950
00:57:03,247 --> 00:57:05,698
But I actually have something
really exciting to share.
951
00:57:05,836 --> 00:57:10,703
We're looking at an outdoor venue to
do a pop-up. Come on and follow me.
952
00:57:10,841 --> 00:57:16,709
Once they're in here, there'll be someone here
to give them their amuse and their cocktails.
953
00:57:16,847 --> 00:57:20,160
Remind them not to
mingle with other people.
954
00:57:23,267 --> 00:57:24,751
So that's our dining room.
955
00:57:24,889 --> 00:57:27,340
You guys follow me, this is
where we're going to meet.
956
00:57:28,962 --> 00:57:31,206
I do want to be more grown-up
than Porridge & Puffs.
957
00:57:31,344 --> 00:57:33,657
I do want it to be a tiny
little bit more formal.
958
00:57:33,795 --> 00:57:35,003
But we have to be warm.
959
00:57:35,141 --> 00:57:37,315
Never, ever, ever be aloof.
960
00:57:37,454 --> 00:57:41,872
I love fine dining, but my biggest
complaint is, it's always so sterile.
961
00:57:42,010 --> 00:57:47,015
We can be cerebral and smart
and warm at the same time.
962
00:57:54,712 --> 00:57:57,474
[Ruth] Let me ask you
a practical question.
963
00:57:57,612 --> 00:57:58,889
[Karen] Sure, yes.
964
00:57:59,027 --> 00:58:01,995
[Ruth] How do you get more farms
965
00:58:02,133 --> 00:58:04,101
by Black people
in New York state?
966
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:05,999
Okay, easy question.
967
00:58:06,137 --> 00:58:08,381
I tell people, give
us three things.
968
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:11,073
Give us the opportunity to farm,
969
00:58:11,211 --> 00:58:13,662
give us the land to farm,
970
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,735
give us the capital
and resources to farm.
971
00:58:17,873 --> 00:58:23,051
Where I farm now, the Chester
Agricultural Center, perfect example.
972
00:58:23,189 --> 00:58:26,710
My farm, Rise & Root Farm,
we have three acres of land.
973
00:58:26,848 --> 00:58:30,541
We grow food, we have farm
tours, we have school groups.
974
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,200
People from the city come
up to see four women...
975
00:58:34,338 --> 00:58:39,826
two are women of color, two are
white, three of us are LGBTQ women.
976
00:58:39,964 --> 00:58:44,175
And so we run the gamut of
what America looks like.
977
00:58:45,625 --> 00:58:48,801
I run a low-income farmer's
market in the Bronx.
978
00:58:48,939 --> 00:58:50,872
We're going into our 19th year.
979
00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:53,426
And it took a long
time, first of all,
980
00:58:53,564 --> 00:58:57,050
to build trust with the
people in my neighborhood,
981
00:58:57,188 --> 00:58:59,536
because in a low-income
neighborhood,
982
00:58:59,674 --> 00:59:03,850
there is the soup kitchens
and food pantries,
983
00:59:03,988 --> 00:59:08,061
the fast food, the processed
food, the junk food.
984
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:13,411
Then I had to educate that I'm
the farmer, I grew the food,
985
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:17,450
and I have to pay bills, and
I have to feed my family,
986
00:59:17,588 --> 00:59:19,176
and I have to buy the seeds.
987
00:59:19,314 --> 00:59:21,903
And so there's a cost
and value of food.
988
00:59:22,041 --> 00:59:24,491
Because no one talks
to them about that.
989
00:59:28,772 --> 00:59:31,775
[Lee] I mean, the costs
are going to be huge
990
00:59:31,913 --> 00:59:34,674
if we plant the product and the
restaurants aren't ramped up.
991
00:59:34,812 --> 00:59:37,884
It's a matter of trying
to time... you know?
992
00:59:38,022 --> 00:59:39,862
Well, we're going to
plant as if they are open,
993
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:42,648
and if they're not open, we're
going to take it on the chin.
994
00:59:42,786 --> 00:59:46,444
Last time we spoke, you were
waiting to hear whether or not
995
00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:52,243
you were going to get back into
the Farmer to Families Program.
996
00:59:52,381 --> 00:59:53,866
- Mm-hm.
- Did you?
997
00:59:54,004 --> 00:59:55,764
- No.
- You're kidding.
998
00:59:55,902 --> 00:59:57,973
[Bob] No.
999
00:59:58,111 --> 01:00:03,427
USDA came in and said, "the only box offer
that we'll take is a combination box."
1000
01:00:03,565 --> 01:00:08,915
Sysco got 32 states. Yeah, all
the small guys got shut out.
1001
01:00:16,992 --> 01:00:20,789
The fresh produce that they're
getting in the boxes that I saw
1002
01:00:20,927 --> 01:00:23,896
were a bag of apples
and a bag of potatoes.
1003
01:00:24,034 --> 01:00:27,900
They were getting fresh, leafy
greens from us. So we're out.
1004
01:00:28,038 --> 01:00:30,868
But this is supposed to
be bailing farmers out.
1005
01:00:31,006 --> 01:00:33,871
I mean, it's not supposed
to be bailing Sysco out.
1006
01:00:34,009 --> 01:00:37,944
- [Bob] Right.
- Things are driving me crazy, I'm taking them off.
1007
01:00:38,082 --> 01:00:41,361
[Bob] You know, we were really
counting on that contract,
1008
01:00:41,499 --> 01:00:44,779
to do what the program
really intended.
1009
01:00:44,917 --> 01:00:48,058
Farm to Families
Food Box Program.
1010
01:00:48,196 --> 01:00:51,475
Help the farm, help
those families...
1011
01:00:51,613 --> 01:00:53,166
and then they changed it.
1012
01:00:53,304 --> 01:00:55,513
In this last round
of food boxes,
1013
01:00:55,652 --> 01:01:00,587
if you do not include the
letter from Donald Trump
1014
01:01:00,726 --> 01:01:03,521
and the White House in the
box, you don't get paid.
1015
01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:07,491
- No.
- [Bob] The letter has to be included in the box.
1016
01:01:07,629 --> 01:01:09,493
It's a disaster.
1017
01:01:11,495 --> 01:01:14,394
[Lee] We were counting on that,
so we planted up for that.
1018
01:01:14,532 --> 01:01:17,535
We have to make a decision as to
how much to leave in the field.
1019
01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:22,782
We cannot spend the dollars, because we
don't have them right now, to harvest that
1020
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,716
and store it and
then throw it away.
1021
01:01:25,854 --> 01:01:31,135
We have several million people in New York
City alone that are going to bed hungry.
1022
01:01:31,273 --> 01:01:37,210
And here we are just a handful of hours down
the road, with the product in the field.
1023
01:01:43,872 --> 01:01:46,254
120 families here
1024
01:01:46,392 --> 01:01:50,672
that we don't know how we
can keep on the payroll.
1025
01:01:50,810 --> 01:01:57,714
We're not smart enough as a society to
work together to connect those dots.
1026
01:02:07,413 --> 01:02:09,484
I don't know what to say.
1027
01:02:09,622 --> 01:02:12,590
We're trying every
way we know how, Ruth.
1028
01:02:15,455 --> 01:02:16,767
The chefs are in trouble.
1029
01:02:16,905 --> 01:02:20,944
It's a ripple-down effect,
and it's a struggle.
1030
01:02:24,292 --> 01:02:26,328
You can't do it all.
1031
01:02:26,466 --> 01:02:27,951
You can't.
1032
01:02:28,089 --> 01:02:30,988
Uh... this is, this
is a societal problem.
1033
01:02:31,126 --> 01:02:34,026
You know, this is, this
is all of our failure.
1034
01:02:34,164 --> 01:02:35,475
All of us.
1035
01:03:15,481 --> 01:03:18,553
When we were in our twenties
and we all moved to California,
1036
01:03:18,691 --> 01:03:22,005
you know, the idea was, we
would follow our passions.
1037
01:03:22,143 --> 01:03:24,317
You know, you only
go through life once.
1038
01:03:24,455 --> 01:03:28,666
We weren't going to be
beholden to corporate America.
1039
01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:32,360
Um, you could live really
on nothing in those days.
1040
01:03:32,498 --> 01:03:35,846
We all bought that house
together, that group of us.
1041
01:03:35,984 --> 01:03:40,609
I mean, Doug and my share
of the rent was $45 a month.
1042
01:03:40,747 --> 01:03:43,026
We raised half our own food,
1043
01:03:43,164 --> 01:03:44,648
and, you know, there were
1044
01:03:44,786 --> 01:03:48,859
15 people for dinner every
night and we split the cost.
1045
01:03:48,997 --> 01:03:51,172
- Yeah.
- It was really cheap.
1046
01:03:51,310 --> 01:03:54,554
And I don't think you
can do that anymore.
1047
01:03:56,729 --> 01:03:58,075
We're so spoiled.
1048
01:03:58,213 --> 01:04:01,182
We're used to
everything, all the time.
1049
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,805
That's the thing
that's missing, is...
1050
01:04:03,943 --> 01:04:07,498
Oh, God, I didn't leave the
beans on the fire, did I?
1051
01:04:08,879 --> 01:04:11,502
Did you? [laughing]
1052
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,298
- [Alice] Yes...
- [Ruth laughs]
1053
01:04:53,613 --> 01:04:57,341
Can I ask a really stupid
question? Are you a good cook?
1054
01:04:57,479 --> 01:05:00,586
- Yeah, I am a good cook.
- [laughing]
1055
01:05:00,724 --> 01:05:05,453
I'm not a great cook, I'm not a
trained, you know, I'm not a "chef."
1056
01:05:05,591 --> 01:05:09,457
But I have, I started... So
like, the cover of my first book,
1057
01:05:09,595 --> 01:05:12,460
Tender at the Bone, is a
picture of me cooking at 7.
1058
01:05:12,598 --> 01:05:14,876
I've always loved to cook.
1059
01:05:15,014 --> 01:05:16,014
[Bren] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1060
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,500
[Ruth] It's what
I do, you know,
1061
01:05:18,638 --> 01:05:21,987
when I am sad, or in trouble.
1062
01:05:22,125 --> 01:05:23,954
- I go into the kitchen.
- [Bren] Yeah, yeah.
1063
01:05:24,092 --> 01:05:26,577
[Ruth] It's my best place.
1064
01:05:28,717 --> 01:05:33,481
I feel like I've sort of spent my
whole life working up to this project.
1065
01:05:33,619 --> 01:05:35,966
- Really?
- Yeah, yeah.
1066
01:05:36,104 --> 01:05:39,107
It also makes me feel
like a terrible failure,
1067
01:05:39,245 --> 01:05:43,008
that we didn't fix this.
1068
01:05:43,146 --> 01:05:45,493
We were talking about
the concentration
1069
01:05:45,631 --> 01:05:49,255
in the food industry
in the early '70s.
1070
01:05:49,393 --> 01:05:52,949
And we just let it
happen, you know?
1071
01:05:53,087 --> 01:05:55,192
This wave came over us,
1072
01:05:55,330 --> 01:06:00,611
and we got sidetracked by
"deliciousness," you know.
1073
01:06:00,749 --> 01:06:05,582
You know, a whole group of us who
started out with the politics of food,
1074
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,309
and then became cooks,
and opened restaurants,
1075
01:06:08,447 --> 01:06:14,625
and let this really
egregious thing take hold.
1076
01:06:14,763 --> 01:06:16,627
And we should have
been fighting it.
1077
01:06:16,765 --> 01:06:19,389
We should have been
fighting it tooth and nail,
1078
01:06:19,527 --> 01:06:22,564
the moment we saw it
coming over the horizon.
1079
01:06:22,702 --> 01:06:26,327
And we just let it happen.
1080
01:06:26,465 --> 01:06:32,022
And I feel, you know, culpable
and devastated by that.
1081
01:07:03,088 --> 01:07:05,262
What is the weather
supposed to be Sunday?
1082
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,161
- I mean, Saturday...
- Just cold.
1083
01:07:07,299 --> 01:07:11,751
Just cold, but, I mean,
hopefully it won't be iced over.
1084
01:07:21,106 --> 01:07:23,625
[Ruth] What do you guys
do this time of year?
1085
01:07:23,763 --> 01:07:25,455
[Angela] Well, we've
been hauling bales.
1086
01:07:25,593 --> 01:07:28,044
So there's a lot of cattle
feeders around here.
1087
01:07:28,182 --> 01:07:30,080
They'll use it for
bedding for cattle.
1088
01:07:30,218 --> 01:07:32,393
So the guys have
been busy with that.
1089
01:07:32,531 --> 01:07:34,015
I did some hauling yesterday,
1090
01:07:34,153 --> 01:07:37,570
and then just kind of
getting ready for taxes,
1091
01:07:37,708 --> 01:07:40,608
because I'm so behind. [laughs]
1092
01:07:40,746 --> 01:07:45,268
And then, all the seed people, the chemical
people, they come knocking at your door.
1093
01:07:45,406 --> 01:07:50,376
To get the biggest discounts, you have to buy
the inputs in October, November, December,
1094
01:07:50,514 --> 01:07:53,759
and we won't be using
them until April or later.
1095
01:07:53,897 --> 01:07:58,419
But you have to put that money out up
front so you can get that big discount.
1096
01:07:58,557 --> 01:08:00,110
That seems so unfair.
1097
01:08:00,248 --> 01:08:01,594
Yeah.
1098
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,293
[Ruth] How are things
going with your husband?
1099
01:08:10,431 --> 01:08:15,298
[Angela] Well, working with
Kerry's been challenging,
1100
01:08:15,436 --> 01:08:17,300
but also rewarding.
1101
01:08:17,438 --> 01:08:19,681
I mean, when we do disagree,
1102
01:08:19,819 --> 01:08:22,650
we, uh, disagree
respectfully most of the time
1103
01:08:22,788 --> 01:08:27,103
and try to keep it, you
know, it's about the farm.
1104
01:08:27,241 --> 01:08:29,174
It's not personal between us.
1105
01:08:29,312 --> 01:08:30,761
And it's about a practice.
1106
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:32,591
But it is getting better.
1107
01:08:32,729 --> 01:08:35,145
And it does help that
the boys are older now
1108
01:08:35,283 --> 01:08:37,285
and they're in the conversation.
1109
01:08:40,046 --> 01:08:44,327
[Ruth] My husband has been in
the hospital, so I've been...
1110
01:08:44,465 --> 01:08:45,983
- What happened?
- [Ruth] Um...
1111
01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:49,055
He got very dehydrated and
then his kidneys failed.
1112
01:08:49,194 --> 01:08:53,405
- Oh, no. Is that...
- He's home.
1113
01:08:53,543 --> 01:08:58,479
He came home yesterday,
but I'm not...
1114
01:08:58,617 --> 01:09:01,551
uh, totally on top
of things right now.
1115
01:09:01,689 --> 01:09:04,140
Is that going to be something
long-term that affects...
1116
01:09:04,278 --> 01:09:05,451
No, but it was really bad.
1117
01:09:05,589 --> 01:09:07,384
I mean, we didn't
realize how sick he was
1118
01:09:07,522 --> 01:09:11,008
until, you know,
it was really bad.
1119
01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:13,459
Were you able to go in
the hospital with him?
1120
01:09:13,597 --> 01:09:16,359
- No.
- Yeah, wow.
1121
01:09:16,497 --> 01:09:18,499
And, I mean, I want
to tell you, you know,
1122
01:09:18,637 --> 01:09:21,881
it's given me a
whole new perspective
1123
01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:26,196
on when they talk about these
COVID patients dying alone.
1124
01:09:26,334 --> 01:09:28,060
- Yeah.
- the hospital for almost a week.
1125
01:09:28,198 --> 01:09:31,995
They are so stressed,
they are so overworked.
1126
01:09:32,133 --> 01:09:34,825
I never once talked to a doctor.
1127
01:09:34,963 --> 01:09:36,793
- I mean...
- Wow.
1128
01:09:36,931 --> 01:09:38,933
And the nurses were really
lovely, but, you know,
1129
01:09:39,071 --> 01:09:41,729
they would call me when they
could to give me information.
1130
01:09:41,867 --> 01:09:46,734
And Michael was
terrified, alone.
1131
01:09:46,872 --> 01:09:49,564
Uh... It was horrible.
1132
01:09:49,702 --> 01:09:51,428
Really horrible.
1133
01:09:51,566 --> 01:09:56,571
You do not want to get sick in
the middle of a COVID crisis.
1134
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:57,917
Yeah, yeah.
1135
01:10:03,578 --> 01:10:06,616
[Ruth] So, are most of
your people still with you,
1136
01:10:06,754 --> 01:10:09,032
or have you had to
furlough a lot of people?
1137
01:10:09,170 --> 01:10:11,759
[Lee] We went from 167 to,
1138
01:10:11,897 --> 01:10:15,003
we're right about 95 right now.
1139
01:10:16,695 --> 01:10:19,525
I really hold myself
hugely responsible
1140
01:10:19,663 --> 01:10:22,390
for the financial
mess that we're in,
1141
01:10:22,528 --> 01:10:27,223
because I didn't create
enough of a diverse business,
1142
01:10:27,361 --> 01:10:32,987
not focused on just one
revenue stream of restaurants.
1143
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:36,577
Just... I got
blindsided by it.
1144
01:10:38,372 --> 01:10:41,029
Coronavirus, it's
a horrible thing.
1145
01:10:41,167 --> 01:10:43,618
You know, through this,
you have to maintain hope.
1146
01:10:43,756 --> 01:10:45,793
And we're going to find
new ways to do business.
1147
01:10:45,931 --> 01:10:49,486
It's going to be the new normal, and
we have to figure out what that is.
1148
01:10:57,494 --> 01:10:59,013
[Steve] How are you?
1149
01:10:59,151 --> 01:11:01,326
I'm pretty good, how are you?
1150
01:11:01,464 --> 01:11:03,707
I'm good, I think. It's
a little bit nasty here.
1151
01:11:03,845 --> 01:11:08,505
We got a bunch of ice and
snow, wet last night, so...
1152
01:11:08,643 --> 01:11:12,302
How much COVID is there
around you? Still really low?
1153
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:17,100
Oh, you know, we'd be low as far as,
just because the population's so low.
1154
01:11:17,238 --> 01:11:19,102
But honestly I think
our percentages here
1155
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,450
are probably higher than
yours where you live.
1156
01:11:22,588 --> 01:11:26,074
Probably because everybody here
just bored on with total disregard.
1157
01:11:27,455 --> 01:11:32,840
[Ruth] So, are you seeing any effect
of the election on your business?
1158
01:11:32,978 --> 01:11:35,843
[clicks tongue]
1159
01:11:35,981 --> 01:11:37,603
Uh...
1160
01:11:38,984 --> 01:11:40,537
I would probably say no.
1161
01:11:40,675 --> 01:11:43,057
I mean, the, the
effect it's having is,
1162
01:11:43,195 --> 01:11:49,926
is most cattle people are very
conservative and very to the right.
1163
01:11:50,064 --> 01:11:54,171
So, they're in a
poor mood about it.
1164
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:57,761
[laughing]
1165
01:11:57,899 --> 01:12:02,594
I think the Democrats have a
big burden in rural America.
1166
01:12:02,732 --> 01:12:05,666
[Steve] Well, and I'm going
to say this quite honestly,
1167
01:12:05,804 --> 01:12:10,843
ag does not necessarily flourish
under Republican administration.
1168
01:12:10,981 --> 01:12:14,675
Our lifestyle and
beliefs out here
1169
01:12:14,813 --> 01:12:18,851
is what makes everybody to be
so conservative, and regulation.
1170
01:12:18,989 --> 01:12:23,511
But quite honestly, ag probably is better
off under Democratic administrations,
1171
01:12:23,649 --> 01:12:25,996
if you look back over history.
1172
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:31,036
[Ruth] One of the
things that you bring up
1173
01:12:31,174 --> 01:12:35,040
is this rural/urban divide...
1174
01:12:35,178 --> 01:12:36,662
- Yep.
- And your fear
1175
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,943
that rural America is basically
going to be pushed off the map.
1176
01:12:42,081 --> 01:12:47,639
[Steve] These little towns, you know, the
town I live by, 6,500 people, it's all ag.
1177
01:12:47,777 --> 01:12:51,125
You know, those 50- to
100-head cowherd guys,
1178
01:12:51,263 --> 01:12:53,230
they get their stuff
repaired in town,
1179
01:12:53,369 --> 01:12:56,889
and they buy their pickups in
town, and they eat in town, and...
1180
01:12:57,027 --> 01:12:59,444
I mean, they support all
the local businesses.
1181
01:12:59,582 --> 01:13:02,757
You get to where you
have 800 to 1,000 cows,
1182
01:13:02,895 --> 01:13:05,933
you don't have to buy your
mineral from the local mill,
1183
01:13:06,071 --> 01:13:09,108
you can order it by a semi-load
from somewhere like Kansas City.
1184
01:13:09,246 --> 01:13:10,903
You can get your
medicine direct,
1185
01:13:11,041 --> 01:13:13,250
and you don't have to go
through a local retailer.
1186
01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:15,746
I mean, these towns are about
to dry up and blow away anyway,
1187
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:18,773
with just the migration
that ag has already took.
1188
01:13:18,911 --> 01:13:23,468
The kids out here, about all get
an excellent secondary education.
1189
01:13:23,606 --> 01:13:26,056
And then they have the
work ethic and the morals
1190
01:13:26,194 --> 01:13:28,162
that the companies
in the cities want.
1191
01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:32,408
And so, they pay them way more than
what they could stay here and make.
1192
01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:37,240
It's just a steady flow of
pushing everybody into city.
1193
01:13:37,378 --> 01:13:40,105
[Ruth] You said you
thought that next year,
1194
01:13:40,243 --> 01:13:43,833
10% of the cow/calf people around
you would be out of business.
1195
01:13:43,971 --> 01:13:45,869
Do you still think that?
1196
01:13:46,007 --> 01:13:48,354
[Steve] Yeah.
1197
01:13:48,493 --> 01:13:49,632
[wind buffeting]
1198
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:52,324
You know, there's a day
of reckoning coming.
1199
01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:09,375
[Will] Bluffton peaked
in population in 1900.
1200
01:14:09,514 --> 01:14:13,794
When I was growing up in the
'60s, Bluffton was still a town.
1201
01:14:13,932 --> 01:14:16,210
You know, it still
had stores, and...
1202
01:14:16,348 --> 01:14:18,626
but under the industrial
commodity scenario,
1203
01:14:18,764 --> 01:14:20,456
it atrophied and atrophied.
1204
01:14:20,594 --> 01:14:24,149
When it hit its bottom, which
was probably 10 or 15 years ago,
1205
01:14:24,287 --> 01:14:28,187
the town became
economically irrelevant.
1206
01:14:28,325 --> 01:14:33,365
But when we hired 100
and something young,
1207
01:14:33,503 --> 01:14:39,026
educated, passionate people
here and paid them well,
1208
01:14:39,164 --> 01:14:40,993
they needed a place
1209
01:14:41,131 --> 01:14:44,549
to eat and sleep
and shop and play.
1210
01:14:44,687 --> 01:14:46,067
And so we built it.
1211
01:14:46,205 --> 01:14:49,381
Now we've got 176 employees.
1212
01:14:49,519 --> 01:14:52,384
We're the largest private
employer in the county.
1213
01:14:52,522 --> 01:14:56,975
Our average employee makes
way above the county average,
1214
01:14:57,113 --> 01:15:01,393
in one of the poorest counties, in one
of the poorest states in the nation.
1215
01:15:01,531 --> 01:15:05,431
And what resulted is a
really nice community.
1216
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:09,401
You know, it's still tiny,
but it's gone from ghost town,
1217
01:15:09,539 --> 01:15:14,371
literally, to
destination, in a decade.
1218
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:16,926
So, I'm very proud of that.
1219
01:15:17,064 --> 01:15:21,931
[Ruth] So I hear you've been doing something
with a solar power company now, too?
1220
01:15:22,069 --> 01:15:26,763
Some friends of mine owned a
very large farm, near my farm,
1221
01:15:26,901 --> 01:15:31,250
and they sold it to a
renewable energy company.
1222
01:15:31,388 --> 01:15:33,011
I was not very happy about that,
1223
01:15:33,149 --> 01:15:35,703
because they take
really good farmland,
1224
01:15:35,841 --> 01:15:39,673
and they use Roundup,
and erosion is horrible.
1225
01:15:39,811 --> 01:15:42,399
It becomes a moonscape.
1226
01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:49,268
We populated that solar field with about
2,000 sheep for vegetative control.
1227
01:15:49,406 --> 01:15:54,273
And later on we added a few thousand
chickens, a few hundred ducks.
1228
01:15:54,411 --> 01:15:56,068
- [laughs]
- Yeah.
1229
01:15:56,206 --> 01:15:59,900
It has been a wonderful success.
1230
01:16:00,038 --> 01:16:01,971
Everybody wins.
1231
01:16:02,109 --> 01:16:04,939
They actually pay us
the same amount of money
1232
01:16:05,077 --> 01:16:09,288
they would pay a company
to spray and mow and trim,
1233
01:16:09,426 --> 01:16:14,604
and we're building organic matter in
their soil, and preventing erosion.
1234
01:16:14,742 --> 01:16:20,990
It's created new jobs and produces some
really good lamb for our customers to eat.
1235
01:16:21,128 --> 01:16:22,647
I mean, everybody wins.
1236
01:16:22,785 --> 01:16:27,755
This was farmed-to-death
row crop land.
1237
01:16:27,893 --> 01:16:29,999
Now, perennials are coming.
1238
01:16:30,137 --> 01:16:31,932
So that is Bermuda grass,
1239
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:34,969
which is a great
warm-season perennial grass.
1240
01:16:35,107 --> 01:16:38,594
That's evidence that life's
coming back to the land.
1241
01:16:44,461 --> 01:16:46,118
Hi, Zuzu.
1242
01:16:46,256 --> 01:16:48,362
You want to say
hi to Auntie Ruth?
1243
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:51,089
- Hi.
- [Zuzu] Bye-bye, Auntie Ruth.
1244
01:16:51,227 --> 01:16:52,953
[laughter]
1245
01:16:53,091 --> 01:16:55,887
- Bye-bye.
- [laughter]
1246
01:16:56,025 --> 01:16:58,717
[Reem] Our landlords
won't give us any relief.
1247
01:16:58,855 --> 01:17:02,341
They won't work with us, they
haven't negotiated with us.
1248
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,310
I mean, one option is to stay.
1249
01:17:05,448 --> 01:17:08,382
Second option is to
break the lease early.
1250
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:13,698
And then the third option is to fold both
of our locations together, in the Mission.
1251
01:17:13,836 --> 01:17:16,424
[Ruth] Have you discussed
this with your staff?
1252
01:17:16,562 --> 01:17:20,221
- We're doing it today, actually, having the big meeting, yeah.
- Really?
1253
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:22,154
[acousting guitar strumming]
1254
01:17:23,949 --> 01:17:25,813
[Reem] It's a good
sort of stepping stone,
1255
01:17:25,951 --> 01:17:28,713
before worker ownership
even comes into play,
1256
01:17:28,851 --> 01:17:31,888
as I figure out how to,
like, involve the collective
1257
01:17:32,026 --> 01:17:37,238
in whatever decisions that I'm making
as an owner, about this transition.
1258
01:17:37,376 --> 01:17:40,656
[worker] If we decided to go
work at the Mission temporarily,
1259
01:17:40,794 --> 01:17:42,761
we would have to go
roll in at like three,
1260
01:17:42,899 --> 01:17:46,972
four in the morning before,
before y'all open up.
1261
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:50,389
[in Spanish]
1262
01:17:54,670 --> 01:17:56,982
[contemplative music playing]
1263
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,778
[Reem] I'm going to go to
the landlords and tell them,
1264
01:17:59,916 --> 01:18:03,023
"You're going to give us
relief, or we walk away."
1265
01:18:03,161 --> 01:18:06,543
If they say, "You know what,
we'll give you relief,"
1266
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,132
then I'll bring it back
here and we consider it.
1267
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:14,413
If they say no, which I think
they are, unfortunately, we move.
1268
01:18:14,551 --> 01:18:16,761
[minimalistic piano]
1269
01:18:27,703 --> 01:18:29,601
We know that that's
going to be our goal,
1270
01:18:29,739 --> 01:18:32,742
is to make sure that our
workers stay in Oakland.
1271
01:18:37,022 --> 01:18:39,128
I haven't cut my
teeth in the industry
1272
01:18:39,266 --> 01:18:43,235
as much as some of the people
that work for me, you know?
1273
01:18:43,373 --> 01:18:45,203
So there's a lot of
wisdom and skill there.
1274
01:18:45,341 --> 01:18:47,999
[worker] Hot pita, hot pita!
1275
01:18:50,035 --> 01:18:52,797
[Reem] Luis is, like,
from a third generation
1276
01:18:52,935 --> 01:18:54,730
of bakers from the Yucatán.
1277
01:18:54,868 --> 01:18:56,973
It's, like, in his blood.
1278
01:18:57,111 --> 01:19:00,114
Like, I learn so much from him every
day. I mean, I learn from them.
1279
01:19:01,909 --> 01:19:04,498
Luis is like, it's about
our change of mentality.
1280
01:19:04,636 --> 01:19:07,397
We have to think like
employees and like bosses.
1281
01:19:20,997 --> 01:19:24,483
[Minh] I'm really OCD,
you guys. [laughs]
1282
01:19:24,621 --> 01:19:26,520
This makes me so batty.
1283
01:19:26,658 --> 01:19:31,007
So, you've opened your
new place. How is it?
1284
01:19:31,145 --> 01:19:33,147
It's great and it's horrible.
1285
01:19:33,285 --> 01:19:34,942
I think...
1286
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,187
uh, I'm just going to say it.
1287
01:19:38,325 --> 01:19:40,914
The food is like an A-minus.
1288
01:19:41,052 --> 01:19:44,745
The service is a
C-minus, maybe a D.
1289
01:19:44,883 --> 01:19:46,609
Ooh.
1290
01:19:46,747 --> 01:19:50,958
I think I'm at 20% of
where I want to be.
1291
01:19:51,096 --> 01:19:53,858
So, there's a lot of
room for improvement.
1292
01:19:53,996 --> 01:19:56,377
And I think I broke
my back-of-house team.
1293
01:19:56,515 --> 01:19:59,449
We were there until 2:30 a.m.
1294
01:19:59,587 --> 01:20:04,316
I don't lose my shit,
usually, and I lost my shit.
1295
01:20:04,454 --> 01:20:06,871
- They were mad.
- That sounds brutal.
1296
01:20:07,009 --> 01:20:10,012
- And I just, like...
- And God knows there are a lot
1297
01:20:10,150 --> 01:20:14,948
of out-of-work front-of-house
people at the moment.
1298
01:20:15,086 --> 01:20:19,573
But none of them want to work.
I literally called 100 people.
1299
01:20:19,711 --> 01:20:21,402
They don't want to work, Ruth.
1300
01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:23,888
And especially the way
that I want to set up,
1301
01:20:24,026 --> 01:20:26,338
where I want to take, I want
to pay the front of the house
1302
01:20:26,476 --> 01:20:28,375
and back of house
equally, you know.
1303
01:20:28,513 --> 01:20:31,412
I set a price, I said everyone
across the board in service,
1304
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:33,898
no matter if you're the
porter or the dishwasher,
1305
01:20:34,036 --> 01:20:36,417
you get $20 an hour, because
it's so fucking hard.
1306
01:20:36,555 --> 01:20:39,696
But servers will not work
for $20 to $25 an hour.
1307
01:20:39,835 --> 01:20:43,079
Whereas my back-of-the-house
team will break their backs
1308
01:20:43,217 --> 01:20:45,737
and don't think they're
doing enough for that amount.
1309
01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:49,810
- [Ruth] Right.
- [Minh] I think there's financial literacy
1310
01:20:49,948 --> 01:20:52,537
that needs to happen
in our industry.
1311
01:20:52,675 --> 01:20:57,922
And that financial literacy
needs to be taught to everyone
1312
01:20:58,060 --> 01:21:00,959
who's working, as
well as to diners.
1313
01:21:04,445 --> 01:21:06,792
[reporter] Well, more senators
are calling for a hearing
1314
01:21:06,931 --> 01:21:10,313
to review legislative proposals to
improve the meat-packing industry.
1315
01:21:10,451 --> 01:21:13,282
In his weekly call with
reporters just yesterday,
1316
01:21:13,420 --> 01:21:16,457
Senator Chuck Grassley
called for a hearing as well.
1317
01:21:16,595 --> 01:21:18,735
[woman] I call this hearing
1318
01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:24,327
of the US Senate Committee on Agriculture,
Nutrition, and Forestry to order.
1319
01:21:24,465 --> 01:21:28,642
We're going to focus specifically
on our cattle markets today.
1320
01:21:28,780 --> 01:21:31,820
[Senator Booker] You know, COVID really
showed how fragile our food system is.
1321
01:21:31,956 --> 01:21:36,892
Consumers were paying higher prices for meat,
while ranchers were paid less for their cattle.
1322
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:41,241
But the big, consolidated companies
really made record profits.
1323
01:21:41,379 --> 01:21:44,071
- [Ruth] I've been watching the hearings.
- [Steve] Uh-huh.
1324
01:21:44,209 --> 01:21:49,042
So, how did we actually get to the
point that there are these hearings?
1325
01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:51,251
Well, I don't want
to take a lot...
1326
01:21:51,389 --> 01:21:52,666
I mean, I...
1327
01:21:52,804 --> 01:21:56,428
Me and three or four or five
others being relentless,
1328
01:21:56,566 --> 01:21:59,155
I think, finally got enough
people starting to pay attention.
1329
01:21:59,293 --> 01:22:05,748
I mean, I have flown and met with
countless senators and legislators.
1330
01:22:05,886 --> 01:22:07,819
We've drove people nuts, man.
1331
01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:10,201
Good for you.
1332
01:22:10,339 --> 01:22:12,513
I'm getting hundreds of calls
1333
01:22:12,651 --> 01:22:15,378
from beef cattle
producers that are saying,
1334
01:22:15,516 --> 01:22:18,416
"Cindy, what is wrong
with this market?"
1335
01:22:18,554 --> 01:22:21,488
Ultimately, aren't these people
putting themselves out of business?
1336
01:22:21,626 --> 01:22:23,835
I mean, if nobody's going
to raise cattle anymore,
1337
01:22:23,973 --> 01:22:27,528
the packers are ultimately
out of business too.
1338
01:22:27,666 --> 01:22:31,015
But they're going towards
total vertical integration.
1339
01:22:31,153 --> 01:22:35,467
They know that the biggest,
most efficient, elite producers
1340
01:22:35,605 --> 01:22:37,849
will get bigger as the
smaller ones go out.
1341
01:22:37,987 --> 01:22:44,614
And when you get to where there's five
producers where there was 100, they will unify.
1342
01:22:44,752 --> 01:22:47,652
And they will charge
what beef's worth,
1343
01:22:47,790 --> 01:22:52,691
and then the American consumer
will be paying a lot more for food.
1344
01:22:52,829 --> 01:22:55,556
We have to address this
issue of lack of competition
1345
01:22:55,694 --> 01:22:58,180
and the fact that
there is an oligopoly
1346
01:22:58,318 --> 01:23:01,666
and that price setting and
market power's being misused
1347
01:23:01,804 --> 01:23:04,186
in a way that disadvantages
the very people
1348
01:23:04,324 --> 01:23:07,775
that are out there trying to
make a living on the land.
1349
01:23:07,913 --> 01:23:11,503
If those senators and
representatives are smart,
1350
01:23:11,641 --> 01:23:15,162
you don't want this country's
food supply in limited hands.
1351
01:23:15,300 --> 01:23:19,028
[acoustic guitar strumming]
1352
01:23:27,381 --> 01:23:30,074
[Ruth] Have you gotten
the first vaccination yet?
1353
01:23:30,212 --> 01:23:32,179
[Alice] Yes.
1354
01:23:32,317 --> 01:23:34,078
I got it last week.
1355
01:23:34,216 --> 01:23:38,358
Didn't you feel like... a
kind of lightness from that?
1356
01:23:38,496 --> 01:23:42,051
Well, it was very
strange, actually, Ruth,
1357
01:23:42,189 --> 01:23:46,607
because I got
enormously depressed.
1358
01:23:46,745 --> 01:23:49,265
I woke up in the morning
the next morning,
1359
01:23:49,403 --> 01:23:52,234
and I, I just said,
1360
01:23:52,372 --> 01:23:57,687
"We're never going to address climate
change, and I might as well just...
1361
01:23:57,825 --> 01:24:00,897
give up," and started crying,
1362
01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:04,418
and I was crying
off and on all day.
1363
01:24:04,556 --> 01:24:06,903
It frightened me.
1364
01:24:07,042 --> 01:24:11,425
I mean, this COVID time has been an
interesting time for a lot of people,
1365
01:24:11,563 --> 01:24:17,293
'cause a lot of people have, like,
have never had time to think before.
1366
01:24:17,431 --> 01:24:20,883
And, you know, I go for
a walk every morning,
1367
01:24:21,021 --> 01:24:25,612
but I have never looked deeply
1368
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:29,512
and stopped along the
way, the way I do now.
1369
01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:33,965
That I am seeing, you know,
1370
01:24:34,103 --> 01:24:37,279
almost the plants grow
from day to day...
1371
01:24:37,417 --> 01:24:42,525
[laughing] ...the blossoms
on the fruit trees already.
1372
01:24:42,663 --> 01:24:45,459
And I, it's...
1373
01:24:45,597 --> 01:24:49,222
the closer look that I'm having.
1374
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,120
[melodic piano]
1375
01:25:07,930 --> 01:25:09,621
You know, I love spring.
1376
01:25:09,759 --> 01:25:12,728
It's one of the advantages
of farming for a living.
1377
01:25:12,866 --> 01:25:14,764
You get a do-over every year.
1378
01:25:16,766 --> 01:25:22,393
There are opportunities that
have been created due to COVID.
1379
01:25:22,531 --> 01:25:26,638
Pre-COVID, we grew a wide
variety of vegetables
1380
01:25:26,776 --> 01:25:29,848
and we sold them
directly to restaurants.
1381
01:25:29,986 --> 01:25:32,472
Now, we grow a wide
variety of vegetables,
1382
01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:36,752
we sell them to restaurants,
to home consumers,
1383
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:40,169
to institutions and hospitals
1384
01:25:40,307 --> 01:25:46,141
that are now starting to understand
the whole concept of food as medicine.
1385
01:25:49,765 --> 01:25:53,182
In 1983, I came home from
Ohio State my freshman year.
1386
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,012
That house was the
house that was sold,
1387
01:25:56,151 --> 01:25:59,671
and Dad's farm was at that barn,
and it was full of equipment,
1388
01:25:59,809 --> 01:26:01,673
and it took two
days to sell it all.
1389
01:26:01,811 --> 01:26:03,019
We bought that back.
1390
01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:06,368
And my son is moving
in there, and his wife.
1391
01:26:06,506 --> 01:26:08,646
And it's kind of a full circle.
1392
01:26:08,784 --> 01:26:12,546
He is just coming back into the
business, as is my daughter.
1393
01:26:12,684 --> 01:26:14,755
Lee's son works in the business.
1394
01:26:14,893 --> 01:26:18,518
So we're very excited to be
having the next generation
1395
01:26:18,656 --> 01:26:20,520
come back into the business.
1396
01:26:24,696 --> 01:26:27,458
- [Angela] I can tell you some good news, if you want.
- [Ruth] Yeah.
1397
01:26:27,596 --> 01:26:31,738
So we just found out yesterday that
Knuth Farms is certified organic now.
1398
01:26:31,876 --> 01:26:33,705
- Oh, fantastic!
- Yeah, so...
1399
01:26:33,843 --> 01:26:36,501
[Ruth] Congratulations,
that's amazing.
1400
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:41,817
So, what does it actually mean for your
farm that you've now been certified organic?
1401
01:26:41,955 --> 01:26:44,233
[Angela] Right now,
it is the dollar sign.
1402
01:26:44,371 --> 01:26:45,579
Instead of $3.30 corn,
1403
01:26:45,717 --> 01:26:48,651
we're hoping to get
$6 to $7 a bushel.
1404
01:26:48,789 --> 01:26:54,174
So take that times 30,000 bushels,
and that's a lot of money.
1405
01:26:58,730 --> 01:27:02,734
I like the direction with the
organic and regenerative movement,
1406
01:27:02,872 --> 01:27:05,565
where it's coming around
back to soil health.
1407
01:27:05,703 --> 01:27:09,085
I think that's really rewarding.
1408
01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:12,882
The boys are interested
in seeing this unfold,
1409
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:14,740
because they're saying
things and I'm going,
1410
01:27:14,850 --> 01:27:16,890
"Ooh, you wouldn't have
said that about a year ago."
1411
01:27:16,955 --> 01:27:19,924
It's nice when it's a family
business, most of the time.
1412
01:27:20,062 --> 01:27:23,652
And I think down the road, they'll
definitely want to work together.
1413
01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:26,482
So, we think they're
pretty level-headed,
1414
01:27:26,620 --> 01:27:30,659
and, uh... and we value
their opinion right now.
1415
01:27:30,797 --> 01:27:34,214
I mean, because, we are at that
stage where we're getting up there,
1416
01:27:34,352 --> 01:27:38,183
and they're the future, so this is neat,
because we get to hand it off to them.
1417
01:27:38,322 --> 01:27:41,394
We have something
to hand off to them.
1418
01:27:46,295 --> 01:27:49,125
[Ruth] One of the problems
in American agriculture
1419
01:27:49,264 --> 01:27:52,370
is that the average age of
the American farmer is 64.
1420
01:27:52,508 --> 01:27:57,341
And we're losing young people in
this business at a terrific rate.
1421
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,379
- Being 65, I can understand that.
- [Ruth chuckles]
1422
01:28:01,517 --> 01:28:06,315
There are plenty of young people who
would love to come back to the farm.
1423
01:28:06,453 --> 01:28:11,355
Farming is a wonderful
life, lifestyle, livelihood.
1424
01:28:11,493 --> 01:28:13,426
All kind of good
things about it.
1425
01:28:13,564 --> 01:28:15,876
And I, I scold
people when they say,
1426
01:28:16,014 --> 01:28:19,708
"Oh, farming is a hard
life." No, it's not.
1427
01:28:19,846 --> 01:28:22,814
Have you ever seen a roofer?
Now, that's hard-ass work.
1428
01:28:22,952 --> 01:28:24,885
You see the guys
putting roofs on houses?
1429
01:28:25,023 --> 01:28:28,855
Don't tell me how hard farmers
work, when I see a roofer working.
1430
01:28:28,993 --> 01:28:30,822
Well, welcome to
White Oak Pastures.
1431
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,308
My name is Jodi,
and I'm a member
1432
01:28:33,446 --> 01:28:35,344
of the fifth
generation on the farm.
1433
01:28:35,482 --> 01:28:38,899
My great great grandfather,
he raised multi-species,
1434
01:28:39,037 --> 01:28:40,867
slaughtered his own
animals on the farm,
1435
01:28:41,005 --> 01:28:43,214
sold them locally to the
people here in Bluffton.
1436
01:28:43,352 --> 01:28:45,527
And it's very similar
to our model today.
1437
01:28:45,665 --> 01:28:49,254
We joke now, saying, we farm more
like our great great grandfather did
1438
01:28:49,393 --> 01:28:52,603
than when my grandfather was
alive and operating the farm.
1439
01:28:52,741 --> 01:28:56,917
All right, so we've got the Easter
campaign starting this weekend.
1440
01:28:57,055 --> 01:29:01,612
We've got a little bit of trim that Buck's
going to try to run for ground lamb,
1441
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:05,685
and then some merguez, and... are
you going to run some more chorizo?
1442
01:29:05,823 --> 01:29:09,171
We're going to run 200
pounds of each batch.
1443
01:29:09,309 --> 01:29:10,690
Good deal. Uh...
1444
01:29:10,828 --> 01:29:12,588
[Will] Jenni is
my middle daughter
1445
01:29:12,726 --> 01:29:15,936
and she has always
been my shadow.
1446
01:29:16,074 --> 01:29:19,284
We have been inseparable
since she got potty trained.
1447
01:29:19,423 --> 01:29:22,357
And I am just
fiercely proud of her.
1448
01:29:22,495 --> 01:29:24,117
That works both ways.
1449
01:29:24,255 --> 01:29:26,947
It's so great to have a
kid who's your shadow.
1450
01:29:27,085 --> 01:29:29,605
It's great to have a
dad that's a mentor.
1451
01:29:29,743 --> 01:29:34,023
[Will] I've always told my
daughters that my goal is
1452
01:29:34,161 --> 01:29:38,994
to have the opportunity for them to come
back, but not the obligation to come back.
1453
01:29:39,132 --> 01:29:43,101
[Ruth] Jenni, did you always know that you
wanted to come back and work on the farm?
1454
01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:44,413
[Jenni] I did not.
1455
01:29:44,551 --> 01:29:46,450
So, growing up gay and closeted,
1456
01:29:46,588 --> 01:29:49,625
I really had made peace
with the fact that
1457
01:29:49,763 --> 01:29:51,316
I would have to choose
1458
01:29:51,455 --> 01:29:53,629
professional happiness
or personal happiness,
1459
01:29:53,767 --> 01:29:56,045
and those two couldn't
possibly coincide.
1460
01:29:56,183 --> 01:29:59,566
And it didn't work that
way, I get to have both.
1461
01:29:59,704 --> 01:30:03,259
It sounds kind of like a
fairy tale, to be honest.
1462
01:30:03,398 --> 01:30:05,400
It does, it does. I think
dad and I both agree,
1463
01:30:05,538 --> 01:30:07,022
we get to live in
our own fairy tales.
1464
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,059
They're very different, but
they're, they're fairy tales.
1465
01:30:10,197 --> 01:30:12,752
So, Will, what's
your fairy tale?
1466
01:30:14,892 --> 01:30:16,894
You know, I'm living it.
1467
01:30:17,032 --> 01:30:18,792
To have...
1468
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:23,935
I'm a little emotional.
1469
01:30:24,073 --> 01:30:25,454
Me too.
1470
01:30:25,592 --> 01:30:28,146
Something in the air.
1471
01:30:28,284 --> 01:30:30,597
I don't know. [clears throat]
1472
01:30:30,735 --> 01:30:34,463
You know, uh, I love what I do.
1473
01:30:34,601 --> 01:30:36,327
That's an understatement.
1474
01:30:36,465 --> 01:30:40,676
You know, it's my hobby,
1475
01:30:40,814 --> 01:30:43,230
my vocation, my avocation,
1476
01:30:43,368 --> 01:30:47,096
my legacy and
heritage, every day.
1477
01:30:53,793 --> 01:30:55,795
[sustained piano chords]
1478
01:30:58,211 --> 01:31:00,316
[piano chords]
1479
01:31:06,771 --> 01:31:08,911
[piano chords]
1480
01:31:09,947 --> 01:31:12,605
[Reem] We've been 14
months in the pandemic.
1481
01:31:12,743 --> 01:31:14,883
We have learned some things,
1482
01:31:15,021 --> 01:31:19,888
collectively, what business
works and what doesn't, right?
1483
01:31:20,026 --> 01:31:24,755
A year later, we're much clearer
that we need to leave Fruitvale.
1484
01:31:27,516 --> 01:31:33,108
We have a chance to build our own
bakery here in downtown Oakland.
1485
01:31:33,246 --> 01:31:36,836
I want you all to see, could
this be the new home of Reem's?
1486
01:31:36,974 --> 01:31:41,875
A business model that would
be profitable for everybody.
1487
01:31:42,013 --> 01:31:44,015
[in Spanish]
1488
01:31:51,402 --> 01:31:56,131
Racks and racks and racks of dough
and pastry shaping happening.
1489
01:31:56,269 --> 01:31:58,651
- I'd say excited.
- Excited, worried?
1490
01:32:00,549 --> 01:32:03,034
- Emotional.
- Emotional.
1491
01:32:07,245 --> 01:32:10,076
You know, across the board,
people were really responsive
1492
01:32:10,214 --> 01:32:11,905
and gave us really
excellent reviews.
1493
01:32:12,043 --> 01:32:14,252
Because I personally know
what I need to work on,
1494
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:16,185
you know, I know
the wonky things.
1495
01:32:16,323 --> 01:32:18,533
I'm at 40% of
where I want to be.
1496
01:32:18,671 --> 01:32:22,364
I feel like we're on
training wheels a little bit.
1497
01:32:22,502 --> 01:32:26,782
How could it not be? You're a brand-new
restaurant in the middle of a pandemic.
1498
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,405
You know, with a new
restaurant like yours,
1499
01:32:29,544 --> 01:32:31,718
where you're doing
really experimental food,
1500
01:32:31,856 --> 01:32:33,996
and really food of your heart,
1501
01:32:34,134 --> 01:32:36,412
you're going to have
to find your customers,
1502
01:32:36,551 --> 01:32:38,794
and you can't assume
that everybody who comes
1503
01:32:38,932 --> 01:32:42,246
is going to love it, because
they're not, they're just not.
1504
01:32:42,384 --> 01:32:44,973
And you can't take it to heart.
1505
01:32:45,111 --> 01:32:46,595
[Minh] Yeah.
1506
01:32:46,733 --> 01:32:48,286
Thanks, Ruth.
1507
01:32:49,529 --> 01:32:50,634
Yeah.
1508
01:33:13,277 --> 01:33:16,004
[Ruth] When I was a child,
I was attracted to food
1509
01:33:16,142 --> 01:33:18,316
because I saw that it
brought people together.
1510
01:33:18,454 --> 01:33:22,976
But it was when I began looking at
cooks that I really fell in love.
1511
01:33:23,114 --> 01:33:26,255
Because it seemed to me it was
impossible to make great food
1512
01:33:26,393 --> 01:33:28,603
if you didn't have
a generous soul.
1513
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:34,816
Independent farmers and ranchers
are also a special breed.
1514
01:33:34,954 --> 01:33:39,855
They understand and care about food
in a way that nobody else does.
1515
01:33:42,513 --> 01:33:48,346
I have never connected so personally
with the people I was interviewing.
1516
01:33:48,484 --> 01:33:52,661
The isolation of COVID did
something really unexpected.
1517
01:33:52,799 --> 01:33:56,700
It sparked deeper relationships,
1518
01:33:56,838 --> 01:33:58,529
deeper understanding.
1519
01:34:01,705 --> 01:34:04,915
The people I met this
year give me hope.
1520
01:34:05,053 --> 01:34:08,297
They're independent of
the industrialized model,
1521
01:34:08,435 --> 01:34:11,991
which frees them to take risks.
1522
01:34:12,129 --> 01:34:13,889
Their collective vision
1523
01:34:14,027 --> 01:34:16,685
may hold the key
to our well-being.
1524
01:34:19,274 --> 01:34:22,242
I've always believed that
food is social and political,
1525
01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:24,693
but it's so much more than that.
1526
01:34:24,831 --> 01:34:27,696
It shows us our values.
1527
01:34:27,834 --> 01:34:30,250
How we grow and make our food
1528
01:34:30,388 --> 01:34:32,252
tells us who we are as a nation,
1529
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:36,084
and more importantly, who
we are as human beings.
1530
01:34:40,605 --> 01:34:42,124
I would love to
meet you in person.
1531
01:34:42,262 --> 01:34:44,702
- That would be great. We'll have to one of these days.
- Yeah.
1532
01:34:44,782 --> 01:34:47,543
[Steve] My son'll be
riding in that world a lot,
1533
01:34:47,682 --> 01:34:50,788
so if he gets up in the
New York rodeo or whatever
1534
01:34:50,926 --> 01:34:53,101
and we get over there,
I'll probably look you up.
1535
01:34:53,239 --> 01:34:54,585
Oh, please. Please.
1536
01:34:57,933 --> 01:35:00,902
I'm really proud to call
you here from Glasgow.
1537
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:04,112
You are the 2021 winner
of the Food Planet Prize.
1538
01:35:04,250 --> 01:35:06,079
Oh, my... are you kidding?
1539
01:35:10,014 --> 01:35:13,362
The decision has been made by
the Curt Bergfors Foundation,
1540
01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:15,951
believe it or not, to
double up on the prize.
1541
01:35:16,089 --> 01:35:18,643
So you're not winner of
just one million US dollars,
1542
01:35:18,782 --> 01:35:21,025
you are now the winner of
two million US dollars,
1543
01:35:21,163 --> 01:35:24,408
the largest prize for
sustainability in the world.
1544
01:35:24,546 --> 01:35:28,446
Congratulations, Bren, and
the whole GreenWave team.
1545
01:35:32,416 --> 01:35:35,315
So this is confidential because
they want to keep it confidential,
1546
01:35:35,453 --> 01:35:38,146
but they're naming the
restaurant of the year.
1547
01:35:38,284 --> 01:35:42,806
- Whoa!
- Whoa! Isn't that cool?
1548
01:35:42,944 --> 01:35:45,809
And then everyone around me is like,
"Wait, can we just take a moment
1549
01:35:45,947 --> 01:35:48,501
to not react to it as,
like, another, you know,
1550
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:52,160
you having to react to a
pivot, and just enjoy it?"
1551
01:35:52,298 --> 01:35:54,818
And I'm like, "Yeah,
but oh, my God!"
1552
01:35:58,649 --> 01:36:02,377
The food that we eat,
the tools that we use,
1553
01:36:02,515 --> 01:36:07,554
the methods of agriculture
were started by your ancestors.
1554
01:36:10,765 --> 01:36:13,353
And every time someone says,
1555
01:36:13,491 --> 01:36:15,839
"Get down and dirty
and go into a garden,"
1556
01:36:15,977 --> 01:36:18,773
you go into that
garden with pride.
1557
01:36:21,327 --> 01:36:24,088
- [applause]
- Thank you so much.
1557
01:36:25,305 --> 01:37:25,536
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