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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:18,779 --> 00:01:20,814 Dr. Oppenheimer. 2 00:01:21,815 --> 00:01:23,017 Dr. Oppenheimer. 3 00:01:24,352 --> 00:01:25,953 As we begin, I believe you have 4 00:01:25,986 --> 00:01:27,988 a statement to read into the record. 5 00:01:29,823 --> 00:01:31,025 Yes, Your Honor. 6 00:01:31,058 --> 00:01:33,161 We're not judges, Doctor. 7 00:01:33,195 --> 00:01:34,229 No. 8 00:01:35,330 --> 00:01:36,730 Of course. 9 00:01:41,936 --> 00:01:44,872 Members of the security board, 10 00:01:44,905 --> 00:01:47,209 the so-called derogatory information 11 00:01:47,242 --> 00:01:50,145 in your indictment of me cannot be fairly understood, 12 00:01:50,178 --> 00:01:54,014 except in the context of my life and my work. 13 00:01:54,982 --> 00:01:57,219 How long did he testify? 14 00:01:57,252 --> 00:01:58,986 Honestly, I forget. 15 00:02:00,388 --> 00:02:02,357 The whole hearing took a month. 16 00:02:02,390 --> 00:02:03,824 An ordeal, hmm? 17 00:02:03,857 --> 00:02:05,527 Well, I've only read the transcripts. 18 00:02:08,095 --> 00:02:09,830 Who'd want to justify their whole life? 19 00:02:09,863 --> 00:02:11,098 You weren't there? 20 00:02:11,132 --> 00:02:13,435 As chairman, I wasn't allowed to be. 21 00:02:13,468 --> 00:02:16,036 Are they really going to ask about it? 22 00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:18,173 -It was years ago. -Four years ago... 23 00:02:18,206 --> 00:02:19,241 Five. 24 00:02:20,108 --> 00:02:21,842 Oppenheimer still divides America. 25 00:02:21,875 --> 00:02:24,246 The committee is gonna want to know where you stood. 26 00:02:24,279 --> 00:02:26,381 Senator Thurmond asked me to say 27 00:02:26,414 --> 00:02:28,250 not to feel that you're on trial. 28 00:02:28,283 --> 00:02:31,819 Oh, funny, I didn't till you just said that. 29 00:02:31,852 --> 00:02:33,455 -Really, Mr. Strauss... -It's Admiral. 30 00:02:33,488 --> 00:02:36,424 Um, Admiral Strauss. This is a formality. 31 00:02:36,458 --> 00:02:38,959 President Eisenhower has asked you to be in his cabinet. 32 00:02:38,993 --> 00:02:40,861 Senate really has no choice but to confirm you. 33 00:02:40,894 --> 00:02:43,131 And if they bring up Oppenheimer? 34 00:02:43,164 --> 00:02:45,533 When they bring up Oppenheimer, you answer honestly. 35 00:02:45,567 --> 00:02:47,968 No senator can deny you did your duty. 36 00:02:48,002 --> 00:02:50,138 It'll be uncomfortable. 37 00:02:50,171 --> 00:02:52,307 Who'd want to justify their whole life? 38 00:02:57,245 --> 00:02:59,947 Why did you leave the United States? 39 00:03:02,049 --> 00:03:05,453 I, uh... I wanted to study the new physics. 40 00:03:05,487 --> 00:03:07,021 Was there nowhere here? 41 00:03:07,054 --> 00:03:09,056 I thought Berkeley had the leading 42 00:03:09,089 --> 00:03:10,924 theoretical physics department. 43 00:03:10,958 --> 00:03:13,528 Yes. Once I built it. 44 00:03:13,561 --> 00:03:15,163 But first I had to go to Europe. 45 00:03:15,196 --> 00:03:18,566 I went to Cambridge to study under Patrick Blackett. 46 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,202 Were you happier there than in America? 47 00:03:21,236 --> 00:03:23,371 -Happier? -Yes. 48 00:03:27,342 --> 00:03:30,345 No. No, I, uh... 49 00:03:33,348 --> 00:03:35,183 I was homesick, um... 50 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:38,018 ...emotionally immature... 51 00:03:39,187 --> 00:03:44,326 ...troubled by visions of a hidden universe. 52 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:57,205 Useless in the lab. 53 00:04:02,243 --> 00:04:04,346 Christ, Oppenheimer. 54 00:04:04,379 --> 00:04:06,448 Have you had any sleep? 55 00:04:08,249 --> 00:04:09,484 Start again. 56 00:04:09,517 --> 00:04:12,019 I need to go to the lecture, sir. 57 00:04:12,052 --> 00:04:13,455 Why? 58 00:04:13,488 --> 00:04:15,390 It's Niels Bohr. 59 00:04:18,193 --> 00:04:19,893 Damn, completely forgot. 60 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:22,130 All right. Let's go. 61 00:04:24,466 --> 00:04:26,368 Oh, no, not you, Oppenheimer. 62 00:04:26,401 --> 00:04:27,502 You finish coating those plates. 63 00:04:27,535 --> 00:04:29,371 You see them? 64 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,910 Don't forget to clean up! 65 00:05:08,075 --> 00:05:12,012 Quantum physics is not a step forward, 66 00:05:12,045 --> 00:05:15,550 it is a new way to understand reality. 67 00:05:15,583 --> 00:05:19,154 Einstein's opened the door, now we are peering through, 68 00:05:19,187 --> 00:05:22,089 seeing a world inside our world. 69 00:05:22,123 --> 00:05:27,529 A world of energy and paradox that not everyone can accept. 70 00:06:09,637 --> 00:06:11,071 Yeah, definitely. 71 00:06:11,105 --> 00:06:12,474 Are you all right? 72 00:06:13,708 --> 00:06:15,543 Niels, meet J. Robert Oppenheimer. 73 00:06:15,577 --> 00:06:17,077 What's the "J" stand for? 74 00:06:17,111 --> 00:06:19,079 Nothing, apparently. 75 00:06:19,113 --> 00:06:20,215 You were at my lecture. 76 00:06:20,248 --> 00:06:21,649 You asked the only good question. 77 00:06:21,683 --> 00:06:23,418 No one's denying his insight. 78 00:06:23,451 --> 00:06:25,520 It's his laboratory work that leaves a little to be desired. 79 00:06:25,553 --> 00:06:27,388 I heard you give the same lecture... 80 00:06:27,422 --> 00:06:30,625 At Harvard, yes, and you asked the same question. 81 00:06:30,658 --> 00:06:31,759 Why ask again? 82 00:06:31,793 --> 00:06:33,394 Hadn't liked your answer. 83 00:06:34,762 --> 00:06:36,498 Did you like it better yesterday? 84 00:06:36,531 --> 00:06:37,799 A lot. 85 00:06:37,832 --> 00:06:39,734 You can lift the stone without being ready 86 00:06:39,767 --> 00:06:42,136 for the snake that's revealed. 87 00:06:42,170 --> 00:06:44,305 Now it seems you're ready. 88 00:06:44,339 --> 00:06:46,641 But you don't enjoy the lab? 89 00:06:46,674 --> 00:06:49,544 So get out of Cambridge with its beakers and potions. 90 00:06:49,577 --> 00:06:52,547 Go somewhere they let you think. 91 00:06:53,548 --> 00:06:55,183 Where? 92 00:06:55,817 --> 00:06:56,818 Göttingen. 93 00:06:56,851 --> 00:06:58,786 -Born? -Born. 94 00:06:58,820 --> 00:07:00,788 Get to Germany, study under Max Born. 95 00:07:00,822 --> 00:07:03,458 Learn the ways of theory. 96 00:07:03,491 --> 00:07:04,526 I'll send word. 97 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,263 Wormhole. 98 00:07:08,296 --> 00:07:09,664 How's your mathematics? 99 00:07:09,697 --> 00:07:11,666 Not good enough for the physicist he wants to be. 100 00:07:11,699 --> 00:07:14,269 Algebra's like sheet music. 101 00:07:14,302 --> 00:07:16,771 The important thing isn't "Can you read music?" 102 00:07:16,804 --> 00:07:17,805 It's "Can you hear it?" 103 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:21,142 Can you hear the music, Robert? 104 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:23,678 Yes, I can. 105 00:08:59,407 --> 00:09:00,908 The senator from Wyoming. 106 00:09:01,876 --> 00:09:04,345 Admiral Strauss, I'm interested in your relationship 107 00:09:04,379 --> 00:09:07,248 with Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer. 108 00:09:07,281 --> 00:09:08,883 You met him in 1947? 109 00:09:08,916 --> 00:09:09,884 Correct. 110 00:09:09,917 --> 00:09:11,686 You were commissioner 111 00:09:11,719 --> 00:09:13,287 of the Atomic Energy Commission? 112 00:09:13,321 --> 00:09:17,258 I was, but I-I actually met Robert in my capacity 113 00:09:17,291 --> 00:09:19,961 as board member of the Institute for Advanced Study 114 00:09:19,994 --> 00:09:21,796 at Princeton because 115 00:09:21,829 --> 00:09:24,465 after the war, he was world-renowned 116 00:09:24,499 --> 00:09:26,901 as the great man of physics, and I was determined 117 00:09:26,934 --> 00:09:29,637 to get him to run the Institute. 118 00:09:38,813 --> 00:09:41,883 Dr. Oppenheimer. An honor. 119 00:09:41,916 --> 00:09:43,251 Mr. Strauss. 120 00:09:43,284 --> 00:09:44,585 It's pronounced "straws." 121 00:09:45,486 --> 00:09:46,954 Oh-ppenheimer, Oppenheimer. 122 00:09:46,988 --> 00:09:48,856 Whatever way you say it, they know I'm Jewish. 123 00:09:50,391 --> 00:09:52,994 I'm president of Temple Emanu-El in Manhattan. 124 00:09:53,027 --> 00:09:55,296 "Straws" is just the Southern pronunciation. 125 00:09:55,329 --> 00:09:56,364 -Ah. -Anyway, 126 00:09:56,397 --> 00:09:57,832 welcome to the Institute. 127 00:09:57,865 --> 00:09:59,500 I think you could be very happy here. 128 00:09:59,534 --> 00:10:01,469 Yes, well, you'll love the commute. 129 00:10:01,502 --> 00:10:02,837 The position comes with that house 130 00:10:02,870 --> 00:10:04,338 for you and your wife 131 00:10:04,372 --> 00:10:06,541 and your, is it two children? 132 00:10:06,574 --> 00:10:07,375 Yes, two. 133 00:10:07,408 --> 00:10:10,344 I'm a great admirer of your work. 134 00:10:10,378 --> 00:10:12,580 And you're a physicist by training, Mr. Strauss? 135 00:10:12,613 --> 00:10:14,682 I'm sorry, uh, common room 4:00 tea. 136 00:10:14,716 --> 00:10:17,485 No, I'm not trained in physics or anything else. 137 00:10:17,518 --> 00:10:19,353 -I'm a self-made man. -Ah. 138 00:10:19,387 --> 00:10:21,389 -I can relate to that. -Really? 139 00:10:21,422 --> 00:10:23,758 Yes, my father was one. 140 00:10:23,791 --> 00:10:27,361 And this would be your office. 141 00:10:36,537 --> 00:10:38,473 I'm told he's there most afternoons. 142 00:10:38,506 --> 00:10:40,608 You know, I've always wondered 143 00:10:40,641 --> 00:10:44,245 why you didn't involve him in the Manhattan Project. 144 00:10:45,012 --> 00:10:48,516 Greatest scientific mind of our time. 145 00:10:48,549 --> 00:10:50,418 Of his time. 146 00:10:50,451 --> 00:10:52,487 Einstein published his Theory of Relativity 147 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,456 more than 40 years ago now. 148 00:10:56,524 --> 00:10:58,960 But never embraced the quantum world it revealed. 149 00:10:58,993 --> 00:11:00,528 "God doesn't play dice." 150 00:11:00,561 --> 00:11:02,530 Precisely. 151 00:11:02,563 --> 00:11:05,366 You never thought of studying physics formally, Mr. Strauss? 152 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,769 Well, I had offers, but I chose to sell shoes. 153 00:11:07,802 --> 00:11:11,305 Lewis Strauss was once a lowly shoe salesman. 154 00:11:12,073 --> 00:11:13,975 No, just a shoe salesman. 155 00:11:14,008 --> 00:11:16,277 Huh. 156 00:11:17,545 --> 00:11:20,314 -I'd love to introduce you. -No need. 157 00:11:21,415 --> 00:11:22,884 I have known him for years. 158 00:11:44,106 --> 00:11:45,807 Albert. 159 00:11:50,411 --> 00:11:54,615 What was that? What did you say to him? 160 00:11:56,751 --> 00:11:57,785 Oh, he's fine. 161 00:11:59,654 --> 00:12:02,957 Mr. Strauss, there are things in my past 162 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:04,492 you ought to be aware of. 163 00:12:04,525 --> 00:12:06,427 Well, as chairman of the AEC, 164 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:07,929 I have access to your security file. 165 00:12:07,962 --> 00:12:08,963 I've read it. 166 00:12:08,996 --> 00:12:10,565 -You're not worried? -No. 167 00:12:10,598 --> 00:12:11,966 Why would I be worried after everything 168 00:12:11,999 --> 00:12:13,467 you've done for your country? 169 00:12:13,501 --> 00:12:14,969 Well, times change, Mr. Strauss. 170 00:12:15,002 --> 00:12:16,838 Well, the purpose of this institute 171 00:12:16,871 --> 00:12:19,540 is to provide a haven for independent minds. 172 00:12:20,474 --> 00:12:23,477 That's you. You are the man for the job. 173 00:12:23,511 --> 00:12:26,114 Well, then I'll consider it. 174 00:12:26,148 --> 00:12:28,416 I'll see you at the AEC meeting tomorrow. 175 00:12:32,820 --> 00:12:34,388 This is one of the most prestigious 176 00:12:34,422 --> 00:12:36,158 appointments in the country. 177 00:12:36,191 --> 00:12:38,392 Yes, with a great commute. 178 00:12:38,426 --> 00:12:40,728 That's why I'm considering it. 179 00:12:40,761 --> 00:12:42,530 So, Dr. Oppenheimer brought 180 00:12:42,563 --> 00:12:44,966 your attention to his past associations 181 00:12:44,999 --> 00:12:46,134 before you appointed him? 182 00:12:46,168 --> 00:12:47,602 Yes. 183 00:12:47,635 --> 00:12:49,470 And it didn't concern you? 184 00:12:49,503 --> 00:12:51,038 Just then, I was entirely consumed 185 00:12:51,072 --> 00:12:54,842 with what he must have said to Einstein to sour him on me. 186 00:12:58,446 --> 00:12:59,647 But later? 187 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,616 Well, we all know what happened later. 188 00:13:01,649 --> 00:13:04,018 Doctor, your, uh... your time in Europe, 189 00:13:04,051 --> 00:13:05,620 you seemed to meet with a wide range 190 00:13:05,653 --> 00:13:07,088 of other countries' physicists. 191 00:13:07,122 --> 00:13:08,123 Yes, that's right. 192 00:13:08,156 --> 00:13:10,424 Any Russians? 193 00:13:11,492 --> 00:13:12,927 None that spring to mind. 194 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,863 If you'll just allow me to continue with my statement... 195 00:13:15,897 --> 00:13:18,866 Mr. Robb, you'll have ample opportunity to cross-examine. 196 00:13:21,103 --> 00:13:24,038 After Göttingen, I moved on to Leiden in Holland 197 00:13:24,071 --> 00:13:27,109 where I first met Isidor Rabi. 198 00:13:27,142 --> 00:13:29,644 Excuse me. 199 00:13:33,581 --> 00:13:35,917 A Yank, lecturing on the new physics? 200 00:13:35,950 --> 00:13:37,018 This I have to hear. 201 00:13:37,051 --> 00:13:39,086 I'm an American myself. 202 00:13:39,121 --> 00:13:40,621 How surprising. 203 00:13:40,655 --> 00:13:41,722 Um... 204 00:13:41,756 --> 00:13:44,025 Let me know if you need any help with the English. 205 00:13:58,005 --> 00:13:59,974 Wait, what's he saying? 206 00:14:10,518 --> 00:14:11,552 No, thank you. 207 00:14:11,585 --> 00:14:13,554 It's a long way to Zurich. 208 00:14:13,587 --> 00:14:15,223 You get any skinnier, we're gonna lose you 209 00:14:15,257 --> 00:14:17,091 between the seat cushions. 210 00:14:17,125 --> 00:14:18,160 I'm Rabi. 211 00:14:18,193 --> 00:14:19,560 Oppenheimer. 212 00:14:19,593 --> 00:14:21,629 I caught your lecture on molecules. 213 00:14:21,662 --> 00:14:22,797 Caught some of it. 214 00:14:23,931 --> 00:14:26,100 We're a couple of New York Jews. How do you know Dutch? 215 00:14:26,134 --> 00:14:27,702 Well, I thought I'd better learn it 216 00:14:27,735 --> 00:14:28,903 when I got here this semester. 217 00:14:28,936 --> 00:14:30,538 You learned enough Dutch in six weeks 218 00:14:30,571 --> 00:14:32,274 to give a lecture on quantum mechanics? 219 00:14:32,307 --> 00:14:33,808 Wanted to challenge myself. 220 00:14:33,841 --> 00:14:36,211 Quantum physics wasn't challenging enough. 221 00:14:36,244 --> 00:14:37,979 -Schvitzer. -Schvitzer? 222 00:14:38,012 --> 00:14:39,914 Show-off. 223 00:14:39,947 --> 00:14:41,782 Dutch in six weeks, but you never learned Yiddish? 224 00:14:41,816 --> 00:14:43,884 They don't speak it so much my side of the park. 225 00:14:43,918 --> 00:14:44,986 Screw you. 226 00:14:46,087 --> 00:14:47,588 You homesick? 227 00:14:47,621 --> 00:14:49,023 Oh, you know it. 228 00:14:49,991 --> 00:14:52,994 Ever get the feeling our kind isn't entirely welcome here? 229 00:14:53,027 --> 00:14:54,095 Physicists? 230 00:14:54,129 --> 00:14:55,629 'S funny. 231 00:14:55,663 --> 00:14:57,732 Not in the department. 232 00:14:57,765 --> 00:14:59,066 They're all Jewish too. 233 00:15:01,169 --> 00:15:02,570 Eat. 234 00:15:04,872 --> 00:15:07,008 There's a German you have to seek out. 235 00:15:08,042 --> 00:15:10,578 -Heisenberg. -Right. 236 00:15:19,754 --> 00:15:21,256 One might be led to the presumption 237 00:15:21,289 --> 00:15:23,758 that behind the quantum world, 238 00:15:23,791 --> 00:15:27,661 there still hides a real world in which causality holds, 239 00:15:27,695 --> 00:15:29,897 but such speculation seem to us, 240 00:15:29,930 --> 00:15:32,666 to say it explicitly, fruitless. Thank you. 241 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:34,136 Have a great day. 242 00:15:39,341 --> 00:15:41,042 -Wonderful. -Thank you. 243 00:15:41,075 --> 00:15:42,310 Dr. Oppenheimer. 244 00:15:42,344 --> 00:15:44,279 Oppenheimer, yes. 245 00:15:44,312 --> 00:15:46,181 I liked your paper on molecules. 246 00:15:46,214 --> 00:15:47,715 Probably because you inspired it. 247 00:15:47,748 --> 00:15:49,251 If I inspire anything else, let me know. 248 00:15:49,284 --> 00:15:50,318 We could publish together. 249 00:15:50,352 --> 00:15:52,187 I have to get back to America. 250 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:53,954 Why? There's no one there 251 00:15:53,988 --> 00:15:56,191 taking quantum mechanics seriously. 252 00:15:56,224 --> 00:15:57,825 That's exactly why. 253 00:15:57,858 --> 00:16:00,295 He's pining for the canyons of Manhattan. 254 00:16:00,328 --> 00:16:02,763 Canyons of New Mexico. 255 00:16:02,797 --> 00:16:03,931 -You're from New Mexico? -No. 256 00:16:03,964 --> 00:16:06,067 New York, but my brother and I have a ranch 257 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:08,203 outside Santa Fe. 258 00:16:08,236 --> 00:16:10,604 That's the America I miss right now. 259 00:16:10,638 --> 00:16:12,706 Then it's best you get home, cowboys. 260 00:16:12,740 --> 00:16:14,342 That's him. 261 00:16:14,376 --> 00:16:17,812 No, me and horses. I don't think so. 262 00:16:17,845 --> 00:16:19,980 Nice to meet you. 263 00:16:21,715 --> 00:16:23,851 Did you ever encounter Heisenberg again? 264 00:16:23,884 --> 00:16:26,787 Not in person, no, but, uh... 265 00:16:28,022 --> 00:16:30,125 ...you might say our paths crossed. 266 00:16:31,692 --> 00:16:33,894 On returning to America, I accepted positions 267 00:16:33,928 --> 00:16:36,664 at both Caltech and up at Berkeley. 268 00:16:40,368 --> 00:16:42,002 I got it, it's all right. 269 00:17:00,721 --> 00:17:02,756 Dr. Lawrence, I presume? 270 00:17:04,159 --> 00:17:05,393 You must be Oppenheimer. 271 00:17:05,427 --> 00:17:06,961 Yes. 272 00:17:06,994 --> 00:17:09,331 I hear you want to start a school of quantum theory. 273 00:17:09,364 --> 00:17:11,031 I am starting it. Next door. 274 00:17:11,065 --> 00:17:12,900 -They put you in there? -I asked for it. 275 00:17:12,933 --> 00:17:15,002 Wanted to be close to you experimentalists. 276 00:17:15,035 --> 00:17:17,405 Theory will get you only so far, huh? 277 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:19,407 We're building a machine to accelerate electrons. 278 00:17:19,441 --> 00:17:22,144 -Magnificent. -Would you like to help? 279 00:17:22,177 --> 00:17:24,011 Build it? Oh, no. 280 00:17:24,044 --> 00:17:25,147 No, no. 281 00:17:25,180 --> 00:17:27,748 But I am working on theories I'd like to test with it. 282 00:17:27,781 --> 00:17:28,782 When do you start teaching? 283 00:17:28,816 --> 00:17:30,684 I've got my first in an hour. 284 00:17:30,718 --> 00:17:32,720 -Seminar? -Pupil. 285 00:17:32,753 --> 00:17:35,990 One student? That's it? 286 00:17:36,023 --> 00:17:38,759 I'm teaching something no one here has dreamt of. 287 00:17:38,792 --> 00:17:40,794 But once people start hearing what you can do with it... 288 00:17:40,828 --> 00:17:42,297 There's no going back. 289 00:17:44,466 --> 00:17:46,767 -Oh. I must have missed the... -Ah. Lo... 290 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,802 -Mr. Lomanitz? -Na. 291 00:17:50,004 --> 00:17:50,905 Yeah. 292 00:17:50,938 --> 00:17:53,040 Yes, this is it. Please. 293 00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:54,142 Take a seat. 294 00:17:59,013 --> 00:18:00,814 What do you know about quantum mechanics? 295 00:18:00,848 --> 00:18:03,218 I have a grasp on the basics. 296 00:18:03,251 --> 00:18:04,818 Then you're doing it wrong. 297 00:18:06,053 --> 00:18:08,323 Is light made up of particles or waves? 298 00:18:08,356 --> 00:18:09,491 Quantum mechanics says it's both. 299 00:18:09,524 --> 00:18:11,126 How could it be both? 300 00:18:11,159 --> 00:18:13,060 -It can't. -It can't. 301 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:17,965 But it is. It's paradoxical, and yet, it works. 302 00:18:25,106 --> 00:18:26,107 Now. 303 00:18:27,975 --> 00:18:29,944 Thank you. 304 00:18:29,977 --> 00:18:32,980 Mr. Lomanitz. You're gonna be okay. 305 00:18:33,013 --> 00:18:34,382 Mr. Snyder. 306 00:18:34,416 --> 00:18:35,950 Now let's consider a star. 307 00:18:35,983 --> 00:18:39,521 A star. A vast furnace burning in outer space, 308 00:18:39,554 --> 00:18:42,957 fire pushing outwards against its own gravity. 309 00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:44,426 Balanced. 310 00:18:44,459 --> 00:18:46,760 But if that furnace cools... 311 00:18:48,129 --> 00:18:50,131 ...and gravity starts winning, it contracts. 312 00:18:51,132 --> 00:18:52,099 Density increases. 313 00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:53,335 Correct. 314 00:18:53,368 --> 00:18:54,536 Increasing gravity. 315 00:18:54,569 --> 00:18:56,070 Increasing density. 316 00:18:56,104 --> 00:18:58,240 -And? -It's a vicious cycle until... 317 00:18:58,273 --> 00:18:59,907 what's the limit here? 318 00:19:01,075 --> 00:19:03,311 I don't know. See where the math takes us. 319 00:19:03,345 --> 00:19:05,113 I guarantee it's somewhere no one's been before. 320 00:19:05,146 --> 00:19:07,047 Me? 321 00:19:07,081 --> 00:19:09,251 Yes, you. Your math is better than mine. 322 00:19:10,985 --> 00:19:13,087 Dr. Oppenheimer's file 323 00:19:13,121 --> 00:19:15,523 contained detail of his activities in Berkeley. 324 00:19:15,557 --> 00:19:17,024 Why would they have started a file 325 00:19:17,057 --> 00:19:19,994 on Dr. Oppenheimer before the war? 326 00:19:20,027 --> 00:19:22,497 Well, you'd have to ask Mr. Hoover. 327 00:19:22,530 --> 00:19:24,399 I'm asking you, Admiral Strauss. 328 00:19:24,432 --> 00:19:27,369 Uh, my assumption is that 329 00:19:27,402 --> 00:19:30,538 it was connected to his, uh, 330 00:19:30,572 --> 00:19:33,108 left-wing political activities. 331 00:19:34,209 --> 00:19:35,876 You shouldn't let them bring up politics 332 00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:37,245 in the classroom, Oppie. 333 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:39,013 I wrote that. 334 00:19:39,046 --> 00:19:42,317 Lawrence, you embrace the revolution in physics. 335 00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:44,152 Can't you see it everywhere else? 336 00:19:44,185 --> 00:19:46,288 Picasso, Stravinsky, Freud, Marx. 337 00:19:46,321 --> 00:19:47,921 Well, this is America, Oppie. 338 00:19:47,955 --> 00:19:49,324 We had our revolution. 339 00:19:50,458 --> 00:19:52,960 Seriously, keep it out of the lab. 340 00:19:52,993 --> 00:19:56,096 Well, out of the lab, my landlady 341 00:19:56,131 --> 00:19:58,932 is having a discussion group tonight. Interested? 342 00:19:58,966 --> 00:20:01,035 I have sampled the Berkeley political scene. 343 00:20:01,068 --> 00:20:03,104 It's all just philosophy post-grads 344 00:20:03,138 --> 00:20:05,440 and Communists talking integration. 345 00:20:05,473 --> 00:20:07,142 You don't care about integration. 346 00:20:07,175 --> 00:20:09,043 I want to vote for it, not talk about it. 347 00:20:09,076 --> 00:20:11,078 'Specially on a Friday. Come on, let's eat. 348 00:20:11,112 --> 00:20:13,448 I'm meeting my brother there. 349 00:20:13,481 --> 00:20:15,350 And how would these activities 350 00:20:15,383 --> 00:20:16,518 have come to the attention 351 00:20:16,551 --> 00:20:17,552 of the FBI? 352 00:20:17,585 --> 00:20:19,554 Well, if I remember correctly, 353 00:20:19,587 --> 00:20:21,523 the FBI was taking license plates 354 00:20:21,556 --> 00:20:23,891 outside suspected Communist gatherings, 355 00:20:23,924 --> 00:20:25,926 and his name popped up. 356 00:20:33,501 --> 00:20:35,035 -Gotcha! -Jesus Christ. 357 00:20:35,069 --> 00:20:37,372 -Sorry. Hi, brother. -Frank. 358 00:20:38,373 --> 00:20:40,108 Uh, you remember Jackie. 359 00:20:40,141 --> 00:20:41,609 Evening. 360 00:20:41,643 --> 00:20:43,611 Let's go. Come. 361 00:20:43,645 --> 00:20:46,214 Right over there, right over there. 362 00:20:47,148 --> 00:20:50,151 Robert. I want you to meet Chevalier. 363 00:20:50,185 --> 00:20:53,887 Dr. Haakon Chevalier, Dr. Robert Oppenheimer. 364 00:20:53,921 --> 00:20:55,089 -Pleasure. -Pleasure. 365 00:20:55,123 --> 00:20:56,424 This is my little brother, Frank. 366 00:20:56,458 --> 00:20:57,659 -And this is... -Hello. 367 00:20:57,692 --> 00:20:59,627 -Still Jackie. -Hello, Still Jackie. 368 00:20:59,661 --> 00:21:01,629 Chevalier, you're in languages? 369 00:21:01,663 --> 00:21:03,398 And your reputation precedes you. 370 00:21:03,431 --> 00:21:05,166 -What have you heard? -Excuse me. 371 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,967 That you're teaching a radical new approach to physics 372 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,236 I have no chance of understanding, 373 00:21:08,269 --> 00:21:09,637 but I hadn't heard you're a Party member. 374 00:21:09,671 --> 00:21:11,972 -Uh, I'm not. -Oh, not yet. 375 00:21:12,005 --> 00:21:13,974 Frank and I are thinking of joining. Just the other day, 376 00:21:14,007 --> 00:21:15,643 -I was saying... -I support a range of causes. 377 00:21:15,677 --> 00:21:17,312 The Spanish Civil War? 378 00:21:17,345 --> 00:21:19,079 A democratic republic being overthrown 379 00:21:19,114 --> 00:21:20,415 by fascist thugs, who wouldn't? 380 00:21:20,448 --> 00:21:22,117 Our government. 381 00:21:22,150 --> 00:21:23,618 They think that socialism is a bigger threat than fascism. 382 00:21:23,651 --> 00:21:25,153 Not for long. 383 00:21:25,186 --> 00:21:26,987 Look at what the Nazis are doing to the Jews. 384 00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:29,591 I send funds to colleagues in Germany to emigrate. 385 00:21:29,624 --> 00:21:31,659 I have to do something. 386 00:21:31,693 --> 00:21:35,062 My own work is so abstract. 387 00:21:35,095 --> 00:21:36,664 What are you working on? 388 00:21:36,698 --> 00:21:38,633 What happens to the stars when they die. 389 00:21:38,666 --> 00:21:40,100 Do stars die? 390 00:21:41,302 --> 00:21:42,604 Well, if they do, 391 00:21:42,637 --> 00:21:44,539 they'd cool, then collapse. 392 00:21:44,572 --> 00:21:47,208 In fact, the bigger the star, 393 00:21:47,242 --> 00:21:49,943 the more violent its demise. 394 00:21:49,977 --> 00:21:51,513 The gravity gets so concentrated 395 00:21:51,546 --> 00:21:54,516 it swallows everything. 396 00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:55,517 Everything, even light. 397 00:21:55,550 --> 00:21:56,718 Can that really happen? 398 00:21:56,751 --> 00:21:58,553 The math says it can. 399 00:21:58,586 --> 00:22:00,020 If we can get published, 400 00:22:00,053 --> 00:22:01,623 then perhaps one day, an astronomer finds one. 401 00:22:01,656 --> 00:22:03,391 But right now, all I have is theory, 402 00:22:03,425 --> 00:22:05,293 which can't impact people's lives. 403 00:22:05,326 --> 00:22:07,595 Well, if you're going to send money to Spain, 404 00:22:07,629 --> 00:22:09,197 do it through the Communist Party. 405 00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:10,565 They can get it to the front lines. 406 00:22:10,598 --> 00:22:13,000 Mary sent me with these. 407 00:22:13,701 --> 00:22:16,504 -I'm Jean. -Robert. 408 00:22:16,538 --> 00:22:18,038 Haakon Chevalier. 409 00:22:18,071 --> 00:22:19,607 The union meeting at Serber's last month? 410 00:22:19,641 --> 00:22:21,041 Right, right, yes. 411 00:22:21,074 --> 00:22:22,444 Oh, thank you. 412 00:22:22,477 --> 00:22:24,712 Robert here says he's not a Communist. 413 00:22:24,746 --> 00:22:27,047 Well, then he doesn't know enough about it. 414 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,451 Oh, I've read Das Kapital, all three volumes. 415 00:22:29,484 --> 00:22:31,119 Does that count? 416 00:22:31,152 --> 00:22:33,121 It would make you better read than most party members. 417 00:22:33,154 --> 00:22:35,457 Turgid stuff. There's some thinking, um, 418 00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:36,658 "Ownership is theft." 419 00:22:36,691 --> 00:22:38,593 -"Property." -"Property"? 420 00:22:38,626 --> 00:22:40,428 "Property," not "ownership." 421 00:22:40,462 --> 00:22:42,497 I'm sorry, I read it in the original German. 422 00:22:42,530 --> 00:22:45,200 Well. 423 00:22:46,066 --> 00:22:47,435 It's not about the book. 424 00:22:47,469 --> 00:22:50,472 It's about the ideas. And you sound uncommitted. 425 00:22:50,505 --> 00:22:52,140 Well, I'm committed to thinking freely 426 00:22:52,173 --> 00:22:54,609 about how to improve our world. 427 00:22:54,642 --> 00:22:56,744 Why limit yourself to one dogma? 428 00:22:56,778 --> 00:22:59,747 You're a physicist, you pick and choose rules? 429 00:22:59,781 --> 00:23:01,349 Or do you use the discipline 430 00:23:01,382 --> 00:23:03,518 to channel your energies into progress? 431 00:23:03,551 --> 00:23:05,954 I like a little wiggle room. 432 00:23:07,054 --> 00:23:09,257 Do you always tow the party line? 433 00:23:10,625 --> 00:23:12,393 I like my wiggle room too. 434 00:23:22,537 --> 00:23:25,072 What? 435 00:23:25,106 --> 00:23:26,274 Wait, wait, wait. 436 00:23:30,178 --> 00:23:31,779 Unexpected. 437 00:23:31,813 --> 00:23:33,715 -What? -For a physicist. 438 00:23:33,748 --> 00:23:36,518 You only have a shelf full of Freud? 439 00:23:36,551 --> 00:23:39,420 Well, actually, my background's more... 440 00:23:39,454 --> 00:23:41,289 Uh, Jungian? 441 00:23:42,423 --> 00:23:43,525 You know analysis? 442 00:23:43,558 --> 00:23:46,093 When I was in post-grad at Cambridge, 443 00:23:46,127 --> 00:23:47,428 I had a little trouble. 444 00:23:48,429 --> 00:23:51,165 -I'll bite. -I tried to poison my tutor. 445 00:23:51,199 --> 00:23:52,200 Did you hate him? 446 00:23:52,233 --> 00:23:53,701 I liked him very much. 447 00:23:53,735 --> 00:23:55,637 You just needed to get laid. 448 00:23:55,670 --> 00:23:57,238 Took my analyst two years, 449 00:23:57,272 --> 00:23:59,207 and I don't think they ever put it that succinctly. 450 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,575 You have everyone convinced 451 00:24:00,608 --> 00:24:03,344 you're more complicated than you actually are. 452 00:24:03,378 --> 00:24:05,380 We're all simple souls, I guess. 453 00:24:05,413 --> 00:24:06,581 I'm not. 454 00:24:09,450 --> 00:24:10,485 What's this? 455 00:24:10,518 --> 00:24:12,085 Sanskrit. 456 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:13,421 You can read this? 457 00:24:13,454 --> 00:24:15,256 I'm learning. 458 00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:21,262 Read this. 459 00:24:22,697 --> 00:24:24,332 Well, in this part, 460 00:24:24,365 --> 00:24:26,568 Vishnu reveals his multi-armed self... 461 00:24:26,601 --> 00:24:27,602 No. 462 00:24:28,670 --> 00:24:30,538 Read the words. 463 00:24:33,908 --> 00:24:37,077 "And now I am become Death. 464 00:24:42,517 --> 00:24:44,252 Destroyer of worlds." 465 00:25:15,183 --> 00:25:16,517 This'll do. 466 00:25:22,657 --> 00:25:24,258 It'll break before dawn. 467 00:25:24,292 --> 00:25:27,662 Air cools overnight, just before dawn, it breaks. 468 00:25:30,331 --> 00:25:32,266 Come. 469 00:25:38,306 --> 00:25:41,776 Ah. So, I'm getting married. 470 00:25:41,809 --> 00:25:43,411 -Frank. Congratulations! -Thank you. 471 00:25:43,444 --> 00:25:45,246 -Thank you. -To Jackie? 472 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,649 Yeah, to Jackie. 473 00:25:47,682 --> 00:25:48,783 The waitress. 474 00:25:48,816 --> 00:25:50,785 Oppie, you're right. It's lettin' up. 475 00:25:50,818 --> 00:25:53,254 I'm gonna go see if there's any stars. 476 00:25:53,287 --> 00:25:55,323 All your talk about the common man, 477 00:25:55,356 --> 00:25:56,858 but Jackie's not good enough for you, hmm? 478 00:25:56,891 --> 00:25:57,925 Mm-mm. 479 00:25:57,959 --> 00:25:59,460 We join the Party and you can't 480 00:25:59,494 --> 00:26:01,262 -hide your disapproval. Why? -Oh, now, I... 481 00:26:01,295 --> 00:26:02,363 Is that because that's supposed to be your thing? 482 00:26:02,397 --> 00:26:03,931 I haven't joined the Party, Frank. 483 00:26:03,965 --> 00:26:06,501 And I don't think she should have convinced you to either. 484 00:26:06,534 --> 00:26:08,269 Half of the faculty is Communist. 485 00:26:08,302 --> 00:26:09,370 Not that half. 486 00:26:10,705 --> 00:26:13,441 I'm your brother, Frank, and I want you to be cautious. 487 00:26:13,474 --> 00:26:15,176 And I want to wring your neck. 488 00:26:17,578 --> 00:26:20,481 I won't live my life afraid to make a mistake. 489 00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:25,687 You're happy, I'm happy. 490 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,255 So then I'm happy you're happy 491 00:26:27,288 --> 00:26:28,623 that I'm happy. 492 00:26:32,894 --> 00:26:34,495 I feel like I could see 493 00:26:34,529 --> 00:26:36,631 one of those dark stars that you're working on. 494 00:26:36,664 --> 00:26:39,233 You can't. That's the whole point. 495 00:26:39,901 --> 00:26:41,602 Their gravity swallows light. 496 00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:45,940 It's like a kind of hole in space. 497 00:26:45,973 --> 00:26:47,308 Is Frank okay? 498 00:26:47,341 --> 00:26:49,744 Yes. He just has a shitty brother. 499 00:26:50,878 --> 00:26:52,547 It is special here. 500 00:26:54,916 --> 00:26:57,385 When I was a kid, 501 00:26:57,418 --> 00:27:00,455 I thought if I could find a way 502 00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:04,859 to combine physics and New Mexico, 503 00:27:04,892 --> 00:27:07,428 my life would be perfect. 504 00:27:08,496 --> 00:27:09,764 Little remote for that. 505 00:27:09,797 --> 00:27:10,932 Yes. 506 00:27:10,965 --> 00:27:12,633 Let's get some sleep. 507 00:27:13,601 --> 00:27:15,002 That mesa we saw today, 508 00:27:15,036 --> 00:27:17,538 one of my favorite places in the world. 509 00:27:18,372 --> 00:27:19,841 And tomorrow we'll climb it. 510 00:27:19,874 --> 00:27:21,309 What's it called? 511 00:27:22,343 --> 00:27:24,412 Los Alamos. 512 00:27:27,515 --> 00:27:29,517 I didn't expect to see you today. 513 00:27:30,685 --> 00:27:32,520 Do I have to make an appointment? 514 00:27:34,455 --> 00:27:36,591 Hey! Hey, get back here! 515 00:27:36,624 --> 00:27:37,759 Alvarez? 516 00:27:43,531 --> 00:27:46,367 Oppie! Oppie! 517 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,402 What? What is it? 518 00:27:48,436 --> 00:27:50,037 They've done it. They've done it. 519 00:27:50,071 --> 00:27:51,339 Hahn and Strassmann in Germany. 520 00:27:51,372 --> 00:27:53,541 They split the uranium nucleus. 521 00:27:54,408 --> 00:27:56,277 How? 522 00:27:57,011 --> 00:27:58,913 Bombard it with neutrons. 523 00:27:58,946 --> 00:28:00,081 It's a nuclear fission. 524 00:28:00,115 --> 00:28:01,749 They did it, they split the atom. 525 00:28:01,783 --> 00:28:03,351 It's not possible. 526 00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:11,292 I'm gonna try to reproduce it. 527 00:28:17,932 --> 00:28:19,867 See? Can't be done. 528 00:28:20,968 --> 00:28:24,372 Very elegant. Quite clear. 529 00:28:24,405 --> 00:28:27,041 -There's just one problem. -Where? 530 00:28:27,074 --> 00:28:28,876 Next door. 531 00:28:28,910 --> 00:28:30,845 Alvarez did it. 532 00:28:30,878 --> 00:28:33,014 But then look... 533 00:28:33,047 --> 00:28:36,384 ...these fission pulses, they're massive. 534 00:28:36,417 --> 00:28:39,687 I've seen 30 of these in the past ten minutes. 535 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,557 Theory will take you only so far. 536 00:28:44,058 --> 00:28:46,060 During the process... 537 00:28:46,093 --> 00:28:47,829 extra neutrons boil off, 538 00:28:47,862 --> 00:28:51,032 which could be used to split other uranium atoms. 539 00:28:51,065 --> 00:28:52,466 Chain reaction. 540 00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:54,136 You're thinkin' what I'm thinkin'. 541 00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:56,938 You, me, and every other physicist around the world 542 00:28:56,971 --> 00:28:58,472 who's seen the news. 543 00:28:59,174 --> 00:29:00,975 I'm... what? What are we all thinking? 544 00:29:01,008 --> 00:29:04,779 A bomb, Alvarez. 545 00:29:05,947 --> 00:29:07,648 A bomb. 546 00:29:07,682 --> 00:29:10,885 I told you, Robert, no more fucking flowers. 547 00:29:12,486 --> 00:29:14,021 I don't understand what you want from me. 548 00:29:14,055 --> 00:29:15,823 I don't want anything from you. 549 00:29:16,824 --> 00:29:18,860 Well, you say that and then you call. 550 00:29:18,893 --> 00:29:21,495 Well, don't answer. 551 00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:23,531 I'll always answer. 552 00:29:28,803 --> 00:29:29,737 Fine. 553 00:29:29,770 --> 00:29:32,473 Just no more flowers. 554 00:29:33,507 --> 00:29:34,876 You're not coming? 555 00:29:36,043 --> 00:29:38,846 You have to know when you're beaten, Robert. 556 00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:42,884 It's not that simple, Hoke. 557 00:29:42,917 --> 00:29:45,086 Chevalier, good to see you. It's... 558 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,454 Ah, Barbara, good to see you 559 00:29:46,487 --> 00:29:48,956 and the illustrious Dr. Oppenheimer. 560 00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:50,158 I'm Eltenton. 561 00:29:50,192 --> 00:29:51,559 -Oh, pleasure. -Please, please. 562 00:29:51,592 --> 00:29:52,760 Now, might you say a word 563 00:29:52,793 --> 00:29:55,529 about organized labor on campuses, yes? 564 00:29:55,563 --> 00:29:57,098 Coming through! Coming through! 565 00:29:57,132 --> 00:29:58,699 -F.A.E.C.T.! -I work at Shell. 566 00:29:58,733 --> 00:30:00,735 We've signed up chemists, we've signed up engineers, 567 00:30:00,768 --> 00:30:02,637 so why not scientists in academia? 568 00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:05,573 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 569 00:30:05,606 --> 00:30:08,876 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 570 00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:10,544 Oppie! Oppie! 571 00:30:10,578 --> 00:30:13,481 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 572 00:30:16,651 --> 00:30:20,621 Teachers are unionized. Why not professors? 573 00:30:20,655 --> 00:30:22,089 Don't you have somewhere to be? 574 00:30:22,124 --> 00:30:23,958 Lawrence, academics have rights too. 575 00:30:23,991 --> 00:30:26,494 Look, it's not that. I've got a group coming. 576 00:30:26,527 --> 00:30:29,730 -Well, I'll sit in. -Not this one. 577 00:30:36,003 --> 00:30:37,672 Richard. Dr. Bush. 578 00:30:37,705 --> 00:30:39,774 What brings you two up north? 579 00:30:49,251 --> 00:30:50,618 Richard, you tell Ruth 580 00:30:50,651 --> 00:30:51,919 I'll be down to Pasadena Thursday. 581 00:31:00,928 --> 00:31:03,564 Your paper on black holes is in! 582 00:31:03,597 --> 00:31:05,566 Oppie! 583 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:09,237 Where's Hartland? Get Hartland. Get Hartland. 584 00:31:09,271 --> 00:31:11,539 September 1st, 1939, 585 00:31:11,572 --> 00:31:13,808 the world's gonna remember this day. 586 00:31:14,742 --> 00:31:16,211 Oh, Hartland. Our paper, it's in print. 587 00:31:16,244 --> 00:31:18,980 You've been upstaged. 588 00:31:22,583 --> 00:31:25,120 During the Battle of Britain, I found myself 589 00:31:25,153 --> 00:31:27,888 increasingly out of sympathy with the 590 00:31:27,922 --> 00:31:30,925 policy of neutrality that Communists advocated. 591 00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:34,762 Right after Hitler invaded Russia and we became allies, 592 00:31:34,795 --> 00:31:36,831 these Communist sympathies, did they return? 593 00:31:36,864 --> 00:31:37,898 No. 594 00:31:39,033 --> 00:31:42,636 I need to make clear that my changing views on Russia 595 00:31:42,670 --> 00:31:43,904 did not mean a sharp break 596 00:31:43,938 --> 00:31:46,007 from those who held different views. 597 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,609 For a year or two, and during a previous marriage, 598 00:31:48,642 --> 00:31:51,946 my wife Kitty had been a Communist Party member. 599 00:31:54,582 --> 00:31:55,916 Oop! 600 00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:57,752 This way. This is where I keep the good stuff. 601 00:31:57,785 --> 00:31:59,787 Well, I thought this was the Tolmans' house. 602 00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:02,023 I live with them while I'm at Caltech. 603 00:32:02,056 --> 00:32:03,557 Do you two need anything? 604 00:32:03,591 --> 00:32:05,059 We're good, Ruthie. 605 00:32:06,161 --> 00:32:08,796 So, you're a biologist. 606 00:32:08,829 --> 00:32:12,033 Well, somehow I have graduated to housewife. 607 00:32:12,066 --> 00:32:15,203 Can you explain quantum mechanics to me? 608 00:32:15,237 --> 00:32:16,271 Seems baffling. 609 00:32:16,304 --> 00:32:18,005 Yes, it is. 610 00:32:19,107 --> 00:32:21,909 Well, this glass, 611 00:32:21,942 --> 00:32:22,843 this drink... 612 00:32:22,877 --> 00:32:25,980 ...this countertop, 613 00:32:26,013 --> 00:32:29,117 uh, our bodies... 614 00:32:29,151 --> 00:32:31,052 all of it. 615 00:32:31,085 --> 00:32:33,654 It's mostly empty space. 616 00:32:33,687 --> 00:32:36,191 Groupings of tiny energy waves bound together. 617 00:32:36,224 --> 00:32:38,092 By what? 618 00:32:38,126 --> 00:32:41,695 Forces of attraction strong enough to convince us 619 00:32:41,729 --> 00:32:43,931 that matter is solid. 620 00:32:43,964 --> 00:32:47,101 Stop my body passing through yours. 621 00:32:58,846 --> 00:33:00,348 You're married to Dr. Harrison. 622 00:33:00,382 --> 00:33:02,117 Not very. 623 00:33:04,152 --> 00:33:07,855 There is someone that I feel... 624 00:33:07,888 --> 00:33:09,324 Does she feel the same way? 625 00:33:09,357 --> 00:33:13,195 Sometimes. Not enough. 626 00:33:14,396 --> 00:33:17,365 You know, I'm going to New Mexico. 627 00:33:17,399 --> 00:33:19,201 To my ranch, with friends. 628 00:33:19,234 --> 00:33:20,601 You should come. 629 00:33:21,403 --> 00:33:23,238 I meant with your husband. 630 00:33:23,271 --> 00:33:24,839 Yes, you did. 631 00:33:24,872 --> 00:33:27,775 'Cause you know it won't make a bit of difference. 632 00:33:31,745 --> 00:33:33,248 Why did you marry him? 633 00:33:33,281 --> 00:33:36,817 I was lost and he was kind. 634 00:33:38,986 --> 00:33:39,854 Lost? 635 00:33:39,887 --> 00:33:43,391 Well, my previous husband had died, and... 636 00:33:43,425 --> 00:33:45,860 at 28, I wasn't really ready to be a widow. 637 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:47,895 -Who was your first husband? -Nobody. 638 00:33:47,928 --> 00:33:50,398 But my second husband was Joe Dallet. 639 00:33:50,432 --> 00:33:53,401 He was, um, from money, like me, but... 640 00:33:53,435 --> 00:33:56,371 he was a union organizer in Youngstown, Ohio. 641 00:33:56,404 --> 00:33:57,671 Fell hard. 642 00:33:57,705 --> 00:33:58,973 How hard? 643 00:33:59,006 --> 00:34:00,674 Hard enough to spend the next four years 644 00:34:00,708 --> 00:34:02,042 living off beans and pancakes, 645 00:34:02,076 --> 00:34:04,845 handing out the Daily Worker at factory gates. 646 00:34:04,879 --> 00:34:07,382 By 36, I just told Joe I couldn't take it anymore. 647 00:34:07,415 --> 00:34:09,284 Quit the Party and a year later, 648 00:34:09,317 --> 00:34:12,853 I wanted him back, so... Him, not the Daily Worker. 649 00:34:12,887 --> 00:34:15,022 And he said, "Swell, I'll meet you on my way to Spain." 650 00:34:15,055 --> 00:34:16,757 He went to fight for the Loyalists? 651 00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:18,893 And then he went to the brigades and I waited. 652 00:34:18,926 --> 00:34:19,994 And... 653 00:34:20,861 --> 00:34:22,230 Joe got himself killed 654 00:34:22,264 --> 00:34:24,665 first time he popped his head out of the trench. 655 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,436 Ideology got Joe killed. For nothing. 656 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:30,338 Spanish Republic isn't nothing. 657 00:34:30,372 --> 00:34:31,473 My husband offered both our futures 658 00:34:31,506 --> 00:34:32,973 to stop one fascist bullet 659 00:34:33,007 --> 00:34:35,177 from embedding itself in a mudbank. 660 00:34:36,076 --> 00:34:37,912 That's the definition of nothing. 661 00:34:37,945 --> 00:34:39,947 Seems a little reductive. 662 00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:41,715 Pragmatic. 663 00:34:41,749 --> 00:34:44,186 Now here I am. 664 00:34:46,421 --> 00:34:48,022 Wherever the hell this is. 665 00:34:55,062 --> 00:34:58,333 I didn't want you to hear it from anyone else. 666 00:35:00,768 --> 00:35:04,105 Least you didn't bring me flowers. 667 00:35:09,244 --> 00:35:12,813 We both know I'm not what you want, Jean. 668 00:35:13,847 --> 00:35:16,484 Yeah, but it's a door closing. 669 00:35:16,518 --> 00:35:17,918 No. 670 00:35:19,487 --> 00:35:21,855 Not as far as I'm concerned, no. 671 00:35:23,057 --> 00:35:24,792 You knocked her up, fast work. 672 00:35:24,825 --> 00:35:27,462 Can't keep a good man down. 673 00:35:27,495 --> 00:35:29,497 I meant her. 674 00:35:29,531 --> 00:35:31,533 She knew what she wanted. 675 00:35:31,566 --> 00:35:33,501 What about the husband? 676 00:35:33,535 --> 00:35:35,002 We talked, um, 677 00:35:35,035 --> 00:35:36,971 they're getting a divorce, so... 678 00:35:37,004 --> 00:35:40,774 we can get married before she starts showing. 679 00:35:40,808 --> 00:35:42,277 How civilized. 680 00:35:44,246 --> 00:35:45,347 You idiot. 681 00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:47,148 This is your community. 682 00:35:47,182 --> 00:35:50,118 You think the rules don't apply to the golden boy? 683 00:35:51,286 --> 00:35:52,920 Brilliance makes up for a lot. 684 00:35:52,953 --> 00:35:55,457 Don't alienate the only people in the world 685 00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:57,158 that understand what you do. 686 00:35:58,892 --> 00:36:00,262 One day you might need them. 687 00:36:00,295 --> 00:36:03,030 F.A.E.C.T.! 688 00:36:03,063 --> 00:36:04,266 The Federation of Architects, 689 00:36:04,299 --> 00:36:07,435 Engineers, Chemists and Technicians. 690 00:36:13,874 --> 00:36:16,411 Lomanitz, what do you get paid a month? 691 00:36:16,444 --> 00:36:17,579 That's not the point, Lawrence. 692 00:36:17,612 --> 00:36:19,913 What do any of you have in common 693 00:36:19,947 --> 00:36:22,550 with farm laborers and dock workers? 694 00:36:22,584 --> 00:36:24,152 Plenty. 695 00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:27,756 Everybody out. Now! 696 00:36:31,593 --> 00:36:32,993 Not you. 697 00:36:38,932 --> 00:36:39,900 What are you doing? 698 00:36:39,933 --> 00:36:41,603 It's a trade union. 699 00:36:41,636 --> 00:36:43,571 Filled with Communists. 700 00:36:43,605 --> 00:36:45,307 So? I haven't joined the Party. 701 00:36:45,340 --> 00:36:47,442 They won't let me bring you onto the project 702 00:36:47,475 --> 00:36:49,177 because of this shit. 703 00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:50,978 They won't even let me tell you what the project is. 704 00:36:51,011 --> 00:36:53,448 Oh. I know what the project is. 705 00:36:53,481 --> 00:36:54,549 Oh, really? 706 00:36:54,582 --> 00:36:55,883 We've all heard about Einstein 707 00:36:55,916 --> 00:36:57,185 and Szilard's letter to Roosevelt 708 00:36:57,218 --> 00:36:59,019 warning him the Germans could make a bomb, 709 00:36:59,053 --> 00:37:01,922 and I know what it means for the Nazis to have a bomb. 710 00:37:01,955 --> 00:37:03,325 Oh, and I don't? 711 00:37:03,358 --> 00:37:05,993 It's not your people they're herding into camps. 712 00:37:07,094 --> 00:37:08,095 It's mine. 713 00:37:08,129 --> 00:37:11,266 You think that I tell them about your politics. 714 00:37:12,367 --> 00:37:14,935 The next time you're coming home from a meeting, 715 00:37:14,968 --> 00:37:17,004 why don't you take a look in the rearview mirror? 716 00:37:17,037 --> 00:37:19,107 Listen to the sounds on your phone line 717 00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:22,210 and stop being so goddamn naive. 718 00:37:23,511 --> 00:37:25,045 Why would they care what I do? 719 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,047 Because you're not just self-important, 720 00:37:27,081 --> 00:37:29,250 you're actually important. 721 00:37:30,485 --> 00:37:31,852 Okay. 722 00:37:32,487 --> 00:37:35,490 Okay. I get it. 723 00:37:35,523 --> 00:37:37,592 If you could just be a little more... 724 00:37:37,625 --> 00:37:39,127 Pragmatic. 725 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,261 I'll talk to Lomanitz, I'll talk to the others, 726 00:37:40,295 --> 00:37:42,397 you don't have to worry. It's done. 727 00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:44,199 Lawrence. 728 00:37:49,036 --> 00:37:51,038 Then welcome to the war. 729 00:37:51,071 --> 00:37:53,375 I filled out my first security questionnaire 730 00:37:53,408 --> 00:37:54,676 and was informed 731 00:37:54,709 --> 00:37:56,511 that my involvement with left-wing groups 732 00:37:56,544 --> 00:38:00,482 would not prove a bar to my working on the atomic program. 733 00:38:00,515 --> 00:38:03,251 Why were his Communist associations 734 00:38:03,284 --> 00:38:06,388 not seen as a security risk during the war? 735 00:38:06,421 --> 00:38:08,156 Senator, I can't possibly answer 736 00:38:08,189 --> 00:38:11,526 for security clearance granted years before I ever met the man. 737 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,561 Fine. What about after? 738 00:38:13,595 --> 00:38:15,530 After the war, Dr. Oppenheimer 739 00:38:15,563 --> 00:38:19,334 was the most respected scientific voice in the world. 740 00:38:19,367 --> 00:38:21,403 That's why I asked him to run the Institute, 741 00:38:21,436 --> 00:38:24,539 that's why he advised the Atomic Energy Commission. 742 00:38:24,572 --> 00:38:25,640 Simple as that. 743 00:38:25,673 --> 00:38:28,276 What are they accusing me of? 744 00:38:28,309 --> 00:38:30,077 I think they just want to know what happened 745 00:38:30,111 --> 00:38:32,614 between 1947 and 1954 to change your mind 746 00:38:32,647 --> 00:38:34,682 on Oppenheimer's security clearance. 747 00:38:34,716 --> 00:38:37,452 I didn't. I was chair of the AEC, 748 00:38:37,485 --> 00:38:41,054 but it wasn't me that brought the charges against Robert. 749 00:38:41,088 --> 00:38:42,323 -Who did? -Some former staff member 750 00:38:42,357 --> 00:38:44,292 of the Joint Congressional Committee. 751 00:38:44,325 --> 00:38:47,395 He was a rabid anti-Communist named Borden. 752 00:38:47,429 --> 00:38:49,731 He wrote to the FBI demanding they take action. 753 00:38:49,764 --> 00:38:52,300 The FBI? Why not go to the AEC, direct? 754 00:38:52,333 --> 00:38:55,035 Why get caught holding the knife yourself? 755 00:38:55,068 --> 00:38:57,505 What did Borden have against Oppenheimer? 756 00:38:57,539 --> 00:38:59,374 This was the McCarthy Era. 757 00:38:59,407 --> 00:39:04,312 People hounded out of jobs for any hint of red. And then, 758 00:39:04,345 --> 00:39:06,013 reading Oppenheimer's security file, 759 00:39:06,046 --> 00:39:08,216 his Communist brother, sister-in-law, 760 00:39:08,249 --> 00:39:10,318 fiancée, best friend, wife. 761 00:39:10,351 --> 00:39:12,687 That's before we even get to the Chevalier incident. 762 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,458 But how would Borden have access to Oppenheimer's security file? 763 00:39:16,491 --> 00:39:18,159 Because somebody gave it to him. 764 00:39:19,327 --> 00:39:21,995 Somebody who wanted Robert silenced. 765 00:39:22,029 --> 00:39:23,631 -Who? -Who knows? 766 00:39:23,665 --> 00:39:26,201 Robert didn't take care not to upset 767 00:39:26,234 --> 00:39:28,470 the power brokers in Washington. 768 00:39:28,503 --> 00:39:31,372 His opinions on the atom became definitive 769 00:39:31,406 --> 00:39:34,309 and he wasn't always patient with us mere mortals. 770 00:39:37,712 --> 00:39:40,148 I came in for plenty of harsh treatment. 771 00:39:40,181 --> 00:39:43,351 There was an AEC vote 772 00:39:43,384 --> 00:39:45,353 on the export of isotopes to Norway, 773 00:39:45,386 --> 00:39:48,356 and they drafted in Robert to make me look like a fool. 774 00:39:48,389 --> 00:39:50,090 But, Dr. Oppenheimer, 775 00:39:50,124 --> 00:39:52,227 we've already heard from Admiral Strauss that 776 00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:55,095 these isotopes could be useful to our enemies 777 00:39:55,129 --> 00:39:56,431 in the production of atomic weapons. 778 00:39:56,464 --> 00:39:58,333 Congressmen, you could use a shovel 779 00:39:58,366 --> 00:39:59,801 in making atomic weapons. 780 00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:01,034 In fact, you do. 781 00:40:01,068 --> 00:40:02,604 You could use a bottle of beer 782 00:40:02,637 --> 00:40:04,037 in making atomic weapons. 783 00:40:04,071 --> 00:40:05,540 In fact, you do. 784 00:40:05,573 --> 00:40:08,510 I say isotopes are less useful than electronic components 785 00:40:08,543 --> 00:40:11,312 but more useful than a sandwich. 786 00:40:14,549 --> 00:40:16,417 Genius is no guarantee of wisdom. 787 00:40:17,418 --> 00:40:20,188 How could this man who saw so much be so blind? 788 00:40:29,697 --> 00:40:31,132 Kitty? 789 00:40:35,837 --> 00:40:37,772 Kitty? 790 00:40:37,805 --> 00:40:41,209 Kitty, the project... 791 00:40:42,176 --> 00:40:44,779 I'm in. I'm in. 792 00:40:44,812 --> 00:40:46,581 Let's celebrate. 793 00:40:52,220 --> 00:40:53,821 Shouldn't you go to him? 794 00:40:58,426 --> 00:41:01,596 I have been going to him all fucking day. 795 00:41:25,353 --> 00:41:27,087 Come here, darling. 796 00:41:28,189 --> 00:41:29,757 I don't know how to say this. 797 00:41:29,791 --> 00:41:32,493 I'm... I'm ashamed to ask. 798 00:41:32,527 --> 00:41:34,462 Anything. 799 00:41:34,495 --> 00:41:35,296 Take Peter. 800 00:41:35,330 --> 00:41:38,366 -Sure. -No, for-for a while, Hoke. 801 00:41:38,399 --> 00:41:40,368 A while. 802 00:41:41,936 --> 00:41:43,738 Does Kitty know you're here? 803 00:41:43,771 --> 00:41:45,506 Yes, of course she knows. 804 00:41:46,374 --> 00:41:48,376 Of course she knows. 805 00:41:48,409 --> 00:41:52,113 We're awful people. Selfish, awful people. 806 00:41:53,615 --> 00:41:54,616 Forget I asked. 807 00:41:54,649 --> 00:41:56,484 Selfish, awful people, 808 00:41:56,517 --> 00:41:58,920 they don't know they're selfish and awful. 809 00:41:58,953 --> 00:42:01,522 Sit, sit, sit. 810 00:42:02,557 --> 00:42:06,661 Robert, you see beyond the world we live in. 811 00:42:08,363 --> 00:42:10,932 There is a price to be paid for that. 812 00:42:10,965 --> 00:42:12,533 Of course we'll help you. 813 00:42:23,478 --> 00:42:25,647 Everything's changing, Robert. 814 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,649 Having a child was always going to change... 815 00:42:27,682 --> 00:42:31,786 No, the world, it's pivoting in some new direction. 816 00:42:31,819 --> 00:42:34,222 It's reforming. 817 00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:37,692 This is your moment. 818 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:40,528 We're putting together a group to study feasibility... 819 00:42:40,561 --> 00:42:43,364 "We" shouldn't be doing anything. You should. 820 00:42:44,265 --> 00:42:46,401 Lawrence won't get this done. 821 00:42:46,434 --> 00:42:48,569 Or Tolman or Rabi. You will. 822 00:42:57,412 --> 00:42:59,547 Who are the uniforms? 823 00:43:00,348 --> 00:43:02,250 I thought you might know. 824 00:43:03,284 --> 00:43:05,553 Dr. Oppenheimer. 825 00:43:05,586 --> 00:43:07,555 I'm Colonel Groves. 826 00:43:07,588 --> 00:43:09,824 This is Lieutenant Colonel Nichols. 827 00:43:09,857 --> 00:43:11,359 Have that dry-cleaned. 828 00:43:17,265 --> 00:43:19,333 Well, if that's how you treat Lieutenant Colonel, 829 00:43:19,367 --> 00:43:22,737 I'd hate to see how you treat a humble physicist. 830 00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:24,839 Ah, if I ever meet one, I'll let you know. 831 00:43:24,872 --> 00:43:26,374 Ouch. 832 00:43:26,407 --> 00:43:27,975 Theaters of combat all over the world, 833 00:43:28,009 --> 00:43:29,944 but I have to stay in Washington. 834 00:43:29,977 --> 00:43:32,680 -Why? -I built the Pentagon. 835 00:43:32,714 --> 00:43:35,349 The brass likes it so much they made me take over 836 00:43:35,383 --> 00:43:37,518 the Manhattan Engineer District. 837 00:43:37,552 --> 00:43:38,686 Which is? 838 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,989 Oh, don't be a smart ass. You know damn well what it is. 839 00:43:42,023 --> 00:43:43,725 You and half of every physics department 840 00:43:43,758 --> 00:43:46,594 across the country. That's problem number one. 841 00:43:46,627 --> 00:43:48,362 I thought problem number one would be 842 00:43:48,396 --> 00:43:49,664 securing enough uranium ore. 843 00:43:49,697 --> 00:43:52,800 1,200 tons bought the day I took charge. 844 00:43:52,834 --> 00:43:54,001 Processing? 845 00:43:54,035 --> 00:43:56,237 Just broke ground at Oak Ridge, Tennessee. 846 00:43:57,038 --> 00:43:58,740 Now I'm looking for a project director. 847 00:43:58,773 --> 00:44:00,875 And my name came up? 848 00:44:00,908 --> 00:44:01,976 Nope. 849 00:44:03,112 --> 00:44:05,346 Even though you brought quantum physics to America. 850 00:44:05,379 --> 00:44:06,748 Which made me curious. 851 00:44:06,781 --> 00:44:08,649 What have you found out? 852 00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:12,053 You're a dilettante, a womanizer, 853 00:44:12,086 --> 00:44:13,421 a suspected Communist... 854 00:44:13,454 --> 00:44:14,856 I'm a New Deal Democrat. 855 00:44:14,889 --> 00:44:16,491 I said "suspected." 856 00:44:16,524 --> 00:44:20,762 Unstable, theatrical, egotistical, neurotic... 857 00:44:20,795 --> 00:44:21,829 Nothing good, no? 858 00:44:21,863 --> 00:44:23,531 Not even "he's brilliant, but..." 859 00:44:23,564 --> 00:44:25,366 Well, brilliance is taken for granted 860 00:44:25,399 --> 00:44:26,901 in your circle, so no. 861 00:44:26,934 --> 00:44:28,903 No, the only person who had anything good to say 862 00:44:28,936 --> 00:44:30,671 was Richard Tolman. 863 00:44:30,705 --> 00:44:32,807 Tolman thinks you have integrity, 864 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,976 but he also strikes me as a guy 865 00:44:35,009 --> 00:44:37,378 who knows more about science than people. 866 00:44:37,411 --> 00:44:41,382 Yet here you are. You don't take much on trust. 867 00:44:41,415 --> 00:44:43,417 I don't take anything on trust. 868 00:44:46,988 --> 00:44:48,723 Why don't you have a Nobel Prize? 869 00:44:48,756 --> 00:44:49,824 Why aren't you a general? 870 00:44:49,857 --> 00:44:51,025 They're making me one for this. 871 00:44:51,058 --> 00:44:52,426 Perhaps I'll have the same luck. 872 00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:54,061 A Nobel Prize for making a bomb? 873 00:44:54,095 --> 00:44:56,430 Alfred Nobel invented dynamite. 874 00:44:58,866 --> 00:45:00,501 So how would you proceed? 875 00:45:02,003 --> 00:45:04,705 You're talking about turning theory 876 00:45:04,739 --> 00:45:06,908 into a practical weapons system 877 00:45:06,941 --> 00:45:08,075 faster than the Nazis. 878 00:45:08,110 --> 00:45:09,844 Who have a 12-month head start. 879 00:45:09,877 --> 00:45:11,012 Eighteen. 880 00:45:11,045 --> 00:45:12,413 How could you possibly know that? 881 00:45:12,446 --> 00:45:14,482 Our fast neutron research took six months. 882 00:45:14,515 --> 00:45:16,017 The man they've undoubtedly put in charge 883 00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:17,451 will have made that leap instantly. 884 00:45:17,485 --> 00:45:18,686 Who do you think they put in charge? 885 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,821 Werner Heisenberg. 886 00:45:19,854 --> 00:45:22,423 He has the most intuitive understanding 887 00:45:22,456 --> 00:45:24,126 of atomic structure I have ever seen. 888 00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:25,860 -You know his work? -I know him. 889 00:45:25,893 --> 00:45:27,728 Just like I know Walther Bothe, von Weizsäcker, Diebner. 890 00:45:27,762 --> 00:45:30,565 In a straight race, the Germans win. 891 00:45:30,598 --> 00:45:33,334 -We've got one hope. -Which is? 892 00:45:33,935 --> 00:45:35,570 Anti-Semitism. 893 00:45:36,704 --> 00:45:37,705 What? 894 00:45:37,738 --> 00:45:40,575 Hitler called quantum physics "Jewish science." 895 00:45:40,608 --> 00:45:42,443 Said it right to Einstein's face. 896 00:45:42,476 --> 00:45:45,713 Our one hope is that Hitler is so... so blinded by hate 897 00:45:45,746 --> 00:45:47,548 that he's denied Heisenberg proper resources, 898 00:45:47,582 --> 00:45:49,517 because it'll take vast resources. 899 00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:51,085 Our nation's best scientists working together. 900 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:52,520 Right now, they're scattered. 901 00:45:52,553 --> 00:45:54,156 Which gives us compartmentalization. 902 00:45:54,189 --> 00:45:56,057 All minds have to see the whole task 903 00:45:56,090 --> 00:45:57,458 to contribute efficiently. 904 00:45:57,491 --> 00:45:59,727 Poor security may cost us the race. 905 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,596 Inefficiency will. 906 00:46:01,629 --> 00:46:03,464 The Germans know more than us anyway. 907 00:46:03,497 --> 00:46:05,600 The Russians don't. 908 00:46:05,633 --> 00:46:09,570 Remind me, who are we at war with? 909 00:46:09,604 --> 00:46:12,039 Somebody with your past doesn't want to be seen 910 00:46:12,073 --> 00:46:13,674 downplaying the importance 911 00:46:13,708 --> 00:46:16,444 of security from our Communist allies. 912 00:46:16,477 --> 00:46:19,147 Point taken. But, no. 913 00:46:19,181 --> 00:46:21,482 You don't get to say "no" to me. 914 00:46:21,515 --> 00:46:23,784 It's my job to say "no" to you when you're wrong. 915 00:46:23,818 --> 00:46:25,820 So you have the job now? 916 00:46:25,853 --> 00:46:27,922 Uh, I'm considering it. 917 00:46:30,625 --> 00:46:32,960 I'm starting to see where you got your reputation. 918 00:46:34,162 --> 00:46:36,597 My favorite response, 919 00:46:36,631 --> 00:46:38,966 "Oppenheimer couldn't run a hamburger stand." 920 00:46:40,935 --> 00:46:41,736 I couldn't. 921 00:46:43,771 --> 00:46:45,940 But I can run the Manhattan Project. 922 00:46:46,807 --> 00:46:48,976 There's a way to balance these things. 923 00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:53,215 Keep the Rad Lab here at Berkeley under Lawrence. 924 00:46:53,248 --> 00:46:55,516 Met Lab in Chicago, under Szilard. 925 00:46:55,549 --> 00:46:57,985 Large-scale refining, where did you say? Tennessee. 926 00:46:58,019 --> 00:46:59,687 -And Hanford. -And Hanford. 927 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,791 All America's industrial might and scientific innovation, 928 00:47:03,824 --> 00:47:05,193 connected by rail. 929 00:47:05,227 --> 00:47:06,894 Focused on one goal. 930 00:47:06,928 --> 00:47:09,630 One point in space and time. And it comes together here. 931 00:47:09,664 --> 00:47:11,966 A secret laboratory. In the middle of nowhere, 932 00:47:11,999 --> 00:47:13,467 secure, self-sufficient, 933 00:47:13,501 --> 00:47:14,869 equipment, housing, the works. 934 00:47:14,902 --> 00:47:17,071 Keep everyone there until it's done. 935 00:47:17,105 --> 00:47:19,141 It'll need a school, stores, a church. 936 00:47:19,174 --> 00:47:20,608 Why? 937 00:47:20,641 --> 00:47:21,943 If we don't let scientists 938 00:47:21,976 --> 00:47:23,678 bring their families, we'll never get the best. 939 00:47:23,711 --> 00:47:25,780 You want security, build a town, build it fast. 940 00:47:25,813 --> 00:47:26,881 Where? 941 00:47:30,885 --> 00:47:32,853 Welcome to Los Alamos. 942 00:47:32,887 --> 00:47:35,690 Now, there's a boys school we'll have to commandeer, 943 00:47:35,723 --> 00:47:37,692 and the local Indians come up here for burial rites. 944 00:47:37,725 --> 00:47:40,962 But, apart from that, nothing. Forty miles. Any direction. 945 00:47:40,995 --> 00:47:42,930 Enough to find the perfect spot. 946 00:47:42,964 --> 00:47:45,466 -For? -Success. 947 00:47:50,738 --> 00:47:52,740 Build him a town. Fast. 948 00:47:53,774 --> 00:47:56,278 Let's go recruit some scientists. 949 00:47:56,311 --> 00:47:58,646 Why would I leave my family? 950 00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,115 I told you, you can bring your family. 951 00:48:00,148 --> 00:48:01,582 I'm not a soldier, Oppie. 952 00:48:01,615 --> 00:48:03,718 A soldier? He's a general. 953 00:48:03,751 --> 00:48:05,586 I've got all the soldier I need. 954 00:48:05,619 --> 00:48:07,189 What can I tell them? 955 00:48:07,222 --> 00:48:09,557 Heisenberg, Diebner, Bothe and Bohr. 956 00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:10,891 What do these men have in common? 957 00:48:10,925 --> 00:48:12,927 The greatest minds on atomic theory. 958 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,296 -Yes, and? -Uh... 959 00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:17,598 As much as you like, 960 00:48:17,631 --> 00:48:19,767 until you feel my boot on your balls. 961 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,570 You know isotopes and you know explosives 962 00:48:22,603 --> 00:48:23,904 better than anyone in the world. 963 00:48:23,938 --> 00:48:26,540 But you can't tell us what you're doing? 964 00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:31,846 -I don't know. -The Nazis have them. 965 00:48:31,879 --> 00:48:34,015 -Niels Bohr's in Copenhagen. -Under Nazi occupation. 966 00:48:34,048 --> 00:48:35,916 Did they stop printing newspapers in Princeton? 967 00:48:35,950 --> 00:48:38,286 Why would we go to the middle of nowhere 968 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,787 for who knows how long? 969 00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:41,922 For a year or two. Or three. 970 00:48:42,923 --> 00:48:46,527 Uh, General, could you give us a moment? 971 00:48:47,595 --> 00:48:50,664 It's about unleashing the strong force... 972 00:48:51,799 --> 00:48:53,201 ...before the Nazis do. 973 00:48:53,235 --> 00:48:55,170 Oh, my God. 974 00:48:55,203 --> 00:48:56,304 Niels won't work for the Nazis. 975 00:48:56,338 --> 00:48:57,638 No, never. 976 00:48:57,671 --> 00:48:59,974 But while they have him, we don't. 977 00:49:00,007 --> 00:49:01,176 That's why I need you. 978 00:49:01,209 --> 00:49:03,178 Why would you think I'd do that? 979 00:49:03,211 --> 00:49:05,046 "Why?" "Why?" 980 00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,282 How about because this is the most important fucking thing 981 00:49:07,315 --> 00:49:09,317 to ever happen in the history of the world. 982 00:49:09,351 --> 00:49:10,785 How about that? 983 00:49:11,353 --> 00:49:12,787 Fuck. 984 00:49:17,725 --> 00:49:20,094 They are not gonna let me onto this project. 985 00:49:20,128 --> 00:49:22,197 And failing a security check is not gonna be good 986 00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:23,898 for a career, even after the war. 987 00:49:23,931 --> 00:49:26,700 So you're a fellow traveler. So what? 988 00:49:26,734 --> 00:49:28,102 This is a national emergency. 989 00:49:28,136 --> 00:49:31,306 I've got some skeletons, they put me in charge. 990 00:49:31,339 --> 00:49:32,640 They need us. 991 00:49:32,673 --> 00:49:34,842 Until they don't. 992 00:49:37,912 --> 00:49:40,315 Is there any chance of getting Bohr out of Denmark? 993 00:49:40,348 --> 00:49:43,351 Nah, no dice. I checked with the British. 994 00:49:43,385 --> 00:49:45,686 Until we get Allied boots back onto the continent, 995 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,122 there's just no way. 996 00:49:48,656 --> 00:49:50,091 Is he that important? 997 00:49:50,125 --> 00:49:53,161 How many people do you know who proved Einstein wrong? 998 00:49:54,229 --> 00:49:56,331 You know, it really would be quicker to take a plane. 999 00:49:56,364 --> 00:49:58,099 No, plane's too risky. 1000 00:49:58,133 --> 00:50:00,601 Country needs us. 1001 00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:04,071 The Harvard guys, 1002 00:50:04,106 --> 00:50:06,674 they say the building's too small for the cyclotron. 1003 00:50:08,909 --> 00:50:10,811 Get them together with the architects. 1004 00:50:14,014 --> 00:50:16,016 When's this place supposed to open? 1005 00:50:19,121 --> 00:50:19,920 Two months. 1006 00:50:21,055 --> 00:50:23,325 Robert, you're the great improviser, 1007 00:50:23,358 --> 00:50:25,393 but this... 1008 00:50:25,427 --> 00:50:27,027 you can't do in your head. 1009 00:50:28,062 --> 00:50:29,663 Four divisions. 1010 00:50:30,798 --> 00:50:34,402 Experimental, Theoretical, Metallurgical, Ordnance. 1011 00:50:34,436 --> 00:50:35,403 Who's running Theoretical? 1012 00:50:35,437 --> 00:50:36,837 I am. 1013 00:50:36,871 --> 00:50:38,072 That's what I was afraid of. 1014 00:50:38,106 --> 00:50:39,974 You're spread too thin. 1015 00:50:41,176 --> 00:50:42,877 So you take Theoretical. 1016 00:50:45,447 --> 00:50:48,682 I'm not coming here, Robert. 1017 00:50:54,322 --> 00:50:55,990 Why not? 1018 00:51:01,862 --> 00:51:05,933 You drop a bomb and it falls on the just and the unjust. 1019 00:51:07,202 --> 00:51:09,837 I don't wish the culmination of three centuries of physics 1020 00:51:09,870 --> 00:51:12,274 to be a weapon of mass destruction. 1021 00:51:21,483 --> 00:51:22,816 Izzy. 1022 00:51:23,951 --> 00:51:28,088 I don't know if we can be trusted with such a weapon. 1023 00:51:29,457 --> 00:51:32,760 But I know the Nazis can't. 1024 00:51:36,164 --> 00:51:38,966 We have no choice. 1025 00:51:40,368 --> 00:51:41,802 Then... 1026 00:51:43,138 --> 00:51:45,507 ...the second thing you'll have to do is appoint 1027 00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:47,808 Hans Bethe to run the Theoretical division. 1028 00:51:50,178 --> 00:51:52,012 Wait, what was the first? 1029 00:51:52,046 --> 00:51:54,516 Take off that ridiculous uniform. 1030 00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:55,749 You're a scientist. 1031 00:51:55,783 --> 00:51:57,385 Groves is insisting we join. 1032 00:51:57,419 --> 00:51:59,853 Tell Groves to go shit in his hat. 1033 00:51:59,887 --> 00:52:03,358 They need us for who we are. So be yourself. 1034 00:52:03,391 --> 00:52:05,360 Only better. 1035 00:52:44,399 --> 00:52:46,434 This is the only key. 1036 00:52:46,468 --> 00:52:47,901 And Teller's already here. 1037 00:52:47,935 --> 00:52:49,803 Shall I just show him in? 1038 00:52:49,837 --> 00:52:51,506 No, let's wait for the others. 1039 00:52:59,447 --> 00:53:00,448 Let's get started. 1040 00:53:00,482 --> 00:53:02,550 Hello, Edward. 1041 00:53:02,584 --> 00:53:04,286 Yes. 1042 00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,020 Gentlemen, so, we will work here 1043 00:53:06,053 --> 00:53:09,056 until the T-section at Los Alamos is finished. 1044 00:53:09,089 --> 00:53:11,393 -Edward, can I please... -It is more important. 1045 00:53:13,461 --> 00:53:15,430 When I calculated the chain reaction, 1046 00:53:15,463 --> 00:53:18,166 I found a rather troubling possibility. 1047 00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,302 No. 1048 00:53:20,335 --> 00:53:21,569 But this can't be right. 1049 00:53:21,603 --> 00:53:23,538 Show me how you did your calculations. 1050 00:53:23,571 --> 00:53:24,972 Yes. 1051 00:53:28,476 --> 00:53:29,544 It's exponential. 1052 00:53:29,577 --> 00:53:32,046 No. No, no, no. No. 1053 00:53:34,582 --> 00:53:36,584 This is fantasy. 1054 00:53:36,618 --> 00:53:38,886 Teller's calculations can't be right. 1055 00:53:38,919 --> 00:53:41,589 Do them yourself while I go to Princeton. 1056 00:53:41,623 --> 00:53:43,458 -What for? -To talk to Einstein. 1057 00:53:43,491 --> 00:53:46,060 Well, there's not much common ground between you two. 1058 00:53:46,093 --> 00:53:49,130 That's why I should get his view. 1059 00:53:52,567 --> 00:53:54,569 -Albert. -Hmm? 1060 00:53:54,602 --> 00:53:57,505 Ah. Dr. Oppenheimer. 1061 00:53:57,539 --> 00:53:59,006 Well, have you met Dr. Gödel? 1062 00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:00,608 We walk here most days. 1063 00:54:00,642 --> 00:54:05,447 Trees are the most inspiring structures. 1064 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,947 Albert, might I have a word? 1065 00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:10,385 Of course. 'Scuse me, Kurt. 1066 00:54:11,386 --> 00:54:14,322 You know, some days, Kurt refuses to eat. 1067 00:54:14,356 --> 00:54:15,956 Even in Princeton. 1068 00:54:15,989 --> 00:54:19,093 He's convinced that the Nazis can poison his food. 1069 00:54:19,127 --> 00:54:20,395 Mm. 1070 00:54:20,428 --> 00:54:22,263 Hmm? Huh. 1071 00:54:24,132 --> 00:54:25,966 Wha... 1072 00:54:30,505 --> 00:54:33,341 Whose... Whose work is this? 1073 00:54:33,375 --> 00:54:34,409 Teller's. 1074 00:54:35,543 --> 00:54:38,011 What do you take it to mean? 1075 00:54:38,045 --> 00:54:39,980 Neutrons smash into nucleus, 1076 00:54:40,013 --> 00:54:44,051 releasing neutrons to smash into other nuclei. 1077 00:54:44,084 --> 00:54:46,287 Criticality, a point of no return, 1078 00:54:46,321 --> 00:54:47,921 massive explosive force. 1079 00:54:47,955 --> 00:54:50,291 But this time, the chain reaction doesn't stop. 1080 00:54:51,192 --> 00:54:54,162 It would ignite the atmosphere. 1081 00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:57,198 When we detonate an atomic device, 1082 00:54:57,232 --> 00:54:59,401 we might start a chain reaction that... 1083 00:55:00,368 --> 00:55:01,902 ...destroys the world. 1084 00:55:03,070 --> 00:55:04,972 So here we are, hmm? 1085 00:55:05,005 --> 00:55:09,310 Lost in your quantum world of probabilities 1086 00:55:09,344 --> 00:55:11,078 and needing certainty. 1087 00:55:11,112 --> 00:55:13,981 Can you run the calculations yourself? 1088 00:55:14,014 --> 00:55:15,417 About the only thing 1089 00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:18,720 you and I have in common is a disdain for mathematics. 1090 00:55:18,753 --> 00:55:21,322 Who's working on this in-in Berkeley? 1091 00:55:21,356 --> 00:55:22,657 Hans Bethe. 1092 00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:24,526 Well, he'll get to the truth. 1093 00:55:26,161 --> 00:55:29,029 And if the truth is catastrophic? 1094 00:55:29,062 --> 00:55:30,365 Then you stop. 1095 00:55:30,398 --> 00:55:34,135 And you share your findings with the Nazis. 1096 00:55:34,169 --> 00:55:37,305 So neither side destroys the world. 1097 00:55:40,508 --> 00:55:41,543 Robert. 1098 00:55:43,010 --> 00:55:46,214 This is yours, not mine. 1099 00:55:59,092 --> 00:56:00,495 Teller's wrong. 1100 00:56:00,528 --> 00:56:01,729 He's wrong. 1101 00:56:11,406 --> 00:56:14,108 When you know Teller's critical assumptions, 1102 00:56:14,142 --> 00:56:15,477 the real picture emerges. 1103 00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:17,312 Bottom line? 1104 00:56:17,345 --> 00:56:19,447 The chances of an uncontrolled nuclear reaction 1105 00:56:19,481 --> 00:56:20,482 are near zero. 1106 00:56:20,515 --> 00:56:23,151 Near zero. 1107 00:56:23,184 --> 00:56:25,453 -Oppie, this is good news. -Mm. 1108 00:56:26,788 --> 00:56:28,021 Can you run them again? 1109 00:56:28,055 --> 00:56:29,791 No, you'll get the same answer. 1110 00:56:29,824 --> 00:56:31,392 Till they actually detonate one of these things, 1111 00:56:31,426 --> 00:56:34,262 the best assurance you're going to get is this. 1112 00:56:34,295 --> 00:56:35,363 Near zero. 1113 00:56:37,565 --> 00:56:40,235 Theory will take you only so far. 1114 00:56:40,268 --> 00:56:41,769 -Mm. -Hello! 1115 00:56:41,803 --> 00:56:43,104 -Hello, you. -Hi. 1116 00:56:43,137 --> 00:56:44,472 We missed him. 1117 00:56:44,506 --> 00:56:45,640 You want to adopt? 1118 00:56:45,673 --> 00:56:47,074 She's kidding. 1119 00:56:47,108 --> 00:56:49,042 We wanted to see you before we left. 1120 00:56:49,076 --> 00:56:52,247 For parts unknown. 1121 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,816 You know who I ran into the other day? 1122 00:56:54,849 --> 00:56:56,484 Eltenton. 1123 00:56:56,518 --> 00:56:57,785 Oh. 1124 00:56:57,819 --> 00:56:59,521 The chemist from Shell? The union guy? 1125 00:56:59,554 --> 00:57:03,424 Yeah. He... The, uh, F.A.E.C.T. guy. 1126 00:57:03,458 --> 00:57:06,828 He was moaning about how we're handling the war. 1127 00:57:06,861 --> 00:57:09,062 How so? 1128 00:57:09,096 --> 00:57:11,833 Lack of cooperation with our allies. 1129 00:57:11,866 --> 00:57:14,202 Apparently our government's not sharing 1130 00:57:14,235 --> 00:57:16,337 any research with the Russians. 1131 00:57:16,371 --> 00:57:17,338 Well, he said, 1132 00:57:17,372 --> 00:57:20,108 "Most scientists think the policy is stupid." 1133 00:57:23,444 --> 00:57:25,280 -Oh, yeah? -Yeah. 1134 00:57:25,313 --> 00:57:27,682 He mentioned that if anyone 1135 00:57:27,715 --> 00:57:30,685 had anything they wanted to pass on, 1136 00:57:30,718 --> 00:57:32,554 uh, going around official channels, 1137 00:57:32,587 --> 00:57:34,522 that he could help. 1138 00:57:43,164 --> 00:57:44,832 That would be treason. 1139 00:57:44,866 --> 00:57:47,702 Yes, of course. 1140 00:57:47,735 --> 00:57:49,537 I just thought you should know. 1141 00:57:52,674 --> 00:57:54,142 The brat is down. 1142 00:57:54,175 --> 00:57:55,543 Where are the martinis? 1143 00:58:00,748 --> 00:58:02,250 Coming right up. 1144 00:58:02,283 --> 00:58:03,751 Conversation ended there. 1145 00:58:03,785 --> 00:58:05,887 Nothing in our long-standing friendship 1146 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,488 would have led me to believe 1147 00:58:07,522 --> 00:58:10,258 that Chevalier was actually seeking information, 1148 00:58:10,291 --> 00:58:12,760 and I am certain that he had no idea 1149 00:58:12,794 --> 00:58:15,095 of the work in which I was engaged. 1150 00:58:19,634 --> 00:58:21,603 It has long been clear to me 1151 00:58:21,636 --> 00:58:24,339 that I should have reported this incident at once. 1152 00:58:24,372 --> 00:58:25,873 The Oppenheimer situation 1153 00:58:25,907 --> 00:58:28,810 highlights the tension between scientists 1154 00:58:28,843 --> 00:58:30,445 and the security apparatus. 1155 00:58:30,478 --> 00:58:32,347 In hopes of learning how the nominee handled 1156 00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:34,716 such issues during his time at the AEC, 1157 00:58:34,749 --> 00:58:38,252 we'll have a scientist appearing before the committee. 1158 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,488 Who are they bringing in? 1159 00:58:40,521 --> 00:58:41,489 They hadn't said. 1160 00:58:41,522 --> 00:58:42,890 Mr. Chairman, if I may, 1161 00:58:42,924 --> 00:58:45,460 I'm nominated for Commerce Secretary. 1162 00:58:45,493 --> 00:58:47,795 Why seek the opinion of scientists? 1163 00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:50,164 This is a Cabinet post, Admiral. 1164 00:58:50,198 --> 00:58:52,367 We seek a wide range of opinion. 1165 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,203 Well, I'd like to know the name of the scientist testifying. 1166 00:58:55,236 --> 00:58:56,738 I'd like the chance to cross-examine. 1167 00:58:56,771 --> 00:58:58,906 This is not a court. 1168 00:58:58,940 --> 00:59:01,342 Formality, huh? 1169 00:59:01,376 --> 00:59:02,644 No presidential Cabinet nominee 1170 00:59:02,677 --> 00:59:05,246 has failed to be confirmed since 1925. 1171 00:59:05,279 --> 00:59:07,382 This is just how the game is played. 1172 00:59:07,415 --> 00:59:08,716 It's in the bag, Lewis. 1173 00:59:08,750 --> 00:59:09,951 So play nice. 1174 00:59:09,984 --> 00:59:12,253 They bring in a scientist, so what? 1175 00:59:12,286 --> 00:59:14,288 You don't know scientists like I do, Counselor. 1176 00:59:14,322 --> 00:59:16,357 They resent anyone who questions their judgment, 1177 00:59:16,391 --> 00:59:18,393 especially if you're not one of them. 1178 00:59:18,426 --> 00:59:19,727 I was chair of the AEC. 1179 00:59:19,761 --> 00:59:22,196 I'm easy to blame for what happened to Robert. 1180 00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:23,531 We can't have the Senate thinking 1181 00:59:23,564 --> 00:59:26,668 the scientific community doesn't support you, sir. 1182 00:59:26,701 --> 00:59:28,536 Or should we pivot? 1183 00:59:28,569 --> 00:59:30,538 -To what? -And embrace it. 1184 00:59:30,571 --> 00:59:33,341 "I fought Oppenheimer, and the US won." 1185 00:59:33,374 --> 00:59:34,942 I-I don't think we need to go there. 1186 00:59:34,976 --> 00:59:37,245 Isn't there someone we can call who knows what really happened? 1187 00:59:37,278 --> 00:59:38,713 -Teller. -He'll make an impression. 1188 00:59:38,746 --> 00:59:40,815 Can you get the name of the scientist they've called? 1189 00:59:40,848 --> 00:59:42,417 -Probably. -Find out if he was 1190 00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:44,819 based in Chicago or Los Alamos during the war. 1191 00:59:44,852 --> 00:59:46,220 Why does that matter? 1192 00:59:46,254 --> 00:59:47,455 Well, if he was based in Chicago, 1193 00:59:47,488 --> 00:59:48,890 then he worked under Szilard and Fermi, 1194 00:59:48,923 --> 00:59:51,225 not the cult of Oppie at Los Alamos. 1195 00:59:51,259 --> 00:59:52,493 Robert built that damn place. 1196 00:59:52,527 --> 00:59:55,296 He was founder, mayor, sheriff, 1197 00:59:55,329 --> 00:59:56,731 all rolled into one. 1198 01:00:09,677 --> 01:00:11,479 All it needs is a saloon. 1199 01:00:39,907 --> 01:00:42,477 There's no kitchen. 1200 01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:46,447 Really? We'll fix that. 1201 01:00:52,353 --> 01:00:55,757 Barbed wire, guns. 1202 01:00:55,790 --> 01:00:56,891 Oppie. 1203 01:00:56,924 --> 01:00:58,559 We're at war, Hans. 1204 01:01:00,962 --> 01:01:03,531 Halifax. 1917. 1205 01:01:03,564 --> 01:01:06,534 A cargo ship carrying munitions explodes in the harbor. 1206 01:01:08,936 --> 01:01:11,873 A vast and sudden chemical reaction. 1207 01:01:15,543 --> 01:01:18,379 The biggest man-made explosion in history. 1208 01:01:18,412 --> 01:01:20,381 Now let's calculate how much more destructive 1209 01:01:20,414 --> 01:01:23,084 it would have been if it were a nuclear 1210 01:01:23,118 --> 01:01:24,786 and not a chemical reaction. 1211 01:01:24,819 --> 01:01:28,456 Expressing power in terms of tons of TNT. 1212 01:01:28,489 --> 01:01:29,991 But it will be thousands. 1213 01:01:30,024 --> 01:01:33,461 Well, then kilotons. 1214 01:01:37,031 --> 01:01:40,401 Using U-235, 1215 01:01:40,434 --> 01:01:43,004 -the bomb will need a... -Uh-uh. 1216 01:01:43,037 --> 01:01:46,108 Sorry. Gadget will need a 33-pound sphere 1217 01:01:46,141 --> 01:01:47,608 about this size. 1218 01:01:47,642 --> 01:01:51,445 Or using plutonium, the ten-pound sphere. 1219 01:01:52,847 --> 01:01:54,081 Here's the amount of uranium 1220 01:01:54,116 --> 01:01:57,451 Oak Ridge refined all of last month. 1221 01:01:59,854 --> 01:02:03,858 And the Hanford plant made this much plutonium. 1222 01:02:04,992 --> 01:02:08,095 Now, if we can enrich these amounts, 1223 01:02:08,130 --> 01:02:10,932 we need a way to detonate them. 1224 01:02:10,965 --> 01:02:13,067 Are we boring you, Edward? 1225 01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:14,702 A little bit, yes. 1226 01:02:14,735 --> 01:02:15,970 May I ask why? 1227 01:02:16,003 --> 01:02:17,438 We all entered this room 1228 01:02:17,471 --> 01:02:19,407 knowing a fission bomb was possible. 1229 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,043 How 'bout we leave it with something new? 1230 01:02:22,076 --> 01:02:23,077 Such as? 1231 01:02:23,111 --> 01:02:25,847 Instead of uranium or plutonium, 1232 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:26,881 we use hydrogen. 1233 01:02:28,449 --> 01:02:30,051 -Heavy hydrogen. -Hydrogen. 1234 01:02:30,084 --> 01:02:32,854 Deuterium. You see? 1235 01:02:32,887 --> 01:02:34,589 We compact the atoms together 1236 01:02:34,622 --> 01:02:37,692 under great pressure to induce a fusion reaction. 1237 01:02:38,626 --> 01:02:41,462 Then we'll get not kilotons, 1238 01:02:41,495 --> 01:02:42,563 but megatons. 1239 01:02:42,597 --> 01:02:43,531 A big fission reaction... 1240 01:02:43,564 --> 01:02:45,133 Okay, hang on, hang on. 1241 01:02:45,167 --> 01:02:49,871 So how do you generate enough force to fuse hydrogen atoms? 1242 01:02:49,904 --> 01:02:51,973 A small fission bomb. 1243 01:02:52,006 --> 01:02:53,708 There we are. 1244 01:02:55,643 --> 01:02:57,445 Well, since we're going to need one anyway, 1245 01:02:57,478 --> 01:02:59,447 can we get back to the business at hand? 1246 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,815 The isotopes issue 1247 01:03:00,848 --> 01:03:04,485 wasn't your most important policy disagreement 1248 01:03:04,518 --> 01:03:06,154 with Dr. Oppenheimer. 1249 01:03:06,188 --> 01:03:08,589 It was the hydrogen bomb, wasn't it? 1250 01:03:08,623 --> 01:03:11,492 Uh, as colleagues, we agreed to disagree 1251 01:03:11,525 --> 01:03:13,527 on a great many things, uh, 1252 01:03:13,561 --> 01:03:14,795 and, well, one of them 1253 01:03:14,829 --> 01:03:17,899 was the need for an H-bomb program, yes. 1254 01:03:30,745 --> 01:03:33,514 Thanks for convening on short notice. 1255 01:03:33,547 --> 01:03:35,016 I can't believe it. 1256 01:03:36,017 --> 01:03:37,551 Well, here we are. 1257 01:03:37,585 --> 01:03:39,587 Catch me up. What do we know? 1258 01:03:39,620 --> 01:03:42,124 One of our B-29s over the North Pacific 1259 01:03:42,157 --> 01:03:43,658 has detected radiation. 1260 01:03:43,691 --> 01:03:45,459 Do we have the filter papers? 1261 01:03:45,493 --> 01:03:47,495 There's no doubt what this is. 1262 01:03:47,528 --> 01:03:48,729 White House says there's a doubt. 1263 01:03:48,763 --> 01:03:50,198 Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. 1264 01:03:50,232 --> 01:03:52,934 Are those the long-range detection filter papers? 1265 01:03:53,868 --> 01:03:55,937 It's an atomic test. 1266 01:03:58,572 --> 01:03:59,974 The Russians have a bomb. 1267 01:04:00,007 --> 01:04:03,744 We're supposed to be years ahead of them, but some... 1268 01:04:03,778 --> 01:04:06,080 What were you guys doing at Los Alamos? 1269 01:04:06,114 --> 01:04:07,249 Wasn't security tight? 1270 01:04:07,282 --> 01:04:08,783 Of course it was. You weren't there. 1271 01:04:08,816 --> 01:04:11,219 -It was... -Forgive me, Doctor... 1272 01:04:11,253 --> 01:04:13,688 but I was there. 1273 01:04:14,755 --> 01:04:16,090 We can now consider 1274 01:04:16,124 --> 01:04:18,059 the actual mechanics of detonation. 1275 01:04:18,092 --> 01:04:19,227 Any ideas? 1276 01:04:19,261 --> 01:04:20,995 I call this "shooting." 1277 01:04:21,028 --> 01:04:24,565 We fire a chunk of fissionable material into a larger sphere 1278 01:04:24,598 --> 01:04:27,101 with enough force to achieve criticality. 1279 01:04:27,135 --> 01:04:28,803 What do we think? Anyone? 1280 01:04:28,836 --> 01:04:30,638 I've been thinking about implosion. 1281 01:04:30,671 --> 01:04:32,640 Explosives around the sphere blast inwards, 1282 01:04:32,673 --> 01:04:34,709 crushing the material. 1283 01:04:34,742 --> 01:04:36,677 I'd like to investigate that idea. 1284 01:04:36,711 --> 01:04:39,013 I'll talk to Ordnance, get you blowing things up. 1285 01:04:40,014 --> 01:04:41,116 Progress? 1286 01:04:41,149 --> 01:04:42,984 Nice to see you too. 1287 01:04:43,017 --> 01:04:44,785 Meet the British contingent. 1288 01:04:44,819 --> 01:04:46,654 Dr. Oppenheimer, Klaus Fuchs. 1289 01:04:46,687 --> 01:04:48,556 How long have you been British? 1290 01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:49,790 Since Hitler told me I wasn't German. 1291 01:04:49,824 --> 01:04:53,627 Uh-huh. Come, welcome to Los Alamos. 1292 01:04:53,661 --> 01:04:55,529 School's up and running. 1293 01:04:55,563 --> 01:04:57,865 Bar. Always running. 1294 01:04:57,898 --> 01:05:00,901 And I thought of a way to reduce support staff. 1295 01:05:01,869 --> 01:05:03,871 -Is that... -Mrs. Serber, yes. 1296 01:05:03,904 --> 01:05:05,307 I've offered jobs to all the wives. 1297 01:05:05,340 --> 01:05:06,807 Admin, librarians, computation. 1298 01:05:06,841 --> 01:05:09,144 We cut down on staff, keep families together. 1299 01:05:09,177 --> 01:05:11,746 -Are these women qualified? -Don't be absurd. 1300 01:05:11,779 --> 01:05:14,149 These are some of the brightest minds in our community. 1301 01:05:14,182 --> 01:05:15,750 And they're already security cleared. 1302 01:05:15,783 --> 01:05:17,651 I've informed General Groves you've been holding 1303 01:05:17,685 --> 01:05:19,154 cross-divisional open discussions 1304 01:05:19,187 --> 01:05:20,888 -on a nightly basis. -Shut them down. 1305 01:05:20,921 --> 01:05:23,258 Compartmentalization is the key to maintaining security... 1306 01:05:23,291 --> 01:05:24,792 It's only the top men. 1307 01:05:24,825 --> 01:05:26,660 Who presumably communicate with subordinates. 1308 01:05:26,694 --> 01:05:27,895 These men aren't stupid. 1309 01:05:27,928 --> 01:05:29,764 -They can be discreet. -I don't like it. 1310 01:05:29,797 --> 01:05:32,700 You don't like anything enough for that to be a fair test. 1311 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,775 Once a week. Top men only. 1312 01:05:40,808 --> 01:05:42,177 I'd like to bring my brother here. 1313 01:05:42,210 --> 01:05:43,677 No. 1314 01:05:44,312 --> 01:05:46,080 Uh, Nichols... 1315 01:05:47,215 --> 01:05:49,151 I still haven't heard that my security clearance 1316 01:05:49,184 --> 01:05:50,751 -has been approved. -It hasn't. 1317 01:05:50,785 --> 01:05:52,154 We're going to Chicago tomorrow. 1318 01:05:52,187 --> 01:05:53,221 No, you should wait. 1319 01:05:54,423 --> 01:05:55,524 You are aware that the Nazis have a two-year head start. 1320 01:05:55,556 --> 01:05:58,626 Dr. Oppenheimer, the fact that your security clearance 1321 01:05:58,659 --> 01:06:00,661 is proving difficult to obtain is not my fault. 1322 01:06:00,694 --> 01:06:01,962 It's yours. 1323 01:06:01,996 --> 01:06:03,931 May not be your fault, but it's your problem. 1324 01:06:03,964 --> 01:06:04,965 Because I'm going. 1325 01:06:04,999 --> 01:06:08,769 And how many people were in these, uh, 1326 01:06:08,803 --> 01:06:11,005 -open discussions? -Too many. 1327 01:06:11,038 --> 01:06:12,374 Compartmentalization was supposed to be the protocol. 1328 01:06:12,407 --> 01:06:14,342 We were in a race against the Nazis. 1329 01:06:14,376 --> 01:06:16,811 And now the race is against the Soviets. 1330 01:06:16,844 --> 01:06:18,346 -Not unless we start it. -Robert. 1331 01:06:18,380 --> 01:06:21,782 They just fired a starting gun. 1332 01:06:21,816 --> 01:06:23,784 What's the nature of the device they detonated? 1333 01:06:23,818 --> 01:06:25,353 The data indicates it may have been 1334 01:06:25,387 --> 01:06:27,688 a plutonium implosion device. 1335 01:06:27,721 --> 01:06:30,825 Like the one you built at Los Alamos. 1336 01:06:30,858 --> 01:06:32,693 The Russians have a bomb, 1337 01:06:32,726 --> 01:06:33,994 Truman needs to know what's next. 1338 01:06:34,028 --> 01:06:35,830 What's next? Arms talks. 1339 01:06:35,863 --> 01:06:37,731 -Arms talks. -Obviously. 1340 01:06:38,666 --> 01:06:39,867 What about the Super? 1341 01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:41,635 Does Truman even know about it? 1342 01:06:41,669 --> 01:06:43,671 Did we brief him on that? 1343 01:06:43,704 --> 01:06:44,772 Not specifically. 1344 01:06:44,805 --> 01:06:46,108 We still don't know 1345 01:06:46,141 --> 01:06:47,908 if a hydrogen bomb's technically feasible. 1346 01:06:47,942 --> 01:06:49,844 Right, my understanding is that Teller proposed it? 1347 01:06:49,877 --> 01:06:51,712 -Yes. -At Los Alamos? 1348 01:06:51,745 --> 01:06:53,381 Teller's designs have always been wildly impractical. 1349 01:06:53,415 --> 01:06:55,749 You'd have to deliver by ox cart. 1350 01:06:55,783 --> 01:06:57,051 -Not airplane. -Oppie. 1351 01:06:57,084 --> 01:07:00,788 I'm sorry, Dr. Lawrence, you want to comment? 1352 01:07:02,022 --> 01:07:03,125 No. 1353 01:07:04,992 --> 01:07:07,262 Because if it can put us ahead again, 1354 01:07:07,295 --> 01:07:10,332 the President of the United States 1355 01:07:10,365 --> 01:07:12,367 needs to know about it. 1356 01:07:13,901 --> 01:07:15,703 And if the Russians know about it already, 1357 01:07:15,736 --> 01:07:18,739 from a spy at Los Alamos, 1358 01:07:18,772 --> 01:07:20,074 then we've gotta get going. 1359 01:07:20,108 --> 01:07:23,077 There's no proof there was a spy at Los Alamos. 1360 01:07:23,111 --> 01:07:24,179 Robert. 1361 01:07:29,016 --> 01:07:30,784 They put it under the football stadium? 1362 01:07:30,818 --> 01:07:32,753 The field's not in use anymore. 1363 01:07:32,786 --> 01:07:35,022 Just as well. 1364 01:07:36,324 --> 01:07:38,759 -Oppie. -Dr. Fermi. 1365 01:07:41,463 --> 01:07:42,796 I hear you got a little town. 1366 01:07:42,830 --> 01:07:44,064 Yes. Come and see. 1367 01:07:45,799 --> 01:07:49,904 Who could think straight in a place like that? Huh? 1368 01:07:49,937 --> 01:07:51,872 Everybody will go crazy. 1369 01:07:51,906 --> 01:07:55,776 Thank you for the vote of confidence, Szilard. 1370 01:07:55,809 --> 01:07:59,447 Do we really... do we really need that in the notes? 1371 01:07:59,481 --> 01:08:01,916 When are you going to try it out? 1372 01:08:01,949 --> 01:08:02,983 We did. 1373 01:08:03,017 --> 01:08:07,389 The first self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction. 1374 01:08:07,422 --> 01:08:09,056 Didn't Groves tell you? 1375 01:08:09,089 --> 01:08:10,724 No. 1376 01:08:15,230 --> 01:08:18,333 One at a time, please, one at a time. 1377 01:08:18,366 --> 01:08:19,833 Dr. Oppenheimer? 1378 01:08:20,935 --> 01:08:23,405 I tried Personnel. They asked if I could type. 1379 01:08:23,438 --> 01:08:24,738 Can you? 1380 01:08:24,772 --> 01:08:25,906 Harvard forgot to teach that 1381 01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:27,775 on the graduate chemistry course. 1382 01:08:29,144 --> 01:08:32,046 Condon, put Mrs. Hornig here on the plutonium team. 1383 01:08:37,818 --> 01:08:39,487 What the hell were you doing in Chicago? 1384 01:08:39,521 --> 01:08:40,988 Visiting the Met? 1385 01:08:41,021 --> 01:08:42,022 -Why? Why? -Well, you can't talk to... 1386 01:08:42,056 --> 01:08:44,091 Because we have every right... 1387 01:08:44,125 --> 01:08:46,461 You have just the rights that I give you. 1388 01:08:46,494 --> 01:08:47,962 No more, no less. 1389 01:08:47,995 --> 01:08:50,432 We are adults trying to run a project here. 1390 01:08:50,465 --> 01:08:52,167 This is ridiculous. 1391 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:53,968 Tell him. 1392 01:08:54,001 --> 01:08:57,138 Compartmentalization is the protocol we agreed to. 1393 01:08:58,273 --> 01:08:59,507 Enough of this madhouse. 1394 01:08:59,541 --> 01:09:01,909 Nobody can work under these conditions. 1395 01:09:01,942 --> 01:09:06,381 You know what, Generalissimo? I quit. 1396 01:09:06,414 --> 01:09:07,815 Thanks for nothing. 1397 01:09:09,917 --> 01:09:11,419 Better off without him. 1398 01:09:12,853 --> 01:09:13,887 Aren't you more concerned 1399 01:09:13,921 --> 01:09:16,291 about his discretion out there? 1400 01:09:16,324 --> 01:09:18,727 We'll have him killed. 1401 01:09:19,561 --> 01:09:22,130 I was just kidding. 1402 01:09:22,163 --> 01:09:25,099 -No, he hates me, not America. -You know, General, 1403 01:09:25,133 --> 01:09:27,469 not everyone has levers to pull like mine. 1404 01:09:27,502 --> 01:09:29,337 I don't think I understand. 1405 01:09:29,371 --> 01:09:31,539 You didn't hire me despite my left-wing past. 1406 01:09:31,573 --> 01:09:33,308 You hired me because of it. 1407 01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:36,278 So you could control me. 1408 01:09:36,311 --> 01:09:38,912 Well, I'm not that subtle. 1409 01:09:38,946 --> 01:09:40,981 I'm just a humble soldier. 1410 01:09:41,015 --> 01:09:42,517 You're neither humble nor just a soldier. 1411 01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:43,551 You studied engineering at MIT. 1412 01:09:43,585 --> 01:09:45,420 Guilty as charged. 1413 01:09:45,453 --> 01:09:46,954 Well, now we understand each other, 1414 01:09:46,987 --> 01:09:48,423 perhaps you can get me my security clearance 1415 01:09:48,456 --> 01:09:51,259 so I can perform this miracle for you. 1416 01:09:56,164 --> 01:09:57,898 General Groves, were you aware 1417 01:09:57,931 --> 01:10:00,235 of Dr. Oppenheimer's left-wing associations 1418 01:10:00,268 --> 01:10:01,935 when you appointed him? 1419 01:10:01,969 --> 01:10:03,605 I was aware that there were suspicions about him. 1420 01:10:03,638 --> 01:10:05,507 I was aware he had a very extreme 1421 01:10:05,540 --> 01:10:06,907 liberal background. 1422 01:10:06,940 --> 01:10:08,543 In your opinion, would he ever consciously 1423 01:10:08,576 --> 01:10:09,877 commit a disloyal act? 1424 01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:11,513 I would be amazed if he did. 1425 01:10:11,546 --> 01:10:14,616 So you had complete confidence in his integrity. 1426 01:10:14,649 --> 01:10:16,050 At Los Alamos, yes, 1427 01:10:16,083 --> 01:10:17,419 which is where I really knew him. 1428 01:10:17,452 --> 01:10:19,421 General, did your security officers 1429 01:10:19,454 --> 01:10:20,921 on the project advise you 1430 01:10:20,954 --> 01:10:22,424 against the clearance of Dr. Oppenheimer? 1431 01:10:22,457 --> 01:10:26,261 They could not and would not clear him until I insisted. 1432 01:10:26,294 --> 01:10:28,929 And it's safe to say that you had a pretty good knowledge 1433 01:10:28,962 --> 01:10:30,198 of Dr. Oppenheimer's security file. 1434 01:10:30,231 --> 01:10:31,899 I did. 1435 01:10:31,932 --> 01:10:33,100 Well, then there's only really one question 1436 01:10:33,134 --> 01:10:34,602 I need answered here today. 1437 01:10:34,636 --> 01:10:36,338 In light of the current AEC guidelines, 1438 01:10:36,371 --> 01:10:39,073 would you clear Dr. Oppenheimer today? 1439 01:10:39,107 --> 01:10:41,176 Do you have the guidelines? 1440 01:10:48,249 --> 01:10:50,918 Under current AEC guidelines, 1441 01:10:50,951 --> 01:10:52,986 would you clear Dr. Oppenheimer today? 1442 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,002 Physics and New Mexico, huh? 1443 01:11:09,036 --> 01:11:12,072 My God. What a trek. 1444 01:11:12,107 --> 01:11:13,575 That's why you need a liaison. 1445 01:11:13,608 --> 01:11:15,143 I'm appointing Lomanitz. 1446 01:11:16,311 --> 01:11:17,379 You're gonna be okay. 1447 01:11:17,412 --> 01:11:18,580 This way, gentlemen. 1448 01:11:28,556 --> 01:11:30,392 -Dr. Lawrence. -Leslie. 1449 01:11:30,425 --> 01:11:32,993 I'd like to remind you what we talked about in Berkeley. 1450 01:11:33,026 --> 01:11:35,363 Compartmentalization. I understand completely. 1451 01:11:38,533 --> 01:11:39,534 Okay. 1452 01:11:40,702 --> 01:11:42,137 Thank you. 1453 01:11:50,043 --> 01:11:51,279 Greetings from Berkeley. 1454 01:11:51,312 --> 01:11:53,448 I am here to update you on our progress 1455 01:11:53,481 --> 01:11:55,015 and solicit your input. 1456 01:11:55,048 --> 01:11:56,418 To do so, I am going to have to share 1457 01:11:56,451 --> 01:12:00,121 a few things that General Groves told me not to. 1458 01:12:00,155 --> 01:12:01,955 Sorry, General, I said I understood, 1459 01:12:01,989 --> 01:12:03,056 not that I agreed. 1460 01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:04,626 'Kay. 1461 01:12:04,659 --> 01:12:06,694 Gentlemen, to business. 1462 01:12:06,728 --> 01:12:09,096 There were rumors of espionage at Los Alamos. 1463 01:12:09,130 --> 01:12:10,598 Unsubstantiated. Unsubstantiated. 1464 01:12:10,632 --> 01:12:12,099 I'm told 1465 01:12:12,133 --> 01:12:13,435 that there were Communists on the project. 1466 01:12:13,468 --> 01:12:15,236 We didn't knowingly employ any Communists. 1467 01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:17,037 I just want to know, were any of them involved 1468 01:12:17,070 --> 01:12:18,540 in discussions of the Super? 1469 01:12:18,573 --> 01:12:20,742 I seem to remember you demanding your brother come to Los Alamos. 1470 01:12:20,775 --> 01:12:23,043 My brother had left the Party by then. 1471 01:12:23,076 --> 01:12:24,312 What about Lomanitz? 1472 01:12:24,345 --> 01:12:26,079 Lomanitz was never employed at Los Alamos. 1473 01:12:26,114 --> 01:12:27,115 He was a liaison. 1474 01:12:27,148 --> 01:12:28,316 Our security was tight, 1475 01:12:28,349 --> 01:12:29,717 as former Colonel Nichols well knows. 1476 01:12:29,751 --> 01:12:31,319 Our security was as tight as it could be 1477 01:12:31,352 --> 01:12:32,720 given the personalities involved, 1478 01:12:32,754 --> 01:12:34,589 but attempts were made. 1479 01:12:34,622 --> 01:12:35,623 What is that supposed to mean? 1480 01:12:35,657 --> 01:12:37,225 We've all read his file here. 1481 01:12:38,259 --> 01:12:40,261 Do we need to talk about Jean Tatlock? 1482 01:12:40,795 --> 01:12:42,963 Or the Chevalier incident? 1483 01:12:47,569 --> 01:12:48,969 'Scuse me. 1484 01:12:52,273 --> 01:12:54,242 That's Lomanitz, line one. 1485 01:13:00,114 --> 01:13:01,149 Hello, Rossi. 1486 01:13:01,182 --> 01:13:04,385 What? O-Okay, just calm down. 1487 01:13:05,353 --> 01:13:08,590 There's been another screw-up. Lomanitz just got drafted. 1488 01:13:08,623 --> 01:13:11,091 -We are at war, Doctor. -Don't be an asshole, Nichols. 1489 01:13:11,125 --> 01:13:13,127 We need this kid. Fix it, will you? 1490 01:13:13,161 --> 01:13:14,362 It wasn't a mistake. 1491 01:13:14,395 --> 01:13:15,730 Your friend Lomanitz has been trying 1492 01:13:15,763 --> 01:13:18,031 to unionize the Radiation Lab. 1493 01:13:18,065 --> 01:13:19,367 He promised to quit all that. 1494 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,302 Well, he hasn't. 1495 01:13:21,336 --> 01:13:23,204 Security officer at Berkeley's concerned about 1496 01:13:23,238 --> 01:13:25,540 Communist infiltration through that union, 1497 01:13:25,573 --> 01:13:28,176 -the F.A... -F.A.E.C.T. 1498 01:13:30,578 --> 01:13:34,282 While I'm there next week, I'll drop in to see him. 1499 01:13:36,551 --> 01:13:38,286 Your Q clearance came through. 1500 01:13:41,823 --> 01:13:43,258 It's important you not maintain or renew 1501 01:13:43,291 --> 01:13:45,560 any questionable associations. 1502 01:13:50,298 --> 01:13:52,800 Doctor, did you think social contacts 1503 01:13:52,834 --> 01:13:55,169 between a person engaged on secret war work 1504 01:13:55,203 --> 01:13:56,571 and Communists was dangerous? 1505 01:13:56,604 --> 01:14:00,275 My awareness of the danger would be greater today. 1506 01:14:00,308 --> 01:14:03,211 I mean, it's fair to say that during the war years, 1507 01:14:03,244 --> 01:14:06,447 you felt that such contacts were potentially dangerous. 1508 01:14:12,887 --> 01:14:15,857 Were conceivably dangerous, yes. 1509 01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:18,159 I mean, really, 1510 01:14:18,192 --> 01:14:20,228 known Communists. 1511 01:14:22,363 --> 01:14:24,599 Look... 1512 01:14:24,632 --> 01:14:26,167 I've had a lot of secrets 1513 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,170 in my head for a long time. 1514 01:14:30,138 --> 01:14:31,406 Doesn't matter who I associate with. 1515 01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,342 I don't talk about those secrets. 1516 01:14:41,749 --> 01:14:43,384 You said in your statement 1517 01:14:43,418 --> 01:14:49,357 that you had to see Jean Tatlock in 1943. 1518 01:14:50,825 --> 01:14:52,493 You left. 1519 01:14:53,728 --> 01:14:55,163 Not a word. 1520 01:14:55,196 --> 01:14:57,665 What did you think that would do to me? 1521 01:14:58,766 --> 01:14:59,834 I wrote. 1522 01:14:59,867 --> 01:15:02,270 Pages of nothing. 1523 01:15:04,539 --> 01:15:06,874 Where did you go? 1524 01:15:06,908 --> 01:15:09,344 -I can't tell you. -Why not? 1525 01:15:09,377 --> 01:15:12,113 Because you're a Communist. 1526 01:15:13,648 --> 01:15:15,516 Why did you have to see her? 1527 01:15:15,550 --> 01:15:18,653 Because she had indicated a great desire 1528 01:15:18,686 --> 01:15:20,355 to see me before we left. 1529 01:15:20,388 --> 01:15:21,556 At that time, I couldn't, 1530 01:15:21,589 --> 01:15:25,393 but I felt that she had to see me. 1531 01:15:25,426 --> 01:15:27,929 She was undergoing psychiatric treatment. 1532 01:15:27,962 --> 01:15:30,198 She was extremely unhappy. 1533 01:15:30,231 --> 01:15:32,233 Did you find out why she had to see you? 1534 01:15:37,338 --> 01:15:39,407 Because she was still in love with me. 1535 01:15:46,614 --> 01:15:48,683 Spent the night together, didn't you? 1536 01:15:56,658 --> 01:15:57,692 Yes. 1537 01:16:03,364 --> 01:16:07,235 You drop in and out of my life, 1538 01:16:07,268 --> 01:16:09,737 and you don't have to tell me why. 1539 01:16:09,771 --> 01:16:11,239 Now that's power. 1540 01:16:11,272 --> 01:16:13,307 Not that I enjoy. 1541 01:16:14,275 --> 01:16:16,411 I'd rather be here for you as you need. 1542 01:16:16,444 --> 01:16:18,913 But you have other priorities now. 1543 01:16:18,946 --> 01:16:21,716 I have a wife and child. 1544 01:16:22,717 --> 01:16:25,520 That's not what either of us is talking about. 1545 01:16:28,956 --> 01:16:30,825 Jean. 1546 01:16:30,858 --> 01:16:32,994 You asked me to come. 1547 01:16:33,027 --> 01:16:35,396 And I'm glad I did. 1548 01:16:36,030 --> 01:16:38,599 But I can't see you again. 1549 01:16:41,002 --> 01:16:42,704 But what if I need you? 1550 01:16:46,274 --> 01:16:49,243 You said you would always answer. 1551 01:16:51,713 --> 01:16:52,847 Not a word? 1552 01:16:54,116 --> 01:16:55,184 Did you think that consistent with good security? 1553 01:16:55,216 --> 01:16:57,885 As a matter of fact, it was. 1554 01:16:57,919 --> 01:17:00,288 Not a word. 1555 01:17:00,321 --> 01:17:02,490 When did you see her after that? 1556 01:17:10,898 --> 01:17:12,567 I never saw her again. 1557 01:17:18,773 --> 01:17:21,409 I can make the last train back to Princeton. 1558 01:17:21,442 --> 01:17:24,612 Kitty, I didn't say anything that I hadn't already told you. 1559 01:17:24,645 --> 01:17:26,781 Today you said it to history, didn't you? 1560 01:17:26,814 --> 01:17:28,349 This is a closed hearing. 1561 01:17:30,051 --> 01:17:31,652 If they don't release the transcript, 1562 01:17:31,686 --> 01:17:33,688 -I'm sure you will. -I was under oath. 1563 01:17:33,721 --> 01:17:35,490 Well, you were under an oath for me 1564 01:17:35,523 --> 01:17:37,325 when you went to see Jean. 1565 01:17:37,992 --> 01:17:39,427 You know, you... 1566 01:17:40,328 --> 01:17:42,630 ...you sit there, day after day, 1567 01:17:42,663 --> 01:17:45,700 letting them pick our lives to pieces. 1568 01:17:48,703 --> 01:17:50,404 Why won't you fight? 1569 01:17:53,541 --> 01:17:56,677 Robert, I'm not putting her up there. 1570 01:18:01,816 --> 01:18:04,685 Dr. Oppenheimer, it's an honor. Please, take a seat. 1571 01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:08,322 No need, um, I just wanted to check whether I should 1572 01:18:08,356 --> 01:18:10,525 talk to Lomanitz while I'm here, given your concerns. 1573 01:18:10,558 --> 01:18:12,660 Well, I'd say that's really up to you, Professor, 1574 01:18:12,693 --> 01:18:14,862 -but I'd be cautious. -Uh-huh. Understood. 1575 01:18:14,896 --> 01:18:17,632 Oh, and, um, as regards to the union, 1576 01:18:17,665 --> 01:18:19,433 I wanted to give you a heads-up on a... 1577 01:18:19,467 --> 01:18:20,802 on a man named Eltenton. 1578 01:18:20,835 --> 01:18:22,336 A heads-up? 1579 01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:26,307 Yes, just that he might merit watching is all. 1580 01:18:27,109 --> 01:18:28,543 Well, I'd love to get more details. 1581 01:18:28,576 --> 01:18:30,912 Well, I... I have an appointment now 1582 01:18:30,945 --> 01:18:32,380 and I leave early tomorrow. 1583 01:18:32,413 --> 01:18:33,948 Well, come back as early as you like. 1584 01:18:33,981 --> 01:18:36,317 Since you haven't time now. 1585 01:18:36,984 --> 01:18:38,820 You went back the next morning. 1586 01:18:38,853 --> 01:18:40,855 I did, I had to, really. 1587 01:18:41,789 --> 01:18:44,392 This time, there was another man. 1588 01:18:45,059 --> 01:18:46,561 He said his name's Pash. 1589 01:18:46,594 --> 01:18:49,096 Pash. You met Colonel Pash? 1590 01:18:49,131 --> 01:18:50,665 Colonel Pash, could you please read 1591 01:18:50,698 --> 01:18:54,502 from your memo dated June 29, 1943? 1592 01:18:56,604 --> 01:18:58,706 "Results of surveillance conducted on subject 1593 01:18:58,739 --> 01:19:01,576 "indicate further possible Communist Party connections. 1594 01:19:01,609 --> 01:19:03,778 "Subject met with and spent considerable time 1595 01:19:03,811 --> 01:19:06,013 "with one Jean Tatlock, Communist, 1596 01:19:06,047 --> 01:19:07,515 the record of whom is attached." 1597 01:19:07,548 --> 01:19:09,417 The subject being Dr. Oppenheimer? 1598 01:19:09,450 --> 01:19:11,919 -Yes. -Whom you had not met? 1599 01:19:11,953 --> 01:19:13,754 Not then, but soon after. 1600 01:19:13,788 --> 01:19:15,157 He's the head of security for the project. 1601 01:19:15,190 --> 01:19:16,424 Shouldn't I know him? 1602 01:19:16,457 --> 01:19:17,792 No, he should know you. 1603 01:19:17,825 --> 01:19:19,727 I would never put you in a room with Pash. 1604 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,028 Why not? 1605 01:19:21,062 --> 01:19:23,131 When Pash first heard about Lomanitz, 1606 01:19:23,165 --> 01:19:26,100 he told the FBI he was gonna kidnap him, 1607 01:19:26,134 --> 01:19:27,602 take him out on a boat 1608 01:19:27,635 --> 01:19:30,638 and interrogate him in the Russian manner. 1609 01:19:32,773 --> 01:19:35,610 General Groves has placed in me a certain responsibility, 1610 01:19:35,643 --> 01:19:37,879 and it's like having a child who I can't see. 1611 01:19:37,912 --> 01:19:40,014 -Ah. -By remote control. 1612 01:19:40,047 --> 01:19:43,651 So to actually meet you is... 1613 01:19:44,752 --> 01:19:46,188 I won't take up too much of your time. 1614 01:19:46,221 --> 01:19:48,489 No, no, not at all. Whatever time you choose. 1615 01:19:48,522 --> 01:19:51,425 Mm. Mr. Johnson told me of a conversation 1616 01:19:51,459 --> 01:19:53,195 you had yesterday in which I'm very interested. 1617 01:19:53,228 --> 01:19:55,496 It's had me worried all day. 1618 01:19:55,529 --> 01:19:58,032 Yes, well, I didn't want to talk to Lomanitz 1619 01:19:58,065 --> 01:19:59,600 without authorization. 1620 01:19:59,634 --> 01:20:00,835 That's not the particular interest that I have. 1621 01:20:00,868 --> 01:20:02,837 It's something a little bit more... 1622 01:20:03,871 --> 01:20:05,640 ...well, in my opinion, more serious. 1623 01:20:05,673 --> 01:20:08,609 Now, when the FBI pointed out that such information 1624 01:20:08,643 --> 01:20:10,178 wouldn't be admissible in court, Pash made it clear 1625 01:20:10,212 --> 01:20:13,981 he had no intention of leaving any witness left to prosecute. 1626 01:20:14,015 --> 01:20:15,583 Now, the FBI talked him down, 1627 01:20:15,616 --> 01:20:17,185 but that's the man you're dancing with. 1628 01:20:17,219 --> 01:20:19,921 I gather you've heard there are other parties 1629 01:20:19,954 --> 01:20:22,657 interested in the work of the Radiation Lab. 1630 01:20:22,690 --> 01:20:26,594 A man attached to the Soviet Consul 1631 01:20:26,627 --> 01:20:29,664 indicated, through intermediate people, 1632 01:20:29,697 --> 01:20:31,233 to people on this project, 1633 01:20:31,266 --> 01:20:34,702 that he was in a position to transmit information. 1634 01:20:34,735 --> 01:20:37,571 Oh, why would anyone on the project want to do that? 1635 01:20:39,006 --> 01:20:41,542 Frankly, I can see that there might be an argument 1636 01:20:41,575 --> 01:20:43,978 for the Commander-in-Chief informing the Russians-- 1637 01:20:44,011 --> 01:20:45,880 they're our allies after all-- 1638 01:20:45,913 --> 01:20:48,816 but I don't like the idea of it going out the back door. 1639 01:20:48,849 --> 01:20:51,585 It might not hurt to be on the lookout for it. 1640 01:20:52,987 --> 01:20:54,156 And you said that to Pash? 1641 01:20:54,189 --> 01:20:55,690 I was trying to put it 1642 01:20:55,723 --> 01:20:58,559 in a context of Russia's not Germany. 1643 01:20:58,592 --> 01:21:02,997 Boris Pash is the son of a Russian Orthodox bishop. 1644 01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:06,534 Born here, but in 1918, he went back to Russia 1645 01:21:06,567 --> 01:21:08,002 to fight the Bolsheviks. 1646 01:21:08,035 --> 01:21:10,205 This is a man who has killed Communists with his own hands. 1647 01:21:10,238 --> 01:21:13,708 I'm not the judge of who should or should not have information. 1648 01:21:13,741 --> 01:21:15,776 It's my business to stop it from going through illegally. 1649 01:21:15,810 --> 01:21:18,012 Would you be a little more specific? 1650 01:21:20,881 --> 01:21:23,751 There's a man whose name was mentioned to me 1651 01:21:23,784 --> 01:21:25,886 a couple of times. Eltenton. 1652 01:21:26,921 --> 01:21:30,024 Uh, I believe he's a chemist who works at Shell. 1653 01:21:30,057 --> 01:21:32,593 He talked to a friend of his 1654 01:21:32,626 --> 01:21:36,530 who's an acquaintance of someone on the project. 1655 01:21:37,765 --> 01:21:40,202 And you thought Pash would be satisfied with that? 1656 01:21:40,235 --> 01:21:42,770 I was attempting to give them Eltenton 1657 01:21:42,803 --> 01:21:44,139 without opening a can of worms. 1658 01:21:44,172 --> 01:21:46,141 I told them a cock-and-bull story. 1659 01:21:46,174 --> 01:21:47,708 Did you lie to General Groves too? 1660 01:21:47,742 --> 01:21:51,279 No. I admitted to him that I'd lied to Pash. 1661 01:21:51,313 --> 01:21:52,747 Do you recall this conversation 1662 01:21:52,780 --> 01:21:55,183 about the Chevalier incident? 1663 01:21:55,217 --> 01:21:57,618 I've seen so many versions of it. Um... 1664 01:21:57,651 --> 01:21:58,819 Wasn't confused before, 1665 01:21:58,853 --> 01:22:00,288 but I'm certainly getting there now. 1666 01:22:00,322 --> 01:22:01,622 And what was your conclusion? 1667 01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:04,025 That he was under the influence of 1668 01:22:04,058 --> 01:22:06,927 the typical American schoolboy attitude 1669 01:22:06,961 --> 01:22:10,564 that there's something wicked about telling on a friend. 1670 01:22:10,598 --> 01:22:12,633 Well, now. 1671 01:22:12,666 --> 01:22:15,102 Might we know through whom the contact was made? 1672 01:22:15,137 --> 01:22:17,339 That would in... involve people 1673 01:22:17,372 --> 01:22:19,341 who are not to be involved in this. 1674 01:22:19,374 --> 01:22:22,144 Is that someone a member of the project? 1675 01:22:22,177 --> 01:22:26,714 A member of the faculty, yes, but not in the project, no. 1676 01:22:26,747 --> 01:22:27,848 Ah. 1677 01:22:27,882 --> 01:22:29,650 So Eltenton made his approach 1678 01:22:29,683 --> 01:22:32,920 through a member of the faculty here at Berkeley? 1679 01:22:34,655 --> 01:22:37,125 As far as I know. As far as I know, yes. 1680 01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:39,794 But there-there may have been 1681 01:22:39,827 --> 01:22:42,563 more than one person involved. 1682 01:22:45,966 --> 01:22:49,171 Gentlemen, if I... if I seem uncooperative, 1683 01:22:49,204 --> 01:22:52,140 I think you can understand that's because of my insistence 1684 01:22:52,174 --> 01:22:54,775 in not getting innocent people into trouble. 1685 01:22:54,809 --> 01:22:56,610 You're trying to protect your friend. 1686 01:22:56,644 --> 01:22:57,878 Who's protecting you? 1687 01:22:57,912 --> 01:22:59,314 Well, you could. 1688 01:22:59,347 --> 01:23:00,681 If you gave me the name. 1689 01:23:00,714 --> 01:23:02,650 If you order me to, I'll do it. 1690 01:23:02,683 --> 01:23:03,717 That's a mistake, Robert. 1691 01:23:03,751 --> 01:23:05,586 You need to volunteer this name. 1692 01:23:06,421 --> 01:23:08,089 And did he give you the name? 1693 01:23:08,123 --> 01:23:09,257 He did. 1694 01:23:09,291 --> 01:23:10,758 -But not then, did he? -No. 1695 01:23:10,791 --> 01:23:12,260 No. In fact, it was some months later, wasn't it? 1696 01:23:12,294 --> 01:23:14,196 It was. 1697 01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:15,330 You see me as persistent. 1698 01:23:15,363 --> 01:23:17,098 Well, you are... 1699 01:23:17,132 --> 01:23:18,966 you are persistent, but that is your job. 1700 01:23:18,999 --> 01:23:22,703 And-and my job is to protect the people that work for me. 1701 01:23:22,736 --> 01:23:24,738 Instead of us going on certain steps, 1702 01:23:24,772 --> 01:23:26,874 which may come to your attention... 1703 01:23:28,243 --> 01:23:30,010 ...and be disturbing to you, 1704 01:23:30,044 --> 01:23:33,148 I would like to discuss those with you first. 1705 01:23:33,181 --> 01:23:34,682 I'm not formulating a plan. 1706 01:23:34,715 --> 01:23:37,051 I'll just have to digest the whole thing. 1707 01:23:40,688 --> 01:23:43,391 In the months in between your interview 1708 01:23:43,425 --> 01:23:47,061 with Dr. Oppenheimer and his eventual naming of Chevalier, 1709 01:23:47,094 --> 01:23:48,396 did you expend resources 1710 01:23:48,430 --> 01:23:49,897 trying to find the name of the intermediary? 1711 01:23:49,930 --> 01:23:52,400 Considerable resources, yes. 1712 01:23:52,434 --> 01:23:54,668 Without the name, our job was extremely difficult. 1713 01:23:54,702 --> 01:23:56,138 And when did you receive the name? 1714 01:23:56,171 --> 01:23:57,405 I was gone by the time 1715 01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,874 -Oppenheimer finally offered it up. -Gone? 1716 01:23:59,907 --> 01:24:02,076 They felt my time would be better spent in Europe 1717 01:24:02,110 --> 01:24:04,845 determining the status of the Nazi bomb project. 1718 01:24:04,879 --> 01:24:06,046 Who did? 1719 01:24:07,149 --> 01:24:08,883 General Groves. 1720 01:24:08,916 --> 01:24:10,684 He transferred me to London. 1721 01:24:17,125 --> 01:24:19,227 It's a little early for a Christmas party. 1722 01:24:19,261 --> 01:24:21,263 Something's up. 1723 01:24:21,296 --> 01:24:23,331 Tolman's been away. 1724 01:24:23,365 --> 01:24:25,065 Where? 1725 01:24:25,099 --> 01:24:26,667 Ruth won't tell. 1726 01:24:31,206 --> 01:24:32,207 Hey! 1727 01:24:36,378 --> 01:24:37,912 Come on, Ruthie. 1728 01:24:37,945 --> 01:24:40,014 Can't tell me, who can you tell? 1729 01:24:40,047 --> 01:24:42,783 Compartmentalization, Oppie. 1730 01:24:42,816 --> 01:24:44,186 What makes you think I know where he is anyway? 1731 01:24:44,219 --> 01:24:45,920 'Cause you do a pretty good job 1732 01:24:45,953 --> 01:24:48,722 of knowing where Mr. Tolman is when it counts. 1733 01:24:48,756 --> 01:24:50,292 Like now? 1734 01:24:50,325 --> 01:24:53,761 Attention! 1735 01:24:56,964 --> 01:24:58,899 Early Christmas present for you all. 1736 01:25:06,974 --> 01:25:09,344 The British pilots put me in the bomb bay. 1737 01:25:09,377 --> 01:25:11,379 Showed me the-the oxygen, you know, 1738 01:25:11,413 --> 01:25:13,148 but I messed it up. 1739 01:25:13,181 --> 01:25:15,783 Uh, when they opened me up in Scotland, I was unconscious. 1740 01:25:15,816 --> 01:25:18,018 But I pretended I'd been napping. 1741 01:25:18,986 --> 01:25:20,422 Please enjoy your party. 1742 01:25:21,789 --> 01:25:23,090 Is it big enough? 1743 01:25:23,124 --> 01:25:24,392 To end the war? 1744 01:25:24,426 --> 01:25:27,329 To end all war. 1745 01:25:30,165 --> 01:25:34,236 Uh, Heisenberg sought me out in Copenhagen. 1746 01:25:34,269 --> 01:25:36,003 It was chilling, 1747 01:25:36,036 --> 01:25:38,072 my old student working for the Nazis. 1748 01:25:38,106 --> 01:25:42,009 He told me some things to draw me out. 1749 01:25:42,910 --> 01:25:46,248 Sustained fission reactions in uranium. 1750 01:25:46,281 --> 01:25:48,483 That sounds more like a reactor than a bomb. 1751 01:25:48,516 --> 01:25:49,950 Did he mention gaseous diffusion? 1752 01:25:49,984 --> 01:25:52,254 He seemed more focused on heavy water. 1753 01:25:52,287 --> 01:25:53,988 As a moderator? 1754 01:25:54,021 --> 01:25:55,390 Yes, instead of graphite. 1755 01:25:58,426 --> 01:25:59,793 What? 1756 01:25:59,827 --> 01:26:01,996 He took a wrong turn. 1757 01:26:02,029 --> 01:26:04,499 We're ahead. And with you here to help us, Niels. 1758 01:26:04,532 --> 01:26:06,800 Sorry, could you... 1759 01:26:06,834 --> 01:26:09,770 could you give us a moment, gentlemen? 1760 01:26:15,943 --> 01:26:18,480 I am not here to help, Robert. 1761 01:26:18,513 --> 01:26:20,415 I knew you could do this without me. 1762 01:26:20,448 --> 01:26:21,549 Then why did you come? 1763 01:26:21,583 --> 01:26:23,017 To talk about after. 1764 01:26:23,050 --> 01:26:25,019 The power you're about to reveal 1765 01:26:25,052 --> 01:26:27,255 will forever outlive the Nazis. 1766 01:26:28,323 --> 01:26:29,923 And the world is not prepared. 1767 01:26:29,957 --> 01:26:31,359 "You could lift the stone 1768 01:26:31,393 --> 01:26:34,028 without being ready for the snake that's revealed." 1769 01:26:34,061 --> 01:26:35,430 We have to make the politicians understand, 1770 01:26:35,463 --> 01:26:37,565 this isn't a new weapon. 1771 01:26:37,599 --> 01:26:39,066 It's a new world. 1772 01:26:39,099 --> 01:26:42,470 I'll be out there doing what I can, but you... 1773 01:26:42,504 --> 01:26:45,072 you're an American Prometheus. 1774 01:26:45,106 --> 01:26:47,342 The man who gave them the power 1775 01:26:47,375 --> 01:26:49,411 to destroy themselves, 1776 01:26:49,444 --> 01:26:51,078 and they'll respect that. 1777 01:26:51,112 --> 01:26:53,281 And your work really begins. 1778 01:26:57,218 --> 01:27:00,355 I'm sorry, Oppie, but there's a call. 1779 01:27:01,489 --> 01:27:04,225 From San Francisco. 1780 01:27:10,498 --> 01:27:12,200 Robert! 1781 01:27:15,437 --> 01:27:16,970 Robert? 1782 01:27:17,639 --> 01:27:20,208 Robert. Robert. 1783 01:27:20,241 --> 01:27:22,444 God, what's the matter? 1784 01:27:22,477 --> 01:27:24,245 What happened? 1785 01:27:25,113 --> 01:27:27,047 Her father called. 1786 01:27:27,081 --> 01:27:29,217 They found her yesterday in the bath. 1787 01:27:30,218 --> 01:27:31,353 Who? 1788 01:27:32,354 --> 01:27:34,356 She'd taken pills. 1789 01:27:34,389 --> 01:27:36,291 Left a note, not signed. 1790 01:27:37,292 --> 01:27:38,259 She took barbiturates, 1791 01:27:38,293 --> 01:27:40,228 but there was chloral hydrate in her blood. 1792 01:27:43,598 --> 01:27:44,932 There was a note. 1793 01:27:44,965 --> 01:27:47,268 Jean Tatlock? 1794 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,042 We were together. 1795 01:27:55,075 --> 01:27:57,878 She said she needed me. I... 1796 01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:02,916 I told her I... I wouldn't... 1797 01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:04,586 I told her I couldn't... 1798 01:28:04,619 --> 01:28:06,287 No, it was... it was me. 1799 01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:11,393 You don't get to commit the sin 1800 01:28:11,426 --> 01:28:13,228 and then have us all feel sorry for you 1801 01:28:13,261 --> 01:28:16,131 that it had consequences. 1802 01:28:18,199 --> 01:28:20,402 You pull yourself together. 1803 01:28:24,071 --> 01:28:26,207 You know, people here depend on you. 1804 01:28:28,710 --> 01:28:30,178 Donald, would you like 1805 01:28:30,211 --> 01:28:31,279 to contribute here? Please, help me out. 1806 01:28:31,312 --> 01:28:32,514 You're on your own, pal. 1807 01:28:32,547 --> 01:28:33,648 Bob, I'm not quitting my job 1808 01:28:33,681 --> 01:28:35,015 because plutonium is radioactive. 1809 01:28:35,048 --> 01:28:36,584 We just don't know what it might do 1810 01:28:36,618 --> 01:28:38,353 to the female reproductive system... 1811 01:28:38,386 --> 01:28:40,288 Your reproductive system is more exposed than mine, presumably. 1812 01:28:40,321 --> 01:28:43,191 Can we please? The implosion device is nowhere. 1813 01:28:43,224 --> 01:28:44,626 Hey, you can't rush everything. 1814 01:28:44,659 --> 01:28:46,194 -Oppie, please. -Well, there's rushing 1815 01:28:46,227 --> 01:28:48,028 and there's getting on with it, so pick one. 1816 01:28:48,061 --> 01:28:50,063 Wait. Neddermeyer's doing his job. 1817 01:28:50,097 --> 01:28:51,031 Teller's not helping. 1818 01:28:51,064 --> 01:28:52,600 You're not helping. 1819 01:28:52,634 --> 01:28:54,034 I've been asking for calculations 1820 01:28:54,067 --> 01:28:55,203 on the implosion lenses for weeks. 1821 01:28:55,236 --> 01:28:56,704 The British can do it. Fuchs. 1822 01:28:56,738 --> 01:28:58,038 Absolutely. 1823 01:28:58,071 --> 01:28:59,441 It's your job, Teller. 1824 01:28:59,474 --> 01:29:01,276 I'm engaged in research. 1825 01:29:01,309 --> 01:29:03,977 On a hydrogen bomb we're not even building. 1826 01:29:12,085 --> 01:29:13,455 I won't work for that man. 1827 01:29:15,223 --> 01:29:17,325 Let him go. He's a prima donna. 1828 01:29:17,358 --> 01:29:19,594 I agree. He should leave Los Alamos. 1829 01:29:19,627 --> 01:29:21,129 Okay. 1830 01:29:21,162 --> 01:29:23,030 Kisty, you replace Neddermeyer. 1831 01:29:23,063 --> 01:29:24,466 Seth, I'm putting you on plutonium. 1832 01:29:24,499 --> 01:29:27,602 Lilli, you go work for Kisty. Because he needs you. 1833 01:29:27,635 --> 01:29:30,205 Fuchs, you take Teller's role. 1834 01:29:30,238 --> 01:29:32,607 I'm putting you exclusively on the implosion device. 1835 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,411 And no one is leaving Los Alamos. 1836 01:29:50,658 --> 01:29:52,627 -They won't let me leave. -No. 1837 01:29:52,660 --> 01:29:54,262 I won't let you leave. 1838 01:29:55,129 --> 01:29:58,233 Forget Hans. Forget fission. 1839 01:29:58,266 --> 01:30:01,402 Stay here, research what you want. 1840 01:30:01,436 --> 01:30:04,037 Fusion, the hydrogen bomb, whatever. 1841 01:30:04,071 --> 01:30:05,240 We'll meet to discuss. 1842 01:30:05,273 --> 01:30:06,741 You don't have time to meet. 1843 01:30:06,774 --> 01:30:08,343 You're a politician now, Robert. 1844 01:30:08,376 --> 01:30:11,011 You've left physics behind many, many years ago. 1845 01:30:11,846 --> 01:30:13,648 Once a week. 1846 01:30:13,681 --> 01:30:15,550 One hour. You and me. 1847 01:30:20,722 --> 01:30:23,291 Now raise this fucking barrier. 1848 01:30:27,228 --> 01:30:29,664 So the Super was under development 1849 01:30:29,697 --> 01:30:31,666 on your watch at Los Alamos? 1850 01:30:31,699 --> 01:30:33,201 Yes. 1851 01:30:33,234 --> 01:30:35,102 And yet, after the war, 1852 01:30:35,136 --> 01:30:36,738 you tried to deny it was viable. 1853 01:30:36,771 --> 01:30:38,273 No, no, no. I... 1854 01:30:38,306 --> 01:30:40,141 I pointed out technical difficulties with it. 1855 01:30:40,174 --> 01:30:41,809 You... Didn't you try to kill it at the AEC meeting 1856 01:30:41,843 --> 01:30:43,411 -after the Russian bomb test? -No. 1857 01:30:43,444 --> 01:30:45,547 But that was the recommendation of the AEC, 1858 01:30:45,580 --> 01:30:47,849 -was it not? -After hours of discussion 1859 01:30:47,882 --> 01:30:50,151 about the best response. 1860 01:30:50,184 --> 01:30:55,290 An H-bomb is 1,000 times the power of an A-bomb. 1861 01:30:56,457 --> 01:31:00,228 Its only intended target would be the largest cities. 1862 01:31:00,261 --> 01:31:02,363 It's a weapon of mass genocide. 1863 01:31:02,397 --> 01:31:04,699 Izzy, draw some circles on this side of the map 1864 01:31:04,732 --> 01:31:06,367 where they would target us. 1865 01:31:06,401 --> 01:31:08,436 -Starting with New York. D.C. -That's fair. 1866 01:31:08,469 --> 01:31:11,239 It's a weapon of attack with no defensive value. 1867 01:31:11,272 --> 01:31:12,807 -Deterrence. -"Deterrence"? 1868 01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,442 Do we really need more deterrence 1869 01:31:14,475 --> 01:31:16,878 than our current arsenal of atomic bombs? 1870 01:31:16,911 --> 01:31:19,614 Y-You drown in ten feet of water or-or 10,000, 1871 01:31:19,647 --> 01:31:21,316 what's the difference? 1872 01:31:21,349 --> 01:31:23,318 We can already drown Russia. They know it. 1873 01:31:23,351 --> 01:31:25,620 -And now they can drown us. -So we're just escalating... 1874 01:31:36,531 --> 01:31:39,367 As I said, Teller's designs are still as 1875 01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,336 impractical as they were during the war. 1876 01:31:41,369 --> 01:31:44,339 A hydrogen bomb can be made to work, Oppie, you know that. 1877 01:31:44,372 --> 01:31:45,506 I don't believe we should commit 1878 01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:47,442 all our resources to that chance. 1879 01:31:47,475 --> 01:31:50,345 Then how would you have Truman reassure the American people? 1880 01:31:50,378 --> 01:31:52,580 Simply by limiting the spread of atomic weapons 1881 01:31:52,614 --> 01:31:55,917 through international control on nuclear energy. 1882 01:31:55,950 --> 01:31:57,518 By which you mean world government? 1883 01:31:57,552 --> 01:32:00,488 The United Nations as Roosevelt intended. 1884 01:32:00,521 --> 01:32:03,424 Well, I... I asked what Truman should do, right? 1885 01:32:03,458 --> 01:32:06,361 The world's changed, it's not fascism but Communism 1886 01:32:06,394 --> 01:32:07,862 that now threatens our survival. 1887 01:32:07,895 --> 01:32:11,532 Lewis, do you understand, if we build a hydrogen bomb, 1888 01:32:11,566 --> 01:32:14,435 the Russians will have no choice but to build their own? 1889 01:32:14,469 --> 01:32:16,237 Could they be working on one already? 1890 01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:18,773 Based on information gathered from a spy at Los Alamos. 1891 01:32:18,806 --> 01:32:20,274 No spy at Los Alamos. 1892 01:32:20,308 --> 01:32:21,376 -Gentlemen. -There wasn't? 1893 01:32:21,409 --> 01:32:22,644 Let's not get sidetracked. 1894 01:32:22,677 --> 01:32:24,379 I say we use this moment 1895 01:32:24,412 --> 01:32:25,813 to gain concessions from the Russians 1896 01:32:25,847 --> 01:32:28,916 by committing that we will not build a hydrogen bomb. 1897 01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:30,585 Thereby revealing its existence. 1898 01:32:30,618 --> 01:32:32,620 Which you seem convinced they already know. 1899 01:32:32,654 --> 01:32:34,255 All right. 1900 01:32:34,288 --> 01:32:36,391 At this point, I'd like the committee members 1901 01:32:36,424 --> 01:32:40,361 to meet in privacy to finalize our recommendations. 1902 01:32:41,496 --> 01:32:43,498 I'm just not sure you want to go down this road. 1903 01:32:43,531 --> 01:32:45,800 Lewis, with respect, we are the advisory committee, 1904 01:32:45,833 --> 01:32:47,602 we will give them our advice. 1905 01:32:47,635 --> 01:32:48,736 Good night. 1906 01:32:52,940 --> 01:32:57,211 Dr. Oppenheimer? Hi. William Borden. 1907 01:32:57,245 --> 01:32:58,579 Joint Committee on Atomic Energy? 1908 01:32:58,613 --> 01:32:59,814 Oh, yes, yes. 1909 01:32:59,847 --> 01:33:01,482 During the war, I was a pilot. 1910 01:33:02,617 --> 01:33:05,353 One night, flying back from a raid, 1911 01:33:05,386 --> 01:33:08,289 I saw an amazing sight like a meteor. 1912 01:33:09,490 --> 01:33:12,260 A V-2 rocket headed to England. 1913 01:33:12,293 --> 01:33:14,295 I can't help but imagine what it will be 1914 01:33:14,328 --> 01:33:18,232 for such an enemy rocket to carry an atomic warhead. 1915 01:33:27,008 --> 01:33:28,342 Well, let's make sure we're not the ones 1916 01:33:28,376 --> 01:33:29,677 to make that possible. 1917 01:33:36,384 --> 01:33:39,287 Oppie, I don't think you want to go up against Strauss. 1918 01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,389 If we both speak, they listen to me. 1919 01:33:41,422 --> 01:33:43,491 When you speak, they hear a prophet. 1920 01:33:43,524 --> 01:33:45,493 When Strauss speaks, they hear themselves. 1921 01:33:45,526 --> 01:33:47,328 They'll listen to a prophet. 1922 01:33:47,361 --> 01:33:50,631 A prophet can't be wrong. Not once. 1923 01:33:50,665 --> 01:33:52,433 Didn't you accuse Oppenheimer 1924 01:33:52,467 --> 01:33:54,368 of sabotaging the development of the Super? 1925 01:33:54,402 --> 01:33:56,003 I was never one of those 1926 01:33:56,037 --> 01:33:59,307 to bandy around terms like "sabotage." 1927 01:33:59,340 --> 01:34:01,309 But Mr. Borden was? 1928 01:34:01,342 --> 01:34:02,610 As I understand it, possibly. 1929 01:34:02,643 --> 01:34:04,746 How was Mr. Borden able to put together 1930 01:34:04,779 --> 01:34:06,047 such a detailed indictment? 1931 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,615 He was no longer a government employee, 1932 01:34:07,648 --> 01:34:10,284 yet he appears to have had unlimited access 1933 01:34:10,318 --> 01:34:11,819 to Dr. Oppenheimer's file. 1934 01:34:11,853 --> 01:34:14,756 Might Mr. Nichols have given him access to the file? 1935 01:34:14,789 --> 01:34:16,691 Or someone else, at the AEC? 1936 01:34:16,724 --> 01:34:19,560 That's a very serious accusation, Senator. 1937 01:34:19,594 --> 01:34:22,063 Is it your intention to suggest that Dr. Oppenheimer 1938 01:34:22,096 --> 01:34:24,031 is disloyal to the United States? 1939 01:34:24,065 --> 01:34:26,601 I've always assumed, and still assume, 1940 01:34:26,634 --> 01:34:29,337 that he's loyal to the United States. 1941 01:34:29,370 --> 01:34:30,805 I believe this. And I shall believe it 1942 01:34:30,838 --> 01:34:33,641 until I see very conclusive proof to the opposite. 1943 01:34:33,674 --> 01:34:35,443 Do you or do you not believe 1944 01:34:35,476 --> 01:34:37,845 that Dr. Oppenheimer is a security risk? 1945 01:34:46,053 --> 01:34:47,688 And if I may, 1946 01:34:47,722 --> 01:34:50,525 when Hitler blew his brains out in that bunker, 1947 01:34:50,558 --> 01:34:52,093 it's my humble opinion that there is no need 1948 01:34:52,127 --> 01:34:53,594 for that bomb to be seen anywhere 1949 01:34:53,628 --> 01:34:55,396 except for that test site. 1950 01:34:55,429 --> 01:34:57,431 But we at least have to take a moment 1951 01:34:57,465 --> 01:34:59,467 to think about whether the means 1952 01:34:59,500 --> 01:35:01,769 justify the ends any longer, because... 1953 01:35:04,105 --> 01:35:06,674 Germany is about to surrender. 1954 01:35:08,576 --> 01:35:11,913 It's no longer the enemy who are the greatest threat 1955 01:35:11,946 --> 01:35:13,748 to mankind, it's our work. 1956 01:35:16,151 --> 01:35:18,886 Hitler's dead, it's true. 1957 01:35:20,588 --> 01:35:22,124 But the Japanese fight on. 1958 01:35:22,157 --> 01:35:23,825 Their defeat seems assured. 1959 01:35:23,858 --> 01:35:26,861 Not if you're a G.I. preparing to invade. 1960 01:35:28,163 --> 01:35:29,463 We can end this war. 1961 01:35:29,497 --> 01:35:30,898 But how do we justify 1962 01:35:30,932 --> 01:35:32,500 using this weapon on human beings? 1963 01:35:35,536 --> 01:35:38,940 We're theorists, yes? 1964 01:35:38,973 --> 01:35:40,575 Yes. Yep. 1965 01:35:40,608 --> 01:35:44,645 We imagine a future and our imaginings horrify us. 1966 01:35:45,713 --> 01:35:47,849 But they won't fear it until they understand it, 1967 01:35:47,882 --> 01:35:50,785 and they won't understand it until they've used it. 1968 01:35:50,818 --> 01:35:51,986 When the world learns 1969 01:35:52,019 --> 01:35:54,522 the terrible secret of Los Alamos, 1970 01:35:54,555 --> 01:35:57,992 our work here will ensure a peace mankind has never seen. 1971 01:35:58,025 --> 01:36:01,395 A peace based on the kind of international cooperation 1972 01:36:01,429 --> 01:36:03,464 that Roosevelt always envisaged. 1973 01:36:08,569 --> 01:36:09,804 Progress? 1974 01:36:09,837 --> 01:36:12,607 Two years and a billion dollars' worth? 1975 01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,408 Well, hard to put a price on it. 1976 01:36:14,442 --> 01:36:16,010 Not really, just add up the bills. 1977 01:36:16,043 --> 01:36:17,745 "Rural free deliveries." 1978 01:36:17,778 --> 01:36:20,548 Eighty babies delivered the first year. 1979 01:36:20,581 --> 01:36:22,917 This year, we've had ten a month. 1980 01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:25,686 Birth control is a little out of my jurisdiction, General. 1981 01:36:26,554 --> 01:36:28,890 -Clearly. -General. 1982 01:36:33,861 --> 01:36:35,197 Head down, everyone. 1983 01:36:35,230 --> 01:36:37,398 Fuchs, head down. 1984 01:36:39,901 --> 01:36:41,068 Hmm? 1985 01:36:43,938 --> 01:36:45,673 That's the one. 1986 01:36:45,706 --> 01:36:48,609 Two viable bombs. I need a date. 1987 01:36:50,912 --> 01:36:52,747 September. 1988 01:36:52,780 --> 01:36:53,781 July. 1989 01:36:53,814 --> 01:36:55,750 That's the sweet spot, gentlemen. 1990 01:36:55,783 --> 01:36:57,952 August. 1991 01:36:57,985 --> 01:36:59,720 July. 1992 01:36:59,754 --> 01:37:01,555 Test in July. 1993 01:37:01,589 --> 01:37:03,225 But I need my brother. 1994 01:37:07,595 --> 01:37:09,530 Frank knows the desert, he's left politics behind, 1995 01:37:09,563 --> 01:37:11,999 he's been working with Lawrence for two years now. 1996 01:37:18,973 --> 01:37:20,808 What do we call the test? 1997 01:37:21,909 --> 01:37:25,680 "Batter my heart, three-person'd god." 1998 01:37:25,713 --> 01:37:26,814 What? 1999 01:37:28,183 --> 01:37:29,583 Trinity. 2000 01:37:37,259 --> 01:37:38,626 You insisted 2001 01:37:38,659 --> 01:37:39,961 on bringing on your brother Frank, 2002 01:37:39,994 --> 01:37:41,595 -a known Communist. -A former Communist. 2003 01:37:41,629 --> 01:37:44,065 You brought a known former Communist 2004 01:37:44,098 --> 01:37:47,969 onto America's most secret and important defense project. 2005 01:37:48,002 --> 01:37:51,105 I knew my brother could be trusted. Absolutely. 2006 01:37:51,139 --> 01:37:53,108 And you felt your judgment was sound 2007 01:37:53,141 --> 01:37:54,976 on who on the team could be trusted? 2008 01:37:55,977 --> 01:37:57,112 Fuchs, head down. 2009 01:37:57,145 --> 01:37:58,879 Okay, everybody ready? 2010 01:38:00,248 --> 01:38:02,184 Hmm? 2011 01:38:02,217 --> 01:38:03,985 Oh. 2012 01:38:07,122 --> 01:38:08,256 Oh. 2013 01:38:08,290 --> 01:38:10,024 Well, I hope you learned something. 2014 01:38:10,057 --> 01:38:11,959 Yeah, we learned we're gonna need to be a lot further away. 2015 01:38:11,993 --> 01:38:13,561 Well, figure it out. Fast. 2016 01:38:13,594 --> 01:38:15,263 We leave for Washington in the morning. 2017 01:38:15,297 --> 01:38:17,498 We're gonna give them a date. 2018 01:38:31,645 --> 01:38:33,315 You're a long way from Chicago, Leo. 2019 01:38:33,348 --> 01:38:34,849 If we don't act now, 2020 01:38:34,882 --> 01:38:36,584 they're going to use this thing against Japan. 2021 01:38:36,617 --> 01:38:38,586 We booked a meeting with Truman, 2022 01:38:38,619 --> 01:38:39,887 but somebody killed it. 2023 01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,789 You're meeting the Secretary of War. 2024 01:38:41,822 --> 01:38:43,991 Just because we're building it, 2025 01:38:44,025 --> 01:38:46,027 doesn't mean we get to decide how it's used. 2026 01:38:46,060 --> 01:38:48,829 History will judge us, Robert. 2027 01:38:48,863 --> 01:38:52,167 In Chicago, we put together a petition. 2028 01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,136 I'm not... I'm not getting into that. 2029 01:38:59,207 --> 01:39:01,143 Just tell me your concerns, and I'll relay them. 2030 01:39:01,176 --> 01:39:02,277 My concerns? 2031 01:39:02,310 --> 01:39:04,279 Germany's defeated. 2032 01:39:04,312 --> 01:39:06,080 Japan's not going to hold out alone. 2033 01:39:06,114 --> 01:39:08,015 How could you know that? You got us into this. 2034 01:39:08,049 --> 01:39:09,817 You and Einstein with your letter to Roosevelt 2035 01:39:09,850 --> 01:39:12,653 -saying we could build a bomb. -Against Germany. 2036 01:39:12,686 --> 01:39:15,623 That's not how weapons manufacture works, Szilard. 2037 01:39:15,656 --> 01:39:16,791 Oppie, you have to help. 2038 01:39:16,824 --> 01:39:18,126 Fermi's in the meeting. 2039 01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:19,727 -Lawrence is in the meeting. -They're not you. 2040 01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,929 You're the great salesman of science. 2041 01:39:21,962 --> 01:39:24,565 You can convince anyone of anything. 2042 01:39:25,267 --> 01:39:26,667 Even yourself. 2043 01:39:27,269 --> 01:39:28,669 'Scuse me. 2044 01:39:29,703 --> 01:39:32,973 The firestorm in Tokyo killed 100,000 people. 2045 01:39:33,007 --> 01:39:34,809 Mostly civilians. 2046 01:39:34,842 --> 01:39:37,379 I worry about an America where we do these things 2047 01:39:37,412 --> 01:39:39,147 and no one protests. 2048 01:39:39,181 --> 01:39:42,217 Pearl Harbor and three years of brutal conflict in the Pacific 2049 01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:44,785 bought us a lot of latitude with the American public. 2050 01:39:44,819 --> 01:39:46,854 Enough to unleash the atomic bomb? 2051 01:39:46,887 --> 01:39:48,756 Uh, the A-bomb might not cause 2052 01:39:48,789 --> 01:39:50,691 as much damage as the Tokyo bombings. 2053 01:39:50,724 --> 01:39:52,093 What are we estimating? 2054 01:39:52,127 --> 01:39:54,962 In a medium-size city, uh, 2055 01:39:54,995 --> 01:39:56,398 20 or 30,000 dead. 2056 01:39:56,431 --> 01:39:58,233 Yes, but, uh, 2057 01:39:58,266 --> 01:40:01,303 don't underestimate the psychological impact of a... 2058 01:40:01,336 --> 01:40:02,736 of an atomic explosion. 2059 01:40:02,770 --> 01:40:07,007 A pillar of fire 10,000 feet tall. 2060 01:40:07,041 --> 01:40:10,378 Deadly neutron effects for a mile, in all directions, 2061 01:40:10,412 --> 01:40:13,315 from one single device. 2062 01:40:13,348 --> 01:40:15,683 Dropped from a barely noticed B-29, 2063 01:40:15,716 --> 01:40:17,985 the atomic bomb will be 2064 01:40:18,018 --> 01:40:20,855 a terrible revelation of divine power. 2065 01:40:20,888 --> 01:40:24,159 If that's true, it would be definitive. 2066 01:40:24,192 --> 01:40:26,261 World War II would be over. 2067 01:40:26,294 --> 01:40:27,995 Our boys would come home. 2068 01:40:28,028 --> 01:40:29,164 Military targets? 2069 01:40:30,298 --> 01:40:32,967 Uh, there aren't any big enough. 2070 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:38,772 Perhaps a vital war plant with workers housed nearby. 2071 01:40:38,806 --> 01:40:41,143 And we could issue a warning to reduce civilian casualties. 2072 01:40:41,176 --> 01:40:43,345 They'd send everything they have up against us, 2073 01:40:43,378 --> 01:40:44,979 and I'd be up in that plane. 2074 01:40:45,012 --> 01:40:48,216 But if we announce it and it fails to go off, 2075 01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:50,951 we'd scupper any chance of a Japanese surrender. 2076 01:40:50,985 --> 01:40:54,088 Is there no way to demonstrate a bomb to Japan 2077 01:40:54,122 --> 01:40:55,823 to provoke surrender? 2078 01:40:55,856 --> 01:40:58,926 We intend to demonstrate it in the most unambiguous terms. 2079 01:40:58,959 --> 01:40:59,660 Twice. 2080 01:40:59,693 --> 01:41:01,762 Once to show the weapon's power 2081 01:41:01,795 --> 01:41:04,299 and a second to show that we can keep doing this 2082 01:41:04,332 --> 01:41:05,833 until they surrender. 2083 01:41:05,866 --> 01:41:09,237 We have a list of 12 cities to choose from... 2084 01:41:09,271 --> 01:41:11,173 Sorry, 11. 2085 01:41:11,206 --> 01:41:12,907 I've taken Kyoto off the list 2086 01:41:12,940 --> 01:41:16,744 due to its cultural significance to the Japanese people. 2087 01:41:16,777 --> 01:41:19,414 Also, my wife and I honeymooned there. 2088 01:41:19,447 --> 01:41:20,948 It's a magnificent city. 2089 01:41:24,519 --> 01:41:26,221 Let me make this simple for you, gentlemen. 2090 01:41:26,254 --> 01:41:28,756 According to my intelligence, which I cannot share with you, 2091 01:41:28,789 --> 01:41:31,226 the Japanese people will not surrender 2092 01:41:31,259 --> 01:41:33,027 under any circumstances 2093 01:41:33,060 --> 01:41:36,464 short of a successful and total invasion of the home islands. 2094 01:41:36,498 --> 01:41:39,467 Many lives will be lost, American and Japanese. 2095 01:41:39,501 --> 01:41:41,735 The use of the atomic bomb on Japanese cities 2096 01:41:41,769 --> 01:41:43,737 will save lives. 2097 01:41:43,771 --> 01:41:46,073 If we retain moral advantage. 2098 01:41:46,107 --> 01:41:48,243 -How so? -Well, if we use this weapon 2099 01:41:48,276 --> 01:41:51,213 without informing our allies, they'll see it as a threat. 2100 01:41:51,246 --> 01:41:52,414 And we'll be in an arms race. 2101 01:41:52,447 --> 01:41:54,516 How open can we be with the Soviets? 2102 01:41:54,549 --> 01:41:56,117 Secrecy won't stop the Soviets 2103 01:41:56,151 --> 01:41:58,520 from becoming part of the atomic world. 2104 01:41:58,553 --> 01:42:00,854 We've been told they have no uranium. 2105 01:42:00,888 --> 01:42:02,089 You've been misinformed. 2106 01:42:02,123 --> 01:42:03,958 A Russian bomb is a matter of time. 2107 01:42:03,991 --> 01:42:07,395 The program needs to continue at full pace after the war. 2108 01:42:07,429 --> 01:42:10,030 Uh, Secretary Stimson, if I may... 2109 01:42:10,064 --> 01:42:14,068 Not all scientists on the project are in agreement. 2110 01:42:14,101 --> 01:42:16,971 In fact, this might be a moment to consider other opinions. 2111 01:42:17,004 --> 01:42:18,906 -If you talk a scientist in... -The Manhattan Project 2112 01:42:18,939 --> 01:42:20,308 has been plagued from the start 2113 01:42:20,342 --> 01:42:24,145 by certain scientists of doubtful discretion 2114 01:42:24,179 --> 01:42:25,247 and uncertain loyalty. 2115 01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,515 One of them just tried to meet with the president. 2116 01:42:27,549 --> 01:42:29,384 Now, we need these men, 2117 01:42:29,417 --> 01:42:30,951 but as soon as it's practical, 2118 01:42:30,985 --> 01:42:33,255 we should sever any such scientists from the program. 2119 01:42:33,288 --> 01:42:34,855 Wouldn't you agree, Doctor? 2120 01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:37,825 If a Russian bomb is inevitable, 2121 01:42:37,858 --> 01:42:41,129 perhaps we should invite their top scientists to Trinity. 2122 01:42:41,162 --> 01:42:43,465 President Truman has no intention 2123 01:42:43,498 --> 01:42:45,065 of raising expectations 2124 01:42:45,099 --> 01:42:47,901 that Stalin be included in the atomic project. 2125 01:42:47,935 --> 01:42:49,304 Informing him of our breakthrough 2126 01:42:49,337 --> 01:42:50,938 and presenting it as a means to win the war 2127 01:42:50,971 --> 01:42:53,874 need not make unkeepable promises. 2128 01:42:53,907 --> 01:42:55,443 But the Potsdam peace conference in July 2129 01:42:55,477 --> 01:42:57,379 will be President Truman's last chance 2130 01:42:57,412 --> 01:42:59,547 to have that conversation. 2131 01:42:59,581 --> 01:43:01,483 Can you give us a working bomb by then? 2132 01:43:02,450 --> 01:43:06,187 Absolutely. We will test fire before the conference. 2133 01:43:10,924 --> 01:43:13,461 Ground zero observation posts 2134 01:43:13,495 --> 01:43:14,962 at 10,000 yards 2135 01:43:14,995 --> 01:43:17,165 north, south and west. 2136 01:43:17,198 --> 01:43:20,502 -Where do we trigger from? -Uh, south 10,000. 2137 01:43:20,535 --> 01:43:23,871 And base camp is ten miles south, here. 2138 01:43:23,904 --> 01:43:26,840 And there's a further observation post 2139 01:43:26,874 --> 01:43:29,043 on-on that hill 20 miles away. 2140 01:43:29,076 --> 01:43:32,046 What's that, Frank? Trigger lines already went in. 2141 01:43:32,079 --> 01:43:35,583 The Air Force requested a line of lights for their B-29. 2142 01:43:35,617 --> 01:43:38,052 What B-29? Our bomb's on the tower. 2143 01:43:38,085 --> 01:43:39,454 They want to use the test 2144 01:43:39,487 --> 01:43:41,323 to confirm a safe operating distance. 2145 01:43:41,356 --> 01:43:42,590 That's risky. 2146 01:43:42,624 --> 01:43:44,259 Not as risky as dropping one over Japan 2147 01:43:44,292 --> 01:43:46,060 and hoping that we were right about the blast radius. 2148 01:43:46,093 --> 01:43:48,196 Don't let them slow us down, we're firing on the 15th. 2149 01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:51,466 -The 15th? That's not... -The 15th. 2150 01:43:51,499 --> 01:43:53,834 The 15th. 2151 01:43:54,935 --> 01:43:56,870 So I'll be here at South Observation point 2152 01:43:56,904 --> 01:43:59,107 with Frank and Kistiakowsky. 2153 01:43:59,140 --> 01:44:01,643 You'll all be assigned to Base Camp, 2154 01:44:01,676 --> 01:44:04,878 West Observation or Far Observation. 2155 01:44:14,522 --> 01:44:16,424 Whoa, whoa. Careful with the knife. 2156 01:44:16,458 --> 01:44:18,892 There, carefully. 2157 01:44:19,993 --> 01:44:21,529 Are those safe distances? 2158 01:44:21,563 --> 01:44:24,064 They're based on your calculations. 2159 01:44:24,098 --> 01:44:27,000 Time to stand behind your science, Hans. Literally. 2160 01:44:50,425 --> 01:44:51,892 Yeah. 2161 01:44:56,564 --> 01:44:58,400 What 'bout the radiation cloud? 2162 01:44:58,433 --> 01:44:59,667 Without high winds, 2163 01:44:59,701 --> 01:45:01,269 it should settle within two to three miles. 2164 01:45:01,302 --> 01:45:03,705 Evacuation measures are in place. 2165 01:45:03,738 --> 01:45:05,540 But we need good weather for visibility, 2166 01:45:05,573 --> 01:45:07,040 so it has to be fine. 2167 01:45:08,143 --> 01:45:09,411 Everybody out. 2168 01:45:19,587 --> 01:45:20,722 We go on the night of the 15th. 2169 01:45:20,755 --> 01:45:22,690 It's a hard deadline, 2170 01:45:22,724 --> 01:45:26,026 so if anyone has anything, speak now. 2171 01:45:26,728 --> 01:45:28,061 Okay, stop, stop. 2172 01:45:28,095 --> 01:45:29,963 Everybody, mattresses. 2173 01:45:29,997 --> 01:45:32,065 Put the mattress underneath. 2174 01:45:49,049 --> 01:45:51,952 Could use a final implosion test. 2175 01:45:52,654 --> 01:45:54,622 It couldn't hurt. 2176 01:45:54,656 --> 01:45:56,157 Do it. 2177 01:45:57,125 --> 01:45:59,427 Is there anything else that might stop us? 2178 01:46:33,528 --> 01:46:36,431 It's happening, isn't it? 2179 01:46:37,532 --> 01:46:39,300 I'll send a message. 2180 01:46:40,168 --> 01:46:42,804 If it's gone our way, 2181 01:46:42,837 --> 01:46:44,405 take in the sheets. 2182 01:46:48,443 --> 01:46:49,477 Robert? 2183 01:46:52,146 --> 01:46:53,581 Break a leg. 2184 01:48:00,148 --> 01:48:03,284 Oppie's taken a very modest three kilotons. 2185 01:48:03,318 --> 01:48:05,687 -Teller's in with 45. -20. 2186 01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:08,156 Twenty thousand tons of TNT, 2187 01:48:08,189 --> 01:48:09,591 and does anyone want the side action 2188 01:48:09,624 --> 01:48:12,360 on atmospheric ignition? 2189 01:48:13,328 --> 01:48:16,264 Are you saying we'll have to delay? 2190 01:48:16,297 --> 01:48:17,465 I'm saying it would be prudent. 2191 01:48:17,498 --> 01:48:18,733 This weather, has it reached the site? 2192 01:48:24,572 --> 01:48:26,541 Bethe is calling to tell you the implosion test failed. 2193 01:48:26,574 --> 01:48:28,209 Hello, Hans. 2194 01:48:28,242 --> 01:48:29,644 Yes, he's here. 2195 01:48:30,478 --> 01:48:31,813 Yes. 2196 01:48:34,382 --> 01:48:35,583 -Is he wrong? -No. 2197 01:48:35,617 --> 01:48:37,518 -No? -No. 2198 01:48:38,353 --> 01:48:39,921 So we're about to fire a dud? 2199 01:48:39,954 --> 01:48:41,422 -No. -Explain. 2200 01:48:41,456 --> 01:48:44,225 Well, I can't. I just... I-I just know. 2201 01:48:44,258 --> 01:48:45,927 I know the implosion lenses will work. 2202 01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,362 If we fire these detonators 2203 01:48:47,395 --> 01:48:48,630 and they don't trigger a reaction, 2204 01:48:48,663 --> 01:48:50,331 two years' worth of plutonium 2205 01:48:50,365 --> 01:48:51,766 will be scattered across White Sands. 2206 01:48:51,799 --> 01:48:55,703 A month of my salary against ten bucks says it lights. 2207 01:48:55,737 --> 01:48:57,739 Jesus. 2208 01:49:02,810 --> 01:49:05,947 The wind's picking up at zero, not the rain. 2209 01:49:05,980 --> 01:49:07,415 Lightning's circling. 2210 01:49:07,448 --> 01:49:08,883 You think it might be time to tell your men 2211 01:49:08,916 --> 01:49:11,819 to get away from the steel tower with the atomic bomb? 2212 01:49:14,956 --> 01:49:16,924 Let's get to South Observation. 2213 01:49:16,958 --> 01:49:18,426 Pull 'em out. 2214 01:49:18,459 --> 01:49:19,861 We can make our determination there. 2215 01:49:25,266 --> 01:49:27,268 The team hasn't slept in two nights. 2216 01:49:27,301 --> 01:49:29,303 If we stand down, make the bomb safe, 2217 01:49:29,337 --> 01:49:30,672 we won't be back here for weeks. 2218 01:49:30,705 --> 01:49:32,373 Then we'll miss Potsdam. 2219 01:49:32,407 --> 01:49:34,308 I gotta get word to Truman by 7:00. 2220 01:49:34,342 --> 01:49:35,576 Our window's closing. 2221 01:49:35,610 --> 01:49:36,678 What is this doing? 2222 01:49:36,711 --> 01:49:38,212 Raining, blowing, lightning. 2223 01:49:38,246 --> 01:49:40,281 -For how long, damn it? -It's holdin' strong. 2224 01:49:40,314 --> 01:49:41,616 It'll break before dawn. 2225 01:49:41,649 --> 01:49:43,317 -How could you know that? -I know this desert. 2226 01:49:43,351 --> 01:49:44,452 Storm cools overnight. 2227 01:49:44,485 --> 01:49:46,287 Just before dawn, the storm breaks. 2228 01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,523 He could be right, but schedule as late as possible. 2229 01:49:48,556 --> 01:49:50,291 5:30! 2230 01:49:50,324 --> 01:49:51,359 Sign your forecast. 2231 01:49:51,392 --> 01:49:52,460 If you're wrong, I'll hang you. 2232 01:49:52,493 --> 01:49:54,295 Frank, tell them all, 5:30. 2233 01:49:54,328 --> 01:49:56,464 -5:30, 5:30. -5:30. 2234 01:49:58,666 --> 01:50:03,604 Three years, 4,000 people, $2 billion. 2235 01:50:03,638 --> 01:50:06,007 Well, if it doesn't go off... 2236 01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:07,642 we're both finished. 2237 01:50:10,411 --> 01:50:12,380 I'm betting on three kilotons. 2238 01:50:13,347 --> 01:50:14,782 Anything less, they won't get what it is. 2239 01:50:14,816 --> 01:50:19,387 What did Fermi mean by "atmospheric ignition"? 2240 01:50:19,420 --> 01:50:20,888 Well, we had a moment where it looked like 2241 01:50:20,922 --> 01:50:24,759 the chain reaction from an atomic device might never stop. 2242 01:50:25,993 --> 01:50:28,029 Setting fire to the atmosphere. 2243 01:50:28,062 --> 01:50:30,031 Why is Fermi still taking side bets on it? 2244 01:50:30,064 --> 01:50:33,234 Call it gallows humor. 2245 01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:38,372 Wait, are we saying there's a chance 2246 01:50:38,406 --> 01:50:40,274 that when we push that button, 2247 01:50:40,308 --> 01:50:41,642 we destroy the world? 2248 01:50:41,676 --> 01:50:43,845 Nothing in our research over three years 2249 01:50:43,878 --> 01:50:45,513 supports that conclusion. 2250 01:50:45,546 --> 01:50:48,516 Except as the most remote possibility. 2251 01:50:48,549 --> 01:50:49,884 How remote? 2252 01:50:49,917 --> 01:50:51,519 Chances are near zero. 2253 01:50:52,854 --> 01:50:54,255 Near zero? 2254 01:50:55,022 --> 01:50:57,592 What do you want from theory alone? 2255 01:50:59,093 --> 01:51:01,462 Zero would be nice. 2256 01:51:04,766 --> 01:51:06,400 In exactly 2257 01:51:06,434 --> 01:51:09,737 one hour, 58 minutes, 2258 01:51:09,771 --> 01:51:11,305 we'll know. 2259 01:51:17,345 --> 01:51:18,546 It's letting up. 2260 01:51:31,425 --> 01:51:33,795 The arming party's left Zero, they're heading this way. 2261 01:51:33,828 --> 01:51:34,796 Throwing the switches. 2262 01:51:34,829 --> 01:51:35,930 Turn the cars. 2263 01:51:35,963 --> 01:51:38,432 Ready for emergency evacuation. 2264 01:51:56,118 --> 01:51:57,351 ...welder's glass. 2265 01:51:57,385 --> 01:51:58,953 Everybody take your places. 2266 01:51:58,986 --> 01:52:01,489 Everybody take a welder's glass. 2267 01:52:02,990 --> 01:52:04,859 Everybody take a welder's glass. 2268 01:52:56,077 --> 01:52:57,478 Twenty minutes. 2269 01:53:00,982 --> 01:53:02,817 Twenty minutes. 2270 01:53:13,995 --> 01:53:15,529 That's 20. 2271 01:53:18,532 --> 01:53:20,001 On the leg, please. 2272 01:53:21,535 --> 01:53:24,038 -Feynman. -No. 2273 01:53:24,071 --> 01:53:26,040 The glass. Stops the U.V. 2274 01:53:26,073 --> 01:53:27,875 And what stops the glass? 2275 01:53:28,876 --> 01:53:31,846 I'm gonna head to base camp. Best of luck. 2276 01:53:32,980 --> 01:53:34,515 Robert. 2277 01:53:35,117 --> 01:53:36,951 Try not to blow up the world. 2278 01:53:48,829 --> 01:53:49,931 Watch that needle. 2279 01:53:49,964 --> 01:53:51,532 If the detonators don't charge 2280 01:53:51,565 --> 01:53:53,501 or the voltage drops below one volt, 2281 01:53:53,534 --> 01:53:55,536 you hit that button, you abort. 2282 01:53:55,569 --> 01:53:57,872 -Understood? -Understood. 2283 01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,815 Two minutes to detonation. 2284 01:54:07,848 --> 01:54:09,817 Everybody down. 2285 01:54:09,850 --> 01:54:10,818 Do not turn around 2286 01:54:10,851 --> 01:54:13,921 until you see light reflected on the hills. 2287 01:54:13,955 --> 01:54:15,089 Then look at the explosion 2288 01:54:15,123 --> 01:54:16,757 only through your welder's glass. 2289 01:54:16,791 --> 01:54:19,493 Ninety seconds to detonation. 2290 01:54:21,129 --> 01:54:23,965 Ninety seconds to detonation. 2291 01:54:23,998 --> 01:54:26,100 Is it rubbed in? 2292 01:54:26,134 --> 01:54:27,501 Yeah. 2293 01:54:33,841 --> 01:54:36,944 Sixty seconds to detonation. 2294 01:54:51,625 --> 01:54:53,861 These things are hard on your heart. 2295 01:54:53,894 --> 01:54:55,596 Thirty seconds. 2296 01:55:00,701 --> 01:55:02,103 Detonators charged. 2297 01:55:12,247 --> 01:55:15,716 Seventeen, sixteen, 2298 01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:16,917 fifteen, 2299 01:55:16,951 --> 01:55:18,120 fourteen, 2300 01:55:18,153 --> 01:55:19,954 thirteen, 2301 01:55:19,987 --> 01:55:22,157 twelve, 2302 01:55:22,190 --> 01:55:23,858 eleven, 2303 01:55:23,891 --> 01:55:25,860 ten, 2304 01:55:25,893 --> 01:55:28,296 nine, 2305 01:55:28,330 --> 01:55:30,298 eight, 2306 01:55:30,332 --> 01:55:32,900 seven, 2307 01:55:32,933 --> 01:55:35,303 six... 2308 01:55:35,337 --> 01:55:36,804 ...five... 2309 01:55:38,806 --> 01:55:41,276 ...four... 2310 01:55:41,309 --> 01:55:43,245 three... 2311 01:55:43,278 --> 01:55:44,812 two... 2312 01:55:46,114 --> 01:55:47,182 ...one. 2313 01:56:08,702 --> 01:56:10,638 Poof. 2314 01:57:19,441 --> 01:57:22,810 "And now I am become Death. 2315 01:57:24,712 --> 01:57:26,881 The destroyer of worlds." 2316 01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:01,249 It worked. 2317 01:58:36,484 --> 01:58:38,486 -You owe me ten dollars! -Oh! 2318 01:58:40,821 --> 01:58:41,956 -Come on! -Hang on. 2319 01:58:41,989 --> 01:58:43,425 I'm good for it, Kisty. 2320 01:58:43,458 --> 01:58:45,759 You are. 2321 01:58:45,793 --> 01:58:48,496 Yes, you are! 2322 01:59:12,587 --> 01:59:14,122 Well done. 2323 01:59:15,823 --> 01:59:18,360 We did it! We did it! 2324 01:59:18,393 --> 01:59:20,295 Well done. 2325 01:59:25,099 --> 01:59:26,934 -Get me Potsdam right away. -Yes, sir. 2326 01:59:38,413 --> 01:59:40,181 Get a message to Kitty. 2327 01:59:40,215 --> 01:59:40,914 We can't say anything. 2328 01:59:40,948 --> 01:59:42,883 Tell her to take in the sheets. 2329 01:59:50,891 --> 01:59:52,427 We did it, everyone! 2330 01:59:57,299 --> 01:59:59,099 Hello? 2331 01:59:59,134 --> 02:00:01,569 -Hi, Kitty? -What, what? Charlotte... 2332 02:00:01,603 --> 02:00:02,970 Charlotte, go ahead, go ahead. 2333 02:00:03,003 --> 02:00:04,372 Oh, um, well, I don't know, 2334 02:00:04,406 --> 02:00:07,609 he just said to tell you to "bring in the sheets." 2335 02:00:10,312 --> 02:00:11,879 Kitty? 2336 02:00:12,980 --> 02:00:15,417 Kitty? Kitty, are you still there? 2337 02:00:22,324 --> 02:00:24,459 If they detonate it too high in the air, 2338 02:00:24,492 --> 02:00:25,859 the blast won't be as powerful. 2339 02:00:25,893 --> 02:00:27,928 With respect, Dr. Oppenheimer, 2340 02:00:27,961 --> 02:00:29,997 we'll take it from here. 2341 02:00:40,241 --> 02:00:43,144 Did Truman brief Stalin at Potsdam? 2342 02:00:43,178 --> 02:00:45,913 A brief would be an overstatement. 2343 02:00:45,946 --> 02:00:50,017 He referred to a powerful new weapon. 2344 02:00:50,050 --> 02:00:55,123 Stalin hoped we'd use it against Japan. 2345 02:00:56,358 --> 02:00:58,092 That's it? 2346 02:00:58,126 --> 02:01:01,363 Robert, we've given them an ace, it's for them to play the hand. 2347 02:01:03,498 --> 02:01:05,600 You're aiming for the 6th? 2348 02:01:05,633 --> 02:01:07,935 It's up to the CO in the Pacific. 2349 02:01:09,270 --> 02:01:11,339 Shall I come with you to Washington? 2350 02:01:12,940 --> 02:01:14,175 What for? 2351 02:01:16,444 --> 02:01:18,045 Well, you'll keep me informed. 2352 02:01:19,381 --> 02:01:21,014 Of course. 2353 02:01:22,584 --> 02:01:24,185 As best I can. 2354 02:01:41,603 --> 02:01:44,472 Would the Japanese surrender if they knew what was coming? 2355 02:01:45,707 --> 02:01:47,308 I don't know. 2356 02:01:49,711 --> 02:01:51,713 Have you seen Szilard's petition? 2357 02:01:51,746 --> 02:01:54,482 What the hell does Szilard know about the Japanese? 2358 02:01:54,516 --> 02:01:55,717 You're not signing it, are you? 2359 02:01:55,750 --> 02:01:59,154 Many people have. A lot of people have. 2360 02:01:59,187 --> 02:02:00,321 Edward. 2361 02:02:01,589 --> 02:02:03,258 The fact that we built this bomb 2362 02:02:03,291 --> 02:02:06,294 does not give us any more... any more right or responsibility 2363 02:02:06,327 --> 02:02:08,430 to decide how it's used than anyone else. 2364 02:02:08,463 --> 02:02:10,465 But we're the only people who know about it. 2365 02:02:10,498 --> 02:02:14,067 I've told Stimson the various opinions of the community. 2366 02:02:14,101 --> 02:02:15,503 But what's your opinion? 2367 02:02:16,738 --> 02:02:18,273 Once it's used... 2368 02:02:19,374 --> 02:02:23,076 ...nuclear war, perhaps all war... 2369 02:02:24,679 --> 02:02:26,114 ...becomes unthinkable. 2370 02:02:26,147 --> 02:02:29,150 Until somebody builds a bigger bomb. 2371 02:02:49,737 --> 02:02:51,473 I thought they would call. 2372 02:02:51,506 --> 02:02:53,073 It's only the 5th. 2373 02:02:55,243 --> 02:02:57,245 In Japan, it's the 6th. 2374 02:03:10,391 --> 02:03:11,392 Charlotte. 2375 02:03:13,728 --> 02:03:15,430 Try Groves. 2376 02:03:16,431 --> 02:03:17,499 Anything? 2377 02:03:19,801 --> 02:03:21,169 Charlotte? 2378 02:03:21,202 --> 02:03:22,504 Truman's on the radio. 2379 02:03:23,438 --> 02:03:26,341 Sixteen hours ago, 2380 02:03:26,374 --> 02:03:32,280 an American airplane dropped one bomb on Hiroshima... 2381 02:03:33,314 --> 02:03:36,451 ...and destroyed its usefulness to the enemy. 2382 02:03:38,419 --> 02:03:44,292 The bomb had more power than 20,000 tons of TNT. 2383 02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:48,229 It is an atomic bomb. 2384 02:03:51,432 --> 02:03:52,800 It is a harnessing 2385 02:03:52,834 --> 02:03:55,603 of the basic powers of the universe. 2386 02:03:57,639 --> 02:03:59,274 Groves on one. 2387 02:03:59,307 --> 02:04:02,343 We are now prepared to destroy more rapidly 2388 02:04:02,377 --> 02:04:04,679 and completely the Japanese... 2389 02:04:04,712 --> 02:04:06,381 General? 2390 02:04:06,414 --> 02:04:09,450 I'm very proud of you and all of your people. 2391 02:04:09,484 --> 02:04:10,818 It went all right? 2392 02:04:10,852 --> 02:04:13,821 Apparently, it went with a tremendous bang. 2393 02:04:13,855 --> 02:04:15,490 Well, 2394 02:04:15,523 --> 02:04:18,459 everyone here is feeling reasonably good about it. 2395 02:04:19,894 --> 02:04:21,529 It's been a long road. 2396 02:04:21,563 --> 02:04:24,365 I think one of the wisest things I ever did 2397 02:04:24,399 --> 02:04:27,435 was when I selected the director of Los Alamos. 2398 02:04:29,804 --> 02:04:32,140 We have spent 2399 02:04:32,173 --> 02:04:34,175 more than $2 billion 2400 02:04:34,208 --> 02:04:38,446 on the greatest scientific gamble in history, 2401 02:04:38,479 --> 02:04:41,316 and we have won. 2402 02:04:44,852 --> 02:04:47,555 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 2403 02:04:47,589 --> 02:04:49,591 Oppie! Oppie! 2404 02:04:49,624 --> 02:04:52,827 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 2405 02:04:52,860 --> 02:04:54,696 Oppie! Oppie! 2406 02:04:54,729 --> 02:04:57,498 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 2407 02:04:57,532 --> 02:05:00,868 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 2408 02:05:00,902 --> 02:05:05,506 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 2409 02:05:05,540 --> 02:05:06,874 Oppie! Oppie! 2410 02:05:06,908 --> 02:05:09,477 Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! 2411 02:06:08,569 --> 02:06:09,671 The world... 2412 02:06:11,673 --> 02:06:12,807 ...will remember this day. 2413 02:06:31,726 --> 02:06:33,461 It's too soon to... 2414 02:06:34,328 --> 02:06:35,997 It's too soon to determine 2415 02:06:36,030 --> 02:06:38,399 what the results of the bombing are. 2416 02:06:41,335 --> 02:06:42,937 But I'll bet the Japanese didn't like it. 2417 02:07:03,825 --> 02:07:05,359 I'm so proud. 2418 02:07:06,494 --> 02:07:08,629 So proud of what you have accomplished. 2419 02:07:14,936 --> 02:07:18,773 I just wish we had it in time to use against the Germans. 2420 02:09:08,616 --> 02:09:10,484 Dr. Oppenheimer? 2421 02:09:11,085 --> 02:09:13,387 Dr. Oppenheimer? 2422 02:09:13,421 --> 02:09:15,089 -Nice picture. -Oh. 2423 02:09:15,123 --> 02:09:17,458 President Truman will see you now. 2424 02:09:31,173 --> 02:09:34,008 Dr. Oppenheimer. It's an honor. 2425 02:09:34,041 --> 02:09:35,977 -Mr. President. -Please. 2426 02:09:36,010 --> 02:09:37,812 Thank you. 2427 02:09:37,845 --> 02:09:39,380 Secretary Byrnes. 2428 02:09:40,581 --> 02:09:42,583 How's it feel to be 2429 02:09:42,617 --> 02:09:44,652 the most famous man in the world? 2430 02:09:45,653 --> 02:09:48,723 You helped save a lot of American lives. 2431 02:09:48,756 --> 02:09:51,126 What we did at Hiroshima was a... 2432 02:09:51,159 --> 02:09:53,094 And Nagasaki. 2433 02:09:53,128 --> 02:09:55,130 Well, obviously. 2434 02:09:55,163 --> 02:09:59,100 Your invention let us bring our boys home. 2435 02:09:59,134 --> 02:10:02,503 Well, it was hardly my invention. 2436 02:10:02,536 --> 02:10:04,805 It was you on the cover of Time. 2437 02:10:07,675 --> 02:10:09,211 Jim tells me you're concerned 2438 02:10:09,244 --> 02:10:11,012 about an arms race with the Soviets. 2439 02:10:11,045 --> 02:10:13,414 Uh, yes, uh... 2440 02:10:14,116 --> 02:10:15,616 Well, um, 2441 02:10:15,650 --> 02:10:20,755 it's that, uh, now is our chance to secure 2442 02:10:20,788 --> 02:10:23,658 international cooperation on atomic energy, 2443 02:10:23,691 --> 02:10:26,727 and... and I'm concerned... 2444 02:10:26,761 --> 02:10:28,996 Do you know when the Soviets are gonna have the bomb? 2445 02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:30,965 I don't think I could give a... 2446 02:10:30,998 --> 02:10:32,401 Never. 2447 02:10:33,034 --> 02:10:34,669 Never. 2448 02:10:34,702 --> 02:10:37,872 Mr. President, the-the Russians have good physicists 2449 02:10:37,905 --> 02:10:39,540 and-and... and abundant resources. 2450 02:10:39,573 --> 02:10:41,676 -Abundant? -Yes. 2451 02:10:41,709 --> 02:10:44,979 I don't think so. 2452 02:10:45,012 --> 02:10:48,549 Well, they'll-they'll put everything they have and... 2453 02:10:51,819 --> 02:10:55,690 I hear you're leaving Los Alamos. 2454 02:10:56,958 --> 02:10:58,059 What should we do with it? 2455 02:10:58,092 --> 02:11:00,594 Give it back to the Indians. 2456 02:11:08,002 --> 02:11:11,239 Um... Dr. Oppenheimer, 2457 02:11:11,273 --> 02:11:13,607 if what you say about the Soviets is true, 2458 02:11:13,641 --> 02:11:17,044 we have to build up Los Alamos, 2459 02:11:17,078 --> 02:11:18,980 not shut it down. 2460 02:11:22,217 --> 02:11:24,018 Uh, Mr. President... 2461 02:11:25,086 --> 02:11:26,587 Um... 2462 02:11:29,257 --> 02:11:32,927 I feel that I have blood on my hands. 2463 02:11:52,713 --> 02:11:58,019 You think anyone in Hiroshima or Nagasaki 2464 02:11:58,052 --> 02:12:01,088 gives a shit who built the bomb? 2465 02:12:04,259 --> 02:12:06,627 They care who dropped it. 2466 02:12:07,329 --> 02:12:09,597 I did. 2467 02:12:10,831 --> 02:12:13,801 Hiroshima isn't about you. 2468 02:12:19,940 --> 02:12:22,076 Dr. Oppenheimer. 2469 02:12:33,020 --> 02:12:35,823 Don't let that crybaby back in here. 2470 02:12:40,928 --> 02:12:43,964 Robert saw that hand-wringing got him nowhere. 2471 02:12:43,998 --> 02:12:47,335 By the time I'd met him, he'd fully embraced 2472 02:12:47,369 --> 02:12:49,937 his "father of the bomb" reputation. 2473 02:12:49,970 --> 02:12:52,374 Used his profile to influence policy. 2474 02:13:01,849 --> 02:13:03,218 Doctor, in the years following the war, 2475 02:13:03,251 --> 02:13:05,387 would you say that you exerted a great influence 2476 02:13:05,420 --> 02:13:07,222 on the atomic policies of the USA? 2477 02:13:07,255 --> 02:13:09,957 I think great would be an overstatement. 2478 02:13:09,990 --> 02:13:11,959 Really? If we look at the issue of isotopes, 2479 02:13:11,992 --> 02:13:13,694 were you not personally responsible 2480 02:13:13,727 --> 02:13:15,763 for destroying all opposition to their export? 2481 02:13:15,796 --> 02:13:18,666 Could use a-a bottle of beer... 2482 02:13:18,699 --> 02:13:20,368 ...when making atomic weapons. In fact, you do. 2483 02:13:20,402 --> 02:13:22,870 I was the spokesman, but the-the opinion 2484 02:13:22,903 --> 02:13:24,705 among scientists was unanimous. 2485 02:13:24,738 --> 02:13:26,408 All along with McCarthy on the rise, 2486 02:13:26,441 --> 02:13:27,842 he knew he was vulnerable. 2487 02:13:27,875 --> 02:13:29,244 His brother was blacklisted 2488 02:13:29,277 --> 02:13:32,180 by every university in the country. 2489 02:13:33,281 --> 02:13:36,118 Lomanitz wound up working the railroad, laying track. 2490 02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:40,155 And Chevalier went into exile. 2491 02:13:43,291 --> 02:13:44,725 But none of that 2492 02:13:44,758 --> 02:13:46,727 stopped Robert from pushing the GAC 2493 02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:49,630 to recommend arms control instead of the H-bomb. 2494 02:13:51,433 --> 02:13:52,900 He was devastated 2495 02:13:52,933 --> 02:13:55,002 when Truman rejected their recommendation. 2496 02:13:56,737 --> 02:13:59,274 I miss Richard more than I can bear. 2497 02:13:59,307 --> 02:14:01,075 I know, Ruth, I know. 2498 02:14:01,109 --> 02:14:04,212 Part of me's glad he didn't live to see where this is all going. 2499 02:14:06,981 --> 02:14:08,416 Here comes the birthday boy. 2500 02:14:08,450 --> 02:14:11,051 -To gloat. -Have fun. 2501 02:14:12,052 --> 02:14:14,422 Robert, uh, my son and his fiancée are desperate to meet 2502 02:14:14,456 --> 02:14:16,424 the father of the atomic bomb, and so... 2503 02:14:16,458 --> 02:14:19,261 Well. Good day. 2504 02:14:25,333 --> 02:14:27,435 Is this a bad time? 2505 02:14:27,469 --> 02:14:28,969 What do you think, Lewis? 2506 02:14:29,003 --> 02:14:31,071 Well, I think it must have been a blow for you. 2507 02:14:31,105 --> 02:14:33,241 For the world. 2508 02:14:33,275 --> 02:14:34,909 The world? 2509 02:14:34,942 --> 02:14:38,913 What does Fuchs mean to the rest of the world? 2510 02:14:38,946 --> 02:14:40,348 Fuchs? 2511 02:14:40,382 --> 02:14:41,982 Klaus Fuchs? 2512 02:14:43,418 --> 02:14:45,819 Oh, dear. You haven't heard. 2513 02:14:48,989 --> 02:14:50,858 Klaus Fuchs, the British scientist that you put 2514 02:14:50,891 --> 02:14:53,928 onto the implosion team at Los Alamos, 2515 02:14:53,961 --> 02:14:56,096 turns out he was... 2516 02:14:56,131 --> 02:14:59,401 he was spying for the Soviets the whole time. 2517 02:14:59,434 --> 02:15:00,968 I'm sorry. 2518 02:15:06,141 --> 02:15:09,043 After the truth about Fuchs came out, 2519 02:15:09,076 --> 02:15:11,179 the FBI stepped up surveillance on him. 2520 02:15:11,213 --> 02:15:15,082 He knew his phone was tapped, he was followed everywhere... 2521 02:15:16,451 --> 02:15:17,885 ...his trash picked through. 2522 02:15:21,889 --> 02:15:23,358 But never stopped speaking his mind. 2523 02:15:23,391 --> 02:15:26,060 A man of conviction. 2524 02:15:26,093 --> 02:15:28,929 And maybe he thought fame could actually protect him. 2525 02:15:30,432 --> 02:15:33,867 When Eisenhower took office, he saw one more chance. 2526 02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:36,304 He took it. 2527 02:15:36,338 --> 02:15:38,806 America and Russia 2528 02:15:38,839 --> 02:15:43,111 may be likened to two scorpions in a bottle, 2529 02:15:43,144 --> 02:15:46,514 each capable of killing the other 2530 02:15:46,548 --> 02:15:49,251 but only at the risk of his own life. 2531 02:15:49,284 --> 02:15:52,052 Now, there are various aspects of this policy... 2532 02:15:52,086 --> 02:15:54,088 Lot of scientists blame me, 2533 02:15:54,122 --> 02:15:57,259 but how was I supposed to protect him? 2534 02:15:57,292 --> 02:15:59,261 ...too secret for discussion, 2535 02:15:59,294 --> 02:16:01,296 candor is the only remedy. 2536 02:16:01,329 --> 02:16:02,863 Officials in Washington 2537 02:16:02,896 --> 02:16:04,399 need to start leveling with the American people. 2538 02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:08,936 That was the last straw for Robert's enemies. 2539 02:16:08,969 --> 02:16:11,005 So he had to lose his security clearance. 2540 02:16:11,038 --> 02:16:13,807 And with it, his credibility. 2541 02:16:13,841 --> 02:16:16,244 But how could they do it? 2542 02:16:16,278 --> 02:16:17,545 He was a war hero. 2543 02:16:17,579 --> 02:16:19,281 He'd already told everyone about his past. 2544 02:16:19,314 --> 02:16:21,283 Borden dredged it all up. 2545 02:16:21,316 --> 02:16:24,552 How could Borden get access to Oppenheimer's FBI file? 2546 02:16:24,586 --> 02:16:26,154 Could it have been Nichols? 2547 02:16:26,187 --> 02:16:28,490 No, I can't imagine he'd do that. 2548 02:16:28,523 --> 02:16:30,558 But whoever did unleashed a firestorm 2549 02:16:30,592 --> 02:16:32,594 that burned a path from the White House 2550 02:16:32,627 --> 02:16:35,297 back to my desk at the AEC. 2551 02:16:35,330 --> 02:16:37,165 You see them in there, right? 2552 02:16:37,198 --> 02:16:41,068 I've been working my whole life to get here. 2553 02:16:41,101 --> 02:16:43,138 Cabinet of the United States of America. 2554 02:16:43,171 --> 02:16:45,105 Now, in front of the entire country, 2555 02:16:45,140 --> 02:16:47,208 they're gonna put me back in my place. 2556 02:16:48,643 --> 02:16:51,313 A lowly shoe salesman. 2557 02:16:51,346 --> 02:16:53,181 Lewis, we can win this thing. 2558 02:16:53,214 --> 02:16:55,283 I-I think we can get the Senate to grasp 2559 02:16:55,317 --> 02:16:58,119 that you did your duty, painful though it was. 2560 02:16:58,153 --> 02:16:59,920 Now, will Hill's testimony back us up? 2561 02:16:59,953 --> 02:17:01,922 -Hill will be fine. -I don't really know him, 2562 02:17:01,955 --> 02:17:04,125 but, uh, he was one of Szilard's boys in Chicago, 2563 02:17:04,159 --> 02:17:06,194 and they never forgave Robert for not supporting 2564 02:17:06,227 --> 02:17:08,630 their petition against bombing Japan. 2565 02:17:08,663 --> 02:17:13,867 This was taken 31 days after the bombing. 2566 02:17:13,901 --> 02:17:16,638 Virtually everyone in the street, 2567 02:17:16,671 --> 02:17:18,906 for nearly a mile around, 2568 02:17:18,939 --> 02:17:22,143 was instantly and seriously burned. 2569 02:17:23,378 --> 02:17:27,915 The, uh, Japanese spoke of people who wore striped clothing 2570 02:17:27,948 --> 02:17:30,918 upon whom the skin was burned in stripes. 2571 02:17:31,985 --> 02:17:34,356 There were many who thought themselves lucky, 2572 02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:37,091 who climbed out of the ruins of their homes 2573 02:17:37,125 --> 02:17:38,992 only slightly injured. 2574 02:17:40,128 --> 02:17:41,895 But they died anyway. 2575 02:17:42,564 --> 02:17:45,667 They died days or weeks later 2576 02:17:45,700 --> 02:17:49,036 from the radium-like rays emitted in great numbers 2577 02:17:49,069 --> 02:17:50,971 at the moment of the explosion. 2578 02:17:52,173 --> 02:17:54,242 Did you read this crap in the papers? 2579 02:17:54,275 --> 02:17:57,077 A British physicist is saying the atomic bombings 2580 02:17:57,112 --> 02:17:59,280 were not the last act of World War II 2581 02:17:59,314 --> 02:18:02,450 but the first act of this cold war with Russia. 2582 02:18:02,484 --> 02:18:03,951 Which physicist? 2583 02:18:03,984 --> 02:18:05,387 I think you knew him. 2584 02:18:05,420 --> 02:18:07,020 Patrick Blackett. 2585 02:18:09,491 --> 02:18:11,058 He may not be wrong. 2586 02:18:11,091 --> 02:18:12,427 Stimson is now telling me 2587 02:18:12,460 --> 02:18:15,697 we bombed an enemy that was essentially defeated. 2588 02:18:15,730 --> 02:18:19,267 Robert, you've all the influence now. 2589 02:18:19,300 --> 02:18:21,001 Please. 2590 02:18:21,034 --> 02:18:23,138 Urge them to continue my research on the Super. 2591 02:18:23,171 --> 02:18:24,539 I neither can nor will, Edward. 2592 02:18:24,572 --> 02:18:26,674 Why not? 2593 02:18:26,708 --> 02:18:28,410 It's not the right use of our resources. 2594 02:18:28,443 --> 02:18:30,545 Is that what you really believe? 2595 02:18:30,578 --> 02:18:32,946 J. Robert Oppenheimer. 2596 02:18:32,980 --> 02:18:35,383 Sphinx-like guru of the atom. 2597 02:18:36,684 --> 02:18:38,453 Nobody knows what you believe. 2598 02:18:39,554 --> 02:18:41,423 Do you? Hmm? 2599 02:18:41,456 --> 02:18:44,159 One final time, our program director, 2600 02:18:44,192 --> 02:18:46,161 Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer. 2601 02:18:47,362 --> 02:18:49,130 I hope that in years to come 2602 02:18:49,164 --> 02:18:53,168 you will look back on your work here with pride. 2603 02:18:53,201 --> 02:18:55,570 But today, that pride must be tempered 2604 02:18:55,603 --> 02:18:57,938 with a profound concern. 2605 02:18:59,207 --> 02:19:01,008 If atomic weapons are to be added 2606 02:19:01,041 --> 02:19:03,445 to the arsenals of a warring world, 2607 02:19:03,478 --> 02:19:07,047 then the day will come when people will curse 2608 02:19:07,080 --> 02:19:08,483 the name of Los Alamos. 2609 02:19:12,487 --> 02:19:14,589 Uh, sorry, Admiral. 2610 02:19:14,622 --> 02:19:16,624 Stopped off to get this. 2611 02:19:16,658 --> 02:19:19,461 It seems pretty favorable. 2612 02:19:19,494 --> 02:19:20,595 There's Oppenheimer. 2613 02:19:20,628 --> 02:19:22,197 What's the caption? 2614 02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:25,065 Uh, "J. Robert Oppenheimer, Strauss fought..." 2615 02:19:26,634 --> 02:19:28,203 "...and the US won." 2616 02:19:29,036 --> 02:19:30,305 That'll work. 2617 02:19:30,338 --> 02:19:32,574 Those were your words from the other day. 2618 02:19:32,607 --> 02:19:34,007 We needed to pivot. 2619 02:19:34,041 --> 02:19:35,310 But how would you know 2620 02:19:35,343 --> 02:19:37,145 what Time magazine's gonna write? 2621 02:19:37,178 --> 02:19:39,414 Henry Luce is a friend. 2622 02:19:45,553 --> 02:19:49,056 You sat here and let me tell you how it's done, 2623 02:19:49,089 --> 02:19:51,759 but you've been far ahead all along. 2624 02:19:51,793 --> 02:19:54,762 Survival in Washington 2625 02:19:54,796 --> 02:19:57,131 is about knowing how to get things done. 2626 02:19:57,765 --> 02:19:59,167 Right. 2627 02:20:00,768 --> 02:20:02,504 What was it you said about Borden? 2628 02:20:02,537 --> 02:20:05,540 "Why get caught holding the knife yourself?" 2629 02:20:07,375 --> 02:20:10,378 I'm beginning to think Borden was holding the knife for you. 2630 02:20:12,447 --> 02:20:14,682 It's gonna come down to how much influence 2631 02:20:14,716 --> 02:20:16,784 Borden's been able to exert on Teller. 2632 02:20:16,818 --> 02:20:19,254 Did I say something funny? 2633 02:20:19,287 --> 02:20:20,655 Just "Borden, Borden, Borden" 2634 02:20:20,688 --> 02:20:24,459 when we all know that it's Strauss. 2635 02:20:24,492 --> 02:20:26,461 Lewis brought me to Princeton, Kitty. 2636 02:20:26,494 --> 02:20:29,197 And then you humiliated him in front of Congress. 2637 02:20:29,230 --> 02:20:32,065 But more useful than a sandwich. 2638 02:20:35,236 --> 02:20:36,404 -How'd I do? -I'll call recess, 2639 02:20:36,437 --> 02:20:37,539 ten minutes. 2640 02:20:37,572 --> 02:20:39,807 Maybe a little too well, Robert. 2641 02:20:39,841 --> 02:20:41,074 That was six years ago. 2642 02:20:41,109 --> 02:20:42,810 You know, the truly vindictive, 2643 02:20:42,844 --> 02:20:44,445 patient as saints. 2644 02:20:44,479 --> 02:20:47,282 Strauss has been perfectly clear that he is neutral. 2645 02:20:47,315 --> 02:20:50,818 Wake up. It is Strauss. 2646 02:20:50,852 --> 02:20:53,788 It's always been Strauss, and you know it. 2647 02:20:53,821 --> 02:20:55,456 Why won't you fight him? 2648 02:20:56,491 --> 02:20:57,692 Christ's sake. 2649 02:20:58,793 --> 02:21:01,462 It wasn't Nichols or Hoover 2650 02:21:01,496 --> 02:21:03,164 or one of Truman's guys. It was you. 2651 02:21:03,197 --> 02:21:05,166 You gave the file to Borden. 2652 02:21:05,199 --> 02:21:06,834 You set him on Oppenheimer. 2653 02:21:06,868 --> 02:21:09,304 -You convinced him to... -Borden... 2654 02:21:09,337 --> 02:21:11,239 didn't take any convincing. 2655 02:21:11,272 --> 02:21:13,374 Take your time, use the entire file. 2656 02:21:13,408 --> 02:21:16,311 Write up your conclusion, send them to the FBI. 2657 02:21:16,344 --> 02:21:18,580 The material is obviously extensive, 2658 02:21:18,613 --> 02:21:21,282 but there's nothing new here. 2659 02:21:21,316 --> 02:21:22,850 Your conclusions will be. 2660 02:21:22,884 --> 02:21:25,186 And they'll have to be answered. 2661 02:21:25,219 --> 02:21:26,688 Hoover passes them to McCarthy? 2662 02:21:26,721 --> 02:21:30,325 Oppenheimer's too slippery for that self-promoting clown. 2663 02:21:30,358 --> 02:21:33,227 I've talked it over with Hoover, he'll hold McCarthy at bay 2664 02:21:33,261 --> 02:21:34,862 while you do this with the AEC. 2665 02:21:34,896 --> 02:21:36,731 -A trial. -No. 2666 02:21:36,764 --> 02:21:40,535 No trial. You can't give Oppenheimer a platform. 2667 02:21:40,568 --> 02:21:42,337 You can't martyr him. 2668 02:21:42,370 --> 02:21:45,540 We need a systematic destruction of Oppenheimer's credibility 2669 02:21:45,573 --> 02:21:49,143 so he can never again speak on matters of national security. 2670 02:21:49,177 --> 02:21:51,245 Then what? 2671 02:21:52,447 --> 02:21:55,817 A shabby little room, far from the limelight. 2672 02:22:02,256 --> 02:22:03,524 A simple bureaucratic procedure. 2673 02:22:03,558 --> 02:22:06,194 His Q clearance is up for renewal. 2674 02:22:06,227 --> 02:22:09,197 You send your accusations to the FBI. 2675 02:22:10,832 --> 02:22:14,435 Hoover sends them to the AEC, you're forced to act. 2676 02:22:15,269 --> 02:22:16,571 You write up an indictment 2677 02:22:16,604 --> 02:22:18,239 and tell Oppenheimer 2678 02:22:18,272 --> 02:22:20,942 his security clearance is not being renewed. 2679 02:22:20,975 --> 02:22:22,510 But offer him the chance to appeal. 2680 02:22:22,543 --> 02:22:24,879 As you can see, Robert, it's not yet signed. 2681 02:22:24,912 --> 02:22:26,414 May I keep this? 2682 02:22:26,447 --> 02:22:27,382 No. 2683 02:22:27,415 --> 02:22:29,651 If you do decide to appeal, 2684 02:22:29,684 --> 02:22:31,219 they'll have to send you a copy. 2685 02:22:31,252 --> 02:22:34,489 When he appeals-- and trust me, he will-- 2686 02:22:34,522 --> 02:22:36,924 I appoint a board. 2687 02:22:36,958 --> 02:22:39,427 They will, of course, have counsel. 2688 02:22:39,460 --> 02:22:41,396 -Prosecutor? -In all but name. 2689 02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:43,598 -Who? -Roger Robb. 2690 02:22:43,631 --> 02:22:44,799 Ouch. 2691 02:22:44,832 --> 02:22:46,300 Robb will have security clearance 2692 02:22:46,334 --> 02:22:47,869 to examine Oppenheimer's file. 2693 02:22:47,902 --> 02:22:49,337 As will the Gray board. 2694 02:22:49,370 --> 02:22:50,738 Defense counsel will not. 2695 02:22:52,573 --> 02:22:53,975 A closed hearing. 2696 02:22:54,008 --> 02:22:55,243 The so-called derogatory information 2697 02:22:55,276 --> 02:22:57,445 in your indictment of me. 2698 02:22:57,478 --> 02:22:59,947 No audience. No reporters. 2699 02:22:59,981 --> 02:23:03,451 -No burden of proof. -No burden of proof? 2700 02:23:04,819 --> 02:23:06,320 We're not convicting. 2701 02:23:07,021 --> 02:23:09,624 We're just denying. 2702 02:23:14,595 --> 02:23:17,365 What is it you said? 2703 02:23:17,398 --> 02:23:20,735 "This is just how the game is played." 2704 02:23:20,768 --> 02:23:23,738 Well, forgive my naivete. 2705 02:23:23,771 --> 02:23:25,740 Amateurs seek the sun. 2706 02:23:26,708 --> 02:23:27,775 Get eaten. 2707 02:23:28,843 --> 02:23:31,679 Power stays in the shadows. 2708 02:23:31,713 --> 02:23:35,416 But, sir, you're... you're out of the shadows now. 2709 02:23:35,450 --> 02:23:36,884 Yeah, that's why this has to work. 2710 02:23:36,918 --> 02:23:38,386 Well... 2711 02:23:39,687 --> 02:23:41,823 Teller's testifying this morning. 2712 02:23:41,856 --> 02:23:44,258 That'll help. And then... 2713 02:23:44,292 --> 02:23:45,727 Hill is in the afternoon. 2714 02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:48,229 Hill is gonna help us too. 2715 02:23:50,465 --> 02:23:53,634 As you can see, Robert, it's not yet signed. 2716 02:23:53,668 --> 02:23:54,702 May I keep this? 2717 02:23:54,736 --> 02:23:55,770 No. 2718 02:23:57,872 --> 02:23:59,874 If you do decide to appeal, 2719 02:23:59,907 --> 02:24:02,744 then they'll have to send you a copy. 2720 02:24:06,314 --> 02:24:08,616 Take my car and driver. I insist. 2721 02:24:13,354 --> 02:24:15,289 I'll have to consult my lawyers, Lewis. 2722 02:24:15,323 --> 02:24:18,025 Of course. But don't take too long. 2723 02:24:18,059 --> 02:24:20,261 I can't keep Nichols at bay. 2724 02:24:26,400 --> 02:24:28,703 I'm sorry it's come to this, Robert. 2725 02:24:28,736 --> 02:24:29,771 I think it's wrong. 2726 02:24:43,084 --> 02:24:44,519 Nichols wants me to fight 2727 02:24:44,552 --> 02:24:46,554 so he can get it all on the record. 2728 02:24:46,587 --> 02:24:48,456 Strauss wants me to walk away. 2729 02:24:48,489 --> 02:24:51,325 Strauss knows that you can't do that, 2730 02:24:51,359 --> 02:24:53,795 you'd be accepting the charges. 2731 02:24:53,828 --> 02:24:55,496 You'll lose your job. 2732 02:24:55,530 --> 02:24:57,799 You will lose your reputation. We'll lose our house. 2733 02:24:57,832 --> 02:25:00,535 Robert, we have to fight. 2734 02:25:03,104 --> 02:25:05,406 As AEC Counsel, I can't represent you. 2735 02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:06,974 I'll call Lloyd Garrison. 2736 02:25:07,008 --> 02:25:08,543 Oh, he's good. 2737 02:25:08,576 --> 02:25:12,313 The best, but I have to warn you... 2738 02:25:12,980 --> 02:25:15,416 ...this won't be a fair fight. 2739 02:25:15,449 --> 02:25:17,451 During your interview 2740 02:25:17,485 --> 02:25:19,954 with Boris Pash in 1943, did you refer to microfilm? 2741 02:25:19,987 --> 02:25:21,489 -No. -Tab 11, 2742 02:25:21,522 --> 02:25:22,957 page one, paragraph three. You never said, 2743 02:25:22,990 --> 02:25:26,627 "Man at the consulate expert in the use of microfilm"? 2744 02:25:26,661 --> 02:25:27,995 -I'm sorry, I'm sorry. -No. 2745 02:25:28,029 --> 02:25:28,963 I would like to know what document 2746 02:25:28,996 --> 02:25:30,431 Mr. Robb is quoting from 2747 02:25:30,464 --> 02:25:31,732 and if we might be furnished with a copy. 2748 02:25:31,766 --> 02:25:33,835 The document is classified, Mr. Garrison. 2749 02:25:33,868 --> 02:25:35,703 I think we should get back to first-hand information. 2750 02:25:35,736 --> 02:25:37,104 This is first-hand. 2751 02:25:37,139 --> 02:25:39,407 How so, Roger? 2752 02:25:40,775 --> 02:25:42,610 There was a recording of the interview. 2753 02:25:46,581 --> 02:25:48,482 You let my client sit here 2754 02:25:48,516 --> 02:25:50,017 and potentially perjure himself, 2755 02:25:50,051 --> 02:25:52,587 and all this time, you had a recording? 2756 02:25:52,620 --> 02:25:53,988 Nobody told your client 2757 02:25:54,021 --> 02:25:55,423 to misrepresent his former answers. 2758 02:25:55,456 --> 02:25:57,525 Misrepre... It-it was 12 years ago. 2759 02:25:57,558 --> 02:25:58,860 Can we hear this recording? 2760 02:25:58,893 --> 02:26:00,461 You don't have the clearance, Mr. Garrison. 2761 02:26:00,494 --> 02:26:02,130 But you're reading it into the record. 2762 02:26:02,164 --> 02:26:03,798 Please, please. 2763 02:26:03,831 --> 02:26:07,435 Is this proceeding interested in entrapment or in truth? 2764 02:26:07,468 --> 02:26:09,904 If it's truth, where's the disclosure? 2765 02:26:09,937 --> 02:26:11,572 Where's the witness list? 2766 02:26:11,606 --> 02:26:14,142 Mr. Garrison, this isn't a trial, as you are well aware. 2767 02:26:14,176 --> 02:26:16,043 Evidentiary rules do not apply. 2768 02:26:16,077 --> 02:26:17,945 We are dealing with national security. 2769 02:26:17,979 --> 02:26:19,480 Yes, sir, with all due respect, 2770 02:26:19,513 --> 02:26:21,883 I fail to see how national security 2771 02:26:21,916 --> 02:26:23,618 prevents the prosecution from providing us 2772 02:26:23,651 --> 02:26:25,653 -with a list of witnesses. -Perhaps we are in need 2773 02:26:25,686 --> 02:26:26,988 -of a brief recess. -Gentlemen, 2774 02:26:27,021 --> 02:26:28,756 you have my words. 2775 02:26:28,789 --> 02:26:30,925 If you say they're from a transcript, then I'll accept it. 2776 02:26:30,958 --> 02:26:33,728 I've already explained I made up a cock-and-bull story. 2777 02:26:33,761 --> 02:26:37,098 But why would anyone make up such an elaborate story? 2778 02:26:37,132 --> 02:26:39,201 Because I was an idiot. 2779 02:26:39,234 --> 02:26:40,835 Why lie? 2780 02:26:40,868 --> 02:26:43,471 Well, clearly with the intention of not revealing 2781 02:26:43,504 --> 02:26:45,573 who the intermediary was. 2782 02:26:45,606 --> 02:26:47,642 Your friend, Haakon Chevalier, the Communist. 2783 02:26:47,675 --> 02:26:49,944 Is he still your friend? 2784 02:26:49,977 --> 02:26:51,412 Yes. 2785 02:26:53,514 --> 02:26:56,450 Dr. Rabi, thank you for coming. 2786 02:26:56,484 --> 02:26:58,186 Do you know who else the prosecution has called? 2787 02:26:58,220 --> 02:27:00,554 Teller, obviously. 2788 02:27:01,522 --> 02:27:02,790 They've asked Lawrence. 2789 02:27:02,823 --> 02:27:03,658 What did he say? 2790 02:27:03,691 --> 02:27:06,594 He wasn't going to help them, but... 2791 02:27:06,627 --> 02:27:07,561 But? 2792 02:27:07,595 --> 02:27:09,597 Strauss told him that you and Ruth Tolman 2793 02:27:09,630 --> 02:27:12,066 have been having an affair for years. 2794 02:27:12,099 --> 02:27:13,201 The whole time you lived 2795 02:27:13,235 --> 02:27:14,869 with them in Pasadena. 2796 02:27:14,902 --> 02:27:16,570 He convinced Lawrence 2797 02:27:16,604 --> 02:27:18,173 that Richard died of a broken heart. 2798 02:27:18,206 --> 02:27:19,507 That's absurd. 2799 02:27:19,540 --> 02:27:22,076 -What part? -The broken heart. 2800 02:27:22,110 --> 02:27:24,146 Richard never found out. 2801 02:27:24,179 --> 02:27:25,947 Is Lawrence gonna testify? 2802 02:27:25,980 --> 02:27:27,481 I don't know. 2803 02:27:28,015 --> 02:27:29,650 Dr. Rabi, 2804 02:27:29,684 --> 02:27:32,753 what governmental positions do you currently hold? 2805 02:27:32,787 --> 02:27:35,690 I am the chairman of the General Advisory Committee 2806 02:27:35,723 --> 02:27:38,626 to the AEC, succeeding Dr. Oppenheimer. 2807 02:27:38,659 --> 02:27:41,495 And how long have you known Dr. Oppenheimer? 2808 02:27:41,529 --> 02:27:43,131 Since 1928. 2809 02:27:43,165 --> 02:27:45,233 I... I know him quite well. 2810 02:27:45,267 --> 02:27:47,235 Well enough to speak to the bearing 2811 02:27:47,269 --> 02:27:49,837 of his loyalty and character? 2812 02:27:49,870 --> 02:27:53,874 Dr. Oppenheimer is a man of upstanding character. 2813 02:27:53,908 --> 02:27:56,577 And he is loyal to the United States, 2814 02:27:56,610 --> 02:27:57,845 to his friends, 2815 02:27:57,878 --> 02:28:00,548 to the institutions of which he is part. 2816 02:28:02,016 --> 02:28:03,050 Eat. 2817 02:28:22,036 --> 02:28:23,738 What was that? 2818 02:28:23,771 --> 02:28:25,806 Nothing to worry about. 2819 02:28:28,042 --> 02:28:29,777 After the Russian A-bomb test, 2820 02:28:29,810 --> 02:28:32,280 did Dr. Lawrence come to see you about the hydrogen bomb? 2821 02:28:32,314 --> 02:28:34,116 You'd be better off asking him. 2822 02:28:34,149 --> 02:28:35,683 Well, I fully intend to. 2823 02:28:35,716 --> 02:28:38,286 Would you say that Dr. Oppenheimer was 2824 02:28:38,320 --> 02:28:40,322 unalterably opposed to the H-bomb? 2825 02:28:40,355 --> 02:28:43,158 No, he-he thought that a fusion program 2826 02:28:43,191 --> 02:28:46,294 would come at the expense of our awfully good fission program. 2827 02:28:46,328 --> 02:28:48,163 But that proved not to be the case. 2828 02:28:48,196 --> 02:28:50,831 In the event both could be done. 2829 02:28:50,865 --> 02:28:53,168 Suppose that this board did not feel satisfied 2830 02:28:53,201 --> 02:28:54,336 that in his testimony here, 2831 02:28:54,369 --> 02:28:56,637 Dr. Oppenheimer had been wholly truthful. 2832 02:28:56,670 --> 02:28:59,874 What would you say whether or not he should be cleared? 2833 02:28:59,907 --> 02:29:01,809 Why go through all this against a man 2834 02:29:01,842 --> 02:29:04,045 who has accomplished what Dr. Oppenheimer has? 2835 02:29:04,078 --> 02:29:05,713 Look at his record. 2836 02:29:05,746 --> 02:29:07,815 We have an A-bomb and a whole series of it. 2837 02:29:07,848 --> 02:29:09,784 We have a whole series of Super bombs. 2838 02:29:09,817 --> 02:29:11,786 What more do you want? 2839 02:29:11,819 --> 02:29:12,686 Mermaids? 2840 02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:15,022 But I've known Secretary Strauss 2841 02:29:15,056 --> 02:29:16,657 for many years, 2842 02:29:16,690 --> 02:29:19,960 and I feel it a necessity to express the warm support 2843 02:29:19,994 --> 02:29:22,663 for science and scientists Lewis has shown. 2844 02:29:22,696 --> 02:29:23,931 We'll break now, 2845 02:29:23,964 --> 02:29:25,766 unless there's any immediate business. 2846 02:29:25,800 --> 02:29:28,336 Senator, I'd like to once again request 2847 02:29:28,370 --> 02:29:31,038 that we're furnished with a list of witnesses. 2848 02:29:31,072 --> 02:29:33,841 And I will remind the nominee that we don't always 2849 02:29:33,874 --> 02:29:35,876 have that information in advance. 2850 02:29:35,910 --> 02:29:39,347 We do know that Dr. Hill will be here after lunch. 2851 02:29:39,381 --> 02:29:41,015 Mr. Chairman, our next scheduled witness, 2852 02:29:41,048 --> 02:29:45,586 Dr. Lawrence, has apparently come down with colitis. 2853 02:29:47,054 --> 02:29:49,957 So we'll proceed with William Borden instead. 2854 02:29:51,226 --> 02:29:52,626 Mr. Borden, welcome. 2855 02:29:52,660 --> 02:29:54,129 Please take a seat. 2856 02:29:55,297 --> 02:29:57,698 Mr. Borden, 2857 02:29:57,731 --> 02:30:00,302 during your investigation into Dr. Oppenheimer, 2858 02:30:00,335 --> 02:30:01,969 did you reach certain conclusions? 2859 02:30:02,002 --> 02:30:04,306 -I did. -And did there come a time 2860 02:30:04,339 --> 02:30:05,806 when you expressed those conclusions 2861 02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:07,842 in a letter to Mr. J. Edgar Hoover 2862 02:30:07,875 --> 02:30:09,810 of the Federal Bureau of Investigation? 2863 02:30:09,844 --> 02:30:11,246 -That is correct. -Prior to the writing 2864 02:30:11,279 --> 02:30:13,047 of the letter, did you discuss the writing of the letter 2865 02:30:13,080 --> 02:30:15,383 with anybody attached to the Atomic Energy Commission? 2866 02:30:15,417 --> 02:30:17,017 I did not. 2867 02:30:17,051 --> 02:30:18,386 Thanks, and do you have a copy of the letter? 2868 02:30:18,420 --> 02:30:20,020 I have one in front of me. 2869 02:30:20,054 --> 02:30:22,157 Would you please be so kind as to read it, sir? 2870 02:30:22,190 --> 02:30:23,724 "Dear Mr. Hoover, 2871 02:30:23,757 --> 02:30:25,193 the purpose of this letter is to state..." 2872 02:30:25,227 --> 02:30:27,262 Uh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, if I could have a... 2873 02:30:27,295 --> 02:30:29,663 What is the purpose of the delay? 2874 02:30:29,697 --> 02:30:31,166 He's simply gonna read the letter. 2875 02:30:31,199 --> 02:30:32,733 Mr. Chairman, 2876 02:30:32,766 --> 02:30:34,768 this is the first I've seen of this letter, 2877 02:30:34,802 --> 02:30:36,070 and I see statements here, uh, 2878 02:30:36,103 --> 02:30:38,072 at least one, of a kind that I don't think 2879 02:30:38,105 --> 02:30:40,074 anyone would like to see go into the record. 2880 02:30:40,107 --> 02:30:42,877 These are accusations that have not previously been made. 2881 02:30:42,910 --> 02:30:44,845 That are not part of the indictment from Nichols. 2882 02:30:44,879 --> 02:30:47,014 Accusations of a kind that I don't think belong here. 2883 02:30:47,047 --> 02:30:49,217 The witness wrote this letter on his own initiative, 2884 02:30:49,251 --> 02:30:51,819 laying out evidence that has already been before the board. 2885 02:30:51,852 --> 02:30:53,455 His conclusions are valid testimony, 2886 02:30:53,488 --> 02:30:55,390 just like the... the positive conclusions 2887 02:30:55,423 --> 02:30:56,757 of friends of Dr. Oppenheimer. 2888 02:30:56,790 --> 02:30:58,293 It cuts both ways. 2889 02:30:58,326 --> 02:31:00,761 How long has Counsel been in possession of this letter? 2890 02:31:00,794 --> 02:31:02,164 I don't think I should be subject 2891 02:31:02,197 --> 02:31:04,765 to cross-examination by you, Mr. Garrison. 2892 02:31:04,798 --> 02:31:06,434 Mr. Garrison, given that we on the board 2893 02:31:06,468 --> 02:31:07,968 have all read the letter, 2894 02:31:08,002 --> 02:31:10,338 wouldn't it be better to have it in the record? 2895 02:31:10,372 --> 02:31:11,839 Let's proceed. 2896 02:31:13,841 --> 02:31:15,310 "Dear Mr. Hoover, 2897 02:31:15,343 --> 02:31:18,779 "the purpose of this letter is to state my opinion 2898 02:31:18,812 --> 02:31:20,115 "based upon years of study 2899 02:31:20,148 --> 02:31:22,917 "of the available classified evidence, 2900 02:31:22,950 --> 02:31:24,985 "that more probably than not, 2901 02:31:25,019 --> 02:31:29,890 "J. Robert Oppenheimer is an agent of the Soviet Union. 2902 02:31:29,924 --> 02:31:32,260 "The following conclusions are justified. 2903 02:31:32,294 --> 02:31:37,132 "One, between 1929 and 1942, more probably than not, 2904 02:31:37,165 --> 02:31:38,466 "J. Robert Oppenheimer 2905 02:31:38,500 --> 02:31:40,801 "was a sufficiently hardened Communist, 2906 02:31:40,834 --> 02:31:42,937 "that he volunteered information to the Soviets. 2907 02:31:42,970 --> 02:31:45,307 "Two, more probably than not, 2908 02:31:45,340 --> 02:31:49,910 "he has since been functioning as an espionage agent. 2909 02:31:49,944 --> 02:31:52,780 "Three, more probably than not, 2910 02:31:52,813 --> 02:31:55,049 "he has since acted under a Soviet directive 2911 02:31:55,082 --> 02:31:57,818 in influencing United States military policy..." 2912 02:31:57,851 --> 02:31:59,086 I'm sorry, Robert. 2913 02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:00,455 "...atomic energy, intelligence 2914 02:32:00,488 --> 02:32:01,855 -and diplomatic policy." -Is anyone 2915 02:32:01,889 --> 02:32:03,525 ever going to tell the truth 2916 02:32:03,558 --> 02:32:05,327 about what's happening here? 2917 02:32:05,360 --> 02:32:08,896 We will now hear from Dr. David Hill. 2918 02:32:18,139 --> 02:32:19,474 Dr. Hill, 2919 02:32:19,507 --> 02:32:22,143 would you care to make a statement? 2920 02:32:23,278 --> 02:32:24,845 Thank you. 2921 02:32:24,878 --> 02:32:28,550 I've been asked to testify about Lewis Strauss. 2922 02:32:28,583 --> 02:32:30,985 A man who has given years of service 2923 02:32:31,018 --> 02:32:33,988 in high positions of government 2924 02:32:34,021 --> 02:32:38,959 and who is known to be earnest, hardworking and intelligent. 2925 02:32:39,960 --> 02:32:41,463 The views I have to express are my own, 2926 02:32:41,496 --> 02:32:45,200 but I believe that much I have to say will help to indicate 2927 02:32:45,233 --> 02:32:48,936 why most of the scientists in this country 2928 02:32:48,969 --> 02:32:51,972 would prefer to see Mr. Strauss 2929 02:32:52,006 --> 02:32:53,841 completely out of government. 2930 02:32:55,876 --> 02:32:58,380 You're... You're referring to the hostility 2931 02:32:58,413 --> 02:32:59,880 of certain scientists 2932 02:32:59,913 --> 02:33:01,549 directed toward Mr. Strauss 2933 02:33:01,583 --> 02:33:03,817 because of his commitment to security 2934 02:33:03,851 --> 02:33:06,854 as demonstrated in the Oppenheimer affair? 2935 02:33:09,324 --> 02:33:10,592 No. 2936 02:33:10,625 --> 02:33:13,027 Because of the personal vindictiveness 2937 02:33:13,060 --> 02:33:15,297 he demonstrated against Dr. Oppenheimer. 2938 02:33:16,964 --> 02:33:19,099 Order. 2939 02:33:19,134 --> 02:33:20,168 Order! 2940 02:33:20,201 --> 02:33:25,473 It appears to most scientists around this country 2941 02:33:25,507 --> 02:33:27,041 that Robert Oppenheimer is now being 2942 02:33:27,074 --> 02:33:29,311 pilloried and put through an ordeal 2943 02:33:29,344 --> 02:33:32,447 because he expressed his honest opinions. 2944 02:33:33,448 --> 02:33:35,517 Dr. Bush, I thought I was performing a service 2945 02:33:35,550 --> 02:33:37,285 to my country when hearing this case. 2946 02:33:37,319 --> 02:33:41,456 No board in this country should sit in judgment of a man 2947 02:33:41,489 --> 02:33:44,125 because he expressed strong opinions. 2948 02:33:44,159 --> 02:33:47,228 If you want to try that case, you should try me. 2949 02:33:47,262 --> 02:33:51,266 Excuse me, gentlemen, if I become stirred, 2950 02:33:51,299 --> 02:33:52,500 but I am. 2951 02:33:52,534 --> 02:33:54,502 Dr. Hill, we've already heard 2952 02:33:54,536 --> 02:33:56,970 that Mr. Strauss did not bring the charges 2953 02:33:57,004 --> 02:34:00,074 or participate in the hearings against Dr. Oppenheimer. 2954 02:34:00,107 --> 02:34:02,610 The Oppenheimer matter was 2955 02:34:02,644 --> 02:34:05,012 initiated and carried through 2956 02:34:05,045 --> 02:34:07,415 largely through the animus of Lewis Strauss. 2957 02:34:09,016 --> 02:34:11,653 Oppenheimer made mincemeat out of Strauss's position 2958 02:34:11,686 --> 02:34:13,288 on the shipment of isotopes to Norway, 2959 02:34:13,321 --> 02:34:17,325 and Strauss never forgave him this public humiliation. 2960 02:34:17,359 --> 02:34:19,960 Another controversy between them centered around 2961 02:34:19,993 --> 02:34:22,963 their differences in judgment on how the H-bomb 2962 02:34:22,996 --> 02:34:25,065 would contribute to national security. 2963 02:34:25,099 --> 02:34:27,067 Strauss turned to the personnel security system 2964 02:34:27,101 --> 02:34:31,339 in order to destroy Oppenheimer's effectiveness, 2965 02:34:31,373 --> 02:34:33,907 and Strauss was able to find a few ambitious men 2966 02:34:33,941 --> 02:34:36,977 who also disagreed with Oppenheimer's positions 2967 02:34:37,010 --> 02:34:40,047 and envied him his prestige in government circles. 2968 02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:42,684 I've always assumed, and still assume, 2969 02:34:42,717 --> 02:34:44,952 that he's loyal to the United States. 2970 02:34:44,985 --> 02:34:46,388 I believe this. And I shall believe it 2971 02:34:46,421 --> 02:34:48,989 until I see very conclusive proof to the opposite. 2972 02:34:49,022 --> 02:34:50,991 Do you or do you not believe 2973 02:34:51,024 --> 02:34:53,328 that Dr. Oppenheimer is a security risk? 2974 02:34:57,064 --> 02:34:58,333 In a great number of cases, 2975 02:34:58,366 --> 02:35:00,335 I have seen Dr. Oppenheimer act in a way 2976 02:35:00,368 --> 02:35:04,239 which was to me exceedingly hard to understand. 2977 02:35:04,272 --> 02:35:06,274 I thoroughly disagreed with him in numerous issues, 2978 02:35:06,307 --> 02:35:08,410 and his actions frankly appeared to me 2979 02:35:08,443 --> 02:35:09,977 confused and complicated. 2980 02:35:10,010 --> 02:35:11,546 To this extent, I feel, 2981 02:35:11,579 --> 02:35:14,682 I want to see the vital interest of this country 2982 02:35:14,716 --> 02:35:16,551 in hands which I understand better 2983 02:35:16,584 --> 02:35:18,720 and therefore trust more. 2984 02:35:18,753 --> 02:35:21,523 -Thank you, Doctor. -Thank you. 2985 02:35:25,326 --> 02:35:26,428 I'm sorry. 2986 02:35:29,062 --> 02:35:31,232 You shook his fucking hand? 2987 02:35:31,266 --> 02:35:34,169 Oh, I would have spit in his face. 2988 02:35:34,202 --> 02:35:35,737 Not sure the board would have appreciated that. 2989 02:35:35,770 --> 02:35:37,338 Is it not gentlemanly enough for you? 2990 02:35:37,372 --> 02:35:40,708 Well, I-I think you're all being too goddamn gentlemanly. 2991 02:35:40,742 --> 02:35:42,710 Gray must see what Robb is doing. 2992 02:35:42,744 --> 02:35:44,679 Why doesn't he just shut him down? 2993 02:35:44,712 --> 02:35:47,315 And you shaking Teller's hand. 2994 02:35:47,348 --> 02:35:50,218 You need to stop playing the martyr. 2995 02:35:51,219 --> 02:35:53,621 Under the current AEC guidelines, 2996 02:35:53,655 --> 02:35:56,056 would you clear Dr. Oppenheimer today? 2997 02:36:02,230 --> 02:36:04,599 Under my interpretation 2998 02:36:04,632 --> 02:36:06,768 of the Atomic Energy Act, 2999 02:36:06,801 --> 02:36:08,636 which did not exist 3000 02:36:08,670 --> 02:36:11,506 when I hired Dr. Oppenheimer in 1942... 3001 02:36:12,740 --> 02:36:16,144 I would not clear him today, 3002 02:36:16,177 --> 02:36:18,146 uh, if I were on the commission. 3003 02:36:18,179 --> 02:36:19,747 Good. Thank you, General. That is all. 3004 02:36:19,781 --> 02:36:21,783 But I don't think I'd clear any of those guys. 3005 02:36:21,816 --> 02:36:23,984 That's all. 3006 02:36:26,488 --> 02:36:28,623 Dr. Oppenheimer had no responsibility 3007 02:36:28,656 --> 02:36:30,158 in the selection or the clearance 3008 02:36:30,191 --> 02:36:31,493 of Klaus Fuchs, did he? 3009 02:36:31,526 --> 02:36:32,794 No. None at all. 3010 02:36:32,827 --> 02:36:34,429 And you wouldn't want to leave this board 3011 02:36:34,462 --> 02:36:37,232 with any suggestion today that you're here questioning 3012 02:36:37,265 --> 02:36:39,300 his basic loyalty to the United States 3013 02:36:39,334 --> 02:36:40,735 in the operation of Los Alamos? 3014 02:36:40,768 --> 02:36:42,337 By no means. 3015 02:36:42,370 --> 02:36:44,372 I hope I didn't lead anyone to believe otherwise 3016 02:36:44,405 --> 02:36:46,039 for an instant. 3017 02:36:46,073 --> 02:36:47,175 Thank you, General. 3018 02:37:05,226 --> 02:37:07,495 Okay. We shouldn't keep them waiting. 3019 02:37:07,529 --> 02:37:08,796 She'll be here. 3020 02:37:08,830 --> 02:37:10,265 Do you even want her here? 3021 02:37:10,298 --> 02:37:12,800 Only a fool or an adolescent 3022 02:37:12,834 --> 02:37:14,736 presumes to know someone else's relationship, 3023 02:37:14,769 --> 02:37:17,070 and you're neither, Lloyd. 3024 02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:20,608 Kitty and I, 3025 02:37:20,642 --> 02:37:22,710 we're grown-ups. 3026 02:37:22,744 --> 02:37:25,580 We've walked through fire together. 3027 02:37:25,613 --> 02:37:28,182 She'll do fine. 3028 02:37:28,216 --> 02:37:30,285 Would you describe your views on Communism 3029 02:37:30,318 --> 02:37:32,353 as pro, anti, neutral? 3030 02:37:32,387 --> 02:37:34,255 Very strongly against. 3031 02:37:34,289 --> 02:37:36,424 I-I've had nothing to do with Communism in... since... 3032 02:37:36,457 --> 02:37:39,294 since 1936, since... 3033 02:37:39,327 --> 02:37:42,196 since before I met Robert. 3034 02:37:42,797 --> 02:37:44,632 That's all. 3035 02:37:44,666 --> 02:37:46,234 The record demonstrates 3036 02:37:46,267 --> 02:37:47,869 that Oppenheimer was not interrogated 3037 02:37:47,902 --> 02:37:51,139 by impartial and disinterested counsel for the Gray board. 3038 02:37:51,172 --> 02:37:52,574 He was interrogated by a prosecutor 3039 02:37:52,607 --> 02:37:54,275 who used all the tricks 3040 02:37:54,309 --> 02:37:56,110 of a rather ingenious legal background. 3041 02:37:56,144 --> 02:37:57,579 You are charging now 3042 02:37:57,612 --> 02:38:00,582 that the Gray board permitted a prosecution. 3043 02:38:00,615 --> 02:38:03,318 If I were on the Gray board, 3044 02:38:03,351 --> 02:38:05,320 I would have protested against the tactics 3045 02:38:05,353 --> 02:38:08,256 of the man who served, in fact, as the prosecuting counsel. 3046 02:38:08,289 --> 02:38:11,492 A man appointed not by the board 3047 02:38:11,526 --> 02:38:13,595 but by Lewis Strauss. 3048 02:38:15,597 --> 02:38:16,631 Who was this? 3049 02:38:17,932 --> 02:38:19,767 I'm sorry? 3050 02:38:19,801 --> 02:38:20,868 Who was this? 3051 02:38:20,902 --> 02:38:22,337 Uh, Roger Robb. 3052 02:38:22,370 --> 02:38:24,706 Mrs. Oppenheimer. 3053 02:38:28,910 --> 02:38:31,346 Did you have a Communist Party membership card? 3054 02:38:32,780 --> 02:38:34,882 I'm... I'm not sure. 3055 02:38:34,916 --> 02:38:36,417 Not sure? 3056 02:38:39,387 --> 02:38:40,388 Well... 3057 02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:44,525 Well? 3058 02:38:53,468 --> 02:38:56,437 I mean, presumably, the act of joining the Party 3059 02:38:56,471 --> 02:39:00,241 required sending some money and receiving a card, no? 3060 02:39:03,411 --> 02:39:04,545 Yeah. 3061 02:39:09,917 --> 02:39:11,319 Sorry. 3062 02:39:11,953 --> 02:39:13,554 Yes. Mm. 3063 02:39:15,390 --> 02:39:17,392 It's just it was all so very long ago, 3064 02:39:17,425 --> 02:39:19,260 -Mr. Robb, wasn't it? -Not really. 3065 02:39:19,293 --> 02:39:20,528 Long enough to have forgotten. 3066 02:39:20,561 --> 02:39:21,929 Did you return the card or rip it up? 3067 02:39:21,963 --> 02:39:23,564 The card whose existence I've forgotten? 3068 02:39:23,598 --> 02:39:25,400 Your Communist Party membership card. 3069 02:39:25,433 --> 02:39:27,168 Haven't the slightest idea. 3070 02:39:29,470 --> 02:39:32,240 Can a distinction be made between 3071 02:39:32,273 --> 02:39:33,941 Soviet Communism and Communism? 3072 02:39:33,975 --> 02:39:35,543 Well, in the days when I was a member, 3073 02:39:35,576 --> 02:39:37,211 I thought they were definitely two things. 3074 02:39:37,245 --> 02:39:38,513 -Oh? -I thought that 3075 02:39:38,546 --> 02:39:40,415 the Communist Party of the United States 3076 02:39:40,448 --> 02:39:42,850 was concerned with our domestic problems. 3077 02:39:42,884 --> 02:39:44,352 I now no longer believe this. 3078 02:39:44,385 --> 02:39:45,420 Believe the whole thing's linked together 3079 02:39:45,453 --> 02:39:46,721 and spread all over the world, 3080 02:39:46,754 --> 02:39:48,956 and I have believed this since I left the Party 3081 02:39:48,990 --> 02:39:50,458 16 years ago. 3082 02:39:50,491 --> 02:39:51,793 -But... -Seventeen years ago. 3083 02:39:51,826 --> 02:39:53,227 My mistake. 3084 02:39:53,261 --> 02:39:55,897 -But you said... -Sorry, 18. 3085 02:39:55,930 --> 02:39:58,199 Eighteen years ago. 3086 02:39:59,000 --> 02:40:00,301 Are you familiar with the fact 3087 02:40:00,334 --> 02:40:01,502 your husband was making contributions 3088 02:40:01,536 --> 02:40:04,605 to the Spanish Civil War as late as 1942? 3089 02:40:04,639 --> 02:40:06,507 I knew that Robert gave money from time to time. 3090 02:40:06,541 --> 02:40:07,775 Did you know this money was going 3091 02:40:07,809 --> 02:40:09,243 into Communist Party channels? 3092 02:40:09,277 --> 02:40:10,712 Don't you mean "through"? 3093 02:40:10,745 --> 02:40:12,513 -Pardon? -I think you mean 3094 02:40:12,547 --> 02:40:14,348 "through Communist Party channels," don't you? 3095 02:40:14,382 --> 02:40:15,616 -Y-Yes! -Yes? 3096 02:40:15,650 --> 02:40:17,552 -Yes! -Yes. 3097 02:40:17,585 --> 02:40:21,289 Then would it be fair to say that this meant that by 1942, 3098 02:40:21,322 --> 02:40:22,623 your husband had not stopped 3099 02:40:22,657 --> 02:40:24,592 having anything to do with the Communist Party? 3100 02:40:24,625 --> 02:40:26,427 You don't have to answer that yes or no. 3101 02:40:26,461 --> 02:40:27,829 You can answer that any way you wish. 3102 02:40:27,862 --> 02:40:29,731 I know that, thank you. 3103 02:40:29,764 --> 02:40:31,466 It's your question. 3104 02:40:31,499 --> 02:40:33,401 -It's not properly phrased. -Do you understand 3105 02:40:33,434 --> 02:40:34,669 -what I'm getting at? -I do. 3106 02:40:34,702 --> 02:40:35,970 Then why don't you answer it that way? 3107 02:40:36,003 --> 02:40:37,605 'Cause I don't like your phrase. 3108 02:40:37,638 --> 02:40:39,574 "Having anything to do with the Communist Party." 3109 02:40:39,607 --> 02:40:41,409 Because Robert never had anything to do 3110 02:40:41,442 --> 02:40:42,744 with the Communist Party as such. 3111 02:40:42,777 --> 02:40:45,413 I know he gave money to Spanish refugees. 3112 02:40:45,446 --> 02:40:47,381 I know he took an intellectual interest 3113 02:40:47,415 --> 02:40:48,616 in Communist ideas... 3114 02:40:48,649 --> 02:40:49,751 Are there two types of Communists? 3115 02:40:49,784 --> 02:40:51,486 Intellectual Communists 3116 02:40:51,519 --> 02:40:53,454 and your plain old regular Commie? 3117 02:40:54,455 --> 02:40:56,023 Well, I couldn't answer that one. 3118 02:40:56,057 --> 02:40:58,826 I couldn't either. 3119 02:41:04,966 --> 02:41:06,768 Evening. 3120 02:41:06,801 --> 02:41:08,536 Robert, you can't win this thing. 3121 02:41:08,569 --> 02:41:10,505 It's a kangaroo court with a predetermined outcome. 3122 02:41:10,538 --> 02:41:12,473 Why put yourself through more of it? 3123 02:41:13,074 --> 02:41:15,510 I have my reasons. 3124 02:41:16,111 --> 02:41:17,545 All right. 3125 02:41:17,578 --> 02:41:18,713 Good night. 3126 02:41:23,417 --> 02:41:24,819 He has a point. 3127 02:41:25,753 --> 02:41:27,789 I'm not sure you understand, Albert. 3128 02:41:27,822 --> 02:41:28,923 No? 3129 02:41:28,956 --> 02:41:32,460 I left my country never to return. 3130 02:41:33,094 --> 02:41:35,062 You served your country well. 3131 02:41:35,096 --> 02:41:38,733 If this is the reward she offers you, then... 3132 02:41:38,766 --> 02:41:42,403 perhaps you should turn your back on her. 3133 02:41:42,436 --> 02:41:45,072 Damn it, I happen to love this country. 3134 02:41:45,106 --> 02:41:47,708 Then tell them to go to hell. 3135 02:41:47,742 --> 02:41:48,643 Interestingly enough, 3136 02:41:48,676 --> 02:41:51,746 this is no longer a confirmation hearing, 3137 02:41:51,779 --> 02:41:53,948 it's now a trial... 3138 02:41:53,981 --> 02:41:55,716 about a trial! 3139 02:41:56,717 --> 02:41:58,019 It's not good he's telling everyone 3140 02:41:58,052 --> 02:41:59,353 you initiated the hearings. 3141 02:41:59,387 --> 02:42:01,756 He can't prove a goddamn thing. 3142 02:42:01,789 --> 02:42:04,458 He certainly can't prove that I gave the file to Borden. 3143 02:42:04,492 --> 02:42:06,828 We're not in court, sir. 3144 02:42:06,861 --> 02:42:08,062 There's no burden of proof. 3145 02:42:08,095 --> 02:42:10,464 Right. They're not convicting... 3146 02:42:10,498 --> 02:42:11,766 just denying. 3147 02:42:11,799 --> 02:42:14,702 Why would Hill come here to tear me down? 3148 02:42:14,735 --> 02:42:16,370 What's his angle? 3149 02:42:16,404 --> 02:42:18,506 Do people need a reason to do the right thing? 3150 02:42:18,539 --> 02:42:20,142 -As he sees it. -I told you, 3151 02:42:20,175 --> 02:42:22,844 Oppenheimer poisoned the scientists against me, 3152 02:42:22,877 --> 02:42:24,579 right from that first meeting. 3153 02:42:24,612 --> 02:42:27,849 I don't know what Oppenheimer said to him that day, 3154 02:42:27,882 --> 02:42:30,618 but Einstein wouldn't even meet my eye. 3155 02:42:31,719 --> 02:42:34,822 Oppenheimer knows how to manipulate his own. 3156 02:42:34,856 --> 02:42:36,124 And at Los Alamos, 3157 02:42:36,158 --> 02:42:38,492 he preyed on the naivete of scientists 3158 02:42:38,526 --> 02:42:40,828 who thought they'd get a say in how we used their work, 3159 02:42:40,862 --> 02:42:43,865 but don't ever think he was that naive himself. 3160 02:42:43,898 --> 02:42:45,167 Doctor. 3161 02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:47,169 During your work on the hydrogen bomb, 3162 02:42:47,202 --> 02:42:50,872 were you deterred by any moral qualms? 3163 02:42:50,905 --> 02:42:52,540 Yes, of course. 3164 02:42:52,573 --> 02:42:53,875 But you still got on with your work, didn't you? 3165 02:42:53,908 --> 02:42:56,144 Yes, because this was work of exploration, 3166 02:42:56,178 --> 02:42:58,412 it was not the preparation of a weapon. 3167 02:42:58,446 --> 02:43:00,514 You mean it was more of a... an academic excursion. 3168 02:43:00,548 --> 02:43:02,450 No, it is not an academic thing 3169 02:43:02,483 --> 02:43:03,885 whether you can build a hydrogen bomb. 3170 02:43:03,918 --> 02:43:05,519 It's a matter of life and death. 3171 02:43:05,553 --> 02:43:06,921 By 1942, you were actively pushing 3172 02:43:06,954 --> 02:43:08,522 the development of the hydrogen bomb, weren't you? 3173 02:43:08,556 --> 02:43:09,790 Pushing's not the right word. 3174 02:43:09,824 --> 02:43:11,759 Supporting it and working on it, yes. 3175 02:43:11,792 --> 02:43:14,129 So when did these moral qualms become so strong 3176 02:43:14,162 --> 02:43:15,796 that you actively opposed 3177 02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:17,498 the development of the hydrogen bomb? 3178 02:43:17,531 --> 02:43:19,500 When it was suggested that it be the policy 3179 02:43:19,533 --> 02:43:21,702 of the United States to make these things at all cost 3180 02:43:21,736 --> 02:43:23,738 without regard to the balance between these weapons 3181 02:43:23,771 --> 02:43:26,841 and atomic weapons as part of our arsenal. 3182 02:43:28,210 --> 02:43:30,145 What do moral qualms have to do with that? 3183 02:43:30,178 --> 02:43:32,214 Wha... What do moral qualms 3184 02:43:32,247 --> 02:43:33,781 -have to do with it? -Yes. 3185 02:43:33,814 --> 02:43:35,883 Oppenheimer wanted to own the atomic bomb. 3186 02:43:35,917 --> 02:43:37,818 He wanted to be the man who moved the Earth. 3187 02:43:37,852 --> 02:43:41,022 He talks about putting the nuclear genie 3188 02:43:41,055 --> 02:43:42,523 back in the bottle. 3189 02:43:42,556 --> 02:43:43,691 Well, I'm here to tell you 3190 02:43:43,724 --> 02:43:45,927 that I know J. Robert Oppenheimer, 3191 02:43:45,960 --> 02:43:50,064 and if he could do it all over, he'd do it all the same. 3192 02:43:50,097 --> 02:43:53,135 You know he's never once said that he regrets Hiroshima? 3193 02:43:53,168 --> 02:43:56,037 He'd do it all over. Why? 3194 02:43:56,070 --> 02:43:57,505 Because it made him 3195 02:43:57,538 --> 02:43:59,174 the most important man who ever lived. 3196 02:43:59,207 --> 02:44:01,542 Well, we've... 3197 02:44:01,575 --> 02:44:03,678 we've freely used the atomic bomb... 3198 02:44:03,711 --> 02:44:05,813 In fact, Doctor, you assisted in selecting 3199 02:44:05,846 --> 02:44:07,249 the target to drop the atomic bomb on Japan, 3200 02:44:07,282 --> 02:44:08,950 -didn't you? -Yes. 3201 02:44:08,983 --> 02:44:10,618 Well, then you knew, did you not, that by dropping 3202 02:44:10,651 --> 02:44:12,820 that atomic bomb on the target you selected, 3203 02:44:12,853 --> 02:44:14,256 that thousands of civilians would be killed 3204 02:44:14,289 --> 02:44:16,023 or injured, is that correct? 3205 02:44:16,057 --> 02:44:17,959 Yes, not as many as turned out... 3206 02:44:17,992 --> 02:44:20,195 Oh. Well, how many were killed or injured? 3207 02:44:20,228 --> 02:44:22,096 -70,000. -70,000 3208 02:44:22,130 --> 02:44:23,198 at both Hiroshima and... 3209 02:44:23,231 --> 02:44:24,665 110,000 at both. 3210 02:44:24,699 --> 02:44:26,100 On the day of each bombing? 3211 02:44:28,069 --> 02:44:29,237 Yes. 3212 02:44:29,271 --> 02:44:30,838 And in the weeks and years that followed? 3213 02:44:30,871 --> 02:44:33,574 It has been put at somewhere between 50 and 100,000. 3214 02:44:33,607 --> 02:44:35,710 -220,000 dead at least? -Yes. 3215 02:44:35,743 --> 02:44:37,645 Any moral scruples about that? 3216 02:44:39,013 --> 02:44:40,115 Terrible ones. 3217 02:44:40,148 --> 02:44:41,716 But yet you testified in here 3218 02:44:41,749 --> 02:44:44,119 that the bombing of Hiroshima was very successful. 3219 02:44:44,152 --> 02:44:45,720 -Technically successful. -Oh! 3220 02:44:45,753 --> 02:44:47,521 Technically, it was very successful. 3221 02:44:47,555 --> 02:44:49,023 And it is also alleged to have helped end the war. 3222 02:44:49,056 --> 02:44:51,025 Would you have been in support of the dropping 3223 02:44:51,058 --> 02:44:52,994 of a hydrogen bomb on Hiroshima? 3224 02:44:53,027 --> 02:44:54,562 That would make no sense at all. 3225 02:44:54,595 --> 02:44:57,031 -Why? -The-the target is too small. 3226 02:44:57,064 --> 02:44:59,567 Well, supposing there had been a target in Japan 3227 02:44:59,600 --> 02:45:01,068 big enough for a thermonuclear weapon, 3228 02:45:01,102 --> 02:45:02,870 would you have been opposed to the dropping of it? 3229 02:45:02,903 --> 02:45:04,739 This was not a problem with which I was confronted... 3230 02:45:04,772 --> 02:45:06,208 Well, I'm confronting you with it now, sir. 3231 02:45:06,241 --> 02:45:08,009 It was all part of his plan. 3232 02:45:08,042 --> 02:45:09,610 He wanted the glorious, 3233 02:45:09,643 --> 02:45:11,812 insincere guilt of the self-important 3234 02:45:11,846 --> 02:45:13,315 to wear like a fuckin' crown. 3235 02:45:13,348 --> 02:45:16,784 Say, "No, we cannot go down this road," 3236 02:45:16,817 --> 02:45:19,620 even as he knew we'd have to. 3237 02:45:19,653 --> 02:45:21,189 Would you have been opposed to the dropping 3238 02:45:21,223 --> 02:45:22,890 of a thermonuclear weapon on Japan 3239 02:45:22,923 --> 02:45:25,160 -because of moral scruples? -Yes, I believe I would, sir. 3240 02:45:25,193 --> 02:45:26,894 Well, did you oppose the dropping 3241 02:45:26,927 --> 02:45:28,929 of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima because of moral scruples? 3242 02:45:28,963 --> 02:45:30,598 We set forth our arguments... 3243 02:45:30,631 --> 02:45:32,033 No, you, you, you. I'm asking you. 3244 02:45:32,066 --> 02:45:33,701 -I set... I set forth... -Not we. You, you, you! 3245 02:45:33,734 --> 02:45:35,337 ...our arguments against dropping it, 3246 02:45:35,370 --> 02:45:36,904 but I did not endorse them. 3247 02:45:36,937 --> 02:45:38,639 You mean after working night and day 3248 02:45:38,672 --> 02:45:40,041 for three years building the bomb, 3249 02:45:40,074 --> 02:45:41,909 you then argued against the use of it? 3250 02:45:41,942 --> 02:45:44,645 I was asked by the Secretary of War 3251 02:45:44,678 --> 02:45:46,047 what the views of scientists were. 3252 02:45:46,080 --> 02:45:48,816 I gave him the views against and the views for. 3253 02:45:48,849 --> 02:45:50,851 You supported the dropping of the atom bomb on Japan. 3254 02:45:50,885 --> 02:45:52,354 -What do you mean "support"? -Didn't you? 3255 02:45:52,387 --> 02:45:53,854 -You supported it! -What do you mean "support"? 3256 02:45:53,888 --> 02:45:55,223 Well, you helped pick the target, didn't you? 3257 02:45:55,257 --> 02:45:56,891 I did my job. 3258 02:45:56,924 --> 02:45:58,659 I was not in a policy-making position at Los Alamos. 3259 02:45:58,692 --> 02:46:00,328 I would have done anything I was asked to do. 3260 02:46:00,362 --> 02:46:02,630 Well, then you would have built the H-bomb too, 3261 02:46:02,663 --> 02:46:03,798 -wouldn't you? -I couldn't. 3262 02:46:03,831 --> 02:46:05,733 I didn't ask you that, Doctor! 3263 02:46:05,766 --> 02:46:08,102 And the GAC report which you co-authored 3264 02:46:08,136 --> 02:46:10,004 after the Soviet atomic test said 3265 02:46:10,037 --> 02:46:12,706 a Super bomb should never be built! 3266 02:46:12,740 --> 02:46:14,075 What we meant, what I meant was... 3267 02:46:14,108 --> 02:46:16,178 -What you, who? Who? -What I meant... 3268 02:46:17,945 --> 02:46:19,381 And wouldn't the Russians do anything 3269 02:46:19,414 --> 02:46:21,682 to increase their strength? 3270 02:46:21,715 --> 02:46:23,684 If we did it, they would have to do it. 3271 02:46:23,717 --> 02:46:25,753 Our efforts would only fuel their efforts, 3272 02:46:25,786 --> 02:46:27,888 just as it had with the atomic bomb. 3273 02:46:27,922 --> 02:46:31,326 "Just as it had with the atomic bomb," exactly! 3274 02:46:31,359 --> 02:46:36,097 No moral scruples in 1945, plenty in 1949. 3275 02:46:40,235 --> 02:46:42,069 Dr. Oppenheimer... 3276 02:46:43,737 --> 02:46:46,341 ...when did your strong moral convictions develop 3277 02:46:46,374 --> 02:46:49,177 with respect to the hydrogen bomb? 3278 02:46:56,218 --> 02:46:59,121 When it became clear to me 3279 02:46:59,154 --> 02:47:02,790 that we would tend to use any weapon we had. 3280 02:47:05,227 --> 02:47:07,728 J. Robert Oppenheimer, the martyr. 3281 02:47:07,761 --> 02:47:10,365 I gave him exactly what he wanted. 3282 02:47:10,398 --> 02:47:12,666 To be remembered for Trinity, 3283 02:47:12,700 --> 02:47:15,303 not Hiroshima, 3284 02:47:15,337 --> 02:47:17,771 not Nagasaki. 3285 02:47:20,308 --> 02:47:23,010 He should be thanking me. 3286 02:47:23,043 --> 02:47:25,980 Well, he's not. 3287 02:47:27,815 --> 02:47:29,417 Do we still have enough votes, 3288 02:47:29,451 --> 02:47:31,119 or is the crowning moment of my career 3289 02:47:31,153 --> 02:47:35,290 about to become the most public humiliation of my life? 3290 02:47:35,323 --> 02:47:37,892 Full Senate's about to vote. 3291 02:47:37,925 --> 02:47:39,093 You'll scrape through. 3292 02:47:39,127 --> 02:47:40,761 Great, then gather the fucking press. 3293 02:47:40,794 --> 02:47:42,763 Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer. 3294 02:47:42,796 --> 02:47:45,766 This board, having heard testimony from you 3295 02:47:45,799 --> 02:47:48,936 and many of your current and former colleagues, 3296 02:47:48,969 --> 02:47:50,971 has come to the unanimous conclusion 3297 02:47:51,005 --> 02:47:54,108 that you are a loyal citizen. 3298 02:47:55,410 --> 02:47:57,044 However, 3299 02:47:57,077 --> 02:48:00,714 in the light of your continuing associations 3300 02:48:00,748 --> 02:48:02,016 and disregard 3301 02:48:02,049 --> 02:48:04,186 for the security apparatus of this country, 3302 02:48:04,219 --> 02:48:07,755 together with your somewhat disturbing conduct 3303 02:48:07,788 --> 02:48:10,325 on the hydrogen bomb program 3304 02:48:10,358 --> 02:48:11,892 and the regrettable lack of candor 3305 02:48:11,926 --> 02:48:14,296 in certain of your responses to this board, 3306 02:48:14,329 --> 02:48:17,199 we have voted two to one 3307 02:48:17,232 --> 02:48:20,335 to deny the renewal of your security clearance. 3308 02:48:20,368 --> 02:48:23,471 A full written opinion, with a dissent from Mr. Evans, 3309 02:48:23,505 --> 02:48:27,007 will be issued to the AEC in the coming days. 3310 02:48:27,041 --> 02:48:28,709 That is all. 3311 02:48:32,480 --> 02:48:33,814 -Gordon... -Roger. 3312 02:48:38,852 --> 02:48:40,754 Robert. 3313 02:48:41,389 --> 02:48:42,923 Robert. 3314 02:48:45,393 --> 02:48:46,894 Don't... 3315 02:48:49,264 --> 02:48:52,467 Don't take in the sheets. 3316 02:48:53,867 --> 02:48:55,270 Get a picture with him. 3317 02:48:55,303 --> 02:48:56,538 Sir, sir. 3318 02:48:56,571 --> 02:48:59,039 Two minutes. Two minutes. 3319 02:48:59,073 --> 02:49:00,275 -You'll get your shot. -Please, sir. 3320 02:49:00,308 --> 02:49:01,875 We've been waiting for so long. 3321 02:49:01,909 --> 02:49:02,910 -Evening, sir. -Come out. 3322 02:49:02,943 --> 02:49:03,978 Sir, sir! 3323 02:49:04,011 --> 02:49:05,347 Is it official? 3324 02:49:07,449 --> 02:49:08,849 Well, there were, 3325 02:49:08,882 --> 02:49:12,019 uh, a couple of unexpected holdouts. 3326 02:49:16,458 --> 02:49:19,127 I'm denied. Yeah? 3327 02:49:19,160 --> 02:49:21,129 -I'm afraid so, sir. -All right. 3328 02:49:28,836 --> 02:49:29,903 Who were the holdouts? 3329 02:49:29,937 --> 02:49:32,873 Um, there were three, 3330 02:49:32,906 --> 02:49:35,843 led by the junior senator from Massachusetts. 3331 02:49:35,876 --> 02:49:37,279 Young guy trying to make a name for himself, 3332 02:49:37,312 --> 02:49:39,880 didn't like what you did to Oppenheimer. 3333 02:49:39,913 --> 02:49:41,048 What's his name? 3334 02:49:41,081 --> 02:49:43,285 Uh, Kennedy. 3335 02:49:43,318 --> 02:49:45,120 John F. Kennedy. 3336 02:49:48,590 --> 02:49:49,990 Kitty? 3337 02:49:56,063 --> 02:49:59,467 Did you think that if you let them tar and feather you, 3338 02:49:59,501 --> 02:50:02,069 that the world would forgive you? 3339 02:50:05,607 --> 02:50:07,041 It won't. 3340 02:50:09,411 --> 02:50:10,811 We'll see. 3341 02:50:20,588 --> 02:50:22,590 Goddamn it. 3342 02:50:24,125 --> 02:50:27,061 You told me I'd be okay. 3343 02:50:27,094 --> 02:50:29,464 Yeah, well, I didn't have all the facts, did I? 3344 02:50:29,497 --> 02:50:31,065 Here's a fact. 3345 02:50:31,098 --> 02:50:32,933 President Eisenhower pinned the Medal of Freedom 3346 02:50:32,966 --> 02:50:34,402 on my chest last year 3347 02:50:34,436 --> 02:50:36,937 'cause I've always done what's right for this country. 3348 02:50:36,970 --> 02:50:39,474 They don't want me in the Cabinet room? 3349 02:50:39,507 --> 02:50:41,942 Well, that's... that's fine. 3350 02:50:41,975 --> 02:50:44,312 Maybe they should just invite Oppenheimer instead. 3351 02:50:44,346 --> 02:50:45,380 Maybe they will. 3352 02:50:46,381 --> 02:50:47,615 I told you, 3353 02:50:47,649 --> 02:50:50,285 he turned the scientists against me one by one, 3354 02:50:50,318 --> 02:50:52,487 starting with Einstein. I told you about, uh, Einstein. 3355 02:50:52,520 --> 02:50:53,954 I saw him by the pond. 3356 02:50:53,987 --> 02:50:55,490 You did, but you know, sir, 3357 02:50:55,523 --> 02:50:57,525 since nobody really knows 3358 02:50:57,559 --> 02:50:59,194 what they said to each other that day, 3359 02:50:59,227 --> 02:51:03,264 is it possible they didn't talk about you at all? 3360 02:51:03,298 --> 02:51:06,434 Is it possible they spoke about something, uh, 3361 02:51:06,468 --> 02:51:07,901 more important? 3362 02:51:07,935 --> 02:51:09,371 Mr. Strauss! 3363 02:51:12,707 --> 02:51:15,109 Over here! Mr. Strauss! 3364 02:51:18,246 --> 02:51:21,516 Oh. 3365 02:51:22,684 --> 02:51:23,984 Thank you. 3366 02:51:24,017 --> 02:51:26,521 Albert. 3367 02:51:26,554 --> 02:51:28,523 Ah. 3368 02:51:28,556 --> 02:51:31,058 The man of the moment. 3369 02:51:34,162 --> 02:51:37,532 You once held a-a reception for me. 3370 02:51:37,565 --> 02:51:39,367 In Berkeley. You gave me an award. 3371 02:51:39,401 --> 02:51:41,269 -Hmm? -Yes. 3372 02:51:42,170 --> 02:51:44,572 You all thought that I had lost the ability 3373 02:51:44,606 --> 02:51:47,542 to understand what I'd started. 3374 02:51:47,575 --> 02:51:51,011 So the award really wasn't for me, 3375 02:51:51,044 --> 02:51:53,448 it was for all of you, hmm? 3376 02:51:55,316 --> 02:51:57,318 Now it's your turn 3377 02:51:57,352 --> 02:52:02,055 to deal with the consequences of your achievement. 3378 02:52:02,990 --> 02:52:04,292 And one day, 3379 02:52:04,325 --> 02:52:06,960 when they've punished you enough... 3380 02:52:08,363 --> 02:52:12,267 ...they'll serve you salmon and potato salad. 3381 02:52:16,003 --> 02:52:18,038 Make speeches... 3382 02:52:19,072 --> 02:52:20,575 ...give you a medal. 3383 02:52:22,277 --> 02:52:24,446 Hello, Frank. 3384 02:52:24,479 --> 02:52:25,713 You're happy, I'm happy. 3385 02:52:32,687 --> 02:52:36,023 Pat you on the back, tell you all is forgiven. 3386 02:52:37,559 --> 02:52:39,960 Just remember... 3387 02:52:40,595 --> 02:52:42,464 ...it won't be for you. 3388 02:52:46,734 --> 02:52:48,369 It'll be for them. 3389 02:53:02,517 --> 02:53:04,051 Albert. 3390 02:53:05,286 --> 02:53:08,756 When I came to you with those calculations, 3391 02:53:08,790 --> 02:53:11,024 we thought we might start a chain reaction 3392 02:53:11,058 --> 02:53:14,529 that would destroy the entire world. 3393 02:53:14,562 --> 02:53:18,031 Mm, I remember it well. 3394 02:53:18,065 --> 02:53:20,134 What of it? 3395 02:53:22,770 --> 02:53:24,506 I believe we did. 246826

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