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[dramatic music]
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♪♪
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[air raid siren wailing]
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[Jim Jones on loudspeaker]
Attention, attention.
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Every member of the community
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must come to the pavilion
immediately.
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We may have an invasion.
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[dramatic music]
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[Laura Johnston Kohl]
Jim said, "They're coming
for our children.
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"They're coming for
our children,
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and so we need
to stand strong."
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[Tim Carter]
We were all lined up
with shovels,
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and pick axes and whatever
other tools were there.
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We were gonna fight.
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[dramatic music]
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[light music]
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♪♪
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[Jim Jones]
You don't know what
you're missing down here.
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These are potato chips
made from plantain
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and they're more delicious,
they're a combination
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of a potato chip
and a French fry.
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And radishes.
Mm, mm, mm.
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Here are the people
at the table
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eating an afternoon snack.
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♪♪
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It's another sunny day.
It's interesting,
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when I walk out,
every time I walk out,
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as the people can verify,
the rain will stop.
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So that's been amazing.
[others shouting]
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[Stephan Jones]
I think there were many
different reasons
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people went to Jonestown.
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It had a lot to do
with peer pressure.
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For many,
they were probably hopeful.
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You know, we can be
a happy community again.
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You all happy?
You here?
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You happy, Tom?Yes.
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Everybody's happy
down here,
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you can see that
that's an obvious fact.
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The story was,
we were going to paradise.
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The grand utopia.
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But we were trying to feed
over 900 people down there.
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It was a battle
we wouldn't win.
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And probably, Dad saw that.
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So the drama just escalated,
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which only weakened all of us
and frightened all of us.
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And, frankly, drew us more
into his own sickness.
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[Gosney]
As time grew on,
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the difference in Jim Jones
was very marked.
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[Stephan Jones]
I think dad was feeling lost
in Jonestown.
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He could no longer
parade about
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and convince himself
of how grand he is.
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His drug use just at that point
was off the charts.
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[Guinn]
He's passed out half the time
in his cabin.
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He blows up physically,
he's terribly bloated.
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So, instead of seeing, you know,
their god-like leader,
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it's just a fat, sweaty man.
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He loses
any claim to divinity
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because they're too close
to him now.
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There's no place
for him to go hide.
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[Gosney]
The punishments did get
much more severe.
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They had this hole
that they put people in.
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This item called the box.
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[suspenseful music]
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People were put in there
for punishment purposes.
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A person would be blindfolded
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and they would be told eels
and leeches were in there.
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[Malone]
Wha-- wait.
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[Malone]
Dad?
[Jim Jones]
Put your hand in there.
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[people muttering]
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[Gosney]
You couldn't trust anyone
with any information.
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Children turned in
their parents,
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so if anyone asked you,
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"Oh, how do you like
Jonestown?"
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I love it, it's great.
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Hello, family.
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Greetings, from a truly
promised land
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pre-- prepared by Father.
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Hello, family,
thank Father I have a chance
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to talk to you
and, uh...
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[laughter]
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[Gosney]
The mail was definitely
censored.
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I didn't get all the letters
that were sent to me.
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If you were to write,
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basically your letter
consisted of,
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"So glad I'm here.
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"Oh, Jim Jones is
a wonderful leader
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and we're building
a utopia."
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That was what you could write.
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It became extremely
repressive.
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Somewhat like
a concentration camp.
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[Guinn]
People say,
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"Well how could they stay?"
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And a big reason is
they don't have their passports,
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they don't have money
to get home.
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[all singing]
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A huge reason is that
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they remain dedicated
to the cause.
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And if they do
try to get away,
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there's the jungle.
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Jim Jones has 'em.
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[all singing]
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♪ We're a happy family,
yes we are ♪
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♪ All day long
we sing a song ♪
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♪ Father loves us
everyone ♪
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♪ We're a happy family,
yes we are ♪
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♪ We're a happy family,
yes we are ♪
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♪ All day long
we sing a song ♪
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[singing fades]
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[suspenseful music]
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While the people inside
this Ukiah home
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say they fear for the lives
of their friends and family
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far away in that
Peoples Temple in Guyana.
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That Reverend Jim Jones works
in some very unexpected ways.
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But they say that talking
about it is worth it.
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Well, yeah, they try
to give you
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the impression that--
that, uh,
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you know, that everything
you hear is not the truth
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and-- and that everything
is beautiful down there.
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Somehow, Jim Jones has
an ability to--
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to control their--
their minds,
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and-- and as long as
those minds are controlled,
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I--I'm afraid there--
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there's a potential for--
for some danger.
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[Kilduff]
The Concerned Relatives
was the label
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for the unhappy ex-members
as well as parents,
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who wanted access to
the Temple's members in Guyana.
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This is not a commune,
this is not a church,
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this is just insanity.
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[Kilduff]
They were having no luck
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getting through to
their family members.
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They were turned away,
their letters were sent back
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with, uh, simplistic,
kind of, "go away" messages.
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These folks were very bothered
by that treatment.
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I really feel,
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and anybody
can question me,
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I'll submit myself
to tests,
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I'll talk to psychiatrists,
whatever.
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But I believe
I was brainwashed.
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[Grace Stoen]
We met with the press.
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I said, you know,
I was there for six years,
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I said, I know what Jim
is capable of.
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[driving beat]
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♪♪
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My son, John, obviously
was being turned against me
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and that's when I decided
to fight for my son.
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[Guinn]
The courts are called into play
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as Grace Stoen sues
Jim Jones
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to get custody
of John Victor back.
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And in fact,
an arrest order,
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if he didn't comply,
was being issued.
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[suspenseful music]
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[Dr. Mary Magaa]
Jim Jones and the leadership
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do not want to let go
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of John Victor Stoen
because symbolically,
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he represents the ability
of anybody Stateside
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to get any child
from Jonestown
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and bring them back
to America.
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[Guinn]
The Guyanese court order
precipitated
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what the settlers
later called the six-day siege.
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[air raid siren wailing]
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Jim said, they're coming
for our children,
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and so we need
to stand strong.
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[Carter]
We were being told
that the Guyanese Army
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was coming in,
and we were gonna-- to fight.
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Because, you know,
if you take one of us,
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you have to take all of us
kind of thing.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Wilson]
I'm sitting there thinking,
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"I wonder how
I'm gonna die today."
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Are they gonna come
with machine guns,
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and I'ma get shot?
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I wonder what a bullet
feels like.
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[indistinct shouting]
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At 20.
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I didn't think
I was gonna see 21.
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[Jones and crowd whooping]
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[air raid siren wailing]
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[Wilson]
Jim told us that we were under
attack by the Guyanese army.
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And we were up all night,
like a human chain
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with our machetes,
there's guns, there's peop--
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the security is out.
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We'd stand there and then after
a while Jim would say,
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"Well, they're not gonna
come tonight."
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[dramatic music]
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[Wilson]
And then he sends us to bed.
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And then the next night,
it could happen again.
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It was six days of being told
that you're under attack.
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And you might die
at any moment.
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We weren't getting any rest.
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People were exhausted.
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This is the psyche,
this is what--
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this is what
he's doing to us,
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he's constantly preparing us
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to where we're thinking about
our own deaths.
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[Magaa]
Jim Jones started talking about
revolutionary suicide.
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And that if they couldn't
stay together
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because of their enemies,
then they would die together
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in order to show loyalty
to one another.
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[Carter]
He was standing on the steps
to the radio room,
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and the people that
were still there,
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you know, 400 or so,
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he actually said,
"Let's take a vote.
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How many people here want to
commit revolutionary suicide?"
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Three people raised
their hand.
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Three.
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And I saw the look of, kind of,
disappointment on his--
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in his eyes,
but also a strategic look.
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Kind of like, hmm, what am I
gonna have to do?
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I'll never forget that.
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[dramatic music]
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[Wilson]
The whole thing was that
we were under attack
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by the Guyanese government.
And then, years later,
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we find out that it was really
over the custody battle.
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[male reporter]
So what are you
gonna do?
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[Stoen]
So what am I
gonna do now?
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Well, I-- you know,
I've been fighting
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this legal case
for two years,
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trying to get John,
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and I'll just keep on
trying and trying.
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I'm getting John Stoen
out of there,
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no matter what
I have to do.
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[somber music]
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[Rep. Jackie Speier]
This was 1978.
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I was
a legislative counsel
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to a member of Congress
in San Francisco.
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The Concerned Relatives
started writing
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to members of Congress,
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Congressman Ryan
being one of them.
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I think the issues
in this campaign
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are pretty much
what they are
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anyplace else
in the country.
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They're concerned
about their jobs,
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they're concerned about
the war in Vietnam...
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[Guinn]
Leo Ryan had a reputation
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as a man who was willing
to investigate.
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When he was warned that
there was abuse of prisoners,
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he got himself anonymously
put in prison for a week.
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When the fate of baby seals
was brought to his attention,
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he went up to defend
the seals
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by throwing his body
in front of one of them.
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[dramatic music]
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[Ryan]
The first thing
we have to do,
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is to get in touch
with Jonestown.
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[Speier]
Congressman Ryan had this
uncanny ability
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to look beneath,
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and he listened
to these defectors.
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Many of them were interviewed,
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and it became
very apparent to him
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that there was
something wrong.
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I'm trying to find out
what the facts are
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as an absolutely
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non-committed person.
I have...
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So he decided that
he wanted to do
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a congressional
delegation trip
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to Guyana and visit
the Peoples Temple there.
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[Speier]
In preparation for the trip,
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I remember sitting
in my office listening
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to audio tapes of interviews
from defectors
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and having
this ominous feeling.
260
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I did have a premonition
about the trip.
261
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[suspenseful music]
262
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[indistinct chatter]
263
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[Stoen]
You know, I did try to warn
Congressman Ryan.
264
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I don't think anybody
heard us
265
00:14:05,757 --> 00:14:08,456
and/or,
they didn't believe us.
266
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You say there's a lot of this
and you can't believe that.
267
00:14:11,024 --> 00:14:14,331
I'm telling you
that you have never met up
268
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with a man like Jim Jones.
269
00:14:16,029 --> 00:14:18,466
[engines roaring]
270
00:14:23,601 --> 00:14:25,212
[indistinct chatter]
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[male reporter]
Tuesday, November 14th.
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Congressman Leo Ryan
and his party
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of people related
to cult members, reporters,
274
00:14:30,782 --> 00:14:32,959
and cameramen left
the United States
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for Georgetown, Guyana,
hoping to get to Jonestown.
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[Guinn]
When Leo Ryan
and the Concerned Relatives
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and the media arrive
in Georgetown,
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they have
a couple tough days.
279
00:14:50,933 --> 00:14:56,286
Ryan is trying to get permission
to enter Jonestown.
280
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Jones says no.
281
00:15:15,784 --> 00:15:18,526
[male reporter]
Harris heard some ominous
things about Jonestown
282
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in an interview with
a former leader
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00:15:20,093 --> 00:15:21,964
of the cult
who had defected.
284
00:15:22,008 --> 00:15:24,924
[Don Harris]
If your mother...
285
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and your sisters
and brother
286
00:15:27,578 --> 00:15:31,582
wanted to leave Jonestown,
wouldn't they just leave?
287
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They can't.Why not?
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Like, you, uh...
they're in a jungle.
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With guards.
With guns.
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00:15:40,026 --> 00:15:41,810
[scoffs]
They can't.
291
00:15:41,853 --> 00:15:44,769
[crickets chirping]
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00:15:44,813 --> 00:15:48,817
[Carter]
I was in the radio room
on Thursday night.
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The phone rang,
and it was Jones.
294
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And he said,
"So what do you think?"
295
00:15:54,083 --> 00:15:57,217
And I said, "They were
expecting to be turned away.
296
00:15:57,260 --> 00:15:58,958
I think we should let
the congressman in."
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00:15:59,001 --> 00:16:02,091
He said, "This-- this is
a [bleep] way to live."
298
00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,007
And the conversation
went on
299
00:16:05,051 --> 00:16:07,749
and all of a sudden
he just [vocalizing].
300
00:16:07,792 --> 00:16:11,492
And he went into 20 minutes
of non sequitur sentences,
301
00:16:11,535 --> 00:16:15,104
slurring half the time.
I was terrified.
302
00:16:15,148 --> 00:16:16,627
I mean, I thought,
303
00:16:16,671 --> 00:16:19,543
"Oh, my God, the leader
has lost his mind.
304
00:16:19,587 --> 00:16:23,112
Literally, lost his mind."
305
00:16:32,469 --> 00:16:35,037
[man] Did you check...Go over there and see
how much...
306
00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:38,606
[man 2]
Everybody, everybody.
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[Stoen]
Congressman Ryan approached
our group and said,
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"Okay, we have two planes."
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Um, we have
this many seats.
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The Concerned Relatives
groups
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started kind of fighting
over the seats.
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And I just stepped back,
and I said,
313
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"I'm not fighting
for a seat on the airplane."
314
00:16:58,278 --> 00:17:01,020
I was told later,
people said that
315
00:17:01,063 --> 00:17:05,372
if I had shown up on that
airstrip on the way in,
316
00:17:05,415 --> 00:17:07,678
they would've killed everybody
right then and there.
317
00:17:07,722 --> 00:17:09,898
Nobody would've ever
even got into Jonestown.
318
00:17:09,941 --> 00:17:12,248
There was so much hatred
for me.
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[male reporter]
Friday November 17th,
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Congressman Ryan and his party
headed for Jonestown
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00:17:33,748 --> 00:17:35,619
not certain whether
they would get there
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00:17:35,663 --> 00:17:37,404
or what they would find.
323
00:17:56,814 --> 00:17:59,426
[Gosney]
We were told that Leo Ryan
was coming
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00:17:59,469 --> 00:18:03,169
because he was a s--
part of the CIA.
325
00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:05,345
We were drilled and drilled
326
00:18:05,388 --> 00:18:07,216
and drilled and drilled
and drilled.
327
00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:10,132
People were rehearsed
328
00:18:10,176 --> 00:18:13,048
and so it was
a huge, huge, huge deal.
329
00:18:22,623 --> 00:18:25,974
[Guinn]
When settlers in Jonestown
hear from Jones
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that there are gonna
be people coming,
331
00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:29,586
there are people who start
to see
332
00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:31,806
this might be
the time that we leave Guyana.
333
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:36,289
When a congressman comes,
surely, you know,
334
00:18:36,332 --> 00:18:38,552
nobody's gonna screw
with a congressman, you know.
335
00:18:38,595 --> 00:18:40,771
You could leave with him,
you might be safe.
336
00:18:45,341 --> 00:18:48,866
[Wilson]
I remember thinking I didn't
know how I was gonna leave,
337
00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:51,913
but I made that commitment
to myself, and my son.
338
00:18:51,956 --> 00:18:55,482
I said, "Jakari will not spend
another birthday here."
339
00:18:57,962 --> 00:19:00,443
Diane Louie,
a very close friend of mine,
340
00:19:00,487 --> 00:19:02,924
said her boyfriend,
Richard Clark,
341
00:19:02,967 --> 00:19:05,318
had started to find a way out
the moment
342
00:19:05,361 --> 00:19:06,841
he arrived in Jonestown.
343
00:19:06,884 --> 00:19:08,364
And I told her
that I wanted to go.
344
00:19:10,584 --> 00:19:12,890
[Gosney]
I wanted to leave
with Congressman Ryan.
345
00:19:12,934 --> 00:19:15,197
I immediately thought,
346
00:19:15,241 --> 00:19:18,374
"This is my chance to get
out of here."
347
00:19:18,418 --> 00:19:24,511
So I was walking down the path
and Monica Bagby just says,
348
00:19:24,554 --> 00:19:27,209
"Let's get the [bleep]
outta here."
349
00:19:27,253 --> 00:19:29,037
And so from then on,
350
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,735
we tried to talk
to one another,
351
00:19:31,779 --> 00:19:33,346
to bolster one another.
352
00:19:33,389 --> 00:19:35,826
I'm probably the one
who needed the bolstering.
353
00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:40,091
Yes, I mean,
it sounds crazy, but yes,
354
00:19:40,135 --> 00:19:42,529
we have a right to leave,
yes, you know,
355
00:19:42,572 --> 00:19:44,313
it's okay that we leave.
356
00:19:48,752 --> 00:19:50,754
I wrote the note,
you know,
357
00:19:50,798 --> 00:19:54,845
"Help us get
out of Jonestown"...
358
00:19:54,889 --> 00:19:57,892
and that was my plan.
359
00:19:57,935 --> 00:20:03,027
To hand him the note and ask for
his assistance to leave.
360
00:20:03,071 --> 00:20:07,118
And it was very much like
a prison escape.
361
00:20:07,162 --> 00:20:09,338
"You're not walking outta here."
That was what Jim said.
362
00:20:09,382 --> 00:20:12,211
"You are not
leaving here walking.
363
00:20:12,254 --> 00:20:15,823
You can be dead in a box,
but you're not leaving here."
364
00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:20,480
[Gosney]
The consequences of conspiring
to leave was death... period.
365
00:20:23,831 --> 00:20:28,749
[suspenseful music]
366
00:20:41,588 --> 00:20:43,459
[Ryan]
I'm Congressman Ryan,
367
00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:45,766
I'm from the United States
government and we're here to...
368
00:20:45,809 --> 00:20:48,638
inquire into the,
uh, health and the welfare
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00:20:48,682 --> 00:20:50,379
of the American citizens
who are here.
370
00:21:02,217 --> 00:21:04,480
[plane passing]
371
00:21:04,524 --> 00:21:08,310
[Wilson]
I heard a plane overhead
on November 17th.
372
00:21:08,354 --> 00:21:09,964
That was Friday.
373
00:21:10,007 --> 00:21:13,446
A twin-engine plane,
and then the alarm sounded.
374
00:21:13,489 --> 00:21:17,232
[air raid siren wailing]
375
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,626
And so I'm excited
and I'm scared.
376
00:21:33,422 --> 00:21:38,035
[Speier]
First we went on a tour
of the commune.
377
00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:40,647
And it was impressive.
378
00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:43,998
I mean, you are in the deepest,
thickest jungle,
379
00:21:44,041 --> 00:21:49,395
and yet they had carved out
a viable community.
380
00:21:49,438 --> 00:21:51,527
[girl singing]
381
00:21:51,571 --> 00:21:53,094
[girl]
Can you go like this?
Make a choo-choo train.
382
00:21:53,137 --> 00:21:55,357
Make a choo-choo train.
383
00:21:55,401 --> 00:22:00,884
[Speier]
Virtually every person we
talked to said the same thing.
384
00:22:00,928 --> 00:22:04,323
I love it here,
I never want to go home.
385
00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:06,499
You're happy here?I-- I'm very happy here.
386
00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,370
It's the best place
I've ever been.
387
00:22:08,414 --> 00:22:11,678
[male reporter]
You wanna stay? Definitely.
388
00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:14,289
I certainly do.
389
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,552
Some people have said
that they couldn't leave
390
00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:19,207
if they wanted to.
Do you think you could?
391
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:22,036
Yeah, if-- if I really
wanted to, I'm-- I'm free to go.
392
00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:26,040
If I was really--
If I really wanted to,
I'd be free to go.
393
00:22:26,083 --> 00:22:29,826
♪ Yeah, get up off your feet
and dance, dance ♪
394
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:32,829
♪ Get up off your feet
and dance, dance... ♪
395
00:22:32,873 --> 00:22:35,136
[Gosney]
They had entertainment
that night.
396
00:22:35,179 --> 00:22:37,312
Jim Jones was showing
the congressman,
397
00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:38,487
this is our people.
398
00:22:38,531 --> 00:22:43,318
[cheers and applause]
399
00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:46,103
Everything was riding,
that night,
400
00:22:46,147 --> 00:22:49,933
on Congressman Ryan's
acceptance of us.
401
00:22:49,977 --> 00:22:55,504
So the atmosphere
was extremely tense.
402
00:22:55,548 --> 00:22:59,639
[Speier]
There's a huge show
being put on for the benefit
403
00:22:59,682 --> 00:23:03,207
of the community, but obviously,
for us as well.
404
00:23:08,212 --> 00:23:10,606
[Carter]
The entertainment
is going on.
405
00:23:10,650 --> 00:23:14,131
Ryan was invited to get up
and talk to everybody.
406
00:23:14,175 --> 00:23:16,656
I'm very glad to be here.
This is a congressional inquiry.
407
00:23:16,699 --> 00:23:18,048
I think that all of you know
408
00:23:18,092 --> 00:23:20,268
that I'm here to find out
more about--
409
00:23:20,311 --> 00:23:22,531
uh, questions have been raised
about your operation here.
410
00:23:22,575 --> 00:23:25,055
But I can tell you right now,
whatever the comments are,
411
00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:27,231
there are some people here
who believe that this
412
00:23:27,275 --> 00:23:29,451
is the best thing
that ever happened to them
in their whole lives.
413
00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:32,454
[cheers and applause]
414
00:23:32,498 --> 00:23:35,936
[ominous music]
415
00:23:35,979 --> 00:23:39,940
[Carter]
And the place just exploded
in applause,
416
00:23:39,983 --> 00:23:44,161
not rehearsed as been printed
many, many times.
417
00:23:44,205 --> 00:23:46,599
It was, it was loud.
418
00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:49,210
My brother told me afterwards
that it was the loudest
419
00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:50,951
that he'd ever heard Jonestown.
420
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:52,953
[cheers and applause continue]
421
00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:55,695
♪♪
422
00:23:55,738 --> 00:23:57,348
[Speier]
But it was manic.
423
00:23:57,392 --> 00:24:00,134
There was
an artificiality to it,
424
00:24:00,177 --> 00:24:03,398
and it didn't just go on
for 30 seconds.
425
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:06,053
It went on for minutes
and minutes.
426
00:24:06,096 --> 00:24:08,055
[cheering continues]
427
00:24:08,098 --> 00:24:12,015
♪♪
428
00:24:17,064 --> 00:24:22,156
What I hear is this
incredible tension being broken
429
00:24:22,199 --> 00:24:26,377
by this...
way overenthusiastic clapping.
430
00:24:26,421 --> 00:24:31,078
[cheering continues]
431
00:24:31,121 --> 00:24:34,647
It was during the performance
that I thought,
432
00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:37,867
"This is my chance
to get out of here."
433
00:24:37,911 --> 00:24:39,478
The stakes were very high.
434
00:24:39,521 --> 00:24:41,392
It was like an all or nothing,
435
00:24:41,436 --> 00:24:46,746
do or die,
this is gonna work or else...
436
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:50,271
Reporter Don Harris was
kinda doing a circle
437
00:24:50,314 --> 00:24:53,100
around the crowd
in the inside,
438
00:24:53,143 --> 00:24:57,452
so he made it possible
for me to pass the note.
439
00:24:57,496 --> 00:25:01,978
♪♪
440
00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:07,723
And I put the note in the--
kinda the curve of his elbow...
441
00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:13,294
...but the note fell out
on the ground.
442
00:25:13,337 --> 00:25:15,470
♪♪
443
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:20,388
And this little kid, uh,
he was-- was ten or something,
444
00:25:20,431 --> 00:25:23,478
he started yelling,
"He passed a note!
He passed a note!"
445
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,394
And I picked it up and I said,
"I think you dropped something."
446
00:25:26,437 --> 00:25:31,442
I hand it back to him,
and, um, um, he walked on.
447
00:25:31,486 --> 00:25:34,402
I'm exposing myself totally,
448
00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:37,840
and I am in pure terror.
449
00:25:37,884 --> 00:25:39,146
♪♪
450
00:25:39,189 --> 00:25:41,365
[Speier]
Don Harris approaches us.
451
00:25:41,409 --> 00:25:44,499
And he hands
Congressman Ryan a note.
452
00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:49,591
And the note had Vern Gosney
and Monica Bagby's name on it.
453
00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:54,640
And it indicated they wanted
to get out of there.
454
00:25:54,683 --> 00:25:55,858
So my heart sank.
455
00:25:55,902 --> 00:25:59,035
I thought,
"Oh, this is it.
456
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:00,863
"It's really true.
457
00:26:00,907 --> 00:26:03,605
People are being held here
against their will."
458
00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:05,912
[dramatic music]
459
00:26:05,955 --> 00:26:09,959
[Wilson]
We hear Vern Gosney has passed
a note to somebody,
460
00:26:10,003 --> 00:26:12,919
saying he wanted to leave.
461
00:26:12,962 --> 00:26:16,618
Diane comes and she says,
"We're leaving tomorrow."
462
00:26:16,662 --> 00:26:18,664
That was the plan.
463
00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,841
[ominous music]
464
00:26:21,884 --> 00:26:24,017
[Gosney]
After the performance,
465
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:26,541
Congressman Ryan came
and spoke with me,
466
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:30,197
and he said, "You are
the first one to ask to leave,
467
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,200
you'll have the first seats
on the plane."
468
00:26:33,243 --> 00:26:38,945
And I told him,
"You're in extreme danger.
469
00:26:38,988 --> 00:26:42,296
You need to leave now."
470
00:26:42,339 --> 00:26:44,211
♪♪
471
00:26:44,254 --> 00:26:46,343
He said, "Well, we can't."
472
00:26:46,387 --> 00:26:48,519
He didn't have
any transportation to leave.
473
00:26:48,563 --> 00:26:50,652
He couldn't leave
if he wanted to.
474
00:26:50,696 --> 00:26:54,613
♪♪
475
00:26:57,572 --> 00:26:59,530
[thunder rumbling]
476
00:26:59,574 --> 00:27:01,097
[rain pattering]
477
00:27:01,141 --> 00:27:04,448
[Speier]
I remember lying
on this top bunk
478
00:27:04,492 --> 00:27:09,062
and listening
to a torrential downpour
479
00:27:09,105 --> 00:27:11,542
that night on this roof.
480
00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:12,979
[thunder rumbling]
481
00:27:13,022 --> 00:27:16,460
It was staccato sound.
482
00:27:16,504 --> 00:27:19,942
And I-I don't know that I got
a wink of sleep that night.
483
00:27:19,986 --> 00:27:23,903
I was just thinking, "How are we
gonna get out of here safely?"
484
00:27:23,946 --> 00:27:26,949
[dramatic music]
485
00:27:31,475 --> 00:27:34,391
[ominous music]
486
00:27:34,435 --> 00:27:38,178
♪♪
487
00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:39,832
[Harris]
We're just a news team.
488
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,617
We don't care one way
or the other.
489
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:45,838
You're convinced
that Jim Jones
is a good man?
490
00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:48,144
Definitely, yeah.Yes, I should say so.
491
00:27:48,188 --> 00:27:50,886
Yes, I mean,
I'm 27 years old,
492
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:53,846
black, free,
and I make my own choices,
493
00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:57,197
and I definitely think Jim Jones
is a beautiful-- more--
494
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,374
he's got more character
than I ever seen out of anyone.
495
00:28:00,417 --> 00:28:02,245
And I respect him
very, very much.
496
00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:04,987
♪♪
497
00:28:05,031 --> 00:28:06,946
[Wilson]
On November 18th,
it was determined
498
00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:08,599
that we were gonna leave.
499
00:28:08,643 --> 00:28:11,472
My husband Joe and I
have separated.
500
00:28:11,515 --> 00:28:13,517
I have Jakari.
501
00:28:13,561 --> 00:28:17,260
But that day, Joe shows up,
and I'm holding our son.
502
00:28:17,304 --> 00:28:19,175
He says,
"Where are you going?"
503
00:28:19,219 --> 00:28:21,221
I said, "We're going
on a picnic."
504
00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:23,397
And he goes, "A picnic?"
505
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,747
And I'm thinking,
"This is the stupidest excuse
506
00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:28,358
"you could ever come up with.
507
00:28:28,402 --> 00:28:31,405
Okay, we blew it.
It's over."
508
00:28:31,448 --> 00:28:34,408
Then he just said, "Well, today
is not a good day, don't go."
509
00:28:34,451 --> 00:28:36,105
[chuckling]
That's what he said.
510
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:37,933
Now I'm panicking
a little bit.
511
00:28:37,977 --> 00:28:39,369
We have to hustle.
512
00:28:39,413 --> 00:28:43,896
♪♪
513
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:46,289
Richard says,
"It's 30-something miles
514
00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:47,813
and we got to walk it."
515
00:28:47,856 --> 00:28:51,381
And so, we left.
516
00:28:51,425 --> 00:28:53,166
♪♪
517
00:28:53,209 --> 00:28:56,386
And we just started
walking down the road.
518
00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:59,433
♪♪
519
00:28:59,476 --> 00:29:02,653
I have Jakari tied to a sheet
on my back.
520
00:29:02,697 --> 00:29:04,351
And I'm so scared.
521
00:29:04,394 --> 00:29:07,615
I am so unbelievably scared,
it's hard to breath.
522
00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:10,313
I feel like my heart's
in my throat.
523
00:29:10,357 --> 00:29:12,794
I'm trying to keep
from panicking.
524
00:29:12,838 --> 00:29:15,188
And I'm just waiting
for the bullet.
525
00:29:15,231 --> 00:29:18,800
♪♪
526
00:29:18,844 --> 00:29:22,673
[Gosney]
I met with Congressman Ryan
and Jackie Speiers.
527
00:29:22,717 --> 00:29:26,199
Congressman Ryan said,
"You have a congressional shield
528
00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:29,637
"of-- of protection around you.
529
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,813
Nothing can happen to you,"
530
00:29:31,857 --> 00:29:35,077
and I just thought,
"You're insane."
531
00:29:35,121 --> 00:29:38,080
[somber music]
532
00:29:38,124 --> 00:29:42,041
♪♪
533
00:29:45,653 --> 00:29:50,658
So then I went to say good-bye
to my son.
534
00:29:50,701 --> 00:29:55,794
And Edith, his caretaker,
was in the middle
535
00:29:55,837 --> 00:29:58,840
between these two guards.
536
00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:01,669
And then I saw my son.
537
00:30:01,712 --> 00:30:03,453
I remember him
sitting with me,
538
00:30:03,497 --> 00:30:05,891
and just being like
a typical four-year-old
539
00:30:05,934 --> 00:30:08,763
who can't sit still,
and just squirming
540
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:14,334
and crawling all around,
and then he went back to Edith.
541
00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:17,859
It's a moment
that I've went over...
542
00:30:17,903 --> 00:30:20,296
a million times in my mind.
543
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:24,039
A million times
in my mind.
544
00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:26,607
But I didn't know
what was gonna happen.
545
00:30:29,305 --> 00:30:31,830
♪♪
546
00:30:31,873 --> 00:30:36,356
So, this is when Jones finally
showed up at the pavilion.
547
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,445
And I was standing off
to the side
548
00:30:38,488 --> 00:30:43,580
when he was being interviewed
by Don Harris of NBC.
549
00:30:43,624 --> 00:30:46,888
Harris showed him the note
from Vern or Monica,
550
00:30:46,932 --> 00:30:49,586
saying they wanted to leave.
551
00:30:49,630 --> 00:30:52,546
[Harris]
Last night, someone came
and passed me this note.
552
00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:58,813
Well, that's who
we're talking about.
553
00:30:58,857 --> 00:30:59,988
He wants to leave
his son here.
554
00:31:00,032 --> 00:31:01,250
If Jonestown is such
a bad place,
555
00:31:01,294 --> 00:31:03,035
why does he want
to leave his son here?
556
00:31:05,472 --> 00:31:07,343
[Harris]
Doesn't it concern you,
though, that--
557
00:31:07,387 --> 00:31:09,345
that this man,
for whatever reason,
558
00:31:09,389 --> 00:31:11,260
one of the people
in your group was--
People--
559
00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:13,393
People play games,
friend.
560
00:31:13,436 --> 00:31:15,656
They lie.
561
00:31:15,699 --> 00:31:17,092
If it's so damn bad,
562
00:31:17,136 --> 00:31:19,921
why is he leaving
his son here?
563
00:31:19,965 --> 00:31:22,402
Can you give me
a good reason for that?I'll ask him.
564
00:31:22,445 --> 00:31:24,883
I'd take my son--
I'd take my son with me.
565
00:31:24,926 --> 00:31:29,583
♪♪
566
00:31:29,626 --> 00:31:33,935
[Carter]
But you could see
that he was not right.
567
00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:37,286
I mean, uh, I couldn't see
how not right he was,
568
00:31:37,330 --> 00:31:38,897
but you could see
he was not right.
569
00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:44,424
♪♪
570
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:49,429
[Gosney]
The mood in that pavilion
was starting to be chaos.
571
00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:51,561
And I realized at that moment
572
00:31:51,605 --> 00:31:53,868
that there was other people
that wanted to leave.
573
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,478
Leo, come on.
574
00:32:05,488 --> 00:32:07,447
♪♪
575
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:10,319
[Gosney]
I was quite shocked
because those two families
576
00:32:10,363 --> 00:32:13,192
came with Jim Jones
from Indiana.
577
00:32:17,152 --> 00:32:19,067
Miss, Miss...
578
00:32:21,504 --> 00:32:24,029
I mean this.
Thank you.
Thank you.
579
00:32:29,643 --> 00:32:31,166
Yeah, I know there is.
I know there--
580
00:32:37,433 --> 00:32:41,046
[Carter]
People that had been
with Jim for decades
581
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:43,004
came up and said,
"We wanna go."
582
00:32:43,048 --> 00:32:47,356
And all of a sudden,
the whole mood changed.
583
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,273
[Speier]
I remember there was
this screaming match going on.
584
00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:57,801
[man]
Hold on a second.
One second.
585
00:32:57,845 --> 00:33:01,936
[Speier]
A couple with a child
was pulling on the child.
586
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:05,722
One parent had one arm pulling,
she wanted to go,
587
00:33:05,766 --> 00:33:07,072
and the other one
wanted to stay.
588
00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:19,519
[Speier]
And I'm thinking,
"Oh, my God, this is..."
589
00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:24,132
The intensity of emotion
had just skyrocketed.
590
00:33:26,091 --> 00:33:28,093
[Carter]
I had tears
rolling down my face.
591
00:33:28,136 --> 00:33:32,967
It was just--
it was so incredibly emotional.
592
00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:36,318
But Jones' demeanor changed.
593
00:33:36,362 --> 00:33:41,106
I could see the anger
growing on his face.
594
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:44,500
In terms of people leaving,
it had gone from 7 or 8,
595
00:33:44,544 --> 00:33:48,504
to now 13 or 14,
and now another 9.
596
00:33:48,548 --> 00:33:50,550
We're up over 20 people.
597
00:33:50,593 --> 00:33:54,510
♪♪
598
00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:03,780
[Speier]
It was decided
as the group of people
599
00:34:03,824 --> 00:34:07,132
who wanted to leave grew...
600
00:34:07,175 --> 00:34:09,003
that Congressman Ryan
would stay behind,
601
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:10,700
and we would have
two airlifts.
602
00:34:10,744 --> 00:34:15,009
And I would take
the first group out.
603
00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:18,317
♪♪
604
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,709
And all of a sudden,
605
00:34:19,753 --> 00:34:21,929
Larry Layton jumps
onto the truck.
606
00:34:21,972 --> 00:34:25,889
♪♪
607
00:34:28,544 --> 00:34:30,894
[Gosney]
Dale Parks came and said,
608
00:34:30,938 --> 00:34:32,809
"Larry Layton
is coming with us.
609
00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:34,246
"You've gotta watch him.
He's a plant.
610
00:34:34,289 --> 00:34:36,813
"He's not-- he's not
a sincere person
611
00:34:36,857 --> 00:34:38,598
who wants to leave.
We've gotta watch him."
612
00:34:38,641 --> 00:34:42,341
And so we all went,
got on the truck.
613
00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:45,518
We're getting ready to leave,
614
00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:47,998
and I remember talking
to Don Harris,
615
00:34:48,042 --> 00:34:49,739
and we were feeling relieved,
616
00:34:49,783 --> 00:34:52,133
like we were getting out
of this powder keg.
617
00:34:52,177 --> 00:34:55,397
[thunder rumbling,
wind whooshing]
618
00:34:55,441 --> 00:34:57,225
[Carter]
All of a sudden the wind,
I mean, literally,
619
00:34:57,269 --> 00:35:00,054
out of nowhere,
the wind picked up
620
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,491
to, like, 35,
40 miles an hour.
621
00:35:02,535 --> 00:35:04,145
The sky turned black,
622
00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:07,888
and just this
torrential downpour happened.
623
00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:11,848
♪♪
624
00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:17,071
What I felt,
and I felt it physically,
625
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:19,595
was evil blow into Jonestown.
626
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,554
♪♪
627
00:35:21,597 --> 00:35:23,643
It's like
a supernatural force
628
00:35:23,686 --> 00:35:26,689
swept in and took over
the place.
629
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,343
The reason this was
so important
630
00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:30,432
is because the truck
couldn't leave.
631
00:35:30,476 --> 00:35:32,434
[engine revving]
632
00:35:32,478 --> 00:35:37,222
♪♪
633
00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:39,311
[Gosney]
They kept running the motor
and running the motor
634
00:35:39,354 --> 00:35:42,314
and couldn't get out
of the mud.
635
00:35:42,357 --> 00:35:45,273
But what was going through
my mind is,
636
00:35:45,317 --> 00:35:48,320
"You're not getting
out of here.
637
00:35:48,363 --> 00:35:50,191
You're not gonna leave."
638
00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:53,673
♪♪
639
00:35:53,716 --> 00:35:58,243
[Speier]
And then there was this eruption
from the pavilion.
640
00:35:58,286 --> 00:36:01,507
[Carter]
Congressman Ryan is back
in the pavilion.
641
00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:04,162
He's across from me.
He's talking to me.
642
00:36:04,205 --> 00:36:06,773
And I noticed a man
named Don Sly
643
00:36:06,816 --> 00:36:08,644
walking up behind
Congressman Ryan.
644
00:36:08,688 --> 00:36:10,255
He's shaking like a leaf.
645
00:36:10,298 --> 00:36:12,474
And it looks like
he's actually crying.
646
00:36:12,518 --> 00:36:14,302
And I thought to myself,
647
00:36:14,346 --> 00:36:15,782
"Somebody else is leaving,"
you know?
648
00:36:15,825 --> 00:36:18,306
"Oh, well, he's leaving too."
649
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:21,048
And all of a sudden,
a knife comes out and he says,
650
00:36:21,091 --> 00:36:22,615
"All right, mother[bleep],
you're gonna die."
651
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:24,704
♪♪
652
00:36:28,403 --> 00:36:31,580
[dramatic music]
653
00:36:31,624 --> 00:36:34,061
The knife comes out and he says,
"All right, mother[bleep],
you're gonna die."
654
00:36:34,104 --> 00:36:37,325
♪♪
655
00:36:37,369 --> 00:36:39,675
We all jumped on him
and we got the knife away.
656
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,635
♪♪
657
00:36:45,594 --> 00:36:47,857
Congressman Ryan
is sitting down
658
00:36:47,901 --> 00:36:51,121
and you can see blood
on the congressman's shirt.
659
00:36:51,165 --> 00:36:53,254
He was obviously shaken up.
660
00:36:53,298 --> 00:36:56,170
Somebody just tried
to kill him.
661
00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,564
Personally, what I felt was,
662
00:36:58,607 --> 00:37:02,089
"Oh, my God,
the leader is a murderer.
663
00:37:02,132 --> 00:37:06,180
I've been playing peace and love
and he's a [bleep] murderer."
664
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:07,616
♪♪
665
00:37:07,660 --> 00:37:11,838
I felt completely naive.
666
00:37:11,881 --> 00:37:15,581
By this time,
Jones is sitting there.
667
00:37:15,624 --> 00:37:17,539
And he's like this
and he starts...
668
00:37:17,583 --> 00:37:20,977
[chewing loudly, sucking teeth]
669
00:37:21,021 --> 00:37:23,415
"I've never felt Jonestown
so peaceful."
670
00:37:23,458 --> 00:37:26,331
♪♪
671
00:37:26,374 --> 00:37:29,203
And I got chills
all over my body.
672
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:33,294
'Cause Jonestown
had never been more in pain
673
00:37:33,338 --> 00:37:36,732
or more agony.
674
00:37:36,776 --> 00:37:38,865
It felt, literally, to me
like Jonestown
675
00:37:38,908 --> 00:37:41,476
was disintegrating
in front of my eyes.
676
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,480
♪♪
677
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:53,096
[Speier]
Out walks Congressman Ryan...
678
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,838
and he's got blood stains
on his shirt.
679
00:37:55,882 --> 00:37:58,145
He gets into the cab
of the truck
680
00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:02,018
and the truck takes off
for the airstrip.
681
00:38:02,062 --> 00:38:05,283
[airplane engine whirring]
682
00:38:05,326 --> 00:38:08,416
I thought, "Oh, my gosh,
we are so lucky.
683
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:10,549
I mean, we've just dodged
a bullet."
684
00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:12,725
♪♪
685
00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:14,857
There was an attempt
on Ryan's life,
686
00:38:14,901 --> 00:38:16,598
we've got these defectors,
687
00:38:16,642 --> 00:38:20,298
I'm still unsure about why
Larry Layton's on this truck,
688
00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:23,388
but we'll sort it out
when we get to the airstrip.
689
00:38:26,521 --> 00:38:28,044
For myself,
the feeling on that truck
690
00:38:28,088 --> 00:38:31,134
was terror, foreboding.
691
00:38:31,178 --> 00:38:33,572
♪♪
692
00:38:33,615 --> 00:38:36,357
I don't think there was
a lot of talking going on.
693
00:38:36,401 --> 00:38:40,318
♪♪
694
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,758
[Guinn]
It's six miles
to Port Kaituma.
695
00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:47,629
The roads are narrow.
Thee roads are muddy.
696
00:38:47,673 --> 00:38:50,893
It's gonna take a little while
to get there.
697
00:38:50,937 --> 00:38:55,463
They're gone maybe 10 minutes
when a tractor...
698
00:38:55,507 --> 00:38:57,683
pulls out of Jonestown
after them,
699
00:38:57,726 --> 00:38:59,511
and there's a number
of men on it--
700
00:38:59,554 --> 00:39:02,992
six, seven, eight--
all armed.
701
00:39:03,036 --> 00:39:04,864
And they disappear too.
702
00:39:04,907 --> 00:39:07,388
♪♪
703
00:39:07,432 --> 00:39:10,130
[Carter]
At this point in time
in the pavilion,
704
00:39:10,173 --> 00:39:12,698
I'm kind of afraid
'cause I helped save
the congressman's life.
705
00:39:12,741 --> 00:39:18,399
So I started kind of easing
my way out of the pavilion.
706
00:39:18,443 --> 00:39:22,055
I walked back to the cottages,
and I felt, literally,
707
00:39:22,098 --> 00:39:23,926
like there was a target
on my back.
708
00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:28,931
It felt like I had
a sniper's scope on my back.
709
00:39:28,975 --> 00:39:32,282
[exhales]
710
00:39:32,326 --> 00:39:35,198
[voice breaking]
This was so hard.
711
00:39:35,242 --> 00:39:39,159
I get back to the cottages
and Gloria's there with Malcolm.
712
00:39:39,202 --> 00:39:41,422
And she was laying down
on the bed.
713
00:39:41,466 --> 00:39:44,730
And Malcolm was playing
on the floor with his toys.
714
00:39:44,773 --> 00:39:47,210
And I said, "Do you know
what's happening up there?"
715
00:39:47,254 --> 00:39:48,734
And she shook her head, "Yes,"
716
00:39:48,777 --> 00:39:52,955
and we just started
holding each other,
717
00:39:52,999 --> 00:39:55,871
and I said, "I'm afraid
we're all gonna die."
718
00:39:55,915 --> 00:39:58,874
[ominous music]
719
00:39:58,918 --> 00:40:03,183
♪♪
720
00:40:03,226 --> 00:40:05,490
[Guinn]
At Port Kaituma,
721
00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:08,014
Ryan, because there's
so many people coming,
722
00:40:08,057 --> 00:40:10,669
has called ahead asking
that an extra plane come,
723
00:40:10,712 --> 00:40:14,020
that there would be two planes
instead of one.
724
00:40:14,063 --> 00:40:17,980
♪♪
725
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,768
They're still sorting
that out
726
00:40:22,811 --> 00:40:25,118
when Leo Ryan
is going to go ahead
727
00:40:25,161 --> 00:40:28,991
and give an interview
to the TV crew on the tarmac.
728
00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:31,516
Did he say anything
when he came up?
Yeah.
729
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,475
He said something about, uh,
rob and choke and kill
730
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,738
and, uh-- or knife.
I don't-- I don't know.
731
00:40:36,782 --> 00:40:38,523
But the obvi--
What he said was,
732
00:40:38,566 --> 00:40:42,048
he intended to kill me.
733
00:40:42,091 --> 00:40:45,181
[Speier]
Congressman Ryan is talking
to some members of the press.
734
00:40:45,225 --> 00:40:48,489
I start to board passengers
onto planes.
735
00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:51,623
And I'm boarding
the smaller plane first.
736
00:40:51,666 --> 00:40:57,367
[Gosney]
Myself and Larry Layton were
assigned to the small plane.
737
00:40:57,411 --> 00:40:59,674
[Speier]
Congressman Ryan,
at this point, has come over,
738
00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:03,939
and I says, "You know,
I don't trust Larry Layton.
739
00:41:03,983 --> 00:41:06,812
I don't want to be
on the same plane."
740
00:41:06,855 --> 00:41:08,770
One of the press people
is there
741
00:41:08,814 --> 00:41:11,860
and I said,
"Would you just frisk him?"
742
00:41:11,904 --> 00:41:14,428
He frisks him.
743
00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:15,560
Doesn't find the gun.
744
00:41:15,603 --> 00:41:17,692
[vehicle approaching]
745
00:41:17,736 --> 00:41:23,785
[Guinn]
All of a sudden, in comes
the tractor from Jonestown.
746
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:27,485
They're starting to think,
"Uh-oh, there's trouble."
747
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:36,015
And all of a sudden,
there was this noise.
748
00:41:36,058 --> 00:41:38,583
[gunshots]
749
00:41:38,626 --> 00:41:40,454
[Gosney]
I looked out the window
and said,
750
00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:44,197
"They're killing everybody.
They're killing everybody."
751
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,505
[gunshots]
752
00:41:47,548 --> 00:41:50,464
[gunfire echoing]
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