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Hey everybody, welcome back to Plug Talk.

My name is Adam22.

I am joined by my lovely wife, Lenna the Plug.

Hello everybody.

And today we are having a sit down with a girl who,

I think, can we both agree?

She's a total baddie.

Big booty, I love it.

Big booty, so they call her Big Booty.

Juliana Cabrazia.

Yes, that was good.

Got it, I like it.

Okay.

Usually mess up names a lot easier than that,

so I'm pretty proud of you.

Usually if there's an, I'll say, a or vice versa.

I feel like something is wrong.

I think my name's a little difficult, so that was good.

So you deal with this quite a bit?

Yes, I usually get Juliana.

Juliana?

Yeah.

Okay, I'm gonna say that for next time.

Okay, so tell us a little bit about

where you're coming from, your early days.

My early days?

Yeah.

Before OnlyFans?

Sure, yeah.

I used to waitress was a dancer

for about three years in Miami.

Okay, so you're from Miami?

I'm from Jersey.

Jersey.

We're going really back.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm from Borden Raisin, Jersey.

Okay.

And you decided to take off to Miami at what age?

When I was 18, I went to college there.

Okay.

And what kind of kid were you before you took off to Miami?

I don't wanna say I was a very good kid.

Partying that type of vibe.

Okay, so you were not necessarily doing the best stuff?

No, I was making all the wrong decisions.

Okay, understandable.

You got into college, so it couldn't have been that bad.

Yeah, but I didn't graduate, so.

So you got into college.

So what was college like though?

College was mostly not going to class

and drinking every day.

Were you stripping while you were in college?

No, no.

No, I was actually nannying.

That was my first job.

Okay, much like her.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, and so at what point do you realize,

like, oh, this college thing's not working out?

Well, I guess when they took my tuition away.

Really?

So you had a scholarship at one point.

Yeah.

Okay.

But I didn't go to class,

so I guess you kind of have to go to class

in order to keep that.

Right, okay.

And so you were just,

what kind of crowd were you hanging out with

that you were doing all this partying?

I mean, college kids, same crowd.

I mean, it wasn't anything crazy,

but it was definitely like going out every day

and just not really focusing on

what I should have been focusing on.

I just wasn't really like a school person.

Okay.

Just wasn't for me.

So you lose the tuition or the scholarship,

you get booted out of the dorms

or wherever you're staying, I'm assuming.

Yeah.

And you're just like, fuck it, I'm gonna strip.

No, then I started waitressing for three years.

I didn't really like know what I wanted to do.

And then after waitressing for a little bit in Miami,

of course, you start meeting some girls who are dancing

and you're hearing all these stories.

So I kind of had to find out for myself

if it was everything they were saying.

Okay, so you were hearing about this lifestyle,

but you weren't really sure if you wanted to go for it.

Yeah.

Were you kind of modest or were you more out there?

No, I've definitely always been pretty open

with my sexuality and it definitely wasn't out of my realm.

I was super nervous though, my first dancing day, but.

Yeah, break it down for us.

What's it like going in there?

It was, I haven't thought about it in a while.

Put on my heels, put on a little Braun Panny set

and it was a full nude club,

which I didn't know until I walked up for the audition.

So that was fun.

So auditioned like you danced that night.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

You walk up on the stage where everyone's already there

and you get up, literally, I felt like I was like,

it was like a dream.

I wasn't really thinking about it.

Did you have to drink a little?

I mean, what did you do?

No, you just went up there.

Went up, got naked, did a little twirl and was hired.

So you do the audition and nobody who's in the club knows

it's an audition, they think you're just a girl

going out there?

Correct, yeah.

And there were people already tipping me while I was there.

So I was like, I think I got this.

I guess I have to test girls that way

because it's like, how would they know that you're going

to be able to do the same thing in front of all those people?

Right?

Like you can do it for one person.

Yeah.

But also, if you run a strip club and some girl comes out

and just totally bombs, it's like whatever.

You just don't bring her out again, right?

Or take your time with it.

I feel like it's hard to bomb.

Yeah.

You're just walking around naked.

You're just walking around naked.

Twirl, bend over a little bit.

That's my step.

So many of the strip clubs I've been to in my life,

it's like, what were the girls really doing?

Some girls do go out there and go crazy

with the acrobatics.

But it's like one out of the ten girls are doing that.

Yeah, I was not one of those girls.

I just bent over and shook.

That's the one thing about having an ass is like, you don't really need a do much.

You could just bend over and shake a little bit.

Yeah.

Everyone's happy.

So your ass was already naturally pretty impressive at that time?

Yeah.

Always.

It was always your strong suit?

Apparently.

Yeah.

Even when I was like, I mean, when I was 19 and like, I first started, I was like, 88

pounds, like super skinny.

I just had this like big.

You were 88 pounds and you started stripping?

Yeah.

Like when I was like 19.

Oh, okay.

What?

That is so tiny.

Yeah.

I was, I was little.

You were short, but yeah.

Wow.

So, okay, how long were you in the strip club lifestyle and what do you think of it?

Three years.

I loved, I only ever worked at one club and I was like super, I feel really fortunate

to have worked there because it was like really safe, great, like vibe, good people.

Great money.

It was, it was definitely like life changing to start like in sex work that way.

Really?

We're okay.

When people here strip club, they always are going to assume or at least wonder if you

were doing cedar things sketchier things.

Not allowed there.

Nothing like that.

Some clubs are super straight.

It's the biggest, one of the biggest clubs in Miami too.

What club is it?

Scarlet's.

I've heard a lot.

I've heard a lot.

I've heard a lot.

I've heard a lot.

I've heard a lot.

I've heard a lot.

It inspired me.

I was just talking to him.

That was like a hard cut home.

Making out nothing.

Really?

Nothing.

Yet it was a full contact club.

They could still touch your tits, touch your ass, just not your Gucci.

Can you rub their dic through their pants?

If you want to too.

I was just kind of hard to monitor.

Not even the private rooms, were they watching on camera and stuff?

I mean some people would say in the club that they have certain girls there that they

would let slide but I'd never saw anything like that before. Was there any like crazy

stripper drama that you remember? I mean there's oh I feel like when you have a bunch

of naked girls working for money there's always a little drama but nothing too

honestly that's I feel really fortunate because it was such a like good atmosphere.

Well why did you end up leaving? I started only films. Okay. Really? I want to ask this too though

but while you're still stripping um I assume you're in Miami there's a lot of guys with money

famous guys etc. Yeah. They're coming in and they're like damn near fallen in love with you

because they're getting a lab dance from you and you're like I feel like then you're invited to

the mansion party. You're invited on the yacht. Was there a lot of that kind of stuff happening?

There was invitations like that but I'm not really that type of I can't hang out with somebody

like that unless I'm like actually into them. So I never really ventured out like that. So you

never met any guys that you had a vibe with while you were there? Not really. Really? I mean that's

not true okay because we could drink there so there were some times I would like fall in love

with the customer but I think it was just the whiskey and not necessarily the person. Then I'd

wake up the next day and be like why was I talking to this person like that? No. So you have boyfriends

while you're living the stripper lifestyle or no? No. I haven't had a boyfriends since I was like 21.

Really? Yeah. Almost 10 years. You're just too independent? Yeah. 10 years. Yeah. Being single.

And any guys are even like talking to me. I mean I've went out with people. I've

doubled in it but I feel like once I start dating someone I always realize I don't want to date

anybody. I'm not a monogamous person and I feel like it's hard to find somebody that's like on

that same level and feels the same way. So the problem is that you just can't keep your dick

in your pants? Basically. Yeah. So do you always just have a nice roster going of different

guys that you spend time with or is it just porn stuff? Unless the interest I also don't like to

do hookups. I'm not like a one. I haven't hooked up. I know. No. No. It wasn't for me too.

It would be celibate. Basically. The only time I've had sex, I haven't had sex like a hookup with

somebody since a year and a half ago. But so you're shooting content with other guys. Yeah. Obviously.

Would you date a guy who was also in the same industry as you and didn't want to be monogamous

and wanted and you guys could like both do content? I think that's like my only like dating pool.

Okay. I feel like it's such a small pool and I haven't really found anyone that I was like

vibing with like that. Okay. I had one a date but yeah, I'm definitely open a date someone in the

industry. I feel like I kind of have to at this point. I think you find the girls who don't want

to date anyone in the industry and then I guess you're you're one of the ones who wants to. I mean,

if I were to find someone who isn't in the industry and we've Ibed together and that's what it was

and okay but definitely like they'd have to be okay with me sleeping with other people. Well,

you could be like her and just meet a normal guy and then get him into the industry and now

I feel like even if me and you were to break up, I would probably still be in the industry.

I feel like it takes like a certain like it's not I feel like it's not easy to film though.

People think it's easier to film porn than it actually especially for a guy. Yeah. I don't

think it's that easy. No, it's not it's not for everybody. And you definitely have to have like a

knack for it. Yeah. You got to be a naturally horny fuck. Naturally. And no one ambitions and not

shine from the camera. Keeping it up. Being able to come on command and hold a camera at the same

time is like a lot of work. Yeah. If you're a POV guy, for sure. Yeah. You're holding up that DSLR

at the same time. Yeah. Oh my god. For God. It's for God. Heavy those are. So okay. Who starts telling

you about OnlyFans? So I mean, I was dancing. So there were a lot of girls there who were

dabbling in it. And I mean, I would start working with photographers and stuff like that just shooting

for Instagram for like fun. Like I wasn't really doing anything with it. And then I would start

hearing through the grapevine like girls are making XML. And I was like, what? That's crazy. No,

they're not. Because a lot of times when you go to a strip club, that is what's going through your

mind. If you're sort of business minded like us where you're thinking like, this girl's hot. Why

she not only fans right now at this moment? Well, and I feel like it just started getting popular

though. Like this was back in 2019. Okay. Early 2019. Pre pandemic was definitely a different era.

Yeah. So I started my only fans in November 2019. So I was like right on the cusp of the pandemic.

It was like the perfect time to start. Mm. Definitely. Okay. So you start doing the OnlyFans thing.

And are you just going full throttle sex stuff on there right away or how long they'll take?

Of course I join and I'm like, I'm never going to do boy girl. It's just going to be solo. I'm not

going to do that. Then I start making the money. And I'm like, okay, well, if I'm going to make

more than this, I guess I could try it. But that was back when you were like allowed to like put

cucumbers in your vagina. And it was okay. You could do like all different kinds of solo content.

Yeah. And then how long did it take for you to actually do the boy girl stuff?

Three months. 24 hours. She told me when she signed up, she's like, yeah, I might finger myself a

little bit next day. Oh, can I send your dick? I'm my fans? That's not true. I mean, it's not.

It's life changing money. I mean, it's not like it's like a little bit more. I mean, it was like,

it's way more. This is like completely changing. Like the truth is not how I want to happen.

I have to refresh your memory. No, literally her first month on OnlyFans, though, she went from

making like probably a couple thousand dollars a month to like 30,000 dollars. But you have to

remember, I was already doing you doing boy girl before I started and OnlyFans. I was doing it on

Private Snapchat. Yeah. Well, I was talking about Private Snapchat. No, that's not how it happened.

I was doing solos. And then me and you and Taylor White fucked. And we like, well, let's film this.

And that was months later. Yeah. But I remember you telling me like, like, yeah, I just started on

Private Snapchat today. And like you had said, like, I'm just going to finger myself. And you're like,

no, I'm down to do whatever. I don't care. You're just straight up like, I don't care. I'm over it.

It's kind of crazy how I could change your mindset.

Doing a bunch of solos gets like pretty boring. You're just by yourself. There's not a lot to work

with it. Yeah, it is. But I definitely have a big fan base for that too. I agree. I do too. I

sometimes am like shocked by how much the solos can produce income-wise versus like a boy girl,

especially if it's like focused on my ass. That's like what, sometimes it sells better than like my

boy girl stuff. What does your audience want from you with your butt? Like, do they want you to

dominate them? Like, what is their interest with you? Assworship. Assworship. Okay.

Assworship, J-O-I or a boy girl face-hitting or like using like a doll or something and face-hitting

on that. Just coloring it. Because it like, look, because they don't want it to actually be a

person. They wanted to like pretend that it's them. Wow. Yeah. Like a sex doll. Do you have a giant

nail sex doll stuff like that? Yeah. That's a poor teddy bear. Yeah.

Wait, would you ever text a guy in the industry and you're like, hey, I want to collaborate with

you, but like I need to sit on your face for three minutes? Yes. So, boy girl face-hitting is

probably one of my biggest ones. I get a lot of like customs that ask for that too. They just,

they just want my, they don't want us to fuck or anything. They just want like me sitting on their

face. I'm open to that. Yeah. They don't get bored three minutes of just not no movement. Just sitting.

Three minute, no. Like, well, it's very aggressive. So, I kept getting asked in particular to do

Brazilian style face-hitting. Are you familiar with that? No. No. It is very, very aggressive,

specific type of face-hitting. So, it's not just me sitting on someone's face for three minutes.

It's like me like suffocating them to the point where they're like thrashing.

Wow. So, the guy's like pretending to die or? Kind of, one, yes. I mean, one time I went a little bit

too far and he passed out in my ass and I didn't realize it at first. Yeah. And you kept going?

I kept going and then I thought he was, I thought he was just like playing and then I was like,

wait, this guy's passed out. So, you're telling me that there's no leakage. There's no, it's a

straight seal. Like your ass is in my face and it's like, I can't breathe even if I wanted to.

I'm thinking like, I could propel you off of me if I needed to, right? Yeah, but I-

I just happened too fast. And I sit with like their arms underneath me. So, like, they can't.

Wow. Really strangling them. It's like the UFC. We need Herb Dean to come like, you know, like,

so that if he tap out, like, play your part. Okay. So, then you get off the guy and then

why you like shake him awake or what happens? So, he opened his eyes within 10 seconds, but within

that 10 seconds was like terrifying for me because I was like, oh my god, like, what if like, I off

this guy like? What if I'm a murderer? That's what I was like with this. Be considered manslaughter.

That's insane. Like what the courtroom be like? He's thinking about legal defenses and stuff.

Literally within like 10 seconds. I had like all this go through my head and then he started

moving and I was like, all right, sorry. I went a little too far. Holy shit. What was he like?

But he liked it. Yeah. I was trying to like it. He liked it. Yeah.

Wow. That's awesome. You might have to demonstrate that for us here. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie.

You might have to sign something though. Just in case. Yeah. If I die, I want to do that.

Yeah. No, but I mean, I'm not gonna lie. If I were to be a civilian copying either of your

only fans, that probably would be what I want. I want to ask worship. Yeah. I want to possibly die

in there or at least see you do that with someone else. Sniff it. Yeah. That makes sense for me. Sniff it.

Look at it. Yeah. That's the that's the breakdown. That's kind of cool for you. You don't have to do

a lot. You just sit there and obviously holding their legs with their knees, but and it's fun.

Is it? Yeah. Just sitting down. All the joy of sitting in a chair. It's it's humping. It's like,

it's really like intense. You know, look up Brazilian face sitting because it's very I think

it's different than what you I like when I can learn about something new on this set sexually.

I'm like, never heard of this one. I did it like a deep dive and I was like, oh, this is like,

and are you Brazilian? No. Oh, I was like, that would have been cool. People think I am though.

Yeah. Right. I have a lot of work. That is what I was assuming too. Even though when I think about

your last name or is that your real name? No. No. But my first name's my real name and it's the way

it's spelled is like very Italian. Yeah. Okay. Like Giuseppe, Juliana. Your big butt though. I was

like, maybe she is Brazilian. I know. And then I like on me, people on person and I talk and they

like expected me to have some sort of exotic accent and then they're like disappointed. Like,

not just from Jersey. Yeah. When I was looking at your name, I was thinking that like, oh, this

girl, I'm not going to speak great English. Yeah. No. Wow. So, okay, like, how deep into the porn

game are you at this point? Are you planning on doing the the real stuff, the real studio stuff?

It's funny that you say that I just booked my first mainstream for next month. Really? Yeah.

Are you excited? I'm excited. I'm nervous. But I'm because I feel like I don't film

that way, like that professional type of way. But I'm excited. What made you want to try it?

I don't know. I just want to try something new. I want to like branch out a little bit. I feel

like I've done a lot for what I've done this far that I kind of want to get a little bit more into

like the mainstream public eye a little bit. Do you know what kind of scene it's going to be?

Boygirl. Boygirl with browsers. Very excited. Fun. Yeah. Have you have you mostly worked with

like civilian size dicks on camera or do you get the big ones as well? So, I only shoot with

people that are like really in the industry. Okay. So, they all have like massive horse cocks. So,

I'm used to like that. Right. What about in your your well, I was going to ask about your personal

life, but you made it sound like you're not having a ton of sex in your personal life. Or are you?

Not lately. No. Yeah. I mean, for like what I don't really like the massive I prefer average

if I'm going to like. Hell yeah. Yeah. I don't think you're average. I've seen your videos. It's

not average. I don't know. Now I don't know what to bullish. It's above average. This is.

Well, C plus is above average too. B plus. I mean, I'll give you my my dick rating. Oh, I love that.

That's my forte. How often are you shooting? Now that I moved to LA, I'm shooting way more than

I than I was before. So, before I moved, I only moved to LA two months ago. Oh, before before this,

I was in Arizona and there was no one to shoot with. Yeah. I honestly like kind of took a little

hiatus from shooting boy, girl, I put out maybe like three or four in the last year. But now that

I'm out here. How'd you end up in Arizona? Why? It was a long I visited there. Honestly,

and kind of just fell in love. And I was done with Miami. I just wanted something new.

It was it was kind of random. It was kind of boring once you've been there for a while or I

I liked it. I think it's a great place to live. But for working and wanting to like grow and

stuff like that, it's not where yeah, you don't hear about that many. There's nobody there.

There's two people. That was it. I like Arizona. But yeah, if I was trying to like

make something out of myself or do something with my life, it doesn't seem like it would be the best.

Yeah, I would hear there's definitely like more opportunity. Probably the best. Miami,

LA school, the best thing you can say about Arizona is it's close to Vegas and LA, right?

Like at least from a porn star perspective. It was. I mean, the weather was I like living there.

Like I feel like if you're like in a settled down, have a family, it's nice. It's out landishly hot,

yeah. Isn't it super hot? I didn't mind it. Really? There's no humidity. So it really wasn't that

about 110 degree weather there is like 80 in Miami. So I was kind of used to it. Okay, I like it. So

all right. What else anything else that you want to do with your career that we should know about?

Or are you just excited to be branching on into mainstream stuff? Excited to be branching in a

mainstream. I'm happy that I'm in LA now so I can like actually start working with more people

because I really haven't collabed with like that many like models or like big name people yet.

So definitely. Well, you want to get settled? I want you to get settled. I want to watch.

I can go back and forth. You don't want to make up.

Oh, it's definitely above average. This ass is way above average.

That is true.

All right. So there's arch. She doesn't have to do anything. It's like not even arching.

You're not even arching. Yeah. Jesus.

We got.

No, you're not one.

All the way. There you go.

She wants to do throw it now. There you go. Yeah.

I think that looks too much gorgeous.

Yeah.

Let's do the reveal here.

Jesus.

Such a fat.

Yeah.

And just to remind you it's real.

It is?

Yeah.

Seriously?

Yes.

Whoa.

I almost asked her men interview.

Yeah.

Holy shit.

Damn.

You're ready.

Oh, yeah.

All right. Let's see this.

Yes.

Arf.

How long did you play that style?

I can see why this guy passed out. Holy shit.

I was it. Oh my god.

You breathe?

Holy fuck.

You could see how it goes.

Pass it down there.

All right.

I'm making it take it.

I'll be nice.

I'm not going to lie though. I'm in my happy place down here.

You're getting too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's me.

Oh, honestly, I just really enjoyed watching this.

You're passing out yet?

I'm not going to pass out because I can tell you're taking it easy.

Yeah.

Top two.

You stay right there.

Stay.

Are you okay?

Yeah.

You don't get it.

It'd be fun.

I'm letting him breathe a little.

So shagging full red.

Yeah.

You need.

Oh, that's a surprise.

I'm really getting the nerve.

Yeah.

Oh.

Oh, my God.

That's so much fun.

You have a tie?

Wow.

I definitely never eat that much else.

I'm going to be with work.

You ready?

I'm ready.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

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Oh.

Oh.

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Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

You have your ass.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, you're so straight here.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

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Oh, my God.

Oh.

There you go.

I've got it right.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh, my God.

Oh.

Oh, my God.

You're on you.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Oh.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

I've got a lot of ants out there.

She's all caty or edgy.

No, look.

Look at that shit.

Look at that.

That's what I got so Maz.

I don't know exactly what he's going to do,

Maybe she can stay right here in the pond.

We've got to bend you guys.

We'll put it together.

Damn.

Let's see what we can do.

Let's see what we can do.

Let's see what we can do.

Start going with our first.

Yeah.

Very good.

Find it.

I'm having a good night.

Oh, man.

I'm having acid on me right now.

Oh, man.

I'm having acid on me right now.

Mm.

Mm.

Let it open for you.

You.

Oh, you're right.

Holy ****.

Oh, my God.

I'm going to get it all the way up.

She likes it.

Oh, oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Your shirt looks fine.

Oh, my God.

Your shirt is fine.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

You're going to push me really fast.

I'm going to push.

Oh, my God.

I'm going to push you.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Sorry.

Oh, my God.

Why am I gonna go back?

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

She really knows what to do with that.

Oh.

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Oh, oh.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh my God.

I can't believe it.

Oh my God.

It really is something that's amazing.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Oh.

Look at all that ass. Are you kidding me?

It's a little minor bug compared to you.

Oh my god, your ass looks so fucking good.

Oh, like we did, yes.

It's not so fucking good, yes.

Oh.

Oh my god, I'm going to be so fine.

Oh my god.

Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

You can go back with your ass.

You're so fucking good.

You are so good.

So cute.

Oh my god.

You look so fucking pretty doing that.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

You look good, you too.

Oh.

Oh, yes.

Oh yes.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Is that pussy cake?

Oh.

Oh my god.

Oh, fuck.

Oh, fuck.

Oh, fuck.

Oh, fuck.

Oh my god.

You're so good at jiggling that ass.

Oh my god.

Oh, fuck.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh, fuck.

Oh yes.

Oh, fuck.

Oh, fuck.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

We got lucky today, babe.

We got lucky today.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh.

Oh my god.

Oh.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yes.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

The perfect condition of my period.

Oh my god.

you're like taking his company

you can't?

you can't cover right now

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balancing my ass

stretching me out

oh my goodness

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my turn

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oh yeah let's do that all of it was juicy ass

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oh my god

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oh my god that is a huge load

it's never ending