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All right.

Welcome back to Plug Talk.

I'm here with the lovely line of the plug.

Hi, everyone.

And today we are speaking to someone who we just a few months ago, uh, dig down together.

Well, I guess I was the dick mostly.

I was not the dick.

Right.

This is the one only Sherry Deville.

Oh, hello.

Did I pronounce it correctly?

Yes, you actually did, which is amazing.

No one ever does.

What are people saying?

Stead cherry.

Devile.

Sherry.

All kinds of crazy stuff.

Yeah.

Wow.

Well, I don't, I don't correct them that harshly, but yeah.

I just couldn't think of it going any other way, but that was just me.

Definitely.

You know, Sherry is cooking wine.

Sherry is a fruit.

Sherry is the name that.

Sherry.

Sherry developed.

Can I call you the mouth?

You can.

The mouth.

The mouth.

The mouth.

We were just talking about that.

Like there are certain things that you, you've been put into this milk category the whole

time of the industry because you actually entered the industry a bit later.

So it's kind of an interesting plot that you have going here that's different than

a lot of people.

Yeah, I think most, I would imagine most people start when they're pretty young.

That's the age when we're the most attractive and you make the most money important.

But then there was this change.

I don't know if it was like Lisa Anne when she did that nail and pale and thing, but

in the early 2000s, the whole genre of milk became huge and there weren't many people

to fill that role.

Some people like Julie Anne started when she was young and then did teen and then babe

and then up to milk.

But there's a few of us that started now that it's a thing as like full ass adults.

Right.

So what were you doing for all those years?

Because you hopped in as the porn world at what 34?

32, 33, 34, somewhere in there.

Okay.

What were you doing with your life prior to that?

I'm still a physical therapist.

Oh, okay.

That's amazing.

I think it's so cool.

What you told me that I was like, that's amazing.

Wow.

So was that that's what you went to school for?

And that's what you did for your whole adulthood?

Yeah, it turns out my vagina makes like way more money to my brain.

I would actually assume that.

No offense.

It's just it's the same thing as kind of the giant vagina.

She's, you know, she's she's she's a money maker and I'm glad and I can just sort of

let the brain part, you know, take a little bit.

When you were just a civilian where you engaged with your sexuality to or you running around

any streets, were you in a relationship?

What was that?

I didn't do this anymore.

Just out of respect for my coworkers.

But I was a huge swinger.

I would go to swingers clubs every weekend.

Fuck whoever I the exhibition.

I liked fucking when people were watching.

I liked being invited into people's relationships.

Like, yeah.

Oh, okay.

So how did you get into that?

And this is very interesting.

Yeah, I'm very interested.

The swinger world.

We went to one party, which might end up telling you about a bit later.

I've talked about on the podcast like a million times, but I'm interested.

How did you find out about that world?

And how did you, what were the first couple of times like?

It was a little bit of hard work because my first couple of times were terrible.

It's actually hard to find a club and I would recommend private clubs.

And this is going to sound awful.

But for me, I like the clubs where you have to submit your resume.

Okay.

You have to show your picture and then you're either let in or not.

So that to me, I enjoy certain types of people.

I enjoy attractive people.

So, you know, if you go to one of those clubs, that's a little more exclusive.

You don't feel like this crazy long resume when you go?

No.

And it also, at least when I was in Nashville, Tennessee, I think it was part of the legality

of having it because it was never at people's houses.

It was at a pre-standing club that's only purpose was to be a swingers club.

Three stories of like stages and like couches and all kinds of different like interesting

equipment and stuff like that.

So in order to have alcohol and people and sex, it had to be a private club.

Right.

So that was the way to.

Yeah.

The application process makes total sense to me because I mean, picture being in an average

club, what percentage of the people in this club do you want to have sex with?

Like probably not.

I like that.

Do you ever play that game at the airport?

Who's genitals?

Would you put in your mouth?

Yeah.

Because I do that in my head all the time.

I'll be like, babe, who's genitals?

Would you put in your mouth right now?

That's me board in high school looking around the science class thinking if I had to have

sex with someone in here, who would it be?

I'm like really trying to rank them in my head because I was that board.

I haven't done that in probably 20 years.

That's what you're doing in science class.

At least sometimes.

Yeah.

Wow.

Never thought about giving science class.

I'm not going to lie.

I mean, sometimes you just think like if I had to reproduce with someone who would be.

Yeah.

So okay.

The swingers clubs, once you start going like, what was your first time?

Like, do you just go crazy on your first time?

My first few times were not in this private club.

So I was like, I don't know if I'm going to like it.

I'd find like the one or two cute people at the club and like bang them and it was fine.

But it wasn't like the experience that I had like the fantasy in my head.

What was the fantasy?

I just wanted to see.

Yeah.

I wanted to see it.

My head is probably like anyone you imagine going into a room with like scantily clad

gorgeous women on the stripper poles and they might not be all out to bang you, but they're

all ready to bang tonight.

Right.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

That's my so just beautiful people scantily clad ready to bang and you're still into

the swinging thing.

Like if you weren't working, if I weren't working, I would definitely do it.

Yeah.

I feel like working satisfies.

What's the exact same thing?

Working and swinging are kind of the same in that you get to have awesome sex without

the emotional strings.

So work totally fills that void for me.

It's a little bit less spontaneous though.

Do you miss like the spontaneity of not knowing who you're going to land?

Yes.

The part I miss the most is the chase.

It turns out I like the chase as much as I like the sex.

I like especially with women.

I feel like it's a challenge.

And when you get to bang them after like flirting and whatever you do, it's like feels really

emotionally successful.

But it's the sex club.

Yeah.

It takes away some of the challenge, right?

Because you're sort of going in there and it is it almost like everybody there is just

going to be down to fuck you.

Have you put in the request or an incredibly high percentage?

You're still going to try to say.

It's hard to say.

We'll be together.

And yeah, you'll find like you'll find maybe a couple you like and it's almost like everyone's

like vetting each other for a job interview that's happening at 3am.

Right.

Like you're there at 11 and you know for the next few hours, everyone's like, you know,

I definitely feel like that was so fun.

Is everybody hooking up like right there in front of you or is it kind of like later

on things just start to go down?

Everyone's different.

You know, there's always like the people that are like making out on the dance floor

and this and that and then at least in the clubs I've been to there are areas for exhibition,

right?

Where anyone is allowed to walk by or completely in the open and then areas that you can close.

Like you find a few people that you like, you go off into a private room.

How many people are there?

Sorry.

I just like very curious how what this looks like all these people fucking at the same

place.

Is it like 100?

100?

Okay.

Not that maybe.

And so with giving me some hot experiences that took place in this kind of environment.

Like, because I'm sure that you have nights there.

Not so great.

You don't look at all.

Yeah.

There are plenty of nights where I just just never felt like the vibe with people.

I'd say like best for me best case scenario is finding a couple looking for a third because

I just I don't know that's like like stuff like this is like my jam for whatever reason.

Worst case scenario.

And this happens a lot like say there's like a time when I'm in a relationship or something

and that guy doesn't like to do full swap.

And then you're trying to find the unicorn is what they're called in the swingers world.

The single women that want to be with just you two is tough full swaps.

So it's hard to find the third even though you want to be that.

You just want a third.

Yeah.

That's hard.

I like to be the third, but it's hard to find the third.

Usually it's cold.

So if we were going on a hard time, if we went, okay, because it's hard to find a unicorn.

If you're a super hot chick, you got all kinds of options for getting dicks.

If you're a couple looking to fuck a girl, a little bit harder, you know, if you're just

a dude just trying to get some.

I still want to try and go to one of these one day because she's convincing me that it's

really fun.

It's so fucking fun.

Even if you just go and I've done this a million times and you just fuck who you came with

in public and you notice the crowd starts to build.

I don't know.

It really does it for me.

Wow.

Yeah.

It'd be weird to be funny.

You're like, we're doing a good job.

High five.

Look at us.

I'm doing it for money.

So I'd be weird to be doing it in front of a room of people for sure.

You're like, now, maybe.

But it turns you on.

So it's like, I'm a celebrity.

I ain't going to shit.

I'm going to be telling me and shit.

I was like, I'm going to go to war.

No, I bet there's a crazy no phones rule.

There better be right.

Absolutely.

No, I feel like everyone would mob you and take your phone for me if you put your phone

out and try to fill it.

Go prom ahead.

Here, I guess the concern would be celebrity.

It's LA.

Right.

But in Nashville, the concern is high level professionals.

Oh, right.

Oh, wow.

And it gets kinky.

I mean, there's dudes getting fucked in the ass.

There's sexual acts that you might not want to get out.

See that might be.

I mean, if I'm in the sex club and I start smelling dukey sex from my cover of the

bellows in the corner, I'm going to be like, uh, maybe this ain't the clip of me.

I don't know what to expect.

Our first AVN, we got really excited.

And we went to the sex party that they had like shuttles off to.

It was all low key.

And we thought like, oh, we're going to have so much sex tonight.

So much sex.

And then all we did was Adam watched his first guy get fucking the ass by a lady with a strap

on and he was just like, this is not interesting.

Never felt more vanilla in my life.

I'm dreaming about it.

And sure enough, people from like the BDSM community and shit were quote tweeting me

L.L. and at my ass being like, Oh my God, when the vanilla people show up at the sex

party and I'm like, yo, like I'm not allowed to be shocked by this guy getting railed out

in the ass by some chick.

Like, if that makes me vanilla, okay, fine.

I kept tracking his dick.

I was like, does he like it?

Maybe he likes it.

No movement.

You're like, you're like, you're like on your phone, trying to pick strap on.

You're like, no, never mind.

I was on my phone, like looking at Twitter, like just like, I don't want to look at this

shit.

Some other shit.

Okay.

But so you're doing the sex party thing for a while and whatever.

Then how did you actually make the move towards porn?

Did you ever strip or escort or anything like that?

No, it was actually super random.

So physical therapists make a nice salary.

But I've always been interested in the sex world.

So I thought it would be fun to do nude modeling.

That's it.

Just nude modeling on the weekend for, um, to know the site model mayhem.

Yes.

Amateur models, amateur photographers.

Right.

Basically they're paying to see you naked is the thing at the end of the day.

So I did that for a while.

Also my sexy jobs, it's kind of the same thing.

And then a headhunter for my current agency found me and was like, would you like to do

porn?

And I'm like, wait, what?

Do you ever thought about it?

Maybe in a vague fantasy way, but I didn't think I wouldn't know how to get that.

How do I, who do I call?

A lot of times when girls get in the industry, their story is like, well, I was 19 working

at a bar and some guy came in and asked me if I wanted to do a porn and then they sort

of, okay, yeah.

Sure.

A lot of people never get that.

Yeah.

People don't know how to like apply.

Yeah.

I guess so.

But where were you?

You were in LA, were you?

No, Nashville at the time.

Yeah.

But I would have never known.

If you're one of these parties and someone asked you to do porn, do you feel like it

doesn't seem that scary because you've already like had sex and put up other people?

I wasn't scared at all.

In fact, I was like the only, the only two things I did before I took my first job was

call my family and make sure I couldn't lose my physical therapy license.

Wait, you were the first?

Well, online.

Wait, you called the family.

It's online at the, I mean, I didn't want to, but.

But you were growing ass woman at that point too.

What are you going to do?

Like two years in, get a phone call and be like, Uncle Joey, so I won.

I mean, maybe you're not.

What did you do?

I mean, that's what I do.

That's what I do.

That's what I do.

I'm listening to my family.

No, I'm not.

He calls them and debuts them beforehand.

But like they're going to find out, like to me I have two choice.

Okay.

Three choices.

Don't do porn, but if you're going to do porn, which I really wanted to, you have two choices.

Create a rift by letting them find out on their own or tell them.

But what if you did one scene and it sucked, you hated it.

You never want to do it again.

And then you told your family you're going to do porn.

Would that be?

I didn't tell them I was going to do porn.

I told them what I thought I was going to do, which was go to LA for one week, shoot

the porn's that my agent got me and then be like, look at my crazy shit.

I did when I'm 90.

That was my whole goal.

You were going to get it filled in and not let them put it out.

No, I was going to let them put it out.

I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was

like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was

like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,

I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,

I know.

It wasn't, I came in at the tail end of the video era.

Right.

So I feel like even then you either were a porn star or

nothing.

Right, I don't know.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, you were either getting hired by the big companies or, I don't know, you was just

there's so many wear-

There's so many levels down.

Em procure, I don't know.

There'll be 20 or 30 years ago I feel like you could have done porn.

And maybe your parents never found out because

Oh yeah, VHS does.

That would have been a channel.

Not only physically get it, but admit to your child

or niece or whoever that you did a video and then you did.

And it's shitty quality, it's like VHS, so that's not me.

Like an anybody, it's HD.

Oh, yeah, man, I don't make up in the 90s.

You're really gonna love me.

You're saying your finger pants, that's you, good.

Oh, I'm just so shocked that you did it in such a grown up way.

I'm gonna call my family and make sure I can't lose my license.

Yeah, you were an adult.

You do five porns and now you've ruined your whole career.

What if I hated it?

Yeah, and wanted to go back to work.

But so did you absolutely love it at the first scene

or absolutely fucking loved it?

Really? Yeah.

What was your first scene like?

Well, my first, I did Girl Girl for years.

Oh, okay.

Because I wasn't sure about those boys.

So your first scene.

And their penises, I wasn't sure.

Your first scene, I mean, you didn't any several guys for years?

Years.

Wow.

Yeah, just because I thought maybe.

Is that the dicks were too big?

I thought the dicks might be too big.

And most importantly, I was concerned that like,

I had this like image of male talent being like jerks or something.

Really?

You know, I don't know if it's that I like to watch

really hardcore porn.

And I just wasn't sure like, are they actually mean?

Are they, you know, so it wasn't until I like met male talent,

became friends with male talent was like, oh, no, this is fun.

I feel like some of the words are totally not.

The nicest, softies, like sweethearts of you ever meet.

I feel like the guys who go really far in the porn world

are guys that women just really, really like like, yeah,

I have been at the bar and seen Jonny Sten's walk up

and just seen multiple different girls like jumping on this dude

and hugging them by their obsessed with him.

And I'm like, oh, like that, that's the top porn star right there.

Like the kind of guy that these girls love working with him.

Yeah, your vagina remembers if Jon is better.

I'll tell you that.

Oh, shit.

He leaves a memory.

Wow.

Yeah, I feel like I just hear girls say such nice things about him

and other big performers all the time.

They are so nice.

But so that's so you met some dudes.

You're like, all right, you're not going to kill me.

OK.

And then told my agent I was ready.

Right.

Yeah.

Were you just doing a bunch of lesbian milk porn then?

Yeah.

Wow.

Is it the big category?

You know, I only moved here to LA to work full time.

Five or six years ago.

OK.

So I was mostly just being a physical therapist

and like going to LA every other month and shooting porn

and then coming home and did you're just living my life?

I know.

Did my what?

Did your clients ever find out?

No one's ever said anything.

Wow.

To this day.

That's amazing.

That is amazing.

She used to help me with my 10th and 8th.

But now she's in the house.

People are pretty polite, don't you think?

Like, they might just not say it.

But even now, I don't know.

I mean, I try and kind of look really plain at work.

But I think I don't know if they're like,

this looks like a porn star.

I don't want to ruin this professional relationship

with someone who's helping me by saying something weird and sexual.

Also like super fucking professional.

Right.

Because you still practice now.

Yeah, a little bit.

But yeah.

Enough to keep my license.

I wouldn't say like I'm practicing.

I just work enough to keep my life so interesting.

So compared the feeling at the end of a scene

after shooting with a girl to the feeling

after shooting with one or more dudes who

have massive oversized eggplant cocks,

talk to me about is it different?

What's the day at work?

How different does it feel?

Well, physically, it's obviously harder to work with guys.

And it's not the dick, actually.

So that, yeah, some guys' dicks are on my no list

just because it's too much.

You know, you're a no list for that.

Wow.

I'm fine.

I mean, it's for anything, right?

If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit.

Nobody's going to want to see it.

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

Yes.

So that's it.

Yeah.

But I think the real hard part about boy-girl porn

is the athleticism involved in the positions that need

to be done on camera.

So girl, girl, not always, but 80% of the time

is a little more, it can be very passionate,

but it's more romantic.

Lots of the positions include one or more

of you just laying on your back, you know,

and you just maybe you're moving one leg

instead of being in six-inch stilettos,

doing 15 minutes of squats, seven inches off the ground

to ride a dick facing the camera with no eye contact

with the dude.

It's not quite as interesting.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So it's just like way more athletic.

Right.

So you're, I'm tired like I went to the gym.

No, I could definitely see that.

And you got a gnarly ass workout partner

who's just pushing you to the absolute limit.

Yeah.

But you have so many like endorphins

and it feels so good.

I feel like you push further than you would

if it didn't feel good.

But then right after the scene's done, you're like,

or like if you have to go back and do soft core,

you're like, I don't know, man.

I might be topped out.

That makes sense.

Let me ask you this.

Do you orgasm on set?

Has it happened?

Like how?

Not every time, but yeah.

How much enjoyment are you actually getting out of it?

And what's like the scene where you can remember

getting the most actual pleasure on your end?

Deepies.

Really?

I swear to God, every girl is about the DT.

Emily Willis was just in here.

She was saying the exact same thing.

Yeah, it's kind of insane.

It's like pressing every pleasure button at the same.

It's kind of almost like using a Hitachi for this first time.

It can be a little like, sensory overwhelming.

But for me, it's fun for two reasons.

The sensation, it touches everything you want it to.

And this might be because I'm a milf.

So milfs are almost always in complete control of the scene.

And I'm naturally submissive.

So that's fine.

But it's not.

You can't be that in control.

It doesn't flip all my switches.

Yeah.

And if you're in complete control of the scene, the dialogue,

the positions, and whatever one else is doing,

you're a little bit in your head.

So that takes away a little bit for me,

if I'm thinking too much.

But if there's two dudes, they're just throwing you around.

You're fucking ragged off.

I don't have to think.

I don't have to choose a position.

My only job is to get fucked and enjoy it.

But that's it.

But isn't that funny that probably the average person who

watches porn, if they see the DP, they're thinking

that there's no way the girl likes it.

And they're thinking it's just for the movie, just for the dudes.

They're just going to assume that the girl's not enjoying it.

That's interesting.

I think the girl enjoys it 10 times more than the dudes.

And I pick my dudes based on their relationship,

not my desire to fuck them.

Because it's so much more important that the dudes have

chemistry and I don't mean sexually.

Wow.

But it's like a dance.

And if the dudes don't know each other,

it actually doesn't feel good.

They're not vibing.

They're stepping on each other.

They're not vibing.

They're like, everyone's stroking at weird times.

They're fighting for the pussy.

No one wants to anchor.

There's weird masculine energy.

Things I've never thought about.

Yeah, it's a new girl.

Don't fight it for me boys.

No, it's kind of annoying.

I don't know if I would, yeah, doing a DP was somebody

that you were not close homies with.

Would you try to wear it?

But then doing it with your best homie would be also weird.

I feel like your DP no less is very long.

My best homies, yeah, yeah.

Like they're not like probably going to do DP with me anyway.

So it's like, you need like a medium homie, like someone

who's like about to be your best friend,

but they're not there yet.

So it's awkward.

But you're like, man, you're cool dude.

Yeah.

Like I would find my best to rub on yours a little bit.

It's all good.

Two years from now, you'll be best friends.

You got to find a new one, but you know.

Yeah.

So the vagina is fought over in the DP scenario.

The anal is a little bit less desirable.

It probably depends on the girl, but for me,

I like to be like really relaxed and my butthole

does open up pretty good.

So depending on their cock size, I think my vagina

would give more sensation than like after 30 minutes in my ass.

Right.

Yeah.

So much respect.

But anal is probably a lot more work

because you still have to be in control in anal.

And then you're doing the same exact reverse cowgirl,

but you're doing it in anal.

Right.

In a DP, you don't have to be like anything.

I feel like you're like in the air,

not even touching the ground half the time.

You're just getting fucked.

Yeah.

Not going to lie, she's making this out really good.

It's really good.

It's so good.

You still found one in an argument.

But so besides the DP's, anything in particular

that really stands out to you, that you've

getting a lot of pleasure from you.

Ever do big gang bangs and shit like that?

I do.

I like gang bangs.

It's similar in that.

The only problem with gang bangs,

at least the ones that I've done.

And you'll see this even in a lot of top performer gang bangs,

is you'll have like one to three good male talent.

And then everybody else is honestly spending 90%

of the time jerking off in the corner.

And then you don't know as the viewer,

because when they roll in, they roll in strong.

But then they're just jerking.

It's like kind of distracting.

Right.

And like, it's like, it might be hard.

One, is he going to get hard?

Two, like, am I attractive?

Like you're more like, I don't know.

It's a lot of penises to keep hard.

It's a lot of plates to keep in the air.

If I was going to produce a gang bang, it's like, yes, you do.

You probably want to pay the full rate for a couple

of top notch pros.

And then you might want to get like a couple of guys

who saw getting outside the home depot or whatever.

Like, yo, you knew your days work?

Let's go.

We're going to need tested stuff to buy your next little outfit.

Let's go.

It's almost like that.

Take a mazoon.

It's almost like that.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's great.

Where you're like, I've never met you after 10 years.

That's not good.

I can't stand watching porn where I could see the guy in the gang

bang in the corner, jerking off.

So I can't imagine being.

They do feel nuts sometimes.

Sometimes I see it.

And I'm like, get him the phone.

I'll be there.

They're like, the director will be like, so I cannot

have a shot and he is noodle.

I remember I came upon a boot hockey porn

when I was very young.

And that was a real eye opener for me.

Because, you know, I'm like 15 watching a boot hockey porn.

And you start to realize, like, oh, I just

watched 50 dudes jerk off on this kick.

They all have different dick sizes.

They all have different jerk off sizes.

Some of these dudes are having to go to town.

It's like really weird.

And that's what I'm pointing into how awkward this must

actually be at times.

Yeah.

Imagine this.

Imagine knowing that pretty much people aren't

going to get paid until you come.

And like, OK, the first guy comes.

You're like, no, I'm good.

I'm good.

The second guy comes, the third.

Now 20 people are waiting for you to come.

Like, how can you come like that?

But I don't doubt myself, though.

I feel like if I'm there to be part of the book,

I'm going to just walk up and do it.

Like, I don't really think.

Well, then you'd be one of the first guys to come.

You wouldn't be that guy in the corner going,

shit, I'm not getting paid.

I don't think I could get so nervous that I wouldn't be able to.

At least I've never been that.

I can only think of a couple times in my life

where I haven't been able to get hard.

One, it was the middle of the winter.

The girls' house.

I swear the walls on the house were so thin

that I could like feel the wound through the house.

That didn't work.

And then there's been a couple of times

where I was like depressed and I couldn't get hard.

Absolutely.

So the most part, I feel like, you know,

it's time to do it.

It's like, it's like banging a nail into the wall.

You were like, he's not being a mood, but I could do it.

Yeah, you're like, you're like, you're like, you like her?

You were good.

Yeah.

It is.

And he's just jerking off.

It's like, yeah.

Yeah.

I think, yeah, and then the worst is,

if they want you, the girl, to make all like however many of them come.

You know what I mean?

If they're jerking off, you're right.

You have control, but sometimes they want to see it happen with you.

And that's really hard to time with men that you've never jerked off before.

Right.

Like, I don't know you.

Would you like, you want me to touch your balls?

You want me to bite you?

You want me to be soft?

You want me to go fat?

I don't know you.

Like, I don't even have time to ask.

Yeah.

You know, there's so many people.

There's so many people.

So I don't even remember ever, whatever one wants.

And when you're watching like a book hockey scene,

like there'll be like two dudes like actually jerking off.

And then you will watch one guy who she like.

Yeah.

You fly in.

He's ready.

He can't miss this.

And it is so obvious.

And you're like, that's an amateur.

You need to go back to do your homework.

It's funny.

Wow.

This thing is a weird dynamic.

I feel like your wrists will just like fall off.

Yeah.

And then like, then you wonder, because like these people are also your friends.

You're like, did I pay like way more attention to one of them than the other?

Are they going to have her feelings?

Maybe the guys don't care.

But like I care.

I feel like you're letting us in on your personality.

Yeah.

You actually care about all these.

Yeah.

Just bags feel.

Yeah.

If you're working with them for, I mean, some people I've been working with for the past

10 years.

Wow.

So, you know, you don't want to roll on and be like, Oh, my work was Shari again today.

I remember a few years ago, which I like.

I feel like I hear this from a lot of girls.

They really do care about their own set relationships a lot because they want all the scenes going

forward to work really well.

You can't assume that you're not going to work with this person again, unless you put

them on your nose.

Of course.

Yeah.

So, if you both end up in the like A list, the group of working people, you're going

to work with them, especially men constantly.

There aren't that many A list dudes.

I feel like I work with the same 20 people just all the time.

Yeah.

So, when you go to Tommy, I like, Oh, people think I'm banging the different dude every

day in reality.

I'm just banging the same 30 guys over and over and over.

Kind of.

Yeah.

New people come in and stuff.

But yeah, but the top like if you're working for top companies, they're not gambling on guys.

They don't know.

So, same old, same old.

So let me ask you this.

In terms of your personal sexual life, how has porn sort of changed you?

Do you feel like you're getting a lot of the sort of deviant like crazy sexual energy

that you were looking for in the swingered clubs?

Do you get a lot of that from porn and that makes your normal day to day sex life a little

bit more normal or your relationship type at this point?

I actually, I mix it up, of course.

Like, I want to have the kinky sex.

I want to have this and that.

But now I really almost fetishize connected sex.

Like quiet, like some kind.

Like, and that was something that I didn't do that much before.

I wanted to be like, yeah, I just fucked and tossed around and this person in that.

And now I feel like there's like a place for me for that type of sex too.

Yeah.

Definitely.

I like it.

More rare now.

It's like, it's actually super special.

Yeah.

It's like a rare so that almost feels like the birthday anal or whatever it is for the

vanilla.

But if you stop doing porn tomorrow, then then it would have to change.

Yeah.

The thing, like there's normal dudes who like they only get anal on their birthday.

Don't you think?

Is that just in sitcoms or is that like a real thing?

I feel like you're probably right.

I haven't heard that before, but that might have just been getting like, you know, sitcoms.

Like, yeah.

I was a regular guy who had a girlfriend that didn't like anal then and I like, because

yeah, I feel like that's kind of what has like demystified anal to me.

I was young.

I was so obsessed with anal.

And now I'm like, I was a grown man.

I've done anal on the times.

When we first started hanging out, that's like, that's you were like, you're down with

anal.

I remember you were like really excited.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because that was before I was even doing like a lot of Snapchat or only fan stuff and you

were really interested in the fact that I was down to do that.

I remember.

No, yeah.

But now, now it's the same.

But for four years, it was down to do anal.

It's kind of having done it on camera so many times and stuff.

It does.

It doesn't have that thing that it used to have in my head where it's like, it's different

on camera though.

You think?

Well, for me, it's different on camera because of the outrageous amounts of prep.

Yes.

So when I haven't eaten, I have less energy.

So I feel like my at home anal is more fun.

Yeah.

Just because I'm like, like I got glucose.

I'm focused.

I'm there.

Yeah.

Not less pressure.

One thing I realized from Post Office clip of you on my Twitter earlier is that you have

a shitload of fans.

Like, how do you.

She's very popular.

Yeah.

How do you think about that?

Like, do you take a lot of consideration of what your fans want from you in terms of

your content and you engage with them a lot?

Does it make you feel really good when you post a new piece of content and you get this

crazy reaction from them?

Well, two things.

So like, I think it's because I'm 42, right?

So I did not grow up with any kind of digital friends.

Any kind of social media, my space, Facebook, any of that.

So I don't really feel like digital relationships are as real.

So I don't think I feel my fans as much as some people feel their fans.

They feel a little abstract to me, but I definitely consider what they want, especially now that

I'm marketing myself and selling my own stuff.

But the real people that made my brand wasn't me.

Like you made your brand, right?

You decided all your choices.

You made your brand.

I came in before making your own brand was relevant.

So they made me a milf and a stepmom and a cougar and all of those sort of like older

woman fantasies and built and a beautiful and amazing fan base for me.

So when I started building my own content, I'm like, all right, guys, we're going to do

this.

Like they're already there kind of.

Yeah.

And then so I just am still feeding into what was built for me.

But I get a different fan base and start doing only foot form probably.

But like this is the one that was kind of like pre-packaged and like handed to me.

But I didn't understand.

Do you have you stepped out of the stepmom, milf roll and has anyone?

I have a lot of variety in my content, but I definitely keep the milf tropes that I've

been given as sort of like, like a week doesn't go by that on like my only fans or whatever

platforms that I don't do some kind of whether it's my, you know, a neighborhood,

you know, kid or, you know, it's some sort of older woman fantasy is absolutely on a

weekly basis on my platforms.

Wow.

Yeah.

All your content is so scenario based.

I remember you only first worked together.

So like, like she was like, so what is your audience think Adam is?

Like do they know?

Who's your boyfriend?

I didn't want to say the wrong thing.

Yeah.

I'm like, we're on camera.

Like the cat out of the bag.

Yeah.

I'm like, you know, I just want to make sure what's his name.

Yeah.

But it's nice honestly to be like an anonymous porn star guy who can just easily like fit

into a lot of different roles.

Yeah.

Because for me, it's just so obvious.

You can never be my Uber driver.

He can never be an Uber driver.

We're having a dominoes shirt, but it's like obviously not a dominoes guy.

So it doesn't really work for me.

That's hilarious.

We should try making my steps on that.

That would be really funny.

That would be so funny.

It's bigger than you.

It seems like really, like if anything, you look at it.

You're like the step daughter thing, which wow, sounds creepy when you do it the other

way, but that's just like, I don't know.

That's just because you look like if anything, you are like much younger than me.

So I don't know.

Still no.

So I'm POV.

You just see the dick though.

They don't know how old that dick is.

But I got the tats.

Yeah, they know what was you.

It'd be a little bit of a suspension of disbelief.

Maybe I could brush my skin a different tone.

I'm going black for black tube area.

Something like that.

You know, like Jersey's someone's like, oh orange.

You got orange face.

You got orange face by the end?

It just looks like a jack-o-lantern.

Oh my God.

Well, that's how we...

I know a lot of the Japanese girls, they like them to look really pure.

So they'll spend like hours airbrushing their tattoos away before they film their scenes.

A lot of the top Japanese talent is heavily tattooed, right?

They're like Akusa adjacent, but they just make them look clean slate.

Wow.

They want to feed into that like submissive, like pure thing.

That's so interesting.

They just legalized tattoos in Japan.

Really?

That's weird.

Yeah, so you can like get them and I don't know what to say.

We can go to the spa now together.

Yeah, yeah, because we went to Japan and they wouldn't let us in the spa.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, wow, interesting.

That's crazy.

Yeah, I bet they cross the street when they see all your tattoos.

They're like, damn.

But you don't know anything about Japan?

Everybody is so polite.

Yeah, it's true.

It's not even like like they definitely do think I'm fucking weird as fuck, but they are so

polite that they won't even look at me and communicate the fact that they're, you know?

Right.

It's only a dude that all we did every day there was play Pokemon Go and that we're

not threatening at all.

Heck yeah.

They're so polite that they ain't even like, you know, you want to get in Japan.

Are there really good Pokemon in Japan?

Are there different Pokemon in Japan?

It's like the whole place is a Pokemon theme park.

Yeah, that's crazy.

But you know what I remember?

There was like girls who realized that we were lost and just came up to us and asked if we

need help.

So you couldn't have looked that threatening.

Do you remember that?

Yeah.

We could tell we were lost and they just like, we're like, show us a map and they just show

us how to get to around to go.

So I like that.

Yeah.

Japan seems like probably one of the worst places on earth if you were looking to like

line up a casual threesome.

You can't even talk to anybody.

We had one girl hit us up the whole time we were there one to hang out and then like

see what's weird.

I think you're probably thinking somewhere else only that happened in Japan.

Maybe.

It's happened a lot of it.

Great.

It's threesome.

Yeah.

It's been a long time.

We'll get there again.

Well, go to that Swingers Club.

I really want to go.

Yeah.

I think it's a good in between between the tons of effort.

Maybe I'm lazy.

The tons of effort it takes to pick someone up at a bar, especially a woman and then like,

you could hire someone.

I feel like it's a good in between.

I think it's a little easier than the bar.

Spontanate.

Spontanate.

Yeah.

It's so fun.

Maybe you've never hired him a hacker.

No, but we'd never be fun to just like actually support the sex.

The sex worker economy.

I still think that's what's in there.

Yeah.

That'd be cool.

No, I don't even know how to hire fucking one of my best friends.

I can't say who it is.

In case he finds out.

One of my best friends, boyfriends, wanted a threesome so bad and she's so shy.

She lied and she hired a hooker and had the meter at a bar and did the whole thing.

Wow.

And he never found out.

Wow.

That's amazing.

I'm just now like pick up Queen.

There's been times where I thought that you might have done that.

Where we like hooked up with a girl and I kind of almost like felt like her energy was

like, does she not necessarily like want to do this and she's just doing it because

she's sort of like a pain to do it?

Maybe.

I'm not thinking of every story.

It's not about her by the way.

I'm not.

You had threesome before me.

Maybe you're thinking of somebody else.

No, I'm telling you, buddy.

You didn't do that, then that's awesome.

No, I did not.

No.

But now I think you shed.

And now the audio worker.

Now we all know it's a girl in the industry.

So I feel like it would be weird.

Like I forgot how to just go to the bar and pick up girls like we used to or girls would

get me be like, Hey, thank you and Adam are cute.

And I'd be like, okay, hang a little, hang out.

You know, right?

But now I would be like, like, any.

But then is it a fan girl?

Well, there's a lot.

But this is the thing.

Any girl who hits us up on that probably has the only fans.

And if we're going to fuck them, they need to get tested.

Yeah.

So it's like, uh, you're like, you're bad too.

Like you should get tested and do this fucking OnlyFans collab.

You might as well monetize it as well.

A threesome with condoms is the hardest thing in the world.

No, thanks.

We've done it.

So.

No, especially when the girl like, and I totally get it, wants you to like change a condom every

time you go back and forth.

Oh my God.

It's like he do like this too much work for that about the time you're done.

You're like swimming in a sea of condoms.

It's like the whole bed is full of condoms.

The condom would just.

I hate pervasive.

I hate it.

Right?

When you're changing it like that.

Yeah.

Like, oh, it's so hot.

If the girl said anything about condoms, be like, listen, you go get tested.

We'll meet up again in a couple of days.

Boom.

I'm not.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Keep fixing your.

It's fine.

You could just leave it.

You don't have to.

Just falling off.

No, I know.

Yeah.

That's, I know I'm pretty much like I'm so used to going to get tested that I just want everyone

to go get it.

It takes time to take some of the time.

But now that I've done it, I need it.

And now I look back at how I was in my youth and I was just fucking careless.

The testing right here.

Did you feel like you're now a half detached?

Now I'm like the most neurotic, but I was completely fat condom sure, but like careless.

You're like, I'm never going to have any.

You go to the club, less than 1% of the women are tested.

Yeah.

So it's like, you know, what are the odds that they're going to be able to show you a test?

Like approximately zero.

Yeah.

So that's, that would be my advice to everybody.

They should be getting tested like every 72 hours, even if you don't do porn.

Well, it depends on how many people you're fucking.

But yeah, if you're fucking random people every weekend, yeah, then you should be getting

tested.

So speaking of random people, you were saying that you like to be the third.

I love to be the third.

Can you see what you saw?

It's kind of like, bless you.

Yeah.

I saw it.

I saw it last time.

So yeah, talk about last time.

How do we deliver last time?

So fucking hot.

And I was so nervous.

Cause like I had like kind of seen you on her social media, but I had like a major crush.

And then I started seeing some of my friends working with you and I'm like, oh, she'll

probably never ask me, but it's fine.

I'll just, I'll just keep watching her Instagram.

And then you asked me and then I'm like, I wish my Instagram would tell me the who, who's

watching my story, like up top so I could, I could be like a fucker.

Yeah.

Still me.

We have a song I blindfolded you.

And then I, and then I surprised you with the big, the package.

Wow.

It's a shame we're just doing a podcast.

So we're so cool.

We got hooked up again.

It's such a shame that we can't take these mics off and get nasty.

Like I just got to say it.

So time is valuable.

And there's no chance on earth that I'd be here.

If I didn't think there was a chance that you guys would fuck me.

We're fucking.

Yeah.

We're fucking well.

All this dirty talk.

I need it.

There's no way to be in the room with this one without fucking.

Do you think she's signed it?

Yeah.

Have I been a good girl?

Yes.

Have I, did I do a good job on the podcast and now I get taken for the best job.

I'm a good girl.

Okay.

I'm a good girl.

I love this.

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