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I never went to the music school
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i had my
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miserable two weeks
of piano lessons
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but
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the mice of do this this the ma.
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I think it's it's it really is
about learning how to listen
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i'm in for all musicians
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and i think.
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If you observe musicians
working together.
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That you take it for granted that they
can play the instrument but what happens
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as
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that they actually really learned how
to listening just because that's not so
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visually obvious
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it might be more for secret.
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I.
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I can i can orchestrate i can
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you
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wield.
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I can
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you know
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i i can wield pen and paper and actually
come up with a fairly decent orchestration
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without ever having
gone to the music school
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but i learned that
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as a kid
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listening into the music
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and.
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Finding the bowels
this but i think.
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You know if you extent
this outwards now.
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And you sit there
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was your director and
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the gay my players
hate tell me the story.
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I listened to his
words i listened to the
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story but i tried to
listen beyond it as well
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you know
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i tried to.
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You know
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no director ever tells you
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no good director ever attempt
to tell you what music to right
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so
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what you're doing as you're trying to figure
out your trying to listen to the subtext
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you try your forever listening
and the heart of the thick
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and.
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I think if if if there's
anything i am
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i learned as just as I've
learned how to listen better
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and.
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Including myself i
mean you're not like
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he
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yup
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place every on the keyboard
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and you're playing what ostensibly is the
wrong note but it's not it's gold at the
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opportunity it's the
unlocking of a door
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to something
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your fingers when
going to take you to
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and if you don't listen
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you're going to miss is it
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because
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if you're not listening
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to the other players you'd
never going to go and get that
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impetus and you'd never
going to have a conversation
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and.
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At the end of the day i
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do think it's about
communication.
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And.
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Even though.
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I have a big mouth and i
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find it difficult
to keep a chart.
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You know when when we develop these
ideas when we develop what this thing s.
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I'm
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trying to listen
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beyond the words
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you know i'm trying to not
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hear the words i'm
trying to hear the to.
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As.
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You got gotta considered best
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only two types of music
good music and bad music
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but i think.
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If i have to
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teach somebody something
the only thing i can teach them as.
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Whenever that piece as you love
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really
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go
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look at it from many
different directions
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with me it was odd things like.
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Marla second i i was fascinated by that
i mean i i i would just take that parkville
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can offer like a year i would just
listen to it and get obsessed with it and.
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You know
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discover and more and more
about the process and i suppose
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if you want to.
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Marla was one of my teach us
because i learned a lot from it
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later on it was
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things like
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value of symphonie fantastique.
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Where
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he's taking you
through this tragic love
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story and it goes wild
and it goes crazy and.
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I very quickly realize
to smell that there was.
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That
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you know
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that there's a part in it where he
goes to the DEA's a rate which is a.
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Piece of church music written and
twelve fifty six i happen to know these
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to other people useless facts
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okay
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if you take the
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the array
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but as
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da da da da
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set of really
simple set of notes
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it
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appears it creeps through.
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You know the the
evolution of music it keeps
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reappearing and
different compose
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this music you know not heard it
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obviously for me it was
the first time hundred
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and the barrios but
you know list used at
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then you know when you
go to the film composers
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Bernard Herrmann
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John Williams
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it's all over close encounters
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it it's it's.
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You know
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and and i suddenly realized this
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this phrase meant
something in meant something
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that we couldn't
express and Boston that
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people hadn't.
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Maybe hieronymus bosch
had it in a painting i dunno
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there was something about it
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that struck
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and
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and la carte a
fundamental an iconic.
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Caught and and and and.
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Even though we
couldn't quite describe it.
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We knew it meant something it
was a call it was some sort of a call
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and of costs.
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So much of music
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is that it's it's you know it's.
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It's.
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A conversation and to
call at a storytelling part
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i didn't listen to it in an academic
way i listened to pure up to a purely and
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what was the telling me
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and what
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you know what Butler
supposed to pushing and me
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that unleash some imagination
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and i see that
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these pieces
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this piece keeps appearing
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and.
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People's film music and
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it appears in other pieces of
classical music and i suddenly realized
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that
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there are phrases in music that means
something they really do mean something and
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they push a button and us
and emotional button on us.
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When i can't see a movie
i don't dissect the score
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i stopped dissecting it
when it's not working.
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An archaic.
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You know it's like i see i see
a movie as a whole and and
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and and effort
transports me then
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everything does you know so.
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I suppose if i think about it afterwards
a test exactly the way i go about.
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Writing which as
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you know
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hang on
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that the colors in the music match
the colors on the screen did the mood.
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In the music.
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And homs
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transport you know
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add something.
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All
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you know what is it just as during the
same thing as everything else in the scene.
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You know
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what's that contrast was there
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you know
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that
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there's so many different race.
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Of playing a scene you
know you you you can either.
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You can sometimes you can
get the most of i mean we were
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talking about you know i
got into this because i loved.
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Once upon a time in the west.
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And
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more
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a curry score and it's
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yeah
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it's electric guitars and they're
completely out of kinetic you know
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where we're talking about.
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The late nineteen century
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and
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and it never occurred to me.
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That.
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That sounds
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hadn't been
invented at that point
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just because he boldly
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puts it in front of me
and i you know he's totally
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committed when he does
it so i never question at
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but i saw jos.
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I thought you know the to
note the thing ever do don't do
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that everybody goes all about
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it yeah that's great that's a
great idea it's a one idea sort of
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thing and then what
happens in that score after that
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is
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absolutely pure magic
and it's it's it's a it's
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like an orchestration
firework and it's just
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imaginative beyond belief and
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do you know
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the tuba does things to boss i'm supposed
to do and it's it's it's a it's a fantastic
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so that's what you know
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where the geek musician
suddenly comes in
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and.
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But as a whole i
mean it's it's like
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you hone your ear
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to the
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took to the less obvious spits
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used to have Nico oh the beef
theme and raiders is really gorgeous
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that might not be the main tune
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you know everybody can remember
the obvious sua da da da da
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yeah
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but it's it's the next bit that happened
steps to got the heart and nuts got my
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attention in it and
that's got that tells you.
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So you know that that the that has a
nostalgic quality that isn't quite as overt
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and
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and so i think
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part of what but
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i do is by.
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Looking at the
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movies that entertain
me is to figure out
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why do they entertain me and
by just the music entertainment
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and it usually is because.
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Quietly and softly
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and not in the avert way
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there's something going on.
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That is.
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Beautifully crafted
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mean i'm talking about a job
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here i'm talking about
any John Williams scoffing
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at the moment
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or any
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any morricone score
any Jack goldsmith score
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and.
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Or any jonny greenwood score
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i mean that the the
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you know you you said Nico.
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It's it goes beyond the obvious
where you can pinpoint the idea
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and
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are you can sing the hook
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there's something else
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you know that goes on with great
craftsmanship and great love and great.
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Just elegance.
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Hm.
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So first film i saw
probably the most shocking
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experience of my
life wasn't a film at all
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was
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i might have been two and a half or three
years old my mom took me to the opera
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and i saw Mozart's.
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You know the magic flute
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and it just
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blew my socks off and i thought
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this is
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pretty amazing and.
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I see
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what's up for a while the
motive became a big influence.
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I
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soon to be followed by Beethoven
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somewhere along the line
Marla second symphony and.
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All these amazing pieces of music
and i i never segregated between.
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You know
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that
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this
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concert music and
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this is film music because
somewhere along the way
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and.
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Nino rota and ennio morricone
slipped onto the scene
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and so.
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Probably the greatest influence
when it comes to film composers
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and a bus without a doubt.
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Ennio morricone
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and i think i'm just.
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Still to this day
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a crazed fan of as
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and
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because.
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His tunes a fantastic
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has
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craftsmanship is fantastic the
discipline he puts into this fantastic
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and then
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the.
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Complete disregard of any rules
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is fantastic
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and at the end of the
day you know somewhere
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in the center for holding
it altogether as his
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incredible passion and love
and understanding football.
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So.
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Now funny way i don't think any
of us would be doing it without ba
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you know so he said.
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Cornerstone
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and.
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I can garden like this because
then of course you have
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put coffee of and you're just a covets
and you have all the Russian guys and.
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I think what
happened was as a kid
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growing up without a television
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had its advantage which boss.
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I had a piano
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and i had records
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records about black things
for the whole the middle
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it's it's a very old
fashioned thing but you can
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listen to music on it
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and
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and every week we would
go on to see a concert
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in every week i was
thrilled and excited and.
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Exposed to something which
was absolutely and utterly magical
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and.
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So i grew up really with classical music
and listening to classical music intensely
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and i suppose i learned my orchestration
or any of any chops or anything
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just just by listening and and.
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What better way to London than
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going to a concert and watching
an orchestra what better learned
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a way to learn than
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going to and of opera and seeing
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an amazing performance
what better way
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to learn then
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all day long to be surrounded by
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Beethoven and.
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Bach etc
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and the rest of the
influences in my life really are
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that i was
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extraordinary to
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lie bad at anything that
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involves discipline
or school all
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rules and it's very very tough to
grow up in Germany if you have and
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a disdain and an
allergy to authority so
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you can't help yourself
if you've got a rebel
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and you get kicked out
of school and the only
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so the only thing left for me
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and i think that's quite
sometimes not a bad thing
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is i had no options but
to become a musician hm
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i don't listen to a
lot of film schools.
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Cause that's like a bus
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holiday to million like
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that's what i that's what i
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do all day long so.
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Why would i want to
do that when i go home
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and
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what i wanted to do when i got
homeless i want to go and listen to.
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Beethoven
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Mozart are
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the Beatles
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bb king or you know right now i'm listening
to a lot of classical music because what
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i'm working on as the
opposite to classical music
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i was have to listen to things
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which have not sort of nothing to do
with what what i'm working on on on
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not related to the
style i'm working on.
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Then.
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I have.
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Binges of
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you know.
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We had punk phases
of binges of electronic
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or.
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Binge yourself edi air mall
but you know it's it's like
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suddenly i'm
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hunting down
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every great blues guitarist or
whatever you know so i go on these
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lengthy.
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You know being in love with
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a certain genre and
then go somewhere else.
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You know i i always thought
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you know if you really
need to get a rounded
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education and music and
you don't know where to start
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just stop with the beast just go
through the beast you know just goes to
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value barrios spartak Beatles.
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The odd you know we can
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banjo music he
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just this go on just
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just just go on i mean
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the point is your find something
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you'll find something
which touches you pass me
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and which means
something to you pass me
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and then build on that.
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There are few
scores which sort of.
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I thought by revolutionary and
truly moved from music along and.
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You know
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everybody talks about the
obvious ones like psycho etc off
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for coffee of.
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Alexander nevsky and
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yeah that's obviously
true but then i got sort of
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scoffs like
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midnight express.
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Georgia marotta i thought.
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The opening scene with
the inhumans secret such as
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going
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with
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such a brilliant
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i
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such a
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brilliant.
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Idea by the director to realize
that the scariest thing as.
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A machine where you don't
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you
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will you don't realize
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that humanity in it i mean.
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It's it's it's the
machine like quality
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that doesn't
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give you a pint of what's going to
happen next which makes it so scary and
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i think again you
know ennio morricone
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once upon a time in america not
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once upon a time in the rest
of the trust the first thing i saw
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but once part of
time in america is is
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extraordinary because
the whole score.
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It's basically a doubt that there
isn't a fast peace in that you're
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at it
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it's a gangster movie and he writes
slow heartfelt music and he just.
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Manages
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to
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put a nostalgia and up
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and and the
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grace and up.
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Soul into this movie that is
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absolutely incredible
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and.
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Yes i mean i loved
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Hannah i thought chemical processes
as as one of my favorite scoffs because
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i think it's great
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it's great music
it's great film music
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it's incredibly cinematic
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it's quirky and it's epic
all at the same time
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and it's got a point of
view and i think those are
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qualities which
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which are necessary to
pull off a decent film school.
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