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John Paul and i were talking about that
sort of the crisis at the beginning of a
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movie when we
don't know what to do
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and just
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you know the couple of weeks of
sitting in front of a blank screen and Greg
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oh my god i have no idea how to do
this i'm not a composer i'm not worthy i
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you know it's it's all over.
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Because
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part of the problem with music as you
don't really know where it comes from
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so what if they turn off the top
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you know
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like.
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So there are no
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are no guarantees that
you're going to go and
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write the next score.
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When he and and
he very simply said
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well you know sometimes
it takes a little bit
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of time to get a movie
under your fingers.
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I think.
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This this is what happens to me.
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I have to start on a new movie
and i haven't worked in a while
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which is rare
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because i never
take holidays out of
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the following reason.
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It's like.
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I have no idea where to start
i cannot write nothing comes
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it's just.
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A terrifying blank sheet with
a terrifying desert in my brain
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and
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you know
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the screen looks
like a blizzard with
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just white on it
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but if you write every day and it
doesn't matter what it tissue right
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just write something.
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It's like
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it's like i supposed to run us
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not that i'm a runner not
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even know what about eyes
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but
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pretend i would know what
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what it means to work
out or two spots something
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like this i think you
just develop a muscle
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and i think if you write every day
you just get into the flow of writing.
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Way a movie supposed to work and
used to work like this in the old days
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and in the old days
when we had film and we
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when people were
catching on cams and
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steamed Beck's and flatbeds
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and they were cutting films.
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They used to be
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a system
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in place where
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you'd command film would
be sort of cut and you'd sit
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that was the director and
the editor your music editor
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and you'd spot the movie
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everything has changed because
of technology and the effort
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because.
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They used to be a certain
other part to the system which
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was at a certain point they
would lock the picture otherwise
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would make no picture changes
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and they would now give
the compose twelve weeks
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with a locked picture
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to write the score
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well that went out
of the window as
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as soon as.
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Digital editing came in.
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So now.
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Anything can change
at any moment in time
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with
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one other thing.
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That
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changed everything which is
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of
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visual effects it used to be the
compose the who was late on things.
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I was holding everything up
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well
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the reason i love
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computer graphics as is because those
other guys who are holding up everything
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so
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they actually buying me time
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if i just turn the
process around
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so now
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the way i work as
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forget the spotting session
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let's just start
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if i
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if i can if i have
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if if i have the space on
the time available i stopped
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when they start shooting and
i stopped of that conversation
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i start collecting sounds and i
stopped making sounds and i start
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coming up with ideas and
i start coming up as tunes.
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Once it's
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finished shooting.
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Himself to working in parallel
with the cutting room and.
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All that happens this those twelve weeks
of the locked picture which don't exist
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anymore i just put them
at the beginning now.
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I write anything between
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two
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to five sort of
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fully fleshed out
diaries and then the
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then they're just fits you know where
you go oh hang on a certain i have an idea
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i have an idea for loves
the might have an idea of far.
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I
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like
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that was a
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wedding march out to do
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this
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movie so so you know
that that doesn't require
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more than.
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Just the specificity
of writing that seat
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but again.
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Just just to figure out.
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What the best version of it
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as you know
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i wrote a long-form
version and then just cut
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it out you know it's
it's actually quite simple
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get up
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do
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you have two types
of notes in these
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diaries you have the good notes and you
have to bat notes and after a while you just
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go and yanked the
bad notes and you just
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you just have to be
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ruthless about the stuff as well
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this isn't the tone of the movie
and this isn't in la turn off the movie
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and you fit
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and
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and it's partly.
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That part you know the
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as i said in of getting
it under your fingers as
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actually
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finding the tone
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and once you find the tone.
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You know
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you're not suddenly going to go into you
know jazz odyssey improvisation you know
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as as is going to
be very specific
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to within
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you know the the style
you've created for that movie
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and you know that there are many
different about says that there's a
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the Sherlock one are so
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you know
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that was and Irene
of adler one which was
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endless
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and.
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Because i could never quite
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pin that relationship daughter
and i don't think we ever
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managed to pin
that relationship dog
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so i was writing.
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Music for.
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A love story that never
developed the way i wanted to
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start
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which is okay
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you know
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sometimes.
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What you do with these
suites as well as the you give
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them to your director and it
gives himself mean idea of.
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How to approach a seen are
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you know our are sometimes
it's just about you know
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wouldn't it have
been nice if we had
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been able to develop
a more complete
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relationship
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and sometimes it's just nice
for myself that i actually go and.
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I need to you know to
figure out the character i
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figured out somewhere
in the middle of the peace
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but i need to go and.
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Do you to do the autobiography so i know
what that character as about and i might
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write scenes
that don't exist but
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that i just imagining my head
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just to
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get to the
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the heart of the matter
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but this material then becomes
you know and i can give it
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to arrange rangers
and orchestrators i can
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give it to other people
on my team him and say
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how's it can get our
can you just do me
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the string quartet version of
this i think this tune a solid i think
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you not
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go off and go off and
have a play with it.
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So
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the diary throws of a lot of.
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Other bits and pieces you
know sometimes it's just like
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during the remix where you
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you know you may mute
a bunch of tracks and
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some really interesting stuff
going on in the background
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and
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that in itself can become a cute
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and
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again i mean that the
the the the biggest helping
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and
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my process
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to me as my music editor.
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Who sort of
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not only the Leah saw between
the cutting room in the film and me
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but.
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Who is a very creative
thinker himself and
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something that i knew
was going to be only a
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love theme he suddenly
figures out how to do
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you know if you suffered
of an action scene
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that it has an
interesting effect.
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If
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you know the way i write as
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just
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a second i'm a computer i'm just spinning
out the ram you know i just need to know
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what i need to
know for this project
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and then it
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it's all gone
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so it makes room for for
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something new.
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So sometimes i go and
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look at these movies and a second
i'm seeing them for the first time.
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You know i i learned a lot from.
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Dark night.
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You know it's it's.
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The amount of
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recalling the amount of trucks
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at one probably be read
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at twelve hundred
trucks of just music
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and.
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We're supposed to
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of insane.
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No wonder i was
feeling a bit wobbly
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last
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scoring date.
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Do.
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So by the time of keep to
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dark knight rises.
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I was actually
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during a lot of the mixing just.
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On my laptop basic.
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I would
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give farmer efficient tracks over
to the dubbing engineer but really
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you know
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the person who managed to
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my music editor
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to one degree.
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Or another and then
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and then
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one of the things you learn
really pretty quickly as you
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gotta be really good about your know
numbering bring systems your organization
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that is
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you know.
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When i started out you know i i lost so
many pieces which never ever appear to get i
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mean i i remember
the black hawk down
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because we are working in a
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and in in a serious hurry and
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and the age of hottest recording
hadn't quite self caught up with us
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so we have this pro tools
system but it took forever to load
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so
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whenever somebody had
an idea we would just shoot it
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on a handheld video camera
everybody had a handheld
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video camera
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and so that became the sort of.
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Away of you know
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how quick i got a
tune just shoot it.
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And as one tune which we could
never find a gun and of course is
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in the making of and so
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every time i you know
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somebody has made me watch
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the making of the music
of black hawk down on
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you.
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Up
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because there
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was a
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really good tune and it
sort of feet in the movie so
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so you learned up you know your you've
got to be organized you have to have people
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who forced you to
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and i am not organized
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so
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so
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just by admitting that you know
that i have people around me
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who are.
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You know.
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Who celebrate
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c cd like
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nobody's business.
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For me i mean folks.
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Literally personally.
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A for me an unsuccessful
Scott as something.
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Web i'm just repeating myself.
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Which doesn't mean.
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That i don't repeat myself
there are certain questions.
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You know i i think we all
have that the certain questions
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which we've
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had all our lives which were
trying to find an answer to
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and we just
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and the opportunity
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of working in
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the film for instance
that your habits.
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Ultimately
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you're just of writing from your point
of view and your writing about yourself
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and you keep us as
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getting the same questions i mean why
are there so many love songs you know
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what people try to
figure out you know so so
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if i come up with the same arms
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then I've failed but if i
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if a if
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if i figure out how to
just shift the answer
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a bit further forward if i
can ask a new question
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and and
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i'm always more
interested in that
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every school should actually throw up
questions as opposed to answer them.
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I think the question is always
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more compelling than the answer.
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You know
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oh
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turns out the earth isn't flat
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so it's round
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okay.
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You know
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now that i know that what am
i going to do with it you know
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i'm.
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A
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block if you just start
with the character
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and.
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And let me stay
specifically with stronach.
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Let's say you
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didn't see the trailer or anything like
this let's say you just going to the theater
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and you're going to go and
see a Sherlock Holmes film
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you're coming with
a certain amount of.
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Baggage
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you
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think you already know the
answers and the first thing i'm doing as
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i'm throwing you off kilter.
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I'm going.
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It's got banjos and it
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i didn't expect that
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sucks so
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do that you know
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just just
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put potato an appropriate way
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it's not random
it's not allow key
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as
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it's
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it's figure out how to make the.
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Character of
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compiling by you questioning
everything about him all the time.
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You know.
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Enter the
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oh he he did that i didn't
expect him to do that
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oh the joker did that
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i didn't.
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I didn't expect that
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serps
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so that i mean
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part of the
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part of for how to ask
the call question as
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you supposed to do
something slightly unexpected.
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That's
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a in itself as a question.
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You know
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and i think he has opposed to
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give an audience
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and experience
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the i think that's our job
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and i think the experience isn't to
answer a question i think the experience as
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to go away and the next day go.
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Back get you know that bit where it all
explodes and that was that crazy violent
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why did he do that
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but you know
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why am i still remembering this
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you know that if
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you watch just want
to throw a pebble in
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and the circles get bigger
until the question becomes
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a real question.
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You.
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We humans seem to like
the idea of symmetrical
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phrase or so you know
yes your your to pass for us
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it boss sixteen boss you know
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works for Mozart works for disco
bucks for funk works for folk songs
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you know
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and then you'll
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everybody survived you get the
occasional one that steps out of it like
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i think yesterday yeah the
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McCartney song i think that's the
saffron paraphrase it just works like that
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and it feels symmetrical
and feels complete
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and
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and that's when you go
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hmm
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genius.
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You know when the rules are broken
without you noticing the Bruce that's when
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again that that's when some
some somebody adds a new.
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The
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piece to
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to the cavalry in a way
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i mean
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that.
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And i should try to
just played a slightly
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slower and a little bit
little property but that.
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Red lion journey
to the line peace
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and.
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It breaks every rule you're not
supposed to do this parallel movement.
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If i'm just moving everything
is moving in parallel.
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It's and eleven ba
phrase therefore it's.
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Are symmetrical
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and.
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For for the longest time it doesn't
quite know which kids and and it keeps
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repeating over and over
and and eventually the
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level bar phrase
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sharpness down to ten
buff race and it just suddenly
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gives you this of.
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Jolt
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so
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if you put that in front of.
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A music teacher before
it was in the movie
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before people went oh
that's a pretty good piece
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and academic.
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Mind would have told you
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everything wrong about it.
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So that the the trick as as.
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It's not a trick that
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but it's
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the the mission all just you
know part of the mission is
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to find out
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and maybe that's just
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how i grew up you know where.
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If somebody tells
you that there's a rule.
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You have to
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figure out how to break it
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because that's the only
thing that move things forward
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to i have certain rules i go to.
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Yes because i want to
go and figure out how to
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how to break them in the most elegant
way how to how to do it in a way that you.
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Sometimes you don't even
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you don't even know
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and that that's very
important to me that
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you know the the don't
see the hand of the
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artist at work all
the time i think that's.
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You just
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do you just feel that something
new or something fresh.
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As occurring
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and.
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Without seeing you
know without seeing the
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without seeing the
horrible surgery.
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