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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,293 --> 00:00:16,694 Gary Nardino was a very close friend of mine, 2 00:00:16,863 --> 00:00:22,062 a one-time agent of mine. He was running Paramount Television. 3 00:00:22,235 --> 00:00:23,827 He called me one day and he asked me 4 00:00:24,004 --> 00:00:26,199 if l'd be interested in doing The Winds of War. 5 00:00:26,373 --> 00:00:29,274 And l had to admit l didn't know what The Winds of War was. 6 00:00:30,844 --> 00:00:35,042 And he told me it was a novel by Herman Wouk, who l greatly admired. 7 00:00:35,215 --> 00:00:37,809 A messenger delivered this 20-pound book. 8 00:00:37,984 --> 00:00:40,475 l couldn't believe the size of it. 9 00:00:40,821 --> 00:00:44,450 A thousand... 1 ,1 00 pages, whatever it was. 10 00:00:45,959 --> 00:00:49,417 And l called Gary and l said, ''Are you out of your mind?'' 11 00:00:49,596 --> 00:00:52,030 He said, ''Just read it, and then we'll talk about it.'' 12 00:00:52,199 --> 00:00:54,497 l guess this is it, then. 13 00:01:01,475 --> 00:01:03,739 - Tumbleweeds blowing apart, huh? - That's right. 14 00:01:03,910 --> 00:01:05,673 Tumbleweeds blowing apart. 15 00:01:06,580 --> 00:01:09,014 l pray for Natalie and your son, Byron. 16 00:01:10,951 --> 00:01:12,213 l know you do, Dad. 17 00:01:12,686 --> 00:01:14,313 Thanks. 18 00:01:16,690 --> 00:01:21,559 The Winds of War was the crème de la crème de la crème of a book. 19 00:01:21,895 --> 00:01:23,385 Everyone wanted that. 20 00:01:23,563 --> 00:01:27,522 lt was the one that you thought, ''lf l could get this one particular property, 21 00:01:27,701 --> 00:01:30,397 ''l could make the greatest miniseries of all time.'' 22 00:01:30,670 --> 00:01:33,195 So everyone lusted for it, 23 00:01:33,373 --> 00:01:35,841 and Herman Wouk basically had no interest 24 00:01:36,009 --> 00:01:38,807 in making it a miniseries whatsoever. 25 00:01:38,979 --> 00:01:44,178 Herman Wouk never wanted to sell The Winds of War... 26 00:01:45,118 --> 00:01:47,712 ...to television, or to anybody, for that matter. 27 00:01:47,888 --> 00:01:53,224 He was vastly unhappy with the work that had been done in the past, 28 00:01:53,693 --> 00:01:56,321 translating his novels to film. 29 00:01:56,630 --> 00:01:59,565 He did not like The Caine Mutiny. 30 00:02:00,066 --> 00:02:02,796 He hated MarJorie Morningstar. 31 00:02:02,969 --> 00:02:06,268 l don't even think he would look at YoungbIood Hawke. 32 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,567 He was... 33 00:02:09,242 --> 00:02:11,710 ...thoroughly disenchanted with Hollywood. 34 00:02:11,878 --> 00:02:16,076 MarJorie Morningstar and YoungbIood Hawke were just trivialized, 35 00:02:16,249 --> 00:02:18,649 and that wasn't going to happen with The Winds of War. 36 00:02:18,819 --> 00:02:21,185 lt just mattered too much to me. 37 00:02:22,289 --> 00:02:24,723 So that was out of the question. 38 00:02:25,459 --> 00:02:27,427 Once it became a bestseller, 39 00:02:27,594 --> 00:02:29,289 a number one bestseller, Winds of War, 40 00:02:29,463 --> 00:02:33,991 then naturally the offers came, and we just turned them down. 41 00:02:34,301 --> 00:02:40,638 The Winds of War is a, really, almost perfect book for television. 42 00:02:40,807 --> 00:02:43,275 And l'll tell you why, in my opinion. 43 00:02:43,443 --> 00:02:48,881 lt's about a family, and family stories on television are always the best. 44 00:02:49,049 --> 00:02:52,314 And it's a family in crisis as a result of a war. 45 00:02:52,486 --> 00:02:57,219 So you have a family that's evolving and changing and growing, 46 00:02:57,390 --> 00:03:01,156 and relationships shifting throughout the course of their life, 47 00:03:01,328 --> 00:03:07,267 set against this backdrop of action and suspense and fear, 48 00:03:07,434 --> 00:03:11,894 so you had the perfect combination of elements 49 00:03:12,072 --> 00:03:14,199 to make an extraordinary saga. 50 00:03:36,863 --> 00:03:40,594 - Are you OK, sir? - My glasses, they're shattered. 51 00:03:40,767 --> 00:03:44,328 That was quite a commotion. Close call there, wasn't it? 52 00:03:44,504 --> 00:03:47,132 What Herman Wouk has done that is unique 53 00:03:47,307 --> 00:03:49,741 is that he manages to put 54 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:53,846 the average Joe and Jane into the picture 55 00:03:54,014 --> 00:03:56,574 as if they were living then, 56 00:03:56,750 --> 00:04:01,551 and they were breathing the air of 1 939 to 1 946. 57 00:04:02,756 --> 00:04:07,523 And by doing that, he immediately attracts everybody's interest. 58 00:04:07,694 --> 00:04:11,027 l was a Naval officer for four years in World War ll, 59 00:04:11,197 --> 00:04:14,030 served on destroyer minesweepers 60 00:04:14,501 --> 00:04:17,664 very much like the USS Caine in The Caine Mutiny. 61 00:04:17,837 --> 00:04:21,204 That's my naval background. 62 00:04:21,374 --> 00:04:24,707 And out there, it occurred to me that sooner or later, 63 00:04:24,878 --> 00:04:29,679 somebody was going to write a big book about this war. 64 00:04:29,849 --> 00:04:34,013 And l didn't think it could possibly be me, 65 00:04:34,187 --> 00:04:36,018 but it was a dream. 66 00:04:36,189 --> 00:04:37,918 And it never quite left me. 67 00:04:38,091 --> 00:04:41,720 Well, Herman Wouk's story of The Winds of War 68 00:04:41,895 --> 00:04:48,095 is a sweeping study of the history of that period and those events 69 00:04:48,268 --> 00:04:54,764 leading up to World War ll and, of course, the Holocaust. 70 00:04:55,375 --> 00:04:58,469 And it has a great importance. 71 00:04:58,645 --> 00:05:01,512 lt's a period of history that l've lived through. 72 00:05:01,681 --> 00:05:04,741 So has Dan Curtis and so has Herman Wouk, 73 00:05:04,918 --> 00:05:08,354 and we all remember 74 00:05:09,289 --> 00:05:12,747 some of the mistakes that all of our governments made 75 00:05:12,926 --> 00:05:15,622 and the horror of that war 76 00:05:15,795 --> 00:05:22,394 and how those years of the 1 930s, when Winds of War begins, 77 00:05:22,569 --> 00:05:24,594 affected the whole world. 78 00:05:24,771 --> 00:05:29,606 lt's one of those stories that must never be forgotten. 79 00:05:44,391 --> 00:05:48,020 When l decided to take a shot at writing this book 80 00:05:49,029 --> 00:05:53,329 intended to throw a rope around World War ll, 81 00:05:53,633 --> 00:05:57,797 l realized that l was in for some very serious reading. 82 00:05:57,971 --> 00:06:03,807 And l found myself with a list of 300 books that l ought to read. 83 00:06:04,177 --> 00:06:06,168 And l read them. 84 00:06:06,546 --> 00:06:08,776 Started the research, 85 00:06:09,783 --> 00:06:12,183 l would say, maybe about 1 960. 86 00:06:12,352 --> 00:06:18,291 l finished writing War and Remembrance in 1 9 7 7, 87 00:06:18,458 --> 00:06:20,221 so all that is... Now there's 1 7 years, 88 00:06:20,393 --> 00:06:22,861 and another about three years on the miniseries, 89 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:25,759 so a good part of my life, the central part of my life. 90 00:06:25,932 --> 00:06:29,868 - This is the famous Pug Henry, dear. - Oh, what a pleasure. 91 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:34,336 Pug... 92 00:06:34,507 --> 00:06:37,032 ...will the British hold out if France quits? 93 00:06:37,811 --> 00:06:39,642 l don't know much about the British, sir. 94 00:06:40,613 --> 00:06:44,413 Would you like to go there for a spell as a Naval observer? 95 00:06:44,584 --> 00:06:47,985 Possibly after you've had a month or so back in Berlin? 96 00:06:49,055 --> 00:06:51,023 Mr. President... 97 00:06:51,191 --> 00:06:53,591 ...is there any chance of my not going back to Berlin? 98 00:06:54,094 --> 00:06:57,291 - You go back there, Pug. - Aye, aye, sir. 99 00:06:57,464 --> 00:06:59,864 You'll get your sea command in due course. 100 00:07:01,668 --> 00:07:05,104 l think the most interesting thing about... 101 00:07:06,172 --> 00:07:09,608 ...how the books developed was the German general 102 00:07:09,776 --> 00:07:15,544 Armin von Roon's memoirs or analysis of the war, 103 00:07:15,715 --> 00:07:17,615 which really is the spine, 104 00:07:17,784 --> 00:07:20,218 the historical spine that runs through both novels. 105 00:07:21,121 --> 00:07:23,487 lt was my concept 106 00:07:23,990 --> 00:07:27,448 that the story could be told entirely 107 00:07:27,627 --> 00:07:31,222 through the experiences of my characters. 108 00:07:31,397 --> 00:07:34,889 l was about a year into the writing when l realized that would not work, 109 00:07:35,068 --> 00:07:37,195 because they did not have the overview. 110 00:07:37,370 --> 00:07:42,433 ln the middle of a war, nobody has the overview of what's happening. 111 00:07:42,609 --> 00:07:46,545 And this character, General Armin von Roon, just walked into the book. 112 00:07:46,713 --> 00:07:49,807 And one day l was trying to write some scene or other, 113 00:07:49,983 --> 00:07:51,746 and l needed the historical background, 114 00:07:51,918 --> 00:07:56,355 and this character walked into my room where l was working 115 00:07:56,523 --> 00:07:58,081 and said, ''l'll take it from here'', 116 00:07:58,258 --> 00:08:01,989 and he started to describe the war from his viewpoint. 117 00:08:02,162 --> 00:08:06,223 That worked, and that was the essential missing piece. 118 00:08:06,399 --> 00:08:10,267 AII previous studies inadequate. 119 00:08:11,204 --> 00:08:13,434 Assumptions about Soviet Union, 120 00:08:13,606 --> 00:08:20,409 in view of the proposed AngIo-Soviet AIIiance, are highIy hazardous. 121 00:08:21,481 --> 00:08:25,941 We are going out on very thin ice. 122 00:08:26,119 --> 00:08:31,614 Von Roon is the only fictional German officer in this story. 123 00:08:31,791 --> 00:08:35,352 Mr. Wouk wrote him as a military diarist. 124 00:08:35,528 --> 00:08:37,018 So he didn't have a family. 125 00:08:37,197 --> 00:08:41,634 He was never apprehended in secret meetings or anything like that. 126 00:08:41,801 --> 00:08:46,067 So the best l could do was try to infer 127 00:08:46,239 --> 00:08:52,576 a certain ambiguity about his loyalty to the Fuehrer. 128 00:08:52,745 --> 00:08:55,737 More important than ever to do your background reading 129 00:08:55,915 --> 00:08:58,440 and see if you can pick up some tips, 130 00:08:58,618 --> 00:09:02,952 maybe even suggest something about the character, 131 00:09:03,122 --> 00:09:05,590 which is to augment the character in some way. 132 00:09:05,758 --> 00:09:08,556 Research, nothing to beat it. 133 00:09:08,728 --> 00:09:10,593 Tell me, Victor... 134 00:09:11,731 --> 00:09:13,722 ...what is all that smokescreen about 135 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:15,731 lending and leasing? 136 00:09:16,669 --> 00:09:21,732 There is legal precedent for the leasing of American military property. 137 00:09:22,141 --> 00:09:27,511 But the lending of ships and weapons is a novel idea. 138 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:30,877 Of course, they have to be returned in good repair after the war. 139 00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:33,280 lt's poppycock. 140 00:09:33,786 --> 00:09:36,220 lt's politics. 141 00:09:37,056 --> 00:09:38,546 Check. 142 00:09:38,725 --> 00:09:42,217 l started with Pug Henry because of this... 143 00:09:42,395 --> 00:09:43,657 His... 144 00:09:43,830 --> 00:09:46,162 The centrality of a figure 145 00:09:46,332 --> 00:09:50,462 who would be close enough to the president 146 00:09:50,637 --> 00:09:55,506 to see a lot of the aspects of Roosevelt's decision-making, 147 00:09:55,675 --> 00:09:59,668 without his being, in any sense, a heroic figure. 148 00:09:59,846 --> 00:10:03,907 Just a run-of-the-mill, obscure Naval officer. 149 00:10:04,717 --> 00:10:08,175 ln the story, nobody's ever heard of Pug Henry, 150 00:10:08,354 --> 00:10:10,686 and nobody ever hears of the Pug Henrys of real life. 151 00:10:10,857 --> 00:10:13,087 They are the ones who get things done 152 00:10:13,259 --> 00:10:15,784 and never have the 1 6 minutes of fame. 153 00:10:15,962 --> 00:10:17,327 They serve. 154 00:10:18,097 --> 00:10:19,359 Goodbye, Pug. 155 00:10:20,934 --> 00:10:23,198 Goodbye, Mr. President. 156 00:10:25,038 --> 00:10:26,335 Goodbye, Mrs. Roosevelt. 157 00:10:29,175 --> 00:10:31,302 l read the book... 158 00:10:32,445 --> 00:10:34,276 ...and of course, l loved it. 159 00:10:34,447 --> 00:10:39,077 But l instantly realized that it was half a story 160 00:10:39,252 --> 00:10:41,686 because it ended at Pearl Harbor. 161 00:10:41,854 --> 00:10:43,685 And the story was just getting started. 162 00:10:43,856 --> 00:10:47,314 Without counting pages, l just wrote and wrote and wrote, 163 00:10:47,493 --> 00:10:50,189 and finally, l got to Pearl Harbor, 164 00:10:51,631 --> 00:10:53,656 and then l went back and counted the pages, 165 00:10:53,833 --> 00:10:57,234 and l saw that l had written a 1 ,000-page novel, pretty near. 166 00:10:57,403 --> 00:11:00,372 And l told this to my wife. l said, ''What am l going to do now?'' 167 00:11:00,540 --> 00:11:04,476 And she says, ''Well, l don't know. The story's just beginning'', she said. 168 00:11:04,644 --> 00:11:07,112 And l talked to my editor then, 169 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,009 and we decided there was nothing for it 170 00:11:09,182 --> 00:11:13,312 but to tie it off and publish The Winds of War by itself. 171 00:11:13,486 --> 00:11:16,455 And indeed, that's what l did. 172 00:11:16,622 --> 00:11:21,059 lt was Barry Diller who came up with the idea of making a miniseries, 173 00:11:21,227 --> 00:11:22,751 which was the correct form. 174 00:11:22,929 --> 00:11:26,194 l mean, then you have all of the room that you need to tell the story. 175 00:11:26,366 --> 00:11:29,028 We thought that was impossible because of the commercials. 176 00:11:29,202 --> 00:11:31,568 Herman finally agreed 177 00:11:31,738 --> 00:11:35,469 to let it happen, but with all kinds of provisos. 178 00:11:35,641 --> 00:11:42,479 He limited the amount of commercial minutes that the network could have. 179 00:11:42,648 --> 00:11:47,483 He put restrictions on them that they never dreamed of, 180 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,051 and they all bought it. 181 00:11:49,222 --> 00:11:53,682 The restrictions covered things like what sponsors would be allowed, 182 00:11:53,860 --> 00:11:55,691 how many commercials would be allowed, 183 00:11:55,862 --> 00:11:58,387 what the commercial positions would be, 184 00:11:58,564 --> 00:12:00,862 how many would be connected to each other. 185 00:12:01,034 --> 00:12:03,434 Herman had creative approval on the writer, 186 00:12:03,603 --> 00:12:05,161 creative approval on the director, 187 00:12:05,338 --> 00:12:07,203 he had creative approval on the cast. 188 00:12:07,373 --> 00:12:10,274 So he was loaded with clauses, 189 00:12:10,443 --> 00:12:14,846 which were about 4 7,000 pages long that none of us could understand, 190 00:12:15,014 --> 00:12:18,882 which had to do with his control over the production itself. 191 00:12:19,052 --> 00:12:21,612 But with that, we got the rights. 192 00:12:21,788 --> 00:12:23,813 Don't marry Slote. 193 00:12:25,458 --> 00:12:27,688 How young you are. 194 00:12:28,094 --> 00:12:29,789 Promise me? 195 00:12:30,430 --> 00:12:34,764 You know what Lenin said. ''Promises, like piecrusts, are meant to be broken.'' 196 00:12:34,934 --> 00:12:36,731 Forget about Lenin, just promise me. 197 00:12:37,937 --> 00:12:40,337 You idiot, don't you know how much l love you? 198 00:12:43,709 --> 00:12:48,874 Most of our role was to find the right people and to support them. 199 00:12:49,048 --> 00:12:52,313 The hard part of it, of course, was that it was all over the world. 200 00:12:52,485 --> 00:12:54,612 l mean, this was going to cost a bloody fortune. 201 00:12:54,787 --> 00:12:59,053 This was going to be the biggest thing that television had ever seen 202 00:12:59,225 --> 00:13:01,022 in the history of the business. 203 00:13:01,194 --> 00:13:05,324 Because the book was so massive and it involved extras 204 00:13:05,498 --> 00:13:09,229 and it involved attacks and it involved explosions 205 00:13:09,402 --> 00:13:14,635 and it involved shooting in all these different areas, 206 00:13:14,807 --> 00:13:17,970 so the production side of it was really, really difficult. 207 00:13:18,144 --> 00:13:21,477 However, actually taking that script, mounting it, 208 00:13:21,647 --> 00:13:25,674 putting it on the air, making it happen, making it real, 209 00:13:25,852 --> 00:13:29,379 and not just a little eI cheapo production, 210 00:13:29,555 --> 00:13:31,523 but a big, mammoth saga, 211 00:13:31,691 --> 00:13:34,660 which is what was really needed 212 00:13:34,827 --> 00:13:37,193 in terms of the book and in terms of Herman Wouk, 213 00:13:37,363 --> 00:13:39,957 that was a tremendous challenge. Tremendous. 214 00:13:40,133 --> 00:13:42,727 l come to the house... 215 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:46,962 ...and l'm greeted by Herman and Sarah. 216 00:13:48,441 --> 00:13:51,308 Right away, l know Sarah takes an instant dislike to me. 217 00:13:51,477 --> 00:13:53,468 She thinks l'm Mr. Hollywood. 218 00:13:53,646 --> 00:13:57,878 And Herman and l have this long dialogue, and l said to him, 219 00:13:58,151 --> 00:13:59,778 ''You don't understand. 220 00:13:59,952 --> 00:14:03,115 ''l'm my own boss. l have my own company. 221 00:14:03,289 --> 00:14:07,225 ''This is an interview. l've never been... l don't need this job. 222 00:14:07,393 --> 00:14:10,794 ''l have grave doubts about doing it anyway. l've got problems with it.'' 223 00:14:10,963 --> 00:14:14,330 And l told him about the fact that l thought it was a half a story, 224 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:18,027 and he allowed as how he would not ever let anybody 225 00:14:18,204 --> 00:14:19,694 get into the second half, 226 00:14:19,872 --> 00:14:22,102 which turned out to be War and Remembrance, 227 00:14:22,275 --> 00:14:24,300 until he knew they could do the first half. 228 00:14:24,477 --> 00:14:26,411 We talked about it again. 229 00:14:26,579 --> 00:14:29,605 We got into a huge argument because l said, ''OK, l will do it, 230 00:14:29,782 --> 00:14:32,148 ''but l won't do it unless l can do the whole thing.'' 231 00:14:32,318 --> 00:14:35,014 Dan started out by saying, 232 00:14:35,254 --> 00:14:37,984 ''The book is the Bible of the miniseries. 233 00:14:38,157 --> 00:14:40,022 ''We're going to follow the book. 234 00:14:40,193 --> 00:14:43,253 ''When in doubt, we go to the book.'' This is what he said to me. 235 00:14:43,429 --> 00:14:47,490 ln attempting to write for television, l did some ad-libbing, 236 00:14:47,667 --> 00:14:49,532 and he said, ''No, go back to the book.'' 237 00:14:49,702 --> 00:14:51,932 That was the first thing l learned from him, 238 00:14:52,104 --> 00:14:54,504 which was music to my ears, 239 00:14:54,674 --> 00:14:58,166 the idea that all l do is stick to my book. lt just couldn't be better. 240 00:14:58,344 --> 00:15:01,245 The first thing l determined 241 00:15:01,414 --> 00:15:06,852 was that we would adapt the book while l was in preproduction. 242 00:15:07,019 --> 00:15:09,852 So, what l did was sit down... 243 00:15:10,389 --> 00:15:12,584 ...and do an outline 244 00:15:12,758 --> 00:15:14,521 of the major sequences 245 00:15:14,694 --> 00:15:18,562 that l was pretty sure were going to end up in the picture, 246 00:15:18,931 --> 00:15:22,890 so that l could then start to look for these main locations. 247 00:15:23,069 --> 00:15:25,697 At the same time, we were going to start casting. 248 00:15:25,871 --> 00:15:30,570 The writing process and preproduction took probably a year and a half. 249 00:15:30,743 --> 00:15:32,938 l was traveling all over the world 250 00:15:33,112 --> 00:15:34,977 while Herman was working on the screenplay. 251 00:15:35,147 --> 00:15:39,083 l was also drafting some sequences that l would send on to him. 252 00:15:39,252 --> 00:15:41,083 And l brought in 253 00:15:41,254 --> 00:15:44,314 my good friend Earl Wallace, who was a wonderful writer, 254 00:15:44,490 --> 00:15:47,357 who worked as story editor and also worked very closely with us. 255 00:15:47,526 --> 00:15:50,586 So we all worked very closely together on the screenplay... 256 00:15:51,664 --> 00:15:53,928 ...with Herman having final word on everything. 257 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:57,627 Because of our previous experience, we knew practically better than any... 258 00:15:57,803 --> 00:16:00,601 Certainly any other network or anybody in the business, 259 00:16:00,773 --> 00:16:02,240 what you had to do 260 00:16:02,408 --> 00:16:05,775 in order to get everybody into the tent on opening night. 261 00:16:05,945 --> 00:16:08,243 We had every single day of the year 262 00:16:08,414 --> 00:16:11,247 mapped out on the walls of this conference room, 263 00:16:11,417 --> 00:16:14,079 and we met once a week with the public relations people, 264 00:16:14,253 --> 00:16:16,915 the photography people, with the on-air people, 265 00:16:17,089 --> 00:16:18,750 with the advertising people. 266 00:16:18,924 --> 00:16:20,858 And there was a meeting for one year 267 00:16:21,027 --> 00:16:23,825 prior to the air date of Winds of War, 268 00:16:23,996 --> 00:16:29,229 where we would discuss what was going to happen on every single day, 269 00:16:29,402 --> 00:16:33,566 366 days before the premiere night. 270 00:16:33,739 --> 00:16:38,938 We ended up, as a result of this kind of attack and this kind of detail on it, 271 00:16:39,111 --> 00:16:42,376 we ended up with 1 7 magazine covers for The Winds of War. 272 00:16:42,915 --> 00:16:46,476 We covered absolutely every base everywhere. 273 00:16:46,652 --> 00:16:50,053 So we had to take it and turn it into 274 00:16:50,222 --> 00:16:54,659 a major monster television event, which we did. 275 00:16:54,827 --> 00:16:57,523 With an actor in the White House, it wasn't surprising to see 276 00:16:57,697 --> 00:16:59,096 the super powers of Hollywood 277 00:16:59,265 --> 00:17:01,290 mingling with Washington's power brokers 278 00:17:01,467 --> 00:17:05,403 at a special preview screening of the upcoming Winds of War miniseries 279 00:17:05,571 --> 00:17:06,833 here at the Kennedy Center. 280 00:17:07,006 --> 00:17:10,601 This is a very extraordinary and unusual film. 281 00:17:10,776 --> 00:17:13,244 The character that Robert Mitchum plays, Pug Henry, 282 00:17:13,412 --> 00:17:18,645 is kind of an omnipresent character who is on the spot with Mussolini, 283 00:17:18,818 --> 00:17:20,513 with Hitler, with Roosevelt. 284 00:17:20,686 --> 00:17:25,020 And so, all of a sudden, you create those years 285 00:17:25,191 --> 00:17:28,820 that a good many of us remember with some nostalgia 286 00:17:28,994 --> 00:17:31,656 and some sorrow. 287 00:17:31,831 --> 00:17:37,895 l think Winds of War is a piece that is historical, 288 00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:40,334 a piece that's important for a lot of people to see 289 00:17:40,506 --> 00:17:43,907 who really have forgotten or were born after World War ll 290 00:17:44,076 --> 00:17:46,636 and really don't realize what went on at that time. 291 00:17:46,812 --> 00:17:52,182 And it's obviously a bipartisan war. Everybody seems to have shown up. 292 00:17:52,351 --> 00:17:57,345 l think that Herman Wouk's and Dan Curtis' movie about World War ll 293 00:17:57,523 --> 00:18:02,984 is an enormous antiwar document without being didactic. 294 00:18:03,162 --> 00:18:07,428 l think this is enormously instructive. lt's interesting. lt's fast-moving. 295 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,569 And l think all of us can always learn from history. 296 00:18:10,736 --> 00:18:12,499 When l got the part in Winds of War, 297 00:18:12,671 --> 00:18:17,540 l had no idea what a big deal this job was. l just really did not. 298 00:18:17,710 --> 00:18:19,871 l knew l was doing a big miniseries, 299 00:18:20,045 --> 00:18:24,345 but l don't think anyone knew how popular it was going to be, 300 00:18:24,517 --> 00:18:28,920 and that on the week or the ten days when it was airing, 301 00:18:29,088 --> 00:18:32,524 you could drive through the town, and there wouldn't be a car on the streets. 302 00:18:32,691 --> 00:18:35,285 l mean, it was amazing. 303 00:18:35,628 --> 00:18:38,096 There were areas of L.A. that were like a ghost town 304 00:18:38,264 --> 00:18:40,323 because everybody was home watching television. 305 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:47,398 lt's hard to describe the rush that you feel when you get those ratings, 306 00:18:47,573 --> 00:18:51,407 but it certainly is extraordinary, and it's also nice to know 307 00:18:51,577 --> 00:18:55,741 that you're actually probably going to keep your job until lunch of that day. 308 00:18:55,915 --> 00:18:59,908 l give credit to Brandon Stoddard of ABC for taking this enormous gamble 309 00:19:00,085 --> 00:19:05,148 on the notion that the attention span of the audience could be held 310 00:19:05,324 --> 00:19:09,886 three hours a night straight through six nights of prime time. 311 00:19:10,062 --> 00:19:11,825 l don't know if it could be done today. 312 00:19:11,997 --> 00:19:15,364 l don't know that the audiences today would stand still for it. 313 00:19:15,534 --> 00:19:18,025 Herman Wouk and Dan Curtis 314 00:19:18,337 --> 00:19:20,703 were able to tell their story 315 00:19:20,873 --> 00:19:27,039 and to have their story impact on the lives of tens of millions of people. 316 00:19:27,213 --> 00:19:30,080 And that is surely a lasting contribution 317 00:19:30,249 --> 00:19:32,513 to Holocaust education and remembrance. 318 00:19:32,685 --> 00:19:36,121 l definitely think that Winds of War 319 00:19:36,288 --> 00:19:38,756 and War and Remembrance, 320 00:19:38,924 --> 00:19:42,451 it's anthology of the wartime, 321 00:19:42,628 --> 00:19:47,156 l think one of the best documents ever made 322 00:19:47,666 --> 00:19:49,361 about this war. 323 00:19:49,668 --> 00:19:52,569 l didn't know whether l could do it. 324 00:19:53,506 --> 00:19:56,373 l didn't know whether 325 00:19:56,609 --> 00:19:59,510 people would be interested in the Second World War. 326 00:19:59,678 --> 00:20:02,442 l wrote them during the Vietnam War 327 00:20:02,615 --> 00:20:04,014 with marchers outside 328 00:20:04,183 --> 00:20:07,744 and the kind of turmoil in the country that we now have with lraq. 329 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,753 That was going on then when l was writing the books. 330 00:20:10,923 --> 00:20:15,155 Many a day, l looked out of my Washington, D.C. window, 331 00:20:15,327 --> 00:20:17,591 and l could see marchers going by. 332 00:20:17,763 --> 00:20:24,498 l said to myself, ''Who cares? Who will care about this book?'' 333 00:20:27,740 --> 00:20:32,268 lf you've got a theme in which you believe... 334 00:20:32,444 --> 00:20:34,537 At least this is the way l've always worked... 335 00:20:34,713 --> 00:20:37,409 You do it, and then you see what happens. 336 00:20:37,583 --> 00:20:40,177 The fact that the books... 337 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,252 ...worked the way they did 338 00:20:43,422 --> 00:20:46,357 and the way that the miniseries worked the way they did 339 00:20:46,525 --> 00:20:48,789 is just enduring satisfaction to me. 340 00:20:48,961 --> 00:20:52,328 But l put in the time and l put in the effort, 341 00:20:52,498 --> 00:20:55,558 and l stand by the outcome. 342 00:20:55,734 --> 00:20:58,430 l can remember Brandon saying to me, 343 00:20:58,971 --> 00:21:00,996 ''OK, 344 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,170 ''l'll get them in the tent.'' He promoted the hell out of it. 345 00:21:04,343 --> 00:21:06,777 The promotion on The Winds of War was gigantic. 346 00:21:06,946 --> 00:21:09,710 ''After that, it's going to be up to you.'' 347 00:21:09,882 --> 00:21:14,751 l says, ''OK.'' l says, ''What kind of a number do you want?'' 348 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,412 He said, ''Anything with a five in front of it.'' 349 00:21:18,691 --> 00:21:21,558 Six o'clock in the morning the telephone rings, 350 00:21:21,727 --> 00:21:24,423 and it's Brandon, and l said, ''Yeah?'' 351 00:21:24,597 --> 00:21:29,432 He said, ''64 share, 352 00:21:29,602 --> 00:21:34,130 80 million people.'' Something insane, right? 353 00:21:34,907 --> 00:21:37,341 He was so happy, and l'm jumping up and down. 354 00:21:37,509 --> 00:21:40,945 When that thing ran that week, 355 00:21:41,513 --> 00:21:43,242 it was... 356 00:21:43,415 --> 00:21:47,545 lt averaged a 64 share throughout the entire week. 357 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,451 l remember being in the supermarket buying something, 358 00:21:51,624 --> 00:21:55,526 and people in the line are yelling at people in front of them to go faster. 359 00:21:55,694 --> 00:21:58,822 They have to go home to watch it. The restaurants were empty. 360 00:21:58,998 --> 00:22:00,795 Matteo's was a restaurant l used to go to. 361 00:22:00,966 --> 00:22:02,797 The guy who ran Matteo's said to me, 362 00:22:02,968 --> 00:22:05,129 ''You're killing my business. Nobody's in here.'' 363 00:22:05,304 --> 00:22:08,068 lt was, like, a just national experience. 364 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,572 The world was watching The Winds of War. 365 00:22:10,743 --> 00:22:12,836 lt was the most unbelievable experience. 366 00:22:13,012 --> 00:22:15,674 My wife called up Chasen's because we had a little party, 367 00:22:15,848 --> 00:22:17,611 and she wanted to get some chili. 368 00:22:17,783 --> 00:22:21,014 She heard that the chili at Chasen's was great, right? 369 00:22:21,186 --> 00:22:24,747 So Maude Chasen gets on the telephone and she says, 370 00:22:24,923 --> 00:22:28,586 ''This isn't a takeout place. We don't send out chili.'' 371 00:22:28,761 --> 00:22:31,924 And then she says, ''Who did you say you were?'' 372 00:22:32,097 --> 00:22:33,826 And she said... 373 00:22:34,933 --> 00:22:37,902 ...''Mrs. Dan Curtis.'' And she says, 374 00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:41,237 ''Winds of War Dan Curtis?'' 375 00:22:41,874 --> 00:22:43,432 And she says, ''That's right.'' 376 00:22:43,609 --> 00:22:46,237 She says, ''How much chili do you want?'' 377 00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:50,448 lt was an incredible experience. 32282

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