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>> you talked earlier about that record low approval rating

That record low approval rating for president biden and the

For president biden and the skepticism over his leadership

Skepticism over his leadership extends deep inside his own

Extends deep inside his own party. Only 36% of democrats

Party. Only 36% of democrats think that their party should

Think that their party should nominate joe biden for a second

Nominate joe biden for a second term. 58% say they would

Term. 58% say they would support someone else. You're

Support someone else. You're seeing real weaknesses in the

Seeing real weaknesses in the coalition that powered joe

Coalition that powered joe biden to the presidency back in

Biden to the presidency back in 2020.

2020. >> I've been running 350 days

>> I've been running 350 days a year since

Hotel hall running

Mr. Carville, glad you're enjoying your afternoon walk.

Enjoying your afternoon walk. >> you know shit, I thought I

>> you know shit, I thought I was jogging

The world to eat quite a probably one and a half times

>> running is easy on your joints. You can shower right

Joints. You can shower right after. There's no wind.

After. There's no wind. There's no rain. There's no

There's no rain. There's no cold. There's one big downside.

Cold. There's one big downside. It's not overly scenic but any

It's not overly scenic but any 79 year old will tell you they

79 year old will tell you they don't look at the horizon any

Don't look at the horizon any way. You just look at what's in

Way. You just look at what's in front of you because you're

Front of you because you're scared you're going to trip

America. And they don't want him back.

Him back. >> jimmy carville

>> helped put bill clinton in the white house.

The white house. >> he ran the little rock war

>> he ran the little rock war room, home to the famous sign.

Room, home to the famous sign. It's the economy, stupid.

It's the economy, stupid. >> you are considered probably

>> you are considered probably james, the hottest political

James, the hottest political strategist in the country look

Strategist in the country look james, in all due respect is a

James, in all due respect is a political hack. I ain't

Political hack. I ain't apologizing to no one for what

Apologizing to no one for what I did for a living. And you

I did for a living. And you shouldn't either. If you want

Shouldn't either. If you want to go into politics that boy

To go into politics that boy looks like he swam too close to

Looks like he swam too close to a nuclear reactor. James is

A nuclear reactor. James is affectionately known as the

Affectionately known as the ragin cajun. Drag a $2

Ragin cajun. Drag a $2 microphone through the bayou.

Microphone through the bayou. You just might find james

You just might find james carville.

Carville. >> democrats whine too much.

>> democrats whine too much. >> there are a lot of people

>> there are a lot of people who don't know him, who thinks

Who don't know him, who thinks he tries very hard to be

He tries very hard to be eccentric. Those of us who know

Eccentric. Those of us who know him know that he's actually

Him know that he's actually trying very hard to be normal

Trying very hard to be normal and just not ever getting there

And just not ever getting there no knock on your

Some history sir. Too much. >> he is a dreamboat.

>> he is a dreamboat. >> although we're quick to

>> although we're quick to concede that he's an acquired

Concede that he's an acquired taste I always think I'm going

Taste I always think I'm going to win. I never go into any

To win. I never go into any contest with defeat on my mind

Contest with defeat on my mind you are here for a purpose.

You are here for a purpose. >> you are here to help people

National poll? >> cost of living and crime

>> cost of living and crime were the two biggest issues

More than seven. >> I'm all right yeah, I'm in

>> I'm all right yeah, I'm in town until after memorial day

Town until after memorial day hey hey. Hello?

Hey hey. Hello? >> tommy tuberville. Made my

>> tommy tuberville. Made my day.

Day. >> he is a colossal fool, and

>> he is a colossal fool, and he doesn't know it.

He doesn't know it. >> yeah what did you think of

>> yeah what did you think of the inflation number? James has

The inflation number? James has several knitting clubs people

Several knitting clubs people who he calls all day, every

Who he calls all day, every day. Crack of dawn. First thing

Day. Crack of dawn. First thing in the morning. Last thing at

In the morning. Last thing at night. These are very deep

Night. These are very deep foxhole buddies.

Foxhole buddies. >> okay. Okay. Hey, I got to

>> okay. Okay. Hey, I got to take this. This business call.

Take this. This business call. I got to take this okay?

I got to take this okay? >> I can probably count on 2 or

>> I can probably count on 2 or 3 hands. The number of days

3 hands. The number of days over the last 30 years where I

Over the last 30 years where I didn't speak to james at least

Didn't speak to james at least once. He's probably got seven

Once. He's probably got seven dozen people on speed dial.

Dozen people on speed dial. >> hey, uh, give me a call when

>> hey, uh, give me a call when you get a chance. Thanks.

You get a chance. Thanks. >> hello yes, sir. John mack,

>> hello yes, sir. John mack, four times a day. George

Four times a day. George stephanopoulos. Paul begala

Stephanopoulos. Paul begala butthead.

Butthead. >> I don't know butt-head's

>> I don't know butt-head's real name.

Real name. >> oh. What are you doing?

>> oh. What are you doing? Another poll anytime soon?

Another poll anytime soon? >> yeah he's not calling and

>> yeah he's not calling and saying, how's your son?

Saying, how's your son? >> he's calling and saying

>> he's calling and saying what's going on? Which means

What's going on? Which means what do you hear politically?

What do you hear politically? What do you think? Have you

What do you think? Have you seen this? Did you read that?

Seen this? Did you read that? Let me send you this.

Let me send you this. >> hey, you call james writes

>> hey, you call james writes by talking on the phone.

By talking on the phone. >> that's the way his mind

>> that's the way his mind works.

Works. >> most people don't know that

>> most people don't know that this congress has failed to

This congress has failed to produce a budget.

Produce a budget. >> he works through what his

>> he works through what his message is, and he often see it

There is no budget. And we cannot let people forget that.

Cannot let people forget that. It's very critical.

It's very critical. >> I have talked to james

>> I have talked to james carville every single day since

Carville every single day since 1983.

1983. >> I don't miss it usually

>> I don't miss it usually more than once a day.

More than once a day. >> he is so much more a student

>> he is so much more a student of the game than people give

Of the game than people give him credit for.

Him credit for. >> he knows all your votes all

>> he knows all your votes all your quotes, and they're locked

Your quotes, and they're locked in. He is the smartest son of a

In. He is the smartest son of a bitch who's ever done this for

Bitch who's ever done this for a living.

A living. >> the percentage of people who

>> the percentage of people who think trump has the mental

Think trump has the mental fitness for office has gone up.

Fitness for office has gone up. >> I saw that up. That's

>> I saw that up. That's that's what shook me. That's

That's what shook me. That's what shook me. That's

What shook me. That's depressing.

Depressing. >> but because people think he

>> but because people think he there fighting use I was out

President biden. Absolutely, george. The skepticism over his

George. The skepticism over his leadership extends deep inside

Leadership extends deep inside his own party. A hypothetical

His own party. A hypothetical rematch trump versus biden

Rematch trump versus biden right now, a seven point edge

Right now, a seven point edge in our poll from in trump

In our poll from in trump leading biden. That tells us at

Leading biden. That tells us at this very early stage, george,

This very early stage, george, that this race is shaping up a

That this race is shaping up a lot more about the incumbent

Lot more about the incumbent president, joe biden, than it

President, joe biden, than it is about any of his

Is about any of his challengers.

Challengers. >> may seventh, 2023. That abc

>> may seventh, 2023. That abc washington post poll. It

Washington post poll. It knocked me right off my fucking

Knocked me right off my fucking horse. I don't think people

Horse. I don't think people appreciate how bad biden's poll

Appreciate how bad biden's poll numbers are.

Numbers are. >> it's like walking in on

>> it's like walking in on your grandmother naked. You

Your grandmother naked. You can't get the image out of your

Can't get the image out of your mind. The american public has

Mind. The american public has real doubts about this, and you

Real doubts about this, and you can see it in poll after poll

Can see it in poll after poll after poll.

After poll. >> these polls seem to get at

>> these polls seem to get at the elephant in the room when

The elephant in the room when it comes to president biden.

It comes to president biden. For voters it's his age that

For voters it's his age that they're concerned about his

They're concerned about his mental acuity, his health

>> I'm great. >> how are you? I'm wonderful

>> how are you? I'm wonderful hey hey, george is getting a

Hey hey, george is getting a lot of attention, huh?

Lot of attention, huh? >> jesus.

>> jesus. >> that's how people are

>> that's how people are talking about I think if we ran

Talking about I think if we ran somebody else, we'd get 54%.

Somebody else, we'd get 54%. Wow.

Wow. >> all right.

>> all right. >> 18% of the public thinks

>> 18% of the public thinks trump should be charged with

Trump should be charged with fraud.

Fraud. >> it's just amazing that 18%

>> it's just amazing that 18% of the country thinks he's a

Of the country thinks he's a criminal. But they vote for him

Criminal. But they vote for him anyway.

Anyway. >> during the clinton campaign

>> during the clinton campaign in 1992, fundamental core tenet

In 1992, fundamental core tenet was change versus more of the

Was change versus more of the same.

Same. >> there's nothing that says

>> there's nothing that says more of the same, more than joe

More of the same, more than joe biden versus donald trump. And

Biden versus donald trump. And james believes that you know,

James believes that you know, change wins.

Change wins. >> he reeks of yesterday. He

>> he reeks of yesterday. He was a sketch of yesterday he is

Was a sketch of yesterday he is he is.

He is. >> so yesterday if I think of

>> so yesterday if I think of yesterday, if I think of an old

Yesterday, if I think of an old calendar, I think of george

Calendar, I think of george bush's face on it.

Bush's face on it. >> tell you that america is

92, I think in 2024, who wins really matters. It's very

Really matters. It's very stark, right now. We got this

Stark, right now. We got this horrible threat of trump coming

Horrible threat of trump coming back into office we're in

Back into office we're in unchartered territory right

Unchartered territory right here. A lot of people are

Here. A lot of people are confounded by how close the

Confounded by how close the race is given. President

Race is given. President biden's record and given what

Biden's record and given what we know about donald trump he

We know about donald trump he admires biden a lot and thinks

Admires biden a lot and thinks he's been a very good

He's been a very good president but it's hard to make

President but it's hard to make the case that joe biden can win

The case that joe biden can win an easy reelection because he

An easy reelection because he can't. Hello, mr. Carville,

Can't. Hello, mr. Carville, this is joe in the control

This is joe in the control room. Are you able to hear me?

Room. Are you able to hear me? >> I hear you fine. New york,

>> I hear you fine. New york, the path to victory is his

The path to victory is his religion. That's what he cares

Religion. That's what he cares about. How do you get from here

About. How do you get from here to there? And there has to be

To there? And there has to be winning.

Winning. >> so let me bring in the

>> so let me bring in the democratic strategist, james

Democratic strategist, james carville.

Carville. >> there's still a lot left to

>> there's still a lot left to go here before the inevitable

Go here before the inevitable happens. I think this is not a

Happens. I think this is not a normal election right now.

Normal election right now. >> gent. We're in a fight for

>> gent. We're in a fight for the constitution of the united

The constitution of the united states. The only hope for the

States. The only hope for the united states of america is the

United states of america is the democratic party that's it I

Democratic party that's it I don't think that we have given

Don't think that we have given this sufficient thought.

This sufficient thought. >> I think we've taken too much

>> I think we've taken too much of a chance to lose him but

Of a chance to lose him but I've said it when he speaks,

I've said it when he speaks, people listen because he tells

People listen because he tells the truth. But do you really

The truth. But do you really think anybody is going to cast

Think anybody is going to cast a yes or no vote for biden?

A yes or no vote for biden? Dependent on what james

Dependent on what james carville says

You later. Get ready for a show. Thanks, david. Appreciate

Show. Thanks, david. Appreciate it. Thank you going back

It. Thank you going back virtually no. The baby has

Virtually no. The baby has pinkeye so, you know, I'm not

Pinkeye so, you know, I'm not sure, but mr. Wilson is giving

Sure, but mr. Wilson is giving me a private welding lesson

Me a private welding lesson today, and I'm going to fix

Today, and I'm going to fix this what now mr. Wilson is

This what now mr. Wilson is giving me private welding class

Giving me private welding class today, and I'm going to fix

Today, and I'm going to fix that weather vane

Vane. >> I don't think I'm going to

>> I don't think I'm going to take the squeaker.

Take the squeaker. >> I like the squeaker I'm

>> I like the squeaker I'm going to be welded de rust.

Going to be welded de rust. >> it pound it out, paint it.

>> it pound it out, paint it. >> voila you have no idea how

>> voila you have no idea how much shit I have mary was a

Much shit I have mary was a hardcore republican operative

Hardcore republican operative she had worked with the george

She had worked with the george h.W bush campaign in 92. So if

H.W bush campaign in 92. So if opposites have ever attracted,

Opposites have ever attracted, this is certainly the case.

This is certainly the case. >> people know you both as the

>> people know you both as the democrat and the republican.

Democrat and the republican. And so inevitably they want to

And so inevitably they want to hear. Right. Tell us about the

Hear. Right. Tell us about the fights. Tell us about the

Fights. Tell us about the disagreements. Well I want to

Disagreements. Well I want to start with a general principle

Start with a general principle when you're famous for a thing

When you're famous for a thing and that's what people see you

And that's what people see you as.

As. >> absolutely. We come from a

>> absolutely. We come from a different era where you could

Different era where you could talk about politics and you

Talk about politics and you could disagree.

Could disagree. >> chino is now my travel dog

>> chino is now my travel dog that is his is our fixture

That is his is our fixture them. They both passionately

Them. They both passionately love their country they both

Love their country they both passionately love politics

Passionately love politics they're both really expert and

They're both really expert and they're students of the game

They're students of the game but they're on different

But they're on different sides.

Sides. >> they have such a famous I

>> they have such a famous I know it's like a cliche. It's

Know it's like a cliche. It's such a famous mixed marriage.

Such a famous mixed marriage. She's a devout republican.

She's a devout republican. He's a reptile. And yet

He's a reptile. And yet they've made it work over the

They've made it work over the years.

Years. >> I'm really a conservative.

>> I'm really a conservative. He's really a liberal.

He's really a liberal. >> there's three things I

>> there's three things I ain't changing. I ain't

Ain't changing. I ain't changing wives. I'm not

Changing wives. I'm not changing sexual orientation.

Changing sexual orientation. I'm not changing political

I'm not changing political parties. We're going to go to

Parties. We're going to go to the house with what we got

The house with what we got here.

Here. >> okay those of us inside the

>> okay those of us inside the beltway these days the toast of

Beltway these days the toast of the town are james and mary

The town are james and mary when james and mary got

When james and mary got together, they were able to

Together, they were able to parlay it into books, speaking

Parlay it into books, speaking gigs, appearances

Running for president. They were a subject of fascination.

Were a subject of fascination. No one could figure out their

No one could figure out their relationship but everybody

Relationship but everybody loved the two of them.

Loved the two of them. >> here you are in the war camp

>> here you are in the war camp of the clinton administration

Of the clinton administration in the war camp of the bush

In the war camp of the bush administration and this passion

Administration and this passion is happening it worked because

Is happening it worked because it was real.

It was real. >> they were both true to

>> they were both true to themselves and true to the

Themselves and true to the marriage and true to their

Marriage and true to their profession. At the same time.

Profession. At the same time. >> that's pretty hard to pull

>> that's pretty hard to pull off.

Off. >> how are you doing this

>> how are you doing this serpent heads? My husband,

Serpent heads? My husband, james carville don't call me

James carville don't call me that. We would fight over the

That. We would fight over the funniest insults, 22nd most

Funniest insults, 22nd most loathsome thing on earth me,

Loathsome thing on earth me, 1994. What will you say to

1994. What will you say to people? Oh, carville, there he

People? Oh, carville, there he is exploiting his celebrity

Is exploiting his celebrity I'll say that right there was

I'll say that right there was that crazy television show they

That crazy television show they did k street, where they kind

Did k street, where they kind of became themselves on camera.

Of became themselves on camera. >> our first date was

>> that's right the public, james and mary were a show they

James and mary were a show they made money being a democrat and

Made money being a democrat and a republican that made people

A republican that made people wonder, is it real? One pundit

Wonder, is it real? One pundit actually had the temerity not

Actually had the temerity not knowing them to write that it

Knowing them to write that it was all a stunt nobody knows a

Was all a stunt nobody knows a marriage except the one that

Marriage except the one that they're in everybody does it

They're in everybody does it differently.

Differently. >> there is no model

>> what do I know? But the secret I believe to their

Secret I believe to their marriage is they don't talk

Marriage is they don't talk about politics.

About politics. >> what is it like living with

>> what is it like living with you two?

You two? >> I mean, Friday night, if we

>> I mean, Friday night, if we weren't with you, we'd

Weren't with you, we'd probably be having a good,

Probably be having a good, stiff drink, which we're about

Stiff drink, which we're about to go do right now anyway.

To go do right now anyway. >> all right I'll let you go do

>> all right I'll let you go do that, mary. Thank you. James

That, mary. Thank you. James carville. Thank you. You bet.

Carville. Thank you. You bet. >> kind of like to join them

You? >> I'm good. You know your

>> I'm good. You know your headphones aren't working again

Headphones aren't working again are they? No, it's better with

Are they? No, it's better with the, uh the sound. But I think

The, uh the sound. But I think talking to this microphone

Talking to this microphone helps if we're talking to this

Helps if we're talking to this microphone that I can't hear.

Microphone that I can't hear. >> is that dan talking?

>> is that dan talking? >> no, it's joe.

>> no, it's joe. >> when you're listening and

>> when you're listening and speaking into the.

Speaking into the. >> okay. Back now. Okay no

Know why we need a president not in his 70s, this fucking

Not in his 70s, this fucking program will tell you

War room with james carville. >> and I'm al hunt an abc

>> and I'm al hunt an abc washington post poll last

Washington post poll last weekend just ricocheted around

Weekend just ricocheted around the body politic. His black

The body politic. His black approval is around 60%. We're

Approval is around 60%. We're not going to get black turnout

Not going to get black turnout anywhere where we need it in

Anywhere where we need it in 2024, with biden and most

2024, with biden and most people, including james, is not

People, including james, is not just a tv personality. He uses

Just a tv personality. He uses that platform to advance

That platform to advance political strategies and he's

Political strategies and he's very thoughtful about what he

Very thoughtful about what he does.

Does. >> the country has become

>> the country has become immune to staggering,

Immune to staggering, breathtaking corruption at the

Breathtaking corruption at the supreme court james has a

Supreme court james has a unique voice one that resonates

Unique voice one that resonates not just in democratic circles,

Not just in democratic circles, but republican circles as well.

But republican circles as well. And what I've always enjoyed

And what I've always enjoyed about his insights and analysis

About his insights and analysis is that he talks like he's a

Is that he talks like he's a real person because he

Real person because he interacts with real people.

Interacts with real people. >> the only way to talk about

>> the only way to talk about the republican party is in the

The republican party is in the past tense. We keep thinking

Past tense. We keep thinking that they'll do the right

That they'll do the right thing, that they're really

Thing, that they're really americans first. And

Americans first. And republicans second.

Republicans second. >> oh bullshit.

>> oh bullshit. >> total

>> republicans create a lot of distractions, and democrats get

Distractions, and democrats get distracted.

Distracted. >> it is a border showdown

>> it is a border showdown record.

Record. >> biden migrant crimes.

>> biden migrant crimes. >> every time you hear migrant

>> every time you hear migrant crime

Releasing criminal illegal aliens over and over and over

Aliens over and over and over again?

Again? >> we don't need illegal

>> we don't need illegal aliens voting in our elections.

Aliens voting in our elections. >> as journalists, we're

>> as journalists, we're looking for the most colorful

Looking for the most colorful quote that makes viewers

Quote that makes viewers actually perk up when they hear

Actually perk up when they hear it. The way that carville

It. The way that carville delivers, that he comes with

Delivers, that he comes with the expertise, but the package

The expertise, but the package that he presents it in is just

That he presents it in is just different than everybody else.

Different than everybody else. >> there are those who suggest

>> there are those who suggest that somehow taylor swift is

That somehow taylor swift is fixing the super bowl to help

Fixing the super bowl to help joe biden.

Joe biden. >> I think most of these people

>> I think most of these people are sexually inadequate, he

Are sexually inadequate, he goes out of his way to get

Goes out of his way to get shit. The man is a two fisted

Shit. The man is a two fisted shit catcher that energizes

Shit catcher that energizes him.

Him. >> he'll tell you very

>> he'll tell you very quickly, tell the truth tell it

Quickly, tell the truth tell it like it is, and that's what

Like it is, and that's what makes it funny. That's what

Makes it funny. That's what makes it interesting. That's

Makes it interesting. That's what helps.

What helps. >> and he gets out there with

>> and he gets out there with an lsu hat and a pink

An lsu hat and a pink sweatshirt drooling and

Sweatshirt drooling and spitting glasses so dirty it's

Spitting glasses so dirty it's like insane.

Like insane. >> oh, my god. But the one

>> oh, my god. But the one thing you can say about him he

Thing you can say about him he is relentlessly authentic.

Is relentlessly authentic. >> I've been more excited about

>> I've been more excited about colonoscopies than he wasn't

Colonoscopies than he wasn't giving a speech tonight he

Giving a speech tonight he didn't want.

Didn't want. >> when you see james carville,

>> when you see james carville, you're looking at the face of

You're looking at the face of louisiana no frills, kind of

Louisiana no frills, kind of straight at it.

Straight at it. >> how you doing?

>> how you doing? >> he speaks in a way that

>> he speaks in a way that people go. That guy is

People go. That guy is different.

Different. >> it's so nice to meet you.

>> it's so nice to meet you. >> yes, sir. Thank you. He is

>> yes, sir. Thank you. He is rooted in place, and he's proud

Rooted in place, and he's proud of it, as he should be and he

Of it, as he should be and he thinks the rest of the country

Thinks the rest of the country could learn a lot from it

>> harry

Louisiana is like it's water everywhere.

Everywhere. >> hello

Kara alaimo sits on main street.

Street. >> when I was growing up you

>> when I was growing up you know, you would have the am

Know, you would have the am dial and it was common that you

Dial and it was common that you would pick up a french language

Would pick up a french language radio station, al-awda ambrose

Radio station, al-awda ambrose kimono.

Kimono. >> hey, mama. You

Grew up it was very rural. It was very pristine

Now officially in carville, louisiana

Interesting story, because you look at a map of louisiana

Look at a map of louisiana prior to 1909.

Prior to 1909. >> it was called island, and

>> it was called island, and there was a sicily island.

There was a sicily island. There's a pecan island.

There's a pecan island. >> there's about five other

>> there's about five other island place names. And the

Island place names. And the mail kept getting mixed up and

Mail kept getting mixed up and my grandfather at the time was

My grandfather at the time was the postmaster. So they said,

The postmaster. So they said, well we'll just name the postal

Well we'll just name the postal designation carville because it

Designation carville because it was named after my family

Was named after my family people assumed that we were

People assumed that we were land barons. It was understand

Land barons. It was understand we were small time bureaucrats.

We were small time bureaucrats. We had a good name. We could

We had a good name. We could get into any club. We just

Get into any club. We just couldn't pay the dues

Father was born in. If you were in carville in 1920, this would

In carville in 1920, this would definitely be top three pieces

Definitely be top three pieces of residential real estate

Louisiana architecture probably if you lived here, you were

If you lived here, you were black I grew up thinking my

Black I grew up thinking my daddy said we had the best

Daddy said we had the best climate in the world. We had

Climate in the world. We had the finest peaches in the

The finest peaches in the world. We had the finest

World. We had the finest strawberries anywhere. We had

Strawberries anywhere. We had the most fertile soil in the

The most fertile soil in the world. We're the luckiest

World. We're the luckiest people in the world. He didn't

People in the world. He didn't say, you're growing up in some

Say, you're growing up in some shithole on a mississippi river

That was a big thing I discovered air conditioning in

Discovered air conditioning in masturbation about the same

Masturbation about the same time in my life. And boy, what

Time in my life. And boy, what a what a wild combo

Louisiana this is the intersection of whatever and

Intersection of whatever and whatever we don't have two stop

Whatever we don't have two stop signs.

Signs. >> we have one. It's the only

>> we have one. It's the only stop sign in carville. It's

Stop sign in carville. It's right there how are you pretty

Right there how are you pretty good. Trying to tell him about

Good. Trying to tell him about the metropolitan area.

The metropolitan area. >> yeah yeah

>> and the facade has changed a little bit they've shut the

Little bit they've shut the post office down, but that's

Post office down, but that's the original building

Everything we had the only telephone in carville mr.

Telephone in carville mr. Carville. Charles, get out of

Carville. Charles, get out of here I'm doing good man.

Here I'm doing good man. >> he grew up right next to me.

>> he grew up right next to me. Yeah, I mean, literally I mean,

Yeah, I mean, literally I mean, this is my next door neighbor

Here at first was a typical general store so if you wanted

General store so if you wanted something that would get it for

Something that would get it for you

Shit, this is hot that's probably me. Yes I don't know,

Probably me. Yes I don't know, but look at that.

But look at that. >> is that carville? Is that

>> is that carville? Is that carville I didn't like wearing

Carville I didn't like wearing suits and wool stuff god, I

Suits and wool stuff god, I hated that

>> she wanted 12 children. Ended up with eight. We always

Ended up with eight. We always thought of james as saint

Thought of james as saint james. He could do no wrong

James. He could do no wrong right here. This angelic human

Right here. This angelic human being. Yeah, yeah. You think I

Being. Yeah, yeah. You think I didn't try to please my mother

Mama's boy, aren't you? Yeah, I am a mama's boy.

Am a mama's boy. >> yeah. You call your mom? How

>> yeah. You call your mom? How many times a day?

Many times a day? >> well, I call home. I call my

>> well, I call home. I call my mama I call one of my sisters.

Mama I call one of my sisters. I say almost every I probably

I say almost every I probably some days, five times, some

Some days, five times, some days five times. It depends.

Days five times. It depends. Depending on what?

Depending on what? >> how nervous he is you can't

>> how nervous he is you can't know james, if you didn't know

Know james, if you didn't know miss nippy she would say I love

Miss nippy she would say I love all my children but james is

All my children but james is just special god only made two

Just special god only made two perfect people, jesus christ

Perfect people, jesus christ and my baby james.

And my baby james. >> that'd be like, really she

>> that'd be like, really she worshiped and adored him and

Worshiped and adored him and was every bit as brilliant and

Was every bit as brilliant and eccentric to supplement the

Eccentric to supplement the income for the family, she

Income for the family, she ended up selling encyclopedias,

Ended up selling encyclopedias, which she was fantastic at. It

Which she was fantastic at. It this is how good of a huckster

This is how good of a huckster she was.

She was. >> she would go around south

>> she would go around south louisiana in a car. She said

Louisiana in a car. She said son, we're looking for two

Son, we're looking for two things.

Things. >> we're looking for a bass

>> we're looking for a bass boat and bicycles because

Boat and bicycles because that's that's going to say

That's that's going to say that there's disposable income

That there's disposable income in that house and they have

In that house and they have children.

Children. >> that's what she was looking

>> that's what she was looking for. Some indication of a kid

For. Some indication of a kid who would want the

Who would want the encyclopedia. She'd see the

Encyclopedia. She'd see the basketball.

Basketball. >> inevitably, the father would

>> inevitably, the father would walk in and he said, well, miss

Walk in and he said, well, miss carville, I'm sorry we just

Carville, I'm sorry we just can't afford that right now.

Can't afford that right now. And she said, well you know, I

And she said, well you know, I see you can afford a bass boat

See you can afford a bass boat for yourself. I just find it

For yourself. I just find it amazing that you can't afford

Amazing that you can't afford an encyclopedia for your kid.

An encyclopedia for your kid. >> it's like genius.

>> it's like genius. >> I mean it was 100%.

>> I mean it was 100%. >> I am the son of a great

>> I am the son of a great salesperson we have come to

Salesperson we have come to devalue salesmanship if you're

Devalue salesmanship if you're not willing to sell, you're not

Not willing to sell, you're not willing to win

Housing. >> there

In carville was a treatment center for hansen's disease.

Center for hansen's disease. >> it's what made the place I

>> it's what made the place I grew up different than any

Grew up different than any other place, and probably an

Other place, and probably an entire south.

Entire south. >> the national leprosarium,

>> the national leprosarium, which is the marine hospital at

Which is the marine hospital at carville louisiana, has under

Carville louisiana, has under treatment more than 300

Treatment more than 300 patients who are lepers if you

Patients who are lepers if you were in carville in 1959,

Were in carville in 1959, let's just say population was

Let's just say population was 1400 of the people had leprosy

1400 of the people had leprosy and 550 were black okay.

And 550 were black okay. >> I mean, if you didn't get

>> I mean, if you didn't get along with people you have a

Along with people you have a pretty, you know, a pretty

Pretty, you know, a pretty lonely life you have people who

Lonely life you have people who are shunned by society that

Are shunned by society that gave him his sense of the other

Gave him his sense of the other and a great compassion for them

And a great compassion for them james was one of the few

James was one of the few strategists that understood

Strategists that understood that there were millions of

That there were millions of americans who lived on the

Americans who lived on the outskirts of hope.

Outskirts of hope. >> he's always been able to

>> he's always been able to see beyond the levees, and

See beyond the levees, and that's something natural that

That's something natural that comes to a man who understands

Comes to a man who understands what what it is to come from

What what it is to come from nowhere, to become something in

Nowhere, to become something in this world.

This world. >> he grew up in jim crow

>> he grew up in jim crow segregated, agrarian south, and

Segregated, agrarian south, and saw the injustice.

Saw the injustice. >> and it pains him to this day

>> and it pains him to this day I grew up in a place that was

I grew up in a place that was overwhelmingly black. Could see

Overwhelmingly black. Could see that I led one life, and for

That I led one life, and for the most part, they led another

The most part, they led another life when it was not only not

Life when it was not only not popular, it was dangerous to

Popular, it was dangerous to take a pro-civil rights stand

Take a pro-civil rights stand took a lot of courage and james

Took a lot of courage and james carville did it and he didn't

Carville did it and he didn't do it quietly

Money in their pocket, forget where they came from, and then

Where they came from, and then go support policies that

Go support policies that actually hurt the people that

Actually hurt the people that you grew up with.

>> james was never that way during the clinton campaign we

During the clinton campaign we were working towards putting

Were working towards putting people first.

People first. >> that came so naturally to

>> that came so naturally to james and it also, I think was

James and it also, I think was fuel for him knowing that in

Fuel for him knowing that in some way he'd be giving back to

Some way he'd be giving back to the people who helped raise

The people who helped raise him.

Him. >> our mission is to empower

>> our mission is to empower people to get these incomes up.

People to get these incomes up. Our mission is to do something

Our mission is to do something about these health care costs

About these health care costs and to invest in people and

And to invest in people and recognize that this nation can

Recognize that this nation can never be any richer than the

Never be any richer than the people in it.

People in it. >> we keep our focus on that.

>> we keep our focus on that. We will become a nation of

We will become a nation of fishermen and fish and women

Fishermen and fish and women and not a nation of fish givers

>> 831 3700.

>> so Wednesday what are we doing, ari and ac?

Doing, ari and ac? >> yeah you have ari melber in

>> yeah you have ari melber in the afternoon and then you have

The afternoon and then you have ac 360. That evening. Um, and

Ac 360. That evening. Um, and the podcast. And then Friday, I

The podcast. And then Friday, I you head to cleveland for your

You head to cleveland for your wsb through atlanta, and then

Wsb through atlanta, and then that speech in california came

That speech in california came through where in california,

Through where in california, newport beach and it's on what

Newport beach and it's on what day of the what's the date?

Day of the what's the date? >> it's Monday, the 24th. So

>> it's Monday, the 24th. So you'll go straight from there

You'll go straight from there to aspen.

To aspen. >> it's hard to believe

>> it's hard to believe somebody actually wants to see

Somebody actually wants to see my face.

My face. >> they're going to see a lot

>> they're going to see a lot of it, too

Routine is running shoes, running shorts and good

Running shorts and good bourbon.

Bourbon. >> I put it in those little

>> I put it in those little bottles you buy at walgreens

Right

Little indica gummies here

Carville is back in the news again.

Again. >> democrats are telling him to

>> democrats are telling him to keep his damn mouth shut.

Keep his damn mouth shut. Don't talk about biden's

Don't talk about biden's sinking poll numbers.

Sinking poll numbers. >> you said, quote, nobody's

>> you said, quote, nobody's saying, james, you're wrong.

Saying, james, you're wrong. They're saying james, you

They're saying james, you can't say that.

Can't say that. >> james has been very honest

>> james has been very honest and up front about what he sees

And up front about what he sees as joe biden's weaknesses. But

As joe biden's weaknesses. But like any other political

Like any other political strategist sometimes we get it

Strategist sometimes we get it right. Sometimes we get it

Right. Sometimes we get it wrong. I'm not bad when not

Wrong. I'm not bad when not yet democratic senator john

Yet democratic senator john fetterman went after famed

Fetterman went after famed political strategist james

Political strategist james carville. Quote, I'll use this

Carville. Quote, I'll use this as another opportunity to tell

As another opportunity to tell james carville to shut the

James carville to shut the quote up.

Quote up. >> they'd rather bury their

>> they'd rather bury their head in the sand than listen to

Head in the sand than listen to what carville's trying to tell

What carville's trying to tell him, and that biden is going to

Him, and that biden is going to lose on issue after issue.

Lose on issue after issue. They're trailing trump where

They're trailing trump where they really shouldn't be,

They really shouldn't be, including on the issue of

Including on the issue of democracy, by the way, where

Democracy, by the way, where biden's only leading him by

Biden's only leading him by three points. And if you want

Three points. And if you want to make that the centerpiece of

To make that the centerpiece of this election, which I believe

This election, which I believe it should be, you know,

It should be, you know, objective facts would suggest

Objective facts would suggest he should be blowing them out

He should be blowing them out of the water on that one.

Of the water on that one. >> alice, back to the politics.

>> alice, back to the politics. >> do doubts remain about the

>> do doubts remain about the president's age? Yeah but to

President's age? Yeah but to say this does not make me into

Say this does not make me into a bed wetter or whatever loser.

A bed wetter or whatever loser. >> had someone called you that?

>> had someone called you that? >> I think that yeah, I think

>> I think that yeah, I think they've called me a bed wetter

They've called me a bed wetter on any number of occasions.

On any number of occasions. I'm not offended by it. At

I'm not offended by it. At all. I guess I'm 5% offended

All. I guess I'm 5% offended that if you really think

That if you really think calling me a bed wetter is

Calling me a bed wetter is going to make me change my

Going to make me change my mind, but I don't think you

Mind, but I don't think you know who I am elections always

Know who I am elections always boil down to decisions. A bed

Boil down to decisions. A bed wetter is a person who only

Wetter is a person who only frets I have become the kind of

Frets I have become the kind of person that I used to hate. One

Person that I used to hate. One of these carping democrats. You

Of these carping democrats. You know, they never goddamn

Know, they never goddamn satisfied

The people said that president biden, physically or

Biden, physically or cognitively, can't do the job.

Cognitively, can't do the job. >> and by the way, he is old

>> and by the way, he is old age is something that everybody

Age is something that everybody deals with if you like me

Deals with if you like me you're dealing with it as we

You're dealing with it as we speak if you're a younger

Speak if you're a younger person you deal with it through

Person you deal with it through your parents or your

Your parents or your grandparents or somebody down

Grandparents or somebody down the street.

The street. >> you can't pivot from that.

>> you can't pivot from that. >> the president mr. President,

>> the president mr. President, on your right.

On your right. >> mr. President, I've heard

>> mr. President, I've heard james on the phone saying, what

James on the phone saying, what if I stop saying he's old,

If I stop saying he's old, he's going to get younger? I

He's going to get younger? I mean, it's not going to hurt

Mean, it's not going to hurt and I'm very pro age. I love

And I'm very pro age. I love that james is going to be 80

That james is going to be 80 and still whipper snapping

And still whipper snapping around, but he quits teaching

Around, but he quits teaching at lsu because it was too hard

At lsu because it was too hard to drive to baton rouge imagine

To drive to baton rouge imagine being president at that age.

Being president at that age. >> I am very comfortable that I

>> I am very comfortable that I am saying publicly what people

Am saying publicly what people are saying to themselves. I

Are saying to themselves. I have enough money. I have

Have enough money. I have enough, whatever. I could just

Enough, whatever. I could just shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up. >> james is nothing if not

>> james is nothing if not consistent. He's consistent in

Consistent. He's consistent in his boldness, consistent in his

His boldness, consistent in his willingness to say things that

Willingness to say things that his allies might not want to

His allies might not want to hear.

Hear. >> james is saying the flames

>> james is saying the flames are coming out of the engine.

Are coming out of the engine. The plane is going down and

The plane is going down and we're all just watching it

We're all just watching it happen

See you. Thank you the first campaign I ever worked on this

Campaign I ever worked on this is dating me was in 1959.

Is dating me was in 1959. >> this is my eighth decade in

>> this is my eighth decade in politics and my job was to work

Politics and my job was to work for a guy named price leblanc

For a guy named price leblanc against, uh boise, jamelle

Against, uh boise, jamelle bouie and my job was to tear

Bouie and my job was to tear boise human bills telephone

Boise human bills telephone poll signs.

Poll signs. >> now well, we lost.

>> now well, we lost. >> and uh, price went on to be

>> and uh, price went on to be one of the great toyota dealers

One of the great toyota dealers in the united states

Action toyota dealer. >> we're loaded with trucks.

>> we're loaded with trucks. Trucks. Trucks. Cars and

Trucks. Trucks. Cars and trucks.

Trucks. >> he taught me the value of

>> he taught me the value of salesmanship and

Not huckster enough. >> and louisiana has this

>> and louisiana has this incredible history of having

Incredible history of having colorful politicians. And james

Colorful politicians. And james of course, is the epitome of

Of course, is the epitome of that collar.

That collar. >> they go farther and farther

>> they go farther and farther and farther into economic

And farther into economic slavery.

Slavery. >> we followed politicians

>> we followed politicians campaigns and got attracted to

Campaigns and got attracted to it. Like it was a circus

It. Like it was a circus sideshow. You are my sunshine

Sideshow. You are my sunshine my only sunshine the defining

My only sunshine the defining political character of my youth

Political character of my youth was a man named earl.

Was a man named earl. >> long had this unbelievable

>> long had this unbelievable way of scaring people and he

Way of scaring people and he really went after powerful

Really went after powerful people.

People. >> there's only two classes of

>> there's only two classes of people that can get first class

People that can get first class hospital treatment that's the

Hospital treatment that's the poor, poor and the rich. Rich.

Poor, poor and the rich. Rich. >> these guys were bigger than

>> these guys were bigger than life because of their

Life because of their oratorical skills and fanciful

Oratorical skills and fanciful personalities.

Personalities. >> why do you keep talking out

>> why do you keep talking out of both sides of your mouth? So

Of both sides of your mouth? So a person with nothing between

A person with nothing between his ears, such as? You can

His ears, such as? You can understand what I'm saying.

Understand what I'm saying. >> there was a state senator

>> there was a state senator dudley j. Leblanc.

Dudley j. Leblanc. >> he was a huckster of the

>> he was a huckster of the first order. He comes up with a

First order. He comes up with a product called hadacol.

Product called hadacol. >> do the hadacol boogie

>> do the hadacol boogie hadacol boogie. The hadacol

Hadacol boogie. The hadacol boogie.

Boogie. >> anything that you had had a

>> anything that you had had a call could cure it was hugely

Call could cure it was hugely successful. Product leblanc did

Successful. Product leblanc did a road show called the hadacol

A road show called the hadacol tour. Kind of a traveling

Tour. Kind of a traveling circus, and the whole

Circus, and the whole combination of politics and

Combination of politics and hucksterism that got people out

Hucksterism that got people out and made politics relatable

And made politics relatable with a show business component

With a show business component of course, the fda found out

Of course, the fda found out that it was nothing but alcohol

That it was nothing but alcohol and bullshit. Hadacol what's

And bullshit. Hadacol what's that good for?

That good for? >> well, it was good for $5

>> well, it was good for $5 million for me last year and

Million for me last year and that's good enough for me

Young person, and you envision a career or life in politics. I

A career or life in politics. I never envisioned this carville

Never envisioned this carville was a poor student and dropped

Was a poor student and dropped out of college to join the

Out of college to join the marine corps.

Marine corps. >> that experience imposed

>> that experience imposed discipline on him, and james

Discipline on him, and james does not take the discipline.

Does not take the discipline. He doesn't take to structure

He doesn't take to structure and yet you can't exist

And yet you can't exist without some.

Without some. >> after the service he

>> after the service he finished college and then got

Finished college and then got his law degree from lsu.

His law degree from lsu. >> I practiced law for two

>> I practiced law for two years and was terrible at it.

Years and was terrible at it. >> then somebody in the law

>> then somebody in the law firm started putting me to work

Firm started putting me to work on campaigns for politicians.

On campaigns for politicians. So I started doing that.

So I started doing that. >> I found what I like to do,

>> I found what I like to do, you know, relatively late in

You know, relatively late in life. I managed my first

Life. I managed my first campaign in 1982, which meant I

Campaign in 1982, which meant I was 30, you know, 38 years old

Was 30, you know, 38 years old on election night.

On election night. >> I gathered the world did not

>> I gathered the world did not beat a path to your motel room.

Beat a path to your motel room. >> no, they didn't beat a path

>> no, they didn't beat a path anywhere.

Anywhere. >> the term political

>> the term political consultant as a profession was

Consultant as a profession was almost nonexistent for him to

Almost nonexistent for him to say, hey, you know what I want

Say, hey, you know what I want to. This is what my life career

To. This is what my life career is going to be. Was a pretty

Is going to be. Was a pretty big lift.

Big lift. >> I spent a lot of time

>> I spent a lot of time standing at the phone, waiting

Standing at the phone, waiting on it to ring.

On it to ring. >> 1984 my first campaign. I

>> 1984 my first campaign. I was the lowest man on the totem

Was the lowest man on the totem pole. It was my first job out

Pole. It was my first job out of college carville was coming

Of college carville was coming to texas to be interviewed for

To texas to be interviewed for this job as a campaign manager

This job as a campaign manager for lloyd doggett. For u.S.

For lloyd doggett. For u.S. Senate.

Senate. >> I carried the candidate's

>> I carried the candidate's bags. Somebody had to go pick

Bags. Somebody had to go pick up the out-of-state guru at the

Up the out-of-state guru at the airport.

Airport. >> so I go and get him you

>> so I go and get him you know, dropped his fifth f-bomb.

Know, dropped his fifth f-bomb. By the time we'd loaded the

By the time we'd loaded the bags in the car. I learned more

Bags in the car. I learned more in 15 minutes driving in with

In 15 minutes driving in with him than I'd learned in four

Him than I'd learned in four years of college. Getting a

Years of college. Getting a degree in political science.

Degree in political science. >> you could see after 30s that

>> you could see after 30s that he was ten times more talented

He was ten times more talented than the entire room. Put

Than the entire room. Put together.

Together. >> I just remember saying to

>> I just remember saying to myself, man, I'm not going

Myself, man, I'm not going anywhere without this fucking

Anywhere without this fucking guy target, target target.

Guy target, target target. Target had got crushed in the

Target had got crushed in the reagan landslide.

Reagan landslide. >> it was, up until that day,

>> it was, up until that day, the biggest ass weapon a

The biggest ass weapon a democrat had ever gotten in

Democrat had ever gotten in texas history.

Texas history. >> joe graham just beat the

>> joe graham just beat the living shit out of us I went

Living shit out of us I went there, boy, and I left a man

There, boy, and I left a man james was famous for losing

James was famous for losing races over and over again. He

Races over and over again. He was pretty much nobody in our

Was pretty much nobody in our party, and he just wasn't sure

Party, and he just wasn't sure he was ever going to really

He was ever going to really make it he slept on my sofa at

Make it he slept on my sofa at age 40. Absolutely broke.

Age 40. Absolutely broke. >> he had an oldsmobile. He had

>> he had an oldsmobile. He had 3 or 4 changes of clothes and

3 or 4 changes of clothes and that was it so I go back to

That was it so I go back to baton rouge, worked in the

Baton rouge, worked in the mayor's office, will also be

Mayor's office, will also be proposing some new school

Proposing some new school lights and school crossings to

Lights and school crossings to ensure the safety of our

Ensure the safety of our children.

Children. >> the mayor feels very

>> the mayor feels very strongly about this.

Strongly about this. >> then I get a call to go

>> then I get a call to go interview for a campaign in

Interview for a campaign in philadelphia and I said, well

Philadelphia and I said, well you got to send me the ticket

You got to send me the ticket and he said, well, we're going

And he said, well, we're going to reimburse you.

To reimburse you. >> maybe not. You know, just

>> maybe not. You know, just get you don't understand. I

Get you don't understand. I don't have the money to get a

Don't have the money to get a ticket. You got to send me the

Ticket. You got to send me the money to get the ticket to go

Money to get the ticket to go to philadelphia took a job in

To philadelphia took a job in 1986 working for a man named

1986 working for a man named bob casey who was then running

Bob casey who was then running for governor of pennsylvania.

For governor of pennsylvania. This is pennsylvania in 86,

This is pennsylvania in 86, when the worst of the rust belt

When the worst of the rust belt collapse is going on. Casey

Collapse is going on. Casey would go around the state,

Would go around the state, spurred on by carville and

Spurred on by carville and casey and said, if you've ever

Casey and said, if you've ever been knocked on your butt I

Been knocked on your butt I know it feels like I've been

Know it feels like I've been there. I'm going to fight for

There. I'm going to fight for you.

You. >> okay, here we go. This way

>> okay, here we go. This way james understands the struggle

James understands the struggle that people have to put two

That people have to put two paychecks together because he

Paychecks together because he lived it

Results came in and we won, james got on the phone and

James got on the phone and called miss nippy and just

Called miss nippy and just burst into tears.

Burst into tears. >> and mr. Casey, who was a

>> and mr. Casey, who was a very reserved irish catholic,

Very reserved irish catholic, took the phone and told that

Took the phone and told that lady how wonderful her son was.

Lady how wonderful her son was. They had a vigorous agreement

They had a vigorous agreement about how wonderful james is I

About how wonderful james is I was thinking, I don't have to

Was thinking, I don't have to go back to baton rouge and beg

Go back to baton rouge and beg people for a way to make a

People for a way to make a living the casey campaign

Living the casey campaign without that I'm not me and

Without that I'm not me and that didn't come until I was

That didn't come until I was 42. I would have been a massive

42. I would have been a massive failure without this

He wins, you win. >> you've given a victory to

>> you've given a victory to the people of kentucky tonight.

The people of kentucky tonight. >> I take it as a great

>> I take it as a great compliment that the voters

Compliment that the voters chose us.

Chose us. >> zell miller jorge engels his

>> zell miller jorge engels his cards democrats in philadelphia

Cards democrats in philadelphia were cheering a new hero.

Were cheering a new hero. Harris wofford had shown them

Harris wofford had shown them how to win since last week's

How to win since last week's elections political consultant

Elections political consultant james carville's phones have

James carville's phones have been ringing off the hook.

Been ringing off the hook. Democratic candidates running

Democratic candidates running in 1992 are anxious for the

In 1992 are anxious for the advice of the man hailed as the

Advice of the man hailed as the architect of harris wofford's

Architect of harris wofford's stunning upset in the

Stunning upset in the pennsylvania senate race

Bertrand at the pentagon. >> and this is cnn

Questions. They're always so good

>> um mike, it doesn't matter a lot, but I've lost the

Lot, but I've lost the picture. What do I do no,

Picture. What do I do no, let's just carry on.

Let's just carry on. >> we're talking. Carry on.

>> we're talking. Carry on. >> oh you don't want to see me.

>> oh you don't want to see me. Okay we see you chagrin. We can

Okay we see you chagrin. We can still see you okay uh, we'll

Still see you okay uh, we'll start with jeff in saint pete,

Start with jeff in saint pete, florida.

Florida. >> who says when is the date?

>> who says when is the date? When there is no turning back

When there is no turning back legally as to being the nominee

Legally as to being the nominee at the convention is.

At the convention is. >> you know, I have been highly

>> you know, I have been highly skeptical of the idea of

Skeptical of the idea of president biden running for

President biden running for reelection so now I'm hearing

Reelection so now I'm hearing well, you might have been right

Well, you might have been right in June, but there's nothing

In June, but there's nothing we can do about it. Okay I

We can do about it. Okay I profoundly disagree lyndon

Profoundly disagree lyndon johnson was running for

Johnson was running for president in March of 1968. The

President in March of 1968. The president had been aware of a

President had been aware of a growing divisiveness within the

Growing divisiveness within the country.

Country. >> good evening, my fellow

>> good evening, my fellow americans lbj gives an oval

Americans lbj gives an oval office address about vietnam.

Office address about vietnam. >> and at the end he has this

>> and at the end he has this sentence I shall not seek.

Sentence I shall not seek. >> and I will not accept the

>> and I will not accept the nomination of my party for

Nomination of my party for another term as your president.

Another term as your president. >> lbj decided not to run. I

>> lbj decided not to run. I don't think he told hardly

Don't think he told hardly anybody and throws it open the

Anybody and throws it open the unpopular incumbent dropped out

Unpopular incumbent dropped out of the race.

Of the race. >> six months later, democrats

>> six months later, democrats go to chicago.

Go to chicago. >> it's declared an open

>> it's declared an open convention you had a democratic

Convention you had a democratic party that had a terrible issue

Party that had a terrible issue with the vietnam war.

With the vietnam war. >> there were huge protests.

>> there were huge protests. Police response was excessive

Police response was excessive the party elders put the vice

The party elders put the vice president up.

President up. >> he hadn't been in any

>> he hadn't been in any primaries and they forced him

Primaries and they forced him onto the ballot. And what

Onto the ballot. And what happened well, riots. A loss

Happened well, riots. A loss and a third party candidate won

And a third party candidate won five states.

Five states. >> richard milhous nixon has

>> richard milhous nixon has been elected the 37th president

Been elected the 37th president of the united states stop

Of the united states stop freeze frame.

Freeze frame. >> there's another way to do

>> there's another way to do this let's imagine biden says

This let's imagine biden says I'm not running. Two weeks

I'm not running. Two weeks before the convention.

Before the convention. >> good evening my fellow

>> good evening my fellow americans.

Americans. >> all hell breaks loose. Phone

>> all hell breaks loose. Phone lines are buzzing.

Lines are buzzing. >> you say we're going to put

>> you say we're going to put five candidates forward.

Five candidates forward. >> all five will be invited to

>> all five will be invited to speak to the convention. High

Speak to the convention. High drama coming in. Who will be on

Drama coming in. Who will be on the sainted list of five? Wait,

The sainted list of five? Wait, I just got an indication that

I just got an indication that newsom's campaign manager is

Newsom's campaign manager is coming out, and. Oh, wait a

Coming out, and. Oh, wait a minute. Back to you. I see

Minute. Back to you. I see gretchen whitmer's press

Gretchen whitmer's press spokesman is being invited back

Spokesman is being invited back in. You got a fucking game and

In. You got a fucking game and everybody is watching it as

Everybody is watching it as compared to we go to chicago.

Compared to we go to chicago. There's going to be no

There's going to be no suspense. If you had a

Suspense. If you had a contested convention, it would

Contested convention, it would be the highest rated summer

Be the highest rated summer programing in history. Could

Programing in history. Could turn out bad, but it could

Turn out bad, but it could really turn out well this could

Really turn out well this could only happen if president biden

Only happen if president biden decides he can't or shouldn't

Decides he can't or shouldn't run.

Run. >> and he's made it pretty

>> and he's made it pretty clear. So with that, I think

Clear. So with that, I think that james is getting a fair

That james is getting a fair amount of heat from democrats

Amount of heat from democrats who just say, you know, it's

Who just say, you know, it's over now. I mean, he's made

Over now. I mean, he's made his decision.

His decision. >> what people say is time to

>> what people say is time to fall in line but I can't say

Fall in line but I can't say what george carlin said. Fuck

What george carlin said. Fuck hope.

Hope. >> I just I can't

Much. >> so we got the news.

>> so we got the news. >> okay.

>> okay. >> we're off and running.

>> we're off and running. >> nikki haley has exited the

>> nikki haley has exited the race. She was in it for about

Race. She was in it for about 13 months. Mitch mcconnell

13 months. Mitch mcconnell endorsed trump during this hour

Endorsed trump during this hour as well. So a lot of news.

As well. So a lot of news. Yeah.

Yeah. >> we don't expect to see the

>> we don't expect to see the president today. We might see

President today. We might see donald trump today come out and

Donald trump today come out and make a statement to the left is

Make a statement to the left is what they call union station

Senior in high school, I actually touched john f

Actually touched john f kennedy.

Kennedy. >> he was down here and he was

>> he was down here and he was a you know, a sitting in the

A you know, a sitting in the back of a convertible or

Back of a convertible or something and I'll never

Something and I'll never forget, I got close enough to

Forget, I got close enough to actually like, touched his coat

Rights and to a catholic kid that was like huge I am proud

That was like huge I am proud to become an honorary citizen

To become an honorary citizen of new orleans and I am proud

Of new orleans and I am proud as president of the united

As president of the united states to come to this city and

States to come to this city and to ask you to join with all of

To ask you to join with all of us in moving this country

Us in moving this country forward in this decade the

Forward in this decade the entire generation of people

Entire generation of people were just moved by kennedy to

Were just moved by kennedy to get in american politics

Began for me. >> I still believe in a place

>> I still believe in a place called hope

Yeah, I think you're good. We're good. Okay. Thank you, I

We're good. Okay. Thank you, I appreciate it.

Appreciate it. >> no problem.

>> no problem. >> okay

>> I'd like to know what you saw in james carville that made

Saw in james carville that made you take a chance on him in

You take a chance on him in 1992.

>> the quarter century before 92 democrats had held the white

92 democrats had held the white house for four years out of 25.

House for four years out of 25. So the whole question in 92 was

So the whole question in 92 was kind of, can anybody play this

Kind of, can anybody play this game?

Game? >> people were hungry for a win

>> people were hungry for a win but a lot of democratic

But a lot of democratic candidates thought that george

Candidates thought that george h.W. Bush was unbeatable.

H.W. Bush was unbeatable. Coming off the victory in the

Coming off the victory in the gulf war

Thinking about running for president.

President. >> they want to work so james

>> they want to work so james and paul got to pick and choose

And paul got to pick and choose which candidate they were going

Which candidate they were going to represent.

To represent. >> our buddy george

>> our buddy george stephanopoulos called me and

Stephanopoulos called me and said, I've signed on with bill

Said, I've signed on with bill clinton.

Clinton. >> he's our generation's bobby

>> he's our generation's bobby kennedy which is the highest

Kennedy which is the highest praise he could give.

Praise he could give. >> I never felt comfortable

>> I never felt comfortable with political consultants

With political consultants because I thought it was

Because I thought it was unlikely that they knew more

Unlikely that they knew more about arkansas than I did. You

About arkansas than I did. You just talked to everybody,

Just talked to everybody, including members of the press,

Including members of the press, and ran your campaign. So I had

And ran your campaign. So I had something to learn. I knew, and

Something to learn. I knew, and I was very impressed with what

I was very impressed with what he'd done when I met carville,

He'd done when I met carville, I thought I was home.

I thought I was home. >> we were two guys with pretty

>> we were two guys with pretty flashy and strong willed

Flashy and strong willed mothers who came from little

Mothers who came from little southern towns, and I thought

Southern towns, and I thought he was so smart clinton and

He was so smart clinton and carville are from roughly the

Carville are from roughly the same generation, roughly the

Same generation, roughly the same kind of socio economic

Same kind of socio economic background and they both had a

Background and they both had a little bit of rogue in them

Little bit of rogue in them when clinton signed on,

When clinton signed on, carville and begala, it was a

Carville and begala, it was a sign that this is someone who

Sign that this is someone who is serious and this is someone

Is serious and this is someone who is coming to play and

Who is coming to play and coming to win james carville,

Coming to win james carville, senior adviser to the

Senior adviser to the clinton-gore campaign, joining

Clinton-gore campaign, joining us from little rock arkansas.

Us from little rock arkansas. >> let me read you one of the

>> let me read you one of the quotes from a bush-quayle news

Quotes from a bush-quayle news release. Quote pigs will fly,

Release. Quote pigs will fly, lions will lay down with their

Lions will lay down with their lambs and patriot missiles will

Lambs and patriot missiles will sail down chimneys before

Sail down chimneys before commander in chief wannabe ever

Commander in chief wannabe ever gets down to specifics,

Gets down to specifics, predicted bush-quayle deputy

Predicted bush-quayle deputy campaign manager mary matalin.

Campaign manager mary matalin. Well, as you know, I know mary

Well, as you know, I know mary matalin fairly well, and I'm

Matalin fairly well, and I'm always one of the things I feel

Always one of the things I feel good about is this election's

Good about is this election's over. She'll have a good career

Over. She'll have a good career as a fiction writer because

As a fiction writer because she's written enough fiction

She's written enough fiction in this campaign to fill in for

In this campaign to fill in for william faulkner it's such a

William faulkner it's such a washington story. Mary and I

Washington story. Mary and I had met in January of 91. There

Had met in January of 91. There was an article about this

Was an article about this democrat who was winning

Democrat who was winning elections. Lee atwater, who was

Elections. Lee atwater, who was bush's political operative,

Bush's political operative, saw it. And told mary, go get a

Saw it. And told mary, go get a date with this guy and find out

Date with this guy and find out what he's up to I think we

What he's up to I think we were living together by March

Were living together by March conspiracists would be right to

Conspiracists would be right to say that she was sent to spy on

Say that she was sent to spy on you yeah we started dating in

You yeah we started dating in January of 1991.

January of 1991. >> August. President bush

>> August. President bush appointed her deputy. Campaign

Appointed her deputy. Campaign manager, and I was in the midst

Manager, and I was in the midst of a special senate election in

Of a special senate election in pennsylvania he promised me

Pennsylvania he promised me that was it.

That was it. >> he wasn't going to be in my

>> he wasn't going to be in my lane anymore because I was

Lane anymore because I was doing national politics.

Doing national politics. >> we were at dinner where

>> we were at dinner where james was introducing a couple

James was introducing a couple of us to mary for the first

Of us to mary for the first time, and he had cut the deal

Time, and he had cut the deal with bill clinton to join the

With bill clinton to join the campaign.

Campaign. >> they congratulated him, and

>> they congratulated him, and I said I didn't want to make a

I said I didn't want to make a scene because they were his

Scene because they were his friends, not mine.

Friends, not mine. >> she was freaking out and the

>> she was freaking out and the rest of us couldn't figure out

Rest of us couldn't figure out exactly why. And then, little

Exactly why. And then, little by little, we realized, oh, my

By little, we realized, oh, my god, he hasn't told her. Poor

God, he hasn't told her. Poor mary if he would have slapped

Mary if he would have slapped me across the face I would have

Me across the face I would have been less surprised the

Been less surprised the president's inner circle were

President's inner circle were all sophisticated men of a

All sophisticated men of a certain age. They could not

Certain age. They could not articulate what needed to be

Articulate what needed to be articulated. When you're facing

Articulated. When you're facing the kind of opposition that

The kind of opposition that james was presenting.

James was presenting. >> president bush has presented

>> president bush has presented an agenda for american renewal.

An agenda for american renewal. >> I have a question for

>> I have a question for america. Do you feel renewed

America. Do you feel renewed after four years of george

After four years of george bush? How renewed do you feel

Bush? How renewed do you feel out there, mr.. And mrs..

Out there, mr.. And mrs.. America?

America? >> I had to pull it out on

>> I had to pull it out on clinton because everybody else

Clinton because everybody else was whining about it clinton

Was whining about it clinton philandering, pot smoking,

Philandering, pot smoking, draft dodger. I got chastised

Draft dodger. I got chastised not to be so negative, but I

Not to be so negative, but I always made the sound bites,

Always made the sound bites, didn't I?

Didn't I? >> he is an obsessive

>> he is an obsessive politician. When he has been

Politician. When he has been asked about his anti-war

Asked about his anti-war activities in the past, he has

Activities in the past, he has hedged, bobbed and weaved.

Hedged, bobbed and weaved. >> the bush campaign refused to

>> the bush campaign refused to back down. The clinton campaign

Back down. The clinton campaign of course, is supposed to be

Of course, is supposed to be worried about this the

Worried about this the republicans can't think

Top person in a republican campaign, and the top person in

Campaign, and the top person in a democratic campaign started a

A democratic campaign started a romance, and even though people

Romance, and even though people talked about it, it was

Talked about it, it was reasonably clandestine they

Reasonably clandestine they faced a lot of obstacles from

Faced a lot of obstacles from both sides.

Both sides. >> it was kind of dicey that

>> it was kind of dicey that you're kind of sleeping with

You're kind of sleeping with the enemy in both cases.

The enemy in both cases. >> there's so many reports of

>> there's so many reports of a romantic attachment between

A romantic attachment between you and mr. Carville I think

You and mr. Carville I think the media does not know how to

The media does not know how to cover what is an unprecedented

Cover what is an unprecedented relationship nobody seemed to

Relationship nobody seemed to care on the democratic side. I

Care on the democratic side. I wish I could tell you that's

Wish I could tell you that's because democrats are a better

Because democrats are a better people. It's a boy girl thing.

People. It's a boy girl thing. >> I think that it is even a

>> I think that it is even a zone of privacy that exists for

Zone of privacy that exists for political consultants.

Political consultants. >> james got credit for dating

>> james got credit for dating me and I got shit for dating

Me and I got shit for dating him.

Him. >> if you were to lose, will

>> if you were to lose, will there be lingering bitterness

There be lingering bitterness no, we're not going to lose.

No, we're not going to lose. >> so I haven't thought about

>> so I haven't thought about that.

That. >> I had been working for 12

>> I had been working for 12 years to get this job. He just

Years to get this job. He just came out of nowhere. He just

Came out of nowhere. He just fell from the sky doing state

Fell from the sky doing state races.

Races. >> and I said oh, he'll just

>> and I said oh, he'll just fall on his face. Little did I

Fall on his face. Little did I know he was going to recreate

Know he was going to recreate the genre of political

California coast and this is cnn

You

But I was a pretty straight kid.

Kid. >> I worked hard enough to make

>> I worked hard enough to make good grades, but I basically

Good grades, but I basically liked my music and my friends.

Liked my music and my friends. And I had a heck of a good time

And I had a heck of a good time when I was in high school. I

When I was in high school. I bet you I said something you

Bet you I said something you could take out of context you

Could take out of context you weird guys got to stick

Weird guys got to stick together bye bye

Fact that you sent me to college.

College. >> the woman who was paid by a

>> the woman who was paid by a supermarket tabloid to publicly

Supermarket tabloid to publicly talk about her story of a 12

Talk about her story of a 12 year alleged affair with

Year alleged affair with democratic presidential

Democratic presidential candidate bill clinton held a

Candidate bill clinton held a news conference today.

News conference today. >> I have lied to the press

>> I have lied to the press about our relationship to

About our relationship to protect him the gennifer

Protect him the gennifer flowers weekend was unlike

Flowers weekend was unlike anything else in the campaign.

Anything else in the campaign. >> you're coming off the gary

>> you're coming off the gary hart implosion in 1988, where

Hart implosion in 1988, where just the whisper of infidelity.

Just the whisper of infidelity. >> bam. Knocked him out of the

>> bam. Knocked him out of the race

>> we're trying to get our sea legs after these allegations of

Legs after these allegations of affairs.

Affairs. >> we got off the plane.

>> we got off the plane. >> embed from abc news. Hans,

>> embed from abc news. Hans, georgie and I this letter, the

Georgie and I this letter, the first line. Thank you for

First line. Thank you for saving me from the draft.

Saving me from the draft. >> our knees buckled I thought

>> our knees buckled I thought this was it. No way he can

This was it. No way he can survive the double whammy of

Survive the double whammy of gennifer flowers and the draft

Gennifer flowers and the draft letter.

Letter. >> governor did you write this

>> governor did you write this letter to congress?

Letter to congress? >> okay.

>> okay. >> george was in the corner.

>> george was in the corner. Kind of curled up in a fetal

Kind of curled up in a fetal position, and carville was

Position, and carville was stomping around in the room,

Stomping around in the room, and he said georgie, read the

And he said georgie, read the thing. If you read it out loud,

Thing. If you read it out loud, it helps him. It shows he's got

It helps him. It shows he's got more character

Something else. >> he said, this letter can be

>> he said, this letter can be your friend.

Your friend. >> he said, I was in the marine

>> he said, I was in the marine corps at the time lots of

Corps at the time lots of people in the marine corps felt

People in the marine corps felt this like this letter it was so

This like this letter it was so good. And it was right.

Good. And it was right. >> I can legitimately say that

>> I can legitimately say that I served. I did what I was

I served. I did what I was told. I got an honorable

Told. I got an honorable discharge and clinton had two

Discharge and clinton had two deferments. Wrote this tortured

Deferments. Wrote this tortured letter because he wanted to

Letter because he wanted to remain politically viable, but

Remain politically viable, but he didn't want to get his ass

He didn't want to get his ass shot off g james knew his

Shot off g james knew his generation's ambivalence.

Generation's ambivalence. >> he knew how people felt who

>> he knew how people felt who had served and who had decided

Had served and who had decided not to serve. He looked at the

Not to serve. He looked at the letter in a totally different

Letter in a totally different way than anyone else. That's

Way than anyone else. That's so james. To see opportunity at

So james. To see opportunity at a moment when everybody else

A moment when everybody else sees death

Turn into it that we deal with it. Why did the pentagon in

It. Why did the pentagon in your opinion, release the

Your opinion, release the letter?

Letter? >> I think that it is. Why do

>> I think that it is. Why do you think that? Well, let's

You think that? Well, let's let's try a case of rocket

Let's try a case of rocket science. Here's an article in

Science. Here's an article in the wall street journal on

The wall street journal on Friday. And here's a story that

Friday. And here's a story that looks like it might be going

Looks like it might be going away. And somebody says, aha,

Away. And somebody says, aha, look, we have something that

Look, we have something that can kick this story. An extra

Can kick this story. An extra day.

Day. >> my job was to convey to the

>> my job was to convey to the press and the public that we

Press and the public that we are tough fucking people that

Are tough fucking people that know what they're doing,

Know what they're doing, because that was really part of

Because that was really part of what I was selling.

What I was selling. >> but you have to ask, are you

>> but you have to ask, are you going to let me answer the

Going to let me answer the question?

Question? >> you're gonna interrupt me

>> you're gonna interrupt me okay all right.

Okay all right. >> that defiance ended up

>> that defiance ended up sending a bigger signal that

Sending a bigger signal that lasted throughout the whole

Lasted throughout the whole campaign. If you've got a big

Campaign. If you've got a big problem, confront it don't hide

Problem, confront it don't hide it.

It. >> carville's approach is just

>> carville's approach is just as relevant. Perhaps more

As relevant. Perhaps more relevant today than it was in

Relevant today than it was in 1992. You've turned into the

1992. You've turned into the fire. You don't turn away from

Fire. You don't turn away from it should biden go on the

It should biden go on the attack? My dad was a boxer at

Attack? My dad was a boxer at lsu. He said, get in. Throw a

Lsu. He said, get in. Throw a combo and get the hell out.

Combo and get the hell out. That's what biden needs to do.

That's what biden needs to do. Go in, throw a quick combo,

Go in, throw a quick combo, back off. Come back quick

Back off. Come back quick combo. Back off

Biden is going to address the age issue? I asked the campaign

Age issue? I asked the campaign if he's going to give a full

If he's going to give a full throated speech on the subject

Throated speech on the subject of age. I want to I want to

Of age. I want to I want to interview him about that. And

Interview him about that. And they said, look, we don't they

They said, look, we don't they made it clear they're not

Made it clear they're not going to be doing that.

Going to be doing that. >> you seem to be pretty

>> you seem to be pretty convinced that biden really

Convinced that biden really believes that he's going to

Believes that he's going to win.

Win. >> he has a conviction that the

>> he has a conviction that the american public is as insulted

American public is as insulted by trump on a spiritual,

By trump on a spiritual, patriotic level the same way

Patriotic level the same way that he is.

That he is. >> I hope his view of america

>> I hope his view of america turns out to be correct but I

Turns out to be correct but I got to say, the evidence I see

Got to say, the evidence I see right now is I just have a hard

Right now is I just have a hard time being encouraged by it.

Time being encouraged by it. >> it will go down in history

>> it will go down in history as a catastrophic

As a catastrophic miscalculation. If he is wrong

Miscalculation. If he is wrong about that. And I think that

About that. And I think that will be the story.

Will be the story. >> evan thank you so much.

>> evan thank you so much. >> a great pleasure, always a

>> a great pleasure, always a treat to be with you guys.

Treat to be with you guys. Thank you

For the wall street journal and nbc news that showed clinton in

Nbc news that showed clinton in third place behind perot and I

Third place behind perot and I suppose on the 6th of April,

Suppose on the 6th of April, you can find me hello?

You can find me hello? >> I'm here.

>> I'm here. >> hello hello, guys.

>> hello hello, guys. >> you can't pick up the

>> you can't pick up the phone.

Phone. >> we were so strategically

>> we were so strategically dysfunctional. Everybody

Dysfunctional. Everybody realized that something had to

Realized that something had to be done. I'd run a lot of

Be done. I'd run a lot of campaigns, and I developed an

Campaigns, and I developed an idea of the way that you should

Idea of the way that you should do things.

Do things. >> he wanted to have

>> he wanted to have representatives from every

Representatives from every department all in the same

Department all in the same room, so that we all could

Room, so that we all could speak with one voice and have

Speak with one voice and have one strategy.

One strategy. >> they came to me and said

>> they came to me and said we're going to do this coup

We're going to do this coup and you're going to be the

And you're going to be the leader of the coup. And by the

Leader of the coup. And by the way, you got to go sell this to

Way, you got to go sell this to the clintons.

The clintons. >> thank you so he came up with

>> thank you so he came up with this idea of the clinton action

This idea of the clinton action team and took it to hillary who

Team and took it to hillary who was the most important

Was the most important strategist. Hillary loved it,

Strategist. Hillary loved it, blessed it, but said you should

Blessed it, but said you should call it the war room.

Call it the war room. >> it seemed like a good idea.

>> it seemed like a good idea. I wish you'd have told me to

I wish you'd have told me to call it to the fought room. I

Call it to the fought room. I called it the fortress he was

Called it the fortress he was given the job during the

Given the job during the convention james, as the

Convention james, as the general of that war room

General of that war room created a culture that I don't

Created a culture that I don't think any democratic campaign

Think any democratic campaign has ever had. This morning,

Has ever had. This morning, perot was on cbs morning news

Perot was on cbs morning news every morning and every night

Every morning and every night everyone came in. Everyone

Everyone came in. Everyone heard the news. Everyone was

Heard the news. Everyone was part of the conversation. It

Part of the conversation. It was literally an open campaign.

Was literally an open campaign. >> it gave people psychic

>> it gave people psychic income.

Income. >> you move to little rock, you

>> you move to little rock, you didn't get paid. Shit. You

Didn't get paid. Shit. You worked seven days a week. You

Worked seven days a week. You work 15 hours a day. The

Work 15 hours a day. The benefit was you were in on a

Benefit was you were in on a secret.

Secret. >> I have a picture from the

>> I have a picture from the war room.

War room. >> all these people, impossibly

>> all these people, impossibly young impossibly brilliant

Young impossibly brilliant impossibly idealistic and james

Impossibly idealistic and james was their guru. He was their

Was their guru. He was their spiritual leader. And he

Spiritual leader. And he created a camaraderie that has

Created a camaraderie that has now lasted for decades.

Now lasted for decades. >> hey, hey it's a good spot.

>> hey, hey it's a good spot. >> suggestion at the end, have

>> suggestion at the end, have him say, read my lips. No, sir.

Him say, read my lips. No, sir. This time we're reading the

This time we're reading the record.

Record. >> one of the great things

>> one of the great things about carville is he could

About carville is he could distill a message into its

Distill a message into its essence. We had that little

Essence. We had that little sign that said change versus

Sign that said change versus more of the same. The economy

More of the same. The economy stupid. Don't forget health

Stupid. Don't forget health care and everybody who worked

Care and everybody who worked for me looked at it every day

For me looked at it every day and just had it drilled into

And just had it drilled into them.

Them. >> you have to know an awful

>> you have to know an awful lot to be able to boil down an

Lot to be able to boil down an entire presidential campaign to

Entire presidential campaign to 14 words. You have to know

14 words. You have to know history. You have to know

History. You have to know psychology. You have to know

Psychology. You have to know polling. You have to know

Polling. You have to know voters. You have to know what

Voters. You have to know what people's lives are like in

People's lives are like in that moment. But in those words

That moment. But in those words are the keys to victory.

Are the keys to victory. >> stay focused. Talk about

>> stay focused. Talk about things that matter to people

Things that matter to people you know. It's the economy

You know. It's the economy stupid.

Stupid. >> it's the economy, stupid.

>> it's the economy, stupid. The economy stupid.

The economy stupid. >> I don't know how many times

>> I don't know how many times people have sent me like it's

People have sent me like it's the blank stupid. I mean it. I

The blank stupid. I mean it. I guarantee you it's a million.

Guarantee you it's a million. And it just one of these things

And it just one of these things that are what we call sticky.

That are what we call sticky. >> I think there are a couple

>> I think there are a couple of big things one is james

Of big things one is james carville's old line. It's the

Carville's old line. It's the economy, stupid.

Economy, stupid. >> it's the economy, stupid

>> it's the economy, stupid stupid, stupid, stupid. It's

Stupid, stupid, stupid. It's the economy stupid.

The economy stupid. >> we all go by. It's the

>> we all go by. It's the economy, stupid. And you

Economy, stupid. And you wouldn't have that if you

Wouldn't have that if you didn't have james carville.

Didn't have james carville. >> it's the economy stupid.

>> it's the economy stupid. Did you ever hear that one?

Did you ever hear that one? It's the economy.

It's the economy. >> it is indeed.

>> it is indeed. >> I feel a little odd sitting

>> I feel a little odd sitting up here, being known as the

Up here, being known as the person that popularized the

Person that popularized the word stupid in american

Word stupid in american culture. I'd like to.

Culture. I'd like to. >> I'd like to be remembered

>> I'd like to be remembered for something a little more

For something a little more substantial than that.

Substantial than that. >> but what the heck

>> we're back in the capital of arkansas tonight. We want to

Of arkansas tonight. We want to show you the scene as they

Show you the scene as they await the arrival of their

Await the arrival of their governor the new president of

Governor the new president of the united states. That is bill

The united states. That is bill clinton.

Clinton. >> can I just say there's james

>> can I just say there's james carville right in the middle of

Carville right in the middle of it all. He has this

It all. He has this relationship with mary matalin,

Relationship with mary matalin, who is the political director

Who is the political director for president bush. Of all

For president bush. Of all things.

Things. >> and he told me that the one

>> and he told me that the one thing he's really sad about

Thing he's really sad about today is that mary is suffering

Today is that mary is suffering this loss on election night,

This loss on election night, they turned on the tv

They turned on the tv completely shitfaced and

Completely shitfaced and already on my first hangover.

Already on my first hangover. And there he is in this teal

And there he is in this teal jacket that I bought him,

Jacket that I bought him, waving don't stop thinking

Waving don't stop thinking about tomorrow

Everything that he had done. You couldn't have held nippy

You couldn't have held nippy carville down for anything. Sj

Carville down for anything. Sj had reached the tantamount this

Had reached the tantamount this was just the most unbelievable

Was just the most unbelievable thing in the world.

Thing in the world. >> and finally I want to thank

>> and finally I want to thank the members of my brilliant

The members of my brilliant aggressive unconventional but

Aggressive unconventional but always winning campaign staff.

Always winning campaign staff. They were unbelievable

>> when you think of democrats and how long it had been since

And how long it had been since they'd won a presidential

They'd won a presidential election how fraught this

Election how fraught this campaign had been we were all

Campaign had been we were all caught up in the moment I

Caught up in the moment I understood that james had done

Understood that james had done something extraordinary you

Something extraordinary you know, I was kidding james.

Know, I was kidding james. >> yesterday, I said, he's

>> yesterday, I said, he's about to pass from the role of

About to pass from the role of regular human being into the

Regular human being into the role of a legend and I think he

Role of a legend and I think he really deserves it.

Really deserves it. >> I also believed and still

>> I also believed and still believe that a lot of people's

Believe that a lot of people's lives across the country would

Lives across the country would be different because of this.

Be different because of this. >> more people are going to

>> more people are going to have better jobs.

Have better jobs. >> people are going to pay a

>> people are going to pay a little less for health care,

Little less for health care, get better care, and more kids

Get better care, and more kids are going to go to better

Are going to go to better schools so thanks

I ever went to washington, new york

Campaign. And I'm happy for all of you are I taught democrats

Of you are I taught democrats how to win again.

How to win again. >> that's what james did

>> that's what james did that's what bill clinton did

That's what bill clinton did taught us how to win I'll never

Taught us how to win I'll never forget the job done.

Forget the job done. >> thank you

>> two, two schemes for kids david snyder, 87 miles an hour.

David snyder, 87 miles an hour. That's seven strikeouts. Two,

That's seven strikeouts. Two, two. Wow

There. Hey honey, I'm going to make lunch for everybody.

Make lunch for everybody. >> what do you mean french

>> what do you mean french fries? Special tuna salad.

Fries? Special tuna salad. >> we have all this time. I

>> we have all this time. I have all of the stuff.

Have all of the stuff. >> so I'm going to go up to the

>> so I'm going to go up to the farm fine, I got everything

Farm fine, I got everything I'm missing.

I'm missing. >> plates

Like a normal person? >> no, I got it says he's got

>> no, I got it says he's got it.

It. >> he's got it

Were always public. You know, now that we're having this

Now that we're having this truth serum conversation, I

Truth serum conversation, I really have never liked having

Really have never liked having our marriage be the cause of

Our marriage be the cause of our of our celebrity. I don't

Our of our celebrity. I don't like it.

Like it. >> who gives a shit what I

>> who gives a shit what I think was legal I'm not

Think was legal I'm not breaking any law. All right,

Breaking any law. All right, here's the consolation. Our

Here's the consolation. Our choice was to be a real whore

Choice was to be a real whore and go be a lobbyist. And I

And go be a lobbyist. And I could not do that. Never did.

Could not do that. Never did. >> and I so I in that in that

>> and I so I in that in that context, I'm glad we did what

Context, I'm glad we did what we did

Tomorrow at nine on cnn

Political odd couple james carville mary matalin.

Carville mary matalin. >> welcome. Happy anniversary.

>> welcome. Happy anniversary. >> thank you.

>> thank you. >> second year. That's exactly

>> second year. That's exactly right. Together together. Now

Right. Together together. Now let's begin

Russert. >> that was the forum where

>> that was the forum where they were together. They

They were together. They disagreed, but were sort of

Disagreed, but were sort of agreeable together.

Agreeable together. >> if you lower taxes on

>> if you lower taxes on successful people you have to

Successful people you have to raise taxes on average people.

Raise taxes on average people. >> that is. That is. Don't

>> that is. That is. Don't please please, honey, I don't

Please please, honey, I don't interrupt you. That is what is

Interrupt you. That is what is behind this whole thing.

Behind this whole thing. >> as long as you do. They want

>> as long as you do. They want to lower taxes. Tim russert was

To lower taxes. Tim russert was the dominant political reporter

The dominant political reporter in american politics. He also

In american politics. He also had a great sense of what

Had a great sense of what worked.

Worked. >> he knew putting james and

>> he knew putting james and mary on. Yeah, it was

Mary on. Yeah, it was entertainment. She's a

Entertainment. She's a republican. He's a democrat.

Republican. He's a democrat. But they were smart.

But they were smart. >> he is the resident national

>> he is the resident national expert on lying presidents.

Expert on lying presidents. >> tim saw not the shtick. He

>> tim saw not the shtick. He saw the authenticity and james

Saw the authenticity and james and mary.

And mary. >> love em or hate em they're

>> love em or hate em they're completely authentic.

Completely authentic. >> they were from somewhere.

>> they were from somewhere. They weren't just these uber

They weren't just these uber polished elites.

Polished elites. >> how do you think it's going

>> how do you think it's going to do in iowa and new

To do in iowa and new hampshire? You're the baby.

Hampshire? You're the baby. >> anybody want a baby? Oh, no.

>> anybody want a baby? Oh, no. >> baby we are joined by two of

>> baby we are joined by two of my favorites, emma and maddie.

My favorites, emma and maddie. >> carville carville and

>> carville carville and madeleine were really sort of

Madeleine were really sort of cable 1.0 when you really did

Cable 1.0 when you really did try to find some common ground

Try to find some common ground and then msnbc started to rise

And then msnbc started to rise fox started to rise and things

Fox started to rise and things polarized. People went to their

Polarized. People went to their echo chambers.

Echo chambers. >> it's always been a racket.

>> it's always been a racket. But there was an honor and

But there was an honor and there was civility. I'm happy

There was civility. I'm happy that both of us were able to

That both of us were able to work when we did in the golden

Work when we did in the golden age.

Age. >> won't you be perceived

>> won't you be perceived simply as a political hitman

Simply as a political hitman who went after ken starr and

Who went after ken starr and tried to destroy him?

Tried to destroy him? >> what happened was I was

>> what happened was I was right on ken starr, and I'm

Right on ken starr, and I'm right about this right wing

Right about this right wing money.

Money. >> spend, spend spend. I'll let

>> spend, spend spend. I'll let you ramble. Let me be concise

You ramble. Let me be concise and accurate.

And accurate. >> this is your 10th wedding

>> this is your 10th wedding anniversary.

Anniversary. >> will you make ten more?

>> will you make ten more? >> you know this is the only

>> you know this is the only time we fight, tim so we'll be

Time we fight, tim so we'll be right back mary matalin.

Right back mary matalin. >> you are joining the

>> you are joining the bush-cheney administration.

Bush-cheney administration. >> not a minute too soon.

>> not a minute too soon. >> why are you leaving your

>> why are you leaving your role as private citizen and

Role as private citizen and joining the federal government

Joining the federal government as an advisor to the president

As an advisor to the president and vice president?

And vice president? >> well, as the president said

>> well, as the president said yesterday we need to be

Yesterday we need to be citizens, not spectators.

Citizens, not spectators. >> your wife, is he joining the

>> your wife, is he joining the enemy or serving our country?

Enemy or serving our country? >> well, I mean, I think it

>> well, I mean, I think it clearly that she and I'm very

Clearly that she and I'm very proud of her. She thinks she's

Proud of her. She thinks she's serving the country. She's

Serving the country. She's serving people that she deeply

Serving people that she deeply cares and respects for

Cares and respects for president bush and vice

President bush and vice president cheney.

President cheney. >> when I went into the white

>> when I went into the white house, quit our nice life that

House, quit our nice life that we built with our kids were two

We built with our kids were two and five. He stopped talking to

And five. He stopped talking to me for many, many moons.

Me for many, many moons. >> no comment tonight on his

>> no comment tonight on his wife's new job from the

Wife's new job from the democratic strategist james

Democratic strategist james carville.

Carville. >> he didn't want the pay cut,

>> he didn't want the pay cut, and he didn't want the

And he didn't want the emotional energy that he felt.

Emotional energy that he felt. He deserved to be diverted I

He deserved to be diverted I had to force him to come to my

Had to force him to come to my swearing in ceremony, stood in

Swearing in ceremony, stood in the back of the room like this.

The back of the room like this. >> it was just such bullshit.

>> it was just such bullshit. >> she's doing something that

>> she's doing something that she really believes in but

She really believes in but maybe I'll do a little bit to

Maybe I'll do a little bit to make her job more difficult,

Make her job more difficult, but I'm sure she's up to it

But I'm sure she's up to it no I supported him when he

No I supported him when he slapped me across the face by

Slapped me across the face by doing clinton in the first

Doing clinton in the first place, and that if any

Place, and that if any multitasker on earth could take

Multitasker on earth could take care of two kids and him in the

Care of two kids and him in the house, and the time four cats

House, and the time four cats and four dogs, and I could do

And four dogs, and I could do it.

It. >> and I did do it. So I

>> and I did do it. So I resented his lack of confidence

Resented his lack of confidence in me to get it done.

In me to get it done. >> you can have it all. You

>> you can have it all. You just can't have it pleasantly.

Just can't have it pleasantly. You're always tired. You're

You're always tired. You're always the last one in line.

Always the last one in line. Husbands are second to the last

Husbands are second to the last in line the repeat of that was

In line the repeat of that was the iraq war, which he was so

The iraq war, which he was so opposed to.

Opposed to. >> I have my opinions about

>> I have my opinions about that which are not worth

That which are not worth sharing because irrelevant mary

Sharing because irrelevant mary matalin the debate over the

Matalin the debate over the war. How do you see it playing

War. How do you see it playing out across the country

Americans understand the threat that saddam poses they

That saddam poses they understand the connection

Understand the connection between weapons of mass

Between weapons of mass destruction and the terrorists.

Destruction and the terrorists. All through that iraq war.

All through that iraq war. >> nobody was more passionate

>> nobody was more passionate about speaking out against it

About speaking out against it than james. Nobody was more

Than james. Nobody was more passionate than advocating for

Passionate than advocating for it than mary.

It than mary. >> what do you think is going

>> what do you think is going to hurt president bush more?

To hurt president bush more? The fact that he hasn't found

The fact that he hasn't found any weapons of mass destruction

Any weapons of mass destruction in iraq, or the fact that iraq

In iraq, or the fact that iraq is getting more violent by the

Is getting more violent by the day, and we've been there

Day, and we've been there forever. And the thing is going

Forever. And the thing is going to hell in a handbasket mary

To hell in a handbasket mary worked for cheney and I just

Worked for cheney and I just detested the iraq war that

Detested the iraq war that caused me to the most

Caused me to the most discomfort. I think I

Kept I kept trying to talk to him about it.

Him about it. >> said, you know what you know

>> said, you know what you know what?

What? >> it takes two to tango. If I

>> it takes two to tango. If I stop fighting, I'm not talking

Stop fighting, I'm not talking about this elegant.

About this elegant. >> and we didn't, and we

>> and we didn't, and we haven't to this day I'm not

Haven't to this day I'm not advising this for relationships

Advising this for relationships sometimes if you got to have a

Sometimes if you got to have a fight in the marriage, at least

Fight in the marriage, at least it wasn't over the toothpaste

It wasn't over the toothpaste cap.

Cap. >> it was over a war.

>> it was over a war. >> we can fight over that too

>> we can fight over that too but I you know at some point

But I you know at some point everything you move out. Uh

Fighting. >> it just wasn't it wasn't

>> it just wasn't it wasn't going to change anything

Going to change anything catholics are supposed to stay

Catholics are supposed to stay married I never thought about

Married I never thought about ending my marriage. I never,

Ending my marriage. I never, never crossed my mind.

Never crossed my mind. >> boris happens. I get it we

>> boris happens. I get it we were not going to divorce each

Were not going to divorce each other we could torture each

Other we could torture each other in perpetuity.

Other in perpetuity. >> and there we came perilously

>> and there we came perilously close. But we were not getting

Close. But we were not getting divorced.

Divorced. >> and at some point it became

>> and at some point it became like, I don't care how much

Like, I don't care how much you piss me off, I am not

You piss me off, I am not leaving you and you're not

Leaving you and you're not leaving me. And it became like,

Leaving me. And it became like, uh, like a competition of who

Uh, like a competition of who could outlive the other guy

Welcome back to the show congressman brendan boyle.

Congressman brendan boyle. He's a democrat of

He's a democrat of pennsylvania, representing the

Pennsylvania, representing the state's second congressional

State's second congressional district.

District. >> great to be back with you,

>> great to be back with you, julie mason show 3 to 6 p.M.

Julie mason show 3 to 6 p.M. >> eastern. One of the things

>> eastern. One of the things in my later life that has

In my later life that has defined me is I've spoken up

Defined me is I've spoken up against extreme identity

Against extreme identity politics.

Politics. >> I saw this woke silliness

>> I saw this woke silliness was just a disaster. I said

Was just a disaster. I said defund the police. Three

Defund the police. Three stupidest words in the history

Stupidest words in the history of the english language just

Of the english language just defund the police lunacy.

Defund the police lunacy. >> just take abraham lincoln's

>> just take abraham lincoln's name off of schools. I mean

Name off of schools. I mean that people see that some of

That people see that some of these people need to go to a

These people need to go to a woke detox center or something

Woke detox center or something there's just this preachy

There's just this preachy aspect of progressive politics

Aspect of progressive politics that people find enormously off

That people find enormously off putting.

Putting. >> no one wants to call people

>> no one wants to call people black necks or any of that

Black necks or any of that nonsense. My greatest is

Nonsense. My greatest is cultural appropriation. So if

Cultural appropriation. So if you come to new orleans and you

You come to new orleans and you have a sweatshirt and says, I

Have a sweatshirt and says, I got bourbon face on shit

Got bourbon face on shit street, am I going to say, oh

Street, am I going to say, oh my god, you appropriated my

My god, you appropriated my culture. How dare you say that

Culture. How dare you say that james is not a cultural

James is not a cultural warrior.

Warrior. >> he wants to find the thread

>> he wants to find the thread that will impact the most

That will impact the most people and therefore move the

People and therefore move the most voters he is the voice

Most voters he is the voice pushing the democratic party to

Pushing the democratic party to remember the whole country if

Remember the whole country if we keep this kind of npr

We keep this kind of npr identity left politics, we're

Identity left politics, we're going to lose he is singling

Democratic politics and it's not their beliefs that he is so

Not their beliefs that he is so upset about it's the fact that

Upset about it's the fact that if they don't get their way,

If they don't get their way, they'll just stay home these

They'll just stay home these are ideas from the left that

Are ideas from the left that are prevalent now in the

Are prevalent now in the democratic party. And yet

Democratic party. And yet you're speaking kind of

You're speaking kind of negatively about the left

Negatively about the left because it has become

Because it has become symbolically to be interested

Symbolically to be interested more in changing dictionaries

More in changing dictionaries and changing lives

Know, you read an interesting time to be alive. God bless

Time to be alive. God bless about 10 or 11% of democrats

About 10 or 11% of democrats described themselves as

Described themselves as progressive, liberal, whatever

Progressive, liberal, whatever that means, right? Okay, yes.

That means, right? Okay, yes. This is survey after survey and

This is survey after survey and these people are annoying

These people are annoying silly, and most

They're talking about. I know the original word woke was to

The original word woke was to connote that black people need

Connote that black people need to be woke, and their

To be woke, and their interactions with the police.

Interactions with the police. What happened was overeducated,

What happened was overeducated, coastal white people got ahold

Coastal white people got ahold of the word, and as they do

Of the word, and as they do everything else, they

Everything else, they completely fucked it up. And

Completely fucked it up. And pissed everybody in the country

Pissed everybody in the country off.

Off. >> yeah. Now you're speaking

>> yeah. Now you're speaking my language.

My language. >> and if we just could get the

>> and if we just could get the humanities faculty at amherst

Humanities faculty at amherst to shut the fuck up would be a

To shut the fuck up would be a lot better off.

Lot better off. >> these groups the nice

>> these groups the nice people. Don't get me wrong but

People. Don't get me wrong but they don't understand

They don't understand politics. Human motivation

Politics. Human motivation organization picking a fight,

Organization picking a fight, winning the fight moving to the

Winning the fight moving to the next fight. That's what's

Next fight. That's what's important.

Important. >> I'm going to leave you with

>> I'm going to leave you with another superb quote from the

Another superb quote from the great james carville. Screw the

Great james carville. Screw the argument. Win the election.

Argument. Win the election. James carville

Production, and digital distribution.

Distribution. >> call or scan the qr code now

Spent packing. >> I usually go to costco and

>> I usually go to costco and just buy underwear and socks

Just buy underwear and socks and t shirts and just throw

And t shirts and just throw them away.

Them away. >> it's significantly cheaper

>> it's significantly cheaper than hotel laundry

Year. >> I can't do that anymore

>> hope we got everything

Going to be right in front. >> okay

James carville with some choice words about his fellow

Words about his fellow democrats. Joe biden is

Democrats. Joe biden is bleeding black male voters. A

Bleeding black male voters. A suspicion of mine quoting here

Suspicion of mine quoting here is that there are too many

Is that there are too many preachy females dominating the

Preachy females dominating the culture of his party.

Culture of his party. >> I've always thought that

>> I've always thought that good speech uses visuals.

Good speech uses visuals. >> if I say that the message is

>> if I say that the message is getting out is too many preachy

Getting out is too many preachy females everybody knows what

Females everybody knows what I'm saying.

I'm saying. >> democratic messaging is too

>> democratic messaging is too feminine. I don't eat

Feminine. I don't eat hamburgers, don't watch

Hamburgers, don't watch football, don't drink beer but

Football, don't drink beer but james carville basically is

James carville basically is saying is that democrats got

Saying is that democrats got too out of touch lost

Too out of touch lost connection with working class

Connection with working class voters. It's a classic

Voters. It's a classic carville classic carville

Carville classic carville carville added.

Carville added. >> these women are like global

>> these women are like global warming is real. James, you

Warming is real. James, you gotta eat your peas. Don't

Gotta eat your peas. Don't preach to me. Woman I'm

Preach to me. Woman I'm spooning with my gator

Get any closer than

>> well, we'll just walk from here

Television here. Are you trying to get to miss? Yes ma'am.

To get to miss? Yes ma'am. >> you want me to walk you out?

>> you want me to walk you out? I would, I would love if you

I would, I would love if you walked me over. Thank you

Walked me over. Thank you ma'am.

Ma'am. >> I'm a producer at wnbc. I'm

>> I'm a producer at wnbc. I'm from new orleans.

From new orleans. >> okay

Joe has got to go. Genocide joe has got to go. Genocide, joe,

Has got to go. Genocide, joe, you saved my life on

Carville is our special guest on a big political night, the

On a big political night, the biden campaign just released

Biden campaign just released this photo. Biden is, of course

This photo. Biden is, of course leaning on the democratic

Leaning on the democratic predecessors.

Predecessors. >> good to see you. You good to

>> good to see you. You good to see you. It's an exciting time

See you. It's an exciting time to be in manhattan.

To be in manhattan. >> yes. Across the street. What

>> yes. Across the street. What does it mean to have these

Does it mean to have these three together for the

Three together for the democratic party?

Democratic party? >> it means historic. And I

>> it means historic. And I think the party is starting to

Think the party is starting to gel to come together. But we're

Gel to come together. But we're not going to replicate the 2020

Not going to replicate the 2020 coalition. We're most people

Coalition. We're most people think we're going to lose

Think we're going to lose hispanic males. You've upset a

Hispanic males. You've upset a lot of people, at least with

Lot of people, at least with the way you put it. It's almost

The way you put it. It's almost like I didn't tell you I was

Like I didn't tell you I was going to ask this. It's almost

Going to ask this. It's almost like you knew. Here's the

Like you knew. Here's the quote, recent to the new york

Quote, recent to the new york times, a suspicion of mine.

Times, a suspicion of mine. James carville quote is

James carville quote is there's too many quote preachy

There's too many quote preachy females sometimes I go out on a

Females sometimes I go out on a limb and say provocative

Limb and say provocative things.

Things. >> but what I was trying to do

>> but what I was trying to do is bring attention to the fact

Is bring attention to the fact that we're losing males.

That we're losing males. >> do you know what I succeeded

In marching. All right. Thank you thank you.

You thank you. >> good to see you yeah. Thank

>> good to see you yeah. Thank you oh, how I want to be in

You oh, how I want to be in that number oh, when the saints

That number oh, when the saints go, go marching in

>> I want to have a cup of black please.

Black please. >> you're a vip mug.

>> you're a vip mug. >> there you go

Living here most places kind of discard the elderly and here

Discard the elderly and here the elderly are treated with

The elderly are treated with respect and that is not common

Respect and that is not common I just don't want to grow old

I just don't want to grow old among strangers.

Among strangers. >> that's just something that.

>> that's just something that. >> that's why I wanted to come

>> that's why I wanted to come here this is a sign of an

Here this is a sign of an advanced civilization a donut

Advanced civilization a donut is the sign of a fat cop

>> I've never seen this kind of traffic on top of tourists.

Of traffic on top of tourists. >> well, I spent the day with

>> well, I spent the day with your beautiful model daughter.

Your beautiful model daughter. She's kicking it at the farm.

She's kicking it at the farm. And emerson has a date tonight

And emerson has a date tonight with a republican.

With a republican. >> oh, wow sadly, I want her to

>> oh, wow sadly, I want her to get politics. What difference

Get politics. What difference does it make?

Does it make? >> just have fun because

>> just have fun because republican men are micro

Republican men are micro penises. I cannot end aren't I?

Penises. I cannot end aren't I? >> just don't come on, come on

>> just don't come on, come on I have fun, honey love you.

I have fun, honey love you. >> dad, I love you all. Okay I

>> dad, I love you all. Okay I did, I meant that emotionally I

Did, I meant that emotionally I know that. I know that, honey I

Know that. I know that, honey I know that but did you get that

Know that but did you get that non sequitur?

Non sequitur? >> I love you, love you. Bye

>> I love you, love you. Bye bye.

Bye. >> she's embarrassed by

About us initially. Then it turned into today we are some

Turned into today we are some sort of prescription for

Sort of prescription for bipartisan civility. Like we do

Bipartisan civility. Like we do not have bipartisan civility.

Not have bipartisan civility. We have marital civility. We

We have marital civility. We have bipartisan cacophony

People can infer what they want or don't want from it it's all

Or don't want from it it's all how central your politics are.

How central your politics are. You they are tens of millions

You they are tens of millions of people in the united states

Of people in the united states that don't even know anybody

That don't even know anybody from another party it never

From another party it never occurred to me that your love

Occurred to me that your love interest and politics would be

Interest and politics would be a determinant in a

A determinant in a relationship.

Relationship. >> but a majority of people

>> but a majority of people don't want to date somebody

Don't want to date somebody from the other party so a

From the other party so a majority of people just want to

Majority of people just want to like, think like they think and

Like, think like they think and be validated.

Be validated. >> 24 over seven.

>> 24 over seven. >> well, I think that's

>> well, I think that's sorrowful I have to agree with

Sorrowful I have to agree with him, but he makes me think

Him, but he makes me think there is not a day that goes by

There is not a day that goes by that I don't hear something new

That I don't hear something new from him or laugh at some weird

From him or laugh at some weird thing that he thinks is funny.

Thing that he thinks is funny. Be curious he's just like lives

Be curious he's just like lives in his own world and I love

In his own world and I love that he's just a wonder it's

That he's just a wonder it's like a wonder of nature but so

Like a wonder of nature but so is a hurricane. It's so nice.

Is a hurricane. It's so nice. You just had to batten down the

You just had to batten down the hatches and get a stiff martini

Hatches and get a stiff martini and let the hurricane pass by

Immigration and border security what I've done since I've

What I've done since I've changed the law. You're in a

Changed the law. You're in a situation where there are 40%

Situation where there are 40% fewer people coming across the

Fewer people coming across the border illegally. That's better

Border illegally. That's better than when he left office. And

Than when he left office. And I'm going to continue to move

I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on

Until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative

The total initiative relative to what we're going to do with

To what we're going to do with more border patrol and more

More border patrol and more asylum officers president

Asylum officers president trump, I really don't know what

Trump, I really don't know what he said at the end of that

He said at the end of that sentence.

Sentence. >> I don't think he knows what

>> I don't think he knows what he said either before you even

He said either before you even get into the mumbling and

Get into the mumbling and fumbling and missteps and

Fumbling and missteps and stumbling, the optics alone are

Stumbling, the optics alone are so devastating. Um, dealing

So devastating. Um, dealing with everything we have to do

With everything we have to do with uh, look if we finally

With uh, look if we finally beat medicare, he is too weak.

Beat medicare, he is too weak. >> he is too frail. He is a

>> he is too frail. He is a cognitive mess. What was your

Cognitive mess. What was your personal take on what you saw

Personal take on what you saw tonight? And what are you

Tonight? And what are you hearing from the people you've

Hearing from the people you've been speaking with?

Been speaking with? >> it's kind of a defcon. One

>> it's kind of a defcon. One moment.

Moment. >> there is a deep a wide and a

>> there is a deep a wide and a very aggressive panic in the

Very aggressive panic in the democratic party.

Democratic party. >> you got to test to me

>> you got to test to me tonight to restore confidence

Tonight to restore confidence of the country and of the base

Of the country and of the base and he failed to do that

Times worse three minutes after it started, I said fuck this. I

It started, I said fuck this. I took two gummies and listened

Took two gummies and listened to country music.

To country music. >> yeah, james you were right.

>> yeah, james you were right. >> four years ago and you're

>> four years ago and you're right again this time, who

Right again this time, who could have seen this coming?

Could have seen this coming? >> oh wait, right, I do know

>> oh wait, right, I do know this. The worst thing that

This. The worst thing that could happen to you in politics

Could happen to you in politics is you

And what happened last night is people suspected that he was

People suspected that he was too old for the job. And they

Too old for the job. And they walked away saying, well, yeah,

Walked away saying, well, yeah, he is too old for the job. I

He is too old for the job. I think it's that simple.

Think it's that simple. >> it's been obvious for

>> it's been obvious for months years. Biden is too old.

Months years. Biden is too old. >> what has worked nothing

>> what has worked nothing nothing I tried, man, I tried

The road with the harris-walz campaign.

Campaign. >> and this is cnn

People who watch joe biden will say to themselves I want this

Say to themselves I want this guy as president in three

Guy as president in three years, voters have been telling

Years, voters have been telling democrats that on polls,

Democrats that on polls, basically the whole time joe

Basically the whole time joe biden has been president

Biden has been president democrats, or at least joe

Democrats, or at least joe biden, have not been listening.

Biden, have not been listening. >> and now they're going to

>> and now they're going to have to decide whether or not

Have to decide whether or not they're going to listen we're

They're going to listen we're on track to lose an election to

On track to lose an election to a major criminal who is going

A major criminal who is going to destroy the western

To destroy the western alliance, the constitution, and

Alliance, the constitution, and everything in between.

Everything in between. >> so we ought to act like it.

>> so we ought to act like it. >> we're up against the wall.

>> we're up against the wall. The democratic party is the

The democratic party is the united states of america is up

United states of america is up against the wall. The country

Against the wall. The country is clamoring for change james

Is clamoring for change james carville who has urged biden

Carville who has urged biden not to run again, told the

Not to run again, told the times.

Times. >> you know how bad the

>> you know how bad the upcoming dnc in chicago is

Upcoming dnc in chicago is going to be. We are going to

Going to be. We are going to sit shiva for four days, a

Sit shiva for four days, a reference to a jewish grief

Reference to a jewish grief ritual yeah, I mean, I would

Ritual yeah, I mean, I would defer to rabbi carville on that

Defer to rabbi carville on that when I was young, I saw a

When I was young, I saw a democrat as the party of hope I

Democrat as the party of hope I have a dream keep hope alive

Have a dream keep hope alive the man from hope. The hope

The man from hope. The hope host.

Host. >> we hope. And we want other

>> we hope. And we want other people to have hope. That's why

People to have hope. That's why we do what we do and we're now

We do what we do and we're now at a party, frankly, at a

At a party, frankly, at a crossroads where did michael

Crossroads where did michael corleone say, how do you get

Corleone say, how do you get out of this business so 30

Out of this business so 30 years I've been out

Years I've been out pontificating and strategizing

Pontificating and strategizing in public, maybe people will

In public, maybe people will say, we've had enough of james

Say, we've had enough of james carville. Thank you. We need

Carville. Thank you. We need some new blood out I'd say

Some new blood out I'd say understand that I probably

Understand that I probably enough of myself it's just so

Enough of myself it's just so nonsensical politics today I

Nonsensical politics today I feel bad that my heart no

Feel bad that my heart no longer belongs to politics his

Longer belongs to politics his vehicle for policy is still

Vehicle for policy is still open to him but as he well

Open to him but as he well knows the problems and the

Knows the problems and the solutions are bigger than a guy

Solutions are bigger than a guy the responsibility of governing

The responsibility of governing requires you actually to have

Requires you actually to have the power to govern, and you

The power to govern, and you can't have the power to govern

Can't have the power to govern if you do not win so in that

If you do not win so in that sense, winning is everything.

Sense, winning is everything. >> and james is in the business

>> and james is in the business of winning elections without

Of winning elections without losing your soul

Have a more just society far and away, the best way to

And away, the best way to accomplish that is through

Accomplish that is through political power. But without

Political power. But without political power you're not

Political power you're not going to get the shit done I'm

Going to get the shit done I'm gonna head out and okay, you

Gonna head out and okay, you ready?

Ready? >> go, go by james.

>> go, go by james. >> bye bye.

>> bye bye. >> thank you damn it.

>> thank you damn it. >> this country is worth

>> this country is worth fighting for the principle of

Fighting for the principle of the generation of promise is

The generation of promise is worth fulfilling.

Worth fulfilling. >> and I am not going to let

>> and I am not going to let anybody say at a time that our

Anybody say at a time that our basic institutions, our basic

Basic institutions, our basic philosophy, our sense of

Philosophy, our sense of decency, and our sense of

Decency, and our sense of national purpose is under

National purpose is under attack that I sat by and did

Attack that I sat by and did nothing more than pull a legal

Nothing more than pull a legal that's your choice I think I

That's your choice I think I know what you're going to do I

Know what you're going to do I know that you people and people

Know that you people and people like you around this country

Like you around this country want to not just fight back but

Want to not just fight back but you want to fight for something

You want to fight for something you want to fight for this

You want to fight for this nation.

Nation. >> you want to fight for its

>> you want to fight for its people you want to fight for

People you want to fight for its children.

Its children. >> the most importantly, you

>> the most importantly, you want to fight for its future we

Want to fight for its future we have big battles coming up

Thank you

Bless you. God bless the united states of america

A parade is coming. I grab, I grab a whistle, a baton and a

Grab a whistle, a baton and a high hat. And I throw the baton

High hat. And I throw the baton in the air because there's a

In the air because there's a parade and it's called the

Parade and it's called the kamala harris parade. They can

Kamala harris parade. They can do whatever they want, but this

Do whatever they want, but this train has left the station. Eat

Train has left the station. Eat her dust she put her entire

Her dust she put her entire career at stake. Ellen's coming

Career at stake. Ellen's coming out episode says to the world

Out episode says to the world it's okay to be gay.

It's okay to be gay. >> I don't think I realize how

>> I don't think I realize how much it meant till I saw the

Much it meant till I saw the reaction on tv on the edge

Reaction on tv on the edge moments that shaped our culture

Moments that shaped our culture tomorrow at nine on cnn. Hey

Tomorrow at nine on cnn. Hey mom, how many should I decorate

Mom, how many should I decorate of each half red, half blue

Of each half red, half blue ooh, that's a really tough

Ooh, that's a really tough call. Who are you?

Call. Who are you? >> that's john king from cnn.

>> that's john king from cnn. >> let's look at the data.

>> let's look at the data. Your county leaned red by 15

Your county leaned red by 15 points in the last presidential

Points in the last presidential election. However, looking at

Election. However, looking at the latest polling, you're

The latest polling, you're going to need a lot of those

Going to need a lot of those purple sprinkles

>> no it's a step