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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,363 --> 00:00:32,031 Well, now, with just a slight skip of the heart, 2 00:00:32,033 --> 00:00:34,666 we have, I think, got through to Chicago and Muhammad Ali. 3 00:00:34,668 --> 00:00:37,936 - Are you hearing us from London, Muhammad? - Yes, sir. Loud and clear. 4 00:00:37,938 --> 00:00:41,273 - How are you doing today? - Very well. Thank you. Welcome to the show. 5 00:00:41,275 --> 00:00:46,645 Thank you for allowing me to come to you live by Early Bird satellite. 6 00:00:46,647 --> 00:00:49,815 Now, let me just get a few facts straight with you. 7 00:00:49,817 --> 00:00:52,618 You're a professional fighter, right? 8 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:56,789 I am a minister of the religion of Islam also. 9 00:00:56,791 --> 00:00:58,824 A professional fighter and a minister as well. 10 00:00:58,826 --> 00:01:04,063 - Yes, sir. - David Susskind would like to ask you some questions. David. 11 00:01:04,065 --> 00:01:05,431 Well, I don't know where to begin. 12 00:01:05,433 --> 00:01:11,003 I find nothing amusing or interesting or tolerable about this man. 13 00:01:11,005 --> 00:01:14,406 He's a disgrace to his country, his race... 14 00:01:14,408 --> 00:01:17,609 and what he laughingly describes as his profession. 15 00:01:17,611 --> 00:01:21,013 He is a convicted felon in the United States. 16 00:01:21,015 --> 00:01:23,515 He has been found guilty. 17 00:01:23,516 --> 00:01:24,484 He is out on bail. 18 00:01:24,485 --> 00:01:27,786 He will inevitably go to prison, as well he should. 19 00:01:27,788 --> 00:01:31,623 He's a simplistic fool and a pawn. 20 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,728 Muhammad Ali. 21 00:01:37,831 --> 00:01:40,499 One of the greatest athletes of all time. 22 00:01:40,501 --> 00:01:44,903 As the first three-time heavyweight boxing champion of the world, 23 00:01:44,905 --> 00:01:48,040 he thrilled, entertained and inspired us. 24 00:01:48,042 --> 00:01:51,743 He was given the Medal of Freedom... 25 00:01:51,745 --> 00:01:53,779 by the president of the United States. 26 00:01:53,781 --> 00:01:57,883 The American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali... 27 00:01:57,885 --> 00:02:00,819 one of our own. 28 00:02:06,426 --> 00:02:12,064 What does it mean, the Medal of Freedom? 29 00:02:12,066 --> 00:02:13,599 We bring you up. Oh, yes. 30 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:19,104 This is Muhammad Ali, the great fighter, the great humanitarian, 31 00:02:19,106 --> 00:02:21,140 the great Muslim. 32 00:02:21,142 --> 00:02:22,608 Years ago, 33 00:02:22,610 --> 00:02:25,544 Ali came and sat right here. 34 00:02:25,546 --> 00:02:28,413 And Ali looked at me. 35 00:02:28,415 --> 00:02:33,318 He said, "Still a nigger." 36 00:02:34,487 --> 00:02:36,755 I said, "Oh, Ali. 37 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:39,591 Don't talk like that." 38 00:02:39,593 --> 00:02:43,795 He said, "Still a nigger." 39 00:02:44,964 --> 00:02:48,400 What did my brother mean? 40 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:13,559 Olympic champion, and the flag is going... 41 00:03:17,531 --> 00:03:19,798 And I'm standing so proud. 42 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,999 I just hear the man say, 43 00:03:21,001 --> 00:03:25,737 "Champion of the whole world... Cassius Clay." 44 00:03:26,172 --> 00:03:28,240 Olympic champion of the world... 45 00:03:28,241 --> 00:03:29,042 ...from Kentucky. 46 00:03:29,043 --> 00:03:32,811 Southern boy raised poor becoming a gold medal winner, oh, man. 47 00:03:32,813 --> 00:03:36,014 Oh! I still get excited. 48 00:03:36,516 --> 00:03:41,153 Me, my mother, my father were standing at the terminal 49 00:03:41,155 --> 00:03:43,322 when he came off the plane. 50 00:03:43,324 --> 00:03:44,723 I was so happy. 51 00:03:44,725 --> 00:03:47,459 It was beautiful. Beautiful. 52 00:03:51,965 --> 00:03:54,032 Any ideas now as to whom you might sign with? 53 00:03:54,034 --> 00:03:57,769 I would like to get with a nice, honest crowd. Nice, clean people. 54 00:03:57,771 --> 00:04:01,106 And with the right backing, I believe I'll have a chance... 55 00:04:01,108 --> 00:04:02,774 to become the world's heavyweight champion. 56 00:04:02,776 --> 00:04:07,846 It's best to be with somebody you know and from your own town if possible. 57 00:04:15,888 --> 00:04:18,924 I'm Gordon B. Davidson, attorney for the Louisville Sponsoring Group, 58 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:25,063 owner of Cassius Clay and the hired hand to keep the group and Cassius Clay together. 59 00:04:25,065 --> 00:04:29,768 We had a contract with Ali for six years. 60 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:34,806 We were as powerful a group as you could put together in Louisville. 61 00:04:34,808 --> 00:04:37,776 These were all capitalists. 62 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:42,047 I'm Bill Faversham, vice president of Brown-Foreman, 63 00:04:42,049 --> 00:04:44,983 and one of the founders of the group of Cassius Clay. 64 00:04:44,985 --> 00:04:47,552 I'm also his manager. 65 00:04:49,722 --> 00:04:50,989 I'm W.L. Lyons Brown, 66 00:04:50,991 --> 00:04:54,660 chairman of the board of Brown-Foreman Distillers Corporation. 67 00:04:54,662 --> 00:04:57,062 I'm also a farmer and in the oil business. 68 00:04:57,064 --> 00:05:00,866 The original group, they're all deceased. 69 00:05:00,868 --> 00:05:03,235 I'm the only survivor. 70 00:05:03,770 --> 00:05:09,574 The reason for the group was to aid, assist and protect... 71 00:05:09,576 --> 00:05:12,844 this fine Louisville athlete. 72 00:05:12,846 --> 00:05:16,815 He was a young fellow who wanted to be great. 73 00:05:18,785 --> 00:05:23,055 Cassius, you say you're gonna be champion by the time you're 21. Is that right? 74 00:05:23,057 --> 00:05:28,193 As you know, today is the jet age. Everybody's trying to break records. 75 00:05:28,195 --> 00:05:32,297 There's the man who says that he'll be on the moon by 1970. 76 00:05:32,299 --> 00:05:35,233 They're gonna make cars that will run by sunlight. 77 00:05:35,235 --> 00:05:38,003 Well, those are pretty game predictions. 78 00:05:38,005 --> 00:05:40,172 I wouldn't want to do too much bragging about it, 79 00:05:40,174 --> 00:05:47,112 but everybody that watches me, they say that I'm the greatest that they've ever seen. 80 00:05:47,114 --> 00:05:50,615 But did I think he would be the heavyweight champion? 81 00:05:50,617 --> 00:05:52,984 I had doubts about it. 82 00:05:53,119 --> 00:05:54,753 And I think the group had doubts about it... 83 00:05:54,755 --> 00:05:58,357 because the odds, it's like winning the Kentucky Derby. 84 00:05:58,359 --> 00:06:02,361 You have a horse, and the horse looks pretty good, 85 00:06:02,363 --> 00:06:05,464 but it is gonna win the Derby? 86 00:06:05,598 --> 00:06:08,667 He never had a doubt about it. 87 00:06:08,801 --> 00:06:12,037 For me to say it was a civic thing... 88 00:06:12,039 --> 00:06:14,005 ...it was. 89 00:06:14,774 --> 00:06:18,710 This is the house behind us that Muhammad and I were raised in... 90 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:21,880 for the first 13 years of our life. 91 00:06:26,619 --> 00:06:29,921 Who's the champ? I'm the champ. 92 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:31,490 - Come on. - You come on. 93 00:06:31,492 --> 00:06:34,960 I was good, but he was more gifted than I 94 00:06:35,928 --> 00:06:37,562 Left jab, 95 00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:38,897 right cross, 96 00:06:38,899 --> 00:06:40,332 hook. 97 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:45,904 And we shared a room together. It had twin beds. 98 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:47,739 He had a bed on one side on the room. 99 00:06:47,741 --> 00:06:50,041 I had a bed on the side of the room. 100 00:06:52,678 --> 00:06:55,414 And from Mom, we got kindness, 101 00:06:55,416 --> 00:06:58,884 gentleness, sweetness and affection, love. 102 00:06:58,886 --> 00:07:01,386 All the good things from Mom. 103 00:07:01,388 --> 00:07:04,790 My father, his name was Cassius M. Clay Sr. 104 00:07:04,792 --> 00:07:07,392 As I understand, I'm Cassius Marcellus Clay VI. 105 00:07:07,394 --> 00:07:11,029 Well, Cassius Marcellus Clay is a great name in Kentucky. 106 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:13,131 Cassius Marcellus Clay... 107 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:15,333 the old guy, the white guy, 108 00:07:15,335 --> 00:07:17,836 for whom Cassius was named... 109 00:07:17,838 --> 00:07:21,206 he was a very strong abolitionist. 110 00:07:21,208 --> 00:07:26,812 I did talk to the Clays a lot. Always a very friendly relationship. 111 00:07:26,814 --> 00:07:32,384 The father was kind of an in-and-out sort of fellow... 112 00:07:32,652 --> 00:07:37,255 who painted signs and other things for a living. 113 00:07:37,990 --> 00:07:42,994 My father was painting the churches here in Louisville. 114 00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:02,647 My dad painted this beautiful portrait of 115 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:05,650 Jesus Christ rescuing Peter. 116 00:08:06,018 --> 00:08:10,856 Peter started denying to believe in Christ and he started sinking 117 00:08:10,858 --> 00:08:12,858 When I went to church on Sunday, 118 00:08:12,860 --> 00:08:14,092 and I always asked my mother, 119 00:08:14,094 --> 00:08:15,894 "How come is everything white?" 120 00:08:15,896 --> 00:08:20,465 I said, "Why is Jesus white with blond hair and blue eyes? 121 00:08:20,467 --> 00:08:21,633 Angels are white." 122 00:08:21,635 --> 00:08:25,337 I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't pinpoint it. 123 00:08:26,706 --> 00:08:30,275 They had a lawyer whose name was Alberta Jones. 124 00:08:30,277 --> 00:08:35,013 She was an African-American lawyer and a very good one. 125 00:08:35,015 --> 00:08:40,952 He had little regard for money, except he wanted to have it to spend. 126 00:08:40,954 --> 00:08:42,521 When the group had him, 127 00:08:42,523 --> 00:08:48,193 the top rate for income tax was 91%. 128 00:08:48,195 --> 00:08:49,794 It's now 35. 129 00:08:49,796 --> 00:08:55,901 So the more he made, the more he paid to the government. 130 00:08:55,903 --> 00:08:57,569 To solve that problem, 131 00:08:57,571 --> 00:09:00,038 the group paid for everything... 132 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,609 so he could just concentrate on his boxing. 133 00:09:07,113 --> 00:09:09,347 Cassius, do you believe that a fighter... 134 00:09:09,349 --> 00:09:11,283 actually tries to kill another fighter? 135 00:09:11,285 --> 00:09:13,885 Does he get that vicious? Do you get that vicious? 136 00:09:13,887 --> 00:09:17,322 Every time I enter a ring, I intend to down him. 137 00:09:17,324 --> 00:09:18,490 And if he should fall, he falls. 138 00:09:18,492 --> 00:09:23,662 Well, that's everybody's intention or we wouldn't go in. 139 00:09:25,665 --> 00:09:32,070 We had a fund that we fondly jokingly called "The Orange Juice Fund." 140 00:09:32,072 --> 00:09:36,007 When he was in Florida, we would get the bills... 141 00:09:36,009 --> 00:09:39,444 and they would be in the range of, say, 142 00:09:39,446 --> 00:09:42,914 2,000 gallons worth of orange juice. 143 00:09:42,916 --> 00:09:48,753 And we knew that he wasn't drinking 2,000 gallons of orange juice. 144 00:09:48,755 --> 00:09:54,125 But the entourage managed to get a little one way or another. 145 00:09:54,127 --> 00:09:58,163 We could not foresee the difficulties that would lie ahead... 146 00:09:58,165 --> 00:10:05,165 as far as military service and, of course, the Muslim affiliation. 147 00:10:08,074 --> 00:10:11,610 This is the corner where I met Cassius Clay in 1961. 148 00:10:11,612 --> 00:10:18,416 I'm standing on the corner of Second Avenue and Sixth Street in Miami, Florida. 149 00:10:18,418 --> 00:10:21,353 I was selling the Muhammad Speaks newspaper... 150 00:10:21,355 --> 00:10:24,923 to propagate the faith of Islam. 151 00:10:26,525 --> 00:10:29,527 We tried to clean our people up. 152 00:10:30,997 --> 00:10:35,934 We were trying to be the best citizens that American had. 153 00:10:35,936 --> 00:10:38,236 People trying to be righteous. 154 00:10:39,071 --> 00:10:43,074 We didn't smoke. We didn't use drugs. 155 00:10:44,410 --> 00:10:46,144 We respected our women. 156 00:10:46,146 --> 00:10:51,449 We train our children to be the same way. This is what he saw. 157 00:10:51,451 --> 00:10:53,952 Cassius Clay holler across the street at me. 158 00:10:53,954 --> 00:10:58,256 He say, "Hey, brother, why are we called Negroes?" 159 00:10:58,258 --> 00:11:00,392 Why are we called Negroes? 160 00:11:00,394 --> 00:11:02,160 "Why are we blind, deaf and dumb?" 161 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:04,996 Why are we deaf, dumb and blind? 162 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:07,399 Why is everybody making progress... 163 00:11:07,401 --> 00:11:11,536 and yet we lag so far behind? 164 00:11:13,205 --> 00:11:16,141 I say, "Hey, man. You hip to the teachings then." 165 00:11:16,143 --> 00:11:17,175 He say, "Yeah, man." 166 00:11:17,177 --> 00:11:21,379 Well, I took it on myself to program him, we might say, 167 00:11:21,381 --> 00:11:26,184 keep after him to become a Muslim in the Nation of Islam. 168 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:27,485 But I wasn't the first one he heard it from, 169 00:11:27,487 --> 00:11:32,957 'cause he heard it mainly from that record Minister Farrakhan put out... 170 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:36,394 "White Man's Heaven is a Black Man's Hell." 171 00:11:38,130 --> 00:11:42,967 ♪ When the slave master wanted to have some sport ♪ 172 00:11:42,969 --> 00:11:48,373 ♪ He would heap on our parents cruelties of the worst sort ♪ 173 00:11:48,375 --> 00:11:50,408 ♪ Burn them at stake ♪ 174 00:11:50,410 --> 00:11:52,243 ♪ Hang them on trees ♪ 175 00:11:52,245 --> 00:11:56,114 ♪ His ears were deaf to our parents' pleas ♪ 176 00:11:56,116 --> 00:12:00,051 ♪ Oh, my friend, it's easy to tell ♪ 177 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:04,489 ♪ White man heaven is a black man hell ♪♪ 178 00:12:04,491 --> 00:12:08,493 When Cassius Marcellus Clay heard the song... 179 00:12:08,495 --> 00:12:12,097 "A White Man's Heaven is a Black Man's Hell"... 180 00:12:12,099 --> 00:12:15,667 which is still true to this very day... 181 00:12:15,669 --> 00:12:18,903 then he wanted to become a part of a movement... 182 00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:24,442 that would free the minds and hearts and spirit of our people. 183 00:12:24,444 --> 00:12:29,647 So he became a follower of the Nation of Islam. 184 00:12:30,616 --> 00:12:32,684 Black people at that time were tremendously vulnerable. 185 00:12:32,686 --> 00:12:37,622 Remember, we had no... There was really no advocate for the black community... 186 00:12:37,624 --> 00:12:41,726 other than Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. 187 00:12:41,728 --> 00:12:46,164 But we wanted to overcome yesterday, not someday. 188 00:12:46,166 --> 00:12:48,366 So the whole civil rights motif... 189 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:49,335 was not attractive to us. 190 00:12:49,336 --> 00:12:55,540 The overalls and the Southern agrarian accoutrement... 191 00:12:55,542 --> 00:12:57,108 that they were fond of, 192 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:58,476 this rubbed us the wrong way. 193 00:12:58,478 --> 00:13:00,645 I mean, we were city guys, you know. 194 00:13:00,647 --> 00:13:03,248 We wanted to look cool and urbane. 195 00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:07,352 We didn't want to act as if we were farm workers, you know. 196 00:13:07,354 --> 00:13:12,290 1962, I took Cassius Clay to Detroit. 197 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:15,226 I kind of introduced him to Malcolm at that time. 198 00:13:16,496 --> 00:13:20,098 It is time for you and me to stand up for ourselves. 199 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:24,269 The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us... 200 00:13:24,271 --> 00:13:26,337 don't let the white man speak for you... 201 00:13:26,339 --> 00:13:29,140 and don't let the white man fight for you. 202 00:13:31,377 --> 00:13:33,778 I think Malcolm X was absolutely critical... 203 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:36,481 to bringing Ali in to the Nation of Islam. 204 00:13:36,483 --> 00:13:40,218 He was charismatic and Ali was equally charismatic. 205 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:42,687 And Ali was not very sophisticated politically. 206 00:13:42,689 --> 00:13:48,493 I think Malcolm simply bowled him over with his wisdom and his eloquence. 207 00:13:48,495 --> 00:13:50,695 Egypt was judged for enslaving the Hebrews. 208 00:13:50,697 --> 00:13:54,165 God destroyed them. This was the Judgment Day in their day. 209 00:13:54,167 --> 00:13:55,266 Today, America's faced with the same thing. 210 00:13:55,268 --> 00:13:58,570 If she doesn't let us go with the Honorable Elijah Muhammad out of this country, 211 00:13:58,572 --> 00:14:03,541 then America will be destroyed just as surely as Egypt was destroyed... 212 00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:06,077 and Babylon was destroyed. 213 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:15,086 I came into the Nation of Islam in 1950. 214 00:14:15,088 --> 00:14:18,189 The minister was talking about... 215 00:14:18,191 --> 00:14:21,192 this cross... 216 00:14:21,194 --> 00:14:24,729 that black people had been nailed to. 217 00:14:26,265 --> 00:14:32,203 Said their hands had been nailed to the cross where they couldn't use them... 218 00:14:32,205 --> 00:14:34,539 to work for themselves. 219 00:14:34,673 --> 00:14:38,810 Their feet had been nailed to this cross... 220 00:14:38,812 --> 00:14:42,814 where they couldn't travel as free men. 221 00:14:43,082 --> 00:14:48,219 A crown of thorns had been crushed into their brain... 222 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:53,157 where they were unable to think for themselves. 223 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,760 And at that moment, 224 00:14:55,762 --> 00:14:57,595 it appeared as though that... 225 00:14:57,597 --> 00:14:59,898 you know, when you turn a light on... 226 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:03,501 bling, it clicked on in my head. 227 00:15:03,503 --> 00:15:08,206 The Nation of Islam will say, "Well, this is white America. 228 00:15:08,208 --> 00:15:09,474 Why should they include you? 229 00:15:09,476 --> 00:15:16,476 This is their country. Um, don't expect to be included in their mythology. 230 00:15:16,716 --> 00:15:19,550 Create your own mythology." 231 00:15:21,754 --> 00:15:23,521 One of the reasons why we could never progress... 232 00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:28,626 is because we had been indoctrinated by a culture that demeaned us. 233 00:15:28,628 --> 00:15:33,431 Christianity was widely interpreted to be a slave-making religion. 234 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:36,567 Islam was seen to be a slave-breaking religion. 235 00:15:36,569 --> 00:15:38,369 Greetings to you. 236 00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:44,175 I'm Elijah Muhammad, the preacher of freedom, justice and equality... 237 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:49,213 for my people who has been lost and now found. 238 00:15:49,215 --> 00:15:52,016 If you are a free man, don't say 239 00:15:52,018 --> 00:15:56,087 "I wanna make you treat me right" and you have made a slave 240 00:15:56,089 --> 00:16:02,293 out of my fathers, mothers, sisters and brothers for 400 years. 241 00:16:02,294 --> 00:16:02,528 No. 242 00:16:02,529 --> 00:16:08,066 I don't want to make you do nothing but let me go! 243 00:16:09,335 --> 00:16:12,804 Do you feel that integration is meaningless? 244 00:16:12,806 --> 00:16:16,407 I think integration is completely sin. 245 00:16:16,409 --> 00:16:19,544 ...to the black man and white man. 246 00:16:19,546 --> 00:16:23,081 Separatism is the only solution. 247 00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:25,717 I don't think many members of the Nation of Islam... 248 00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:31,122 were concerned really with the intricacies of the religion itself. 249 00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:35,860 Elijah Muhammad reinterpreted Islam as part of a liberatory ideology. 250 00:16:35,862 --> 00:16:39,030 And that's the way it was presented to the Nation of Islam. 251 00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:42,867 I said the earth belongs to the black man. 252 00:16:47,373 --> 00:16:49,741 I don't know. There's some mysterious force there. 253 00:16:49,743 --> 00:16:51,542 Because he wasn't really a charismatic guy. 254 00:16:51,544 --> 00:16:55,580 But yet he had this amazing attraction to some of the... 255 00:16:55,582 --> 00:16:58,483 the meanest and most sociopathic 256 00:16:58,485 --> 00:16:59,951 members of the community, 257 00:16:59,953 --> 00:17:02,820 as well as righteous folk. 258 00:17:02,822 --> 00:17:06,657 He was indeed a majestic leader. 259 00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:09,994 When I first went to Miami training for a professional fight, 260 00:17:09,996 --> 00:17:11,462 I went to a Muslim meeting. 261 00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:16,467 And as soon as I heard it, I knew this is what I've been looking for all of my life. 262 00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:19,470 Well, the man proved to me that I was not a Negro, 263 00:17:19,472 --> 00:17:20,571 that Cassius Clay was not my name, 264 00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:23,708 and I didn't know my language or my culture, my religion. 265 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:26,811 Today, few Negro leaders... militant or moderate... 266 00:17:26,813 --> 00:17:31,783 feel that the Negro masses will accept the Black Muslim social doctrine. 267 00:17:31,785 --> 00:17:34,952 I'm convinced that a doctrine of black supremacy... 268 00:17:34,954 --> 00:17:38,222 is as dangerous as a doctrine of white supremacy. 269 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:41,893 Fear of the secret dark. 270 00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:42,895 They are black Muslims, 271 00:17:42,896 --> 00:17:47,732 a national religious cult that says it will take over the United States... 272 00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:49,267 and eventually the world. 273 00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:53,471 Black capitalists... they preach "build black, buy black." 274 00:17:53,473 --> 00:17:59,043 The Muslims operate 47 schools of their own in the United States, 275 00:17:59,045 --> 00:18:03,781 including the University of Islam in Chicago. 276 00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:09,854 Growing up in the Nation of Islam was extraordinary. 277 00:18:09,856 --> 00:18:14,792 We were living in a nation within a nation, 278 00:18:14,794 --> 00:18:17,395 which is this nation. 279 00:18:17,729 --> 00:18:21,399 Cassius Marcellus Clay came to Chicago... 280 00:18:21,401 --> 00:18:26,571 to visit the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's empire. 281 00:18:26,573 --> 00:18:28,973 He said, "This Elijah Muhammad, 282 00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:35,046 he called white men the devil and... I mean, that's pretty bold. 283 00:18:35,048 --> 00:18:37,949 I want to meet this powerful man." 284 00:18:37,951 --> 00:18:39,851 And that's where I was at. 285 00:18:39,853 --> 00:18:43,688 I was in the school, and I was 10 years old. 286 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:48,559 Clay, he was introduced to the whole masses in the auditorium. 287 00:18:48,561 --> 00:18:52,163 And he stood up there and said to us... 288 00:18:52,498 --> 00:18:59,070 "I'm gonna be heavyweight champion before I'm 21. So get your autographs now." 289 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,876 So he came to me. He says, "Hey, little girl"... 290 00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:06,544 And he was scribbling his name... 291 00:19:06,546 --> 00:19:10,915 I says, "Brother, I'm gonna tell you something." 292 00:19:11,016 --> 00:19:13,818 And as I'm telling him this, I'm tearing up the autograph. 293 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:18,956 "And you learn who you are and you don't have the white man's name... 294 00:19:18,958 --> 00:19:20,925 the slave name, you know... 295 00:19:20,927 --> 00:19:22,827 then you can come back to me and we'll talk." 296 00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:27,098 And I opened up his hand and put the paper in his hand. 297 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:30,635 And he froze. And he said, 298 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:37,008 "What? Who is she?" And I walked away. 299 00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:56,694 55,000 people came that night. 300 00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:59,597 You should have seen the people. One layer. 301 00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:05,937 Two layers. 10,000 on each layer. 15,000, 20,000 on some. 302 00:20:05,939 --> 00:20:07,572 Four layers and a fifth layer. 303 00:20:07,574 --> 00:20:09,540 People were looking down on the ring. 304 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,243 55,000 and Cleopatra was at ringside. 305 00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:15,012 We don't believe it. The fifth round came. 306 00:20:15,014 --> 00:20:17,014 I hit him. 307 00:20:17,016 --> 00:20:19,750 Yeah, I said, "Come on, sucker." 308 00:20:19,752 --> 00:20:23,087 And he said, "Break it up." I said, "There he is." 309 00:20:23,089 --> 00:20:25,656 Let me see you close your mouth and just keep it closed. 310 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:28,092 - Well, you know that's impossible. - No, no, now keep it closed. 311 00:20:28,094 --> 00:20:30,228 You know that's impossible. I'm the greatest. 312 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:31,996 And I'm knocking out all bums. 313 00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:36,133 And if you get too smart, I'll knock you out. 314 00:20:39,938 --> 00:20:45,843 Cassius Clay was training for the Sonny Liston fight 315 00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:48,012 For the heavyweight championship 316 00:20:48,014 --> 00:20:51,415 I wanted him to be a registered Muslim. 317 00:20:51,550 --> 00:20:54,585 When you come into Islam, we write a letter... 318 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:56,520 saying we believe in the teachings. 319 00:20:56,522 --> 00:20:59,056 And we put our slave name in the letter. 320 00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:03,761 Those were the names the slave master had when they owned our ancestors. 321 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:06,931 So he wrote his letter and sent if off to Chicago... 322 00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:11,202 and then they sent back what we called "X." 323 00:21:11,204 --> 00:21:13,104 He became Cassius X. 324 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:20,044 And then the promoters, they was trying to get Ali to denounce the religion. 325 00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,212 And they told Ali, 326 00:21:21,214 --> 00:21:25,049 "You got to get rid of them Muslim kooks... 327 00:21:25,051 --> 00:21:26,884 and Captain Sam"... That's me... 328 00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:30,021 "and denounce that religion, otherwise there ain't gonna be no fight." 329 00:21:30,023 --> 00:21:34,692 Well, Ali had been training all his life for a fight for the heavyweight championship. 330 00:21:34,694 --> 00:21:37,862 So that summer scare a man to death. 331 00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:41,666 I said, "Man, don't believe that." 332 00:21:41,668 --> 00:21:43,134 I said, "Money's the white man's god." 333 00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:46,037 And I said, "You the only one who can make any money for 'em." 334 00:21:46,038 --> 00:21:46,838 I said, "Hold to your belief." 335 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:51,842 Ali was packing up his bus to leave Miami, and they ran over there. 336 00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:53,611 "Uh, where you goin', Champ?" 337 00:21:53,613 --> 00:21:55,079 He said, "I'm fin to go to Louisville." 338 00:21:55,081 --> 00:21:57,148 They said, "Wait a minute. The fight's on. The fight's on. 339 00:21:57,150 --> 00:22:00,785 You just don't say you're a Muslim. We ain't gonna say it neither." 340 00:22:00,787 --> 00:22:03,788 Ali said, "All right, I won't talk about it." 341 00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:11,529 Cassius Clay had no right to be in a ring with Sonny Liston. 342 00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:22,640 He had never beaten anybody of importance. 343 00:22:22,641 --> 00:22:23,208 He was untried. 344 00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:26,277 Jerry, I'm the greatest fighter that ever stepped foot in the ring. 345 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,748 But I'm getting ready to participate in the biggest fight of all time. 346 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:31,849 More money will be lost that night. 347 00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:36,087 This will be the biggest upset in the century of all boxing. 348 00:22:36,089 --> 00:22:37,888 I think you're a big bag of wind. 349 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:40,725 Now, just hear me out. Wait a minute. Hold it a second. 350 00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:42,960 - I think that, one... - Bodyguards. 351 00:22:42,962 --> 00:22:44,395 Hold it. 352 00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:47,365 I think that you're the damnedest showman that ever lived, 353 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:48,766 - and you ain't kidding anybody. - People... 354 00:22:48,768 --> 00:22:52,103 Will you let me finish and shut your mouth for one minute. 355 00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:57,708 Cassius, Sonny Liston said that you should be arrested for impersonating a fighter. 356 00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:01,712 He said you should be turned over his knee and spanked. 357 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,783 The odds were 7-to-1. It's very big odds... 358 00:23:05,785 --> 00:23:08,018 for a heavyweight championship fight. 359 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:11,689 I'm just ready to fight. And I'm glad it'll be here... 360 00:23:11,691 --> 00:23:14,058 where all these bigmouth people here in Miami... 361 00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:16,694 talking about I talk too much and Liston's gonna whup me. 362 00:23:16,696 --> 00:23:20,698 Well, I want all of them to be there. And I'm gonna shut up all of you's mouths. 363 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:25,035 The challenger from Louisville, Kentucky... 364 00:23:25,037 --> 00:23:27,037 Cassius Clay. 365 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,975 - Clay. - Cassius Marcellus Clay, 22 years of age. 366 00:23:30,977 --> 00:23:33,010 Going for all the marbles in the boxing business. 367 00:23:33,012 --> 00:23:37,214 In my opinion, fights are always won with fists and not with mouth talk. 368 00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:38,916 I pick Liston to win by the fifth round. 369 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:42,086 - It has to be Liston. - Liston is a much bigger puncher. 370 00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:44,889 - The fifth round. - Oh, I think in the third. 371 00:23:44,891 --> 00:23:48,492 I'm not quite sure that anything human can hurt Sonny Liston. 372 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,670 Cassius Clay on the move as we see. 373 00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:03,674 The right hand! The best punch of the fight so far! 374 00:24:03,676 --> 00:24:06,710 It was not a heavyweight championship fight physically. 375 00:24:06,711 --> 00:24:07,412 There was more to it than that. 376 00:24:07,413 --> 00:24:11,816 I looked at all of the historic things that were taking place on this earth, 377 00:24:11,818 --> 00:24:16,821 and to me, time itself was on Cassius's side. 378 00:24:17,923 --> 00:24:23,060 - - Seconds remaining in the sixth. 379 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,332 The crowd now cheering the challenger. 380 00:24:28,334 --> 00:24:31,769 What do you think is going on in Sonny's mind at this point? 381 00:24:31,771 --> 00:24:33,571 Well, I think Sonny's beginning to worry now. 382 00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:35,673 - At least his corner's beginning to worry. 383 00:24:35,675 --> 00:24:41,178 They might be stopping it. That might be all, ladies and gentlemen. 384 00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:44,081 It's a technical knockout. 385 00:24:47,052 --> 00:24:49,954 Okay, get Cassius Clay... Wait! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! 386 00:24:49,956 --> 00:24:52,823 At the black Muslims convention in Chicago, 387 00:24:52,825 --> 00:24:57,795 Elijah Muhammad came closer than anyone so far in proclaiming Clay a member. 388 00:24:57,797 --> 00:25:00,297 Clay has hinted that he is at least on the fringe. 389 00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:03,767 Elijah Muhammad all but pushed him across. 390 00:25:03,769 --> 00:25:05,736 The enemy wanted him 391 00:25:05,738 --> 00:25:09,273 to come out all blasted. 392 00:25:09,975 --> 00:25:12,343 They had said the he would 393 00:25:12,345 --> 00:25:15,412 Liston would tear up that pretty face of yours. 394 00:25:19,084 --> 00:25:22,486 But Allah and myself said, "No, no" 395 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:28,192 God's with me! Can't nobody be against me! 396 00:25:28,194 --> 00:25:29,593 I shook up the world! 397 00:25:29,595 --> 00:25:32,496 I know God! I know the real God! 398 00:25:32,498 --> 00:25:35,399 You must listen to me! 399 00:25:36,902 --> 00:25:39,270 You tell it, boy. 400 00:25:39,272 --> 00:25:43,340 The morning after, he was very subdued. 401 00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:46,076 I don't have to talk no more. I done proved my point. 402 00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:50,047 All I have to do is just be a nice, clean gentleman. That's all. 403 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:52,350 Nice, clean gentleman. 404 00:25:52,351 --> 00:25:58,055 At that moment, all the older reporters walked away. 405 00:25:58,057 --> 00:25:59,924 And then one young reporter said, 406 00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:04,562 "What about the rumor that you're a card-carrying Muslim?" 407 00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:08,165 And he... What... You know, what does that mean? 408 00:26:08,167 --> 00:26:10,134 I like everybody. 409 00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:11,936 I treat everybody right. 410 00:26:11,937 --> 00:26:12,604 "What about segregation? 411 00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:17,541 Don't you want to be part of the civil rights struggle? Integration?" He said, "No." 412 00:26:17,543 --> 00:26:20,911 I don't have to be what you want me to be. 413 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:24,181 I'm free to be what I want to be and think what I want to think. 414 00:26:24,183 --> 00:26:27,451 That was kind of his Declaration of Independence. 415 00:26:27,453 --> 00:26:31,288 This is complete freedom, not just a cup of coffee or a seat in a school... 416 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:34,058 or a token... This is real. 417 00:26:36,027 --> 00:26:41,031 The Honorable Elijah Muhammad say he was too big of a man to carry that "X"... 418 00:26:41,033 --> 00:26:44,101 and named him Muhammad Ali. 419 00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:47,204 I remember the exact moment we told my dad and mom. 420 00:26:47,206 --> 00:26:51,909 We said, "The Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave us our name" 421 00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:53,277 They became very angry. 422 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,045 They said, "What in the world do you mean?" 423 00:26:55,047 --> 00:27:01,051 My brother said, "Dad, I'm Muhammad Ali." You got to accept it. 424 00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:01,920 What does it mean? 425 00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:07,124 "Muhammad" means "worthy of all praises" and "Ali" means "most high." 426 00:27:08,026 --> 00:27:12,262 At theNew York Times, the top editor felt... 427 00:27:12,264 --> 00:27:13,330 we met you as Cassius Clay. 428 00:27:13,332 --> 00:27:19,403 Until you go into a court of law and change your name, you are Cassius Clay. 429 00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:21,105 And it really kind of bothered me. 430 00:27:21,107 --> 00:27:24,875 Nobody asked John Wayne or Rock Hudson what their names were. 431 00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:27,444 But I tried to slip it in when I could. 432 00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:33,217 I usually ended up writing "Muhammad Ali, a.k.a. Cassius Clay." 433 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:36,353 His change of name, what did it threaten? 434 00:27:36,355 --> 00:27:40,357 If he was white, they would be referring to him as the All-American boy. 435 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,526 It was an affront to many Americans... 436 00:27:42,528 --> 00:27:44,428 that the heavyweight champion of the world... 437 00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:47,898 would reject American identity and all of that entails... 438 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:52,102 for something as obscure and cultish as the Nation of Islam. 439 00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:55,039 - Cassius, you're... - I'm not Cassius. You still calling me... 440 00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:58,509 - Or Muhammad, you're talking... - I'm not no white man. 441 00:27:58,511 --> 00:28:02,046 So you want to keep calling me a white man's name. I'm not white. 442 00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:04,682 I don't want to be called after your name no more. 443 00:28:04,684 --> 00:28:08,285 I'm not no slave. I'm Muhammad Ali. 444 00:28:13,258 --> 00:28:15,626 I was working in the bakery... 445 00:28:15,628 --> 00:28:19,296 and he would go in and he would say, 446 00:28:19,298 --> 00:28:23,600 "I know your name. I know your name." 447 00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:28,972 And I'd say, "Well, whoop-de-do." I says that. 448 00:28:28,974 --> 00:28:35,512 He says, "And I got a name of culture now. My name is Muhammad Ali." 449 00:28:39,985 --> 00:28:43,153 Now that he gave me the beautiful name of Muhammad Ali... 450 00:28:43,155 --> 00:28:45,989 and took away that slave name of Cassius Clay, 451 00:28:45,991 --> 00:28:47,624 now I can go all over the world. 452 00:28:47,626 --> 00:28:51,662 All over the world! 453 00:28:52,263 --> 00:28:56,934 Muslims all over the world who never followed boxing said, 454 00:28:56,936 --> 00:28:58,402 "Ooh! Look. 455 00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:05,042 There's a Muslim in America named Muhammad Ali. 456 00:29:05,044 --> 00:29:10,214 Those are big, big names in the Islamic world. 457 00:29:10,715 --> 00:29:15,052 His international appeal, it was vast. 458 00:29:15,053 --> 00:29:15,520 Welcome. 459 00:29:15,521 --> 00:29:18,522 The young people of Ghana want to welcome you. 460 00:29:18,524 --> 00:29:21,625 Ghana, Nigeria, Pakistan and Turkey, 461 00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:25,062 they call me their champion too. 462 00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:28,398 I was surprised. The whole world was watching it. 463 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,001 - They sure were. - Yeah. 464 00:29:43,915 --> 00:29:46,150 What kind of impression do you try to leave... 465 00:29:46,152 --> 00:29:47,684 on the nations you visit over there? 466 00:29:47,686 --> 00:29:53,090 Well, uh, just as a clean-living Muslim. 467 00:29:53,092 --> 00:29:57,227 Letting them know they have hundreds and thousands of brothers here in America. 468 00:29:57,229 --> 00:29:59,797 All of these are Muslim countries that I've been to. 469 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:01,698 He's in a better position than anyone else... 470 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:06,336 to restore the racial pride to not only our people in this country, 471 00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:07,571 but all over the world. 472 00:30:07,573 --> 00:30:11,241 As-salaam alaikum. 473 00:30:11,243 --> 00:30:14,244 I've been all over into the deepest parts of Africa... 474 00:30:14,246 --> 00:30:20,150 and Egypt, and everybody knows and are talking about the Muslims in America. 475 00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:22,686 Everybody. 476 00:30:23,121 --> 00:30:27,658 And if it was not for the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad... 477 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:30,093 not bragging, but a man in my position... 478 00:30:30,095 --> 00:30:33,230 that would be the last place I would go is Africa and Egypt. 479 00:30:33,232 --> 00:30:38,569 The first stop would have been Paris, London, France, like the rest of them. 480 00:30:46,644 --> 00:30:51,348 He hired Elijah Muhammad's son to be his "manager." 481 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:57,154 But it was very clear that he didn't really mean manager like the Louisville Sponsoring Group. 482 00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,755 How many managers do you have? 483 00:30:58,757 --> 00:31:03,093 Oh, I have 11 backers. I don't... I have one manager. 484 00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:04,194 They flattered him. 485 00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:10,200 They treated him as a very important person, which, of course, he was. 486 00:31:10,202 --> 00:31:12,336 They made him a hero. 487 00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:13,570 He didn't live in Louisville anymore. 488 00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:18,475 But he was never introduced as anything except from Louisville, Kentucky. 489 00:31:18,477 --> 00:31:23,347 To a boxer, that's not a small thing, how you're announced. 490 00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:29,086 Ali kept his word on every fight that we made for him. 491 00:31:29,088 --> 00:31:35,926 And he never argued about black or white problems with us. 492 00:31:35,928 --> 00:31:38,161 I think Ali probably told the Muslims 493 00:31:38,163 --> 00:31:42,065 don't mess with the Louisville Sponsoring Group. 494 00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:44,434 Leave them alone. 495 00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:49,806 I understand that you're headed to meet with Elijah Muhammad. 496 00:31:49,808 --> 00:31:52,609 - Yes, sir. Having dinner with him. - Uh-huh. 497 00:31:52,611 --> 00:31:55,846 One of the main reasons is your friendship with Malcolm X. 498 00:31:55,848 --> 00:31:59,483 - He's a friend of yours now, isn't he? - Yeah. He is a brother of mine. 499 00:31:59,485 --> 00:32:02,519 - He's my brother. Whatever he do, he's my brother. - Uh-huh. 500 00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:03,620 Now that he's split away from the... 501 00:32:03,622 --> 00:32:07,758 I don't know about splitting. I'll have to see the higher authority on that. 502 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,793 There's been great publicity given to the fact... 503 00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:13,330 that heavyweight champion Cassius Clay is one of your followers. 504 00:32:13,332 --> 00:32:15,632 Well, Cassius is following Elijah Muhammad. 505 00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:21,838 And, uh, I'm no longer a follower of Elijah Muhammad myself. 506 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,907 And I think that the black Muslim movement, 507 00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:27,711 if it doesn't adopt the Sunni practice of Islam, 508 00:32:27,713 --> 00:32:30,614 that it will disintegrate and fall apart. 509 00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:33,517 There's no organization in this country... 510 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,954 that could do more for the struggling black man... 511 00:32:36,956 --> 00:32:40,757 than the black Muslim movement if it wanted to. 512 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,560 But it has gotten into the possession... 513 00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,429 of a man who's become senile, 514 00:32:45,431 --> 00:32:48,732 and then he has surrounded himself by his children... 515 00:32:48,734 --> 00:32:52,369 who are now in power and want nothing but luxury... 516 00:32:52,371 --> 00:32:55,472 and will do anything to safeguard their own interests. 517 00:32:55,474 --> 00:33:02,474 People like myself and Ali, we were in the valley of decision. 518 00:33:02,715 --> 00:33:06,717 Should I follow a man that taught me... 519 00:33:06,719 --> 00:33:11,788 or should I follow the teacher of the man who taught me? 520 00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:14,691 Elijah Muhammad called all of his officials... 521 00:33:14,693 --> 00:33:17,594 national officials to Chicago in October... 522 00:33:17,596 --> 00:33:23,367 and ordered them to kill or maim any of his followers... 523 00:33:23,369 --> 00:33:25,736 who leave him to follow me. 524 00:33:25,738 --> 00:33:28,005 Does this split disturb you that's been reported? 525 00:33:28,007 --> 00:33:32,175 No. What Malcolm X does is his business. He's one man. 526 00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:37,881 Muhammad Ali chose to go with the establishment, so to speak. 527 00:33:37,883 --> 00:33:42,819 Elijah Muhammad has given his blessing to a new recruiter... 528 00:33:42,821 --> 00:33:45,355 Cassius Muhammad Ali Clay. 529 00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:48,592 We are the greatest! 530 00:33:48,594 --> 00:33:50,494 Clay is no Malcolm X, 531 00:33:50,496 --> 00:33:54,531 but he has become an idol for youngsters. 532 00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:57,300 A lot of Malcolmites who were following Malcolm... 533 00:33:57,302 --> 00:34:00,604 were really not equally attracted to the Nation of Islam. 534 00:34:00,606 --> 00:34:04,307 They were attracted to Malcolm's audacity, his eloquence... 535 00:34:04,309 --> 00:34:08,779 and his vision, which, in some ways, elaborated the vision of the Nation of Islam. 536 00:34:08,781 --> 00:34:13,850 I pray that God will bless you in everything that you do. 537 00:34:14,352 --> 00:34:17,888 I pray that you will grow intellectually... 538 00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:20,690 so that you can understand the problems of the world... 539 00:34:20,692 --> 00:34:24,928 and where you fit into in that world picture. 540 00:34:34,073 --> 00:34:36,940 He's a hero to me. He stood out among all black people. 541 00:34:36,942 --> 00:34:38,442 He showed the white man where it was at. 542 00:34:38,444 --> 00:34:40,710 Who do you believe is responsible for Malcolm X's death? 543 00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:41,912 The white power structure is America is behind it. 544 00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:46,950 And they're quick to capitalize on it by saying that one of his own kind did it. 545 00:34:46,952 --> 00:34:49,586 But they put it up to be done. 546 00:34:54,725 --> 00:34:59,863 Now, I give him credit for the good work he done when he was with the Nation of Islam. 547 00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:02,365 We didn't have nobody better. 548 00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,203 But Elijah Muhammad made him. 549 00:35:06,471 --> 00:35:07,737 When Malcolm was a good man... 550 00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:10,740 preaching the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, 551 00:35:10,742 --> 00:35:13,477 I would have gave my life for him. 552 00:35:13,479 --> 00:35:15,579 But when he turned viciously... 553 00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:17,747 against the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, 554 00:35:17,749 --> 00:35:21,618 if I could have got ahold of him, I might have killed him myself. 555 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,553 But we didn't kill him. 'Cause you know why? 556 00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:25,989 Because we took orders from the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. 557 00:35:25,991 --> 00:35:28,758 He told us not to touch him. Let him just go. 558 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,029 Malcolm is the victim of his own preaching. 559 00:35:33,031 --> 00:35:35,765 He preached violence, and so he become the victim of it. 560 00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:39,636 So many things have been said wrong about Malcolm X. 561 00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:44,474 Malcolm X was a very nice person. 562 00:35:44,542 --> 00:35:48,812 The Bible says "He without sin cast the first stone." 563 00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,580 That's a strong statement. 564 00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:56,686 The night that Malcolm X was killed, 565 00:35:56,688 --> 00:36:01,391 there was a fire in Ali's apartment. 566 00:36:02,026 --> 00:36:05,829 The implication was that it was arson. 567 00:36:06,464 --> 00:36:09,666 That it was some sort of revenge. 568 00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:10,934 Uh, I don't know. 569 00:36:10,936 --> 00:36:16,940 I think there's no question that Ali had to have been scared himself. 570 00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:18,909 Malcolm, in many ways, 571 00:36:18,911 --> 00:36:23,146 was a more important political figure than Muhammad Ali. 572 00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:29,553 I mean, if you could waste him, you could certainly waste Ali. 573 00:36:29,555 --> 00:36:31,888 He was still just a boxer. 574 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:37,127 I feel for his life because the condition the world is in today. 575 00:36:37,129 --> 00:36:40,163 And, uh, you never know what's going to happen... 576 00:36:40,165 --> 00:36:42,165 when you're in public life like he is. 577 00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:47,137 And I'm much concerned about the fire that started in his apartment. 578 00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:50,907 And I do wish that he would withdraw from this movement... 579 00:36:50,909 --> 00:36:54,010 because I am awful worried about him. 580 00:36:54,012 --> 00:36:56,046 We raised him to be a Christian... 581 00:36:56,048 --> 00:36:59,883 and took him to church every Sunday when he was small... 582 00:36:59,885 --> 00:37:04,187 on up till he got out, you know, in the world on his own. 583 00:37:04,189 --> 00:37:08,225 And then he got in this organization which we do not approve of at all. 584 00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:11,661 Your mother was quoted yesterday in Louisville as saying... 585 00:37:11,663 --> 00:37:13,096 that she felt you ought to leave the Muslim movement. 586 00:37:13,098 --> 00:37:16,499 - How do you feel about... - It's natural for a mother to be worried about her son... 587 00:37:16,501 --> 00:37:20,537 with the press writing all of these things about somebody's life's in danger. 588 00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:21,871 You know how the press can blow things up... 589 00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:25,275 and make it look like we in a war with some black people. 590 00:37:25,277 --> 00:37:27,744 We not at war with nobody. 591 00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:30,513 And I'm walking the streets daily by myself. 592 00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:34,217 And, uh, if anybody want me, they can find me. 593 00:37:34,219 --> 00:37:38,121 Malcolm X and anybody else who attacks, uh... 594 00:37:38,123 --> 00:37:41,258 talks about attacking Elijah Muhammad will die. 595 00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:48,260 No man can oppose the message of Almighty God, uh, verbally or physically... 596 00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:50,700 and get away with it. 597 00:37:58,709 --> 00:38:05,282 Floyd Patterson didn't think that there should be a Muslim heavyweight champion. 598 00:38:05,284 --> 00:38:10,020 Refused to call Ali by his new name. 599 00:38:10,022 --> 00:38:12,922 Cassius Clay doesn't fully understand... 600 00:38:12,924 --> 00:38:16,126 what the black Muslim stands for. 601 00:38:16,994 --> 00:38:19,029 It's like the Ku Klux Klan. 602 00:38:19,031 --> 00:38:23,566 I think that hurts the championship quite a bit. 603 00:38:26,871 --> 00:38:29,005 Oh, I'm gonna have to give him a good whipping. 604 00:38:29,007 --> 00:38:35,712 And I have entitled it "A Floyd Patterson Humiliation Punishment." 605 00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:47,190 Floyd was kind of a hero to us at one point. 606 00:38:47,192 --> 00:38:50,960 You know, a black heavyweight champion is always a big hit in the black community. 607 00:38:50,962 --> 00:38:54,964 But when he came up against Muhammad Ali, 608 00:38:54,966 --> 00:38:57,267 he was fighting the fight of America... 609 00:38:57,269 --> 00:39:00,737 doing the job of slaying the militant Negro. 610 00:39:00,739 --> 00:39:02,906 I was at the Floyd Patterson fight. 611 00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:07,177 The man was bent over like somebody with osteoporosis. 612 00:39:07,179 --> 00:39:12,649 He couldn't really defend himself. The fight should have been stopped. 613 00:39:12,651 --> 00:39:16,720 One or two good combinations and he'd be gone. 614 00:39:16,722 --> 00:39:22,058 I think he carried Floyd Patterson just so that he could inflict the punishment. 615 00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:26,763 The champion continues to be on target. 616 00:39:27,498 --> 00:39:29,733 It was disgusting. 617 00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:33,169 Muhammad Ali had prolonged the punishment... 618 00:39:33,171 --> 00:39:36,172 to make sure Patterson understood his offense. 619 00:39:36,174 --> 00:39:39,809 It perfectly harmonized with our feelings about Floyd Patterson. 620 00:39:39,811 --> 00:39:43,113 So Muhammad Ali became even more heroic. 621 00:39:44,816 --> 00:39:48,351 It was a truly terrible moment in boxing, 622 00:39:48,353 --> 00:39:51,988 as was the way he took apart Ernie Terrell. 623 00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:53,289 I don't usually make predictions, 624 00:39:53,291 --> 00:39:56,860 but I see Clay with such limited ability... 625 00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:58,395 that I'm predicting that I will knock him out. 626 00:39:58,397 --> 00:40:04,067 My name is Muhammad Ali, and you will announce it right there in the center of that ring... 627 00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:06,169 after the fight if you don't do it now. 628 00:40:06,171 --> 00:40:10,173 You are acting just like an old Uncle Tom. 629 00:40:10,175 --> 00:40:13,343 In this age of beatification of Muhammad Ali, 630 00:40:13,345 --> 00:40:17,280 we forget just how great a fighter he was. 631 00:40:17,282 --> 00:40:23,953 And I don't think it's possible to be a great fighter unless you have a mean streak. 632 00:40:23,954 --> 00:40:24,889 He had it. 633 00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:28,291 Ali continues to scream at Terrell. 634 00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:30,326 He beat the hell out of those 635 00:40:30,328 --> 00:40:32,762 who didn't want to use his name. 636 00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:37,400 "My name is Muhammad Ali. What's my name?" Bam, bam, bam. 637 00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:42,071 - - And that's the bell. 638 00:40:42,073 --> 00:40:43,907 Ali continues his taunts. 639 00:40:43,909 --> 00:40:47,243 Ali was exemplifying a freedom... 640 00:40:47,245 --> 00:40:50,880 that most black people did not enjoy. 641 00:40:53,351 --> 00:40:59,422 So that made him loved by some and hated by others. 642 00:40:59,424 --> 00:41:03,359 There's a rule in boxing. They say this fella has a killer instinct... 643 00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:04,961 or he don't have a killer instinct. 644 00:41:04,963 --> 00:41:10,066 But I call it aggressive... aggressive instinct. 645 00:41:10,068 --> 00:41:12,168 Uh, we're not out to kill nobody. 646 00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:19,170 I don't know if my conscience would let me live if I even killed someone. 647 00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:30,220 This is really war. 648 00:41:30,287 --> 00:41:32,922 It is guided by North Vietnam. 649 00:41:32,924 --> 00:41:37,894 Its goal is to defeat American power. 650 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,899 Muhammad Ali gets a phone call. 651 00:41:42,901 --> 00:41:46,870 And he runs in, answers the phone, 652 00:41:46,872 --> 00:41:49,472 comes back and he is wild. 653 00:41:49,474 --> 00:41:56,179 And he tells me that he had just been reclassified 1-A. 654 00:41:57,414 --> 00:41:59,315 And another thing I don't understand... 655 00:41:59,317 --> 00:42:05,722 is why me, a man who pays the salary of at least 50,000 men in Vietnam, 656 00:42:05,724 --> 00:42:10,894 a man who the government takes six million dollars from a year out in two fights, 657 00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:16,266 a man who can pay, in two fights, for three bomber planes, 658 00:42:16,268 --> 00:42:19,536 why would you take and seek out and be anxious... 659 00:42:19,538 --> 00:42:22,872 to call me out of 30 men who you could have called? 660 00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:24,507 And I'm fighting for the government every day. 661 00:42:24,509 --> 00:42:28,511 In other words, you think they called you only because you're the heavyweight champion... 662 00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:32,248 And a Muslim too. Ever since I've joined the Muslim religion, 663 00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:33,449 I've been catching hell from here... 664 00:42:33,451 --> 00:42:36,853 Somebody said, "So, you could be drafted... 665 00:42:36,855 --> 00:42:40,790 and you're gonna go in the army and you're gonna go to Vietnam... 666 00:42:40,792 --> 00:42:42,458 and you're gonna be on the front lines... 667 00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:44,093 and you're gonna have to kill Vietcong. 668 00:42:44,095 --> 00:42:46,162 I mean, how do you feel about all of this?" 669 00:42:46,164 --> 00:42:50,433 And he said, "I ain't got nothing against them Vietcong." 670 00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:57,373 I mean, that... that was carved in the stone facade of history. 671 00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:59,309 And then later on, 672 00:42:59,311 --> 00:43:00,410 it was embellished... 673 00:43:00,412 --> 00:43:03,479 "I ain't got no quarrel with them Vietcong." 674 00:43:03,481 --> 00:43:07,083 "No Vietcong ever called me nigger." 675 00:43:07,217 --> 00:43:11,588 I'm asking you if you apologize for the unpatriotic remarks that you made. 676 00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:14,624 I'm not apologizing for nothing like that because I don't have to. 677 00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:19,529 I'm just apologizing for what I said to the newspapers and to the press. 678 00:43:19,531 --> 00:43:24,233 - Mr. Clay... - Muhammad Ali, sir. 679 00:43:24,235 --> 00:43:27,971 - Or Mr. Muhammad Ali, either one. - Yes, sir. Just Muhammad Ali. 680 00:43:27,973 --> 00:43:31,040 When you appeared before this commission before, 681 00:43:31,042 --> 00:43:32,208 if I recall correctly, 682 00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:35,878 - you said you were the people's champion? - Yes, sir. 683 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,849 Do you think that you're acting like a people's champion? 684 00:43:39,851 --> 00:43:42,051 Yes, sir. 685 00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:52,095 Members of the group went to various reserve units, uh, in the community... 686 00:43:52,097 --> 00:43:58,001 to see whether or not they would take him in in the National Guard... 687 00:43:58,003 --> 00:44:01,337 or the Navy Reserve or whatever. 688 00:44:01,339 --> 00:44:02,905 They all said they would. 689 00:44:02,907 --> 00:44:07,043 We felt that he would be a Joe Louis. 690 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:10,113 Joe Louis served and never carried a gun. 691 00:44:10,115 --> 00:44:12,448 But he boxed, wore the uniform... 692 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:15,985 and did a fine service to his country. 693 00:44:20,257 --> 00:44:23,292 I got a call and Ali said, 694 00:44:23,294 --> 00:44:28,231 "If I went to war, I would probably be in one of them boxing things like Joe Louis. 695 00:44:28,233 --> 00:44:30,400 I wouldn't be really fighting in the war." 696 00:44:30,402 --> 00:44:32,235 I says, "That's not the point. 697 00:44:32,237 --> 00:44:38,107 You have to understand that once you sign your name to that army, 698 00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:42,645 then you are their slave forever. 699 00:44:42,647 --> 00:44:44,080 Okay? 700 00:44:44,082 --> 00:44:47,150 So just say hell no, you ain't gonna go. 701 00:44:47,152 --> 00:44:50,119 Rhyme it. Do what you do best. 702 00:44:50,121 --> 00:44:54,357 Those people over there in Vietnam did not lynch you, 703 00:44:54,359 --> 00:44:57,226 did not break up your family. 704 00:44:57,228 --> 00:45:01,030 Those Vietnamese people are your brothers. 705 00:45:01,032 --> 00:45:04,033 This was a wrongful war. 706 00:45:04,035 --> 00:45:06,602 War is wrong. Period. 707 00:45:11,241 --> 00:45:14,977 War is made from the devil." 708 00:45:21,285 --> 00:45:25,321 I was sitting in my office in Louisville and the phone rang... 709 00:45:25,322 --> 00:45:26,256 and it was Angelo Dundee. 710 00:45:26,257 --> 00:45:32,528 And he said the champ is gonna announce he's gonna be a conscientious objector, 711 00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:36,065 and he's not gonna take that step forward. 712 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,068 And I said, "Oh." 713 00:45:39,070 --> 00:45:42,472 I said, uh, "I'll be right up there." 714 00:45:44,975 --> 00:45:50,113 The conscientious objector thing was a complete shock. 715 00:45:52,616 --> 00:45:55,318 A conscientious objector, as a matter of law, 716 00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:02,320 was that if you believed that you should not kill somebody or carry a weapon... 717 00:46:02,627 --> 00:46:07,663 or participate in an activity which would result in death, 718 00:46:07,665 --> 00:46:11,234 that you did not have to serve. 719 00:46:11,236 --> 00:46:13,569 I personally told him... 720 00:46:13,571 --> 00:46:18,374 that this was gonna cost him millions of dollars. 721 00:46:18,376 --> 00:46:20,476 And then I went over, chapter and verse, 722 00:46:20,478 --> 00:46:24,180 the contracts that were on my desk to be signed... 723 00:46:24,182 --> 00:46:28,084 would not be offered to him again. 724 00:46:28,185 --> 00:46:31,154 If he had not become Muhammad Ali, 725 00:46:31,156 --> 00:46:32,455 he'd have been Cassius Clay, 726 00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:34,557 and he would have went into that army. 727 00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:36,125 'Cause he asked me straight up. 728 00:46:36,127 --> 00:46:39,195 He said, "What would you do if you was in my shoes?" 729 00:46:39,197 --> 00:46:40,630 I said, "I'd do what Elijah Muhammad done." 730 00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:43,666 He said, "What would he did?" I said, "He went to jail." 731 00:46:43,668 --> 00:46:48,404 Elijah Muhammad went to prison for five years. 732 00:46:48,406 --> 00:46:52,074 For sedition and draft dodging, 733 00:46:52,076 --> 00:46:54,110 they called it. 734 00:46:54,112 --> 00:46:57,213 He set the standard. 735 00:46:57,948 --> 00:46:59,415 The contract with the 736 00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:02,451 Louisville Sponsoring Group was expiring. 737 00:47:02,453 --> 00:47:04,754 The group... they were disappointed, 738 00:47:04,756 --> 00:47:08,224 and one or two didn't want to be affiliated with... 739 00:47:08,226 --> 00:47:13,262 It was more of the draft business than it was the Muslim business. 740 00:47:13,264 --> 00:47:15,731 Although that was part of it. 741 00:47:15,733 --> 00:47:20,736 He called all members to say thanks and shake hands, 742 00:47:20,738 --> 00:47:24,607 and au revoir. 743 00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:37,687 And I will say here boldly now on television... 744 00:47:37,689 --> 00:47:38,689 no. 745 00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:43,159 I will not go 10,000 miles from here... 746 00:47:43,161 --> 00:47:48,197 to help murder and kill another poor people... 747 00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:52,468 simply to continue the domination... 748 00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:59,242 of white slave masters over the darker people of the earth. 749 00:47:59,409 --> 00:48:03,179 You fight when you have something to fight for. 750 00:48:03,181 --> 00:48:04,413 But what are we fighting for? 751 00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:09,418 To tell me that I'm fighting for America... 752 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:11,821 and her way of life. 753 00:48:11,823 --> 00:48:14,957 What is her way of life? 754 00:48:15,492 --> 00:48:17,827 To come back home to injustice... 755 00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:21,564 with all these medals on our chest? 756 00:48:21,565 --> 00:48:22,432 Hell, no. 757 00:48:22,433 --> 00:48:25,902 Mr. Muhammad Ali has just refused to be inducted... 758 00:48:25,904 --> 00:48:27,737 into the United States Armed Forces. 759 00:48:27,739 --> 00:48:32,441 Notification of his refusal is being made to the United States Attorney... 760 00:48:32,443 --> 00:48:34,477 and the local Selective Service Board... 761 00:48:34,479 --> 00:48:36,412 for whatever action deem to be appropriate. 762 00:48:36,414 --> 00:48:42,385 And so it is all over for the heavyweight champion of the world, Muhammad Ali. 763 00:48:42,387 --> 00:48:44,887 What happens now to his title? 764 00:48:44,889 --> 00:48:46,522 He will doubtless be stripped of it... 765 00:48:46,524 --> 00:48:49,292 by every state boxing commission in this country... 766 00:48:49,294 --> 00:48:50,927 and by the World Boxing Association. 767 00:48:50,929 --> 00:48:53,496 All type of moves have been made against me... 768 00:48:53,498 --> 00:48:55,898 that's never been made before in the history of boxing. 769 00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:00,503 Regardless of the ultimate disposition of his case legally, 770 00:49:00,505 --> 00:49:04,173 he will no longer be the champion. 771 00:49:09,313 --> 00:49:14,884 Well, now that they've taken Cassius Clay's title away, do you think they should have? 772 00:49:14,886 --> 00:49:17,687 Well, I don't know. I think they should, yes. 773 00:49:17,689 --> 00:49:20,623 I think that any man who don't wanna fight for his country, 774 00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:23,526 I don't think he should have the honor of being champion. 775 00:49:23,527 --> 00:49:24,294 The tragedy to me is... 776 00:49:24,295 --> 00:49:29,532 that Cassius has made millions of dollars off of the American public. 777 00:49:29,534 --> 00:49:33,502 And now he's not willing to show his appreciation. 778 00:49:33,504 --> 00:49:35,071 Hurts the morale of a lot of 779 00:49:35,073 --> 00:49:37,473 young Negro soldiers over in Vietnam. 780 00:49:37,475 --> 00:49:38,841 You won't fight for your country? 781 00:49:38,843 --> 00:49:41,610 - You refuse to go into the... - I'm a minister. My religion. 782 00:49:41,612 --> 00:49:42,845 This country has laws for ministers. 783 00:49:42,847 --> 00:49:44,747 - Are you an ordained minister? - By my leader. 784 00:49:44,749 --> 00:49:49,885 The Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Almighty God Allah fights battles for us. 785 00:49:49,887 --> 00:49:52,822 We are forbidden to carry anything like a weapon. 786 00:49:52,824 --> 00:49:54,690 We are peaceful people. 787 00:49:54,692 --> 00:49:56,459 Do you think there's anything wrong... 788 00:49:56,461 --> 00:50:00,896 in someone like Cassius Clay, Muhammad Ali, in refusing induction? 789 00:50:00,898 --> 00:50:01,898 Yes, sir, I certainly do. 790 00:50:01,899 --> 00:50:04,000 - Why? - 'Cause he's no better than the rest of us. 791 00:50:04,002 --> 00:50:06,302 I got a wife and three kids I'd like to stay here with, 792 00:50:06,304 --> 00:50:07,603 but if they need me, I reckon I'll go. 793 00:50:07,605 --> 00:50:10,439 Simply because Muhammad Ali has these beliefs, 794 00:50:10,441 --> 00:50:14,110 there's no reason why people should go against him. 795 00:50:20,083 --> 00:50:22,485 It took an all-white jury less than a half hour... 796 00:50:22,487 --> 00:50:26,889 to find Muhammad Ali guilty of all charges and specifications. 797 00:50:26,891 --> 00:50:30,826 He was sentenced to the maximum five years in prison... 798 00:50:30,828 --> 00:50:33,696 and was fined $10,000. 799 00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:38,401 To have a heavyweight champion refuse to be inducted, 800 00:50:38,403 --> 00:50:39,502 that was almost blasphemous. 801 00:50:39,504 --> 00:50:44,373 This would mean, of course, that you stand the chance of going to jail... 802 00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,609 as a result of not going into service. 803 00:50:46,611 --> 00:50:47,910 Well, whatever the punishment, 804 00:50:47,912 --> 00:50:52,281 whatever the persecution is for standing up for my religious beliefs, 805 00:50:52,283 --> 00:50:54,884 even if it mean facing machine gun fire that day, 806 00:50:54,886 --> 00:51:00,689 I will face it before denouncing Elijah Muhammad and the religion of Islam. 807 00:51:00,691 --> 00:51:01,991 I'm ready to die. 808 00:51:01,993 --> 00:51:06,896 I was happy that this black man, he actually stood up... 809 00:51:06,898 --> 00:51:09,365 and did what a Muslim would do. 810 00:51:09,367 --> 00:51:12,568 And that took a lot of balls. 811 00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:16,739 And he would come into my... 812 00:51:16,741 --> 00:51:21,544 He would try to, you know... try to get to me, but he couldn't. 813 00:51:21,546 --> 00:51:24,580 And he would be trying to look for me. 814 00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:27,349 But by us having all the white unis on, 815 00:51:27,351 --> 00:51:30,386 he had to try to look at your face because he couldn't tell. 816 00:51:30,388 --> 00:51:32,621 So he would always eye at me in the mosque... 817 00:51:32,623 --> 00:51:36,892 and keep his eyes and all that... you know, flirting like. 818 00:51:36,894 --> 00:51:39,929 I knew he was mine. He was mine then. 819 00:51:39,931 --> 00:51:42,932 When I find out that's who he was gonna marry, 820 00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:43,567 I jumped for joy. 821 00:51:43,568 --> 00:51:47,770 It was a big blessing to him. She was a virgin. 822 00:51:47,772 --> 00:51:49,672 To marry a virgin... 823 00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:55,411 I said, "Boy, you hit the jackpot." That's what I told him. 824 00:51:55,413 --> 00:51:56,512 And she was young and pretty. 825 00:51:56,514 --> 00:52:03,085 Khalilah... one of a kind. She's the female Muhammad Ali. 826 00:52:03,087 --> 00:52:05,121 Sweet, kind, good lady. 827 00:52:05,123 --> 00:52:09,358 He loved the fact that I stuck with him when he didn't have anything. 828 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,827 I tried to keep everything positive... 829 00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:14,530 and started a family, and that was a good thing. 830 00:52:14,532 --> 00:52:16,932 I'm not having no trouble out of you. 831 00:52:16,934 --> 00:52:18,601 There ain't but one big mouth in this family. 832 00:52:18,603 --> 00:52:20,803 I said, "Brother, let me tell you something. 833 00:52:20,805 --> 00:52:26,442 If you keep your body in shape and keep your mind clear, you will win this fight." 834 00:52:26,444 --> 00:52:30,179 The government fight has cost nearly some $200,000... 835 00:52:30,181 --> 00:52:34,016 plus my living expenses... my mother, my father, my brother, my wife, my children. 836 00:52:34,018 --> 00:52:38,154 Boxing commissions around the country wouldn't sanction his fights. 837 00:52:38,156 --> 00:52:42,558 I'm just about broke. I'm not allowed to work here now in America. 838 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,693 I'm not allowed to leave America. 839 00:52:44,695 --> 00:52:47,463 Is there any chance of you boxing? 840 00:52:47,465 --> 00:52:48,964 I really don't know. 841 00:52:48,966 --> 00:52:50,833 One day we might. I'm not too sure. 842 00:52:50,835 --> 00:52:54,803 I tried to get him back into the ring... 843 00:52:54,805 --> 00:53:00,075 and get governors to allow him to fight in their state. 844 00:53:00,077 --> 00:53:02,878 Alabama. 845 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,079 Utah. 846 00:53:04,081 --> 00:53:06,015 Jackson, Mississippi. 847 00:53:06,017 --> 00:53:09,518 The white man told me to get back on the airplane. 848 00:53:11,154 --> 00:53:12,888 I tried Alcatraz Island. 849 00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:15,791 I tried every place that I could think of. 850 00:53:15,793 --> 00:53:18,861 The only answer to the beleaguerments of Muhammad Ali... 851 00:53:18,863 --> 00:53:23,866 might be the stripped jet plane sailing above all local jurisdictions... 852 00:53:23,868 --> 00:53:26,101 with two fighters and 200 fans. 853 00:53:26,103 --> 00:53:30,139 They had tried to put a ring inside a 757. 854 00:53:30,141 --> 00:53:34,009 Wilt, there's been rumors that you are ready to fight Cassius Clay. 855 00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:34,945 Are any of these rumors true? 856 00:53:34,946 --> 00:53:37,947 Actually fighting Muhammad Ali was not a rumor. 857 00:53:37,949 --> 00:53:41,550 That was a plan. But right now it's all down the drain. 858 00:53:42,252 --> 00:53:45,387 We start doing the speaking engagements. 859 00:53:45,555 --> 00:53:50,059 That was the circuit that really sustained him. 860 00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:50,994 He got paid. 861 00:53:50,995 --> 00:53:54,863 Black and white are opposite of one another. 862 00:53:54,865 --> 00:53:57,132 The opposite of good is bad. 863 00:53:57,134 --> 00:53:59,034 The opposite of hot is cold. 864 00:53:59,036 --> 00:54:02,805 In the beginning, he was terrible. 865 00:54:02,807 --> 00:54:05,774 And the opposite of black is white. 866 00:54:05,776 --> 00:54:08,244 He would go into Muslim dogma. 867 00:54:08,246 --> 00:54:11,747 What is it that the Muslims believe? 868 00:54:11,749 --> 00:54:17,586 Number one, we're gonna say a few things on what the Muslims want. 869 00:54:17,588 --> 00:54:20,990 Remember, he was 12 years old... 870 00:54:20,992 --> 00:54:23,759 when he committed himself to boxing. 871 00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:27,062 Suddenly, you're in this tunnel of your talent. 872 00:54:27,064 --> 00:54:32,868 You just concentrate on being this great boxer, which he became. 873 00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:37,373 You wave through so many of the tollbooths of life. 874 00:54:38,675 --> 00:54:43,279 So now suddenly, it's 1967. 875 00:54:43,281 --> 00:54:46,482 He has refused to step forward. 876 00:54:46,484 --> 00:54:48,984 He's 25 years old. 877 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,689 He's out on his own. He's on college campuses. 878 00:54:53,691 --> 00:54:56,692 He thought all these kids were really smart kids out there. 879 00:54:56,694 --> 00:54:58,560 They were going to ask him really tough questions, 880 00:54:58,562 --> 00:55:00,729 which, to a great extent, they did. 881 00:55:00,731 --> 00:55:04,533 In time of peace, would you allow yourself to be drafted? 882 00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:07,503 - Would you? - Yes, sir. 883 00:55:08,105 --> 00:55:09,105 Why? 884 00:55:09,106 --> 00:55:13,642 Do you think that the United States will eventually separate... 885 00:55:13,644 --> 00:55:16,278 into two different societies, black and white? 886 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,816 Well, the latest government fact-finding committee... 887 00:55:20,818 --> 00:55:23,285 said that this is what it's coming to be... 888 00:55:23,287 --> 00:55:25,554 and this is what it's shaping up to be. 889 00:55:25,556 --> 00:55:27,990 I'd like to ask you why you're still a Muslim... 890 00:55:27,992 --> 00:55:32,661 since it's a far-gone conclusion that the Muslim... Muslims... 891 00:55:32,663 --> 00:55:35,230 or two or three... I don't know which... 892 00:55:35,232 --> 00:55:37,800 did assassinate Malcolm X. 893 00:55:37,802 --> 00:55:40,002 Anybody that'd assassinate anybody... 894 00:55:40,004 --> 00:55:42,938 or anybody that carry weapons are not Muslims. 895 00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:45,307 A Muslim wouldn't carry a weapon, 896 00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:47,142 and a Muslim wouldn't assassinate nobody. 897 00:55:47,144 --> 00:55:52,981 Muslims have always been under surveillance all our lives. 898 00:55:53,583 --> 00:55:56,585 You see, Elijah Muhammad has taught us about Big Brother. 899 00:55:56,587 --> 00:55:58,887 Brother Government was always watching us... 900 00:55:58,889 --> 00:56:03,792 to find anything they can to put these Muslims down or out. 901 00:56:03,794 --> 00:56:07,463 They're there waiting for that moment. 902 00:56:16,606 --> 00:56:20,309 I did a lot of those spots with Ali. 903 00:56:20,311 --> 00:56:22,878 He got exposure, being free. 904 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,416 And away from being coached, 905 00:56:27,418 --> 00:56:31,220 I just watched him grow up to become a man. 906 00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:37,092 Well, I would say Black Power would be the same thing to me that White Power is, 907 00:56:37,094 --> 00:56:38,994 but leave out the brutality. 908 00:56:38,996 --> 00:56:41,730 Like this is White Power... 909 00:56:41,732 --> 00:56:45,734 your own schools, your airports, your jet planes. 910 00:56:45,736 --> 00:56:49,271 Being independent and not dependent on others. 911 00:56:49,273 --> 00:56:51,707 Building your own houses, factories and hospitals. 912 00:56:51,709 --> 00:56:57,279 I think that he's teaching the black people to hate white, and I think that's very wrong. 913 00:56:57,281 --> 00:56:59,848 I was opposed to his views before he came here, 914 00:56:59,850 --> 00:57:01,383 and I still am opposed to his views... 915 00:57:01,385 --> 00:57:03,118 because I feel if he wants American rights, 916 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,887 then he should assume responsibility of the draft. 917 00:57:04,889 --> 00:57:08,323 Somebody would come out of nowhere... 918 00:57:08,325 --> 00:57:11,927 and say, "You draft-dodger nigger, go home." 919 00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:13,762 Well, he didn't like that at all. 920 00:57:13,764 --> 00:57:15,664 I said, "We have to do this for a living, man. 921 00:57:15,666 --> 00:57:19,268 Don't worry about what people say about you. You got to keep going." 922 00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:20,702 And then he'd talk back at me and says, 923 00:57:20,704 --> 00:57:23,972 "You're not out there getting embarrassed. I'm out there getting embarrassed. 924 00:57:23,974 --> 00:57:26,842 What would you do if somebody did that to you?" 925 00:57:26,844 --> 00:57:29,912 I'm not gonna help nobody get something that Negroes don't have. 926 00:57:29,914 --> 00:57:33,015 If I'm gonna die, I'll die now right here fighting you. 927 00:57:33,016 --> 00:57:33,783 You my enemy. 928 00:57:33,784 --> 00:57:37,820 My enemy is the white people, not Vietcong or Chinese or Japanese. 929 00:57:37,822 --> 00:57:40,122 You my opposer when I want freedom. 930 00:57:40,124 --> 00:57:41,890 You my opposer when I want justice. 931 00:57:41,892 --> 00:57:43,058 You my opposer when I want equality. 932 00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:46,795 You won't even stand up for me in America for my religious beliefs, 933 00:57:46,797 --> 00:57:48,330 and you want me to go somewhere and fight, 934 00:57:48,332 --> 00:57:51,033 but you won't even stand up for me here at home. 935 00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:57,239 The exiled years was the worst years... 936 00:57:57,241 --> 00:58:00,375 of me and Ali's life. 937 00:58:01,678 --> 00:58:08,083 In Islam we feel like we're being attacked unjustly. 938 00:58:08,085 --> 00:58:12,988 We feel like there's a trial period for us, 939 00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:17,793 and if we stand on righteousness and truth, 940 00:58:17,795 --> 00:58:19,761 God gonna bring us through it. 941 00:58:19,763 --> 00:58:22,564 And that's the way I saw Ali. 942 00:58:22,566 --> 00:58:26,201 I suffered with my brother. He suffered. I suffered. We're like that. 943 00:58:26,203 --> 00:58:29,204 I felt the way he felt. 944 00:58:29,206 --> 00:58:33,408 I share my brother's pain. I share his... 945 00:58:44,487 --> 00:58:46,255 You got to forgive me. 946 00:58:46,257 --> 00:58:50,259 I'm very emotional when it comes to this. 947 00:58:50,261 --> 00:58:52,861 He paid the price. 948 00:59:04,541 --> 00:59:07,142 He did what he had to do. 949 00:59:07,977 --> 00:59:10,078 He's the champ. 950 00:59:14,985 --> 00:59:17,920 The country was beginning to pull apart. 951 00:59:17,922 --> 00:59:22,891 This was a time when the ideals of rebellion were spreading. 952 00:59:22,893 --> 00:59:28,864 Urban insurrections and violence were popping out in cities across the country. 953 00:59:28,866 --> 00:59:31,333 Violence is a part of America's culture. 954 00:59:31,335 --> 00:59:34,002 It is as American as cherry pie. 955 00:59:34,004 --> 00:59:36,572 America taught the black people to be violent. 956 00:59:36,574 --> 00:59:41,577 We will use that violence to rid ourselves of oppression if necessary. 957 00:59:41,579 --> 00:59:43,912 When the white race attack the black people, 958 00:59:43,914 --> 00:59:46,882 you don't ask us what's our religion or what's our belief. 959 00:59:46,884 --> 00:59:48,317 You just start whupping black heads. 960 00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:49,985 They don't say are you a Catholic, are you a Baptist, 961 00:59:49,987 --> 00:59:53,121 are you a black Muslim, are you a Martin Luther King follower, 962 00:59:53,123 --> 00:59:54,423 are you with Whitney Young. 963 00:59:54,425 --> 00:59:57,693 They just go... 964 00:59:57,827 --> 01:00:00,662 There is no need for us to go anywhere and fight for democracy. 965 01:00:00,664 --> 01:00:04,933 We working for our liberation, and it's gonna be in this country. 966 01:00:04,935 --> 01:00:07,235 And what we gonna say across this country, 967 01:00:07,237 --> 01:00:12,174 from Muhammad Ali to a little black boy in Cardozo High School, 968 01:00:12,176 --> 01:00:15,510 "Hell, no. We won't go." 969 01:00:17,314 --> 01:00:19,214 Hell, no! We won't go! 970 01:00:19,216 --> 01:00:22,217 I'm not here to talk and say I don't agree with Stokely. 971 01:00:22,218 --> 01:00:23,086 I don't agree with Rap Brown. 972 01:00:23,087 --> 01:00:25,921 We're all black people who are fighting for freedom, justice and equality. 973 01:00:25,923 --> 01:00:28,223 Everybody have their approach. One man believe in integrating. 974 01:00:28,225 --> 01:00:31,994 One day we all be white, he say. Look like white people after 200 years. 975 01:00:31,996 --> 01:00:34,129 One believes that education and politics will solve it. 976 01:00:34,131 --> 01:00:37,366 One believes shooting and looting and burning up the country will solve it. 977 01:00:37,368 --> 01:00:38,934 One man believes integration will solve it. 978 01:00:38,936 --> 01:00:41,570 And we believe separation, somewhere to ourselves, will solve it. 979 01:00:41,572 --> 01:00:45,040 You were quoted as saying on one occasion, "All whites are devils." 980 01:00:45,042 --> 01:00:47,643 - But that's not true, is it? - Elijah Muhammad teaches us... 981 01:00:47,645 --> 01:00:50,545 that God told him that all whites are devils. 982 01:00:50,547 --> 01:00:52,314 Well, God was wrong on that occasion, wasn't he? 983 01:00:52,316 --> 01:00:53,649 - You don't... - I believe every word of it. 984 01:00:53,651 --> 01:00:56,551 - But you don't actually believe that all whites are devils. - I believe every word... 985 01:00:56,553 --> 01:00:59,021 Yes, sir. I believe everything he preach. 986 01:00:59,023 --> 01:01:00,455 - I mean, I just... - You said "all," didn't you? 987 01:01:00,457 --> 01:01:03,992 - Yeah. I'm trying... - I really believe that all white people are devils. 988 01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:08,230 I'm not gonna be no phony. I done gave up $10 million in fighting. 989 01:01:08,232 --> 01:01:10,165 I'll go to jail for five years. 990 01:01:10,167 --> 01:01:14,169 And you think I'm gonna get on this TV show and deny what I believe? 991 01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:16,571 - No. - I believe every bit of it. 992 01:01:16,573 --> 01:01:17,573 From my point of view, 993 01:01:17,574 --> 01:01:23,111 what Elijah Muhammad is doing to you is diseasing your mind. 994 01:01:23,113 --> 01:01:25,647 And you have the nerve to be on a TV show... 995 01:01:25,649 --> 01:01:27,149 and look at me like I'm wrong... 996 01:01:27,151 --> 01:01:29,451 for saying, Elijah Muhammad is poisoning you... 997 01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:31,420 by telling you that we're your enemies. 998 01:01:31,422 --> 01:01:32,521 And I feel it and see it every day. 999 01:01:32,523 --> 01:01:35,390 And every black man watching this show know you our enemies, 1000 01:01:35,392 --> 01:01:37,359 and you have the nerve to stand up here... 1001 01:01:37,361 --> 01:01:39,327 and say Elijah Muhammad is poisoning my mind. 1002 01:01:39,329 --> 01:01:42,964 He cannot teach us that you our enemy. You taught us. 1003 01:01:42,966 --> 01:01:47,102 And Ali liked intimidating you, pissing you off. 1004 01:01:47,104 --> 01:01:50,138 He loved that. That's his comfort zone. 1005 01:01:50,140 --> 01:01:52,174 And when you're in your comfort zone, 1006 01:01:52,176 --> 01:01:54,576 nobody in the world can penetrate you, 1007 01:01:54,578 --> 01:01:56,378 and you can be who you wanna be. 1008 01:01:56,380 --> 01:02:00,182 I'd like to start off by saying, As-salaam alaikum. 1009 01:02:00,184 --> 01:02:02,651 Wa alaikum. 1010 01:02:02,653 --> 01:02:04,052 Ooh. You all... 1011 01:02:04,054 --> 01:02:08,290 I didn't know you all knew that up here. 1012 01:02:08,292 --> 01:02:09,491 Within a year of this, 1013 01:02:09,493 --> 01:02:12,928 he was a much more attractive character. 1014 01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:15,330 And once you find out who you are, 1015 01:02:15,332 --> 01:02:19,101 then you're start saying, "I am the greatest." 1016 01:02:22,505 --> 01:02:27,142 To those people who think that I lost so much... 1017 01:02:27,144 --> 01:02:29,077 by not taking the step, 1018 01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,613 I haven't lost one thing. 1019 01:02:31,615 --> 01:02:35,150 I have gained a lot. 1020 01:02:35,152 --> 01:02:38,420 Number one... 1021 01:02:42,725 --> 01:02:47,496 - - Number one, I have gained a peace of mind. 1022 01:02:47,498 --> 01:02:51,066 Yeah! 1023 01:02:51,068 --> 01:02:54,569 I have gained a peace of heart. 1024 01:02:54,571 --> 01:02:57,773 I now know that I'm in content... 1025 01:02:57,775 --> 01:03:01,643 with Almighty God himself. 1026 01:03:01,744 --> 01:03:04,780 And there are those who are seeking... 1027 01:03:04,782 --> 01:03:10,118 to equate dissent with disloyalty. 1028 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,287 It is my hope... 1029 01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:15,357 that every young man in this country... 1030 01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:21,763 who finds this war objectionable and abominable and unjust... 1031 01:03:21,765 --> 01:03:25,767 would file as a conscientious objector. 1032 01:03:25,769 --> 01:03:29,104 And no matter what you think... 1033 01:03:29,106 --> 01:03:33,542 of Mr. Muhammad Ali's religion, 1034 01:03:33,544 --> 01:03:39,347 you certainly have to admire his courage. 1035 01:03:51,627 --> 01:03:55,831 Our great leaders like Martin Luther King, to bump him off. 1036 01:03:55,833 --> 01:04:00,402 And when the white man can just bump us off like nothing, 1037 01:04:00,404 --> 01:04:02,771 then what chance does the common man have? 1038 01:04:02,773 --> 01:04:04,706 He just don't care. He sees no future... 1039 01:04:04,708 --> 01:04:08,677 because his hope, his inspiration are wiped out like nothing. 1040 01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:13,515 Muhammad Ali's making statements about what was happening in his life and his world... 1041 01:04:13,517 --> 01:04:14,616 in this society in which we live, 1042 01:04:14,618 --> 01:04:19,454 and you gonna crucify him and take his means to support his family away? 1043 01:04:19,456 --> 01:04:22,224 Oh, it was wrong. Simple as that. 1044 01:04:22,758 --> 01:04:26,194 The United States leads the Olympics in medal awards... 1045 01:04:26,196 --> 01:04:28,797 and is just about supreme in the sprint races, 1046 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:32,267 thanks to men like Tommie Smith and John Carlos. 1047 01:04:32,269 --> 01:04:35,303 They came in first and third. 1048 01:04:35,305 --> 01:04:38,340 Any time they have an Olympic Games... 1049 01:04:38,342 --> 01:04:41,810 or any time they do a national anthem at a football game, 1050 01:04:41,812 --> 01:04:43,144 that's politics right there. 1051 01:04:43,146 --> 01:04:45,780 We felt that as young individual athletes... 1052 01:04:45,782 --> 01:04:49,517 that we could make a significant difference in society. 1053 01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:52,687 I said, "Look, Tommie, I wanna make a statement." 1054 01:04:56,994 --> 01:05:01,162 "Let's put a black glove on and say although we're proud to be Americans, 1055 01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:03,665 we're prouder to be black Americans." 1056 01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:06,735 I had a black shirt on to cover up my U.S.A... 1057 01:05:06,737 --> 01:05:08,536 because I was ashamed of America... 1058 01:05:08,538 --> 01:05:11,840 the way America has been all these years. 1059 01:05:11,842 --> 01:05:13,475 We have a great history in this country. 1060 01:05:13,477 --> 01:05:17,712 But at the same time, we have a history that we should be ashamed of. 1061 01:05:17,714 --> 01:05:19,381 The number-one statement in my mind... 1062 01:05:19,383 --> 01:05:24,719 was to have Muhammad Ali vindicated from all the nonsense, negativities... 1063 01:05:24,721 --> 01:05:26,254 that they try and put around him... 1064 01:05:26,256 --> 01:05:29,157 and give him the right to be the champion that he deserve. 1065 01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:31,693 Wanna let the whole world know... 1066 01:05:31,695 --> 01:05:35,530 that we are going to pick our heroes from today on. 1067 01:05:35,532 --> 01:05:38,366 And brother Tommie Smith, brother John Carlos... 1068 01:05:38,368 --> 01:05:39,634 join the rank of brother Muhammad Ali... 1069 01:05:39,636 --> 01:05:44,539 because we want black people who are concerned with us first and with sports second. 1070 01:05:44,541 --> 01:05:46,541 - Yeah! - Yea! 1071 01:05:46,543 --> 01:05:49,678 When you refused to be drafted, 1072 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,347 do you think that it set a mark in history... 1073 01:05:52,349 --> 01:05:54,849 as one black person who just out and out refused to... 1074 01:05:54,851 --> 01:05:57,786 Many have done it before me, but they were not famous cases. 1075 01:05:57,788 --> 01:06:02,290 And I just don't think I should go 10,000 miles from here... 1076 01:06:02,292 --> 01:06:04,559 and shoot some black people who never called me "nigger," 1077 01:06:04,561 --> 01:06:06,795 never lynched me, never put dogs on me, 1078 01:06:06,797 --> 01:06:08,964 never raped my mama, enslaved me... 1079 01:06:08,966 --> 01:06:12,400 and deprived me of freedom, justice and equality. 1080 01:06:12,402 --> 01:06:14,569 And he's black too. I just can't shoot him. 1081 01:06:14,571 --> 01:06:18,239 And with this in mind, and plus my religious beliefs too, 1082 01:06:18,241 --> 01:06:20,408 which is the legal reason I'm not going, 1083 01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:23,445 I just can't go over there and shoot them people... 1084 01:06:23,447 --> 01:06:26,581 and come back home I'm still a nigger. 1085 01:06:26,583 --> 01:06:31,319 It has been said that I have two alternatives... 1086 01:06:31,321 --> 01:06:35,423 either go to jail or go to the army. 1087 01:06:35,425 --> 01:06:39,594 But I would like to say that there is another alternative. 1088 01:06:39,596 --> 01:06:44,432 And that alternative is justice. 1089 01:06:51,507 --> 01:06:54,342 I came to work for Justice Harlan... 1090 01:06:54,344 --> 01:06:57,812 in the summer of 1970, 1091 01:06:57,814 --> 01:06:59,781 which during the term I was there... 1092 01:06:59,783 --> 01:07:02,283 that the Vietnam Veterans Against the War... 1093 01:07:02,285 --> 01:07:05,320 sat in on the steps of the Supreme Court. 1094 01:07:05,322 --> 01:07:07,489 No! 1095 01:07:11,661 --> 01:07:13,661 There was controversy... 1096 01:07:13,663 --> 01:07:17,365 just surrounding every corner of life. 1097 01:07:17,367 --> 01:07:22,570 Black Power! 1098 01:07:22,572 --> 01:07:25,473 Ship all niggers back! 1099 01:07:26,575 --> 01:07:30,512 It was during that year that Clay against United States... 1100 01:07:30,514 --> 01:07:31,780 came up to the Supreme Court. 1101 01:07:31,782 --> 01:07:36,451 The justices probably thought Ali wouldn't win. 1102 01:07:36,453 --> 01:07:39,754 He could argue about it, but he had a fair shot below... 1103 01:07:39,756 --> 01:07:41,756 when reasonable judges had said no. 1104 01:07:41,758 --> 01:07:44,959 And he didn't present any unique or unusual issues, 1105 01:07:44,961 --> 01:07:47,495 and so they were just gonna let the case go away. 1106 01:07:47,497 --> 01:07:49,264 As they were about to announce, 1107 01:07:49,266 --> 01:07:51,032 the solicitor general came in and said... 1108 01:07:51,034 --> 01:07:54,069 we just learned that there was an illegal wiretap... 1109 01:07:54,071 --> 01:08:00,775 during which the F.B.I. overheard Muhammad Ali talking to Reverend Martin Luther King. 1110 01:08:00,777 --> 01:08:04,612 We are all victims of the same system of oppression. 1111 01:08:04,614 --> 01:08:08,983 And even though we may have different religious beliefs, 1112 01:08:08,985 --> 01:08:13,755 this does not at all bring about a difference in terms of our concerns. 1113 01:08:13,757 --> 01:08:15,857 We're still brothers. 1114 01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:18,860 So they just did what was routine in those days. 1115 01:08:18,862 --> 01:08:21,596 We're sending this back down to the trial judge... 1116 01:08:21,598 --> 01:08:24,732 to determine whether anything needs to be done. 1117 01:08:24,734 --> 01:08:29,003 I didn't think it would take so long... three and a half years... 1118 01:08:29,005 --> 01:08:30,905 but I did think he would be back. 1119 01:08:30,907 --> 01:08:33,641 And he was always doing something interesting. 1120 01:08:33,643 --> 01:08:36,911 He was in a Broadway show, Big Time Buck White. 1121 01:08:36,913 --> 01:08:41,182 - - It was wonderful and terrible. 1122 01:08:46,889 --> 01:08:51,392 You know, I first came here some 400 long years ago. 1123 01:08:51,394 --> 01:08:52,494 Yes. Right on, Big Time. 1124 01:08:52,496 --> 01:08:55,730 - I came as a first-class passenger... - Yes! 1125 01:08:55,732 --> 01:09:00,435 on a cold, nasty, muddy, wet prison of death. 1126 01:09:00,437 --> 01:09:03,705 - Yes! Yes! - A slave ship. 1127 01:09:03,707 --> 01:09:06,374 ♪ We came in chains ♪ 1128 01:09:06,375 --> 01:09:07,143 Yeah! 1129 01:09:07,144 --> 01:09:09,878 - ♪ We came in misery ♪ - Uh-huh. 1130 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,650 ♪ Now all our suffering and pains are part of history ♪ 1131 01:09:15,651 --> 01:09:16,619 Right on! 1132 01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:18,319 - ♪ We came in chains ♪ - Oh, yes! 1133 01:09:18,321 --> 01:09:21,189 Do you feel in a way that you're not really acting up there? 1134 01:09:21,191 --> 01:09:23,725 No, I'm not acting at all. I'm real. 1135 01:09:23,727 --> 01:09:25,160 We may have a little music in the background, 1136 01:09:25,162 --> 01:09:28,696 but everything that I do, I look at it as being real. 1137 01:09:28,698 --> 01:09:30,732 ♪ Chains, chains, chains ♪ 1138 01:09:30,734 --> 01:09:32,400 ♪ We came in chains ♪ 1139 01:09:32,402 --> 01:09:33,568 ♪ Four hundred years ♪ 1140 01:09:33,570 --> 01:09:36,171 ♪ No justice No freedom No equality ♪ 1141 01:09:36,173 --> 01:09:38,506 ♪ Worked from sunup to sundown ♪ 1142 01:09:38,508 --> 01:09:40,608 ♪ 1970, still in chains ♪ 1143 01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:43,611 ♪ Financial chains Economical chains ♪ 1144 01:09:43,613 --> 01:09:45,480 ♪ Chains, chains, chains ♪ 1145 01:09:45,482 --> 01:09:47,081 ♪ America chains ♪ 1146 01:09:47,083 --> 01:09:50,485 ♪ Chains Look at these chains ♪ 1147 01:09:50,487 --> 01:09:54,622 ♪ Chains ♪ 1148 01:09:54,624 --> 01:09:57,792 ♪ Chains ♪ ♪ 1149 01:10:03,098 --> 01:10:05,800 Meanwhile, a group of Atlanta blacks and whites... 1150 01:10:05,802 --> 01:10:09,904 managed to get Clay a license and bring the fight to Atlanta. 1151 01:10:09,906 --> 01:10:12,207 No other city has done this. 1152 01:10:12,209 --> 01:10:18,012 We put Mr. Clay, Muhammad Ali, back into the ring. 1153 01:10:18,847 --> 01:10:20,848 I don't see how this fight could take place... 1154 01:10:20,850 --> 01:10:22,483 anywhere in the United States of America... 1155 01:10:22,485 --> 01:10:26,621 by a man that has denounced his country's uniform... 1156 01:10:26,623 --> 01:10:29,090 and refused to be inducted. 1157 01:10:29,658 --> 01:10:32,527 There are no state laws in Georgia... 1158 01:10:32,528 --> 01:10:33,229 covering the boxing industry. 1159 01:10:33,230 --> 01:10:39,133 We have secured from the city of Atlanta the boxing permit, the license. 1160 01:10:39,135 --> 01:10:41,202 We've covered everything. 1161 01:10:41,204 --> 01:10:44,472 Muhammad Ali, or Cassius Clay, or both... 1162 01:10:44,474 --> 01:10:47,175 will return to the boxing ring in Atlanta, Georgia. 1163 01:10:47,177 --> 01:10:49,711 Governor Maddox does not like it. 1164 01:10:49,713 --> 01:10:50,713 But he can't stop it. 1165 01:10:50,714 --> 01:10:52,714 I've called for a day of mourning because of this, 1166 01:10:52,716 --> 01:10:56,251 that this tragic thing has happened in this United States of America... 1167 01:10:56,253 --> 01:11:00,855 where men have fought so long and their wives and children have sacrificed so much. 1168 01:11:00,857 --> 01:11:04,993 But there are a lot of people who feel as Governor Maddox does. 1169 01:11:04,995 --> 01:11:08,496 But Clay has his license and will fight. 1170 01:11:08,498 --> 01:11:10,765 Your greatest trial may not be in the ring. 1171 01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:11,799 It may be with the American public, 1172 01:11:11,801 --> 01:11:17,639 most of whom deeply resent your stance with regard to military induction. 1173 01:11:18,207 --> 01:11:21,509 Because Ali was such a visible public figure, 1174 01:11:21,511 --> 01:11:26,714 Justice Brennan thought we just can't let a case like this go... 1175 01:11:26,716 --> 01:11:27,915 without explaining why. 1176 01:11:27,917 --> 01:11:30,618 So we caught the case on the bounce back. 1177 01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:35,923 The Supreme Court agreed today to review heavyweight fighter Muhammad Ali's conviction... 1178 01:11:35,925 --> 01:11:37,692 for refusing induction into the army. 1179 01:11:37,694 --> 01:11:41,195 Ali claims he cannot be drafted for religious reasons, 1180 01:11:41,197 --> 01:11:44,999 and now the high court will decide whether he's right. 1181 01:11:45,001 --> 01:11:46,301 Is your client a pacifist? 1182 01:11:46,303 --> 01:11:50,038 A pacifist is, uh... is... is, uh, strict language. 1183 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,641 A pacifist means, um... uh, a Quaker, 1184 01:11:53,643 --> 01:11:57,545 one who does not engage in any kind of violence. 1185 01:11:57,547 --> 01:12:00,715 It would hardly classify him as a pacifist. 1186 01:12:00,717 --> 01:12:03,618 Of course there's this incredible irony... 1187 01:12:03,620 --> 01:12:10,591 that you have this big, powerful heavyweight champion of the world... 1188 01:12:10,593 --> 01:12:13,995 saying he's a conscientious objector. 1189 01:12:14,997 --> 01:12:18,733 Justice Thurgood Marshall recused himself from the case. 1190 01:12:18,735 --> 01:12:21,102 He was largely removing himself from any case... 1191 01:12:21,104 --> 01:12:23,504 where the N.A.A.C.P. Legal Defense Fund, 1192 01:12:23,506 --> 01:12:26,808 of which he used to be the head, was representing a party. 1193 01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:29,210 The fact that Marshall was not in the case... 1194 01:12:29,212 --> 01:12:30,812 meant there were only eight justices. 1195 01:12:30,814 --> 01:12:36,617 So there was always the risk that this case would come out 4-4. 1196 01:12:36,619 --> 01:12:42,323 If the justices vote 4-4, the decision below is affirmed. 1197 01:12:42,325 --> 01:12:44,892 Ali would go to jail. 1198 01:12:44,894 --> 01:12:48,162 Earlier this year Ali began retempering the steel... 1199 01:12:48,164 --> 01:12:51,866 that lay beneath the starchy lecture-circuit lunches. 1200 01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:53,101 All this is to me is a job. 1201 01:12:53,103 --> 01:12:57,372 It means that I have a chance to earn a living and take care of my family. 1202 01:12:57,374 --> 01:12:59,607 That's all it means to me. 1203 01:13:00,109 --> 01:13:01,809 In exhibitions like this, 1204 01:13:01,811 --> 01:13:05,012 sometimes he floated like a butterfly in galoshes. 1205 01:13:05,014 --> 01:13:07,648 But there were moments when a live youth... 1206 01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:11,052 broke through the rusty layers. 1207 01:13:12,187 --> 01:13:14,756 Many critics say it's impossible... 1208 01:13:14,758 --> 01:13:17,592 for a man to be off three years and a half... 1209 01:13:17,594 --> 01:13:18,693 and with a six-week notice be in shape. 1210 01:13:18,695 --> 01:13:25,695 It's impossible for him to have his wind, his timing, his speed and his legs. 1211 01:13:25,769 --> 01:13:27,969 People are wondering what can I do, 1212 01:13:27,971 --> 01:13:32,907 and we won't know until the pressure's put on me. 1213 01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:35,243 A man should be entitled to do his job. 1214 01:13:35,245 --> 01:13:38,746 He was convicted of a felony, but he's not in jail. 1215 01:13:38,748 --> 01:13:40,314 And as long as he's free, 1216 01:13:40,316 --> 01:13:44,652 he should be entitled to make his living. 1217 01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:53,094 Win or lose, he's got the appeal of his conviction to worry about... 1218 01:13:53,096 --> 01:13:56,764 and the possibility of five years in prison. 1219 01:14:03,206 --> 01:14:04,206 Time! 1220 01:14:04,207 --> 01:14:07,408 When the case was argued to the justices, 1221 01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:10,411 almost all the analysis turned on the question... 1222 01:14:10,413 --> 01:14:13,347 of whether he was a selective conscientious objector. 1223 01:14:13,349 --> 01:14:19,187 That is, he had a conscientious objection to this war but not another one. 1224 01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:23,257 There is in this record a basis, in fact, 1225 01:14:23,259 --> 01:14:24,659 for the conclusion... 1226 01:14:24,661 --> 01:14:27,161 that the petitioner's objection, 1227 01:14:27,163 --> 01:14:29,464 though religious, is selective. 1228 01:14:29,466 --> 01:14:31,799 - As-salaam alaikum. - Wa as-salaam. 1229 01:14:31,801 --> 01:14:34,902 That he is, in fact, oppose to fighting... 1230 01:14:34,904 --> 01:14:37,638 what he regards as "the white man's wars," 1231 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,943 although having no religious or conscientious scruples... 1232 01:14:41,945 --> 01:14:44,045 against participation in war... 1233 01:14:44,047 --> 01:14:47,982 which would defend the black man's interests. 1234 01:14:48,951 --> 01:14:51,419 The court voted 5-3 against Ali. 1235 01:14:51,421 --> 01:14:53,955 It was all over but the writing. 1236 01:14:53,957 --> 01:15:00,495 Metaphorically, Ali had one foot and three toes in prison. 1237 01:15:18,013 --> 01:15:23,284 The chief justice assigned the opinion to Justice Harlan. 1238 01:15:23,418 --> 01:15:28,856 Justice Harlan... he was in very good health, with one exception. 1239 01:15:28,858 --> 01:15:29,891 His eyesight was horrible. 1240 01:15:29,893 --> 01:15:34,395 He had had something that was like a stroke of the eyes. 1241 01:15:34,763 --> 01:15:40,034 Part of the job of being Justice Harlan's law clerk was to read to him. 1242 01:15:40,036 --> 01:15:41,335 And I told Justice Harlan... 1243 01:15:41,337 --> 01:15:43,938 I might have said it more times than is really polite... 1244 01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:48,175 "When you go back and you read The Message to the Blackman... " 1245 01:15:48,177 --> 01:15:50,511 Every one of you should have this book in your study. 1246 01:15:50,513 --> 01:15:53,848 "and you read The Autobiography of Malcolm X, 1247 01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:55,416 the Nation of Islam people were saying... 1248 01:15:55,418 --> 01:15:58,386 if Allah summons us to war, then we will go to war. 1249 01:15:58,388 --> 01:16:02,023 If you really took the law literally seriously, 1250 01:16:02,025 --> 01:16:07,361 you cannot distinguish Jehovah's Witnesses from the Nation of Islam... 1251 01:16:07,363 --> 01:16:09,263 on this particular issue." 1252 01:16:09,265 --> 01:16:12,333 And so we've got legal precedent. 1253 01:16:12,335 --> 01:16:16,938 What the Supreme Court had said about the Jehovah's Witnesses... 1254 01:16:16,940 --> 01:16:19,140 was even though they're willing to fight... 1255 01:16:19,142 --> 01:16:21,409 in some hypothetical war declared by God, 1256 01:16:21,411 --> 01:16:25,580 it doesn't mean that you're not a conscientious objector. 1257 01:16:25,582 --> 01:16:29,951 Congress meant to exempt people who, in good conscience, 1258 01:16:29,953 --> 01:16:36,157 couldn't participate in a person-to-person bombs-and-bullets war. 1259 01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:41,162 "We believe that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims... 1260 01:16:41,164 --> 01:16:46,601 shall not participate in wars which take the lives of human beings." 1261 01:16:46,603 --> 01:16:48,836 Justice Harlan sent a memorandum 1262 01:16:48,837 --> 01:16:49,404 essentially saying, 1263 01:16:49,405 --> 01:16:52,206 "Now that I've look more carefully at the record, 1264 01:16:52,208 --> 01:16:54,408 I think we were wrong in our vote, 1265 01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:58,913 and I am voting to reverse the conviction." 1266 01:16:58,915 --> 01:17:00,414 And now we had a problem. 1267 01:17:00,416 --> 01:17:03,985 How are we going to keep staffing that war machine... 1268 01:17:03,987 --> 01:17:07,521 if it turns out that everybody who joins the Nation of Islam... 1269 01:17:07,523 --> 01:17:09,624 gets a free pass out of the draft? 1270 01:17:09,626 --> 01:17:14,328 In war, the intention is to kill, kill, kill, kill... 1271 01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:17,131 and continue killing innocent people. 1272 01:17:17,133 --> 01:17:20,334 But there is one hell of a lot of difference... 1273 01:17:20,336 --> 01:17:24,805 in fighting in the ring and going to war in Vietnam. 1274 01:17:28,510 --> 01:17:31,445 From Louisville, Kentucky, 1275 01:17:31,447 --> 01:17:34,382 return of the champion, 1276 01:17:34,384 --> 01:17:36,651 Muhammad Ali. 1277 01:17:43,125 --> 01:17:48,829 The Quarry fight was really exciting outside the ring. 1278 01:17:48,831 --> 01:17:53,467 Everybody who was somebody came to that fight. 1279 01:17:53,469 --> 01:17:56,871 Cadillacs, gangster style. 1280 01:17:56,873 --> 01:18:00,908 Cats with minks and diamonds. 1281 01:18:00,910 --> 01:18:03,310 It was the fight night. 1282 01:18:04,146 --> 01:18:08,916 That left jab is finding its mark. 1283 01:18:13,889 --> 01:18:18,592 It was a total explosion of blackness... 1284 01:18:19,327 --> 01:18:22,029 from the highest levels of civil rights... 1285 01:18:22,031 --> 01:18:28,502 I want to say that you're not only our champion in the boxing area, 1286 01:18:28,504 --> 01:18:34,208 but you're also a champion of justice and peace and human dignity. 1287 01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:35,309 Thank you. 1288 01:18:35,311 --> 01:18:38,979 You're the living example of soul power. 1289 01:18:38,981 --> 01:18:43,250 This was the March on Washington all in two fists. 1290 01:18:43,252 --> 01:18:46,353 - Thank you. - Thank you. You're so kind. 1291 01:18:46,922 --> 01:18:49,056 Ali's case exposed... 1292 01:18:49,058 --> 01:18:51,525 how awkward the legal system was... 1293 01:18:51,527 --> 01:18:55,429 and how arbitrary and capricious it was in many respects. 1294 01:18:55,431 --> 01:18:58,999 Justice Stewart dug further into the record... 1295 01:18:59,001 --> 01:19:01,402 and found an obscure technical point... 1296 01:19:01,404 --> 01:19:04,672 on which the court could reverse Ali's conviction. 1297 01:19:04,674 --> 01:19:08,476 But this ground for reversal applied only to Muhammad Ali. 1298 01:19:08,478 --> 01:19:10,945 It didn't apply to anybody else. 1299 01:19:11,146 --> 01:19:18,146 The technicality was that the government had denied Ali due process of law. 1300 01:19:18,921 --> 01:19:20,621 At the first stage of this case, 1301 01:19:20,623 --> 01:19:23,324 the government had told the Louisville draft board... 1302 01:19:23,326 --> 01:19:27,228 that not only was Ali not opposed to all wars... 1303 01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:30,631 but that he was insincere in claiming this. 1304 01:19:30,633 --> 01:19:32,366 Then when they got to the Supreme Court, 1305 01:19:32,368 --> 01:19:36,737 Justice Douglas, at the very end of the oral argument by the government, 1306 01:19:36,739 --> 01:19:38,439 turned to the solicitor general and said... 1307 01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:41,542 "You don't question his sincerity?" 1308 01:19:41,544 --> 01:19:43,511 No, Mr. Justice, we do not. 1309 01:19:43,513 --> 01:19:46,113 That's a denial of due process. 1310 01:19:46,115 --> 01:19:52,052 The government isn't allowed to tell a judge Ali was insincere... 1311 01:19:52,054 --> 01:19:54,188 and the next day sincere... 1312 01:19:54,190 --> 01:19:56,390 in order to sustain a conviction. 1313 01:19:56,392 --> 01:20:02,663 This little procedural point turning this big case into a peewee case... 1314 01:20:02,665 --> 01:20:05,332 immediately got you five votes, 1315 01:20:05,334 --> 01:20:09,203 and other people then started coming over to the opinion. 1316 01:20:09,205 --> 01:20:12,406 So the final outcome was a unanimous victory. 1317 01:20:12,408 --> 01:20:18,579 They wrote a case that, insofar as precedent is concerned... 1318 01:20:18,581 --> 01:20:20,548 the way I say it... is so thin... 1319 01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:25,085 that if you turn it sideways, it doesn't even cast a shadow. 1320 01:20:26,021 --> 01:20:28,589 The Supreme Court ruled 8-0 today... 1321 01:20:28,591 --> 01:20:30,558 that Muhammad Ali is indeed sincere... 1322 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,560 in his Muslim beliefs against war. 1323 01:20:32,562 --> 01:20:36,130 That overturns Ali's conviction for refusing induction... 1324 01:20:36,132 --> 01:20:38,165 and removes the threat of five years in jail. 1325 01:20:38,167 --> 01:20:41,569 When Ali heard the news, he said, "Thanks be to Allah." 1326 01:20:41,571 --> 01:20:43,537 I was on 79th Street on the south side... 1327 01:20:43,539 --> 01:20:44,872 and just bought me an orange in a grocery store. 1328 01:20:44,874 --> 01:20:49,109 And the grocery owner came out and grabbed me and hugged me with tears in his eyes... 1329 01:20:49,111 --> 01:20:54,248 a little black fella... and told me that you've just been vindicated and you're free. 1330 01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:56,984 Eight judges all voted in your favor. 1331 01:20:56,986 --> 01:20:59,320 Only God did it, buddy. 1332 01:20:59,322 --> 01:21:01,422 The God of heaven and earth, these stars 1333 01:21:01,424 --> 01:21:04,825 He changed hearts. 1334 01:21:04,827 --> 01:21:06,360 Whew! 1335 01:21:06,361 --> 01:21:06,828 Hit me hard. 1336 01:21:06,829 --> 01:21:10,130 Well, all I have to say is what's concerning my case. 1337 01:21:10,132 --> 01:21:12,566 I don't know what's happening to this moment. 1338 01:21:12,568 --> 01:21:14,768 I don't know who will be assassinated tonight. 1339 01:21:14,770 --> 01:21:17,204 I don't know who will be enslaved or mistreated. 1340 01:21:17,206 --> 01:21:22,042 I don't who will be deprived of some other justice or equality. 1341 01:21:25,413 --> 01:21:28,315 Well, I think everybody's looking for truth. 1342 01:21:31,086 --> 01:21:34,188 Everybody's trying to find himself. 1343 01:21:34,190 --> 01:21:35,322 People sit back now in their old age... 1344 01:21:35,324 --> 01:21:40,527 and reflect on the crossroads of their life. "Did I make the right choices?" 1345 01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:45,399 Muhammad Ali stood fast and never denied what he stood for. 1346 01:21:47,002 --> 01:21:49,904 The first time that I understood the importance 1347 01:21:49,905 --> 01:21:50,639 of who my father was, 1348 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,506 I was around three years old. 1349 01:21:52,508 --> 01:21:55,709 We had to be lifted out some way of this massive crowd. 1350 01:21:55,711 --> 01:22:01,282 People were crying. They were on their knees. They had their hands crossed. 1351 01:22:02,851 --> 01:22:04,418 In a strange sort of way, 1352 01:22:04,420 --> 01:22:09,556 I don't think that he totally transcended boxing... 1353 01:22:09,558 --> 01:22:11,325 until he went back to boxing, 1354 01:22:11,327 --> 01:22:15,462 until he went back on that platform. 1355 01:22:17,632 --> 01:22:20,567 This is an incredible scene. 1356 01:22:20,569 --> 01:22:22,136 The place is going wild. 1357 01:22:22,138 --> 01:22:25,906 Muhammad Ali has won! Muhammad Ali has won! 1358 01:22:25,908 --> 01:22:27,775 Naturally when you're young, 1359 01:22:27,777 --> 01:22:29,610 you want your father all to yourself. 1360 01:22:29,612 --> 01:22:31,645 My father would go off on trips, 1361 01:22:31,647 --> 01:22:34,782 going to China or Libya or wherever, 1362 01:22:34,784 --> 01:22:36,583 and I would cry. 1363 01:22:36,585 --> 01:22:40,387 He said to me one time, "You know, Hana, I'm your daddy, 1364 01:22:40,389 --> 01:22:41,822 but I'm also the daddy to the world." 1365 01:22:41,824 --> 01:22:44,959 And I said, "You're not my daddy. You're Muhammad Ali." 1366 01:22:44,961 --> 01:22:48,228 Whenever he would leave, he was Muhammad Ali. 1367 01:22:48,396 --> 01:22:50,664 I'll always gonna be one black one... 1368 01:22:50,666 --> 01:22:53,500 who got big on your white televisions, 1369 01:22:53,502 --> 01:22:55,803 on your white newspapers, on your satellites... 1370 01:22:55,805 --> 01:22:59,506 and 100% stay with and represent my people. 1371 01:22:59,508 --> 01:23:01,875 That was my purpose, and that's why I'm happy. 1372 01:23:01,877 --> 01:23:03,544 I'm here, and I'm showing the world... 1373 01:23:03,546 --> 01:23:07,448 that you can be here and still free and stay yourself... 1374 01:23:07,450 --> 01:23:10,484 and get respect from the world. 1375 01:23:11,453 --> 01:23:13,120 When Elijah Muhammad died in '75, 1376 01:23:13,122 --> 01:23:19,226 the decision of the leadership was to name Wallace Muhammad, Elijah's son, 1377 01:23:19,228 --> 01:23:20,327 as the new leader. 1378 01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:22,663 We've arrived here. The trip was successful. 1379 01:23:22,665 --> 01:23:28,635 He began to change the Nation to something more akin to traditional Islam. 1380 01:23:28,637 --> 01:23:31,305 Less attention to black nationalism. 1381 01:23:31,307 --> 01:23:32,539 Less attention to race. 1382 01:23:32,541 --> 01:23:36,677 Muhammad Ali became a follower of Wallace Muhammad. 1383 01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:38,979 Most members went along with them at first. 1384 01:23:38,981 --> 01:23:41,982 And then eventually, people in the Nation convinced 1385 01:23:41,984 --> 01:23:43,384 Louis Farrakhan to break away... 1386 01:23:43,386 --> 01:23:48,555 and reform Elijah Muhammad's race-oriented version. 1387 01:23:48,557 --> 01:23:50,090 And that's been that way ever since. 1388 01:23:50,092 --> 01:23:54,261 In the early days of the religion, they have black separatism. 1389 01:23:54,263 --> 01:23:56,263 In those days, you were the devil. 1390 01:23:56,265 --> 01:23:58,799 The white man was the devil. That's right. 1391 01:23:58,801 --> 01:24:01,702 Ali was constantly evolving, 1392 01:24:01,704 --> 01:24:04,505 constantly growing... 1393 01:24:04,507 --> 01:24:07,608 from the narrow view... 1394 01:24:07,610 --> 01:24:11,712 of the Nation of Islam in its infancy... 1395 01:24:11,714 --> 01:24:14,782 to the broad universal view... 1396 01:24:14,784 --> 01:24:19,620 of Islam in its fullest development. 1397 01:24:19,622 --> 01:24:21,555 That's Ali. 1398 01:24:22,824 --> 01:24:24,324 I'm a Muslim, 1399 01:24:24,326 --> 01:24:27,661 and I'm against killing, violence, 1400 01:24:27,663 --> 01:24:31,265 and all Muslims are against it. 1401 01:24:31,533 --> 01:24:36,837 I think the people should know the real truth about Islam. 1402 01:24:36,839 --> 01:24:40,541 And I wouldn't be here to represent Islam... 1403 01:24:40,543 --> 01:24:44,078 if it was really like the terrorists made it look. 1404 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:48,082 I think that all the people should know the truth... 1405 01:24:48,084 --> 01:24:55,084 and come to recognize the truth because Islam is peace. 1406 01:24:55,557 --> 01:25:00,627 Ali... he has made more people examine Islam. 1407 01:25:00,629 --> 01:25:03,831 And they find that Islam ain't what the government... 1408 01:25:03,833 --> 01:25:08,469 and the enemies of Islam trying to make it out to be. 1409 01:25:09,004 --> 01:25:10,004 Since 9/11, 1410 01:25:10,005 --> 01:25:14,775 Islam has acquired so many layers and dimensions and textures. 1411 01:25:14,777 --> 01:25:17,911 When the Nation of Islam was considered as a threatening religion, 1412 01:25:17,913 --> 01:25:22,749 traditional Islam was seen as a gentle alternative. 1413 01:25:22,751 --> 01:25:25,686 And now quite the contrary. 1414 01:25:25,688 --> 01:25:28,989 The Nation of Islam is seen as a tame domestic version... 1415 01:25:28,991 --> 01:25:32,993 and traditional Islam is seen as the threatening thing. 1416 01:25:32,995 --> 01:25:36,096 Muhammad Ali occupies a weird kind of place... 1417 01:25:36,098 --> 01:25:40,534 in that shifting interpretation of Islam. 1418 01:25:41,636 --> 01:25:45,639 He'll always be the greatest fighter ever. 1419 01:25:45,641 --> 01:25:48,442 But I just outgrew him. 1420 01:25:51,146 --> 01:25:53,747 My father's first marriage was to Sonji Roi, 1421 01:25:53,749 --> 01:25:56,950 and it didn't last long, about a year. 1422 01:25:56,952 --> 01:26:00,354 His second wife, he had four kids with. 1423 01:26:03,391 --> 01:26:06,126 His third wife, Veronica Porsche, my mother, 1424 01:26:06,128 --> 01:26:09,096 he had myself and my sister, Laila. 1425 01:26:09,098 --> 01:26:10,931 And his current wife, Lonnie, 1426 01:26:10,933 --> 01:26:12,933 they adopted together one child. 1427 01:26:12,935 --> 01:26:16,837 And my father has two children by women he was not married to. 1428 01:26:16,839 --> 01:26:19,373 So there's nine of us, and we're one big happy family... 1429 01:26:19,375 --> 01:26:22,509 'cause he brought us together in the summers every year. 1430 01:26:22,511 --> 01:26:27,381 Probably drove my mother crazy and everybody else crazy. We had a ball. 1431 01:26:28,917 --> 01:26:33,020 I see him at certain family events. 1432 01:26:33,022 --> 01:26:35,522 It hurts sometimes to look at him too long. 1433 01:26:35,524 --> 01:26:40,360 I can be around for a few minutes and then I have to walk away. 1434 01:26:40,362 --> 01:26:44,565 But then I see there's a good aura there. 1435 01:26:44,567 --> 01:26:47,668 Then I'll penetrate it with some good memories. 1436 01:26:47,670 --> 01:26:52,272 And then I fall in love with him all over again. 1437 01:26:53,074 --> 01:26:55,209 All the wealth of the universe... 1438 01:26:55,211 --> 01:27:02,211 and all the wealth on earth is equal to mosquitoes... 1439 01:27:02,751 --> 01:27:05,852 compared to what you get in the next life. 1440 01:27:05,854 --> 01:27:11,225 Some who know him believe that all those blows to the head damaged his brain, 1441 01:27:11,227 --> 01:27:14,628 that he is no longer the man he was inside. 1442 01:27:14,630 --> 01:27:18,131 He has Parkinson's, as the world knows. 1443 01:27:18,133 --> 01:27:19,566 But he's healthy otherwise. 1444 01:27:19,568 --> 01:27:23,804 He is happy being Muhammad Ali. He enjoys who he is. 1445 01:27:23,806 --> 01:27:24,905 He's not in any pain. 1446 01:27:24,907 --> 01:27:27,741 He believes that everything has a purpose and a time. 1447 01:27:27,743 --> 01:27:30,611 And, you know, he's... he's happy. 1448 01:27:30,613 --> 01:27:33,981 When you do the right thing, man, you will prevail at the end. 1449 01:27:33,983 --> 01:27:36,717 It's just a matter of you being out there in the front... 1450 01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:40,621 of the people who haven't caught up with you yet. 1451 01:27:45,827 --> 01:27:52,165 When he lit the Olympic torch in '96, 1452 01:27:52,167 --> 01:27:54,568 I felt tears in my eyes. 1453 01:28:00,009 --> 01:28:04,244 The greatest of all time! 1454 01:28:04,246 --> 01:28:08,515 But to see him carry that, 1455 01:28:08,517 --> 01:28:12,953 uh, it was a big-time howdy. 1456 01:28:12,955 --> 01:28:16,223 It was a perfect poetic moment. 1457 01:28:18,726 --> 01:28:22,829 If anybody should've lit the torch in any Olympic Games, 1458 01:28:22,831 --> 01:28:26,533 it should have been Muhammad Ali. 1459 01:28:26,535 --> 01:28:28,568 In the '60s and '70s, 1460 01:28:28,570 --> 01:28:33,674 he was the most recognizable face in the world. 1461 01:28:33,676 --> 01:28:36,810 We created a symbol. 1462 01:28:37,211 --> 01:28:43,550 Muhammad Ali has long since been supplanted... 1463 01:28:43,552 --> 01:28:47,621 by what we believe he is. 1464 01:28:47,623 --> 01:28:50,157 One more time! Who's the champ of the world? 1465 01:28:50,158 --> 01:28:51,092 Muhammad Ali! 1466 01:28:51,093 --> 01:28:54,161 There are so many ways of looking at him... 1467 01:28:54,163 --> 01:28:57,297 that have only to do with us... 1468 01:28:57,299 --> 01:29:02,069 and have nothing to do with him. 1469 01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:07,574 When Muhammad Ali took that stand... 1470 01:29:08,976 --> 01:29:12,279 - That was a hell of a stand. - It certainly was. 1471 01:29:12,281 --> 01:29:15,649 And my father was always more than a boxer. 1472 01:29:15,651 --> 01:29:17,951 To me, he's the eighth wonder of the world. 1473 01:29:17,953 --> 01:29:19,219 That's the one title I'm waiting for. 1474 01:29:19,221 --> 01:29:23,190 Muhammad Ali... the eighth wonder of the world. 1475 01:29:27,595 --> 01:29:30,197 I love you, champ. 1476 01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:31,832 You're my soul and my heart. 1477 01:29:31,834 --> 01:29:34,101 Only brother I got. Love you. 1478 01:29:36,003 --> 01:29:38,038 I love you. 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