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Well, now, with just
a slight skip of the heart,
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we have, I think,
got through to Chicago and Muhammad Ali.
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- Are you hearing us from London, Muhammad?
- Yes, sir. Loud and clear.
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- How are you doing today?
- Very well. Thank you. Welcome to the show.
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Thank you for allowing me to come to
you live by Early Bird satellite.
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Now, let me just get a few
facts straight with you.
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You're a professional
fighter, right?
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I am a minister of
the religion of Islam also.
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A professional fighter
and a minister as well.
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- Yes, sir. - David Susskind would like to
ask you some questions. David.
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Well, I don't know
where to begin.
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I find nothing amusing or interesting
or tolerable about this man.
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He's a disgrace to
his country, his race...
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and what he laughingly
describes as his profession.
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He is a convicted felon
in the United States.
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He has been found guilty.
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He is out on bail.
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He will inevitably go to prison,
as well he should.
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He's a simplistic fool
and a pawn.
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Muhammad Ali.
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One of the greatest athletes
of all time.
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As the first three-time heavyweight
boxing champion of the world,
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he thrilled, entertained
and inspired us.
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He was
given the Medal of Freedom...
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by the president
of the United States.
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The American people
are proud to call Muhammad Ali...
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one of our own.
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What does it mean,
the Medal of Freedom?
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We bring you up. Oh, yes.
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This is Muhammad Ali, the great fighter,
the great humanitarian,
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the great Muslim.
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Years ago,
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Ali came and sat right here.
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And Ali looked at me.
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He said, "Still a nigger."
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I said, "Oh, Ali.
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Don't talk like that."
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He said, "Still a nigger."
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What did my brother mean?
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Olympic champion,
and the flag is going...
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And I'm standing so proud.
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I just hear the man say,
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"Champion of the whole world...
Cassius Clay."
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Olympic champion of the world...
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...from Kentucky.
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Southern boy raised poor becoming
a gold medal winner, oh, man.
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Oh! I still get excited.
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Me, my mother, my father
were standing at the terminal
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when he came off the plane.
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I was so happy.
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It was beautiful.
Beautiful.
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Any ideas now as to whom
you might sign with?
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I would like to get with a nice,
honest crowd. Nice, clean people.
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And with the right backing,
I believe I'll have a chance...
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to become the world's
heavyweight champion.
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It's best to be with somebody you know
and from your own town if possible.
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I'm Gordon B. Davidson, attorney for
the Louisville Sponsoring Group,
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owner of Cassius Clay and the hired hand to
keep the group and Cassius Clay together.
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We had a contract
with Ali for six years.
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We were as powerful a group as you
could put together in Louisville.
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These were all capitalists.
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I'm Bill Faversham,
vice president of Brown-Foreman,
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and one of the founders
of the group of Cassius Clay.
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I'm also his manager.
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I'm W.L. Lyons Brown,
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chairman of the board of
Brown-Foreman Distillers Corporation.
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I'm also a farmer
and in the oil business.
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The original group,
they're all deceased.
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I'm the only survivor.
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The reason for the group was
to aid, assist and protect...
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this fine Louisville athlete.
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He was a young fellow
who wanted to be great.
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Cassius, you say you're gonna be
champion by the time you're 21. Is that right?
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As you know, today is the jet age.
Everybody's trying to break records.
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There's the man who says that
he'll be on the moon by 1970.
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They're gonna make cars
that will run by sunlight.
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Well, those are pretty
game predictions.
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I wouldn't want to do
too much bragging about it,
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but everybody that watches me, they say that
I'm the greatest that they've ever seen.
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But did I think he
would be the heavyweight champion?
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I had doubts about it.
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And I think the group
had doubts about it...
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because the odds,
it's like winning the Kentucky Derby.
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You have a horse,
and the horse looks pretty good,
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but it is gonna win the Derby?
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He never had a doubt about it.
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For me to say it was
a civic thing...
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...it was.
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This is the house behind us that
Muhammad and I were raised in...
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for the first 13 years
of our life.
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Who's the champ?
I'm the champ.
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- Come on.
- You come on.
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I was good,
but he was more gifted than I
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Left jab,
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right cross,
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hook.
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And we shared a room together.
It had twin beds.
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He had a bed
on one side on the room.
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I had a bed
on the side of the room.
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And from Mom, we got kindness,
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gentleness, sweetness
and affection, love.
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All the good things from Mom.
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My father, his name was
Cassius M. Clay Sr.
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As I understand, I'm
Cassius Marcellus Clay VI.
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Well, Cassius Marcellus Clay
is a great name in Kentucky.
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Cassius Marcellus Clay...
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the old guy, the white guy,
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for whom Cassius was named...
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he was a very strong
abolitionist.
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I did talk to the Clays a lot.
Always a very friendly relationship.
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The father was kind of
an in-and-out sort of fellow...
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who painted signs
and other things for a living.
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My father was painting
the churches here in Louisville.
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My dad painted
this beautiful portrait of
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Jesus Christ rescuing Peter.
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Peter started denying to believe
in Christ and he started sinking
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When I went
to church on Sunday,
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and I always asked my mother,
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"How come is everything white?"
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I said, "Why is Jesus white
with blond hair and blue eyes?
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Angels are white."
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I knew something was wrong,
but I couldn't pinpoint it.
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They had a lawyer
whose name was Alberta Jones.
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She was an African-American
lawyer and a very good one.
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He had little regard for money,
except he wanted to have it to spend.
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When the group had him,
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the top rate
for income tax was 91%.
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It's now 35.
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So the more he made,
the more he paid to the government.
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To solve that problem,
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the group paid
for everything...
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so he could just concentrate
on his boxing.
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Cassius,
do you believe that a fighter...
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actually tries to
kill another fighter?
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Does he get that vicious?
Do you get that vicious?
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Every time I enter a ring,
I intend to down him.
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And if he should fall,
he falls.
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Well, that's everybody's
intention or we wouldn't go in.
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We had a fund that we fondly jokingly called
"The Orange Juice Fund."
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When he was in Florida,
we would get the bills...
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and they would be
in the range of, say,
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2,000 gallons worth
of orange juice.
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And we knew that he wasn't drinking
2,000 gallons of orange juice.
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But the entourage managed to get
a little one way or another.
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We could not foresee the
difficulties that would lie ahead...
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as far as military service and,
of course, the Muslim affiliation.
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This is the corner where
I met Cassius Clay in 1961.
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I'm standing on the corner of Second
Avenue and Sixth Street in Miami, Florida.
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I was selling the Muhammad
Speaks newspaper...
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to propagate
the faith of Islam.
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We tried to clean
our people up.
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We were trying to be the best
citizens that American had.
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People trying to be righteous.
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We didn't smoke.
We didn't use drugs.
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We respected our women.
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We train our children to be the same way.
This is what he saw.
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Cassius Clay holler
across the street at me.
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He say, "Hey, brother,
why are we called Negroes?"
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Why are we called Negroes?
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"Why are we blind,
deaf and dumb?"
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Why are we deaf,
dumb and blind?
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Why is everybody
making progress...
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and yet we lag so far behind?
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I say, "Hey, man. You hip
to the teachings then."
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He say, "Yeah, man."
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Well, I took it on myself
to program him, we might say,
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keep after him to become
a Muslim in the Nation of Islam.
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But I wasn't the first one
he heard it from,
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'cause he heard it mainly from that
record Minister Farrakhan put out...
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"White Man's Heaven
is a Black Man's Hell."
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♪ When the slave
master wanted to have some sport ♪
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♪ He would heap on our parents
cruelties of the worst sort ♪
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♪ Burn them at stake ♪
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♪ Hang them on trees ♪
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♪ His ears were deaf
to our parents' pleas ♪
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♪ Oh, my friend,
it's easy to tell ♪
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♪ White man heaven
is a black man hell ♪♪
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When Cassius
Marcellus Clay heard the song...
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"A White Man's Heaven
is a Black Man's Hell"...
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which is still true
to this very day...
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then he wanted to become
a part of a movement...
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that would free the minds and
hearts and spirit of our people.
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So he became a follower
of the Nation of Islam.
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Black people at that time
were tremendously vulnerable.
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Remember, we had no... There was really
no advocate for the black community...
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other than Martin Luther King
and the civil rights movement.
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But we wanted to overcome
yesterday, not someday.
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So the whole
civil rights motif...
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was not attractive to us.
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The overalls and the Southern
agrarian accoutrement...
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that they were fond of,
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this rubbed us the wrong way.
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I mean, we were city guys,
you know.
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We wanted to look cool
and urbane.
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We didn't want to act as if we
were farm workers, you know.
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1962,
I took Cassius Clay to Detroit.
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I kind of introduced him
to Malcolm at that time.
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It is time for you and me
to stand up for ourselves.
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The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
teaches us...
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don't let the white man
speak for you...
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and don't let the white man
fight for you.
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I think Malcolm
X was absolutely critical...
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to bringing Ali in
to the Nation of Islam.
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He was charismatic and Ali
was equally charismatic.
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And Ali was not very
sophisticated politically.
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I think Malcolm simply bowled him over
with his wisdom and his eloquence.
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Egypt was judged
for enslaving the Hebrews.
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God destroyed them.
This was the Judgment Day in their day.
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Today, America's faced
with the same thing.
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If she doesn't let us go with the Honorable
Elijah Muhammad out of this country,
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then America will be destroyed just
as surely as Egypt was destroyed...
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and Babylon was destroyed.
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I came into the
Nation of Islam in 1950.
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The minister
was talking about...
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this cross...
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that black people
had been nailed to.
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Said their hands had been nailed to the
cross where they couldn't use them...
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to work for themselves.
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Their feet had been nailed
to this cross...
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where they couldn't travel
as free men.
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A crown of thorns had been
crushed into their brain...
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where they were unable
to think for themselves.
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And at that moment,
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it appeared as though that...
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you know,
when you turn a light on...
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bling, it clicked on
in my head.
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The Nation of Islam will say,
"Well, this is white America.
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Why should they include you?
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This is their country. Um, don't expect
to be included in their mythology.
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Create your own mythology."
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One of the reasons why
we could never progress...
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is because we had been indoctrinated
by a culture that demeaned us.
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Christianity was widely interpreted
to be a slave-making religion.
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Islam was seen to be
a slave-breaking religion.
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Greetings to you.
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I'm Elijah Muhammad, the preacher
of freedom, justice and equality...
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for my people who has been lost
and now found.
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If you are a free man, don't say
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"I wanna make you treat me right"
and you have made a slave
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out of my fathers, mothers,
sisters and brothers for 400 years.
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No.
242
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I don't want to make you
do nothing but let me go!
243
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Do you feel that
integration is meaningless?
244
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I think integration
is completely sin.
245
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...to the black man
and white man.
246
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Separatism
is the only solution.
247
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I don't think many
members of the Nation of Islam...
248
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were concerned really with the
intricacies of the religion itself.
249
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Elijah Muhammad reinterpreted Islam
as part of a liberatory ideology.
250
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And that's the way it was
presented to the Nation of Islam.
251
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I said the earth belongs
to the black man.
252
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I don't know. There's some
mysterious force there.
253
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Because he wasn't really
a charismatic guy.
254
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But yet he had this amazing
attraction to some of the...
255
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the meanest
and most sociopathic
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members of the community,
257
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as well as righteous folk.
258
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He was indeed
a majestic leader.
259
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When I first went to Miami
training for a professional fight,
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I went to a Muslim meeting.
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And as soon as I heard it, I knew this is
what I've been looking for all of my life.
262
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Well, the man proved to me
that I was not a Negro,
263
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that Cassius Clay
was not my name,
264
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and I didn't know my language
or my culture, my religion.
265
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Today, few Negro leaders...
militant or moderate...
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feel that the Negro masses will accept
the Black Muslim social doctrine.
267
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I'm convinced that a doctrine
of black supremacy...
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is as dangerous as a doctrine
of white supremacy.
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Fear of the secret dark.
270
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They are black Muslims,
271
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a national religious cult that says it
will take over the United States...
272
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and eventually the world.
273
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Black capitalists...
they preach "build black, buy black."
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The Muslims operate 47 schools of
their own in the United States,
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including the University
of Islam in Chicago.
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Growing up in the Nation of
Islam was extraordinary.
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We were living in a nation
within a nation,
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which is this nation.
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Cassius Marcellus Clay
came to Chicago...
280
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to visit the Honorable
Elijah Muhammad's empire.
281
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He said, "This Elijah Muhammad,
282
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he called white men the devil and... I mean,
that's pretty bold.
283
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I want to meet
this powerful man."
284
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And that's where I was at.
285
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I was in the school,
and I was 10 years old.
286
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Clay, he was introduced to the
whole masses in the auditorium.
287
00:18:48,561 --> 00:18:52,163
And he stood up there
and said to us...
288
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"I'm gonna be heavyweight champion before
I'm 21. So get your autographs now."
289
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So he came to me.
He says, "Hey, little girl"...
290
00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:06,544
And he was
scribbling his name...
291
00:19:06,546 --> 00:19:10,915
I says, "Brother,
I'm gonna tell you something."
292
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And as I'm telling him this,
I'm tearing up the autograph.
293
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"And you learn who you are and you
don't have the white man's name...
294
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the slave name, you know...
295
00:19:20,927 --> 00:19:22,827
then you can come back to me
and we'll talk."
296
00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:27,098
And I opened up his hand
and put the paper in his hand.
297
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And he froze.
And he said,
298
00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:37,008
"What? Who is she?"
And I walked away.
299
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55,000 people came that night.
300
00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:59,597
You should have seen
the people. One layer.
301
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Two layers. 10,000 on each layer.
15,000, 20,000 on some.
302
00:20:05,939 --> 00:20:07,572
Four layers and a fifth layer.
303
00:20:07,574 --> 00:20:09,540
People were looking
down on the ring.
304
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,243
55,000 and Cleopatra
was at ringside.
305
00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:15,012
We don't believe it.
The fifth round came.
306
00:20:15,014 --> 00:20:17,014
I hit him.
307
00:20:17,016 --> 00:20:19,750
Yeah, I said, "Come on, sucker."
308
00:20:19,752 --> 00:20:23,087
And he said, "Break it up."
I said, "There he is."
309
00:20:23,089 --> 00:20:25,656
Let me see you close your
mouth and just keep it closed.
310
00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:28,092
- Well, you know that's impossible.
- No, no, now keep it closed.
311
00:20:28,094 --> 00:20:30,228
You know that's impossible.
I'm the greatest.
312
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And I'm knocking out all bums.
313
00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:36,133
And if you get too smart,
I'll knock you out.
314
00:20:39,938 --> 00:20:45,843
Cassius Clay
was training for the Sonny Liston fight
315
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For the heavyweight championship
316
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I wanted him to be
a registered Muslim.
317
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When you come into Islam,
we write a letter...
318
00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:56,520
saying we believe
in the teachings.
319
00:20:56,522 --> 00:20:59,056
And we put our slave name
in the letter.
320
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Those were the names the slave master
had when they owned our ancestors.
321
00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:06,931
So he wrote his letter
and sent if off to Chicago...
322
00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:11,202
and then they sent back
what we called "X."
323
00:21:11,204 --> 00:21:13,104
He became Cassius X.
324
00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:20,044
And then the promoters, they was trying
to get Ali to denounce the religion.
325
00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,212
And they told Ali,
326
00:21:21,214 --> 00:21:25,049
"You got to get rid of them
Muslim kooks...
327
00:21:25,051 --> 00:21:26,884
and Captain Sam"...
That's me...
328
00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:30,021
"and denounce that religion,
otherwise there ain't gonna be no fight."
329
00:21:30,023 --> 00:21:34,692
Well, Ali had been training all his life for
a fight for the heavyweight championship.
330
00:21:34,694 --> 00:21:37,862
So that summer
scare a man to death.
331
00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:41,666
I said, "Man,
don't believe that."
332
00:21:41,668 --> 00:21:43,134
I said, "Money's
the white man's god."
333
00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:46,037
And I said, "You the only one
who can make any money for 'em."
334
00:21:46,038 --> 00:21:46,838
I said, "Hold to your belief."
335
00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:51,842
Ali was packing up his bus to leave Miami,
and they ran over there.
336
00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:53,611
"Uh, where you goin', Champ?"
337
00:21:53,613 --> 00:21:55,079
He said, "I'm fin
to go to Louisville."
338
00:21:55,081 --> 00:21:57,148
They said, "Wait a minute.
The fight's on. The fight's on.
339
00:21:57,150 --> 00:22:00,785
You just don't say you're a Muslim.
We ain't gonna say it neither."
340
00:22:00,787 --> 00:22:03,788
Ali said, "All right,
I won't talk about it."
341
00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:11,529
Cassius Clay had no right to be
in a ring with Sonny Liston.
342
00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:22,640
He had never beaten anybody
of importance.
343
00:22:22,641 --> 00:22:23,208
He was untried.
344
00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:26,277
Jerry, I'm the greatest fighter
that ever stepped foot in the ring.
345
00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,748
But I'm getting ready to participate
in the biggest fight of all time.
346
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:31,849
More money will be
lost that night.
347
00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:36,087
This will be the biggest upset
in the century of all boxing.
348
00:22:36,089 --> 00:22:37,888
I think you're
a big bag of wind.
349
00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:40,725
Now, just hear me out.
Wait a minute. Hold it a second.
350
00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:42,960
- I think that, one...
- Bodyguards.
351
00:22:42,962 --> 00:22:44,395
Hold it.
352
00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:47,365
I think that you're the damnedest
showman that ever lived,
353
00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:48,766
- and you ain't kidding anybody.
- People...
354
00:22:48,768 --> 00:22:52,103
Will you let me finish and shut
your mouth for one minute.
355
00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:57,708
Cassius, Sonny Liston said that you should
be arrested for impersonating a fighter.
356
00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:01,712
He said you should be turned
over his knee and spanked.
357
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,783
The odds were 7-to-1.
It's very big odds...
358
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for a heavyweight
championship fight.
359
00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:11,689
I'm just ready to fight.
And I'm glad it'll be here...
360
00:23:11,691 --> 00:23:14,058
where all these bigmouth people
here in Miami...
361
00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:16,694
talking about I talk too much
and Liston's gonna whup me.
362
00:23:16,696 --> 00:23:20,698
Well, I want all of them to be there.
And I'm gonna shut up all of you's mouths.
363
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:25,035
The challenger from
Louisville, Kentucky...
364
00:23:25,037 --> 00:23:27,037
Cassius Clay.
365
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,975
- Clay.
- Cassius Marcellus Clay, 22 years of age.
366
00:23:30,977 --> 00:23:33,010
Going for all the marbles
in the boxing business.
367
00:23:33,012 --> 00:23:37,214
In my opinion, fights are always won
with fists and not with mouth talk.
368
00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:38,916
I pick Liston to win
by the fifth round.
369
00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:42,086
- It has to be Liston.
- Liston is a much bigger puncher.
370
00:23:42,088 --> 00:23:44,889
- The fifth round.
- Oh, I think in the third.
371
00:23:44,891 --> 00:23:48,492
I'm not quite sure that anything
human can hurt Sonny Liston.
372
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,670
Cassius Clay
on the move as we see.
373
00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:03,674
The right hand!
The best punch of the fight so far!
374
00:24:03,676 --> 00:24:06,710
It was not a heavyweight
championship fight physically.
375
00:24:06,711 --> 00:24:07,412
There was more to it than that.
376
00:24:07,413 --> 00:24:11,816
I looked at all of the historic things
that were taking place on this earth,
377
00:24:11,818 --> 00:24:16,821
and to me, time itself
was on Cassius's side.
378
00:24:17,923 --> 00:24:23,060
- - Seconds
remaining in the sixth.
379
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,332
The crowd now cheering
the challenger.
380
00:24:28,334 --> 00:24:31,769
What do you think is going on
in Sonny's mind at this point?
381
00:24:31,771 --> 00:24:33,571
Well,
I think Sonny's beginning to worry now.
382
00:24:33,573 --> 00:24:35,673
- At least his corner's beginning to worry.
383
00:24:35,675 --> 00:24:41,178
They might be stopping it.
That might be all, ladies and gentlemen.
384
00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:44,081
It's a technical knockout.
385
00:24:47,052 --> 00:24:49,954
Okay, get Cassius Clay...
Wait! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
386
00:24:49,956 --> 00:24:52,823
At the black
Muslims convention in Chicago,
387
00:24:52,825 --> 00:24:57,795
Elijah Muhammad came closer than anyone
so far in proclaiming Clay a member.
388
00:24:57,797 --> 00:25:00,297
Clay has hinted that he is
at least on the fringe.
389
00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:03,767
Elijah Muhammad all but
pushed him across.
390
00:25:03,769 --> 00:25:05,736
The enemy wanted him
391
00:25:05,738 --> 00:25:09,273
to come out all blasted.
392
00:25:09,975 --> 00:25:12,343
They had said the he would
393
00:25:12,345 --> 00:25:15,412
Liston would tear up
that pretty face of yours.
394
00:25:19,084 --> 00:25:22,486
But Allah and myself said,
"No, no"
395
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:28,192
God's with me!
Can't nobody be against me!
396
00:25:28,194 --> 00:25:29,593
I shook up the world!
397
00:25:29,595 --> 00:25:32,496
I know God!
I know the real God!
398
00:25:32,498 --> 00:25:35,399
You must listen to me!
399
00:25:36,902 --> 00:25:39,270
You tell it, boy.
400
00:25:39,272 --> 00:25:43,340
The morning after,
he was very subdued.
401
00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:46,076
I don't have to talk no more.
I done proved my point.
402
00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:50,047
All I have to do is just be a nice,
clean gentleman. That's all.
403
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:52,350
Nice, clean gentleman.
404
00:25:52,351 --> 00:25:58,055
At that moment,
all the older reporters walked away.
405
00:25:58,057 --> 00:25:59,924
And then one young reporter
said,
406
00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:04,562
"What about the rumor that
you're a card-carrying Muslim?"
407
00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:08,165
And he... What...
You know, what does that mean?
408
00:26:08,167 --> 00:26:10,134
I like everybody.
409
00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:11,936
I treat everybody right.
410
00:26:11,937 --> 00:26:12,604
"What about segregation?
411
00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:17,541
Don't you want to be part of the civil
rights struggle? Integration?" He said, "No."
412
00:26:17,543 --> 00:26:20,911
I don't have to be
what you want me to be.
413
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:24,181
I'm free to be what I want to be
and think what I want to think.
414
00:26:24,183 --> 00:26:27,451
That was kind of his
Declaration of Independence.
415
00:26:27,453 --> 00:26:31,288
This is complete freedom, not just a
cup of coffee or a seat in a school...
416
00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:34,058
or a token...
This is real.
417
00:26:36,027 --> 00:26:41,031
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad say he was
too big of a man to carry that "X"...
418
00:26:41,033 --> 00:26:44,101
and named him Muhammad Ali.
419
00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:47,204
I remember the exact moment
we told my dad and mom.
420
00:26:47,206 --> 00:26:51,909
We said, "The Honorable Elijah
Muhammad gave us our name"
421
00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:53,277
They became very angry.
422
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,045
They said,
"What in the world do you mean?"
423
00:26:55,047 --> 00:27:01,051
My brother said, "Dad, I'm Muhammad Ali."
You got to accept it.
424
00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:01,920
What does it mean?
425
00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:07,124
"Muhammad" means "worthy of all praises"
and "Ali" means "most high."
426
00:27:08,026 --> 00:27:12,262
At theNew York Times,
the top editor felt...
427
00:27:12,264 --> 00:27:13,330
we met you as Cassius Clay.
428
00:27:13,332 --> 00:27:19,403
Until you go into a court of law and
change your name, you are Cassius Clay.
429
00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:21,105
And it really
kind of bothered me.
430
00:27:21,107 --> 00:27:24,875
Nobody asked John Wayne or Rock
Hudson what their names were.
431
00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:27,444
But I tried to slip it in
when I could.
432
00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:33,217
I usually ended up writing "Muhammad Ali,
a.k.a. Cassius Clay."
433
00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:36,353
His change of name,
what did it threaten?
434
00:27:36,355 --> 00:27:40,357
If he was white, they would be referring
to him as the All-American boy.
435
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,526
It was an
affront to many Americans...
436
00:27:42,528 --> 00:27:44,428
that the heavyweight
champion of the world...
437
00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:47,898
would reject American identity
and all of that entails...
438
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:52,102
for something as obscure and
cultish as the Nation of Islam.
439
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:55,039
- Cassius, you're... -
I'm not Cassius. You still calling me...
440
00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:58,509
- Or Muhammad, you're talking...
- I'm not no white man.
441
00:27:58,511 --> 00:28:02,046
So you want to keep calling me a
white man's name. I'm not white.
442
00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:04,682
I don't want to be called
after your name no more.
443
00:28:04,684 --> 00:28:08,285
I'm not no slave.
I'm Muhammad Ali.
444
00:28:13,258 --> 00:28:15,626
I was working in the bakery...
445
00:28:15,628 --> 00:28:19,296
and he would go in
and he would say,
446
00:28:19,298 --> 00:28:23,600
"I know your name.
I know your name."
447
00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:28,972
And I'd say, "Well, whoop-de-do."
I says that.
448
00:28:28,974 --> 00:28:35,512
He says, "And I got a name of culture now.
My name is Muhammad Ali."
449
00:28:39,985 --> 00:28:43,153
Now that he gave me the beautiful
name of Muhammad Ali...
450
00:28:43,155 --> 00:28:45,989
and took away that slave name
of Cassius Clay,
451
00:28:45,991 --> 00:28:47,624
now I can go all over the world.
452
00:28:47,626 --> 00:28:51,662
All over the world!
453
00:28:52,263 --> 00:28:56,934
Muslims all over the world
who never followed boxing said,
454
00:28:56,936 --> 00:28:58,402
"Ooh! Look.
455
00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:05,042
There's a Muslim in America
named Muhammad Ali.
456
00:29:05,044 --> 00:29:10,214
Those are big, big names
in the Islamic world.
457
00:29:10,715 --> 00:29:15,052
His international appeal,
it was vast.
458
00:29:15,053 --> 00:29:15,520
Welcome.
459
00:29:15,521 --> 00:29:18,522
The young people of Ghana
want to welcome you.
460
00:29:18,524 --> 00:29:21,625
Ghana, Nigeria,
Pakistan and Turkey,
461
00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:25,062
they call me
their champion too.
462
00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:28,398
I was surprised.
The whole world was watching it.
463
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,001
- They sure were.
- Yeah.
464
00:29:43,915 --> 00:29:46,150
What kind of impression
do you try to leave...
465
00:29:46,152 --> 00:29:47,684
on the nations
you visit over there?
466
00:29:47,686 --> 00:29:53,090
Well, uh,
just as a clean-living Muslim.
467
00:29:53,092 --> 00:29:57,227
Letting them know they have hundreds and
thousands of brothers here in America.
468
00:29:57,229 --> 00:29:59,797
All of these are Muslim
countries that I've been to.
469
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:01,698
He's in a better position
than anyone else...
470
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:06,336
to restore the racial pride to not
only our people in this country,
471
00:30:06,338 --> 00:30:07,571
but all over the world.
472
00:30:07,573 --> 00:30:11,241
As-salaam alaikum.
473
00:30:11,243 --> 00:30:14,244
I've been all over into
the deepest parts of Africa...
474
00:30:14,246 --> 00:30:20,150
and Egypt, and everybody knows and are
talking about the Muslims in America.
475
00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:22,686
Everybody.
476
00:30:23,121 --> 00:30:27,658
And if it was not for the teachings
of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad...
477
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:30,093
not bragging,
but a man in my position...
478
00:30:30,095 --> 00:30:33,230
that would be the last place
I would go is Africa and Egypt.
479
00:30:33,232 --> 00:30:38,569
The first stop would have been Paris,
London, France, like the rest of them.
480
00:30:46,644 --> 00:30:51,348
He hired Elijah
Muhammad's son to be his "manager."
481
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:57,154
But it was very clear that he didn't really mean
manager like the Louisville Sponsoring Group.
482
00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,755
How many managers do you have?
483
00:30:58,757 --> 00:31:03,093
Oh, I have 11 backers.
I don't... I have one manager.
484
00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:04,194
They flattered him.
485
00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:10,200
They treated him as a very important person,
which, of course, he was.
486
00:31:10,202 --> 00:31:12,336
They made him a hero.
487
00:31:12,338 --> 00:31:13,570
He didn't live
in Louisville anymore.
488
00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:18,475
But he was never introduced as anything
except from Louisville, Kentucky.
489
00:31:18,477 --> 00:31:23,347
To a boxer, that's not a small thing,
how you're announced.
490
00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:29,086
Ali kept his word on every
fight that we made for him.
491
00:31:29,088 --> 00:31:35,926
And he never argued about black
or white problems with us.
492
00:31:35,928 --> 00:31:38,161
I think Ali probably told
the Muslims
493
00:31:38,163 --> 00:31:42,065
don't mess with the
Louisville Sponsoring Group.
494
00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:44,434
Leave them alone.
495
00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:49,806
I understand that you're headed
to meet with Elijah Muhammad.
496
00:31:49,808 --> 00:31:52,609
- Yes, sir. Having dinner with him.
- Uh-huh.
497
00:31:52,611 --> 00:31:55,846
One of the main reasons is your
friendship with Malcolm X.
498
00:31:55,848 --> 00:31:59,483
- He's a friend of yours now, isn't he?
- Yeah. He is a brother of mine.
499
00:31:59,485 --> 00:32:02,519
- He's my brother. Whatever he do,
he's my brother. - Uh-huh.
500
00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:03,620
Now that he's split away
from the...
501
00:32:03,622 --> 00:32:07,758
I don't know about splitting. I'll have
to see the higher authority on that.
502
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,793
There's been great
publicity given to the fact...
503
00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:13,330
that heavyweight champion Cassius
Clay is one of your followers.
504
00:32:13,332 --> 00:32:15,632
Well, Cassius is following
Elijah Muhammad.
505
00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:21,838
And, uh, I'm no longer a follower
of Elijah Muhammad myself.
506
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,907
And I think that
the black Muslim movement,
507
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:27,711
if it doesn't adopt
the Sunni practice of Islam,
508
00:32:27,713 --> 00:32:30,614
that it will disintegrate
and fall apart.
509
00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:33,517
There's no organization
in this country...
510
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,954
that could do more
for the struggling black man...
511
00:32:36,956 --> 00:32:40,757
than the black Muslim movement
if it wanted to.
512
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,560
But it has gotten
into the possession...
513
00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,429
of a man who's become senile,
514
00:32:45,431 --> 00:32:48,732
and then he has surrounded
himself by his children...
515
00:32:48,734 --> 00:32:52,369
who are now in power
and want nothing but luxury...
516
00:32:52,371 --> 00:32:55,472
and will do anything to
safeguard their own interests.
517
00:32:55,474 --> 00:33:02,474
People like myself and Ali,
we were in the valley of decision.
518
00:33:02,715 --> 00:33:06,717
Should I follow a man
that taught me...
519
00:33:06,719 --> 00:33:11,788
or should I follow the teacher
of the man who taught me?
520
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:14,691
Elijah Muhammad called
all of his officials...
521
00:33:14,693 --> 00:33:17,594
national officials
to Chicago in October...
522
00:33:17,596 --> 00:33:23,367
and ordered them to kill
or maim any of his followers...
523
00:33:23,369 --> 00:33:25,736
who leave him to follow me.
524
00:33:25,738 --> 00:33:28,005
Does this split disturb you
that's been reported?
525
00:33:28,007 --> 00:33:32,175
No. What Malcolm X does is his business.
He's one man.
526
00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:37,881
Muhammad Ali chose to go
with the establishment, so to speak.
527
00:33:37,883 --> 00:33:42,819
Elijah Muhammad has given
his blessing to a new recruiter...
528
00:33:42,821 --> 00:33:45,355
Cassius Muhammad Ali Clay.
529
00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:48,592
We are the greatest!
530
00:33:48,594 --> 00:33:50,494
Clay is no Malcolm X,
531
00:33:50,496 --> 00:33:54,531
but he has become
an idol for youngsters.
532
00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:57,300
A lot of Malcolmites
who were following Malcolm...
533
00:33:57,302 --> 00:34:00,604
were really not equally attracted
to the Nation of Islam.
534
00:34:00,606 --> 00:34:04,307
They were attracted to Malcolm's audacity,
his eloquence...
535
00:34:04,309 --> 00:34:08,779
and his vision, which, in some ways,
elaborated the vision of the Nation of Islam.
536
00:34:08,781 --> 00:34:13,850
I pray that God will bless you
in everything that you do.
537
00:34:14,352 --> 00:34:17,888
I pray that you
will grow intellectually...
538
00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:20,690
so that you can understand
the problems of the world...
539
00:34:20,692 --> 00:34:24,928
and where you fit into
in that world picture.
540
00:34:34,073 --> 00:34:36,940
He's a hero to me.
He stood out among all black people.
541
00:34:36,942 --> 00:34:38,442
He showed the white man
where it was at.
542
00:34:38,444 --> 00:34:40,710
Who do you believe is
responsible for Malcolm X's death?
543
00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:41,912
The white power structure
is America is behind it.
544
00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:46,950
And they're quick to capitalize on it by
saying that one of his own kind did it.
545
00:34:46,952 --> 00:34:49,586
But they put it up to be done.
546
00:34:54,725 --> 00:34:59,863
Now, I give him credit for the good work he
done when he was with the Nation of Islam.
547
00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:02,365
We didn't have nobody better.
548
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,203
But Elijah Muhammad made him.
549
00:35:06,471 --> 00:35:07,737
When Malcolm was a good man...
550
00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:10,740
preaching the teachings of
the Honorable Elijah Muhammad,
551
00:35:10,742 --> 00:35:13,477
I would have
gave my life for him.
552
00:35:13,479 --> 00:35:15,579
But when he turned viciously...
553
00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:17,747
against the Honorable
Elijah Muhammad,
554
00:35:17,749 --> 00:35:21,618
if I could have got ahold of him,
I might have killed him myself.
555
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,553
But we didn't kill him.
'Cause you know why?
556
00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:25,989
Because we took orders from
the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
557
00:35:25,991 --> 00:35:28,758
He told us not to touch him.
Let him just go.
558
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,029
Malcolm is the victim
of his own preaching.
559
00:35:33,031 --> 00:35:35,765
He preached violence,
and so he become the victim of it.
560
00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:39,636
So many things have
been said wrong about Malcolm X.
561
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:44,474
Malcolm X was
a very nice person.
562
00:35:44,542 --> 00:35:48,812
The Bible says "He without sin
cast the first stone."
563
00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,580
That's a strong statement.
564
00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:56,686
The night that
Malcolm X was killed,
565
00:35:56,688 --> 00:36:01,391
there was a fire
in Ali's apartment.
566
00:36:02,026 --> 00:36:05,829
The implication
was that it was arson.
567
00:36:06,464 --> 00:36:09,666
That it was some
sort of revenge.
568
00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:10,934
Uh, I don't know.
569
00:36:10,936 --> 00:36:16,940
I think there's no question that Ali
had to have been scared himself.
570
00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:18,909
Malcolm, in many ways,
571
00:36:18,911 --> 00:36:23,146
was a more important political
figure than Muhammad Ali.
572
00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:29,553
I mean, if you could waste him,
you could certainly waste Ali.
573
00:36:29,555 --> 00:36:31,888
He was still just a boxer.
574
00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:37,127
I feel for his life because the
condition the world is in today.
575
00:36:37,129 --> 00:36:40,163
And, uh, you never know
what's going to happen...
576
00:36:40,165 --> 00:36:42,165
when you're in public life
like he is.
577
00:36:42,167 --> 00:36:47,137
And I'm much concerned about the
fire that started in his apartment.
578
00:36:47,139 --> 00:36:50,907
And I do wish that he would
withdraw from this movement...
579
00:36:50,909 --> 00:36:54,010
because I am awful worried
about him.
580
00:36:54,012 --> 00:36:56,046
We raised him
to be a Christian...
581
00:36:56,048 --> 00:36:59,883
and took him to church every
Sunday when he was small...
582
00:36:59,885 --> 00:37:04,187
on up till he got out, you know,
in the world on his own.
583
00:37:04,189 --> 00:37:08,225
And then he got in this organization
which we do not approve of at all.
584
00:37:08,227 --> 00:37:11,661
Your mother was quoted
yesterday in Louisville as saying...
585
00:37:11,663 --> 00:37:13,096
that she felt you ought to
leave the Muslim movement.
586
00:37:13,098 --> 00:37:16,499
- How do you feel about... - It's natural
for a mother to be worried about her son...
587
00:37:16,501 --> 00:37:20,537
with the press writing all of these
things about somebody's life's in danger.
588
00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:21,871
You know how the press
can blow things up...
589
00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:25,275
and make it look like we
in a war with some black people.
590
00:37:25,277 --> 00:37:27,744
We not at war with nobody.
591
00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:30,513
And I'm walking the
streets daily by myself.
592
00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:34,217
And, uh, if anybody want me,
they can find me.
593
00:37:34,219 --> 00:37:38,121
Malcolm X and anybody else
who attacks, uh...
594
00:37:38,123 --> 00:37:41,258
talks about attacking
Elijah Muhammad will die.
595
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:48,260
No man can oppose the message of Almighty
God, uh, verbally or physically...
596
00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:50,700
and get away with it.
597
00:37:58,709 --> 00:38:05,282
Floyd Patterson didn't think that there
should be a Muslim heavyweight champion.
598
00:38:05,284 --> 00:38:10,020
Refused to call Ali
by his new name.
599
00:38:10,022 --> 00:38:12,922
Cassius Clay
doesn't fully understand...
600
00:38:12,924 --> 00:38:16,126
what the black Muslim
stands for.
601
00:38:16,994 --> 00:38:19,029
It's like the Ku Klux Klan.
602
00:38:19,031 --> 00:38:23,566
I think that hurts
the championship quite a bit.
603
00:38:26,871 --> 00:38:29,005
Oh,
I'm gonna have to give him a good whipping.
604
00:38:29,007 --> 00:38:35,712
And I have entitled it
"A Floyd Patterson Humiliation Punishment."
605
00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:47,190
Floyd was kind
of a hero to us at one point.
606
00:38:47,192 --> 00:38:50,960
You know, a black heavyweight champion is
always a big hit in the black community.
607
00:38:50,962 --> 00:38:54,964
But when he came up
against Muhammad Ali,
608
00:38:54,966 --> 00:38:57,267
he was fighting the fight
of America...
609
00:38:57,269 --> 00:39:00,737
doing the job of slaying
the militant Negro.
610
00:39:00,739 --> 00:39:02,906
I was at the
Floyd Patterson fight.
611
00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:07,177
The man was bent over like
somebody with osteoporosis.
612
00:39:07,179 --> 00:39:12,649
He couldn't really defend himself.
The fight should have been stopped.
613
00:39:12,651 --> 00:39:16,720
One or two good combinations
and he'd be gone.
614
00:39:16,722 --> 00:39:22,058
I think he carried Floyd Patterson just
so that he could inflict the punishment.
615
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:26,763
The champion
continues to be on target.
616
00:39:27,498 --> 00:39:29,733
It was disgusting.
617
00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:33,169
Muhammad Ali had
prolonged the punishment...
618
00:39:33,171 --> 00:39:36,172
to make sure Patterson
understood his offense.
619
00:39:36,174 --> 00:39:39,809
It perfectly harmonized with our
feelings about Floyd Patterson.
620
00:39:39,811 --> 00:39:43,113
So Muhammad Ali became
even more heroic.
621
00:39:44,816 --> 00:39:48,351
It was a truly terrible moment
in boxing,
622
00:39:48,353 --> 00:39:51,988
as was the way he took apart
Ernie Terrell.
623
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:53,289
I don't usually
make predictions,
624
00:39:53,291 --> 00:39:56,860
but I see Clay with
such limited ability...
625
00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:58,395
that I'm predicting
that I will knock him out.
626
00:39:58,397 --> 00:40:04,067
My name is Muhammad Ali, and you will announce
it right there in the center of that ring...
627
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:06,169
after the fight
if you don't do it now.
628
00:40:06,171 --> 00:40:10,173
You are acting just like
an old Uncle Tom.
629
00:40:10,175 --> 00:40:13,343
In this age of
beatification of Muhammad Ali,
630
00:40:13,345 --> 00:40:17,280
we forget just how great
a fighter he was.
631
00:40:17,282 --> 00:40:23,953
And I don't think it's possible to be a
great fighter unless you have a mean streak.
632
00:40:23,954 --> 00:40:24,889
He had it.
633
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:28,291
Ali continues
to scream at Terrell.
634
00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:30,326
He beat the hell out of those
635
00:40:30,328 --> 00:40:32,762
who didn't want
to use his name.
636
00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:37,400
"My name is Muhammad Ali.
What's my name?" Bam, bam, bam.
637
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:42,071
- - And that's the bell.
638
00:40:42,073 --> 00:40:43,907
Ali continues his taunts.
639
00:40:43,909 --> 00:40:47,243
Ali was exemplifying
a freedom...
640
00:40:47,245 --> 00:40:50,880
that most black people
did not enjoy.
641
00:40:53,351 --> 00:40:59,422
So that made him
loved by some and hated by others.
642
00:40:59,424 --> 00:41:03,359
There's a rule in boxing.
They say this fella has a killer instinct...
643
00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:04,961
or he don't have
a killer instinct.
644
00:41:04,963 --> 00:41:10,066
But I call it aggressive...
aggressive instinct.
645
00:41:10,068 --> 00:41:12,168
Uh, we're not out
to kill nobody.
646
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:19,170
I don't know if my conscience would
let me live if I even killed someone.
647
00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:30,220
This is really war.
648
00:41:30,287 --> 00:41:32,922
It is guided by North Vietnam.
649
00:41:32,924 --> 00:41:37,894
Its goal is to defeat
American power.
650
00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,899
Muhammad Ali gets a phone call.
651
00:41:42,901 --> 00:41:46,870
And he runs in,
answers the phone,
652
00:41:46,872 --> 00:41:49,472
comes back and he is wild.
653
00:41:49,474 --> 00:41:56,179
And he tells me that he had
just been reclassified 1-A.
654
00:41:57,414 --> 00:41:59,315
And another thing
I don't understand...
655
00:41:59,317 --> 00:42:05,722
is why me, a man who pays the salary
of at least 50,000 men in Vietnam,
656
00:42:05,724 --> 00:42:10,894
a man who the government takes six million
dollars from a year out in two fights,
657
00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:16,266
a man who can pay, in two fights,
for three bomber planes,
658
00:42:16,268 --> 00:42:19,536
why would you take
and seek out and be anxious...
659
00:42:19,538 --> 00:42:22,872
to call me out of 30 men
who you could have called?
660
00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:24,507
And I'm fighting for
the government every day.
661
00:42:24,509 --> 00:42:28,511
In other words, you think they called you
only because you're the heavyweight champion...
662
00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:32,248
And a Muslim too.
Ever since I've joined the Muslim religion,
663
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:33,449
I've been catching hell
from here...
664
00:42:33,451 --> 00:42:36,853
Somebody said,
"So, you could be drafted...
665
00:42:36,855 --> 00:42:40,790
and you're gonna go in the army
and you're gonna go to Vietnam...
666
00:42:40,792 --> 00:42:42,458
and you're gonna be on
the front lines...
667
00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:44,093
and you're gonna have to
kill Vietcong.
668
00:42:44,095 --> 00:42:46,162
I mean, how do you feel
about all of this?"
669
00:42:46,164 --> 00:42:50,433
And he said, "I ain't got
nothing against them Vietcong."
670
00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:57,373
I mean, that... that was carved
in the stone facade of history.
671
00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:59,309
And then later on,
672
00:42:59,311 --> 00:43:00,410
it was embellished...
673
00:43:00,412 --> 00:43:03,479
"I ain't got no quarrel
with them Vietcong."
674
00:43:03,481 --> 00:43:07,083
"No Vietcong ever
called me nigger."
675
00:43:07,217 --> 00:43:11,588
I'm asking you if you apologize for
the unpatriotic remarks that you made.
676
00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:14,624
I'm not apologizing for nothing
like that because I don't have to.
677
00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:19,529
I'm just apologizing for what I said
to the newspapers and to the press.
678
00:43:19,531 --> 00:43:24,233
- Mr. Clay...
- Muhammad Ali, sir.
679
00:43:24,235 --> 00:43:27,971
- Or Mr. Muhammad Ali, either one.
- Yes, sir. Just Muhammad Ali.
680
00:43:27,973 --> 00:43:31,040
When you appeared before
this commission before,
681
00:43:31,042 --> 00:43:32,208
if I recall correctly,
682
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:35,878
- you said you were the people's champion?
- Yes, sir.
683
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,849
Do you think that you're acting
like a people's champion?
684
00:43:39,851 --> 00:43:42,051
Yes, sir.
685
00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:52,095
Members of the group went to various
reserve units, uh, in the community...
686
00:43:52,097 --> 00:43:58,001
to see whether or not they would
take him in in the National Guard...
687
00:43:58,003 --> 00:44:01,337
or the Navy Reserve
or whatever.
688
00:44:01,339 --> 00:44:02,905
They all said they would.
689
00:44:02,907 --> 00:44:07,043
We felt that he would be
a Joe Louis.
690
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:10,113
Joe Louis served
and never carried a gun.
691
00:44:10,115 --> 00:44:12,448
But he boxed,
wore the uniform...
692
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:15,985
and did a fine service
to his country.
693
00:44:20,257 --> 00:44:23,292
I got a call and Ali said,
694
00:44:23,294 --> 00:44:28,231
"If I went to war, I would probably be in
one of them boxing things like Joe Louis.
695
00:44:28,233 --> 00:44:30,400
I wouldn't be really
fighting in the war."
696
00:44:30,402 --> 00:44:32,235
I says, "That's not the point.
697
00:44:32,237 --> 00:44:38,107
You have to understand that once
you sign your name to that army,
698
00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:42,645
then you are
their slave forever.
699
00:44:42,647 --> 00:44:44,080
Okay?
700
00:44:44,082 --> 00:44:47,150
So just say hell no,
you ain't gonna go.
701
00:44:47,152 --> 00:44:50,119
Rhyme it.
Do what you do best.
702
00:44:50,121 --> 00:44:54,357
Those people over there in
Vietnam did not lynch you,
703
00:44:54,359 --> 00:44:57,226
did not break up your family.
704
00:44:57,228 --> 00:45:01,030
Those Vietnamese people
are your brothers.
705
00:45:01,032 --> 00:45:04,033
This was a wrongful war.
706
00:45:04,035 --> 00:45:06,602
War is wrong. Period.
707
00:45:11,241 --> 00:45:14,977
War is made from the devil."
708
00:45:21,285 --> 00:45:25,321
I was sitting in my office in
Louisville and the phone rang...
709
00:45:25,322 --> 00:45:26,256
and it was Angelo Dundee.
710
00:45:26,257 --> 00:45:32,528
And he said the champ is gonna announce
he's gonna be a conscientious objector,
711
00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:36,065
and he's not gonna
take that step forward.
712
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,068
And I said, "Oh."
713
00:45:39,070 --> 00:45:42,472
I said, uh,
"I'll be right up there."
714
00:45:44,975 --> 00:45:50,113
The conscientious objector
thing was a complete shock.
715
00:45:52,616 --> 00:45:55,318
A conscientious objector,
as a matter of law,
716
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:02,320
was that if you believed that you should
not kill somebody or carry a weapon...
717
00:46:02,627 --> 00:46:07,663
or participate in an activity
which would result in death,
718
00:46:07,665 --> 00:46:11,234
that you did not have to serve.
719
00:46:11,236 --> 00:46:13,569
I personally told him...
720
00:46:13,571 --> 00:46:18,374
that this was gonna cost him
millions of dollars.
721
00:46:18,376 --> 00:46:20,476
And then I went over,
chapter and verse,
722
00:46:20,478 --> 00:46:24,180
the contracts that were
on my desk to be signed...
723
00:46:24,182 --> 00:46:28,084
would not be offered
to him again.
724
00:46:28,185 --> 00:46:31,154
If he
had not become Muhammad Ali,
725
00:46:31,156 --> 00:46:32,455
he'd have been Cassius Clay,
726
00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:34,557
and he would have went
into that army.
727
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:36,125
'Cause he asked me straight up.
728
00:46:36,127 --> 00:46:39,195
He said, "What would you do
if you was in my shoes?"
729
00:46:39,197 --> 00:46:40,630
I said, "I'd do what
Elijah Muhammad done."
730
00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:43,666
He said, "What would he did?"
I said, "He went to jail."
731
00:46:43,668 --> 00:46:48,404
Elijah Muhammad
went to prison for five years.
732
00:46:48,406 --> 00:46:52,074
For sedition and draft dodging,
733
00:46:52,076 --> 00:46:54,110
they called it.
734
00:46:54,112 --> 00:46:57,213
He set the standard.
735
00:46:57,948 --> 00:46:59,415
The contract with the
736
00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:02,451
Louisville Sponsoring
Group was expiring.
737
00:47:02,453 --> 00:47:04,754
The group...
they were disappointed,
738
00:47:04,756 --> 00:47:08,224
and one or two didn't want
to be affiliated with...
739
00:47:08,226 --> 00:47:13,262
It was more of the draft business
than it was the Muslim business.
740
00:47:13,264 --> 00:47:15,731
Although that was part of it.
741
00:47:15,733 --> 00:47:20,736
He called all members
to say thanks and shake hands,
742
00:47:20,738 --> 00:47:24,607
and au revoir.
743
00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:37,687
And I will say here
boldly now on television...
744
00:47:37,689 --> 00:47:38,689
no.
745
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:43,159
I will not go 10,000 miles
from here...
746
00:47:43,161 --> 00:47:48,197
to help murder and kill
another poor people...
747
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:52,468
simply to continue
the domination...
748
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:59,242
of white slave masters over the
darker people of the earth.
749
00:47:59,409 --> 00:48:03,179
You fight when you
have something to fight for.
750
00:48:03,181 --> 00:48:04,413
But what are we fighting for?
751
00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:09,418
To tell me that I'm
fighting for America...
752
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:11,821
and her way of life.
753
00:48:11,823 --> 00:48:14,957
What is her way of life?
754
00:48:15,492 --> 00:48:17,827
To come back home
to injustice...
755
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:21,564
with all these medals
on our chest?
756
00:48:21,565 --> 00:48:22,432
Hell, no.
757
00:48:22,433 --> 00:48:25,902
Mr. Muhammad Ali has just
refused to be inducted...
758
00:48:25,904 --> 00:48:27,737
into the United States
Armed Forces.
759
00:48:27,739 --> 00:48:32,441
Notification of his refusal is being
made to the United States Attorney...
760
00:48:32,443 --> 00:48:34,477
and the local
Selective Service Board...
761
00:48:34,479 --> 00:48:36,412
for whatever action
deem to be appropriate.
762
00:48:36,414 --> 00:48:42,385
And so it is all over for the heavyweight
champion of the world, Muhammad Ali.
763
00:48:42,387 --> 00:48:44,887
What happens now to his title?
764
00:48:44,889 --> 00:48:46,522
He will doubtless
be stripped of it...
765
00:48:46,524 --> 00:48:49,292
by every state boxing commission
in this country...
766
00:48:49,294 --> 00:48:50,927
and by
the World Boxing Association.
767
00:48:50,929 --> 00:48:53,496
All type of moves
have been made against me...
768
00:48:53,498 --> 00:48:55,898
that's never been made before
in the history of boxing.
769
00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:00,503
Regardless of the ultimate
disposition of his case legally,
770
00:49:00,505 --> 00:49:04,173
he will no longer be
the champion.
771
00:49:09,313 --> 00:49:14,884
Well, now that they've taken Cassius Clay's
title away, do you think they should have?
772
00:49:14,886 --> 00:49:17,687
Well, I don't know.
I think they should, yes.
773
00:49:17,689 --> 00:49:20,623
I think that any man who don't
wanna fight for his country,
774
00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:23,526
I don't think he should have
the honor of being champion.
775
00:49:23,527 --> 00:49:24,294
The tragedy to me is...
776
00:49:24,295 --> 00:49:29,532
that Cassius has made millions of
dollars off of the American public.
777
00:49:29,534 --> 00:49:33,502
And now he's not willing
to show his appreciation.
778
00:49:33,504 --> 00:49:35,071
Hurts the morale of a lot of
779
00:49:35,073 --> 00:49:37,473
young Negro soldiers
over in Vietnam.
780
00:49:37,475 --> 00:49:38,841
You won't fight
for your country?
781
00:49:38,843 --> 00:49:41,610
- You refuse to go into the...
- I'm a minister. My religion.
782
00:49:41,612 --> 00:49:42,845
This country
has laws for ministers.
783
00:49:42,847 --> 00:49:44,747
- Are you an ordained minister?
- By my leader.
784
00:49:44,749 --> 00:49:49,885
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
Almighty God Allah fights battles for us.
785
00:49:49,887 --> 00:49:52,822
We are forbidden
to carry anything like a weapon.
786
00:49:52,824 --> 00:49:54,690
We are peaceful people.
787
00:49:54,692 --> 00:49:56,459
Do you think
there's anything wrong...
788
00:49:56,461 --> 00:50:00,896
in someone like Cassius Clay,
Muhammad Ali, in refusing induction?
789
00:50:00,898 --> 00:50:01,898
Yes, sir, I certainly do.
790
00:50:01,899 --> 00:50:04,000
- Why?
- 'Cause he's no better than the rest of us.
791
00:50:04,002 --> 00:50:06,302
I got a wife and three kids
I'd like to stay here with,
792
00:50:06,304 --> 00:50:07,603
but if they need me,
I reckon I'll go.
793
00:50:07,605 --> 00:50:10,439
Simply because Muhammad Ali
has these beliefs,
794
00:50:10,441 --> 00:50:14,110
there's no reason why people
should go against him.
795
00:50:20,083 --> 00:50:22,485
It took an all-white jury
less than a half hour...
796
00:50:22,487 --> 00:50:26,889
to find Muhammad Ali guilty of
all charges and specifications.
797
00:50:26,891 --> 00:50:30,826
He was sentenced to the maximum
five years in prison...
798
00:50:30,828 --> 00:50:33,696
and was fined $10,000.
799
00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:38,401
To have a heavyweight
champion refuse to be inducted,
800
00:50:38,403 --> 00:50:39,502
that was almost blasphemous.
801
00:50:39,504 --> 00:50:44,373
This would mean, of course, that
you stand the chance of going to jail...
802
00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,609
as a result of not going
into service.
803
00:50:46,611 --> 00:50:47,910
Well, whatever the punishment,
804
00:50:47,912 --> 00:50:52,281
whatever the persecution is for
standing up for my religious beliefs,
805
00:50:52,283 --> 00:50:54,884
even if it mean facing
machine gun fire that day,
806
00:50:54,886 --> 00:51:00,689
I will face it before denouncing Elijah
Muhammad and the religion of Islam.
807
00:51:00,691 --> 00:51:01,991
I'm ready to die.
808
00:51:01,993 --> 00:51:06,896
I was happy that this
black man, he actually stood up...
809
00:51:06,898 --> 00:51:09,365
and did what a Muslim would do.
810
00:51:09,367 --> 00:51:12,568
And that took a lot of balls.
811
00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:16,739
And he would come into my...
812
00:51:16,741 --> 00:51:21,544
He would try to, you know...
try to get to me, but he couldn't.
813
00:51:21,546 --> 00:51:24,580
And he would be trying
to look for me.
814
00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:27,349
But by us having
all the white unis on,
815
00:51:27,351 --> 00:51:30,386
he had to try to look at your
face because he couldn't tell.
816
00:51:30,388 --> 00:51:32,621
So he would always eye
at me in the mosque...
817
00:51:32,623 --> 00:51:36,892
and keep his eyes and all that... you know,
flirting like.
818
00:51:36,894 --> 00:51:39,929
I knew he was mine.
He was mine then.
819
00:51:39,931 --> 00:51:42,932
When I find
out that's who he was gonna marry,
820
00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:43,567
I jumped for joy.
821
00:51:43,568 --> 00:51:47,770
It was a big
blessing to him. She was a virgin.
822
00:51:47,772 --> 00:51:49,672
To marry a virgin...
823
00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:55,411
I said, "Boy, you hit the jackpot."
That's what I told him.
824
00:51:55,413 --> 00:51:56,512
And she was young and pretty.
825
00:51:56,514 --> 00:52:03,085
Khalilah... one of a kind.
She's the female Muhammad Ali.
826
00:52:03,087 --> 00:52:05,121
Sweet, kind, good lady.
827
00:52:05,123 --> 00:52:09,358
He loved the fact that I stuck with
him when he didn't have anything.
828
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,827
I tried to keep
everything positive...
829
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:14,530
and started a family,
and that was a good thing.
830
00:52:14,532 --> 00:52:16,932
I'm not having no trouble out of you.
831
00:52:16,934 --> 00:52:18,601
There ain't but one
big mouth in this family.
832
00:52:18,603 --> 00:52:20,803
I said, "Brother,
let me tell you something.
833
00:52:20,805 --> 00:52:26,442
If you keep your body in shape and keep
your mind clear, you will win this fight."
834
00:52:26,444 --> 00:52:30,179
The government fight has cost
nearly some $200,000...
835
00:52:30,181 --> 00:52:34,016
plus my living expenses... my mother,
my father, my brother, my wife, my children.
836
00:52:34,018 --> 00:52:38,154
Boxing commissions around the
country wouldn't sanction his fights.
837
00:52:38,156 --> 00:52:42,558
I'm just about broke.
I'm not allowed to work here now in America.
838
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,693
I'm not allowed
to leave America.
839
00:52:44,695 --> 00:52:47,463
Is there any chance
of you boxing?
840
00:52:47,465 --> 00:52:48,964
I really don't know.
841
00:52:48,966 --> 00:52:50,833
One day we might.
I'm not too sure.
842
00:52:50,835 --> 00:52:54,803
I tried to get
him back into the ring...
843
00:52:54,805 --> 00:53:00,075
and get governors to allow
him to fight in their state.
844
00:53:00,077 --> 00:53:02,878
Alabama.
845
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,079
Utah.
846
00:53:04,081 --> 00:53:06,015
Jackson, Mississippi.
847
00:53:06,017 --> 00:53:09,518
The white man told me
to get back on the airplane.
848
00:53:11,154 --> 00:53:12,888
I tried Alcatraz Island.
849
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:15,791
I tried every place
that I could think of.
850
00:53:15,793 --> 00:53:18,861
The only answer to the
beleaguerments of Muhammad Ali...
851
00:53:18,863 --> 00:53:23,866
might be the stripped jet plane sailing
above all local jurisdictions...
852
00:53:23,868 --> 00:53:26,101
with two fighters and 200 fans.
853
00:53:26,103 --> 00:53:30,139
They had tried to put
a ring inside a 757.
854
00:53:30,141 --> 00:53:34,009
Wilt, there's been rumors that
you are ready to fight Cassius Clay.
855
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:34,945
Are any of these rumors true?
856
00:53:34,946 --> 00:53:37,947
Actually fighting
Muhammad Ali was not a rumor.
857
00:53:37,949 --> 00:53:41,550
That was a plan. But right now
it's all down the drain.
858
00:53:42,252 --> 00:53:45,387
We start doing
the speaking engagements.
859
00:53:45,555 --> 00:53:50,059
That was the circuit
that really sustained him.
860
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:50,994
He got paid.
861
00:53:50,995 --> 00:53:54,863
Black and white are
opposite of one another.
862
00:53:54,865 --> 00:53:57,132
The opposite of good is bad.
863
00:53:57,134 --> 00:53:59,034
The opposite of hot is cold.
864
00:53:59,036 --> 00:54:02,805
In the beginning,
he was terrible.
865
00:54:02,807 --> 00:54:05,774
And the opposite
of black is white.
866
00:54:05,776 --> 00:54:08,244
He would go into Muslim dogma.
867
00:54:08,246 --> 00:54:11,747
What is it
that the Muslims believe?
868
00:54:11,749 --> 00:54:17,586
Number one, we're gonna say a few
things on what the Muslims want.
869
00:54:17,588 --> 00:54:20,990
Remember, he was 12 years old...
870
00:54:20,992 --> 00:54:23,759
when he committed himself
to boxing.
871
00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:27,062
Suddenly, you're
in this tunnel of your talent.
872
00:54:27,064 --> 00:54:32,868
You just concentrate on being this
great boxer, which he became.
873
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:37,373
You wave through so many
of the tollbooths of life.
874
00:54:38,675 --> 00:54:43,279
So now suddenly, it's 1967.
875
00:54:43,281 --> 00:54:46,482
He has refused to step forward.
876
00:54:46,484 --> 00:54:48,984
He's 25 years old.
877
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,689
He's out on his own.
He's on college campuses.
878
00:54:53,691 --> 00:54:56,692
He thought all these kids were
really smart kids out there.
879
00:54:56,694 --> 00:54:58,560
They were going to ask him
really tough questions,
880
00:54:58,562 --> 00:55:00,729
which, to a great extent,
they did.
881
00:55:00,731 --> 00:55:04,533
In time of peace,
would you allow yourself to be drafted?
882
00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:07,503
- Would you?
- Yes, sir.
883
00:55:08,105 --> 00:55:09,105
Why?
884
00:55:09,106 --> 00:55:13,642
Do you think that the United
States will eventually separate...
885
00:55:13,644 --> 00:55:16,278
into two different societies,
black and white?
886
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,816
Well, the latest government
fact-finding committee...
887
00:55:20,818 --> 00:55:23,285
said that this is
what it's coming to be...
888
00:55:23,287 --> 00:55:25,554
and this is what
it's shaping up to be.
889
00:55:25,556 --> 00:55:27,990
I'd like to ask you
why you're still a Muslim...
890
00:55:27,992 --> 00:55:32,661
since it's a far-gone conclusion
that the Muslim... Muslims...
891
00:55:32,663 --> 00:55:35,230
or two or three...
I don't know which...
892
00:55:35,232 --> 00:55:37,800
did assassinate Malcolm X.
893
00:55:37,802 --> 00:55:40,002
Anybody that'd
assassinate anybody...
894
00:55:40,004 --> 00:55:42,938
or anybody that carry
weapons are not Muslims.
895
00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:45,307
A Muslim
wouldn't carry a weapon,
896
00:55:45,309 --> 00:55:47,142
and a Muslim wouldn't
assassinate nobody.
897
00:55:47,144 --> 00:55:52,981
Muslims have always been
under surveillance all our lives.
898
00:55:53,583 --> 00:55:56,585
You see, Elijah Muhammad has
taught us about Big Brother.
899
00:55:56,587 --> 00:55:58,887
Brother Government
was always watching us...
900
00:55:58,889 --> 00:56:03,792
to find anything they can to
put these Muslims down or out.
901
00:56:03,794 --> 00:56:07,463
They're there
waiting for that moment.
902
00:56:16,606 --> 00:56:20,309
I did a lot
of those spots with Ali.
903
00:56:20,311 --> 00:56:22,878
He got exposure, being free.
904
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,416
And away from being coached,
905
00:56:27,418 --> 00:56:31,220
I just watched him grow up
to become a man.
906
00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:37,092
Well, I would say Black Power would be
the same thing to me that White Power is,
907
00:56:37,094 --> 00:56:38,994
but leave out the brutality.
908
00:56:38,996 --> 00:56:41,730
Like this is White Power...
909
00:56:41,732 --> 00:56:45,734
your own schools,
your airports, your jet planes.
910
00:56:45,736 --> 00:56:49,271
Being independent
and not dependent on others.
911
00:56:49,273 --> 00:56:51,707
Building your own houses,
factories and hospitals.
912
00:56:51,709 --> 00:56:57,279
I think that he's teaching the black people
to hate white, and I think that's very wrong.
913
00:56:57,281 --> 00:56:59,848
I was opposed to his views
before he came here,
914
00:56:59,850 --> 00:57:01,383
and I still am
opposed to his views...
915
00:57:01,385 --> 00:57:03,118
because I feel
if he wants American rights,
916
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,887
then he should assume
responsibility of the draft.
917
00:57:04,889 --> 00:57:08,323
Somebody would
come out of nowhere...
918
00:57:08,325 --> 00:57:11,927
and say, "You draft-dodger
nigger, go home."
919
00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:13,762
Well, he didn't
like that at all.
920
00:57:13,764 --> 00:57:15,664
I said, "We have to do this
for a living, man.
921
00:57:15,666 --> 00:57:19,268
Don't worry about what people say about you.
You got to keep going."
922
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:20,702
And then he'd talk back
at me and says,
923
00:57:20,704 --> 00:57:23,972
"You're not out there getting embarrassed.
I'm out there getting embarrassed.
924
00:57:23,974 --> 00:57:26,842
What would you do
if somebody did that to you?"
925
00:57:26,844 --> 00:57:29,912
I'm not gonna help nobody get
something that Negroes don't have.
926
00:57:29,914 --> 00:57:33,015
If I'm gonna die, I'll die now
right here fighting you.
927
00:57:33,016 --> 00:57:33,783
You my enemy.
928
00:57:33,784 --> 00:57:37,820
My enemy is the white people,
not Vietcong or Chinese or Japanese.
929
00:57:37,822 --> 00:57:40,122
You my opposer
when I want freedom.
930
00:57:40,124 --> 00:57:41,890
You my opposer
when I want justice.
931
00:57:41,892 --> 00:57:43,058
You my opposer
when I want equality.
932
00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:46,795
You won't even stand up for me in
America for my religious beliefs,
933
00:57:46,797 --> 00:57:48,330
and you want me
to go somewhere and fight,
934
00:57:48,332 --> 00:57:51,033
but you won't even stand up
for me here at home.
935
00:57:53,103 --> 00:57:57,239
The exiled
years was the worst years...
936
00:57:57,241 --> 00:58:00,375
of me and Ali's life.
937
00:58:01,678 --> 00:58:08,083
In Islam we
feel like we're being attacked unjustly.
938
00:58:08,085 --> 00:58:12,988
We feel like there's
a trial period for us,
939
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:17,793
and if we stand
on righteousness and truth,
940
00:58:17,795 --> 00:58:19,761
God gonna bring us through it.
941
00:58:19,763 --> 00:58:22,564
And that's the way I saw Ali.
942
00:58:22,566 --> 00:58:26,201
I suffered with my brother. He suffered.
I suffered. We're like that.
943
00:58:26,203 --> 00:58:29,204
I felt the way he felt.
944
00:58:29,206 --> 00:58:33,408
I share my brother's pain.
I share his...
945
00:58:44,487 --> 00:58:46,255
You got to forgive me.
946
00:58:46,257 --> 00:58:50,259
I'm very emotional
when it comes to this.
947
00:58:50,261 --> 00:58:52,861
He paid the price.
948
00:59:04,541 --> 00:59:07,142
He did what he had to do.
949
00:59:07,977 --> 00:59:10,078
He's the champ.
950
00:59:14,985 --> 00:59:17,920
The country was beginning
to pull apart.
951
00:59:17,922 --> 00:59:22,891
This was a time when the
ideals of rebellion were spreading.
952
00:59:22,893 --> 00:59:28,864
Urban insurrections and violence were
popping out in cities across the country.
953
00:59:28,866 --> 00:59:31,333
Violence is a part
of America's culture.
954
00:59:31,335 --> 00:59:34,002
It is as American
as cherry pie.
955
00:59:34,004 --> 00:59:36,572
America taught the black people
to be violent.
956
00:59:36,574 --> 00:59:41,577
We will use that violence to rid
ourselves of oppression if necessary.
957
00:59:41,579 --> 00:59:43,912
When the white race
attack the black people,
958
00:59:43,914 --> 00:59:46,882
you don't ask us what's our
religion or what's our belief.
959
00:59:46,884 --> 00:59:48,317
You just start whupping
black heads.
960
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:49,985
They don't say are you a Catholic,
are you a Baptist,
961
00:59:49,987 --> 00:59:53,121
are you a black Muslim,
are you a Martin Luther King follower,
962
00:59:53,123 --> 00:59:54,423
are you with Whitney Young.
963
00:59:54,425 --> 00:59:57,693
They just go...
964
00:59:57,827 --> 01:00:00,662
There is no need for us to go
anywhere and fight for democracy.
965
01:00:00,664 --> 01:00:04,933
We working for our liberation,
and it's gonna be in this country.
966
01:00:04,935 --> 01:00:07,235
And what we gonna say
across this country,
967
01:00:07,237 --> 01:00:12,174
from Muhammad Ali to a little
black boy in Cardozo High School,
968
01:00:12,176 --> 01:00:15,510
"Hell, no. We won't go."
969
01:00:17,314 --> 01:00:19,214
Hell, no!
We won't go!
970
01:00:19,216 --> 01:00:22,217
I'm not here to talk and
say I don't agree with Stokely.
971
01:00:22,218 --> 01:00:23,086
I don't agree with Rap Brown.
972
01:00:23,087 --> 01:00:25,921
We're all black people who are fighting
for freedom, justice and equality.
973
01:00:25,923 --> 01:00:28,223
Everybody have their approach.
One man believe in integrating.
974
01:00:28,225 --> 01:00:31,994
One day we all be white, he say.
Look like white people after 200 years.
975
01:00:31,996 --> 01:00:34,129
One believes that education
and politics will solve it.
976
01:00:34,131 --> 01:00:37,366
One believes shooting and looting and
burning up the country will solve it.
977
01:00:37,368 --> 01:00:38,934
One man believes
integration will solve it.
978
01:00:38,936 --> 01:00:41,570
And we believe separation,
somewhere to ourselves, will solve it.
979
01:00:41,572 --> 01:00:45,040
You were quoted as saying on one occasion,
"All whites are devils."
980
01:00:45,042 --> 01:00:47,643
- But that's not true, is it?
- Elijah Muhammad teaches us...
981
01:00:47,645 --> 01:00:50,545
that God told him
that all whites are devils.
982
01:00:50,547 --> 01:00:52,314
Well, God was wrong
on that occasion, wasn't he?
983
01:00:52,316 --> 01:00:53,649
- You don't...
- I believe every word of it.
984
01:00:53,651 --> 01:00:56,551
- But you don't actually believe that all
whites are devils. - I believe every word...
985
01:00:56,553 --> 01:00:59,021
Yes, sir. I believe
everything he preach.
986
01:00:59,023 --> 01:01:00,455
- I mean, I just...
- You said "all," didn't you?
987
01:01:00,457 --> 01:01:03,992
- Yeah. I'm trying... - I really believe
that all white people are devils.
988
01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:08,230
I'm not gonna be no phony.
I done gave up $10 million in fighting.
989
01:01:08,232 --> 01:01:10,165
I'll go to jail for five years.
990
01:01:10,167 --> 01:01:14,169
And you think I'm gonna get on this
TV show and deny what I believe?
991
01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:16,571
- No.
- I believe every bit of it.
992
01:01:16,573 --> 01:01:17,573
From my point of view,
993
01:01:17,574 --> 01:01:23,111
what Elijah Muhammad is doing
to you is diseasing your mind.
994
01:01:23,113 --> 01:01:25,647
And you have the nerve
to be on a TV show...
995
01:01:25,649 --> 01:01:27,149
and look at me
like I'm wrong...
996
01:01:27,151 --> 01:01:29,451
for saying,
Elijah Muhammad is poisoning you...
997
01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:31,420
by telling you
that we're your enemies.
998
01:01:31,422 --> 01:01:32,521
And I feel it
and see it every day.
999
01:01:32,523 --> 01:01:35,390
And every black man watching
this show know you our enemies,
1000
01:01:35,392 --> 01:01:37,359
and you have the nerve
to stand up here...
1001
01:01:37,361 --> 01:01:39,327
and say Elijah Muhammad
is poisoning my mind.
1002
01:01:39,329 --> 01:01:42,964
He cannot teach us that you our enemy.
You taught us.
1003
01:01:42,966 --> 01:01:47,102
And Ali liked intimidating you,
pissing you off.
1004
01:01:47,104 --> 01:01:50,138
He loved that.
That's his comfort zone.
1005
01:01:50,140 --> 01:01:52,174
And when you're
in your comfort zone,
1006
01:01:52,176 --> 01:01:54,576
nobody in the world
can penetrate you,
1007
01:01:54,578 --> 01:01:56,378
and you can be
who you wanna be.
1008
01:01:56,380 --> 01:02:00,182
I'd like to start off by saying,
As-salaam alaikum.
1009
01:02:00,184 --> 01:02:02,651
Wa alaikum.
1010
01:02:02,653 --> 01:02:04,052
Ooh. You all...
1011
01:02:04,054 --> 01:02:08,290
I didn't know you all knew that up here.
1012
01:02:08,292 --> 01:02:09,491
Within a year of this,
1013
01:02:09,493 --> 01:02:12,928
he was a much more
attractive character.
1014
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:15,330
And once you
find out who you are,
1015
01:02:15,332 --> 01:02:19,101
then you're start saying,
"I am the greatest."
1016
01:02:22,505 --> 01:02:27,142
To those people who think
that I lost so much...
1017
01:02:27,144 --> 01:02:29,077
by not taking the step,
1018
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,613
I haven't lost one thing.
1019
01:02:31,615 --> 01:02:35,150
I have gained a lot.
1020
01:02:35,152 --> 01:02:38,420
Number one...
1021
01:02:42,725 --> 01:02:47,496
- - Number one,
I have gained a peace of mind.
1022
01:02:47,498 --> 01:02:51,066
Yeah!
1023
01:02:51,068 --> 01:02:54,569
I have gained a peace of heart.
1024
01:02:54,571 --> 01:02:57,773
I now know
that I'm in content...
1025
01:02:57,775 --> 01:03:01,643
with Almighty God himself.
1026
01:03:01,744 --> 01:03:04,780
And there are those who are seeking...
1027
01:03:04,782 --> 01:03:10,118
to equate dissent
with disloyalty.
1028
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,287
It is my hope...
1029
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:15,357
that every young man
in this country...
1030
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:21,763
who finds this war objectionable
and abominable and unjust...
1031
01:03:21,765 --> 01:03:25,767
would file
as a conscientious objector.
1032
01:03:25,769 --> 01:03:29,104
And no matter what you think...
1033
01:03:29,106 --> 01:03:33,542
of Mr. Muhammad Ali's religion,
1034
01:03:33,544 --> 01:03:39,347
you certainly have
to admire his courage.
1035
01:03:51,627 --> 01:03:55,831
Our great leaders like
Martin Luther King, to bump him off.
1036
01:03:55,833 --> 01:04:00,402
And when the white man can
just bump us off like nothing,
1037
01:04:00,404 --> 01:04:02,771
then what chance
does the common man have?
1038
01:04:02,773 --> 01:04:04,706
He just don't care.
He sees no future...
1039
01:04:04,708 --> 01:04:08,677
because his hope,
his inspiration are wiped out like nothing.
1040
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:13,515
Muhammad Ali's making statements about what
was happening in his life and his world...
1041
01:04:13,517 --> 01:04:14,616
in this society
in which we live,
1042
01:04:14,618 --> 01:04:19,454
and you gonna crucify him and take
his means to support his family away?
1043
01:04:19,456 --> 01:04:22,224
Oh, it was wrong.
Simple as that.
1044
01:04:22,758 --> 01:04:26,194
The United States leads
the Olympics in medal awards...
1045
01:04:26,196 --> 01:04:28,797
and is just about supreme
in the sprint races,
1046
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:32,267
thanks to men like Tommie
Smith and John Carlos.
1047
01:04:32,269 --> 01:04:35,303
They came in first and third.
1048
01:04:35,305 --> 01:04:38,340
Any time they
have an Olympic Games...
1049
01:04:38,342 --> 01:04:41,810
or any time they do a national
anthem at a football game,
1050
01:04:41,812 --> 01:04:43,144
that's politics right there.
1051
01:04:43,146 --> 01:04:45,780
We felt that
as young individual athletes...
1052
01:04:45,782 --> 01:04:49,517
that we could make a significant
difference in society.
1053
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:52,687
I said, "Look, Tommie,
I wanna make a statement."
1054
01:04:56,994 --> 01:05:01,162
"Let's put a black glove on and say
although we're proud to be Americans,
1055
01:05:01,164 --> 01:05:03,665
we're prouder
to be black Americans."
1056
01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:06,735
I had a black shirt on
to cover up my U.S.A...
1057
01:05:06,737 --> 01:05:08,536
because I was ashamed
of America...
1058
01:05:08,538 --> 01:05:11,840
the way America
has been all these years.
1059
01:05:11,842 --> 01:05:13,475
We have a great history
in this country.
1060
01:05:13,477 --> 01:05:17,712
But at the same time, we have a
history that we should be ashamed of.
1061
01:05:17,714 --> 01:05:19,381
The number-one statement
in my mind...
1062
01:05:19,383 --> 01:05:24,719
was to have Muhammad Ali vindicated
from all the nonsense, negativities...
1063
01:05:24,721 --> 01:05:26,254
that they try
and put around him...
1064
01:05:26,256 --> 01:05:29,157
and give him the right to be
the champion that he deserve.
1065
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:31,693
Wanna let
the whole world know...
1066
01:05:31,695 --> 01:05:35,530
that we are going to pick
our heroes from today on.
1067
01:05:35,532 --> 01:05:38,366
And brother Tommie Smith,
brother John Carlos...
1068
01:05:38,368 --> 01:05:39,634
join the rank
of brother Muhammad Ali...
1069
01:05:39,636 --> 01:05:44,539
because we want black people who are concerned
with us first and with sports second.
1070
01:05:44,541 --> 01:05:46,541
- Yeah!
- Yea!
1071
01:05:46,543 --> 01:05:49,678
When you refused to be drafted,
1072
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,347
do you think that it
set a mark in history...
1073
01:05:52,349 --> 01:05:54,849
as one black person who just
out and out refused to...
1074
01:05:54,851 --> 01:05:57,786
Many have done it before me,
but they were not famous cases.
1075
01:05:57,788 --> 01:06:02,290
And I just don't think I should
go 10,000 miles from here...
1076
01:06:02,292 --> 01:06:04,559
and shoot some black people
who never called me "nigger,"
1077
01:06:04,561 --> 01:06:06,795
never lynched me,
never put dogs on me,
1078
01:06:06,797 --> 01:06:08,964
never raped my mama,
enslaved me...
1079
01:06:08,966 --> 01:06:12,400
and deprived me of freedom,
justice and equality.
1080
01:06:12,402 --> 01:06:14,569
And he's black too.
I just can't shoot him.
1081
01:06:14,571 --> 01:06:18,239
And with this in mind, and plus
my religious beliefs too,
1082
01:06:18,241 --> 01:06:20,408
which is the legal reason
I'm not going,
1083
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:23,445
I just can't go over there
and shoot them people...
1084
01:06:23,447 --> 01:06:26,581
and come back home
I'm still a nigger.
1085
01:06:26,583 --> 01:06:31,319
It has been said that
I have two alternatives...
1086
01:06:31,321 --> 01:06:35,423
either go to jail
or go to the army.
1087
01:06:35,425 --> 01:06:39,594
But I would like to say that
there is another alternative.
1088
01:06:39,596 --> 01:06:44,432
And that alternative
is justice.
1089
01:06:51,507 --> 01:06:54,342
I came to work
for Justice Harlan...
1090
01:06:54,344 --> 01:06:57,812
in the summer of 1970,
1091
01:06:57,814 --> 01:06:59,781
which during the term
I was there...
1092
01:06:59,783 --> 01:07:02,283
that the Vietnam Veterans
Against the War...
1093
01:07:02,285 --> 01:07:05,320
sat in on the steps
of the Supreme Court.
1094
01:07:05,322 --> 01:07:07,489
No!
1095
01:07:11,661 --> 01:07:13,661
There was controversy...
1096
01:07:13,663 --> 01:07:17,365
just surrounding
every corner of life.
1097
01:07:17,367 --> 01:07:22,570
Black Power!
1098
01:07:22,572 --> 01:07:25,473
Ship all niggers back!
1099
01:07:26,575 --> 01:07:30,512
It was during that year that
Clay against United States...
1100
01:07:30,514 --> 01:07:31,780
came up to the Supreme Court.
1101
01:07:31,782 --> 01:07:36,451
The justices probably
thought Ali wouldn't win.
1102
01:07:36,453 --> 01:07:39,754
He could argue about it,
but he had a fair shot below...
1103
01:07:39,756 --> 01:07:41,756
when reasonable judges
had said no.
1104
01:07:41,758 --> 01:07:44,959
And he didn't present
any unique or unusual issues,
1105
01:07:44,961 --> 01:07:47,495
and so they were just gonna
let the case go away.
1106
01:07:47,497 --> 01:07:49,264
As they were about to announce,
1107
01:07:49,266 --> 01:07:51,032
the solicitor general
came in and said...
1108
01:07:51,034 --> 01:07:54,069
we just learned that there
was an illegal wiretap...
1109
01:07:54,071 --> 01:08:00,775
during which the F.B.I. overheard Muhammad
Ali talking to Reverend Martin Luther King.
1110
01:08:00,777 --> 01:08:04,612
We are all victims of the
same system of oppression.
1111
01:08:04,614 --> 01:08:08,983
And even though we may have
different religious beliefs,
1112
01:08:08,985 --> 01:08:13,755
this does not at all bring about a
difference in terms of our concerns.
1113
01:08:13,757 --> 01:08:15,857
We're still brothers.
1114
01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:18,860
So they just did
what was routine in those days.
1115
01:08:18,862 --> 01:08:21,596
We're sending this back down
to the trial judge...
1116
01:08:21,598 --> 01:08:24,732
to determine whether
anything needs to be done.
1117
01:08:24,734 --> 01:08:29,003
I didn't think it would take so long...
three and a half years...
1118
01:08:29,005 --> 01:08:30,905
but I did think
he would be back.
1119
01:08:30,907 --> 01:08:33,641
And he was always doing
something interesting.
1120
01:08:33,643 --> 01:08:36,911
He was in a Broadway show,
Big Time Buck White.
1121
01:08:36,913 --> 01:08:41,182
- - It was
wonderful and terrible.
1122
01:08:46,889 --> 01:08:51,392
You know, I first came here
some 400 long years ago.
1123
01:08:51,394 --> 01:08:52,494
Yes. Right on,
Big Time.
1124
01:08:52,496 --> 01:08:55,730
- I came as a first-class passenger...
- Yes!
1125
01:08:55,732 --> 01:09:00,435
on a cold, nasty, muddy,
wet prison of death.
1126
01:09:00,437 --> 01:09:03,705
- Yes! Yes!
- A slave ship.
1127
01:09:03,707 --> 01:09:06,374
♪ We came in chains ♪
1128
01:09:06,375 --> 01:09:07,143
Yeah!
1129
01:09:07,144 --> 01:09:09,878
- ♪ We came in misery ♪
- Uh-huh.
1130
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,650
♪ Now all our suffering and
pains are part of history ♪
1131
01:09:15,651 --> 01:09:16,619
Right on!
1132
01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:18,319
- ♪ We came in chains ♪
- Oh, yes!
1133
01:09:18,321 --> 01:09:21,189
Do you feel in a way that
you're not really acting up there?
1134
01:09:21,191 --> 01:09:23,725
No, I'm not acting at all.
I'm real.
1135
01:09:23,727 --> 01:09:25,160
We may have a little music
in the background,
1136
01:09:25,162 --> 01:09:28,696
but everything that I do,
I look at it as being real.
1137
01:09:28,698 --> 01:09:30,732
♪ Chains, chains, chains ♪
1138
01:09:30,734 --> 01:09:32,400
♪ We came in chains ♪
1139
01:09:32,402 --> 01:09:33,568
♪ Four hundred years ♪
1140
01:09:33,570 --> 01:09:36,171
♪ No justice No
freedom No equality ♪
1141
01:09:36,173 --> 01:09:38,506
♪ Worked from sunup
to sundown ♪
1142
01:09:38,508 --> 01:09:40,608
♪ 1970, still in chains ♪
1143
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:43,611
♪ Financial chains
Economical chains ♪
1144
01:09:43,613 --> 01:09:45,480
♪ Chains, chains, chains ♪
1145
01:09:45,482 --> 01:09:47,081
♪ America chains ♪
1146
01:09:47,083 --> 01:09:50,485
♪ Chains Look at these chains ♪
1147
01:09:50,487 --> 01:09:54,622
♪ Chains ♪
1148
01:09:54,624 --> 01:09:57,792
♪ Chains ♪ ♪
1149
01:10:03,098 --> 01:10:05,800
Meanwhile,
a group of Atlanta blacks and whites...
1150
01:10:05,802 --> 01:10:09,904
managed to get Clay a license
and bring the fight to Atlanta.
1151
01:10:09,906 --> 01:10:12,207
No other city has done this.
1152
01:10:12,209 --> 01:10:18,012
We put Mr. Clay, Muhammad Ali,
back into the ring.
1153
01:10:18,847 --> 01:10:20,848
I don't see how
this fight could take place...
1154
01:10:20,850 --> 01:10:22,483
anywhere in the United States
of America...
1155
01:10:22,485 --> 01:10:26,621
by a man that has denounced
his country's uniform...
1156
01:10:26,623 --> 01:10:29,090
and refused to be inducted.
1157
01:10:29,658 --> 01:10:32,527
There are
no state laws in Georgia...
1158
01:10:32,528 --> 01:10:33,229
covering the boxing industry.
1159
01:10:33,230 --> 01:10:39,133
We have secured from the city of
Atlanta the boxing permit, the license.
1160
01:10:39,135 --> 01:10:41,202
We've covered everything.
1161
01:10:41,204 --> 01:10:44,472
Muhammad Ali,
or Cassius Clay, or both...
1162
01:10:44,474 --> 01:10:47,175
will return to the boxing ring
in Atlanta, Georgia.
1163
01:10:47,177 --> 01:10:49,711
Governor Maddox
does not like it.
1164
01:10:49,713 --> 01:10:50,713
But he can't stop it.
1165
01:10:50,714 --> 01:10:52,714
I've called for a day of
mourning because of this,
1166
01:10:52,716 --> 01:10:56,251
that this tragic thing has happened
in this United States of America...
1167
01:10:56,253 --> 01:11:00,855
where men have fought so long and their
wives and children have sacrificed so much.
1168
01:11:00,857 --> 01:11:04,993
But there are a lot of
people who feel as Governor Maddox does.
1169
01:11:04,995 --> 01:11:08,496
But Clay has his license
and will fight.
1170
01:11:08,498 --> 01:11:10,765
Your greatest trial
may not be in the ring.
1171
01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:11,799
It may be
with the American public,
1172
01:11:11,801 --> 01:11:17,639
most of whom deeply resent your stance
with regard to military induction.
1173
01:11:18,207 --> 01:11:21,509
Because Ali was
such a visible public figure,
1174
01:11:21,511 --> 01:11:26,714
Justice Brennan thought we just
can't let a case like this go...
1175
01:11:26,716 --> 01:11:27,915
without explaining why.
1176
01:11:27,917 --> 01:11:30,618
So we caught the case
on the bounce back.
1177
01:11:30,620 --> 01:11:35,923
The Supreme Court agreed today to review
heavyweight fighter Muhammad Ali's conviction...
1178
01:11:35,925 --> 01:11:37,692
for refusing induction
into the army.
1179
01:11:37,694 --> 01:11:41,195
Ali claims he cannot be drafted
for religious reasons,
1180
01:11:41,197 --> 01:11:44,999
and now the high court
will decide whether he's right.
1181
01:11:45,001 --> 01:11:46,301
Is your client a pacifist?
1182
01:11:46,303 --> 01:11:50,038
A pacifist is, uh... is...
is, uh, strict language.
1183
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,641
A pacifist means, um...
uh, a Quaker,
1184
01:11:53,643 --> 01:11:57,545
one who does not engage
in any kind of violence.
1185
01:11:57,547 --> 01:12:00,715
It would hardly classify him
as a pacifist.
1186
01:12:00,717 --> 01:12:03,618
Of course there's
this incredible irony...
1187
01:12:03,620 --> 01:12:10,591
that you have this big, powerful
heavyweight champion of the world...
1188
01:12:10,593 --> 01:12:13,995
saying he's
a conscientious objector.
1189
01:12:14,997 --> 01:12:18,733
Justice Thurgood Marshall
recused himself from the case.
1190
01:12:18,735 --> 01:12:21,102
He was largely removing himself
from any case...
1191
01:12:21,104 --> 01:12:23,504
where the N.A.A.C.P.
Legal Defense Fund,
1192
01:12:23,506 --> 01:12:26,808
of which he used to be the head,
was representing a party.
1193
01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:29,210
The fact that Marshall
was not in the case...
1194
01:12:29,212 --> 01:12:30,812
meant there were
only eight justices.
1195
01:12:30,814 --> 01:12:36,617
So there was always the risk that
this case would come out 4-4.
1196
01:12:36,619 --> 01:12:42,323
If the justices vote 4-4,
the decision below is affirmed.
1197
01:12:42,325 --> 01:12:44,892
Ali would go to jail.
1198
01:12:44,894 --> 01:12:48,162
Earlier this year Ali
began retempering the steel...
1199
01:12:48,164 --> 01:12:51,866
that lay beneath the starchy
lecture-circuit lunches.
1200
01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:53,101
All this is to me is a job.
1201
01:12:53,103 --> 01:12:57,372
It means that I have a chance to earn
a living and take care of my family.
1202
01:12:57,374 --> 01:12:59,607
That's all it means to me.
1203
01:13:00,109 --> 01:13:01,809
In exhibitions like this,
1204
01:13:01,811 --> 01:13:05,012
sometimes he floated
like a butterfly in galoshes.
1205
01:13:05,014 --> 01:13:07,648
But there were moments
when a live youth...
1206
01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:11,052
broke through the rusty layers.
1207
01:13:12,187 --> 01:13:14,756
Many critics
say it's impossible...
1208
01:13:14,758 --> 01:13:17,592
for a man to be off
three years and a half...
1209
01:13:17,594 --> 01:13:18,693
and with a six-week notice
be in shape.
1210
01:13:18,695 --> 01:13:25,695
It's impossible for him to have his wind,
his timing, his speed and his legs.
1211
01:13:25,769 --> 01:13:27,969
People are wondering
what can I do,
1212
01:13:27,971 --> 01:13:32,907
and we won't know
until the pressure's put on me.
1213
01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:35,243
A man should be
entitled to do his job.
1214
01:13:35,245 --> 01:13:38,746
He was convicted of a felony,
but he's not in jail.
1215
01:13:38,748 --> 01:13:40,314
And as long as he's free,
1216
01:13:40,316 --> 01:13:44,652
he should be entitled
to make his living.
1217
01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:53,094
Win or lose, he's got the
appeal of his conviction to worry about...
1218
01:13:53,096 --> 01:13:56,764
and the possibility
of five years in prison.
1219
01:14:03,206 --> 01:14:04,206
Time!
1220
01:14:04,207 --> 01:14:07,408
When the case
was argued to the justices,
1221
01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:10,411
almost all the analysis
turned on the question...
1222
01:14:10,413 --> 01:14:13,347
of whether he was a selective
conscientious objector.
1223
01:14:13,349 --> 01:14:19,187
That is, he had a conscientious objection
to this war but not another one.
1224
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:23,257
There is in this record
a basis, in fact,
1225
01:14:23,259 --> 01:14:24,659
for the conclusion...
1226
01:14:24,661 --> 01:14:27,161
that the
petitioner's objection,
1227
01:14:27,163 --> 01:14:29,464
though religious, is selective.
1228
01:14:29,466 --> 01:14:31,799
- As-salaam alaikum.
- Wa as-salaam.
1229
01:14:31,801 --> 01:14:34,902
That he is,
in fact, oppose to fighting...
1230
01:14:34,904 --> 01:14:37,638
what he regards
as "the white man's wars,"
1231
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,943
although having no religious
or conscientious scruples...
1232
01:14:41,945 --> 01:14:44,045
against participation in war...
1233
01:14:44,047 --> 01:14:47,982
which would defend
the black man's interests.
1234
01:14:48,951 --> 01:14:51,419
The court voted 5-3
against Ali.
1235
01:14:51,421 --> 01:14:53,955
It was all over
but the writing.
1236
01:14:53,957 --> 01:15:00,495
Metaphorically,
Ali had one foot and three toes in prison.
1237
01:15:18,013 --> 01:15:23,284
The chief justice assigned
the opinion to Justice Harlan.
1238
01:15:23,418 --> 01:15:28,856
Justice Harlan... he was in very good
health, with one exception.
1239
01:15:28,858 --> 01:15:29,891
His eyesight was horrible.
1240
01:15:29,893 --> 01:15:34,395
He had had something that
was like a stroke of the eyes.
1241
01:15:34,763 --> 01:15:40,034
Part of the job of being Justice
Harlan's law clerk was to read to him.
1242
01:15:40,036 --> 01:15:41,335
And I told Justice Harlan...
1243
01:15:41,337 --> 01:15:43,938
I might have said it more times
than is really polite...
1244
01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:48,175
"When you go back and you read
The Message to the Blackman... "
1245
01:15:48,177 --> 01:15:50,511
Every one of you should have
this book in your study.
1246
01:15:50,513 --> 01:15:53,848
"and you read
The Autobiography of Malcolm X,
1247
01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:55,416
the Nation of Islam people
were saying...
1248
01:15:55,418 --> 01:15:58,386
if Allah summons us to war,
then we will go to war.
1249
01:15:58,388 --> 01:16:02,023
If you really took the law
literally seriously,
1250
01:16:02,025 --> 01:16:07,361
you cannot distinguish Jehovah's
Witnesses from the Nation of Islam...
1251
01:16:07,363 --> 01:16:09,263
on this particular issue."
1252
01:16:09,265 --> 01:16:12,333
And so we've got
legal precedent.
1253
01:16:12,335 --> 01:16:16,938
What the Supreme Court had said
about the Jehovah's Witnesses...
1254
01:16:16,940 --> 01:16:19,140
was even though
they're willing to fight...
1255
01:16:19,142 --> 01:16:21,409
in some hypothetical war
declared by God,
1256
01:16:21,411 --> 01:16:25,580
it doesn't mean that you're
not a conscientious objector.
1257
01:16:25,582 --> 01:16:29,951
Congress meant to exempt people
who, in good conscience,
1258
01:16:29,953 --> 01:16:36,157
couldn't participate in a
person-to-person bombs-and-bullets war.
1259
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:41,162
"We believe that we who declare
ourselves to be righteous Muslims...
1260
01:16:41,164 --> 01:16:46,601
shall not participate in wars which
take the lives of human beings."
1261
01:16:46,603 --> 01:16:48,836
Justice
Harlan sent a memorandum
1262
01:16:48,837 --> 01:16:49,404
essentially saying,
1263
01:16:49,405 --> 01:16:52,206
"Now that I've look
more carefully at the record,
1264
01:16:52,208 --> 01:16:54,408
I think we
were wrong in our vote,
1265
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:58,913
and I am voting
to reverse the conviction."
1266
01:16:58,915 --> 01:17:00,414
And now we had a problem.
1267
01:17:00,416 --> 01:17:03,985
How are we going to keep
staffing that war machine...
1268
01:17:03,987 --> 01:17:07,521
if it turns out that everybody
who joins the Nation of Islam...
1269
01:17:07,523 --> 01:17:09,624
gets a free pass
out of the draft?
1270
01:17:09,626 --> 01:17:14,328
In war, the intention is
to kill, kill, kill, kill...
1271
01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:17,131
and continue killing innocent people.
1272
01:17:17,133 --> 01:17:20,334
But there is one hell
of a lot of difference...
1273
01:17:20,336 --> 01:17:24,805
in fighting in the ring
and going to war in Vietnam.
1274
01:17:28,510 --> 01:17:31,445
From Louisville, Kentucky,
1275
01:17:31,447 --> 01:17:34,382
return of the champion,
1276
01:17:34,384 --> 01:17:36,651
Muhammad Ali.
1277
01:17:43,125 --> 01:17:48,829
The Quarry fight was
really exciting outside the ring.
1278
01:17:48,831 --> 01:17:53,467
Everybody who was
somebody came to that fight.
1279
01:17:53,469 --> 01:17:56,871
Cadillacs, gangster style.
1280
01:17:56,873 --> 01:18:00,908
Cats with minks and diamonds.
1281
01:18:00,910 --> 01:18:03,310
It was the fight night.
1282
01:18:04,146 --> 01:18:08,916
That left
jab is finding its mark.
1283
01:18:13,889 --> 01:18:18,592
It was a total
explosion of blackness...
1284
01:18:19,327 --> 01:18:22,029
from the highest levels
of civil rights...
1285
01:18:22,031 --> 01:18:28,502
I want to say that you're not only
our champion in the boxing area,
1286
01:18:28,504 --> 01:18:34,208
but you're also a champion of
justice and peace and human dignity.
1287
01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:35,309
Thank you.
1288
01:18:35,311 --> 01:18:38,979
You're the living example
of soul power.
1289
01:18:38,981 --> 01:18:43,250
This was the March on
Washington all in two fists.
1290
01:18:43,252 --> 01:18:46,353
- Thank you.
- Thank you. You're so kind.
1291
01:18:46,922 --> 01:18:49,056
Ali's case exposed...
1292
01:18:49,058 --> 01:18:51,525
how awkward
the legal system was...
1293
01:18:51,527 --> 01:18:55,429
and how arbitrary and capricious
it was in many respects.
1294
01:18:55,431 --> 01:18:58,999
Justice Stewart
dug further into the record...
1295
01:18:59,001 --> 01:19:01,402
and found
an obscure technical point...
1296
01:19:01,404 --> 01:19:04,672
on which the court
could reverse Ali's conviction.
1297
01:19:04,674 --> 01:19:08,476
But this ground for reversal
applied only to Muhammad Ali.
1298
01:19:08,478 --> 01:19:10,945
It didn't apply to anybody else.
1299
01:19:11,146 --> 01:19:18,146
The technicality was that the government
had denied Ali due process of law.
1300
01:19:18,921 --> 01:19:20,621
At the first stage
of this case,
1301
01:19:20,623 --> 01:19:23,324
the government had told
the Louisville draft board...
1302
01:19:23,326 --> 01:19:27,228
that not only was Ali
not opposed to all wars...
1303
01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:30,631
but that he was insincere
in claiming this.
1304
01:19:30,633 --> 01:19:32,366
Then when they got
to the Supreme Court,
1305
01:19:32,368 --> 01:19:36,737
Justice Douglas, at the very end of
the oral argument by the government,
1306
01:19:36,739 --> 01:19:38,439
turned to the solicitor general
and said...
1307
01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:41,542
"You don't question his sincerity?"
1308
01:19:41,544 --> 01:19:43,511
No, Mr. Justice,
we do not.
1309
01:19:43,513 --> 01:19:46,113
That's a denial of due process.
1310
01:19:46,115 --> 01:19:52,052
The government isn't allowed to
tell a judge Ali was insincere...
1311
01:19:52,054 --> 01:19:54,188
and the next day sincere...
1312
01:19:54,190 --> 01:19:56,390
in order to sustain
a conviction.
1313
01:19:56,392 --> 01:20:02,663
This little procedural point turning
this big case into a peewee case...
1314
01:20:02,665 --> 01:20:05,332
immediately got you five votes,
1315
01:20:05,334 --> 01:20:09,203
and other people then started
coming over to the opinion.
1316
01:20:09,205 --> 01:20:12,406
So the final outcome
was a unanimous victory.
1317
01:20:12,408 --> 01:20:18,579
They wrote a case that, insofar
as precedent is concerned...
1318
01:20:18,581 --> 01:20:20,548
the way I say it...
is so thin...
1319
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:25,085
that if you turn it sideways,
it doesn't even cast a shadow.
1320
01:20:26,021 --> 01:20:28,589
The Supreme
Court ruled 8-0 today...
1321
01:20:28,591 --> 01:20:30,558
that Muhammad Ali
is indeed sincere...
1322
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,560
in his Muslim beliefs
against war.
1323
01:20:32,562 --> 01:20:36,130
That overturns Ali's conviction
for refusing induction...
1324
01:20:36,132 --> 01:20:38,165
and removes the threat
of five years in jail.
1325
01:20:38,167 --> 01:20:41,569
When Ali heard the news,
he said, "Thanks be to Allah."
1326
01:20:41,571 --> 01:20:43,537
I was on 79th Street
on the south side...
1327
01:20:43,539 --> 01:20:44,872
and just bought me
an orange in a grocery store.
1328
01:20:44,874 --> 01:20:49,109
And the grocery owner came out and grabbed
me and hugged me with tears in his eyes...
1329
01:20:49,111 --> 01:20:54,248
a little black fella... and told me that
you've just been vindicated and you're free.
1330
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:56,984
Eight judges all voted
in your favor.
1331
01:20:56,986 --> 01:20:59,320
Only God did it, buddy.
1332
01:20:59,322 --> 01:21:01,422
The God of heaven and earth,
these stars
1333
01:21:01,424 --> 01:21:04,825
He changed hearts.
1334
01:21:04,827 --> 01:21:06,360
Whew!
1335
01:21:06,361 --> 01:21:06,828
Hit me hard.
1336
01:21:06,829 --> 01:21:10,130
Well, all I have to say
is what's concerning my case.
1337
01:21:10,132 --> 01:21:12,566
I don't know what's happening
to this moment.
1338
01:21:12,568 --> 01:21:14,768
I don't know who will
be assassinated tonight.
1339
01:21:14,770 --> 01:21:17,204
I don't know who will be
enslaved or mistreated.
1340
01:21:17,206 --> 01:21:22,042
I don't who will be deprived of
some other justice or equality.
1341
01:21:25,413 --> 01:21:28,315
Well, I think everybody's
looking for truth.
1342
01:21:31,086 --> 01:21:34,188
Everybody's trying
to find himself.
1343
01:21:34,190 --> 01:21:35,322
People sit back now
in their old age...
1344
01:21:35,324 --> 01:21:40,527
and reflect on the crossroads of their life.
"Did I make the right choices?"
1345
01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:45,399
Muhammad Ali stood fast and
never denied what he stood for.
1346
01:21:47,002 --> 01:21:49,904
The first time that
I understood the importance
1347
01:21:49,905 --> 01:21:50,639
of who my father was,
1348
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,506
I was around three years old.
1349
01:21:52,508 --> 01:21:55,709
We had to be lifted out some way
of this massive crowd.
1350
01:21:55,711 --> 01:22:01,282
People were crying. They were on their
knees. They had their hands crossed.
1351
01:22:02,851 --> 01:22:04,418
In a strange sort of way,
1352
01:22:04,420 --> 01:22:09,556
I don't think that he
totally transcended boxing...
1353
01:22:09,558 --> 01:22:11,325
until he went back to boxing,
1354
01:22:11,327 --> 01:22:15,462
until he went back
on that platform.
1355
01:22:17,632 --> 01:22:20,567
This is an incredible scene.
1356
01:22:20,569 --> 01:22:22,136
The place is going wild.
1357
01:22:22,138 --> 01:22:25,906
Muhammad Ali has won!
Muhammad Ali has won!
1358
01:22:25,908 --> 01:22:27,775
Naturally when you're young,
1359
01:22:27,777 --> 01:22:29,610
you want your father
all to yourself.
1360
01:22:29,612 --> 01:22:31,645
My father
would go off on trips,
1361
01:22:31,647 --> 01:22:34,782
going to China or Libya
or wherever,
1362
01:22:34,784 --> 01:22:36,583
and I would cry.
1363
01:22:36,585 --> 01:22:40,387
He said to me one time,
"You know, Hana, I'm your daddy,
1364
01:22:40,389 --> 01:22:41,822
but I'm also the daddy
to the world."
1365
01:22:41,824 --> 01:22:44,959
And I said, "You're not my daddy.
You're Muhammad Ali."
1366
01:22:44,961 --> 01:22:48,228
Whenever he would leave,
he was Muhammad Ali.
1367
01:22:48,396 --> 01:22:50,664
I'll always gonna
be one black one...
1368
01:22:50,666 --> 01:22:53,500
who got big
on your white televisions,
1369
01:22:53,502 --> 01:22:55,803
on your white newspapers,
on your satellites...
1370
01:22:55,805 --> 01:22:59,506
and 100% stay with
and represent my people.
1371
01:22:59,508 --> 01:23:01,875
That was my purpose,
and that's why I'm happy.
1372
01:23:01,877 --> 01:23:03,544
I'm here, and I'm
showing the world...
1373
01:23:03,546 --> 01:23:07,448
that you can be here and still
free and stay yourself...
1374
01:23:07,450 --> 01:23:10,484
and get respect from the world.
1375
01:23:11,453 --> 01:23:13,120
When Elijah Muhammad died in
'75,
1376
01:23:13,122 --> 01:23:19,226
the decision of the leadership was to
name Wallace Muhammad, Elijah's son,
1377
01:23:19,228 --> 01:23:20,327
as the new leader.
1378
01:23:20,329 --> 01:23:22,663
We've arrived here.
The trip was successful.
1379
01:23:22,665 --> 01:23:28,635
He began to change the Nation to
something more akin to traditional Islam.
1380
01:23:28,637 --> 01:23:31,305
Less attention
to black nationalism.
1381
01:23:31,307 --> 01:23:32,539
Less attention to race.
1382
01:23:32,541 --> 01:23:36,677
Muhammad Ali became
a follower of Wallace Muhammad.
1383
01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:38,979
Most members
went along with them at first.
1384
01:23:38,981 --> 01:23:41,982
And then eventually, people
in the Nation convinced
1385
01:23:41,984 --> 01:23:43,384
Louis Farrakhan
to break away...
1386
01:23:43,386 --> 01:23:48,555
and reform Elijah Muhammad's
race-oriented version.
1387
01:23:48,557 --> 01:23:50,090
And that's been that way
ever since.
1388
01:23:50,092 --> 01:23:54,261
In the early days of the religion,
they have black separatism.
1389
01:23:54,263 --> 01:23:56,263
In those days,
you were the devil.
1390
01:23:56,265 --> 01:23:58,799
The white man was the devil.
That's right.
1391
01:23:58,801 --> 01:24:01,702
Ali was constantly evolving,
1392
01:24:01,704 --> 01:24:04,505
constantly growing...
1393
01:24:04,507 --> 01:24:07,608
from the narrow view...
1394
01:24:07,610 --> 01:24:11,712
of the Nation of Islam
in its infancy...
1395
01:24:11,714 --> 01:24:14,782
to the broad universal view...
1396
01:24:14,784 --> 01:24:19,620
of Islam
in its fullest development.
1397
01:24:19,622 --> 01:24:21,555
That's Ali.
1398
01:24:22,824 --> 01:24:24,324
I'm a Muslim,
1399
01:24:24,326 --> 01:24:27,661
and I'm against
killing, violence,
1400
01:24:27,663 --> 01:24:31,265
and all Muslims are against it.
1401
01:24:31,533 --> 01:24:36,837
I think the people should know
the real truth about Islam.
1402
01:24:36,839 --> 01:24:40,541
And I wouldn't be here
to represent Islam...
1403
01:24:40,543 --> 01:24:44,078
if it was really like
the terrorists made it look.
1404
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:48,082
I think that all the people
should know the truth...
1405
01:24:48,084 --> 01:24:55,084
and come to recognize the truth
because Islam is peace.
1406
01:24:55,557 --> 01:25:00,627
Ali...
he has made more people examine Islam.
1407
01:25:00,629 --> 01:25:03,831
And they find that Islam
ain't what the government...
1408
01:25:03,833 --> 01:25:08,469
and the enemies of Islam
trying to make it out to be.
1409
01:25:09,004 --> 01:25:10,004
Since 9/11,
1410
01:25:10,005 --> 01:25:14,775
Islam has acquired so many layers
and dimensions and textures.
1411
01:25:14,777 --> 01:25:17,911
When the Nation of Islam was
considered as a threatening religion,
1412
01:25:17,913 --> 01:25:22,749
traditional Islam was seen
as a gentle alternative.
1413
01:25:22,751 --> 01:25:25,686
And now quite the contrary.
1414
01:25:25,688 --> 01:25:28,989
The Nation of Islam is seen
as a tame domestic version...
1415
01:25:28,991 --> 01:25:32,993
and traditional Islam is seen
as the threatening thing.
1416
01:25:32,995 --> 01:25:36,096
Muhammad Ali occupies
a weird kind of place...
1417
01:25:36,098 --> 01:25:40,534
in that shifting
interpretation of Islam.
1418
01:25:41,636 --> 01:25:45,639
He'll always be
the greatest fighter ever.
1419
01:25:45,641 --> 01:25:48,442
But I just outgrew him.
1420
01:25:51,146 --> 01:25:53,747
My father's first marriage
was to Sonji Roi,
1421
01:25:53,749 --> 01:25:56,950
and it didn't last long,
about a year.
1422
01:25:56,952 --> 01:26:00,354
His second wife,
he had four kids with.
1423
01:26:03,391 --> 01:26:06,126
His third wife,
Veronica Porsche, my mother,
1424
01:26:06,128 --> 01:26:09,096
he had myself
and my sister, Laila.
1425
01:26:09,098 --> 01:26:10,931
And his current wife, Lonnie,
1426
01:26:10,933 --> 01:26:12,933
they adopted together
one child.
1427
01:26:12,935 --> 01:26:16,837
And my father has two children
by women he was not married to.
1428
01:26:16,839 --> 01:26:19,373
So there's nine of us,
and we're one big happy family...
1429
01:26:19,375 --> 01:26:22,509
'cause he brought us together
in the summers every year.
1430
01:26:22,511 --> 01:26:27,381
Probably drove my mother crazy and
everybody else crazy. We had a ball.
1431
01:26:28,917 --> 01:26:33,020
I see him at
certain family events.
1432
01:26:33,022 --> 01:26:35,522
It hurts sometimes
to look at him too long.
1433
01:26:35,524 --> 01:26:40,360
I can be around for a few minutes
and then I have to walk away.
1434
01:26:40,362 --> 01:26:44,565
But then I see
there's a good aura there.
1435
01:26:44,567 --> 01:26:47,668
Then I'll penetrate it
with some good memories.
1436
01:26:47,670 --> 01:26:52,272
And then I fall in love
with him all over again.
1437
01:26:53,074 --> 01:26:55,209
All the wealth
of the universe...
1438
01:26:55,211 --> 01:27:02,211
and all the wealth on earth
is equal to mosquitoes...
1439
01:27:02,751 --> 01:27:05,852
compared to what you get
in the next life.
1440
01:27:05,854 --> 01:27:11,225
Some who know him believe that all those
blows to the head damaged his brain,
1441
01:27:11,227 --> 01:27:14,628
that he is no longer
the man he was inside.
1442
01:27:14,630 --> 01:27:18,131
He has Parkinson's,
as the world knows.
1443
01:27:18,133 --> 01:27:19,566
But he's healthy otherwise.
1444
01:27:19,568 --> 01:27:23,804
He is happy being Muhammad Ali.
He enjoys who he is.
1445
01:27:23,806 --> 01:27:24,905
He's not in any pain.
1446
01:27:24,907 --> 01:27:27,741
He believes that everything
has a purpose and a time.
1447
01:27:27,743 --> 01:27:30,611
And, you know,
he's... he's happy.
1448
01:27:30,613 --> 01:27:33,981
When you do the right thing, man,
you will prevail at the end.
1449
01:27:33,983 --> 01:27:36,717
It's just a matter of you
being out there in the front...
1450
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:40,621
of the people who haven't
caught up with you yet.
1451
01:27:45,827 --> 01:27:52,165
When he lit
the Olympic torch in '96,
1452
01:27:52,167 --> 01:27:54,568
I felt tears in my eyes.
1453
01:28:00,009 --> 01:28:04,244
The greatest of all time!
1454
01:28:04,246 --> 01:28:08,515
But to see him carry that,
1455
01:28:08,517 --> 01:28:12,953
uh, it was a big-time howdy.
1456
01:28:12,955 --> 01:28:16,223
It was a perfect poetic moment.
1457
01:28:18,726 --> 01:28:22,829
If anybody should've lit the
torch in any Olympic Games,
1458
01:28:22,831 --> 01:28:26,533
it should
have been Muhammad Ali.
1459
01:28:26,535 --> 01:28:28,568
In the '60s and '70s,
1460
01:28:28,570 --> 01:28:33,674
he was the most
recognizable face in the world.
1461
01:28:33,676 --> 01:28:36,810
We created a symbol.
1462
01:28:37,211 --> 01:28:43,550
Muhammad Ali has long since
been supplanted...
1463
01:28:43,552 --> 01:28:47,621
by what we believe he is.
1464
01:28:47,623 --> 01:28:50,157
One more time!
Who's the champ of the world?
1465
01:28:50,158 --> 01:28:51,092
Muhammad Ali!
1466
01:28:51,093 --> 01:28:54,161
There are so many
ways of looking at him...
1467
01:28:54,163 --> 01:28:57,297
that have only to do with us...
1468
01:28:57,299 --> 01:29:02,069
and have nothing
to do with him.
1469
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:07,574
When Muhammad Ali
took that stand...
1470
01:29:08,976 --> 01:29:12,279
- That was a hell of a stand.
- It certainly was.
1471
01:29:12,281 --> 01:29:15,649
And my father was
always more than a boxer.
1472
01:29:15,651 --> 01:29:17,951
To me, he's the eighth
wonder of the world.
1473
01:29:17,953 --> 01:29:19,219
That's the one title
I'm waiting for.
1474
01:29:19,221 --> 01:29:23,190
Muhammad Ali...
the eighth wonder of the world.
1475
01:29:27,595 --> 01:29:30,197
I love you, champ.
1476
01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:31,832
You're my soul and my heart.
1477
01:29:31,834 --> 01:29:34,101
Only brother I got.
Love you.
1478
01:29:36,003 --> 01:29:38,038
I love you. Peace.
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