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- I'm Holly Jo Samuelson.
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On September 9, 2021,
my family was held hostage.
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[tense music]
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I heard footsteps
coming up the stairs.
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This man walks in.
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[dramatic music]
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He's dripping in sweat,
and he has a gun in his hand.
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And he looked at me,
and he said,
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"I am in trouble.
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I'm on the run,
and I need a hostage."
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♪ ♪
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- We didn't know
where the suspect was.
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He literally could have
been hiding anywhere.
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- I walked in,
and I heard my mom be like,
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"It's okay, Pipes.
It's okay."
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- She then realized
there's a man on the run,
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and he's in her house.
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And I just thought,
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"I need to get her away
from this man."
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- [screams]
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[gunshot,
high-pitched ringing]
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♪ ♪
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[sirens wailing]
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♪ ♪
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[gentle music]
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- My family, we've had
quite the journey.
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My husband, Chris, and I
both grew up in--in Utah.
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We ended up dating
for a short time.
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And he proposed,
and we got married
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six months... [laughs] Later,
which is crazy.
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And then our family started
really quickly after that.
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We have two
beautiful daughters,
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Piper and Presley,
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and they are
the love of my life.
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- They're feisty.
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Um, they're both Leos.
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They know what they want,
and they get after it.
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Piper's always kinda
taken care of Presley
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'cause she's the older one.
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In 2021, the girls were 20
and 16.
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- We all live
in Farmington, Utah.
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I think the community's great.
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I love having the mountains
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and, like, all of the seasons.
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And the people are super nice.
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It's, like,
a close-knit community.
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- It's literally
15 minutes north of Salt Lak.
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If you work in Salt Lake,
or if you're anywhere near,
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Farmington'd be a place
you'd wanna live in for sure.
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- All my friends' parents
know each other's parents,
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so it's kind of just, like,
a fun, small-town kind of vibe.
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Like, we would leave
our doors unlocked every night.
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I would sleep
with my window wide open.
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I was just used
to feeling super safe.
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- We never locked our doors.
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We never worried about,
you know,
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what window was open,
what door was unlocked.
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- It was just a place
where you felt so safe.
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You didn't think twice
about that.
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And then in 2021,
the unthinkable happened.
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[siren wails]
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[tense music]
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- My name's Mike Sheldon.
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I work for the Bountiful
Police Department,
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a neighboring jurisdiction
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to where the Samuelsons live.
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I'm a sergeant there.
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I've been the team leader
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for the South Davis
Metro SWAT tactical team
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for going on seven years now.
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One of the greatest things
about being a police officer
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is that no day
is ever the same.
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On the night of the incident,
our communications contacted me
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over the radio,
letting me know
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that there was
a vehicle pursuit
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headed our way.
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We needed to try
to get into position
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to deploy spikes or whatever
other technology we needed to.
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[siren wails]
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- Our troopers actually
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had successfully
spiked the vehicle,
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and the vehicle had crashed.
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And the individual
had run on foot.
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- So we have
probably between...
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uh, 40 and 50 finished houses
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that this individual
could possibly get in.
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He could get in a vacant house.
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He could get in one
of the houses
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that were under construction.
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He literally could have been
hiding anywhere
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in that 1.5-square-mile area.
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[helicopter whirring]
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- The evening of September 9th,
it was pretty uneventful.
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I take a sleeping pill
at night.
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And then I usually go
to bed around midnight.
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[gentle music]
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- I was starting
my first year of high school,
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and it was super exciting.
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And we actually
had gone homecoming shopping
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that day 'cause I had
homecoming on the 11th.
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Yeah, we just had
a normal night,
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and I just went to bed.
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- Pipes--we call her Pipes--
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we are insomniacs,
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so we--I mean, I guess we go
to bed in the morning.
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[laughs] So.
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♪ ♪
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[ominous music]
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I go up to my studio,
loft studio,
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where I can kinda chill out.
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I remember just trying
to decide what to watch,
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and I heard footsteps
coming up the stairs.
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And as I look up--
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and this visual is
just so clear still to me...
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[TV plays indistinctly]
This man walks in the door.
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[suspenseful music]
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♪ ♪
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He's dripping in sweat,
and he has a gun in his hand.
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I was just in shock,
and I just remember
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looking at him and I said,
"Please don't.
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"Please don't kill me.
I'm a mom."
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And he looked at me
and he said,
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"I am in trouble.
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"I'm on the run,
and I need a place to go.
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And I need a hostage."
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♪ ♪
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[tense music]
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- I was just terrified,
just absolutely--
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it's hard to even explain
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unless you've been in
that situation
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where it's just--
you almost feel numb.
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His first idea was that
he wanted to get in the car,
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and he wanted me
to drive him to Las Vegas.
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And he wanted to have me
as a hostage on the run.
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To me, I know that, like,
once you get in a car,
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that's, like--
that's a scary thing.
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So we sat in the car,
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and he started getting
really nervous and fidgety.
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And--and that's when he was
like, "Wait, wait, wait."
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And he needed, I guess,
things to cook his heroin?
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♪ ♪
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And so I think he figured out
right away that,
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okay, this car thing is
not going to work
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if he wants to use his drugs.
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♪ ♪
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So he ended up going back
in the mudroom,
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right inside of our garage.
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I had my phone with me,
and I was trying to think
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of how I can call 911.
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And I remember, like,
reaching back to the light
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and trying to flicker it
to just do anything
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to make some sort of sign,
and I just couldn't.
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He had that gun so close to me.
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He told me he had
two personalities.
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One was his dark side.
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One was his good side.
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And that's what got him in all
the trouble that he's been in
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is that when
the dark side took over,
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it made him do
really bad things.
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I thought, "I am in trouble
with this man."
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[siren wails]
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- We had no idea
that there was
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a hostage situation going on.
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I wanted to first
utilize a helicopter
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before we pushed any bodies in.
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Uh, the helicopter's equipped
with infrared and fleer
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and has the ability
to see at night.
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We didn't know
where the suspect was.
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Within a few minutes, we had
60 cops flooding that area.
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So I knew that suspect
was somewhere
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within our containment area.
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- If the helicopter
doesn't find him
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or the drones don't find him,
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I want the best people
in law enforcement.
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- He started asking me
who was where.
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I told him, "Okay,
my husband, Chris,
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"is in the bedroom.
He's sleeping.
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"He takes a sleeping pill
at night.
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"When he does that,
he does not hear a thing.
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"He--he is out for the count.
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"Piper might be
coming here tonight,
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but I don't know that."
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And then I said, "I have
my Presley downstairs sleeping.
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"She is my very anxious child.
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We do not want her involved
in anything."
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And as soon as I said,
"She's my anxious child,"
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he said, "Okay, we need
to keep her out of the mix."
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And that's when he wanted
to start cooking his drugs.
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[dark music]
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♪ ♪
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He was obviously
just not mentally okay.
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He told me that he was lost
in the system of foster care.
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No one ever loved him.
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He was never enough,
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and he just started
talking about his life.
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And then I could tell,
after he would do
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whatever he was doing
with the heroin,
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he started getting
a little scarier.
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[garage door clangs]
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And I hear the garage,
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and my heart
just absolutely sank
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because I knew
Piper was coming home.
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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Piper coming in and out
at, like, 3:00 in the morning
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is not unusual.
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- In my neighborhood,
there was a ton of police.
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And I actually got stopped
by one of the cops
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before pulling
into my driveway,
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and they were like,
"There's a guy that we just,
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"like, spiked on the freeway.
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"He's just, like,
somewhere in the area,
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so we're just
keeping an eye out."
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I walked in, and I heard
my mom be like,
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"It's okay, Pipes. It's okay."
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- She saw the gun in his hand,
and she looked at me.
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And she then realized
there's a man on the run,
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and he's in her house.
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♪ ♪
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[helicopters whirring]
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- We heard helicopters.
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And I was just thinking,
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"Wow," like "This is real."
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Was looking out the window.
He was getting frantic.
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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But then he needed
to get his boost again.
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- He, like, pulled out
his heroin.
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It was really scary.
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He started saying kinda strange
things about, like, women.
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- He made a reference to rape.
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I've never felt this before
as a mom,
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but something just switched
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where there was no choice but
for me to try to do something
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when he was talking
the way he was talking
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and I didn't know what he was
capable of doing to my kid.
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And I just thought, "I need o
get her away from this man."
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I just watched him
so carefully,
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and he was sitting
right next to me.
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He started nodding off.
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And he--for the one moment
of the entire night,
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he didn't have the gun
in his hand.
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He kinda caught himself.
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It was like, "Oh,
I'm kinda nodding off here."
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And Piper looked at me
like she had the same idea,
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and I was like,
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"This is my job."
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And he stood up.
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[unsettling music]
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♪ ♪
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I grabbed the gun,
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and I buckled
the back of his knee.
255
00:14:44,990 --> 00:14:47,910
And I shot at him.
256
00:14:47,993 --> 00:14:50,662
[gunshot, high-pitched ringing]
257
00:14:50,704 --> 00:14:52,748
I missed.
258
00:14:52,789 --> 00:14:57,961
And I thought, "I have to hold
on to this gun for dear life."
259
00:14:58,003 --> 00:14:59,922
- [groans]
260
00:14:59,963 --> 00:15:03,634
- He just started beating
on my head
261
00:15:03,675 --> 00:15:05,886
and beating on my arms.
262
00:15:07,804 --> 00:15:09,723
And finally, he hit me
so hard in the head
263
00:15:09,765 --> 00:15:14,561
that I released the gun.
264
00:15:14,603 --> 00:15:16,897
And he grabbed it...
265
00:15:16,939 --> 00:15:21,360
[sighs]
And aimed right at me.
266
00:15:21,401 --> 00:15:23,820
And my first thought was,
"He's going to kill me,
267
00:15:23,862 --> 00:15:27,950
and I don't want Piper
to see that."
268
00:15:28,075 --> 00:15:29,952
I thought I was dead.
269
00:15:30,202 --> 00:15:33,956
I thought my kids
will not have a mom.
270
00:15:36,166 --> 00:15:39,628
So I ran in the bathroom
and used the door
271
00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:42,965
to hopefully be a barrier
for that bullet.
272
00:15:43,048 --> 00:15:45,968
And then I heard a click...
273
00:15:46,134 --> 00:15:50,597
[gun clicks]
And the gun did not go off.
274
00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:52,557
And I hear Piper
out there saying,
275
00:15:52,599 --> 00:15:54,768
"Please don't hurt my mom.
276
00:15:54,810 --> 00:15:57,646
I love my mom just like
you love your kids."
277
00:15:57,688 --> 00:16:02,985
Because that night, he had
told us that he had two kids.
278
00:16:05,362 --> 00:16:08,365
It was like he just
all of a sudden calmed down.
279
00:16:08,407 --> 00:16:13,036
He looked at Piper, and he was
like, "Okay, okay, okay."
280
00:16:17,165 --> 00:16:22,004
So it took me a second
to regain my composure.
281
00:16:22,045 --> 00:16:26,717
I was just shaking
like a leaf.
282
00:16:26,758 --> 00:16:33,015
Thank goodness it didn't
end up any other way.
283
00:16:42,065 --> 00:16:46,028
Ethan is Piper's
long-time boyfriend.
284
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:49,364
So he's basically--
he is like our kid.
285
00:16:49,406 --> 00:16:52,034
I mean, we just
call him our own.
286
00:16:59,416 --> 00:17:01,752
- After all that happened,
287
00:17:01,793 --> 00:17:04,463
Ethan started calling me,
and my phone started buzzing.
288
00:17:04,504 --> 00:17:07,549
[phone vibrating]
289
00:17:09,718 --> 00:17:11,636
And he was like,
"Who's this calling you?"
290
00:17:11,678 --> 00:17:14,973
I was like,
"That's my boyfriend."
291
00:17:15,015 --> 00:17:17,392
And I started really panicking
at this point.
292
00:17:17,434 --> 00:17:20,729
- He wanted things to seem
normal is what he kept saying.
293
00:17:20,771 --> 00:17:23,899
He wanted her
to pick up that phone.
294
00:17:25,609 --> 00:17:27,402
- So immediately when
I answer the phone,
295
00:17:27,444 --> 00:17:30,906
I was like, "Hey,
I don't feel very good.
296
00:17:30,947 --> 00:17:33,909
Like, you don't need to come
over if you don't want to."
297
00:17:33,950 --> 00:17:37,120
- I immediately could tell
that something was up.
298
00:17:37,162 --> 00:17:39,831
I said, "You're over
at your parents' house.
299
00:17:39,873 --> 00:17:41,708
I'm gonna come over."
300
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:44,503
Closer to their house,
I saw police everywhere.
301
00:17:44,544 --> 00:17:46,088
And so I called her and I was
like, "Hey, what's going on?
302
00:17:46,129 --> 00:17:47,839
Do you know what's going on?"
303
00:17:47,881 --> 00:17:50,425
I think she might have said
that there's some guy
304
00:17:50,467 --> 00:17:52,886
that they're trying to find,
something like that.
305
00:17:52,928 --> 00:17:55,097
I was like, "Oh, yeah.
This is crazy."
306
00:17:55,180 --> 00:17:57,057
You know, of course,
not knowing what was going on
307
00:17:57,099 --> 00:17:59,017
on the other side of the phone.
308
00:17:59,059 --> 00:18:02,687
[ominous music]
309
00:18:09,820 --> 00:18:11,446
- Helicopter comes,
can't find him.
310
00:18:11,488 --> 00:18:14,116
I know that I need
to make a decision
311
00:18:14,157 --> 00:18:15,242
on what my next move is.
312
00:18:16,159 --> 00:18:19,830
I did call out
the tactical teams.
313
00:18:19,871 --> 00:18:21,581
- My name is Jared Tadehara.
314
00:18:21,623 --> 00:18:23,625
I'm with the Salt Lake City
SWAT team.
315
00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:28,588
In September of 2021,
I was a lead sniper.
316
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:30,674
The evening before
the hostage rescue,
317
00:18:30,715 --> 00:18:33,927
my team and I were
on a high-hazard,
318
00:18:33,969 --> 00:18:36,596
no-knock search warrant
for metro gangs.
319
00:18:36,638 --> 00:18:37,973
And we completed
that warrant service,
320
00:18:38,014 --> 00:18:41,101
and I actually drove past
the incident, uh,
321
00:18:41,143 --> 00:18:43,770
in Farmington on my way home.
322
00:18:43,812 --> 00:18:47,566
I see their command post
with all their police cars
323
00:18:47,607 --> 00:18:51,027
and red and blues, and I said,
"Man, I'm glad I am not there."
324
00:18:51,069 --> 00:18:55,157
I got to go home for an hour,
and then I was called out.
325
00:18:55,407 --> 00:18:58,160
- In 2021, I was
an assistant team leader
326
00:18:58,201 --> 00:19:00,579
with the South Davis
Metro SWAT team.
327
00:19:00,620 --> 00:19:02,539
And Sergeant Sheldon called me,
and I was woken up
328
00:19:02,581 --> 00:19:04,166
to the phone call, and he said,
329
00:19:04,207 --> 00:19:06,168
"I need you now.
Just get here."
330
00:19:13,216 --> 00:19:16,178
I knew the next
most probable thing
331
00:19:16,219 --> 00:19:18,513
was that he got
into somebody's house,
332
00:19:18,555 --> 00:19:21,766
and there could possibly be
a hostage situation.
333
00:19:28,356 --> 00:19:31,193
[suspenseful music]
334
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,821
♪ ♪
335
00:19:34,863 --> 00:19:36,781
- [muffled screaming]
336
00:19:36,823 --> 00:19:41,244
- Around 4:00,
I heard screaming.
337
00:19:46,583 --> 00:19:48,752
Bear in mind that I had
just taken this pill,
338
00:19:48,793 --> 00:19:51,880
and I'm still, like,
kinda out of it.
339
00:19:51,922 --> 00:19:53,215
Then I heard more screaming.
340
00:19:53,423 --> 00:19:55,091
[both screaming]
341
00:19:55,133 --> 00:19:57,177
- So I was like,
"Something's weird.
342
00:19:57,219 --> 00:19:58,970
Something's going on."
343
00:20:03,850 --> 00:20:06,228
I then started
walking upstairs.
344
00:20:06,311 --> 00:20:09,064
And as I walk in, there's
some guy standing there.
345
00:20:09,105 --> 00:20:11,149
And the first thing I see is,
he's got a gun.
346
00:20:11,191 --> 00:20:13,235
And so I kinda, like,
looked at him,
347
00:20:13,443 --> 00:20:15,904
and then I looked at Holly,
and I--
348
00:20:15,946 --> 00:20:19,699
she looked scared,
like completely scared.
349
00:20:19,741 --> 00:20:21,243
And so I looked at him,
and I'm like,
350
00:20:21,368 --> 00:20:25,247
"Who the [...] are you, and
why are you in my [...] house?"
351
00:20:31,419 --> 00:20:32,837
[suspenseful music]
352
00:20:32,879 --> 00:20:36,049
- There's some guy,
and he's got a gun.
353
00:20:36,091 --> 00:20:38,260
He's like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Easy, easy.
354
00:20:38,468 --> 00:20:39,928
We don't need to get crazy."
355
00:20:39,970 --> 00:20:42,931
And I'm like, "'Get crazy'?
You're in my house with a gun.
356
00:20:42,973 --> 00:20:45,809
Like, what are you doing here?"
357
00:20:45,850 --> 00:20:47,143
So he's like,
"You need to sit down."
358
00:20:47,185 --> 00:20:50,272
♪ ♪
359
00:20:50,438 --> 00:20:54,859
So I just sat there, and I was
trying to process, you know.
360
00:20:54,901 --> 00:20:56,987
It was kind of like
you just got hit with a bat,
361
00:20:57,028 --> 00:20:58,280
and you're just like,
"I don't even know
362
00:20:58,488 --> 00:21:00,282
what's happening right now."
363
00:21:09,124 --> 00:21:11,960
- And then we heard
the garage open,
364
00:21:12,002 --> 00:21:15,255
and we were like,
"Oh, Ethan's here."
365
00:21:24,848 --> 00:21:27,934
- Opened up the garage,
walked in,
366
00:21:27,976 --> 00:21:31,730
and first thing I saw was a gun
aiming right at my stomach.
367
00:21:31,771 --> 00:21:37,110
♪ ♪
368
00:21:37,152 --> 00:21:38,945
[breathes deeply]
And...
369
00:21:46,911 --> 00:21:49,914
[cries]
370
00:21:49,956 --> 00:21:53,335
[clears throat]
371
00:21:53,501 --> 00:21:57,088
seeing them lined up
against the wall,
372
00:21:57,130 --> 00:21:59,341
oh, that was--
it was so horrible.
373
00:21:59,507 --> 00:22:03,595
It was so scary.
374
00:22:03,636 --> 00:22:06,306
And the looks
that they were giving me,
375
00:22:06,348 --> 00:22:11,311
it was--it was just like--
it was insane.
376
00:22:11,353 --> 00:22:17,650
♪ ♪
377
00:22:17,692 --> 00:22:21,780
I remember being so concerned
about Piper and Holly.
378
00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:29,913
- He was talking about
ending it for himself
379
00:22:29,954 --> 00:22:31,915
in the bathroom.
380
00:22:31,956 --> 00:22:34,584
He told us that he would
never go back to jail.
381
00:22:34,626 --> 00:22:37,253
He couldn't go back to jail.
382
00:22:41,508 --> 00:22:46,721
That's when
I really was scared.
383
00:22:46,763 --> 00:22:49,140
- This guy had a gun
right at us.
384
00:22:49,182 --> 00:22:52,018
Didn't put it down.
385
00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:53,770
And he was walking behind us.
386
00:22:53,812 --> 00:22:54,938
We were all sitting
on the couch,
387
00:22:54,979 --> 00:22:59,150
and he would just
walk behind us.
388
00:22:59,192 --> 00:23:00,902
I was actually thinking, like,
389
00:23:00,944 --> 00:23:02,821
"Are these the last thoughts
that I'm gonna be thinking
390
00:23:02,862 --> 00:23:06,408
before it just goes black?"
391
00:23:08,535 --> 00:23:11,413
[dark music]
392
00:23:11,538 --> 00:23:13,081
♪ ♪
393
00:23:13,123 --> 00:23:14,416
- Many years ago--
394
00:23:14,541 --> 00:23:19,337
- The entire time,
he made us watch a movie.
395
00:23:19,379 --> 00:23:21,840
He thought the cops were,
like, scanning the house
396
00:23:21,881 --> 00:23:23,633
with infrared cameras
or whatever,
397
00:23:23,675 --> 00:23:25,385
and so he's like,
"I want all you guys
398
00:23:25,427 --> 00:23:29,431
to be like you're sitting
on a couch watching a movie."
399
00:23:29,514 --> 00:23:33,017
Holly had told him
that I had to go to work,
400
00:23:33,059 --> 00:23:36,271
and then he's like, "You gotta
get ready to go to work."
401
00:23:36,312 --> 00:23:38,356
'Cause he thought
that seemed normal.
402
00:23:38,398 --> 00:23:41,443
First of all, I'm like,
"I'm not leaving."
403
00:23:43,611 --> 00:23:46,739
But he was insistent
that I leave.
404
00:23:46,781 --> 00:23:53,455
So I went in the bedroom,
and he put Piper on a chair.
405
00:23:56,249 --> 00:24:00,670
He used Pipes as,
like, his little shield.
406
00:24:00,712 --> 00:24:02,464
- He had the gun, like,
to the back of my head,
407
00:24:02,547 --> 00:24:04,048
and I could feel it--
like it was, like,
408
00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:06,301
touching the back of my head.
409
00:24:06,342 --> 00:24:09,471
And I was mostly in
that moment really angry
410
00:24:09,554 --> 00:24:14,100
because my dad is, like,
a very protective person.
411
00:24:14,142 --> 00:24:15,477
And to put him in
that situation
412
00:24:15,685 --> 00:24:17,479
where he can't do
anything about it,
413
00:24:17,645 --> 00:24:19,898
I was just like, "That is
such a cruel, evil thing to do
414
00:24:19,939 --> 00:24:21,483
to someone's parents."
415
00:24:24,027 --> 00:24:26,070
- On the side of our bed--
416
00:24:26,112 --> 00:24:27,322
and that's where
all my clothes were.
417
00:24:27,363 --> 00:24:29,991
So I reached down to grab 'em,
418
00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:32,869
and I have a gun
under the mattress.
419
00:24:32,911 --> 00:24:34,370
She could tell
what I was thinking
420
00:24:34,412 --> 00:24:37,415
'cause she knew
there was a gun there also.
421
00:24:37,457 --> 00:24:42,128
And she just kind of
looked at me like, "Don't."
422
00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:45,298
It was intense,
'cause it was like,
423
00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:47,842
"Do I try to shoot this guy?
Do I do this?"
424
00:24:51,471 --> 00:24:53,181
And I had
this weird sorta, like,
425
00:24:53,223 --> 00:24:55,808
calm feeling come over me.
426
00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:59,521
I could feel it.
Like, it was palpable.
427
00:24:59,687 --> 00:25:01,523
I heard this sort of,
like, voice just like,
428
00:25:01,564 --> 00:25:04,067
"Don't do anything.
Don't. Don't do it.
429
00:25:04,108 --> 00:25:05,527
"Everything's gonna
work out fine.
430
00:25:05,568 --> 00:25:07,529
It's gonna be okay."
431
00:25:07,737 --> 00:25:10,532
And that's the only way
I walked out of there.
432
00:25:14,244 --> 00:25:16,538
So as I'm getting in my car,
433
00:25:16,621 --> 00:25:20,041
he's standing
with his gun like this.
434
00:25:20,083 --> 00:25:24,337
The door goes down, and that's
the last thing I saw.
435
00:25:26,548 --> 00:25:29,008
- We were actually
really winding down.
436
00:25:29,050 --> 00:25:33,012
We probably had about six
to eight houses to clear.
437
00:25:39,978 --> 00:25:41,854
- I see a vehicle
leaving a residence
438
00:25:41,896 --> 00:25:44,566
at the end of the cul-de-sac.
439
00:25:46,526 --> 00:25:50,071
- As I was backing out,
ten cops swarmed my car.
440
00:25:50,113 --> 00:25:54,117
I said, "The guy you're looking
for is in my [...] house.
441
00:25:54,158 --> 00:25:55,577
He's in my house."
442
00:26:01,916 --> 00:26:05,128
- That's when we know
that we have the real deal.
443
00:26:13,595 --> 00:26:15,597
- I got up like normal.
[phone vibrates]
444
00:26:15,805 --> 00:26:18,891
I actually got a text from
my neighbor across the stree,
445
00:26:18,933 --> 00:26:22,604
and she just said,
"Hey, are you okay?"
446
00:26:22,687 --> 00:26:24,314
And so that was
my first feeling
447
00:26:24,355 --> 00:26:26,899
of thinking maybe
something was wrong.
448
00:26:28,318 --> 00:26:30,361
And I kind of just tried
to listen
449
00:26:30,403 --> 00:26:35,533
to what I could hear upstair,
and I heard footsteps.
450
00:26:38,202 --> 00:26:39,912
And I walked up my stairs.
451
00:26:39,954 --> 00:26:43,166
And then I saw a man
that I didn't know
452
00:26:43,207 --> 00:26:47,128
standing there with a gun,
and his back was facing me.
453
00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:50,506
It was probably the scariest
thing I've ever felt--
454
00:26:50,548 --> 00:26:51,924
the most fear I've ever felt.
455
00:26:51,966 --> 00:26:57,847
He didn't see me, luckily,
and I ran down my stairs.
456
00:26:57,889 --> 00:27:00,224
- He heard, like,
some movement.
457
00:27:00,266 --> 00:27:03,478
And when he was like, "I thik
your daughter's awake,
458
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:06,898
we need to go look
down there."
459
00:27:06,939 --> 00:27:09,108
And he was nervous that it ws
either her being awake
460
00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:11,486
or that police were starting
to come into the house.
461
00:27:11,527 --> 00:27:14,447
And I was terrified.
I was literally terrified.
462
00:27:14,489 --> 00:27:17,659
I was like, "If we see Presley,
and we go into her room
463
00:27:17,825 --> 00:27:20,662
"with some random man
with a gun to the back of us,
464
00:27:20,703 --> 00:27:23,665
she's going to lose her mind."
465
00:27:23,831 --> 00:27:28,670
- He had Piper and Ethan,
and I start looking around.
466
00:27:28,836 --> 00:27:33,341
We went downstairs, and Piper
and I looked at each other.
467
00:27:33,383 --> 00:27:35,385
And we were just,
468
00:27:35,426 --> 00:27:40,014
please let some--some sort
of miracle happen again.
469
00:27:41,140 --> 00:27:43,685
And we get
to Presley's bedroom,
470
00:27:43,726 --> 00:27:45,311
and the door's shut.
471
00:27:45,353 --> 00:27:47,313
[tense music]
472
00:27:47,355 --> 00:27:50,316
And we open the door...
473
00:27:50,358 --> 00:27:53,611
♪ ♪
474
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,450
And see her window open.
475
00:28:00,993 --> 00:28:06,708
[sighs] And the breeze is
brushing through the curtains.
476
00:28:06,791 --> 00:28:12,046
I looked at Piper, and we just
had tears in our eyes.
477
00:28:12,088 --> 00:28:15,091
We were like,
"Oh, she got out."
478
00:28:15,133 --> 00:28:18,094
[gentle music]
479
00:28:18,136 --> 00:28:23,933
♪ ♪
480
00:28:23,975 --> 00:28:29,689
When Joe saw that she was out,
481
00:28:29,731 --> 00:28:31,733
Piper and I instantly said,
"Oh, do you know what?
482
00:28:31,816 --> 00:28:35,027
"She does this all the time.
She sneaks out.
483
00:28:35,069 --> 00:28:37,488
"She probably did that
last night,
484
00:28:37,530 --> 00:28:40,408
and we didn't even know it."
485
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:44,287
He was just easy to kind
of fool in some ways.
486
00:28:47,331 --> 00:28:51,419
- And I run out my bedroom
window into my front yard.
487
00:28:51,461 --> 00:28:55,214
[tense music]
488
00:28:55,256 --> 00:28:56,340
It was pitch black.
489
00:28:56,382 --> 00:29:00,178
And then I just felt
someone grab me.
490
00:29:08,019 --> 00:29:11,522
- I just felt someone grab me.
491
00:29:11,564 --> 00:29:13,983
[suspenseful music]
492
00:29:14,025 --> 00:29:15,777
And they just said,
"We have your dad,
493
00:29:15,902 --> 00:29:18,571
and we're gonna make sure
everything ends up okay."
494
00:29:20,114 --> 00:29:22,992
- The officers that were thee
on scene took her.
495
00:29:23,034 --> 00:29:25,161
It was identified as Presley.
496
00:29:25,203 --> 00:29:27,497
[indistinct radio chatter]
497
00:29:27,538 --> 00:29:29,290
And then she gave me
the information
498
00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:32,335
of what she had seen.
499
00:29:32,376 --> 00:29:34,670
- We learned that the suspect,
Joseph Manhard,
500
00:29:34,712 --> 00:29:36,464
had committed
multiple aggravated felonies
501
00:29:36,506 --> 00:29:37,799
with a firearm,
502
00:29:37,965 --> 00:29:41,803
fled from police, and had
taken a family hostage.
503
00:29:41,928 --> 00:29:44,764
He made multiple statements
that he would not go back
504
00:29:44,806 --> 00:29:46,808
to prison and he would not
leave there alive.
505
00:29:46,849 --> 00:29:49,477
If somebody tells me
that they are not leaving
506
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:51,813
somewhere alive,
I'm inclined to believe 'em.
507
00:29:51,854 --> 00:29:53,439
Bad things were gonna happen.
508
00:29:53,481 --> 00:29:56,400
- One of the guys said, "'Kay,
we need you to leave
509
00:29:56,442 --> 00:29:59,487
and go to the police station."
510
00:29:59,529 --> 00:30:03,825
And then that's where
we ended up waiting.
511
00:30:08,204 --> 00:30:13,042
♪ ♪
512
00:30:13,084 --> 00:30:17,046
- After Presley got out,
the police started calling us
513
00:30:17,088 --> 00:30:18,798
on all of our phones.
514
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,843
[phones ringing, vibrating]
515
00:30:22,593 --> 00:30:25,638
At first, he wasn't having us
answer the phone calls,
516
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,223
and so they started texting us.
517
00:30:27,265 --> 00:30:30,601
[phones chiming, vibrating]
518
00:30:33,729 --> 00:30:37,608
- So now Joe
is really getting frantic.
519
00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:40,528
He's getting scared.
520
00:30:40,570 --> 00:30:43,865
- He was like, "I'm just gonna
have Ethan deal with them."
521
00:30:44,073 --> 00:30:46,868
- Ethan was the one
that would talk to them.
522
00:30:46,993 --> 00:30:50,872
And Joe would tell him
exactly what to say.
523
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,374
You know, he'd say,
"We're not in any trouble.
524
00:30:53,416 --> 00:30:55,877
We're fine."
You know, and--
525
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,628
and it just went
back and forth.
526
00:31:06,929 --> 00:31:11,893
- He just instantly kind of
took a liking to Ethan.
527
00:31:12,101 --> 00:31:15,897
Ethan has a very calm,
calm energy.
528
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:18,357
He kind of wanted Ethan
to take over
529
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:23,613
those conversations
with the negotiators.
530
00:31:23,654 --> 00:31:26,032
- We're getting a lot
of different information
531
00:31:26,073 --> 00:31:27,700
from the Samuelsons.
532
00:31:27,742 --> 00:31:30,411
Luckily, a negotiator
got Ethan on the phone
533
00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:32,371
with the suspect away from him.
534
00:31:35,583 --> 00:31:39,003
- Ethan was able
to answer one of, like,
535
00:31:39,045 --> 00:31:41,923
the most critical questions
that they had asked us
536
00:31:42,173 --> 00:31:45,843
on the call honestly
without Joe hearing him.
537
00:31:45,885 --> 00:31:48,554
- They asked me,
"Are you free to leave?"
538
00:31:48,596 --> 00:31:50,806
And I told them, "No."
539
00:31:52,558 --> 00:31:56,145
- He said, "We are not free
to leave.
540
00:31:56,187 --> 00:31:59,732
This guy is going to hurt us."
541
00:31:59,774 --> 00:32:03,319
- There was no moment
of any sort of relief.
542
00:32:03,361 --> 00:32:06,656
It was just...
543
00:32:06,697 --> 00:32:09,200
what is going to happen next?
544
00:32:11,285 --> 00:32:16,165
Joe actually ended up
calling his brother
545
00:32:16,207 --> 00:32:17,375
and talking to him.
546
00:32:17,416 --> 00:32:18,834
And he said,
547
00:32:18,876 --> 00:32:22,421
"I'm in big trouble.
I'm in big trouble."
548
00:32:22,463 --> 00:32:24,423
And we could hear his brother
on the other side
549
00:32:24,465 --> 00:32:26,801
saying,
"Don't do anything, Joe.
550
00:32:26,842 --> 00:32:30,179
Don't do anything.
Please don't hurt them."
551
00:32:30,221 --> 00:32:36,227
I think he knew that
this was getting serious now.
552
00:32:36,268 --> 00:32:38,771
- Our plan
from the very beginning
553
00:32:38,813 --> 00:32:41,899
was securing the hostages,
and hopefully,
554
00:32:41,941 --> 00:32:44,193
subduing the suspect.
555
00:32:44,235 --> 00:32:47,113
We did get the information
at that time
556
00:32:47,154 --> 00:32:50,199
that the threat level had
been raised to open authority.
557
00:32:50,241 --> 00:32:53,035
Open authority is
a command-level decision
558
00:32:53,077 --> 00:32:56,580
that the criteria for the use
of deadly force has been met.
559
00:32:56,622 --> 00:33:00,418
In the simplest terms, somebody
is posing a lethal threat,
560
00:33:00,459 --> 00:33:02,336
I should find them
and stop them from being
561
00:33:02,378 --> 00:33:04,255
that lethal threat
as soon as possible.
562
00:33:06,424 --> 00:33:08,551
- So all the information
that we had said
563
00:33:08,592 --> 00:33:10,344
that he was on the east side
of the house.
564
00:33:10,386 --> 00:33:11,929
They could see him
peeking through windows.
565
00:33:11,971 --> 00:33:15,224
So we had initially deployed
all of our resources, uh,
566
00:33:15,266 --> 00:33:18,602
as far as our marksmen go,
to the east side of the house.
567
00:33:20,062 --> 00:33:21,564
- Officer Mackie and I set up.
568
00:33:21,605 --> 00:33:23,315
I set him up on gun first,
569
00:33:23,357 --> 00:33:26,610
and then I began studying
pictures of the suspect--
570
00:33:26,652 --> 00:33:29,572
everything from the shape
of the face, to the eye color,
571
00:33:29,613 --> 00:33:32,867
to how the nose looked,
to facial hair.
572
00:33:32,908 --> 00:33:36,203
[ominous music]
573
00:33:36,245 --> 00:33:38,122
♪ ♪
574
00:33:38,164 --> 00:33:39,707
- Suspect says, "All right,
575
00:33:39,749 --> 00:33:41,417
"I'm gonna bring everybody
to the front door
576
00:33:41,459 --> 00:33:46,130
to show you that--
that they're all okay."
577
00:33:59,143 --> 00:34:06,150
- He opened that door...
578
00:34:06,192 --> 00:34:08,778
and I was thinking,
"As soon as that door opens,
579
00:34:08,819 --> 00:34:11,405
"they're gonna be guys out
there trying to work with him
580
00:34:11,447 --> 00:34:13,741
to get him to come out."
581
00:34:13,783 --> 00:34:15,493
It was just silent.
582
00:34:15,534 --> 00:34:18,204
There was no one there.
583
00:34:18,245 --> 00:34:19,955
- We could see a little bit
of the east side of the home.
584
00:34:19,997 --> 00:34:22,333
- Front door's
on the west side.
585
00:34:22,374 --> 00:34:24,293
- We were really sniper heavy
on the east side,
586
00:34:24,335 --> 00:34:27,797
and we didn't have
the front door covered.
587
00:34:27,838 --> 00:34:30,591
So that was a mistake
on my part.
588
00:34:30,633 --> 00:34:33,385
- Nobody could see the door.
589
00:34:33,427 --> 00:34:35,763
We missed our opportunity.
590
00:34:35,805 --> 00:34:39,558
There's no way he's gonna
come back to that door.
591
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,104
- He's like, "Okay,
no one's here to get me."
592
00:34:43,354 --> 00:34:48,359
That door shut,
and we just were in shock.
593
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,028
Because now what?
594
00:34:53,823 --> 00:34:57,743
- We sprinted out of that hoe
and down the street,
595
00:34:57,785 --> 00:35:01,288
and we were able
to make it over a fence.
596
00:35:01,330 --> 00:35:03,415
And so we were able
to see our front door
597
00:35:03,457 --> 00:35:05,000
and still be fairly concealed.
598
00:35:05,042 --> 00:35:07,128
- I look at
the lead negotiator,
599
00:35:07,336 --> 00:35:09,004
and I said,
"He's gonna do that again.
600
00:35:09,046 --> 00:35:11,966
And it'll be the last thing
that he ever does."
601
00:35:12,007 --> 00:35:14,927
[dramatic music]
602
00:35:14,969 --> 00:35:20,558
♪ ♪
603
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,434
- The negotiators,
they were asking us
604
00:35:22,476 --> 00:35:24,728
to step downstairs
and open the door.
605
00:35:27,481 --> 00:35:30,067
And we had to talk him into it,
you know.
606
00:35:31,819 --> 00:35:35,781
- I tried to talk to him
about, you know, you could--
607
00:35:35,823 --> 00:35:39,827
you could make the right
choice for your kids.
608
00:35:39,869 --> 00:35:44,498
They could see you
finally make a good choice.
609
00:35:44,540 --> 00:35:47,543
If you walk out and surrender,
you can start over.
610
00:35:47,585 --> 00:35:50,754
You know, I was trying
to work that way with him,
611
00:35:50,796 --> 00:35:54,592
and he seemed
to like that idea.
612
00:35:57,428 --> 00:36:01,182
So when they made him come to
the door for the second time,
613
00:36:01,223 --> 00:36:04,310
he gave me a look
that I will not ever forget--
614
00:36:04,351 --> 00:36:09,940
like he knew
his life was over.
615
00:36:09,982 --> 00:36:14,195
But I did not ever even think
616
00:36:14,236 --> 00:36:17,781
that what happened
would happen.
617
00:36:25,247 --> 00:36:27,458
[tense music]
618
00:36:27,499 --> 00:36:29,710
- He opened the door.
I was standing--
619
00:36:29,752 --> 00:36:34,173
well, we were all standing
right behind him.
620
00:36:36,425 --> 00:36:39,428
- The front door opened.
621
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:40,846
I could see
the family approaching
622
00:36:40,888 --> 00:36:43,849
the threshold of the door.
623
00:36:43,891 --> 00:36:47,394
Piper, she had her hands up,
and she was crying.
624
00:36:47,436 --> 00:36:53,359
Holly Jo was next to her,
and she looked terrified.
625
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,320
Joseph Manhard had pulled
himself up against the wall
626
00:36:56,362 --> 00:36:57,571
and pulled the door into him,
627
00:36:57,613 --> 00:36:59,490
and he was hiding behind
the door.
628
00:37:01,951 --> 00:37:04,912
Slowly, I see his head start
to peek around the door,
629
00:37:04,954 --> 00:37:07,456
and I knew immediately
it was him.
630
00:37:07,498 --> 00:37:09,458
Well, once I made
the positive ID
631
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:13,462
and I knew the hostages
weren't making any attempt
632
00:37:13,504 --> 00:37:16,548
to cross the threshold, that
they were not free to leave,
633
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:20,302
I made the decision to fire.
634
00:37:20,344 --> 00:37:22,012
- And then...
[gunshot]
635
00:37:26,308 --> 00:37:29,979
- Just the loudest sound
you could ever imagine.
636
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:32,856
- Boom, like, it happened
in an instant.
637
00:37:32,898 --> 00:37:34,608
- I felt good when
I touched it off.
638
00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:36,402
It was a good shot.
I've trained for that shot.
639
00:37:36,443 --> 00:37:39,863
It was well within
my capabilities at that range.
640
00:37:39,905 --> 00:37:43,951
I knew it was a good shot,
but the door closed.
641
00:37:43,993 --> 00:37:50,124
- We weren't sure if, in fact,
the suspect was shot and hit,
642
00:37:50,165 --> 00:37:51,959
or if the bullet missed,
643
00:37:52,001 --> 00:37:55,713
and now he is inside going
to kill our hostages.
644
00:37:55,754 --> 00:37:58,090
[gunshot]
645
00:38:02,928 --> 00:38:04,888
- I just remember coming out
of the command post
646
00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:06,390
and just pacing and pacing.
647
00:38:06,432 --> 00:38:11,353
I need some confirmation
that the Samuelsons are okay.
648
00:38:13,188 --> 00:38:15,065
- I blacked out.
649
00:38:15,107 --> 00:38:19,611
Came to just to see him
folding and falling.
650
00:38:22,364 --> 00:38:28,329
- And I just screamed.
651
00:38:28,579 --> 00:38:30,706
- I was covered in his blood.
652
00:38:30,748 --> 00:38:31,999
My mom was.
653
00:38:32,041 --> 00:38:34,668
Ethan got hit
with the shrapnel.
654
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:37,046
- I thought in that moment
655
00:38:37,087 --> 00:38:42,343
that a piece of his skull
or something hit me.
656
00:38:42,384 --> 00:38:44,136
Holly was screaming,
"They killed him.
657
00:38:44,178 --> 00:38:47,348
They killed him."
658
00:38:47,598 --> 00:38:49,933
- Then you hear
this swarming--like,
659
00:38:49,975 --> 00:38:54,188
this huge sound from everywhere
in the house
660
00:38:54,229 --> 00:38:55,898
of the SWAT guys coming in.
661
00:38:55,939 --> 00:38:57,858
It was just chaos.
662
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,652
[indistinct screaming]
663
00:39:00,694 --> 00:39:03,947
I can't even describe it.
I was just terrified
664
00:39:03,989 --> 00:39:08,911
and in shock and could
barely hold myself up.
665
00:39:14,458 --> 00:39:20,547
The SWAT guys grabbed us
and just held us up.
666
00:39:20,589 --> 00:39:22,591
All of a sudden,
it's just slow motion,
667
00:39:22,633 --> 00:39:26,929
and these guys are just
embracing us.
668
00:39:26,970 --> 00:39:32,267
And I just remember just
looking up in the sky,
669
00:39:32,309 --> 00:39:36,522
like, just thinking,
"God, like, we did it.
670
00:39:36,563 --> 00:39:38,690
Like, we made it."
671
00:39:41,985 --> 00:39:44,947
[gentle music]
672
00:39:44,988 --> 00:39:47,408
[helicopter whirring]
673
00:39:47,658 --> 00:39:48,784
- Finally, over the radio
somebody said,
674
00:39:48,826 --> 00:39:50,452
"The hostages are secure."
675
00:39:50,494 --> 00:39:53,163
♪ ♪
676
00:39:53,205 --> 00:39:56,208
- The confirmation is great,
and--and just--
677
00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:59,420
just a flood
of emotions happen.
678
00:40:04,007 --> 00:40:07,719
- I just ran outside
and was waiting to see them.
679
00:40:07,761 --> 00:40:11,265
And I went to hug my sister
'cause
680
00:40:11,306 --> 00:40:14,810
she just looked so...
681
00:40:14,852 --> 00:40:19,815
♪ ♪
682
00:40:19,857 --> 00:40:22,985
Like, scared and defeated.
683
00:40:31,869 --> 00:40:34,288
- And they were just, like,
all out in the front
684
00:40:34,329 --> 00:40:36,957
with, like, open arms waiting
for us to, like, hug them.
685
00:40:36,999 --> 00:40:39,126
- It's okay. It's okay.
It's okay.
686
00:40:39,168 --> 00:40:43,839
- You don't know what you're
leaving your family to,
687
00:40:43,881 --> 00:40:45,924
and you don't know how
that's gonna turn out.
688
00:40:45,966 --> 00:40:47,926
And to hear
that everybody was safe,
689
00:40:47,968 --> 00:40:50,387
I was just so, so grateful.
690
00:40:52,514 --> 00:40:54,391
- I'm not a killer.
691
00:40:54,433 --> 00:40:56,643
On one hand,
I'm extremely proud.
692
00:40:56,685 --> 00:40:59,396
I'm proud of my team.
I'm proud of what I did.
693
00:40:59,438 --> 00:41:03,275
Husband and wife get to stay
together and experience,
694
00:41:03,317 --> 00:41:05,068
you know, the joys
of raising children.
695
00:41:05,110 --> 00:41:07,488
For all those good things
to happen,
696
00:41:07,696 --> 00:41:09,239
I had to commit
a terrible act of violence
697
00:41:09,281 --> 00:41:10,991
on another human being.
698
00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:13,368
- I got into this profession,
I got into the SWAT team
699
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:17,581
to save people's lives,
and we did that that night.
700
00:41:17,623 --> 00:41:23,504
- My whole entire career
was, like, for this moment.
701
00:41:23,545 --> 00:41:25,255
All the years of training,
all the sacrifice
702
00:41:25,297 --> 00:41:29,218
and everything was
for that--for them.
703
00:41:30,969 --> 00:41:32,888
- You always wonder
what you would do
704
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:37,309
in a situation like that.
705
00:41:39,061 --> 00:41:41,146
In the end, I'm so grateful
706
00:41:41,188 --> 00:41:45,817
because Piper and I
saved each other.
707
00:41:45,859 --> 00:41:47,528
After something
like that happens,
708
00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:50,697
your bond is just
that much deeper.
709
00:41:50,739 --> 00:41:54,409
We just don't take each other
for granted at all.
710
00:41:54,451 --> 00:42:01,500
♪ ♪
711
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:06,500
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