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In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups,
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the police who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Damn, Mo, hurry your ass up.
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You sure we're
not gonna get busted?
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Man, stop crying,
you sound like a girl.
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I ain't no girl.
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Well, you ain't no man,
you never got no play.
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You neither. Did so.
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Denise, Marisela, Rashel.
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I tapped all them shorties.
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Yeah, right!
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Took them home to show them
my nine mil, and yo...
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Hold on.
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Where's the dude?
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Hey, yo. Yo, Calvin!
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What's that?
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Yo.
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Hey. You all right?
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Yo, what do we do?
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Victim got a name yet?
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From the vendor's license on
the cart, Samuel Register, 68.
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Looks like multiple
stab wounds to the chest.
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He's pretty fresh.
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Maybe two hours,
around 6:00, 6:30.
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How many times he been stabbed?
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Nine obvious wounds. Might find
more when we get him on the table.
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No wallet, no money.
Robbery gone bad?
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No, if he were stabbed once or
twice, that would be a robbery.
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Nine times?
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That's personal.
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Forty-eight years.
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And he still called me
his beautiful bride.
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I know this is hard,
Mrs. Register,
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but did your husband
have any problems?
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Maybe he owed somebody?
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Sam was a good man.
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He didn't drink or... Or gamble.
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He helped people.
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So you can't think of anyone
that would want to hurt him?
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There were people who thought
maybe Sam was too good.
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Which people exactly?
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People around here.
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"Somebody has to stop them from
acting like fools." he'd say.
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If he saw a boy with
his pants hanging low,
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he'd tell the boy to pull
his damn pants up.
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If he saw them breaking
windows, breaking the law,
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he would call the police!
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Do you have any names?
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I mean, any of those people
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that may have had a grudge
against your husband?
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Their names are all
made-up anyhow.
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Just walk around the block
and take your pick!
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Excuse me.
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Fontana.
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Okay, we're on our way.
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Ah, well, thank you for your time, Mrs.
Register.
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We'll be in contact, all right?
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A black girl. I was out
here when she ran past.
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She had blood on her shirt.
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What time was this?
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Mmm, about 6:45. Okay?
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No, no, no, it's not
okay, wait a minute.
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We got some questions
about this girl.
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Have you ever seen her
around here before?
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I don't remember. We got a
lot of customers in here.
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All right, how about we just stand
out here until you do remember?
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What if she has friends?
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What if they come and smash up my store?
Will you be here then?
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We'll order extra
patrols for you,
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we'll have our people
keep an eye out for you.
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Now come on!
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She has been here before.
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I had to run her off for
shoplifting a couple of times.
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Do you know her name?
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Oh, she has a baby,
a little girl.
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She came in once
or twice with Lillie Sands.
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A regular customer. Please
don't tell her we sent you.
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It sounds like Traci,
my granddaughter.
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What did she do now?
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Has she been in trouble before?
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Since she learned how to walk.
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She was living here
after she had her baby.
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But not anymore.
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I don't allow drugs in my house.
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Is that Traci's kid?
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No, this is my other
great-grandbaby.
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And this beautiful little boy
here came from my niece.
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They both live here with you?
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Young women in my family
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have made babies
they can't care for.
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Some for drugs,
one was sent to Iraq.
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So they give them to me
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because they know
I'll raise them properly.
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But Traci's child
is still with her.
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I wanted to care for Kesha.
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Traci wouldn't allow it.
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Do you know where she lives?
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We need to ask her
a couple questions.
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I don't care how handsome you think
you are, young man, don't lie to me.
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I know how this goes.
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I mean you no
disrespect, ma'am, uh,
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but we do need to find Traci.
It's important.
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She's with her
dope addict mother.
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Jefferson Gardens,
tower six, first floor.
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Althea Sands,
the mother of Traci Sands?
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I don't have no
money for no bail.
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Y our daughter hasn't been
arrested, ma' am, we 'gust want...
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Well, she ain't here.
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Please, ma'am,
you don't wanna do that.
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What's this about?
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We're just looking for Traci.
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You can look all you want,
but she ain't here.
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Well, do you know
where we can find her?
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Who knows?
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When do you expect
to see her next?
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She ain't been around since
your people took the baby.
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She just up and left.
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Wait, Child Services
took the baby, Kesha?
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Yeah, two weeks ago.
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That little girl's welfare was
supposed to pay the damn bills.
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You need a license
to drive a car,
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but they'll let
anybody have kids.
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Yeah, you gotta be
17 for the car.
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You know what? Let's go to ACS,
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find out what's
going on with Kesha.
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And her loving mother.
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Traci Sands. One of the kids
I was trying to protect
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until she became one of the
parents I had to investigate.
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Traci was abused?
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Physically, emotionally,
sexually...
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So, what happened with Kesha?
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Two years of complaints
from neighbors.
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Such as?
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Slapping the baby,
slamming her into a wall,
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cuts and bruises on her
arms, face and legs.
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We finally get a court order to
remove Kesha, when this happens.
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Oh, boy.
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Our witness heard screams,
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looked in the window and saw Traci
pouring boiling water on her.
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Apparently, she was
crying too much.
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Look at the witness.
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Sam Register.
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Nice guy. I'm sure
he'd be willing to...
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He's dead.
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Look, Traci wasn't at
her mother's house,
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she wasn't at her grandmother's.
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You have any idea
where we can find her?
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She was with her boyfriend when
we served her a court order.
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Thug wannabe named Paz.
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He's got a record.
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Police! Police! On the floor!
On the floor!
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Yo, yo, yo! Come on!
On the floor!
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Stop! No!
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Stop! Kick his ass!
Kick his ass!
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Shut up! Get off me!
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Stop! Get off me.
I'm gonna kill you!
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- Get your ass up!
- Get off me!
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We're taking you down, too.
I'm gonna kill you!
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Get up, get up! Get up!
Get off me!
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Hey, yo! I need
some water, please!
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Yo, police! On the other
side of that glass!
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Possession collar at age nine.
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Theft at 10,
intent to distribute,
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four assault charges,
shoplifting.
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Doesn't leave
much time for homework,
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but that doesn't
prove she's the killer.
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She had bloody clothes at Paz's apartment.
They're at the crime lab.
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Will you look at this, huh?
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Tailor-made.
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I expect to be reimbursed.
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One pissed off little girl.
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She's a 'Mead up crack head.
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You go call your tailor,
and I'll take the interview.
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Hey! You guys just gonna
leave me here all night?
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I need some water!
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I'm dying in here!
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Here's the problem, Traci.
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We've got a witness who
puts you at the scene.
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We found the victim's wallet
in your boyfriend's place.
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Then why aren't you
sweating him?
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Because we found blood
on your clothes.
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First of the month, welfare day,
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but you didn't get
a check, did you?
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All because Sam the donut man
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called Child Services after you.
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So? I don't need that check.
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And I can always
have another baby.
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You know, the blood on your clothes
was a type match to the victim,
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so I figure
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you got about a minute to convince
me you're worth the help,
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or I'm gonna send your baby-making
behind to Sing Sing for life.
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I ain't afraid of you.
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No?
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You should be.
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Abuse your own blood,
an innocent little girl.
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Shut up! And then when
someone finally stops you,
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you kill him. Ls that what
you want the jury to hear?
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That old rat had it coming!
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But I didn't touch him.
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Mmm.
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Pitiful.
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L think it's time
you made a statement.
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Get me a lawyer.
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DNA confirms the blood match.
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Traci Sands is
definitely our girl.
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I'll try her as an adult,
she'll get 25 years.
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And come out worse
than she is now.
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She blew her last chance when
she murdered Sam Register.
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Van Buren.
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Yes, we were just discussing...
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What?
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How did this happen?
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Well, find out and call me back.
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Nobody touched her. I swear.
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She say anything
about being sick?
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She just complained
a lot, about everything.
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I thought she was faking,
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but then she wouldn't
get up this morning.
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Then you figured out
she wasn't faking it.
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All we have at this time
is the initial report.
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Some form of anemia.
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Yes, natural causes.
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Well, as soon as we know more,
DCPI will be issuing a statement.
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Yeah, all right.
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LA's already opened a case.
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They wanna talk to everyone.
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Oh, man, she was fine
when we dropped her off.
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She asked for a glass of
water, and we're supposed
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to recognize that
as death throes?
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Just be ready for the questions.
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So, what's up?
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Oh, the M.E.'s ready for us.
She wants you to come, too.
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Why?
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I'm ruling her death
a possible homicide.
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Based on what?
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Okay.
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Immediate cause of death
was severe hemolytic anemia.
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Genetic testing showed she had
a sickle syndrome disease.
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As in sickle cell anemia?
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Sickle syndrome. It's
related, but less serious.
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Almost never fatal.
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Either way, it's a disease.
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Mmm-hmm. Autopsy revealed
heavy scarring in her uterus.
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And this.
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An IUD.
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She was on birth control.
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This isn't your average IUD.
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These pockets were designed
to carry a drug,
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something called benecrine, which
popped up on her tox screen.
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PDR lists it as
a cheap anti-malarial,
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00:12:23,443 --> 00:12:27,437
but in developing countries, benecrine
is also used as a sterility drug
255
00:12:27,513 --> 00:12:28,947
delivered by IUD.
256
00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:30,508
Somebody sterilized her.
257
00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,813
And benecrine causes anemia.
258
00:12:34,053 --> 00:12:36,112
You give it to someone
with sickle syndrome...
259
00:12:36,189 --> 00:12:37,782
And it's lethal.
260
00:12:39,192 --> 00:12:41,354
Whoever sterilized Traci
Sands caused her death.
261
00:12:43,229 --> 00:12:46,028
Let's find out who took care
of Traci's medical needs.
262
00:12:50,436 --> 00:12:52,996
I always feared she'd
be dead before 20.
263
00:12:53,706 --> 00:12:56,266
I just didn't think it
would happen like this.
264
00:12:56,342 --> 00:12:58,902
Has she had any medical
procedures lately?
265
00:12:59,212 --> 00:13:00,373
Not that I know of.
266
00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,380
Anything gynecological maybe?
267
00:13:02,448 --> 00:13:04,109
Not since she had her baby.
268
00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:06,582
Do you know where she
received her medical help?
269
00:13:06,819 --> 00:13:09,186
Everyone in the family
goes to Operation Remedy.
270
00:13:09,289 --> 00:13:10,882
That's the free clinic
on Third, right?
271
00:13:10,957 --> 00:13:12,789
Yeah. Good people.
272
00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:14,785
Thank you, ma'am.
273
00:13:15,295 --> 00:13:17,093
Talk to anyone around here,
274
00:13:17,163 --> 00:13:19,359
chances are they'll
tell you the same thing.
275
00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:22,193
This place, Nurse G,
saved their life.
276
00:13:22,568 --> 00:13:24,730
She got me the right
meds for my diabetes,
277
00:13:24,904 --> 00:13:26,872
gave me training, a job.
278
00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:28,266
Nurse G?
279
00:13:28,341 --> 00:13:30,036
Nurse Gloria Rhodes.
280
00:13:30,276 --> 00:13:32,074
She built this clinic
up from nothing.
281
00:13:32,211 --> 00:13:34,339
So she would have
treated Traci Sands?
282
00:13:34,447 --> 00:13:36,973
Yes, I always
took care of Traci.
283
00:13:38,051 --> 00:13:40,520
Gloria Rhodes.
You're with the police?
284
00:13:40,586 --> 00:13:42,179
Ah, yes, ma'am, we are.
285
00:13:42,255 --> 00:13:43,620
Have you got a minute?
286
00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:44,782
Sure.
287
00:13:45,391 --> 00:13:47,689
A lot of confused, lost
girls come through here.
288
00:13:47,894 --> 00:13:49,521
Traci needed
more help than most.
289
00:13:49,595 --> 00:13:50,721
What kind of help? Medical?
290
00:13:50,797 --> 00:13:53,664
Emotional,
psychological, you name it.
291
00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,900
She was a troubled, angry kid
292
00:13:55,968 --> 00:13:57,902
with a terrible drug problem.
293
00:13:58,638 --> 00:14:01,039
Have you been able to find
out why this happened?
294
00:14:01,107 --> 00:14:02,700
The paper just said anemia.
295
00:14:02,775 --> 00:14:05,870
Well, the medical examiner's
still working on all that.
296
00:14:06,245 --> 00:14:07,765
When was the last time
you treated her?
297
00:14:08,348 --> 00:14:10,407
About six months ago.
298
00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:12,584
You mind if we ask what for?
299
00:14:14,153 --> 00:14:17,248
I don't suppose confidentiality
applies anymore.
300
00:14:17,323 --> 00:14:18,552
Traci had gonorrhea.
301
00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:20,388
Did you refer her to a doctor?
302
00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:22,952
I prescribed some
antibiotics for her.
303
00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,187
I'm a nurse practitioner,
Detective.
304
00:14:25,565 --> 00:14:27,897
You ever prescribe
a benecrine IUD?
305
00:14:28,201 --> 00:14:29,828
For sterilization?
306
00:14:30,103 --> 00:14:31,161
Those are used overseas.
307
00:14:31,237 --> 00:14:33,467
We don't do that here.
It's not FDA approved.
308
00:14:33,673 --> 00:14:35,607
Your clinic performs
sterilizations though?
309
00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:37,165
We provide birth control.
310
00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:39,505
Depo, Norplant, the pill.
311
00:14:40,313 --> 00:14:43,010
And yes, we provide
referrals for surgery.
312
00:14:43,116 --> 00:14:44,345
Tubal ligation.
313
00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:46,112
Are you an advocate
for sterilization?
314
00:14:46,285 --> 00:14:48,720
I'm an advocate for giving
young women a choice.
315
00:14:49,322 --> 00:14:51,814
A chance to improve
their circumstances,
316
00:14:52,024 --> 00:14:53,924
to break the cycle of waste.
317
00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:55,528
That's ayes?
318
00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:58,826
It's far more complicated than
just a yes or no, Detective.
319
00:14:59,165 --> 00:15:02,931
These young women have such hard
lives, such limited choices.
320
00:15:03,636 --> 00:15:06,799
To add children into the
equation makes no sense.
321
00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:10,573
So if they ask
for help, I offer it.
322
00:15:12,478 --> 00:15:15,539
But why would she risk using an
illegal drug when she can offer
323
00:15:15,648 --> 00:15:17,673
a legal procedure to
anybody who wants it?
324
00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:20,446
Well, maybe Traci
didn't want it.
325
00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:22,145
Forgive me for asking,
Lieutenant,
326
00:15:22,221 --> 00:15:24,349
but how does the nurse
put this thing in Traci
327
00:15:24,424 --> 00:15:26,051
without Traci noticing it?
328
00:15:26,259 --> 00:15:28,387
Well, she's 16,
maybe she thought
329
00:15:28,461 --> 00:15:30,293
she was going
for a routine exam,
330
00:15:30,363 --> 00:15:33,128
and if that's the case, this nurse
is guilty of a hell of a lot more
331
00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:34,826
than an illegal
medical procedure.
332
00:15:34,901 --> 00:15:35,925
Hey, I got something.
333
00:15:36,002 --> 00:15:37,613
This is from the
Operation Remedy website,
334
00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:40,971
they get major contributions from the
Center for Population and Hygiene.
335
00:15:41,073 --> 00:15:42,666
Which is?
It's a medical charity.
336
00:15:42,742 --> 00:15:44,870
Read this interview
by Dr. Milton Thorst.
337
00:15:45,011 --> 00:15:48,504
"Fertility control is essential
to our national security."
338
00:15:48,581 --> 00:15:50,913
"Without it, America
will soon be overwhelmed"
339
00:15:50,983 --> 00:15:54,783
"by a flood of immigrants
and immigrant offspring,"
340
00:15:55,121 --> 00:15:56,748
"causing chaos and anarchy."
341
00:15:56,823 --> 00:15:59,383
Yeah, somebody needs some diversity
training, don't you think?
342
00:15:59,525 --> 00:16:03,257
We tracked a serial number on the IUD
to a medical supplier in Trenton.
343
00:16:04,564 --> 00:16:06,692
Why don't you guys get on that?
344
00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:14,635
Popular model. I ship thousands
of these to Asia every month.
345
00:16:14,740 --> 00:16:15,798
For use with benecrine?
346
00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:17,934
No clue. I just ship the lUDs.
347
00:16:18,010 --> 00:16:20,138
You know anything about
this drug, benecrine?
348
00:16:20,246 --> 00:16:23,546
I know baseball, beer
and lUDs, buddy, that's it.
349
00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:24,977
Here.
350
00:16:26,252 --> 00:16:31,520
The lot with that serial number
shipped to a charity in Manhattan,
351
00:16:32,225 --> 00:16:35,092
Center for Population
and Hygiene. Yeah.
352
00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:39,495
We support 25 free clinics
in nine states.
353
00:16:39,732 --> 00:16:42,463
Operation Remedy is one of our
greatest success stories.
354
00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:44,799
For advancing the
cause of sterilization?
355
00:16:44,937 --> 00:16:48,168
Dr. Thorst's comments are
sometimes taken out of context.
356
00:16:48,307 --> 00:16:51,504
The only cause we advance is
providing safe, free medical care
357
00:16:51,577 --> 00:16:53,170
to those who need it most.
358
00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:55,005
Excuse me, where is this?
359
00:16:55,214 --> 00:16:56,306
Vietnam.
360
00:16:56,382 --> 00:16:58,783
In addition to our work
here, we sponsor teams
361
00:16:58,851 --> 00:17:01,047
in the poorest areas
of developing countries,
362
00:17:01,187 --> 00:17:02,848
providing essential
health services.
363
00:17:02,955 --> 00:17:04,047
Such as?
364
00:17:04,123 --> 00:17:07,093
Uh, vaccinations,
basic medicine, dental care.
365
00:17:07,226 --> 00:17:08,523
Fertility control?
366
00:17:08,594 --> 00:17:10,653
Contraception and sterilization.
367
00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:13,060
Number one request
from our female patients.
368
00:17:13,933 --> 00:17:15,196
Do you use benecrine?
369
00:17:15,668 --> 00:17:18,228
Benecrine is a single
procedure, no surgery.
370
00:17:18,304 --> 00:17:19,567
Complications are rare.
371
00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:21,164
And it's cheap.
372
00:17:21,274 --> 00:17:22,867
About one dollar per patient.
373
00:17:23,142 --> 00:17:25,509
That ought to help stop
the flood of immigrants.
374
00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:30,312
Detective, the maternal mortality rate
in these countries is staggering.
375
00:17:30,716 --> 00:17:33,515
600,000 women die every year.
376
00:17:33,953 --> 00:17:36,445
For them, birth control
is life-saving.
377
00:17:37,657 --> 00:17:39,751
Do you know a nurse
named Gloria Rhodes?
378
00:17:39,825 --> 00:17:41,156
Of course.
379
00:17:42,128 --> 00:17:44,995
Every year she does a two-week
mission with Population Hygiene.
380
00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:46,793
Doing benecrine sterilizations?
381
00:17:46,866 --> 00:17:47,943
They don't admit it, but...
382
00:17:47,967 --> 00:17:51,198
Traci's IUD came from a lot
used in Cambodia last year,
383
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:53,568
where Rhodes was
"serving the disadvantaged".
384
00:17:53,673 --> 00:17:55,471
Well, looks like she
brought home a souvenir.
385
00:17:55,541 --> 00:17:57,168
My guess would be more than one.
386
00:17:57,343 --> 00:17:58,936
Get her in here.
387
00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:03,511
I'm sorry, Detectives, but
I'm afraid you're confused.
388
00:18:03,583 --> 00:18:05,381
Oh, you think so?
389
00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:07,950
I told you before, I haven't
treated Traci in six months.
390
00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:09,545
You can check my
records at the clinic.
391
00:18:09,655 --> 00:18:11,214
We did better than that.
392
00:18:11,357 --> 00:18:13,587
We checked Traci's belongings.
393
00:18:13,693 --> 00:18:14,990
Antibiotics.
394
00:18:15,061 --> 00:18:17,826
We're guessing that Traci
had gonorrhea again.
395
00:18:17,897 --> 00:18:20,764
These were prescribed by you, Miss
Rhodes, 10 days before her death.
396
00:18:20,967 --> 00:18:22,833
Which means
that you just lied to us.
397
00:18:22,902 --> 00:18:25,599
My prescription pad went missing.
Traci must have stolen it.
398
00:18:25,705 --> 00:18:28,072
Yeah. We stopped
by her pharmacy.
399
00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,035
Now that's not her
handwriting, is it?
400
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:34,307
Oh, come on, you tried to
help Traci and she died.
401
00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:36,314
It's as simple as that,
isn't it?
402
00:18:36,382 --> 00:18:37,526
Now this is pretty much over,
403
00:18:37,550 --> 00:18:39,382
you better tell us
your side of the story.
404
00:18:41,053 --> 00:18:43,283
L think I'd like
to call my lawyer.
405
00:18:45,057 --> 00:18:47,737
From a legal standpoint, I don't
think we have enough to charge her.
406
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,052
Excuse me?
407
00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:51,173
Without proof she knew
about Traci's sickle syndrome,
408
00:18:51,197 --> 00:18:53,928
it's malpractice, but I'm not
sure there's a criminal case.
409
00:18:54,367 --> 00:18:57,962
She burned and scarred
the uterus of a young girl
410
00:18:58,037 --> 00:19:00,335
with a drug that
caused her death.
411
00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:06,342
Arrest her.
412
00:19:06,412 --> 00:19:07,777
We'll find the right charge.
413
00:19:12,318 --> 00:19:13,877
Gloria Rhodes,
you're under arrest
414
00:19:13,953 --> 00:19:16,388
in connection with
the death of Traci Sands.
415
00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:18,253
You have the
right to remain silent.
416
00:19:18,324 --> 00:19:20,452
Anything you do say
can and will be used
417
00:19:20,526 --> 00:19:22,153
against you in a court of law.
418
00:19:22,228 --> 00:19:24,196
You have the right
to an attorney...
419
00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:27,697
Ms. Borgia?
420
00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:28,996
Paul Robinette.
421
00:19:29,068 --> 00:19:30,934
Ah, I hear you used to
have my office.
422
00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:32,523
You were probably
still in high school.
423
00:19:33,339 --> 00:19:34,568
Tell Jack McCoy hello for me.
424
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,640
I will.
425
00:19:35,708 --> 00:19:37,267
Docket number 41899.
426
00:19:37,343 --> 00:19:40,677
People v. Gloria Rhodes. On the charge
of manslaughter, second degree.
427
00:19:40,746 --> 00:19:41,975
How do you plead, Ms. Rhodes?
428
00:19:42,048 --> 00:19:43,528
We shouldn't even
be here, Your Honor.
429
00:19:43,582 --> 00:19:45,516
My client performed a
simple medical procedure
430
00:19:45,584 --> 00:19:47,484
with regrettable complications.
431
00:19:47,753 --> 00:19:49,118
Mr. Robinette.
432
00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:50,485
Not guilty, Your Honor.
433
00:19:50,556 --> 00:19:51,556
Bail, Ms. Borgia?
434
00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:53,285
The People request
remand, Your Honor.
435
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,919
The Defendant travels extensively
outside the country,
436
00:19:55,995 --> 00:19:58,191
and she has wealthy contacts
who might help her flee.
437
00:19:58,264 --> 00:20:01,461
My client is a trusted professional
and lifelong resident of New York.
438
00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:05,300
Who sterilized a 16-year-old girl
with an unapproved procedure.
439
00:20:05,371 --> 00:20:07,897
All right, the press
has heard you both.
440
00:20:07,973 --> 00:20:09,668
Bail is set at 200,000,
441
00:20:09,742 --> 00:20:11,870
and Ms. Rhodes will
surrender her passport.
442
00:20:13,179 --> 00:20:15,307
A white nurse used
a forbidden drug
443
00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:17,008
to sterilize a poor black girl
444
00:20:17,083 --> 00:20:20,144
who happened to have sickle
syndrome, and the young lady died.
445
00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:21,618
Am I missing anything here?
446
00:20:22,021 --> 00:20:23,648
That's pretty much it.
447
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:25,691
Except that the girl who died
448
00:20:25,958 --> 00:20:28,359
was the primary suspect
in a murder investigation,
449
00:20:28,427 --> 00:20:30,054
had a rap sheet from
here to Hartford,
450
00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:32,154
and recently had
her child taken away
451
00:20:32,765 --> 00:20:34,756
because she threw a pot
of boiling water on her.
452
00:20:35,835 --> 00:20:38,275
And we're charging this nurse
with second degree manslaughter.
453
00:20:38,337 --> 00:20:40,897
Recklessly causing the death of another.
It's not a slam dunk,
454
00:20:40,973 --> 00:20:44,068
but if we can prove that she
knew about the sickle syndrome
455
00:20:44,176 --> 00:20:47,407
and the potential lethal interaction
with benecrine, we'll be okay.
456
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,538
Lot of ifs.
457
00:20:48,614 --> 00:20:50,241
We could charge something less.
458
00:20:50,316 --> 00:20:52,114
Reckless endangerment.
459
00:20:53,819 --> 00:20:56,789
Illegal sterilization,
white nurse, black girl.
460
00:20:57,089 --> 00:20:58,955
Lot of reasons not to go soft.
461
00:20:59,024 --> 00:21:00,651
Stick with manslaughter.
462
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,025
And find somebody who can
tell you what Rhodes knew.
463
00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:07,062
Nurse G is a good person.
464
00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:08,610
You don't know what
it's like down there,
465
00:21:08,634 --> 00:21:10,261
you don't see what
she deals with.
466
00:21:10,336 --> 00:21:12,270
You mean like Traci
scalding her daughter?
467
00:21:12,338 --> 00:21:13,828
Yeah, stuff like that.
468
00:21:14,807 --> 00:21:18,038
So, sterilizing her, you think
Nurse G did the right thing?
469
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,549
Did Nurse G know about
Traci's sickle syndrome?
470
00:21:23,816 --> 00:21:24,874
I don't know.
471
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,317
You don't recall her asking? No.
472
00:21:29,021 --> 00:21:31,046
Did Traci ask to be sterilized?
473
00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:38,560
I checked your rap sheet,
Savannah.
474
00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:39,860
You're still on probation.
475
00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:43,033
I know. But I'm clean now.
476
00:21:43,269 --> 00:21:45,237
If you're lying to me,
I'll have to file charges,
477
00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:47,671
meaning your probation
will be revoked immediately.
478
00:21:48,274 --> 00:21:49,935
You'd do that? Yeah.
479
00:21:50,176 --> 00:21:52,440
So please, just tell
me what you know.
480
00:21:58,150 --> 00:21:59,982
Traci wasn't the first.
481
00:22:02,288 --> 00:22:05,622
The assistant claims Nurse Rhodes
performed the same procedure
482
00:22:05,691 --> 00:22:07,489
on several other girls.
483
00:22:07,827 --> 00:22:09,022
Any of them die?
484
00:22:09,094 --> 00:22:11,188
No, but some had
serious complications.
485
00:22:11,297 --> 00:22:13,766
Headaches, excessive bleeding.
486
00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:15,801
Rhodes blamed them
on yeast infections,
487
00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:17,708
but the symptoms are
consistent with benecrine.
488
00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:18,928
There any proof?
489
00:22:19,004 --> 00:22:22,531
No. Rhodes isn't stupid.
She never filed any paperwork
490
00:22:22,908 --> 00:22:25,240
for the exams
or the preceding visits.
491
00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:27,569
But this assistant
remembers the names?
492
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,580
Five girls in
the last two years.
493
00:22:29,648 --> 00:22:31,082
Was race a factor?
494
00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:35,086
The only common thread is they all
had records of drugs and crime.
495
00:22:36,422 --> 00:22:39,084
A white woman sterilizing
delinquent girls
496
00:22:39,158 --> 00:22:42,617
because she judged them
unfit to reproduce? Eugenics.
497
00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:44,455
Thought that ended
in Nazi Germany.
498
00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:48,467
California was performing forced
sterilizations until 1964.
499
00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:52,133
Have Green and Fontana
track down the other girls.
500
00:22:52,204 --> 00:22:54,502
I already did. One died
of a drug overdose,
501
00:22:54,573 --> 00:22:56,905
two are in prison,
one moved out of state.
502
00:22:57,209 --> 00:22:59,143
And the fifth? Living in Queens.
503
00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:02,181
Isabella Perez. I'm meeting
her this afternoon.
504
00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:08,013
No, I'm not the same person no more.
I'm sober.
505
00:23:08,254 --> 00:23:10,154
Ain't been arrested
in, like, three years.
506
00:23:10,322 --> 00:23:12,984
I work nights,
I go to school, church.
507
00:23:13,959 --> 00:23:17,361
That's where I met my boyfriend,
uh, my fianc?, Daryl.
508
00:23:17,963 --> 00:23:19,363
We're gonna get
married next spring.
509
00:23:19,431 --> 00:23:21,399
Oh, wow. Congratulations.
510
00:23:22,368 --> 00:23:24,530
So, uh, Gloria Rhodes.
511
00:23:24,637 --> 00:23:26,036
Ah, Nurse G.
512
00:23:26,105 --> 00:23:28,199
Yeah, man, she
wouldn't hurt nobody.
513
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:30,138
She really helped
change my life around.
514
00:23:30,209 --> 00:23:32,153
You know, taught me that
if I didn't respect myself,
515
00:23:32,177 --> 00:23:33,736
nobody else would either.
516
00:23:34,046 --> 00:23:36,140
I'm here about
an exam she gave you.
517
00:23:36,248 --> 00:23:38,910
Do you remember having some
trouble about two years ago?
518
00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:40,418
Yeah, I remember passing out.
519
00:23:40,486 --> 00:23:42,545
Nurse G took me to the clinic,
520
00:23:42,655 --> 00:23:44,214
and took real good care of me.
521
00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:45,970
You know, stayed up
with me half the night.
522
00:23:46,025 --> 00:23:47,823
What was the problem?
523
00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:49,785
Some infection.
524
00:23:50,195 --> 00:23:52,892
I had real bad cramps.
I was bleeding a lot.
525
00:23:53,832 --> 00:23:55,994
Did she offer to take you
to the emergency room?
526
00:23:56,068 --> 00:23:58,435
Oh, no, she knew
I didn't have no money.
527
00:23:58,504 --> 00:24:00,233
But I haven't
had a problem since.
528
00:24:02,908 --> 00:24:05,843
Isabella, would you be willing to
let one of our doctors examine you?
529
00:24:07,379 --> 00:24:08,642
What for?
530
00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:14,319
Medical exams show Isabella Perez
was sterilized using benecrine.
531
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,683
And had no idea
this was done to her.
532
00:24:16,822 --> 00:24:19,416
Two of the other girls Savannah
mentioned said the same thing.
533
00:24:19,491 --> 00:24:20,822
I'm looking into the others.
534
00:24:20,893 --> 00:24:23,624
Makes it hard to believe
Traci Sands gave consent.
535
00:24:23,696 --> 00:24:25,425
Sterilizing one girl's terrible.
536
00:24:25,497 --> 00:24:28,194
Sterilizing five is
a mission statement.
537
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,563
Up the charge to murder.
538
00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:31,963
Depraved indifference?
539
00:24:32,237 --> 00:24:34,467
Arthur, I'm not so sure
we can get there.
540
00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:36,866
You think jurors won't be
as horrified as we are?
541
00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:40,936
I think the argument for eugenics
is more seductive than you imagine.
542
00:24:41,213 --> 00:24:43,545
Jack, please, no sane person
543
00:24:43,615 --> 00:24:45,447
is going to agree
with what she did.
544
00:24:45,584 --> 00:24:49,384
In 1991, a judge ordered
an abusive mother
545
00:24:49,555 --> 00:24:52,183
to go on Norplant as
a condition of her parole.
546
00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:56,394
A year earlier, a Philadelphia
Enquirer editorial suggested
547
00:24:56,462 --> 00:25:00,023
coerced contraception to
reduce the black underclass.
548
00:25:00,833 --> 00:25:05,031
The sympathy for eugenics in
this country leads back to 1927.
549
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:07,534
Supreme Court,
Oliver Wendell Holmes...
550
00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:08,935
Buck v. Bell.
551
00:25:09,141 --> 00:25:11,667
Every law school in the
country mocks that decision
552
00:25:11,744 --> 00:25:13,735
as a colossal
miscarriage of justice.
553
00:25:13,812 --> 00:25:17,942
Oliver Wendell Holmes was one of the
great judges in this country's history.
554
00:25:18,150 --> 00:25:21,916
And he held that it was legal
to sterilize Carrie Buck
555
00:25:21,987 --> 00:25:25,389
for being feeble-minded and
having a child out of wedlock.
556
00:25:25,624 --> 00:25:28,321
He was convinced that
eugenics makes sense.
557
00:25:28,394 --> 00:25:31,022
All Robinette has to do
is convince one juror
558
00:25:31,096 --> 00:25:33,190
that this nurse
did the right thing.
559
00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:36,559
Well, you'll have to convince
them all of the truth.
560
00:25:36,735 --> 00:25:37,896
This is murder.
561
00:25:42,508 --> 00:25:45,705
You have had experience
with benecrine sterilizations,
562
00:25:45,778 --> 00:25:47,337
isn't that correct, Dr. Horton?
563
00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:50,906
Yes. I performed the procedure
numerous times while working with
564
00:25:50,983 --> 00:25:53,714
the Center for Population
and Hygiene in Cambodia.
565
00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:55,383
In Cambodia?
566
00:25:55,521 --> 00:25:56,920
Did you work with the defendant?
567
00:25:56,989 --> 00:25:58,718
Yes, she assisted me.
568
00:25:58,791 --> 00:26:00,384
She assisted you
with sterilizations?
569
00:26:00,592 --> 00:26:02,754
At first. But as I learned
more about benecrine,
570
00:26:02,828 --> 00:26:04,455
I refused to administer it.
571
00:26:05,064 --> 00:26:07,726
After that, she performed
the procedures herself.
572
00:26:08,167 --> 00:26:10,864
Why did you refuse
to administer benecrine?
573
00:26:11,103 --> 00:26:14,971
It may be carcinogenic. That's why
it's not approved in the U.S.
574
00:26:15,507 --> 00:26:17,532
If it's not safe enough
for Americans,
575
00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:19,843
why is it okay for Cambodians?
576
00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:22,313
Did you ever share these
concerns with the defendant?
577
00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:25,908
Yes. But she didn't stop performing
benecrine sterilizations.
578
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:33,987
How many benecrine sterilizations did
Nurse Rhodes perform in Cambodia?
579
00:26:34,126 --> 00:26:35,685
Roughly 200.
580
00:26:36,161 --> 00:26:37,560
Did anyone die?
581
00:26:37,663 --> 00:26:38,960
Not to my knowledge.
582
00:26:39,031 --> 00:26:42,797
Have you, Dr. Horton, ever lost a patient
as a result of a benecrine sterilization?
583
00:26:42,901 --> 00:26:43,901
No.
584
00:26:44,069 --> 00:26:46,163
So, in your experience,
585
00:26:46,305 --> 00:26:48,797
benecrine sterilizations
are actually quite safe.
586
00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:53,074
Just because no one died
doesn't mean they're safe.
587
00:26:53,145 --> 00:26:55,045
Well, that's exactly
what it means, right?
588
00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:57,105
Hundred of procedures,
no fatalities?
589
00:26:57,316 --> 00:26:58,477
We were lucky.
590
00:26:58,750 --> 00:26:59,876
Why's that?
591
00:27:00,018 --> 00:27:01,986
None of our patients
had sickle syndrome.
592
00:27:02,921 --> 00:27:05,822
So what you're saying is,
if a medical professional
593
00:27:05,924 --> 00:27:08,222
is unaware that a patient
has sickle syndrome,
594
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:09,904
he or she would
have no basis to believe
595
00:27:09,928 --> 00:27:11,448
that the procedure
is life threatening?
596
00:27:12,598 --> 00:27:15,898
Yes, I...
I suppose that's right.
597
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:18,600
Thank you.
598
00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:25,876
We still need someone who can
testify that Rhodes knew
599
00:27:25,944 --> 00:27:27,605
about Traci's sickle syndrome.
600
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:30,478
We've been over this, Jack,
that person doesn't exist.
601
00:27:30,616 --> 00:27:32,084
There are no records?
602
00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:33,846
No evaluations? Notes?
603
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:36,513
I looked at every
damn paper in that clinic.
604
00:27:36,588 --> 00:27:38,920
There's nothing.
So what do we do?
605
00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:42,222
Hope when we call Isabella
Perez, that the jury assumes.
606
00:27:42,294 --> 00:27:45,025
Nurse Rhodes asked Traci the
same questions she asked her.
607
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:47,592
Isabella's reluctant
to take the stand.
608
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:49,824
This has been
really rough on her.
609
00:27:49,902 --> 00:27:51,529
She wanted to start a family.
610
00:27:51,803 --> 00:27:53,897
Then she should be
even more reluctant
611
00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:56,168
to see Nurse Rhodes
go unpunished.
612
00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:58,969
Before the procedure,
613
00:27:59,144 --> 00:28:01,636
did Nurse Rhodes ask you if
you had sickle cell anemia
614
00:28:01,713 --> 00:28:03,112
or sickle syndrome?
615
00:28:03,182 --> 00:28:04,182
Yes.
616
00:28:04,483 --> 00:28:05,483
Do you?
617
00:28:05,551 --> 00:28:06,551
No.
618
00:28:07,152 --> 00:28:08,244
But she asked?
619
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Yes.
620
00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:11,652
I remember 'cause nobody
asked me questions like that
621
00:28:11,723 --> 00:28:13,452
before a pap smear.
622
00:28:13,725 --> 00:28:18,060
Could you tell the jury what happened
after your visit to Nurse Rhodes
623
00:28:18,397 --> 00:28:22,527
for a simple pelvic exam
approximately two years ago?
624
00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:26,232
I got sick. I remember Nurse
Rhodes pulled something out of me.
625
00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:28,430
It hurt.
626
00:28:28,507 --> 00:28:29,770
I didn't see what it was.
627
00:28:29,975 --> 00:28:32,205
But you were concerned
that something was wrong?
628
00:28:32,678 --> 00:28:33,678
Yes, sir.
629
00:28:33,779 --> 00:28:35,611
Afterwards, I even asked.
630
00:28:40,786 --> 00:28:42,584
Take your time, Miss Perez.
631
00:28:45,991 --> 00:28:48,085
I asked her if I
could still have babies.
632
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,992
And what did Nurse Rhodes say?
633
00:28:50,062 --> 00:28:52,588
She just smiled at me.
She said, "You're young."
634
00:28:52,931 --> 00:28:56,128
"Straighten out your life
before you worry about that."
635
00:28:56,702 --> 00:28:58,136
She lied right to my face.
636
00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:02,504
Did she ever explain to you why
she chose to sterilize you?
637
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:04,304
No, sir.
638
00:29:06,044 --> 00:29:09,480
At the time this happened, had you
been in trouble with the law?
639
00:29:10,983 --> 00:29:15,045
I had several convictions for
drug possession and solicitation.
640
00:29:15,988 --> 00:29:18,013
Have you been arrested
in the last three years?
641
00:29:18,257 --> 00:29:20,658
No, sir. I went through
a treatment program.
642
00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:22,449
I go to college now.
643
00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:25,454
Thank you, Miss Perez,
nothing further.
644
00:29:27,566 --> 00:29:29,625
Convicted of solicitation.
645
00:29:31,837 --> 00:29:32,963
How many times?
646
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:35,039
Four.
647
00:29:36,975 --> 00:29:38,101
Have you ever had gonorrhea?
648
00:29:38,176 --> 00:29:39,176
Objection.
649
00:29:39,244 --> 00:29:41,456
It goes to an alternate explanation
for her sterility, Your Honor.
650
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,380
It goes to villainizing
the witness.
651
00:29:43,482 --> 00:29:44,677
Overruled.
652
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:47,412
But proceed with caution,
Mr. Robinette.
653
00:29:50,222 --> 00:29:51,587
Miss Perez?
654
00:29:52,524 --> 00:29:54,583
Have you ever had gonorrhea?
655
00:29:56,061 --> 00:29:58,496
Answer the question, please.
656
00:29:58,864 --> 00:29:59,922
Yes.
657
00:30:03,001 --> 00:30:04,366
What about chlamydia?
658
00:30:05,604 --> 00:30:06,696
I don't remember.
659
00:30:06,772 --> 00:30:08,650
You don't remember being
diagnosed on March 4 of...
660
00:30:08,674 --> 00:30:10,073
You know, that's not
why I'm here.
661
00:30:10,142 --> 00:30:11,219
Did you have chlamydia or not?
662
00:30:11,243 --> 00:30:13,803
Shut your mouth! Why you
on her side, anyway, huh?
663
00:30:13,879 --> 00:30:15,608
Your Honor! She did this to me!
664
00:30:15,681 --> 00:30:17,149
She took away my babies!
665
00:30:17,215 --> 00:30:18,910
Straighten out my life,
bitch, for what?
666
00:30:18,984 --> 00:30:20,145
Miss Perez, please.
667
00:30:20,218 --> 00:30:21,296
I can't have babies!
I can't be a mother!
668
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,812
You gonna pay, bitch! You know that?
You gonna pay!
669
00:30:23,889 --> 00:30:25,789
You're gonna pay for this!
670
00:30:50,148 --> 00:30:52,640
So our key witness had a
meltdown on the stand.
671
00:30:52,884 --> 00:30:56,616
Not necessarily fatal. Her emotion
might win some sympathy for Traci.
672
00:30:56,722 --> 00:31:00,681
Or she scared a few jurors into
thinking Gloria Rhodes was right.
673
00:31:01,493 --> 00:31:03,188
L think I need to offer a plea.
674
00:31:03,362 --> 00:31:05,831
I talked to Robinette.
He'll accept man two.
675
00:31:05,897 --> 00:31:06,921
It's not enough.
676
00:31:06,998 --> 00:31:10,298
I know you've already condemned
her to NOW, and the NAACP,
677
00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:11,461
and half of New York.
678
00:31:11,536 --> 00:31:14,972
It's not about politics, Jack, I'm
outraged, like a lot of people.
679
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,341
Our legal system is how society vents
that outrage instead of vigilantism.
680
00:31:19,644 --> 00:31:21,772
I just don't wanna see her walk.
681
00:31:22,447 --> 00:31:24,176
Then don't let her.
682
00:31:27,386 --> 00:31:30,356
Nurse Rhodes, why did you
perform a benecrine sterilization
683
00:31:30,422 --> 00:31:31,821
on Traci Sands?
684
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:36,388
Traci was a lost, frightened young
woman with a serious drug addiction.
685
00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:39,493
She'd been in trouble with
the law since she was nine.
686
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:42,328
After two abortions, she
had a baby girl, Kesha,
687
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:44,335
whom she abused terribly.
688
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:46,861
Threw boiling water on her.
689
00:31:47,305 --> 00:31:49,296
So when Traci Sands came to me
690
00:31:49,374 --> 00:31:53,038
after Child Services had
taken her baby, in tears,
691
00:31:53,345 --> 00:31:55,404
begging me to perform
the procedure,
692
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,776
begging me to save her from herself,
from her own worst instincts,
693
00:32:00,552 --> 00:32:01,610
I agreed.
694
00:32:02,954 --> 00:32:04,080
Why did you agree?
695
00:32:04,189 --> 00:32:09,320
I thought I was doing her, and her
potential unborn children, a favor.
696
00:32:10,061 --> 00:32:11,586
Why benecrine specifically,
697
00:32:11,797 --> 00:32:13,856
instead of tubal ligation
or Norplant?
698
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:17,467
Traci was afraid of surgery, but
she wanted it to be permanent.
699
00:32:18,069 --> 00:32:21,039
Based on my experience, benecrine
was a safe alternative.
700
00:32:23,442 --> 00:32:26,673
Did you ask Traci Sands
if she had sickle syndrome?
701
00:32:27,145 --> 00:32:28,203
Yes.
702
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,514
What did she say?
703
00:32:31,149 --> 00:32:33,447
She said no,
that she was healthy.
704
00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:43,285
Benecrine sterilization
was safe?
705
00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:46,621
Are you aware that
it isn't FDA approved?
706
00:32:46,932 --> 00:32:50,095
Safety isn't the only reason
the FDA withholds approval.
707
00:32:50,168 --> 00:32:54,036
Did you know there are concerns
that benecrine causes cancer?
708
00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:57,567
Only because the studies that
prove it doesn't are incomplete.
709
00:32:58,543 --> 00:33:02,104
When did you learn that Traci
Sands had sickle syndrome?
710
00:33:02,914 --> 00:33:05,474
Shortly after she passed on.
711
00:33:06,318 --> 00:33:07,979
She had been
diagnosed as a child,
712
00:33:08,053 --> 00:33:10,317
but those records were never
forwarded to my clinic.
713
00:33:10,622 --> 00:33:13,148
She had been diagnosed
with sickle syndrome.
714
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,020
And yet it's your testimony
715
00:33:16,228 --> 00:33:18,094
that she told you
she was healthy?
716
00:33:18,563 --> 00:33:19,758
Yes.
717
00:33:20,098 --> 00:33:23,796
I think she wanted the procedure
so badly she was willing to lie.
718
00:33:23,869 --> 00:33:27,305
After you made
it clear that benecrine
719
00:33:27,405 --> 00:33:29,533
could kill a person
in her condition,
720
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:33,444
she chose to lie and put
her own life at risk?
721
00:33:33,945 --> 00:33:37,040
It may not make sense to
someone like you, Mr. McCoy,
722
00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:40,441
but for a girl crushed by
poverty, addiction and abuse,
723
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:41,918
it was perfectly clear.
724
00:33:42,254 --> 00:33:44,222
Perfectly clear to whom?
725
00:33:45,824 --> 00:33:47,019
To you?
726
00:33:47,792 --> 00:33:49,988
To anyone capable of sympathy.
727
00:33:52,564 --> 00:33:55,761
When you see how Traci
tortured her own daughter,
728
00:33:56,468 --> 00:33:59,768
you know it should never be
allowed to happen again.
729
00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:03,668
But that doesn't change the fact
that Traci asked me for help.
730
00:34:04,309 --> 00:34:06,209
That it was her choice.
731
00:34:24,596 --> 00:34:26,064
You think the jury believed her?
732
00:34:26,131 --> 00:34:27,223
Every word.
733
00:34:27,299 --> 00:34:28,789
Do we have fuel to impeach?
734
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,870
Of course. But we don't have
any rebuttal witnesses.
735
00:34:31,937 --> 00:34:33,200
What about Traci's grandmother?
736
00:34:33,271 --> 00:34:34,329
On what basis?
737
00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:36,170
She told us Traci
wanted more children.
738
00:34:36,241 --> 00:34:39,768
Why would somebody who wouldn't take
the pill agree to sterilization?
739
00:34:39,844 --> 00:34:41,369
Track her down.
740
00:34:42,681 --> 00:34:46,208
I just want to wash my hands of
this whole thing and move on.
741
00:34:46,284 --> 00:34:47,342
I can subpoena you.
742
00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:48,614
And make me say what?
743
00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:50,451
That Traci wanted more children.
744
00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:52,650
That she refused
to use contraceptives.
745
00:34:52,724 --> 00:34:55,523
That she would never have
consented to being sterilized.
746
00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:58,427
I just wanna put this thing behind
me, can't you understand that?
747
00:34:58,496 --> 00:35:00,296
If she was my granddaughter,
I'd want answers.
748
00:35:00,398 --> 00:35:01,638
I'd want the truth to come out.
749
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,101
But she is not
your granddaughter.
750
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:07,238
And sometimes the truth,
751
00:35:07,739 --> 00:35:10,709
especially up here,
ain't so pretty.
752
00:35:11,476 --> 00:35:13,274
Nurse Rhodes killed Traci.
753
00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:15,809
Gloria was just trying to help.
754
00:35:16,982 --> 00:35:18,313
The same with Savannah,
755
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:20,475
and everyone else
at that clinic.
756
00:35:21,286 --> 00:35:22,583
What do you mean?
757
00:35:23,622 --> 00:35:25,488
Those are good people
758
00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:27,986
trying to do right.
759
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:31,421
You can't fault them
for what happened!
760
00:35:40,071 --> 00:35:41,436
Miss Borgia?
761
00:35:41,506 --> 00:35:42,803
Did you lie to me, Savannah?
762
00:35:42,874 --> 00:35:44,205
What? No!
763
00:35:44,542 --> 00:35:47,671
You told me Traci Sands came
to the clinic alone. She did.
764
00:35:48,046 --> 00:35:51,038
Like I said, it was just Nurse
G and Traci in the exam room.
765
00:35:51,116 --> 00:35:52,914
What about Lillie Sands,
her grandmother?
766
00:35:53,051 --> 00:35:54,109
What about her?
767
00:35:54,185 --> 00:35:55,778
How does she know you?
768
00:35:55,854 --> 00:35:57,481
She comes in sometimes.
769
00:35:57,555 --> 00:35:59,580
Don't lie to me, Savannah.
770
00:36:01,292 --> 00:36:02,589
Savannah.
771
00:36:11,069 --> 00:36:13,663
Miss Sands came in
a few days before Traci.
772
00:36:13,738 --> 00:36:14,796
What for?
773
00:36:14,873 --> 00:36:16,602
She was just talking to Nurse G!
774
00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:18,040
About what?
775
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,515
Security sign-in sheets confirm
you were at the clinic
776
00:36:24,582 --> 00:36:26,573
two days before
Traci was sterilized.
777
00:36:27,452 --> 00:36:29,944
Yet you received
no medical services.
778
00:36:33,425 --> 00:36:36,486
What did you and Gloria
Rhodes discuss, Mrs. Sands?
779
00:36:38,063 --> 00:36:39,861
I can't say anything.
780
00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:43,358
I can't get in trouble.
781
00:36:44,502 --> 00:36:45,628
Lillie.
782
00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:48,901
Who's gonna look after my
family if I'm not around?
783
00:36:50,075 --> 00:36:51,668
Sara and Damien,
784
00:36:52,977 --> 00:36:54,706
I'm all they've got.
785
00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:58,110
No one else cares
if they live or die.
786
00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:03,950
If you agree to testify truthfully,
I can grant you immunity.
787
00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:05,353
You won't go to jail.
788
00:37:07,459 --> 00:37:12,363
Understand, Mr. McCoy, that you're
not just making a deal with me.
789
00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:20,068
You're making a promise to them.
790
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:23,931
Tell the truth and you
won't go to jail.
791
00:37:24,008 --> 00:37:25,635
You have my word.
792
00:37:33,218 --> 00:37:36,051
Traci didn't know
she was being sterilized.
793
00:37:37,455 --> 00:37:38,786
But I did.
794
00:37:40,191 --> 00:37:41,454
How did you know?
795
00:37:41,526 --> 00:37:43,392
I talked to Nurse Rhodes.
796
00:37:43,461 --> 00:37:45,930
I could see the path
Traci was on.
797
00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:51,126
I couldn't get her off drugs,
couldn't stop her having sex.
798
00:37:52,737 --> 00:37:54,705
I tried to get her Norplant,
799
00:37:55,073 --> 00:37:58,134
but doctors wouldn't do it
without Traci's consent.
800
00:37:58,209 --> 00:37:59,643
So what did you do?
801
00:37:59,711 --> 00:38:02,703
I went to the clinic,
talked to Gloria Rhodes,
802
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,079
and she told me about benecrine.
803
00:38:06,317 --> 00:38:08,115
What did you say to her?
804
00:38:09,387 --> 00:38:10,855
I asked her...
805
00:38:13,558 --> 00:38:14,855
Oh, God.
806
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:22,562
I asked her to make it so that
Traci could never have kids.
807
00:38:24,536 --> 00:38:26,402
I had to do something.
808
00:38:26,905 --> 00:38:28,964
After what she did to Kesha.
809
00:38:30,809 --> 00:38:32,743
See, Traci was my mistake.
810
00:38:34,712 --> 00:38:36,180
My fault.
811
00:38:37,282 --> 00:38:38,647
Her mother...
812
00:38:40,785 --> 00:38:43,117
I should have protected Traci.
813
00:38:44,889 --> 00:38:46,880
I should have raised her.
814
00:38:50,728 --> 00:38:54,130
It can't go on like this.
It has to stop somewhere.
815
00:38:58,937 --> 00:39:02,430
Did you tell Nurse Rhodes
about Traci's sickle syndrome?
816
00:39:03,741 --> 00:39:04,799
Yes.
817
00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:07,312
I was worried about it.
818
00:39:07,779 --> 00:39:09,338
So I told her.
819
00:39:09,747 --> 00:39:12,307
Traci was diagnosed
when she was seven.
820
00:39:13,651 --> 00:39:16,677
And Gloria says she
didn't know Traci had it.
821
00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:20,217
But she did know.
822
00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:23,092
L told her.
823
00:39:25,496 --> 00:39:27,794
Did she say that
would be a problem?
824
00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:29,731
She didn't say anything.
825
00:39:31,169 --> 00:39:34,901
So I asked her if she could
still give Traci the IUD.
826
00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:39,402
And she told me
it would be fine.
827
00:39:43,915 --> 00:39:45,041
Nothing further.
828
00:39:54,058 --> 00:39:55,287
She was convincing.
829
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,105
Just to be safe, make sure we include
man two in the jury instructions.
830
00:39:58,129 --> 00:40:00,154
I already tried.
Robinette objected.
831
00:40:00,365 --> 00:40:02,333
After he said
he'd accept it as a plea?
832
00:40:02,433 --> 00:40:03,923
That was then.
833
00:40:04,802 --> 00:40:06,566
The People made this
political, Your Honor.
834
00:40:06,704 --> 00:40:08,172
They chose to up
the ante to murder,
835
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,866
but now they want to hedge.
836
00:40:09,974 --> 00:40:12,944
Your Honor, we have met all the
elements of reckless manslaughter.
837
00:40:13,111 --> 00:40:16,012
I'm not sure you should have
it both ways, Mr. McCoy.
838
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,606
The law allows them to
consider all the options.
839
00:40:18,716 --> 00:40:19,877
Not necessarily.
840
00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:22,921
And I'm inclined to see
them pressed to respond.
841
00:40:23,288 --> 00:40:25,814
When the Nazis
sent my father to Dachau,
842
00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:27,790
it was because people
who knew it was wrong
843
00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:29,657
didn't get mad enough
to stop it.
844
00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:33,420
Much as I would like them to,
845
00:40:33,731 --> 00:40:35,927
the jury shouldn't have
to believe Nurse Rhodes
846
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,163
is Josef Mengele to think
that she broke the law.
847
00:40:45,476 --> 00:40:46,944
You're right.
848
00:40:48,313 --> 00:40:50,680
I'll go with the
prosecution's recommendation.
849
00:40:50,748 --> 00:40:52,580
The jury may consider man two.
850
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:03,120
Have you reached a verdict?
851
00:41:03,194 --> 00:41:04,559
We have, Your Honor.
852
00:41:04,629 --> 00:41:06,097
What say you?
853
00:41:06,331 --> 00:41:09,460
On the first count of the indictment,
murder in the second degree,
854
00:41:10,101 --> 00:41:13,162
we find the defendant,
Gloria Rhodes, not guilty.
855
00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:16,330
On the second count
in the indictment,
856
00:41:16,441 --> 00:41:18,500
manslaughter in
the second degree,
857
00:41:18,576 --> 00:41:20,806
we find the defendant guilty.
858
00:41:21,746 --> 00:41:24,681
The court thanks
the jurors for their service.
859
00:41:24,949 --> 00:41:28,180
Sentencing to take place
tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m.
860
00:41:37,462 --> 00:41:39,726
We'll fight this
on appeal. It isn't over.
861
00:41:39,797 --> 00:41:40,855
Far from it.
862
00:41:40,932 --> 00:41:44,266
We've filed charges relating to
the other girls she sterilized.
863
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,497
And we're launching an
investigation to determine
864
00:41:46,571 --> 00:41:48,596
the full extent
of your client's crimes.
865
00:41:49,407 --> 00:41:51,501
You don't understand, Mr. McCoy.
866
00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,242
You don't see how these girls...
867
00:41:53,311 --> 00:41:55,678
These children
treat their babies.
868
00:41:56,314 --> 00:41:59,215
I never meant to hurt her,
but I couldn't risk it.
869
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:02,483
The world doesn't need
another Traci Sands.
870
00:42:03,388 --> 00:42:05,584
We've found evidence
that you performed
871
00:42:05,656 --> 00:42:09,092
at least 20 other forced
sterilizations, Miss Rhodes.
872
00:42:11,229 --> 00:42:13,163
What the world doesn't
need is you.
873
00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:30,345
So Why'd you take it, Paul?
874
00:42:31,082 --> 00:42:33,642
Why defend someone
like Gloria Rhodes?
875
00:42:35,453 --> 00:42:37,444
I could give you reasons.
876
00:42:38,122 --> 00:42:40,284
The good she's done
with the clinic,
877
00:42:40,591 --> 00:42:42,787
innocent until proven guilty.
878
00:42:44,896 --> 00:42:48,958
But tell me your job wouldn't be easier
if people like Traci were never born.
879
00:42:50,001 --> 00:42:52,026
That the world
wouldn't be a better place.
880
00:42:53,938 --> 00:42:55,565
I won't say that.
881
00:42:55,873 --> 00:42:57,466
You already did.
882
00:42:57,809 --> 00:42:59,436
Gloria Rhodes
isn't Josef Mengele.
883
00:43:01,879 --> 00:43:05,110
Nobody wants to admit they
think she did the right thing.
884
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:08,242
But if they look for it,
you look for it,
885
00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:11,114
deep down, it's there.
886
00:43:13,524 --> 00:43:15,492
That deserves a defense.
887
00:43:15,542 --> 00:43:20,092
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