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The one person I really wouldn't
want to find me watching porn
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would be my wife because I really
don't want to hurt her.
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You know, I never, ever wanted
to watch porn and hurt my wife
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or have her feel betrayed which is
what pornography does to a spouse.
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So in its worst, on a bad day,
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it could be two or three
hours of bingeing,
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you know, just Twitter and feasting
on this buffet of two-minute videos.
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Just constantly diving into it which
is why I class it as an addiction.
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The programme contains strong
language, nudity, adult content
and graphic discussion about the
pornography industry and sex
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Porn.
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It's only ever a mouse click away.
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Whoever you are, wherever you are.
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No-one needs to know you are
looking at it
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and it's absolutely free.
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In Britain, we've become so worried,
there are now plans to block
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under-18s from watching online porn.
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Yes.
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Yes, I know you're cumming,
you're cumming, you're cumming.
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Since this programme started,
one minute ago,
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more than 50,000 people
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have gone onto the world's biggest
internet porn site, Pornhub.
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How often would you use porn now?
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Sometimes two times a day,
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up to maybe easily probably
minimum five times a week.
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It's hard to, like, get into bed
with your phone in your hand
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and not then look at porn.
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Yeah.
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Pornhub alone receives
92 million visitors a day,
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that's like the combined population
of Spain and Uganda logging on.
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"Big tit anal..".
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It's an industry
that's worth billions.
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If I didn't think that I could make
$50,000 to $60,000 a month,
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if I didn't think I could do that,
I wouldn't be doing this.
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The genie is out of the bottle.
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The internet was made for porn.
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We brought porn to the masses.
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There is more porn flooding the
Earth than ever before
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in the history of mankind.
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We'll explore how we got here,
how porn became free,
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and how it exploded across
the world.
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I just can't get my head round
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that 11-, 12-, 13-year-olds
are watching porn.
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I feel like I was fucked up because
I was watching porn at 12 years old.
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We'll also try to understand
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if porn is beginning to change you.
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Because, whether
you want to admit it or not,
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you are the people watching it.
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Have fun, rolling and action.
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There is a revolution going on
in the world of porn,
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19-year-old Gia is six months
into her porn career.
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It's a job she's aspired to
since she was just 12.
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I do anal, I do girl-girl, I do
boy-girl, I'm doing boy-boy-girl,
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I'm pretty open.
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I don't really have a line
right now.
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I'm reaching for the stars.
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The days of soft-focus,
erotic fantasy are long gone.
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The kind of porn Gia makes
was once labelled extreme.
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Today, it's everywhere.
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You can watch it on your smartphone.
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So in a world where it's easier
than ever before to watch
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extreme content, it's time to ask...
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..is porn beginning to change us?
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This is Cam Girl:
The New Movie,
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Latin Teens, Anal Newbies 8,
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Rocko's Hard Academy
Part 4 Goes Live,
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Anal Darling 2, DP Bandits, Hooked
Up Hot Shots, Double Anal Addiction,
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Sloppy Anal Babe,
Young Butt Sex Nymphos.
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Anal, everything is anal,
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Anal Depraved.
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I don't got to watch it,
you know, but, yeah,
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I sometimes do see a little
sometimes things I have to question.
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This is the head office of porn
production company Evil Angel.
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When the company started out
30 years ago, it broke new ground...
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..making explicit content with
a focus on anal sex.
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But as porn has exploded across the
internet, the boundaries have
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been pushed further and further.
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Today, you'll find this
kind of porn everywhere.
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It's industry standard.
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My name is Adam Grayson.
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I'm the Chief Financial Officer
of Evil Angel.
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I don't take what we do for
a living all that seriously.
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I mean, we are in the
pants-around-ankles
masturbation business.
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So this is our content team.
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The wandering souls who have to
watch porn all day, every day.
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MUSIC: GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
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That's God Save The Queen.
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Well, I did that for you.
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This was given to us by... Given to
me by an Evil Angel super fan
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as an example of his thanks for all
the fine service that we provide.
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I have to review probably close
to 80%
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of everything that comes
through our doors.
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It's a lot, a rough guess would be
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anywhere from, like, two to six
hours of content a day.
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I've been here 11 years now.
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There are now 103 Evil Angel movies
being viewed right now
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or being downloaded as we speak.
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So, October 1st we have
Anal Investigation.
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That is an interesting title.
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Evil Angels owner
is John Stagliano.
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Anal Gaping Nurses.
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I haven't heard of that
title before.
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He created a type of porn that came
to define the company.
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In 1994, or maybe
it was January of '95,
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AVN came up with a name
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for this first-person, POV kind of
thing that I was doing in Buttman.
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And they called it Gonzo...
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Yes, more, more.
Bend over just a little bit more.
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..which they took from what was used
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to describe Hunter Thompson's
writing,
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where he would interview
a person or go to Las Vegas
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with that person or something
and he would talk about
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his personal reactions to the person
and he would be part of the story.
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Can you, can you take that off?
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Is that possible?
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This amateur point-of-view style
is what dominates porn today.
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Can I touch?
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What's this?
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This is where all the real magic
happens, all the ones and zeros,
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this is all the video library just
storing a lot of video.
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This is the heart of the monster,
if you will.
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It's about a half a petabyte,
maybe a little more.
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600 terabyte, something like that.
Petabyte is 1024 terabytes,
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so more than half a petabyte,
I believe, at this point.
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That's a lot of porn.
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It's a lot of porn.
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It would take you about five
solid months to watch
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all of Evil Angel's content,
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but it's minuscule if you compare it
to the world's biggest free site,
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Pornhub.
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The content uploaded to Pornhub
in five months,
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would take you 48 years to watch.
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Tracy, you watch... Would you watch
porn on your own quite a lot?
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Yeah, if we go on either
of our phones,
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if you go onto, like, Safari,
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it says the most viewed things
that you look at.
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And mine's Pornhub and
yours is that... Yeah.
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Every time you touch your phone,
that's... You are kind of associated
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with like a dog and a bone, like,
they hear the food,
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and you start salivating, like,
every time you touch your phone,
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you're like, "This is what brings
me pleasure," and it's hard to
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then get into bed with your phone in
your hand and not then look at porn.
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So when you first looked
at online porn,
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do you remember what kind
of sex you were seeing?
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Yeah, so I remember the video,
I can tell you...
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I couldn't tell you the name of
the actor... You know the video?!
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..but I remember the video
straight up
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and this is the most interesting
thing was the fact
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that when I was watching it,
it was actually an anal video.
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I didn't know that it was anal,
to me that was normal so it's...
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What do you mean you didn't
know it? What do you mean by that?
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You were confused
by what you were seeing?
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I wasn't...
I wouldn't say I was confused,
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I just thought that was sex,
so like to me like I didn't realise
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he had it in her arse pretty much
like I thought that was...
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Normal.
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Yeah, I didn't think it
was like, you know,
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but, yeah,
I thought that was sex.
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Fallon is our photo editor,
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she's in charge of selecting
imagery for everything.
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So, she gets to look at photos
all day, until her eyes bleed.
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I'm choosing hardcore photographs,
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a set of five, to represent scenes
and I'm picking whatever
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is closest to the camera, whatever
looks the most obscene,
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and I have to think like a guy, as
to like what would they want to see
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immediately to judge, "This is a
scene worth buying and downloading."
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Trying to predict our tastes or
even influence them
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is at the heart of the internet
porn industry.
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What you might not realise is that
when you visit big free porn sites,
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they keep a very close eye
on what you search for,
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what you click on and even
the point you skipped to in a video.
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Then they use artificial
intelligence and clever algorithms
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to offer you new videos based
on what they think you might like.
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It's a bit like online shopping.
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Retailers typically feed
your purchase history
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into a recommendations algorithm.
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So if you have just bought a bottle
of suntan lotion,
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they might try and sell
you a new bikini.
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Porn is no different.
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The masses of customer data
collected by the free site
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is also fed back to producers
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so they can make more
of what's popular
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and that can be surprising.
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So with millions of eyeballs
on internet porn every day,
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it makes you wonder
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who's really making the choice
about what porn we watch?
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Us or them?
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Six months into her porn career,
Gia is heading to a shoot with
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one of Evil Angel's
most-prolific directors.
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I am going to Jonni Darkko's
apartment to do anal.
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We'll take pictures,
we'll maybe do a tease probably,
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and then we'll just
get into the sex.
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This is only I think my
third anal scene this month,
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that's what Evil Angels are about.
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That's great, twist the butt to me
a little more.
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Right there, right there,
right there. Good.
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Good, beautiful,
they look beautiful.
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Now just nice and...
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There we go.
Beautiful. Good.
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Jonni Darkko shoots and performs
in his videos,
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which he himself describes
as extreme.
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Nice and easy, there you go.
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Now bring both knees up
a little bit more,
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there you go.
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Gia is 19,
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Jonni is 53.
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Now lean back and grab your bootie.
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What is this for, Jonni?
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It's a movie called I Love Anal.
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We will see how crazy it gets.
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That's a nice little move
there, girl.
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Following your hands, I love it.
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Good. Come up to your face,
turn around and find me, boom.
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Nice.
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Good, perfect.
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Go warm up and take this upstairs.
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If you guys want to shoot
a little bit upstairs,
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you're cool, you can do that, too,
but we're going to start soon,
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probably in the next half an hour.
Grab that.
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Cool, everything good? Yeah.
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Grab your shoes.
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Come upstairs and we can kind of...
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It's kind of a little better
up here.
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Plus the damn cat ain't up here.
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So, Jonni, can you tell me
what is actually going to
happen in the scene?
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We are going to
shoot a boy-girl anal scene.
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Nothing... I mean, we'll just kind
of keep it simple,
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but some of it's POV,
so it's point of view, you know?
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So people can get an idea of what
it's like to look down at that
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and that and the whole thing.
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If you guys want to shoot
a little bit of that, you can.
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We will catch you later on.
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One of the big trends in
the porn industry
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is to show women looking shocked
and maybe sometimes scared...
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..but I personally like to add
in photos,
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like this one of her smiling,
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cos me personally I would like
to see at least one image
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out of five where the female is
actually enjoying herself
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and not scared.
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I have been here since
March 4th.
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It's been a very eye-opening
experience...
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..in many, many ways.
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Because a lot of this is really
hardcore, really obscene sex.
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It was clear Fallon had more to say,
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but the open-plan office was making
things a little difficult for her.
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Most of us spend no more than ten
minutes on a single visit
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to the world's biggest porn site.
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But for some, minutes can soon
turn into hours.
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How often would you use porn now?
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I'd probably say recently,
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a lot, like...
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..five times a week maybe.
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I'd probably sometimes two
times a day,
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up to maybe easily probably
a minimum five times a week.
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It's probably got to the point where
you are literally spending
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an hour or an hour and a half
to find that perfect video,
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because you've seen so many, you've
seen them all and it's now boring.
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This programme contains strong
language, nudity, adult content
and graphic discussion about the
pornography industry and sex
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It's hard to go without it.
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Just like, for example, sometimes
you go on holiday.
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You can't get porn on the phone,
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because some countries I have been
in, you just can't find it anywhere.
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When you're in Korea, it's really
difficult. Because it's blocked.
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But it is, if you're in Thailand,
you can't access porn on your phone.
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Yeah, if you're not connected.
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So where do you think it becomes
something that you're in control of,
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or...or porn on the internet is
sort of in control of you?
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I think it is in control of us.
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Hey, guys.
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Hi.
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All right, love?
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Yeah.
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Hey.
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You all right, baby?
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Yeah. Had a good day?
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Yeah.
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Hey, darling, hey.
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What have you got,
what have you got?
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You guys have been through quite
a lot.
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Yeah. Would you say you're
happier now?
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BABY CRIES
Hey, sh, sh, sh...
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Yeah.
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Our marriage definitely,
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yeah, best it's ever been,
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especially the last the last year or
so. I think the good thing is
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that everything that we went
through,
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because we've come out of it and
there's freedom now, I think it's
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actually drawn us in closer,
hasn't it?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, I would probably
say that we're closer now
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than we've ever been before,
even before all this happened.
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I think we're definitely tighter
than we've ever been.
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I mean, Lydia, is it fair to say
Rob's a recovering porn addict?
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Recovered - I would say, yeah,
so he's not...
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He was in a period of recovering,
I guess,
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but I would say recovered now.
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You know, I haven't watched
pornography now for as long as
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I can remember, so I'd say that
we are,
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I am recovered, not recovering.
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What did it look like on a daily
basis when you were in the throes
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of porn addiction?
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So, in its worst, on a bad day,
it could be two or three hours
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of bingeing, feasting on this
buffet of two-minute videos,
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just constantly diving into it. But
I was trying to stop at all times,
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because I really don't want to
hurt her,
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whether it's the man or the woman,
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the other one does feel
betrayed, mostly.
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Did you feel betrayed, Lydia?
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Yeah, cos it's not me.
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He's finding comfort in
someone else, um, yeah.
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What's the matter?
BABY CRIES
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Did it make you feel less?
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Yeah, it makes you feel like you're
not enough.
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I mean, it's hard
because obviously...
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Her dummy's over there, by
the way.
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..I've had three kids in quite a
small space of time,
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and obviously that does affect you.
It changes your body,
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it changes your emotions, your
hormones, everything.
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So, I felt like it's partly my fault
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because I wasn't giving him what he
needed.
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Rob, when you were at your most
extreme with watching porn,
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would you ever try and make excuses
to find a time to go and watch it?
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Um, I remember times where, say, I'd
be driving around
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quoting jobs for my business.
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You're a painter and decorator?
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Yeah, I run a decorating company,
and I would find myself coming home
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from that quote and then kind of
feeling that urge
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and knowing Lydia will be home in
about an hour from the school run,
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so if I get home quickly now...
I mean, this is like a year and
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a half ago, but I would put my foot
down to get home quickly, so I could
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have that time and that freedom,
if you like, to be able to just
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view porn at my leisure and feast on
the opportunity of that pornography.
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Do you think that some of the things
that you want to do
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are influenced by what you've seen
in porn?
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Yeah, because you learn new things
on porn, so, like, there have
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been some stuff that obviously
I wouldn't have a clue about
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and then I've seen, like, a porn
video, and I was like,
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"Oh, that looks good." Obviously
that influences you
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to try different things.
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There's the thought of
being forceful,
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so, like, for example, you might
just see a guy might throw
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himself on a girl, and she might
like it, or he does stuff like
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controls her sort of in a really
aggressive way. I mean, I like when
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I'm watching porn, like slapping and
choking, it's quite a norm.
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I think it is quite a norm, like,
cos it happens in porn all the time.
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Yeah. And I think girls pick up on
it as well,
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and I think maybe when girls watch
porn, you always see the girl
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enjoying it and liking it, so it's
definitely something that's big.
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Now we're out of the office, what
do you really think of the photos
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that you're editing?
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They're fucking disgusting.
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They are abhorrent.
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And a lot of these photographs,
you can tell just by looking
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at a female performer's eyes,
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who's enjoying it and who's not.
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You can tell the ones that are
empowered by it,
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they're like, "Fuck yeah, this
is my life, this is... I own this.
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"This is my body, and I can do
whatever I want with it."
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And then there's other girls that
unfortunately just,
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even some guys that look like,
"What the fuck am I doing here?"
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Or, "I really need to pay rent."
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I've always been a huge fan of
pornography all the way back
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to college, which was part of the
reason why I was so intrigued
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to work for Evil Angel and the
porn industry
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because I felt like it would be
celebrating life.
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I took these photographs
a couple of years ago.
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They were a friend of a friend.
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I just wanted to capture the
authenticity of their lovemaking.
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It was very nice. Probably sounds
strange to most people, but
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it was very freeing and I thought,
you know, "I can definitely see
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"myself doing this for a living."
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I never watched degrading porn.
I never sought that out.
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I didn't really know it existed.
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I knew it existed, I just didn't
know how bad it was.
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That particular genre of porn tells
today's youth
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that sex is only to be enjoyed by
the man.
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He's supposed to cum in my face,
he's supposed to slap me
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and manhandle me and this is how we
should expect to be treated.
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I don't think that this type
of pornography should be produced.
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Oh, yeah,
you've got to do this one, too.
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Give me that, give me that.
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Hold on, let me kill this light
that's blasting my fucking retina.
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Thank you. Burning my fucking
eyeball out.
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How did it go?
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Awesome.
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SHE LAUGHS
Here we go. Bye, sweetpea.
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Bye, thank you. Awesome work.
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Thank you.
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Gia grew up in a churchgoing
family.
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She left her hometown in Ohio to
come to LA.
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She's been signed to one of the
industry's top agents
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and is already earning between
$4,000-$6,000 a week.
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She's shot almost 100 scenes.
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Now, you've done so many.
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Yeah. Does it feel like just kind of
a pretty normal day's work.
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Yeah, it was a normal day's work.
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It was pretty good. I put, um, these
little, like, white balls
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in my butt today, and I actually
haven't done that before.
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So, that was fun.
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They were like ball pit balls, like,
when you jump into like a ball pit.
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They're quite big.
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I think they're a little smaller.
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I don't know. It was like...
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I mean, a lot of people would think
that that's quite sort of crazy.
404
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,600
Like, so...
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00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,560
..no, I don't think it's crazy.
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00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,200
It might be a little, like, taboo,
like, not everyone's doing it.
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00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,240
But...
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Does that then, like, feed into your
personal life?
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Yeah, like, I feel...
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Like, does porn sex and non-porn
sex sort of...?
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..intertwine, yeah. I feel like my
sexuality is just, like, so,
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so much broader.
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Like, it's just porn has opened...
Actually doing porn has opened up so
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many, like, sexual doors for me that
I didn't even know that...
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Or lines that I didn't even know
that I wanted to cross.
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Like, yeah, definitely.
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When I first got in the business, it
was, like, people who came to
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LA to be an actor or this or that
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and kind of got waylaid
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and kind of fell into the business.
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But now, with the advent of
the internet,
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it's more you can see girls...
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..desire to be in porn.
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That's their goal, they research it,
they watch it.
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They're not falling into it.
That is, you know,
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what they aspire to do.
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For me, I like to sit down
and talk to them
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and I want to know besides that
they're business-minded,
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I want to know that they're
perverts.
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Because I want them to be
doing this because
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00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,840
it's what they really like to do,
because they will last much longer.
432
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,160
But when I talk to her, you know,
"I'll do double vag,
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00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,080
"I'll do ass-to-mouth,
I'll do DP ATM,
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00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:38,480
"I'll do, you know, cum swapping,"
all this and all that.
435
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,400
And if a girl, and I'm like, "Have
you done porn before?"
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She's like, "No, I just turned 18."
437
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,000
In school, as soon as I hit puberty,
I was immediately, like, labelled
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a whore, and cos I had this big butt
and like guys would literally
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00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,640
just walk up to me in the hallway
and just like smack it or grab it.
440
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,040
And, like, I had just so much
anxiety, I didn't know how to handle
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00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,120
that, so I just accepted that I was
a whore, like, in eighth grade
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because that's what everyone said.
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00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,880
So, watching porn during that time
made me feel like
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I wasn't alone and it made me feel
like it wasn't necessarily wrong
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00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,600
to have sexual desires and it wasn't
necessarily wrong to have sex.
446
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,400
I really hated myself for the
longest time
447
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because, like, I wanted sex all
the time.
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And that was wrong.
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00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000
Being in porn, I just fit in,
and everyone else, like,
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has the same like sexual
desires and urges that I have,
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so it's kind of nice to be
around that.
452
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,200
It's almost as if porn has given Gia
a way to own her sexuality,
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to reclaim it from the school kids
who used to taunt her.
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For now, at least, she's in a world
where she feels accepted.
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This programme contains strong
language, nudity, adult content
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and graphic discussion about
the pornography industry and sex.
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I'm trying to think... I remember
the first time... Do you? Aw.
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..we watched porn
but I remember because...
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I remember because the ones
that you...
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Because it was you that chose it.
That French couple? Yeah.
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00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,520
And it's a couple that basically...
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Really hot. I just remember
propping the phone up,
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00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,480
watching porn
and then you were like...
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00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Yeah, I think it literally was...
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It was, like, on the pillow. Yeah.
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00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,960
You were on all fours and then I was
kind of, like, over the top,
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00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,000
behind, and then you, kind of,
got the view of the porn
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00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,440
for both of us, yeah. Yeah. It was
nice. On a tiny little phone.
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For Freddy and Tracy,
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watching porn together
has been a big part
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of their relationship
since they met a year ago.
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It's something they enjoy.
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00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,960
But porn can often be very secretive
474
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,320
and grow into something compulsive.
475
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,960
So, I had this on all my devices.
476
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000
It's called Accountable2You
477
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,200
and it just looks like this icon
here on my phone.
478
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,000
So, I've got all my normal...
479
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,640
I've got Facebook on there,
got my Chelsea app
480
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,320
and then that Accountable2You,
481
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,560
it's on my phone but it's...
482
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,280
Lydia's my accountability partner.
483
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,960
So, for example, because...
484
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,440
If I was to type on
any of my devices
485
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,520
"porn" or even words
like "sext" or...
486
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,280
Even "addiction", anything.
487
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,960
"Addiction", it would flag up
a warning.
488
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,680
So, does that ping on your phone,
then, Lydia? Yeah.
489
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,600
And then do you look at it?
490
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,160
Yeah. So, it will say, like,
"questionable activity"
491
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440
and that's on his phone. So, even,
like, voice searches,
492
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400
if it can be questionable at all
493
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,880
it will flag something up
and send me an e-mail.
494
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,480
So you obviously felt
you needed that?
495
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,680
Yeah. Yeah.
496
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,880
What was that giving you,
by having that app?
497
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,760
This programme, for me, helped me
so that I remember
498
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,920
days in the recovering process,
499
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,240
where I would want to watch porn
and,
500
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,760
if I had access to porn
without my wife finding out,
501
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,680
I probably would have turned to it,
I would have given in.
502
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960
Not being able to get away with it
in that moment
503
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,200
was, kind of,
the final ability to say, "No."
504
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,640
Rob would regularly spend
two or three hours
505
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,880
looking for the perfect video while
Lydia lay asleep up in bed.
506
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,520
But that perfect video didn't exist
507
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,000
because there was always
one more to watch.
508
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,040
There's disagreement as to
whether porn should be
509
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,640
classified as addictive.
510
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,680
What's not in doubt is that
there are many like Rob
511
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,240
whose porn use
has become compulsive.
512
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:04,480
For me, personally, pornography had
started when I was a teenager.
513
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,320
Erm, I went through... I then got
into a relationship where
514
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,600
I continued to use pornography and
it caused a lot of tension.
515
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,280
She'd find images on my phone,
erm, you know, videos.
516
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120
It broke her inside
because she loved me
517
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,400
and she wanted to be the only woman
that...that I saw,
518
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,560
you know what I mean? In THAT way.
519
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,280
I remember porn that, you know,
you would see a certain porn
520
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,880
and it would be so arousing,
you know, like, they were all
521
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,080
arousing but then there's
that one video,
522
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,560
or something like that, you're like,
523
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,760
"Whoa, that just ticked every single
possible box. That woman looked
524
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,960
"the way... That act...
Like, everything."
525
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,400
And it's, kind of, like,
years later that still...
526
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,080
I mean, if I let myself now I could
go to those memories, I could.
527
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,920
I don't because I have
this thing in my head.
528
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,080
I feel like the thought's
like a dog on a lead
529
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,960
and I keep that... If that thought
tries to get out
530
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,160
I'm like, "Yank that."
531
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,800
I don't let it go anywhere now. No.
532
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,000
So, do you think, when you see
a guy, like, from that perspective
533
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,080
and there's a girl, do you think
that guy is you, then?
534
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Well, yeah, I'd say that's how
you imagine it. OK.
535
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,120
So, if you're watching point of view
porn, you're imagining you're
536
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,680
the person who's in that situation.
That's how I would do it.
537
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,720
Yeah. So, you're thinking about
having sex with other women
538
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,720
when you're watching it?
No, of course not!
539
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,200
You are not thinking about it,
540
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,800
but you're almost trying to,
you know, you're thinking...
541
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,160
You're in that position?
542
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,240
Yeah, like, that's your scenario.
543
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360
I just think I'm watching
other people having sex.
544
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:47,160
That's how I see porn. Yeah.
As opposed to, "I'm in the porn."
545
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800
I don't think that's
my vagina. Yeah.
546
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,800
But you think that's your cock
when you're watching it?
547
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,600
I guess you do. Mm-hm. You're not
watching something
548
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,160
because you're wanting to sit
outside of a situation
549
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,480
and just look in and watch it. Yeah.
550
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,760
I would have thought everybody,
kind of, puts themselves
551
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,720
into that scenario as opposed to
sit back out of it and, kind of,
552
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,440
watches it from the fence.
553
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,840
Why is porn wrong?
Why is it harmful?
554
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,760
I mean, one of the things I feel,
the biggest issue is it
555
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,120
completely separates sex and love
and, ultimately,
556
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480
if you build something just on that,
557
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,600
it becomes very empty,
558
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,840
it becomes very shallow
and unsatisfying
559
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,600
and basically what porn's doing is
selling people a lie and a fantasy.
560
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,800
For me, it got to a point
where I'm looking at women
561
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,720
and all I'm seeing is, you know,
boobs and bum,
562
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,560
that's all I'm seeing.
563
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,640
I'm not seeing the person
and that's what people
564
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,360
are looking at, you know? Yeah.
565
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,000
Women are just objects now.
Yeah. Now, today.
566
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,400
I have had partners before,
you know, previous life,
567
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,000
and we've watched porn together
because that partner
568
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,640
has said, "I want to."
569
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,520
Or has agreed and said it's fine and
then I even remember once seeing
570
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,720
the person months later. Major,
major row because, you know, like,
571
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,760
insecurities really kicked into her.
572
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,760
"Oh, you were thinking about
that porn
573
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,560
"when we were just having sex then."
574
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,760
So, although they're saying
it's fine, couples,
575
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,200
it is definitely putting in
somebody insecurity.
576
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:16,840
"I'm not enough."
577
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,320
I'd always had, like...
578
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,480
I'd been around people
that would say,
579
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,160
"I don't want you to look at porn
magazines, that's cheating."
580
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Like, they would say
to their partners.
581
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,080
And I would think,
"How is it cheating when
582
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,840
"you're looking at other people?
583
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,840
"Like, you're not texting somebody
or seeing somebody or sleeping with
584
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,480
"somebody, that you are viewing
other couples."
585
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,560
Like, so, to me, I really struggled
586
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,560
to see how women wouldn't allow
their husbands to look at porn
587
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,800
and I thought,
"That's really weird."
588
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,000
But now we've had, like, this
revelation where he's like,
589
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,800
"I'm thinking about fucking all
these women." And I'm putting
590
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,200
myself in... I'm not thinking about
it, it's a subconscious feeling.
591
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,360
Yeah, but I didn't know you
viewed it like that.
592
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440
I thought you were just being
a Peeping Tom also,
593
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,480
watching a couple having sex,
not you thinking,
594
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,520
"That woman's riding me."
595
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,880
Yeah, I never saw it as
a cheating thing,
596
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,440
but, actually, if you are then
fantasising about having sex
597
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,920
with multiple women, that probably
is something you shouldn't do.
598
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520
But it wouldn't be cheating unless
something actually happened.
599
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,160
Only you know what
you're really thinking
600
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,920
when you look at porn.
601
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,560
But whether it's divisive or not,
602
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,600
while there's money to be made,
603
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,320
pornographers are going to
keep on making it.
604
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,280
"You are the owner of
Evil Angel Studio pornography.
605
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,200
"Your job before was male stripper
and porn actor,
606
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,240
"which was immoral and disgusting.
607
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,440
"Your company now, Evil Angel,
is an evil, bad production company.
608
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,640
"You, Mr John, are a sinner,
adulterer
609
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600
"and sexually immoral person.
610
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,440
"Your product, porn sex, is full of
lust that makes Americans
611
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,480
"become pervert, nasty,
adulterer fornicators."
612
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,520
See, this is the guilt I have to
live with. It's horrible.
613
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,680
Let's see, right here. "Again,
sin always hurts in pornography,
614
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,320
"hurts marriage,
families and children."
615
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,000
Oh, God.
616
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,880
It is a controversial area,
you know?
617
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,720
Pornography.
618
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,280
Maybe he's right.
619
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,840
Where is your responsibility
as a producer and distributor?
620
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,400
So, there's a hubris involved
621
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,360
with thinking that you know what's
622
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,000
best for other people and, erm,
623
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,200
I try and be careful not to have
624
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,800
too much of that in my life.
625
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,840
Porn democratises pleasure.
626
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,400
Pornography is stuff for the masses
of people, for poor people,
627
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,760
for the average person to get
pleasure out of sex which
628
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,400
used to be only restricted to, like,
you know, King Henry VIII
629
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,560
and things like that,
people who could just
630
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,360
indulge in their sexual fantasies.
631
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,560
Now, the common man can
632
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,360
get off sexually and I think that's
633
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,080
a great thing about pornography.
634
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,680
The programme contains strong
language, nudity, adult content
635
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:21,360
and graphic discussion about the
pornography industry and sex.
636
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,760
You put saline solution, like,
in your eyes?
637
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Yeah.
638
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,480
Is that a thing?
639
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,440
Yeah.
640
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,320
It's sterile so it, like, cleans.
641
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,880
And does it hurt?
642
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,960
No.
643
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,280
Gianna is 21.
644
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,640
She started her porn career
a few months after Gia.
645
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,320
They share the same agent.
646
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,000
So, what's...?
Tell me about your eye.
647
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,560
Oh, I have an eye infection
because a guy came in my eyes.
648
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,440
Today is the first day
649
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,760
that it hasn't been, like,
excruciating pain,
650
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640
but, yeah, for, like, the past
four or five days
651
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,160
it's been, like...I couldn't open
my eyes in the morning.
652
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,840
Yeah, and when I look into bright
like it feels like I'm blind.
653
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,520
So, yeah, zero out of ten recommend
getting cum in your eye.
654
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,280
It's not a fun time.
655
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,880
Does that happen often?
656
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,040
To me it does, yeah,
657
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,160
because a lot of the cum shots are,
like, on your face,
658
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,760
so it's kind of hard to not get it
in your eye.
659
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,120
Does it happen to you as well?
660
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,880
Yeah, all the time, all the time.
661
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,960
It's just, like, it just has...
662
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,640
Hazardous. Yeah.
663
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,880
Have no aim.
664
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,440
I hate it.
665
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,000
You do? Mostly because
it gets in my eyes,
666
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,200
I don't really care if it's on the
rest of my face but... Oh, my God.
667
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,160
Can you request for that
not to be how it ends?
668
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Yeah, but the probably
wouldn't like it.
669
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,280
They will probably just be like,
"Oh, well."
670
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,360
Cos they are paying us
for the scene,
671
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,760
like, they have a certain
way they want the scene to go, so.
672
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,640
This is a lovely
breakfast conversation.
673
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Right.
674
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,200
Back in the '70s,
you would only really see
675
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:12,800
what has become known as the
money shot in a hardcore porn film -
676
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,680
but now almost every porn scene
finishes this way.
677
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,200
It's standard practice.
678
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,280
Can you just have
a look at this clip?
679
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,240
This is from, like,
an anti-porn campaigner,
680
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,800
and just tell us what you think?
It's about 40 seconds.
681
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,600
So what do
we see in mainstream porn?
682
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,080
Gagging, rough anal sex, ejaculation
on face, ATM, hair pulling
683
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,680
and spitting in her face.
684
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,680
So the standard porn scene.
685
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,560
One woman, three men.
She's being gagged.
686
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,240
She's being penetrated
orally, anally,
687
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,800
and then they all ejaculate on
her face.
688
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,320
What do you think
about what she's saying?
689
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,600
It's two different people's
opinions on it,
690
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,040
so the way she's, obviously,
she's saying that,
691
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,880
it sounds absolutely disgusting,
692
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,000
it sounds like the three men
are forcing a woman to do
693
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,480
whatever they want to do -
obviously dirty stuff as well,
694
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,920
but at the same time what she is not
saying,
695
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,800
the women could be the
one wanting that to happen,
696
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,280
so it's different ways
of viewing it.
697
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Because you know... You know
it's porn, that's the thing,
698
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,360
it's not like, like -
I have never watched porn
699
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,200
and thought that I want to force -
like, do that,
700
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,520
like, unless someone
liked it or not,
701
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,720
because I know it's porn, I know
it's fake, I know it's acting,
702
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,160
like, it's just there - some
people like that, some people don't.
703
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,240
Gianna has continued working despite
the eye infection -
704
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,280
but Gia has been forced
to take some time out.
705
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,560
OK, I need to empty this.
706
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,360
I'm disgusting!
707
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,280
So the gynaecologist that I went to
708
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,240
told me that I can't have any
penetration for at least a month.
709
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Basically, I tore my cervix,
710
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,200
and also my bladder was really
beat up, like, beaten up.
711
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,040
It was just, like, my insides
were just, like, beaten up, really.
712
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,360
From too much sex?
713
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,600
From, yeah, from too much porno sex.
714
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,040
Pretty much.
715
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,320
I went from having sex, like,
maybe once a week,
716
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,440
to having sex, like, a lot,
717
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,960
and just, like, really hard,
like, pounding, yeah,
718
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,040
probably also a lot of the dicks
were a lot bigger
719
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,080
than I've ever
had, like, in my life, so...
720
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,240
It sounds really painful.
721
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,600
It was very painful Yeah,
it's painful, it's really painful.
722
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,680
Are you going to do it long term?
723
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:55,000
I don't think so. I don't think so.
724
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,280
Did that sort of cross
your mind, like...?
725
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Yeah, I guess - I mean, even
with like STDs and stuff, and STIs -
726
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:13,520
well, STIs, like chlamydia and
gonorrhoea can affect your body
727
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:20,000
in negative long term ways,
I guess, with fertility and stuff.
728
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,000
Is that quite scary?
729
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Yeah, yeah, it is - but I mean,
I don't really want kids,
730
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,680
but then it is still, like,
pretty fucked up,
731
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,400
cos, like, it's inevitable,
it goes around.
732
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,040
CHATTER
733
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,480
Most people work in, like,
office buildings.
734
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,520
They have sad, sad lives.
735
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,800
I didn't want to be stuck in an
office for my whole life, you know?
736
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,440
This is just what I want to do.
737
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,600
Like, I can't see myself
doing anything else.
738
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,480
I have wanted to do porn since
I was in, like, seventh grade.
739
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,080
So it's just like something that
I've been so passionate about.
740
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,960
It's not really like fame.
Like, I'd rather have, like,
741
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,720
the money than the recognition,
probably, just because, like...
742
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,320
To survive and to live comfortably.
743
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,000
SHE LAUGHS
744
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,760
These girls can make
more money than a doctor,
745
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,440
without having to
go through the degree.
746
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,760
If they're smart, listen,
pay attention,
747
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,840
then they can make a good living
for quite a long time.
748
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Within the internet age,
749
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,440
the shelf life of a porn actor
like Gia is uncertain.
750
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,280
It could be a matter of months,
or a few years if she's lucky...
751
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,200
..and millions of online viewers
are constantly searching
752
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,880
for the next new thing,
the next new Gia.
753
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,360
Fallon has already
walked away from porn.
754
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,400
The impact of looking at hardcore
content has proved too much.
755
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,880
She's now quit her job
with Evil Angel.
756
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,320
I...
757
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,240
I just felt like I met my limit.
758
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,680
In fact, I think I went
over my limit.
759
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,200
Rob is continuing to fight
the urge to watch porn.
760
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Throughout his life,
he's struggled with addictions.
761
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,280
This battle has been intense,
and it went on for years.
762
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,880
And I would say, by far, the
hardest drug I ever had to get off
763
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,160
was pornography - by far.
764
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,280
I don't think porn just stops
the minute you stop looking at it.
765
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,560
It's deeply embedded
in the brain pattern.
766
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,760
There's another woman in the room,
you know?
767
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,960
So, you know, I call porn
"The other woman".
768
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,640
I'm going to give you your pep talk
here, in all sincerity.
769
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,920
We're just going to say
it's, like, your first scene,
770
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,720
and this is your, erm,
introductory shoot, OK?
771
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,680
So there's no pressure on it.
772
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:29,960
Yeah. It's a hot girl,
and you're going to fuck her.
773
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,120
Like, I'm serious.
Like, no pressure, OK?
774
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,360
All right. OK.
775
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:42,200
If I didn't think that I could
make $50,000-$60,000 a month,
776
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:46,080
if I didn't think I could do that,
I wouldn't be doing this.
777
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:53,240
Do not abdicate your responsibility
to educate on what sex is,
778
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,960
and therefore what porn is.
779
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,840
It's his first time.
How are you feeling?
780
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,360
I don't really know!
I'll let you know in an hour.
781
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,240
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