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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,000 The one person I really wouldn't want to find me watching porn 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,920 would be my wife because I really don't want to hurt her. 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,320 You know, I never, ever wanted to watch porn and hurt my wife 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,000 or have her feel betrayed which is what pornography does to a spouse. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,800 So in its worst, on a bad day, 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,560 it could be two or three hours of bingeing, 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,040 you know, just Twitter and feasting on this buffet of two-minute videos. 8 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:29,800 Just constantly diving into it which is why I class it as an addiction. 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:35,000 The programme contains strong language, nudity, adult content and graphic discussion about the pornography industry and sex 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Porn. 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,880 It's only ever a mouse click away. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,640 Whoever you are, wherever you are. 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,520 No-one needs to know you are looking at it 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,440 and it's absolutely free. 15 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:53,200 In Britain, we've become so worried, there are now plans to block 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,560 under-18s from watching online porn. 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Yes. 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,040 Yes, I know you're cumming, you're cumming, you're cumming. 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,000 Since this programme started, one minute ago, 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,960 more than 50,000 people 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,640 have gone onto the world's biggest internet porn site, Pornhub. 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,960 How often would you use porn now? 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,640 Sometimes two times a day, 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,400 up to maybe easily probably minimum five times a week. 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,240 It's hard to, like, get into bed with your phone in your hand 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,680 and not then look at porn. 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,840 Yeah. 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,720 Pornhub alone receives 92 million visitors a day, 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,480 that's like the combined population of Spain and Uganda logging on. 30 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,520 "Big tit anal..". 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,160 It's an industry that's worth billions. 32 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,600 If I didn't think that I could make $50,000 to $60,000 a month, 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,400 if I didn't think I could do that, I wouldn't be doing this. 34 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,960 The genie is out of the bottle. 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,480 The internet was made for porn. 36 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,040 We brought porn to the masses. 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,440 There is more porn flooding the Earth than ever before 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,480 in the history of mankind. 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,320 We'll explore how we got here, how porn became free, 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,400 and how it exploded across the world. 41 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,440 I just can't get my head round 42 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:19,200 that 11-, 12-, 13-year-olds are watching porn. 43 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,480 I feel like I was fucked up because I was watching porn at 12 years old. 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,280 We'll also try to understand 45 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,160 if porn is beginning to change you. 46 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,720 Because, whether you want to admit it or not, 47 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,120 you are the people watching it. 48 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,120 Have fun, rolling and action. 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,640 There is a revolution going on in the world of porn, 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,880 19-year-old Gia is six months into her porn career. 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,920 It's a job she's aspired to since she was just 12. 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,960 I do anal, I do girl-girl, I do boy-girl, I'm doing boy-boy-girl, 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,120 I'm pretty open. 54 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,280 I don't really have a line right now. 55 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,680 I'm reaching for the stars. 56 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,720 The days of soft-focus, erotic fantasy are long gone. 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,000 The kind of porn Gia makes was once labelled extreme. 58 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,440 Today, it's everywhere. 59 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,160 You can watch it on your smartphone. 60 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:32,920 So in a world where it's easier than ever before to watch 61 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,040 extreme content, it's time to ask... 62 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,480 ..is porn beginning to change us? 63 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,120 This is Cam Girl: The New Movie, 64 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Latin Teens, Anal Newbies 8, 65 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,080 Rocko's Hard Academy Part 4 Goes Live, 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Anal Darling 2, DP Bandits, Hooked Up Hot Shots, Double Anal Addiction, 67 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,280 Sloppy Anal Babe, Young Butt Sex Nymphos. 68 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,520 Anal, everything is anal, 69 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,840 Anal Depraved. 70 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,120 I don't got to watch it, you know, but, yeah, 71 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:32,120 I sometimes do see a little sometimes things I have to question. 72 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,920 This is the head office of porn production company Evil Angel. 73 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,800 When the company started out 30 years ago, it broke new ground... 74 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:46,960 ..making explicit content with a focus on anal sex. 75 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:52,240 But as porn has exploded across the internet, the boundaries have 76 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:54,880 been pushed further and further. 77 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,920 Today, you'll find this kind of porn everywhere. 78 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,520 It's industry standard. 79 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,240 My name is Adam Grayson. 80 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:07,640 I'm the Chief Financial Officer of Evil Angel. 81 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,480 I don't take what we do for a living all that seriously. 82 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,840 I mean, we are in the pants-around-ankles masturbation business. 83 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,880 So this is our content team. 84 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,320 The wandering souls who have to watch porn all day, every day. 85 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,400 MUSIC: GOD SAVE THE QUEEN 86 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,960 That's God Save The Queen. 87 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Well, I did that for you. 88 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,000 This was given to us by... Given to me by an Evil Angel super fan 89 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:47,320 as an example of his thanks for all the fine service that we provide. 90 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,000 I have to review probably close to 80% 91 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,320 of everything that comes through our doors. 92 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,280 It's a lot, a rough guess would be 93 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,480 anywhere from, like, two to six hours of content a day. 94 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,840 I've been here 11 years now. 95 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,080 There are now 103 Evil Angel movies being viewed right now 96 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,640 or being downloaded as we speak. 97 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,480 So, October 1st we have Anal Investigation. 98 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,040 That is an interesting title. 99 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Evil Angels owner is John Stagliano. 100 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,200 Anal Gaping Nurses. 101 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,080 I haven't heard of that title before. 102 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,840 He created a type of porn that came to define the company. 103 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,880 In 1994, or maybe it was January of '95, 104 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,680 AVN came up with a name 105 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,520 for this first-person, POV kind of thing that I was doing in Buttman. 106 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,320 And they called it Gonzo... 107 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,280 Yes, more, more. Bend over just a little bit more. 108 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,560 ..which they took from what was used 109 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,040 to describe Hunter Thompson's writing, 110 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,320 where he would interview a person or go to Las Vegas 111 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,280 with that person or something and he would talk about 112 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,520 his personal reactions to the person and he would be part of the story. 113 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Can you, can you take that off? 114 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:21,880 Is that possible? 115 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,120 This amateur point-of-view style is what dominates porn today. 116 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,920 Can I touch? 117 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,040 What's this? 118 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,360 This is where all the real magic happens, all the ones and zeros, 119 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,840 this is all the video library just storing a lot of video. 120 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,840 This is the heart of the monster, if you will. 121 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,440 It's about a half a petabyte, maybe a little more. 122 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,000 600 terabyte, something like that. Petabyte is 1024 terabytes, 123 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,040 so more than half a petabyte, I believe, at this point. 124 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,520 That's a lot of porn. 125 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,000 It's a lot of porn. 126 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,080 It would take you about five solid months to watch 127 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,200 all of Evil Angel's content, 128 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,520 but it's minuscule if you compare it to the world's biggest free site, 129 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,960 Pornhub. 130 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,960 The content uploaded to Pornhub in five months, 131 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,560 would take you 48 years to watch. 132 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,360 Tracy, you watch... Would you watch porn on your own quite a lot? 133 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,840 Yeah, if we go on either of our phones, 134 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,680 if you go onto, like, Safari, 135 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,480 it says the most viewed things that you look at. 136 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,680 And mine's Pornhub and yours is that... Yeah. 137 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,360 Every time you touch your phone, that's... You are kind of associated 138 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,320 with like a dog and a bone, like, they hear the food, 139 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,960 and you start salivating, like, every time you touch your phone, 140 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,520 you're like, "This is what brings me pleasure," and it's hard to 141 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:58,440 then get into bed with your phone in your hand and not then look at porn. 142 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,840 So when you first looked at online porn, 143 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,600 do you remember what kind of sex you were seeing? 144 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,120 Yeah, so I remember the video, I can tell you... 145 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,320 I couldn't tell you the name of the actor... You know the video?! 146 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,800 ..but I remember the video straight up 147 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,600 and this is the most interesting thing was the fact 148 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,800 that when I was watching it, it was actually an anal video. 149 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,320 I didn't know that it was anal, to me that was normal so it's... 150 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,120 What do you mean you didn't know it? What do you mean by that? 151 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,120 You were confused by what you were seeing? 152 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,200 I wasn't... I wouldn't say I was confused, 153 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,200 I just thought that was sex, so like to me like I didn't realise 154 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,320 he had it in her arse pretty much like I thought that was... 155 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,400 Normal. 156 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,120 Yeah, I didn't think it was like, you know, 157 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,560 but, yeah, I thought that was sex. 158 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:50,320 Fallon is our photo editor, 159 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:56,400 she's in charge of selecting imagery for everything. 160 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,320 So, she gets to look at photos all day, until her eyes bleed. 161 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,640 I'm choosing hardcore photographs, 162 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:11,480 a set of five, to represent scenes and I'm picking whatever 163 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:17,360 is closest to the camera, whatever looks the most obscene, 164 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,280 and I have to think like a guy, as to like what would they want to see 165 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,840 immediately to judge, "This is a scene worth buying and downloading." 166 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,520 Trying to predict our tastes or even influence them 167 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,920 is at the heart of the internet porn industry. 168 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:43,040 What you might not realise is that when you visit big free porn sites, 169 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,920 they keep a very close eye on what you search for, 170 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,840 what you click on and even the point you skipped to in a video. 171 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,160 Then they use artificial intelligence and clever algorithms 172 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,080 to offer you new videos based on what they think you might like. 173 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,040 It's a bit like online shopping. 174 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,280 Retailers typically feed your purchase history 175 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,040 into a recommendations algorithm. 176 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,240 So if you have just bought a bottle of suntan lotion, 177 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,520 they might try and sell you a new bikini. 178 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:18,520 Porn is no different. 179 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:23,400 The masses of customer data collected by the free site 180 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,920 is also fed back to producers 181 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,800 so they can make more of what's popular 182 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,720 and that can be surprising. 183 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,240 So with millions of eyeballs on internet porn every day, 184 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,560 it makes you wonder 185 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,800 who's really making the choice about what porn we watch? 186 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,920 Us or them? 187 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,920 Six months into her porn career, Gia is heading to a shoot with 188 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,520 one of Evil Angel's most-prolific directors. 189 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,960 I am going to Jonni Darkko's apartment to do anal. 190 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,080 We'll take pictures, we'll maybe do a tease probably, 191 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,120 and then we'll just get into the sex. 192 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:20,040 This is only I think my third anal scene this month, 193 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,400 that's what Evil Angels are about. 194 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,760 That's great, twist the butt to me a little more. 195 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Right there, right there, right there. Good. 196 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Good, beautiful, they look beautiful. 197 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,560 Now just nice and... 198 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,840 There we go. Beautiful. Good. 199 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,160 Jonni Darkko shoots and performs in his videos, 200 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,360 which he himself describes as extreme. 201 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,160 Nice and easy, there you go. 202 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Now bring both knees up a little bit more, 203 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:52,680 there you go. 204 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,920 Gia is 19, 205 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,000 Jonni is 53. 206 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,440 Now lean back and grab your bootie. 207 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,120 What is this for, Jonni? 208 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,200 It's a movie called I Love Anal. 209 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,320 We will see how crazy it gets. 210 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,760 That's a nice little move there, girl. 211 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,400 Following your hands, I love it. 212 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,760 Good. Come up to your face, turn around and find me, boom. 213 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,560 Nice. 214 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,280 Good, perfect. 215 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,920 Go warm up and take this upstairs. 216 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,320 If you guys want to shoot a little bit upstairs, 217 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,240 you're cool, you can do that, too, but we're going to start soon, 218 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,240 probably in the next half an hour. Grab that. 219 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:45,640 Cool, everything good? Yeah. 220 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:47,000 Grab your shoes. 221 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Come upstairs and we can kind of... 222 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,960 It's kind of a little better up here. 223 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,680 Plus the damn cat ain't up here. 224 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,160 So, Jonni, can you tell me what is actually going to happen in the scene? 225 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,480 We are going to shoot a boy-girl anal scene. 226 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,480 Nothing... I mean, we'll just kind of keep it simple, 227 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,000 but some of it's POV, so it's point of view, you know? 228 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,440 So people can get an idea of what it's like to look down at that 229 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,080 and that and the whole thing. 230 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,680 If you guys want to shoot a little bit of that, you can. 231 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,080 We will catch you later on. 232 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,640 One of the big trends in the porn industry 233 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:48,080 is to show women looking shocked and maybe sometimes scared... 234 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,880 ..but I personally like to add in photos, 235 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,480 like this one of her smiling, 236 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,800 cos me personally I would like to see at least one image 237 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,240 out of five where the female is actually enjoying herself 238 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,400 and not scared. 239 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,480 I have been here since March 4th. 240 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,640 It's been a very eye-opening experience... 241 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,160 ..in many, many ways. 242 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,720 Because a lot of this is really hardcore, really obscene sex. 243 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,560 It was clear Fallon had more to say, 244 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,440 but the open-plan office was making things a little difficult for her. 245 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,800 Most of us spend no more than ten minutes on a single visit 246 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,520 to the world's biggest porn site. 247 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,960 But for some, minutes can soon turn into hours. 248 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,840 How often would you use porn now? 249 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,440 I'd probably say recently, 250 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,480 a lot, like... 251 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,560 ..five times a week maybe. 252 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,280 I'd probably sometimes two times a day, 253 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,560 up to maybe easily probably a minimum five times a week. 254 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,760 It's probably got to the point where you are literally spending 255 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,320 an hour or an hour and a half to find that perfect video, 256 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,640 because you've seen so many, you've seen them all and it's now boring. 257 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:48,240 This programme contains strong language, nudity, adult content and graphic discussion about the pornography industry and sex 258 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,960 It's hard to go without it. 259 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Just like, for example, sometimes you go on holiday. 260 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,200 You can't get porn on the phone, 261 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,080 because some countries I have been in, you just can't find it anywhere. 262 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,720 When you're in Korea, it's really difficult. Because it's blocked. 263 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,360 But it is, if you're in Thailand, you can't access porn on your phone. 264 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,480 Yeah, if you're not connected. 265 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,160 So where do you think it becomes something that you're in control of, 266 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,960 or...or porn on the internet is sort of in control of you? 267 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,360 I think it is in control of us. 268 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:32,560 Hey, guys. 269 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,160 Hi. 270 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,440 All right, love? 271 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:36,840 Yeah. 272 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:37,880 Hey. 273 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,840 You all right, baby? 274 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,200 Yeah. Had a good day? 275 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,680 Yeah. 276 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,320 Hey, darling, hey. 277 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:48,880 What have you got, what have you got? 278 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,560 You guys have been through quite a lot. 279 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Yeah. Would you say you're happier now? 280 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,520 BABY CRIES Hey, sh, sh, sh... 281 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:58,680 Yeah. 282 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Our marriage definitely, 283 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,040 yeah, best it's ever been, 284 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,920 especially the last the last year or so. I think the good thing is 285 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,560 that everything that we went through, 286 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,720 because we've come out of it and there's freedom now, I think it's 287 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,480 actually drawn us in closer, hasn't it? 288 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:13,520 Yeah, yeah. 289 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,680 So, I would probably say that we're closer now 290 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,240 than we've ever been before, even before all this happened. 291 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,800 I think we're definitely tighter than we've ever been. 292 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,840 I mean, Lydia, is it fair to say Rob's a recovering porn addict? 293 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,640 Recovered - I would say, yeah, so he's not... 294 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,400 He was in a period of recovering, I guess, 295 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,760 but I would say recovered now. 296 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,120 You know, I haven't watched pornography now for as long as 297 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,440 I can remember, so I'd say that we are, 298 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,360 I am recovered, not recovering. 299 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,080 What did it look like on a daily basis when you were in the throes 300 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:47,480 of porn addiction? 301 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,560 So, in its worst, on a bad day, it could be two or three hours 302 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,480 of bingeing, feasting on this buffet of two-minute videos, 303 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,440 just constantly diving into it. But I was trying to stop at all times, 304 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,400 because I really don't want to hurt her, 305 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,800 whether it's the man or the woman, 306 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,720 the other one does feel betrayed, mostly. 307 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,960 Did you feel betrayed, Lydia? 308 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,840 Yeah, cos it's not me. 309 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,320 He's finding comfort in someone else, um, yeah. 310 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:12,760 What's the matter? BABY CRIES 311 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Did it make you feel less? 312 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,560 Yeah, it makes you feel like you're not enough. 313 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,480 I mean, it's hard because obviously... 314 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,840 Her dummy's over there, by the way. 315 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,520 ..I've had three kids in quite a small space of time, 316 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,520 and obviously that does affect you. It changes your body, 317 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,480 it changes your emotions, your hormones, everything. 318 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,280 So, I felt like it's partly my fault 319 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,600 because I wasn't giving him what he needed. 320 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,280 Rob, when you were at your most extreme with watching porn, 321 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,960 would you ever try and make excuses to find a time to go and watch it? 322 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,320 Um, I remember times where, say, I'd be driving around 323 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,160 quoting jobs for my business. 324 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,800 You're a painter and decorator? 325 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,160 Yeah, I run a decorating company, and I would find myself coming home 326 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,120 from that quote and then kind of feeling that urge 327 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,120 and knowing Lydia will be home in about an hour from the school run, 328 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,320 so if I get home quickly now... I mean, this is like a year and 329 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:16,040 a half ago, but I would put my foot down to get home quickly, so I could 330 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,520 have that time and that freedom, if you like, to be able to just 331 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,520 view porn at my leisure and feast on the opportunity of that pornography. 332 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,480 Do you think that some of the things that you want to do 333 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,200 are influenced by what you've seen in porn? 334 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,320 Yeah, because you learn new things on porn, so, like, there have 335 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,920 been some stuff that obviously I wouldn't have a clue about 336 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,760 and then I've seen, like, a porn video, and I was like, 337 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,160 "Oh, that looks good." Obviously that influences you 338 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,880 to try different things. 339 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,320 There's the thought of being forceful, 340 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,600 so, like, for example, you might just see a guy might throw 341 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,640 himself on a girl, and she might like it, or he does stuff like 342 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,920 controls her sort of in a really aggressive way. I mean, I like when 343 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:04,240 I'm watching porn, like slapping and choking, it's quite a norm. 344 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,000 I think it is quite a norm, like, cos it happens in porn all the time. 345 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,320 Yeah. And I think girls pick up on it as well, 346 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:13,000 and I think maybe when girls watch porn, you always see the girl 347 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,400 enjoying it and liking it, so it's definitely something that's big. 348 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,800 Now we're out of the office, what do you really think of the photos 349 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,080 that you're editing? 350 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,040 They're fucking disgusting. 351 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,480 They are abhorrent. 352 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,560 And a lot of these photographs, you can tell just by looking 353 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,720 at a female performer's eyes, 354 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,880 who's enjoying it and who's not. 355 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,200 You can tell the ones that are empowered by it, 356 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,720 they're like, "Fuck yeah, this is my life, this is... I own this. 357 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,680 "This is my body, and I can do whatever I want with it." 358 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,000 And then there's other girls that unfortunately just, 359 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,640 even some guys that look like, "What the fuck am I doing here?" 360 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,240 Or, "I really need to pay rent." 361 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:02,440 I've always been a huge fan of pornography all the way back 362 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,400 to college, which was part of the reason why I was so intrigued 363 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,960 to work for Evil Angel and the porn industry 364 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,680 because I felt like it would be celebrating life. 365 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,960 I took these photographs a couple of years ago. 366 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,480 They were a friend of a friend. 367 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,960 I just wanted to capture the authenticity of their lovemaking. 368 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,680 It was very nice. Probably sounds strange to most people, but 369 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,320 it was very freeing and I thought, you know, "I can definitely see 370 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,120 "myself doing this for a living." 371 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,440 I never watched degrading porn. I never sought that out. 372 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,800 I didn't really know it existed. 373 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,720 I knew it existed, I just didn't know how bad it was. 374 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,400 That particular genre of porn tells today's youth 375 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,560 that sex is only to be enjoyed by the man. 376 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,120 He's supposed to cum in my face, he's supposed to slap me 377 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:13,640 and manhandle me and this is how we should expect to be treated. 378 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:23,680 I don't think that this type of pornography should be produced. 379 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,720 Oh, yeah, you've got to do this one, too. 380 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Give me that, give me that. 381 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:34,320 Hold on, let me kill this light that's blasting my fucking retina. 382 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,600 Thank you. Burning my fucking eyeball out. 383 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,520 How did it go? 384 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,680 Awesome. 385 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,840 SHE LAUGHS Here we go. Bye, sweetpea. 386 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,480 Bye, thank you. Awesome work. 387 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,600 Thank you. 388 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,720 Gia grew up in a churchgoing family. 389 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,320 She left her hometown in Ohio to come to LA. 390 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,080 She's been signed to one of the industry's top agents 391 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:16,560 and is already earning between $4,000-$6,000 a week. 392 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,080 She's shot almost 100 scenes. 393 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,000 Now, you've done so many. 394 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,400 Yeah. Does it feel like just kind of a pretty normal day's work. 395 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,840 Yeah, it was a normal day's work. 396 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,640 It was pretty good. I put, um, these little, like, white balls 397 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,280 in my butt today, and I actually haven't done that before. 398 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,400 So, that was fun. 399 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,200 They were like ball pit balls, like, when you jump into like a ball pit. 400 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,480 They're quite big. 401 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,440 I think they're a little smaller. 402 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,920 I don't know. It was like... 403 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,320 I mean, a lot of people would think that that's quite sort of crazy. 404 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,600 Like, so... 405 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,560 ..no, I don't think it's crazy. 406 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,200 It might be a little, like, taboo, like, not everyone's doing it. 407 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,240 But... 408 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,360 Does that then, like, feed into your personal life? 409 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,480 Yeah, like, I feel... 410 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,000 Like, does porn sex and non-porn sex sort of...? 411 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,600 ..intertwine, yeah. I feel like my sexuality is just, like, so, 412 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,000 so much broader. 413 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,440 Like, it's just porn has opened... Actually doing porn has opened up so 414 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,080 many, like, sexual doors for me that I didn't even know that... 415 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,720 Or lines that I didn't even know that I wanted to cross. 416 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,560 Like, yeah, definitely. 417 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,560 When I first got in the business, it was, like, people who came to 418 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,360 LA to be an actor or this or that 419 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,120 and kind of got waylaid 420 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,400 and kind of fell into the business. 421 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,520 But now, with the advent of the internet, 422 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,400 it's more you can see girls... 423 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,560 ..desire to be in porn. 424 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,120 That's their goal, they research it, they watch it. 425 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,240 They're not falling into it. That is, you know, 426 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,880 what they aspire to do. 427 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,960 For me, I like to sit down and talk to them 428 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,400 and I want to know besides that they're business-minded, 429 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,360 I want to know that they're perverts. 430 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,520 Because I want them to be doing this because 431 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,840 it's what they really like to do, because they will last much longer. 432 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,160 But when I talk to her, you know, "I'll do double vag, 433 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,080 "I'll do ass-to-mouth, I'll do DP ATM, 434 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:38,480 "I'll do, you know, cum swapping," all this and all that. 435 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,400 And if a girl, and I'm like, "Have you done porn before?" 436 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,800 She's like, "No, I just turned 18." 437 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,000 In school, as soon as I hit puberty, I was immediately, like, labelled 438 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,280 a whore, and cos I had this big butt and like guys would literally 439 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,640 just walk up to me in the hallway and just like smack it or grab it. 440 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,040 And, like, I had just so much anxiety, I didn't know how to handle 441 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,120 that, so I just accepted that I was a whore, like, in eighth grade 442 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,640 because that's what everyone said. 443 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,880 So, watching porn during that time made me feel like 444 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,600 I wasn't alone and it made me feel like it wasn't necessarily wrong 445 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,600 to have sexual desires and it wasn't necessarily wrong to have sex. 446 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,400 I really hated myself for the longest time 447 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,400 because, like, I wanted sex all the time. 448 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,600 And that was wrong. 449 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000 Being in porn, I just fit in, and everyone else, like, 450 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,360 has the same like sexual desires and urges that I have, 451 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,720 so it's kind of nice to be around that. 452 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,200 It's almost as if porn has given Gia a way to own her sexuality, 453 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,080 to reclaim it from the school kids who used to taunt her. 454 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,200 For now, at least, she's in a world where she feels accepted. 455 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,680 This programme contains strong language, nudity, adult content 456 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,360 and graphic discussion about the pornography industry and sex. 457 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,920 I'm trying to think... I remember the first time... Do you? Aw. 458 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,760 ..we watched porn but I remember because... 459 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,400 I remember because the ones that you... 460 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,800 Because it was you that chose it. That French couple? Yeah. 461 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,520 And it's a couple that basically... 462 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,600 Really hot. I just remember propping the phone up, 463 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,480 watching porn and then you were like... 464 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,440 Yeah, I think it literally was... 465 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,800 It was, like, on the pillow. Yeah. 466 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,960 You were on all fours and then I was kind of, like, over the top, 467 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,000 behind, and then you, kind of, got the view of the porn 468 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,440 for both of us, yeah. Yeah. It was nice. On a tiny little phone. 469 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,720 For Freddy and Tracy, 470 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,840 watching porn together has been a big part 471 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,920 of their relationship since they met a year ago. 472 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,640 It's something they enjoy. 473 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,960 But porn can often be very secretive 474 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,320 and grow into something compulsive. 475 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,960 So, I had this on all my devices. 476 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000 It's called Accountable2You 477 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,200 and it just looks like this icon here on my phone. 478 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,000 So, I've got all my normal... 479 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,640 I've got Facebook on there, got my Chelsea app 480 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,320 and then that Accountable2You, 481 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,560 it's on my phone but it's... 482 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,280 Lydia's my accountability partner. 483 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,960 So, for example, because... 484 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,440 If I was to type on any of my devices 485 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,520 "porn" or even words like "sext" or... 486 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,280 Even "addiction", anything. 487 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,960 "Addiction", it would flag up a warning. 488 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,680 So, does that ping on your phone, then, Lydia? Yeah. 489 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,600 And then do you look at it? 490 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,160 Yeah. So, it will say, like, "questionable activity" 491 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440 and that's on his phone. So, even, like, voice searches, 492 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400 if it can be questionable at all 493 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,880 it will flag something up and send me an e-mail. 494 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,480 So you obviously felt you needed that? 495 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,680 Yeah. Yeah. 496 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,880 What was that giving you, by having that app? 497 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,760 This programme, for me, helped me so that I remember 498 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,920 days in the recovering process, 499 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,240 where I would want to watch porn and, 500 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,760 if I had access to porn without my wife finding out, 501 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,680 I probably would have turned to it, I would have given in. 502 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960 Not being able to get away with it in that moment 503 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,200 was, kind of, the final ability to say, "No." 504 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,640 Rob would regularly spend two or three hours 505 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,880 looking for the perfect video while Lydia lay asleep up in bed. 506 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,520 But that perfect video didn't exist 507 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,000 because there was always one more to watch. 508 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,040 There's disagreement as to whether porn should be 509 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,640 classified as addictive. 510 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,680 What's not in doubt is that there are many like Rob 511 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,240 whose porn use has become compulsive. 512 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:04,480 For me, personally, pornography had started when I was a teenager. 513 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:09,320 Erm, I went through... I then got into a relationship where 514 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,600 I continued to use pornography and it caused a lot of tension. 515 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,280 She'd find images on my phone, erm, you know, videos. 516 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120 It broke her inside because she loved me 517 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,400 and she wanted to be the only woman that...that I saw, 518 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,560 you know what I mean? In THAT way. 519 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,280 I remember porn that, you know, you would see a certain porn 520 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,880 and it would be so arousing, you know, like, they were all 521 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,080 arousing but then there's that one video, 522 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,560 or something like that, you're like, 523 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,760 "Whoa, that just ticked every single possible box. That woman looked 524 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,960 "the way... That act... Like, everything." 525 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,400 And it's, kind of, like, years later that still... 526 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,080 I mean, if I let myself now I could go to those memories, I could. 527 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,920 I don't because I have this thing in my head. 528 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,080 I feel like the thought's like a dog on a lead 529 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,960 and I keep that... If that thought tries to get out 530 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,160 I'm like, "Yank that." 531 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,800 I don't let it go anywhere now. No. 532 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,000 So, do you think, when you see a guy, like, from that perspective 533 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,080 and there's a girl, do you think that guy is you, then? 534 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,800 Well, yeah, I'd say that's how you imagine it. OK. 535 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,120 So, if you're watching point of view porn, you're imagining you're 536 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,680 the person who's in that situation. That's how I would do it. 537 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,720 Yeah. So, you're thinking about having sex with other women 538 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,720 when you're watching it? No, of course not! 539 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,200 You are not thinking about it, 540 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,800 but you're almost trying to, you know, you're thinking... 541 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,160 You're in that position? 542 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,240 Yeah, like, that's your scenario. 543 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360 I just think I'm watching other people having sex. 544 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:47,160 That's how I see porn. Yeah. As opposed to, "I'm in the porn." 545 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800 I don't think that's my vagina. Yeah. 546 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,800 But you think that's your cock when you're watching it? 547 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,600 I guess you do. Mm-hm. You're not watching something 548 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,160 because you're wanting to sit outside of a situation 549 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,480 and just look in and watch it. Yeah. 550 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,760 I would have thought everybody, kind of, puts themselves 551 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,720 into that scenario as opposed to sit back out of it and, kind of, 552 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,440 watches it from the fence. 553 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,840 Why is porn wrong? Why is it harmful? 554 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,760 I mean, one of the things I feel, the biggest issue is it 555 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,120 completely separates sex and love and, ultimately, 556 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480 if you build something just on that, 557 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,600 it becomes very empty, 558 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,840 it becomes very shallow and unsatisfying 559 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,600 and basically what porn's doing is selling people a lie and a fantasy. 560 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,800 For me, it got to a point where I'm looking at women 561 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,720 and all I'm seeing is, you know, boobs and bum, 562 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,560 that's all I'm seeing. 563 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,640 I'm not seeing the person and that's what people 564 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,360 are looking at, you know? Yeah. 565 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,000 Women are just objects now. Yeah. Now, today. 566 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,400 I have had partners before, you know, previous life, 567 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,000 and we've watched porn together because that partner 568 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,640 has said, "I want to." 569 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,520 Or has agreed and said it's fine and then I even remember once seeing 570 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,720 the person months later. Major, major row because, you know, like, 571 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,760 insecurities really kicked into her. 572 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,760 "Oh, you were thinking about that porn 573 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,560 "when we were just having sex then." 574 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,760 So, although they're saying it's fine, couples, 575 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,200 it is definitely putting in somebody insecurity. 576 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:16,840 "I'm not enough." 577 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,320 I'd always had, like... 578 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,480 I'd been around people that would say, 579 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,160 "I don't want you to look at porn magazines, that's cheating." 580 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,960 Like, they would say to their partners. 581 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,080 And I would think, "How is it cheating when 582 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,840 "you're looking at other people? 583 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,840 "Like, you're not texting somebody or seeing somebody or sleeping with 584 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,480 "somebody, that you are viewing other couples." 585 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,560 Like, so, to me, I really struggled 586 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,560 to see how women wouldn't allow their husbands to look at porn 587 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,800 and I thought, "That's really weird." 588 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,000 But now we've had, like, this revelation where he's like, 589 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,800 "I'm thinking about fucking all these women." And I'm putting 590 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,200 myself in... I'm not thinking about it, it's a subconscious feeling. 591 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,360 Yeah, but I didn't know you viewed it like that. 592 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440 I thought you were just being a Peeping Tom also, 593 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,480 watching a couple having sex, not you thinking, 594 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,520 "That woman's riding me." 595 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,880 Yeah, I never saw it as a cheating thing, 596 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,440 but, actually, if you are then fantasising about having sex 597 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,920 with multiple women, that probably is something you shouldn't do. 598 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520 But it wouldn't be cheating unless something actually happened. 599 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,160 Only you know what you're really thinking 600 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,920 when you look at porn. 601 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,560 But whether it's divisive or not, 602 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,600 while there's money to be made, 603 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,320 pornographers are going to keep on making it. 604 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,280 "You are the owner of Evil Angel Studio pornography. 605 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,200 "Your job before was male stripper and porn actor, 606 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,240 "which was immoral and disgusting. 607 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,440 "Your company now, Evil Angel, is an evil, bad production company. 608 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,640 "You, Mr John, are a sinner, adulterer 609 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600 "and sexually immoral person. 610 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,440 "Your product, porn sex, is full of lust that makes Americans 611 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,480 "become pervert, nasty, adulterer fornicators." 612 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,520 See, this is the guilt I have to live with. It's horrible. 613 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,680 Let's see, right here. "Again, sin always hurts in pornography, 614 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,320 "hurts marriage, families and children." 615 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,000 Oh, God. 616 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,880 It is a controversial area, you know? 617 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,720 Pornography. 618 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,280 Maybe he's right. 619 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,840 Where is your responsibility as a producer and distributor? 620 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,400 So, there's a hubris involved 621 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,360 with thinking that you know what's 622 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,000 best for other people and, erm, 623 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,200 I try and be careful not to have 624 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,800 too much of that in my life. 625 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,840 Porn democratises pleasure. 626 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,400 Pornography is stuff for the masses of people, for poor people, 627 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,760 for the average person to get pleasure out of sex which 628 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,400 used to be only restricted to, like, you know, King Henry VIII 629 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,560 and things like that, people who could just 630 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,360 indulge in their sexual fantasies. 631 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,560 Now, the common man can 632 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,360 get off sexually and I think that's 633 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,080 a great thing about pornography. 634 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,680 The programme contains strong language, nudity, adult content 635 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:21,360 and graphic discussion about the pornography industry and sex. 636 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,760 You put saline solution, like, in your eyes? 637 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,040 Yeah. 638 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,480 Is that a thing? 639 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,440 Yeah. 640 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,320 It's sterile so it, like, cleans. 641 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,880 And does it hurt? 642 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,960 No. 643 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,280 Gianna is 21. 644 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,640 She started her porn career a few months after Gia. 645 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,320 They share the same agent. 646 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,000 So, what's...? Tell me about your eye. 647 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,560 Oh, I have an eye infection because a guy came in my eyes. 648 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,440 Today is the first day 649 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,760 that it hasn't been, like, excruciating pain, 650 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640 but, yeah, for, like, the past four or five days 651 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,160 it's been, like...I couldn't open my eyes in the morning. 652 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,840 Yeah, and when I look into bright like it feels like I'm blind. 653 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,520 So, yeah, zero out of ten recommend getting cum in your eye. 654 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,280 It's not a fun time. 655 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,880 Does that happen often? 656 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,040 To me it does, yeah, 657 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,160 because a lot of the cum shots are, like, on your face, 658 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,760 so it's kind of hard to not get it in your eye. 659 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,120 Does it happen to you as well? 660 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,880 Yeah, all the time, all the time. 661 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,960 It's just, like, it just has... 662 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,640 Hazardous. Yeah. 663 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,880 Have no aim. 664 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,440 I hate it. 665 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,000 You do? Mostly because it gets in my eyes, 666 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,200 I don't really care if it's on the rest of my face but... Oh, my God. 667 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,160 Can you request for that not to be how it ends? 668 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080 Yeah, but the probably wouldn't like it. 669 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,280 They will probably just be like, "Oh, well." 670 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,360 Cos they are paying us for the scene, 671 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,760 like, they have a certain way they want the scene to go, so. 672 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,640 This is a lovely breakfast conversation. 673 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,160 Right. 674 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,200 Back in the '70s, you would only really see 675 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:12,800 what has become known as the money shot in a hardcore porn film - 676 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,680 but now almost every porn scene finishes this way. 677 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,200 It's standard practice. 678 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,280 Can you just have a look at this clip? 679 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,240 This is from, like, an anti-porn campaigner, 680 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,800 and just tell us what you think? It's about 40 seconds. 681 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,600 So what do we see in mainstream porn? 682 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,080 Gagging, rough anal sex, ejaculation on face, ATM, hair pulling 683 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,680 and spitting in her face. 684 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,680 So the standard porn scene. 685 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,560 One woman, three men. She's being gagged. 686 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,240 She's being penetrated orally, anally, 687 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,800 and then they all ejaculate on her face. 688 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,320 What do you think about what she's saying? 689 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,600 It's two different people's opinions on it, 690 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,040 so the way she's, obviously, she's saying that, 691 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,880 it sounds absolutely disgusting, 692 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,000 it sounds like the three men are forcing a woman to do 693 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,480 whatever they want to do - obviously dirty stuff as well, 694 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,920 but at the same time what she is not saying, 695 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,800 the women could be the one wanting that to happen, 696 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,280 so it's different ways of viewing it. 697 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,440 Because you know... You know it's porn, that's the thing, 698 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,360 it's not like, like - I have never watched porn 699 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,200 and thought that I want to force - like, do that, 700 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,520 like, unless someone liked it or not, 701 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,720 because I know it's porn, I know it's fake, I know it's acting, 702 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,160 like, it's just there - some people like that, some people don't. 703 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,240 Gianna has continued working despite the eye infection - 704 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,280 but Gia has been forced to take some time out. 705 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,560 OK, I need to empty this. 706 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,360 I'm disgusting! 707 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,280 So the gynaecologist that I went to 708 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,240 told me that I can't have any penetration for at least a month. 709 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,480 Basically, I tore my cervix, 710 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,200 and also my bladder was really beat up, like, beaten up. 711 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,040 It was just, like, my insides were just, like, beaten up, really. 712 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,360 From too much sex? 713 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,600 From, yeah, from too much porno sex. 714 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,040 Pretty much. 715 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,320 I went from having sex, like, maybe once a week, 716 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,440 to having sex, like, a lot, 717 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,960 and just, like, really hard, like, pounding, yeah, 718 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,040 probably also a lot of the dicks were a lot bigger 719 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,080 than I've ever had, like, in my life, so... 720 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,240 It sounds really painful. 721 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,600 It was very painful Yeah, it's painful, it's really painful. 722 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,680 Are you going to do it long term? 723 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:55,000 I don't think so. I don't think so. 724 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,280 Did that sort of cross your mind, like...? 725 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,160 Yeah, I guess - I mean, even with like STDs and stuff, and STIs - 726 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:13,520 well, STIs, like chlamydia and gonorrhoea can affect your body 727 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:20,000 in negative long term ways, I guess, with fertility and stuff. 728 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,000 Is that quite scary? 729 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,640 Yeah, yeah, it is - but I mean, I don't really want kids, 730 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,680 but then it is still, like, pretty fucked up, 731 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,400 cos, like, it's inevitable, it goes around. 732 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,040 CHATTER 733 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,480 Most people work in, like, office buildings. 734 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,520 They have sad, sad lives. 735 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,800 I didn't want to be stuck in an office for my whole life, you know? 736 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,440 This is just what I want to do. 737 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,600 Like, I can't see myself doing anything else. 738 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,480 I have wanted to do porn since I was in, like, seventh grade. 739 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,080 So it's just like something that I've been so passionate about. 740 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,960 It's not really like fame. Like, I'd rather have, like, 741 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,720 the money than the recognition, probably, just because, like... 742 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,320 To survive and to live comfortably. 743 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,000 SHE LAUGHS 744 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,760 These girls can make more money than a doctor, 745 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,440 without having to go through the degree. 746 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,760 If they're smart, listen, pay attention, 747 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,840 then they can make a good living for quite a long time. 748 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,120 Within the internet age, 749 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,440 the shelf life of a porn actor like Gia is uncertain. 750 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,280 It could be a matter of months, or a few years if she's lucky... 751 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,200 ..and millions of online viewers are constantly searching 752 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,880 for the next new thing, the next new Gia. 753 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,360 Fallon has already walked away from porn. 754 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,400 The impact of looking at hardcore content has proved too much. 755 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,880 She's now quit her job with Evil Angel. 756 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,320 I... 757 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,240 I just felt like I met my limit. 758 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,680 In fact, I think I went over my limit. 759 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,200 Rob is continuing to fight the urge to watch porn. 760 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,960 Throughout his life, he's struggled with addictions. 761 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,280 This battle has been intense, and it went on for years. 762 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,880 And I would say, by far, the hardest drug I ever had to get off 763 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,160 was pornography - by far. 764 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,280 I don't think porn just stops the minute you stop looking at it. 765 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,560 It's deeply embedded in the brain pattern. 766 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,760 There's another woman in the room, you know? 767 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,960 So, you know, I call porn "The other woman". 768 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,640 I'm going to give you your pep talk here, in all sincerity. 769 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,920 We're just going to say it's, like, your first scene, 770 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,720 and this is your, erm, introductory shoot, OK? 771 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,680 So there's no pressure on it. 772 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:29,960 Yeah. It's a hot girl, and you're going to fuck her. 773 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,120 Like, I'm serious. Like, no pressure, OK? 774 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,360 All right. OK. 775 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:42,200 If I didn't think that I could make $50,000-$60,000 a month, 776 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:46,080 if I didn't think I could do that, I wouldn't be doing this. 777 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:53,240 Do not abdicate your responsibility to educate on what sex is, 778 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,960 and therefore what porn is. 779 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,840 It's his first time. How are you feeling? 780 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,360 I don't really know! I'll let you know in an hour. 781 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,240 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 101714

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