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before the show starts.

Flying Saucers have invadedour planet,

Washington, London, Paris,Moscow are

key targets, the whole worldis under attack!

People of Earth, attention!

In 1952 the CentralIntelligence Agency

faced with a huge publicinterest in flying

saucers brought in a panel ofscientists,

very senior scientists,

we know it now as the

Robertson panel.

They concluded that there wasnothing

to these flying saucer reports

as objective devices of somekind

but that, nevertheless, thegovernment had to

exercise great care to debunk

the stories and individualcivilians

who expressed an interest inflying saucers

ought to be carefully watched

said the Robertson panel.

And I believe that to be thefounding document,

the document giving the longrange strategy

that has been followed by theUS government.

The general feeling amongstpeople

who have devoted a big chunkof their life

to studying UFOs I think isfear that they have

been taken for a ride, thatthese cases are

hoaxes, but sophisticatedhoaxes

carried out by their owngovernment.

What do you want with me?

Let's take one step at a time,

you're looking at RichardDoty,

the professional disinformer,trained to lie.

I'm Richard Doty.

There's probably about 80% offalse information

being presented and about 20%

of factual information.

Unfortunately the UFOcommunity

doesn't know which is which.

(Interviewer)And that's yourjob,

to keep it that way?

(Richard Doty)That was my jobbefore,

I'm a private citizen now.

But back in the early eightiesit was my job

to confuse the UFO community.

Doty was representing himself,as I recall,

as basically this sort of deepthroat.

Doty had this wonderful way tosell it,

I'm with the government youcooperate with us,

and I'm going to tell you whatthe

government really knows aboutUFOs.

Doty found a lot of gulliblepeople

in the UFO community,

that would easily believe

what he said without any typeof scrutiny.

My commander told me

"well there's this guy SpecialAgent Doty,

and you've got to be careful

because he kinda made the..."

the impression I got was that

he had made the Air Force alittle nervous.

Maybe... they didn't say

egg on their face or anything,

but they were just verycautious.

The main reason that we in theUFO field

recognise the name RichardDoty

is that a man Paul Bennewitz

a self-made man

a very successful businessman

was systematically driveninsane

wound up in an insane asylumunder treatment

for a long time, lost hisbusiness

had to turn it over to hisfamily,

and was destroyed by theefforts of

Richard Doty.

You hear about the ones that

something goes wrong.

You hear about the ones wherethere was an

unfortunate incident or insome cases

there are failures.

It was unfortunate

what happened to Mr Bennewitz

but they were supposed toprotect

something and they did theirjob.

That's the part of the basethat

Paul Bennewitz could see.

You can see the Manzanomountain here

where all the nuclear weaponswere stored.

Kirtland Air Force Base'sperimeter fence,

Paul Bennewitz's house isright over here, and

his excellent view wasafforded from this

exclusive area of Albuquerque.

You basically have a front rowseat.

August, September of 1979

Paul was standing up on hisdeck

and looking up over the roofstowards the base

and these lights he saw wouldprobably be

about half a mile away

there was always two of them

they'd lift up from the groundrather quickly

and then very quickly goaround,

shoot that way around the sideof the mountain

and then drop down behind it.

And they did the same thingevery time.

For anybody that would peakyour interest,

"what the hell is that?"

He had an interest in the UFOsubject

it was about the only thing hewas interested in

besides his business.

He had a company calledThunder Scientific

they designed instruments for

high profile people like NASA

and even the Air Force.

A lot of people said he was agenius

with electronics and hedecided that he was

going to listen in on what wasgoing on

at the base, maybe he couldpick up some

radio signals about what thisthing was

and he knew about where tostart looking

and he started picking up

these bursts of information,when he started

to decode the signals hethought that it

had a connection to whatever

these lights were.

He decided it was something todo with

technology that wasn't ours.

He was a good American, so hecalled up

the Air Force base, they

connected him with RichardDoty eventually.

Paul didn't know initiallywhat he got,

he didn't analyse it.

And when he had got the firstseries of

transmissions, he recordedthem,

and then he contacted thesecurity officer

for Kirtland. I began adialogue with Paul

trying to find out everythinghe had

and as I did then I learnedthat a lot of the

information he had wasn'tanything to do

with a soviet threat or somekind of hostile

threat against Kirtland it wasinformation

that he had gathered

- because of the fact that hewas a scientist,

and because he had sensitiveand

sophisticated equipment he wascollecting

emissions coming from thebase.

And we had to decide

what we were going to do then

were we going to allow this tohappen?

Or were we going to try and

convince him otherwise?

(Greg Bishop)They sent Dotyand a physicist.

Paul was being occupied withthe other guy,

Rick was taking pictures

of Bennewitz's equipment inhis house.

The more he had contact withme and others

within the intelligencecommunity, the more

he started analysing theinformation.

So, we kinda planted the seedin Paul that

what he was seeing and what hewas hearing

and what he was collecting wasin fact

probably, maybe, UFOs!

It was very easy to convincePaul.

Paul was a World War 2veteran, he was very

patriotic, he always flew hisflag.

Those type of people you canconvince that

"listen", just tell him

"Paul, you can't tell anyoneelse about this,

because it could get into thewrong hands"

so immediately Paul became

a co-operating source

he held everything that he hadgotten

in secrecy.

(Bob Durant) Doty was feedingthis man

all kinds of lies

about UFOs and aliens beingkept underneath

a mountain nearby, and so onand so forth,

and Bennewitz, of course,

was believing all of this.

(Richard Doty) He had twofilms,

of an object flying,

one picture depicted an objectthat

looked like it was flying outof the mountain

and it looked like some kindof

saucer shaped object.

He immediately then thoughthat there

were UFOs coming out ofManzano.

The second film was of anobject

that was something that was

experimental that thegovernment was doing.

When he filmed that, thenagain

the flag when up that

he just filmed a classifiedproject.

Paul made a presentation tothe Air Force officials,

on what he had been doing and

about what he had beencollecting.

He showed some of his film,

he showed some of hispictures,

he had a audio recorder thatwas playing

the sounds that he hadcollected from the base.

The highest ranking person inthe room

who was a Brigadier Generalsaid

"you have some very convincinginformation Paul"

and that kind of seteverything in motion with

Paul to let him think that,yup, he does.

(Greg Bishop) From the pointhe came in and

gave that meeting they decided

all his perceptions were goingto be directed

exactly the way the

intelligence organisationswanted.

(Richard Doty) We briefedeverybody

in the room.

So they knew what we weredoing, basically.

And so after the meeting therewas a number of

questions asked to him

"what do you want the AirForce to do?"

and Paul says "I'd like agrant to investigate

UFOs on the base" and a grantto continue this

contact that he claimed he had

with some of these aliens

which... now that's adifferent story!

At one point another agencywas conducting an

investigation and they set upa surveillance

across the street from him and

Paul's son contacted me andsaid

"leave my father alone, youguys are across the

street and you're bothering myfather,

he's getting to the point

that he's being paranoid."

Well, I knew it wasn't us.

(Greg Bishop) He said he sawpeople coming

in and out of the house andlooking from the

curtains and things like thatand as it turns out

the NSA had some people inthis house,

they were watching him andactually

beaming messages straightacross the street

into his antenna set up.

He'd started picking up thesesignals and the

NSA was scared that anybodycould

figure that out.

They decided to just takecomplete control of

what he was seeing and givehim exactly

what he thought he should begetting.

They replaced his computerwith

their own computer.

The computer had software thatwould decode

the messages that he wasgetting in the way

that they wanted him to seethem.

And if you look at thetranscript of it,

it seems like almost gibberishbut because

people want to pull outcontent from a random

order it starts to make somekind of sense.

They said that they were froma planet with

no water and they were tryingto find a new

place to live and they wantedto take over

the earth and that they canonly trust Paul.

They were going to have somekind of

agreement with him but he saidyou can't trust

anything they say these aliensare evil and it

served to make him look sillywhich was

exactly what they were tryingto do.

(Richard Doty) Paul actuallythought

that these UFOs had to becoming from

some other place

So Paul on his own when up toArchuleta Peak,

which is in Northern NewMexico, around

Dulce New Mexico and he did

his own investigationbasically.

Dulce and the Archuleta Peakarea

has a superstition for manyyears,

way way before we were everinvolved.

There were strange lights andstrange stories

about that area coming fromthe

Indian tribe that lives upthere.

(Greg Bishop) If somebodywanted to hide

something here it would bepretty easy,

it's very remote.

It's supposedly the site of anunderground

alien base. That rumour gotstarted in the early

1980s because of what was toldto

Paul Bennewitz by the AirForce

Office of SpecialInvestigation.

(Richard Doty) Paul was apilot, and he had a

plane, and he flew aroundthose areas and

he saw things and he filmed

things up there that

again presented a problem forus because

what he was filming up therewas actually a

secretive militaryinstallation that was

training commandos.

So then we had to convincePaul that what he

was seeing up there was again,UFOs.

(Greg Bishop) The Air Forceactually put him

in a helicopter with Rick Dotythe first time

and flew him up to a placeabove Dulce,

called the Archuleta Mesa andbefore they

took him up there, they dumped

a bunch of props up there.

They flew him up there, flewhim over the Mesa

and said "you're right Paul,look there's

stuff here, there's someevidence of

what's going on

why don't you check this outfor us"

(Richard Doty) So I would gowith Paul up there

and we actually camped outthere a

couple of times and weactually saw some

things that startled me, whichwere fully

explained later, but one ofthe things that was

kind of interesting were theselights

coming out of the ground, butthe way the lights,

these beams, were coming outof the

ground in a pulse kind ofmanner, that it looked

like they were saucers flyingout of

these mountains, and Iactually saw this and

I was somewhat concerned thatmaybe

Paul had stumbled ontosomething.

Paul was flying what he calledhis missions

around Archuleta Mesa andwould

send back fascinating letters,five, six, seven,

eight pages long, hand writtenwith pencil

sketches of what he'd seen.

And finally he started sendinglarge format

eight by ten photographs takenwith his

Hasselblad in which he'd say

"well, here's the black atomicpowered ship that

crashed last week" and he'dcircle it, and, oh,

I'd look at that and, blesshis heart,

I couldn't see anything that

resembled a crashed anything.

(Greg Bishop) Somethingactually did crash

near Dulce on the Mesa in thelate 1980s.

Bennewitz just happened to beflying over it

and took pictures of it and sothe

disinformation campaign had tobe

ratcheted up even more.

The Air Force, they knew itwas something they

were testing up in this areaand that it

had gone off course andcrashed.

Of course they told PaulBennewitz that it was

some sort of alien craft thathad been

given to the humans to use andthat they

had shot it out of the sky

as some sort of a lesson.

Agents would break into hishouse,

to see what he had and at onepoint he had

these pictures of whatever hadcrashed up there

and they were very interestedin getting

these pictures, so they did.

From then on he went up andjust took pictures

of where it had crashed.

What probably crashed there

was some sort of unmannedaerial vehicle

and now they're over in themiddle east,

remote controlled, killingpeople in cars

as they drive across thedesert.

But in 1985 they didn't reallywant anybody to

have any knowledge of thiskind of thing.

They took great pains toexplain to him that it

was this atomic poweredaircraft that the

aliens had helped us with andbring down that

laughter curtain again so thatpeople just

wouldn't pay attention.

They'd just think it wasanother UFO nut.

Somebody gave him a satellitepicture

of the landing area.

In 83 he went up there with meand the

chief of police for theJicarilla Apache tribe.

They had made a landing pad

and he took us right to thespot.

They were giving himdisinformation,

some of it was true, some ofit wasn't, see.

I think that was the biggestproblem he had,

coping with, why this,

why not the other thing?

He thought that this was theplace

where the aliens were gettingtogether

to take over the world and hewanted to trap

them all there, kill them allin one fell swoop

and save the Earth.

By the mid eighties he wasgetting to the point

where he had written all ofthese

letters to congressmen,senators, TV stations,

even President Regan sayingthis is what's

going on the Air Force isco-operating with me

these are the people who areco-operating

with me and giving me thisinformation

Earnest Edwards, Richard Doty,all this

he would put there names inthese letters.

He'd get answers back saying

"we're not interested in theUFO subject"

and there was this kind of

cognitive dissonance

here are people in thegovernment telling him

"yes you're right, this isgoing on,

let's keep an eye on it"

and then elected officials andother

people in the the media saying

"we don't know what you'retalking about,

this isn't very important"

and nobody seemed to care whathe was

talking about except the AirForce.

So many people knew ultimatelyabout

Paul Bennewitz and that sad,strange, horrible

story that it got way out ofthe realm

of just a cute flying saucerstory.

Paul was convinced thateverything

he was doing was UFO related.

I actually sat down with Pauland told Paul

"listen Paul, I think youought to stop doing this

I think you've gone as far asyou can go,

and this is a friend, this isRichard Doty a

friend" it wasn't Richard Dotya Special Agent

with OSI talking to him, Isaid

"this is a friend talking toyou Paul"

because I became a friend withhim,

he was a very wonderful person

and I didn't want to see himharmed and I said

"Paul, stop it! Listen to yourson,

listen to your wife, end it,get rid of the

equipment, lock this stuffaway, go on with your

life, go back to your work atyour

business and stop this".

Paul listened to me and Ithought maybe he was

going to take my advice, buthe didn't,

he continued and continued andcontinued and

at that point we ended theinvestigation

we ended every involvementwith

Paul Bennewitz.

(Greg Bishop) By 1988 thingswere so bad that

his family decided to take himto a psychiatric

facility and see if they couldtry and save his life.

He said that aliens would comeat night through

his wall and inject him withsomething

that would make him get in hiscar and drive out

into the desert and he didn'tremember

what he was doing or why hewent

The scary thing was thereactually were

injection marks on his arm.

(distorted voice)This is afriend talking to you...

Years later, I sat down withPaul, at dinner and

told Paul, exactly, thateverything we did was a

sanctioned counterintelligence operation

to convince him that what hewas seeing

was UFOs and that what wedidn't want him

to know was that he had tappedinto something

on the base, and we didn'twant him

to ever disclose that.

Paul looked at me and said

"you don't have to lie to meRick,

I know it UFOs related".

(Gabe Valdez) He was caughtright in the middle

of it and then he was used.

If it hadn't been for PaulBennewitz I would have

never known 70% of the stuffthat was going on.

(Greg Bishop) What kind ofstuff did you find

that would make you think thatthere was

something underground there?

(Gabe Valdez )Well, theentrance to...

(Greg Bishop) A big enoughentrance to get

a truck or a plane orsomething through?

- Yes.

- You saw this?

- Uh-hum.

- But it wasn't where Paulsaid it was?

- No.

Well, the first case of thecattle mutilation in

Dulce, it was June 14th 1974.

People do kill animals andsteal the meat,

and it's different, it wasdifferent.

Why did they just take theudder,

the lymph nodes and the tongue

at the base of the throat withthe tonsils?

And we're finding the evidenceat the mutilations,

gas masks that were made bythe

military, radar chaff, and thetranquillisers

they were using atropine,

they were injecting them withatropine.

I was up front with theranchers

they were losing cattle and

nobody was compensating them.

I wasn't hiding anything, Inever did.

I'm established as somebodywho is doing

all of this news anddocumentary.

So I start getting newspapers,people are saying

"Linda, what is the answer?"

Ok, this is what I'm going todo next.

I'm going to get to the bottom

of this animal mutilationmystery.

And finally in October of 79Lou Girodo

who was the head of thedistrict attorneys

office in Trinidad says, withour cameras running,

finally "well, investigatorsand I

have come to the conclusionwe're dealing with

creatures not from thisplanet"

is the way he put it

which is in my film, A StrangeHarvest.

And said all the reasons why,the orange lights

that he and a deputy had seengo into the

ground, come out, split intwo, in pastures where

they had mutilated animals.

(Gabe Valdez) We did followone and it stayed

there, it was hovering on topof

the cattle, Manuel Gomez'scattle, and when

I was going to try andintercept it myself it

flew over me. But this

looked like a saucer type,yeah, aircraft.

- Ah ha.

- You could see lights in itblinking.

Why do they put lights

if they're from outer space?

They don't need any guidancewith lights!

I was an analyst in the agencyresponsible for

chemical weapons analysis sothe

embassy would always give me a

security escort and bodyguard.

Special Forces guy came, and Isaid

'Hey, what do you know

about these crazy storiesabout the helicopters

that are taking mutilatedcattle?'

'Oh he says, my real job,

I'm in a special group in NewMexico.

We've been doing somethingthat is really,

really interesting' he said,'it just blows

my mind, I just...we got thesehelicopters

that I'm flying' he says

'these helicopters are allfixed up.

First of all they got nomarkings on' em.

Second of all they're reallyfast.

Third, they're really quiet,and they got

a lot of lights. We got redlights, we got white

lights, we got strobe lights.'

I said 'What are you talkingabout?'

He says, 'We pretend we'reUFO's"

What the hell is that?

(Greg Bishop) Do you knowanything about this?

Where did all that informationcome from?

Why do you listen to thosepeople, they lie?

It's like, yes but they talk.

And if they talk, once in awhile you're gonna

get a piece of something inthat huge pile

of crap that will actuallyconnect to what you

want, and if you don't letthem take you

somewhere like they did withPaul, kind of

keep an even keel, I thinkyou're ok.

You just have to listen that'sthe thing.

(Man at conference) So are yousaying that the

Dulce base, or the Dulcearchitecture,

let's call it, ah, exists ordoesn't exist?

Have you investigated the RANDcorporation's

involvement in tunnelling inthat area

in the 50's and 60's?

(Greg Bishop) Oh yeah, yeah, Iactually put

some of that in the book...

(Man atconference)...construction of anuclear

waste facility there...

(Greg Bishop) Not waste, butthey exploded an

atomic bomb underneath aboutten miles from

Dulce to try and get gas outof the ground.

Stupidest idea! They couldn'tuse the gas

'cos it was radioactive.

(ARCHIVE) New programs of theAtomic Energy

Commission and other agenciesare designed

to expand the usefulness ofnuclear energy.

Before work is begun on any ofthese programs.

The government evaluates thehealth and

safety factors, often forseveral years.

Project Gasbuggy was anunderground nuclear

detonation that took place in1967

in Dulce, New Mexico.

It was an attempt to releasenatural gas

reserves from the subterraneanenvironment

in a sort of early version ofwhat we

would now recognise asfracking.

Some people have suggestedthat the cattle

mutilation program wasactually a covert

monitoring program forassessing the radiation

leakage levels into theenvironment,

into the ecosystem and intothe food chain.

(Gabe Valdez) Senator HarrisonSchmitt had a

conference here in 1980, 'costhe ranchers

were asking for help,

and I met Paul Bennewitzthere.

He was taking a bunch ofpictures of the aircraft

coming out of the Kirklandarea,

but we were watching the sameaircraft flying

in the Dulce area, see.Everybody's looking at

these sophisticated aircraftand kind of saying

'well they're the one's thatare

mutilating the cattle.'

One agency was doing thecattle mutilation,

but the people that were doingthe research

on the aircraft used thecattle mutilations to test

their aircraft so that peoplethink

it was ufo's...and it helped

the cattle mutilation thingsee!

It's a wonder they didn'tcrash

into each other, you know!

(Walter Bosley) Would we useperception

to help shroud what we'retrying to protect?

Absolutely!

If you've got an aerialplatform that is highly

advanced and the public whohappens to

get a glimpse of the thingfrom time to time,

if they're convinced that it'sfrom Venus

and there's no way it could beour military,

well hey you know, that'sawesome!

Hell yes!

If I'm the agent running theprotection for that

particular program and that'shelping me

to cover something for years?

I might even feed the fire.

(Linda Howe) Doty and otherswould probably

defend theircounter-intelligence efforts

as being patriotic.

They are carrying out workassigned by people

who have decided that theremust be a

policy of denial

in the interests of nationalsecurity.

They're working for mygovernment.

They're working in agencies ofthe government

that is supposed to beprotecting

of the people by the peoplefor the people.

How did it all turn upsidedown?

(Tracy Torme) At the corethere is something that

they want to keep people awayfrom.

A real truth.

I'm Richard Doty.

I'm here at the UFO congressat Laughlin,

Nevada, as a private citizen,

just enjoying the sights andsounds.

Disinformation is designed toappeal

to the person that it'soperating on.

The more dramatic you can beappealing to that

prejudice, the better you'regonna get

your hooks into the personyou're trying to get.

In Paul Bennewitz's case, hewas taking about

UFOs so if they wanted hisfull and

undivided attention, theywould talk UFOs with

him which is exactly what theydid.

Bennewitz was filming reallyhighly strange craft.

Then counter-intel's job is tocome in and

muddy the waters and make him

look like a fool, and one ofthe cover jobs...

it's been a cover story in theU.S for a long time

- tell the media, tell anybodywho will listen

that they're using UFOs tocover up

advanced technology - when thetruth

is exactly the opposite of thewords!

(Mark P off camera) Ourperspective is that

the ufo phenomenon isabsolutely genuine...

(Linda Moulton Howe) Hah! Inspades!

(Mark P off camera) Yeah.However,

within that arena there havebeen points at

which disinformation hasentered the

stream, you know, and there'sno...

(Linda Moulton Howe) From FDRon!

It became seen as necessary tocreate an

active disinformation programin the late 1970's

and early 1980's

and the reason for this istwofold. One was

the American Freedom ofInformation Act

(Archive Voice): "It's curtaintime.

An ingenious printing elemetthat works faster

than the eye can see. Watch itin action."

(Richard Dolan) Thousands ofpages of

documents were released fromplaces like the

CIA, the FBI, all the militaryagencies.

Documents proving the lie thatagencies across

the board were interested andwere tracking

the UFO phenomenon.

During the late1970's

a variety of leaks started tooccur.

Now they're just storiesright?

But the problem is there weremany of them

and they seemed to have

a coherence about them.

Researchers at the time

were in a very optimisticmode.

I wouldn't say there were somuch giddy

as just hopeful, that if theygot the right leak,

or the right document, thatthey just might be

able to smash the wall ofsecrecy.

Then what happens?

Then we get entrants into thefield by individuals

who start leaking documents ofdubious

origin whose provenance wasbasically

unknown, that caused now

twenty five years ofdissension

in the research field.

And it's the same within themainstream media.

Serious media never in theirnews coverage

seriously promoted the extraterrestrial

hypothesis, what they did dowas move that

to the realm of entertainment.

Any time someone brings suchideas up

seriously, what you find isthe serious media

says well, you've beenwatching

too many movies.

So in a sense you could arguethat the movies

are used to inoculate thepublic

against these truths.

So these demonstrably falseUFO stories

become inoculations.

When the doctor inoculates youfrom a disease,

he gives you a little bit ofit, and then

your body's immune systemrecovers, deals

with it and now you're kind ofimmune to it.

(George Hansen off camera)Look at the UFO

conferences, where are theyheld?

Usually in small dingy hotelswith rather limited

numbers of peopleparticipating

(James Carrion off camera) Imean there has to

be a reason why it'sperpetuating.

You don't see conferences onleprechauns, so

why do we still haveconferences on UFOs?

One of the keys to adisinformation campaign

is to have a feedback loop

and you need people on theinside to feed

back to you the results of theoperation.

Probably Doty's first successin rounding up a

useful asset as they say inthe

intelligence field, or auseful idiot as they also

say in the intelligence fieldwas his

recruitment of a man namedWilliam Moore.

Now William Moore I think verysignificantly

was the co-author of the

first book about Roswell.

(Rick Doty) I was given thetask of making

contact with Bill Moore andbasically finding

what he knew and who he knew.

Bill was a little reluctant todisclose everything

to me, for obvious reasons.

Here I am a government agentcoming in and

introducing myself and

wanting to know what he knew.

But there's techniques that weuse,

that we're trained to use ingaining that

person's confidence, and I usethose techniques

against Bill Moore and theyworked and

Bill Moore took me into hisconfidence

and we had a professionalrelationship as far as

him providing us informationabout the ufo

community and agreeing to saythings we

wanted said regarding the ufocommunity

or within the ufo community.

The process of studying thisphenomenon

and the people involved withit, of

assessing the claims and thecounter-claims

and of dealing with thequestion of

how we as earthlings will reactto the

the discovery of a race ofextra terrestrial

visitors and how they willreact to us

all of this and more when

finally looked at inperspective leads

us to the inescapablerecognition that in

studying the ufo phenomenon

we are at the same time

becoming more aware of

ourselves as individuals

(Robert Durant) Moore wassingled out

because he had achievedconsiderable

celebrity within the ufo fieldand a certain

authenticity that wouldrecommend him to

politicians and journalists,

and remember it's the

politicians and thejournalists who are the

ultimate target of all of thisdisinformation.

I went to visit Bill, he had abad back,

he was lying flat on his back,

he couldn't move, he was intraction

and I remember him verydramatically

saying to me 'aliens do exist,ufo's are real,

I know that now for a fact'.

Just seems kind of almost likea bad

science fiction movie, butthat's kind of

what was going on at the time.

He was invested in maintainingthese contacts

that he had supposedly insidethe government.

At one point Bill Moore hadplayed me

an early tape recording of aconversation he

had with Doty, and Moore wastelling me,

you know, this is a hugebreakthrough,

and this guy is like on theinside and

he's gonna give a lot of stuffaway.

I just remember even back thenthat I was

kind of suspicious that itsounded a little too

good to be true, but I waskind of curious as to

why somebody who supposedlywas in

Air Force intelligence wasspeaking so openly

about some of these incrediblethings.

(Robert Durant) William Moorewas using his

position as an executive of anoutfit that

was called the AerialPhenomena Research

Organisation and in fact Moore

admitted that he paid off thesecretary

of that organisation to sendhim reports at

once when they came in and

they went directly to Doty.

Bill didn't believe everythingI was telling him

and obviously he's a verysmart person

and a lot of the information Iwas telling him

wasn't factual.

If you were a UFO researcherand you were

offered documents that nobodyhad ever seen,

that pointed the way to whatthe government

might know about UFO's and inexchange you

basically had to report onwhat people were

thinking, what rumours weremaking the

rounds, that's what he wasoffered and in

exchange he was offeredsomething that

nobody else had gotten up tothat point

pure unadulterated informationthat would

lead him to the centre of theanswer,

the answer to the question

you know, what does thegovernment

know and are there actuallysome sort of

non-human intelligences

interacting with the humanrace.

(Robert Durant) Moore laterwas part of the

series of break-ins into theBennewitz house,

and the psychological warfareprogram.

Again, self-admitted by Moore.

Moore was not working alone.

Others, I'm convinced went forthe same deal,

and the deal was very simple.

You co-operate with us, and,we will give you

the information that the U.Sgovernment has

deep down in those vaults.

Now, this is the Faustianbargain that

William Moore went for

and he came up short on it.

It became apparent to me thatmy supplying

information to the governmentthrough Doty

on the activities of PaulBennewitz, APRO,

and to a lesser extent,several other

individuals was to be a partof this equation.

I also discovered thatwhatever it was that

Bennewitz was involved with,he was the

subject of considerableinterest on the part of

not one but several governmentagencies,

and that they were activelytrying to defuse

him by pumping as muchdis-information

through him as he couldpossibly absorb.

Being a very small part ofthat process gave me

I thought something of anadvantage.

It became my intention to playthat advantage

for all the information Icould get out of it.

Bennewitz for his part...

(Convener) Frankly I'm alittle ashamed of

some people in this audience,regardless of

what you believe what you hearor not.

(Greg Bishop) They had to stopthe talk about

4 or 5 times just because ofall the yelling.

People got mad ran out ofthere, I saw a woman

start crying and leave, peoplekept saying

'where'd you get all that crapfrom Bill'

and one guy said 'I'm gonnaget a firehose'

and ran out the back. Verydramatic.

Bill's admission to workingwith government

agents was the firstacknowledgement to

the degree which ourgovernment would go

in an attempt to keep thecover-up going, and

I think people were angry,maybe not so much

at Bill, but at themselves fortheir own

naiveté as allowing that tohappen,

and refusing to acknowledgethat they

could have been just as easilyduped,

it's scary to think, geesomebody I trusted

might be playing me for thefool.

Bill Moore I think probablybelieved

what he was preaching.

I think he was one of thesepeople that wanted

to believe that he was one ofthe chosen few

to spread this information,

to be the Moses of mythology,UFO mythology.

(Robert Durant) Moore's bookwas well received

and in my opinion, well doneresearch,

but very troubling because thethesis was that

Roswell was a real spaceshipthat crashed

and that the U.S governmenthas the parts.

I believe that he was singledout precisely to

ultimately discredit him andRoswell, to keep

the press and the politiciansoff of Roswell.

(ARCHIVE) July 8th 1947.

The army airforce hasannounced that a

flying disk has been found andis now in the

possession of the army.

Army officers say the missilefound sometime

last week has been inspectedat Roswell,

New Mexico and sent to WrightField, Ohio

for further inspection.

(Mark Pilkington) The keything to remember

about the alleged crash of aUFO at Roswell

in 1947 is that by the time ofPaul Bennewitz's

involvement in the UFO fieldit had been entirely

forgotten by the UFOcommunity, and it was

only with the publication in1980 of the

Roswell Incident by WilliamMoore

and Charles Berlitz that theelements of

the Roswell story, the crashedspacecraft,

the recovered alien bodies,the pact between

the American government andthe

extra-terrestrials to backengineer

their technology. All of thesethings have

eventually become the corestory of the

American UFO mythology.

Their craft crashed somewhereafter coming all

these 50 light years, theycrashed

and then they sent another onethat crashed

again, and sent another onethat crashed.

About nine crashes in theSouth West

in the late 40's and thatwould indicate

to me or at least suggest tome that we were

testing something that wascrashing.

Roswell happened.

Two crashes, one in Roswelland one west.

They didn't find the craft fora couple of years,

it was all one crash but ittook them a

couple of years to find thesecond crash site.

(Conference voice)Things aregetting weird man.

Now Doty played a massive rolein the

perpetuation of the Roswellmyth, many of the

ideas prominent in the UFOsubculture for

two decades and it wascompletely avoided.

Rick Doty is certainly afascinating character

and clearly a trickster.

(Robert Durant) A man whoprobably has

trouble figuring out whetherhe's lying

or not these days

(George Hansen) It would notsurprise me

if people were selected to sowdisinformation.

It would also not surprise meif some of the

people were selected becausethey were not

very bright, they lackedcertain critical

judgement but were veryenergetic in putting

out certain messages, and I dooften think that

some of the people in thegovernment

agencies who have beeninvolved in the

UFO field were kind of pushedor nudged

in that direction.

They'd just go into the fieldand

muck it up automatically bythemselves

without any external controls

Rick is not the man you'reafter, it's the

person in the control position

that's important here. In myopinion

he was just simply a pawn in a

much larger game. Just as Iwas.

What we are hearing todayabout malevolent

aliens, underground bases,secret treaties

with the US government, hasits roots

firmly planted in theBennewitz affair.

The entire story of a secrettreaty between

the US government and thealiens, of

exchanges of technologybetween us

and the aliens, of battlesbetween the aliens

and American armed forces, andof aliens

having implanted hundreds ofthousands,

if not millions, of humanbeings for the

purpose of taking over theworld, and

using us as cattle, or slaves,came about as a

result of the disinformationprocess.

I know, because I was in aposition to observe

much of this process as itunfolded, and

I was providing regularreports on its

effectiveness to some of thevery people

who were doing it to Paul.

It wasn't a whole lot that wedid.

It was just a simple, really,really, simple,

nod and statement to Paul thatwhat he was

seeing was probably UFOs.

It's generally assumed thatthe counter

intelligence operationconducted against

Paul Bennewitz was designed tothrow him off

the scent of some kind ofclassified

experimental technology that hewas

accidentally filming overKirtland AFB

but when you stop to think

about it this doesn't make awhole lot of sense.

If the Kirtland base personnelreally had wanted

him to stop his investigationsthey

could have ordered him to doso

instead they encouraged him tocontinue his

research and indeedfacilitated his growing

delusions about anextra-terrestrial invasion.

What this suggests is thatrather than a

campaign directed against PaulBennewitz

this was an information war onthe

American UFO community.

And there are a number ofreasons why

Air Force Intelligence mighthave wanted to use

Bennewitz as a conduit fordisinformation.

The ufologists were constantlyseeking

evidencefor theextra-terrestrial conspiracy

and theUFO cover-up. They weredigging

through documents, they werehanging

around secret air bases andquite likely

stumbling upon genuine militarysecrets.

And a more serious possibilityis that

Soviet agents may have beeninfiltrating the

UFO field in order to extractthis kind of

information about newtechnologies.

I think it's no coincidencethat the timing

of the operation against PaulBennewitz

dovetales with the developmentof the

Stealth programme, and at thetime this was

the absolute pinnacle ofglobal aviation

technology and that's exactlythe sort of thing

that Soviet agents would belooking for.

If you guys are doing afilm... I...

I do not want to do aninterview in a film

in which you're going to tryto communicate

that there's nothing to UFOsthan

advance technologies beingused to cover...

I mean... (Mark Pilkington offcamera) No No

(Linda Howe) Then all you'redoing is playing

into the government's hands...

that's absolutely what theywant people to do...

(John L and Mark P off camera)No...

That's absolutely not whatwe're doing

(Greg Bishop ) People tryingto put out

documentaries about UFOsseemed to be

teased over and over and havethe rug pulled

out from under them at thelast minute.

In the late '70s a rumourstarted circulating that

there was a film of a UFOlanding at

Holloman Air Force Base, inNew Mexico.

And apparently a UFO came andlanded at the

air force base, on the tarmac,a group of

people went up to meet him,there was a sort of

exchange of information

the alien got back in his shipand took off.

(Richard Dolan) I havewondered,

whether that film - I think asmany people

have wondered - that film wasan

abortive attempt at some kindof disclosure.

We began with an invitationand met with

Paul Shardle, who was head ofsecurity for the

Depository, where all thefilms by the military

are sent, out at Norton.

We talked about possibleprogrammes such

as three-dimensional movingholography,

atomic fission, a dogprogramme where they

trained Shepherds to doreconnaissance,

and a lot of laser work atWright Patterson.

Then he said: "I want you tocome with me

into this studio."

We went into a studio, whichwas a clean room.

He said: "What would you thinkif we told you

that in the early '70s therewas a landing

of an alien craft at HollomanAir Force Base,

and our TDY, temporary dutyguys, had

filmed it?" And I was justsort of scratching my

head thinking, UFOS?!

What are we talking about?

So he said: "Look, if you'reinterested,

bury that under the otherprojects, as UFO

sends up a red flag." He said

"If you're interested, go talkto Captain

somebody,and he'll start aliaison with

the Pentagon." Which we did.

I was told that there wasfootage

and that was sort of like acarrot.

Where you'll be provided witha film

that we have, 900 feet ofEktachrome,

and off we began our project.

We had a legal contract withthe Pentagon

and an agreement on everythingthat we were

gonna be doing and their totalco-operation.

They fulfilled every one ofour requests,

they vetted our information,gave sanction to it,

they really did not influencethe content at all,

I was quite surprised.

Even the people at Hollomandid not say

"what are you doing?

What are you talking about?"

They seemed to confirm that

something had happened.

And the film was notforthcoming

but I knew where it was andwhat it was and

was told by one of the peoplewe worked with

that it was confiscated at thelast minute

because it didn't seemappropriate.

So we ended up having to go toanimation.

But everything else wasdocumented

as I recall it happening.

It was a daylight shot of alight ascending

on Holloman Air Force Base.

And with that little clip,that's all that I tell you

it's genuine.

A landing of a craft atHolloman...

it was... film... verybrief... that's all...

you know... I can tell youit's genuine...

(Mark P) Just that snippetthat you saw?

(Robert Emmeneger) Just alight...

coming down from above...

it was really not thatdistinguishable

it was just among otherfootage,

that's all I can tell you...

(Mark P) And just to say oncamera that you

never saw the Holloman Landingfootage?

(Robert Emmeneger) Notreally...

(Mark P) Oh... OK!

Can you elaborate?

(Sound Recordist off-camera):Can we just

wait for that car?

(Robert Emmeneger) Saved bythe car!

I'm trying to think how toanswer that.

I knew what the film wasabout, all the details.

But I never saw a realprojected version.

(Mark P off-camera) You saw astill of it?

(Bob Emmeneger) Yes.

(Linda Howe) What is yourbottom line?

Beginning, middle and end?

(Mark P off-camera) Our bottomline is that

there is a UFO phenomenonthat's

genuine and needs to bestudied, and seriously

and one of the things thatmakes that

difficult is the muddying ofthe waters by

people like Rick Doty, WalterBosley and

others who are working forOSI, FBI,

who ever else they're workingfor,

CIA, NSA, and they are makingthe work of

people like yourself, and us,and others who

want to understand what'sreally going on

very, very difficult.

(Chris Green off-camera) Ifyou believe that it's

true then you have to buy in

to this phantasmagorical,conspiratorial, bizarre,

nonsensical, ridiculous story,and

when I've sat down with Rick,his response to

me is, you know, it's reallyall true.

(Bill Ryan off-camera) Rick'sgreat strength is

that he's a wonderfulstoryteller.

He's a very friendly guy,

he builds relationshipseasily.

My immediate instinct is totrust him.

(Tracy Tormé off camera) Ithink it's very easy

to mislead people in the UFOcommunity.

You get them going down acertain trail..

you give them certain leadsand you just

watch people chase their tailsover

and over again, looking forthe truth.

I was living and working inNew York when

Linda Howe actually came tostay with me for

a few days and it was right inthe midst of her

working on this HBO project.

Linda was sort of, I believe,on the track

at the time, of thinking thatthis was the

film that was gonna againexpose everything,

and I believe she was in touchwith Doty at

the time, in fact I think shehad even gone

to see him face to face.

And that was very curious tome because

I'd known about this guythrough Bill, you know,

Bill Moore, and I thought,hmm,

now he's sort of hooking Lindain the same way.

Doty said that he has names ofpeople

who are witnesses. A securityguard has a gun

melted in his hand, there's adisc, beings.

I want to investigate thatstory.

The original plan with LindaHowe was to

obtain as much information asshe knew,

and to find out what she wasgoing to air

in this documentary for HBO

and whether we wanted it airedor not.

So I drove her out toKirtland, to the OSI office.

I took her into a specialroom,

I told her it was theCommander's office,

which wasn't really,necessarily true...

The first thing that shiftedthis from what I

thought was going to be a fiveminute meeting

- get these names, phonenumbers

and addresses and go on -

I had already set up otherthings to do...

"That documentary that you did

broadsided the government."

"How do you mean?"

"Nobody ever expected that acredible journalist

would ever take on the animalmutilation story."

It was like something wasshifting in the air...

Where is this going?

What is happening here?

He never gave me a list ofnames

or phone numbers. Instead, hesaid

"My superiors have asked me to

show you something."

Pulled out this manilaenvelope,

pulled out these pages

and as he's handing them tome, he says

"You can read these but youcannot take notes.

You can ask me questions

but I want you to move fromthat chair

you are sitting in to thatchair"

Everything that was done therewas being

filmed by other agents inanother room

and there was a two waymirror.

And I'm looking at the toppage,and it's all caps

Briefing Paper for thePresident

of the United States ofAmerica

on Unidentified AerialVehicles.

And I'm trying to read what isthe most

remarkable series of lettersand words that has

probably ever been handed tome

because this was new, I wasinnocent.

And it started out about allof these places

in the United States that thegovernment had

retrieved discs that wereidentified as

extra-terrestrial.

I knew some names, likeRoswell.

There was Aztec, Magdelena,South of Laredo,

down in Arizona.

There were... my mind was kindof reeling at

how many places this issaying, because

all of us had only heard ofRoswell, really.

And eventually it came toparagraphs that are

as indelibly emblazed on mymind sitting

here today as they were then.

And the one that is probably

worth sharing from all of this

"These extra-terrestrialsmanipulated DNA

in already evolved primates tocreate

homo sapiens."

And I remember reading thatsentence

over several times, trying toabsorb

the implication of itsmeaning.

Because if homo sapiens is agenetically

constructed species byextra-terrestrials,

we are then, by definition,

a planet of six and a halfbillion androids.

If we are androids,

what purpose are we serving?

All of that hit me, readingthat sentence.

Then, on the last page

paragraph, paragraph,paragraph, paragraph

PROJECT GARNET, all caps.

All questions and mysteriesabout the

evolution of homo sapiens onthis planet

have been answered and thisproject is closed.

The documents that I showedher

came from our special officein Washington,

with the operational plan and

what I was supposed to do.

And the plans to show herthese.

And I'd read them, and I knew

what was in them

and I realised that some of

the information contained inthem was real.

But then I realised that youhave to give

some real information in order

for a person to think you'recredible.

So I knew what was in there

and I gave them to her

and it was sanctioned.

I did what I was told to do.

When you look back at it

they must have had meetingsabout

"How do we stop

a persistent and doggedreporter

who has already demonstratedthat

she's going to go after a

really, really difficultsubject.

How do we stop her?"

When you look back

it all makes sense.

She wanted me to tell herthings

that I couldn't tell her

and at one point she

went public with my name

and she did what PaulBennewitz

and Bill Moore didn't do

and she publicised the fact

that she was deceived

by a government agency,

namely OSI

and although there were manyother

people involved with thatoperation

she named my name

and so I became a publicfigure.

We actually played a trick onLinda

that, er, kind of paid herback so to speak.

Not anything that harmed herin any way

or anything like that

We kind of planted something

that she ran with which wasn'tfactual

and I think she realised that

maybe she should keep hermouth shut

after that.

(Mark P off-camera) The forgeddocuments

shown to Linda Moulton Howe

by Richard Doty would form thebasis of the

Majestic 12 papers

which expanded upon the storyof the

Roswell UFO crash and provided

the foundations for the futureUFO

mythology in America.

And over three decades later

these documents are stilldividing

the international UFOcommunity.

Before it had always beeninferred

that a cover-up was underway.

There was talk about who wasinvolved

and so forth, but there wasnever

any paperwork.

Here's the paperwork.

A package showed up at thehome of

Jamie Shandera, who was Bill's

sort of writing and researchpartner.

What it contained was acanister of 35mm film

they developed it, and whatwas on it was

photographs of this document,saying that there

was a group that had beencontrolling UFO

information, how it wasreleased in public

and how the government shoulddeal with it.

Regarding the MJ-12 documentsthat were

released to Jamie Shandera andBill Moore,

I had absolutely nothing to dowith that.

The document could be real,and because

of the nature of it, it made aperfect

perception management device.

People have to realise thatthese things may

not be to cover up the truthabout flying saucers

it may be more to gatherinformation

about how the public responds

to manipulation.

When I print off the sum totalof

all those documents - you geta stack

about this thick

when you read them through

as one day I decided this iswhat

I am going to do,

it's very impressive.

To have faked it would haverequired a team,

a high level team, of veryvery expert individuals

who know everything aboutdocument creation,

science and technology in the1940s and '50s

and a whole bunch of otherthings.

I looked at them, andinitially I thought

they were good forgeries, butover time

my opinion of their qualityhas gone down hill.

The use of a zero in front ofa date,

the use of an extraneous comma

the obviously photocopiedsignature

they just keep getting worseand worse.

If they were faked, the onlything that

one can say is, the UFO topicwas considered

important enough by thesepeople to create

the most elaborate,incredible, detailed

series of papers, and onewould have to ask

if they're faked

Why?

There were some investigationsconducted

by FBI, OSI, regarding theMJ12 documents,

extensive investigations, justto determine

whether these things werelegitimate

whether they containedclassified

information and then whoreleased them.

I was interviewed as a suspect

did I do these?

It was proven that I didn't do'em. But

somebody outside the governmentcreated it

and in that particularinstance

I don't know if the government

would prosecute them.

Doing that would lend credenceto the

document and then they wouldhave to

disclose the information

and so the best thing to do isjust say...

we did an investigation

and not tell anyone what theoutcome was.

(Mark P Off-Camera) I like tothink of UFOs

as weapons of mass deception,and

the role of the intelligenceorganisations

and the military, inpropagating UFO

mythology, as somewhatanalogous

to what evolutionarybiologists call

a punctuated equilibrium.

The UFO mythology develops ofits own accord

and the Mirage Men will justdrop a new

piece of data, a new meme,some new faked

documents into the mix as andwhen it is

expedient for them to do so.

And so there's no real needfor a sustained

UFO deception campaign becausethe folklore

is just perfectly capable ofsustaining itself.

The US government had a oncesecret

programme in which 12astronauts

were sent to an alien homeworld, Serpo

thirty eight point four lightyears away

from the years 1965 to 1978.

When the returning astronautscame back

I believe there were seven,that report was

finalised into a report called

Project Serpo in 1980.

Rumours about this kind ofthing had been

flying around since the 1960sor '70s,

so it's got some kind ofhistorical provenance.

(Victor Martinez) In Novemberof 2005

Project Serpo was sent to myUFO thread list

I received an email fromsomeone

he requested to be anonymous

When I first read thatbombshell email

it was far different fromanything

I'd ever received

and even though it was aversion that was

different from what I wasfamiliar with

it had the ring of truth

Someone within the governmentwould have

to be co-operating because Ican tell you

that a lot of information

not all of the particulardetails,

but a lot of the informationis factual

I believe it is adisinformation campaign

to lead people astray.

That said, a gooddisinformation campaign

a good perception managementcampaign

always includes nuggets of factand truth

and some of those nuggets offacts

and truth should be, if you'regoing to do it

effectively, should be some ofthe more

extreme facts or truths.

They brought back thousands ofsoil samples

samples from the Ebencivilisation, and I

believe all these artefactsare now ensconced

at Bolling Air Force Base.

And photographs too.

There's always a possibilitythat the Serpo story

was created for disinformationto present

to the Soviets back during theCold War

and somebody stumbled on toit.

There's always thatpossibility,

but I don't think so.

It's not a professional job.

Myself and three others wereworking as

a research team looking intothe Serpo story.

We really wanted to get to thebottom

of Rick's involvement in it.

People within the UFOcommunity

immediately said

'Hey, is Richard Doty involvedin this?

Did Richard Doty do this?'

I never had anything to do

with the Serpo story.

We were adamant at this timethat Rick Doty

was the person sending theinformation.

But we didn't have any proofand the only way

we could get that proof was ifwe could see

an actual copy of the originalemails

that the anonymous source

had been sending Victor.

Unless Rick Doty is one thegreatest novelists

and writers of the 21stcentury,

it's not him.

We came up with a plan.

We'll use the same name andjust contact

Victor and let him think hisanonymous

source was back in touch withhim.

We asked Victor to send uscopies of the emails

that we, allegedly, had senthim which meant

we could look at the headersof these emails

to determine where theyactually came from.

And it was from looking atthose headers

and having emails from RickDoty to compare

against, that it was indeedRick Doty's

IP address on the RequestAnonymous emails,

and, as it turned out later,he was also

several other people in thestory.

All contacting Victor andVictor thinking

he's been contacted by amultitude of different

people when in fact it was allone person

it was all Rick Doty.

I didn't create it, I didn't,err, conspire with

anyone else to create it.

It was created by somebodyelse and,

those people, I don't know.

(Bill Ryan) How do we everknow

what we know?

Apart from Victor Martinez whoreally

started this thing off

I'm the only name who's known.

We've got this anonymousstoryteller

round this giant camp firewho's entertaining us

with this incredible tale, andwe're sitting here

with bright eyes with theflickering flames

thinking 'wow, tell us somemore'.

The idea of disinformation isthat

it's meant to be believed.

With Serpo, the first responseis

'well this is fascinating, butit's ridiculous.'

Of course there's an aspect ofme that

wants to believe thiswonderful story.

I had no idea where this wouldbe leading...

(Greg Bishop) Well when Ifirst met Bill Ryan

at the Loughlin conference in2006

he presented himself assomeone being

given information to reveal tothe public

he didn't quite know why butthought

it was very important.

What's strange about the Serpothing and

Richard Doty was that hedenied, you know,

continually and vociferouslythat he had

anything to do with it, yet hecame to the

Loughlin UFO convention to seewhat was

going on there, to hear BillRyan talk and

announce this to the world inperson rather

than just on the radio andbasically had his

hands in a lot of things thatwere going on

or at least looked like

an interested bystander.

Why should he be interested inthis silly story?

Wonderful question.

We don't know whetherAnonymous

got this from the movie orwhether

Spielberg had the tip-off thatthis was one of the

ways, as many people in thiscommunity

suspect, over the years, thepublic

have been graduallyacclimatized to the

possibility of this contact

with an extra-terrestrial race

by seeding little parts of thetruth here

and there in movies is thebest way to get

ideas through to the generalpopulation.

This might have been

one of the ways of doing it.

I think the information shouldbe

brought out to the public.

Let the public decide

whether this is real or not.

(Bill Ryan) Whether you think

the information is real ornot, or whatever

the proportion of that might bethe case

this is a governmentoperation.

If it's a government operation

these guys wouldn't be doingtheir job

if they weren't following me

every step of the way.

Ever since the middle ofNovember

I've been assuming that I'mbeing monitored.

If they're not doing that

they're not doing their job.

And it's like I'm one part ofa team but

I don't even know who

the other team members are.

And I have to assume that

I'm being bugged.

I mean, this may be paranoidbut

whatever's going on, it'shappening at a

government level, andtherefore everything

I do is being watched.

I have to assume I'm beingtested.

You know the whole Bill Moorestuff?

(Mark P) Yeah, yeah. Noabsolutely.

(Bill Ryan) I wasn't aroundthen

but if they were hangingaround...

where I did... to see

whether he would make a goodspook...

just to see whether he was

willing to obey orders...

I have to assume that's

there's something more atstake.

You see, what I...

(John Lundberg interrupting)You also

need to have a really goodbullshit detector

(Bill Ryan) Yes I know

Since 1985 I've talked to 18

people at the cabinet level orabove

including 4 presidents.

About a third of them havesaid 'It's true',

about a third have said 'Iheard it,

and I think it's true' andabout

a third of them have said

'I don't have a clue.

I do think though, DoctorGreen,

that this important for you toinvestigate.'

Turn it off for a minute.

The trouble with the whole UFOthing

is there are so many peoplewho make up

BS stories that no one cancheck.

Somebody can step forward andsay

'I'll tell you what's going onin UFOs', and they

can say 'I've briefed thePresident',

'I've done this, I know what'sgoing on'.

I don't know ... I thinkthere's

too much BS in that field.

Part of the problem that UFOscreated was

that there were people withingovernment

within the air force, withinthe CIA, who

really believed that flyingsaucers existed.

And because they had stature

because they had rank

their opinion was consideredproof.

(ARCHIVE) Unless we understand

and work effectively for theprinciples

on which our American way oflife

is founded the structure willcrumble.

Well, before going to NortonAir Force Base,

going into a clean room andbeing told we

had a landing by someone whoseemed to be

respectable, his name was allover the wall as

head of security, and his bossand everything

agreeing... I didn't believeit then, but

then when confronted with theinformation

I now realise after workingwith

intelligence people that it'sa reality.

And they stand behind the ideathat

they don't disbelieve it'sjust so far it's not

proven to be a threat to ournational security

and that's the way they gotout from under it.

In the intelligence communitythere are

definitely people who areinterested in

extraordinary phenomena,particularly UFOs

definitely believers in there,because you

don't work in that profession

and it's not just a profession

it's a world unto itself

without learning some things.

How many pictures do you need

how many eye witnesses,

how do you study somethingthat controls,

possibly, even this programme?

What is known of the truth ofthem

- these other beings?

What if the truth is bad?Could be.

What if we're their farmanimals?

What if they eat uspsychically?

Yeah, I don't know. There's alot of possibilities

there that are not good.

I think we are surfing on thewave of a huge

adventure of the opportunityof humankind

rolling into a totally new era

and that wave might break oneof these days.

Even the Vatican recently hascome out in

preparation saying 'Hey,listen, you know if

there is anybody out there,they're all

God's creations and they'reour brothers and

sisters really.' I mean,what aset-up

that is for what might becoming next.

We're really a by-product of

extra-terrestrialintervention.

We're really - I mean, this ismy view

- that we're... we've beengenetically altered by,

maybe not one, maybe perhapsseveral

extra-terrestrial races.

The government obviouslydoesn't want to

tell us, otherwise they'ddisclose

everything they knew.

And the most importantplayers,

the aliens, don't wantdisclosure

because they could discloseany time.

I mean, they control most ofthe cards.

I don't have any files, anyphotographs,

anything to show you, I justhave a lot of

personal research, I have myprofessional

experiences and I have thebona fides, the

tested bona fides of thesources

and I have my intuition.

And those things all fittogether

and you kind of get a picture.

There is a planet, that orbitsSirius

the Dog Star system, they arehuman

they are very much interestedin us

and they have been key to oursurvival

and they are capable of cominghere

certainly others have comehere.

Um, now... could that be partof disinformation?

Absolutely.

I read things even today thatwe fed to

Paul Bennewitz or to LindaHowe or to

Bill Moore that I fed to them.

And I see that today and it'ssurprising that

that stuff's still there butit just shows

we were a professionalorganisation

and we did our job

and that information is stillout there.

People whose job it was tomake the subject

look ridiculous over the last50 or 60

years have done a very goodjob.

I don't know where they'refrom, I don't know.

I don't know where they'refrom.

I know that they're not, like,

from Detroit, you know.

That's as far as I can takeit.

So again, when somebody startssaying

'well here's who they are',

'here's why they're here',

they lose me almostimmediately.

I was selected to participatein a special

access programme within the

counter intelligencecommunity.

My supervisor selected me

and said 'you're going to bebriefed

into a programme and you'regoing to be

responsible for investigatingeverything

associated with thisprogramme'.

The first part of the briefingdealt with

how the United States AirForce were countering

unauthorised disclosure oftechnology to the

public by using the UFOphenomena

as a cover.

And then the second part ofthe briefing was

where we were actually shownand briefed

about the United Statesgovernment

involvement withextra-terrestrials since the

late 1940s, which was obviouslythe most

interesting part of thebriefing.

Well they showed us a lot ofthings.

They showed us a film whichwas late 40s or

early 50s film of a recoveryoperation which

they talked about as being inRoswell.

They showed crash debris, theyshowed

extra-terrestrial bodies

and then there was also abriefing showing a

live alien sitting in a roomtalking to people.

And then the narrator of thisfilm talked about

the continuation of aconnection between the

United States government and

extra-terrestrialcivilizations.

After viewing this I was notsure if it was real,

if it was... they presented itto us for

some reason, maybe some kindof

psychological conditioning, Idon't think

I initially believed any ofit.

But after the film was overwith and the

Air Force Colonel in uniformthen started

talking about the operation,the programme

how the United Statesgovernment, and it was

always the United Statesgovernment, it wasn't

Air Force or Army it was theUnited States

government, how theyprogressed from

the early days, meaning thecrash retrieval

operations in the late 40suntil now

which was the late 70s.

And then the more he spoke,the more I

realised that what I saw wasreal.

I mean this guy wouldn't besitting here

standing here talking to uswith the people in

the room briefing into thishigh-level

programme if it was a hoax.

A fractured hall of mirrorswith a quicksand

floor that nobody knows exactlywhat the

truths are and everybody hasfound themselves

completely suspicious of themotives of any

human being becausecounter-intelligence

in England and the UnitedStates and a lot of

other countries have workedovertime to

misinform and to tell thepublic and

the media there is nothing to

the UFO phenomenon.

It's a lie - I have noquestion about it -

and my work is to try to shedsome light on

what could be so threateningout of

some other intelligence fromsome

other part of the universe or

it's been here for two billionyears

and it's not extra-terrestrialbut we're

the new ones on the block.

What is it that is consideredso threatening

that governments will killpeople

to keep it silent?

They can't come forth and say

'yeah, OK, we had contact in1947,

all this is real'.

What would that do?

That would open up thePandora's Box,

because there would bemillions and millions

and millions of people askingquestions

that somebody has to answer.

The easiest thing for thegovernment to do

is just to say 'no comment' or

'no, it I didn't happen'.

But there are so many people,so many people

within the government thathave come forth

with information saying 'itdid happen',

'it's real', and the reasonI'm doing it

is because I asked thegovernment

a long time ago

'hey what am I supposed tosay?'

And they're going to say

'you stick to the fact it'snot real'.

But when the government triedto discredit me

on something then I went tothem and said

'Listen, you're tellingeverybody it's not real

and I know it's real, and youknow it's

real and all these otherpeople know it's real

so I'm going to tell thepublic

what I know about it'.

And the government basicallysaid

'do what you gotta do'.

(Robert Durant off-camera)Let's take one

step at a time.

You're looking at RichardDoty,

and by looking at him, you'retaking a

glimpse into a whole machine

that now has a life of itsown.

(SONG) Well, I was a young manand I'd heard

about UFOs, but you know Ididn't believe

it was even possible to a havea UFO

but then I went... to an AirForce Base,

an Air Force Base they took measide and said,

'You know what?

Guess what? We have an alienamong us'.

And I said, 'You got to bekidding.'

And they said 'Would we kidanybody? No!'

Up on the Air Force Base, upon the Air Force

Base, and now I stand beforeyou

saying that I am a truebeliever in UFOs.

UFOS!

Believer in UFOs!

UFOs are real indeed!

That is so dumb!

I don't even make any sense.