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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,875 --> 00:00:07,572 There was a homicide in the town of Caton. 2 00:00:14,231 --> 00:00:15,928 There's blood splatter. 3 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:18,888 There's blood on the floor, down the stairs. 4 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:25,938 There was animus directed at this victim. 5 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:28,506 The daughter told me that Mommy woke her up, 6 00:00:28,593 --> 00:00:31,944 screaming that the bad man was attacking. 7 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:34,295 Her husband always had cash, and there was always 8 00:00:34,295 --> 00:00:36,340 a lot of cash in the house. 9 00:00:36,471 --> 00:00:37,994 There's a motive right there. 10 00:00:38,125 --> 00:00:40,692 I come to the realization that he could be our suspect. 11 00:00:40,692 --> 00:00:41,867 His demeanor was very odd. 12 00:00:41,954 --> 00:00:43,565 He was jumpy. 13 00:00:43,695 --> 00:00:44,740 But he has no blood on him at all? 14 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:46,829 both: No. - His alibi was solid. 15 00:00:46,959 --> 00:00:50,006 There's nothing that connects him. 16 00:00:50,137 --> 00:00:51,964 So now it doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. 17 00:00:51,964 --> 00:00:53,618 Now I'm thinking, holy crap. 18 00:00:53,749 --> 00:00:54,924 What are we missing? 19 00:00:54,924 --> 00:00:56,491 What haven't we figured out yet? 20 00:01:02,410 --> 00:01:07,197 In America, we're the first line of defense. 21 00:01:07,284 --> 00:01:10,374 Drug busts, serial killers, armed robbers, 22 00:01:10,505 --> 00:01:13,551 predators of every kind-- 23 00:01:13,638 --> 00:01:17,294 we take them off the streets. 24 00:01:17,425 --> 00:01:19,775 People love telling stories about us. 25 00:01:25,781 --> 00:01:28,784 They don't know the half of it. 26 00:01:28,784 --> 00:01:32,179 We save that for when we're talking cop-to-cop. 27 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:37,009 This is "PD True." 28 00:01:49,674 --> 00:01:52,416 So September 29, 2015, how do you--what happens? 29 00:01:52,416 --> 00:01:54,244 How do you get involved in this? 30 00:01:54,244 --> 00:01:56,072 I get a call about 1:00 in the morning 31 00:01:56,203 --> 00:01:57,813 from one of our captains, 32 00:01:57,943 --> 00:01:59,249 alerting me to the fact 33 00:01:59,380 --> 00:02:01,730 that we had responded to a 911 call. 34 00:02:10,739 --> 00:02:12,262 There was a homicide in the town of Caton, 35 00:02:12,393 --> 00:02:14,482 which is about five miles from where I live. 36 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,487 So I responded directly to it. 37 00:02:19,617 --> 00:02:23,099 Jim Allard has spent 35 years in law enforcement, 38 00:02:23,186 --> 00:02:28,235 serving as the elected sheriff of Steuben County since 2016. 39 00:02:28,322 --> 00:02:29,453 They arrived at this crime. 40 00:02:29,453 --> 00:02:32,674 Do you know-- do you know the location? 41 00:02:32,674 --> 00:02:36,112 Kenneth Corey is a 34-year veteran of the NYPD 42 00:02:36,243 --> 00:02:38,375 who worked his way up from patrol 43 00:02:38,506 --> 00:02:42,074 to the highest-ranking uniformed officer. 44 00:02:42,205 --> 00:02:43,685 I do know the house. 45 00:02:43,685 --> 00:02:46,688 I didn't necessarily know the people that lived there. 46 00:02:46,688 --> 00:02:48,472 I know the next-door neighbor very well, 47 00:02:48,472 --> 00:02:50,692 and the previous owner, I knew. 48 00:02:50,779 --> 00:02:52,084 OK. 49 00:02:52,084 --> 00:02:53,347 Alli, how do you get involved in this? 50 00:02:53,347 --> 00:02:55,784 So I got a call from my supervisor. 51 00:02:55,914 --> 00:02:59,091 And my role at the time was, I was in computer crimes. 52 00:02:59,091 --> 00:03:01,181 So when we have a major scene, 53 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:03,400 they send us out with the forensic team. 54 00:03:03,531 --> 00:03:05,707 Allison Regan became a state trooper 55 00:03:05,707 --> 00:03:08,927 with the New York State Police in 1994 56 00:03:08,927 --> 00:03:11,147 and rose to the rank of senior investigator 57 00:03:11,234 --> 00:03:14,106 with a specialty in tech crimes. 58 00:03:14,106 --> 00:03:16,500 And what do you--what do you see when you get there? 59 00:03:16,587 --> 00:03:19,416 There's already a couple of our vehicles there. 60 00:03:19,547 --> 00:03:21,070 There's already a couple state police vehicles there. 61 00:03:21,070 --> 00:03:22,767 We had personnel arriving. 62 00:03:22,898 --> 00:03:25,117 The state police had personnel arriving. 63 00:03:25,117 --> 00:03:26,945 Everybody was kind of converging 64 00:03:27,032 --> 00:03:29,426 on that location at that time. 65 00:03:29,557 --> 00:03:31,776 34 minutes earlier, Steuben County 66 00:03:31,776 --> 00:03:34,692 sheriff's deputy Dean Swan arrived on the scene 67 00:03:34,692 --> 00:03:36,955 at 12:49 a.m. 68 00:03:36,955 --> 00:03:39,436 He is the first to do a walk-through. 69 00:04:14,123 --> 00:04:15,472 10-4. 70 00:05:17,621 --> 00:05:19,493 There comes a point you learn who the victim 71 00:05:19,493 --> 00:05:20,842 of this horrific crime is, right? 72 00:05:20,842 --> 00:05:22,974 And who is that? - Yes. Kelley Stage Clayton. 73 00:05:24,715 --> 00:05:28,153 She's the wife and the mother of two 74 00:05:28,284 --> 00:05:30,286 that resides in that home. 75 00:05:30,286 --> 00:05:33,115 The person outside is her husband. 76 00:05:33,245 --> 00:05:35,030 The kids are not on the scene. 77 00:05:35,030 --> 00:05:37,032 We started doing searches, but this is in the middle 78 00:05:37,162 --> 00:05:38,425 of the night. - Yup. 79 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:40,340 And we're trying to contain the scene 80 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:44,039 and get everybody in that we need in order to process this 81 00:05:44,039 --> 00:05:47,303 in a professional manner, trying to make sure that we 82 00:05:47,303 --> 00:05:49,740 didn't misstep, didn't miss anything 83 00:05:49,871 --> 00:05:51,481 from the beginning of this moving forward. 84 00:05:51,612 --> 00:05:53,091 So why are the state police involved? 85 00:05:53,178 --> 00:05:54,528 I mean, you're describing 86 00:05:54,528 --> 00:05:55,616 a pretty big state police presence. 87 00:05:55,616 --> 00:05:57,095 It was. 88 00:05:57,182 --> 00:05:59,097 So we're a pretty rural county. 89 00:05:59,097 --> 00:06:03,058 We're 1,400 square miles with 40 uniformed personnel 90 00:06:03,058 --> 00:06:06,409 to cover it over three shifts. 91 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:08,542 So each deputy's covering 500 square miles. 92 00:06:08,629 --> 00:06:09,891 We partner with the state police 93 00:06:09,891 --> 00:06:12,372 and work hand in hand with them. 94 00:06:12,502 --> 00:06:14,461 Pretty much any major crime scene, 95 00:06:14,461 --> 00:06:16,941 it's a joint effort in our county. 96 00:06:17,072 --> 00:06:18,987 I arrived with the forensic team. 97 00:06:19,117 --> 00:06:20,510 Paint a picture for me. What does that look like? 98 00:06:20,641 --> 00:06:21,903 Like, what do you see? 99 00:06:21,903 --> 00:06:23,861 Kind of, like, surreal in the sense, 100 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:25,559 like, this could be my house, you know. 101 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:29,301 It's just an average home with, you know, kids running around. 102 00:06:29,432 --> 00:06:31,347 Did a walk-through of the residence, 103 00:06:31,434 --> 00:06:33,088 proceeded to gather evidence, 104 00:06:33,218 --> 00:06:35,917 including her cell phone 105 00:06:35,917 --> 00:06:37,919 and other digital evidence in the house. 106 00:07:00,594 --> 00:07:01,290 As I'm going through the house, 107 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:03,466 I can see where there had been 108 00:07:03,466 --> 00:07:06,382 a violent assault on Kelley. 109 00:07:06,513 --> 00:07:07,775 There's blood splatter. 110 00:07:07,905 --> 00:07:09,864 There's pictures knocked off the walls. 111 00:07:15,043 --> 00:07:16,827 I could see where Kelley had been in her bedroom 112 00:07:16,958 --> 00:07:18,612 at the top of the stairs 113 00:07:18,742 --> 00:07:20,614 and then a path down the hallway 114 00:07:20,744 --> 00:07:23,834 towards the children's bedrooms. 115 00:07:23,921 --> 00:07:26,837 Blood smear on the door handle to the child's room. 116 00:07:26,924 --> 00:07:30,145 And then going down the stairs, blood on the floor, 117 00:07:30,145 --> 00:07:32,713 damage to the walls where someone's either been 118 00:07:32,713 --> 00:07:34,932 forced through or fallen through 119 00:07:34,932 --> 00:07:39,154 and then throughout the living area into the kitchen, 120 00:07:39,154 --> 00:07:41,983 where Kelley was finally assaulted for the last time 121 00:07:42,113 --> 00:07:43,680 and killed. 122 00:07:43,811 --> 00:07:46,727 Severe damage to her face and head. 123 00:07:46,857 --> 00:07:49,817 So it appeared like a blunt force injury. 124 00:07:55,823 --> 00:07:58,869 And so from this, you're putting together that 125 00:07:58,956 --> 00:08:02,264 whatever happened probably started upstairs 126 00:08:02,394 --> 00:08:03,570 and then worked its way down. 127 00:08:03,570 --> 00:08:05,572 Yeah, there was a violent struggle 128 00:08:05,572 --> 00:08:07,965 and someone trying, it would appear, 129 00:08:08,096 --> 00:08:12,187 to get away from it, which was what Kelley was doing. 130 00:08:12,187 --> 00:08:14,145 No weapon right there at the scene or nothing evident? 131 00:08:14,145 --> 00:08:16,191 No, sir. 132 00:08:16,321 --> 00:08:18,846 So the male that you see when you pull up is her husband? 133 00:08:18,976 --> 00:08:20,021 Thomas Clayton. 134 00:08:23,764 --> 00:08:26,593 He discovered the body, called 911, 135 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,812 which led everyone to the scene. 136 00:08:28,812 --> 00:08:30,684 What does Tom say in his 911 call? 137 00:08:30,684 --> 00:08:31,598 I mean, I imagine that's something you review 138 00:08:31,598 --> 00:08:33,469 pretty early on. - Mm-hmm. 139 00:08:44,262 --> 00:08:46,743 He does say that his wife is dead. 140 00:08:46,874 --> 00:08:47,831 - I'll defer to-- - My recollection of the call 141 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:49,833 was, he said, help me, help me. 142 00:08:49,833 --> 00:08:52,488 - Yup. - My wife is dead. 143 00:08:52,619 --> 00:08:54,882 Weeden Wetmore was elected 144 00:08:54,882 --> 00:08:59,103 Chemung County's district attorney in 2008. 145 00:08:59,103 --> 00:09:03,107 The 911 call to him was over, but the mic was still open. 146 00:09:03,238 --> 00:09:04,587 He was still on the line. 147 00:09:04,718 --> 00:09:06,458 The line was still open, and he was-- 148 00:09:06,589 --> 00:09:08,286 he went from this hysterical guy 149 00:09:08,286 --> 00:09:11,072 to being with his daughter in the house, saying, 150 00:09:11,072 --> 00:09:12,682 did you see a robber? 151 00:09:19,863 --> 00:09:21,691 Thomas, how about his background? 152 00:09:21,691 --> 00:09:24,781 I knew him as a hockey player in Elmira. 153 00:09:28,829 --> 00:09:29,699 Like, a professional hockey player? 154 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:31,092 I guess it's considered professional. 155 00:09:31,222 --> 00:09:32,746 It's-- 156 00:09:32,833 --> 00:09:33,877 - East Coast Hockey League. - Yeah. 157 00:09:33,877 --> 00:09:36,837 - Kind of semipro or--OK. - Yes, yeah. 158 00:09:36,967 --> 00:09:39,361 He owned a SERVPRO that he did mitigation. 159 00:09:39,491 --> 00:09:41,929 If there was a flood in your business, 160 00:09:42,059 --> 00:09:44,279 they would come and do the mitigation 161 00:09:44,409 --> 00:09:45,759 or any kind of damage. 162 00:09:45,889 --> 00:09:48,152 How about his reputation as a hockey player? 163 00:09:48,283 --> 00:09:50,502 He was an instigator on the ice... 164 00:09:52,287 --> 00:09:53,331 Trash talk and that kind of thing. 165 00:09:53,462 --> 00:09:54,506 Yeah, right, right. 166 00:09:57,205 --> 00:09:59,424 Kelley's sister show up at the scene at some point? 167 00:09:59,555 --> 00:10:01,470 - She does, yeah. - And who's that? 168 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:02,950 That's Kim Bourgeois. 169 00:10:05,779 --> 00:10:08,085 - So do you talk to her? - I did. 170 00:10:08,216 --> 00:10:09,304 OK, so what does--what does she have to offer there? 171 00:10:09,434 --> 00:10:11,741 She was incredibly upset, 172 00:10:11,872 --> 00:10:13,656 and she wanted to get in to see her sister. 173 00:10:13,656 --> 00:10:15,179 And I wouldn't let her in... 174 00:10:15,310 --> 00:10:17,138 - Of course. - The scene, obviously. 175 00:10:17,138 --> 00:10:20,489 And then she wanted to see the body before it left. 176 00:10:20,489 --> 00:10:22,883 And I told her, no, your sister 177 00:10:22,883 --> 00:10:24,362 doesn't look like she looked in life. 178 00:10:24,493 --> 00:10:26,713 You're not gonna see the body. 179 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:41,336 She said that Tom had called her 180 00:10:41,336 --> 00:10:44,208 and said that robbers had killed Kelley. 181 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:48,212 She was talking about people that Tom had recently fired, 182 00:10:48,212 --> 00:10:51,912 that we should look at them, and that Tom always had cash 183 00:10:52,042 --> 00:10:56,394 and that there was always a lot of cash in the house. 184 00:10:56,394 --> 00:10:58,005 There's a motive right there why somebody would have 185 00:10:58,135 --> 00:11:00,268 targeted the house, right? - Absolutely, yup. 186 00:11:00,398 --> 00:11:03,663 So if he's known to keep large amounts of cash 187 00:11:03,793 --> 00:11:05,708 or if he's even thought to keep large amounts of cash 188 00:11:05,708 --> 00:11:07,884 at home as a small-business owner, 189 00:11:08,015 --> 00:11:09,059 that part of the state, the way you're describing 190 00:11:09,190 --> 00:11:10,974 the community, probably not terribly unusual 191 00:11:11,061 --> 00:11:13,107 for people to leave their doors unlocked. 192 00:11:13,237 --> 00:11:15,936 It's possible that somebody entered with the intention 193 00:11:16,066 --> 00:11:18,286 of maybe they expected the house to be empty, 194 00:11:18,416 --> 00:11:19,591 or they don't expect Kelley to be there, 195 00:11:19,722 --> 00:11:21,376 or Kelley wakes up and confronts... 196 00:11:21,376 --> 00:11:22,333 - Or she has company. - The intruder. 197 00:11:22,333 --> 00:11:23,726 - Yeah. - Right. 198 00:11:23,726 --> 00:11:24,727 - Yeah, yup. - Yeah. 199 00:11:24,727 --> 00:11:26,381 All those are possibilities. 200 00:11:26,381 --> 00:11:28,339 She tells you that she doesn't think that Tom 201 00:11:28,339 --> 00:11:30,298 would ever hurt Kelley. 202 00:11:30,298 --> 00:11:33,257 She was pretty adamant that that was an impossibility 203 00:11:33,388 --> 00:11:35,390 and that Tom and Kelley were soul mates. 204 00:11:35,390 --> 00:11:37,044 Tom would never hurt Kelley. 205 00:11:37,044 --> 00:11:39,089 And how long have the Claytons been married? 206 00:11:40,656 --> 00:11:42,223 At least seven years. 207 00:11:42,310 --> 00:11:45,879 I think they'd lived in Caton for about five. 208 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:47,794 Thomas Clayton was from Binghamton, New York. 209 00:11:47,794 --> 00:11:50,318 - OK. - And Kelley was from 210 00:11:50,448 --> 00:11:53,451 West Elmira, very popular family. 211 00:11:53,451 --> 00:11:57,020 And she was a beautiful girl, I can tell you that. 212 00:11:57,020 --> 00:11:59,240 You said you didn't know him personally. 213 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,764 I know the neighbor didn't like Tom. 214 00:12:01,895 --> 00:12:03,984 He liked Kelley, but he didn't like Tom. 215 00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:05,159 Tom have any criminal history? 216 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:06,987 No, no. 217 00:12:07,117 --> 00:12:08,205 Nothing that's getting the attention of the police? 218 00:12:08,205 --> 00:12:09,424 Correct. 219 00:12:09,424 --> 00:12:10,642 When he was a member of the Elmira Jackals, 220 00:12:10,773 --> 00:12:12,253 they had an after-hours bar 221 00:12:12,253 --> 00:12:14,472 that they would go to after the games. 222 00:12:14,472 --> 00:12:19,390 And at some point, Thomas jumped up on a table, 223 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:21,044 took his clothes off. 224 00:12:21,131 --> 00:12:23,046 He had that kind of reputation 225 00:12:23,046 --> 00:12:26,006 of a devil-may-care before all this. 226 00:12:26,006 --> 00:12:27,790 And in hindsight, the people said, 227 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:30,227 when something off-color might happen, 228 00:12:30,227 --> 00:12:31,272 that's simply Tom. 229 00:12:31,272 --> 00:12:33,448 That's Thomas. - Party guy, I would say. 230 00:12:33,578 --> 00:12:35,798 Yeah, he was a party guy. 231 00:12:35,929 --> 00:12:38,105 Yeah, he was a gregarious, talkative guy. 232 00:12:38,105 --> 00:12:41,238 And so I'm sure he was popular with the ladies. 233 00:12:41,238 --> 00:12:44,633 And Kelley fell under, you know, 234 00:12:44,633 --> 00:12:47,810 his magnetism, so to speak. 235 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:49,725 Little bit of a local celebrity. 236 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:51,553 That happened while he was still playing hockey, right? 237 00:12:51,683 --> 00:12:53,250 So that's probably a number of years earlier. 238 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:54,817 - Mm-hmm. - But nothing recently. 239 00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:58,647 No--you know, no arrest history. 240 00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:00,431 He had absolutely nothing. 241 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:04,827 What is it that you come to learn about him, 242 00:13:04,958 --> 00:13:06,611 you know, in those early hours? 243 00:13:06,611 --> 00:13:07,961 I asked him where he'd been. 244 00:13:08,091 --> 00:13:10,877 He offered up that he had been at a poker party. 245 00:13:29,852 --> 00:13:30,679 His demeanor was very odd. 246 00:13:30,766 --> 00:13:34,509 He was jumpy, excited-acting. 247 00:13:34,509 --> 00:13:36,685 He was moving around a lot. 248 00:13:53,397 --> 00:13:58,750 At one point in time, he was bouncing from place to place. 249 00:13:58,750 --> 00:14:01,144 He laid down on the driveway and scooped up some water 250 00:14:01,231 --> 00:14:03,146 out of a mud puddle and spit it back out. 251 00:14:08,543 --> 00:14:10,197 Yeah, his behavior is a little erratic, 252 00:14:10,327 --> 00:14:11,938 but people process grief differently. 253 00:14:12,025 --> 00:14:13,330 - Yup. - The two children 254 00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:14,462 were next door with the neighbor. 255 00:14:14,462 --> 00:14:16,333 Mm-hmm. 256 00:14:16,464 --> 00:14:17,900 At some point, do you have an interaction with them? 257 00:14:18,031 --> 00:14:20,120 Or somebody's got to check on them, right? 258 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,210 Yes. 259 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:25,212 I go in and I talk with his daughter. 260 00:14:25,212 --> 00:14:27,475 Just start a general conversation with her, 261 00:14:27,605 --> 00:14:28,824 where she goes to school. 262 00:14:28,911 --> 00:14:32,567 She went to the same school that my kids all went to, 263 00:14:32,567 --> 00:14:34,351 I think your kids all went to. - Yeah. 264 00:14:34,351 --> 00:14:38,051 And just made some common ground 265 00:14:38,051 --> 00:14:40,401 and said, you know, what happened tonight? 266 00:14:40,488 --> 00:14:41,793 What did you see? 267 00:14:41,924 --> 00:14:44,796 And she asked me if Mommy was dead. 268 00:14:44,927 --> 00:14:46,407 And I said, I don't know. 269 00:14:46,407 --> 00:14:49,845 She then told me that she followed the fight 270 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:54,023 down the stairs and watched the bad man hitting Mommy, 271 00:14:54,154 --> 00:14:55,285 she said, with a pipe. 272 00:15:01,465 --> 00:15:04,251 So she went back upstairs to her little brother 273 00:15:04,251 --> 00:15:08,995 and watched over him until Daddy got home. 274 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:19,179 The last things her mother said to her was to run. 275 00:15:19,309 --> 00:15:22,051 Instead she goes and protects her little brother 276 00:15:22,182 --> 00:15:24,097 until Dad can get home. 277 00:15:32,322 --> 00:15:35,543 I'm looking at her, listening to this story, 278 00:15:35,673 --> 00:15:37,762 equating her with my own daughter, 279 00:15:37,762 --> 00:15:41,288 and thinking, holy crap. 280 00:15:41,418 --> 00:15:42,942 It broke my heart. 281 00:15:43,072 --> 00:15:44,247 Was she able to give you a description 282 00:15:44,334 --> 00:15:46,336 of the bad man that she described? 283 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:51,341 Yeah, she said that he had on a mask and a dark shirt. 284 00:15:51,428 --> 00:15:54,954 And I said, is he taller than me or smaller than me? 285 00:15:55,084 --> 00:15:57,260 And she said, he's about your size. 286 00:15:57,260 --> 00:15:59,480 He's about the same size as Daddy. 287 00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:02,918 And I asked her--I said, well, how do it's a man 288 00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:06,008 if, you know, he's got a mask on, all of this stuff? 289 00:16:25,114 --> 00:16:27,899 The daughter was very matter-of-fact. 290 00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:29,814 And she said it was his eyes. 291 00:16:29,814 --> 00:16:31,033 He had Daddy's eyes. 292 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:32,382 His eyes looked like Daddy's. 293 00:16:38,562 --> 00:16:41,217 After we leave, she keeps talking about it, 294 00:16:41,348 --> 00:16:43,437 to the point where then she convinces herself 295 00:16:43,567 --> 00:16:45,569 that it could have been Daddy. - Yeah. 296 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,049 'Cause at first, she's like, it couldn't be Daddy, 297 00:16:47,136 --> 00:16:48,137 'cause who would take care of us? 298 00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:50,487 As a law enforcement professional, 299 00:16:50,487 --> 00:16:52,881 you know, we learn how to kind of compartmentalize. 300 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,840 You know, but at the same time, I mean, you know, I mean, 301 00:16:55,927 --> 00:16:59,148 that's got to be really emotionally impactful on you. 302 00:16:59,148 --> 00:17:00,193 It is. 303 00:17:00,193 --> 00:17:02,151 It stayed with me for a long time. 304 00:17:02,151 --> 00:17:04,501 It was heartbreaking to hear 305 00:17:04,588 --> 00:17:07,852 because she's processing it as a seven-year-old. 306 00:17:07,939 --> 00:17:09,593 Jim did a great job. 307 00:17:09,593 --> 00:17:10,899 It's a very delicate situation. 308 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:12,292 It's not something you do every day. 309 00:17:12,422 --> 00:17:13,075 Yeah. 310 00:17:27,698 --> 00:17:29,657 Why do we look at spouses in domestic homic-- 311 00:17:29,744 --> 00:17:32,747 or in homicides, you know, why do we look at spouses? 312 00:17:32,834 --> 00:17:35,402 There's a high percentage that are committed by spouses. 313 00:17:35,532 --> 00:17:37,360 Tom's gonna go from there back to the station, 314 00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:39,536 I guess, to kind of be formally interviewed? 315 00:17:39,536 --> 00:17:41,669 He goes to the Painted Post State Police Barracks 316 00:17:41,756 --> 00:17:42,757 for interview, yeah. 317 00:17:48,632 --> 00:17:49,938 So what does he tell you? 318 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:51,374 When he rode to the police station, 319 00:17:51,505 --> 00:17:53,768 he also said, hey, you'll find out that I wasn't here. 320 00:17:53,898 --> 00:17:55,204 I was at a poker game. - Right. 321 00:17:55,204 --> 00:17:56,945 Yeah, he doesn't know who did it 322 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:59,339 and that obviously it was a robbery 323 00:17:59,469 --> 00:18:01,863 and that he was at a poker game 324 00:18:01,863 --> 00:18:04,605 and he has a solid alibi. 325 00:18:04,735 --> 00:18:08,130 And he could think of no one that could have had 326 00:18:08,261 --> 00:18:10,263 any animosity toward his wife. 327 00:18:10,263 --> 00:18:13,483 However, at the scene, the Bourgeois family 328 00:18:13,483 --> 00:18:15,920 had told the police that there's a couple people 329 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,531 from Tom's business who-- 330 00:18:17,661 --> 00:18:19,054 - That he had recently fired. - Recently fired, 331 00:18:19,141 --> 00:18:20,708 and you might want to look at them. 332 00:18:20,838 --> 00:18:22,971 Yeah, yeah. 333 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,321 And those people certainly would have known, you know, 334 00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:26,453 the kind of business that Tom did 335 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:29,020 and whether or not he was gonna have 336 00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:31,545 money in his house. - Absolutely. Yup. 337 00:18:31,675 --> 00:18:33,460 You know, maybe looking for a way to get back 338 00:18:33,460 --> 00:18:34,939 just to steal his money. - Correct. 339 00:18:40,684 --> 00:18:44,384 When Deputy Swan did the initial walk-through, 340 00:18:44,471 --> 00:18:45,602 they determined there was no forced entry. 341 00:18:45,733 --> 00:18:48,301 There was no broken windows, no broken doors, 342 00:18:48,301 --> 00:18:49,606 no forced locks. 343 00:18:54,698 --> 00:18:59,138 There was no sign whatsoever of anyone entering 344 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:01,314 unlawfully into the residence. 345 00:19:14,022 --> 00:19:15,066 No valuables missing. 346 00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:17,156 - No valuables missing. - Right. 347 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,158 In our area of the country, 348 00:19:19,288 --> 00:19:22,639 I would say robbery is pretty rare, 349 00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:24,772 very rare in that location. 350 00:19:24,772 --> 00:19:27,992 So to say it was a stranger broke in and, you know, 351 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:30,125 was trying to burglarize a home 352 00:19:30,212 --> 00:19:32,736 would be very rare. 353 00:19:32,736 --> 00:19:36,262 So Thomas, what are they looking for? 354 00:19:36,392 --> 00:19:38,264 You know, if they're looking at him physically, 355 00:19:38,394 --> 00:19:39,569 what is it that they're looking for? 356 00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:41,397 So they're looking for any kind of blood splatter, 357 00:19:41,397 --> 00:19:45,445 any kind of offensive wounds, offensive-- 358 00:19:45,445 --> 00:19:49,362 or wounds that would show that he's an attacker, 359 00:19:49,449 --> 00:19:51,581 looking for anything from the scene 360 00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:52,974 that might be on him. 361 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,374 Looking for anything from Kelley 362 00:20:01,461 --> 00:20:03,811 that might be on him, on his clothes. 363 00:20:10,034 --> 00:20:10,905 And there was nothing found. 364 00:20:11,035 --> 00:20:11,993 - Nothing? - Mm-hmm. 365 00:20:12,123 --> 00:20:14,604 Alli, given these-- 366 00:20:14,604 --> 00:20:15,692 the way that you paint the picture of the scene... 367 00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:17,259 Mm-hmm. 368 00:20:17,259 --> 00:20:19,566 It would be impossible for the offender 369 00:20:19,566 --> 00:20:21,829 to not have gotten Kelley's blood on them. 370 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:23,483 Absolutely. 371 00:20:23,483 --> 00:20:24,353 So he has no blood on him at all? 372 00:20:24,353 --> 00:20:26,573 - No. - Tom doesn't 373 00:20:26,703 --> 00:20:29,576 in any way make contact with his deceased wife's body? 374 00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:31,578 He didn't. 375 00:20:31,708 --> 00:20:33,057 When the investigators were talking with Clayton 376 00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:35,277 at the State Police Barracks, 377 00:20:35,277 --> 00:20:36,626 they introduced--said, hey, 378 00:20:36,626 --> 00:20:40,630 your daughter's saying it looks like you. 379 00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:43,198 And he was shocked. 380 00:20:43,198 --> 00:20:45,809 He--how? It's not me. 381 00:20:45,809 --> 00:20:47,768 Couldn't possibly-- how could she say it? 382 00:20:47,768 --> 00:20:48,769 There's no way. 383 00:20:56,472 --> 00:20:57,734 But now word's traveling pretty quickly, 384 00:20:57,865 --> 00:20:58,779 even in the middle of the night... 385 00:20:58,779 --> 00:21:00,520 Yeah. 386 00:21:00,607 --> 00:21:01,825 That something terrible has happened. 387 00:21:01,956 --> 00:21:03,000 I imagine there's a level of fear in the community. 388 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,567 - There is. - Yes. 389 00:21:04,698 --> 00:21:06,874 The neighbor approached me at the scene 390 00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:09,137 where he's like, hey, can I get back to my house? 391 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,660 If there's a killer out there, 392 00:21:10,660 --> 00:21:13,707 I need to get home, because his wife and kids 393 00:21:13,707 --> 00:21:17,537 are there unprotected and he's at the scene. 394 00:21:17,624 --> 00:21:19,495 You know, now we're looking at Tom's alibi, right? 395 00:21:19,495 --> 00:21:22,281 And, you know, he volunteers he was at a poker game. 396 00:21:22,411 --> 00:21:24,457 Mm-hmm. 397 00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:27,068 So, you know, you're gonna try to verify 398 00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:28,548 both of those things. - Mm-hmm. 399 00:21:28,678 --> 00:21:30,898 So how do you go about doing that? 400 00:21:30,985 --> 00:21:34,249 So we sent two investigators up to the Millers' residence 401 00:21:34,249 --> 00:21:36,251 to verify the poker game. 402 00:21:36,251 --> 00:21:37,252 That's where the game 403 00:21:37,252 --> 00:21:38,209 was taking place? - Yes. 404 00:21:44,868 --> 00:21:46,479 So, you know, when you go talk to the Millers, 405 00:21:46,566 --> 00:21:49,743 they kind of verify that he's there. 406 00:21:49,873 --> 00:21:51,353 Mm-hmm. 407 00:21:51,353 --> 00:21:52,615 But they're friends, right? 408 00:21:52,746 --> 00:21:53,660 I mean, we're not gonna put a whole lot of-- 409 00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:55,139 - Right, right. - Not necessarily put a whole 410 00:21:55,226 --> 00:21:56,576 lot of weight behind that. - Right. 411 00:21:56,706 --> 00:21:59,187 Offer anything up about, you know, 412 00:21:59,318 --> 00:22:00,580 his relationship with Kelley 413 00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:02,146 or anything going on in the household 414 00:22:02,146 --> 00:22:03,626 that they were aware of? 415 00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:04,932 I think they kind of mimic what Kim said 416 00:22:05,019 --> 00:22:06,760 is that they're kind of the all-American couple, 417 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:08,501 and they loved each other and were, you know, 418 00:22:08,588 --> 00:22:10,416 madly in love and what have you. 419 00:22:10,546 --> 00:22:12,461 Are you able to get any video that's helpful? 420 00:22:12,592 --> 00:22:15,334 Yeah, from the Byrne Dairy in South Corning, 421 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:18,989 there was video of the vehicle going by at the time when-- 422 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,817 - Tom's vehicle. - Yes, 423 00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:23,254 the SERVPRO vehicle going by within the time frame 424 00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:27,607 of when he said he left the poker game 425 00:22:27,694 --> 00:22:29,696 to when he arrived at home and made the 911 call. 426 00:22:29,826 --> 00:22:32,263 Yeah, would have supported-- it supported his alibi. 427 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:33,700 - Yes, yup. - You take a look at Tom 428 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:35,528 because that's what we do, right? 429 00:22:35,528 --> 00:22:37,399 I mean, you've got-- you've got-- 430 00:22:37,486 --> 00:22:38,618 we always look at the people closest. 431 00:22:38,748 --> 00:22:40,010 And when you have a dead spouse, 432 00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:41,577 you always look at the surviving spouse first. 433 00:22:41,577 --> 00:22:43,797 But everything, you know, kind of eliminates Tom 434 00:22:43,927 --> 00:22:45,799 from the picture at this point, right? 435 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,062 He's got no--he's got no blood on his clothing. 436 00:22:48,062 --> 00:22:50,064 He's got no physical injuries, which surely he would have had 437 00:22:50,194 --> 00:22:52,501 if--you know, this--the way the crime scene looks. 438 00:22:52,501 --> 00:22:54,764 Right, he's got witnesses who are saying 439 00:22:54,851 --> 00:22:56,810 he's with them during the time that you believe 440 00:22:56,940 --> 00:22:57,941 that the murder happened. 441 00:22:58,072 --> 00:22:59,639 His alibi was solid. 442 00:23:03,207 --> 00:23:06,341 Next time on "PD True"... 443 00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:08,169 He's got a solid alibi. 444 00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:10,780 There's no physical evidence connecting him to the crime. 445 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,002 Everything eliminates Tom from the picture. 446 00:23:18,222 --> 00:23:19,833 But we couldn't get rid of the thought 447 00:23:19,963 --> 00:23:21,661 that somehow he's involved. 448 00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:25,055 There's a lot of deleted material, 449 00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:25,926 deleted text messages. 450 00:23:28,494 --> 00:23:30,409 And this is who Tom is calling 451 00:23:30,496 --> 00:23:32,672 shortly before his wife is murdered. 452 00:23:32,672 --> 00:23:35,022 We learn that he's got money trouble, 453 00:23:35,022 --> 00:23:37,938 that he's been fired a couple times for stealing. 454 00:23:38,068 --> 00:23:40,680 There was something going on between the two of them, 455 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:42,899 but it was all circumstantial evidence. 456 00:23:43,030 --> 00:23:44,248 At this point in time, 457 00:23:44,248 --> 00:23:46,512 we don't know who killed Kelley Clayton. 458 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:47,426 You've got a real mystery on your hands. 35636

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