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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,871 --> 00:00:17,371 I cut my ears off and I was considered quite normal. 2 00:00:17,471 --> 00:00:20,971 I don't want to get married and raise a brood of children 3 00:00:21,071 --> 00:00:24,491 or lead a normal life. 4 00:00:24,591 --> 00:00:29,491 Personally, or in company, I put off about 19 people. 5 00:00:29,591 --> 00:00:33,771 Je ne regrette rien. I regret nothing. 6 00:00:33,871 --> 00:00:35,491 They happened, they had to happen. 7 00:00:35,591 --> 00:00:38,731 I was never quite the psychopathic murdering madman 8 00:00:38,831 --> 00:00:40,691 they had me down as being. 9 00:00:40,791 --> 00:00:41,851 I have. 10 00:00:41,951 --> 00:00:43,851 "Chopper" Read has been my cartoon character. 11 00:00:43,951 --> 00:00:45,951 I'm telling the truth now. 12 00:00:46,951 --> 00:00:49,251 Mark Brandon, "Chopper" Read. 13 00:00:49,351 --> 00:00:53,011 you know the name, you know the face but do you 14 00:00:53,111 --> 00:00:55,991 truly know who he was? 15 00:00:58,111 --> 00:01:01,411 A psychopath, a murderer, a conman. 16 00:01:01,511 --> 00:01:05,691 Was he all, some or none? 17 00:01:05,791 --> 00:01:11,011 And it could go some of the way to perhaps explaining why 18 00:01:11,111 --> 00:01:14,531 a violent criminal became and remains 19 00:01:14,631 --> 00:01:18,051 to this day a national fascination. 20 00:01:18,151 --> 00:01:22,791 Please give it up for Mark Brandon "Chopper" Read! 21 00:01:24,551 --> 00:01:27,331 Best-selling books, a blockbuster movie, 22 00:01:27,431 --> 00:01:29,571 sold out speaking tours followed 23 00:01:29,671 --> 00:01:34,110 but where and how did the "Chopper" circus begin? 24 00:01:37,110 --> 00:01:43,350 Mark Brandon Read was born in Melbourne on 17 November 1954. 25 00:01:45,110 --> 00:01:49,010 His mother was a deeply religious Seventh-day Adventist, 26 00:01:49,110 --> 00:01:51,270 his father a former soldier. 27 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:56,330 Read's youth was spent in and out of children's homes, 28 00:01:56,430 --> 00:02:00,550 foster care and even psychiatric hospitals. 29 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:07,910 By his late teens, he had begun his true descent into crime... 30 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:11,610 ..learning how to become a stand over man, 31 00:02:11,710 --> 00:02:15,590 on the streets and inside prison... 32 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:21,470 ..as he served time for assault and robbery. 33 00:02:22,590 --> 00:02:27,930 But it would be for a brazen, audacious, 34 00:02:28,030 --> 00:02:33,810 or according to some stupid, Australia Day crime in 1978 35 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:37,850 Read would be sent down for a long stretch, 36 00:02:37,950 --> 00:02:42,010 as he tried to kidnap County Court Judge Bill Martin 37 00:02:42,110 --> 00:02:45,070 in an attempt to get a mate freed from jail. 38 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:48,890 He just casually walked up to the judge 39 00:02:48,990 --> 00:02:51,130 and all of a sudden he just walked up, 40 00:02:51,230 --> 00:02:52,930 wrapped his left arm round the judge 41 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:54,970 and pulled the gun from underneath his jacket 42 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:57,250 and held it at the judge's head. 43 00:02:57,350 --> 00:03:02,770 I attacked Judge Martin in the County Court on January 26, 1978. 44 00:03:02,870 --> 00:03:06,670 I was trying to get my mate out of jail, where they were at. 45 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:11,250 But I was apprehended and brought to Pentridge 46 00:03:11,350 --> 00:03:14,010 and they gave me 17 and half years 47 00:03:14,110 --> 00:03:17,490 for my trouble and it has been going on ever since - 48 00:03:17,590 --> 00:03:19,590 trouble, trouble, trouble. 49 00:03:20,670 --> 00:03:22,650 And it would be from within prison, 50 00:03:22,750 --> 00:03:26,229 no less than Pentridge's infamous 'H' division... 51 00:03:27,549 --> 00:03:32,169 ..where "Chopper" truly began his rise to notoriety. 52 00:03:32,269 --> 00:03:34,729 One of the most violent and most feared prisoners 53 00:03:34,829 --> 00:03:36,729 in the Victorian prison system... 54 00:03:36,829 --> 00:03:38,929 Notorious 'H' Division prisoner... 55 00:03:39,029 --> 00:03:41,309 Mark "Chopper" Read. 56 00:03:43,709 --> 00:03:48,169 Inside jail Read's legend grew, as stories emerged during 57 00:03:48,269 --> 00:03:50,649 a vicious fight for control among inmates, 58 00:03:50,749 --> 00:03:56,029 and Chopper's ability to tell a tale only added to his growing mystique. 59 00:03:57,229 --> 00:04:01,209 What would motivate you to get involved in that gang war? 60 00:04:01,309 --> 00:04:05,929 I did not like the faces of the people, of the opposition. 61 00:04:06,029 --> 00:04:07,609 When I arrived in 'B' Division 62 00:04:07,709 --> 00:04:09,109 they seemed to have everything under control, 63 00:04:09,189 --> 00:04:10,489 they were making all the home brews 64 00:04:10,589 --> 00:04:12,309 and getting all the dope in and organising everything 65 00:04:12,389 --> 00:04:14,169 and run around the place like kingpins. 66 00:04:14,269 --> 00:04:17,089 And so I thought I would rectify the situation 67 00:04:17,189 --> 00:04:20,969 and we had some home-made axes made up down the engineer's shop. 68 00:04:21,069 --> 00:04:23,769 And there was me and a couple of friends. 69 00:04:23,869 --> 00:04:26,729 I made them wear overcoats and we had axes up our sleeves 70 00:04:26,829 --> 00:04:29,869 and we went around and dealt with the situation. 71 00:04:30,869 --> 00:04:34,889 And it would be Read and his feared overcoat gang 72 00:04:34,989 --> 00:04:36,849 who would come out on top, 73 00:04:36,949 --> 00:04:40,469 but along the way his list of enemies had exploded. 74 00:04:41,709 --> 00:04:44,329 "Chopper" was forced to take drastic action 75 00:04:44,429 --> 00:04:48,829 in an attempt to get away from them and out of 'H' division... 76 00:04:50,629 --> 00:04:54,609 ..describing the act which he arguably remains best known for, 77 00:04:54,709 --> 00:04:58,609 getting another prisoner to remove his ears 78 00:04:58,709 --> 00:05:02,109 in horrific but compelling detail. 79 00:05:04,029 --> 00:05:05,609 Cutting like a piece of bread, 80 00:05:05,709 --> 00:05:07,889 just cutting through and the blood spurting out, 81 00:05:07,989 --> 00:05:10,669 and he got that one off and then he proceeded to be sick. 82 00:05:11,509 --> 00:05:15,968 The blood was spurting out and I put my hands over my ears 83 00:05:16,068 --> 00:05:19,648 and it sounded like I was listening to trickles of water. 84 00:05:19,748 --> 00:05:20,968 I heard all these trickles of water, 85 00:05:21,068 --> 00:05:23,508 it was trickles of blood coming out through my hands. 86 00:05:24,868 --> 00:05:26,768 I just can't seem to do anything right, 87 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:29,088 everything I say do they say that's faithfully sane. 88 00:05:29,188 --> 00:05:32,888 I cut my ears off and I was considered quite normal. 89 00:05:32,988 --> 00:05:33,928 Quite normal. 90 00:05:34,028 --> 00:05:36,028 Normal. 91 00:05:36,348 --> 00:05:38,928 Normal or not it didn't work. 92 00:05:39,028 --> 00:05:42,768 "Chopper" stayed in maximum security and it caught up with him. 93 00:05:42,868 --> 00:05:47,728 He was eventually cornered, stabbed by members of his own gang. 94 00:05:47,828 --> 00:05:51,608 He lost part of his intestine but he survived. 95 00:05:51,708 --> 00:05:54,448 How do you think the other prisoners would see you? 96 00:05:54,548 --> 00:05:57,548 They hate my guts, I'm as popular as a porkchop in synagogue. 97 00:05:58,428 --> 00:06:03,128 Even in the darkest of places talking about the darkest of subjects, 98 00:06:03,228 --> 00:06:07,448 Read could spin it into a joke and it was perhaps here 99 00:06:07,548 --> 00:06:12,928 where he began to sow the seeds for a persona he would come to promote - 100 00:06:13,028 --> 00:06:16,488 an Aussie Robin Hood who only terrorised criminals, 101 00:06:16,588 --> 00:06:18,708 the nation's underbelly. 102 00:06:20,348 --> 00:06:22,728 There's nothing for me in the future, there's no great... 103 00:06:22,828 --> 00:06:26,168 I'm not motivated by money, I don't want to get married 104 00:06:26,268 --> 00:06:31,888 and raise a brood of children or lead a normal life. 105 00:06:31,988 --> 00:06:33,488 I've got no interest in that. 106 00:06:33,588 --> 00:06:37,788 I'm stuck with what I've got. 107 00:06:38,588 --> 00:06:41,568 After the better part of a decade behind bars, 108 00:06:41,668 --> 00:06:46,388 Read was eventually released but soon found himself under arrest again... 109 00:06:47,948 --> 00:06:49,408 ..after Melbourne drug dealer 110 00:06:49,508 --> 00:06:51,368 "Sammy The Turk" Ozerkam 111 00:06:51,468 --> 00:06:56,228 was gunned down outside a St Kilda nightclub in 1987. 112 00:06:57,908 --> 00:07:01,228 He'd been shot in the left eye from less than a metre away. 113 00:07:02,348 --> 00:07:04,788 Someone with a .410 shot gun. 114 00:07:05,987 --> 00:07:08,067 Lying face up on the concrete. 115 00:07:10,347 --> 00:07:14,967 Read didn't deny shooting Ozerkam but at the time 116 00:07:15,067 --> 00:07:17,767 claimed it was all in self-defence, 117 00:07:17,867 --> 00:07:22,767 describing what happened with chilling composure here to police. 118 00:07:22,867 --> 00:07:26,327 It's like, "Show me your gun, show me your gun, show me your gun." 119 00:07:26,427 --> 00:07:29,047 Crazy, man. And what did you do? 120 00:07:29,147 --> 00:07:31,087 I reached behind here. 121 00:07:31,187 --> 00:07:33,187 (GUN NOISES) 122 00:07:35,387 --> 00:07:36,807 So you have... 123 00:07:36,907 --> 00:07:40,087 I had my shot here, at the end of that here. 124 00:07:40,187 --> 00:07:44,707 A jury believed his story and Read was acquitted of manslaughter. 125 00:07:46,027 --> 00:07:48,487 He didn't remain free for long, though, 126 00:07:48,587 --> 00:07:51,327 returning to Pentridge once again for shooting 127 00:07:51,427 --> 00:07:56,767 a second drug dealer and burning down the house of another. 128 00:07:56,867 --> 00:08:00,587 He would be behind bars for two more years. 129 00:08:03,027 --> 00:08:05,967 After his release from prison in 1991, 130 00:08:06,067 --> 00:08:09,567 he left Melbourne and his perceived enemies behind, 131 00:08:09,667 --> 00:08:13,847 heading for the hills in Tasmania, vowing to go straight, 132 00:08:13,947 --> 00:08:16,847 but would it be a promise he could keep? 133 00:08:16,947 --> 00:08:19,327 I like Tasmania, it's a really very nice place. 134 00:08:19,427 --> 00:08:22,507 If people want to come looking for me it's one-way traffic. 135 00:08:23,747 --> 00:08:25,747 We'll tell you, soon. 136 00:08:46,587 --> 00:08:49,247 Lead a normal life, I've got no interest in that. 137 00:08:49,347 --> 00:08:53,667 I'm stuck with what I've got. 138 00:08:54,747 --> 00:08:56,746 There's nothing for me in the future. 139 00:08:58,106 --> 00:09:00,106 But the future was here... 140 00:09:01,626 --> 00:09:06,046 ..and Mark "Chopper" Read was free after years 141 00:09:06,146 --> 00:09:08,606 in one of the toughest prisons in Australia. 142 00:09:08,706 --> 00:09:13,666 Read had amassed plenty of enemies in and outside of jail. 143 00:09:15,106 --> 00:09:18,766 So less than a week after his release in 1991, 144 00:09:18,866 --> 00:09:23,446 Read and his partner Margaret Cassar left Melbourne for greener 145 00:09:23,546 --> 00:09:27,046 and supposedly safer pastures in Tasmania. 146 00:09:27,146 --> 00:09:30,646 I like Tasmania, it's a very nice place. It's a lovely place. 147 00:09:30,746 --> 00:09:33,486 Apart from that if people want to come looking for me 148 00:09:33,586 --> 00:09:35,886 it's one-way traffic, 149 00:09:35,986 --> 00:09:38,966 They come down here, it's a hard state to get out of. 150 00:09:39,066 --> 00:09:40,846 They just cannot jump on a train, 151 00:09:40,946 --> 00:09:43,206 the planes only leave a couple of times a day. 152 00:09:43,306 --> 00:09:46,026 If people want to get me, they come down here... 153 00:09:49,306 --> 00:09:50,886 ..they're virtually trapped. 154 00:09:50,986 --> 00:09:56,566 I've never really thought about anyone coming after him 155 00:09:56,666 --> 00:10:01,286 but there are hundreds out there he's not very popular with, 156 00:10:01,386 --> 00:10:03,386 but I'm not afraid of it. 157 00:10:04,546 --> 00:10:06,726 I'm afraid of losing him, yes, 158 00:10:06,826 --> 00:10:08,826 but I just don't think about that. 159 00:10:09,706 --> 00:10:12,606 It was here Read decided to write his first book, 160 00:10:12,706 --> 00:10:15,926 a confessional or an embellishment. 161 00:10:16,026 --> 00:10:20,446 Whatever it was, it was a bestseller and it gave ordinary Australians 162 00:10:20,546 --> 00:10:24,386 a rare glimpse into a murky and violent world. 163 00:10:26,026 --> 00:10:29,206 The criminal world is controlled by blood and guts, 164 00:10:29,306 --> 00:10:31,286 it always has been controlled by blood and guts, 165 00:10:31,386 --> 00:10:33,646 it always will be controlled by blood and guts. 166 00:10:33,746 --> 00:10:35,606 When you say blood and guts, what do you mean? 167 00:10:35,706 --> 00:10:41,086 People with the greatest capacity to inflict violence, 168 00:10:41,186 --> 00:10:43,186 murder and mayhem on others. 169 00:10:45,426 --> 00:10:48,685 Bloodthirsty stories but told with a lot of flair 170 00:10:48,785 --> 00:10:52,605 and perhaps a lot of dramatic licence. 171 00:10:52,705 --> 00:10:57,765 Personally, or in company, I've put off about 19 people. 172 00:10:57,865 --> 00:10:59,865 You've killed 19 people? Hmm. 173 00:11:01,105 --> 00:11:02,845 So how do you feel about that? 174 00:11:02,945 --> 00:11:05,765 They'll all criminals, they're all big enough and man enough 175 00:11:05,865 --> 00:11:08,265 to look after themselves. 176 00:11:09,065 --> 00:11:11,925 It's the world they lived in, it's the game they decided to play. 177 00:11:12,025 --> 00:11:13,565 They got beaten at their own game. 178 00:11:13,665 --> 00:11:16,705 Je ne regrette rien. I regret nothing. 179 00:11:17,585 --> 00:11:20,145 The "Chopper"'s style had arrived... 180 00:11:21,585 --> 00:11:23,585 Like a blowtorch. 181 00:11:24,385 --> 00:11:27,825 The smell of burning flesh in the air. (LAUGHS) 182 00:11:28,905 --> 00:11:33,265 ..somehow attempting to make a tale of torture tolerable. 183 00:11:35,105 --> 00:11:38,285 To make whoever it was we had more cooperative. 184 00:11:38,385 --> 00:11:42,125 It never failed? No, you can say once. Once. 185 00:11:42,225 --> 00:11:43,245 What happened then? 186 00:11:43,345 --> 00:11:45,385 We shot him in the head. 187 00:11:47,425 --> 00:11:49,165 'Cause he wouldn't part with the cash? 188 00:11:49,265 --> 00:11:51,525 He was the toughest bastard we ever come across. 189 00:11:51,625 --> 00:11:54,565 He was a Scotsman, come from New South Wales and all he did, 190 00:11:54,665 --> 00:11:56,205 we did everything to him. 191 00:11:56,305 --> 00:11:59,205 He just abused us and spat his own blood at us. 192 00:11:59,305 --> 00:12:03,165 "Chopper" and the crooks and killers he mixed with and targeted 193 00:12:03,265 --> 00:12:06,965 lived by the dark code of Australia's underworld. 194 00:12:07,065 --> 00:12:12,685 Tough and obscene to the rest of us, "Chopper" had his own interpretation 195 00:12:12,785 --> 00:12:15,645 that to him seemed perfectly normal. 196 00:12:15,745 --> 00:12:18,445 The one who wins the game is the bloke who lives the longest. 197 00:12:18,545 --> 00:12:20,645 The graveyards are full of rich crims 198 00:12:20,745 --> 00:12:22,925 but these cokers can be knocked off every day of the week 199 00:12:23,025 --> 00:12:25,865 and they get knocked off by blokes like me. 200 00:12:26,865 --> 00:12:31,685 To "Chopper", it was a parallel universe but he had no qualms 201 00:12:31,785 --> 00:12:34,445 about giving us a front row seat. 202 00:12:34,545 --> 00:12:37,684 You're watching a snakepit and you're seeing 203 00:12:37,784 --> 00:12:40,344 one snake kill and eat the other snakes. 204 00:12:42,424 --> 00:12:44,004 You sit... What do you think to yourself? 205 00:12:44,104 --> 00:12:46,624 Are you angry at the snake that's winning? 206 00:12:47,944 --> 00:12:52,684 I am in a world that's got nothing to do with you, right? 207 00:12:52,784 --> 00:12:56,324 The only people I hurt are people that you couldn't care about anyway. 208 00:12:56,424 --> 00:12:58,044 Sounds like you're just offering excuses 209 00:12:58,144 --> 00:13:00,004 for some fairly heinous crimes. 210 00:13:00,104 --> 00:13:03,404 I am offering excuses, bloody good excuse though isn't it, eh? 211 00:13:03,504 --> 00:13:05,444 'Cause let's face it, you don't give a shit what I do. 212 00:13:05,544 --> 00:13:08,164 I've never really felt too sorry about it. 213 00:13:08,264 --> 00:13:13,404 With perhaps a glint of honesty, perhaps a crack in the facade. 214 00:13:13,504 --> 00:13:16,224 A tiny breach in the bravado. 215 00:13:17,784 --> 00:13:20,324 There's a few things we all regret in our life 216 00:13:20,424 --> 00:13:22,684 but generally speaking I regret nothing. 217 00:13:22,784 --> 00:13:24,844 I didn't grow up wanting to be in the criminal world, 218 00:13:24,944 --> 00:13:26,044 my mother brought me up to be 219 00:13:26,144 --> 00:13:27,544 a strict Seventh Day Adventist until I was 15. 220 00:13:27,624 --> 00:13:30,324 Religion can drive you mad. 221 00:13:30,424 --> 00:13:34,324 This reflection came at a time when he might have found 222 00:13:34,424 --> 00:13:37,184 a little righteousness in his life.... 223 00:13:39,104 --> 00:13:41,364 ..but then this man came along. 224 00:13:41,464 --> 00:13:45,764 Sid Collins, Chief of the Outlaws biker gang. 225 00:13:45,864 --> 00:13:48,644 "Chopper"'s finger was back on the trigger. 226 00:13:48,744 --> 00:13:50,684 How would it end? 227 00:13:50,784 --> 00:13:53,624 Bang. Find out next. 228 00:14:24,184 --> 00:14:27,663 The only people I hurt are people that you couldn't care about anyway. 229 00:14:28,663 --> 00:14:31,123 For Mark "Chopper" Read, that way of thinking 230 00:14:31,223 --> 00:14:33,563 had been his licence to shoot. 231 00:14:33,663 --> 00:14:39,003 But he had spent a long time in prison and as he walked to freedom 232 00:14:39,103 --> 00:14:42,703 he pledged he was quitting his life of violence... 233 00:14:44,583 --> 00:14:48,003 a resolve that lasted just a matter of months. 234 00:14:48,103 --> 00:14:50,423 Old habits die hard. 235 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:55,763 Because he was the National President of Outlaws Motor Club 236 00:14:55,863 --> 00:14:59,003 I was supposed to donate $8000 to his bloody wedding. 237 00:14:59,103 --> 00:15:02,243 So all the people that were coming to the wedding, 238 00:15:02,343 --> 00:15:04,563 the main people, had to bring eight grand. 239 00:15:04,663 --> 00:15:06,963 I'm not giving him eight grand for his bloody wedding, 240 00:15:07,063 --> 00:15:09,143 I don't even know how to ride a motorbike. 241 00:15:10,623 --> 00:15:12,323 With his bloody bike, 242 00:15:12,423 --> 00:15:14,403 he's gonna invite me to their bloody wedding, 243 00:15:14,503 --> 00:15:16,803 and you've got to bring bloody large amounts of money. 244 00:15:16,903 --> 00:15:18,203 Stick it up your bum. 245 00:15:18,303 --> 00:15:20,443 And is that why you shot him? Yes. 246 00:15:20,543 --> 00:15:23,043 What more do need? Bang. Get a bit of that into you. 247 00:15:23,143 --> 00:15:25,143 (LAUGHS) (LAUGH REPEATS) 248 00:15:26,383 --> 00:15:29,043 But it wasn't an underworld assassination. 249 00:15:29,143 --> 00:15:32,523 In "Chopper"'s eyes it was simply a warning shot 250 00:15:32,623 --> 00:15:36,683 albeit one in Collins' stomach. 251 00:15:36,783 --> 00:15:39,203 Then you had him driven to hospital. 252 00:15:39,303 --> 00:15:42,243 Well, I said, "You want one to the brain"? "No." 253 00:15:42,343 --> 00:15:45,283 I said, "You're going into the hospital, 254 00:15:45,383 --> 00:15:47,403 "you're telling people?" "No." 255 00:15:47,503 --> 00:15:51,843 "You're not telling people." "Yes." "Won't give me up?" "No." 256 00:15:51,943 --> 00:15:53,043 "Alright, good. 257 00:15:53,143 --> 00:15:55,123 "So we can take you to hospital and you remain silent." 258 00:15:55,223 --> 00:15:56,243 "Yes." 259 00:15:56,343 --> 00:15:57,843 "Word on that?" "Yes." 260 00:15:57,943 --> 00:15:59,943 "I believe you. Rightio, take him to hospital." 261 00:16:00,903 --> 00:16:03,403 But Sid didn't stay silent. 262 00:16:03,503 --> 00:16:05,323 "Chopper" was found guilty. 263 00:16:05,423 --> 00:16:09,483 Classified, highly dangerous and sent back to jail. 264 00:16:09,583 --> 00:16:12,523 The Hobart Court heard Read used a handgun 265 00:16:12,623 --> 00:16:14,683 to shoot the former head of the Outlaws biker gang, 266 00:16:14,783 --> 00:16:17,882 Sidney Collins, as he sat in the back of his car in Evandale 267 00:16:17,982 --> 00:16:19,982 near Launceston last May. 268 00:16:20,342 --> 00:16:23,802 As it would later unfold, and as you will see later, 269 00:16:23,902 --> 00:16:27,362 Sid Collins would again haunt "Chopper". 270 00:16:27,462 --> 00:16:29,162 They had unfinished business, 271 00:16:29,262 --> 00:16:33,422 business "Chopper" would claim involved a buried body... 272 00:16:34,622 --> 00:16:37,022 ..somewhere in the country. 273 00:16:38,542 --> 00:16:42,162 First though there were long years to survive behind bars, 274 00:16:42,262 --> 00:16:45,722 time that would cost him his relationship with the one person 275 00:16:45,822 --> 00:16:48,722 who had stood by him for so long. 276 00:16:48,822 --> 00:16:51,602 I don't really believe I know the "Chopper" Read, 277 00:16:51,702 --> 00:16:53,602 I know him as Mark Read. 278 00:16:53,702 --> 00:16:59,042 I see a very gentle person and I see a lot of warmth in him 279 00:16:59,142 --> 00:17:02,862 where others may not have been able to reach him in that area. 280 00:17:04,782 --> 00:17:08,402 After Read was locked up in Tasmania's Risdon prison, 281 00:17:08,502 --> 00:17:11,082 Margaret left returning to Melbourne. 282 00:17:11,182 --> 00:17:15,522 "Chopper" was looking at potentially a lifetime behind bars. 283 00:17:15,622 --> 00:17:17,882 The jury found Read guilty. 284 00:17:17,982 --> 00:17:21,062 Now Read could remain in jail for the rest of his life. 285 00:17:23,502 --> 00:17:25,562 But while he was incarcerated 286 00:17:25,662 --> 00:17:29,002 Read would meet and marry Mary Ann Hodge, 287 00:17:29,102 --> 00:17:32,622 who would be instrumental in his bid for freedom. 288 00:17:34,542 --> 00:17:36,802 We just want to have a normal, happy life together. 289 00:17:36,902 --> 00:17:39,822 We'll just be a normal, average couple I think. 290 00:17:42,262 --> 00:17:45,922 After another half decade on the inside and not knowing 291 00:17:46,022 --> 00:17:48,202 if his enemies would come after him, 292 00:17:48,302 --> 00:17:51,002 "Chopper" went to ground after his release, 293 00:17:51,102 --> 00:17:55,622 living the quiet life for a short time on a farm in Tasmania. 294 00:17:57,182 --> 00:18:00,842 I don't want to get married and raise a brood of children 295 00:18:00,942 --> 00:18:05,622 or lead a normal life. I've got no interest in that. 296 00:18:07,382 --> 00:18:12,381 And it would be there where he would become a father for the first time. 297 00:18:16,661 --> 00:18:20,761 Suddenly the man who held other people's life so cheaply 298 00:18:20,861 --> 00:18:23,581 was starting to value his own... 299 00:18:25,701 --> 00:18:29,481 ..but that time out of the spotlight wasn't to last. 300 00:18:29,581 --> 00:18:33,281 I'll tell you what, you try getting from where you're sitting 301 00:18:33,381 --> 00:18:35,381 to the front door. 302 00:18:35,981 --> 00:18:38,681 'Cause I reckon I could shoot you from where you're sitting 303 00:18:38,781 --> 00:18:40,001 to the front door. 304 00:18:40,101 --> 00:18:42,041 If "Chopper" seemed larger-than-life, 305 00:18:42,141 --> 00:18:46,001 the movie about his career as a criminal, starring Eric Bana, 306 00:18:46,101 --> 00:18:50,161 would blow it up even further. The knuckleheads. 307 00:18:50,261 --> 00:18:52,401 I could have shot them in both kneecaps 308 00:18:52,501 --> 00:18:53,921 and finished a game of cards 309 00:18:54,021 --> 00:18:56,561 before this crew of retards got their act together. 310 00:18:56,661 --> 00:18:59,721 The film was an international success. 311 00:18:59,821 --> 00:19:03,261 Suddenly everyone wanted a piece of Read. 312 00:19:04,541 --> 00:19:09,061 For better or worse, he'd become a figure in Australia's modern culture. 313 00:19:10,541 --> 00:19:12,521 His life told on the big screen, 314 00:19:12,621 --> 00:19:17,001 his scarily mesmerising interviews on television 315 00:19:17,101 --> 00:19:19,921 and the public curiosity had brought "Chopper" 316 00:19:20,021 --> 00:19:22,621 to the peak of his dubious fame. 317 00:19:24,261 --> 00:19:27,601 Perfect timing for him to take to the stage. 318 00:19:27,701 --> 00:19:31,701 Let's give it up for Mark Brandon "Chopper" Read! 319 00:19:33,861 --> 00:19:38,801 He drew an audience that had an appetite for the seamy side of life. 320 00:19:38,901 --> 00:19:41,241 There was a bizarre edge to the evenings 321 00:19:41,341 --> 00:19:44,161 and sometimes it was downright freaky. 322 00:19:44,261 --> 00:19:46,261 Right! 323 00:19:47,861 --> 00:19:49,441 Stab wound here, two there. 324 00:19:49,541 --> 00:19:51,861 Across here, you can see them. 325 00:19:53,301 --> 00:19:54,521 Here. 326 00:19:54,621 --> 00:19:56,621 The back. 327 00:19:57,661 --> 00:20:00,360 There was an appetite, as well, for "Chopper"'s writing. 328 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:05,680 His books could make you laugh and shake your head in disbelief - 329 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:07,900 all at the same time. 330 00:20:09,540 --> 00:20:11,960 Titles like 'Road To Nowhere', 331 00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:13,440 'Hits and Memories' 332 00:20:13,540 --> 00:20:16,820 and 'How to shoot friends and influence people." 333 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:22,600 And there were also those who thought his skills could be put to use, 334 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:25,580 in a message to men who hurt women. 335 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:29,160 You will get dealt with, you will suffer. 336 00:20:29,260 --> 00:20:32,520 We will break your neck, you low, gutless, weak mice. 337 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:34,520 Be afraid because if you come to jail 338 00:20:34,620 --> 00:20:38,540 you're gonna have every bloody reason to be afraid. (CACKLES) 339 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:42,640 And there was a road safety advertisement. 340 00:20:42,740 --> 00:20:44,760 Read did it his way. 341 00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:47,400 People come down, they want to do a drink-driving commercial. 342 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:48,880 You know? What am I supposed to do, 343 00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:50,500 run around the house with a feather duster 344 00:20:50,580 --> 00:20:53,720 singing 'The Sound Of Music'? Like... 345 00:20:53,820 --> 00:20:56,480 They wanted something with a little bit of impact 346 00:20:56,580 --> 00:20:57,720 and I think they got it. 347 00:20:57,820 --> 00:21:02,200 Killers on the road were hitmen too, he growled. 348 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:03,720 You're no different than I am. 349 00:21:03,820 --> 00:21:05,480 You're the same as me. 350 00:21:05,580 --> 00:21:08,860 You're a murderer and maggot just the same as I am. 351 00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:13,220 It was classic "Chopper" logic behind his message. 352 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:16,720 Linda Lovelace is a campaigner against pornography. 353 00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:18,760 No-one's having a go at her. 354 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:22,600 But...you're asking people to take advice from a hitman? 355 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:25,360 Yeah, well, I reckon they should be well advised now and again 356 00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:28,440 to take advice from someone like me. 357 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:30,600 You know? 358 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:34,080 Whether you take advice from all sorts of people, 359 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:36,180 you can take advice from me. Might live a bit longer. 360 00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:41,240 Some were outraged at the self-confessed killer's role 361 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:43,320 but he had an answer for them. 362 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:45,940 Maybe the ad might save a life or two. 363 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:49,439 What happens if the ad does save a life or two? 364 00:21:49,539 --> 00:21:52,359 Do they say, "Oh, well..." Is that what you hope? 365 00:21:52,459 --> 00:21:53,919 I hope it does save a life or two. 366 00:21:54,019 --> 00:21:55,519 I got a little kid now. 367 00:21:55,619 --> 00:21:58,819 I don't want anyone running into my car blind drunk. 368 00:21:59,699 --> 00:22:02,199 Whoo! Ahh! 369 00:22:02,299 --> 00:22:04,879 And there lies the catalyst for the change 370 00:22:04,979 --> 00:22:06,959 that was coming over Chopper - 371 00:22:07,059 --> 00:22:11,019 his son with Mary-Ann, Charlie, was growing up fast. 372 00:22:12,019 --> 00:22:13,639 Charlie... 373 00:22:13,739 --> 00:22:15,759 What are you going to tell Charlie about Dad when he grows up? 374 00:22:15,859 --> 00:22:17,119 I don't know. (SIGHS) 375 00:22:17,219 --> 00:22:19,439 That's a tricky one. Are you worried about that? 376 00:22:19,539 --> 00:22:21,119 Yeah, I am a little bit, yeah. 377 00:22:21,219 --> 00:22:23,159 Can't really clean it up when you've got books out... 378 00:22:23,259 --> 00:22:24,399 No, no. 379 00:22:24,499 --> 00:22:26,399 ..describing the whole sort of tale, have you? 380 00:22:26,499 --> 00:22:28,719 No. I have thought of that, yeah. 381 00:22:28,819 --> 00:22:30,519 Most little boys want to emulate Dad. 382 00:22:30,619 --> 00:22:32,799 Well, maybe if I become a better person, 383 00:22:32,899 --> 00:22:34,899 try and do a few good things... 384 00:22:35,699 --> 00:22:37,679 Thoughts of redemption... 385 00:22:37,779 --> 00:22:39,779 Chopper showing remorse... 386 00:22:40,499 --> 00:22:42,859 Chopper the family man... 387 00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:45,199 Perhaps. 388 00:22:45,299 --> 00:22:47,299 But with reservations. 389 00:22:49,019 --> 00:22:54,159 If you're hoping for a profuse apology 390 00:22:54,259 --> 00:22:57,039 followed by a tearful rendition of 'Danny Boy', 391 00:22:57,139 --> 00:22:58,639 you're going to be a long time waiting, 392 00:22:58,739 --> 00:23:00,239 because I don't regret anything. 393 00:23:00,339 --> 00:23:02,759 I'm not sorry about nothing, and the things that happened years ago, 394 00:23:02,859 --> 00:23:04,439 they happened, they had to happen. 395 00:23:04,539 --> 00:23:05,799 That's the way it was. 396 00:23:05,899 --> 00:23:07,899 That's the world I was in. 397 00:23:08,859 --> 00:23:11,599 Chopper's relationship with Mary-Ann didn't last, 398 00:23:11,699 --> 00:23:13,679 and he returned to Melbourne, 399 00:23:13,779 --> 00:23:16,219 where he was reunited with Margaret. 400 00:23:17,939 --> 00:23:20,459 Margaret's everything. She means everything to me. 401 00:23:22,419 --> 00:23:24,419 She saved my life, you know. 402 00:23:25,859 --> 00:23:29,119 They married and Chopper had a second son, Roy. 403 00:23:29,219 --> 00:23:32,919 It meant those niggling questions he faced with Charlie, 404 00:23:33,019 --> 00:23:35,459 he was facing again. 405 00:23:37,979 --> 00:23:40,398 My little boy, seven-year-old little boy, he said to me, 406 00:23:40,498 --> 00:23:42,238 "How many people have you shot, Daddy?" 407 00:23:42,338 --> 00:23:44,038 I said, "Not nearly as many as people think." 408 00:23:44,138 --> 00:23:46,158 He said, "How many people have you killed?" 409 00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:48,158 I said, "Not nearly as many as people think." 410 00:23:48,258 --> 00:23:50,358 I said, "Where did you get hold of that question from?" 411 00:23:50,458 --> 00:23:52,598 And his mother had let him watch the 'Chopper' movie, 412 00:23:52,698 --> 00:23:54,698 and I thought that was a silly thing to do. 413 00:23:55,938 --> 00:23:57,678 For a man who never had regrets, 414 00:23:57,778 --> 00:24:00,538 Read was certainly having major doubts. 415 00:24:02,538 --> 00:24:04,818 Was the fame he had originally craved... 416 00:24:06,938 --> 00:24:08,938 ..helped create and cultivate... 417 00:24:11,338 --> 00:24:13,338 ..becoming a curse? 418 00:24:14,738 --> 00:24:17,678 You need a download some Chopper on your phone! 419 00:24:17,778 --> 00:24:19,678 I've become a cartoon character, I have. 420 00:24:19,778 --> 00:24:23,038 Chopper Read and Mark Brandon Read are two different people. 421 00:24:23,138 --> 00:24:26,418 Were Chopper's ghosts finally catching up with him? 422 00:24:27,498 --> 00:24:29,358 How would he react? 423 00:24:29,458 --> 00:24:31,838 All that still to come, 424 00:24:31,938 --> 00:24:37,218 plus the exclusive, never before seen footage of Mark 'Chopper' Read. 425 00:25:06,658 --> 00:25:09,278 For a man who had arguably chased fame, 426 00:25:09,378 --> 00:25:12,978 Chopper was now finding it more trouble than it was worth. 427 00:25:15,098 --> 00:25:16,878 With fame came the trappings... 428 00:25:16,978 --> 00:25:18,978 or not. 429 00:25:20,578 --> 00:25:24,078 A life of crime and a life talking about those crimes... 430 00:25:24,178 --> 00:25:27,118 So he literally kicked his arse in... 431 00:25:27,218 --> 00:25:28,278 (LAUGHTER) 432 00:25:28,378 --> 00:25:30,197 Anyway... Anyway... 433 00:25:30,297 --> 00:25:32,957 It's a comedy evening and I thought that was a funny story. 434 00:25:33,057 --> 00:25:35,057 ..suddenly wasn't paying. 435 00:25:37,337 --> 00:25:39,877 Money passed through his hands, 436 00:25:39,977 --> 00:25:42,217 but none of it seemed to stick. 437 00:25:44,057 --> 00:25:47,717 I should've been tied up, locked and kept in a cupboard 438 00:25:47,817 --> 00:25:50,737 when they were handing out credit cards. 439 00:25:52,057 --> 00:25:55,797 His stick ups, his stand-over tactics with drug dealers, 440 00:25:55,897 --> 00:25:58,457 then getting paid to talk about it all... 441 00:26:00,097 --> 00:26:04,377 But for a guy with street smarts, he was not very sharp with cash. 442 00:26:06,177 --> 00:26:10,317 And he thought plastic was fantastic, almost magic. 443 00:26:10,417 --> 00:26:15,597 I wasn't prepared to be given an American Express card. 444 00:26:15,697 --> 00:26:20,557 I should've been tied up, locked, kept in a cupboard 445 00:26:20,657 --> 00:26:23,797 when they were handing out credit cards. 446 00:26:23,897 --> 00:26:26,317 I should not have been allowed anywhere near a credit card. 447 00:26:26,417 --> 00:26:28,277 I thought they was just manna from heaven. 448 00:26:28,377 --> 00:26:30,237 I thought, "Credit card? 449 00:26:30,337 --> 00:26:32,317 "Oh, money, money, money! 450 00:26:32,417 --> 00:26:34,417 "Free money!" 451 00:26:35,697 --> 00:26:40,557 He racked up astounding bills and soon found himself bankrupt. 452 00:26:40,657 --> 00:26:44,557 Bitterness was also building about those who were stealing 453 00:26:44,657 --> 00:26:48,997 his mystique and cashing in on the legend of Chopper, 454 00:26:49,097 --> 00:26:53,177 which he was perhaps also starting to regret. 455 00:26:54,337 --> 00:26:58,357 Everyone I seemed to come into contact with had a good idea 456 00:26:58,457 --> 00:27:00,917 for how to help me make money, 457 00:27:01,017 --> 00:27:03,917 and they seem to have made money out of it 458 00:27:04,017 --> 00:27:06,477 and I haven't made money out of it. 459 00:27:06,577 --> 00:27:11,217 The rip-off king felt he was now being ripped off. 460 00:27:12,017 --> 00:27:14,277 Chopper Read's become a cartoon character, 461 00:27:14,377 --> 00:27:17,397 and Chopper Read and Mark Brandon Read are two different people. 462 00:27:17,497 --> 00:27:19,517 I don't know what Chopper Read's doing at the moment, 463 00:27:19,617 --> 00:27:21,876 but he's having a much better time than Mark Brandon Read's doing. 464 00:27:21,976 --> 00:27:25,036 Anger at the blockbuster movie's portrayal of him 465 00:27:25,136 --> 00:27:27,296 and Margaret was also growing. 466 00:27:28,616 --> 00:27:31,996 Was he trying to finally start setting the record straight? 467 00:27:32,096 --> 00:27:35,956 I was never quite the psychopathic, murdering madman 468 00:27:36,056 --> 00:27:38,316 that they had me down as being, 469 00:27:38,416 --> 00:27:41,296 and Margaret wasn't a prostitute or a junkie. 470 00:27:42,776 --> 00:27:45,796 More legal dramas followed, but, by Chopper's standards, 471 00:27:45,896 --> 00:27:48,116 they were minor - 472 00:27:48,216 --> 00:27:50,896 careless driving, a familiar court appearance. 473 00:27:52,176 --> 00:27:54,176 But there was one thing missing... 474 00:27:54,976 --> 00:27:57,136 ..Read's usual swagger. 475 00:27:58,576 --> 00:28:01,756 Courtrooms always put me to sleep. 476 00:28:01,856 --> 00:28:03,196 Ah, rubbish. 477 00:28:03,296 --> 00:28:06,276 I bumped into some car and that's it, you know, rubbish. 478 00:28:06,376 --> 00:28:08,556 One of the more less eventful... 479 00:28:08,656 --> 00:28:10,756 Waste of time even taking me to court. 480 00:28:10,856 --> 00:28:13,256 Rubbish. See you later. 481 00:28:17,056 --> 00:28:20,476 If anyone was going to give some insight into the real Chopper, 482 00:28:20,576 --> 00:28:22,696 it was Chopper himself... 483 00:28:24,456 --> 00:28:28,676 ..through an unexpected medium - his paintings. 484 00:28:28,776 --> 00:28:31,076 Hi, Mark. Good to see you again, mate. 485 00:28:31,176 --> 00:28:33,196 How you going? We've come to pick out our painting. 486 00:28:33,296 --> 00:28:37,756 They were big, bright, and brawny, 487 00:28:37,856 --> 00:28:40,036 like Chopper himself. 488 00:28:40,136 --> 00:28:42,516 Here we go, the first one. Yeah, this is the first one. 489 00:28:42,616 --> 00:28:44,396 Oh, the Collingwood boxer, awesome. 490 00:28:44,496 --> 00:28:46,356 Sweet. That's terrific. 491 00:28:46,456 --> 00:28:49,516 Yeah. Signed on the back, no less. 492 00:28:49,616 --> 00:28:54,716 And is it any surprise Ned Kelly was one of his subjects? 493 00:28:54,816 --> 00:28:58,796 Other artists might have sold their works through an art dealer 494 00:28:58,896 --> 00:29:00,896 or a gallery. 495 00:29:03,096 --> 00:29:05,756 Chopper used a mate who owned a pawn shop. 496 00:29:05,856 --> 00:29:10,235 Honest Frank Deany, an honest trader. 497 00:29:10,335 --> 00:29:13,595 Painting was a deeply valued escape for a man who had spent 498 00:29:13,695 --> 00:29:17,215 so much of his life behind bars. 499 00:29:18,895 --> 00:29:22,455 And those prison bars were now way in the past. 500 00:29:23,855 --> 00:29:26,875 Chopper had been Mark Read, the painter, husband, 501 00:29:26,975 --> 00:29:30,215 father and mate for a number of years now. 502 00:29:31,935 --> 00:29:34,515 And if anything was going to show this, 503 00:29:34,615 --> 00:29:38,715 it's these shaky, rough and ready videos from a friend's camera 504 00:29:38,815 --> 00:29:41,935 that have never been seen before. 505 00:29:44,615 --> 00:29:46,315 They're intimate, unscripted... 506 00:29:46,415 --> 00:29:50,275 Picturesque car, surroundings with rolling hills... 507 00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:51,715 ..moments among mates... 508 00:29:51,815 --> 00:29:53,815 (LAUGHS) 509 00:29:54,255 --> 00:29:58,075 ..at home... Hello, how are you? 510 00:29:58,175 --> 00:30:00,115 ..on the road... 511 00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:02,675 Supposed to see some wild hillbillies 512 00:30:02,775 --> 00:30:04,635 and something out of 'Deliverance'. 513 00:30:04,735 --> 00:30:06,515 This is quite lovely. 514 00:30:06,615 --> 00:30:08,435 ..and having a laugh... 515 00:30:08,535 --> 00:30:10,315 Having trouble, as usual. 516 00:30:10,415 --> 00:30:14,155 You can tell Chopper's been on a farm recently, can't you? 517 00:30:14,255 --> 00:30:17,215 Can't even open the bloody gate. 518 00:30:18,375 --> 00:30:23,475 ..even holding guns and shooting at targets on a farm. 519 00:30:23,575 --> 00:30:25,575 (BANG) 520 00:30:26,615 --> 00:30:30,315 The threatening Chopper is nowhere to be seen. 521 00:30:30,415 --> 00:30:33,755 It's simply Mark from Melbourne with his mates... 522 00:30:33,855 --> 00:30:36,395 That is Blondie. 523 00:30:36,495 --> 00:30:39,075 You can see why they call him Blondie, can't you? 524 00:30:39,175 --> 00:30:42,795 ..suffering the same everyday problems we all do, 525 00:30:42,895 --> 00:30:44,755 like car trouble. 526 00:30:44,855 --> 00:30:46,755 Now let's tell the truth, Mr Read. 527 00:30:46,855 --> 00:30:48,795 What's happened here tonight? 528 00:30:48,895 --> 00:30:53,395 Brownie's bad driving has seen us yet again with the guts ridden out 529 00:30:53,495 --> 00:30:56,315 from underneath the car and a flat tyre on the back. 530 00:30:56,415 --> 00:31:00,674 With his life now filled with relative normality, 531 00:31:00,774 --> 00:31:04,554 Chopper would look back on his years in prison 532 00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:06,394 with strange sentiment. 533 00:31:06,494 --> 00:31:08,974 He might have come out of Pentridge Jail... 534 00:31:10,934 --> 00:31:14,694 ..but he couldn't seem to get Pentridge Jail out of his system. 535 00:31:17,894 --> 00:31:21,314 Well, back home, Mark, home away from home. 536 00:31:21,414 --> 00:31:23,754 There's B Division there. 537 00:31:23,854 --> 00:31:28,434 That's where I got stabbed through the heart with an ice pick. 538 00:31:28,534 --> 00:31:30,674 7.5 inch screwdriver through the heart here. 539 00:31:30,774 --> 00:31:32,594 And they took me to hospital. 540 00:31:32,694 --> 00:31:36,114 The doctor who cut my ears off, Professor O'Brien, 541 00:31:36,214 --> 00:31:38,634 pulled the ice pick out like that and they just stitched me up, 542 00:31:38,734 --> 00:31:41,234 two stitches, and took me back in the same yellow cab 543 00:31:41,334 --> 00:31:43,634 they took me to hospital with in the first place. 544 00:31:43,734 --> 00:31:48,154 Prison - it almost felt that was where he was happiest, 545 00:31:48,254 --> 00:31:52,534 telling tales from a time when he ruled H Division. 546 00:31:53,774 --> 00:31:57,314 That's Jimmy - Jimmy - Jimmy Quinn's window there. 547 00:31:57,414 --> 00:32:00,834 That's the first window with the iron bars. 548 00:32:00,934 --> 00:32:02,394 He used to sit there. 549 00:32:02,494 --> 00:32:04,634 He used to sit there with his feet up against the window, 550 00:32:04,734 --> 00:32:06,734 throwing stones at people. 551 00:32:09,014 --> 00:32:11,914 It's hard to believe you spent something like 23.5 years 552 00:32:12,014 --> 00:32:13,474 in places like this. 553 00:32:13,574 --> 00:32:15,354 7.5 years in a place like this 554 00:32:15,454 --> 00:32:18,514 and five years down at Risdon Prison, Tasmania. 555 00:32:18,614 --> 00:32:20,434 My enemy didn't even like being in jail. 556 00:32:20,534 --> 00:32:21,674 I loved it. 557 00:32:21,774 --> 00:32:24,874 My enemy didn't like being in H Division. I loved it. 558 00:32:24,974 --> 00:32:28,074 My enemy didn't like having to get up every Monday morning 559 00:32:28,174 --> 00:32:31,634 and watch for a low-flying pocket knives or low-flying hammers 560 00:32:31,734 --> 00:32:34,194 and whether they're going to get an attack that day, 561 00:32:34,294 --> 00:32:36,594 and who did I have to attack that day to survive. 562 00:32:36,694 --> 00:32:38,794 I loved it, right? Did you really love it? 563 00:32:38,894 --> 00:32:41,754 Well, I loved the cut and thrust 564 00:32:41,854 --> 00:32:45,894 of all this sort of stuff going on in jail. 565 00:32:47,174 --> 00:32:50,354 However, the flipside of those so-called happy memories 566 00:32:50,454 --> 00:32:52,573 was never far below the surface. 567 00:32:54,693 --> 00:32:56,513 As he started batting ill health, 568 00:32:56,613 --> 00:32:59,413 Chopper was certainly re-evaluating his life. 569 00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:05,273 But he couldn't resist dredging up a name from the past - 570 00:33:05,373 --> 00:33:09,933 Sid Collins, and a new, startling story. 571 00:33:11,253 --> 00:33:15,653 That and more incredible confessions coming up next. 572 00:33:34,853 --> 00:33:37,993 So you make and enemy in jail, it seems to go on forever and a day. 573 00:33:38,093 --> 00:33:40,433 You never get rid of it. 574 00:33:40,533 --> 00:33:42,573 Enemies that last for a lifetime. 575 00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:47,553 The life and crimes of Mark 'Chopper' Read reek 576 00:33:47,653 --> 00:33:49,653 of bloodshed and brutality. 577 00:33:51,173 --> 00:33:54,153 There has long been a hypnotic fascination about him... 578 00:33:54,253 --> 00:33:56,033 (APPLAUSE) 579 00:33:56,133 --> 00:33:59,513 ..fed to a great extent by his self-claimed crimes, 580 00:33:59,613 --> 00:34:02,633 and lack of remorse. 581 00:34:02,733 --> 00:34:05,513 How would you explain Chopper Read to a stranger, 582 00:34:05,613 --> 00:34:09,933 someone who didn't know the legend of his outlaw life? 583 00:34:13,613 --> 00:34:16,113 Detectives, judges and wardens 584 00:34:16,213 --> 00:34:19,733 all at one stage or another tagged him dangerous. 585 00:34:21,973 --> 00:34:24,113 And his victims must have known 586 00:34:24,213 --> 00:34:27,253 they were in the hands of a man with little mercy. 587 00:34:28,373 --> 00:34:30,633 I'm just the bloke who killed him. 588 00:34:30,733 --> 00:34:33,133 I don't know why and I couldn't care less. 589 00:34:35,253 --> 00:34:39,473 Behind Chopper's brutally frank confessions, it's hard to know 590 00:34:39,573 --> 00:34:43,612 whether he ever comprehended the brutality of his actions. 591 00:34:44,932 --> 00:34:48,512 He seemed outside the normal parameters of morality 592 00:34:48,612 --> 00:34:51,252 and behaviour most of us live within. 593 00:34:53,012 --> 00:34:56,132 Torture and murder barely seemed to bother him. 594 00:34:58,012 --> 00:35:02,332 Chopper was in some ways a prisoner of his own myth and legend. 595 00:35:07,012 --> 00:35:11,012 Mark 'Chopper' Read never believed for a minute he would die in bed. 596 00:35:13,092 --> 00:35:15,712 I never used to think about getting old in the past, no. 597 00:35:15,812 --> 00:35:17,912 I wouldn't think further than tomorrow. 598 00:35:18,012 --> 00:35:21,492 Convinced I would die with a gun in my hand in some sort of shootout. 599 00:35:22,572 --> 00:35:25,032 I was always hoping I'd die with a gun in my hand. 600 00:35:25,132 --> 00:35:27,552 I didn't want to get shot without carrying a gun. 601 00:35:27,652 --> 00:35:29,652 I didn't want to get shot unarmed. 602 00:35:30,852 --> 00:35:33,552 Now it looks like I'll probably die 603 00:35:33,652 --> 00:35:37,332 of being killed by an outraged wife, you know? 604 00:35:38,692 --> 00:35:42,772 Chopper thought his health, at least, was bulletproof. 605 00:35:44,012 --> 00:35:46,152 I've got a 1.5 good and bad cholesterol. 606 00:35:46,252 --> 00:35:48,672 I've got 1.5. 1.5 cholesterol reading. 607 00:35:48,772 --> 00:35:51,072 That's amazing, isn't it? And I do nothing. 608 00:35:51,172 --> 00:35:54,752 I do no physical exercise. I don't drink, but I smoke. 609 00:35:54,852 --> 00:35:57,832 I smoke like a chimney. I eat fatty foods and sugar. 610 00:35:57,932 --> 00:35:59,352 I drink... You know. 611 00:35:59,452 --> 00:36:01,752 They give me an angiogram not long ago 612 00:36:01,852 --> 00:36:03,952 and he said I had the heart of a 19-year-old. 613 00:36:04,052 --> 00:36:06,152 He said, "I'm always willing to put into writing 614 00:36:06,252 --> 00:36:08,252 "that you'll never die of a heart attack." 615 00:36:09,692 --> 00:36:14,772 But suddenly death in bed was more and more likely. 616 00:36:16,452 --> 00:36:20,052 He battled hepatitis C, and was then diagnosed with liver cancer. 617 00:36:22,012 --> 00:36:23,752 That is the tumour. Look at that. 618 00:36:23,852 --> 00:36:25,872 That is a pretty big tumour, isn't it? 619 00:36:25,972 --> 00:36:27,972 Look at the size of the bastard. 620 00:36:28,972 --> 00:36:33,171 In those final days, old faces were coming back to Chopper. 621 00:36:35,371 --> 00:36:39,591 One was Sid Collins, the bikie chief Chopper shot, 622 00:36:39,691 --> 00:36:43,211 then, incredibly, had driven to hospital. 623 00:36:45,251 --> 00:36:48,551 Sid had broken the criminal code by going to police. 624 00:36:48,651 --> 00:36:51,851 For Chopper, it was unforgivable. 625 00:36:53,291 --> 00:36:55,071 You can't go dobbing people in. 626 00:36:55,171 --> 00:36:57,951 You can't go giving people up just for a minor shooting. 627 00:36:58,051 --> 00:37:00,271 Shot him in the guts and took him to hospital. 628 00:37:00,371 --> 00:37:02,371 It was a petty offence. 629 00:37:03,131 --> 00:37:07,671 Ten years later, Chopper said he settled the score with Sid. 630 00:37:07,771 --> 00:37:11,631 We were in a casino, New South Wales, doing a talk night. 631 00:37:11,731 --> 00:37:14,551 A talk night, me and Jacko doing a talk night! 632 00:37:14,651 --> 00:37:17,351 Who do you think comes up to me after the talk night 633 00:37:17,451 --> 00:37:20,091 and wants me to sign a piece of memorabilia? 634 00:37:23,891 --> 00:37:25,311 "Hello." 635 00:37:25,411 --> 00:37:28,611 "Hello, Chopper, you sign this?" 636 00:37:30,811 --> 00:37:33,211 I can't believe it. "What are you doing here?" 637 00:37:34,371 --> 00:37:36,691 "Oh, bygones are bygones. You sign this?" 638 00:37:38,931 --> 00:37:41,191 "No, I'm not signing anything with you. 639 00:37:41,291 --> 00:37:43,731 "I'm not signing anything." 640 00:37:46,171 --> 00:37:48,811 I can't even believe it, you know? 641 00:37:50,811 --> 00:37:54,191 "I'll see you backstage, eh, come and talk to us backstage?" 642 00:37:54,291 --> 00:37:55,951 He was there. 643 00:37:56,051 --> 00:37:57,551 Couldn't believe it. 644 00:37:57,651 --> 00:37:59,511 Man, idiot! 645 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:02,411 Completely insane. Off his head on cocaine. 646 00:38:04,971 --> 00:38:08,931 Chopper gave a frank account of what he did with the body. 647 00:38:09,931 --> 00:38:12,031 Went and stuck him in a hole 648 00:38:12,131 --> 00:38:15,351 and then filled the hole in, as one does. 649 00:38:15,451 --> 00:38:18,211 Whereabouts was that? Casino, New South Wales. 650 00:38:19,571 --> 00:38:22,271 Can you be more specific? Casino, New South Wales. 651 00:38:22,371 --> 00:38:23,950 I'm not going to go and dig it up for you. 652 00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:25,830 I couldn't dig it up for you myself. 653 00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:28,430 I would forget. 654 00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:29,990 It was somewhere near a layby 655 00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:32,550 on the other side of a big mound of bloody dirt. 656 00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:34,650 That's all I remember. 657 00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:38,430 The line between truth and fiction with Chopper Read 658 00:38:38,530 --> 00:38:40,530 often seemed blurred. 659 00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:46,230 There are other versions of what happened to Sid - 660 00:38:46,330 --> 00:38:51,050 that he ran away, left the country, or was already dead and buried... 661 00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:55,890 ..and Chopper Read had nothing to do with it. 662 00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:59,550 New admissions followed, 663 00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:03,250 including one about the death of a waterfront worker. 664 00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:06,950 What was your involvement in his murder? 665 00:39:07,050 --> 00:39:09,050 I'm just the bloke who killed him. 666 00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:11,590 Do you even remember why he had to die? 667 00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:13,970 No, I can't really tell you why. 668 00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:19,390 I don't know why, I don't know why, and, as I said to you now, 669 00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:21,490 I couldn't care less. 670 00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:25,470 Chopper also claimed he pulled off the killing of a child murderer 671 00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:27,570 while in prison. 672 00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:31,510 Me and Mad Charlie walked into his cell 673 00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:33,790 and Charlie's belted him to the ground, 674 00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:35,790 and I've jumped up on his bunk 675 00:39:35,890 --> 00:39:39,230 and jumped on his head, from his bunk onto his head, 676 00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:42,310 from his bunk onto his head, from his bunk onto his head, right? 677 00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:45,150 And then I've gone from the bunk and I've slipped down off the head 678 00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:48,710 and hit the chest, from the bunk into the chest, bang, bang. 679 00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:50,070 And... 680 00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:52,910 he wasn't dead. 681 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:55,010 He was sort of like... 682 00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:58,350 And so I've taken his shoelaces off him, 683 00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:59,910 tied his hands behind his back, 684 00:40:00,010 --> 00:40:02,390 and then I've taken the sheets off him, 685 00:40:02,490 --> 00:40:04,030 wrapped the sheets around his neck, 686 00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:07,230 lifted him up with Mad Charlie, got the sheets around his neck 687 00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:11,150 and I've tied the sheet up over the top railing of the obso gate... 688 00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:13,949 pushed him down, and I've gone out of the cell 689 00:40:14,049 --> 00:40:17,309 and I've closed the cell door. There was no one that saw us. 690 00:40:17,409 --> 00:40:19,109 We were pretty quick in here. 691 00:40:19,209 --> 00:40:23,149 And anyway, 7:00 that morning, they've opened his cell door 692 00:40:23,249 --> 00:40:25,729 and found out that he had committed suicide. 693 00:40:28,649 --> 00:40:31,709 But were these the honest dying confessions 694 00:40:31,809 --> 00:40:34,249 of a callous and hardened killer... 695 00:40:35,649 --> 00:40:38,149 ..or the final performance from a criminal 696 00:40:38,249 --> 00:40:42,729 still playing a role, putting on an act? 697 00:40:44,169 --> 00:40:46,189 Don't question me about my bloody well words. 698 00:40:46,289 --> 00:40:48,349 I'm telling the truth now. And he's gone. 699 00:40:48,449 --> 00:40:51,769 Why are you laughing? Down he goes. 700 00:40:53,049 --> 00:40:55,049 Stick it up your bum! 701 00:40:59,689 --> 00:41:04,289 Mark 'Chopper' Read departed this life in October, 2013... 702 00:41:06,209 --> 00:41:09,349 ..farewelled with a modest funeral. 703 00:41:09,449 --> 00:41:12,809 (MUSIC PLAYS) 704 00:41:14,129 --> 00:41:16,989 There are people that are glad that he's passed away, 705 00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:19,209 people who feel some sense of relief. 706 00:41:21,369 --> 00:41:22,909 (BANG) 707 00:41:23,009 --> 00:41:27,269 He left behind far more questions than he ever answered... 708 00:41:27,369 --> 00:41:29,429 I've put off about 19 people. 709 00:41:29,529 --> 00:41:32,069 Four, that's it. I haven't killed any more than that. 710 00:41:32,169 --> 00:41:34,029 Don't try to make out that I have. 711 00:41:34,129 --> 00:41:36,709 ..a debated and disputed legacy... 712 00:41:36,809 --> 00:41:40,549 The only people I hurt are people that you couldn't care about anyway. 713 00:41:40,649 --> 00:41:43,349 You're a murderer and a maggot, just the same as I am. 714 00:41:43,449 --> 00:41:45,309 ..notorious criminal... 715 00:41:45,409 --> 00:41:46,949 They happened, they had to happen. 716 00:41:47,049 --> 00:41:48,709 Bang, get a bit of that into you. 717 00:41:48,809 --> 00:41:50,809 I regret nothing. 718 00:41:51,529 --> 00:41:53,529 ..or great pretender? 719 00:41:54,929 --> 00:41:57,989 I said he literally kicked his arse Ian. 720 00:41:58,089 --> 00:42:00,389 Most likely something in between. 66085

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