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I cut my ears off and
I was considered quite normal.
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I don't want to get married
and raise a brood of children
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or lead a normal life.
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Personally, or in company,
I put off about 19 people.
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Je ne regrette rien.
I regret nothing.
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They happened, they had to happen.
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I was never quite the psychopathic
murdering madman
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they had me down as being.
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I have.
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"Chopper" Read has been
my cartoon character.
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I'm telling the truth now.
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Mark Brandon, "Chopper" Read.
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you know the name,
you know the face but do you
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truly know who he was?
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A psychopath, a murderer, a conman.
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Was he all, some or none?
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And it could go some of the way
to perhaps explaining why
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a violent criminal became and remains
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to this day a national fascination.
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Please give it up for
Mark Brandon "Chopper" Read!
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Best-selling books,
a blockbuster movie,
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sold out speaking tours followed
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but where and how did
the "Chopper" circus begin?
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Mark Brandon Read was born in
Melbourne on 17 November 1954.
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His mother was a deeply religious
Seventh-day Adventist,
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his father a former soldier.
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Read's youth was spent in and
out of children's homes,
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foster care
and even psychiatric hospitals.
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By his late teens, he had begun
his true descent into crime...
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..learning how to become
a stand over man,
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on the streets and inside prison...
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..as he served time
for assault and robbery.
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But it would be for a brazen,
audacious,
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or according to some stupid,
Australia Day crime in 1978
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Read would be sent down
for a long stretch,
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as he tried to kidnap
County Court Judge Bill Martin
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in an attempt to get
a mate freed from jail.
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He just casually walked
up to the judge
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and all of a sudden
he just walked up,
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wrapped his left arm round the judge
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and pulled the gun
from underneath his jacket
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and held it at the judge's head.
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I attacked Judge Martin in the
County Court on January 26, 1978.
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I was trying to get my mate out
of jail, where they were at.
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But I was apprehended
and brought to Pentridge
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and they gave me 17 and half years
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for my trouble and it has been going
on ever since -
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trouble, trouble, trouble.
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And it would be from
within prison,
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no less than Pentridge's
infamous 'H' division...
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..where "Chopper" truly began
his rise to notoriety.
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One of the most violent
and most feared prisoners
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in the Victorian prison system...
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Notorious 'H' Division prisoner...
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Mark "Chopper" Read.
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Inside jail Read's legend grew,
as stories emerged during
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a vicious fight
for control among inmates,
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and Chopper's ability to tell a tale
only added to his growing mystique.
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What would motivate you to get
involved in that gang war?
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I did not like the faces of the
people, of the opposition.
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When I arrived in 'B' Division
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they seemed to have everything
under control,
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they were making all the home brews
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and getting all the dope in
and organising everything
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and run around the place
like kingpins.
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And so I thought I would
rectify the situation
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and we had some home-made axes
made up down the engineer's shop.
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And there was me and
a couple of friends.
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I made them wear overcoats
and we had axes up our sleeves
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and we went around
and dealt with the situation.
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And it would be Read
and his feared overcoat gang
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who would come out on top,
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but along the way his list
of enemies had exploded.
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"Chopper" was forced
to take drastic action
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in an attempt to get away from them
and out of 'H' division...
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..describing the act which he
arguably remains best known for,
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getting another prisoner
to remove his ears
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in horrific but compelling detail.
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Cutting like a piece of bread,
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just cutting through
and the blood spurting out,
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and he got that one off
and then he proceeded to be sick.
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The blood was spurting out and
I put my hands over my ears
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and it sounded like I was listening
to trickles of water.
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I heard all these trickles of water,
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it was trickles of blood
coming out through my hands.
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I just can't seem
to do anything right,
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everything I say do they say
that's faithfully sane.
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I cut my ears off and I was
considered quite normal.
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Quite normal.
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Normal.
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Normal or not it didn't work.
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"Chopper" stayed in maximum security
and it caught up with him.
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He was eventually cornered,
stabbed by members of his own gang.
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He lost part of his intestine
but he survived.
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How do you think the other
prisoners would see you?
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They hate my guts, I'm as popular
as a porkchop in synagogue.
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Even in the darkest of places talking
about the darkest of subjects,
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Read could spin it into a joke
and it was perhaps here
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where he began to sow the seeds for
a persona he would come to promote -
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an Aussie Robin Hood who only
terrorised criminals,
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the nation's underbelly.
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There's nothing for me in the
future, there's no great...
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I'm not motivated by money,
I don't want to get married
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and raise a brood of children
or lead a normal life.
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I've got no interest in that.
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I'm stuck with what I've got.
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After the better part
of a decade behind bars,
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Read was eventually released but soon
found himself under arrest again...
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..after Melbourne drug dealer
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"Sammy The Turk" Ozerkam
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was gunned down outside
a St Kilda nightclub in 1987.
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He'd been shot in the left eye
from less than a metre away.
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Someone with a .410 shot gun.
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Lying face up on the concrete.
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Read didn't deny shooting
Ozerkam but at the time
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claimed it was all in self-defence,
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describing what happened with
chilling composure here to police.
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It's like, "Show me your gun,
show me your gun, show me your gun."
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Crazy, man.
And what did you do?
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I reached behind here.
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(GUN NOISES)
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So you have...
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I had my shot here,
at the end of that here.
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A jury believed his story and Read
was acquitted of manslaughter.
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He didn't remain free
for long, though,
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returning to Pentridge
once again for shooting
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a second drug dealer and burning down
the house of another.
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He would be behind bars
for two more years.
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After his release
from prison in 1991,
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he left Melbourne and
his perceived enemies behind,
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heading for the hills in Tasmania,
vowing to go straight,
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but would it be a promise
he could keep?
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I like Tasmania,
it's a really very nice place.
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If people want to come looking
for me it's one-way traffic.
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We'll tell you, soon.
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Lead a normal life,
I've got no interest in that.
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I'm stuck with what I've got.
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There's nothing for me
in the future.
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But the future was here...
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..and Mark "Chopper" Read was free
after years
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in one of the toughest prisons
in Australia.
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Read had amassed plenty of enemies
in and outside of jail.
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So less than a week after
his release in 1991,
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Read and his partner Margaret Cassar
left Melbourne for greener
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and supposedly safer pastures
in Tasmania.
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I like Tasmania, it's a very nice
place. It's a lovely place.
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Apart from that if people want
to come looking for me
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it's one-way traffic,
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They come down here,
it's a hard state to get out of.
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They just cannot jump on a train,
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the planes only leave
a couple of times a day.
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If people want to get me,
they come down here...
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..they're virtually trapped.
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I've never really thought
about anyone coming after him
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but there are hundreds out there
he's not very popular with,
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but I'm not afraid of it.
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I'm afraid of losing him, yes,
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but I just don't think about that.
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It was here Read decided
to write his first book,
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a confessional or an embellishment.
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Whatever it was, it was a bestseller
and it gave ordinary Australians
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a rare glimpse into
a murky and violent world.
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The criminal world is controlled
by blood and guts,
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it always has been controlled
by blood and guts,
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it always will be controlled
by blood and guts.
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When you say blood and guts,
what do you mean?
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People with the greatest capacity
to inflict violence,
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murder and mayhem on others.
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Bloodthirsty stories
but told with a lot of flair
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and perhaps a lot
of dramatic licence.
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Personally, or in company,
I've put off about 19 people.
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You've killed 19 people?
Hmm.
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So how do you feel about that?
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They'll all criminals, they're all
big enough and man enough
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to look after themselves.
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It's the world they lived in,
it's the game they decided to play.
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They got beaten at their own game.
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Je ne regrette rien.
I regret nothing.
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The "Chopper"'s style had arrived...
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Like a blowtorch.
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The smell of burning
flesh in the air. (LAUGHS)
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..somehow attempting to make
a tale of torture tolerable.
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To make whoever it was
we had more cooperative.
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It never failed?
No, you can say once. Once.
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What happened then?
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We shot him in the head.
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'Cause he wouldn't
part with the cash?
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He was the toughest bastard
we ever come across.
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He was a Scotsman, come from
New South Wales and all he did,
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we did everything to him.
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He just abused us
and spat his own blood at us.
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"Chopper" and the crooks and killers
he mixed with and targeted
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lived by the dark code
of Australia's underworld.
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Tough and obscene to the rest of us,
"Chopper" had his own interpretation
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that to him seemed perfectly normal.
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The one who wins the game is the
bloke who lives the longest.
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The graveyards are
full of rich crims
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but these cokers can be knocked
off every day of the week
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and they get knocked off
by blokes like me.
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To "Chopper", it was a parallel
universe but he had no qualms
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about giving us a front row seat.
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You're watching a snakepit
and you're seeing
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one snake kill
and eat the other snakes.
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You sit...
What do you think to yourself?
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Are you angry at the snake
that's winning?
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I am in a world that's
got nothing to do with you, right?
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The only people I hurt are people
that you couldn't care about anyway.
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Sounds like you're
just offering excuses
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for some fairly heinous crimes.
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I am offering excuses, bloody good
excuse though isn't it, eh?
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'Cause let's face it,
you don't give a shit what I do.
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I've never really felt
too sorry about it.
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With perhaps a glint of honesty,
perhaps a crack in the facade.
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A tiny breach in the bravado.
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There's a few things
we all regret in our life
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but generally speaking
I regret nothing.
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I didn't grow up wanting
to be in the criminal world,
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my mother brought me up to be
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a strict Seventh Day Adventist
until I was 15.
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Religion can drive you mad.
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This reflection came at a time
when he might have found
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a little righteousness in his
life....
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..but then this man came along.
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Sid Collins,
Chief of the Outlaws biker gang.
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"Chopper"'s finger
was back on the trigger.
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How would it end?
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Bang.
Find out next.
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The only people I hurt are people
that you couldn't care about anyway.
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For Mark "Chopper" Read,
that way of thinking
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had been his licence to shoot.
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But he had spent a long time in
prison and as he walked to freedom
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he pledged he was quitting
his life of violence...
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a resolve that lasted
just a matter of months.
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Old habits die hard.
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Because he was the National
President of Outlaws Motor Club
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I was supposed to donate $8000
to his bloody wedding.
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So all the people that
were coming to the wedding,
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the main people,
had to bring eight grand.
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I'm not giving him eight grand
for his bloody wedding,
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I don't even know how
to ride a motorbike.
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With his bloody bike,
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he's gonna invite me
to their bloody wedding,
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and you've got to bring bloody
large amounts of money.
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Stick it up your bum.
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And is that why you shot him?
Yes.
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What more do need? Bang.
Get a bit of that into you.
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(LAUGHS)
(LAUGH REPEATS)
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But it wasn't an underworld
assassination.
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In "Chopper"'s eyes it was
simply a warning shot
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albeit one in Collins' stomach.
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Then you had him driven to hospital.
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Well, I said, "You want one
to the brain"? "No."
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I said, "You're going
into the hospital,
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"you're telling people?"
"No."
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"You're not telling people." "Yes."
"Won't give me up?" "No."
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"Alright, good.
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