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When a serious crime is committed
and the police need all the help
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they can get, there's one group
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of people they turn to time after
time, the expert witnesses...
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Knowing when someone's done
something is one thing, but proving
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it's completely different.
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We need that last piece
of the jigsaw.
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..an extraordinary army of men
and women with the expertise
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to reveal the hidden clues
criminals have left behind.
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It might be a fingerprint, footwear
mark, cell site analysis,
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that can come up with that golden
ticket to put that investigation
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on a different path.
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Using the very latest techniques...
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Several months or even years
later, evidence can remain
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and still be recovered.
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..this is the inside story
of how science helped solve some
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of the UK's most complex cases.
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The forensics in this case showed
us what did happen, not
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what could have happened,
what did happen.
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You've been in a scene, it's
virtually impossible to clean
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everything up. Something is going
to be there.
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If we're looking in the right
place, we'll find it.
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Without the unseen heroes
painstakingly going through forensic
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bits, I might not have got justice
for my daughter.
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This is the story of the expert
witness.
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In this programme, an expert witness
examines a muddy crime scene
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to determine how a body got there.
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He was standing up, straight up,
and he was just bent at the waist.
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That in itself is interesting.
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And when police investigate a number
of complaints against a young man...
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My gut instinct did say
that there was something
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up with him, something wrong.
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But, unfortunately, I ignored my gut
instinct and lived to regret that.
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..a virologist is brought in to
reveal if the suspect was guilty.
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Where you have a transmission,
you can see a resemblance
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between the strains infecting
the two parties,
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and it was really that type
of linkage that would substantiate
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the allegations that were made.
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Expert witnesses help investigations
by seeing the clues the rest
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of us can't.
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When the body of an elderly
farmer was found in a river,
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it wasn't clear to detectives
whether it was a case
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of suicide or murder.
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But a bio archaeologist was able
to detect and decipher evidence left
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at the crime scene.
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Forensic bio archaeology can help
criminal investigation
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by interpreting the crime scene.
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Sometimes the environment can give
as much evidence as the body
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itself, sometimes more.
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June 2018, Gosmore in Hertfordshire.
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69-year-old farmer Bill Taylor
is reported missing from his home
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by his family.
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Reporting on the case
for the national newspapers
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at the time was Thomas Hornell.
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Gosmore is a small hamlet and most
of the farmland there was actually
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owned by the Taylors.
There was hundreds of acres.
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Dozens of police ended up showing
up and combing through every blade
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of grass on Bill's farmland,
searching for him.
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So this was a really big police
presence for a normally sleepy town.
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Due to the sheer scale
and complexity of the search,
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the Hertfordshire Police Major Crime
Unit were called in to organise
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the hunt for Bill.
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This was certainly the largest
search that I've ever been involved
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in and coordinated.
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While search teams combed
the countryside,
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Detective Chief Inspector
Carl Foster turned to Bill's
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family and friends.
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They revealed his personal
life was complicated...
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..estranged from his second wife,
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Angela, and with his family at war.
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Whilst Bill and Angela
were separated,
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they weren't yet divorced.
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Angela wanted to get divorced.
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Bill was effectively digging
his heels in and saying,
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"No, I don't want to do that."
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Both Bill and Angela had children
from previous marriages
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and they had three children
together.
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And in particular, Bill's son
from his first marriage did not get
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on with Angela and her side
of the family at all.
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In fact, they completely
loathed each other.
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Bill was kind of stuck in the middle
because Bill, obviously, loved both
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sides of the family.
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He had children and grandchildren
in both sides of the family,
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and he was stuck between a rock
and a hard place.
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Although police had no body
with which to reveal a definitive
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cause of death, they began
to suspect foul play
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from within the feuding family.
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The police were suspicious of Angela
because she didn't seem that moved
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or distressed by Bill's
disappearance, and detectives also
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overheard her talking about him
in the past tense.
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However, detectives could not
identify an obvious motive for why
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Angela would have wanted
her husband dead.
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There was already a post-nuptial
agreement in place between Bill
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and Angela, where they'd already
agreed on the allocation of property
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and land worth anything
from £150 million
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to £200 million.
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The title deeds had already
been moved over to Angela as part
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of that agreement, so that
effectively, for me, said,
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Well, there can't be a financial
motive here, then.
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But one discovery left detectives
convinced someone in Bill's circle
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held a serious grudge against him.
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One of the issues that concerned us
is the fact that his vehicle
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have been subject to an arson attack
the week prior to him going missing.
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It had been attended by officers
and a scene of crime officer.
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The towel, the shirt and the fuel
can that were found
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in the Land Rover didn't
belong to Bill.
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We sent all of those off
for forensic examination
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to establish whether there was
any forensic evidence
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that would assist us.
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Detectives continued
their investigations, this time
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into Angela's personal life,
and identified someone
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who raised their suspicions.
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The police began to look at a man
named Paul Cannon, who was a
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digger driver who had done some work
on Bill's farm
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and was around a lot
at Angela's place.
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So they really began
to look at those two,
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suspecting a relationship.
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Angela admitted she was
having an affair with Paul Cannon,
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and when lab results returned
from the items in the burnt-out
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Land Rover, they showed traces
of Cannon's DNA -
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significant, but not
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enough to prove he was responsible
for Bill's disappearance.
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What the forensic evidence against
Paul Cannon did was obviously
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elevate our concerns around what was
going on between him and Bill,
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potentially Angela,
and that whole family dynamic.
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But on its own, does it explain
what has then happened to Bill
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a week later? No, it doesn't.
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Nonetheless, Hertfordshire Police
declared the case a murder inquiry.
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Without a body, they didn't have
enough evidence to charge either
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Angela Taylor or Paul Cannon of any
wrongdoing, but their investigation
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was far from over.
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We became aware that Paul Cannon
had been employed at two quarry
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sites, both within the county
of Hertfordshire.
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Whilst the two
sites had been shut down,
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if Bill has been murdered,
could his body
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have been secreted in either
one of those quarries?
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Any disused quarry is a hazardous
environment.
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These two were huge.
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Concerned about the risk
to police search teams.
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Carl turned to bio archaeologist
Jennifer Miller for advice.
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I've a lot of experience with
searching landfill for missing
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persons and recovery of bodies
buried within landfill,
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so I was asked to advise
what the logistics
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would be for recovery of anything
from this sort of environment.
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We walked over the quarries,
and they're both over an acre.
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There's between 20 and 30m-high
mounds of industrial waste.
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And it's very, very unstable,
very, very dangerous -
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potential for collapse.
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And it would have taken months,
if not years, to search it all.
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And without substantiated evidence
to say that he was in there,
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then it's not worth doing.
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DCI Carl Foster took Jenny's advice
and decided against excavating
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the quarry.
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Searching for more concrete evidence
that Bill was murdered,
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he examined mobile phones belonging
to Paul Cannon and Angela Taylor.
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They contained 28,000 text messages
sent between the pair in the four
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months before Bill's disappearance.
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The contents were shocking.
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So this is just a small extract
from the thousands of messages
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between Paul Cannon
and Angela Taylor.
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It starts with Paul Cannon,
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"Got to get him out of the picture
very soon, darling."
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And she replies, "I don't know how
to sort it. Someone else, maybe."
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And Paul Cannon replies
to the effect,
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"I only know one man for that,
and I haven't spoken to him
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"in a long time, but I'll try."
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The following day,
the 17th of February,
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"You phone that bloke, can't keep
going on like this."
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And Cannon replies, "I'm good,
darling. Just spoke to man.
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"Going to be about 20."
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To which she replies, "I'll go
halves with you."
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Messages closer to the time
of Bill's disappearance
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were even more chilling.
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26th of May was the night
Bill's Land Rover was subject
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to the arson attack.
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And you've got a conversation
here where Paul says, "Have to go
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"to Dog Kennel, get something."
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And Dog Kennel is the name of one
of the farms that Angela owned.
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Angela replies, "What you got
to get?"
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And then Paul Cannon replies,
"Darling, you light my fire."
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But both Paul Cannon and Angela
Taylor refused to make any comments
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on the significance of these text
messages.
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No comment.
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Cos neither of you have said
it to each other ever before.
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No comment.
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Bill was last seen alive
around 9.30, by his grandson.
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And then, some two hours later,
Paul Cannon sends a message
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to Angela Taylor saying,
"Just watching Kill Bill 2,
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"laugh out loud," which is pretty
sinister when you know
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the timeline and the sequence
of events
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and then you read that message.
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The message is also contained
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violent sexual fantasies
centred around punishing Bill.
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But, tellingly, they all stopped
the day Bill disappeared.
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The recovery of these messages
was a huge leap forward
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in the investigation.
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I would describe those messages
as a black-and-white transcript
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of a conspiracy to murder Bill.
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Angela Taylor and Paul Cannon
were both charged with murder.
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But Bill's body was yet to be found.
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The case against the pair
was far from watertight.
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We were preparing for a no-body
trial.
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The defence would exploit
that and suggest that he's
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potentially taken himself off.
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He might have a girlfriend
somewhere. He's done, he's had
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enough, and he's walked out
of his life.
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Then, in February 2019, eight months
after Bill Taylor disappeared,
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a chance discovery gave detectives
a massive breakthrough.
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Bill's remains were found
by a fisherman who wanted to get
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the perfect spot, so he'd actually
gone onto private land owned
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by Angela and discovered the remains
of Bill Taylor by the river bank.
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The body offered detectives
an entirely new set of clues,
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which could reveal for the first
time how Bill Taylor died.
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We knew we were going to need
to demonstrate that Bill hadn't gone
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there to take his own life,
and he hadn't gone there
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and been victim of some form
of medical episode or accident.
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DCI Carl Foster needed a thorough
forensic analysis of the body
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and the river bank where
it was found.
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So he turned again to expert
witness Jennifer Miller.
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My remit was primarily to recover
the body and interpret events
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at the scene,
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so how the body had got
into the river, as best as possible.
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The mud was just short of
a metre-deep.
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All you could see was a head
just at the banking, and the back,
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which was covered in algae
and there was nothing else visible.
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So it was face-down in the mud.
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The first thing to do is try
to understand how the body is lying,
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so the disposition of the remains,
as it's called.
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And we were able to identify quite
quickly that although he was lying
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face-down, he was actually standing
up and he was just bent
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at the waist, so that in itself is
interesting.
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It's an unusual way to be in.
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This unusual position made Jennifer
doubt that Bill had become stuck
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in the deep mud on his own.
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The positioning of the body was such
that both feet were facing the bank.
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It would be very difficult to walk
in backwards through that thick mud
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without losing your balance
and falling backwards
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rather than forwards, and perhaps
that's the key point.
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As you lift your leg to go forwards,
you're more likely to overbalance
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backwards than you are forwards.
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It's more suggestive of being laid
there, being put over somebody's
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shoulder and with the feet facing
forwards and deposited.
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What's more, Jennifer concluded
Bill may well have already been dead
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by the time he was placed
in the river.
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I think it's unlikely that he was
put in there alive and effectively
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kicking because he didn't kick,
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the feet were together,
the knees were together,
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his thighs were together,
he was bolt upright.
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And it's very unlikely,
in my opinion, that he was conscious
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when this happened.
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Under Jennifer's supervision, Bill's
body was carefully recovered
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from the mud and sent for
postmortem. That revealed injuries
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to his neck consistent with
strangulation.
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The case against Angela Taylor
and Paul Cannon was now as strong
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as it could be.
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Their trial began in September 2019,
and Jennifer's evidence was crucial.
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At the trial, the defence were quite
robust in their questioning.
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They insisted that he had
potentially walked in and asked me
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to say if this was possible,
and I did explain to them
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that having never taken a body
into the mire, I don't know,
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but I'm quite convinced
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in my own opinion that had he walked
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into the mire,
then the disposition
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of the remains would have been very
different.
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Jen was really important
around the interpretation
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of that deposition site,
her evidence was absolutely solid,
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and, yeah, couldn't ask for more,
really.
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They talked of torturing him in text
messages, discussed the cost
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of hiring a hit man,
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and today they were found guilty of
his murder.
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A jury has decided that wealthy
farmer Bill Taylor was killed
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by his wife and her lover
for refusing her a divorce.
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REPORTER: Duplicitous and
calculating and plainly besotted,
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that was the judge's assessment
today of lovers Angela Taylor
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and Paul Cannon as they were each
sentenced to 21 years in prison
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for the murder of William Taylor.
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What a pointless, pointless
exercise.
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The old-fashioned just removing
a love rival, but it just seemed
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so unnecessary to murder
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an old man who is causing them
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no problem whatsoever.
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Yeah, a real shame.
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However unusual the crime, there's
a science that can help solve it.
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In this next case, dozens of victims
and a national manhunt led police
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to the suspect in a one-of-a-kind
criminal investigation.
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But in order to secure a conviction,
police needed the expertise
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of a virologist, an expert
in viruses.
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My main interest has been
in the field of the evolution
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of viruses, how they change
over time.
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And I think that's obviously
something that we're all very aware
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of with the Covid pandemic.
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Edinburgh 2015, where a shocking
crime is unfolding, one
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that will span the UK, affect
dozens of gay men and end
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in a dramatic national manhunt.
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It started with one man,
26-year-old Daryll Rowe,
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and one of his victims,
Stuart Rodger.
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I came across Daryll Rowe
through an app called Grindr,
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which is a sort of dating hook-up
app, a bit akin to Tinder.
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I agreed to meet with Daryll,
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and during that encounter
he appeared
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to tamper or sabotage the condom
which I had insisted on being used.
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And at the time I just wrote it off
as me over-worrying about something.
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I kind of felt quite grotty
after the encounter with Daryll,
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and, you know, the truth
was there was a very dark
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atmosphere around him,
which was unmistakable.
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My gut instinct did say
that there was something up with him
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and that there was something wrong.
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But, unfortunately, I ignored my gut
instinct and lived to regret that.
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Stuart's instinct that something
was wrong was confirmed within days
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when he received a string
of sinister text messages from Rowe.
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About eight days later
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after the encounter, he sent me
a series of abusive messages
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revealing to me that he had indeed
sabotaged the condom,
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along with a series of other
insults and taunts.
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I felt an enormous sense of alarm
and disturbance when I got
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those messages, and I knew that
because he'd sabotaged a condom,
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I was at risk of contracting
something,
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so I arranged am HIV test
as soon as I possibly could.
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A couple of weeks after that,
I got the phone call
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from the clinic asking me to come
in that day and telling me
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that I was HIV-positive,
and I knew it was definitely him.
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I did contact the police, I think,
within about a week of my diagnosis.
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You know, I was determined
to get justice and I gave a full
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statement about what had happened,
told them
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that this man had violated my
consent and showed them
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the screengrabs of the messages
that he had sent me.
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Police Scotland moved to arrest
Daryll Rowe, but he had fled.
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Detectives searched for him
and were astonished when he turned
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up 500 miles away in Brighton.
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Here, he was deliberately infecting
more men with HIV.
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BBC journalist Carol Erskine
reported on the case.
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In Brighton, another one of his
victims had found out
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he had tested positive for HIV.
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He had gone to a clinic to be
tested, and while he was there,
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he had shown text messages that
Daryll Rowe had sent him,
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these terrible, horrible messages
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that he had sent him, to staff
at the clinic.
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And they then realised
that they had seen other men
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in the clinic who'd had similar
messages.
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Police now suspected they were
dealing with a serial offender
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who had left behind 14 victims
in Edinburgh
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and now eight new victims
in Brighton.
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Sussex Police caught up with
Daryll Rowe and he was arrested
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on a charge of GBH.
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But Rowe denied all the charges,
and under questioning, he claimed
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he was not even HIV-positive.
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Do you have HIV? No.
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Have you had a HIV test recently?
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Erm, not recently.
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I had a relationship when I first
got here and it was unprotected,
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so I've not been tested after that.
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OK. So what you're saying is a
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couple of months ago you had
a relationship, had unprotected sex.
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When I first got here, I was dating
somebody pretty quickly,
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and it got quite intense.
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Daryll Rowe was bailed in Brighton
to return to his foster
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parents in Scotland.
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It was after three weeks of living
with them that he went on the run
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and was missing.
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Detectives were convinced
Rowe would offend again.
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They shared his image with the media
and a national manhunt
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swung into action.
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Police found his tent in the
Pentland Hills and they were able
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to identify it as being his because
it had his medication inside.
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But for months there was no sign
of Rowe until one man saw Rowe's
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image and had a chilling
realisation.
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He was living in Newcastle
with a man who believed
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he was in a relationship
with him and had no idea
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of his previous history.
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Rowe had changed his name
and bank details, but continued
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with his prolific crime
spree, infecting even
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more victims with HIV.
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The nationwide manhunt to find him
uncovered further victims,
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and he was actually discovered
on a dating website when police
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were able to compare pictures
of his genitalia and discover
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that this is the man
that they were looking for.
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After a joint operation
by Northumbria, Scotland
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and Sussex police forces,
Rowe was finally arrested
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in North Tyneside.
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But he claimed that his accusers
could have caught HIV from anyone.
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Detectives needed to prove
that the infection could only
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have come from Rowe.
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So they turned to an expert witness,
Peter Simmonds,
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Professor of Virology
at the University of Oxford.
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We were provided with blood samples
from Rowe and several alleged
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victims of him.
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We separated white cells
from those. Within the white cells,
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there'll be copies of HIV,
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often very low numbers.
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But we will then amplify
those up to an extent, which means
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we can then directly determine
their genetic sequence and analyse
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them for linkage.
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HIV evolves very quickly.
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So it's not just one strain,
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there are literally hundreds
of thousands of different strains.
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Where you have a transmission
of HIV,
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then you can see a resemblance
between the strains infecting
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the two parties.
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And it was really that type
of linkage that we're looking
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for to substantiate the allegations
that were made.
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We conduct what we call phylogenetic
analysis that will show
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whether these strains cluster
together
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or whether they're unrelated
to each other.
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Well, if we find a strong clustering
of strains and in fact, in this case
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we did, what this shows,
effectively,
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is they share a similar or common
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strain of HIV, and that would
generally be acquired
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through transmission between them.
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Having concluded a strain
of HIV was common among Rowe
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and his victims,
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Professor Simmonds now had to
recheck his results
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and run the analysis a second time.
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We were provided with a second set
of samples, and the idea of
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that was to show
that we reproducibly got the same
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strains from the individuals in a
different set of samples.
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That was actually what the defence
expert would demand
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that we provide as evidence.
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In 2018, Daryll Rowe was tried
at courts in both
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England and Scotland.
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He was charged with causing grievous
bodily harm with intent
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to infect HIV.
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He became the first man
in the country to be found guilty
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of intentionally trying
to spread the virus.
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When we were in court, I saw him
in the flesh for the first time
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since the incident,
and that was very nerve-racking.
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It was kind of a vindication
to see him,
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to kind of see him kind of
cut down to size,
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and he was a much more belittled
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and humble figure sitting there
in the dock.
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I went to court and had to testify
to the judge and jury.
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Finding such a strong cluster
in such a large number of people
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was actually key to the certainty
that Rowe was involved in this,
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and I think the genetic evidence
was very well understood by the jury
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and probably influenced
their decision that he was guilty.
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Rowe was sentenced to 12 years
in England, and in Scotland
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he was given eight years and placed
on the Sex Offenders Register.
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I felt a huge amount of relief,
most of all.
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Sadly, a lot of victims of sexual
violence don't get justice,
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and I was very lucky
in that respect.
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And actually, that's a credit
to the professionalism of everybody
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involved on the case.
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Peter Simmonds' work was crucial
in convicting Daryll
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because it helped us get to the
point where it could be proved
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beyond reasonable doubt
that it had been transmitted
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from him to me.
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Without virology findings,
the prosecution would rely
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on the fact that there was
a consistent contact history
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between Rowe and the individuals
concerned.
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So having the genetic evidence was
certainly very important in showing
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the linkage between HIV strains
within the various parties involved.
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Two very different cases there,
but both needing the extraordinary
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skills of expert witnesses to dig
beneath the surface and help
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detectives uncover the truth
and bring those responsible
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to justice.
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