Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:07,939 --> 00:00:10,284
[narrator] They were more
than 1000 miles apart.
2
00:00:10,318 --> 00:00:15,249
Yet two of America's
most notorious serial killers
had a lot in common.
3
00:00:15,284 --> 00:00:17,215
[man on TV]
The most shocking
and horrifying result
4
00:00:17,249 --> 00:00:19,491
of older men having sex
with young boys
5
00:00:19,525 --> 00:00:22,111
is the story of Dean Corll
in Houston, Texas,
6
00:00:22,146 --> 00:00:24,663
and, more recently,
John Gacy in Chicago.
7
00:00:24,698 --> 00:00:30,008
These handcuffs were
found in his residence
during the search warrant.
8
00:00:30,043 --> 00:00:34,801
Gacy later admitted that
he got the handcuff trick
from Corll,
9
00:00:34,836 --> 00:00:38,422
and he also bragged
that he got more kids
than Corll did.
10
00:00:38,456 --> 00:00:42,663
Not 28 like Corll, but 33.
11
00:00:42,698 --> 00:00:46,284
He was...a pedophilia copycat.
12
00:00:46,318 --> 00:00:49,146
[narrator] This series
investigates evidence
they were connected
13
00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:52,836
to a secret nationwide network
in the 1970s.
14
00:00:52,870 --> 00:00:55,387
They probably considered
John David Norman
15
00:00:55,422 --> 00:00:58,767
the kingpin of all
of porno operations.
16
00:00:58,801 --> 00:01:02,629
We searched the apartment
and found over 2000 file cards
17
00:01:02,663 --> 00:01:06,698
with the names of over
2000 boys, ranging in age
from 14 to 20.
18
00:01:07,249 --> 00:01:08,974
He couldn't stop.
19
00:01:09,008 --> 00:01:11,870
This was a guy that
just could not stop.
20
00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:15,353
[narrator] It was a wide
and deep hidden web
of pedophiles
21
00:01:15,387 --> 00:01:16,974
preying on young men.
22
00:01:17,008 --> 00:01:18,525
Doctors, lawyers
all the way down.
23
00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,767
Police departments.
24
00:01:19,801 --> 00:01:21,318
Some of them were
Boy Scout leaders
25
00:01:21,353 --> 00:01:23,870
in Boy Scout Troop 137.
26
00:01:23,905 --> 00:01:27,008
These people with power,
especially political power,
27
00:01:27,043 --> 00:01:28,629
they can get
a lot of things erased.
28
00:01:28,663 --> 00:01:30,974
[narrator] And in
never heard before tapes,
29
00:01:31,008 --> 00:01:33,939
the killer clown tells
a different tale of murder.
30
00:01:33,974 --> 00:01:35,111
[record playing]
31
00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:47,732
[narrator]
And two investigators race
against time to close the case
32
00:01:47,767 --> 00:01:51,698
on two of America's
most notorious serial killers.
33
00:01:51,732 --> 00:01:54,491
We know that time is not
necessarily on our side.
34
00:01:54,525 --> 00:01:58,732
As long as I'm here,
I will not stop until
I can't work it any longer.
35
00:02:14,284 --> 00:02:17,939
[man] Sitting on death row,
John Wayne Gacy
has been hugely successful
36
00:02:17,974 --> 00:02:21,525
with his artwork,
cashing in on his notoriety
as a serial killer.
37
00:02:23,318 --> 00:02:26,318
Gacy's crude paintings
are on exhibit
around the country.
38
00:02:26,353 --> 00:02:31,043
Elvis, Jesus, the seven
dwarves, and a self portrait
has "Pogo the Clown".
39
00:02:31,077 --> 00:02:34,870
Collectors have paid him
more than $100,000.
40
00:02:34,905 --> 00:02:36,939
[narrator] Since his
conviction in 1980,
41
00:02:36,974 --> 00:02:40,215
the killer clown has been
appealing his death sentence,
42
00:02:40,249 --> 00:02:44,077
using the money
from his artwork
to pay his legal bills,
43
00:02:44,111 --> 00:02:47,525
and basking in his notoriety
as a serial killer.
44
00:02:59,870 --> 00:03:00,870
[siren wailing]
45
00:03:06,146 --> 00:03:10,698
[Skip] The reason
we're sometimes
drawn to serial killers
46
00:03:10,732 --> 00:03:15,905
is not because of their
victims, but because of
the serial killers themselves.
47
00:03:15,939 --> 00:03:18,870
Here is the personification
of evil.
48
00:03:18,905 --> 00:03:21,146
And we want to sort
of read about that.
49
00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:23,939
We want to explore it.
We want to see what
that looks like.
50
00:03:49,905 --> 00:03:53,974
[narrator] In 1989,
Randy White began talking
to John Wayne Gacy
51
00:03:54,008 --> 00:03:56,043
while he sat on death row.
52
00:03:56,077 --> 00:04:00,180
Randy, a Canadian
who calls himself
an amateur researcher,
53
00:04:00,215 --> 00:04:04,767
says it started with a book
a friend suggested he read.
54
00:04:04,801 --> 00:04:09,456
[Randy] It was Buried Dreams,
and he told me about
this book and about Gacy.
55
00:04:09,491 --> 00:04:13,594
and he told me, well,
uh, you know,
he killed all these kids.
56
00:04:13,629 --> 00:04:16,353
And I saw it's interesting,
and you could write to him,
57
00:04:16,387 --> 00:04:18,767
there was his prison number
on the back of the book.
58
00:04:19,594 --> 00:04:22,732
You know, I read the book
and
59
00:04:22,767 --> 00:04:26,767
I thought it was just...
It was curiosity...sake...
60
00:04:28,043 --> 00:04:30,008
...to write to him.
61
00:04:30,043 --> 00:04:33,008
[narrator] White
is not a journalist
or an investigator,
62
00:04:33,043 --> 00:04:36,180
but he was fascinated
with Gacy and the case.
63
00:04:36,215 --> 00:04:37,836
Some people just are.
64
00:04:38,525 --> 00:04:39,870
He was a smooth talker.
65
00:04:39,905 --> 00:04:41,939
It was a very charming...
66
00:04:41,974 --> 00:04:47,249
Um, you know,
you wouldn't dream
that he was a killer.
67
00:04:47,284 --> 00:04:51,180
[narrator] It started
with a letter and then
became phone calls.
68
00:04:51,215 --> 00:04:55,560
At first, it was mostly
about his family,
about his...his paintings
69
00:04:55,594 --> 00:04:57,043
that we talked about.
70
00:04:57,077 --> 00:05:00,905
[narrator] Until now,
these calls have never
been made public,
71
00:05:36,387 --> 00:05:40,249
[Randy] Eventually, he said,
you know, like all the books
you read about me,
72
00:05:40,284 --> 00:05:42,146
it's all trash garbage.
73
00:05:59,491 --> 00:06:01,836
[narrator] The more Randy
looks into news articles
74
00:06:01,870 --> 00:06:05,491
and the books written
about the case,
the more he wonders.
75
00:06:05,525 --> 00:06:08,180
Is there something
to what Gacy is telling him?
76
00:06:21,215 --> 00:06:23,525
I knew that he killed.
77
00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,180
But maybe he wasn't involved
in all these murders.
78
00:06:28,215 --> 00:06:33,836
Others could have been
involved with him
or did it on their own.
79
00:06:33,870 --> 00:06:36,836
[narrator] It's a far stretch
from back in 1978,
80
00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:40,836
where Gacy confessed
to the police to murdering
more than 30 boys.
81
00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:45,318
He even drew them
a sketch of where
the bodies were buried.
82
00:06:45,353 --> 00:06:48,387
Yet Gacey was desperate
to fight off
his death sentence.
83
00:06:48,422 --> 00:06:51,870
So Randy begins digging up
what he can about the victims
84
00:06:51,905 --> 00:06:54,284
and some of the men
who worked for Gacy.
85
00:07:11,939 --> 00:07:16,387
[narrator] Randy doesn't
know it at the time,
but John David Norman of Texas
86
00:07:16,422 --> 00:07:20,974
is at the center of the story
of John Wayne Gacy
and Dean Corll.
87
00:07:21,008 --> 00:07:26,767
It started with a raid
in 1973 on Norman's
apartment in Dallas.
88
00:07:26,801 --> 00:07:28,594
[telecaster] Police in Dallas
think they've uncovered
89
00:07:28,629 --> 00:07:31,422
a nationwide procurement ring
for homosexuals.
90
00:07:31,456 --> 00:07:33,974
They raided an apartment
and found hundreds of booklets
91
00:07:34,008 --> 00:07:36,043
with the names
and pictures of young men.
92
00:07:38,387 --> 00:07:42,387
[RC Nelson] I was a detective
in Dallas Police Department,
93
00:07:42,422 --> 00:07:45,767
when we busted this guy.
94
00:07:47,870 --> 00:07:50,180
And as I recall,
Norman was sitting
95
00:07:50,215 --> 00:07:52,801
at a kitchen table,
96
00:07:52,836 --> 00:07:57,629
and a couple of kids
sitting around.
97
00:07:57,663 --> 00:08:01,629
Underage teenage boys,
and on the table,
98
00:08:01,663 --> 00:08:04,284
various cards
and brochures on display.
99
00:08:05,629 --> 00:08:09,698
[RC Nelson] Norman
was recruiting teenage kids
100
00:08:09,732 --> 00:08:13,663
to go around the country
for prostitution.
101
00:08:13,698 --> 00:08:16,698
[narrator] Through
his newsletter,
The Odyssey Foundation,
102
00:08:16,732 --> 00:08:20,008
Norman disguised the scheme
as providing self help
103
00:08:20,043 --> 00:08:22,836
for young people
through travel programs.
104
00:08:22,870 --> 00:08:25,318
It was anything but that.
105
00:08:25,353 --> 00:08:28,491
[RC Nelson]
It was kids for rent.
106
00:08:28,525 --> 00:08:32,594
Christ, just...makes you sick
to think about it.
107
00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,111
[female reporter]
Police are still trying to
compile enough evidence
108
00:08:40,146 --> 00:08:42,939
to file a charge of conspiracy
to commit a felony,
109
00:08:42,974 --> 00:08:47,387
namely sodomy, against
45-year-old John Paul Norman,
110
00:08:47,422 --> 00:08:52,698
the alleged head of that
homosexual procurement
operation in Dallas.
111
00:08:52,732 --> 00:08:56,249
[RC Nelson] We interviewed
him, you know,
all he had was a nod
112
00:08:56,284 --> 00:08:59,698
or, I don't know,
or, I'm innocent.
113
00:09:00,905 --> 00:09:04,180
He didn't have
anything to say.
114
00:09:04,215 --> 00:09:08,077
[narrator] Police compile
the names of 30 juveniles
from 13 states,
115
00:09:08,111 --> 00:09:13,318
who were allegedly procured
as companions for older men
known as sponsors.
116
00:09:14,905 --> 00:09:17,836
There were over 100 cards.
117
00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:20,767
[narrator] It was a nationwide
child trafficking ring,
118
00:09:20,801 --> 00:09:25,905
discovered one week after
the Dean Corll mass murders
in Houston made headlines.
119
00:09:25,939 --> 00:09:28,870
[male reporter] So far,
24 bodies have been recovered.
120
00:09:28,905 --> 00:09:31,043
They're all teenage boys
who were tortured,
121
00:09:31,077 --> 00:09:33,663
sexually abused
and then brutally killed.
122
00:09:33,698 --> 00:09:37,387
34-year-old Dean Corll
sexually assaulted
all of the victims.
123
00:09:37,422 --> 00:09:40,491
Then they were tortured
by 17-year-old
Elmer Wayne Henley.
124
00:09:40,525 --> 00:09:42,732
Henley was charged
with four counts of murder.
125
00:09:42,767 --> 00:09:45,939
There were all these rumors
that Corll was part
of an organization
126
00:09:45,974 --> 00:09:50,043
where he was paid to send
teenage boys to California
127
00:09:50,077 --> 00:09:52,870
to be part of this
homosexual teenage ring.
128
00:09:52,905 --> 00:09:56,870
[narrator] In fact,
Elmer Wayne Henley had
said in his confession,
129
00:09:56,905 --> 00:10:01,767
that Corll said he belonged
to a group out of Dallas
that bought and sold boys.
130
00:10:02,629 --> 00:10:06,111
Now Hamleys words make sense.
131
00:10:06,146 --> 00:10:09,215
Police believe
some of the boys
killed by Dean Corll
132
00:10:09,249 --> 00:10:12,594
may have been among
those pictures.
133
00:10:12,629 --> 00:10:17,870
Today, this would be
an enormous scandal
with every name investigated.
134
00:10:17,905 --> 00:10:21,594
But in the 1970s,
only Norman was charged.
135
00:10:22,905 --> 00:10:25,801
Less than a month
after the raid,
Norman was released
136
00:10:25,836 --> 00:10:28,077
on a $7000 bond.
137
00:10:28,111 --> 00:10:33,180
There's no national
tracking system,
no sex offender registry.
138
00:10:33,215 --> 00:10:36,146
Dallas police
had to let him go.
139
00:10:36,180 --> 00:10:40,525
Unfortunately, we never
brought him to trial
140
00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,318
in Dallas,
just because he's gone.
141
00:10:45,525 --> 00:10:49,146
Gone, but not long before
he's back in business.
142
00:10:54,215 --> 00:10:56,422
Less than a month
after the Dallas bust,
143
00:10:56,456 --> 00:10:59,836
Norman changes his name
to Steven Gerwel,
144
00:10:59,870 --> 00:11:02,560
and surfaces
1000 miles north.
145
00:11:05,043 --> 00:11:08,870
[RC Nelson]
I got a call from Illinois
from a Detective Flannery.
146
00:11:08,905 --> 00:11:13,146
Norman was there,
doing the same thing
147
00:11:13,180 --> 00:11:16,111
that we had got
him for in Dallas.
148
00:11:16,594 --> 00:11:19,629
It didn't take him...
149
00:11:19,663 --> 00:11:23,939
Probably two or three days,
he was back in business
in Illinois.
150
00:11:23,974 --> 00:11:25,594
[narrator] It was true.
151
00:11:25,629 --> 00:11:29,008
Detective Sergeant,
Frank Flannery
of Homewood Police
152
00:11:29,043 --> 00:11:32,629
had received an anonymous call
from a concerned neighbor.
153
00:11:32,663 --> 00:11:35,284
[Frank] And this woman said,
Mr. Flannery,
you don't know me,
154
00:11:37,043 --> 00:11:40,249
but I'm telling you that
there is a man in
an apartment.
155
00:11:40,284 --> 00:11:45,146
He is luring young boys,
and performing sexual
acts on them.
156
00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:47,387
[narrator] The caller
identifies one of the boys,
157
00:11:47,422 --> 00:11:50,284
as 13-year-old
Kenny Hellstrom.
158
00:11:50,318 --> 00:11:51,801
[Frank] I almost fell
out of the chair.
159
00:11:51,836 --> 00:11:55,939
I knew the Hellstroms
since grade school,
this is their son.
160
00:12:01,353 --> 00:12:04,560
I called Kenny Hellstrom's
father, and I said,
"You better come in here
161
00:12:04,594 --> 00:12:07,077
and you better bring
that boy with you,"
I said he's involved
162
00:12:07,111 --> 00:12:09,870
in some very, very terrible
activities that are going on.
163
00:12:09,905 --> 00:12:12,974
[narrator]
The story Kenny Hellstrom
tells Detective Flannery
164
00:12:13,008 --> 00:12:17,353
is why parents
tell their kids,
"Beware of strangers."
165
00:12:19,077 --> 00:12:22,491
[Frank] He told me
that he had first
met this person
166
00:12:22,525 --> 00:12:26,284
in a restaurant in Homewood,
167
00:12:26,318 --> 00:12:29,146
and the man asked him
if he wanted a ride home,
168
00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:32,905
and he said, sure.
So he put him in the car and
instead of taking him home,
169
00:12:32,939 --> 00:12:36,353
he brought him to his
apartment and asked him
if he wanted some beer.
170
00:12:36,387 --> 00:12:39,043
He brought him in there
and he gave him beer.
171
00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:43,387
And that's the way
that this thing got started.
172
00:12:46,077 --> 00:12:50,043
[narrator] 13-year-old Kenny
lives down the street
from John David Norman.
173
00:12:50,077 --> 00:12:52,077
So do lots of his friends.
174
00:12:52,111 --> 00:12:56,560
Soon they're all gathering
after school to meet
the man with the free beer.
175
00:12:56,594 --> 00:12:59,836
This John David Norman
showed them
pornographic films.
176
00:12:59,870 --> 00:13:01,629
Then he would show
them pornographic films
177
00:13:01,663 --> 00:13:05,905
where it was just males
having sexual acts
with one another,
178
00:13:05,939 --> 00:13:10,732
and the boys,
they went along with it.
179
00:13:10,767 --> 00:13:15,767
He would pull the boy's
pants down and perform
oral sex on them.
180
00:13:15,801 --> 00:13:18,698
Sometimes one at a time,
sometimes five in a row.
181
00:13:18,732 --> 00:13:22,180
These are the testimonies
that we have from
the boys themselves.
182
00:13:22,215 --> 00:13:24,974
Uh, you're talking
about one evil...evil--
183
00:13:25,008 --> 00:13:28,732
I can't use that kind
of language on television.
184
00:13:28,767 --> 00:13:31,180
But, uh, I've got
a few more words
185
00:13:31,215 --> 00:13:34,043
that could describe this man
and as far as I'm concerned,
186
00:13:34,077 --> 00:13:36,801
there is a special place
in hell for that bastard.
187
00:13:36,836 --> 00:13:39,456
[narrator] When
Detective Flannery
raids the apartment,
188
00:13:39,491 --> 00:13:43,801
no one is home,
but there's plenty to see.
189
00:13:43,836 --> 00:13:47,732
[Frank] We went into
every drawer, uh,
and in an upstairs bedroom
190
00:13:47,767 --> 00:13:50,767
that was not being used,
this is where we found
the camera,
191
00:13:50,801 --> 00:13:55,732
the filming
and these index cards.
192
00:13:55,767 --> 00:13:59,180
I said to my partner,
I said, "What...
What in the world is this?"
193
00:14:01,905 --> 00:14:07,801
White three by five
index cards in file boxes.
Just like in a recipe box.
194
00:14:07,836 --> 00:14:10,939
All right, this is for tacos.
This is for corn,
beef and cabbage,
195
00:14:10,974 --> 00:14:13,043
If you're Irish like I am.
196
00:14:13,077 --> 00:14:16,111
[narrator] Norman has
started a new list of boys,
197
00:14:16,146 --> 00:14:18,767
and the men
who wanted them.
198
00:14:18,801 --> 00:14:22,939
Over 2000 names on them.
The names of children
ranging in age
199
00:14:22,974 --> 00:14:26,974
from 14 to 20, uh, from
all over the United States.
200
00:14:28,111 --> 00:14:30,111
Most of them
were from out of state.
201
00:14:30,146 --> 00:14:35,353
Dallas, Texas, San Diego,
Maryland, Connecticut,
202
00:14:35,387 --> 00:14:38,525
New York State, Florida,
all over the place.
203
00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,698
I had never seen anything
like that in my life, no.
204
00:14:41,732 --> 00:14:44,698
[narrator] John Norman
isn't just a local nuisance.
205
00:14:44,732 --> 00:14:50,180
He runs a national pedophile
ring, and the index cards
are his database.
206
00:14:50,215 --> 00:14:55,043
Everything police needed
to make their case
was on those index cards.
207
00:14:55,077 --> 00:14:59,249
We gave everything
that we had, the cards,
all the files, everything
208
00:14:59,284 --> 00:15:00,870
to the Chicago Police
Department,
209
00:15:00,905 --> 00:15:03,905
and they started their
prosecution with him as well.
210
00:15:03,939 --> 00:15:07,560
[narrator] Chicago police
would prosecute
John Norman, all right,
211
00:15:07,594 --> 00:15:09,491
but that's where it ended.
212
00:15:09,525 --> 00:15:12,043
Where those cards
were at today,
I have no idea.
213
00:15:19,905 --> 00:15:23,043
[narrator] When the police
find John David Norman,
they charged him
214
00:15:23,077 --> 00:15:25,974
with three counts
of contributing to
the sexual delinquency
215
00:15:26,008 --> 00:15:30,387
of a child, and five counts
of indecent liberties
with a child.
216
00:15:30,422 --> 00:15:37,698
He's sent to Chicago's Cook
County Jail with bail set
at $325,000.
217
00:15:37,732 --> 00:15:40,732
[Frank] I wish I was the one
to put the cuffs on him
to tell the truth.
218
00:15:40,767 --> 00:15:42,491
He was nervous.
There's no two ways about it.
219
00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:44,698
I mean, I spoke to my partner
the very next day.
220
00:15:44,732 --> 00:15:49,215
He said he was shaking
so bad he could barely
sign his his rights waiver.
221
00:15:49,249 --> 00:15:52,732
[narrator]
Detective Sergeant Flannery
turned over the index cards
222
00:15:52,767 --> 00:15:56,939
to the Chicago Police.
A detailed catalog of names,
223
00:15:56,974 --> 00:16:00,008
[Frank] Power.
People know judges.
224
00:16:00,043 --> 00:16:03,422
People know other people
in power themselves.
225
00:16:03,456 --> 00:16:06,801
People like you and I
would have been in jail
a long time ago,
226
00:16:06,836 --> 00:16:10,560
but these people, they do it
and they get away with it.
227
00:16:10,594 --> 00:16:14,111
[narrator] 13-year-old
Kenny Hellstrom was
one of Norman's victims,
228
00:16:14,146 --> 00:16:16,560
and he testified
against Norman.
229
00:16:16,594 --> 00:16:21,801
One year later, Kenny
was found stabbed to death
on his way home from work.
230
00:16:21,836 --> 00:16:24,629
Somebody stabbed him
six times in his back
231
00:16:24,663 --> 00:16:30,698
and he made his way home
and was scratching
at the door,
232
00:16:30,732 --> 00:16:33,732
and he died
in his mother's arms.
233
00:16:33,767 --> 00:16:38,801
We never did figure out
100 percent why the person
stabbed him.
234
00:16:38,836 --> 00:16:43,525
[narrator] $250
was in his pocket,
making robbery unlikely.
235
00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,767
But the police were never
able to rule out retaliation
236
00:16:46,801 --> 00:16:50,456
for his testimony
against Norman.
237
00:16:50,491 --> 00:16:54,215
In the Cook County Jail,
while awaiting trial
on his sodomy charges,
238
00:16:54,249 --> 00:16:58,146
Norman meets 22-year-old
Phillip Paske.
239
00:16:58,180 --> 00:17:02,111
Paske is awaiting trial
on attempted murder
in a robbery.
240
00:17:04,491 --> 00:17:08,525
Using the jail's
printing press,
Norman with Paske's help
241
00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,525
gets his Boys for Rent
newsletter back into print.
242
00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,629
In early 1976,
Phillip Paske was paroled
243
00:17:16,663 --> 00:17:21,180
and ran Norman's
Boys for Rent newsletter
from the outside.
244
00:17:21,215 --> 00:17:25,284
A year later,
Norman is paroled,
moves in with Paske,
245
00:17:25,318 --> 00:17:28,284
and they continue
the mail order sex business.
246
00:17:30,491 --> 00:17:36,180
One reporter is about
to blow the cover on an
underground pedophile network.
247
00:17:36,215 --> 00:17:40,698
[woman] I was a reporter
for The Chicago Tribune
in 1977.
248
00:17:41,939 --> 00:17:44,836
I think I was all
of 33 years old,
249
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:50,525
and it was my first
sort of major investigation.
250
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,111
[narrator] Michael Sneed
is one of Chicago's
most powerful journalists.
251
00:17:54,146 --> 00:17:57,629
Back then, her career
was about to take off.
252
00:17:57,663 --> 00:18:03,387
A brochure about underage
boys for rent arrives
mysteriously on her desk.
253
00:18:03,422 --> 00:18:06,525
Somebody sent me
a flyer in the mail
254
00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,732
and the flyer said,
"The Delta Project".
255
00:18:10,801 --> 00:18:15,594
And it had to do
with boy love stuff.
256
00:18:15,629 --> 00:18:17,905
We had no idea where
it was coming from.
257
00:18:20,043 --> 00:18:24,422
So I called the police
department and I asked
for the juvenile division.
258
00:18:24,456 --> 00:18:29,422
And as soon as I said
I'm curious about something
called "The Delta Project."
259
00:18:29,456 --> 00:18:31,387
Have you heard
anything about it?
260
00:18:31,422 --> 00:18:33,180
Total silence.
261
00:18:33,215 --> 00:18:36,008
The end result was,
he hung up.
262
00:18:36,043 --> 00:18:38,353
[phone disconnects]
263
00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:43,663
I went to my editor,
George Bliss, and I said,
264
00:18:43,698 --> 00:18:46,491
I don't know how much further
we can go with this.
265
00:18:46,525 --> 00:18:50,043
[narrator] Bliss is
a Pulitzer Prize winning
investigative reporter
266
00:18:50,077 --> 00:18:53,249
with an
established relationship
with the Chicago police.
267
00:18:55,111 --> 00:19:00,491
The police agreed to let Sneed
and Bliss join in their
undercover operation.
268
00:19:00,525 --> 00:19:04,836
And it was sort of
during a time
when reporters and police
269
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:06,560
worked together
a little differently.
270
00:19:06,594 --> 00:19:09,043
We really worked together.
271
00:19:12,077 --> 00:19:14,629
So every night
we were on stakeouts.
272
00:19:14,663 --> 00:19:16,870
We were in cars with cops.
273
00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:18,629
We were watching
what was going on.
274
00:19:20,836 --> 00:19:23,008
And we'd go
to the Chicken Hawk area.
275
00:19:24,422 --> 00:19:26,180
The boys
were considered chickens,
276
00:19:26,215 --> 00:19:30,456
thought chicken hawks
were considered the guys
that went after them.
277
00:19:30,491 --> 00:19:34,629
[narrator] Embedded with
the cops night after night,
for weeks and months on end,
278
00:19:34,663 --> 00:19:36,767
a dark web
of child pornography
279
00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:40,905
and prostitution emerges
on the streets of Chicago.
280
00:19:40,939 --> 00:19:45,629
[Sneed] Men were paying
underage boys
to have sex with them.
281
00:19:45,663 --> 00:19:48,560
Which was an outrage.
282
00:19:48,594 --> 00:19:52,939
Even I thought that men
were only interested
in the little girl's.
283
00:19:52,974 --> 00:19:56,939
It didn't even occur to me
that it was little boys
that they were after.
284
00:20:02,767 --> 00:20:05,594
[Sneed]
Prostitution was not unknown,
but we did not know
285
00:20:05,629 --> 00:20:08,732
that there was an area
in Chicago where
this was going on
286
00:20:08,767 --> 00:20:12,111
and that children were
involved in these things.
287
00:20:12,146 --> 00:20:14,732
[narrator] The brochure
Michael Sneed received
in the mail,
288
00:20:14,767 --> 00:20:18,663
The Delta Project,
was part of this so called
boy love world
289
00:20:18,698 --> 00:20:21,767
and went far beyond
the streets
of the windy city.
290
00:20:22,525 --> 00:20:23,974
This was the 70s.
291
00:20:24,008 --> 00:20:27,215
There was no Internet,
no social media.
292
00:20:27,249 --> 00:20:29,698
It was newsletter,
after newsletter,
293
00:20:29,732 --> 00:20:32,594
promoting pedophilia
as an unabashed lifestyle
294
00:20:32,629 --> 00:20:35,077
from coast to coast
and around the world.
295
00:20:36,732 --> 00:20:39,560
[Sneed] They would send around
these brochures.
296
00:20:39,594 --> 00:20:41,870
Somehow they went
through the mails,
297
00:20:41,905 --> 00:20:45,215
and through word of mouth,
people would know
this is what this meant.
298
00:20:46,974 --> 00:20:51,836
This periodical was just a way
of summoning you
to these places.
299
00:20:53,732 --> 00:20:56,525
It was print, it was paper.
300
00:20:58,111 --> 00:21:00,663
This was a pond of perversity.
301
00:21:01,939 --> 00:21:05,422
[narrator] And the ringleader
was headquartered in Chicago.
302
00:21:05,456 --> 00:21:07,422
[Sneed] John Norman
was the guy.
303
00:21:07,456 --> 00:21:09,077
He was the big guy.
304
00:21:09,111 --> 00:21:11,456
He was the guy
that produced all this stuff.
305
00:21:13,870 --> 00:21:17,836
His arrest record dates back
to May 20th, 1954,
306
00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:21,456
when he was arrested
for molesting a minor
in Houston.
307
00:21:21,491 --> 00:21:23,905
After that,
he was arrested in Sacramento,
308
00:21:23,939 --> 00:21:26,318
Santa Ana, Los Angeles,
Santa Monica,
309
00:21:26,353 --> 00:21:29,318
Dallas, Chicago and Homewood
310
00:21:29,353 --> 00:21:31,387
for various
sex related offenses.
311
00:21:35,698 --> 00:21:39,111
[narrator] Norman
was a big player,
but not the only one.
312
00:21:39,146 --> 00:21:42,146
Sneed discovers
child pornography
and prostitution
313
00:21:42,180 --> 00:21:44,318
operating across the country.
314
00:21:44,353 --> 00:21:48,387
It was organized, profitable,
and much of it was on film.
315
00:21:49,939 --> 00:21:53,077
[Sneed] People then
were filming children,
316
00:21:53,111 --> 00:21:55,249
and sending this film overseas
317
00:21:55,284 --> 00:21:58,077
or nationwide
for people to view.
318
00:21:59,456 --> 00:22:02,284
We were watching
what was going on every night
319
00:22:02,318 --> 00:22:05,560
trying to identify
some of these men.
320
00:22:05,594 --> 00:22:08,146
[narrator] The customers
were often the very people
321
00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:10,456
who had volunteered
to help children.
322
00:22:11,836 --> 00:22:14,111
Trafficking in those days
was done,
323
00:22:14,146 --> 00:22:17,008
I think an awful lot
through foster care.
324
00:22:19,008 --> 00:22:22,146
These children
would be taken in,
325
00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:25,008
somehow they would either
leave foster care,
326
00:22:25,043 --> 00:22:28,594
or their foster parent
would be involved
in this filth.
327
00:22:29,905 --> 00:22:33,353
[narrator]
It's a ghastly reality
Sneed sees for herself
328
00:22:33,387 --> 00:22:35,146
on her last
late night stakeout.
329
00:22:36,491 --> 00:22:40,215
[Sneed] It was
in a cheesy-sleazy motel
330
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:43,077
on Sheridan Road.
331
00:22:43,111 --> 00:22:47,456
The guy who was
the foster father
of this foster kid,
332
00:22:47,491 --> 00:22:49,698
and he was filming him,
333
00:22:49,732 --> 00:22:54,284
having sex with another boy
that was much younger.
334
00:22:56,594 --> 00:22:58,318
The guy who was
the foster father,
335
00:22:58,353 --> 00:23:00,629
I remember them
putting him on the floor.
336
00:23:01,456 --> 00:23:03,180
His hands behind his back.
337
00:23:04,318 --> 00:23:06,525
And while they were
handcuffing them,
338
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,698
one police officer threw me
his gun and said,
339
00:23:09,387 --> 00:23:11,353
"Hold it on him,
will you please?"
340
00:23:11,387 --> 00:23:12,870
I'm like,
"Are you kidding me?"
341
00:23:14,974 --> 00:23:17,525
[narrator] After months
of crisscrossing the country,
342
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,077
talking to police,
pornographers
and some of their victims,
343
00:23:21,111 --> 00:23:23,560
the Chicago Tribune
publishes the series
344
00:23:23,594 --> 00:23:27,732
exposing the pedophile ring
in America
and the story explodes.
345
00:23:29,249 --> 00:23:30,525
Here's the first one.
346
00:23:32,180 --> 00:23:36,111
[narrator]
It was a massive moment
for Sneed and for the country.
347
00:23:36,146 --> 00:23:39,284
[Sneed] I had no idea
that it would be this big.
348
00:23:39,318 --> 00:23:42,353
I knew it was gonna be
a big crime story.
349
00:23:42,387 --> 00:23:45,111
It's just unbelievable.
350
00:23:45,146 --> 00:23:48,043
[narrator] The story went
beyond Norman's operation
351
00:23:48,077 --> 00:23:50,111
to the tragedy
of missing kids,
352
00:23:50,146 --> 00:23:52,870
especially boys in the 70s.
353
00:23:52,905 --> 00:23:55,767
I remember, um,
a police officer saying to me
354
00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:58,801
after we did the child
porn series, he said,
355
00:23:58,836 --> 00:24:01,939
"So you've taken on
the one taboo. Finally."
356
00:24:01,974 --> 00:24:03,491
'Cause it's been
taboo forever.
357
00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:05,318
Nobody really wanted
to talk about it.
358
00:24:05,353 --> 00:24:07,525
Nobody really did
anything about it.
359
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,077
Because a lot of it involved
members of families.
360
00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:16,008
There were no real
child obscenity laws.
361
00:24:16,043 --> 00:24:18,456
That's why this story
became so big.
362
00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:24,491
[narrator] The series
paves the way for new laws
363
00:24:24,525 --> 00:24:26,698
protecting children
from being trafficked
364
00:24:26,732 --> 00:24:30,594
and made
creating and distributing
child pornography illegal.
365
00:24:32,146 --> 00:24:34,870
But for some,
the law came too late.
366
00:24:38,318 --> 00:24:43,008
[narrator] Since 2011,
Lieutenant Jason Moran
has been trying to identify
367
00:24:43,043 --> 00:24:46,801
the last eight victims
of John Wayne Gacy.
368
00:24:46,836 --> 00:24:48,594
I don't wanna bring
attention to the killer.
369
00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:51,008
This isn't about him.
370
00:24:52,146 --> 00:24:56,077
This is about
victims of murder.
371
00:24:57,215 --> 00:24:58,939
It's about missing persons.
372
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,180
Unidentified deceased persons.
373
00:25:04,180 --> 00:25:07,318
Families, providing answers.
374
00:25:09,215 --> 00:25:12,422
Not knowing the fate
of your missing loved one
375
00:25:12,456 --> 00:25:15,215
is worse than hearing
what happened?
376
00:25:17,974 --> 00:25:21,422
There wasn't a person
in the United States
377
00:25:21,456 --> 00:25:24,905
that didn't hear
of the Gacy serial killings.
378
00:25:24,939 --> 00:25:27,836
The media stories went on
for months and months.
379
00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:30,318
So if you had
a missing person in your life,
380
00:25:30,353 --> 00:25:31,594
a missing young man,
381
00:25:32,732 --> 00:25:35,732
you would've had to have
heard the message.
382
00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:38,905
[reporter]
When police uncovered
the bodies of 27 young men
383
00:25:38,939 --> 00:25:40,387
buried at Gacy's home,
384
00:25:40,422 --> 00:25:43,387
they assumed they'd be deluged
with phone calls.
385
00:25:43,422 --> 00:25:47,663
The parents of teenage boys
who had disappeared
the past few years would call,
386
00:25:47,698 --> 00:25:50,870
and that would help
in the identification
of the victims.
387
00:25:50,905 --> 00:25:52,180
But it hasn't happened.
388
00:25:53,939 --> 00:25:56,870
[narrator]
Former Des Plaines
detective Rafael Tovar
389
00:25:56,905 --> 00:25:59,180
was on the Gacy case
from day one.
390
00:26:00,870 --> 00:26:05,491
[Rafael] We didn't have
as much a response
as we had hoped,
391
00:26:05,525 --> 00:26:08,836
and my thought is that
392
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:14,146
1978, homosexuality
was not as acceptable.
393
00:26:16,318 --> 00:26:21,525
It was hard to get people
to come forth because
of stigma attached to it.
394
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,008
And I think some people
probably just said, you know,
I don't wanna go there.
395
00:26:26,732 --> 00:26:28,008
If he's dead, he's dead.
396
00:26:31,663 --> 00:26:35,905
[narrator] But in 2011,
when the Cook County sheriff
reopened the case,
397
00:26:35,939 --> 00:26:39,249
attitudes about
homosexuality were changing.
398
00:26:39,284 --> 00:26:42,318
The taboo of being gay
was lifting.
399
00:26:42,353 --> 00:26:45,456
[Thomas]
It was really incredible
the first couple of days.
400
00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:47,939
Tip after tip was coming in
401
00:26:47,974 --> 00:26:51,077
of people
who had always wondered
402
00:26:51,111 --> 00:26:55,974
and harbored some notion
that maybe my son, my uncle,
403
00:26:56,008 --> 00:26:59,284
my cousin, my brother
was a victim of Gacy,
404
00:26:59,318 --> 00:27:01,180
but really didn't know
what they could do about it.
405
00:27:02,525 --> 00:27:04,663
[narrator]
Thanks to DNA technology,
406
00:27:04,698 --> 00:27:07,284
two of Gacy's victims
were identified.
407
00:27:07,318 --> 00:27:08,974
Six remain nameless.
408
00:27:10,732 --> 00:27:13,008
[Willa] I called up,
and I said,
409
00:27:13,043 --> 00:27:15,732
"I'm calling in response
to the Gacy investigation
410
00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:18,974
and I think my brother
may be one of the victims."
411
00:27:21,387 --> 00:27:23,318
[narrator] For more than
half of her life,
412
00:27:23,353 --> 00:27:27,215
Dr. Willa Wertheimer wondered
what happened
to her half-brother.
413
00:27:27,249 --> 00:27:29,284
[Willa]
Is he out there somewhere?
414
00:27:29,318 --> 00:27:31,525
Incapacitated
or suffering or...
415
00:27:32,698 --> 00:27:34,905
on drugs
or living under a bridge.
416
00:27:34,939 --> 00:27:37,284
Or, you know, what happened,
and where is he,
417
00:27:37,318 --> 00:27:38,318
and is he okay?
418
00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:41,180
I wanted so much to find him.
419
00:27:42,905 --> 00:27:45,801
[narrator] Fifteen-year-old
Andy Drath of Chicago
420
00:27:45,836 --> 00:27:48,456
disappeared in late 1977.
421
00:27:49,836 --> 00:27:54,318
Andy was, um,
almost two years older than I.
422
00:27:55,663 --> 00:27:59,629
We were, you know,
always together.
423
00:27:59,663 --> 00:28:03,560
We fought sometimes
like siblings do,
but yeah, we were close
424
00:28:06,905 --> 00:28:12,456
When our mother died,
I was five and a half,
he was a little over seven.
425
00:28:12,491 --> 00:28:15,215
And I think
the whole house fell apart.
426
00:28:17,111 --> 00:28:24,111
My father, his stepfather,
he would sort of keep tabs
on the situation,
427
00:28:24,146 --> 00:28:26,767
but they didn't have
a good relationship, so...
428
00:28:30,284 --> 00:28:32,043
[sighs] I wouldn't know
how to describe it.
429
00:28:33,456 --> 00:28:36,180
When you're labeled
a bad kinda kid
430
00:28:36,215 --> 00:28:41,732
who is hyper, can't focus,
grieving,
431
00:28:41,767 --> 00:28:44,629
you know, and, um,
he couldn't find
a place to fit.
432
00:28:46,732 --> 00:28:48,939
He started leaving home
at around 10:00.
433
00:28:50,249 --> 00:28:51,905
He was very young.
434
00:28:51,939 --> 00:28:55,456
He was very traumatized,
very unhappy.
435
00:28:55,491 --> 00:28:59,732
And it just kept escalating
and getting worse.
436
00:28:59,767 --> 00:29:03,939
He'd come home,
he'd go to a special school,
he'd run away again.
437
00:29:08,318 --> 00:29:10,146
No matter
what the ups and downs,
438
00:29:10,180 --> 00:29:14,353
even when he was off the grid,
so to speak, he would call me
439
00:29:14,387 --> 00:29:16,146
and we would
catch up a little bit.
440
00:29:17,353 --> 00:29:21,801
I was about 13
and we met up
in the neighborhood
441
00:29:21,836 --> 00:29:25,146
and I noticed
his voice was changing
and getting deeper.
442
00:29:26,974 --> 00:29:28,974
And I had no idea
that would be
the last time I'd see him.
443
00:29:42,284 --> 00:29:46,456
[Jason]
Missing person Andy Drath.
444
00:29:46,491 --> 00:29:51,284
He was lean number 49,
and he was the right age.
445
00:29:51,318 --> 00:29:56,180
He was from the north side
of Chicago
where Gacy operated mainly
446
00:29:56,215 --> 00:30:00,111
He had a weak family bond.
447
00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:05,111
And was passed from placement
to placement,
448
00:30:05,146 --> 00:30:08,008
to foster parent to placement.
449
00:30:08,043 --> 00:30:13,146
For a young man,
uh, just had
a hard time in life.
450
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:14,767
He just really couldn't win.
451
00:30:16,111 --> 00:30:22,594
He further explained
that Andy's Foster parent
452
00:30:22,629 --> 00:30:26,215
would victimize him sexually.
453
00:30:26,249 --> 00:30:32,008
He would put him in videos
of him having sex
with other men.
454
00:30:32,043 --> 00:30:36,836
He would push him
out on the street
to be a prostitute.
455
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:43,939
This is a young man, white,
operating as a prostitute
on the north side of Chicago.
456
00:30:43,974 --> 00:30:45,836
There's no one
looking for this young man.
457
00:30:45,870 --> 00:30:49,077
He's a perfect victim
for John Gacy.
458
00:30:52,491 --> 00:30:55,456
[narrator] For 32 years,
Willia Wertheimer of Chicago
459
00:30:55,491 --> 00:30:59,353
wondered if her half-brother,
Andy Drath,
was a Gacy victim.
460
00:31:00,111 --> 00:31:01,594
After submitting her DNA,
461
00:31:01,629 --> 00:31:04,698
to the Cook County
Sheriff's Office,
all she could do is wait.
462
00:31:07,146 --> 00:31:10,146
[Willia] The day
Detective Moran
was ready to make
463
00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:12,560
a positive identification,
he drove out to me.
464
00:31:15,249 --> 00:31:18,422
We went over things
that we're connecting
and lining up.
465
00:31:20,732 --> 00:31:25,180
And then he sort of
drew himself up a little bit
466
00:31:25,215 --> 00:31:29,801
and -- and said quite formally,
that he regretted to inform me
467
00:31:29,836 --> 00:31:33,249
and, you know, told me.
468
00:31:33,284 --> 00:31:40,836
I would've bet a week's salary
that Andy was one of
Gacy's unidentified victims.
469
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:42,491
I was wrong.
My guess was wrong.
470
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,043
But Andy was still missing.
471
00:31:47,249 --> 00:31:50,594
So now Willia's DNA profile
gets uploaded
472
00:31:50,629 --> 00:31:53,456
into the Federal DNA Database.
473
00:31:53,491 --> 00:31:58,387
A database that we use
to identify missing persons or
unidentified deceased persons.
474
00:32:00,043 --> 00:32:03,284
[narrator] Four years later
and 2,000 miles away,
475
00:32:03,318 --> 00:32:05,284
Willia's wait comes to an end.
476
00:32:06,801 --> 00:32:08,284
[Jason] Willia's DNA profile
477
00:32:09,698 --> 00:32:14,111
was similar to an unidentified
homicide victim
from San Francisco.
478
00:32:15,146 --> 00:32:20,077
A young man
that was found murdered
479
00:32:20,111 --> 00:32:23,836
and concealed in the beach
off of the ocean.
480
00:32:25,663 --> 00:32:29,939
The genetic association
between Willia and this
unidentified murder victim,
481
00:32:29,974 --> 00:32:33,974
and the circumstances
surrounding
Andy's disappearance,
482
00:32:34,008 --> 00:32:37,249
and him traveling
to San Francisco,
we were able to say
483
00:32:37,284 --> 00:32:41,043
that that unidentified
murder victim was Andy Drath.
484
00:32:52,008 --> 00:32:56,284
He was shot
485
00:32:56,318 --> 00:33:00,560
and buried in the sand
at San Francisco Beach.
486
00:33:06,698 --> 00:33:12,318
I don't want to talk
about the specific details,
487
00:33:12,353 --> 00:33:17,732
but I could tell that
he knew it was coming.
488
00:33:17,767 --> 00:33:21,353
And he must have
surely been terrified.
489
00:33:21,387 --> 00:33:26,629
[narrator] If Andy wasn't
a Gacy victim,
then who killed him and why?
490
00:33:26,663 --> 00:33:31,801
My case really could have
stopped them,
but I had to follow up on it.
491
00:33:32,905 --> 00:33:36,974
I couldn't leave Willa
with those questions.
492
00:33:39,594 --> 00:33:41,284
Then my role kinda shifted
493
00:33:41,318 --> 00:33:43,387
to assisting
the San Francisco
Police Department
494
00:33:43,422 --> 00:33:45,387
with their open murder case.
495
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:51,043
So I began looking
for reasons why someone
496
00:33:51,077 --> 00:33:54,387
would want to kill Andy,
who seemingly hurt no one.
497
00:33:55,525 --> 00:33:57,732
[narrator] Lieutenant Moran
has stepped into a story
498
00:33:57,767 --> 00:34:01,629
uncovered when Andy
disappeared in 1977,
499
00:34:01,663 --> 00:34:07,111
that spider's web
of predators preying
on boys across America.
500
00:34:07,146 --> 00:34:12,732
And I started to look more
into Andy and learned that.
501
00:34:12,767 --> 00:34:18,043
Andy's foster parent,
the one who was
victimizing him
502
00:34:18,077 --> 00:34:23,767
by putting on
the street to commit
acts of prostitution,
503
00:34:23,801 --> 00:34:29,043
was arrested for these
crimes, eventually,
back in the late seventies,
504
00:34:29,077 --> 00:34:31,732
[narrator] The foster father
on reporter Michael Sneed's
505
00:34:31,767 --> 00:34:34,594
last stakeout in May
of 1977
506
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:39,456
was a photographer for one
of John David Norman's
newsletters, Hermes.
507
00:34:39,491 --> 00:34:44,008
And the boy in the motel
was Willa's brother
Andy Drath.
508
00:34:45,077 --> 00:34:50,629
He was a witness in a trial
against his abusers,
509
00:34:50,663 --> 00:34:55,284
a man who forced him to be
a juvenile male prostitute.
510
00:34:55,318 --> 00:34:58,180
[Jason] The prosecutor
at the time needed Andy
511
00:34:58,215 --> 00:35:02,111
to testify against
his foster parents.
512
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:08,629
It just seems from what
I found, that this criminal
prosecution
513
00:35:08,663 --> 00:35:10,008
was too much for him.
514
00:35:10,836 --> 00:35:12,318
And I started a locate
documents
515
00:35:12,353 --> 00:35:15,180
saying that he was going
to move to San Francisco.
516
00:35:15,215 --> 00:35:19,318
[narrator] But Andy couldn't
escape the web, a national
ring with tentacles
517
00:35:19,353 --> 00:35:21,456
in cities and towns
across the country.
518
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:26,043
I began to think
that perhaps Andy's killer
519
00:35:26,077 --> 00:35:29,456
may be followed him
from Chicago to San Francisco.
520
00:35:32,077 --> 00:35:35,974
[narrator] Was Andy one of
the boys on Norman's
index cards?
521
00:35:36,008 --> 00:35:39,111
And what secrets
could he have told?
522
00:35:39,146 --> 00:35:43,284
To this day, Andy Drath's
murder remains unsolved
523
00:35:45,146 --> 00:35:49,077
[Willa] For a good while,
I kept reliving what
I imagined he would feel,
524
00:35:50,698 --> 00:35:56,422
and I used to have
a fantasy of
525
00:35:58,146 --> 00:36:02,353
dying with him
so that he could look
at the face
526
00:36:02,387 --> 00:36:06,939
of someone who loved
him, instead of his killer.
527
00:36:12,698 --> 00:36:15,870
[narrator] At the Cook
County Sheriff's Office,
Lieutenant Jason Moran
528
00:36:15,905 --> 00:36:19,077
has been working tirelessly
to give the last six
529
00:36:19,111 --> 00:36:21,836
of Gacy's victims
their names back.
530
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:24,077
He has leads on two more.
531
00:36:24,111 --> 00:36:27,836
Victim number 5 and victim
number 28.
532
00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:31,767
[Jason] Victim number
28 was found buried
in the backyard
533
00:36:31,801 --> 00:36:35,249
underneath the barbecue pit,
and he still has never been
identified.
534
00:36:36,767 --> 00:36:39,146
This ring was on
the commitment finger
535
00:36:40,008 --> 00:36:42,939
of the left hand of Victim
number 28,
536
00:36:42,974 --> 00:36:46,732
The reason why this always
puzzled me was because it
appears to be like
537
00:36:46,767 --> 00:36:49,249
a wedding ring or
a promise ring,
538
00:36:50,456 --> 00:36:52,594
which means that someone
539
00:36:52,629 --> 00:36:54,008
should have been
looking for this person.
540
00:36:55,698 --> 00:37:00,422
Time is of the essence,
every month that goes by
541
00:37:00,456 --> 00:37:04,318
it's possible that we're
losing individuals
542
00:37:04,353 --> 00:37:08,525
that are related
to the victims and we need
their biological sample.
543
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,456
for testing.
544
00:37:11,008 --> 00:37:14,939
As long as there's leads
to follow, as long as
545
00:37:14,974 --> 00:37:18,974
there's people that I could
talk to about their missing
family members,
546
00:37:23,767 --> 00:37:28,111
[Reporter] The dangers
confronting runaways
are real in Houston,Texas,
547
00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:32,939
In 1973, Dean Corll
killed 27 young boys,
548
00:37:32,974 --> 00:37:34,318
many of them runaways.
549
00:37:37,318 --> 00:37:40,939
A national runaway hotline
was established to help
parents
550
00:37:40,974 --> 00:37:42,491
from all over the country
discover
551
00:37:42,525 --> 00:37:45,146
if their runaway children
were among the murdered.
552
00:37:46,801 --> 00:37:49,629
[Sharon] When you put
that final puzzle piece in,
553
00:37:49,663 --> 00:37:51,939
it's like a light comes on
and you feel like
554
00:37:51,974 --> 00:37:55,111
you've really done something
worthwhile.
555
00:37:55,146 --> 00:37:58,491
And that's why it is
so fascinating to be
a forensic anthropologist.
556
00:38:01,111 --> 00:38:05,560
[narrator] Since2006,
Dr. Sharon Derek has been
untangling the mystery
557
00:38:05,594 --> 00:38:08,387
of the last unidentified
victims of Dean Corll.
558
00:38:09,801 --> 00:38:11,870
One last boy remains.
559
00:38:11,905 --> 00:38:15,215
If she can identify him,
she can close the case
560
00:38:15,249 --> 00:38:17,525
on the candy man's reign
of terror for good.
561
00:38:27,698 --> 00:38:34,180
This is the reconstruction
of NL 73 33 56.
562
00:38:34,215 --> 00:38:40,525
It is not a picture of
the boy himself, but it
is a facial approximation
563
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,905
that using his bone
structure measurements
and some of the information
564
00:38:43,939 --> 00:38:48,767
we know about him.
ace and a CT scan,
artists put together
565
00:38:48,801 --> 00:38:51,146
what he may have
looked like.
566
00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:56,387
We had submitted
DNA samples from almost
every bone in his body.
567
00:38:56,422 --> 00:39:01,560
We did a full anthropological
analysis, came up with
a profile that says
568
00:39:01,594 --> 00:39:04,111
that he was probably fifteen
to seventeen years old.
569
00:39:04,146 --> 00:39:06,767
He was Caucasian.
570
00:39:06,801 --> 00:39:12,732
We call that European-American
or he may have had some
Hispanic.
571
00:39:12,767 --> 00:39:15,215
[narrator] Among his remains
was a pair of boots,
572
00:39:15,249 --> 00:39:18,387
a t shirt and a striped
Catalina swimsuit.
573
00:39:19,905 --> 00:39:24,594
Her best lead so far
comes from a secret
source.
574
00:39:24,629 --> 00:39:29,215
[Sharon] I think this kid
is possibly a boy
575
00:39:29,249 --> 00:39:32,870
who I have several pictures
of that were sent to me
576
00:39:32,905 --> 00:39:38,043
by on anonymous individual
who maintained that this
boy's name
577
00:39:38,077 --> 00:39:39,525
is Bobby French.
578
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,698
And that he was killed
right after the pictures
were taken.
579
00:39:44,663 --> 00:39:49,111
I don't know if that is true,
but I do know that
the pictures
580
00:39:49,146 --> 00:39:55,180
of this boy look very much
like the facial structure
of ML 73 33 56.
581
00:39:56,456 --> 00:39:59,215
The hair looks good,
the jawline looks good.
582
00:39:59,249 --> 00:40:02,594
And so I'm very interested
to know who that boy is
583
00:40:02,629 --> 00:40:06,594
and why this person thinks
that he was a victim.
584
00:40:09,387 --> 00:40:13,215
Right now, the search
for this boy's identity
585
00:40:13,249 --> 00:40:18,146
is in the hands
of genealogical DNA.
586
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:20,525
[narrator] Dr. Derrick is
no longer with
the Harris County
587
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,870
medical examiner's office,
But some things never
leave you.
588
00:40:24,905 --> 00:40:27,870
Whoever sent those photos
remains a mystery,
589
00:40:27,905 --> 00:40:31,249
and the best hope
is to track down
Bobby French.
590
00:40:31,284 --> 00:40:36,077
If this production can
do that, can track down
family members
591
00:40:36,111 --> 00:40:42,077
of a Bobby French who may
either had be deceased
or who is fine now.
592
00:40:42,111 --> 00:40:45,905
It would be very helpful
to the investigation.
593
00:40:45,939 --> 00:40:49,353
[narrator] Every one
of Corll's victims came
from the Houston area,
594
00:40:49,387 --> 00:40:51,870
many from the same
neighborhood.
595
00:40:51,905 --> 00:40:55,905
If this boy wasn't from
Houston, could he be
one of sex trafficker
596
00:40:55,939 --> 00:40:59,387
John David Norman's
boys for rent?
597
00:40:59,422 --> 00:41:03,560
Was Norman's ring bigger
and more dangerous than
anyone knew?
598
00:41:03,594 --> 00:41:05,491
Even John Wayne Gacy.
599
00:41:06,939 --> 00:41:08,008
[speaking]
600
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:09,836
[speaking]
601
00:41:09,870 --> 00:41:12,767
[speaking]
602
00:41:13,353 --> 00:41:16,008
[speaking]
603
00:41:16,043 --> 00:41:17,146
[speaking]
604
00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:19,870
[speaking]
605
00:41:19,905 --> 00:41:24,249
[narrator] During those
first few months, Randy
White delves into the victims.
606
00:41:24,284 --> 00:41:27,077
And the more they talked,
the more Randi wondered
607
00:41:27,111 --> 00:41:29,111
if there was something
to Gacy's claims.
608
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:32,594
[speaking]
609
00:41:32,629 --> 00:41:35,284
[speaking]
610
00:41:35,318 --> 00:41:39,249
[Randy] In the police
reports, yes, some
were involved in prostitution,
611
00:41:39,284 --> 00:41:43,180
and were a homosexual
or hustlers or both.
612
00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:46,939
[speaking]
613
00:41:46,974 --> 00:41:48,387
[speaking]
614
00:41:48,422 --> 00:41:50,905
[speaking]
615
00:41:50,939 --> 00:41:52,732
[speaking]
616
00:41:52,767 --> 00:41:55,008
[speaking]
617
00:41:55,043 --> 00:41:57,767
[speaking]
618
00:41:57,801 --> 00:41:59,801
[speaking]
619
00:42:01,111 --> 00:42:03,180
[speaking]
620
00:42:04,836 --> 00:42:09,180
[speaking]
621
00:42:09,215 --> 00:42:11,905
[speaking]
622
00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:15,663
[speaking]
623
00:42:16,594 --> 00:42:19,732
[speaking]
624
00:42:20,525 --> 00:42:21,560
[speaking]
625
00:42:21,594 --> 00:42:23,870
[speaking]
626
00:42:25,353 --> 00:42:28,767
[speaking]
627
00:42:29,215 --> 00:42:31,698
[speaking]
628
00:42:37,594 --> 00:42:40,180
[narrator] Since first
contacting John Wayne Gacy
in prison,
629
00:42:40,215 --> 00:42:43,008
Randy White has spent
countless hours
on the phone with him,
630
00:42:43,043 --> 00:42:44,594
compiling articles,
631
00:42:44,629 --> 00:42:46,111
books and documents
632
00:42:46,146 --> 00:42:48,146
to help in Gacy's appeal.
633
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:50,732
He even visits
the killer clown in prison.
634
00:42:53,801 --> 00:42:56,732
[Randy] It was
Halloween, 1989,
635
00:42:56,767 --> 00:43:00,870
and I've made my first visit
with Casey at Menard.
636
00:43:00,905 --> 00:43:03,249
And I was getting
a little bit nervous
637
00:43:03,284 --> 00:43:07,560
because here I am seeing
a serial killer on death row.
638
00:43:07,594 --> 00:43:10,180
And I'm looking down the hall
while I'm signing in,
639
00:43:10,215 --> 00:43:11,594
and there he is.
640
00:43:11,629 --> 00:43:14,422
I'm thinking to myself,
"He looks like a wimp."
641
00:43:14,456 --> 00:43:16,870
And he was charming,
he was smiling.
642
00:43:16,905 --> 00:43:20,284
And we sat at a table just
as close as you and I are.
643
00:43:20,318 --> 00:43:24,905
All the time,
like, I'm thinking,
"Did he kill these kids?
644
00:43:24,939 --> 00:43:27,905
How could somebody like that
kill all these kids?"
645
00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:29,387
He's like your
next door neighbor.
646
00:43:31,043 --> 00:43:32,629
[narrator] The longer
they talk,
647
00:43:32,663 --> 00:43:36,180
and the deeper Randy digs
into the victims and the
details of the case,
648
00:43:36,215 --> 00:43:38,077
the stronger
his suspicion grows
649
00:43:38,111 --> 00:43:40,767
that there's more here
than meets the eye.
650
00:43:40,801 --> 00:43:42,698
[recorded voice] This call
is subject to being recorded.
651
00:43:42,732 --> 00:43:43,836
Hang up to
decline the call.
652
00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:45,594
To accept the call,
dial three,
653
00:43:45,629 --> 00:43:48,525
or clearly say,
"Yes, I accept,"
at the tone.
654
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,939
-[beep]
-[man] Yes, I accept.
655
00:43:51,422 --> 00:43:52,698
[Gacy speaking over phone]
656
00:44:00,077 --> 00:44:02,008
[narrator] Phillip Paske
was the young man
657
00:44:02,043 --> 00:44:05,974
who was helping John Norman
run his call-boy service
for pedophiles
658
00:44:06,008 --> 00:44:08,974
the Delta Project
from the Cook County Jail.
659
00:44:09,008 --> 00:44:11,594
It's a name Gacy knows.
660
00:44:11,629 --> 00:44:14,629
Phillip Paske
works for John Wayne Gacy.
661
00:44:15,353 --> 00:44:18,491
So he knew about Paske.
662
00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:24,111
Gacy told me that he knew
the Paske worked for him,
663
00:44:24,146 --> 00:44:28,836
and Paske was a good friend
of David Cram,
who also worked for Gacy.
664
00:44:30,008 --> 00:44:33,629
[narrator] In early 1976,
Paske was paroled,
665
00:44:33,663 --> 00:44:37,180
but continued to run Norman's
boys-for-rent newsletter.
666
00:44:37,215 --> 00:44:40,146
Norman was paroled in 1977,
667
00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:42,698
and they kept their
mail order sex business going
668
00:44:42,732 --> 00:44:45,111
until Norman
was arrested again,
669
00:44:45,146 --> 00:44:49,594
this time for molesting
two foster care boys.
670
00:44:49,629 --> 00:44:53,767
That's when Paske
went to work for Gacy.
671
00:44:53,801 --> 00:44:58,801
And incredibly,
Paske had a key to
John Wayne Gacy's house.
672
00:44:58,836 --> 00:45:02,353
Gacy handed out keys
to some of his employees
673
00:45:02,387 --> 00:45:06,353
and let them
come and go while he was
out of the house working.
674
00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:08,387
[Gacy speaking over phone]
675
00:45:14,387 --> 00:45:15,387
[Randy] Mmm-hmm.
676
00:45:15,422 --> 00:45:16,215
[Gacy speaking over phone]
677
00:45:36,767 --> 00:45:40,870
I believe there was
a connection between
John Norman and John Gacy
678
00:45:40,905 --> 00:45:44,905
through Phillip Paske, who was
Norman's right-hand man.
679
00:45:46,077 --> 00:45:47,870
[narrator] Gacy
floats the idea
680
00:45:47,905 --> 00:45:51,767
this nationwide pedophile ring
could get him off death row.
681
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:53,939
[Gacy speaking over phone]
682
00:45:59,491 --> 00:46:00,387
[Randy] Yeah.
683
00:46:00,422 --> 00:46:01,284
[Gacy speaking over phone]
684
00:46:04,974 --> 00:46:05,870
[Randy speaking]
685
00:46:05,905 --> 00:46:06,732
[Gacy speaking over phone]
686
00:46:09,629 --> 00:46:13,249
[narrator] That means
finding the ringleader of
the sex trafficking network,
687
00:46:13,284 --> 00:46:15,905
Paske's buddy, John Norman.
688
00:46:17,801 --> 00:46:19,422
[Randy] I was trying
to track down Norman,
689
00:46:19,456 --> 00:46:22,249
just see what
I could get out of him
690
00:46:23,456 --> 00:46:27,043
in terms of knowing Gacy
or mis-operations.
691
00:46:27,836 --> 00:46:28,767
[Gacy speaking over phone]
692
00:46:37,318 --> 00:46:38,215
[Randy speaking]
693
00:46:38,939 --> 00:46:39,836
[Gacy speaking over phone]
694
00:46:44,525 --> 00:46:48,456
[narrator] Randy
writes to Norman,
and he responds right away,
695
00:46:48,491 --> 00:46:50,836
describing himself
as a writer,
696
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:54,767
former TV producer
and a school teacher.
697
00:46:54,801 --> 00:46:56,905
[Randy] I wrote him
in such a way
698
00:46:56,939 --> 00:47:01,974
that he would think
that I was a follow person
of his interests.
699
00:47:02,836 --> 00:47:04,560
My first letter with him.
700
00:47:04,594 --> 00:47:11,387
he was very detailed
in stuff that normally
you wouldn't tell a stranger.
701
00:47:11,422 --> 00:47:14,560
[narrator] He brags
that his boys for red business
in Dallas
702
00:47:14,594 --> 00:47:18,732
gave those young men
a better life than
they've ever known.
703
00:47:18,767 --> 00:47:21,870
He admits to his relationship
with Phillip Paske in Chicago,
704
00:47:21,905 --> 00:47:23,905
and the Delta Project,
705
00:47:23,939 --> 00:47:29,043
the newsletter that launched
the Chicago Tribune expose on
child pornography in America.
706
00:47:29,077 --> 00:47:31,905
"Yes, the Delta Project
is mine.
707
00:47:31,939 --> 00:47:37,318
It's the operation Phil Paske
and I ran during the months
I was out on bail.
708
00:47:37,353 --> 00:47:42,491
The program gave them
access to businessmen and
others who could help them.
709
00:47:42,525 --> 00:47:46,456
And if sex was
part of the deal, it was
to their advantage."
710
00:47:48,215 --> 00:47:52,111
[narrator] In 1978,
Paske wasn't just
working for Norman,
711
00:47:52,146 --> 00:47:53,870
he was living with him.
712
00:47:53,905 --> 00:47:57,318
But when Norman was busted
for molesting two foster kids,
713
00:47:57,353 --> 00:48:00,318
the Delta Project fizzled out.
714
00:48:00,353 --> 00:48:02,456
[Randy] Paske was there
at the time of the arrest.
715
00:48:02,491 --> 00:48:04,249
Even though he was on parole,
716
00:48:04,284 --> 00:48:08,215
he wasn't arrested
for some reason.
717
00:48:08,249 --> 00:48:11,629
Um, I could
never find out why.
718
00:48:11,663 --> 00:48:13,387
[narrator] Shortly
after that bust,
719
00:48:13,422 --> 00:48:18,629
Paske got the job
working for Gacy through
his buddy, David Cram.
720
00:48:18,663 --> 00:48:23,732
So who's to say that Paske
wasn't using his crawl space
721
00:48:23,767 --> 00:48:28,387
as a dumping ground for
young kids who won't go along
with Norman's operation,
722
00:48:28,422 --> 00:48:31,525
or want to get out
of Norman's operations?
723
00:48:32,732 --> 00:48:34,422
This is huge.
724
00:48:34,456 --> 00:48:38,111
How involved
was Norman with Gacy?
725
00:48:39,905 --> 00:48:41,249
Gacy was a bragger.
726
00:48:41,284 --> 00:48:43,387
He always wanted
to get others involved.
727
00:48:43,422 --> 00:48:44,629
He got me involved.
728
00:48:45,732 --> 00:48:47,801
Gacy couldn't
have done it alone,
729
00:48:47,836 --> 00:48:51,974
just like people like
Dean Corll and Norman.
730
00:48:52,732 --> 00:48:54,629
[narrator] Norman
was a big player
731
00:48:54,663 --> 00:48:57,560
running a giant pool of boys
across the country,
732
00:48:57,594 --> 00:49:00,215
and his network
had tentacles everywhere,
733
00:49:00,249 --> 00:49:03,836
including some of America's
most trusted institutions.
734
00:49:06,043 --> 00:49:08,353
Call it fate or serendipity,
735
00:49:08,387 --> 00:49:12,974
but a broken conveyor belt
and a roll of film
exposed one of them.
736
00:49:15,663 --> 00:49:18,629
[Frank] August 23rd, 1976.
737
00:49:18,663 --> 00:49:20,801
We received a phone call
738
00:49:20,836 --> 00:49:25,698
from the regional manager
of Fotomat labs
in Dallas, Texas.
739
00:49:25,732 --> 00:49:27,318
The conveyor belt broke down,
740
00:49:27,353 --> 00:49:30,698
and on the conveyor belt
was a series of photographs
741
00:49:30,732 --> 00:49:34,249
that had two adult males
having sex with a young boy.
742
00:49:34,284 --> 00:49:37,974
And he said it came from
Harry O Cramer in New Orleans.
743
00:49:38,008 --> 00:49:42,836
He said, "Are you all
interested in possibly
investigating the situation?"
744
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:46,111
And we said, "Absolutely,
Can you send it to us?"
745
00:49:46,146 --> 00:49:47,249
And that's how the case began.
746
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:52,249
[Gus] We looked at the photos
for several days
747
00:49:52,284 --> 00:49:56,353
and there was
no identifying information.
748
00:49:56,387 --> 00:49:59,594
No address, the phone number
was disconnected.
749
00:49:59,629 --> 00:50:01,456
But while we were looking,
750
00:50:01,491 --> 00:50:04,836
the lieutenant
walked by and he said,
751
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:09,111
"There's a Boys' Life magazine
on the coffee table.
752
00:50:09,146 --> 00:50:13,836
You can only get those
if you're Boy Scout,
troop leader or member."
753
00:50:15,318 --> 00:50:19,180
We headed immediately over
to the Boy Scout office.
754
00:50:19,215 --> 00:50:21,111
[Frank] They completely
stonewalled us.
755
00:50:21,146 --> 00:50:23,422
In fact, they came out
with one piece of paper
756
00:50:23,456 --> 00:50:25,870
and said,
"This is all we have."
757
00:50:25,905 --> 00:50:28,111
[narrator] After months
of DAGA detective work,
758
00:50:28,146 --> 00:50:30,077
they learned
the two men in the photos
759
00:50:30,111 --> 00:50:34,111
were both assistant
scoutmasters in Troop 137,
760
00:50:34,146 --> 00:50:38,594
38-year-old Raymond Woodall,
and 22-year-old Harry Cramer,
761
00:50:38,629 --> 00:50:41,939
the name
on the original film receipt.
762
00:50:41,974 --> 00:50:44,663
[Gus] Harry Cramer, he was
kind of like a minor player.
763
00:50:44,698 --> 00:50:47,077
He just happened
to make a mistake
764
00:50:47,111 --> 00:50:48,767
by dropping that film roll.
765
00:50:48,801 --> 00:50:50,836
[Frank] Woodall,
who in my opinion,
766
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:55,801
was probably one of
the most devious and
probably one of the smartest.
767
00:50:55,836 --> 00:50:57,801
[Gus] He was the organizer.
768
00:50:57,836 --> 00:50:59,422
From talking
to different kids,
769
00:50:59,456 --> 00:51:02,008
and we got names
of other individuals
770
00:51:02,043 --> 00:51:05,215
that weren't
Boy Scout leaders or members,
771
00:51:05,249 --> 00:51:08,905
but they were grown-ups
that would associate
with them.
772
00:51:08,939 --> 00:51:14,180
[Frank] They had on index file
that was quite voluminous,
773
00:51:14,215 --> 00:51:18,491
hand-written, and it was
all of their contacts.
774
00:51:18,525 --> 00:51:22,215
They had literally
business file cabinets
full of information,
775
00:51:22,249 --> 00:51:25,525
and they had this Rolodex
of index cards,
776
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,560
recipe cards, if you would,
777
00:51:27,594 --> 00:51:30,043
that they had
with a lot of names on it.
778
00:51:30,077 --> 00:51:34,560
I mean, we literally had
a room full of evidence
as a result of those searches.
779
00:51:35,525 --> 00:51:39,008
[narrator] Troop 137
was a front.
780
00:51:39,043 --> 00:51:42,353
Their leaders recruited boys
from broken homes
into the troop,
781
00:51:42,387 --> 00:51:44,905
and sent many of them
around the country
782
00:51:44,939 --> 00:51:47,594
for the pleasure of men
willing to pay for them.
783
00:51:48,974 --> 00:51:50,836
[Frank] I would call it
a pedophile cell,
784
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:53,732
they would infiltrate
organizations like
Big Brothers,
785
00:51:53,767 --> 00:51:57,249
child welfare services,
police departments,
786
00:51:57,284 --> 00:51:58,870
who worked
their way into positions
787
00:51:58,905 --> 00:52:01,422
where they
had access to children.
788
00:52:01,456 --> 00:52:05,732
[Gus] They actually had,
like, a procedure, a guideline
789
00:52:05,767 --> 00:52:07,801
on what type
of kid to look for,
790
00:52:07,836 --> 00:52:09,629
and what to do
if this happens,
791
00:52:09,663 --> 00:52:11,387
what not to do
if this happens.
792
00:52:12,939 --> 00:52:15,008
[narrator] One year
after finding the photos
793
00:52:15,043 --> 00:52:17,629
of Woodall and Cramer
having sex with a young boy,
794
00:52:17,663 --> 00:52:20,249
they, along with
two other Scout leaders,
795
00:52:20,284 --> 00:52:22,939
were convicted
of setting up Troop 137
796
00:52:22,974 --> 00:52:26,008
for the purpose
of molesting boys.
797
00:52:26,043 --> 00:52:29,767
Woodall was handed a 75-year
sentence and died in prison.
798
00:52:29,801 --> 00:52:32,249
Cramer was given 45 years.
799
00:52:32,284 --> 00:52:36,077
This time, some of their
clients were also charged.
800
00:52:36,111 --> 00:52:39,146
Like 54- year-old millionaire
real estate broker,
801
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:41,387
Hugh Scott Mellor of Boston.
802
00:52:41,422 --> 00:52:43,801
He was sentenced to 5 years.
803
00:52:43,836 --> 00:52:46,974
Forty-one-year-old
industrialist Richard Jacobs,
804
00:52:47,008 --> 00:52:49,905
a one-time part owner
of the New England Patriots,
805
00:52:49,939 --> 00:52:54,008
was charged with 15 counts
of aggravated crimes
against nature,
806
00:52:54,043 --> 00:52:58,215
but posted bail
and skipped town
before facing trial.
807
00:52:58,249 --> 00:53:00,318
Jacobs was never found.
808
00:53:00,353 --> 00:53:02,836
It wasn't only these people.
809
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:05,525
It was numerous other people.
810
00:53:06,491 --> 00:53:07,663
[narrator] Woodall admits
811
00:53:07,698 --> 00:53:10,560
that top politicians
from around the US
812
00:53:10,594 --> 00:53:12,732
were some of
the Troops' customers.
813
00:53:14,353 --> 00:53:16,180
Not only national,
but it was international.
814
00:53:16,215 --> 00:53:21,732
I mean, we had pedophiles
that we identified
in Bermuda, in the UK,
815
00:53:21,767 --> 00:53:23,801
-in Australia...
-[man] Germany.
816
00:53:23,836 --> 00:53:27,491
Germany, uh, Czechoslovakia.
817
00:53:27,525 --> 00:53:29,974
[narrator] And Woodall's name
was found in none other
818
00:53:30,008 --> 00:53:32,284
than John Norman's
address book.
819
00:53:33,698 --> 00:53:36,870
They had a much wider
network
820
00:53:36,905 --> 00:53:42,215
and I think John Norman
was looking at this is
as an example and said,
821
00:53:42,249 --> 00:53:43,525
"Hey, I can do this."
822
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,008
Mm-hmm.
823
00:53:45,043 --> 00:53:47,801
There were definitely
some characteristics
824
00:53:47,836 --> 00:53:50,387
that pedophile cells have
in common
with terrorist cells.
825
00:53:50,422 --> 00:53:52,111
The violence
might be different,
826
00:53:52,146 --> 00:53:55,318
but in terms of being
like a sleeper cell,
827
00:53:55,353 --> 00:53:58,732
where they're there
and the general public
doesn't know about it,
828
00:53:58,767 --> 00:54:01,043
I think it's probably
an apt comparison.
829
00:54:02,732 --> 00:54:06,043
[Jerome] The Boy Scouts
was a very good hunting ground
for these pedophiles.
830
00:54:06,077 --> 00:54:08,043
I mean, it just provides
that cover.
831
00:54:08,077 --> 00:54:11,249
It also helps them
gather prey in one area,
832
00:54:11,284 --> 00:54:13,905
and they can just pick
and choose
among they want.
833
00:54:13,939 --> 00:54:16,594
[narrator] Jerome Elam
of Florida isn't just
834
00:54:16,629 --> 00:54:18,974
an observer
of the pedophile ring.
835
00:54:19,008 --> 00:54:21,456
I was sexually exploited
by a pedophile ring
from age five to age 12.
836
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,594
[narrator] In these series,
837
00:54:29,629 --> 00:54:31,698
most of the victims
of sex trafficking
838
00:54:31,732 --> 00:54:36,215
have been photos of young men
or names in police
and news reports.
839
00:54:36,249 --> 00:54:41,008
Jerome Elam of Florida
was a victim of one of these
pedophile rings,
840
00:54:41,043 --> 00:54:46,491
abused and trafficked
by his own family
from the age of five.
841
00:54:46,525 --> 00:54:49,353
[Jerome] My mother
was an alcoholic,
pregnant at 17,
842
00:54:49,387 --> 00:54:51,043
my parents divorced
843
00:54:51,077 --> 00:54:54,249
and my mother's alcoholism
just spiraled out of control.
844
00:54:54,284 --> 00:54:57,215
She began to date
a series of dirt bags
845
00:54:57,249 --> 00:55:00,491
until one day she brought home
a man we thought
would change our lives.
846
00:55:00,525 --> 00:55:06,491
Uh, but this individual,
after about six months,
begin to molest me.
847
00:55:06,525 --> 00:55:09,008
He used me
to do child pornography,
and then began to track me
848
00:55:09,043 --> 00:55:11,318
through the pedophile ring
he belonged to.
849
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,318
First time
that I was actually sold
850
00:55:16,353 --> 00:55:18,698
was at a truck stop
in a truck stop bathroom,
851
00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:21,422
so I was sold
to five individuals,
including it, one woman.
852
00:55:23,111 --> 00:55:24,663
They would come
and just rape me.
853
00:55:24,698 --> 00:55:26,491
[lights fluctuating]
854
00:55:26,525 --> 00:55:28,905
When it's your first time,
you're just rolling,
855
00:55:28,939 --> 00:55:31,491
that gear to deal
with what's going on.
856
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,905
They use drugs, cocaine
in my case,
857
00:55:35,939 --> 00:55:38,043
you know, Quaaludes
back in the '70s,
858
00:55:38,077 --> 00:55:40,767
alcohol to make you
more compliant.
859
00:55:40,801 --> 00:55:44,663
And these individuals
essentially pay
to do whatever they want.
860
00:55:44,698 --> 00:55:50,249
And there are just these
depths of the pravity that
exists in that dark world.
861
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:55,594
It's just really like
looking into the abyss.
862
00:55:55,629 --> 00:55:58,905
The traffickers would
come in
and slap you around
863
00:55:58,939 --> 00:56:01,043
and really just make you
compliant
with what's going on.
864
00:56:02,594 --> 00:56:04,491
You know, that was part of
the training process
865
00:56:04,525 --> 00:56:06,663
where they kind of, you know,
they kind of
got you to a point
866
00:56:06,698 --> 00:56:10,284
where you are just the object
where they would just
kind of come in.
867
00:56:10,318 --> 00:56:13,008
And you are a robot
to do what they want.
868
00:56:13,043 --> 00:56:16,318
If a child lost their life,
they would just move on
to another one.
869
00:56:17,456 --> 00:56:20,318
As a child,
I was desperate for affection,
870
00:56:20,353 --> 00:56:22,905
like a drowning
man's desperate for oxygen.
871
00:56:22,939 --> 00:56:24,663
So,
part of the grooming process
872
00:56:24,698 --> 00:56:26,801
is that when someone
comes along
873
00:56:26,836 --> 00:56:31,318
and pays attention to you,
um, you're immediately hooked.
874
00:56:31,353 --> 00:56:36,456
I mean, these were kids
who have been ground down.
875
00:56:38,008 --> 00:56:39,905
[recording playing]
876
00:57:08,491 --> 00:57:10,629
[Jerome] You look
at John Wayne Gacy
and Norman and
877
00:57:10,663 --> 00:57:13,422
Dean Corll, I mean,
they were like kids
in a candy shop,
878
00:57:13,456 --> 00:57:17,180
because they just saw
opportunity everywhere
they looked in the '70s.
879
00:57:17,215 --> 00:57:18,698
When they chose a victim,
880
00:57:18,732 --> 00:57:21,353
they knew that victim
was theirs to keep.
881
00:57:21,387 --> 00:57:23,801
They could trap them
in this emotional
882
00:57:23,836 --> 00:57:25,801
psychological quicksand
they couldn't escape.
883
00:57:29,836 --> 00:57:32,491
[narrator] When he was
arrested in 1978,
884
00:57:32,525 --> 00:57:34,974
Gacy told the police
in great detail
885
00:57:35,008 --> 00:57:37,974
how he picked up
and murdered his victims.
886
00:57:38,008 --> 00:57:41,870
But by the time
he started talking
to Randy White a decade later,
887
00:57:41,905 --> 00:57:44,043
his story
changed dramatically.
888
00:57:45,077 --> 00:57:48,008
[recording playing]
889
00:58:12,767 --> 00:58:15,249
[narrator] Since his arrest,
Casey has turned down
890
00:58:15,284 --> 00:58:20,560
every request for an interview
from Truman Capote
to Oprah Winfrey.
891
00:58:20,594 --> 00:58:24,905
Finally, in May of 1992,
armed with the information
Randy dug up,
892
00:58:24,939 --> 00:58:29,249
he was ready to tell the world
a different story
and get off death row.
893
00:58:29,284 --> 00:58:32,939
And he knows exactly
who he wants to talk to.
894
00:58:32,974 --> 00:58:34,974
Currency and our businesses
is the scope.
895
00:58:35,008 --> 00:58:39,284
I, like every other person
was not only interested
in Gacy,
896
00:58:39,318 --> 00:58:42,387
but interested in beating
each other to get Gacy
897
00:58:42,422 --> 00:58:44,249
and I started
to write letters.
898
00:58:44,284 --> 00:58:45,974
I wrote him
a letter a week.
899
00:58:46,008 --> 00:58:50,456
I called Menard State Prison,
where he was on death row,
900
00:58:50,491 --> 00:58:52,284
and ask to speak to him.
901
00:58:52,318 --> 00:58:54,525
This went on
for more than a year.
902
00:58:55,939 --> 00:58:58,698
[recording playing]
903
00:59:10,974 --> 00:59:12,974
[machine whirring,
gate opening]
904
00:59:13,008 --> 00:59:16,043
[Walter] I wasn't sure
what I wanted to get from him
905
00:59:17,284 --> 00:59:20,974
because anything he said,
was going to make news.
906
00:59:22,043 --> 00:59:23,905
He said.
"What do you want to know?"
907
00:59:23,939 --> 00:59:25,043
"Whatever you want
to tell me."
908
00:59:25,974 --> 00:59:27,422
[narrator]
Despite his confessions,
909
00:59:27,456 --> 00:59:31,215
Gacy now claims
he didn't kill 33 boys
910
00:59:31,249 --> 00:59:35,077
and paints himself
as the misunderstood
victim of circumstance.
911
00:59:35,111 --> 00:59:37,318
He starts
with smearing the victims.
912
00:59:37,353 --> 00:59:38,456
[Gacy] And what we did
with each one,
913
00:59:38,491 --> 00:59:40,594
we did profile sheets
on them...
914
00:59:40,629 --> 00:59:44,422
We wanted to know
what the kid was into,
what his background was
915
00:59:44,456 --> 00:59:48,284
when they paint the image
that I was this monster who...
916
00:59:48,318 --> 00:59:50,698
who picked up like these
altar boys along the street
917
00:59:50,732 --> 00:59:53,594
and swatted 'em like flies,
this is ludicrous.
918
00:59:53,629 --> 00:59:55,801
He really believes it.
919
00:59:55,836 --> 00:59:59,939
He said the only thing
I could be arrested
and convicted for
920
00:59:59,974 --> 01:00:04,629
was running a cemetery
at my house.
921
01:00:04,663 --> 01:00:08,698
[narrator] His house
did double as headquarters
for his construction company
922
01:00:08,732 --> 01:00:11,663
and a flophouse
for some of his employees.
923
01:00:11,698 --> 01:00:13,111
According to Gacy,
924
01:00:13,146 --> 01:00:15,629
they could have buried
the bodies in the crawl space
925
01:00:15,663 --> 01:00:17,008
while he was out of town.
926
01:00:18,215 --> 01:00:22,491
Michael Rossi, David Cram
and Phillip Paske,
all employees
927
01:00:22,525 --> 01:00:26,836
of PDM contractors,
all with keys to the house
on Summerdale.
928
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:30,422
[Walter] He tried to trap me
into giving him a space
929
01:00:30,456 --> 01:00:33,491
to talk to the world
about what he didn't do
930
01:00:33,525 --> 01:00:36,077
and in five minutes
he was telling me
how he did it.
931
01:00:37,456 --> 01:00:40,008
Shoelace.
You're in trouble now.
932
01:00:40,043 --> 01:00:43,663
[Walter] He asked my cameraman
to give him a piece of string,
933
01:00:43,698 --> 01:00:46,249
and a cameraman
undid his shoes,
934
01:00:46,284 --> 01:00:48,491
took a lace out,
handed it to him,
935
01:00:48,525 --> 01:00:51,284
and Gacy started
to wrap it around his wrist.
936
01:00:51,318 --> 01:00:54,284
The only thing I ever learned
from Boy Scouts
is a tourniquet knot.
937
01:00:54,318 --> 01:00:56,353
It's hard trying to do this.
938
01:00:56,387 --> 01:01:00,663
And he couldn't get it around
because he had one hand
being wrapped
939
01:01:00,698 --> 01:01:03,180
and he couldn't tie
a knot with the other hand.
940
01:01:03,215 --> 01:01:05,525
So he asked me
to give him my arm...
941
01:01:07,353 --> 01:01:08,836
[Gacy] Knot in it.
942
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:10,249
Then you put
a second knot in it.
943
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:12,560
Okay?
944
01:01:12,594 --> 01:01:14,629
Then you take a stick
and stick it in here,
945
01:01:14,663 --> 01:01:16,870
and you just turn this
946
01:01:16,905 --> 01:01:18,560
and it causes an tourniquet.
947
01:01:18,594 --> 01:01:21,249
[male voice] Precisely
the kind of knot
found on the ropes
948
01:01:21,284 --> 01:01:23,491
wrapped around the necks
of the victims
949
01:01:23,525 --> 01:01:25,698
found under the house
on Summerdale.
950
01:01:25,732 --> 01:01:28,767
He did think that he could
talk himself out of it,
951
01:01:28,801 --> 01:01:30,905
that he could get this
decision reversed,
952
01:01:30,939 --> 01:01:32,249
that he wouldn't have to die.
953
01:01:33,525 --> 01:01:35,043
[recording playing]
954
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:53,456
[narrator] Gacy's attempt
to rewrite history fails.
955
01:01:53,491 --> 01:01:59,008
The execution date is set
for the 10th of May,
26 years to the day
956
01:01:59,043 --> 01:02:02,732
after his first arrest
for sodomy in Waterloo, Iowa.
957
01:02:03,698 --> 01:02:07,387
Before my mother died,
I remember her saying,
958
01:02:07,422 --> 01:02:12,043
I want to be here the day
that they put him to death.
959
01:02:12,077 --> 01:02:14,422
I want to push the button.
960
01:02:14,456 --> 01:02:16,284
[narrator] Eugenia Godzik's
brother, Greg,
961
01:02:16,318 --> 01:02:20,077
worked for Gacy
and was murdered by him
in 1976.
962
01:02:21,836 --> 01:02:24,767
[Walter] Gacy was flown
by helicopter
963
01:02:24,801 --> 01:02:28,077
up to the state penitentiary
in Joliet.
964
01:02:28,111 --> 01:02:30,905
[Eugenia] My husband and I
went to the prison.
965
01:02:30,939 --> 01:02:33,111
It's unbelievable.
966
01:02:33,146 --> 01:02:37,629
It's a huge, a huge building,
very ornate.
967
01:02:38,525 --> 01:02:40,629
But it's kind of creepy.
968
01:02:40,663 --> 01:02:44,456
When you walk in,
you're like, "Oh, God."
969
01:02:44,491 --> 01:02:50,180
I thought we were
going to be able to see
when they were injecting
970
01:02:50,215 --> 01:02:53,249
whatever solution they use
and they said,
"Oh, you can't go."
971
01:02:53,284 --> 01:02:55,422
And I said, "What?"
972
01:02:55,456 --> 01:02:58,663
I said, "I'm doing this
for my mom and I can't
be in there?"
973
01:02:58,698 --> 01:03:02,801
They said, "No."
The media could be there,
but we could not.
974
01:03:04,215 --> 01:03:07,043
[narrator]
Just after midnight, Gacy,
"the killer clown"
975
01:03:07,077 --> 01:03:09,422
was put to death
by lethal injection.
976
01:03:10,318 --> 01:03:12,387
We're sitting there
and you're waiting
977
01:03:12,422 --> 01:03:14,663
and then all of a sudden,
the phone rings.
978
01:03:14,698 --> 01:03:15,974
It's like the Batman phone
979
01:03:16,008 --> 01:03:18,146
and they pick it up
and they go...
980
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:20,663
[in soft voice]
"He has now passed."
981
01:03:20,698 --> 01:03:22,698
[in normal voice]
And I go, "That's it?"
982
01:03:22,732 --> 01:03:25,043
C'est la vie, it's over.
983
01:03:27,663 --> 01:03:29,836
[narrator] Gacy showed
no remorse.
984
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:32,249
and took to his grave
clues to the identity
985
01:03:32,284 --> 01:03:35,663
of his last nameless victims
and their possible connection
986
01:03:35,698 --> 01:03:38,353
to John Norman,
Dean Corll
987
01:03:38,387 --> 01:03:40,456
and the national
pedophile ring.
988
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:44,353
When they executed him...
989
01:03:44,387 --> 01:03:45,836
I hate to see
anybody executed,
990
01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:48,387
but I didn't shed a tear.
991
01:03:50,732 --> 01:03:51,974
No.
992
01:03:52,801 --> 01:03:54,905
Sad to say it like,
993
01:03:54,939 --> 01:03:57,111
but it's hard to have
any feeling for
somebody like that.
994
01:04:10,318 --> 01:04:13,629
[narrator] Today, thanks
to DNA technology,
995
01:04:13,663 --> 01:04:16,353
Lieutenant Jason Moran
of Cook County's
Cold Case unit,
996
01:04:16,387 --> 01:04:18,491
is optimistic
he may be able
997
01:04:18,525 --> 01:04:22,146
to give two more
of Gacy's victims
back their names.
998
01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:24,870
[Jason Moran]
I've been assigned
to identify these victims.
999
01:04:24,905 --> 01:04:28,077
When I accomplish
the task I've been given,
1000
01:04:28,111 --> 01:04:29,836
it causes pain.
1001
01:04:30,594 --> 01:04:32,974
It's very hard to hear
1002
01:04:33,008 --> 01:04:35,077
that your loved one was
1003
01:04:35,111 --> 01:04:37,491
raped and murdered
by an evil serial killer.
1004
01:04:37,525 --> 01:04:40,284
The thing that I've learned
over the years
1005
01:04:40,318 --> 01:04:42,629
is that not knowing
1006
01:04:42,663 --> 01:04:46,353
is worse than knowing
for the families.
1007
01:04:46,387 --> 01:04:48,594
Victim number 28,
he was buried
1008
01:04:48,629 --> 01:04:50,491
in Gacy's backyard,
1009
01:04:50,525 --> 01:04:53,077
underneath a barbecue pit.
1010
01:04:53,698 --> 01:04:55,491
He was the last victim found
1011
01:04:56,525 --> 01:04:58,008
in March of 1979,
1012
01:04:58,043 --> 01:05:00,836
when they were destroying
Gacy's house.
1013
01:05:03,180 --> 01:05:05,560
A... A family member
recently called.
1014
01:05:05,594 --> 01:05:08,732
She had
a missing half-brother.
1015
01:05:08,767 --> 01:05:11,249
Their in common mother was
a bit of a rolling stone...
1016
01:05:12,594 --> 01:05:16,491
...and had multiple husbands
and boyfriends.
1017
01:05:16,525 --> 01:05:19,008
Also reported of him
being homosexual.
1018
01:05:19,043 --> 01:05:21,215
The circumstances
1019
01:05:21,249 --> 01:05:22,767
surrounding his
disappearance...
1020
01:05:22,801 --> 01:05:26,525
Last seen getting in a car
with an unknown
older male white,
1021
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,905
fits quite perfectly
1022
01:05:28,939 --> 01:05:30,905
with what we know
about how
1023
01:05:30,939 --> 01:05:33,077
Gacy acquired his victims.
1024
01:05:33,111 --> 01:05:36,422
So, I collected a DNA sample,
1025
01:05:36,456 --> 01:05:38,353
uh, submitted it to the lab.
1026
01:05:38,387 --> 01:05:40,836
[narrator]
The tests don't confirm
a match between the sister
1027
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:42,905
and victim number 28,
1028
01:05:42,939 --> 01:05:46,318
but the results show
it's a possibility.
1029
01:05:46,353 --> 01:05:49,801
[Moran] Victim number 28
cannot be excluded
1030
01:05:50,629 --> 01:05:54,905
as a biological relative
of this woman.
1031
01:05:54,939 --> 01:05:57,215
So, what that means
is I have to do
additional work.
1032
01:05:58,008 --> 01:05:59,905
I have to find
other relatives
1033
01:05:59,939 --> 01:06:02,491
and collect
additional samples,
1034
01:06:02,525 --> 01:06:04,836
and the lab will look at him,
and they'll start seeing
1035
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:08,077
if there's more
genetic associations
1036
01:06:08,111 --> 01:06:11,043
between relatives
of this missing boy
1037
01:06:11,077 --> 01:06:12,974
and victim number 28.
1038
01:06:13,008 --> 01:06:14,939
[narrator] To identify
earlier victims,
1039
01:06:14,974 --> 01:06:16,594
Lieutenant Moran took DNA
1040
01:06:16,629 --> 01:06:19,249
from family members
of missing persons
1041
01:06:19,284 --> 01:06:21,905
and compared it
with the DNA of the bodies.
1042
01:06:21,939 --> 01:06:23,732
If no family member
1043
01:06:23,767 --> 01:06:24,905
provided a sample,
1044
01:06:24,939 --> 01:06:27,629
the victim
couldn't be identified.
1045
01:06:27,663 --> 01:06:29,663
A new method
has come to light,
1046
01:06:29,698 --> 01:06:31,732
and that's
forensic genealogy.
1047
01:06:31,767 --> 01:06:36,387
The forensic genealogy
hopefully will lead me
to a family,
1048
01:06:36,422 --> 01:06:40,594
as opposed to
a family reaching out for me.
1049
01:06:40,629 --> 01:06:43,801
[narrator]
Lieutenant Moran has turned
to Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick,
1050
01:06:43,836 --> 01:06:44,939
considered the founder
1051
01:06:44,974 --> 01:06:47,456
of modern forensic genealogy.
1052
01:06:47,491 --> 01:06:48,629
Forensic genealogy
1053
01:06:48,663 --> 01:06:50,284
in an informal sense,
1054
01:06:50,318 --> 01:06:53,249
you can say
it's CSI meets Roots.
1055
01:06:53,284 --> 01:06:56,077
What they do,
is they take your DNA
1056
01:06:56,111 --> 01:06:58,629
and they put it
in a big supercomputer
1057
01:06:58,663 --> 01:07:03,905
and they compare it
to everyone else's DNA
in their database.
1058
01:07:03,939 --> 01:07:07,836
So that if me
and another person
share ten percent
1059
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:10,284
of our DNA with each other,
1060
01:07:10,318 --> 01:07:13,318
we know we're in the range
of first cousins.
1061
01:07:13,353 --> 01:07:16,111
[Moran] And that's when
it starts to get interesting.
1062
01:07:16,146 --> 01:07:17,215
And we could say that
1063
01:07:18,077 --> 01:07:19,870
this victim
1064
01:07:19,905 --> 01:07:22,767
is related in some way
to this individual
1065
01:07:22,801 --> 01:07:24,594
in the genealogy database.
1066
01:07:24,629 --> 01:07:26,387
How are they related?
1067
01:07:26,422 --> 01:07:28,387
Who are their
in common relatives?
1068
01:07:28,422 --> 01:07:30,939
And out of any of those
in common relatives,
1069
01:07:30,974 --> 01:07:32,249
are any of 'em missing?
1070
01:07:32,284 --> 01:07:36,008
And that's where
the conventional
detective work starts.
1071
01:07:36,043 --> 01:07:38,767
The phone calls,
the in-person meetings.
1072
01:07:38,801 --> 01:07:40,870
Who was this relative?
1073
01:07:40,905 --> 01:07:44,456
[narrator]
Dr. Fitzpatrick has solved
cold cases across the country
1074
01:07:44,491 --> 01:07:47,284
by piecing together
genetic fingerprints.
1075
01:07:47,318 --> 01:07:49,525
Some, faded with time.
1076
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,111
[Fitzpatrick] We found
right at the beginning,
1077
01:07:51,146 --> 01:07:53,836
we'd be working
with highly degraded DNA
1078
01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:55,836
and very low level DNA,
1079
01:07:55,870 --> 01:07:58,353
so that has developed
as our expertise
1080
01:07:58,387 --> 01:08:00,180
as we've gotten
better and better at it,
1081
01:08:00,215 --> 01:08:03,111
and we made the first
successful identification,
1082
01:08:03,146 --> 01:08:06,353
Buckskin Girl,
in March of 2018,
1083
01:08:06,387 --> 01:08:08,629
and that was several weeks
before the Golden State Killer
1084
01:08:08,663 --> 01:08:11,629
was identified using
the same method.
1085
01:08:11,663 --> 01:08:14,077
[narrator] Gacy's last
unidentified victims
1086
01:08:14,111 --> 01:08:16,215
could be the hardest yet.
1087
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:20,008
[Moran] Gacy's victims
were buried in a crawl space,
1088
01:08:20,043 --> 01:08:21,629
where they slowly degraded.
1089
01:08:21,663 --> 01:08:24,663
Gacy would put lime
and acid
1090
01:08:24,698 --> 01:08:26,698
on the graves
1091
01:08:26,732 --> 01:08:30,836
to hasten decomposition
and to counteract the odor.
1092
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:33,077
These chemicals don't help.
1093
01:08:33,111 --> 01:08:35,939
Then, the remains
are removed to
the medical examiner's office
1094
01:08:35,974 --> 01:08:39,111
and then cleaned
through a chemical process,
1095
01:08:39,146 --> 01:08:42,353
and then, they were
buried in a grave
1096
01:08:42,387 --> 01:08:44,974
that has a lot
of water, bacteria.
1097
01:08:45,008 --> 01:08:47,525
All these things
are not helpful
to the DNA re...
1098
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,870
Required for
forensic genealogy.
1099
01:08:49,905 --> 01:08:51,284
So, all we could do is try.
1100
01:08:52,284 --> 01:08:56,353
So, Doc, I was looking
at victim number five has
1101
01:08:56,387 --> 01:08:59,560
the most usable DNA,
1102
01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:02,249
um, and I was wondering
what you thought about
1103
01:09:02,284 --> 01:09:04,767
perhaps using
1104
01:09:04,801 --> 01:09:08,111
this victim
as our first one
1105
01:09:08,146 --> 01:09:09,284
for the genealogy work.
1106
01:09:09,318 --> 01:09:10,836
You know, we know
very little about 'em,
1107
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:15,146
because his body
was markedly decomposed,
nearly skeletal.
1108
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:17,422
He's estimated
being in his 20s.
1109
01:09:17,456 --> 01:09:18,629
Like all the Gacy victims,
1110
01:09:18,663 --> 01:09:20,249
they identified
Gacy victims.
1111
01:09:20,284 --> 01:09:22,215
Average height.
1112
01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:26,180
So, this individual
potentially could
be mixed race.
1113
01:09:26,215 --> 01:09:28,836
Between white
or Caucasian.
1114
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:30,491
An American Indian.
1115
01:09:30,525 --> 01:09:32,353
Okay, that's interesting.
1116
01:09:32,387 --> 01:09:33,629
Is he suspected
1117
01:09:33,663 --> 01:09:35,836
of being a local,
local boy?
1118
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:37,111
We don't know.
1119
01:09:37,146 --> 01:09:39,629
All we know
is that the majority
of Gacy's victims,
1120
01:09:39,663 --> 01:09:42,008
-they were local
to the Chicago area.
-Mmm-hmm. Right.
1121
01:09:42,043 --> 01:09:43,284
There was
out-of-state victims
1122
01:09:43,318 --> 01:09:45,387
and this, uh...
1123
01:09:45,422 --> 01:09:47,732
-This victim really could have
been from anywhere.
-[smacks lips]
1124
01:09:47,767 --> 01:09:49,629
This is very promising.
1125
01:09:49,663 --> 01:09:52,422
I think that we really
have a good shot at it.
1126
01:09:52,456 --> 01:09:53,767
The DNA looks good.
1127
01:09:53,801 --> 01:09:55,111
It may take a while.
1128
01:09:55,146 --> 01:09:59,111
This is not something
necessarily you
can do overnight.
1129
01:09:59,146 --> 01:10:03,215
There's right now
about 30 million people
in those databases.
1130
01:10:03,249 --> 01:10:07,767
Case number five,
the one with the most DNA,
has below a nanogram,
1131
01:10:07,801 --> 01:10:09,801
and let's hope there's not
a whole lot of bacteria.
1132
01:10:13,284 --> 01:10:15,491
[narrator]
A thousand miles away
in Texas,
1133
01:10:15,525 --> 01:10:17,353
Dr. Fitzpatrick is
also helping
1134
01:10:17,387 --> 01:10:19,456
to identify
the victim known
1135
01:10:19,491 --> 01:10:21,043
as Swimsuit Boy.
1136
01:10:22,629 --> 01:10:24,077
[Fitzpatrick] You know,
we'd really like to
1137
01:10:24,111 --> 01:10:26,249
be able to identify
the last remaining victim
1138
01:10:26,284 --> 01:10:27,525
of Dean Corll.
1139
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,318
That's been kind of
a special case to me
1140
01:10:29,353 --> 01:10:30,491
for a long time.
1141
01:10:32,008 --> 01:10:34,318
The remains of the boy
was sent to
1142
01:10:34,353 --> 01:10:37,008
the International Commission
on Missing Persons,
1143
01:10:37,043 --> 01:10:39,836
who did
the bone extraction
in The Hague,
1144
01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:43,939
and we are now just getting
the DNA into the lab.
1145
01:10:43,974 --> 01:10:46,801
[Sharon Derrick]
I do believe that it's
a race against the clock
1146
01:10:46,836 --> 01:10:48,594
to get this boy identified.
1147
01:10:48,629 --> 01:10:52,870
I'm really hoping
that this new methodology
1148
01:10:52,905 --> 01:10:56,767
with the forensic genealogist
will bear fruit.
1149
01:10:58,111 --> 01:10:59,974
[narrator] While she waits
for science,
1150
01:11:00,008 --> 01:11:03,525
Dr. Derrick wonders
if this one distinctive
piece of clothing
1151
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,560
found on his body
will jog someone's memory.
1152
01:11:07,456 --> 01:11:08,698
[Derrick] He had with him
1153
01:11:08,732 --> 01:11:11,698
a T-shirt,
that on the back of it,
1154
01:11:11,732 --> 01:11:13,801
it had this decal
1155
01:11:13,836 --> 01:11:15,801
that had a peace sign
1156
01:11:15,836 --> 01:11:18,801
over a United States flag,
1157
01:11:18,836 --> 01:11:20,836
and then down
underneath that
1158
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:24,491
in handwriting, somebody wrote
with an indelible marker,
1159
01:11:24,525 --> 01:11:28,043
"L84MF."
1160
01:11:28,077 --> 01:11:29,836
Late for my funeral,
1161
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:31,905
which is sort of
a military slang,
1162
01:11:31,939 --> 01:11:34,249
and so we're wondering
if maybe
1163
01:11:34,284 --> 01:11:37,663
he had a family member,
a father, an uncle,
1164
01:11:37,698 --> 01:11:40,387
an older brother
who may have been serving
1165
01:11:40,422 --> 01:11:42,767
or had served
in the Vietnam War.
1166
01:11:42,801 --> 01:11:45,905
[narrator] She visits Corll's
two accomplices in prison.
1167
01:11:45,939 --> 01:11:48,215
David Brooks
and Elmer Wayne Henley
1168
01:11:48,249 --> 01:11:50,180
helped Corll abduct, murder
1169
01:11:50,215 --> 01:11:52,594
and bury his 29 victims.
1170
01:11:52,629 --> 01:11:55,836
According to Brooks
and Henley, Dean Corll
1171
01:11:55,870 --> 01:11:58,387
did kill other people,
1172
01:11:58,422 --> 01:12:01,560
Uh, and that he was
secretive about that,
1173
01:12:01,594 --> 01:12:03,146
and that there were
many times...
1174
01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:04,284
Especially Henley
1175
01:12:04,318 --> 01:12:05,422
recalled this.
1176
01:12:05,456 --> 01:12:07,146
There were many times
that he went out
1177
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:10,284
by himself...
Both Henley
1178
01:12:10,318 --> 01:12:13,663
and Brooks told me
they felt that
1179
01:12:13,698 --> 01:12:17,284
Dean was running some kind
of pornographic ring.
1180
01:12:17,318 --> 01:12:21,387
At least Dean told
them he was
1181
01:12:21,422 --> 01:12:24,456
and he said
that some of these boys
1182
01:12:24,491 --> 01:12:26,008
thought they were gonna
go out to Hollywood
1183
01:12:26,043 --> 01:12:28,560
and be stars,
that he had agents for them
1184
01:12:28,594 --> 01:12:30,077
out in California.
1185
01:12:31,008 --> 01:12:33,456
[narrator] Is that what
these photos are?
1186
01:12:33,491 --> 01:12:35,801
Photos sent
to her anonymously
1187
01:12:35,836 --> 01:12:38,594
by someone claiming
this boy named Bobby French
1188
01:12:38,629 --> 01:12:40,387
was Corll's last victim.
1189
01:12:44,629 --> 01:12:46,491
It is hard to look
at those pictures,
1190
01:12:46,525 --> 01:12:48,387
thinking he may have
been tortured
1191
01:12:48,422 --> 01:12:49,974
and killed
right afterwards.
1192
01:12:50,008 --> 01:12:52,594
It's very hard.
He looks like a nice boy.
1193
01:12:52,629 --> 01:12:54,284
However, it's also hard,
1194
01:12:54,318 --> 01:12:57,387
because the pictures
are somewhat suggestive,
1195
01:12:57,422 --> 01:13:00,525
and I don't know if he was
being used for something.
1196
01:13:03,215 --> 01:13:05,353
[narrator] Poses, typical
of the boys
1197
01:13:05,387 --> 01:13:06,836
found in
the pedophile catalogs
1198
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:11,629
of John David Norman
in Texas in 1973.
1199
01:13:11,663 --> 01:13:14,353
[Derrick] John Norman
had a business
1200
01:13:14,387 --> 01:13:18,008
and he had his catalogs
and he had photos
1201
01:13:18,043 --> 01:13:23,180
and he was sort of like
a modeling agency in a way.
1202
01:13:23,215 --> 01:13:27,905
So, I would not be surprised
if the photos of Bobby French
1203
01:13:27,939 --> 01:13:32,629
might not have been sort of,
uh, head-shots in a way,
1204
01:13:32,663 --> 01:13:35,491
and if John Norman had
connections with Corll,
1205
01:13:35,525 --> 01:13:37,284
I wouldn't be surprised.
1206
01:13:38,836 --> 01:13:41,905
[narrator]
Is Bobby French
Swimsuit boy?
1207
01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:45,698
And was he one of
Norman's roster of boys?
1208
01:13:45,732 --> 01:13:49,353
The answers may lie
back in Dallas in 1973.
1209
01:13:54,836 --> 01:13:57,387
At the time of the raid
on Norman's apartment,
1210
01:13:57,422 --> 01:13:59,663
Dean Corll's victims
were being unearthed
1211
01:13:59,698 --> 01:14:03,111
240 miles south in Houston.
1212
01:14:03,146 --> 01:14:05,594
According to
former detective,
R.C. Nelson,
1213
01:14:05,629 --> 01:14:07,111
who arrested Norman,
1214
01:14:07,146 --> 01:14:09,043
he found
Norman's client list
1215
01:14:09,077 --> 01:14:11,905
and hundreds of photos
of boys in his apartment.
1216
01:14:13,939 --> 01:14:15,974
[R.C. Nelson]
Some real prominent people,
1217
01:14:16,698 --> 01:14:19,629
phone numbers, addresses,
1218
01:14:19,663 --> 01:14:22,870
what kind of kid they like.
1219
01:14:22,905 --> 01:14:27,663
Had to be
hundreds... of people
1220
01:14:27,698 --> 01:14:29,111
all over the country.
1221
01:14:30,284 --> 01:14:33,077
[narrator] They came
from all walks of life.
1222
01:14:33,111 --> 01:14:35,560
Somewhere federal employees
in Washington
1223
01:14:35,594 --> 01:14:38,353
and some were
from the music world.
1224
01:14:38,387 --> 01:14:41,353
[Nelson] The head of a...
A big orchestra
1225
01:14:41,387 --> 01:14:44,249
was his name
printed on a card,
1226
01:14:44,939 --> 01:14:46,249
that my mother loved.
1227
01:14:48,111 --> 01:14:49,698
His cards said he liked...
1228
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:53,905
...the youngest
that he could get.
1229
01:14:53,939 --> 01:14:59,111
Blonde-haired
and fair-skinned kid.
1230
01:14:59,146 --> 01:15:03,594
Uh, I'm not sure
whatever wound up
with the cards.
1231
01:15:03,629 --> 01:15:05,870
It'd be nice
to have 'em now,
1232
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:17,318
[narrator] After the police
confiscated Norman's files
and cards in Dallas in 1973,
1233
01:15:17,353 --> 01:15:20,353
they were all sent
to the State Department.
1234
01:15:20,387 --> 01:15:21,353
They were destroyed.
1235
01:15:21,387 --> 01:15:24,111
Now why they would
destroy those cards?
1236
01:15:24,146 --> 01:15:27,146
Who knows if there
were politicians involved?
1237
01:15:27,180 --> 01:15:29,974
Who knows what names
were in these cards?
1238
01:15:30,008 --> 01:15:32,939
But the preponderance
of the cards were found
1239
01:15:32,974 --> 01:15:35,284
in other states.
1240
01:15:35,318 --> 01:15:38,318
[narrator]
Everywhere Norman set up
shop around the country,
1241
01:15:38,353 --> 01:15:40,629
his index cards were there.
1242
01:15:40,663 --> 01:15:42,353
Every time he was arrested,
1243
01:15:42,387 --> 01:15:44,146
they were confiscated.
1244
01:15:44,180 --> 01:15:46,146
Every time they
were confiscated,
1245
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:47,870
they disappeared,
1246
01:15:47,905 --> 01:15:50,939
just like in the Homewood,
Illinois, raid in '73.
1247
01:15:51,836 --> 01:15:53,146
[Frank Flannery] Gone.
1248
01:15:54,215 --> 01:15:55,594
I wish I could help you.
1249
01:15:56,318 --> 01:15:57,180
I don't know.
1250
01:15:59,180 --> 01:16:02,732
These people with power,
especially political power,
1251
01:16:02,767 --> 01:16:04,870
they can get
a lot of things erased.
1252
01:16:04,905 --> 01:16:06,836
They can get
a lot of stuff deep-sixed.
1253
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:08,422
So, you say,
"Were they deep sixed?"
1254
01:16:08,456 --> 01:16:10,491
Maybe. Maybe they were.
1255
01:16:12,249 --> 01:16:15,801
[narrator]
According to Norman,
there was no maybe about it.
1256
01:16:15,836 --> 01:16:17,905
The records
were destroyed.
1257
01:16:17,939 --> 01:16:19,767
He told Randy White,
1258
01:16:19,801 --> 01:16:22,249
if his client list
was ever made public,
1259
01:16:22,284 --> 01:16:24,353
it would set off
shockwaves.
1260
01:16:24,387 --> 01:16:26,663
"What scared the hell
out of everyone,
1261
01:16:26,698 --> 01:16:29,525
I think, was my mailing list.
1262
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,594
It included the names
of a number of noted judges,
1263
01:16:33,629 --> 01:16:36,043
legislators
and other officials."
1264
01:16:37,008 --> 01:16:38,387
[Nelson]
There's no doubt
in my mind
1265
01:16:38,422 --> 01:16:41,387
there weren't people in there
that would want 'em destroyed.
1266
01:16:41,422 --> 01:16:46,146
What happened to the cards
is certainly fishy.
1267
01:16:46,180 --> 01:16:47,629
[narrator] Despite the
Boy Scout convictions
1268
01:16:47,663 --> 01:16:50,491
in Louisiana in 1977,
1269
01:16:50,525 --> 01:16:52,387
federal authorities
turned a blind eye
1270
01:16:52,422 --> 01:16:55,732
to what detectives Stansbury
and Wicks uncovered.
1271
01:16:55,767 --> 01:17:01,456
Mountains of evidence
showing the extent of
the national pedophile ring.
1272
01:17:01,491 --> 01:17:05,422
[Gus Stansbury]
We had requested
the F.B.I.'s assistance
1273
01:17:05,456 --> 01:17:06,387
since it involved
1274
01:17:06,939 --> 01:17:09,146
multiple jurisdictions,
1275
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:11,870
and we had one agent
show up
1276
01:17:11,905 --> 01:17:12,767
and he spent about
1277
01:17:12,801 --> 01:17:14,836
four or five hours with us,
1278
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:16,560
taking notes,
and he was, like,
1279
01:17:17,284 --> 01:17:18,249
"Wow!"
1280
01:17:18,732 --> 01:17:20,180
And he said,
1281
01:17:20,215 --> 01:17:22,249
-"I'll be back in an hour"
-[Frank Wicks] And we're
still waiting.
1282
01:17:22,284 --> 01:17:25,284
That's 40 years ago.
1283
01:17:25,318 --> 01:17:26,905
[interviewer] Do you think
they could be sitting
1284
01:17:26,939 --> 01:17:28,456
-somewhere in a box...
-[Sneed] No.
1285
01:17:28,491 --> 01:17:31,629
-...at the base of
the State Department?
-They're gone. They're gone.
1286
01:17:31,663 --> 01:17:35,629
If these cards contain names,
they're gone.
1287
01:17:35,663 --> 01:17:37,560
[narrator] Not all of them.
1288
01:17:37,594 --> 01:17:39,387
Our production unearthed
footage from
1289
01:17:39,422 --> 01:17:42,663
a TV news archive
from 1973.
1290
01:17:42,698 --> 01:17:46,939
It shows Norman's cards
with his list of clients
from the Dallas raid.
1291
01:17:47,974 --> 01:17:49,974
We tracked down
some of the names.
1292
01:17:50,008 --> 01:17:53,146
Most were from Texas,
one was in Hawaii
1293
01:17:53,180 --> 01:17:55,801
and one was
a minister in California,
1294
01:17:55,836 --> 01:17:58,732
the founder of a church
in Palm Springs.
1295
01:17:58,767 --> 01:18:01,456
Many of the men
on those cards are dead.
1296
01:18:01,491 --> 01:18:03,629
None were ever charged
1297
01:18:03,663 --> 01:18:05,801
so we can't say their names.
1298
01:18:05,836 --> 01:18:10,525
As for the victims,
like Jerome Elam,
he knew the game all too well,
1299
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,491
You know you're given
a fake identity,
a fake name to use.
1300
01:18:13,525 --> 01:18:15,043
it can't be traced back
to you really are.
1301
01:18:15,077 --> 01:18:19,077
And so Colin
was one of the names that
I was given, among others.
1302
01:18:19,111 --> 01:18:25,077
It was all meant to disguise
who I truly was and keep me
below law enforcement's radar.
1303
01:18:25,111 --> 01:18:29,318
[narrator] After seven years
of fake names going from
one truck stop to another,
1304
01:18:29,353 --> 01:18:32,870
Jerome Elam
saw only one way out.
1305
01:18:32,905 --> 01:18:39,249
By the age of 12, I was
hopeless and it felt like, um,
my life had no value.
1306
01:18:39,284 --> 01:18:42,905
I went to my mother's
medicine cabinet, got
a bottle of sleeping pills,
1307
01:18:45,180 --> 01:18:47,043
and went
to the liquor cabinet,
got a bottle of vodka.
1308
01:18:48,836 --> 01:18:51,387
I went
to my mother's rose garden,
1309
01:18:51,422 --> 01:18:52,974
which she loved her roses
1310
01:18:53,008 --> 01:18:55,180
more than she loved me,
obviously.
1311
01:18:55,215 --> 01:18:57,939
I took the sleeping pills
and drank the vodka
and laid down.
1312
01:18:57,974 --> 01:18:59,801
and fell off to sleep.
1313
01:18:59,836 --> 01:19:03,215
At that point, you know,
I heard a voice speak to me,
1314
01:19:03,249 --> 01:19:06,387
saying that,
"Your time on this earth
isn't done yet.
1315
01:19:06,422 --> 01:19:09,629
"I want to go back
and work to save
other children,"
1316
01:19:09,663 --> 01:19:11,353
and I woke up
in the emergency room.
1317
01:19:11,387 --> 01:19:13,422
I had been gone
for three minutes.
1318
01:19:13,456 --> 01:19:18,180
From that point on,
I escaped the life
of being sexually exploited.
1319
01:19:19,594 --> 01:19:23,456
[narrator]
He rebuilt his life,
finished high school,
1320
01:19:23,491 --> 01:19:27,698
joined the Marines,
even married,
had children of his own.
1321
01:19:27,732 --> 01:19:30,905
He is now an advocate
for the victims
of child trafficking.
1322
01:19:30,939 --> 01:19:33,043
[Elam] One of the things
I tell victims, survivors,
1323
01:19:33,077 --> 01:19:37,905
is that
we have to look at our lives
like it is a blank page.
1324
01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:40,767
I don't care
what happened to you
yesterday or ten years ago.
1325
01:19:40,801 --> 01:19:43,180
You have a chance every day
to reinvent yourself.
1326
01:19:43,215 --> 01:19:44,767
There's always hope
in your heart.
1327
01:19:44,801 --> 01:19:49,180
It may be a pilot light,
but I learned
to ignite that flame
1328
01:19:49,215 --> 01:19:51,836
and let it drive me
to making a difference
1329
01:19:51,870 --> 01:19:53,939
in other children's life
in this world.
1330
01:19:55,249 --> 01:19:58,732
[narrator] Dean Corll,
killed by
one of his accomplices.
1331
01:19:58,767 --> 01:20:02,249
John Wayne Gacy, executed.
1332
01:20:02,284 --> 01:20:06,043
The Boy Scout pedophiles,
died in prison or escaped
1333
01:20:06,077 --> 01:20:07,905
and never paid
for their crimes.
1334
01:20:09,456 --> 01:20:12,870
As for the kingpin pedophile,
John Norman,
1335
01:20:12,905 --> 01:20:15,008
he hopped from one state
to the next
1336
01:20:15,043 --> 01:20:16,594
and was in and out of prison.
1337
01:20:18,801 --> 01:20:22,215
In 1987,
he was arrested
in Urbana, Illinois,
1338
01:20:22,249 --> 01:20:24,215
for stealing
his roommate's computer.
1339
01:20:25,939 --> 01:20:27,629
John Norman's mailing list
was about to go digital.
1340
01:20:34,801 --> 01:20:36,525
Chicago reporter Michael Sneed
1341
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,111
kept tabs on John Norman's
movements over the years.
1342
01:20:40,146 --> 01:20:43,870
In 2009, she caught up
with him in prison
in California.
1343
01:20:44,905 --> 01:20:46,767
[Michael Sneed]
He was about to get out,
1344
01:20:46,801 --> 01:20:49,077
but he had been deemed
so dangerous
1345
01:20:49,111 --> 01:20:53,560
he was going to go on trial
because there were laws
in California
1346
01:20:53,594 --> 01:20:55,629
where they could keep somebody
in prison
1347
01:20:55,663 --> 01:20:57,732
if they thought they'd be
a danger to society.
1348
01:20:58,836 --> 01:21:02,939
These are actual notes
I made longhand
1349
01:21:03,870 --> 01:21:05,249
while I was in trial.
1350
01:21:05,284 --> 01:21:11,491
"And here was this guy
that I had interviewed
in 1977,
1351
01:21:11,525 --> 01:21:17,525
"and now he is a man
with white hair
wearing white sacks,
1352
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,767
"large glasses,
big bushy eyebrows."
1353
01:21:20,801 --> 01:21:23,491
and I said that he looked
like an Irish priest.
1354
01:21:23,525 --> 01:21:26,318
Here's the picture of him.
1355
01:21:26,353 --> 01:21:29,249
I remember he had a mole
on his face
1356
01:21:29,284 --> 01:21:31,836
and he had this curly hair
and it was white.
1357
01:21:31,870 --> 01:21:36,387
He said, "I'd like to think
that I've done no harm
in my life,"
1358
01:21:36,422 --> 01:21:41,318
because, uh, whatever se
he had done was with
a consenting relationship.
1359
01:21:41,353 --> 01:21:45,663
Well, to these pedophiles,
consenting means
that child says, "OK,"
1360
01:21:45,698 --> 01:21:47,422
or a child
will go along with it.
1361
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,456
[narrator] John Norman
died in 2011
1362
01:21:51,491 --> 01:21:54,077
in a mental hospital
in California.
1363
01:21:54,111 --> 01:21:56,629
Whatever secrets he had
died with him,
1364
01:21:56,663 --> 01:22:00,043
the apex predator
of the 1970s,
1365
01:22:00,077 --> 01:22:03,732
his pedophile ring
stretched from coast to coast,
1366
01:22:03,767 --> 01:22:07,560
a man who turned
his obsession with young boys
into a business
1367
01:22:07,594 --> 01:22:09,698
who shipped children
to anyone,
1368
01:22:09,732 --> 01:22:13,043
judges and politicians,
for a price.
1369
01:22:13,077 --> 01:22:16,525
No one on his client list
ever paid for his crimes.
1370
01:22:17,387 --> 01:22:20,387
But Norman wasn't the last.
1371
01:22:20,422 --> 01:22:22,732
[Elam] With the advent
of the Internet,
the dark Web, um,
1372
01:22:22,767 --> 01:22:25,732
they've been more prolific
and able to have
a bigger outreach.
1373
01:22:25,767 --> 01:22:30,008
Things happen much faster
that did in the 1970s
with John Norman.
1374
01:22:30,043 --> 01:22:32,043
[Sneed] I think
the distribution pipeline
has changed,
1375
01:22:32,077 --> 01:22:33,732
but I think things are worse.
1376
01:22:33,767 --> 01:22:35,318
I think people are more aware,
1377
01:22:35,353 --> 01:22:40,180
but technology has become
this tunnel of perversion.
1378
01:22:40,215 --> 01:22:42,180
[Lt. Jason Moran]
A lot of people want to know,
1379
01:22:42,215 --> 01:22:48,249
"Are these monsters
out there today?"
and really operate in a way
1380
01:22:48,284 --> 01:22:51,491
where it's not obvious
that they're your neighbor,
1381
01:22:51,525 --> 01:22:55,215
perhaps a coworker,
and you're a fool
1382
01:22:55,249 --> 01:22:59,422
just like the people
who knew John Gacy
were fooled.
1383
01:22:59,456 --> 01:23:02,077
[Sheriff Tom Dart]
The Internet world
has taken all of these
1384
01:23:02,111 --> 01:23:03,939
different horrible issues
we have
1385
01:23:03,974 --> 01:23:05,905
and literally put them
on steroids.
1386
01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:08,146
In as far as instant access,
1387
01:23:08,180 --> 01:23:10,801
oh, my God,
it's never been so easy.
1388
01:23:10,836 --> 01:23:14,491
[Elam]
The network right now,
these individuals
1389
01:23:14,525 --> 01:23:18,146
typically live in chat rooms
on the dark web.
1390
01:23:18,180 --> 01:23:21,215
The price of admission
to these chat rooms
1391
01:23:21,249 --> 01:23:23,905
is to send a video of yourself
molesting a child.
1392
01:23:23,939 --> 01:23:27,284
It's the dot com
of pedophiles and depravity.
1393
01:23:27,318 --> 01:23:29,077
You can find just about
anything you want.
1394
01:23:29,111 --> 01:23:31,974
I mean, pedophile networks
all over the world,
you could connect with them.
1395
01:23:33,801 --> 01:23:36,767
[Dr. Willa Wertheimer]
The perpetrators
aren't hunted down.
1396
01:23:36,801 --> 01:23:38,767
If you look
at the Epstein case,
1397
01:23:38,801 --> 01:23:43,043
how many of his accomplices,
his procurers,
1398
01:23:44,077 --> 01:23:46,146
how many of them
have been tracked down?
1399
01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:48,043
You know,
I double dog dare them
1400
01:23:48,077 --> 01:23:50,146
to go after
Epstein's accomplices,
1401
01:23:52,146 --> 01:23:54,663
[Elam] The ones who have
the wealth and the power
1402
01:23:54,698 --> 01:23:56,974
are the ones
that continue to do this
1403
01:23:57,008 --> 01:24:00,008
and just have not been
yet brought to justice.
1404
01:24:01,318 --> 01:24:04,525
[narrator]
Norman and his nationwide
sex trafficking ring
1405
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,353
victimized hundreds of boys
across America in the 70s.
1406
01:24:08,387 --> 01:24:11,456
And between them, Dean Corll
and John Wayne Gacy
1407
01:24:11,491 --> 01:24:14,905
murdered more than
60 young males
that we know of.
1408
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,456
[Moran] I'd like to believe
that a Gacy case
1409
01:24:19,491 --> 01:24:23,663
couldn't happen again,
but I'm constantly reminded
1410
01:24:23,698 --> 01:24:24,974
that it's possible.
1411
01:24:26,318 --> 01:24:28,111
[Dr. Wertheimer]
There are more Andys.
1412
01:24:28,146 --> 01:24:30,629
There's more Andys
that haven't even been born.
1413
01:24:32,043 --> 01:24:35,560
[narrator]
In September of 2020,
promising news.
1414
01:24:35,594 --> 01:24:37,801
DNA from Gacy's
victim number five
1415
01:24:37,836 --> 01:24:41,215
produced a family name
in the genealogical database,
1416
01:24:41,249 --> 01:24:45,215
a lead to a family line
from another state,
not Illinois.
1417
01:24:45,249 --> 01:24:47,767
Lieutenant Moran's
detective work begins.
1418
01:24:47,801 --> 01:24:49,491
He's now
tracking down the family
1419
01:24:49,525 --> 01:24:53,111
to see
if they have been searching
for a missing relative.
1420
01:24:53,146 --> 01:24:56,801
Victim number 28
remains unidentified.
1421
01:24:56,836 --> 01:24:59,939
And for now,
Dean Corll's last victim.
1422
01:24:59,974 --> 01:25:02,698
Swimsuit Boy,
is also without a name.
119998
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.