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So...
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tell me about yourself.
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What would you like to know?
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I don't know, just the basics.
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Erm...
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Where are you from, what do you do in life...
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besides...
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Erm...
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Well, my name's Sebastian.
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I'm twenty-four.
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- From Edinburgh. - Oh...
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I thought I heard an accent.
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Are you okay? - Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah. Good. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. - Get on your back.
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Oh yeah.
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I'm getting close. Do you want me to come?
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Oh fuck, yeah. Yeah, yeah. - Are you sure?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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So tell me about yourself.
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What would you like to know?
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Oh, I don't know, just the basics. Erm...
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I must admit, I was a bit worried
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when you wouldn't send a face pic, but...
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you're very handsome.
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Are you quite new to this?
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Max, how is the Marloan review coming along?
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You'll have it by Friday. Let's just say...
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sophomore slump is a kind way of putting it.
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For LLF, they've just announced Alina Casaro.
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I would love to... - There's been some indication
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she might give an interview, but we've all heard that before.
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As for Easton Ellis,
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his people just confirmed this morning.
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I think this one's for you. - But didn't I ask first?
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Actually, I think Max beat you to it, but in any case,
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I do think it best
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that queer writers cover queer authors.
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Shouldn't anyone be able to write about anything?
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That's a very cis-hetero response.
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What does cis have to do with it?
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I thought that the priority here was quality reporting,
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not optics.
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It's not about optics.
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It's about sensibility,
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sensitivity.
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Just do me the favor and run those questions by me, Max.
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I trust that you know what to ask, but I need to see them
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because we may lead with it.
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They're not that apparent to me.
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I really tend not to write about my life at all.
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People point to the story in The Informers called In the Islands,
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which is about a father who takes his son...
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Seriously, it's like a religious experience,
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the new one.
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Reading it I really feel changed as a person.
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Sorry, I know I sound like a twat.
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She's only given one interview in, like, eight years.
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Dunno how her publisher let her get away with it?
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I think the mystique is part of it.
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Like, you actually have to read any of her work
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to understand anything about her.
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It should be out today.
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- Wow.
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So fucking cool.
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I just don't think it stands out.
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It's so unpolished. - What?
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No.
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It's exactly that rawness that makes it work so well.
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The way you capture the intimacy between the lovers and...
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you know, then how it suddenly turns to distance.
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Yeah, collapsing those two timeframes together like that
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in one moment is...
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fantastic.
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I mean, yeah, it's atmospheric, sure, but...
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Is it really saying anything? - Max...
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Not everything needs to be some grand statement
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if it's well-observed, if it's truthful.
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This comes from the heart.
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And that's why it works.
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I really don't think this could've been written by someone
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who... hadn't lived it.
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I can't just be stuck writing short stories
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and reviewing other people's work
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for the rest of my life, Amna.
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Do you know how old Bret Easton Ellis was
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when he published his first novel?
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Twenty-one.
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Zadie Smith?
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I'm already late.
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Hi.
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Come on in.
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Okay.
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You're a great kisser.
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Thanks.
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Sorry, it's a bit messy in here.
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The cleaner is coming tomorrow.
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Just got back from New York this morning.
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Oh, nice. Erm... Business or pleasure?
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Business, unfortunately.
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Always business.
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Do you want a drink? - Yeah, I'd love one.
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Wine?
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Whatever you're having is great.
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Okay, kid.
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You've got a beautiful place. - Thank you.
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It's just for work days. The weekends I spend in Kent.
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With the family, you know.
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Oh yeah.
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Are you gonna make me come? - Yeah.
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Keep going.
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Keep going.
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Do you always have sex like that?
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Did you like it?
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You know the answer.
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Do you know...
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most of the people on that website are just awful.
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Have you... had bad experiences?
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Disappointments. - Hm.
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It's so rare to find someone like you on there.
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I mean...
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people lie about their age.
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Or height or dick size.
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It's all exaggeration.
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Some of them aren't even gay.
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Can't get it hard with a man.
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It's so nice that not everyone is deceptive.
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"Sebastian stood by the window over London,
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looking at both the city and himself with a new perspective.
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As Daniel casually mentioned his family,
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he felt suddenly complicit in a cliché,
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acting out another role, but one he hadn't cast himself in.
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Daniel's hands found him and pulled at his skin and flesh
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as hungrily as a mouth seeking water in the desert.
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He didn't just want , he needed.
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This was the relief he had from his family,
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his job, his other life.
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Sebastian in that moment felt that he was living
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more authentically than Daniel."
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That's good. - So good.
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Did you speak to actual prostitutes for your research?
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I think Gloria means sex workers.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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What initially drew me to the topic
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was a piece I did for Wall Magazine last year
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on students who escort.
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I guess I was struck by how casually some of them
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talked about the work. Erm...
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They weren't really ashamed of it at all.
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They saw very little stigma in it anymore.
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And some of them had such a sense of professionalism
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in the way that they set themselves up as entrepreneurs
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or market themselves online.
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There was almost this erm... sense of pride.
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Anyway, I couldn't stop thinking about
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some of the people I interviewed
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and just felt like I had to write about it.
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I thought it was all OnlyFans now.
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Yeah. People do that, too.
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But a screen will never replace touch.
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Hm... It's an easier way to earn though.
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Hm, to cultivate an audience
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that'll make you any significant money
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takes a lot of work. - Yeah.
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But you don't physically need to interact.
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Yeah, but some people do just really enjoy sex though.
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They might not want videos of themselves online forever.
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I know someone that used to do it,
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when they were young of course.
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They didn't mind it.
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And I asked her honestly
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whether she didn't find some of the men repulsive.
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For her, it wasn't about them, the clients.
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It was about her. - That's just...
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The idea that I'm like Patrick Bateman because I described
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a woman-hating man, that I am that man as well,
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is just a load of... bunk.
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The book that I had problems with was the first one
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because everyone assumed it was autobiographical
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and my family is really nothing like the family in that book.
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So that was the one I felt might have been the hardest
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for you and Dad to take because it was erm...
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To an outsider it was the most autobiographical.
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I don't think the content upset me.
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The fact that it was such a tremendous hit
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and it affected you so much at such an early age,
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that had much more impact on me
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than the content of what you'd written.
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Listen, as a writer
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I guess I tend to be a bit of a sociologist and I guess I tend
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to be drawn to things that are happening in the culture
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and incorporate...
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I know it's superficial,
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but you are a young, not unattractive guy
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and you shouldn't be afraid to use that.
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It's just...
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I'm not really big on social media.
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I find it to be a distraction.
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I don't want anything complicated,
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just a couple of quality posts every week.
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I'm afraid nobody gets to say they're above it these days.
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And what about the... novel?
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Did you get a chance to look at the pages?
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I have to say, I wasn't thrilled
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when you said you were writing about sex work.
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You're aware there's no shortage of treatises on the topic.
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But...
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I think it is alive.
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Really intimate.
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And you might have found a fresh perspective on it.
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I do realize it is a sort of...
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stock character of queer literature, but...
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this new generation of sex workers
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are all using technology.
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The digital hustler.
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Yeah. Something like that. - Hm.
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Unfortunately, I can't offer you an advance,
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but it would be fantastic if after the stories
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we can get your debut novel published already next year.
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How soon do you think you could get me a full draft?
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Erm... Couple of months? - Oh really. That soon?
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Don't want to rush it. - Yeah.
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I've got to do more research. Erm, interviews.
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Yes. I understand.
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Sorry.
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Did you have any notes on the pages?
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Yes.
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There was one bigger thing I've been wondering about.
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Have you thought about setting it in the first person?
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Almost like a memoir.
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A pseudo memoir.
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It's not something I'd thought about.
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I mean, it might not work.
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I just think there's something there.
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- Get the door. Get the door. - I got it.
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This calls for celebration.
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It's just a couple of chapters so far.
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Max, it's gonna be amazing.
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I have faith in you.
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Hi.
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Have we met?
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Don't think so.
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Where do you go to uni? You look so familiar.
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UCL, but I finished a while ago, so...
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What's your name?
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Erm... Max. I'm Max.
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Are you sure?
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Hey. Let me just grab my jacket. I'll come for a smoke.
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Erm... Actually, I'm gonna have to go.
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I just remembered I've got a deadline.
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Oh... Grindr calls. - It's... It's not that.
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Well, it was very nice to meet you.
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So, I read your new pages.
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I think the character is really intriguing
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and your prose is vivid as ever,
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but I just wonder if it gets a little repetitive.
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This series of the same kinds of erm... encounters
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with generally always older men.
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I'm just wondering what it might look like
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to see him in a slightly different situation.
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Only to give it a bit more variety
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and maybe to explore how he might react to a new context.
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Also, I was just a little thrown
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by the bit about Sebastian's erm...
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intermittent feelings of shame and the erm...
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how did you put it...
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shame about shame, which definitely makes sense,
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but it's just that I thought you said
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you were struck by how little shame
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your interviewers felt.
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I'll send you my new chapters tonight.
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Anxious to get your thoughts before the submission.
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Hey, Sebastian. - Hi.
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Glad you could make it. Come on through.
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We got friends over. I hope you don't mind.
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Oh... Nice, Sam. - Hello.
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What's your name, son? Come on in.
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Can I fix you a drink?
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We have vodka, gin, wine. Erm, I think...
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Or would you prefer a shot?
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Actually, I think I'm gonna go.
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No. No, wait. Wait, wait, wait.
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Stay. Please.
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You didn't tell me it was a group thing. I don't do that.
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Why not?
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Please, stay.
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I'll make it worth your while
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if that's what you're worried about.
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It's late.
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We'll have fun. I promise.
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You didn't want it?
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You put more in yours.
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Okay. I don't see well. And after, you drink slowly.
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So erm... where did you come from tonight?
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Just from home. - And where's home?
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Erm... East.
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Phone, please. You get it back when you go.
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We put them away when we party. House rules.
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Just so everyone can relax. It's to protect us all.
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Yeah, you know. From any sneaky pornographers.
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Or rather, it's because our lovely hosts here
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wouldn't want to be pictured with the likes of you, Jacopo.
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Fuck you. - Hey, whoa. Careful. Come on.
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Turn it off if you want.
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I'm just going to put it in a drawer.
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Okay.
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Want some?
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What is it?
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Mephedrone.
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Do you notice the difference?
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I didn't say.
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The other one wasn't bad, but this stuff is a lot speedier.
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Are you okay? You weren't in the meeting.
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I need your piece ASAP and your questions for Bret.
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Are you not coming in at all today?
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Give me a call when you get this, please.
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So tell us, where did you come from tonight?
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Fuck him. Fuck him.
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Like it, Carlo?
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Oh fuck. - It's good, right? Yeah.
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I think they enjoyed that.
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00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:25,500
You're new to this, aren't you?
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So have you erm...
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00:33:33,833 --> 00:33:35,458
been here before?
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00:33:35,708 --> 00:33:38,166
Yeah, I've been over a couple of times.
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They like to get trashed once a month or so.
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Who are they?
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00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:48,000
Like, what do they do?
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Both lawyers. Hence the phones.
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I have no idea what kind, but...
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they can afford to be generous.
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Where did he find you?
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Erm...
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00:34:09,416 --> 00:34:13,083
Dreamy... guys.
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00:34:13,291 --> 00:34:15,791
Yeah, I can see why he picked you.
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00:34:21,291 --> 00:34:23,916
We should collab, you know.
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OnlyFans.
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00:34:29,041 --> 00:34:32,166
I don't think I want to be that erm... public.
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00:34:33,166 --> 00:34:35,708
You'd do so well though.
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00:34:40,416 --> 00:34:42,833
Do you think so? - Hm.
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00:34:43,458 --> 00:34:45,166
Yeah.
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00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:50,458
You've got that wholesome boy-next-door thing going on.
344
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But it's all filth underneath.
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00:34:57,083 --> 00:35:00,291
Why don't you think about it. Hm?
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What I find interesting now
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is that there is this kind of anti-sex thing going on
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00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:26,458
in a way in terms of... In a lot of the reviews in America,
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they complained about how much sex was in the book,
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which surprised me because I don't think it was that much.
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Morning. - Hey.
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Max. Good to see you. - Hi.
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Meeting's in five. - Yeah. Thanks.
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00:35:44,041 --> 00:35:46,166
Amna is doing the Rachel Cusk interview,
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Fazel has the Design Biennale. Max...
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00:35:49,333 --> 00:35:52,041
Erm... I've got Bret. - Change of plans.
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00:35:52,291 --> 00:35:55,750
You're going to Ecotec today for the app launch.
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00:35:55,916 --> 00:35:58,125
Erm... But I'm interviewing Bret.
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00:35:58,291 --> 00:36:01,375
No. James is taking care of Bret.
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00:36:01,541 --> 00:36:03,833
But erm... Max is like an expert.
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00:36:04,083 --> 00:36:06,166
He was here on Friday for the LLF meeting
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and has prepared for it.
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00:36:11,833 --> 00:36:13,541
But that's not even our section.
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00:36:13,708 --> 00:36:17,333
What makes the existence of this magazine possible?
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00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:19,833
Do you think literature pays for itself?
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00:36:20,416 --> 00:36:23,250
And please hurry up with the Slimani review.
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00:36:23,416 --> 00:36:25,750
It should've gone up by now.
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00:36:28,166 --> 00:36:30,250
I know, it's fucked up.
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00:36:30,625 --> 00:36:34,500
But... why didn't you come in on Friday?
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00:36:35,875 --> 00:36:37,666
I told you.
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00:36:37,833 --> 00:36:40,708
I hooked up with someone and I fell asleep at their place.
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00:36:44,375 --> 00:36:48,875
You know, I really could've used your feedback on my pages.
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Fuck, erm...
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00:36:55,541 --> 00:36:58,916
I'm sorry. I'll look at them tonight. I promise.
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00:36:59,166 --> 00:37:03,166
I've already submitted it. The deadline was yesterday?
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00:37:10,416 --> 00:37:12,291
...intuitive interface,
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00:37:12,458 --> 00:37:15,208
so all you'll be doing is swiping left or right,
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00:37:15,375 --> 00:37:17,500
which I'm sure you can all manage.
379
00:37:17,666 --> 00:37:20,083
This time the best part is that you won't even have
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to take an awkward stranger out for a drink.
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00:37:24,291 --> 00:37:27,875
Now, we have spots in our software
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where you can share ideas, brainstorm,
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make parking lots for your research and development...
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So this is Max from Wall Magazine.
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Joan, our Head Developer.
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Pleasure to meet you, Max. - Hi.
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Shall we sit down over here?
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00:37:58,750 --> 00:38:00,166
Yeah.
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00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:01,791
Where do we begin?
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00:38:02,041 --> 00:38:04,250
Has anybody demonstrated to you how the app works?
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00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:05,958
Yeah, they have.
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I can tell you more about the development process
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or how we came about our user interface, or the design.
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00:38:18,625 --> 00:38:21,041
Actually, I think erm...
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I've got enough.
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00:38:23,291 --> 00:38:26,166
Oh no, you really want to talk to Joan about this.
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00:38:26,333 --> 00:38:28,166
She pretty much spearheaded the project.
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00:38:28,333 --> 00:38:29,916
It's not necessary. The presentation
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00:38:30,166 --> 00:38:33,583
covered everything, so... I'm gonna have to be off.
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00:38:34,041 --> 00:38:35,166
Thank you so much.
401
00:38:35,833 --> 00:38:37,458
No. I'm sorry. We're not done here.
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00:38:37,708 --> 00:38:39,791
Joan needs to be a part of this piece.
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00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:05,208
Did you find your way here okay?
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00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:08,208
Yeah. No problems.
405
00:39:08,375 --> 00:39:12,250
I know it can be a little unintuitive from the station.
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00:39:12,666 --> 00:39:14,833
Where did you say you live again?
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00:39:15,416 --> 00:39:17,916
In Hackney. - Oh right, yes.
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00:39:18,083 --> 00:39:20,250
Hackney has really come up, hasn't it?
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00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,583
It wasn't that long ago no one wanted to go near it,
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00:39:22,833 --> 00:39:24,166
let alone live there.
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00:39:24,708 --> 00:39:29,750
I remember when it was just gangs and drug dealers and...
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00:39:32,583 --> 00:39:33,958
Can I offer you a drink?
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00:39:34,625 --> 00:39:38,000
I've opened some Primitivo.
414
00:39:40,875 --> 00:39:43,708
I'm grateful to have had my career when I did.
415
00:39:43,958 --> 00:39:47,708
Starting out in the seventies was an absolute joy.
416
00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:50,791
Tertiary education was free.
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00:39:50,958 --> 00:39:54,833
The pursuit of knowledge was regarded as an end in itself.
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00:39:56,250 --> 00:40:00,166
Speaking with post-doctorates now,
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00:40:00,333 --> 00:40:03,250
the situation seems just dire.
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00:40:03,416 --> 00:40:06,166
I don't know how they manage to cope with all that...
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00:40:06,333 --> 00:40:08,625
uncertainty and debt.
422
00:40:14,916 --> 00:40:17,916
You're erm... studying, aren't you?
423
00:40:20,958 --> 00:40:23,083
I thought your profile mentioned that.
424
00:40:26,291 --> 00:40:28,333
Yeah, erm...
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00:40:28,583 --> 00:40:32,000
I'm doing my masters. - Oh, what in?
426
00:40:33,291 --> 00:40:35,458
French literature.
427
00:40:35,708 --> 00:40:37,125
That's wonderful.
428
00:40:37,291 --> 00:40:40,583
I used to lecture in comparative literature.
429
00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:44,208
Do you know what you're going to do your thesis on yet?
430
00:40:45,208 --> 00:40:48,166
Yeah. I think so, erm...
431
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,333
But I don't want to bore you. - Oh, you couldn't.
432
00:40:52,583 --> 00:40:55,041
I live for that stuff.
433
00:40:58,958 --> 00:41:02,416
I haven't...
434
00:41:09,625 --> 00:41:13,708
Sorry, could we just keep talking for now?
435
00:41:18,708 --> 00:41:21,125
Are you sure?
436
00:41:29,416 --> 00:41:30,958
Please.
437
00:41:37,875 --> 00:41:44,083
I just want to get to know you better first. There's no rush.
438
00:42:41,375 --> 00:42:46,000
I hope you're all as excited and as honored as I am
439
00:42:46,166 --> 00:42:48,500
to welcome onto the stage tonight
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00:42:48,666 --> 00:42:51,916
an author whose decade-spanning body of work
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00:42:52,083 --> 00:42:54,375
has not only left an indelible mark
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00:42:54,541 --> 00:42:57,208
on 20th and 21st century literature,
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00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:59,791
but someone who I can also say
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00:42:59,958 --> 00:43:02,333
has had a profound influence on the way
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00:43:02,583 --> 00:43:05,458
many writers of my generation, myself included,
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00:43:05,708 --> 00:43:08,916
have come to view the role of the writer in society.
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00:43:09,166 --> 00:43:11,958
Please join me in welcoming onto the stage
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00:43:12,208 --> 00:43:15,958
the winner of both the Goncourt and Booker Prizes,
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00:43:16,208 --> 00:43:19,416
the author of the devastatingly brilliant Blackwater,
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00:43:19,583 --> 00:43:23,833
her 18th novel, Alina Casaro.
451
00:43:33,333 --> 00:43:34,916
I mean,
452
00:43:35,166 --> 00:43:36,666
you were fucking incredible.
453
00:43:36,833 --> 00:43:39,250
That question about the influence of erm...
454
00:43:39,416 --> 00:43:42,708
Oh no no no. I don't want to talk to her.
455
00:43:43,125 --> 00:43:45,416
After she rejected my manuscript. So embarrassing.
456
00:43:45,583 --> 00:43:48,375
Max, hi. - Hi.
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00:43:50,666 --> 00:43:53,833
Erm... Amna, is it? - Yes.
458
00:43:54,083 --> 00:43:57,000
Brilliant job on that Q&A. - Oh, thank you.
459
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:59,541
You really managed to drill down deeply.
460
00:43:59,791 --> 00:44:01,000
Thanks.
461
00:44:01,166 --> 00:44:04,083
I've got to ask. How did you randle that?
462
00:44:04,875 --> 00:44:07,833
Oh well... I interviewed her for Wall
463
00:44:08,083 --> 00:44:10,583
and then she asked me to interview her here.
464
00:44:12,375 --> 00:44:15,166
Max, I've got a couple of people indoor
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00:44:15,416 --> 00:44:16,625
that I'd really love you to meet,
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00:44:16,791 --> 00:44:18,041
if you can spare him for a moment.
467
00:44:18,208 --> 00:44:20,208
Yes, be my guest. - Okay.
468
00:44:20,375 --> 00:44:24,208
Erm... Amna, why don't you come by the office.
469
00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:27,916
We can have a chat about whatever you're working on.
470
00:44:28,083 --> 00:44:29,250
Yeah. That'd be great.
471
00:44:29,916 --> 00:44:32,333
I'm always on the lookout for a fresh voice like yours.
472
00:44:33,375 --> 00:44:34,875
Brilliant.
473
00:44:36,041 --> 00:44:37,750
Ready?
474
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,750
Just so you're aware,
475
00:44:39,916 --> 00:44:43,583
Joy is on the panel for the Polari Prize. Okay?
476
00:44:44,875 --> 00:44:48,083
Hi. Can I please introduce Max.
477
00:44:48,333 --> 00:44:49,750
He's one of our latest discoveries.
478
00:44:49,916 --> 00:44:51,083
Ian. - Hi.
479
00:44:51,333 --> 00:44:52,541
Charmed. - Nice to meet you.
480
00:44:52,708 --> 00:44:54,750
Ian runs the London Review. - Wow.
481
00:44:54,916 --> 00:44:56,208
Dionne is being far too generous.
482
00:44:56,375 --> 00:44:58,041
I merely oversee it nowadays.
483
00:44:58,208 --> 00:45:00,291
I leave the daily business to...
484
00:45:00,458 --> 00:45:01,791
well, to the younger generation.
485
00:45:01,958 --> 00:45:04,500
Joy is with the Arts Council. - Hello.
486
00:45:04,666 --> 00:45:06,458
Lovely to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
487
00:45:06,708 --> 00:45:09,791
So, what are you working on? - A couple of things
488
00:45:09,958 --> 00:45:12,583
at the moment. Erm...
489
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:15,166
We're really proud to be publishing
490
00:45:15,333 --> 00:45:17,541
some of Max's short stories.
491
00:45:17,791 --> 00:45:20,041
He's already had one in Granta a few months ago
492
00:45:20,291 --> 00:45:24,375
and another has been nominated for the Bridport.
493
00:45:24,541 --> 00:45:26,583
That's wonderful. - Oh, good. Well done.
494
00:45:26,833 --> 00:45:28,500
Congratulations. - Thank you.
495
00:45:28,666 --> 00:45:32,291
And currently, he's working hard on quite a tantalizing novel
496
00:45:32,541 --> 00:45:35,333
that we're hoping to publish next year, all going well.
497
00:45:35,583 --> 00:45:37,708
No doubt we'll be covering you on our pages soon.
498
00:45:37,958 --> 00:45:39,708
Certainly one for the radar.
499
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,500
You look awfully young to be getting published.
500
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:45,583
How old are you, Max? - I am twenty-five.
501
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:49,041
Oh... Well, perfection.
502
00:45:50,708 --> 00:45:52,875
So, what's your novel about?
503
00:45:53,875 --> 00:45:58,500
Erm, it's about a student who erm...
504
00:45:58,958 --> 00:46:00,916
who...
505
00:46:05,916 --> 00:46:08,750
It's about sex work in the digital age.
506
00:46:08,916 --> 00:46:10,916
Good, good.
507
00:46:11,166 --> 00:46:13,958
Max is exploring it as perhaps just another job
508
00:46:14,208 --> 00:46:17,375
amongst many other jobs in the gig economy.
509
00:46:17,541 --> 00:46:22,583
Erm... I... I just remembered that I've left something.
510
00:46:22,833 --> 00:46:25,416
I'm so sorry, I will have to excuse myself, erm...
511
00:46:26,291 --> 00:46:29,208
I'm sorry. Thanks.
512
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:19,416
...it's not very fluffy. What can she do?
513
00:49:19,666 --> 00:49:22,791
So that's Emily's idea of a dilemma, is it?
514
00:49:22,958 --> 00:49:24,791
She's got a busy life,
515
00:49:24,958 --> 00:49:27,541
she wants to make a nice cake for her party.
516
00:49:27,791 --> 00:49:29,375
So in the morning, she's bothering people
517
00:49:29,541 --> 00:49:31,041
with that sponge cake.
518
00:49:31,208 --> 00:49:32,958
Oh, you know... - It is true.
519
00:49:43,666 --> 00:49:45,708
Hi, Mum.
520
00:49:48,083 --> 00:49:50,750
Yeah, I'm good.
521
00:49:50,916 --> 00:49:52,958
How are you?
522
00:49:58,833 --> 00:50:01,375
You're already in bed?
523
00:50:06,125 --> 00:50:09,625
All right then. Yeah, that's fine. I can call tomorrow.
524
00:50:12,958 --> 00:50:16,333
No. Nothing's the matter. Don't worry.
525
00:50:23,166 --> 00:50:25,833
Yeah. Okay.
526
00:50:27,375 --> 00:50:29,500
Good night.
527
00:50:31,791 --> 00:50:33,916
Love you.
528
00:50:46,708 --> 00:50:49,458
Yeah, it had almost a dystopian vibe to it.
529
00:50:49,625 --> 00:50:51,416
Yeah.
530
00:50:51,583 --> 00:50:55,583
I thought it was very honest. So thank you for that, Joel.
531
00:50:57,458 --> 00:51:01,333
Okay, let's move on to Max.
532
00:51:01,583 --> 00:51:04,708
What do you have for us today?
533
00:51:07,666 --> 00:51:09,125
"Although no one seemed to have been able
534
00:51:09,291 --> 00:51:11,541
to detect the signs leading up to it,
535
00:51:11,708 --> 00:51:13,958
they were all afterwards in mournful apprehension
536
00:51:14,208 --> 00:51:15,875
that they had been there.
537
00:51:16,041 --> 00:51:19,750
Everywhere. Undetected like an odorless, poisonous gas.
538
00:51:20,333 --> 00:51:22,375
The morning had been routine.
539
00:51:22,791 --> 00:51:24,333
Another identical link
540
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,208
in a chain of silvery summer days at Dunbar."
541
00:51:29,416 --> 00:51:31,625
There we go, guys. Cheers.
542
00:51:33,666 --> 00:51:34,833
I liked your poem.
543
00:51:35,958 --> 00:51:37,541
Yeah?
544
00:51:37,708 --> 00:51:39,125
Yeah.
545
00:51:40,166 --> 00:51:43,041
It captured that sense of urban loneliness really well.
546
00:51:45,125 --> 00:51:48,875
Did it... resonate with you?
547
00:51:50,666 --> 00:51:55,500
I doubt those feelings are entirely foreign to anyone
548
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:57,083
who's single in London.
549
00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:06,125
What happened to...
550
00:52:06,291 --> 00:52:08,750
what was his name? Sebastian.
551
00:52:11,875 --> 00:52:14,083
I don't know. I just...
552
00:52:14,333 --> 00:52:18,333
I felt like that story wasn't going anywhere new.
553
00:52:18,583 --> 00:52:20,458
I didn't know where to take it next.
554
00:52:23,041 --> 00:52:25,291
I wanted to hear more.
555
00:53:21,291 --> 00:53:24,791
Do you like that? - Yeah. Yeah, I do.
556
00:53:29,833 --> 00:53:33,166
Do you like my cock? - Yeah, fuck me.
557
00:53:43,875 --> 00:53:46,500
Stop.
558
00:53:46,916 --> 00:53:49,416
Please, stop. Stop, stop. Slow down.
559
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:53,125
Sorry. - That's okay.
560
00:53:54,416 --> 00:54:00,791
It's all right. Don't worry.
561
00:54:08,958 --> 00:54:12,416
It's not a porno.
562
00:54:56,458 --> 00:54:58,291
Did you and Dad get round to watching that show
563
00:54:58,541 --> 00:55:00,250
I told you about?
564
00:55:00,416 --> 00:55:03,833
We started it, but I had to turn it off after fifteen minutes.
565
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,625
I don't know why every program nowadays has to be like that.
566
00:55:06,791 --> 00:55:08,250
Just so vulgar.
567
00:55:08,416 --> 00:55:12,083
Oh, Mum. You should have stuck with it.
568
00:55:25,458 --> 00:55:27,541
Do you have anything for the wash?
569
00:55:27,708 --> 00:55:29,208
No.
570
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:38,541
I read your story.
571
00:55:40,458 --> 00:55:42,416
I thought it was very beautiful.
572
00:55:42,583 --> 00:55:44,708
Which one do you mean?
573
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:49,958
His Breath. The one in the magazine.
574
00:55:52,666 --> 00:55:54,166
How did you...
575
00:55:54,333 --> 00:55:57,541
I do know how to use the internet, you know.
576
00:56:01,541 --> 00:56:04,416
I thought it was very touching.
577
00:56:05,958 --> 00:56:07,625
But...
578
00:56:10,875 --> 00:56:13,541
It made me worry about you.
579
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:17,250
But it's fiction, Mum.
580
00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:20,916
But it has to come from somewhere, doesn't it?
581
00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:30,958
I just worry about you
582
00:56:31,125 --> 00:56:33,250
being by yourself in London.
583
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:37,541
I have friends.
584
00:56:41,333 --> 00:56:44,375
Has there been anybody else since...
585
00:56:46,125 --> 00:56:48,833
You never talk about these things.
586
00:56:50,791 --> 00:56:55,458
No, because I have honestly got to focus on work right now.
587
00:56:55,625 --> 00:56:58,083
I should be staff at the magazine soon.
588
00:56:58,333 --> 00:57:00,500
They've got a new position coming up.
589
00:57:04,708 --> 00:57:08,083
Do you have to write about such personal things?
590
00:57:10,916 --> 00:57:13,875
You do have the right to keep some things
591
00:57:14,041 --> 00:57:16,125
just for yourself, you know.
592
00:57:26,041 --> 00:57:27,583
Hey.
593
00:57:27,833 --> 00:57:29,541
I've sent you the version with the latest edits.
594
00:57:29,708 --> 00:57:31,833
We've picked the images and they're in Proof now.
595
00:57:32,083 --> 00:57:36,041
I'll get started with the Husmann review next.
596
00:57:36,291 --> 00:57:38,083
Max, come in.
597
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:51,375
I've got some not great news for you.
598
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:56,833
Our editorial board, now that we have a new staff editor...
599
00:57:57,083 --> 00:57:58,791
You mean James.
600
00:57:59,583 --> 00:58:03,916
They are looking to shift their emphasis away from freelancers.
601
00:58:04,083 --> 00:58:08,375
So unfortunately, the pieces that we discussed for next month
602
00:58:08,541 --> 00:58:12,375
are going to be done in-house. - Right.
603
00:58:14,083 --> 00:58:16,416
So is there anything for me to do?
604
00:58:16,833 --> 00:58:18,291
I'm afraid not.
605
00:58:22,958 --> 00:58:25,791
Sorry, but wasn't my piece one of the most read last month
606
00:58:25,958 --> 00:58:27,541
and the month before that too?
607
00:58:27,791 --> 00:58:31,291
Max, I get the feeling that our magazine
608
00:58:31,458 --> 00:58:34,041
hasn't exactly been your top priority of late,
609
00:58:34,208 --> 00:58:36,833
so I wouldn't want us to keep you
610
00:58:37,083 --> 00:58:40,125
away from whatever it is you'd rather be doing.
611
00:58:41,875 --> 00:58:44,416
I'm sorry this didn't work out.
612
00:58:52,791 --> 00:58:54,416
I get the sense that she can't handle
613
00:58:54,583 --> 00:58:57,750
having anyone with any other prospects on the team,
614
00:58:57,916 --> 00:59:00,958
like anyone with anything other than a shitty collection
615
00:59:01,208 --> 00:59:02,833
of poetry to their name.
616
00:59:04,333 --> 00:59:07,708
You could ask Steven if they've got anything at Glamour.
617
00:59:07,958 --> 00:59:12,791
I know it's not exactly Granta, but... it's money.
618
00:59:12,958 --> 00:59:15,750
Do you really think that will go down well with my publisher?
619
00:59:16,666 --> 00:59:17,958
Glamour isn't exactly compatible
620
00:59:18,125 --> 00:59:20,791
with being a serious writer, is it?
621
00:59:20,958 --> 00:59:23,666
Hm... Yeah.
622
00:59:23,958 --> 00:59:25,500
You know what, you should erm...
623
00:59:25,666 --> 00:59:27,833
I think you should use a pseudonym.
624
00:59:28,208 --> 00:59:31,958
No one need know after all it's by the Max Williamson.
625
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,250
I've got to focus on my fiction anyway.
626
00:59:40,416 --> 00:59:42,208
And live on what?
627
00:59:42,458 --> 00:59:45,375
It's not like you've got an advance or anything.
628
01:01:12,083 --> 01:01:14,708
What did you see tonight?
629
01:01:15,625 --> 01:01:18,291
It was The Goat by Edward Albee.
630
01:01:18,541 --> 01:01:20,833
Oh yeah. - Are you familiar?
631
01:01:21,625 --> 01:01:24,208
No. I've...
632
01:01:24,375 --> 01:01:26,333
not had a chance to see it yet.
633
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:30,166
I'd like to though.
634
01:01:30,708 --> 01:01:33,541
But I couldn't help thinking that for all its ingenuity
635
01:01:33,791 --> 01:01:37,375
and brilliant allusion to Greek tragedy,
636
01:01:37,541 --> 01:01:39,708
the play just didn't move me.
637
01:01:41,625 --> 01:01:44,166
Whereas with Tennessee Williams, well...
638
01:01:44,333 --> 01:01:47,875
I saw yet another production of The Glass Menagerie last week.
639
01:01:48,125 --> 01:01:51,333
Seeing their work almost back-to-back
640
01:01:51,583 --> 01:01:53,125
forces you to compare.
641
01:01:53,291 --> 01:01:55,791
Is this a...
642
01:01:57,791 --> 01:01:59,875
a Schiele?
643
01:02:00,041 --> 01:02:02,958
A very lucky find back in the day.
644
01:02:05,875 --> 01:02:08,916
I like all of your pictures.
645
01:02:09,083 --> 01:02:12,708
I've managed to collect a few things over the years.
646
01:02:13,208 --> 01:02:15,333
But really, it's a wealthier person's hobby.
647
01:02:15,583 --> 01:02:19,250
No, no. You... You've got a beautiful home.
648
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:22,875
It's a bit big for one, but...
649
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:26,625
I've decided to stay.
650
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:33,083
So, you write as well then.
651
01:02:34,791 --> 01:02:38,208
Or are you more of an aficionado, like me?
652
01:02:39,166 --> 01:02:42,208
I'm studying. I told you that.
653
01:02:47,041 --> 01:02:49,250
I wasn't sure I'd see you again.
654
01:02:49,625 --> 01:02:53,000
I mean, I had quite a shock myself that night.
655
01:02:53,166 --> 01:02:56,083
I have been offline for a bit. - I noticed.
656
01:02:56,291 --> 01:02:58,541
I hope not on my account.
657
01:03:01,166 --> 01:03:05,875
And it goes without saying that this is between us.
658
01:03:06,083 --> 01:03:11,250
Nothing leaves this room, this house. So don't worry.
659
01:03:15,250 --> 01:03:17,083
To be honest erm...
660
01:03:17,916 --> 01:03:20,375
I was a little surprised to hear from you again.
661
01:03:22,375 --> 01:03:26,500
That night that I was here, erm... I'm sorry...
662
01:03:26,708 --> 01:03:29,250
No. No need to apologies.
663
01:03:29,416 --> 01:03:32,666
I was on edge myself. Too tense.
664
01:03:34,125 --> 01:03:36,750
I'm pretty much of a novice
665
01:03:37,541 --> 01:03:40,500
in case you didn't realize.
666
01:03:48,750 --> 01:03:51,125
So...
667
01:03:51,291 --> 01:03:54,541
Is it poetry or prose you write?
668
01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:59,375
I still do occasional work editing textbooks.
669
01:04:00,416 --> 01:04:03,500
I still get invited to these things.
670
01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:08,833
I'm only asking out of genuine interest, you know.
671
01:04:12,750 --> 01:04:14,791
I do write.
672
01:04:15,916 --> 01:04:18,750
Mainly just short stories.
673
01:04:18,916 --> 01:04:21,166
Anything I can read?
674
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:28,333
Not so fast.
675
01:04:29,125 --> 01:04:34,083
I need to get to know you a little better first.
676
01:04:39,375 --> 01:04:41,375
Touché.
677
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:57,750
You remind me of someone. Thirty years ago, when he was your age.
678
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:04,458
It's something about the way you laugh.
679
01:07:06,083 --> 01:07:08,458
The tenor of your voice.
680
01:08:06,125 --> 01:08:08,333
Chin up a little bit.
681
01:08:08,583 --> 01:08:12,500
Okay. No, not so sultry. Thoughtful, not sexy.
682
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:15,583
It's a serious subject you're writing about, yeah?
683
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:17,291
Yeah.
684
01:08:17,458 --> 01:08:20,541
Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
685
01:08:22,875 --> 01:08:26,458
Oh, that's stunning. I love this one.
686
01:08:26,625 --> 01:08:28,500
Can we get a couple more very close up?
687
01:08:28,666 --> 01:08:30,375
Yeah, sure.
688
01:08:31,208 --> 01:08:35,875
Yeah. Max, what's your Insta?
689
01:08:36,291 --> 01:08:39,875
Erm... It's @maximes.
690
01:08:40,041 --> 01:08:42,833
But I've not really got many followers or anything, so...
691
01:08:43,291 --> 01:08:45,208
We're going to fix that.
692
01:08:45,458 --> 01:08:47,291
We'll do a big feature on our Instagram.
693
01:08:47,541 --> 01:08:49,125
Once this comes out,
694
01:08:49,291 --> 01:08:52,375
your face is gonna be on the top of everyone's feed.
695
01:09:06,458 --> 01:09:08,541
Les Nuits Fauves.
696
01:09:08,791 --> 01:09:11,958
Oh, that certainly sparked debate in my seminars.
697
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,333
I know some people view him as immoral.
698
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:27,458
Or selfish.
699
01:09:27,666 --> 01:09:29,666
Unlikable.
700
01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:36,833
But I think it's a beautiful account of a kind of... joy.
701
01:09:37,541 --> 01:09:39,333
Even in the face of death,
702
01:09:39,583 --> 01:09:43,666
against the tyranny of Aids and homophobia...
703
01:09:46,416 --> 01:09:50,958
I think there's great beauty in his refusal to give up on life.
704
01:09:51,208 --> 01:09:56,291
His continued desire to taste everything until the...
705
01:09:57,291 --> 01:09:59,000
very end.
706
01:10:14,208 --> 01:10:16,000
What?
707
01:10:16,875 --> 01:10:19,083
Can I ask you a question?
708
01:10:24,583 --> 01:10:27,166
Why is it that you do this?
709
01:10:28,666 --> 01:10:32,291
I don't imagine there are many boys on that website
710
01:10:32,541 --> 01:10:37,833
who are published in Granta or nominated for literary prizes.
711
01:10:39,666 --> 01:10:43,875
Are you saying that I shouldn't be here?
712
01:10:44,541 --> 01:10:47,833
No. No, not at all.
713
01:10:49,333 --> 01:10:54,291
You know, there's not much money in writing fiction.
714
01:10:54,458 --> 01:10:56,750
Or writing full stop.
715
01:10:57,333 --> 01:10:59,416
No, I don't imagine there is.
716
01:11:02,125 --> 01:11:06,208
But is it really just about the money for you?
717
01:11:09,250 --> 01:11:10,833
Erm...
718
01:11:11,958 --> 01:11:13,916
No.
719
01:11:15,541 --> 01:11:18,416
It's not that simple.
720
01:11:28,375 --> 01:11:32,166
We met in California in the early nineties.
721
01:11:33,083 --> 01:11:35,666
I still wasn't out.
722
01:11:35,916 --> 01:11:38,208
The only time I plucked up courage to meet anyone
723
01:11:38,375 --> 01:11:40,375
was on work trips.
724
01:11:41,083 --> 01:11:44,416
That too became a frightening business because of Aids.
725
01:11:44,583 --> 01:11:46,791
Yeah, of course.
726
01:11:51,458 --> 01:11:54,791
So how did you meet?
727
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,791
I had the afternoon off from my conference
728
01:11:59,958 --> 01:12:03,250
and had gone to spend it at the Getty Villa.
729
01:12:03,416 --> 01:12:04,833
It really is a marvellous place.
730
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,625
You should go if you haven't been.
731
01:12:09,041 --> 01:12:15,041
I was looking at this sculpture, the Victorious Youth,
732
01:12:15,291 --> 01:12:17,500
lost in admiration,
733
01:12:17,666 --> 01:12:20,166
when suddenly I heard,
734
01:12:20,416 --> 01:12:22,625
"Cute ass, isn't it?"
735
01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:25,208
Turning round,
736
01:12:25,458 --> 01:12:27,625
I saw David for the first time.
737
01:12:28,291 --> 01:12:33,833
Smiling his cheeky smile. So handsome.
738
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,875
We got into conversation,
739
01:12:37,708 --> 01:12:40,666
went for lunch, had drinks,
740
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:44,333
an unforgettable night in my hotel.
741
01:12:47,333 --> 01:12:49,625
Three days later,
742
01:12:49,791 --> 01:12:54,208
I flew back to London and David came with me,
743
01:12:54,458 --> 01:12:56,458
and never left.
744
01:12:57,291 --> 01:13:01,375
Until one day, twenty-nine years later,
745
01:13:01,875 --> 01:13:04,000
he was taken away.
746
01:13:07,625 --> 01:13:11,583
It'll be three years next month.
747
01:13:13,083 --> 01:13:15,375
A stroke.
748
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:20,125
He went as suddenly as he had appeared.
749
01:13:31,208 --> 01:13:35,458
Oh... Our time is almost over.
750
01:13:40,833 --> 01:13:42,750
I'd like to stay.
751
01:13:42,958 --> 01:13:47,083
Well, you know I'd love that, but really I can't afford...
752
01:13:53,541 --> 01:13:55,708
Not him.
753
01:13:57,291 --> 01:13:59,125
Me.
754
01:14:19,583 --> 01:14:22,083
I've seen the proofs from the Evening Standard piece.
755
01:14:22,333 --> 01:14:24,041
Really good shots, don't you think?
756
01:14:24,208 --> 01:14:26,333
They're great. I'll see if we can get one for the dust jacket.
757
01:14:26,583 --> 01:14:28,333
The interview's good too.
758
01:14:28,583 --> 01:14:30,500
I love that thing you said... What was it?
759
01:14:30,666 --> 01:14:33,500
"I carve out my existence in the world using words. They are..."
760
01:14:33,666 --> 01:14:35,833
They are the footsteps I leave in my wake.
761
01:14:36,125 --> 01:14:38,208
Beautiful. - Yeah.
762
01:14:38,375 --> 01:14:41,291
It's not too lyrical?
763
01:14:41,458 --> 01:14:43,750
No, it's just what we needed.
764
01:14:44,250 --> 01:14:46,041
Fingers crossed it gets the review it deserves.
765
01:14:46,291 --> 01:14:48,625
Shouldn't be a problem. Larry is doing it.
766
01:14:48,791 --> 01:14:51,833
I think he'll have a real appreciation for your style.
767
01:14:53,333 --> 01:14:56,250
So have you read the draft? - Yes.
768
01:14:56,666 --> 01:14:58,041
Ben's had a look at it too.
769
01:15:00,791 --> 01:15:02,333
I'm gonna be honest because
770
01:15:02,583 --> 01:15:04,291
we want to get this out as soon as possible
771
01:15:04,458 --> 01:15:06,375
after the short stories while you're still fresh
772
01:15:06,541 --> 01:15:08,375
in everybody's mind.
773
01:15:08,916 --> 01:15:13,708
This erm... whole new thread with...
774
01:15:13,958 --> 01:15:17,041
Oh, what's the character's name? The older gentleman.
775
01:15:17,208 --> 01:15:19,083
Jonathan.
776
01:15:20,125 --> 01:15:22,208
I'm not sure about it.
777
01:15:23,583 --> 01:15:25,625
But it's the heart... - Don't you think it's...
778
01:15:25,875 --> 01:15:29,083
somehow too romantic in a way?
779
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:34,791
Is Sebastian, who has been so consumed by sex until now,
780
01:15:34,958 --> 01:15:38,500
really about to become all Harold and Maude with this guy?
781
01:15:38,666 --> 01:15:42,583
I'm trying to show that he's moved beyond that initial,
782
01:15:42,833 --> 01:15:44,541
more superficial interest
783
01:15:44,708 --> 01:15:49,541
in sex work to... to this deeper appreciation of its meaning.
784
01:15:49,708 --> 01:15:52,458
I can see that's what you're trying to do.
785
01:15:52,625 --> 01:15:56,291
But you spend so much time now on this one relationship,
786
01:15:56,458 --> 01:15:58,791
I fear it's losing focus.
787
01:15:59,708 --> 01:16:02,416
Don't get me wrong. It started off brilliantly.
788
01:16:02,583 --> 01:16:03,916
Really exciting stuff.
789
01:16:04,166 --> 01:16:07,000
I'd just like you to continue in that vein.
790
01:16:07,166 --> 01:16:11,875
It's just, I really feel like I'm discovering...
791
01:16:13,375 --> 01:16:15,916
something deeper here.
792
01:16:16,083 --> 01:16:20,208
These exchanges between escorts and their clients.
793
01:16:20,458 --> 01:16:21,625
They are really important,
794
01:16:21,791 --> 01:16:24,000
connecting generations of gay men
795
01:16:24,166 --> 01:16:29,166
that might have not had much to do with each other
796
01:16:29,333 --> 01:16:33,500
and thus they're transmitting queer history and culture and...
797
01:16:34,083 --> 01:16:36,000
That's something I want to talk about.
798
01:16:36,166 --> 01:16:38,916
But that's not what we discussed originally, is it?
799
01:16:39,458 --> 01:16:41,416
You've veered from your proposal.
800
01:16:41,791 --> 01:16:43,916
An authentic portrait of contemporary sex work.
801
01:16:44,166 --> 01:16:45,916
The reality of what life is like...
802
01:16:46,083 --> 01:16:49,750
But it's grounded in reality. It's all based on research.
803
01:16:51,708 --> 01:16:53,500
From my interviews.
804
01:16:53,666 --> 01:16:58,583
I'm sorry. I just don't think our audiences will like it.
805
01:17:00,125 --> 01:17:02,750
You need to bring something more to it, Max.
806
01:17:03,166 --> 01:17:06,416
Find a way to raise the stakes. - I don't want it to be
807
01:17:06,583 --> 01:17:10,208
just another tragic sex worker's story. Not at all.
808
01:17:10,458 --> 01:17:12,375
And nobody is asking you to do that.
809
01:17:14,583 --> 01:17:19,083
Look, we already know that you've mastered the short story.
810
01:17:19,250 --> 01:17:22,000
But this is a novel. You have to remember that.
811
01:17:22,458 --> 01:17:24,791
It is a different beast entirely.
812
01:17:26,666 --> 01:17:30,625
As it is, I'm afraid it's not working.
813
01:17:30,958 --> 01:17:35,000
It scares me. I don't know...
814
01:17:35,166 --> 01:17:37,708
It's as if I have a cold heart.
815
01:17:39,875 --> 01:17:42,000
Have you never fallen in love with a boy?
816
01:17:42,166 --> 01:17:43,500
Yes.
817
01:17:43,666 --> 01:17:45,500
Then why aren't you with him?
818
01:17:45,666 --> 01:17:49,958
I don't know. It's my fault. I didn't know what I was doing.
819
01:17:51,583 --> 01:17:53,250
Think of him a lot?
820
01:17:53,416 --> 01:17:56,750
Sometimes. I don't want to talk about it.
821
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,583
If I were you, I'd listen to the people
822
01:17:58,833 --> 01:18:00,000
who've done this 100 times before
823
01:18:00,166 --> 01:18:02,750
and are giving you this opportunity.
824
01:18:03,250 --> 01:18:06,333
Yeah, but I don't think that she actually gets it.
825
01:18:06,583 --> 01:18:08,375
They're drawn to totally different aspects,
826
01:18:08,541 --> 01:18:11,000
to this more superficial version.
827
01:18:11,166 --> 01:18:12,500
Sure, but it really doesn't matter
828
01:18:12,666 --> 01:18:13,916
how amazing your version is
829
01:18:14,166 --> 01:18:15,625
if no one gets to read it.
830
01:18:31,333 --> 01:18:33,916
That'll be 28 pounds when you're ready.
831
01:18:51,541 --> 01:18:53,541
Sorry.
832
01:18:56,333 --> 01:18:58,000
Thanks.
833
01:19:21,666 --> 01:19:24,166
There's something I really think we should see,
834
01:19:24,333 --> 01:19:25,666
erm...
835
01:19:25,916 --> 01:19:28,375
The week after next it's coming on.
836
01:19:28,541 --> 01:19:31,791
I think it...
837
01:19:56,083 --> 01:19:58,500
The inside pocket of your jacket.
838
01:20:01,166 --> 01:20:03,583
I'll see you again next Thursday.
839
01:20:07,541 --> 01:20:09,875
Next week erm...
840
01:20:10,625 --> 01:20:12,291
may be a bit tricky.
841
01:20:14,791 --> 01:20:19,250
I've got a lot of work on at the moment with the writing, so...
842
01:20:21,666 --> 01:20:23,958
Of course.
843
01:20:26,708 --> 01:20:28,166
But I'll let you know though.
844
01:20:29,250 --> 01:20:31,916
Whenever it suits.
845
01:20:43,166 --> 01:20:45,916
Welcome aboard the 10:45 Eurostar
846
01:20:46,166 --> 01:20:48,458
to Brussels Midi.
847
01:20:48,625 --> 01:20:51,250
The restaurant-bar is located in carriage 4.
848
01:20:51,458 --> 01:20:53,000
We will arrive at our destination
849
01:20:53,166 --> 01:20:54,625
at 1:45 p.m.
850
01:20:54,833 --> 01:20:57,333
We wish you a pleasant journey.
851
01:21:11,541 --> 01:21:14,250
It's really good to see you.
852
01:21:27,125 --> 01:21:29,958
Ah, Mr Larson. Nice to see you again.
853
01:21:30,416 --> 01:21:32,791
Just follow me, please.
854
01:21:33,041 --> 01:21:37,041
How are you? - Very good. Thank you.
855
01:22:01,333 --> 01:22:03,041
So they all know you here.
856
01:22:04,541 --> 01:22:06,125
Yeah.
857
01:22:09,666 --> 01:22:12,291
I like to come here whenever I'm in town.
858
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:15,375
Yeah, I love their food.
859
01:22:15,916 --> 01:22:21,291
Though I always seem to have the same meal. Yeah.
860
01:22:24,250 --> 01:22:27,000
But never the same company.
861
01:22:28,208 --> 01:22:30,041
No, erm...
862
01:22:30,291 --> 01:22:32,083
Well...
863
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,375
If I find something I like,
864
01:22:36,333 --> 01:22:38,041
I want to have it again.
865
01:22:48,041 --> 01:22:50,750
So what are your family doing this weekend?
866
01:22:52,375 --> 01:22:53,916
Just...
867
01:22:54,958 --> 01:22:57,166
keeping themselves company, I suppose.
868
01:22:58,625 --> 01:23:00,875
Have they ever been to Brussels?
869
01:23:04,166 --> 01:23:06,208
Well...
870
01:23:07,958 --> 01:23:11,708
I don't think they're very interested.
871
01:23:11,875 --> 01:23:13,500
Would you like some more wine?
872
01:23:13,666 --> 01:23:15,791
Yes, please.
873
01:23:19,041 --> 01:23:20,208
Thank you.
874
01:23:20,375 --> 01:23:22,500
Perhaps another bottle?
875
01:23:22,666 --> 01:23:25,541
Erm...
876
01:23:25,708 --> 01:23:27,458
Why not.
877
01:24:00,041 --> 01:24:02,625
Sorry, I'm not feeling too well.
878
01:24:03,083 --> 01:24:06,166
I think I had a bit too much to drink.
879
01:24:06,416 --> 01:24:10,833
Go get some water then.
880
01:25:10,083 --> 01:25:13,500
I'm tired.
881
01:25:16,958 --> 01:25:20,625
It's okay. It's okay.
882
01:25:28,666 --> 01:25:31,375
Can we just wait until morning?
883
01:25:36,625 --> 01:25:39,791
Do I have to remind you who is paying for this?
884
01:25:55,875 --> 01:25:57,958
Can you at least get a condom?
885
01:25:59,375 --> 01:26:01,291
Please.
886
01:27:17,083 --> 01:27:18,875
Max?
887
01:27:19,083 --> 01:27:20,458
Max!
888
01:27:24,666 --> 01:27:26,708
We haven't got all day.
889
01:28:50,583 --> 01:28:52,625
Can you at least get a condom?
890
01:29:29,916 --> 01:29:32,291
What the fuck is this?
891
01:29:37,583 --> 01:29:39,583
Oh fuck. Erm...
892
01:29:40,208 --> 01:29:43,458
"And in that moment, Sebastian realised
893
01:29:43,708 --> 01:29:45,291
that to try to fight back
894
01:29:45,458 --> 01:29:49,250
would have been fruitless, or dangerous even."
895
01:29:50,541 --> 01:29:53,625
That is not what happened! What the fuck is this?
896
01:29:53,791 --> 01:29:55,500
It's just for myself. It's nothing.
897
01:29:55,666 --> 01:29:58,125
I should have known. Never trust a whore.
898
01:29:58,291 --> 01:29:59,541
Sorry. Give my laptop. - Get out.
899
01:29:59,708 --> 01:30:01,125
It's nothing. - Please. Get out.
900
01:30:01,291 --> 01:30:03,333
Give my laptop back. - Get the fuck out.
901
01:30:03,583 --> 01:30:05,291
Can I have my laptop? - Get the fuck out.
902
01:30:05,458 --> 01:30:08,625
Just give it. - Now!
903
01:30:08,791 --> 01:30:12,208
- Get... out!
904
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:15,875
Give me my stuff. - I'll give you your stuff.
905
01:30:16,916 --> 01:30:19,750
- Out. Now.
906
01:30:22,333 --> 01:30:25,000
Fucking whore!
907
01:30:48,875 --> 01:30:50,541
Fuck.
908
01:31:01,958 --> 01:31:04,416
Do you have my wallet? I need it.
909
01:31:11,208 --> 01:31:13,000
Daniel!
910
01:31:18,833 --> 01:31:20,916
Sir? Sir, please.
911
01:31:21,083 --> 01:31:23,416
You need to stop. You are disturbing the guests.
912
01:31:23,583 --> 01:31:25,541
I left my wallet. - Sir, please.
913
01:31:25,708 --> 01:31:28,291
I want you to leave. Reception can sort it out.
914
01:31:28,541 --> 01:31:29,333
I need to get in...
915
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,625
Good afternoon, Mr Larson. I'm sorry to disturb you.
916
01:31:34,791 --> 01:31:36,166
I have a young man in front of me
917
01:31:36,333 --> 01:31:38,208
who wants access to your room.
918
01:31:38,375 --> 01:31:41,708
He's looking for his wallet. He says his name is Sebastian.
919
01:31:41,875 --> 01:31:43,166
Do you know him?
920
01:31:45,041 --> 01:31:46,750
No?
921
01:31:47,416 --> 01:31:50,083
No, he's lying. - Okay. Thank you very much.
922
01:31:50,333 --> 01:31:53,875
I'm so sorry to have disturbed you. Thank you. Bye.
923
01:31:54,166 --> 01:31:56,250
There's nothing more I can do. - He's a liar.
924
01:31:56,416 --> 01:31:59,000
Your colleagues have literally seen me here before.
925
01:31:59,250 --> 01:32:00,875
I'm sorry. If you're not booking a room,
926
01:32:01,041 --> 01:32:02,416
I have to ask you to leave.
927
01:32:02,583 --> 01:32:04,875
Are you kidding? That's fucking ridiculous.
928
01:32:05,041 --> 01:32:07,666
I've been here before! - Please, sir, calm down.
929
01:32:07,916 --> 01:32:11,416
Sorry. I can't do anything. - Call him again.
930
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:14,750
I can't do that. I'm sorry.
931
01:33:02,916 --> 01:33:04,583
Hi, Mum.
932
01:33:04,833 --> 01:33:06,958
Hi, Max. Why are you not picking up?
933
01:33:07,125 --> 01:33:10,500
I've been trying to get through to you.
934
01:33:10,666 --> 01:33:12,958
I was just in the cinema.
935
01:33:14,125 --> 01:33:17,291
Why am I getting a strange dialling tone?
936
01:33:17,916 --> 01:33:19,708
Where are you?
937
01:33:20,833 --> 01:33:25,958
Erm... I'm in Brussels, with Amna.
938
01:33:26,125 --> 01:33:28,125
In Brussels?
939
01:33:30,166 --> 01:33:33,250
Sorry, I didn't get the chance to tell you.
940
01:33:33,416 --> 01:33:36,833
It was so last minute. Erm...
941
01:33:37,083 --> 01:33:40,500
Amna got a deal on Eurostar tickets, so... erm...
942
01:33:41,458 --> 01:33:43,875
She took me here for the weekend.
943
01:33:44,375 --> 01:33:46,416
A late birthday present.
944
01:33:46,583 --> 01:33:48,958
That was really nice of her.
945
01:33:50,333 --> 01:33:53,166
Listen, your dad and I were just calling to say
946
01:33:53,416 --> 01:33:56,750
that we had read that piece in the Evening Standard.
947
01:33:57,875 --> 01:34:01,625
You came across really, really well.
948
01:34:03,833 --> 01:34:07,166
I am so proud of you, Max.
949
01:34:08,958 --> 01:34:10,666
Yeah.
950
01:34:12,041 --> 01:34:13,708
That's great.
951
01:34:13,958 --> 01:34:16,375
You spoke so beautifully.
952
01:34:18,458 --> 01:34:20,166
Bye. - Bye, darling.
953
01:34:24,875 --> 01:34:27,083
Closing time.
954
01:34:30,916 --> 01:34:32,916
Closing time.
955
01:34:36,125 --> 01:34:38,416
Get going. We are closing up.
956
01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:52,208
Move along. We're closing.
957
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,416
Thank you.
958
01:36:08,291 --> 01:36:10,250
Thank you. - No problem.
959
01:36:11,875 --> 01:36:15,458
A handsome guy like you should never be thirsty.
960
01:36:23,625 --> 01:36:26,458
Are you here on holiday?
961
01:36:28,833 --> 01:36:31,500
Yes. Something like that.
962
01:36:56,541 --> 01:36:58,791
Want to go to my place?
963
01:36:59,041 --> 01:37:01,000
It's not far.
964
01:37:02,791 --> 01:37:06,083
Yes. I'd like that.
965
01:37:20,708 --> 01:37:23,250
But that'll be 200.
966
01:37:24,666 --> 01:37:26,666
What?
967
01:37:26,833 --> 01:37:29,250
It's 200.
968
01:37:47,041 --> 01:37:48,583
Hey, this is Amna.
969
01:37:48,750 --> 01:37:50,958
I can't pick up now, but please leave a message
970
01:37:51,208 --> 01:37:54,500
and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks.
971
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:24,875
Hello?
972
01:38:26,958 --> 01:38:29,166
Sebastian?
973
01:38:31,041 --> 01:38:32,958
Are you there?
974
01:38:33,958 --> 01:38:35,875
Is everything all right?
975
01:40:00,291 --> 01:40:05,750
I've always been rather fond of the name Jonathan.
976
01:40:06,083 --> 01:40:08,041
I'm going to tell my publisher
977
01:40:08,291 --> 01:40:10,166
that I'm scrapping the whole project.
978
01:40:14,916 --> 01:40:17,125
They never even liked that section anyway.
979
01:40:29,833 --> 01:40:32,125
Do you not hate me?
980
01:40:32,625 --> 01:40:35,416
For using you like that?
981
01:40:37,333 --> 01:40:39,041
No, I don't.
982
01:40:43,208 --> 01:40:46,583
You need to carry on and finish it.
983
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,000
What I would hate you for is not publishing it.
984
01:40:53,708 --> 01:40:55,500
And...
985
01:40:56,416 --> 01:41:00,833
if I can help in any way, and heaven forbid,
986
01:41:02,541 --> 01:41:05,750
be an inspiration to you,
987
01:41:05,916 --> 01:41:08,666
I couldn't be more thrilled.
988
01:41:12,375 --> 01:41:14,875
It's good.
989
01:43:35,958 --> 01:43:38,750
There are fresh towels in the bathroom.
990
01:44:10,916 --> 01:44:14,666
Really nice to meet you, Max. - You too.
991
01:44:22,875 --> 01:44:25,000
Have a good rest of the day.
992
01:45:36,833 --> 01:45:39,333
I'm really excited about our conversation.
993
01:45:39,583 --> 01:45:42,750
Your book is one of my favorites of this year.
994
01:45:42,916 --> 01:45:45,583
Thank you.
995
01:45:45,833 --> 01:45:49,375
I'll begin by introducing and welcoming everyone
996
01:45:49,541 --> 01:45:51,875
and then if you just want to follow out after me
997
01:45:52,041 --> 01:45:53,250
and get seated
998
01:45:53,416 --> 01:45:55,458
once I introduce you. - Yeah.
999
01:45:55,708 --> 01:45:58,125
Did you get a chance to look at the questions?
1000
01:45:58,291 --> 01:46:02,208
I did, yeah. - And did they all seem okay?
1001
01:46:02,458 --> 01:46:04,500
I mean, if there is anything you don't feel
1002
01:46:04,666 --> 01:46:06,041
comfortable discussing...
1003
01:46:08,083 --> 01:46:11,416
or if anything feels too personal, please tell me.
1004
01:46:21,958 --> 01:46:23,875
You can ask me anything.
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