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This week, Time Trumpet looks back at 2007,
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the year Charlotte Church
vomited herself inside out.
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Eurgh-bl-bl... You can imagine, can't you?
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And when there was an outcry
at the BBC's new weather graphics
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that used actual human blood.
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And it stays that way into the early part of next
week as well. Mind you, some brightness...
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And we look back at this madman,
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and how he ended up 20 years later
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dementedly wandering around the bins
of downtown Baghdad.
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Move further down the bendy bus.
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Have your money ready, please.
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We're now In the year 2031.
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Apart from the two billion people
wiped out by flooding,
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It's an era of unparalleled progress.
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We're able to use meat as a source of energy.
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Special airlines now allow animals
to migrate comfortably
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by commercial flight.
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But what was it like 30 years ago
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In the first decade of the 21st century?
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What was petrol about?
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Imagine! It smelt so bad.
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If you've ever tried to sniff petrol
you'll know...
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what I'm talking about - it stinks.
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You had your phone or you were pushing your
wheelbarrow and you'd think, you know,
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"This is great, these are the times to be alive."
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One man who hated being alive In 2007
was Tony Blair.
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Privately he was locked in a bitter struggle
with his Chancellor, Gordon Brown.
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- (Scattered applause, people jeering)
- While publicly he was deeply unpopular.
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Stage-managed photo opportunities
became embarrassing displays of contempt.
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Come and shake my hand, you big English shit.
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Members of the public
were prepared to be rude to his face.
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And even his backbenchers were against him,
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as recounted In this slightly revamped
Newsnight show.
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Our political editor Martha Kearney is here now.
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They put an awful lot of effort
into winning this vote, didn't they?
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(Squeaky) They certainly did. Tony Blair
was ringing a lot of people himself...
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- What went wrong?
- Tony Blair made it an issue of principle
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- for him...
- What are gonna be the consequences, then?
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Well, you've got, you know,
nearly 50 abour rebels,
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- people prepared not to toe the party line...
- Martha, thank you.
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By the end of 2007, the Blair-Brown conflict
spilled into the public arena.
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Sometimes Blair would make
gun-pointing gestures at Brown,
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as If trying to Imply he would love to shoot him
through the eyes and Into his head.
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Sometimes his underhand techniques on Brown
were picked up by the microphones.
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Wanker.
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Blair would pay cameramen to get
their cocks out while Brown was speaking.
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...parliament, we beli...
And... And we... An... An...
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But Brown never cracked. His eye was always
on the prize - the Premiership.
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He really wanted it. By the end, he just had this
look in his eye like a sailor on shore leave
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banging on the door of a boarded-up brothel.
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Meanwhile Brown gave as good as he got.
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His speeches were full of coded references to
his belief It was time for Blair to make way.
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(Nick Robinson)
What does he really mean by that?
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To know, you have to crack the political code.
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I tell you. It's high... time...
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Tony Blair... was... put...
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into a... retirement...
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home... and... I've... finally...
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got... my... hands...
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on... his... fu... cking... job.
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30 years on, I caught up with someone
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who knew both Blair and Brown, Clare Short.
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So, now, you worked with both of them
for a long time.
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- Yes, I did, yes.
- What would say were the differences
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between the two of them?
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Unfortunately, Gordon never had
the common touch Tony did.
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To put it bluntly,
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Tony could shit in your hat
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and you'd want to buy him a drink,
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whereas Gordon would buy you a drink
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and you'd want to go off and shit in his hat.
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And if he didn't have a hat on him,
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you'd go off and buy one
just so you could shit in it.
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Time Trumpet will be catching up with people
who were famous 30 years ago.
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- What are you talkin' about?
- People like Sebastian Coe.
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And we'll also be talking to today's leading
cultural commentators
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to find out what life was like then.
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Maybe we could start by...
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(Clears throat noisily)... erm...
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- looking at why the years 2005 to 2010...
- Mm.
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...were so seminal. Erm...
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- Sorry, are you about to speak?
- No, no, I wasn't.
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And ask ourselves,
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what was it about them that had an impact
on the next 50 years.
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You know, in a sentence.
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They were...
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special.
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Why do you think, er...
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Why... Why... No, I... I... Scrub that.
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I'm gonna save that question for someone else.
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OK.
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- Talk about television.
- Well...
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My favourite thing ever,
Top Of The Pops 2 title sequence.
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I mean, the first thing you'd hear
is this guitar playing the riff
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from Led Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love.
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Then in time with the riff,
the screen would change colour.
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And within that colour,
spirals of a darker hue would appear.
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First off, the screen went yellow,
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with spirals pulsing
from the bottom left of the screen.
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Then it'd go red
with the pulse from the middle right.
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Mid left, blue.
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Top right, orange.
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Bottom left, scarlet.
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Bottom centre, green.
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Top centre, red.
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Then, there was a wipe from right to left
with blue.
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But the spirals were emanating
from the end of the wipe on the left.
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As a counterpoint, there was an orange wipe
in the other direction, right to left.
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And again the spirals emanated
from the end of the wipe.
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I.e. Top right.
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Then it went green
from the bottom of the screen.
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Then a red wipe from right to left, but this time
the spirals pulsed from the start of the wipe.
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And then an iris out to show the titles.
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Black on grey with the "2" in orange.
Perfect.
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In the world of professional football you're
considered a bit of a loner, aren't you?
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- Yeah. I... That's because I am.
- Mm.
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OK. Let's... talk a bit about...
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- You don't want to talk about me?
- No.
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- My lonely life?
- No.
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Let's talk about, erm, the, er...
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- terrible incident...
- I think that would make good television.
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Talk about... People are interested in what I do.
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Yes, but all...
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For just now, we really just want
simple soundbites out of you.
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Of all the bad incidents of that period,
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the worst incident
was the Charlotte Church incident.
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I began to feel a bit weird, and, you know,
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er, dizzy and stuff.
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And, erm, I started retching and retching
and retching,
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and I felt like the skin detached from my body,
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and I looked down
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and my stomach was hanging out of my mouth.
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So I thought, that's not gonna do my voice
any good, is it?
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- (Loud retching)
- Oh! Charlotte!
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I kept on puking, and then I got
this really weird taste.
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I could taste, er,
like, Bacardi Breezers, white wine, lager,
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my leg, my kidneys,
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my liver, and lots and lots of fat.
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Well, she was out on a night with her girls,
and she just...
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started puking and she didn't stop.
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I mean, sometimes I go for a wee
and I think I'm never gonna stop,
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but I'm not weeing myself inside out,
I'm just having a wee.
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In the papers it's like, " Oh, Charlotte Church,
you know, the Welsh magpie,
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"she's vomited herself inside out."
But it didn't stop her working.
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And if you remember,
that year's Royal Variety Performance,
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she went up there with her heart hanging out,
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with her intestines flung over her shoulder,
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with major organs hanging down
around her waist
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like a kind of meat grass skirt,
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and she did a medley of
I Don't Know How To Love Him,
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something from Phantom Of The Opera
and the JCB song.
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And it was the best-received thing of the night,
even though she was in that kind of state.
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(Girl) Oh, my God!
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(Church) I woke up three days later
In the Infirmary.
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I had make-up round my mouth... Oh!
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Out of interest, what could you see?
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Well, I couldn't remember a lot, you see?
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And of course the skin was on the inside
as well, you know?
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And my boobs were poking me in the eye
from the inside.
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It was definitely a watershed moment
for the youth of Britain.
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You know, when people realised
what had happened
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they did say to themselves, you know,
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"No way do I want to taste my own lungs
slithering out my throat."
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(Woman moaning)
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A lot of people found Charlotte Church's
inverted appearance disgusting.
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- Well...
- And literally vomit inducing.
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Yeah, all right. What's more disgusting, right -
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a woman onstage with her organs
hanging outside her body
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with her skin all inside out,
singing Andrew Lloyd Webber,
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while thousands of people in the audience
and at home vomit,
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or the institution of the monarchy?
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Er, it... I would say
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the, erm, the inside-out woman Andrew
Lloyd Webber medley song vomit incident.
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But when you say it back to me like that
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I agree with you,
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but I was trying to make a kind of clever point,
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and I wasn't expecting you to...
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meet that head on with logic.
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- You got a visitor, didn't you?
- I did. I did.
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David Cameron came to see me.
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But it was no good him talking to me
cos my head was still inside my stomach.
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Now, David Cameron, he was, er...
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Do you remember David Cameron?
Perhaps you don't. I don't know.
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Er...
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- Jog my...
- David Cameron.
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He had a sort of melted face.
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He had a face like a...
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a whoopee cushion
before someone had sat on it.
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And a mouth that made the sort of...
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shape the aperture to a whoopee cushion
would make
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- once you did sit on it.
- Mm.
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Do you not remember him at all?
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- No. No, I don't.
- OK, that's fine, that's fine.
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- OK. I would've thought I would've done.
- That's fine.
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- That's... That's all right.
- OK.
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- No, we can talk about something else.
- Mm.
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Are you absolutely sure?
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Ab... Ab... Absolutely sure
you haven't heard of David Cameron?
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That's the face!
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We must look ourselves in the eye
and make this pledge -
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never, ever again.
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Well, I nodded my head but I knew
he was committing oratorical suicide.
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"We must look ourselves in the eye."
How do you look yourself in the eye?
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Well, with a mirror maybe?
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Oh, yes.
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Cameron was great. He would use any means
necessary to come over as appealing.
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At one point I went around for a month
being black.
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Then the BNP went up in popularity, so I went
round telling everyone how much I hated it.
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Real change isn't just about policies,
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or even, dare I say it,
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having a young, vigorous, energetic leader,
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- although...
- (Laughter)
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...come to think of it, it's not such a bad idea.
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Credit where it's due. David nailed that line.
I was pissing myself.
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With pressure from Cameron and Brown,
Blair went mad.
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Whenever he appeared In front of
large numbers of people
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he thought he could see ghosts.
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It can be, for example, because you feel
passionately about certain things...
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It was in the hospitality room, quite late,
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and he'd been on, talking about...
I think it was about Gordon Brown actually.
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And, er, he said to me, he said,
"June, do you believe in angels?"
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And I said, "Yeah, why not?" you know.
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And he said,
"Can you see that one over there?"
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I said, "Where?" He said,
"Over there, by the nibbles."
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"By what nibbles?"
I mean, there were no nibbles.
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There weren't any nibbles!
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I cooked for him one night and, erm...
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and he got all the mash and he piled it up
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and made a huge head
of Gordon Brown.
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Right? And, er...
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then he started kissing it and then punching it,
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and I mean, there was mash everywhere.
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In order to free up traffic in town centres
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he decided that everyone
should be given their own bus.
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He thought that all cars should be tarmacked
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so that if they were in a gridlock
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then other cars could literally
go on top of them
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and continue their journey that way.
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Listen, let me turn that question round, OK?
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Is it mad to care about
the security of the country?
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Is it mad to put more money into
public services than any other government?
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Is it mad to grab a guy by the balls
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and squeeze and squeeze and squeeze
until he cries out in pain?
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If that's mad, then guilty as charged,
I'm mad too.
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Hello, it's a North-South fixture tonight...
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Blair�s policy of trying to get as many people
Into university as possible
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had many unforeseen consequences.
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I'm from Jersey and I'm studying medicine.
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Hi, I'm Katie Lee, I live in West Yorkshire,
I'm reading physics and philosophy.
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My name is Jonathan Hall, I'm from Putney,
and I'm reading for an MBA.
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I'm Edwin Famous from New York City,
I'm also reading for an MBA.
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- I'm from Suffolk and I'm reading medicine.
- And I'm also studying medicine.
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- Chemistry.
- Biology.
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- History.
- Maths.
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- Hello.
- Hi.
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- Hello.
- (Applause, cheering)
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We could see a little bit more snow,
just a dusting in places,
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up over the highest ground
of the Downs, perhaps,
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and certainly pushing westwards in the Mendips.
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Could see a covering of
maybe a couple of centimetres.
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We've all been there.
You're throwing a dinner party,
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important people coming round,
important that it goes right.
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You're about to serve the pavlova, and bang,
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something falls on it from above.
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Beautiful pavlova destroyed.
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Well, worry no more. We present Cake Shield.
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Anything that falls from above now,
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whether it's cups, plates, whatever,
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will deflect off the shield
and go to the safety of the floor.
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The pavlova will not be touched.
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Could still have the pavlova-crushing incident,
though, couldn't you?
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- No.
- How?
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- How?
- Cake Shield.
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I mean, it's perfect, it's the ideal thing for, er,
cakes, cheesecakes, cream cakes,
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- pavlovas...
- Black Forest gateau, Swiss rolls.
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Year one, what was the turnover?
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Er, apple.
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- An apple turnover.
- Year two turnover?
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- Er, apple again.
- Lots of apple, yeah.
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And last year?
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Er, last year, as I said,
was the pavlova incident.
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It's perfect. It's a shield for cakes.
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I've got one of these in my house.
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- Excuse me...
- You can't have one of these in your house.
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- This is the prototype.
- No. I've got one of these in my house.
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You can't have one of these in your house.
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You actually don't.
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Have you got one of these in your house?
Do you want one of them?
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I've had everything done.
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Nips, tucks, bone grafts,
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bringpads and I had a flange-oplasty.
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I've had my eyes chinked and de-chinked,
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I've had a... a nasal-rectal interchange,
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I've had buckets of Botox,
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and still everybody recognises me.
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I mean, it's uncanny.
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Welcome back to Spicey Slicey...
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Robinson became a role model for children,
and In 2008
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the BBC controversially launched
a children�s plastic surgery show.
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He has had himself a stubble implant.
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- Do we like that, guys?
- (All) Yeah.
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It's fantastic, isn't it? Yes.
This is from Michael.
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He sent us a little note saying,
"I'm a pretty lady now."
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Isn't it a sad day when you meet a child
you think is a burns victim
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and she says, " I made myself
look like you, Annie."
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Now I know some of you in the audience
have had some great work done.
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Let's speak to you. What's your name?
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- Max.
- Max, what have you got surgery for?
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I've been made to look like Patrick Kielty.
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Patrick Kielty eat your heart out.
I think Max is after your job.
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Kids could have, er, could have bladder implants
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so that they can urinate
in different flavours and colours.
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- That's not right, is it?
- It's not right.
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And this is Lucia. Lucia, thank you so much
for coming on the show today.
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Lucia is going to have
live cosmetic surgery done
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right here on Spicey Slicey.
Tell us, what are you gonna do?
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I'm gonna have my chin enhanced
so I look like Clare Balding.
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Fantastic. Give her a round of applause.
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Remember, guys, a bit of advice to you
if you are thinking about resetting your jaw.
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Remember, one hard crack with the hammer
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is far better than several small ones.
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You know, for a while you could buy the kit
in Toys R Us.
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It was called the Anne Robinson Face Changer.
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Well, you know, it was just a...
branded knife actually.
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They had to ban it after about a month.
326
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- Let's talk about sport.
- Good. Great.
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What sport would you like to talk about?
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What would you like to talk about?
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Erm... football? (Laughs)
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- OK.
- I'm not saying...
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- OK.
- No, I'm joking.
332
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What do you think of David Beckham's vagina?
333
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Erm, I think it's good, I like it.
334
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,188
I've played with it, and, er...
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You've... Pardon?
336
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I know David very well, and...
337
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I like it. I think it's great.
338
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In 2007, footballer and trendsetter
David Beckham
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had a real woman's vagina stitched into his arm.
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Does everyone ask you about the vagina?
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Well, a few birds do, yeah, when I go out,
a few birds come up to me and ask about it.
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I don't always show it. You know what I mean?
I'm a bit careful.
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But I, er... I'm quite proud of it.
344
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Have any other sports personalities had, erm?
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Yeah, well, Ronaldo,
he had nipples put on his knees,
346
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and, I mean, women loved it.
347
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Whose vagina was it?
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I don't know. All I know was
that she didn't want it any more.
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There were rumours that he was pregnant,
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but he told the press
it was just a case of fat arm.
351
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Well, I heard he doesn't wash it,
352
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and he keeps his car keys in it.
353
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,318
Did other players treat you differently
in the dressing room?
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00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:43,874
Yeah, yeah. I had a few comments and I just...
355
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I just gave them a smack around the head,
you know. That worked.
356
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,314
- David was always wild, wasn't he?
- Yes.
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He was always, " Oh, I'll be the first one to have,
er, Jesus Christ on my neck."
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Erm, or "to have a vagina on my arm."
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Have you ever accidentally
got it caught or anything?
360
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,674
Oh, yeah. Well, the other day I got it caught
in a door, and my God, did it hurt.
361
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I mean, you've got to be very careful.
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And also when I put my clothes on,
I've got to be very careful
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about how I lay the shirt on
because you mustn't brush it too much.
364
00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,510
Otherwise, you know, it can either hurt
or you can stimulate yourself,
365
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you're not sure which.
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A lot of people were saying to him,
"Why the arm? Why the arm, David?"
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Well, where else could he have it?
368
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Erm... forehead?
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00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,759
Well, you know...
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he's not a gymnast, is he? He's a footballer.
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Do you remember, what was the most
fashionable thing you ever wore?
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Oh, God.
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I think that was the placenta
of the white Siberian tiger.
374
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,633
I wore it to the premiere
of Mission: Impossible 6.
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00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,399
I wore it as a little beret. Very stylish.
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00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,431
OK, whip your sleeve, let's have a look.
377
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,471
Yeah, I'm proud of it. I will.
378
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,475
Do you look up to him?
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- Not now. I did when I was a child, of course.
- Mm.
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00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,559
He was the first one to teach me
how to do a header.
381
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,398
And then many years ago I kept track.
382
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,591
But now of course not.
He's... You know, he doesn't...
383
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,437
He's... No. I don't look up to...
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00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,232
I don't! I don't look up to him.
385
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,558
OK, we play football, doesn't mean that all
footballers know each other or like each other.
386
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,909
It's like, "Where are you from?"
"I am from China."
387
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:26,592
"Oh, do you know Mr Li who has an acupuncture
in Camden High Street?"
388
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,679
- That's an insult, isn't it?
- Yes, but... Well, it's slightly different.
389
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,474
I can't remember how many million Chinese
people - a hundred million or so?
390
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,953
- Footballers...
- Ten million.
391
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,116
- Ten million?
- Ten million million.
392
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Ten million... million.
393
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,911
- Ten million million?
- Ten million million.
394
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,157
- That is a lot of people.
- Yes. Now, whereas footballers...
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00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,795
there are, in terms of professional footballers
in Europe, say,
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00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,910
there must be, what, about a thousand?
397
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,112
- A thousand and fifty? Erm...
- A thousand and fifty? Wow.
398
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,469
And in any one year you will all
play against each other.
399
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,476
- Yeah, of course.
- Right, now...
400
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,398
- you can't say that in any one year...
- Yes.
401
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...a hundred million million Chinese people
will bump into each other.
402
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,110
Of course. That's why it's an insult to tell them
if you know Mr Li from the acupuncture.
403
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,993
Exactly. But it's not so much of an insult
404
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,032
to expect you to know another footballer.
405
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,758
I am not Chinese. I don't know
what you're talking about here.
406
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,039
So it could be quite tricky here
first thing in the morning.
407
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,631
Special effects were very primitive
In the early parts of the 21st century.
408
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,672
For example In the popular soap opera
EastEnders,
409
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,473
all the glasses and bottles In the Queen Vic pub
410
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,559
were shot In a special CGI studio
away from the actors.
411
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,996
Have you tried in the past
having the actors act
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- with, er, while holding the glasses?
- Other soap operas do in fact do that,
413
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,595
but you end up sometimes
with spillages on set
414
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,916
and with actors getting sort of crotchety
with each other.
415
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,838
We describe it as we're herding zombies,
416
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,634
just in terms of the actors
just being quite difficult to control.
417
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,397
(Woman) Yeah, but I just don't know.
418
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,228
That's Pat Butcher's wig. If we can shoot that
all first with the greenscreen
419
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,512
then obviously she doesn't have to wear it
during shooting the scenes
420
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,917
and so it gives her one less thing to worry
about and she can do what she does best.
421
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,238
- OK. And, erm...
- Acting.
422
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,874
...why do you shoot all the drinks separately?
423
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,550
Well, what we do is we shoot all of the glasses
and things in front of the greenscreen,
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00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,999
with the leotards,
425
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,397
and then we matte that onto the footage
that we've got of the actors
426
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,831
so that it looks like the actors
are holding the drinks.
427
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,872
No, that's how you do it,
but why do you do it like that?
428
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,399
Erm...
429
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,955
I mean, that's just...
this is how we've always done it.
430
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,669
- And then you film the actors here?
- Then we film the actors in Bristol.
431
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,995
Then all the footage from that
is couriered down,
432
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,395
then that's matched up with this.
433
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,194
Everyone, everyone,
can I have your attention, please?
434
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,549
That's a very expensive way of doing it, isn't it?
435
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,511
Er...
436
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,074
Yes, very. Incredibly expensive.
437
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,918
If your glasses are charged,
I'd like to raise a toast
438
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,713
to, erm, love and marriage.
439
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,833
To love and... marriage. Go.
440
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,231
(All) Love and marriage!
441
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,758
One of the most shocking stories
from that period
442
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,394
was the revelation that
Prince Charles's wife Camilla
443
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,798
turned out to have been Channel 4 prankster
Justin Lee Collins all the time.
444
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,559
Prince Charles's reaction came in for comment.
445
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,672
Apparently when, you know, the rug was pulled,
446
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,915
he laughed and he said...
447
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,633
"Fair enough.
448
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,956
"I partly question the last 60 years
449
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,195
"but that is a good joke
450
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,276
"and you have followed it through."
451
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,153
It was quite interesting
to see the expression on Charles's face.
452
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,875
It was kind of a mixture of, erm, confusion...
453
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,195
and excitement. (Laughs)
454
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:05,190
The Camilla-Collins scandal was Just part of
a growing disrespect for figures In authority.
455
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,358
Erm, let's go to our first question
from Matthew Gration, please.
456
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,315
Er, how would the panel react if I said
the first person to speak is an arsehole?
457
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,349
Boris Johnson.
458
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,079
- Well...
- Arsehole!
459
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,998
- Well, what I'm trying to say...
- (Laughter)
460
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,838
But first here's our political editor
Martha Kearney.
461
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,919
(Squeaky) It's not really a coincidence
that some of the ideas and strategy
462
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,269
used by the New abour Islington set
463
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,108
have commuted across London
here to David Cameron's Notting Hill.
464
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,233
After all, the people around him
have studied Blair intensely for years.
465
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,671
We had this idea of filming David talking
to the women who work in ASDA.
466
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,393
Tell us a bit about how that works.
467
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,991
So we sat him down with them
and he... he managed to mask his contempt.
468
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,519
It was touch and go, though.
469
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,030
The last thing you wanna do is go shopping
straight after you've finished a long day at work.
470
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,149
Yeah.
471
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,033
(Armstrong) We gave David one of those
England bracelets that morning,
472
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,992
we thought he'd look patriotic and sporting,
473
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,828
particularly if he was talking
to the type of scum who like the game.
474
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,792
Anyway, the trouble was,
the bracelet slipped down
475
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,549
but quick as a shot I was up behind the camera
and I signalled to him
476
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,275
to try and move it down onto his wrist
so that the camera could pick it up.
477
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,312
(Woman) We wouldn't do that
as a company anyway, but...
478
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,635
it's about, you know,
meeting the customers' needs
479
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,558
and obviously providing jobs for...
480
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,673
(Armstrong) And good enough, David did it
without anybody spotting it. It was terrific.
481
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,393
Derren Brown, eat your heart out.
482
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,796
(Armando) While Cameron had a good eye
for the media moment,
483
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,355
Tony Blair was caught between
the teeth of opposition
484
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,188
from his own Chancellor
but also from the very same Cameron
485
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,390
who had a good eye for the media.
486
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,510
It soon became apparent
that Cameron was copying
487
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,028
everything that had previously worked well
for Blair,
488
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,593
word for word...
489
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,710
It's a tremendous honour and privilege...
490
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,230
It is a huge privilege and an honour...
491
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,838
...gesture for gesture.
492
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,394
Everyone could see it.
It was like single glazing.
493
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,398
The way he used to hold his hands
in front of his tits like that.
494
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,315
By taking the tough decisions...
495
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:30,873
Tough, long-term decisions...
496
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,912
- Punch and Judy...
- The Punch and Judy politics...
497
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,554
You should dig up the archive
on Desert Island Discs.
498
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,070
Cameron copied all of Tony's choices,
except for the Foo Fighters track.
499
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,635
Values don't change, but times do.
500
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,672
That is the change that I'm talking about.
501
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,870
- We can change.
- We can change.
502
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,751
- Public services.
- Public services.
503
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,597
- Education.
- Education.
504
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,108
- Specialist schools.
- Special schools.
505
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,879
- In China and India.
- India and China.
506
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,319
- Eight years.
- Eight years.
507
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,952
- Aspirations.
- Aspiration.
508
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,274
- And courage.
- Courage!
509
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,435
- Million.
- Million.
510
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,310
- Fringe.
- Fringe.
511
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:05,429
- Never.
- Never.
512
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,469
- Change.
- Change.
513
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,789
- Change.
- Change.
514
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,989
- Change.
- Change.
515
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,679
- Change.
- Change.
516
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,278
- Change again.
- Again.
517
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,150
- In turn.
- Turn.
518
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,349
- But times...
- Times.
519
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,549
- Time.
- Time.
520
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,636
- Change.
- Change.
521
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,193
- Change.
- Change.
522
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,469
- Change.
- Change.
523
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,670
- Changing.
- Changing.
524
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,994
Change is marching on again.
525
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,393
That's got to change.
526
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,714
Change makers!
527
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,073
People said Cameron modelled himself on Blair
and he did, of course.
528
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,274
When he became Prime Minister, people said,
"Hang on, Tony had done it first."
529
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,153
I mean, you can't be Prime Minister
and say, "Oh, this is my idea."
530
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,273
It was Tony's idea to be Prime Minister.
Cameron was just copying him.
531
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,390
In next week's Time Trumpet,
532
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,273
the disrespect for authority figures
Invades the newsroom.
533
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,995
The story's been obtained by our political editor
Nick Robinson. He joins us now.
534
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,157
We look at more television
from the first part of the 21st century.
535
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,919
But I'll start with what I've got
right in front of me here,
536
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,236
and I'll pop one of these little fellas
just over my hand.
537
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,636
We catch up with an Increasingly odd
Tom Cruise.
538
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,390
Pound for pound, I am the strongest man
on this planet.
539
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,078
Feel my bicep.
540
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,759
Hey, don't touch me
or I'll break your fucking neck.
541
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,518
(Laughs)
542
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,120
And I won't even have to touch you to do it.
543
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,038
And we look at the time
when Blair and Brown battled
544
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,719
over who should be called Prime Minister.
545
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,876
You can't have two Prime Ministers.
546
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,911
It's like having two parents.
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