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So I was working evenings in
headquarters, and that's when
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one of the detectives from
major crimes came up
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and asked if I was busy.
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My name's Elizabeth Cornett.
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I was a Montgomery County
police officer.
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The detective said to me,
"Liz, we're gonna be arresting
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Hadden Clark, and we want
you to help do the interview."
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And I was caught
very much off guard.
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[Edward] We were trying
to figure out a strategy,
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how to approach him.
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So Lieutenant Thieman decided
to get two female detectives
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to go home and put on some
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provocative dress,
something --
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something sexy to try
to get his attention.
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It was an opportunity for me
to shed that uniform
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and put on my nice clothes
and dress nice.
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I felt very put together.
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I don't want to sound like I'm
being like, "Oh, they thought
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I was good-looking."
It wasn't that, OK?
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No, I would never answer
that question.
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I thought I was
[bleep] amazing-looking.
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No, no.
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I felt that I was put together
fitting what the FBI had asked
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of me, so...
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[Richard] This guy is
a serial murderer.
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[echoing]
Serial murderer.
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-[Jack] I think he's insane.
-[echoing] Insane.
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He thought
I was Jesus for real.
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[echoing] He thought
I was Jesus for real.
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I said, "Why did you do this
to these people?"
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He said,
"I saw my father do it."
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[man]
He is just evil incarnate.
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[echoing]
Incarnate.
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[Richard] We have to put him
in the ground.
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-We're gonna kill him.
-[echoing] We're gonna kill him.
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We never saw any remorse
for Laura or Michele.
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[Richard] Before we go in,
the state's attorney
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and our captain get Ed Tarney
and I and say to us,
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"Get him to talk."
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We don't give a damn
if you violate his rights.
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Do whatever.
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Get him to talk.
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We need to find out
where the body is.
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[Elizabeth] And then we were
put in the room with him
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while the detectives
were outside watching
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and monitoring
and recording this.
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He's maybe a buck 40
["140 pounds"] soaking wet.
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He's kind of effeminate.
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So we thought
if something was to happen,
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we would be fine containing him.
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That night,
he asked for a lawyer...
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...numerous times.
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He asked for an attorney
maybe 200 times.
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Do you consider Penny
your friend, Hadden?
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I want an attorney.
I want an attorney.
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And we just kept saying, no.
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[Edward] We just ignored
his pleas for a lawyer.
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We knew if he said
anything incriminating,
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we couldn't use it in court.
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But if he gave us some
indication where Laura
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might be,
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It would have been
well worth it.
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I've been around
a lot of criminals, a lot of
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people with some really
interesting backgrounds.
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Sitting in there with him
and watching his behavior,
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I expected his head
to spin around.
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Oh, my God, is
he, like, possessed?
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Like, why isn't he talking?
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What is he...
what's he thinking?
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He was just creepy.
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He was not anyone that
you'd want to be in a room with
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alone on the outside world.
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And they handed me
a teddy bear.
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And this teddy bear had on
a bathing suit that was
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a replica of what
Michele Dorr had on.
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And they said,
"Take it in there.
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"Do not let him touch it.
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"But I want you
to hold it in your lap.
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"And I want you to make
the little arms move.
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And I want to see
what his reaction is."
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His eyes got huge, and he just
smiled from ear to ear
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and just smirked.
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It was just at that point,
I really felt like,
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he's not gonna say anything.
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We rotated detectives in
and out of the interview room
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to try to get
a different persona in there.
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Any time we asked him something
about Laura Houghteling
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or something specific,
he would just smile.
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And it wasn't a smile of
acknowledging he did it.
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It was just a smile.
He just smiled.
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It was hard to read why.
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We interrogated Hadden Clark
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approximately
three and a half hours.
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So we really were just trying
to find that one key that
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would open him up
and have him talking.
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[Elizabeth] I knew Hadden Clark
liked women's underwear,
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so I wore a Christian Dior
silk slip that was really pretty
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and very detailed --
I felt confident.
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I looked like a woman.
I was dressed like a woman.
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And I felt like if they wanted
two policewomen to come in
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there that were more
effeminate-looking,
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more female, that Paula
and I could do that.
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I felt
I looked professional.
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I felt like
I represented women well.
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I actually raised my skirt,
and I showed him this slip,
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and his eyes
got really big.
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[Elizabeth]
And he just focused in on it.
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He had
no interest in girls at all.
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We were hoping he'd --
he had an interest and maybe
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that's why he took Laura,
but that apparently
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wasn't the reason.
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And after we exhausted
everything we could,
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Detective Fallin and I
went in and tried.
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He didn't like to be touched.
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[Richard] So I'd reach over and
rub my finger on his side.
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OK?
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And he'd pull away from me,
and I'd just kind of
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tickle him a little bit.
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And it just -- it really
messed his head up.
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Trying to get him to get mad
and say something or just say,
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"All right, I'll talk to you."
Anything.
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The dynamics were quite
interesting to see how
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they were trying
to get him to talk.
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We tried several different
ways to get him
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to open up to us.
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I would say we wanted
to break him.
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[laughter]
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[Edward]
And we knew anything he said,
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we couldn't use
against him in court,
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but we wanted to be
sure that Laura was dead.
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So we just took the moral
high road and kept at him.
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We got
a lot of criticism for it.
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But, you know,
what are you gonna do?
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We thought we were getting
to him, and he just --
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he was smarter
than you think he is.
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He knew
what we were doing.
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He wasn't gonna
say a word, so...
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Finally, it was going nowhere,
and I sent him to
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the detention center.
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He's not stupid.
He's just manipulative.
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A couple of days after
we had arrested Hadden Clark,
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I was sitting at my desk,
and the phone rang.
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I picked it up, and I was told
that Hadden's mother was
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at the front desk.
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Oh, [bleep], he's told her
we were mean to him
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and all this stuff.
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And now we got to listen to
her run her mouth.
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And OK,
bring her in.
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She's an older lady,
probably in her 70s.
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She comes into
the interview room.
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We sit down with her,
expecting to get
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our butts chewed.
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And she looked at us and said,
"I'll do anything I can to help
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"you to keep him in jail.
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"He has tried to kill me
several times, and I am
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absolutely scared
to death of him."
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Then she went on to explain
to us what
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had happened with Bradfield.
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[Geoff]
Brad was my oldest brother.
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He was born in 1950.
Hadden was born in 1952.
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I was born in 1955.
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He was brilliant --
beyond brilliant.
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I'm hoping to helpfully help
them understand
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why bad [bleep] happens.
-Bad [bleep]. Yeah.
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What, are you in charge
of understanding
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why bad [bleep] happens?
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No, bad [bleep]
happened to me, so...
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Oh, what?
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-Are you gonna tell me?
-I haven't ever told you
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that I have two brothers
in jail for murder?
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Midnight patrol is probably
one of the better shifts for
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young cops to work.
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That's when
the crooks are always out.
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My name's Tim Morgan.
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I started as a reserve police
officer with Las Gatos
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in 1979.
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We were told that Union City
was looking for a missing
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person that was supposed to be
headed to meet someone.
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She never arrived.
Her name was Patricia Mak.
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And at about 6:15
in the morning,
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I received a dispatch call to
respond to 135 Riviera Drive,
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apartment 241,
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on a attempt suicide.
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-As I got there,
-[pounding noises]
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I thought I heard
somebody say, "Come in."
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And the door handle
was unlocked.
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I saw a large amount
of what appeared to be blood.
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I could see the victim
of this attempted suicide.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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There was wounds
on his wrists, on his neck.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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There was one knife.
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He had stabbed himself
in the stomach right around
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the belly button.
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He said his name
was Bradfield Clark.
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Paramedics arrived,
and they went up to give
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advanced first aid
to this person.
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I step out into the kitchen --
the other officer had arrived --
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and he shows me --
points to a Union City
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Police Department card
on the kitchen counter.
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Of course,
we knew that Union City
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was looking
for a missing person
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that was supposed to be
headed toward Los Gatos.
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When I ask him where she's at,
he makes the comment,
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"She's in the trunk of my car,"
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which was a red Datsun
with a Massachusetts plate.
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And Detective Yorks
responded to the scene.
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I'm Michael Yorks.
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I was a homicide detective for
the town of Los Gatos in 1984.
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We walked over together.
I see dry blood on the bumper.
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In the trunk of the car,
there were two large, black
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garbage bags.
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I remember one of the officers
saying, "Oh my God,
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she's in pieces."
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[Michael] There was arms
and legs inside the bags.
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We see
a Styrofoam cooler
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opened at the top,
and there was her eyes.
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They're bright blue.
They look right at me.
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[Edward] We went
to visit Hadden one time.
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He had pieces of hot dog taped
to the ceiling,
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saying he was curing
the meat,
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and he would leave it
up there for weeks.
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He'd put liver up
to his window.
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It started to have
a little fuzz.
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[straining noises]
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[Edward]
It was just disgusting.
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And then he'd pull them down
and eat them.
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[laughs quietly]
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Everything
he did was disgusting.
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Oh, he had no problem telling
them about how he ate
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body parts.
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And then later on,
we found out about Brad.
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[echoing]
Found out about Brad.
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And then paramedics are getting
Brad out of the apartment.
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I asked, "How do
you know Patricia?"
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He'd moved to Tymshare,
and that Patricia used to
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work there.
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It was a tech company
in Cupertino.
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He was characterized
as a computer geek.
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[Tim]
He was quitting Tymshare.
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He had told Patricia that
he was going to be going back
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to the East Coast and said,
"Hey, you and your husband want
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to come over for dinner?"
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The husband couldn't go
for one reason or another.
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My understanding,
they had done some heavy
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petting in the past.
-[female laughter]
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I think Brad was hoping
to have another liaison.
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They were having some drinks,
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and Brad began to flirt
with Patricia.
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And he says he made
some lewd comments that
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angered Patricia.
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He says,
"I slapped her back,
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"and then she tried to hit me
with a closed fist.
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I hit her in the chest
with a closed fist."
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[short yell]
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And she started to scream,
so he began to choke her,
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until she wasn't
moving any longer.
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He dragged her to the bathtub.
He had to get rid of the body.
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That's when he decided that
he was gonna dismember her.
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I started thinking,
you can't cut through bone
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with a knife.
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So I said,
"How'd you cut her up?"
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He says, "Oh, haven't you ever
butchered deer before?
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You don't cut through bone,
you cut through joint."
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He said, "I would cut some,
and then I would twist,
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"and then I would cut more,
and I'd twist until I got
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"through the tendons
and everything else, and then
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the piece would come off."
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And he kind of chuckled
about it.
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He laughed.
It was like,
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uh, wow, gosh,
you didn't know that?
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He moved her to his closet.
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I later learned that Patricia
was reported missing by
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her husband the next day.
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So Union City Police
Department came over.
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They searched for her to see
if she was in the apartment.
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And she was,
but they didn't find her.
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She was inside the closet.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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But what cop would ever think
that she's dismembered
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and sitting in the closet?
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That would never have
occurred to me, never.
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And after the Union
City police had come,
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they left a business card in
case he heard anything from her.
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[Tim] I don't think it was
a true suicide attempt.
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He is very meticulous,
so he knew
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exactly where to cut.
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So if he cut himself in
the neck, didn't go deep
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enough to hit the arteries,
and cut himself in the wrist,
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not deep enough to hit
the arteries, he wasn't really
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looking at trying
to kill himself.
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I think he knew he was going
to get caught when
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the Union City
Police Department came over.
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I think it was to gain
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that portion of sympathy
that he says, "I just can't live
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with myself after doing this."
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And that's what
he wants people to believe.
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But in my opinion,
that's not the case.
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The autopsy was done
at the coroner's office,
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and one of the detectives
there said that there was
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a nipple missing
from the victim.
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They found out
there was one nipple missing.
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There was a bite mark on
her chest directly where
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the nipple was taken from.
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Brad told us
later on that he had
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bit Patricia
on the breast.
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And while he was dismembering
her, had to remove that piece
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of breast so that
they couldn't identify him
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from teeth marks.
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We went in search
for the nipple,
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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but we couldn't find it --
we never did find that nipple.
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So what do you do with it?
Where'd it go?
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Wasn't in the bags.
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We don't know
what happened to it.
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He would not answer that
question about the nipples.
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So we assumed
that he ate it.
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[Jack] He did tell me
he buried a bucket
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in Massachusetts.
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And he had told me,
he said, "All my souvenirs are
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in that bucket."
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I think maybe that might be
worth looking at.
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[Tim] We never found
the piece of breast.
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We don't know
what happened to it.
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There's some speculation
that it was eaten.
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What I read was he killed
her, cut her breasts off,
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put it on a barbecue grill,
cut other parts of her off,
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and he ate them.
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People that commit these types
of crimes, that's the ultimate
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way of taking power from
somebody is by
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cannibalizing them.
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Now, is there evidence
supporting that?
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No, we didn't
pump his stomach,
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but that's a speculation --
he is a womanizer.
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That power, that manipulation,
that control, I think that's
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what part of what Brad
was looking for.
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It was unusual to cut up
a person and mutilate them.
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So I felt that maybe he had
other murders that he'd been
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responsible for.
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So I did
further investigation.
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Bradfield Clark was a trainer
for the company in Cupertino,
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so he traveled the country.
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So I sent teletypes to those
counties and to those police
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departments, asking if
they had similar homicide with
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a person that had
been cut up in pieces.
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And I found that there were
six other victims throughout
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the country,
but they'd never been solved.
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I don't think DNA was big
back then, so they didn't have
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anything to tie
Bradfield Clark into
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the other homicides.
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So I attempted to interview
Bradfield Clark, but he had
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his lawyer present.
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And as soon as
I posed the question,
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"Are you responsible
for other murders?"
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He evoked his right
not to talk.
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So I never was able
to get anything out of
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Bradfield Clark.
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But I think he could have been
responsible for
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more than one murder
than Patricia Mak.
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[Tim] Brad pled guilty to
second-degree murder,
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which gave him
15 years to life,
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and three years for
the corpse mutilation.
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[Jim] In my experience, I don't
remember any other family
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where siblings
were engaged in completely
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unrelated homicides.
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Sometimes there might be
an event where two brothers
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are there for a single
homicide, but to have a guy on
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the West Coast engaging in
kind of
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a Hannibal Lecter-style
murder out there...
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...and a guy on the East Coast
engaged in at least a couple
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of murders,
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there's some psychotic stuff
going on in this household.
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When I found out about Brad,
I thought to myself,
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what is wrong with this family?
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I don't care if they did come
over on the Mayflower
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or wherever they came from.
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The stuff that him
and his brother went through,
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I think Geoffrey was probably
the only normal one out
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of the brothers.
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00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:19,680
Ooh, you want
some chicken, yeah?
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Ready for dinner?
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Yeah, here we go.
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I have the privilege of living
with my three dogs.
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Blessings on our meal.
385
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,720
All done.
Good boy, yeah.
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Good boy.
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00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:42,370
Even though they aren't
officially support animals,
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00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,890
they are all indeed
support animals.
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I'm fairly certain
without them,
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I wouldn't be here anymore.
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Of course, the initial reaction
upon the reality of my brothers
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00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,930
and the situation
I find myself in is to hide it,
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00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,930
hide, hide, hide.
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00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,060
And I realized that
that didn't work.
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00:29:09,130 --> 00:29:13,820
So I do not hide from the fact
that I have had this horrible
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00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:15,580
past that I have to deal with.
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00:29:15,650 --> 00:29:19,480
It was very clear from a young
age that there was something
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00:29:19,550 --> 00:29:22,720
very not right with Hadden
and his perception
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00:29:22,790 --> 00:29:24,680
of the world.
400
00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:28,510
Hadden did not enter
the birthing canal in
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00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:29,860
the proper manner.
402
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,820
The standard procedure at
the time was to use forceps.
403
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:37,820
So they reached in and grabbed
his head with these forceps
404
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:39,310
and kind of yanked him out.
405
00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:43,000
It was one of these
two things, either through
406
00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:46,370
the lack of oxygen to
his brain during the process
407
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,310
or the actual physical damage
caused by the clamping of
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00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:55,100
the head to move him out.
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00:29:57,580 --> 00:30:00,930
And pathways that work
410
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,000
in one way in
a quote-unquote normal,
411
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:08,510
undamaged brain,
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00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,510
get screwed up.
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00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:23,820
And so he did not understand
that his action could cause
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00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:28,200
feelings in other people in
the same way things happened
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00:30:28,270 --> 00:30:31,100
to him --
that was a disconnect for him.
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00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:37,000
And one of
the best examples of that is
417
00:30:37,060 --> 00:30:38,620
we're out riding our bikes.
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00:30:39,790 --> 00:30:43,620
I am 9 years old,
he's 11 or 12.
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00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,620
I'm on the cusp, cusp of being
able to ride no-handed.
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00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,100
This is going to be such
an incredible thing because
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00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:55,100
today it's gonna click,
I can tell.
422
00:30:56,370 --> 00:31:00,790
And we're riding around,
he's behind me, and I get it.
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00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:04,200
And I'm going along,
and I'm like,
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00:31:04,270 --> 00:31:05,410
"Hadden, it's happening!"
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00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:08,820
He races up,
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00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:10,000
cuts me off.
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00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:14,720
[groaning]
Ow!
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00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:16,000
[Geoff]
Blood everywhere.
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00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:21,370
A lady from across the street
happened to see this.
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00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:27,100
She had to yell at Hadden
and instruct him to go home
431
00:31:27,170 --> 00:31:32,580
and get my parents,
because he was busy checking
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00:31:32,650 --> 00:31:36,410
out the bike to make sure
the bike didn't get hurt.
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00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,310
So my mother was a typical
homemaker who had
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00:31:41,370 --> 00:31:45,820
a few outside activities,
but she had all
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00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:48,060
the characteristics
of an alcoholic.
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00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:50,890
She hid her liquor.
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00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,720
She'd pour it into her orange
juice early in the morning
438
00:31:53,790 --> 00:31:55,930
and be drunk before noon.
439
00:31:57,270 --> 00:31:59,270
My father
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00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:03,510
was diagnosed with a level of
manic-depressive
441
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:06,510
and he was on lithium.
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00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:10,170
I believe that anger
management was a theme
443
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,410
throughout his life.
444
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,680
I remember one time
when my dad got home...
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00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:19,270
Boys! Your mother
told you to be prepared!
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00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:20,890
...and he took
us three boys upstairs,
447
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,890
and we got belted.
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00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,130
He beat the [bleep] out of us.
449
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,620
But for every time there was
that, physical stuff, there were
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00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,370
20 or 30 or 50 times where
it was just the screaming,
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00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,620
horrible, abusive treatment
of a child.
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00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,820
[Edward] I was talking to
Flavia Clark, Hadden's mother.
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00:32:43,890 --> 00:32:48,580
She was telling me about
her husband, who would get up
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00:32:48,650 --> 00:32:50,820
in the middle of the night
and go eat raw hamburger,
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00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:55,100
which, struck us as odd.
456
00:32:55,170 --> 00:33:00,200
Hadden told me that he learned
everything from his dad by
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00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:03,000
sneaking around
and watching.
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00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:05,580
I said,
"What do you mean by that?"
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00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:10,310
He said, "I came home one time
when they thought I was
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00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:14,000
"in school,
and I watched him,
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00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,310
and he murdered this girl."
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00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:36,790
Hadden told me
how he had walked in
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00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:39,510
and saw his father,
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00:33:40,790 --> 00:33:43,100
[choking noises]
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00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:45,720
murder this girl,
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00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:50,680
and I said,
"What did you do?"
467
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:54,410
He said, "I watched for
a little bit, and then I crept
468
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,580
out of the room."
469
00:33:56,650 --> 00:34:01,000
I guess in his twisted mind,
if it was OK for dad to do it,
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00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:05,000
I've had these feelings,
so why am I not doing it?
471
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:11,310
I can see that he would say
my dad was violent.
472
00:34:11,370 --> 00:34:14,200
I could see that he would say
my dad had taught him
473
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:15,510
things about
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00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:18,820
hunting or things like that.
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00:34:30,890 --> 00:34:35,240
[Geoff] But this is a person
who can say a lie to themselves
476
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:39,170
a few times,
and it becomes the truth.
477
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:41,000
Hadden is a master of that.
478
00:34:43,580 --> 00:34:47,000
He's structuring the story with
479
00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:50,720
his own little pieces of reality
480
00:34:53,650 --> 00:34:56,820
so it's not his fault.
481
00:34:56,890 --> 00:34:59,580
It can't be his fault.
482
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:05,060
It's always
somebody else's fault.
483
00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:08,000
Always
somebody else's problem.
484
00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:10,410
It's never
because he did the things.
485
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:19,580
[voices overlapping]
486
00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:25,410
[overlapping voices intensify]
487
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:29,680
[executive producer speaking]
488
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:33,000
[Hadden speaking]
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00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:34,510
[echoing]
Am really a nice person
490
00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:35,720
[Desiree]
I know Hadden's a murderer,
491
00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:37,510
I know his brother
Brad's a murderer,
492
00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:40,580
but I don't have
any information whatsoever
493
00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:43,510
whether the father was
a murderer or anything other
494
00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:45,100
than an upstanding citizen.
495
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:47,620
[Geoff] With Brad, I truly
believe what happened was
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00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,930
an aberration that would not
be likely to recur.
497
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,310
Whereas with Hadden,
there was a true evil in him.
498
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,930
[Geoff]
After Hadden, I realized
499
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,130
I had to separate
myself from them.
500
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:19,720
So I haven't talked
to either of them
501
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:23,480
in well over a decade --
I don't know if they're alive.
502
00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:25,200
I don't know
what prison they're in.
503
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:29,000
I don't know anything,
but I can't care about them.
504
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:35,620
What I do do is I routinely
cry for their victims.
505
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:42,100
And I don't ever know
when it's gonna happen.
506
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:25,720
[reporter] A bond hearing is set
for today for the man accused of
507
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:28,410
murdering 23-year-old
Laura Houghteling of Bethesda.
508
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,370
Over the weekend,
Montgomery County Police
509
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,130
arrested Hadden Erving Clark,
a 40-year-old homeless man.
510
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,720
[Richard]
We had no body.
511
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:39,200
So you can charge somebody,
and you can be convicted
512
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:40,620
without a body in Maryland.
513
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,510
But it was certainly a lot
better to have the body.
514
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:34,060
-[gun cocking noise]
-[mimics gun cocking noise]
515
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,620
[Edward]
We learned there had been
516
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,270
a plea agreement struck where
517
00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:08,580
Clark would give up
the location of Laura's body
518
00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:11,270
for a plea to
second-degree murder.
519
00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:15,000
[Richard] Hadden Clark and his
attorney would take one of
520
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:18,720
the assistant state's
attorneys out and show them
521
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:21,170
where Laura Houghteling
was buried.
522
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,200
[Jim]
The arrangement in the plea
523
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:24,440
was for him to plead guilty to
524
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:27,000
second-degree murder,
face as much as 30 years of
525
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:28,680
imprisonment for that.
526
00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:30,410
[Catherine]
I understood why they took
527
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,620
the plea that they took.
528
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,100
Jurors are unpredictable.
529
00:39:34,170 --> 00:39:38,620
And without a body,
it can be very difficult to
530
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,370
get a conviction.
531
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,580
The fact that it led to
Laura's body was a really good
532
00:39:44,650 --> 00:39:46,680
thing for her mother,
her brother,
533
00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:48,410
and the rest of us.
534
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,620
[reporter] A Harvard graduate's
body was found last night,
535
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,620
buried in a shallow grave
in North Bethesda.
536
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,680
I remember thinking I'm glad
that her mother can bury her,
537
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:58,820
but nothing felt good
about it.
538
00:39:58,890 --> 00:40:01,000
I never felt any relief
from anything.
539
00:40:01,030 --> 00:40:04,720
His actions have just created
ripples through so many
540
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:06,130
people's lives.
541
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,580
Think about Michele Dorr's
father, who was ruined.
542
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:11,510
Geoffrey Clark, who's ruined.
543
00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:16,720
He did so much to help put
my life in a downward spiral.
544
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,790
And I don't know
how to forgive that.
545
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:27,000
And it can damage you
into your core person.
546
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:32,000
And I'm trying very hard
to get past that break
547
00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:34,820
from knowing that...
548
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:40,310
I don't have to be tied to
the family I was born into.
549
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,790
Hadden told me, "My brother
Geoffrey made me very angry."
550
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:55,310
I said, "Do you think
it's right for you to get
551
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:56,650
"angry at your brother?
552
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:59,100
Your brother your brother
hasn't done anything to you."
553
00:40:59,170 --> 00:41:02,000
And he was like,
554
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:03,680
"Yeah, but he put me out."
555
00:41:04,890 --> 00:41:08,000
Hadden told me that if he ever
556
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:11,310
got out that the first person
557
00:41:11,370 --> 00:41:13,930
he's gonna kill is Geoffrey.
558
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,720
And I said, "Man,
559
00:41:15,790 --> 00:41:19,000
"you're thinking about killing
your own brother?
560
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,410
You know that's not
the way to get to heaven."
561
00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:30,930
[Richard] Hadden Clark had
proven to us that he was not
562
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,580
some sort of
opportunistic murderer.
563
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:35,820
He, in fact,
could fit the definition of
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00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:37,100
being a serial killer.
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