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Pass the ball. 3 00:02:43,979 --> 00:02:45,939 And I don't care where you're from. 4 00:02:46,590 --> 00:02:47,619 I don't care. 5 00:02:47,739 --> 00:02:49,979 If you tell me that you love football, 6 00:02:51,259 --> 00:02:54,419 and you don't love Barcelona, you have a problem. 7 00:02:56,139 --> 00:02:58,179 If there's a game on TV, 8 00:02:59,338 --> 00:03:02,538 any team in the world, if Barcelona are playing, 9 00:03:02,658 --> 00:03:05,180 I'd pick watching Barcelona all day long. 10 00:03:06,538 --> 00:03:12,138 I'd say 2011 was the best brand of football I've seen. 11 00:03:14,538 --> 00:03:17,898 Barça re-established themselves 12 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:21,190 as the most admired team in Europe. 13 00:03:21,978 --> 00:03:23,778 Not because we won ... 14 00:03:23,899 --> 00:03:27,299 but because of the style in which we won. 15 00:03:29,378 --> 00:03:32,338 There have been three special eras in football history. 16 00:03:33,658 --> 00:03:35,898 First, Cruyff's Ajax, 17 00:03:36,180 --> 00:03:40,898 Sacchi's AC Milan, a project that I continued. 18 00:03:41,190 --> 00:03:42,339 And then came Guardiola, 19 00:03:43,498 --> 00:03:47,818 and he created something beautiful. 20 00:03:48,619 --> 00:03:51,990 To play against Barcelona at that time, 21 00:03:51,219 --> 00:03:54,379 you just knew you had a bigger chance to lose than to win. 22 00:03:55,137 --> 00:03:58,577 That Barcelona was just, you know, eating everything on the table. 23 00:04:28,136 --> 00:04:31,216 It's one of the best ever performances in a Champions League final, 24 00:04:31,336 --> 00:04:34,536 and to do it against Manchester United was incredible. 25 00:04:35,817 --> 00:04:38,817 We really enjoyed ourselves that day. 26 00:04:38,935 --> 00:04:40,575 I mean, they were special. 27 00:04:40,696 --> 00:04:43,176 They were as good as I've came up against ... 28 00:04:43,296 --> 00:04:46,160 by quite some margin. 29 00:04:46,977 --> 00:04:49,577 And they were just too good. 30 00:04:50,496 --> 00:04:54,336 I remember Sir Alex saying that he'd never lost like that before, 31 00:04:54,456 --> 00:04:55,496 where he felt ... 32 00:04:57,297 --> 00:04:58,777 that he couldn't do anything. 33 00:04:58,895 --> 00:05:04,175 No one's given us a hiding like that, so it's a great moment for them. 34 00:05:04,295 --> 00:05:06,455 They deserve it because they play the right way. 35 00:05:06,575 --> 00:05:09,150 They stuck at it, they kept passing, they kept passing. 36 00:05:09,135 --> 00:05:12,950 They might have lost one or two, but they kept passing it. 37 00:05:12,215 --> 00:05:14,655 And all of a sudden, they make that extra pass, 38 00:05:14,774 --> 00:05:17,534 and the spaces are bigger, it's harder to close down, 39 00:05:17,656 --> 00:05:20,936 and you lose your little bit of shape, and that's when they take control. 40 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,136 As a performance, it was ... 41 00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:25,335 It was as good as I've seen. 42 00:05:26,855 --> 00:05:30,150 What struck me about them really was the patience of the wide men, 43 00:05:30,137 --> 00:05:34,457 to stay so high and so wide and keep making them runs, 44 00:05:34,574 --> 00:05:36,774 and probably hardly ever getting the ball. 45 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,960 They both got the goal, but just the patience ... 46 00:05:40,214 --> 00:05:44,254 to stay in that position and hold us, pin our fullbacks back, pin them back. 47 00:05:44,375 --> 00:05:47,335 And then obviously you've got Messi to drop back, 48 00:05:47,454 --> 00:05:49,140 making it four v three. 49 00:05:53,455 --> 00:05:57,335 Outnumbering the opponent was the basis of our whole strategy. 50 00:05:57,454 --> 00:06:01,974 Messi dropped into midfield to give us that numerical advantage. 51 00:06:02,940 --> 00:06:08,854 And he also scored goals, which gave us an advantage 52 00:06:08,974 --> 00:06:10,854 over every team we played. 53 00:06:10,975 --> 00:06:12,415 I'll show you how we did it. 54 00:06:12,534 --> 00:06:14,934 Here's the Manchester United defense. 55 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:18,334 They never closed down the player in the hole. 56 00:06:18,735 --> 00:06:20,855 They had two defensive midfielders, 57 00:06:21,615 --> 00:06:25,455 a number ten, Rooney, who didn't defend very much, 58 00:06:25,573 --> 00:06:26,573 and a striker. 59 00:06:26,694 --> 00:06:29,854 For this goal, we were three against two. 60 00:06:30,453 --> 00:06:33,613 Iniesta plays the ball across the line to Messi, 61 00:06:34,255 --> 00:06:36,335 and Messi attacks the defense. 62 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:46,854 We started really well but then they equalized, 63 00:06:46,974 --> 00:06:50,814 and that gave us a scare, which is normal in a final. 64 00:06:50,933 --> 00:06:55,213 But we managed to take control and when we went 3-1 up, 65 00:06:55,333 --> 00:07:01,133 we felt much more relaxed. 66 00:07:27,933 --> 00:07:30,930 Pep gave us a team talk in the Wembley dressing room. 67 00:07:30,612 --> 00:07:34,852 I remember the room was very dark, and he said, 68 00:07:36,530 --> 00:07:39,773 "I told you that if you got me this far, I'd win you the final, 69 00:07:39,893 --> 00:07:41,853 "and I'm going to make sure you win it." 70 00:07:47,613 --> 00:07:49,130 If Pep said to jump off the third tier of Camp Nou, I'd jump. 71 00:07:49,131 --> 00:07:50,611 There must be a good reason for it. 72 00:07:51,292 --> 00:07:53,292 And that's what I loved about him. 73 00:07:53,412 --> 00:07:58,452 He'd say things, and we'd realize ... 74 00:07:58,572 --> 00:08:01,652 that his words were never just words, 75 00:08:01,772 --> 00:08:06,132 and that convinces you that what you're doing ... 76 00:08:06,251 --> 00:08:07,851 is going to get results. 77 00:08:08,412 --> 00:08:11,812 It's unreal the way he used to tell us something, 78 00:08:11,932 --> 00:08:14,532 "That's what we're going to do. Do it. It will work." 79 00:08:14,651 --> 00:08:17,371 And it will happen. 80 00:08:18,412 --> 00:08:20,932 It really will happen, just like that. 81 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:26,450 That day was the crowning moment ... 82 00:08:26,571 --> 00:08:33,131 of everything we'd achieved since 2008. 83 00:08:34,131 --> 00:08:37,651 It was the crowning moment of our reign, 84 00:08:37,770 --> 00:08:44,770 the reign of a team adored by its supporters, 85 00:08:45,810 --> 00:08:48,250 and also by everyone who loves football. 86 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:57,930 For Barça to win the Champions League ... 87 00:08:58,500 --> 00:08:59,970 in that style at Wembley, 88 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:02,810 was the perfect end to a brutally draining season. 89 00:09:02,930 --> 00:09:05,650 The rivalry between them and Madrid had never been nastier. 90 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:09,900 And the relationship between Mourinho and Guardiola was beyond tense. 91 00:09:09,210 --> 00:09:11,500 Getting out of hand, some would say. 92 00:09:11,169 --> 00:09:13,809 I think it escalated into something more than just football. 93 00:09:13,931 --> 00:09:18,731 I mean, I don't know whether there's any rivalry between them personally, 94 00:09:19,370 --> 00:09:20,610 but it looked that way. 95 00:09:20,729 --> 00:09:23,649 Let's not forget where this comes from. 96 00:09:23,769 --> 00:09:29,209 In 2010, Barcelona are on their way to the Champions League final. 97 00:09:30,290 --> 00:09:33,370 The Champions League final is at Real Madrid's stadium. 98 00:09:33,490 --> 00:09:37,890 I think we've all forgotten how much of a trauma this was in Madrid. 99 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:39,689 They're terrified of this prospect. 100 00:09:40,170 --> 00:09:41,210 What happens ? 101 00:09:41,329 --> 00:09:42,649 Mourinho happens. 102 00:09:51,809 --> 00:09:56,129 Mourinho beats Barcelona and celebrates it like mad. 103 00:09:56,249 --> 00:09:59,209 And he's just passed his audition for Real Madrid. 104 00:10:08,890 --> 00:10:09,849 It was difficult for Mourinho at Madrid ... 105 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:14,100 because he probably arrives when Barcelona are at their best. 106 00:10:14,688 --> 00:10:17,800 And I doubt that any other manager ... 107 00:10:17,128 --> 00:10:19,688 would have found a solution for Madrid at the time. 108 00:10:19,808 --> 00:10:22,968 I think that he arrived to Madrid, to a really big club, 109 00:10:23,890 --> 00:10:27,169 but he got frustrated after the 5-0, 110 00:10:27,890 --> 00:10:31,130 because we beat them 5-0 at Camp Nou in his first year. 111 00:10:32,569 --> 00:10:34,169 In the 5-0, they didn't have a hope. 112 00:10:34,288 --> 00:10:39,408 That was the best game ... 113 00:10:39,528 --> 00:10:42,888 I played in at Barça. 114 00:11:07,607 --> 00:11:10,700 I think that he just had a reflection and said, 115 00:11:10,127 --> 00:11:14,207 "Listen, if we want to beat this team, we cannot beat them playing football. 116 00:11:14,328 --> 00:11:17,848 We have to beat them in trying to find another way." 117 00:11:18,408 --> 00:11:20,968 And they bring football outside of the pitch, 118 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,608 like in every press conference, in every interview, 119 00:11:25,726 --> 00:11:27,846 trying to fight in every game. 120 00:11:27,967 --> 00:11:31,567 I have absolutely no doubt that Mourinho's role at Real Madrid 121 00:11:31,688 --> 00:11:34,568 was to "knock Barcelona off their fucking perch", 122 00:11:34,687 --> 00:11:35,847 to use Ferguson's words. 123 00:11:38,486 --> 00:11:40,446 Mourinho's not stupid. Mourinho's a great competitor. 124 00:11:41,408 --> 00:11:43,248 And you have to respect winners. 125 00:11:43,726 --> 00:11:46,726 But when winners start losing and feel powerless, 126 00:11:46,847 --> 00:11:48,207 you better watch out ... 127 00:11:48,326 --> 00:11:50,166 because it's bound to kick off. 128 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,646 Playing four Clásicos in such a short period ... 129 00:11:55,766 --> 00:11:59,486 brought the tension to boiling point. 130 00:11:59,607 --> 00:12:04,870 It was tough because most of us were Spain teammates, 131 00:12:04,207 --> 00:12:10,870 and the tensions spilled out onto the pitch. 132 00:12:10,207 --> 00:12:13,647 I found it all very tough indeed. 133 00:12:28,470 --> 00:12:30,470 We all lost our heads a bit. 134 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:33,860 The games should have been much more attractive, 135 00:12:33,206 --> 00:12:36,966 much better to watch, and without so much aggression, 136 00:12:37,850 --> 00:12:41,500 but when you're competing you get swept up in it, 137 00:12:41,125 --> 00:12:47,365 and the tension caused constant fighting on the pitch. 138 00:12:57,364 --> 00:13:00,564 The day I remember that they won the Cup in extra time, 139 00:13:00,686 --> 00:13:02,126 and Cristiano scored. 140 00:13:02,245 --> 00:13:04,965 We were a much better team than them, but they won, 141 00:13:05,860 --> 00:13:06,966 and for us, it was like, "Whoa !" 142 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,844 They had that moment where they made us doubt ourselves 143 00:13:12,966 --> 00:13:15,286 because it was a really difficult moment. 144 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,764 We thought we were the better team and created more, 145 00:13:39,884 --> 00:13:44,324 but because of a marginal offside call, 146 00:13:44,444 --> 00:13:46,324 we ended up losing the cup final. 147 00:13:46,445 --> 00:13:48,965 And when you lose, 148 00:13:49,850 --> 00:13:52,525 not only do you feel angry, but also doubts start to creep in. 149 00:13:52,643 --> 00:13:54,163 What we got on the pitch ... 150 00:13:54,284 --> 00:13:57,284 was a game where it really could have gone either way. 151 00:13:57,404 --> 00:13:59,524 There's a goal from Pedro ruled offside correctly, 152 00:13:59,644 --> 00:14:02,604 but, as Guardiola pointed out, very fine the margin, 153 00:14:02,723 --> 00:14:04,483 which gave Mourinho the chance to say 154 00:14:04,604 --> 00:14:06,804 Guardiola was complaining about right decisions. 155 00:14:06,924 --> 00:14:09,764 He wasn't. He was pointing out the margins were so fine ... 156 00:14:09,883 --> 00:14:11,603 that it could have gone the other way. 157 00:14:17,963 --> 00:14:19,323 After what Pep said the other day, 158 00:14:20,203 --> 00:14:22,243 we've entered into a new era. 159 00:14:22,364 --> 00:14:28,124 There's now a new group of managers with just one member, him, 160 00:14:28,642 --> 00:14:32,682 a group that criticizes a referee for getting decisions right. 161 00:14:33,563 --> 00:14:36,803 It's something nobody's ever seen or heard of before. 162 00:14:38,430 --> 00:14:39,483 Mourinho was so provocative ... 163 00:14:39,604 --> 00:14:44,644 that even people at Barça wanted a reaction from Guardiola ... 164 00:14:44,763 --> 00:14:49,300 because Mourinho was constantly trying to pick a fight with Guardiola ... 165 00:14:49,122 --> 00:14:50,602 and Barça in general. 166 00:14:52,164 --> 00:14:53,524 That day at lunch we listened ... 167 00:14:53,643 --> 00:14:56,803 to the Real Madrid manager, 168 00:14:56,924 --> 00:15:01,204 and I noticed something change in Pep. 169 00:15:03,522 --> 00:15:07,820 I had a feeling that Pep would do something uncharacteristic, 170 00:15:07,203 --> 00:15:10,643 and I think others felt it too, because after training ... 171 00:15:10,763 --> 00:15:13,563 the director of football came to the dressing room, 172 00:15:13,682 --> 00:15:15,842 which never happens. 173 00:15:15,962 --> 00:15:19,362 And I remember Zubizarreta said, "Keep calm, Pep." 174 00:15:19,482 --> 00:15:24,962 And Pep told him he'd stay calm and wouldn't react. 175 00:15:25,830 --> 00:15:26,683 But Pep was lying. 176 00:15:28,762 --> 00:15:32,602 I was in the press conference that day, and we're sitting in the press room, 177 00:15:33,762 --> 00:15:36,282 and there's this moment where everyone just goes, 178 00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:38,642 "Did he really say that ? 179 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,160 Bloody hell !" 180 00:15:44,361 --> 00:15:45,361 Yes ? Yes. 181 00:15:45,483 --> 00:15:48,243 Pep Guardiola, good evening everyone. 182 00:15:48,362 --> 00:15:52,420 Mr. Mourinho addressed me by first name, so I'll do the same. 183 00:15:52,161 --> 00:15:54,161 He called me Pep, so I'll call him José. 184 00:15:54,281 --> 00:15:56,681 I don't know which camera belongs to Mr. José, 185 00:15:56,802 --> 00:15:59,420 probably all of them. 186 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,160 Tomorrow at 20.45, our teams go head-to-head on the pitch, 187 00:16:03,282 --> 00:16:05,482 but off the pitch, he's already won. 188 00:16:05,603 --> 00:16:10,483 He's won all year long and he probably always will. 189 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,640 I award him a Champions League trophy for victories in the press room. 190 00:16:13,762 --> 00:16:16,722 In this room, he's the fucking boss, the fucking chief. 191 00:16:16,841 --> 00:16:20,921 He knows it all and I don't even want to try and compete with him. 192 00:16:21,420 --> 00:16:24,322 I only want to remind him we worked together for four years. 193 00:16:26,441 --> 00:16:29,921 We were in the team hotel watching that press conference. 194 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:35,280 He gave us one more incentive to go out and give 100%. 195 00:16:36,961 --> 00:16:38,601 When Guardiola returned, we all started applauding him, 196 00:16:38,721 --> 00:16:43,281 and he just said, "That's enough. Time to focus on the match." 197 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:44,639 It really surprised us ... 198 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,520 because nothing like that had ever happened, but ... 199 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,400 a line had been crossed. 200 00:16:49,521 --> 00:16:53,401 It was precisely the boost we needed at that moment. 201 00:16:56,199 --> 00:17:00,999 Clásicos are already extremely tense, but this one was worse. 202 00:17:01,119 --> 00:17:04,790 Doubts and fears were creeping into my mind. 203 00:17:06,681 --> 00:17:12,881 I'd known for over a month that I needed surgery ... 204 00:17:12,999 --> 00:17:14,439 but we hadn't told anyone. 205 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,440 It's impossible to keep secrets in a dressing room. 206 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,520 Everything always gets leaked. 207 00:17:20,639 --> 00:17:23,479 So I only told a couple of my teammates the truth. 208 00:17:26,679 --> 00:17:28,719 When you go to a match feeling confident, 209 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:30,960 everything is much easier, 210 00:17:31,790 --> 00:17:35,759 but I had a voice in my head telling me to be careful, 211 00:17:35,879 --> 00:17:38,359 and that my knee could collapse at any moment. 212 00:17:38,479 --> 00:17:41,159 I had a big bit of cartilage floating about inside. 213 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:43,999 I could have easily collapsed 214 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,319 when one of their players was running at me. 215 00:17:46,438 --> 00:17:48,598 I was very nervous. 216 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:01,399 This was the moment we'd either go down in history 217 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,760 or be remembered as a good side but not one of the greats. 218 00:18:07,879 --> 00:18:10,919 That's what was at stake in the semi-finals against Madrid. 219 00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:13,559 Even though you know that you are a better team, 220 00:18:13,998 --> 00:18:17,438 you always have that doubt, and I remember Pep said to us, 221 00:18:17,557 --> 00:18:19,197 "We are a much better team. 222 00:18:19,318 --> 00:18:21,718 I will bring you to the final of the Champions League." 223 00:18:21,838 --> 00:18:22,918 And it was like this. 224 00:18:43,318 --> 00:18:45,838 They were very well-organized, 225 00:18:45,959 --> 00:18:50,999 so it wasn't easy to create goal-scoring chances. 226 00:18:51,558 --> 00:18:54,198 And then Leo picked up the ball in midfield, 227 00:18:54,318 --> 00:18:56,518 and started that slalom run. 228 00:18:59,157 --> 00:19:02,157 It's just natural ability. That's why he's the best in the world. 229 00:19:02,277 --> 00:19:04,397 Only Messi can do that. 230 00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:06,358 That goal is just incredible. 231 00:19:06,838 --> 00:19:11,380 Busi gives him the ball and he skips past three or four, 232 00:19:11,158 --> 00:19:13,358 and then he scores with his right foot. 233 00:19:17,956 --> 00:19:19,756 It's one of the best goals in football history. 234 00:19:21,236 --> 00:19:24,356 My assist practically put the goal on a plate for him. 235 00:19:25,277 --> 00:19:27,770 No. The truth is ... 236 00:19:27,197 --> 00:19:32,157 we all know that the more Leo is on the ball ... 237 00:19:32,277 --> 00:19:34,757 the better it is for all of us. 238 00:19:35,596 --> 00:19:38,316 You have a Madrid team that's extremely defensive, 239 00:19:38,436 --> 00:19:40,116 with Pepe in the middle of midfield. 240 00:19:40,237 --> 00:19:43,517 A Madrid team that is very aggressive, that is playing for nil-nil. 241 00:19:43,636 --> 00:19:45,276 Mourinho's argument has always been ... 242 00:19:45,396 --> 00:19:48,756 that until Pepe is sent off, Madrid were succeeding in that. 243 00:19:48,876 --> 00:19:52,396 We will never know if Messi would have scored his two goals ... 244 00:19:52,517 --> 00:19:54,557 without that sending off. 245 00:19:55,876 --> 00:19:58,360 At that moment, the red card made absolutely no difference. 246 00:19:58,156 --> 00:19:59,516 Messi's unstoppable. 247 00:19:59,637 --> 00:20:03,317 It's natural talent that's only given to the chosen ones. 248 00:20:03,435 --> 00:20:07,435 Maybe in 20 or 30 years, there'll be another one, 249 00:20:07,556 --> 00:20:09,476 but right now it's Messi. 250 00:20:09,597 --> 00:20:13,917 I was in the room exactly a year later when Pierluigi Collina, 251 00:20:14,350 --> 00:20:16,475 in his refereeing tutorial to the Spain squad, 252 00:20:16,595 --> 00:20:18,715 uses that Pepe incident 253 00:20:18,836 --> 00:20:22,796 to show them how the laws of the game would be interpreted during Euro 2012. 254 00:20:22,916 --> 00:20:25,156 And the instant it comes up on the screen, 255 00:20:25,276 --> 00:20:28,760 the Spain squad is split right down the middle again ... 256 00:20:28,196 --> 00:20:32,716 with Madrid players and Barça players drowning him out, shouting at each other ... 257 00:20:32,836 --> 00:20:36,760 about whether it is or isn't a red card offence. 258 00:20:39,914 --> 00:20:43,740 I told Collina, "Show something else ! That's not a good example to show us !" 259 00:20:44,914 --> 00:20:47,994 Yeah. Some of them still said it wasn't a red card. 260 00:20:48,115 --> 00:20:50,750 And that Pepe didn't touch him. 261 00:20:50,835 --> 00:20:51,915 Incredible ! 262 00:20:52,340 --> 00:20:53,914 I'm telling you it was a red card. 263 00:20:54,635 --> 00:20:56,275 They can say what they want. 264 00:20:56,395 --> 00:20:59,555 Fans want to see their team play well. 265 00:20:59,674 --> 00:21:02,394 They don't want a team that constantly fouls ... 266 00:21:02,514 --> 00:21:06,394 or defending with everyone behind the ball. 267 00:21:06,914 --> 00:21:10,194 But in the end, football always wins. 268 00:21:12,514 --> 00:21:14,754 After the second leg at the Camp Nou, 269 00:21:14,874 --> 00:21:18,474 we stayed on the pitch celebrating for ten or 15 minutes, 270 00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:21,315 and we still had to play the Champions League final. 271 00:21:21,435 --> 00:21:26,755 But with all due respect to Manchester United, 272 00:21:26,874 --> 00:21:31,274 our biggest test that year was beating Madrid in the semi-final. 273 00:21:35,833 --> 00:21:38,953 So they've beaten Real Madrid in the semi-finals. 274 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:42,955 They then dismantle Manchester United in the Champions League final. 275 00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:45,793 And the instant outpouring of superlatives 276 00:21:45,913 --> 00:21:49,233 from all-time greats of the game all around the world, 277 00:21:50,234 --> 00:21:52,434 I think, objectively marks this 278 00:21:52,553 --> 00:21:56,433 as the high point of European club football. Ever. 279 00:21:57,354 --> 00:22:01,234 But the fact that Éric Abidal plays and wins, 280 00:22:01,352 --> 00:22:04,392 having already just beaten cancer 281 00:22:04,514 --> 00:22:08,914 turns this from a great sporting story into a great human drama. 282 00:22:10,473 --> 00:22:12,273 That day wasn't about lifting the Champions League trophy, 283 00:22:12,393 --> 00:22:15,730 we should have been lifting Abi. 284 00:22:15,873 --> 00:22:18,873 That was the real triumph. 285 00:22:19,713 --> 00:22:23,393 He was one of the great characters in the dressing room ... 286 00:22:23,512 --> 00:22:25,872 and everybody loved him. 287 00:22:25,993 --> 00:22:27,513 Abidal ! 288 00:22:31,792 --> 00:22:35,712 I remember two or three days after we heard about the cancer, 289 00:22:35,833 --> 00:22:38,833 Abi came to see us. 290 00:22:38,952 --> 00:22:41,432 And he was the one who cheered us up. 291 00:22:41,552 --> 00:22:46,152 One of my teammates died when I was at Sevilla, 292 00:22:46,272 --> 00:22:51,912 and I thought, "I can't let this happen again. 293 00:22:52,913 --> 00:22:54,633 Not another one, please." 294 00:22:54,754 --> 00:22:58,594 The first time I wasn't able to help, but this time, I could. 295 00:22:58,712 --> 00:23:03,272 And if there was a chance to save his life, 296 00:23:03,872 --> 00:23:06,192 my career was the last thing on my mind. 297 00:23:07,713 --> 00:23:12,153 Dani came to see me and said, "Look Abi, we have the same blood type. 298 00:23:13,232 --> 00:23:14,992 I'm going to give you part of my liver." 299 00:23:15,112 --> 00:23:22,720 Everyone saw Dani in a different light after that. 300 00:23:23,512 --> 00:23:24,992 It was a private matter, which only came out ... 301 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:26,510 because Abi told people. 302 00:23:26,631 --> 00:23:29,311 But I'd never have forgiven myself if he'd died ... 303 00:23:29,431 --> 00:23:31,351 and I'd done nothing to help. 304 00:23:31,471 --> 00:23:33,311 I couldn't let that happen. 305 00:23:33,432 --> 00:23:38,992 In the end, they found another solution, but I don't regret making the offer. 306 00:23:41,551 --> 00:23:42,911 Days after his operation, 307 00:23:44,591 --> 00:23:48,551 he was back in the dressing room and working out in the gym. 308 00:23:48,672 --> 00:23:53,152 He wanted to be back with the group as soon as possible. 309 00:23:53,272 --> 00:23:56,912 We had no doubt he'd make a full recovery. 310 00:23:58,150 --> 00:24:00,350 Did you think you had a good chance of playing at Wembley ? 311 00:24:01,711 --> 00:24:05,791 No. I didn't even think I had a ten percent chance. 312 00:24:07,231 --> 00:24:11,551 We needed to play the strongest side possible, 313 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:15,700 and the strongest team had to include Puyol. 314 00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:17,350 I wanted to play. 315 00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:20,910 I always wanted to play, but I was in a worse state than Abidal. 316 00:24:21,290 --> 00:24:23,909 And the most important thing was winning. 317 00:24:24,671 --> 00:24:27,271 The boss did something he'd never done before, 318 00:24:27,390 --> 00:24:31,390 He announced the starting line-up in the dressing room at Wembley ... 319 00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:36,150 just an hour before the game in the Champions League Final. 320 00:24:38,629 --> 00:24:40,229 I was shitting myself, 321 00:24:40,350 --> 00:24:42,750 thinking, "Bloody hell ! What's going on ?" 322 00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:44,750 I wasn't fully match fit, 323 00:24:46,269 --> 00:24:51,229 but there was a fire inside me, which gave me that extra drive. 324 00:24:51,349 --> 00:24:54,549 And when you're on the pitch, you're just thinking, "Let's do this." 325 00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:04,430 The Abidal situation was a huge emotional boost for all of us. 326 00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:10,690 And he found strength he didn't know he had ... 327 00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:13,230 to play the way he did, with the same composure as always. 328 00:25:13,868 --> 00:25:15,548 Abidal was an example to everyone. 329 00:25:18,629 --> 00:25:20,109 He showed such strength and determination ... 330 00:25:20,229 --> 00:25:22,349 and a will to overcome the cancer. 331 00:25:22,469 --> 00:25:24,989 And I decided that if we won that night, 332 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:29,150 Abidal should be the first to lift the cup. 333 00:25:29,268 --> 00:25:31,428 It really is an incredible moment. 334 00:25:31,548 --> 00:25:34,108 I've been lucky enough to lift it twice, 335 00:25:34,228 --> 00:25:36,828 and it's a difficult feeling to describe. 336 00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:39,390 It was Puyi's decision. 337 00:25:39,508 --> 00:25:43,668 He'd had the disappointment of not starting the game, 338 00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:48,109 and he maybe didn't feel like a key member of the team, 339 00:25:48,228 --> 00:25:53,148 but despite that, he decided Abidal should lift the cup. 340 00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:57,428 He said to me, "It's got to be Abidal." 341 00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:02,549 And I said, "Bloody hell, you're right. Abi should lift it." 342 00:26:02,667 --> 00:26:04,827 Without any doubt, that moment was ... 343 00:26:05,828 --> 00:26:07,948 the absolute highlight for us all. 344 00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:10,869 To watch Abidal lift the trophy was very special. 345 00:26:16,468 --> 00:26:18,680 I was with Víctor Valdés, close to Abidal. 346 00:26:18,189 --> 00:26:22,149 Watching Abidal lift the trophy after the illness he'd been through, 347 00:26:22,268 --> 00:26:23,948 it still gives me goosebumps. 348 00:26:43,226 --> 00:26:44,786 I think it was the moment ... 349 00:26:51,260 --> 00:26:53,306 that showed the strength of our group. 350 00:26:54,587 --> 00:26:56,867 We were much more than just teammates. 351 00:26:56,987 --> 00:27:00,627 They say that Barça is more than a club. 352 00:27:00,746 --> 00:27:03,386 At that moment, it was more than a club. 353 00:27:13,706 --> 00:27:16,106 I think that the story of this club, 354 00:27:16,226 --> 00:27:21,260 obviously, you cannot understand if you don't know the figure of Cruyff. 355 00:27:21,146 --> 00:27:24,946 Firstly as a player, he was one of the best players in history. 356 00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:26,347 I didn't watch him play, 357 00:27:26,466 --> 00:27:29,826 but my dad always said incredible things about him. 358 00:27:29,946 --> 00:27:32,106 He always says, "Messi and then Cruyff." 359 00:27:33,346 --> 00:27:35,146 When we were kids of ten or 11, Cruyff signed for Barça 360 00:27:35,227 --> 00:27:40,147 and we copied his hairstyle, the way he ran and played football. 361 00:27:40,266 --> 00:27:42,586 He inspired a revolution in 1973/74. 362 00:28:06,665 --> 00:28:11,745 He comes here with the advantage of having a good reputation as a player. 363 00:28:11,865 --> 00:28:15,825 He has a philosophy which is contrary to many. 364 00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:17,705 He would prefer to fail with his ideas ... 365 00:28:17,826 --> 00:28:20,306 than to succeed with the ideas of someone else. 366 00:28:20,426 --> 00:28:23,746 Players go for these kind of things, for this kind of charisma. 367 00:28:26,265 --> 00:28:31,185 I played with him here for five years and when we took over the team, 368 00:28:31,304 --> 00:28:35,664 we wanted to play a different brand of football. 369 00:28:35,785 --> 00:28:40,905 And it caused shock waves around the world. 370 00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:43,825 Everyone played with a 4-4-2 formation, 371 00:28:43,945 --> 00:28:49,825 and we played with three defenders, four midfielders and three in attack. 372 00:28:51,384 --> 00:28:53,304 People would say, "They've only got three defenders !" 373 00:28:53,425 --> 00:28:55,185 It was a 3-4-3. 374 00:28:55,304 --> 00:28:58,384 They'd say, "It's madness. We'll concede loads of goals !" 375 00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:01,344 But Johan preferred winning 6-5 to winning 1-0. 376 00:29:01,464 --> 00:29:05,384 I was really lucky because I was six, seven, eight years old. 377 00:29:05,504 --> 00:29:08,664 I watched the first Copa de Europa, European Championships. 378 00:29:08,784 --> 00:29:10,640 We were a really good team, 379 00:29:10,183 --> 00:29:13,783 always playing really well, but we'd never won nothing important. 380 00:29:13,905 --> 00:29:16,665 But when he arrived, he changed this mentality, 381 00:29:16,784 --> 00:29:19,704 and we started to win important things and important titles. 382 00:29:46,302 --> 00:29:50,342 Cruyff is the most influential person in the entire history of FC Barcelona. 383 00:29:50,743 --> 00:29:54,503 Our style of play is the most important thing. 384 00:29:54,623 --> 00:29:56,223 Then come the players. 385 00:29:56,342 --> 00:29:59,582 But what really draws you in and what sets the club apart ... 386 00:29:59,704 --> 00:30:02,624 is that Barça play a unique brand of football. 387 00:30:04,262 --> 00:30:06,822 It all started a very long time ago during Cruyff's spell at the club. 388 00:30:06,944 --> 00:30:11,744 Since then we've always played the same way, 389 00:30:11,861 --> 00:30:16,501 holding onto possession, 390 00:30:17,463 --> 00:30:21,303 and passing in triangles, 391 00:30:21,422 --> 00:30:23,662 pressing the moment we lose the ball, 392 00:30:23,782 --> 00:30:29,620 staying close together so we can recover possession and then keep it. 393 00:30:30,542 --> 00:30:31,582 Over time you realize, 394 00:30:31,701 --> 00:30:34,981 that it's because of Cruyff's influence that by the age of 21, 395 00:30:35,103 --> 00:30:38,743 it felt normal to come off my line and play further up the pitch, 396 00:30:38,861 --> 00:30:40,861 outside the penalty area. 397 00:30:40,982 --> 00:30:46,462 You come to realize that all of us, me, Xavi, Iniesta ... 398 00:30:46,582 --> 00:30:51,342 We've all grown up adopting Johan's philosophy. 399 00:30:51,462 --> 00:30:55,182 You know, it's an immense honor, or pride, 400 00:30:55,303 --> 00:30:56,943 to see that this is still going this way 401 00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:59,501 and my father is mentioned like the architect. 402 00:31:05,342 --> 00:31:11,220 I think it's a process that began in the 1970s with Laureano Ruiz. 403 00:31:11,142 --> 00:31:13,582 I experienced that here as a player. 404 00:31:14,181 --> 00:31:16,781 I was then a coach here when the second big change took place ... 405 00:31:16,901 --> 00:31:18,781 when Johan Cruyff arrived as manager. 406 00:31:18,901 --> 00:31:20,301 He changed our mentality. 407 00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:26,200 He turned us into winners and taught us to be confident, 408 00:31:26,141 --> 00:31:29,821 to want the ball and be creative, and to enjoy ourselves. 409 00:31:29,941 --> 00:31:32,621 And our third big change was with Pep, 410 00:31:32,740 --> 00:31:34,660 who took it to another level. 411 00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:40,610 Cruyff's arrival was key because he imposed his ideas. 412 00:31:40,181 --> 00:31:45,941 His advantage was that the players ... 413 00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:49,610 already understood this style because they'd worked under me. 414 00:31:49,181 --> 00:31:53,461 I invented the Rondo. 415 00:31:53,579 --> 00:31:56,179 The ideal Rondo is four against two. 416 00:31:56,781 --> 00:32:00,701 You need to move constantly to find space. 417 00:32:00,819 --> 00:32:02,779 The player with the ball ... 418 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,540 must have the option of a pass to his right, 419 00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:09,140 another to this left, and another through the middle, 420 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:11,300 which I call the pass down the street. 421 00:32:11,421 --> 00:32:13,610 So in a match that becomes ... 422 00:32:13,179 --> 00:32:18,179 a sideways pass to feet or a through ball. 423 00:32:18,699 --> 00:32:21,699 So it's a very important tactical exercise. 424 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,340 Barcelona always train in tight spaces. 425 00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:30,600 If the ball doesn't stay by your foot, it's gone, in training. 426 00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:33,460 That's why, after, when you drop those guys on the big field, 427 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:36,219 they play as if they were in tight places. 428 00:32:37,619 --> 00:32:41,339 If you pass, the player marking you doesn't have time to catch you. 429 00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:44,940 When he gets to you, it's always too late. 430 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:50,190 That's how you take control. 431 00:32:56,938 --> 00:32:59,180 The ball is fired at you from every direction. 432 00:32:59,578 --> 00:33:03,658 And the light shows you where to pass the ball. 433 00:33:03,778 --> 00:33:08,980 So if the light comes on over there, I have to be in the right position. 434 00:33:08,219 --> 00:33:11,899 Left foot control, right foot pass. As few touches as possible. 435 00:33:12,170 --> 00:33:13,337 It's the role of a midfielder. 436 00:33:25,619 --> 00:33:27,899 You're being marked and pressed. 437 00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:30,219 You have to get your head up and find the solution. 438 00:33:30,738 --> 00:33:33,980 I learned all of that from the age of 11 or 12 ... 439 00:33:33,538 --> 00:33:39,778 because I had fantastic coaches at Barça like Joan Vilà and Albert Benaiges. 440 00:33:40,898 --> 00:33:42,858 My son plays for the youth team, 441 00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:45,979 and you get to realize as a parent, as well, 442 00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:47,659 what the club teaches. 443 00:33:47,777 --> 00:33:51,857 It's not only about how they play and how successful that you can be. 444 00:33:51,977 --> 00:33:55,337 It's how you conduct yourself, how to be a Barça player, 445 00:33:55,457 --> 00:33:59,977 how to live like a Barça player, how to respect what it means. 446 00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:05,457 Having well brought up, polite kids, with good values ... 447 00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:07,537 makes everything much easier. 448 00:34:07,656 --> 00:34:11,560 Just look at the squad we've got at the moment. 449 00:34:11,178 --> 00:34:12,978 They're all exceptional people. 450 00:34:14,817 --> 00:34:19,737 We were lucky to have a generation of players who came from La Masia, 451 00:34:19,857 --> 00:34:25,857 like Xavi, Iniesta, Piqué, Puyol, Valdés, Pedro, Leo, Busquets. 452 00:34:25,976 --> 00:34:28,576 They all achieved huge success in the first team. 453 00:34:29,737 --> 00:34:35,217 Tell me a team, apart maybe from Ajax, that dominated world football ... 454 00:34:35,336 --> 00:34:40,296 having that amount of youngsters from the academy in their team. 455 00:34:40,417 --> 00:34:43,457 There's a reason why youth players at Barcelona ... 456 00:34:43,575 --> 00:34:46,655 are the ones who best adjust to the first team at Barcelona. 457 00:34:46,777 --> 00:34:48,970 It's not a coincidence. 458 00:34:48,216 --> 00:34:51,560 It's not because they work with special machines ... 459 00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:52,576 that no other club has. 460 00:34:52,696 --> 00:34:55,960 It has to do with the way they're brought up, 461 00:34:55,216 --> 00:34:57,560 the values, their football values. 462 00:34:57,177 --> 00:35:00,737 What is the real essence of our football ? 463 00:35:00,856 --> 00:35:02,776 Is it the result or is it how we play ? 464 00:35:02,896 --> 00:35:04,560 It's how we play. 465 00:35:04,175 --> 00:35:07,135 And then, if you do that good, the results will come. 466 00:35:07,257 --> 00:35:08,857 We came here to play football. 467 00:35:08,976 --> 00:35:14,960 People realized that we were different and that we had talent. 468 00:35:14,215 --> 00:35:17,615 We were given the chance to develop from junior level ... 469 00:35:17,737 --> 00:35:19,377 through to the first team. 470 00:35:19,496 --> 00:35:22,456 It's a different way of understanding football, 471 00:35:22,576 --> 00:35:27,256 which gives you a better chance of success. 472 00:35:28,295 --> 00:35:30,335 When I joined Barcelona, 473 00:35:30,456 --> 00:35:31,536 the media asked me ... 474 00:35:31,655 --> 00:35:34,295 which player had surprised me most, 475 00:35:34,415 --> 00:35:36,935 and I said, Andrés Iniesta, 476 00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:39,175 which surprised them ... 477 00:35:39,654 --> 00:35:44,494 because they all wanted me to say Messi or Ronaldinho. 478 00:35:44,615 --> 00:35:50,695 But the player who makes difficult things look easy is Andrés. 479 00:35:50,815 --> 00:35:53,295 I'd want Andrés and Xavi ... 480 00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:59,734 in my team until the day they retire. 481 00:36:02,574 --> 00:36:05,694 Barça's style of football is different to any team in the world. 482 00:36:05,815 --> 00:36:11,615 At Barça, there is a very specific way you have to play. 483 00:36:11,735 --> 00:36:15,975 You can't just boot the ball clear. 484 00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:22,455 Defenders have to control the ball, dribble and make the right pass. 485 00:36:22,574 --> 00:36:23,734 It's not easy. 486 00:36:23,854 --> 00:36:27,940 In the Premier League or at Real Madrid, you clear the ball. 487 00:36:27,214 --> 00:36:29,734 And that isn't a problem at most other clubs. 488 00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:33,494 But at Barça that's not enough. You have to do a lot more. 489 00:36:35,855 --> 00:36:37,455 It's a unique philosophy. 490 00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:44,535 And that's why it's so difficult for new players ... 491 00:36:44,654 --> 00:36:46,974 to adapt to our style of play. 492 00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:52,374 It might look easy but it's something we've been practicing for years. 493 00:36:52,493 --> 00:36:58,530 Most of us have been playing this way since we were kids. 494 00:36:58,173 --> 00:37:01,573 Playing for Barça isn't easy. 495 00:37:01,694 --> 00:37:04,214 You see all these players that are here for a long time. 496 00:37:04,294 --> 00:37:07,894 They come through the youth system and walk into the first team, 497 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,652 and it's as if they've been there for many, many years. 498 00:37:10,773 --> 00:37:12,130 Coming here wasn't so easy 499 00:37:12,134 --> 00:37:14,854 because there are certain elements of the game ... 500 00:37:14,974 --> 00:37:17,254 that you haven't been taught. 501 00:37:17,813 --> 00:37:19,733 You see players ... 502 00:37:19,853 --> 00:37:24,213 I could tell you a few names but I'm not allowed. 503 00:37:24,334 --> 00:37:28,454 But world-class, spectacular footballers, 504 00:37:28,572 --> 00:37:30,412 who were completely lost. 505 00:37:30,533 --> 00:37:32,130 They ended up in hysterics. 506 00:37:32,134 --> 00:37:35,540 It was more the style of play that I had to adapt to. 507 00:37:35,173 --> 00:37:41,130 Staying on the line to make sure that you can free Andrés, 508 00:37:41,132 --> 00:37:42,492 make the run in behind, 509 00:37:42,613 --> 00:37:45,813 knowing that nine times or eight times out of ten, 510 00:37:45,932 --> 00:37:47,332 you will not get that ball. 511 00:37:47,453 --> 00:37:50,493 But if you don't make the run, Andrés doesn't get the ball. 512 00:37:56,332 --> 00:38:00,692 My first move when Abidal had the ball and he's about to control it, 513 00:38:00,813 --> 00:38:02,653 I always have to ask for the ball in behind. 514 00:38:03,771 --> 00:38:06,110 Every single time. It's a dummy run. 515 00:38:07,773 --> 00:38:13,253 Now Andrés gets the ball, Sam now makes a run for Andrés, 516 00:38:13,372 --> 00:38:15,132 so Andrés can play him there, 517 00:38:15,252 --> 00:38:18,732 Andrés can play me as I come back from an offside position, 518 00:38:19,132 --> 00:38:22,932 Or, if not, third choice, Andrés skills you by his dribble. 519 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,332 You have a guy dropping, a guy running 520 00:38:25,452 --> 00:38:27,612 and a guy with the ball running at you, so, 521 00:38:27,733 --> 00:38:29,933 by the time you stop to realize what's happening, 522 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:31,530 you're already in trouble. 523 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,612 Some guys managed to get it in the end like Thierry Henry and Abidal, 524 00:38:39,730 --> 00:38:41,250 who both struggled at the start. 525 00:38:41,371 --> 00:38:45,691 But some other really talented players just didn't make it. 526 00:38:46,971 --> 00:38:48,451 I missed my chance. 527 00:38:48,571 --> 00:38:53,811 I was full of this fire, of this desire to, you know, to play 528 00:38:53,931 --> 00:38:55,651 and sometimes it was like ... 529 00:38:55,772 --> 00:39:00,252 I mean, I just wanted to immediately show what I can. 530 00:39:00,370 --> 00:39:03,370 And sometimes it was against me. 531 00:39:05,692 --> 00:39:07,572 Barça is a hard team to play for, particularly at center-back. 532 00:39:07,690 --> 00:39:11,490 If you make a couple of early mistakes, the fans get on your back, 533 00:39:11,611 --> 00:39:14,731 and the pressure really builds. 534 00:39:15,130 --> 00:39:20,890 But Chygrynskiy's qualities were perfect for Barça. 535 00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:28,100 To turn the crowd around is not easy, especially at Barcelona. 536 00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:33,370 I think it was Xavi who said, "This is a very special place. 537 00:39:33,489 --> 00:39:35,809 I've played here for many years, 538 00:39:35,929 --> 00:39:38,769 but believe me, if I play one or two games not good, 539 00:39:39,411 --> 00:39:42,291 these people can destroy me." 540 00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:48,100 I got it as a joke but then I felt that it ... 541 00:39:48,130 --> 00:39:51,450 That it was not. 542 00:39:54,570 --> 00:39:56,410 Despite being a home-grown player, I've suffered things 543 00:39:56,531 --> 00:39:57,651 that crossed the line. 544 00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:00,610 In 2003, I was the "Cancer of Barça." 545 00:40:00,729 --> 00:40:04,129 In 2014, I was "old and good for nothing." 546 00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:06,500 It's a roller coaster. 547 00:40:06,169 --> 00:40:10,529 Barça is the most difficult club in the world. 548 00:40:10,649 --> 00:40:11,689 No doubt about it. 549 00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:16,130 Imagine for a new signing. It must be twice as difficult. 550 00:40:16,249 --> 00:40:18,849 I felt this difference, that I needed to learn 551 00:40:18,968 --> 00:40:21,480 this language of football, 552 00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:24,370 how to create space, how to defend, 553 00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:28,610 and all the things that the players were already playing. 554 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,888 We played a game against Osasuna ... 555 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:38,889 and Osasuna were not defending well that area. 556 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,248 The guy there was not tucking in well. 557 00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:46,370 So that day Chygrynskiy played because he had a great left foot. 558 00:40:46,488 --> 00:40:48,848 He could ping the ball well with his left and right foot. 559 00:40:48,968 --> 00:40:50,208 But an amazing left foot. 560 00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:53,609 We were going to always play in the center back ... 561 00:40:53,729 --> 00:40:56,809 that was going to play across for Xavi. 562 00:40:56,928 --> 00:40:59,728 Whenever we were moving, Xavi stayed in that zone. 563 00:41:00,649 --> 00:41:02,209 So that was the exit. 564 00:41:02,328 --> 00:41:03,888 But what was funny that day 565 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,648 is that Chygrynskiy twice played the ball long for Zlatan. 566 00:41:08,768 --> 00:41:09,768 And it was on. 567 00:41:09,887 --> 00:41:12,207 Zlatan nearly went one v one with the keeper. 568 00:41:14,767 --> 00:41:16,727 Pep took him off at half-time ... 569 00:41:19,208 --> 00:41:21,528 because he didn't respect the pattern. 570 00:41:21,648 --> 00:41:26,728 That's the way he studied that team and that's the way he asked us to play. 571 00:41:26,848 --> 00:41:31,328 The vocabulary of Guardiola or my father is building up from behind, 572 00:41:31,447 --> 00:41:32,447 possession, 573 00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:36,928 the speed of the ball is more important than the speed of the legs, 574 00:41:37,527 --> 00:41:41,167 always play attractive football to keep your fans happy. 575 00:41:41,487 --> 00:41:43,727 I mean, there are so many similarities. 576 00:41:43,848 --> 00:41:45,608 When you play for Barcelona 577 00:41:45,726 --> 00:41:47,366 and especially after Guardiola came, 578 00:41:47,487 --> 00:41:51,687 that's where you really learn how to play the Barcelona way. 579 00:41:51,807 --> 00:41:56,607 It's 11, not just the strikers or not just the midfielders. 580 00:41:56,728 --> 00:42:00,528 The 11 players have to participate to create the chance. 581 00:42:00,646 --> 00:42:05,686 Basically, what we want to do is try to put the ball to the strikers ... 582 00:42:05,806 --> 00:42:08,966 with a really good pass, so that they can have one on one. 583 00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:12,287 But obviously if you pass them a long ball ... 584 00:42:12,407 --> 00:42:15,767 that's not really easy to control, 585 00:42:15,886 --> 00:42:18,606 the striker will not do his job. 586 00:42:18,725 --> 00:42:22,645 It's all about starting from the back, to the strikers. 587 00:42:25,487 --> 00:42:27,487 Pep took risks all over the pitch. 588 00:42:27,606 --> 00:42:33,460 I think he made two great innovations as our coach, 589 00:42:33,606 --> 00:42:35,886 One was pressing after losing the ball 590 00:42:36,325 --> 00:42:39,525 and the other was playing out from the back. 591 00:42:44,766 --> 00:42:46,846 I remember my first conversation with Guardiola as coach. 592 00:42:46,967 --> 00:42:49,527 It was in his office at the Camp Nou. 593 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:54,460 He had a tactics board with two small magnets ... 594 00:42:54,165 --> 00:42:58,805 either side of the goal, just outside of the box. 595 00:42:58,925 --> 00:43:01,765 He said, "Do you know which players these two are ?" 596 00:43:02,406 --> 00:43:04,606 I said, "Nope." 597 00:43:04,726 --> 00:43:07,206 And he said, "These are your center-backs." 598 00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:12,205 I had no idea what he was talking about. It sounded Chinese. 599 00:43:12,326 --> 00:43:18,566 And he said, "When you've got the ball, this is where I want them to be." 600 00:43:20,165 --> 00:43:22,725 I thought he was crazy. 601 00:43:23,485 --> 00:43:29,365 And then he said, "You'll pass to them, and from there we'll build the play." 602 00:43:29,484 --> 00:43:33,400 I still thought he was completely mad, 603 00:43:33,125 --> 00:43:36,885 but given that I'm a bit crazy myself, I felt in tune with him. 604 00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:39,645 So I told him the defenders would have to be brave ... 605 00:43:39,764 --> 00:43:42,764 and want the ball. 606 00:43:42,886 --> 00:43:46,126 And Pep said, "Don't worry, that's my job. 607 00:43:46,245 --> 00:43:47,765 I'll make sure they want it." 608 00:43:48,245 --> 00:43:49,525 That's how it started. 609 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,440 Both Pep and Tito took this idea one step further. 610 00:43:58,685 --> 00:44:04,565 They told us not to worry ... 611 00:44:04,684 --> 00:44:06,204 because if we made a mistake, 612 00:44:06,324 --> 00:44:08,164 they would take responsibility. 613 00:44:08,285 --> 00:44:10,725 All they asked was that we play the ball out from the back ... 614 00:44:10,845 --> 00:44:17,365 because that was the way Barça had to play football. 615 00:44:20,243 --> 00:44:23,683 He would show us how he wanted us to play the ball out from the back. 616 00:44:23,804 --> 00:44:25,764 He said that by doing this, we'd score. 617 00:44:25,882 --> 00:44:28,842 So why would I stop playing that Way if I made a mistake ? 618 00:44:28,964 --> 00:44:32,524 We both knew that it was risky. 619 00:44:32,644 --> 00:44:36,444 But he would say, "Don't worry if you make a mistake. 620 00:44:36,964 --> 00:44:39,444 Just keep playing exactly the same way." 621 00:44:59,364 --> 00:45:02,444 We believe it's about much more than just winning. 622 00:45:02,563 --> 00:45:05,403 The message isn't "win, win, win". 623 00:45:05,523 --> 00:45:07,283 Winning is a result of how you play. 624 00:45:07,403 --> 00:45:09,363 The philosophy is the most important thing. 625 00:45:09,843 --> 00:45:13,300 You know you've done something when people just want to watch you play. 626 00:45:13,830 --> 00:45:14,830 Not win. 627 00:45:14,883 --> 00:45:18,883 When you talk about Barcelona, you're talking about the way they play, 628 00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,561 the beauty of the game. 629 00:45:27,682 --> 00:45:31,402 You go home and you go like, "You should watch the second goal ... 630 00:45:31,522 --> 00:45:34,420 and, by the way, they won." 631 00:45:45,522 --> 00:45:49,402 There was a sign on the door of the coaches' room, which said, 632 00:45:49,521 --> 00:45:55,881 "If you're offering us a youth player who's less than 1.8 meters tall, 633 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,282 turn around and go home." 634 00:45:57,401 --> 00:46:01,761 It was Cruyff who changed that, when he returned as manager. 635 00:46:01,881 --> 00:46:08,410 He believed that talent was the key and height was irrelevant. 636 00:46:11,881 --> 00:46:13,161 From then on, players were judged only on their quality. 637 00:46:13,281 --> 00:46:17,810 Is he good or not ? Regardless of their height. 638 00:46:17,201 --> 00:46:20,721 Look at Jordi, Xavi, Messi and Andrés. 639 00:46:20,842 --> 00:46:25,420 On top of each other they barely reach normal height. They're all tiny ! 640 00:46:26,601 --> 00:46:30,100 Small players have enormous advantages over big players. 641 00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:33,121 They can start, stop and turn quicker. 642 00:46:33,242 --> 00:46:35,122 The best players are all small. 643 00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:38,482 Messi has given a lot of people, 644 00:46:38,602 --> 00:46:42,820 a lot of young football dreamers, a whole new hope. 645 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,560 It's not about the 1 meter 80. 646 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,240 It's much more than that. 647 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,800 It's intelligence. 648 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,760 In the end, if the brain is faster than the ball, 649 00:46:53,481 --> 00:46:54,601 you dominate. 650 00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,279 One of my friends worked in the youth academy, 651 00:47:06,921 --> 00:47:09,881 when Messi was 14 or 15. 652 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,240 I always asked about the kids, which of them looked special, 653 00:47:14,361 --> 00:47:17,241 who was likely to make it and reach the first team. 654 00:47:17,919 --> 00:47:20,679 He said to me, "There's this kid from Argentina, 655 00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:24,279 and I've never seen anyone with the talent he's got." 656 00:47:24,401 --> 00:47:28,810 When Messi started training with us at the age of 16, 657 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,760 we all realized he was special. 658 00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:03,679 I had a big network of scouts in South America. 659 00:48:03,798 --> 00:48:08,958 One of them told me there was a kid in Rosario. 660 00:48:09,790 --> 00:48:13,519 He was only 12 years old but he was unique. 661 00:48:13,638 --> 00:48:18,318 Nowadays, clubs invest in youngsters, but it didn't happen back then. 662 00:48:18,439 --> 00:48:23,359 It wasn't easy, but Charly Rexach helped and we decided to bring him over. 663 00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:26,318 Nobody wanted to take a risk on me. 664 00:48:27,398 --> 00:48:31,478 It was a big gamble to sign such a small kid from abroad, 665 00:48:31,598 --> 00:48:34,998 and bring him to Barcelona. 666 00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:40,319 It was Charly Rexach who made it happen. 667 00:48:40,439 --> 00:48:44,639 He came to watch me play and told me that Barça definitely wanted me. 668 00:48:45,399 --> 00:48:48,879 It was thanks to him and the coaches who wanted to sign me, 669 00:48:48,998 --> 00:48:51,638 although there were some who didn't. 670 00:48:51,758 --> 00:48:58,118 But mainly it's thanks to Charly that I signed for Barça. 671 00:48:59,877 --> 00:49:01,557 I've always said it was an honor to have brought Messi to this club. 672 00:49:01,678 --> 00:49:04,278 My small part in Messi's arrival 673 00:49:04,398 --> 00:49:08,198 was that I kept nagging until we signed him. 674 00:49:08,598 --> 00:49:11,358 If you went to the board back then, 675 00:49:11,478 --> 00:49:15,158 and told them that we needed to sign a 12-year-old kid, 676 00:49:15,276 --> 00:49:17,516 their first reaction was, 677 00:49:17,637 --> 00:49:20,517 "Let's talk again in eight years." 678 00:49:20,637 --> 00:49:22,597 But I said, "No. We have to sign him. 679 00:49:23,196 --> 00:49:28,116 He's very good, and one day, he'll be incredible." 680 00:49:28,236 --> 00:49:31,760 That was my success. I insisted on it. 681 00:49:31,198 --> 00:49:36,318 Even back then, it was already obvious that Messi was out of this world. 682 00:49:39,837 --> 00:49:42,557 So I told Rexach that I needed something in writing. 683 00:49:42,676 --> 00:49:44,636 His parents had been here a month, 684 00:49:44,757 --> 00:49:49,597 and I kept reassuring them, but there was no official agreement. 685 00:49:49,717 --> 00:49:52,197 We were at the Pompeia Tennis Club on Montjuic, 686 00:49:52,316 --> 00:49:58,116 and there were napkins on the table, so Rexach took one and wrote, 687 00:49:58,236 --> 00:50:01,196 "I, Carles Rexach, advisor to the president, 688 00:50:01,315 --> 00:50:05,355 confirm that Leo Messi has the qualities to sign for FC Barcelona." 689 00:50:05,476 --> 00:50:07,196 He signed it and then I signed it. 690 00:50:07,317 --> 00:50:09,197 We still have the napkin stored in the bank ... 691 00:50:09,317 --> 00:50:14,117 because it's delicate and it needs looking after. 692 00:50:15,436 --> 00:50:18,636 By signing the napkin, I wanted to show Messi's family ... 693 00:50:18,755 --> 00:50:21,515 that I was committed to signing him for FC Barcelona. 694 00:50:22,996 --> 00:50:26,236 I think Barcelona and Messi just ... It was destined. 695 00:50:26,356 --> 00:50:28,236 It just had to be this way. 696 00:50:28,355 --> 00:50:31,235 He came to the best club that he could have. 697 00:50:52,876 --> 00:50:54,716 It was difficult at first. 698 00:50:55,475 --> 00:51:00,750 I was very young and everything was new. 699 00:51:00,196 --> 00:51:04,236 I'd left behind family members, friends, my country. 700 00:51:04,354 --> 00:51:10,634 It was tough to start with, but I managed to settle in. 701 00:51:10,756 --> 00:51:13,196 Most of us knew that a phenomenon was coming. 702 00:51:13,315 --> 00:51:15,635 But the Gamper tournament was the proof. 703 00:51:15,755 --> 00:51:16,915 It was the first night, 704 00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:18,834 of which there have been so many since, 705 00:51:18,955 --> 00:51:23,755 when 99,000 lucky people at the Camp Nou simply paid homage ... 706 00:51:23,874 --> 00:51:26,914 to something more exciting, more uplifting ... 707 00:51:27,340 --> 00:51:28,914 than they'd ever witnessed before. 708 00:51:29,594 --> 00:51:33,194 I was there that night and the effect was spine-tingling. 709 00:51:42,793 --> 00:51:44,393 It was a very special day, 710 00:51:44,514 --> 00:51:49,194 and I loved every minute. 711 00:51:49,913 --> 00:51:52,473 It was the Gamper tournament, 712 00:51:52,593 --> 00:51:58,113 and I was in the starting XI. 713 00:51:59,234 --> 00:52:03,994 It was a huge moment for me because after that game, 714 00:52:04,114 --> 00:52:07,340 everything changed. 715 00:52:07,153 --> 00:52:10,553 That's where it all started. 716 00:52:12,953 --> 00:52:16,553 I remember telling Patrick Vieira before that match ... 717 00:52:16,674 --> 00:52:21,954 to be very careful because he was up against a young kid ... 718 00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:24,634 who would change history. 719 00:52:24,753 --> 00:52:29,193 One day, it would seem like every player who came before Messi, even me, 720 00:52:29,314 --> 00:52:31,554 were playing a different sport. 721 00:52:32,953 --> 00:52:35,113 It was incredible what this kid was doing ... 722 00:52:35,233 --> 00:52:38,913 against the likes of Vieira, a first team player at Juve. 723 00:52:39,554 --> 00:52:44,740 He was drifting past big, physical players. 724 00:52:44,193 --> 00:52:46,433 Messi just did whatever he wanted. 725 00:52:46,552 --> 00:52:50,872 And Capello asked if he could take him on loan. 726 00:52:59,352 --> 00:53:00,712 Capello's no fool ! 727 00:53:01,953 --> 00:53:03,793 Initially, I didn't know anything about Messi. 728 00:53:03,912 --> 00:53:08,112 Only that he was going to play. 729 00:53:08,233 --> 00:53:10,473 I saw that he was just a young kid, 730 00:53:10,592 --> 00:53:15,832 but when the game started, he began doing incredible things. 731 00:53:15,952 --> 00:53:19,720 Rijkaard was the Barcelona coach back then. 732 00:53:20,152 --> 00:53:24,592 It was the Gamper trophy, a friendly match. 733 00:53:24,711 --> 00:53:28,271 The referee wasn't that strict and we could move about, 734 00:53:28,391 --> 00:53:30,631 so I walked over to Rijkaard, 735 00:53:30,752 --> 00:53:37,720 and asked if I could take Messi on loan. 736 00:53:37,191 --> 00:53:41,310 You weren't allowed as many foreigners in your team back then. 737 00:53:41,152 --> 00:53:43,992 I said, "You've already got three foreign players. 738 00:53:44,111 --> 00:53:46,231 There's no place for him". 739 00:53:46,352 --> 00:53:51,872 But Rijkaard said that they were already looking for a solution, 740 00:53:51,991 --> 00:53:58,231 and Messi would be a regular in the team very soon. 741 00:53:58,831 --> 00:53:59,831 It's just ... 742 00:54:01,791 --> 00:54:02,831 How do you describe it ? 743 00:54:02,910 --> 00:54:06,990 Basically everyone knew this guy is going to be the best in the world. 744 00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:08,830 And there was no doubt about it. 745 00:54:33,911 --> 00:54:35,310 I knew about his goal scoring ability, 746 00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:39,700 and fortunately, Guardiola put him in that false nine position. 747 00:54:39,191 --> 00:54:41,791 It meant that alongside Eto'o and the other strikers, 748 00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:46,300 he had more freedom in attack. 749 00:54:46,631 --> 00:54:52,631 That tactical change was a huge benefit to him. 750 00:55:16,991 --> 00:55:19,511 It's very difficult to pick Leo's best goal. 751 00:55:19,630 --> 00:55:23,150 The one he scored against Getafe comes to mind. 752 00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:26,149 When you see what he produces day in day out, 753 00:55:26,268 --> 00:55:28,680 it's impossible to choose one goal. 754 00:55:38,668 --> 00:55:41,588 They were just flashes of Maradona against England. 755 00:55:42,190 --> 00:55:44,910 And I knew at that time, 756 00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:48,869 right in the moment that I've witnessed something incredible here. 757 00:55:48,988 --> 00:55:51,788 It's one of his great goals, probably one of the greatest, 758 00:55:51,908 --> 00:55:54,788 but if you get a video of his goals, 759 00:55:55,948 --> 00:56:01,748 he's probably scored another 50 like it, which makes him exceptional. 760 00:56:10,749 --> 00:56:16,469 One of my favorites is the goal he scored against Arsenal. 761 00:56:16,908 --> 00:56:20,280 It was like watching someone on the PlayStation. 762 00:56:20,147 --> 00:56:26,707 He flicks it over Almunia at the last second and then scores. 763 00:56:35,187 --> 00:56:36,787 I love it because of that skill. 764 00:56:36,908 --> 00:56:40,108 Any other player would smash it into the net first time, 765 00:56:40,226 --> 00:56:45,506 but he had the composure to flick the ball up and then finish. 766 00:56:45,629 --> 00:56:49,149 The best goal I've seen him score was against Málaga at home ... 767 00:56:49,507 --> 00:56:51,787 because that defied logic what he did. 768 00:56:53,106 --> 00:56:55,986 Diagonal ball, controlled the ball on his chest, 769 00:56:56,748 --> 00:56:58,348 he runs full speed. 770 00:57:00,670 --> 00:57:03,347 The first player goes, the second player's just behind him. 771 00:57:05,267 --> 00:57:08,547 If he takes another step that player will clear the ball. 772 00:57:08,668 --> 00:57:11,508 OK, if you stop the ball on your left foot here, 773 00:57:12,787 --> 00:57:17,627 how do you go back with that same leg to touch the ball in the air, 774 00:57:18,546 --> 00:57:20,546 to make sure that guy doesn't touch it ? 775 00:57:20,666 --> 00:57:22,106 Then he almost fell. 776 00:57:22,227 --> 00:57:25,147 He almost fell and smashed it to first post, top corner. 777 00:57:26,225 --> 00:57:27,385 That's not normal. 778 00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:34,786 Regardless of the fact that he's Messi, in training, he wants to win. 779 00:57:34,906 --> 00:57:38,906 He'll get annoyed if he doesn't get the ball ... 780 00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:41,107 and angry if he's fouled. 781 00:57:41,226 --> 00:57:44,146 And that tells you a lot about a champion like him. 782 00:57:44,267 --> 00:57:48,707 In training, if the boss doesn't call a foul or whatever, 783 00:57:48,825 --> 00:57:53,250 he used to go and ask, "It's not a foul ? OK." 784 00:57:53,145 --> 00:57:57,345 He used to go and get the ball, run past everyone, score. 785 00:57:58,660 --> 00:57:59,546 Now you get the ball, you try to go, 786 00:57:59,667 --> 00:58:02,507 he runs after you, gets the ball back, scores, 787 00:58:02,866 --> 00:58:07,306 until he gets in a normal state again and he relaxes. 788 00:58:07,426 --> 00:58:09,260 Next thing you know you're 3-1 down. 789 00:58:09,425 --> 00:58:12,825 He's a player who's different from the rest. 790 00:58:13,425 --> 00:58:15,625 He's very talented and earns lots of money, 791 00:58:15,746 --> 00:58:21,266 but when you meet him it's like he isn't a star at all. 792 00:58:24,704 --> 00:58:30,624 I've known him for ten or 12 years and he's not the most outgoing person ... 793 00:58:30,745 --> 00:58:34,625 but he's just a normal, humble guy. 794 00:58:34,744 --> 00:58:36,504 He's very quiet, 795 00:58:36,625 --> 00:58:40,265 but when his feet do the talking, he's unique. 796 00:58:40,385 --> 00:58:42,145 He's an absolute winner. 797 00:58:42,264 --> 00:58:46,624 He has the desire to always be the best on the pitch, 798 00:58:46,744 --> 00:58:50,584 and that's why he became the best player in the history of this game. 799 00:58:56,264 --> 00:59:00,904 I was lucky enough to play against Pelé and Cruyff. 800 00:59:01,250 --> 00:59:02,265 I watched Maradona play. 801 00:59:02,384 --> 00:59:06,984 They have all made a big difference in this sport. 802 00:59:07,104 --> 00:59:09,224 But nowadays there is no one like Leo Messi. 803 00:59:09,344 --> 00:59:12,904 He does things that other players can't even think about doing. 804 00:59:15,825 --> 00:59:18,650 He does the impossible, the incredible. 805 00:59:18,185 --> 00:59:21,105 He moves at a different speed to everyone else. 806 00:59:22,383 --> 00:59:26,503 It's like the ball is glued to his foot and he keeps showing it to you 807 00:59:26,624 --> 00:59:31,304 and just when you think you can get it, it's already too late. 808 00:59:32,743 --> 00:59:39,663 It's difficult to talk about Leo and put it into our words ... 809 00:59:39,784 --> 00:59:41,584 because he's not on our planet. 810 00:59:43,342 --> 00:59:45,822 In every game I'd be watching, waiting to see what he would do 811 00:59:45,943 --> 00:59:48,863 because he's the player who wins you every game. 812 00:59:49,543 --> 00:59:53,303 When he takes the ball, something's going to happen. 813 00:59:56,864 --> 00:59:58,944 He's capable of starting the move and finishing it off, as well. 814 01:00:01,620 --> 01:00:03,742 Normally, players can do one or the other, 815 01:00:06,182 --> 01:00:07,622 But he's different. 816 01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:11,583 He's better than you with his right foot, left foot and head, 817 01:00:11,704 --> 01:00:13,584 at defending and attacking. 818 01:00:13,702 --> 01:00:14,782 He's faster, 819 01:00:16,624 --> 01:00:18,864 better at dribbling and passing. 820 01:00:26,461 --> 01:00:27,821 Goalkeeper ? 821 01:00:27,942 --> 01:00:30,662 Well, we haven't put him in goal yet. 822 01:00:30,782 --> 01:00:34,782 But watch out if he tries that too ! 823 01:00:43,422 --> 01:00:46,342 The impact and importance of Cruyff as a player, 824 01:00:46,461 --> 01:00:49,341 and then the Dream Team coach at Barça, huge. 825 01:00:49,461 --> 01:00:51,901 But Joan Laporta's devotion to the Dutchman ... 826 01:00:52,210 --> 01:00:53,741 meant that he stood for election, 827 01:00:53,861 --> 01:00:55,501 and once he won the presidency, 828 01:00:55,622 --> 01:00:58,582 he ushered in that golden era of all-time ... 829 01:00:59,221 --> 01:01:03,621 by handing the GPS to Cruyff, about the football philosophy, 830 01:01:03,741 --> 01:01:06,501 and the appointment of the right men to implement it. 831 01:01:06,941 --> 01:01:10,101 It's for those three things : great player, brilliant coach, 832 01:01:10,223 --> 01:01:12,703 and the greatest ever professor, 833 01:01:12,822 --> 01:01:15,422 that Cruyff has become the most important man ... 834 01:01:15,542 --> 01:01:18,220 in the history of professional football. 835 01:01:18,702 --> 01:01:23,262 I think it was ... it was crucial, the contribution of Cruyff. 836 01:01:23,382 --> 01:01:25,942 It wasn't like a day-to-day office job, 837 01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:30,622 but we knew that he was providing ideas and support. 838 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,580 He advised us on all of our football decisions. 839 01:01:34,701 --> 01:01:37,901 Johan created and developed a certain style of football, 840 01:01:38,220 --> 01:01:44,102 and Rijkaard contributed his own personality, ideas and experience. 841 01:01:50,180 --> 01:01:51,340 People remember Pep's time in charge ... 842 01:01:51,461 --> 01:01:53,381 because it was a very successful era, 843 01:01:53,501 --> 01:01:57,221 but I'll never forget Frank's time at the club, 844 01:01:57,340 --> 01:01:59,700 which was also a very successful few years. 845 01:02:00,140 --> 01:02:05,100 During Madrid's Galáctico era, they were winning everything, 846 01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:07,220 and it felt like we couldn't beat them. 847 01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:09,700 But with Rijkaard, we put an end to that, 848 01:02:09,820 --> 01:02:14,540 which for me personally was a very proud moment. 849 01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:28,990 Barça was already a huge brand, 850 01:02:28,219 --> 01:02:32,259 but we were looking at the museum and there was only one Champions League. 851 01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:45,979 If you watch the final, I don't think we deserved to lose. 852 01:03:11,218 --> 01:03:13,338 After the births of my children, that was the best night of my life. 853 01:03:13,459 --> 01:03:20,419 I honestly thought it would be my last game for Barça ... 854 01:03:20,619 --> 01:03:23,299 because I'd had a really tough year. 855 01:03:23,419 --> 01:03:27,859 It was thanks to Frank that I played that day. 856 01:03:27,978 --> 01:03:30,458 He was like a father to me. 857 01:03:30,579 --> 01:03:35,499 And in the end, we lifted the European Cup together. 858 01:03:41,580 --> 01:03:43,178 After winning in Paris, that magical point, 859 01:03:43,299 --> 01:03:48,219 that turning point for the club, the following season wasn't that good. 860 01:03:48,338 --> 01:03:53,338 The leading players were not really leading the group properly. 861 01:03:54,580 --> 01:03:57,978 Maybe we had so much success so early that maybe it was too early. 862 01:03:58,738 --> 01:04:01,898 Slowly, but steadily, we were going in the wrong direction. 863 01:04:02,180 --> 01:04:05,858 The second season that I was here, Rijkaard was still in charge. 864 01:04:05,978 --> 01:04:12,218 I think it's one of the worst seasons in the recent history of Barcelona, 865 01:04:12,337 --> 01:04:13,617 where we came third. 866 01:04:14,977 --> 01:04:17,737 We went backwards after winning in Paris, 867 01:04:17,857 --> 01:04:19,617 and winning the league. 868 01:04:19,737 --> 01:04:25,170 We'd stopped competing. we'd lost our fire, our hunger. 869 01:04:25,137 --> 01:04:28,970 You could sense through the season that it was the end of an era. 870 01:04:28,218 --> 01:04:29,498 People wanted a change, 871 01:04:29,617 --> 01:04:32,977 and I was part of the people that they wanted out. 872 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:34,936 It was very difficult. 873 01:04:39,580 --> 01:04:41,618 I've only been sent off twice: Once because the referee made a mistake, 874 01:04:41,737 --> 01:04:43,177 and once at the Bernabéu. 875 01:04:50,496 --> 01:04:52,256 I felt angry and powerless. 876 01:04:52,376 --> 01:04:54,176 They were running rings around us. 877 01:04:54,297 --> 01:04:59,577 Never mind 4-1, we could have lost 7-1. 878 01:04:59,696 --> 01:05:02,856 It was one of the worst nights of my career, 879 01:05:02,976 --> 01:05:05,256 and the same goes for Puyol and everyone else. 880 01:05:10,456 --> 01:05:14,960 It just wasn't good enough. Not for the standards people set here. 881 01:05:14,217 --> 01:05:15,897 Not good enough for the club. 882 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,496 And not good enough if you look at the players that we had. 883 01:05:19,616 --> 01:05:21,176 Something had to change. 884 01:05:31,977 --> 01:05:35,617 Mourinho does come out of this story as the bad guy, 885 01:05:35,695 --> 01:05:39,135 but in 2008, he was a perfectly legitimate candidate ... 886 01:05:39,255 --> 01:05:41,775 to succeed the failing Frank Rijkaard. 887 01:05:42,417 --> 01:05:43,417 He's a winner, 888 01:05:43,535 --> 01:05:47,375 and it felt like a safer choice because he was a big brand, 889 01:05:47,496 --> 01:05:52,960 and he'd recently coached Chelsea, etc., and he was on the market. 890 01:05:53,375 --> 01:05:54,895 It was a long process, there were many board members 891 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,160 who wanted Mourinho. 892 01:05:56,135 --> 01:06:02,455 They argued that we needed a manager who would get results quickly. 893 01:06:03,135 --> 01:06:07,255 Given there were four or five directors keen on Mourinho, 894 01:06:07,376 --> 01:06:14,560 the vice president organized a meeting with him and off he went. 895 01:06:14,334 --> 01:06:17,294 By that time he was employing the 4-3-3, 896 01:06:17,414 --> 01:06:18,974 he even prepared a PowerPoint ... 897 01:06:19,950 --> 01:06:23,895 with some pitch positions of the players and typical movements. 898 01:06:24,140 --> 01:06:26,574 I'm sure he would have been successful. 899 01:06:32,494 --> 01:06:33,654 Mourinho helped us a lot when we were young players. 900 01:06:33,775 --> 01:06:40,550 Van Gaal often sent him to take Barça B training. 901 01:06:43,550 --> 01:06:45,950 I was with the under-19s and he'd coach us once a week. 902 01:06:45,214 --> 01:06:51,334 It was the same style of football, the Barça philosophy. 903 01:06:52,933 --> 01:06:55,173 The rondo, possession, holding onto the ball, positional play. 904 01:06:55,294 --> 01:06:57,534 We worked on all of that with Mourinho. 905 01:06:57,653 --> 01:07:00,413 You could understand that Mourinho felt ... 906 01:07:00,533 --> 01:07:03,853 he should be in charge of making Barça the greatest team in the world. 907 01:07:04,214 --> 01:07:07,254 But by 2008, Mourinho had changed radically. 908 01:07:07,373 --> 01:07:12,130 It was about power, height, athleticism, over technique. 909 01:07:13,775 --> 01:07:15,375 When he went to Chelsea, 910 01:07:15,492 --> 01:07:19,412 Mourinho's philosophy of the game changed. 911 01:07:19,774 --> 01:07:23,940 It's a very different style to the football we play at Barça. 912 01:07:27,133 --> 01:07:30,130 We wanted to stay faithful to Cruyff's philosophy. 913 01:07:31,534 --> 01:07:36,534 The president and Johan were good friends, 914 01:07:36,654 --> 01:07:40,614 and Laporta had complete confidence in Johan's opinion. 915 01:07:40,733 --> 01:07:44,533 Johan told him the man for the job was training the youth team. 916 01:07:45,293 --> 01:07:47,293 All he needed to do was promote him. 917 01:07:47,733 --> 01:07:51,693 There's a lot of football players ... There were a lot of football players 918 01:07:51,813 --> 01:07:54,930 that came to visit my father periodically. 919 01:07:54,213 --> 01:07:55,213 My father loved that. 920 01:07:55,333 --> 01:08:00,130 And I know Pep also loved that, and I know that they were meeting a lot. 921 01:08:00,132 --> 01:08:04,332 So when my father had, what we could call a crazy idea 922 01:08:04,453 --> 01:08:07,213 that the coach who was in Barça B in the third division, 923 01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:10,653 or the third level at the time, to say, "Put him in the first team." 924 01:08:10,772 --> 01:08:13,292 That's a big gamble. 925 01:08:14,613 --> 01:08:15,693 I asked them if they thought Pep was ready, 926 01:08:16,372 --> 01:08:20,172 and Txiki Begiristain and Johan, who saw him regularly, said he was. 927 01:08:20,692 --> 01:08:22,932 Mourinho's agent called me and said, 928 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,412 "Are you going to appoint Mourinho or not ? 929 01:08:25,533 --> 01:08:30,333 Because if you're interested, we need to talk." 930 01:08:30,452 --> 01:08:33,572 And I said to him, "No, Jorge. We've chosen Pep Guardiola." 931 01:08:34,172 --> 01:08:36,852 So I told Pep that I wanted him to be the next manager ... 932 01:08:36,971 --> 01:08:38,731 if the season didn't end well. 933 01:08:39,211 --> 01:08:46,211 We were having lunch and Pep, half in jest, said to me, 934 01:08:46,571 --> 01:08:50,651 "If you appoint me as coach I'll win everything for you." 935 01:08:50,772 --> 01:08:51,932 He honestly said that. 936 01:09:01,731 --> 01:09:03,571 When I heard that Guardiola would be our new manager, 937 01:09:03,691 --> 01:09:06,731 I knew that everything would go well. 938 01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:09,890 I hadn't worked with him as a coach but we were teammates, 939 01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:13,410 and I knew what a perfectionist he was. 940 01:09:13,531 --> 01:09:15,331 And I thought, this is going to be great. 941 01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:20,770 In retrospect, it's remarkable, but because of Euro 2008, 942 01:09:20,892 --> 01:09:24,572 Guardiola's appointment had garnered very little media coverage in Spain ... 943 01:09:24,690 --> 01:09:26,410 until the day of his presentation ... 944 01:09:26,531 --> 01:09:30,651 when he sits there, lean, young, full head of hair, 945 01:09:30,771 --> 01:09:33,910 the returning local hero and says, 946 01:09:33,211 --> 01:09:37,171 "Everything changes." Ronaldinho, out ! Deco, out ! 947 01:09:37,290 --> 01:09:41,900 Eto'o, out ! Or, at best, third choice striker. 948 01:09:41,211 --> 01:09:44,771 It was his statement of : "I'm in charge." 949 01:09:46,411 --> 01:09:49,691 Just imagine what Samuel was like when he heard that. 950 01:09:49,810 --> 01:09:55,330 It was like an explosion. 951 01:10:03,490 --> 01:10:04,409 Given the kind of player I was, 952 01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:07,170 and considering what I'd done for the club, 953 01:10:07,289 --> 01:10:10,969 it would have been nice for Pep to have called me with the news. 954 01:10:11,890 --> 01:10:13,129 It's always better to be straight with people. 955 01:10:13,249 --> 01:10:15,449 It was a big shock to find out that way. 956 01:10:18,489 --> 01:10:21,889 Tactically, he's the best in the world. I've always said that. 957 01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:23,970 He understands the game better than anyone, 958 01:10:24,910 --> 01:10:25,531 but I'll be even better ... 959 01:10:26,248 --> 01:10:28,480 because I'll be up front with people. 960 01:10:30,249 --> 01:10:32,289 Samuel took training seriously. He trained as hard as he played. 961 01:10:33,329 --> 01:10:35,169 Every manager loved Eto'o ... 962 01:10:35,289 --> 01:10:40,900 but at training, it was all or nothing with him, 963 01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:42,900 and he often caused problems. 964 01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:46,730 I remember Rijkaard told me we had to get rid of Samuel ... 965 01:10:46,848 --> 01:10:51,808 because he grabbed one of the assistants by the scruff of the neck ... 966 01:10:51,928 --> 01:10:54,208 for giving him offside in training. 967 01:10:54,328 --> 01:10:56,728 But that passion is also good. 968 01:10:57,210 --> 01:11:00,570 I remember the pre-season training camp in St Andrews. 969 01:11:00,689 --> 01:11:02,900 We were all curious. 970 01:11:02,127 --> 01:11:04,327 We'd sold Deco and Ronaldinho, 971 01:11:04,969 --> 01:11:06,609 but I was keen to keep Eto'o, 972 01:11:06,728 --> 01:11:10,448 and I told him that I'd try to keep him. 973 01:11:11,767 --> 01:11:12,807 He was brilliant during that pre-season. 974 01:11:12,929 --> 01:11:15,729 He worked harder and ran more than anyone else. 975 01:11:17,208 --> 01:11:20,888 In the pre-season games he scored more than anyone. 976 01:11:22,127 --> 01:11:25,167 So the captains went to see Pep ... 977 01:11:25,289 --> 01:11:27,409 I hope Pep doesn't get annoyed I'm sharing this ! 978 01:11:27,527 --> 01:11:31,607 They told Pep that ... Eto'o would be a big help that season. 979 01:11:32,567 --> 01:11:35,870 The guy they wanted to kick out saved them. 980 01:11:35,209 --> 01:11:37,369 Everyone talks about Messi these days, 981 01:11:37,486 --> 01:11:40,366 but the one who made the difference at Barça back then 982 01:11:40,488 --> 01:11:42,448 wasn't Ronaldinho. It was Eto'o. 983 01:11:43,890 --> 01:11:46,209 When things got difficult, it was me they all looked to. 984 01:11:49,767 --> 01:11:52,167 The team could have played without a manager. 985 01:11:52,647 --> 01:11:56,127 Guardiola's job was to reinstall a desire to win, 986 01:11:56,247 --> 01:11:59,127 and he achieved that with his team talks. 987 01:12:09,527 --> 01:12:11,687 After his first team talk in St Andrews ... 988 01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:15,927 I knew that something big was about to happen. 989 01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:20,367 I'd never heard anyone convey a message like that before. 990 01:12:20,486 --> 01:12:25,886 At that moment, everyone knew that things would go well. 991 01:12:27,486 --> 01:12:28,526 Pep spoke to the players a lot. 992 01:12:28,648 --> 01:12:31,648 Maybe his most famous team talk was when he said, 993 01:12:31,768 --> 01:12:35,608 "You can miss a penalty or mess up a pass. 994 01:12:35,726 --> 01:12:36,886 "You're only human. 995 01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:43,567 "But I'll never forgive you if you don't give me 100%." 996 01:12:46,607 --> 01:12:48,367 There are very few people who communicate as well as he does. 997 01:12:48,486 --> 01:12:54,460 He makes his players believe in what they have to do. 998 01:12:54,167 --> 01:12:56,967 And he convinces you that it will work. 999 01:12:57,870 --> 01:12:58,927 From the first minute, 1000 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:05,684 we all believed that a change was coming, 1001 01:13:05,806 --> 01:13:07,726 and that we could achieve big things. 1002 01:13:09,286 --> 01:13:12,446 Pep's team talks were exactly what I needed. 1003 01:13:14,285 --> 01:13:16,925 He was so passionate when he spoke. 1004 01:13:17,486 --> 01:13:18,806 I love a challenge. 1005 01:13:18,925 --> 01:13:23,245 I really like having to work at something important. 1006 01:13:23,365 --> 01:13:26,645 So when they told me everything was going to change at Barça, 1007 01:13:26,764 --> 01:13:29,404 that a new coach and new players were arriving, 1008 01:13:29,524 --> 01:13:31,724 I decided that was where I wanted to be. 1009 01:13:33,525 --> 01:13:34,725 I joined up with the team for pre-season, 1010 01:13:34,846 --> 01:13:36,406 and I needed to talk to Guardiola. 1011 01:13:36,524 --> 01:13:40,124 I told him I'd had offers to join other teams. 1012 01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:43,485 Ten seconds is what it took. 1013 01:13:43,605 --> 01:13:47,285 He told me he had three or four line-ups in mind 1014 01:13:47,805 --> 01:13:50,850 and he couldn't imagine a single one without me in it. 1015 01:13:50,206 --> 01:13:53,926 I told my brother, my agent and everyone else ... 1016 01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:55,804 not to listen to any other offers. 1017 01:13:56,844 --> 01:13:58,804 It was a good start in pre-season, 1018 01:13:58,925 --> 01:14:00,325 and the freshness about the team, 1019 01:14:00,446 --> 01:14:02,926 and a lot of hard work and well-prepared, 1020 01:14:03,450 --> 01:14:05,525 but the season itself didn't start that well. 1021 01:14:13,764 --> 01:14:18,404 I actually saw that game with my father, here at home. 1022 01:14:18,525 --> 01:14:20,245 And they lost to Numancia. 1023 01:14:20,364 --> 01:14:23,524 And immediately the attacks, "He's not prepared for this." 1024 01:14:23,644 --> 01:14:26,324 My father said, "It's one of the best games in years !" 1025 01:14:26,444 --> 01:14:30,724 You know, come on ! Give us a break ! It was not the best game. 1026 01:14:31,124 --> 01:14:34,364 Most of us, including me, probably saw the game and said, 1027 01:14:34,484 --> 01:14:36,284 "Wow ! This doesn't smell good." 1028 01:14:36,724 --> 01:14:39,764 My father never looked at the end product of 90 minutes. 1029 01:14:39,883 --> 01:14:42,963 My father looked at the end product of many years to come. 1030 01:14:53,884 --> 01:14:56,400 It was really a big moment for myself, 1031 01:14:56,125 --> 01:15:00,205 and it was probably an even bigger moment for the team and for the club ... 1032 01:15:00,323 --> 01:15:02,363 because we needed that victory. 1033 01:15:02,723 --> 01:15:05,300 If we'd drawn that game, 1034 01:15:05,123 --> 01:15:08,830 the question marks would have started flying around. 1035 01:15:09,403 --> 01:15:12,723 And once we found that click, once we got that first victory, 1036 01:15:14,364 --> 01:15:15,684 there was no stopping us. 1037 01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:39,363 Guardiola taught us so much, but he also explained why we did things. 1038 01:15:39,483 --> 01:15:41,843 Most of us already understood the reasons ... 1039 01:15:41,964 --> 01:15:45,404 because we'd spent years at Barça, 1040 01:15:45,522 --> 01:15:48,602 but the guys from other clubs noticed a huge change ... 1041 01:15:48,722 --> 01:15:50,522 when Guardiola took over. 1042 01:15:56,820 --> 01:16:00,962 He was the coach who completely changed my outlook. 1043 01:16:02,242 --> 01:16:07,722 When I arrived here he showed me an entirely new way ... 1044 01:16:07,843 --> 01:16:11,483 of seeing, playing, and thinking about football. 1045 01:16:13,801 --> 01:16:17,761 It always reminded me of the tactics of a basketball team, 1046 01:16:17,883 --> 01:16:21,830 when they have the ball and start signaling to each other ... 1047 01:16:21,201 --> 01:16:23,441 that they're going to try a certain play. 1048 01:16:23,562 --> 01:16:24,962 It was a bit like that. 1049 01:16:27,723 --> 01:16:28,843 It was fantastic. 1050 01:16:28,961 --> 01:16:31,410 I was never allowed to kick the ball long, 1051 01:16:31,161 --> 01:16:35,121 and from the very first minute I was involved in the tactics. 1052 01:16:35,242 --> 01:16:37,882 So I had to really concentrate all the time, 1053 01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:44,841 which meant every match flew by really fast. 1054 01:16:44,961 --> 01:16:49,161 It was great because I'd been used to a more direct style of football, 1055 01:16:49,281 --> 01:16:54,721 and sometimes all I'd be thinking about was how boring the games were. 1056 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,360 I was in my element because Guardiola and I shared the same philosophy. 1057 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:05,480 I'd think, don't clear it, pass it, and Guardiola would say exactly that. 1058 01:17:05,599 --> 01:17:11,599 But my football philosophy isn't the same as Abidal's or Henry's ... 1059 01:17:11,721 --> 01:17:14,481 or Hleb's or Yaya Toure's. 1060 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:20,320 They thought they were playing well, and at other clubs they would have been. 1061 01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:23,120 Not at Barça. It's a different kind of football. 1062 01:17:23,481 --> 01:17:26,601 Whoa, hang on ! That's new. Let me assess it. Let me see it. 1063 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,120 Let me put my pride on the side, also. 1064 01:17:29,241 --> 01:17:33,641 Because that team had a lot of guys that are all kings in their country. 1065 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,000 To tell a guy that used to do maybe stuff or whatever, 1066 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,400 "No, stay there. Don't do that. Make that run for him." 1067 01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,199 "What ? What do you mean ? I can play football too !" 1068 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,400 Pep's methods were different. 1069 01:17:46,521 --> 01:17:49,361 He was very hands-on, always intervening. 1070 01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:52,560 I remember Abidal and a few others coming to me and saying, 1071 01:17:52,679 --> 01:17:54,879 "This guy's changing everything !" 1072 01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,520 I wasn't some 15-year-old kid. 1073 01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,920 If you treat me with respect, I'll do the same in return, 1074 01:18:03,390 --> 01:18:04,959 but if not, why should I respect you ? 1075 01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,800 So I said to Pep, "You can't speak to me like that." 1076 01:18:07,919 --> 01:18:10,839 I went to the president and told him, "If this continues, I'm off." 1077 01:18:10,958 --> 01:18:15,118 Abi came from Lyon, where he had another way of playing. 1078 01:18:16,519 --> 01:18:18,359 Look at the Abidal that arrived, 1079 01:18:19,278 --> 01:18:21,878 and look at the Abidal three years after. 1080 01:18:22,599 --> 01:18:25,719 Crosses, putting the ball down and passing it out. 1081 01:18:25,838 --> 01:18:27,918 Before he would have cleared it straight away. 1082 01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:31,719 He wouldn't have been that composed in the last third. 1083 01:18:33,878 --> 01:18:37,398 I think Pep's a football genius. 1084 01:18:37,519 --> 01:18:43,999 Sometimes he can be a bit controlling, checking every last detail. 1085 01:18:44,117 --> 01:18:45,997 Some guys accept and respect that, 1086 01:18:46,118 --> 01:18:50,558 but there are others who say, "You know where you can stick that." 1087 01:18:50,679 --> 01:18:52,839 I arrived here. I was 21. 1088 01:18:52,959 --> 01:18:56,999 And for me it was like love and hate at the same time ... 1089 01:18:57,117 --> 01:19:01,597 because every minute of your life, you have to be focused on football. 1090 01:19:01,718 --> 01:19:04,758 Twelve o'clock you have to go to bed to sleep. 1091 01:19:04,877 --> 01:19:09,370 You have to eat well. He wants to control you in every way. 1092 01:19:09,158 --> 01:19:12,758 "Don't go and watch the tennis, don't stay under the sun, 1093 01:19:12,878 --> 01:19:15,318 don't go to the Formula 1, don't go to this. 1094 01:19:15,438 --> 01:19:16,638 We're here on a mission." 1095 01:19:16,758 --> 01:19:20,758 He wanted to know everything. What we ate, what we ... Whatever ! 1096 01:19:21,317 --> 01:19:22,917 He was so obsessed ... 1097 01:19:23,380 --> 01:19:29,158 that sometimes we had some arguments between him and me. 1098 01:19:30,558 --> 01:19:32,238 Gerard is one of my best friends, 1099 01:19:32,317 --> 01:19:36,277 but I believe a manager has to be like that. 1100 01:19:36,398 --> 01:19:38,958 During training, we always had to give 100%, 1101 01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:41,357 but I'd done that my entire career. 1102 01:19:41,477 --> 01:19:43,877 In my opinion, that's how football should be. 1103 01:19:44,117 --> 01:19:46,370 On the one hand, he was very demanding. 1104 01:19:46,158 --> 01:19:50,438 We all had to have lunch at the training ground every day. 1105 01:19:50,556 --> 01:19:52,596 He controlled our weight, what we ate. 1106 01:19:52,716 --> 01:19:55,996 He completely revolutionized the team's diet. 1107 01:19:56,118 --> 01:19:59,358 But on the other hand, he gave us the night off before matches. 1108 01:20:00,276 --> 01:20:03,916 As a player, he always complained that we spent too much time in hotels. 1109 01:20:05,277 --> 01:20:08,397 Initially, it seemed like a strange decision ... 1110 01:20:08,515 --> 01:20:10,555 because we weren't used to it, 1111 01:20:10,676 --> 01:20:14,516 but I think it was one of the best decisions he made. 1112 01:20:14,637 --> 01:20:17,877 For me where Pep was, at times, ahead of the game ... 1113 01:20:18,877 --> 01:20:21,917 The fact that, Champions League final, 1114 01:20:22,370 --> 01:20:26,997 in the hotel : family, kids, wives. 1115 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:28,956 My brother was in my room, midnight. 1116 01:20:29,597 --> 01:20:35,117 Girlfriend, friends, we're just talking, I made a cup of coffee, chilling. 1117 01:20:35,236 --> 01:20:36,956 You play for any other team, 1118 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:42,316 "Don't do this, don't do that. No. You have to concentrate." 1119 01:20:43,875 --> 01:20:48,555 We were lucky because Pep had only recently retired, 1120 01:20:48,675 --> 01:20:53,155 and he understood what the life of a top footballer was like. 1121 01:20:55,955 --> 01:20:58,715 We'd go to every training session and match with a spring in our step ... 1122 01:20:58,835 --> 01:21:01,475 because he was treating us well. He understood us. 1123 01:21:02,476 --> 01:21:06,556 Listen, I say it every single time to my friends. 1124 01:21:07,156 --> 01:21:09,116 When the ref was blowing the whistle, 1125 01:21:10,835 --> 01:21:13,395 I used to look at the time and say, "Already ?" 1126 01:21:13,515 --> 01:21:15,675 I didn't want the game to end. 1127 01:21:16,275 --> 01:21:20,195 I didn't want the game to end. I was like, "I'm enjoying this." 1128 01:21:22,396 --> 01:21:24,796 We had a great teacher and we were like sponges, 1129 01:21:24,916 --> 01:21:27,276 absorbing everything he taught us. 1130 01:21:27,393 --> 01:21:30,730 It makes no difference how great the teacher is ... 1131 01:21:30,195 --> 01:21:34,875 if the students aren't capable of understanding the message. 1132 01:21:34,994 --> 01:21:38,514 It all came together perfectly. 1133 01:21:44,350 --> 01:21:45,195 We won everything because we were the best team, 1134 01:21:45,316 --> 01:21:48,396 but we also had the luck of champions. 1135 01:21:48,514 --> 01:21:50,834 There were some epic moments that season. 1136 01:21:50,955 --> 01:21:55,995 Like when winning the Cup hinged on one crucial moment ... 1137 01:21:56,114 --> 01:21:58,674 when Pinto saved a penalty against Mallorca. 1138 01:22:07,553 --> 01:22:08,673 We were losing 1-0, 1139 01:22:08,794 --> 01:22:14,354 and at the start of the second half we conceded a penalty, 1140 01:22:14,473 --> 01:22:17,113 and Martín Cáceres was sent off. 1141 01:22:17,233 --> 01:22:24,233 So I thought I'd try and unsettle the penalty taker. 1142 01:22:24,793 --> 01:22:27,233 I said, "Where are you going to put the penalty ?" 1143 01:22:27,353 --> 01:22:31,673 He didn't answer, so I said, "I'm going to dive that way." 1144 01:22:31,793 --> 01:22:35,873 And I got lucky, I went the right way and made the save. 1145 01:22:36,434 --> 01:22:40,514 It gave us a massive boost. 1146 01:22:40,632 --> 01:22:42,672 And then Leo came on. 1147 01:22:42,793 --> 01:22:45,793 He got fouled, their defender was sent off, 1148 01:22:45,912 --> 01:22:47,512 and he scored a wonder-goal. 1149 01:22:49,833 --> 01:22:53,193 In La Liga, if we lost at the Bernabéu, they'd have cut the gap at the top. 1150 01:22:53,312 --> 01:22:56,112 But we won 6-2, which won us the league. 1151 01:22:56,232 --> 01:22:57,672 That was the key game. 1152 01:22:57,793 --> 01:23:00,273 They were four points behind us, 1153 01:23:00,392 --> 01:23:04,320 and if they beat us, it was really tough to win the league. 1154 01:23:04,154 --> 01:23:07,194 But we played one of the best games I've ever seen. 1155 01:23:16,351 --> 01:23:17,631 I really enjoyed it. It was one of the best games ever. 1156 01:23:17,752 --> 01:23:20,352 When I die, I'll probably be thinking about that night. 1157 01:23:21,793 --> 01:23:23,833 Puyol kissing the captain's armband Messi scoring goals, 1158 01:23:23,952 --> 01:23:27,312 and Henry and Piqué. Oh, fantastic ! 1159 01:23:28,312 --> 01:23:32,472 I obviously had to behave appropriately but what a feeling ! 1160 01:23:46,991 --> 01:23:52,871 It's weird because it's eight years ago. 1161 01:23:52,992 --> 01:23:57,192 I always watch it on television. I've watched that goal a hundred times. 1162 01:23:57,310 --> 01:24:02,910 So I always remember this image. I cannot remember what I felt. 1163 01:24:03,310 --> 01:24:06,751 Obviously, it was like an unbelievable feeling ... 1164 01:24:06,871 --> 01:24:09,111 because it was a tremendous game. 1165 01:24:11,351 --> 01:24:14,511 But the 6-2 was extra special because of our tactics. 1166 01:24:16,231 --> 01:24:18,951 That's when that fake nine whole thing started. 1167 01:24:22,832 --> 01:24:24,232 Pep called me the day before the game, 1168 01:24:24,351 --> 01:24:26,951 and told me to come down to the training ground. 1169 01:24:28,272 --> 01:24:30,232 He was keen to discuss a new position. 1170 01:24:30,349 --> 01:24:33,269 He'd been watching videos of games with Tito. 1171 01:24:33,391 --> 01:24:35,951 He said he wanted to try something different. 1172 01:24:36,710 --> 01:24:38,991 The red glasses are Barça, the others are Real Madrid. 1173 01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:40,630 Pep changed our system, 1174 01:24:40,751 --> 01:24:44,191 and told Henry to play between the right-back and center-back, 1175 01:24:44,311 --> 01:24:46,791 with Eto'o between the center-back and left-back. 1176 01:24:46,911 --> 01:24:50,671 Guardiola had analyzed the Madrid center-backs, 1177 01:24:50,791 --> 01:24:55,471 and noticed they never came out to press the number nine. 1178 01:24:57,589 --> 01:25:00,629 Thanks to the false nine, we outnumbered them in midfield ... 1179 01:25:00,749 --> 01:25:02,549 when Messi dropped back. 1180 01:25:02,670 --> 01:25:05,910 We always had an extra man. 1181 01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:10,670 Pep said we'd outnumber them throughout the entire game. 1182 01:25:10,749 --> 01:25:11,829 He was right. 1183 01:25:11,950 --> 01:25:13,590 We'd never played that way, 1184 01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:19,429 so Madrid hadn't studied the possibility of us playing like that. 1185 01:25:19,710 --> 01:25:22,190 The center-backs didn't know whether to mark me or not, 1186 01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:26,750 which meant I had lots of space when I dropped back. 1187 01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:29,670 And as soon as the defenders came out to close me down, 1188 01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:32,390 Eto'o and Henry made runs in behind. 1189 01:25:32,509 --> 01:25:34,909 That's what happened for Henry's first goal. 1190 01:25:35,290 --> 01:25:37,989 It was a great performance. 1191 01:25:38,109 --> 01:25:40,949 And it worked out because on that goal that Leo gave me ... 1192 01:25:41,690 --> 01:25:42,509 that's exactly what happened. 1193 01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:46,309 He was in a position where they didn't know if they have to come and get him, 1194 01:25:46,428 --> 01:25:49,868 but I'm running in behind, Sam was running on the other side, 1195 01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:51,390 and it worked out. 1196 01:25:55,269 --> 01:25:59,629 It wasn't so robotic because we also improvised. 1197 01:25:59,749 --> 01:26:01,829 Robots would be like, 1198 01:26:01,949 --> 01:26:05,549 "I. Go. Here. Now. I. Go. There." 1199 01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:08,469 No. There was always room to be creative. 1200 01:26:08,589 --> 01:26:15,469 But 60% of our match strategy was set in stone before kick-off. 1201 01:26:16,588 --> 01:26:19,468 The other 40% was down to our improvisations. 1202 01:26:25,469 --> 01:26:26,909 In the Champions League, 1203 01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:31,507 if it hadn't been for Iniesta's goal, we were out. 1204 01:26:31,628 --> 01:26:33,308 A 92nd-minute goal. 1205 01:26:44,947 --> 01:26:49,547 I was sat with the captain Carles Puyol, who was suspended. 1206 01:26:49,667 --> 01:26:51,670 Bam, Chelsea go 1-0 up. 1207 01:26:52,107 --> 01:26:53,347 And Puyol said to me, 1208 01:26:53,468 --> 01:26:58,108 "Don't worry, it's fine. We'll score at the end." 1209 01:26:58,228 --> 01:27:04,428 There I was watching it and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh ! We are gonna lose here." 1210 01:27:06,188 --> 01:27:07,988 The minutes kept ticking away, and I didn't have the nerve to say, 1211 01:27:08,108 --> 01:27:11,788 "Look skipper, you were wrong ! This ain't gonna happen !" 1212 01:27:13,987 --> 01:27:16,627 I knew that if we could just hold on, 1213 01:27:16,747 --> 01:27:22,387 because we were under the cosh, we'd definitely create one last chance. 1214 01:27:22,506 --> 01:27:25,866 And then little Andrés arrived to save the day. 1215 01:27:50,745 --> 01:27:55,345 Every time I watch that goal, it sparks so many emotions 1216 01:27:55,466 --> 01:27:59,546 because it was such a significant moment for my club. 1217 01:28:00,346 --> 01:28:02,746 I'll never get tired of watching it. 1218 01:28:04,227 --> 01:28:05,947 It's because of moments like this that we love football. 1219 01:28:08,865 --> 01:28:12,185 The only thing that beats it is sex. 1220 01:28:13,545 --> 01:28:14,865 That was the most important goal in this whole story. 1221 01:28:14,986 --> 01:28:17,306 If we hadn't reached that final in Rome, 1222 01:28:18,250 --> 01:28:20,865 we probably wouldn't still be talking about Pep's Barça. 1223 01:28:29,866 --> 01:28:31,226 I don't know how I played. 1224 01:28:35,585 --> 01:28:37,825 Iniesta ... I don't know how he played. 1225 01:28:38,305 --> 01:28:41,225 We were on a mission. We didn't want to let that one go. 1226 01:28:43,425 --> 01:28:45,505 We had a chance to win the treble. 1227 01:28:45,625 --> 01:28:49,665 We'd just gone through the drama of Stamford Bridge. 1228 01:28:51,650 --> 01:28:54,625 When we won the Champions League against Arsenal in Paris, 1229 01:28:54,744 --> 01:28:56,464 I wasn't picked to start. 1230 01:28:56,584 --> 01:28:59,424 So I had to play this time. 1231 01:28:59,544 --> 01:29:04,344 No matter the risk or possible consequences. 1232 01:29:05,625 --> 01:29:07,145 I advised him not to shoot powerfully from distance ... 1233 01:29:07,264 --> 01:29:13,504 because there was a big risk he'd tear his muscle again. 1234 01:29:13,624 --> 01:29:15,104 Yaya played center back. 1235 01:29:15,225 --> 01:29:18,105 Sylvinho wasn't even playing that season, he played. 1236 01:29:18,225 --> 01:29:19,625 Puyol played right back. 1237 01:29:19,743 --> 01:29:22,183 Some people were like, "Hmm, people are missing. 1238 01:29:22,303 --> 01:29:24,623 Two guys are starting injured." 1239 01:29:26,145 --> 01:29:27,905 We knew we'd win the game, because Pep told us we'd win. 1240 01:29:28,250 --> 01:29:29,665 Pep's a genius. 1241 01:29:29,783 --> 01:29:34,543 He'd tell us exactly what we needed to do in order to win. 1242 01:29:34,664 --> 01:29:36,640 I hope he will never change ... 1243 01:29:36,185 --> 01:29:40,945 because he is, for me, the future of the game. 1244 01:29:42,343 --> 01:29:43,743 Some matches looked impossible to win, 1245 01:29:43,864 --> 01:29:47,784 but after 20 minutes, we'd have them wrapped up, 1246 01:29:48,384 --> 01:29:51,984 like the game against Manchester United in Rome. 1247 01:29:52,423 --> 01:29:55,623 What manager would show you a video 1248 01:29:57,103 --> 01:29:58,663 five minutes before a Champions League final ? 1249 01:29:58,744 --> 01:29:59,824 Only him. 1250 01:29:59,943 --> 01:30:03,903 We don't know what was happening. We go inside. There's a screen. 1251 01:30:04,743 --> 01:30:07,863 The boss asks us to stand in front of the screen, 1252 01:30:07,982 --> 01:30:10,102 and we are basically waiting. 1253 01:30:11,704 --> 01:30:13,904 Pep and Tito had made a spectacular video ... 1254 01:30:14,230 --> 01:30:15,823 featuring every single one of us. 1255 01:30:15,942 --> 01:30:19,220 With the music of Gladiator, I think it was. 1256 01:30:19,144 --> 01:30:22,864 We see the whole journey to the final. 1257 01:30:24,103 --> 01:30:27,823 Sad moments, good moments, struggles. 1258 01:30:30,862 --> 01:30:34,782 After Iniesta's goal at Stamford Bridge I got a text message from Pep ... 1259 01:30:34,903 --> 01:30:38,143 "I need your help to win the Champions League." 1260 01:30:38,262 --> 01:30:43,342 The first feedback I received was on the night before the game. 1261 01:30:43,462 --> 01:30:47,862 Pep gathered his technical staff and showed them the video. 1262 01:30:49,304 --> 01:30:50,424 As soon as I saw it, 1263 01:30:50,542 --> 01:30:53,742 I honestly knew we'd win the Champions League final. 1264 01:30:54,141 --> 01:30:59,461 It was so powerful. It was ... It was so powerful 1265 01:30:59,582 --> 01:31:03,622 that I would say, also, it was too powerful. 1266 01:31:05,183 --> 01:31:08,703 As a motivational tool, the video was a total disaster. 1267 01:31:08,821 --> 01:31:11,421 In the opening ten minutes, if it wasn't for Víctor ... 1268 01:31:16,502 --> 01:31:17,662 they'd have scored twice ! 1269 01:31:19,421 --> 01:31:21,181 The boss was very sentimental. 1270 01:31:21,541 --> 01:31:24,741 I went to the dressing room and was told I couldn't go in. 1271 01:31:24,823 --> 01:31:25,903 "What ?" 1272 01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:28,262 They said the boss was preparing something. 1273 01:31:28,381 --> 01:31:31,610 When we finally got in, we had no time to prepare 1274 01:31:31,181 --> 01:31:32,381 and it was sweltering hot. 1275 01:31:32,502 --> 01:31:37,342 Then he showed us a video that had all of us in tears. 1276 01:31:38,421 --> 01:31:41,221 We went onto the pitch and Andrea Bocelli was singing, 1277 01:31:41,341 --> 01:31:43,141 which almost set us off again. 1278 01:31:43,262 --> 01:31:47,102 Manchester United must have wondered what was wrong with us. 1279 01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:50,300 We were in pieces. 1280 01:31:50,422 --> 01:31:53,702 After the video, he said, "Guys, at the end of the game, 1281 01:31:53,821 --> 01:31:56,581 "I want people to say that we can play football. 1282 01:31:57,700 --> 01:31:58,940 "Have a good game." 1283 01:32:18,901 --> 01:32:22,141 We went into the game believing we had a great chance of winning. 1284 01:32:22,260 --> 01:32:26,220 The first, might've been ten, 15 minutes, we started really well. 1285 01:32:26,341 --> 01:32:29,701 Probably out of nowhere, I've headed one down in midfield, 1286 01:32:29,820 --> 01:32:32,900 Iniesta's picked it up, made a run, and all of a sudden, 1287 01:32:33,190 --> 01:32:34,939 boom, Eto'o and you're one down. 1288 01:32:36,301 --> 01:32:38,541 Maybe from that moment on they just ... 1289 01:32:39,420 --> 01:32:42,140 That was what they needed. Take a deep breath, 1290 01:32:42,260 --> 01:32:44,180 just get the ball and start passing it, 1291 01:32:44,300 --> 01:32:46,580 and gradually, sucking the life out of us. 1292 01:32:46,701 --> 01:32:51,141 You know when you play against someone and you look in their eyes, 1293 01:32:51,260 --> 01:32:52,980 and it's over. 1294 01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:55,590 I think it was Wayne Rooney. 1295 01:32:55,180 --> 01:32:57,940 He was trying to get the ball and we were keeping the ball, 1296 01:32:58,590 --> 01:33:02,259 and you could see the look. He was defeated. 1297 01:33:02,380 --> 01:33:07,500 The quality they had, on the night, was too good for us. 1298 01:33:08,179 --> 01:33:10,699 That was the one, for us, that hurt the most. 1299 01:33:10,819 --> 01:33:13,459 It took me quite some time to get over that. 1300 01:33:15,180 --> 01:33:17,740 We knew it would be historic to win the treble in our first year 1301 01:33:17,859 --> 01:33:21,190 playing our brand of football, with the players we had. 1302 01:33:21,139 --> 01:33:25,139 And after Leo made it 2-0, we knew the trophy was ours. 1303 01:33:26,658 --> 01:33:28,698 It was exactly how I'd visualized it. 1304 01:33:29,340 --> 01:33:33,200 The ball looped over the goalkeeper and in. 1305 01:33:33,139 --> 01:33:35,579 It was an unforgettable moment. 1306 01:33:55,259 --> 01:33:58,819 It was a statement of greatness to begin your reign with a treble. 1307 01:33:58,938 --> 01:34:02,658 But the football reached its high point at Wembley in 2011, 1308 01:34:02,778 --> 01:34:06,458 before which, Johan Cruyff said that Guardiola should probably ... 1309 01:34:06,578 --> 01:34:08,298 walk away from the job ... 1310 01:34:08,418 --> 01:34:12,418 after three hugely intense years and ten trophies lifted. 1311 01:34:12,539 --> 01:34:14,539 Everything had come at a cost. 1312 01:34:14,657 --> 01:34:17,177 A significant part of that cost 1313 01:34:17,297 --> 01:34:20,697 was that Pep was now getting on far less well with his employers, 1314 01:34:20,818 --> 01:34:24,180 given that Joan Laporta had ended his presidential reign, 1315 01:34:24,137 --> 01:34:28,217 and the new guy, Sandro Rosell, had taken over. 1316 01:34:28,338 --> 01:34:33,180 In his final year, Guardiola was frustrated and tired. 1317 01:34:33,138 --> 01:34:36,338 Given the burnout that we saw in him in year four, 1318 01:34:36,458 --> 01:34:39,698 I'll bet you that Guardiola thinks that Cruyff had it exactly right. 1319 01:34:40,978 --> 01:34:42,258 Pep had become very uptight. 1320 01:34:42,377 --> 01:34:45,497 He stressed about things that hadn't bothered him before. 1321 01:34:45,618 --> 01:34:50,538 We played a pre-season game at the Dallas Cowboys stadium, 1322 01:34:52,570 --> 01:34:55,697 and I overheard Guardiola talking to Puyol and Piqué. 1323 01:34:56,137 --> 01:34:59,970 It was an unimportant pre-season friendly ... 1324 01:34:59,217 --> 01:35:04,170 but Guardiola raised his voice to them. 1325 01:35:05,176 --> 01:35:09,736 When I saw that, I said to Andrés Iniesta, 1326 01:35:09,857 --> 01:35:11,897 "He's leaving. This is his last year." 1327 01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:16,417 Even geniuses make mistakes and Pep definitely got that wrong ... 1328 01:35:16,537 --> 01:35:20,377 because it felt like we didn't matter to him anymore. 1329 01:35:21,857 --> 01:35:26,657 We didn't know what was going on with Pep, 1330 01:35:26,777 --> 01:35:31,170 which caused some uncertainty within the group. 1331 01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:36,176 Pep usually renewed his contract in February or March, 1332 01:35:36,295 --> 01:35:39,135 but February passed with no news. 1333 01:35:39,257 --> 01:35:43,570 Then March passed and we still didn't know anything. 1334 01:35:44,656 --> 01:35:46,936 I really struggled to understand what was happening. 1335 01:35:49,337 --> 01:35:53,977 And we had a few bust-ups about it. 1336 01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:58,150 That year, if Pep had told me to jump from the Camp Nou stands, 1337 01:35:58,136 --> 01:36:02,376 I'd have sprinted down the steps. I wouldn't have jumped ! 1338 01:36:03,855 --> 01:36:06,135 When you work with the same coaching staff for so long, 1339 01:36:06,255 --> 01:36:09,150 relationships change. 1340 01:36:09,134 --> 01:36:13,694 It's very difficult to maintain the dynamic and to keep on winning. 1341 01:36:13,815 --> 01:36:17,455 We won the Copa del Rey Final in his last game, 1342 01:36:17,575 --> 01:36:21,615 and it was the perfect end to his time with us. 1343 01:36:29,454 --> 01:36:33,414 That day everyone got to see the team he had built again. 1344 01:36:34,374 --> 01:36:37,214 After 30 minutes, we were leading 3-0 ... 1345 01:36:37,333 --> 01:36:43,773 against the best Athletic Bilbao side in years. 1346 01:36:44,334 --> 01:36:47,814 Signing off by winning the Copa del Rey in that style ... 1347 01:36:47,935 --> 01:36:51,655 on his last night in charge should have been the perfect send-off, 1348 01:36:51,774 --> 01:36:55,974 but he walked away with a distinctly bittersweet feeling. 1349 01:36:57,174 --> 01:37:01,494 Mostly because he felt ill-treated and under-appreciated. 1350 01:37:09,894 --> 01:37:15,540 My lasting memory of that cup final is a sense of sadness. 1351 01:37:15,173 --> 01:37:20,933 It was the end of something wonderful, so it's normal to feel sad. 1352 01:37:21,494 --> 01:37:24,214 But there was something else that troubled me. 1353 01:37:24,334 --> 01:37:30,294 The attempts to demolish and destroy everything we'd achieved. 1354 01:37:30,412 --> 01:37:34,920 I don't understand the motivation. Things had gone well and we'd won ! 1355 01:37:34,214 --> 01:37:37,534 Surely that's what you hold onto, that's what you remember. 1356 01:37:37,653 --> 01:37:41,813 But no, they didn't care about what we'd achieved. 1357 01:37:41,933 --> 01:37:46,373 All they did was focus on the negatives. 1358 01:37:47,940 --> 01:37:49,214 I think the club's got a problem. 1359 01:37:51,853 --> 01:37:53,293 Barça is a bit strange in that respect. 1360 01:37:53,412 --> 01:37:56,292 I've learned the most important thing in life is to be grateful ... 1361 01:37:56,414 --> 01:38:00,334 to the people who make a difference in your life. 1362 01:38:00,452 --> 01:38:04,452 After everything he'd done for the club, 1363 01:38:04,573 --> 01:38:07,853 Guardiola didn't get the recognition he deserved. 1364 01:38:14,693 --> 01:38:16,333 Announcing his departure at a press conference, 1365 01:38:16,451 --> 01:38:19,851 and then immediately revealing who would replace him ... 1366 01:38:19,973 --> 01:38:25,213 in front of the whole squad and the board members ... 1367 01:38:25,972 --> 01:38:29,492 I don't think it was the right way to say goodbye to the boss. 1368 01:38:31,813 --> 01:38:33,933 On the advice of the director of football, Andoni Zubizarreta, 1369 01:38:34,772 --> 01:38:37,132 and after consulting the board, 1370 01:38:37,253 --> 01:38:40,653 I can announce that the next Barça coach will be Tito Vilanova. 1371 01:38:43,851 --> 01:38:45,931 I think they should build a statue of Pep at the Camp Nou. 1372 01:38:47,530 --> 01:38:49,733 In the president's box. 1373 01:38:49,853 --> 01:38:51,453 That's what I think anyway. 1374 01:38:53,132 --> 01:38:55,172 The best way to remember Guardiola's Barça 1375 01:38:55,292 --> 01:38:58,920 is to put on a DVD and watch the matches we played 1376 01:38:58,212 --> 01:39:02,132 during his four seasons here as manager. 1377 01:39:11,930 --> 01:39:13,900 He invented a new way of playing. 1378 01:39:13,172 --> 01:39:15,372 He had a special group of players, 1379 01:39:15,492 --> 01:39:17,732 but he knew exactly what to do with them. 1380 01:39:18,371 --> 01:39:20,651 He followed the philosophy of his maestro, 1381 01:39:20,771 --> 01:39:22,771 the man who taught us all, Johan Cruyff. 1382 01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:49,100 It's a bit like the best cars. 1383 01:39:49,130 --> 01:39:52,500 Cruyff was the first great model, the Mark 1 1384 01:39:52,170 --> 01:39:53,730 and Pep is the Mark 2. 1385 01:39:56,330 --> 01:40:02,170 But I think Xavi will be in the same league 1386 01:40:02,290 --> 01:40:04,250 when he returns as coach. 1387 01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:09,970 When he comes back, he'll be the Mark 3. 1388 01:40:11,411 --> 01:40:15,691 In my father's mind, he was always el listo de la clase, 1389 01:40:15,809 --> 01:40:19,890 the intelligent one of the class, the clever guy. 1390 01:40:19,210 --> 01:40:21,490 The only problem will be that when already now ... 1391 01:40:21,611 --> 01:40:25,510 everybody is pumping this up, then the pressure's too high. 1392 01:40:25,409 --> 01:40:27,769 But if he follows his way, little by little, 1393 01:40:27,889 --> 01:40:30,249 calm, like Pep did, then you're ready for it. 1394 01:40:30,370 --> 01:40:33,290 And I hope Xavi one day will do that. 1395 01:40:34,650 --> 01:40:35,970 Barça's future needs to be in the hands ... 1396 01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:42,169 of someone with Xavi's talent and vision. 1397 01:40:45,209 --> 01:40:49,929 I've got no doubt that he'll be back as a coach one day. 1398 01:40:50,490 --> 01:40:54,329 He deserves the chance ... 1399 01:40:54,450 --> 01:40:56,570 because of the type of player he was here. 1400 01:40:56,690 --> 01:40:58,850 He'll make an amazing manager. 1401 01:40:58,968 --> 01:41:02,368 As a player he saw the whole picture from the pitch. 1402 01:41:02,489 --> 01:41:05,129 I'm sure from the side-lines, he'll see it even clearer. 1403 01:41:05,249 --> 01:41:06,769 He'll be back one day. 1404 01:41:06,890 --> 01:41:12,330 I don't know when but he wants to come back. 1405 01:41:12,449 --> 01:41:17,449 And he has the same football philosophy as Pep. 1406 01:41:19,649 --> 01:41:21,209 The world is watching us because they see we're different. 1407 01:41:21,328 --> 01:41:23,928 And they're right, we are. 1408 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:26,728 But now we have a huge responsibility 1409 01:41:26,847 --> 01:41:29,927 to ensure that all of this continues to grow. 1410 01:41:33,890 --> 01:41:36,449 The one thing that has never changed 1411 01:41:36,567 --> 01:41:41,327 in all my years here is the way we play football. 1412 01:41:41,968 --> 01:41:47,328 Players come and go, but the philosophy never changes. 1413 01:41:49,168 --> 01:41:50,648 We believe in this philosophy, 1414 01:41:50,768 --> 01:41:55,688 which is improved every year and by each Barça manager. 1415 01:41:55,808 --> 01:41:57,728 But the day things start to go wrong, 1416 01:41:57,848 --> 01:42:01,880 and let's hope that isn't for another 200 years, 1417 01:42:01,208 --> 01:42:04,480 but if it happens, we must never consider ... 1418 01:42:04,167 --> 01:42:06,887 changing our playing style. 1419 01:42:07,700 --> 01:42:10,367 Our unique philosophy should never change. Never. 1420 01:42:46,128 --> 01:42:47,328 This documentary can't end ... 1421 01:42:47,406 --> 01:42:51,126 without asking you about your memories of those four years. 1422 01:42:53,286 --> 01:42:57,606 When I think about that time it fills me with nostalgia and happiness. 1423 01:42:58,607 --> 01:43:03,870 In my opinion, during those four years, 1424 01:43:03,206 --> 01:43:08,486 all the stars aligned at the perfect moment. 1425 01:43:09,870 --> 01:43:14,847 The fundamental reason for the success was the immense talent of those players. 1426 01:43:16,285 --> 01:43:17,925 It's them who have to perform. 1427 01:43:18,450 --> 01:43:22,245 I like to use golf as an example, because as managers we're caddies. 1428 01:43:22,366 --> 01:43:26,286 We hand the club to the player, but they get the ball on the green, 1429 01:43:26,405 --> 01:43:27,725 and put it in the hole. 1430 01:43:41,804 --> 01:43:44,444 Everyone played their part and everyone knew their role. 1431 01:43:44,566 --> 01:43:48,460 They all knew Messi was the best and no one wanted to take his crown. 1432 01:43:48,165 --> 01:43:51,525 The home-grown players had very important roles. 1433 01:43:51,644 --> 01:43:53,884 The foreign players played their part too. 1434 01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:57,684 It all unfolded naturally without having to tell players, 1435 01:43:58,445 --> 01:44:04,165 "You have to do this or you have to do that." 1436 01:44:04,726 --> 01:44:07,926 The roles within the group were shared out, 1437 01:44:08,450 --> 01:44:10,485 and if anyone didn't like it, they left. 1438 01:44:11,724 --> 01:44:17,604 That was how we built something special and kept it going for so long. 1439 01:44:29,364 --> 01:44:30,404 I think we provoked an emotional reaction. 1440 01:44:30,525 --> 01:44:35,850 When you remember titles, really they're just numbers 1441 01:44:35,206 --> 01:44:36,526 and nothing more. 1442 01:44:36,644 --> 01:44:41,524 But there were a lot of people who really loved watching us play. 1443 01:44:58,284 --> 01:44:59,764 We all remember the two Champions League finals, 1444 01:44:59,883 --> 01:45:01,203 especially the second one. 1445 01:45:01,724 --> 01:45:04,764 For around 20-25 minutes, 1446 01:45:04,883 --> 01:45:09,403 from the 46th minute until our third, we were tremendous. 1447 01:45:09,524 --> 01:45:13,484 That was a perfect illustration of how we wanted them to play. 1448 01:45:13,604 --> 01:45:17,404 We were a young group of coaches ... 1449 01:45:18,163 --> 01:45:20,843 trying to convince a team of unique players ... 1450 01:45:22,430 --> 01:45:26,283 to do something different and it worked well for four years. 1451 01:45:33,724 --> 01:45:36,164 People become managers for all kinds of different reasons. 1452 01:45:36,284 --> 01:45:38,524 My motivation is tactics. 1453 01:45:38,642 --> 01:45:40,562 That's why I became a coach, 1454 01:45:40,922 --> 01:45:43,922 to dissect the game and find solutions. 1455 01:45:44,803 --> 01:45:45,963 The basic concept, 1456 01:45:46,820 --> 01:45:53,820 which Johan Cruyff injected into our veins ... 1457 01:45:53,642 --> 01:45:56,202 many years ago, 1458 01:45:56,322 --> 01:46:00,282 was that doing the simple things well gave you a 75% chance of winning. 1459 01:46:00,402 --> 01:46:03,162 And one of the simplest things is passing the ball. 1460 01:46:03,282 --> 01:46:05,482 After that, things get more complicated. 1461 01:46:05,602 --> 01:46:07,962 But the pass is what unites the group. 1462 01:46:08,761 --> 01:46:13,281 The ball is moved around the pitch from one player to another. 1463 01:46:13,402 --> 01:46:18,200 Everyone participates in the game plan by making that pass. 1464 01:46:18,481 --> 01:46:22,241 That's what we worked on from day one. 1465 01:46:35,761 --> 01:46:38,881 I'm often asked if it was the greatest team ever ... 1466 01:46:39,100 --> 01:46:40,721 or one of the greatest. 1467 01:46:40,842 --> 01:46:45,442 And it's a question that doesn't have an answer. 1468 01:46:45,561 --> 01:46:49,921 It's like a new book that's published, is it good or not ? 1469 01:46:50,420 --> 01:46:53,402 Or a new film that premieres, is it any good ? 1470 01:46:53,521 --> 01:46:55,361 We'll know the answer in 25 years. 1471 01:46:55,482 --> 01:46:58,122 It depends if people are still talking about us. 1472 01:46:58,242 --> 01:47:01,802 If after 25 years we're still taking about a book, it's good. 1473 01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,680 If we're still watching a film in 25 years time, it must be good. 1474 01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:06,480 The same will happen with our team. 1475 01:47:06,601 --> 01:47:12,121 But were we better than Sacchi's Milan or Pelé's Brazil, or Johan's Ajax ? 1476 01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:17,400 Everyone will have their opinion, 1477 01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:21,160 which they'll defend passionately. 1478 01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:23,720 I would tell you that my team was brilliant, 1479 01:47:23,841 --> 01:47:26,801 but Johan would argue that his team was better. 1480 01:47:26,921 --> 01:47:30,361 And Arrigo Sacchi would say the same about his Milan side. 1481 01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:31,799 And we'd all be in the right. 1482 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,360 But if they remember us in 25 years time, 1483 01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:36,600 they won't talk about the titles we won, 1484 01:47:36,721 --> 01:47:38,201 they'll talk about how we played. 1485 01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,880 If they remember us, it's because they enjoyed watching us. 1486 01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:46,480 But that's the big mystery. 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