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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,214 --> 00:00:07,955 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:08,016 --> 00:00:11,930 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:11,986 --> 00:00:13,795 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:13,855 --> 00:00:16,597 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:16,657 --> 00:00:18,227 These are their stories. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,870 Can't you hook up with a guy who lives in an elevator building? 7 00:00:21,929 --> 00:00:23,169 Quit bitchin', we're here. 8 00:00:23,231 --> 00:00:25,837 Thank God, these heels are killing me. 9 00:00:27,468 --> 00:00:30,176 Jimmy, you in there? 10 00:00:31,973 --> 00:00:33,247 Jimmy! 11 00:00:34,542 --> 00:00:36,453 He's with that Connie Ditchko, I'm gonna kill him. 12 00:00:36,511 --> 00:00:37,956 That Ukrainian girl? 13 00:00:38,012 --> 00:00:39,992 Oh, relax, he'll call you tomorrow. Come on. 14 00:00:40,048 --> 00:00:41,152 Wait. 15 00:00:42,784 --> 00:00:45,424 What, Jimmy gave you the keys to his crib? 16 00:00:45,486 --> 00:00:46,863 You only been with him a month. 17 00:00:46,921 --> 00:00:48,832 He didn't give it to me. I took it. 18 00:00:48,890 --> 00:00:50,733 Oh, you go, girl. (SNICKERS) 19 00:00:52,393 --> 00:00:53,394 Jimmy! 20 00:00:54,796 --> 00:00:55,797 Jimmy! 21 00:00:57,165 --> 00:00:59,042 (GASPS) Oh, my God. 22 00:00:59,534 --> 00:01:00,945 (CRYING) Jimmy! 23 00:01:01,002 --> 00:01:02,345 Oh. my God! 24 00:01:04,305 --> 00:01:07,684 And the dead guy is James Foley, 36. 25 00:01:07,742 --> 00:01:10,245 Girlfriend was supposed to meet him at some club, 26 00:01:10,311 --> 00:01:12,723 he didn't show, she came looking for him. 27 00:01:13,214 --> 00:01:15,524 I guess it was the maid's week off. 28 00:01:15,650 --> 00:01:17,493 ED: Hmm. I'm no M.E., but it looks like this guy 29 00:01:17,552 --> 00:01:19,589 got his head bashed in. 30 00:01:19,654 --> 00:01:23,363 Maybe they were fighting over which TV show to watch. 31 00:01:23,458 --> 00:01:25,131 It's a lot of blood. 32 00:01:25,226 --> 00:01:27,206 Head wounds. Bleed like crazy. 33 00:01:27,261 --> 00:01:28,331 Tell me about it. 34 00:01:28,396 --> 00:01:30,342 When I was a kid, I fell off my bike, 35 00:01:30,665 --> 00:01:32,303 split my scalp wide open. 36 00:01:32,366 --> 00:01:34,505 My mother thought I was gonna die. 37 00:01:34,569 --> 00:01:35,809 How many stitches? 38 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:37,144 Twenty-six. 39 00:01:37,205 --> 00:01:39,879 Beats me. Most I ever got was eight. 40 00:01:39,941 --> 00:01:42,979 Bobby Delillo split my lip open playing stickball. 41 00:01:43,044 --> 00:01:44,318 (CHUCKLES) Stickball? 42 00:01:44,378 --> 00:01:47,882 Hey, Willie Mays was a three sewer stickball player. 43 00:01:50,818 --> 00:01:52,695 Guess he was in the middle of shaving. 44 00:01:52,753 --> 00:01:54,755 Mmm. Looks like he missed a spot. 45 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:47,248 Blunt force trauma, skull fracture. 46 00:02:47,308 --> 00:02:48,844 Cause of death, epidural bleeding. 47 00:02:48,910 --> 00:02:50,514 That never happened playing stickball. 48 00:02:50,578 --> 00:02:52,990 CSU found blood splatters on the television set, 49 00:02:53,047 --> 00:02:54,856 mixed with hair fibers and skull particulate. 50 00:02:54,916 --> 00:02:56,827 Any chance this was an accident? 51 00:02:56,884 --> 00:02:59,626 I did blood alcohol and ran a tox screen. 52 00:02:59,687 --> 00:03:00,995 He'd had a couple of drinks. 53 00:03:01,055 --> 00:03:02,966 But was he inebriated enough to stagger around 54 00:03:03,024 --> 00:03:05,470 and pull the TV down on top of himself? I don't think so. 55 00:03:05,526 --> 00:03:07,028 So it was a homicide. 56 00:03:07,094 --> 00:03:08,903 I found fresh bruises on his torso, 57 00:03:08,963 --> 00:03:10,840 consistent with punches or blows. 58 00:03:10,898 --> 00:03:12,844 So what, they waltz around, 59 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:15,380 the perp picks up the TV set and bashes his skull in? 60 00:03:15,436 --> 00:03:18,042 Or they tussle, the perp shoves him, he falls down. 61 00:03:18,105 --> 00:03:20,449 Irresistible force meets immovable object. 62 00:03:20,508 --> 00:03:23,614 I also found some blue synthetic fibers on Foley's pants, 63 00:03:23,711 --> 00:03:26,351 which matched fibers CSU pulled from the window sill. 64 00:03:26,414 --> 00:03:27,757 That's a long shot. 65 00:03:27,815 --> 00:03:29,260 Well, lab says these type of fibers 66 00:03:29,317 --> 00:03:31,957 are used to make work clothes, uniforms, jackets. 67 00:03:32,019 --> 00:03:33,259 Maybe the cable guy. 68 00:03:33,321 --> 00:03:35,460 Yeah right. Like they ever show up. 69 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:37,730 What about the girlfriend? 70 00:03:37,792 --> 00:03:40,295 Witnesses put her at the club at the time of the murder. 71 00:03:40,361 --> 00:03:41,897 And these blue fibers? 72 00:03:41,963 --> 00:03:44,136 Maybe Foley was a sucker for a uniform. 73 00:03:44,198 --> 00:03:46,235 There's no sign of a break-in. According to the girlfriend, 74 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:47,643 she had to use her key to get in. 75 00:03:47,702 --> 00:03:50,046 So Foley's shaving, gettin' ready to go out. 76 00:03:50,104 --> 00:03:52,050 He buzzes the guy up, lets him in. 77 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,784 They fight, Foley gets his head smashed in, 78 00:03:54,842 --> 00:03:56,685 the perp either closes the door behind him 79 00:03:56,744 --> 00:03:58,451 or he goes out the window and down the fire escape. 80 00:03:58,512 --> 00:04:01,652 And leaves a few fibers behind. What about prints? 81 00:04:01,782 --> 00:04:04,558 Latent lifted 53 partials. 82 00:04:04,652 --> 00:04:06,928 Popular fella. How about the canvass? 83 00:04:07,488 --> 00:04:09,490 A neighbor heard two men arguing, 84 00:04:09,557 --> 00:04:11,764 and then aloud bang, sometime around 10:45. 85 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:15,504 Yeah. That would've been the TV set, imploding on Foley's skull. 86 00:04:15,596 --> 00:04:20,306 Another neighbor said she saw Foley arguing with a heavyset white guy 87 00:04:20,368 --> 00:04:22,712 in front of his building a few weeks ago. 88 00:04:22,770 --> 00:04:24,408 She know what that was about? 89 00:04:24,472 --> 00:04:26,110 Only that it got pretty heated. 90 00:04:26,173 --> 00:04:27,345 Yeah, unfortunately, 91 00:04:27,408 --> 00:04:30,287 there's no "heavyset white guy" listed in the phone book. 92 00:04:30,344 --> 00:04:32,119 What else do we know about Foley? 93 00:04:32,313 --> 00:04:33,917 Well, he had a record. 94 00:04:33,981 --> 00:04:36,689 Uh, couple of assaults, drug possession. 95 00:04:36,751 --> 00:04:38,856 That explains the visitors. 96 00:04:39,053 --> 00:04:41,932 Last bust was for four grams of coke. 97 00:04:41,989 --> 00:04:43,263 He got probation. 98 00:04:43,324 --> 00:04:44,701 With that record? 99 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:46,602 Maybe his lawyer was Clarence Darrow. 100 00:04:46,661 --> 00:04:48,436 ED: Girlfriend seemed to think he'd cleaned up his act. 101 00:04:48,496 --> 00:04:50,533 Girlfriends are always the last to know. 102 00:04:50,765 --> 00:04:52,904 Them and probation officers. 103 00:04:54,068 --> 00:04:55,513 Well, he's been passing his urine tests. 104 00:04:55,569 --> 00:04:56,980 As far as I know he was clean. 105 00:04:57,038 --> 00:04:58,176 What about this last bust? 106 00:04:58,239 --> 00:05:00,845 Well, the cops raided some dance club he was working at. 107 00:05:00,908 --> 00:05:02,751 They found some coke behind the bar. 108 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:04,016 So how'd he get probation? 109 00:05:04,078 --> 00:05:06,718 What I heard, they screwed up the search. 110 00:05:06,781 --> 00:05:08,226 Our Fourth Amendment at work. 111 00:05:08,282 --> 00:05:09,625 Well, except for this family court thing, 112 00:05:09,684 --> 00:05:11,425 I thought that Foley was doin' pretty good. 113 00:05:11,485 --> 00:05:12,657 ED: What family court thing? 114 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,393 Some custody fight or something. 115 00:05:14,488 --> 00:05:15,660 BRISCOE: He had a kid? 116 00:05:15,723 --> 00:05:17,031 Yeah. With an ex-girlfriend. 117 00:05:17,091 --> 00:05:19,628 Apparently, she's been ridin' his ass about child support. 118 00:05:19,694 --> 00:05:22,072 Only Foley never shows up in court. 119 00:05:22,129 --> 00:05:24,666 Finally, this family court judge calls me, 120 00:05:24,732 --> 00:05:26,769 tells me, if Foley doesn't show up for the next date, 121 00:05:26,834 --> 00:05:28,245 I should violate his probation. 122 00:05:28,302 --> 00:05:30,612 When was this? Few weeks ago. 123 00:05:30,671 --> 00:05:32,844 But I checked. Foley showed. 124 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:42,024 Laura Rodriguez filed a V petition against James Foley 125 00:05:42,083 --> 00:05:44,563 for custody and support on January 8th of '98. 126 00:05:44,618 --> 00:05:46,154 That's over three years ago. 127 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:48,200 Guy ignored the summons. A lot of 'em do. 128 00:05:48,289 --> 00:05:50,929 So what happened when Foley finally did show? 129 00:05:50,991 --> 00:05:53,733 It was one of those real knockdown drag out type of things. 130 00:05:53,794 --> 00:05:54,898 ED: Which ended how? 131 00:05:54,962 --> 00:05:56,168 Mother got full custody 132 00:05:56,297 --> 00:05:58,140 plus an order from the court, for support 133 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:00,076 dating back to when the kid was born. 134 00:06:00,134 --> 00:06:01,772 BRISCOE: Foley make a payment? 135 00:06:01,836 --> 00:06:04,840 Uh, not on that day. 136 00:06:05,005 --> 00:06:07,246 I'd have to check another file to see if he's made one since. 137 00:06:07,308 --> 00:06:09,345 Dead beat dad Don't waste your time. 138 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:11,014 Mother couldn't have been too happy about that. 139 00:06:11,078 --> 00:06:13,058 Well, if you ask me, I think the real fight 140 00:06:13,114 --> 00:06:14,286 was about the fact that mom brought 141 00:06:14,348 --> 00:06:15,884 a new boyfriend with her to court. 142 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:18,255 Who's that? Never got a name. 143 00:06:18,452 --> 00:06:20,762 But he and Foley got into it pretty good in the hallway. 144 00:06:20,821 --> 00:06:23,233 Couple of court officers had to break it up. 145 00:06:23,557 --> 00:06:25,298 Look, I'm sorry Jimmy got himself killed, 146 00:06:25,359 --> 00:06:27,498 but I got nothin' to do with him anymore. 147 00:06:27,561 --> 00:06:29,404 I been tryin' to put all that behind me. 148 00:06:29,497 --> 00:06:32,376 That's hard to do when you got a kid together. 149 00:06:32,433 --> 00:06:34,140 Jimmy wasn't part of Billy's life. 150 00:06:34,201 --> 00:06:35,578 Never has been. 151 00:06:36,237 --> 00:06:37,978 There's another man in the picture. 152 00:06:38,339 --> 00:06:39,841 What's that got to do with anything? 153 00:06:39,907 --> 00:06:42,513 Miss Rodriguez, we know about the fight outside the courtroom. 154 00:06:45,679 --> 00:06:47,625 Go in and play in the other room, okay? 155 00:06:47,681 --> 00:06:49,456 Mommy'll be right in. 156 00:06:55,556 --> 00:06:58,366 Three years, three years and I don't get a cent. 157 00:06:58,559 --> 00:07:00,869 Billy never gets so much as a birthday card from Jimmy. 158 00:07:00,928 --> 00:07:02,601 It finally takes a judge to make him show up. 159 00:07:02,663 --> 00:07:04,939 And then he thinks he's got the right to tell me how to live my life. 160 00:07:04,999 --> 00:07:06,672 He objected to your relationship? 161 00:07:06,734 --> 00:07:09,305 Yeah. I think callin' me a slut would qualify, don't you? 162 00:07:09,370 --> 00:07:11,077 BRISCOE: What's your boyfriend's name? 163 00:07:11,138 --> 00:07:12,139 Terry. 164 00:07:13,607 --> 00:07:14,779 Terry Fullmer. 165 00:07:14,842 --> 00:07:16,549 What was the fight about? 166 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:19,489 I guess Jimmy didn't like the way Terry was lookin' at him or something, 167 00:07:19,547 --> 00:07:21,049 'cause he said something to Terry 168 00:07:21,115 --> 00:07:23,686 and then Terry said something back and Jimmy swung on him. 169 00:07:23,751 --> 00:07:25,128 This Terry? Yeah. 170 00:07:26,654 --> 00:07:28,156 Heavyset white guy. 171 00:07:29,323 --> 00:07:31,963 Terry's been the only man in Billy's life. 172 00:07:32,893 --> 00:07:35,396 He buys him things, babysits. 173 00:07:36,964 --> 00:07:38,307 He's a good person. 174 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:41,436 I met the guy a couple times. 175 00:07:41,502 --> 00:07:43,311 I take it you two didn't get along. 176 00:07:43,637 --> 00:07:45,310 He treated Laura like crap, and Billy. 177 00:07:45,372 --> 00:07:48,182 So, no, he wasn't my favorite person on God's green Earth. 178 00:07:48,242 --> 00:07:50,085 Laura says you've been helping out, huh? 179 00:07:50,144 --> 00:07:53,353 That's what a grown man does. Takes care of his family. 180 00:07:53,414 --> 00:07:55,189 Not like Foley. 181 00:07:55,249 --> 00:07:57,160 Deadbeat wouldn't even fork over a couple bucks 182 00:07:57,218 --> 00:07:59,323 for diapers when money was tight. 183 00:07:59,887 --> 00:08:01,560 That must've really pissed you off, 184 00:08:01,622 --> 00:08:03,659 paying for a kid who wasn't yours. 185 00:08:03,724 --> 00:08:06,102 Wasn't the way I saw it, but what's your point? 186 00:08:06,794 --> 00:08:08,774 A witness ID'd you arguing with Foley 187 00:08:08,829 --> 00:08:11,207 in front of his apartment building a few weeks ago. 188 00:08:11,265 --> 00:08:12,642 We had some words. 189 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:14,577 I was just tryin' to get him to come to court. 190 00:08:14,635 --> 00:08:16,137 You wanna tell us where you were last night? 191 00:08:16,203 --> 00:08:17,307 With Laura at home. 192 00:08:17,371 --> 00:08:18,782 That's not much of an alibi. 193 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:20,477 You think I killed Foley? 194 00:08:20,541 --> 00:08:22,953 Much as I hated the hump, I wouldn't do that to Billy. 195 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:24,717 Guy was still his father. 196 00:08:24,778 --> 00:08:27,952 Look, I was just tryin' to do right by Laura and the kid. 197 00:08:28,282 --> 00:08:30,626 Then, uh, you won't mind if we borrow your shirt. 198 00:08:31,218 --> 00:08:32,288 For what? 199 00:08:32,353 --> 00:08:35,163 Hey, man, if you don't want to cooperate, we'll come back with a warrant. 200 00:08:35,222 --> 00:08:36,929 I got nothin' to hide. 201 00:08:36,991 --> 00:08:39,335 Foley hardly even knew his own kid's name. 202 00:08:39,393 --> 00:08:41,873 Whoever did this to him, he had it coming. 203 00:08:43,764 --> 00:08:46,244 No fiber match on Fullmer's shirt. 204 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:49,213 Even if there were, you'd still have to put him at the scene. 205 00:08:49,270 --> 00:08:51,477 We re-canvassed the building with Fullmer's photo, 206 00:08:51,539 --> 00:08:53,143 to see if anybody saw him the night of the murder. 207 00:08:53,207 --> 00:08:55,346 No luck. Excuse me, Lieutenant. 208 00:08:55,409 --> 00:08:57,082 Prints from Foley's apartment came back. 209 00:08:57,144 --> 00:08:58,589 Thanks, Cordova. 210 00:08:59,380 --> 00:09:01,087 Any matches for Fullmer? 211 00:09:01,148 --> 00:09:02,650 I don't see his name. 212 00:09:02,716 --> 00:09:04,389 But AFIS hit on eight partials, 213 00:09:04,451 --> 00:09:06,328 generated a list of possibles. 214 00:09:06,387 --> 00:09:07,525 Wow. 215 00:09:07,588 --> 00:09:10,296 So much for not consorting with known felons. 216 00:09:10,357 --> 00:09:12,234 Most of these are drug charges. 217 00:09:12,293 --> 00:09:14,603 Another successful probationer. 218 00:09:14,662 --> 00:09:17,268 Here's one guy with a manslaughter rap. 219 00:09:17,731 --> 00:09:20,541 Maybe Foley shorted the wrong customer. 220 00:09:24,204 --> 00:09:25,877 I ain't seen Foley in almost a year. 221 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:29,114 That's funny. The neighbor says she remembers your face pretty good. 222 00:09:29,176 --> 00:09:31,247 Says you used to come up to see him all the time. 223 00:09:31,312 --> 00:09:32,586 Social visits, Mr. Lynch? 224 00:09:32,646 --> 00:09:35,058 Hey, look, just 'cause a guy goes to see another guy, 225 00:09:35,115 --> 00:09:36,890 doesn't mean anything illegal happened. 226 00:09:37,017 --> 00:09:38,690 It does if they're both felons. 227 00:09:38,786 --> 00:09:40,993 Or if one of them got his skull smashed in. 228 00:09:41,055 --> 00:09:42,398 Well, what are you talking about? 229 00:09:42,456 --> 00:09:45,027 Your friend Foley got himself killed. 230 00:09:45,092 --> 00:09:46,537 Now, your prints being there, 231 00:09:46,594 --> 00:09:49,302 plus your previously demonstrated willingness 232 00:09:49,363 --> 00:09:51,138 to take a man's life, 233 00:09:51,198 --> 00:09:53,644 maybe you might wanna help us out on this. 234 00:09:59,306 --> 00:10:00,910 When did this happen? 235 00:10:00,975 --> 00:10:03,615 ED: We're not gonna help you out with an alibi, Mr. Lynch. 236 00:10:03,677 --> 00:10:06,180 Yeah. I work every night. I get on at 6:00, I'm here 'till midnight. 237 00:10:06,246 --> 00:10:07,884 If it happened between then, it couldn't have been me. 238 00:10:07,948 --> 00:10:11,225 But you have seen him more recently than a year ago, haven't you? 239 00:10:11,285 --> 00:10:14,391 BRISCOE: When was the last time you saw him? 240 00:10:14,455 --> 00:10:16,264 Hey, man, don't make us go to your PO. 241 00:10:16,357 --> 00:10:17,700 Maybe three, four months ago. 242 00:10:17,758 --> 00:10:19,203 I heard he was movin' a lot of product 243 00:10:19,259 --> 00:10:20,795 out of that club he worked at. 244 00:10:20,861 --> 00:10:23,034 And you weren't too happy just being a busboy? 245 00:10:23,097 --> 00:10:24,371 Only nothin' happened. 246 00:10:24,431 --> 00:10:26,911 Foley got busted himself a few days before I saw him. 247 00:10:26,967 --> 00:10:29,174 Said it was a lot of coke and he had to lay low for awhile. 248 00:10:29,236 --> 00:10:30,840 We heard it was just a few grams. 249 00:10:30,904 --> 00:10:34,249 I guess some of it got lost on the way to the station house. 250 00:10:34,808 --> 00:10:37,482 Look, all I know is Foley said he wasn't going to jail. 251 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,124 Why do you want to know about Foley? 252 00:10:40,180 --> 00:10:42,660 We were just wondering how he got off with a jaywalking ticket 253 00:10:42,716 --> 00:10:44,787 on a half pound of coke. 254 00:10:44,852 --> 00:10:46,331 Problems with the search. 255 00:10:46,387 --> 00:10:48,458 You had a valid search warrant. We pulled your jacket. 256 00:10:48,522 --> 00:10:50,627 Where do you get off pulling one of my case files? 257 00:10:50,691 --> 00:10:53,831 The case came in A1 weight, it went out C weight. 258 00:10:54,328 --> 00:10:56,308 I don't think I like your implication, Detective. 259 00:10:56,363 --> 00:10:58,138 And I don't think we like being told the same story 260 00:10:58,198 --> 00:10:59,768 you supplied the probation officer. 261 00:11:00,134 --> 00:11:02,114 Why all this interest in a maggot like Foley? 262 00:11:02,169 --> 00:11:05,616 ED: Because this maggot got himself murdered the other day. 263 00:11:07,408 --> 00:11:08,409 I hadn't heard. 264 00:11:08,742 --> 00:11:09,812 So now you want to tell us 265 00:11:09,877 --> 00:11:13,051 how Foley got himself a "get out of jail free" card? 266 00:11:14,948 --> 00:11:16,621 We flipped him. 267 00:11:16,817 --> 00:11:18,797 Foley was a confidential informant. 268 00:11:26,026 --> 00:11:27,130 A Cl? Yeah. 269 00:11:27,194 --> 00:11:29,868 Narcotics said that they'd been sitting on Foley for months, 270 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:32,501 got a tip that he'd been moving some real quantity out of this club. 271 00:11:32,566 --> 00:11:33,738 How much did they find? 272 00:11:33,801 --> 00:11:36,042 A half a pound of uncut cocaine. 273 00:11:36,103 --> 00:11:38,743 So they get their information and Foley gets probation. 274 00:11:38,806 --> 00:11:41,946 And the PO gets some bogus story about a search gone bad. 275 00:11:42,042 --> 00:11:44,579 Yeah. Give me a nice clean homicide any day. 276 00:11:44,645 --> 00:11:47,057 How much information did Foley provide? 277 00:11:47,114 --> 00:11:48,889 Well, according to the cops who handle him, 278 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:50,553 in three months, Foley's dropped a dime 279 00:11:50,617 --> 00:11:52,426 on about half a dozen bad guys. 280 00:11:52,486 --> 00:11:54,625 Do they think anyone found out about it? 281 00:11:54,688 --> 00:11:56,258 BRISCOE: There's one for sure. 282 00:11:57,491 --> 00:11:58,697 "Glenn Edwards." 283 00:11:59,326 --> 00:12:01,670 Foley testified against him at the trial. 284 00:12:01,729 --> 00:12:04,539 He got transferred to Sing Sing a month ago. 285 00:12:04,598 --> 00:12:06,737 Whose turn is it to put in for gas money? 286 00:12:12,539 --> 00:12:14,849 You wasted a trip. I got nothing against Foley. 287 00:12:14,908 --> 00:12:17,946 BRISCOE: That's funny, we heard he sent you here. 288 00:12:18,011 --> 00:12:19,684 Guess he did what he had to do. 289 00:12:19,747 --> 00:12:21,249 That's a pretty enlightened attitude 290 00:12:21,315 --> 00:12:22,589 you got there, Mr. Edwards. 291 00:12:22,649 --> 00:12:24,128 Now if I found out some guy ratted me out... 292 00:12:24,184 --> 00:12:26,755 What comes around, goes around, why sweat it. 293 00:12:26,820 --> 00:12:28,561 Then you knew Foley was dead? 294 00:12:28,622 --> 00:12:31,034 My people thought the news might cheer me up. 295 00:12:31,158 --> 00:12:33,468 Yeah, we were thinking the same thing. 296 00:12:34,394 --> 00:12:35,395 Yeah? 297 00:12:36,330 --> 00:12:37,707 Well, I got a pretty good alibi. 298 00:12:37,765 --> 00:12:40,041 BRISCOE: Well, doesn't mean you couldn't have had one of your people 299 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:41,807 arrange it though, does it? 300 00:12:41,869 --> 00:12:45,248 Just 'cause I fanned a few flames doesn't mean I set the fire. 301 00:12:45,305 --> 00:12:46,784 Meaning what? 302 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,650 Look into a dude Foley capped about 10 years ago. 303 00:12:49,710 --> 00:12:52,088 What? He came back from the dead for revenge? 304 00:12:52,146 --> 00:12:54,922 Foley skated on the murder but it turns out 305 00:12:55,015 --> 00:12:57,757 the guy who's actually convicted for it is right here in this prison. 306 00:12:57,818 --> 00:12:59,798 ED: And you know this how? 307 00:12:59,953 --> 00:13:02,433 Told you. What goes around, comes around. 308 00:13:02,489 --> 00:13:03,661 When I got transferred here, 309 00:13:03,724 --> 00:13:07,433 I found myself on the same cell block with an innocent man. 310 00:13:07,828 --> 00:13:09,068 I just thought he might like to know 311 00:13:09,129 --> 00:13:11,541 who he's doin his time for, that's all. 312 00:13:13,467 --> 00:13:15,947 Edwards never told me anything about anybody named Foley. 313 00:13:16,003 --> 00:13:17,573 Now why would he make something like that up. 314 00:13:17,638 --> 00:13:18,776 How do I know? 315 00:13:18,839 --> 00:13:20,614 He's the one who had the beef with this guy. 316 00:13:20,674 --> 00:13:22,984 And he just happens to point the finger at you? 317 00:13:23,043 --> 00:13:25,353 Things like that happen in here all the time. 318 00:13:25,746 --> 00:13:27,225 Look, I don't know why he would tell you 319 00:13:27,281 --> 00:13:29,352 that he talked to me about Foley. He didn't. 320 00:13:29,416 --> 00:13:31,862 So you never heard of James Foley? 321 00:13:32,486 --> 00:13:34,693 ED: Look, Mr. Campbell, the warden says 322 00:13:34,755 --> 00:13:37,998 that you've been proclaiming your innocence since you set foot in here. 323 00:13:38,058 --> 00:13:40,004 Doesn't seem to have done me much good, does it? 324 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:42,336 Well, who knows, maybe today's your lucky day. 325 00:13:43,163 --> 00:13:46,144 I been up here for 12 years for a crime I didn't commit. 326 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,340 The guy who was sent here with me already died in this place. 327 00:13:49,403 --> 00:13:53,180 If my lucky day includes two detectives accusing me of another murder, 328 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,810 I think I'll just pass. 329 00:13:56,910 --> 00:14:00,551 Edwards' phone log from Sing Sing doesn't have any outgoing calls 330 00:14:00,614 --> 00:14:02,150 within a week of Foley's murder. 331 00:14:02,216 --> 00:14:04,196 Maybe he sent a postcard. 332 00:14:04,518 --> 00:14:08,364 Victim in the Campbell murder was a gang banger named David Gale. 333 00:14:08,422 --> 00:14:11,062 There was an eyewitness, fingerprints on the murder weapon. 334 00:14:11,124 --> 00:14:13,695 Another innocent man falsely convicted. 335 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,933 This witness had a pretty good sheet. 336 00:14:16,630 --> 00:14:18,132 Possession, prostitution. 337 00:14:18,198 --> 00:14:21,907 Hey, like we always say, if only all our witnesses could be choir boys. 338 00:14:21,969 --> 00:14:23,778 But the forensics were good you said? 339 00:14:23,837 --> 00:14:25,908 Set of partials on the gun. 340 00:14:25,973 --> 00:14:27,077 Moving on. 341 00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:28,676 Hmm. Maybe not. 342 00:14:29,309 --> 00:14:31,880 Lead detective on the case was... 343 00:14:38,118 --> 00:14:39,529 Of course, I remember the case. 344 00:14:39,586 --> 00:14:41,031 I made grade because of it. 345 00:14:41,088 --> 00:14:42,328 You got grade money in Narcotics? 346 00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:45,063 Well, city was in the midst of a crack epidemic. 347 00:14:45,125 --> 00:14:47,537 The victim was a Lower East Side dealer. 348 00:14:47,594 --> 00:14:50,803 One more dead crack dealer. Practically a public service. 349 00:14:50,864 --> 00:14:54,471 Only this one was shot in a park across from City Hall. 350 00:14:54,568 --> 00:14:58,038 The mayor went ballistic, wanted it solved fast. 351 00:14:58,105 --> 00:14:59,175 Which you did. 352 00:14:59,239 --> 00:15:00,877 Well, I had a little luck, you know. 353 00:15:00,941 --> 00:15:03,922 Eyewitness was a prostitute. Said she heard shots, 354 00:15:03,977 --> 00:15:08,119 saw the co-defendants, Campbell and a guy named Larry Martin, 355 00:15:08,181 --> 00:15:10,183 running from the car where the victim was, 356 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:12,821 and then we found the murder weapon in a dumpster. 357 00:15:12,886 --> 00:15:14,126 With Campbell's prints on it. 358 00:15:14,187 --> 00:15:16,167 Detective, those visitor logs you asked for. 359 00:15:16,223 --> 00:15:17,463 Thank you. 360 00:15:17,724 --> 00:15:19,135 Those Campbell's or Edward's? 361 00:15:19,192 --> 00:15:21,399 Both. He's nothing if not thorough. 362 00:15:21,461 --> 00:15:23,998 Hey, check this out, Campbell and Edwards both had the same visitor 363 00:15:24,064 --> 00:15:25,737 a week before Foley's murder. 364 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:27,574 Then again two days later. 365 00:15:27,634 --> 00:15:29,477 Who? Luke Campbell. 366 00:15:30,637 --> 00:15:34,107 I'm supposed to notify corporate before I talk to law enforcement. 367 00:15:34,174 --> 00:15:36,313 This isn't about work, Mr. Campbell. 368 00:15:36,677 --> 00:15:38,714 What's it about then? Your brother? 369 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:41,054 I got nothing to say about him. 370 00:15:41,114 --> 00:15:43,253 What about, uh, Glenn Edwards? 371 00:15:43,317 --> 00:15:44,990 ED: He's an inmate at Sing Sing. 372 00:15:45,052 --> 00:15:48,499 The visiting log there says you met him October 10th, 373 00:15:48,555 --> 00:15:50,296 and then again on October 12th. 374 00:15:50,357 --> 00:15:52,303 Same days as you saw your brother. 375 00:15:53,193 --> 00:15:55,434 ED: What's going on, Mr. Campbell? 376 00:15:55,495 --> 00:15:58,499 This guy Edwards said he knew something about Bobby's case. 377 00:15:58,565 --> 00:15:59,805 ED: Bobby knew about the meetings? 378 00:15:59,866 --> 00:16:01,504 No. I went to see this guy on my own. 379 00:16:01,568 --> 00:16:02,706 BRISCOE: So what'd he tell you? 380 00:16:02,769 --> 00:16:06,876 Nothing. It was a scam. He said he knew something, but he wanted money first. 381 00:16:06,974 --> 00:16:09,011 He didn't tell you that your brother was innocent? 382 00:16:09,076 --> 00:16:10,953 That he knew who the real killer was? 383 00:16:11,011 --> 00:16:12,354 No. He didn't. 384 00:16:12,412 --> 00:16:14,790 He didn't mention a guy named Jimmy Foley? 385 00:16:14,848 --> 00:16:15,849 No. 386 00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:19,121 So where you were last Tuesday night, Mr. Campbell? 387 00:16:19,753 --> 00:16:22,063 I was working the night shift at my other job. 388 00:16:26,193 --> 00:16:29,265 Tuesday, the 18th, Mr. Campbell was working a building in Midtown. 389 00:16:29,329 --> 00:16:30,808 8:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. 390 00:16:30,864 --> 00:16:32,207 ED: What kind of job is that? 391 00:16:32,265 --> 00:16:35,644 Sit at a desk, bring a book, try not to fall asleep kinda job. 392 00:16:35,702 --> 00:16:37,204 Is he alone all that time? 393 00:16:37,270 --> 00:16:38,647 Well, there's a supervisor. 394 00:16:38,705 --> 00:16:39,979 What about a break? 395 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,782 Half hour for dinner. Supervisor's gotta come by and relieve him. 396 00:16:42,843 --> 00:16:44,652 BRISCOE: So, the boss isn't on the premises? 397 00:16:44,711 --> 00:16:46,987 He roves, he checks each building once an hour. 398 00:16:47,047 --> 00:16:48,048 We want to talk to him. 399 00:16:48,482 --> 00:16:50,086 I can page him for you. 400 00:16:50,784 --> 00:16:53,094 Uh, excuse me, are your guards bonded? 401 00:16:53,153 --> 00:16:54,962 We do extensive background checks. 402 00:16:55,022 --> 00:16:57,127 Criminal history, references, the works. 403 00:16:57,190 --> 00:16:58,669 ED: Fingerprints? 404 00:16:58,725 --> 00:17:00,033 Absolutely. 405 00:17:01,294 --> 00:17:02,466 What else you got in the bag? 406 00:17:02,529 --> 00:17:04,475 How's it going, Mr. Campbell? 407 00:17:04,531 --> 00:17:06,704 I'll be with you fellas in a minute. You got a receipt? 408 00:17:06,767 --> 00:17:08,303 No, I think you're gonna come with us now. 409 00:17:08,368 --> 00:17:09,642 Come with you where? 410 00:17:09,703 --> 00:17:11,376 Look, I told you guys everything I know. 411 00:17:11,438 --> 00:17:13,850 Well, we think there's a few details you left out. 412 00:17:13,907 --> 00:17:15,215 How does it feel? 413 00:17:16,276 --> 00:17:19,086 Put this T-shirt back and consider yourself lucky. 414 00:17:23,283 --> 00:17:26,093 LUKE: I told you before, I've never met anyone named Foley. 415 00:17:26,153 --> 00:17:30,158 Then maybe you can explain why your prints were in his apartment? 416 00:17:30,223 --> 00:17:32,794 Prints don't lie, Mr. Campbell. You were there. 417 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,502 Look, you seem like a decent, hardworking guy. 418 00:17:36,563 --> 00:17:38,304 You got no criminal record. 419 00:17:38,365 --> 00:17:40,436 Why don't you just tell us what happened. 420 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:42,502 Help yourself out, man. 421 00:17:42,569 --> 00:17:44,105 You say that fingerprints don't lie, 422 00:17:44,171 --> 00:17:46,447 but that is not true, not all the time. 423 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:48,210 Are you talking about your brother? 424 00:17:48,275 --> 00:17:50,949 They said his fingerprints were on that gun, but they weren't. 425 00:17:51,011 --> 00:17:52,285 And you know this how? 426 00:17:52,345 --> 00:17:54,382 'Cause Bobby was innocent. 427 00:17:55,382 --> 00:17:57,362 An eyewitness identified him. 428 00:17:57,651 --> 00:17:58,857 And his co-defendant. 429 00:17:58,919 --> 00:18:00,057 That witness was lying. 430 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,100 Oh, so now everybody's lied right? 431 00:18:03,857 --> 00:18:06,098 Look, I know how it sounds. 432 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,706 But I didn't know what else to do. 433 00:18:08,762 --> 00:18:10,537 So you went there to even the score. 434 00:18:10,597 --> 00:18:12,406 No. It wasn't like that. 435 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,343 Then what was it like? 436 00:18:15,102 --> 00:18:16,877 (SIGHS) 437 00:18:17,337 --> 00:18:19,214 Bobby said to let the lawyers handle it, 438 00:18:19,272 --> 00:18:21,274 but they've been handling it almost 12 years, 439 00:18:21,341 --> 00:18:23,048 and nothing's happened. 440 00:18:25,746 --> 00:18:29,125 When Foley came to the door, he knew right away who I was. 441 00:18:29,182 --> 00:18:30,252 HOW? 442 00:18:30,317 --> 00:18:31,921 I don't know, he just did. 443 00:18:31,985 --> 00:18:33,760 I bet he was real glad to see you. 444 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:35,857 I told him what he was doing was wrong. 445 00:18:35,922 --> 00:18:38,698 That my brother shouldn't be serving time for a crime he didn't commit. 446 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:39,897 And what? 447 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,497 Did you think he was just gonna confess? 448 00:18:43,163 --> 00:18:45,541 I don't know what I thought, but when I told him, 449 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,546 he just laughed, tried to close the door on me. 450 00:18:48,602 --> 00:18:51,105 BRISCOE: And you wouldn't take "no" for an answer. 451 00:18:51,171 --> 00:18:54,050 I got past him, then I just started 452 00:18:54,741 --> 00:18:57,620 looking around for, I don't know, 453 00:18:57,677 --> 00:18:59,884 proof or something. 454 00:18:59,946 --> 00:19:02,187 That's when he grabbed me, around my neck. 455 00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:05,463 I told him to let go but he wouldn't. 456 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:07,192 And so I just pushed back and 457 00:19:09,022 --> 00:19:11,832 we fell, he must have hit his head. 458 00:19:12,592 --> 00:19:15,766 You got that right. Half his brains were on the floor. 459 00:19:21,334 --> 00:19:24,110 I go up to see Bobby twice a month 460 00:19:24,404 --> 00:19:26,577 ever since I was old enough to drive. 461 00:19:27,974 --> 00:19:29,453 For the last six months 462 00:19:30,677 --> 00:19:34,489 I've seen him giving up, giving up hope. 463 00:19:37,083 --> 00:19:39,154 You don't know what it's like seeing your older brother 464 00:19:39,219 --> 00:19:41,096 give up on his life. 465 00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:46,737 He's been rotting away in that prison for 12 years, 466 00:19:46,793 --> 00:19:48,466 for a crime he didn't commit. 467 00:19:48,528 --> 00:19:51,338 And this was my one chance to prove his innocence. 468 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,710 And now the guy's dead. 469 00:19:56,102 --> 00:19:57,342 (SNIFFLING) 470 00:20:01,141 --> 00:20:02,279 Self-defense. 471 00:20:02,342 --> 00:20:04,151 His lawyer served notice at arraignments. 472 00:20:04,211 --> 00:20:07,283 Awfully difficult claim to make out in another man's apartment. 473 00:20:07,347 --> 00:20:09,258 There was also a PS, no plea. 474 00:20:10,417 --> 00:20:11,953 Was this lawyer just over confident 475 00:20:12,018 --> 00:20:13,895 or does he know something we don't? 476 00:20:13,954 --> 00:20:16,867 Lieutenant Van Buren was the lead detective in the original case. 477 00:20:16,923 --> 00:20:18,732 Back when I was in Narcotics. 478 00:20:19,326 --> 00:20:20,498 Is there anyway they can make it seem 479 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,005 like there's any truth to what he's saying? 480 00:20:22,062 --> 00:20:23,700 That his brother's innocent? 481 00:20:23,763 --> 00:20:24,935 I don't see how. 482 00:20:24,998 --> 00:20:27,376 There was also a witness. Brenda Warren. 483 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:28,708 JACK: How reliable was she? 484 00:20:28,768 --> 00:20:30,770 Reliable enough to convince a jury. 485 00:20:30,837 --> 00:20:33,511 Bobby Campbell's prints were also found on the murder weapon 486 00:20:33,573 --> 00:20:36,952 and his co-defendant's blood type matched the blood at the scene. 487 00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:38,580 Doesn't matter. 488 00:20:38,645 --> 00:20:41,990 Defense counsel's still gonna try your case all over again anyway. 489 00:20:42,048 --> 00:20:43,550 Can they do that? 490 00:20:43,617 --> 00:20:45,028 Propensity for violence. 491 00:20:45,085 --> 00:20:48,794 If Luke Campbell can suggest Foley was the killer in his brother's case, 492 00:20:48,855 --> 00:20:51,665 he might get a jury to believe Foley was the aggressor in this one. 493 00:20:51,725 --> 00:20:54,103 How many bites do these guys get? 494 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,640 JACK: We need to re-interview your witness. 495 00:20:58,298 --> 00:21:00,778 Brenda Warren had a drug problem. 496 00:21:00,834 --> 00:21:02,814 Was there any connection between her and Campbell? 497 00:21:02,869 --> 00:21:04,177 Any motive for her to lie? 498 00:21:04,237 --> 00:21:06,979 I never found one. Neither did Campbell's lawyer. 499 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,543 We had the guy's fingerprints. 500 00:21:09,609 --> 00:21:12,180 Well, it's been 10 years, maybe they won't be able to find her. 501 00:21:12,245 --> 00:21:14,521 But if they do, I don't want to take any chances, 502 00:21:14,581 --> 00:21:18,495 the defense finds some way to shake her original trial testimony. 503 00:21:18,552 --> 00:21:21,032 We'll make sure all our I's are dotted and our T's are crossed. 504 00:21:21,087 --> 00:21:22,828 They were 12 years ago. 505 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,738 I don't understand, I testified at the trial. They were both convicted. 506 00:21:29,796 --> 00:21:31,207 SERENA: And we're very grateful to you for that. 507 00:21:31,264 --> 00:21:32,538 It's just, some things have come up 508 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:35,045 that might make some people ask you about what happened again. 509 00:21:35,101 --> 00:21:37,479 What are you talking about? What things? 510 00:21:37,537 --> 00:21:39,676 Honey, could you just give us a minute. 511 00:21:40,373 --> 00:21:41,374 Sure. 512 00:21:44,878 --> 00:21:45,913 What things? 513 00:21:45,979 --> 00:21:48,118 Another man has been killed. 514 00:21:48,948 --> 00:21:50,018 I don't understand. 515 00:21:50,383 --> 00:21:51,657 Well, the person who's been arrested 516 00:21:51,718 --> 00:21:54,221 was the brother of one of the men you testified against. 517 00:21:54,287 --> 00:21:55,288 He's after me? 518 00:21:55,355 --> 00:21:57,392 No, no. It's nothing like that. 519 00:21:57,457 --> 00:21:59,095 Then what? SERENA: Well, this man claims 520 00:21:59,159 --> 00:22:00,160 his brother was innocent. 521 00:22:00,226 --> 00:22:01,432 That the man he killed a few days ago 522 00:22:01,494 --> 00:22:04,031 was the real murderer in the case you testified in. 523 00:22:04,597 --> 00:22:06,941 How... How could this happen? 524 00:22:07,367 --> 00:22:10,541 Some lawyers may come by here and try to speak with you. 525 00:22:10,604 --> 00:22:12,811 No. No more lawyers. I'm not talking to any more lawyers. 526 00:22:12,872 --> 00:22:15,978 All you have to do, Miss Warren, is confirm what you said at trial. 527 00:22:16,042 --> 00:22:18,488 No. I am not going through this again. 528 00:22:18,545 --> 00:22:20,786 Listen, I pulled my life together after this trial. 529 00:22:20,847 --> 00:22:22,451 I got straight. I got my GED. 530 00:22:22,515 --> 00:22:24,893 You can't just walk in here and start accusing me of lying. 531 00:22:24,951 --> 00:22:27,056 We're not accusing you of anything, Miss Warren. 532 00:22:27,954 --> 00:22:30,093 I think you should both just leave. 533 00:22:30,156 --> 00:22:32,102 SERENA: They can subpoena you. 534 00:22:32,158 --> 00:22:33,796 I want you to go. 535 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:35,500 We can subpoena you too. 536 00:22:35,562 --> 00:22:38,304 Well, then I'll just say I don't remember. 537 00:22:38,365 --> 00:22:39,400 Miss Warren, please. 538 00:22:39,466 --> 00:22:41,343 No. I said get out of my house! 539 00:22:45,472 --> 00:22:47,509 Hope she was a little more cooperative than that at the trial. 540 00:22:47,574 --> 00:22:49,918 Well, she testified over 12 years ago 541 00:22:49,976 --> 00:22:51,580 and now we show up at her door and ask her to go 542 00:22:51,644 --> 00:22:53,282 through it all over again. 543 00:22:53,346 --> 00:22:54,552 It doesn't surprise me. 544 00:22:54,614 --> 00:22:55,888 Oh, come on, you're not gonna really tell me 545 00:22:55,949 --> 00:22:57,292 something else wasn't going on back there 546 00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:58,658 other than a little reluctance? 547 00:22:58,718 --> 00:23:01,665 I don't know what was going on, Serena, and neither do you. 548 00:23:02,989 --> 00:23:04,195 Well, what about the reward money? 549 00:23:04,257 --> 00:23:05,531 She was a crack addict, right? 550 00:23:05,592 --> 00:23:08,163 She didn't know about the reward before she came forward. 551 00:23:08,228 --> 00:23:09,605 Look, she was a junkie. 552 00:23:09,663 --> 00:23:12,439 Maybe her new husband doesn't know anything about that. 553 00:23:12,499 --> 00:23:14,069 Who knows what she's afraid of now. 554 00:23:14,134 --> 00:23:16,910 Well, whatever it is, we better find it before defense counsel does. 555 00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:18,916 Well, even if she does change her story, 556 00:23:18,972 --> 00:23:21,748 we still have Campbell's prints on the murder weapon. 557 00:23:25,912 --> 00:23:29,519 You're joking, right? You're talking about a case that's over 12 years old. 558 00:23:29,582 --> 00:23:31,391 Well, you keep your records somewhere, don't you? 559 00:23:31,451 --> 00:23:34,125 Why do you need them? Campbell's kid brother is makin' noise 560 00:23:34,187 --> 00:23:36,258 about him being innocent. 561 00:23:36,322 --> 00:23:38,563 Apple doesn't fall far, does it? 562 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:39,933 SERENA: Look, I know it's a little inconvenient 563 00:23:39,993 --> 00:23:42,166 but we have a situation now that we need to deal with. 564 00:23:42,228 --> 00:23:43,468 What kind of situation? 565 00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:46,739 The eyewitness, we tracked her down just to cover all the bases. 566 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,279 She acted a little skittish. 567 00:23:48,334 --> 00:23:49,404 We're not sure we're gonna be able 568 00:23:49,469 --> 00:23:51,005 to count on her this time around. 569 00:23:51,271 --> 00:23:53,547 Oh, well, you may have more of a situation than you thought. 570 00:23:53,606 --> 00:23:55,916 VAN BUREN: What do you mean? Well, we archive all the physical reports 571 00:23:55,975 --> 00:23:57,648 once the guy's last appeal's denied. 572 00:23:57,911 --> 00:24:00,152 Tell me who to contact and I'll have the file requisitioned. 573 00:24:00,213 --> 00:24:03,092 Remember that water main that burst about five years ago? 574 00:24:03,149 --> 00:24:04,594 Don't tell us. 575 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:05,652 Yeah. 576 00:24:05,719 --> 00:24:07,892 Flooded our record room downtown. 577 00:24:07,954 --> 00:24:10,730 Campbell's prints are probably in the Gulf Stream by now. 578 00:24:12,092 --> 00:24:14,732 Whoever said that justice delayed was justice denied, 579 00:24:14,794 --> 00:24:16,637 obviously never worked in the system. 580 00:24:16,696 --> 00:24:19,506 This witness recants, it's a whole new ball game for both the Campbells. 581 00:24:19,566 --> 00:24:21,637 Well, with any luck, it won't come down to this witness. 582 00:24:21,701 --> 00:24:23,840 The fingerprint lift is definitely gone, 583 00:24:23,903 --> 00:24:27,350 but the CSU techs take photos of the dusted prints before they lift them. 584 00:24:27,407 --> 00:24:29,182 The police department still has those. 585 00:24:29,242 --> 00:24:31,813 They're in an evidence locker in Brooklyn. 586 00:24:31,878 --> 00:24:33,084 JACK: We're sure they're still there? 587 00:24:33,146 --> 00:24:35,319 I sent Briscoe and Green over there this afternoon 588 00:24:35,381 --> 00:24:37,486 to walk them to the lab themselves. 589 00:24:37,550 --> 00:24:40,190 Well, call them back and tell them to pick them up. 590 00:24:40,253 --> 00:24:42,233 I'm not having the same lab do the test, 591 00:24:42,288 --> 00:24:43,824 that lost the results in the first place. 592 00:24:44,591 --> 00:24:46,935 I know this fingerprint examiner. 593 00:24:46,993 --> 00:24:49,303 She's been with the department 19 years. 594 00:24:49,362 --> 00:24:52,275 I'm not questioning her professionalism, Lieutenant. 595 00:24:52,332 --> 00:24:55,609 I'd just rather not give defense counsel any ammunition to argue 596 00:24:55,668 --> 00:24:59,081 that the lab that couldn't even keep their evidence dry shouldn't be trusted. 597 00:25:00,106 --> 00:25:01,813 Who do you want to do the analysis? 598 00:25:03,243 --> 00:25:05,621 Send the photos over to the FBI. 599 00:25:05,678 --> 00:25:08,318 In the meantime, let's see if we can't get a DNA comparison 600 00:25:08,381 --> 00:25:11,521 on the blood that was linked to Campbell's co-defendant. 601 00:25:11,584 --> 00:25:12,892 Yeah. Anita, your detectives 602 00:25:12,952 --> 00:25:14,488 dropped them off a few hours ago. 603 00:25:14,554 --> 00:25:16,556 I was just about to take a look at 'em. 604 00:25:16,623 --> 00:25:18,660 You know, it's gonna be fun working with you again. 605 00:25:18,725 --> 00:25:21,535 Well, there's been a little change in plans, Lisa. 606 00:25:21,594 --> 00:25:23,267 What happened? The kid took a plea? 607 00:25:23,329 --> 00:25:27,709 Actually, the D.A.'s gonna have the FBI lab do the fingerprint analysis. 608 00:25:30,236 --> 00:25:32,739 The FBI? Why, for God sake? 609 00:25:33,072 --> 00:25:35,245 Well, there's just a feeling that the loss 610 00:25:35,308 --> 00:25:37,310 of the original file could be used 611 00:25:37,377 --> 00:25:39,379 by some lawyer as a smokescreen. 612 00:25:39,446 --> 00:25:41,289 Oh, so now a broken water main is my fault. 613 00:25:41,347 --> 00:25:44,851 It's no one's fault. They just don't want to create a problem 614 00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:46,192 if they don't have to. 615 00:25:46,886 --> 00:25:48,365 Well, it's ridiculous. 616 00:25:48,822 --> 00:25:49,960 I'm the lab supervisor. 617 00:25:50,023 --> 00:25:51,331 You know, no one's gonna embarrass me, 618 00:25:51,391 --> 00:25:52,995 especially some defense lawyer. 619 00:25:53,126 --> 00:25:54,696 That's exactly what I told them. 620 00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:56,104 I mean, how many hours did you and I 621 00:25:56,162 --> 00:25:58,142 put into this case in the first place? 622 00:25:58,198 --> 00:25:59,541 Too many to count. 623 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,239 Look, this conviction helped me get off the lieutenant's list 624 00:26:02,302 --> 00:26:03,781 after I took the exam. 625 00:26:03,836 --> 00:26:05,907 I am not gonna let this guy slip away now. 626 00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:08,885 Well, it's not right, Anita, and you know it. 627 00:26:09,709 --> 00:26:11,052 Take 'em. 628 00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:22,095 What are we looking at? 629 00:26:22,155 --> 00:26:24,499 They're called ridge characteristics, 630 00:26:24,557 --> 00:26:27,094 areas where the ridges at the end of the fingertips 631 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,140 abruptly end or split. 632 00:26:29,195 --> 00:26:31,266 If two prints share enough of these, they match. 633 00:26:31,631 --> 00:26:32,803 I always thought you just laid prints 634 00:26:32,865 --> 00:26:34,742 on top of one another like tracing paper. 635 00:26:34,801 --> 00:26:36,781 It's common misperception. 636 00:26:36,836 --> 00:26:39,749 Latent prints are often smudged, or overlap. 637 00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:41,308 Plus, the pressure you press down with 638 00:26:41,374 --> 00:26:42,944 changes how a print looks. 639 00:26:43,009 --> 00:26:44,989 We're actually comparing very different things 640 00:26:45,044 --> 00:26:47,217 and trying to say they're similar enough. 641 00:26:47,513 --> 00:26:49,186 How similar do they have to be? 642 00:26:49,249 --> 00:26:52,890 Well, different labs have different minimum numbers of matching detail. 643 00:26:52,952 --> 00:26:54,192 There's no universal standard? 644 00:26:54,554 --> 00:26:57,091 Some require 10 for a match, others 15. 645 00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:58,601 New York City has no minimum number. 646 00:26:58,658 --> 00:27:01,935 Each individual examiner has his own standard. 647 00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:04,066 So what about our print? 648 00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:05,939 Well, according to the trial transcript, 649 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:07,740 your original examiner testified 650 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,007 that she observed six matching points, 651 00:27:10,069 --> 00:27:11,605 which is her minimum number. 652 00:27:11,938 --> 00:27:13,315 Isn't that enough? 653 00:27:13,373 --> 00:27:16,650 First of all, six is an extremely low number. 654 00:27:16,709 --> 00:27:20,486 But more importantly, I couldn't even figure out how she'd found six. 655 00:27:20,547 --> 00:27:22,356 I mean, they just aren't there. 656 00:27:22,448 --> 00:27:24,428 And all this means what? It's not Campbell's print? 657 00:27:24,617 --> 00:27:26,858 I can't really say whose it is. 658 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,922 What I can say, is that your examiner 659 00:27:28,988 --> 00:27:31,400 never should have testified that this print was a match 660 00:27:31,457 --> 00:27:33,164 with Campbell's to begin with. 661 00:27:36,629 --> 00:27:38,074 It's that subjective? 662 00:27:38,931 --> 00:27:42,276 JACK: It's bound to be. They're trying to judge similarities. 663 00:27:42,335 --> 00:27:43,370 What about the eyewitness? 664 00:27:43,436 --> 00:27:45,245 Lieutenant Van Buren and I re-interviewed her. 665 00:27:45,305 --> 00:27:47,285 She was extremely uncooperative. 666 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:48,819 So then there is a reasonable chance 667 00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:51,253 that Campbell has been wrongfully convicted. 668 00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:54,018 We should know more once the DNA on the blood comes back. 669 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,718 Either way it means his brother's 670 00:27:55,782 --> 00:27:58,854 going to be able to raise questions about Foley in his case as well. 671 00:27:58,918 --> 00:28:01,694 You know, Russo's been in that lab for 19 years. 672 00:28:01,955 --> 00:28:04,094 What if she's had her finger on the scale all along? 673 00:28:04,357 --> 00:28:07,338 No telling how many cases get reversed if that's true. 674 00:28:07,393 --> 00:28:10,567 But I'd rather not open the floodgates based on speculation. 675 00:28:10,963 --> 00:28:13,000 Randomly test 20 of her cases. 676 00:28:14,067 --> 00:28:16,741 Let's find out if we got a cop in a lab coat. 677 00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:20,776 I found seven false positives out of the 20 that I tested. 678 00:28:22,408 --> 00:28:24,479 It's almost a third. Statistically, it's impossible 679 00:28:24,544 --> 00:28:27,252 that she just kept making that many mistakes. 680 00:28:27,313 --> 00:28:29,020 And it gets worse. How? 681 00:28:29,649 --> 00:28:31,754 The original forensics team recovered 682 00:28:31,851 --> 00:28:34,388 over a dozen partial prints from inside the car 683 00:28:34,487 --> 00:28:36,091 where the victim had been shot. 684 00:28:36,155 --> 00:28:39,261 Now, fortunately, those prints were kept in a file at another location. 685 00:28:39,325 --> 00:28:43,205 At the time, this examiner declared them all unidentifiable. 686 00:28:43,262 --> 00:28:44,639 That wasn't true. 687 00:28:45,431 --> 00:28:47,308 FBI agent found a print in the vehicle 688 00:28:47,367 --> 00:28:49,074 with an eight point comparison. 689 00:28:49,135 --> 00:28:52,378 AFIS spit out a possible, belongs to a guy named Ray Gifford. 690 00:28:52,438 --> 00:28:53,508 Who's he? 691 00:28:53,573 --> 00:28:56,110 He and Foley were arrested together over a half dozen times. 692 00:28:56,175 --> 00:28:57,415 Where's Gifford now? 693 00:28:57,477 --> 00:29:01,357 In a state prison in Florida doing life without parole on a drug sale. 694 00:29:01,447 --> 00:29:03,051 An eight point comparison. 695 00:29:04,817 --> 00:29:06,558 So you never looked into Gifford? 696 00:29:06,819 --> 00:29:10,164 I never even heard of him or Foley until a few weeks ago. 697 00:29:10,223 --> 00:29:13,864 I had an eyewitness who had already ID'd Campbell and Martin, 698 00:29:13,926 --> 00:29:15,769 and then the print came back. 699 00:29:15,828 --> 00:29:18,001 SERENA: The only theory of the case had two assailants. 700 00:29:18,064 --> 00:29:20,374 Foley's prints are as good a match to the print on the gun 701 00:29:20,433 --> 00:29:21,912 as Campbell's, and he admitted the killing 702 00:29:21,968 --> 00:29:23,777 to our friend Edwards up in Sing Sing. 703 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:26,243 And Brenda Warren ran drugs for Gifford. 704 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,078 So if Gifford and Foley committed the murder, 705 00:29:30,143 --> 00:29:31,918 it means Campbell and Martin were innocent. 706 00:29:34,514 --> 00:29:36,187 I don't understand. 707 00:29:37,116 --> 00:29:39,858 Does this Russo just make stuff up out of whole cloth? 708 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:43,867 Jack, I have known Lisa Russo a long time. 709 00:29:43,923 --> 00:29:46,062 She has always been good people 710 00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:47,866 and the best in the lab. 711 00:29:47,927 --> 00:29:51,306 The FBI found seven other false positives that weren't even close. 712 00:29:52,699 --> 00:29:55,942 JACK: Get the paperwork started to get Campbell released. 713 00:29:56,002 --> 00:29:58,312 SERENA: What do you want to do about Brenda Warren? 714 00:29:59,705 --> 00:30:01,776 Pick her up for perjury. 715 00:30:08,881 --> 00:30:10,861 Bobby Campbell was just released. 716 00:30:10,917 --> 00:30:13,261 And I made arrangements for Luke Campbell to be there when he was. 717 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:15,799 We dismissed Luke Campbell's case, right? 718 00:30:15,855 --> 00:30:18,859 His older brother just spent more than 12 years in jail 719 00:30:18,925 --> 00:30:20,370 for a crime he didn't commit. 720 00:30:20,426 --> 00:30:21,803 There isn't a jury in the world 721 00:30:21,861 --> 00:30:23,534 that would reject self-defense and convict him. 722 00:30:23,596 --> 00:30:25,542 I'm not sure I'd want to ask them to anyway. 723 00:30:26,465 --> 00:30:29,241 What are our chances if we go after Russo for manslaughter? 724 00:30:30,403 --> 00:30:32,747 We'd have to show she knowingly lied 725 00:30:32,805 --> 00:30:34,944 and that her lie led to Martin's death. 726 00:30:35,675 --> 00:30:37,677 But, for all we know, she was using her judgment. 727 00:30:38,377 --> 00:30:41,290 The system can't be based just on judgment calls. 728 00:30:41,347 --> 00:30:43,384 There has to be a set of standards. 729 00:30:43,449 --> 00:30:45,656 Standards might not take into account 730 00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:48,426 the complexity of fingerprint analysis. 731 00:30:48,488 --> 00:30:51,594 Everything in the system relies on people's judgment, Nora. 732 00:30:51,657 --> 00:30:53,637 But when people cross the line, 733 00:30:53,693 --> 00:30:55,172 they need to be held accountable. 734 00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:57,902 We have no proof that Russo knowingly lied. 735 00:30:57,964 --> 00:31:00,342 Every one of her so called mistakes 736 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,209 was made in favor of the prosecution. 737 00:31:02,268 --> 00:31:06,739 To me, that means, she was neither mistaken nor is she incompetent. 738 00:31:06,806 --> 00:31:12,085 We'd also have to prove that Martin's death was a foreseeable consequence. 739 00:31:12,178 --> 00:31:13,657 In Sing Sing? Yeah. 740 00:31:14,614 --> 00:31:17,618 Prison officials won't like us airing their laundry. 741 00:31:19,118 --> 00:31:20,995 Then they should clean up their act. 742 00:31:24,257 --> 00:31:25,668 What now? 743 00:31:27,059 --> 00:31:29,130 I need you to come down to the precinct. 744 00:31:29,195 --> 00:31:30,469 I've got a lab to run. 745 00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:31,769 Get somebody to cover. 746 00:31:31,831 --> 00:31:33,811 I'm giving you a heads up here, Lisa. 747 00:31:33,866 --> 00:31:35,573 You know what, Anita, 748 00:31:35,635 --> 00:31:37,911 I'm done being polite because we're friends. 749 00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:40,143 I even watched while you people let a convicted murderer 750 00:31:40,206 --> 00:31:41,685 walk out the door. 751 00:31:41,741 --> 00:31:43,482 I'm not gonna be quiet anymore. 752 00:31:43,543 --> 00:31:46,114 Well, if you do start talking, I have to warn you 753 00:31:46,179 --> 00:31:47,886 you have the right to remain silent. 754 00:31:47,947 --> 00:31:49,358 What the hell is this? Lisa Russo, you're under arrest 755 00:31:49,415 --> 00:31:52,225 for manslaughter in the death of Larry Martin. 756 00:31:54,086 --> 00:31:55,463 You have the right to an attorney. 757 00:31:55,521 --> 00:31:58,297 If you cannot afford one, one will be provided for you. 758 00:31:58,391 --> 00:32:00,393 You understand these rights... 759 00:32:03,262 --> 00:32:05,367 She's a civil servant what are you arraigning her on? 760 00:32:05,431 --> 00:32:06,501 JACK: Man two. 761 00:32:06,566 --> 00:32:07,772 SERENA: And there's no offer. 762 00:32:07,833 --> 00:32:11,042 Oh, come on. You don't have a chance at trial and you know it. 763 00:32:11,804 --> 00:32:13,215 She'll take an unpaid leave for six months, 764 00:32:13,272 --> 00:32:14,945 go through rigorous retraining. 765 00:32:15,007 --> 00:32:16,543 This isn't a negotiation. 766 00:32:16,609 --> 00:32:17,883 You're right. 767 00:32:17,944 --> 00:32:21,084 Without proof that she acted with any criminal intent, it's a witch-hunt. 768 00:32:21,147 --> 00:32:23,491 Your client got up in a court of law and lied, 769 00:32:23,549 --> 00:32:27,053 knowing these juries would rely on her testimony. 770 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:28,757 Innocent men were sent to prison. 771 00:32:28,821 --> 00:32:30,562 One of them's dead because of it. 772 00:32:30,623 --> 00:32:32,660 Any way you cut it, it's manslaughter. 773 00:32:32,725 --> 00:32:34,204 (SIGHS DEEPLY) 774 00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:36,001 I can't believe this. 775 00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:38,941 You would send me to jail for doing my job? 776 00:32:38,998 --> 00:32:41,137 Not a word, Lisa. Not another word. 777 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,577 We're done. 778 00:32:51,944 --> 00:32:55,118 Larry and I were doing construction back in '90. 779 00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:58,526 JACK: What, if anything, happened on June 8th of that year? 780 00:32:59,185 --> 00:33:02,359 Two detectives came and arrested us for murder. 781 00:33:02,421 --> 00:33:04,492 They said they had a witness that saw me and Larry 782 00:33:04,557 --> 00:33:06,332 kill some guy near the job site. 783 00:33:06,392 --> 00:33:08,065 What did you think at the time? 784 00:33:08,127 --> 00:33:11,165 Well, at first I wasn't scared. 785 00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:12,732 I mean, I was innocent. 786 00:33:13,666 --> 00:33:15,270 I didn't know who this guy was, 787 00:33:15,334 --> 00:33:16,972 or how he got killed, or anything like that. 788 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:20,381 Then this one female detective came to see me in jail. 789 00:33:20,439 --> 00:33:23,113 Said they'd matched my fingerprints with the gun. 790 00:33:24,076 --> 00:33:26,886 After that it was like a nightmare. 791 00:33:27,747 --> 00:33:29,021 What happened? 792 00:33:29,749 --> 00:33:31,626 The jury convicted me. 793 00:33:32,018 --> 00:33:34,123 Judge gave me 25-to-life. 794 00:33:35,087 --> 00:33:36,691 How did that affect you? 795 00:33:39,558 --> 00:33:42,095 My wife and I tried to hold it together, 796 00:33:42,161 --> 00:33:44,163 but finally got divorced. 797 00:33:45,398 --> 00:33:47,435 She thought it would be better for our baby 798 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:51,073 if he didn't have to deal with a father that was in prison. 799 00:33:52,638 --> 00:33:54,379 She was right, but, 800 00:33:55,942 --> 00:33:58,388 my kid had to grow up without me. 801 00:34:00,212 --> 00:34:01,850 And Larry Martin? 802 00:34:02,281 --> 00:34:05,524 Three years ago, Larry got shanked by another inmate. 803 00:34:06,118 --> 00:34:07,495 He died in the infirmary. 804 00:34:09,622 --> 00:34:12,102 Larry just wasn't cut out for prison life. 805 00:34:15,194 --> 00:34:16,298 Nothing further. 806 00:34:22,668 --> 00:34:24,341 You testified at your trial 807 00:34:24,403 --> 00:34:26,849 that you were home with your wife on the day of the shooting? 808 00:34:26,906 --> 00:34:28,283 Yes. 809 00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:30,013 But a witness identified you and Mr. Martin 810 00:34:30,076 --> 00:34:31,749 as the two men who were running from the victim's auto 811 00:34:31,811 --> 00:34:33,552 after the shots, isn't that right? 812 00:34:33,612 --> 00:34:37,321 All I know is I spent 12 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit. 813 00:34:37,383 --> 00:34:38,521 So you say, 814 00:34:39,084 --> 00:34:41,690 but the witness never changed her story, did she? 815 00:34:41,754 --> 00:34:43,665 Even after she was arrested for perjury. 816 00:34:43,723 --> 00:34:44,861 Objection. 817 00:34:45,224 --> 00:34:46,601 JUDGE: Sustained. 818 00:34:48,427 --> 00:34:50,031 Nothing further. 819 00:34:53,799 --> 00:34:57,372 JACK: Mr. Foster, did you examine a latent print in this case, 820 00:34:57,436 --> 00:34:59,677 and compare it to the prints of Bobby Campbell? 821 00:34:59,739 --> 00:35:01,650 Yes, I did. What were your findings? 822 00:35:02,308 --> 00:35:04,652 Well, the print on the firearm was of no value. 823 00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:07,213 I could not determine that it belonged to Mr. Campbell. 824 00:35:07,279 --> 00:35:10,590 Did you also examine 20 other sets of latent prints 825 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,254 that had previously been examined 826 00:35:12,318 --> 00:35:14,161 and identified by the defendant? 827 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:16,291 Yes. And in seven out of the 20, 828 00:35:16,355 --> 00:35:18,631 I found she'd made false positives. 829 00:35:18,691 --> 00:35:20,693 What conclusions did you draw from that? 830 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,501 The comparisons that she was making 831 00:35:22,561 --> 00:35:25,667 were so far below any standard that, in my opinion, 832 00:35:25,731 --> 00:35:28,940 her testimony in those cases was knowingly false. 833 00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:41,123 How many points does the FBI use comparing prints? 834 00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:43,683 We don't rely on any minimum number at all. 835 00:35:43,749 --> 00:35:47,287 We rely on the expertise and the overall impression of the examiner. 836 00:35:47,887 --> 00:35:52,563 So, examiners are allowed to make matches based on, say, six points? 837 00:35:53,092 --> 00:35:55,538 Theoretically, but other factors... 838 00:35:55,594 --> 00:35:59,007 In fact, fingerprint analysis has never been scientifically tested, has it? 839 00:35:59,064 --> 00:36:00,566 Objection. 840 00:36:00,633 --> 00:36:02,613 The technique's not on trial here, Your Honor, 841 00:36:02,668 --> 00:36:03,738 Miss Russo is. 842 00:36:03,803 --> 00:36:07,478 Your Honor, my client is being accused of intentional inaccuracy. 843 00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:10,384 I think we should be allowed to establish that the technique itself 844 00:36:10,443 --> 00:36:11,979 may be inaccurate and therefore to blame. 845 00:36:12,778 --> 00:36:14,121 I agree. 846 00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:16,217 But don't go too far astray, Mr. Rowan. 847 00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:18,851 The objection's overruled. 848 00:36:18,918 --> 00:36:21,125 The methodology is based on the premise 849 00:36:21,187 --> 00:36:24,259 that no two sets of fingerprints are alike. 850 00:36:24,323 --> 00:36:26,394 Yes, but no one really knows 851 00:36:26,459 --> 00:36:28,461 what the error rates are, do they? 852 00:36:29,095 --> 00:36:30,768 No. Which means you can't sit here today 853 00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:32,571 and tell us that print is not Campbell's? 854 00:36:32,631 --> 00:36:33,769 Well, I don't think it is... 855 00:36:33,833 --> 00:36:37,110 But you cannot absolutely exclude him, can you? 856 00:36:37,903 --> 00:36:39,905 No, I can't. 857 00:36:46,645 --> 00:36:50,354 I observed six matching points between the latent print 858 00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:52,521 and the prints that were provided to me. 859 00:36:53,085 --> 00:36:55,861 Agent Foster testified that he couldn't find six. 860 00:36:56,255 --> 00:36:58,565 In my opinion he's being overly conservative. 861 00:36:58,891 --> 00:37:01,371 So two examiners can disagree in good faith. 862 00:37:01,427 --> 00:37:04,670 A good examiner uses his or her best judgment. 863 00:37:05,064 --> 00:37:08,102 The lab standard is 12, but that's a guideline only. 864 00:37:08,601 --> 00:37:10,638 And in the Campbell case, I used my judgment 865 00:37:10,703 --> 00:37:13,309 and relied on my expertise and experience. 866 00:37:13,372 --> 00:37:15,283 I've been doing that for over 19 years. 867 00:37:15,341 --> 00:37:16,979 Have you ever made a mistake? 868 00:37:17,143 --> 00:37:18,144 Well, I hope not. 869 00:37:18,244 --> 00:37:20,884 That would be a fingerprint examiner's worst nightmare. 870 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,784 All I can say is 871 00:37:22,848 --> 00:37:25,419 that I performed my job the way I was trained to do it, 872 00:37:25,484 --> 00:37:28,260 and I did the very best that I could do. 873 00:37:37,963 --> 00:37:39,203 You said you thought 874 00:37:39,698 --> 00:37:42,144 that Agent Foster was being too conservative. 875 00:37:43,002 --> 00:37:44,481 That's right. 876 00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:46,810 And you're comfortable 877 00:37:46,872 --> 00:37:49,352 with a minimum number of six matching points? 878 00:37:49,408 --> 00:37:50,546 Yes. 879 00:37:50,609 --> 00:37:54,056 Are there other examiners in your lab who require more? 880 00:37:54,113 --> 00:37:56,423 Yes. It's a matter of professional judgment. 881 00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,587 But no one who relies on less. 882 00:37:59,218 --> 00:38:00,720 I suppose not. 883 00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:05,097 Does the name Simon Garrison 884 00:38:05,157 --> 00:38:07,159 mean anything to you, Miss Russo? 885 00:38:07,226 --> 00:38:08,705 Not off hand. 886 00:38:09,095 --> 00:38:10,802 How about the face? 887 00:38:13,032 --> 00:38:14,067 No. 888 00:38:14,133 --> 00:38:15,942 1998. 889 00:38:16,001 --> 00:38:19,073 Your testimony was the key piece of evidence against him. 890 00:38:19,138 --> 00:38:20,378 If you say so. 891 00:38:22,041 --> 00:38:23,714 Isn't it the case, 892 00:38:23,776 --> 00:38:27,246 that after four other examiners in your office 893 00:38:27,313 --> 00:38:29,020 had examined the prints 894 00:38:29,081 --> 00:38:31,083 and refused to declare a match, 895 00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:33,562 that you had the case reassigned to yourself? 896 00:38:33,619 --> 00:38:35,963 In my opinion, the prints were a match. 897 00:38:38,123 --> 00:38:39,727 How about John Quilty? 898 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,339 Three other examiners refused, you declared a match. 899 00:38:44,964 --> 00:38:46,602 I don't remember. 900 00:38:46,665 --> 00:38:47,666 Danny Meyer. 901 00:38:48,467 --> 00:38:50,947 Again, three other examiners. 902 00:38:51,003 --> 00:38:53,381 Your Honor... I looked at the prints in those cases. 903 00:38:53,439 --> 00:38:56,318 They could be matched, so I reassigned them to myself. 904 00:38:56,375 --> 00:38:58,150 I don't see anything wrong with that. 905 00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:59,621 JACK: You don't? 906 00:39:00,279 --> 00:39:01,724 Case after case, 907 00:39:02,314 --> 00:39:03,952 you got on a witness stand, 908 00:39:04,016 --> 00:39:06,018 cloaked in the aura of an expert, 909 00:39:06,085 --> 00:39:08,361 and declared a scientific certainty, 910 00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:10,957 when in fact, numerous other examiners, 911 00:39:11,023 --> 00:39:12,866 had said that they were not a match. 912 00:39:12,925 --> 00:39:15,599 I have 19 years experience. 913 00:39:15,661 --> 00:39:17,641 I use my best judgment. 914 00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:20,069 And your best judgment 915 00:39:20,132 --> 00:39:22,703 sent Bobby Campbell and Larry Martin to prison. 916 00:39:22,768 --> 00:39:23,769 Two innocent men! 917 00:39:23,836 --> 00:39:25,611 A jury did that. 918 00:39:25,671 --> 00:39:29,585 Relying on evidence testified to by you. 919 00:39:29,642 --> 00:39:32,953 There was also an eye witness, the same blood type. 920 00:39:33,012 --> 00:39:34,685 And you knew that, when you looked 921 00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:36,192 at those fingerprints didn't you? 922 00:39:36,248 --> 00:39:39,092 Oh, they were guilty. Everybody knew that. 923 00:39:39,151 --> 00:39:43,998 Not until you decided to declare the prints a match. 924 00:40:13,052 --> 00:40:16,295 Madam Foreperson, have the members of the jury reached a verdict? 925 00:40:16,355 --> 00:40:18,130 Yes, we have, Your Honor. 926 00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:20,295 In the matter of the people of the state of New York 927 00:40:20,359 --> 00:40:22,999 against Lisa Russo, how do you find? 928 00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:26,606 On the charge of Manslaughter in the Second Degree, 929 00:40:26,665 --> 00:40:28,645 we the jury, find the defendant 930 00:40:28,701 --> 00:40:29,941 sunny, 931 00:40:30,269 --> 00:40:31,976 (PEOPLE MURMURING) 932 00:40:35,874 --> 00:40:37,854 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 933 00:40:56,161 --> 00:40:57,834 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) 934 00:40:58,063 --> 00:40:59,736 I finished those fives you wanted. 935 00:40:59,798 --> 00:41:01,072 Oh, thanks. 936 00:41:02,468 --> 00:41:03,879 (SIGHING) 937 00:41:05,637 --> 00:41:07,275 I'm fine, Lennie. 938 00:41:07,906 --> 00:41:09,613 I just wanted to make sure. 939 00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:14,253 You know, you nudge a witness in the right direction at a line up, 940 00:41:14,947 --> 00:41:17,518 the gun was in plain view, 941 00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:20,191 not under the seat. 942 00:41:21,287 --> 00:41:23,028 We do that all the time. 943 00:41:24,623 --> 00:41:27,502 You wouldn't have passed off those prints to the D.A. 944 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:29,903 unless she told you there was a match. 945 00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:37,146 Closing that case got me noticed, Lennie. 946 00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:44,118 And I used to hear the whispers 947 00:41:44,176 --> 00:41:46,122 and the chatter behind my back. 948 00:41:46,178 --> 00:41:48,556 "She got it 'cause she's black." 949 00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:51,460 "She got it 'cause she's a woman." 950 00:41:53,085 --> 00:41:55,190 And I never listened to that crap 951 00:41:55,254 --> 00:41:59,225 because I knew I had earned it. 952 00:42:02,628 --> 00:42:05,370 You made lieutenant because you're a great cop. 953 00:42:06,365 --> 00:42:08,106 All the drug collars you made, 954 00:42:08,167 --> 00:42:10,943 all the killers you put behind bars. 955 00:42:11,003 --> 00:42:13,882 This one case isn't gonna undo all of that. 956 00:42:16,909 --> 00:42:18,820 I'm not so sure, Lennie. 957 00:42:21,346 --> 00:42:22,347 (SIGHS) 958 00:42:23,515 --> 00:42:25,620 I'm not so sure. 959 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:35,502 (DOOR BUZZING) 960 00:42:39,898 --> 00:42:41,104 Thank you. 961 00:42:46,338 --> 00:42:49,285 If you came here to apologize, do us both a favor, 962 00:42:49,708 --> 00:42:52,382 don't. You know, I have been 963 00:42:52,978 --> 00:42:56,118 racking my brain trying to figure out 964 00:42:56,181 --> 00:42:59,162 if I gave you any signals that I wanted you to do this. 965 00:43:00,786 --> 00:43:03,926 Oh, so you came by to make yourself feel better. 966 00:43:03,989 --> 00:43:06,026 To confirm your moral superiority. 967 00:43:11,964 --> 00:43:15,605 I want to know why you did it. 968 00:43:17,236 --> 00:43:19,910 Those were people's lives you were playing with. 969 00:43:19,972 --> 00:43:22,680 You know, I don't recall you crying so hard 970 00:43:22,741 --> 00:43:24,448 when you made first grade off this case. 971 00:43:24,509 --> 00:43:27,547 I never knew you lied! 972 00:43:27,613 --> 00:43:29,524 Oh, please! 973 00:43:29,581 --> 00:43:31,993 You people come in, you give me the evidence. 974 00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:34,462 You tell me, "See what you can come up with, Lisa." 975 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,364 And I gave you exactly what you wanted. 976 00:43:37,423 --> 00:43:38,561 (PANTING) 977 00:43:38,624 --> 00:43:41,696 And you know what? You are the worst kind of hypocrite. 978 00:43:43,729 --> 00:43:45,709 And are you really gonna sit there 979 00:43:45,764 --> 00:43:48,802 and tell me that you don't blur the boundaries? 980 00:43:49,434 --> 00:43:51,004 Go home 981 00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:53,643 and look in the mirror, Anita. 982 00:43:53,705 --> 00:43:55,082 And when you do, 983 00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:58,781 you ask yourself is it right that I'm in here 984 00:43:58,844 --> 00:44:00,824 (SHOUTING) and you're not? 985 00:44:04,983 --> 00:44:06,326 Guard! 986 00:44:06,376 --> 00:44:10,926 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 77681

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