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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,598 --> 00:00:03,339 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,280 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:07,337 --> 00:00:09,180 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:09,239 --> 00:00:12,015 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:12,076 --> 00:00:13,680 These are their stories. 6 00:00:15,579 --> 00:00:17,650 I'm so sick of this mess. DIRECTOR ON RADIO: Camera one, stay wide. 7 00:00:17,714 --> 00:00:20,991 Hey, how do you justify not picking up your own things, Amber? 8 00:00:21,051 --> 00:00:22,587 DIRECTOR: Camera two, move in on Amber. I'm just curious. 9 00:00:23,153 --> 00:00:24,496 AMBER: I don't justify it. 10 00:00:24,755 --> 00:00:27,099 I just have a lot of other things on my mind right now. 11 00:00:27,157 --> 00:00:28,192 Is this about your cat? 12 00:00:28,258 --> 00:00:29,828 Yeah, it's about my cat. 13 00:00:30,494 --> 00:00:32,474 He's been missing for three days and I'm really worried. 14 00:00:32,529 --> 00:00:33,633 DIRECTOR: Okay, camera two, pick up Rocky. 15 00:00:33,697 --> 00:00:35,176 ROCKY: So, why aren't you out looking for your cat 16 00:00:35,232 --> 00:00:37,974 instead of sitting on your ass reading magazines? 17 00:00:38,035 --> 00:00:40,037 Where do you suggest I look? 18 00:00:40,104 --> 00:00:41,674 If you want, I'll help you look for it. 19 00:00:42,306 --> 00:00:43,478 You're sweet. 20 00:00:43,841 --> 00:00:46,549 But what I really want is a little support. 21 00:00:47,311 --> 00:00:48,585 Meow. 22 00:00:48,912 --> 00:00:51,256 Please. Okay, two, follow Amber. 23 00:00:51,315 --> 00:00:54,023 Where are you, Isaac? Come on, baby. 24 00:00:58,155 --> 00:00:59,190 (SCREAMING) 25 00:01:00,324 --> 00:01:02,429 The kid's name is Wes Tatum, 20 years old. 26 00:01:02,493 --> 00:01:04,666 It looked like he went off the roof. ED: Jumped or pushed? 27 00:01:04,728 --> 00:01:06,605 Body's pretty mangled. Hard to tell. 28 00:01:06,663 --> 00:01:08,040 BRISCOE: So how long's he been dead? 29 00:01:08,098 --> 00:01:10,135 I'm gonna say two hours Give or take. 30 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,338 Who found the body? 31 00:01:11,401 --> 00:01:12,778 A group from upstairs. 32 00:01:12,836 --> 00:01:14,076 What group? 33 00:01:14,138 --> 00:01:16,209 You know that show, uh, Deal With It? 34 00:01:16,273 --> 00:01:17,752 Yeah, I know it. 35 00:01:17,808 --> 00:01:19,685 They live in a loft in the building. 36 00:01:19,743 --> 00:01:21,620 Dead kid's a cast member. 37 00:01:22,513 --> 00:01:24,322 Oh, yeah. Right. 38 00:01:24,381 --> 00:01:26,361 So, where are these kids now? 39 00:01:26,416 --> 00:01:27,451 They were gone when we got here. 40 00:01:27,518 --> 00:01:28,724 What do you mean, "gone"? 41 00:01:28,785 --> 00:01:31,265 Some of the production people said the producers took them away. 42 00:01:31,321 --> 00:01:32,664 Turn that light off. We're taping. 43 00:01:32,723 --> 00:01:33,793 No. You're not taping. 44 00:01:33,857 --> 00:01:34,892 We just want to talk to you for a second. 45 00:01:34,958 --> 00:01:35,993 I said, turn that light off. 46 00:01:36,059 --> 00:01:38,130 Who are you? I'm the production manager. 47 00:01:38,562 --> 00:01:40,303 Where are the kids who found the body? 48 00:01:40,364 --> 00:01:42,344 They were taken back to our offices. 49 00:01:42,399 --> 00:01:43,400 On whose authority? 50 00:01:43,467 --> 00:01:46,573 The executive producer's. Look, they were pretty upset. We all are. 51 00:01:46,637 --> 00:01:48,082 Oh, yeah, we could tell. 52 00:01:48,138 --> 00:01:50,516 I'm sorry. I was just trying to be journalistic. 53 00:01:50,574 --> 00:01:52,986 Look, get on the phone and tell the producers 54 00:01:53,043 --> 00:01:54,954 we need to talk to those kids right now. 55 00:01:55,012 --> 00:01:56,389 Sure, sure. But if you wouldn't mind, 56 00:01:56,446 --> 00:01:59,723 first, we'd love to be involved in the investigation. Maybe shoot some tape. 57 00:01:59,783 --> 00:02:02,627 Hey, kid. This is not show business. This is police business. 58 00:02:02,686 --> 00:02:04,188 I understand. 59 00:02:04,922 --> 00:02:06,902 Sorry, Lennie, that could've been your big chance. 60 00:02:06,957 --> 00:02:09,233 I'll wait for the musical version. 61 00:03:00,811 --> 00:03:03,724 BRISCOE: Wes Tatum was from Upper Darby PA. 62 00:03:03,780 --> 00:03:05,919 Two years of junior college. 63 00:03:05,983 --> 00:03:08,827 Liked to skateboard and play bongos in the park. 64 00:03:08,885 --> 00:03:11,297 He'd have been better off staying in Upper Darby. 65 00:03:11,355 --> 00:03:13,858 Preliminary M.E. report lists cause of death as a broken neck. 66 00:03:13,924 --> 00:03:14,959 Internal injuries. 67 00:03:15,025 --> 00:03:16,299 What about the tox screen? 68 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,464 Came back clean. 69 00:03:17,527 --> 00:03:20,133 So, probably not a slip and fall. 70 00:03:20,197 --> 00:03:22,370 What about this TV show he was on? 71 00:03:22,432 --> 00:03:24,605 Deal With It? It's been on the air for three years. 72 00:03:25,202 --> 00:03:26,613 Every season they go to a new city, 73 00:03:26,670 --> 00:03:28,445 they take seven kids, they put 'em in a house, 74 00:03:28,505 --> 00:03:30,678 they give them a soft-touch job, they pay all their expenses, 75 00:03:30,741 --> 00:03:32,846 and they videotape them doing everything 76 00:03:32,909 --> 00:03:34,047 except going to the bathroom. 77 00:03:34,111 --> 00:03:35,454 Now, why stop there? 78 00:03:35,512 --> 00:03:38,288 Well, other than the kids who had access to the building? 79 00:03:38,348 --> 00:03:41,158 The production company and anybody they decide to let in. 80 00:03:41,218 --> 00:03:43,164 Well, that's a fairly broad cross-section. 81 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:45,826 Well, we got a call in to those executive producers. 82 00:03:45,889 --> 00:03:48,426 We'll try to narrow it down a little more once we talk 83 00:03:48,492 --> 00:03:50,130 to the cast members who found the body. 84 00:03:50,193 --> 00:03:52,400 I wanna find out the last time that kid was on camera. 85 00:03:52,462 --> 00:03:53,770 Lieutenant. 86 00:03:55,365 --> 00:03:57,174 These are the tapes from that show. 87 00:03:57,234 --> 00:03:58,542 Looks like you got your chance. 88 00:03:58,602 --> 00:04:00,639 Hey, uh, aren't we gonna be late? 89 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:03,713 Okay. 90 00:04:05,208 --> 00:04:09,281 Deal With It. Never seen it, already hate it. 91 00:04:13,917 --> 00:04:17,160 COREY: We obviously feel terrible about what's happened, 92 00:04:17,220 --> 00:04:18,631 and as the executive producers, 93 00:04:18,689 --> 00:04:20,862 we'd certainly like to help in any way we can. 94 00:04:20,924 --> 00:04:23,131 Like, by taking those kids away? 95 00:04:23,193 --> 00:04:26,197 These kids are very badly shaken, Detective. 96 00:04:26,263 --> 00:04:29,210 We just thought a little time away from the cameras would do them good. 97 00:04:29,266 --> 00:04:31,940 It's quite a thing to have had happened. 98 00:04:32,336 --> 00:04:33,940 Oh, but I guess, TV show or not, 99 00:04:34,004 --> 00:04:35,608 we're all vulnerable in this city. 100 00:04:35,672 --> 00:04:37,413 So, you don't think Wes' death 101 00:04:37,474 --> 00:04:39,476 had anything to do with the TV show? 102 00:04:39,543 --> 00:04:41,614 Anything to do with the TV show how? 103 00:04:41,678 --> 00:04:42,782 You know, cast, crew. 104 00:04:42,846 --> 00:04:44,553 You got a lot of people coming in and out of this building. 105 00:04:44,614 --> 00:04:46,491 MELANIE: Corey, let me take this one. 106 00:04:46,783 --> 00:04:48,922 We screen applicants for our cast and crew 107 00:04:48,985 --> 00:04:52,398 like it was security clearance for a nuclear missile silo, so... 108 00:04:52,456 --> 00:04:55,596 Missile silos can be pretty close quarters. 109 00:04:55,659 --> 00:04:58,435 Maybe things changed in the course of living together. 110 00:04:58,495 --> 00:05:00,202 Well, we're on top of everything that happens, 111 00:05:00,263 --> 00:05:03,244 so if a problem was developing, we'd know about it. 112 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:07,040 Look, I don't want to tell you guys your job, 113 00:05:07,437 --> 00:05:09,246 but this seems fairly straightforward to me. 114 00:05:12,909 --> 00:05:13,979 Explain. 115 00:05:14,344 --> 00:05:17,257 Someone was on the roof, a junkie, a derelict, what have you. 116 00:05:17,314 --> 00:05:19,453 Wes went up there, and an altercation occurred. 117 00:05:19,683 --> 00:05:22,357 And why would Wes go on the roof? 118 00:05:24,221 --> 00:05:25,996 We need to talk to the cast members. 119 00:05:26,056 --> 00:05:27,558 COREY: Can we at least suggest that you look to 120 00:05:27,624 --> 00:05:29,661 me and my wife for any preliminary information? 121 00:05:29,726 --> 00:05:32,900 We just did look to you and your wife for preliminary information. 122 00:05:32,963 --> 00:05:34,567 Now we need to speak to the kids. 123 00:05:36,666 --> 00:05:37,940 Now. 124 00:05:42,272 --> 00:05:44,274 Which one of you found the body? 125 00:05:44,341 --> 00:05:45,752 I saw him out of the window. 126 00:05:45,809 --> 00:05:47,083 It was pretty brutal. 127 00:05:47,144 --> 00:05:48,521 So, you were all here? 128 00:05:48,578 --> 00:05:50,216 I had just gone out to get some food. 129 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:51,884 Wait. There's another kid on the show, right? 130 00:05:51,948 --> 00:05:53,222 Yeah, Jeremy. 131 00:05:53,283 --> 00:05:54,762 Yeah? Where's he? TRENT: He went out. 132 00:05:54,818 --> 00:05:56,058 Did he know we were coming? 133 00:05:56,119 --> 00:05:59,498 That's sort of Jeremy, you know? He likes to defy authority. 134 00:05:59,556 --> 00:06:01,502 Now, what can you tell us about Wes? 135 00:06:01,558 --> 00:06:02,969 Have you watched the show? 136 00:06:03,026 --> 00:06:04,334 Assume we haven't. 137 00:06:04,394 --> 00:06:06,738 Wes could be difficult. 138 00:06:06,797 --> 00:06:08,435 Difficult how? 139 00:06:08,498 --> 00:06:10,774 Inconsiderate. Like, oblivious to 140 00:06:10,834 --> 00:06:12,643 what anyone else was going through. 141 00:06:12,702 --> 00:06:15,979 He talked about himself in the third person. What does that tell you? 142 00:06:16,039 --> 00:06:17,450 I don't know. 143 00:06:18,008 --> 00:06:19,453 He was a jerk. 144 00:06:19,509 --> 00:06:23,116 Did any one of you ever have a physical confrontation with him? 145 00:06:25,015 --> 00:06:26,255 Guys? 146 00:06:26,316 --> 00:06:28,762 Jeremy might have had a problem with Wes. 147 00:06:29,486 --> 00:06:34,128 So, uh, where does Jeremy go when he wants to defy authority? 148 00:06:34,958 --> 00:06:36,699 All right, you guys wanna talk about Wes, huh? 149 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,933 Yeah. We gather he wasn't particularly popular. 150 00:06:38,995 --> 00:06:40,030 Yeah. Yeah. 151 00:06:40,096 --> 00:06:42,702 People made varying degrees of accommodation for his behavior. 152 00:06:42,766 --> 00:06:44,973 Well, let's talk about you specifically. 153 00:06:45,035 --> 00:06:46,878 Specifically? Oh, I couldn't stand him. 154 00:06:46,937 --> 00:06:48,211 How come? 155 00:06:48,271 --> 00:06:52,515 Well, let's see. Aside from his being a vain, shallow, passive-aggressive, 156 00:06:52,576 --> 00:06:55,216 he was bringing his lowlife skater friends into the loft, you know? 157 00:06:55,278 --> 00:06:58,487 They'd eat all our food, they'd hit on the chicks, I couldn't stand it. 158 00:06:58,548 --> 00:07:00,221 Well, why didn't you tell the show's producers? 159 00:07:00,283 --> 00:07:01,523 What do you mean? Like telling the teachers? 160 00:07:01,585 --> 00:07:04,691 I'm not into that. I confronted him myself. 161 00:07:05,255 --> 00:07:06,461 Yeah? When? 162 00:07:06,756 --> 00:07:08,736 Let's see, the point at which I lost it 163 00:07:08,792 --> 00:07:11,170 was when Amber's video camera disappeared, you know? 164 00:07:11,228 --> 00:07:13,469 She's all like, "I don't wanna jump to conclusions. 165 00:07:13,530 --> 00:07:15,806 "Everyone's always blaming Wes." You know? 166 00:07:15,866 --> 00:07:17,243 But, uh, I don't stand on ceremony. 167 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:18,802 I called him out, and we got into it. 168 00:07:18,869 --> 00:07:20,348 Got into it how? 169 00:07:20,403 --> 00:07:22,178 Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't hit him or anything, you know? 170 00:07:22,239 --> 00:07:24,981 I just told him how I felt and that I was onto him. 171 00:07:25,041 --> 00:07:26,111 And since? 172 00:07:26,176 --> 00:07:28,019 We avoided each other, you know? 173 00:07:28,078 --> 00:07:30,922 Just out of curiosity, where were you last night? 174 00:07:31,748 --> 00:07:33,853 I was at a poetry reading, Saint Mark's Church. 175 00:07:33,917 --> 00:07:35,328 (ED LAUGHING) 176 00:07:35,852 --> 00:07:37,229 Hey, it's on tape, fellows. 177 00:07:37,287 --> 00:07:39,358 You can check it out 'cause the show sent a camera crew. 178 00:07:39,422 --> 00:07:41,766 Yeah. Amber's video camera ever show up? 179 00:07:41,825 --> 00:07:44,431 No. You know, she was all mad at me, so I just let it drop. 180 00:07:44,494 --> 00:07:47,270 But, I'm telling you, these skaters are the ones who took it though. 181 00:07:47,330 --> 00:07:48,707 Mind if I go? 182 00:07:51,201 --> 00:07:52,646 Which one of you is Aaron? 183 00:07:52,702 --> 00:07:53,908 Who wants to know? 184 00:07:53,970 --> 00:07:55,506 Police department, tough guy. 185 00:07:55,572 --> 00:07:57,483 Come on, step away from your friend a minute. 186 00:07:57,541 --> 00:07:59,987 I'm watching for police brutality, you put a hand on him. 187 00:08:00,043 --> 00:08:01,454 Oh, you do that, ace. 188 00:08:01,511 --> 00:08:03,354 When's the last time you went to see Wes? 189 00:08:03,413 --> 00:08:04,517 Wes who died? 190 00:08:04,581 --> 00:08:06,185 Yeah. Wes who died. 191 00:08:06,550 --> 00:08:08,894 Man, I don't go around there with that lame-ass show. 192 00:08:08,952 --> 00:08:10,761 Never? Right. Never. 193 00:08:10,820 --> 00:08:14,393 A little Abner Louima action, guys? I don't think so. 194 00:08:14,457 --> 00:08:16,266 That's a nice camera. 195 00:08:17,494 --> 00:08:18,564 Hey! 196 00:08:18,995 --> 00:08:22,704 The girl's daddy recorded the serial number of the video camera, 197 00:08:22,766 --> 00:08:24,541 then he reported it stolen. 198 00:08:24,601 --> 00:08:26,308 Did Wes confront you about stealing it? 199 00:08:26,369 --> 00:08:27,712 No. 200 00:08:27,771 --> 00:08:31,583 So you and your little thieving pals come around, terrorizing everybody, huh? 201 00:08:31,641 --> 00:08:33,882 We were there because Wes invited us. 202 00:08:33,944 --> 00:08:35,480 And what about Monday? 203 00:08:35,545 --> 00:08:38,025 Did you receive an invitation on Monday? 204 00:08:38,081 --> 00:08:39,287 I should have a lawyer here. 205 00:08:39,349 --> 00:08:40,419 That's no problem, man. 206 00:08:40,483 --> 00:08:42,690 That's right. You get together with your lawyer 207 00:08:42,752 --> 00:08:45,460 and figure out where you want to say you were on Monday, 208 00:08:45,522 --> 00:08:46,899 then when we catch you lying, 209 00:08:46,957 --> 00:08:50,268 you're gonna be that much closer to going to prison for the rest of your life. 210 00:08:50,327 --> 00:08:51,897 I had nothing to do with this. 211 00:08:51,962 --> 00:08:54,966 That's cool, bro, you just better hope that a jury agrees with you. 212 00:08:55,031 --> 00:08:57,875 Look, man, I wasn't at the loft on Monday. 213 00:08:59,135 --> 00:09:00,910 Where were you? Tompkins Square. 214 00:09:00,971 --> 00:09:02,211 Doing what? 215 00:09:03,673 --> 00:09:06,051 Doing what, Aaron? Selling pot, man. 216 00:09:06,743 --> 00:09:08,086 How much did you make? 217 00:09:08,478 --> 00:09:09,513 About 300. 218 00:09:09,579 --> 00:09:11,081 Where's the money? 219 00:09:12,449 --> 00:09:13,621 (SIGHS) 220 00:09:14,217 --> 00:09:15,787 Spent about 80. 221 00:09:16,186 --> 00:09:17,460 Lennie. 222 00:09:18,755 --> 00:09:20,701 We got an admission that he took the video camera, 223 00:09:20,757 --> 00:09:23,135 but we also have a couple of witnesses that put him in the park 224 00:09:23,193 --> 00:09:24,194 at the time of the murder. 225 00:09:24,260 --> 00:09:26,206 If we can believe what he's telling us, 226 00:09:26,262 --> 00:09:27,900 Wes helped him steal the camera. 227 00:09:27,964 --> 00:09:29,443 Did anyone in the house know that? 228 00:09:29,499 --> 00:09:30,569 Nobody said so. 229 00:09:30,634 --> 00:09:31,669 They covering? 230 00:09:31,735 --> 00:09:32,907 Well, according to these producers, 231 00:09:32,969 --> 00:09:34,971 none of these kids had a propensity for violence. 232 00:09:35,038 --> 00:09:36,244 The things they complain about are 233 00:09:36,306 --> 00:09:39,185 more or less the little things that bother roommates. 234 00:09:41,878 --> 00:09:43,551 These are what they call "one-on-ones." 235 00:09:43,613 --> 00:09:46,059 The kids speak directly to the camera. 236 00:09:47,283 --> 00:09:50,730 WOMAN: How do you feel about Wes saying you have no talent as a musician? 237 00:09:50,787 --> 00:09:51,959 He said that? 238 00:09:52,222 --> 00:09:54,566 He said it stemmed from a lack of racial identity, 239 00:09:54,624 --> 00:09:57,434 that you were ashamed of having a white mother. 240 00:09:57,494 --> 00:09:58,871 That that's what prevented you from 241 00:09:58,928 --> 00:10:00,635 getting in touch with your talent. 242 00:10:00,997 --> 00:10:02,101 He dissed my mother? 243 00:10:02,165 --> 00:10:04,167 Now, where the hell does he get off doing that? 244 00:10:05,702 --> 00:10:07,113 PEREZ: Next. 245 00:10:07,537 --> 00:10:08,914 He said he slept with me? 246 00:10:08,972 --> 00:10:10,178 WOMAN: Wes said your ambition was 247 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,311 to be the girl all the boys in the audience wanted, 248 00:10:12,375 --> 00:10:14,218 and the most surefire way to accomplish that 249 00:10:14,277 --> 00:10:16,154 was to get something going with him. 250 00:10:16,212 --> 00:10:17,452 That son of a bitch! 251 00:10:18,715 --> 00:10:19,921 And... 252 00:10:20,583 --> 00:10:21,960 AMBER: He read my e-mail? 253 00:10:22,018 --> 00:10:24,862 WOMAN: He not only read it, he was posting it on the web. 254 00:10:24,921 --> 00:10:26,127 And your picture. 255 00:10:26,189 --> 00:10:27,566 Where? 256 00:10:27,624 --> 00:10:29,331 Pornographic chat rooms. 257 00:10:29,392 --> 00:10:30,928 I'll kill him. 258 00:10:32,495 --> 00:10:35,408 Now, that doesn't sound like little things to me. 259 00:10:39,736 --> 00:10:41,545 The last time we spoke 260 00:10:41,604 --> 00:10:44,414 you gave us the impression that everybody more or less got along. 261 00:10:44,474 --> 00:10:45,851 Everyone more or less does. 262 00:10:45,909 --> 00:10:48,082 That's not what it sounded like in those one-on-ones. 263 00:10:48,144 --> 00:10:50,556 Well, everyone gets along perfectly, you have a flat line. 264 00:10:50,613 --> 00:10:53,184 And if by chance they do happen to get along, 265 00:10:53,249 --> 00:10:54,956 you turn them against each other? 266 00:10:55,719 --> 00:10:58,700 Well, I'd prefer to call it stirring the pot. 267 00:10:58,755 --> 00:11:00,735 We take whatever conflicts are already under the surface 268 00:11:00,790 --> 00:11:01,962 and tweak 'em, that's all. 269 00:11:02,025 --> 00:11:04,869 Well, do you think this stirring the pot led to one of them going off the roof? 270 00:11:04,928 --> 00:11:05,963 Absolutely not. 271 00:11:06,029 --> 00:11:07,633 Well, we're gonna need to hear that from them. 272 00:11:07,697 --> 00:11:08,971 COREY: You already talked to them. 273 00:11:09,032 --> 00:11:11,308 That was when we thought everybody was being straight with us. 274 00:11:11,367 --> 00:11:12,641 No. You know what? 275 00:11:12,702 --> 00:11:15,649 I'm done giving you guys free reign to talk to my kids. 276 00:11:15,705 --> 00:11:17,776 I'm gonna be like a mother tiger with her cubs. 277 00:11:17,841 --> 00:11:20,947 Does that mean you're gonna actively interfere with the investigation 278 00:11:21,010 --> 00:11:22,580 instead of just misleading us? 279 00:11:22,645 --> 00:11:25,854 No. It means the kids are under strict instructions not to talk 280 00:11:25,915 --> 00:11:27,656 unless there's an attorney present. 281 00:11:27,717 --> 00:11:28,991 Oh, and don't try and scare me with 282 00:11:29,052 --> 00:11:31,362 what's gonna happen if I don't cooperate. 283 00:11:31,421 --> 00:11:34,459 I've been in network television for 18 years. 284 00:11:34,524 --> 00:11:36,060 I don't scare. 285 00:11:36,826 --> 00:11:39,705 ED: Kids are all lawyered up, producers aren't talking. 286 00:11:39,763 --> 00:11:40,901 Who do we go to next? 287 00:11:40,964 --> 00:11:42,807 How about the grunts who actually do the work? 288 00:11:42,866 --> 00:11:45,506 Don't you think there's a chance that mother tiger's already talked to them? 289 00:11:45,568 --> 00:11:47,013 Hey, they're at the bottom of the food chain. 290 00:11:47,070 --> 00:11:49,516 Chances are she's never talked to them. 291 00:11:50,206 --> 00:11:51,446 Producers know you're talking to me? 292 00:11:51,508 --> 00:11:53,078 Why? You have to clear everything with them? 293 00:11:53,143 --> 00:11:54,349 I do if I want to keep working. 294 00:11:54,410 --> 00:11:56,151 Nobody knows we're talking to you, man. 295 00:11:56,646 --> 00:11:58,091 Look, there's a kid dead. 296 00:11:58,148 --> 00:11:59,821 All we're asking is that you tell us anything 297 00:11:59,883 --> 00:12:01,863 about the cast that might help us. 298 00:12:02,218 --> 00:12:03,356 I'm just a driver. 299 00:12:03,419 --> 00:12:05,592 Hey, I hear the drivers know everything. 300 00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:08,233 I know where they get picked up, I know where they get dropped off. 301 00:12:08,291 --> 00:12:09,634 They give you a schedule? 302 00:12:09,692 --> 00:12:10,932 Once a week. 303 00:12:12,729 --> 00:12:15,209 Anyone asks, you didn't get it from me. 304 00:12:15,265 --> 00:12:18,678 Oh, hey, a stiff wind must've blown it out the window. 305 00:12:19,035 --> 00:12:20,241 Thanks. 306 00:12:22,705 --> 00:12:24,912 Well, after looking at all the tapes, 307 00:12:24,974 --> 00:12:27,477 we know everyone had something against Wes. 308 00:12:27,544 --> 00:12:29,490 Well, we may know something more than that. 309 00:12:29,546 --> 00:12:32,459 One of the drivers was a little bit more forthcoming than the Kaufmans. 310 00:12:32,515 --> 00:12:33,619 He gave us a shooting schedule. 311 00:12:33,683 --> 00:12:36,630 There's a camera operator, a sound man, a director, 312 00:12:36,686 --> 00:12:39,132 and a production assistant present at those tapings. 313 00:12:39,189 --> 00:12:41,328 And they have three different crews, so they can either alternate 314 00:12:41,391 --> 00:12:44,133 or they can have the cast at three different locations simultaneously. 315 00:12:44,194 --> 00:12:45,400 Well, how does that help us? 316 00:12:45,462 --> 00:12:48,306 Well, one of the camera operators that was working the night of the homicide, 317 00:12:48,364 --> 00:12:50,173 he hasn't been back to work since. 318 00:12:50,233 --> 00:12:52,679 Yeah, maybe he caught a cold up on that roof. 319 00:12:52,902 --> 00:12:55,439 Well, let's see how he's feeling now. 320 00:12:57,340 --> 00:12:58,717 Gavin isn't here. 321 00:12:58,775 --> 00:13:00,015 When'll he be back? 322 00:13:00,076 --> 00:13:01,521 Couple weeks. I'm not sure. 323 00:13:01,578 --> 00:13:03,023 What? He just picked up and left? 324 00:13:03,079 --> 00:13:04,524 He didn't pick up and leave. 325 00:13:04,581 --> 00:13:06,185 He's in Montreal working for the show. 326 00:13:06,249 --> 00:13:07,387 Montreal? Why? 327 00:13:07,450 --> 00:13:09,430 They always send the cast on some kind of trip, 328 00:13:09,486 --> 00:13:10,897 and Gavin's there scouting locations. 329 00:13:10,954 --> 00:13:12,524 Don't they have somebody to do that? 330 00:13:12,722 --> 00:13:15,794 Gavin's their best cameraman, it makes perfect sense they'd send him. 331 00:13:15,858 --> 00:13:17,860 Oh, perfect sense. The day after a homicide? 332 00:13:18,127 --> 00:13:19,572 What are you thinking, 333 00:13:19,996 --> 00:13:21,703 he had something to do with that kid's death? 334 00:13:21,764 --> 00:13:23,141 Either that or he knows something. 335 00:13:23,199 --> 00:13:24,303 CLAIR: You're wrong. ED: Clair. 336 00:13:24,367 --> 00:13:26,142 Gavin's been with the show since the beginning. 337 00:13:26,202 --> 00:13:28,182 It's a little appreciation for the work he's done. 338 00:13:28,238 --> 00:13:31,151 What you need to do is get on the phone and get your boyfriend here. 339 00:13:31,207 --> 00:13:32,447 BRISCOE: If you don't, we're gonna have to 340 00:13:32,508 --> 00:13:35,455 contact the Canadian authorities and have him arrested. 341 00:13:37,247 --> 00:13:38,817 This is so unfair. 342 00:13:43,086 --> 00:13:45,088 They're always looking for interesting places to shoot, 343 00:13:45,154 --> 00:13:46,360 interesting things for the cast to do. 344 00:13:46,422 --> 00:13:47,696 They sent me up there to set it up. 345 00:13:47,757 --> 00:13:50,169 How long you gonna stick with that story, Gavin? 346 00:13:50,226 --> 00:13:52,672 'Cause I'm just trying to plan my day here, you know? 347 00:13:52,729 --> 00:13:54,538 I don't appreciate your sarcasm, Detective. 348 00:13:54,597 --> 00:13:57,237 We don't appreciate your client not telling us what happened on that roof. 349 00:13:57,300 --> 00:13:58,643 GAVIN: I don't know what happened. 350 00:13:58,701 --> 00:14:00,977 Only it seems like you do know. 351 00:14:01,437 --> 00:14:04,782 Look, you're either the bad guy here, or you're a material witness 352 00:14:04,841 --> 00:14:06,479 obstructing a murder investigation. 353 00:14:06,542 --> 00:14:07,680 How do you figure that? 354 00:14:07,744 --> 00:14:10,418 Your client ran away from the scene of a homicide. 355 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,585 Didn't even bother to call 911. 356 00:14:12,649 --> 00:14:15,289 LAWYER: Which makes him guilty of absolutely nothing. 357 00:14:15,351 --> 00:14:17,991 The law neither obligates him to report a crime he's witnessed 358 00:14:18,054 --> 00:14:20,398 or to stick around to wait for the police to show up if he had. 359 00:14:20,456 --> 00:14:22,959 But whatever happened to being a good Samaritan? 360 00:14:24,394 --> 00:14:26,772 Victim of an overly litigious society, I'm afraid. 361 00:14:26,829 --> 00:14:28,934 ED: Yeah, well, we got another victim, a 20-year-old 362 00:14:28,998 --> 00:14:31,308 with a broken neck who could've used a hand. 363 00:14:31,868 --> 00:14:33,848 Gavin, you don't tell us what happened on that roof, 364 00:14:33,903 --> 00:14:35,678 I promise you, lawyer or no lawyer, 365 00:14:35,738 --> 00:14:37,718 I will make your situation very difficult. 366 00:14:37,774 --> 00:14:38,912 LAWYER: Is that a threat? Mmm-hmm. 367 00:14:38,975 --> 00:14:41,182 Oh, just consider it the rantings 368 00:14:41,244 --> 00:14:43,656 of an overly litigious detective. 369 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,084 We may not be able to charge your client, Counselor, 370 00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:49,357 but now that he's here, you and I both know 371 00:14:49,419 --> 00:14:52,559 the D.A.'s gonna be able to get a material witness order. 372 00:14:52,622 --> 00:14:54,363 ED: Oh, they hold you in jail for that. 373 00:14:54,424 --> 00:14:56,734 What does he mean, a "material witness order"? 374 00:14:57,961 --> 00:15:00,965 If the D.A. believes you possess material information about a crime, 375 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:04,273 he can ask the judge to detain you in order to compel your testimony. 376 00:15:05,134 --> 00:15:07,512 I thought you said that I didn't have to report anything. 377 00:15:07,570 --> 00:15:10,141 You didn't. Now they know about you. 378 00:15:10,206 --> 00:15:11,708 Sort of changes things a little. 379 00:15:11,774 --> 00:15:13,720 Law's a funny thing, huh, Gavin? 380 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,853 Look, what happened is this. 381 00:15:21,584 --> 00:15:24,360 I was up on the roof, and then the two of them came up 382 00:15:24,554 --> 00:15:25,965 and started going at it. 383 00:15:26,022 --> 00:15:27,365 The two of who? 384 00:15:27,890 --> 00:15:29,892 Wesley Tatum and Paul Wyler. 385 00:15:30,660 --> 00:15:32,037 Now Paul confronted Wes. 386 00:15:32,095 --> 00:15:33,438 ED: Confronted how? 387 00:15:34,330 --> 00:15:38,642 And then Wes slapped Paul, and things just got out of hand from there. 388 00:15:38,701 --> 00:15:41,272 The next thing I know, Wes is going over the side. 389 00:15:41,337 --> 00:15:44,011 BRISCOE: And you were doing what while all this was going on? 390 00:15:44,073 --> 00:15:45,245 I'm shooting tape. 391 00:15:45,475 --> 00:15:46,818 You got this on film? 392 00:15:46,876 --> 00:15:48,583 No. I don't. Well, who does? 393 00:15:48,845 --> 00:15:52,054 I gave it to post. To post-production. 394 00:15:53,249 --> 00:15:56,162 The cameraman turned the tape in to post-production that same night. 395 00:15:56,219 --> 00:15:57,254 Post-production? 396 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,856 It's like the editors. 397 00:15:58,921 --> 00:16:00,696 Well, how'd he wind up in Montreal? 398 00:16:00,757 --> 00:16:02,634 Hmm. A producer said that he needed a break. 399 00:16:03,192 --> 00:16:04,728 I bet they did. 400 00:16:04,794 --> 00:16:07,434 Carmichael's faxing over a warrant for the tape. 401 00:16:07,663 --> 00:16:10,803 Oh, I'm not waiting for a warrant. We have an eye-witness. 402 00:16:10,867 --> 00:16:12,869 You go pick up the kid, take Reina with you, 403 00:16:12,935 --> 00:16:15,279 and when the warrant gets here, go get the tape. 404 00:16:15,338 --> 00:16:16,942 What, all by myself? 405 00:16:18,341 --> 00:16:19,945 I'm not supposed to be talking with you guys. 406 00:16:20,009 --> 00:16:22,455 All right, let's dispense with the preliminaries. 407 00:16:22,512 --> 00:16:24,788 I got a search warrant here. If you don't cooperate, 408 00:16:24,847 --> 00:16:27,259 I'm gonna be forced to place you under arrest. 409 00:16:27,650 --> 00:16:29,459 You're gonna place me under arrest? 410 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:31,965 I make $7.30 an hour, 411 00:16:32,021 --> 00:16:33,796 I log video tapes for the editors, 412 00:16:33,856 --> 00:16:36,268 the producers don't even call me by my right name, 413 00:16:36,325 --> 00:16:38,362 and you're gonna place me under arrest? 414 00:16:38,428 --> 00:16:39,600 Justin, right? 415 00:16:39,896 --> 00:16:41,068 Right. Justin. 416 00:16:41,130 --> 00:16:42,302 All right, take it easy, Justin. 417 00:16:42,365 --> 00:16:44,242 All I want you to do is tell me whether or not 418 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:47,509 you logged in a tape the night of February 21st. 419 00:16:48,671 --> 00:16:50,742 February 21st. 420 00:16:51,574 --> 00:16:52,814 Right. 421 00:16:57,947 --> 00:16:59,984 Gavin delivered a tape. 422 00:17:00,049 --> 00:17:03,189 From the hand-held camera. I logged it in. 423 00:17:03,252 --> 00:17:06,096 Terrific. Now I'd like you to get it for me. 424 00:17:08,825 --> 00:17:12,204 Yeah, well, the Kaufmans said not to talk to you without a lawyer present. 425 00:17:12,261 --> 00:17:13,831 Yeah? Well, Paul Wyler's the one we're looking for. 426 00:17:13,896 --> 00:17:16,137 If he wants to have a lawyer present, it's his right. 427 00:17:16,199 --> 00:17:17,837 We don't know where Paul is. 428 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:20,107 That goes for the rest of you? 429 00:17:22,071 --> 00:17:23,709 Come on, guys, there was a fight on the roof. 430 00:17:23,773 --> 00:17:27,084 We don't know if Paul pushed Wes by accident, or if it was self-defense, 431 00:17:27,143 --> 00:17:29,749 but there's a whole bunch of ways that Paul can beat this. 432 00:17:29,812 --> 00:17:33,555 You're not helping him or yourselves by not telling us where he is. 433 00:17:34,951 --> 00:17:35,986 I know where he is. 434 00:17:36,052 --> 00:17:37,725 Amber! It's enough. 435 00:17:37,787 --> 00:17:39,289 The whole thing is enough. 436 00:17:40,056 --> 00:17:41,899 I have a phone number where I can reach him. 437 00:17:41,958 --> 00:17:44,131 ED: So, let's call him and arrange a meeting. 438 00:17:44,994 --> 00:17:46,667 There's no chance the tape's just lost? 439 00:17:46,729 --> 00:17:49,039 I had the guy turn the place upside down. 440 00:17:49,098 --> 00:17:50,771 The tape's not lost. It's missing. 441 00:17:50,833 --> 00:17:52,005 Somebody took it. 442 00:17:52,068 --> 00:17:54,241 Yeah. My money's on Fred and Ethel. 443 00:18:00,843 --> 00:18:02,413 Stay where you are. 444 00:18:03,546 --> 00:18:05,423 Get out of the car, Paul. 445 00:18:05,915 --> 00:18:07,656 Put your hands on top of the cab. 446 00:18:08,050 --> 00:18:09,757 How could you do this to me? 447 00:18:09,819 --> 00:18:11,162 I was trying to help you. 448 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:14,133 Oh, yeah? Yeah, you're doing a great job so far. 449 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:17,501 Paul Wyler, you're under arrest for the murder of Wesley Tatum. 450 00:18:21,297 --> 00:18:23,004 AARONSON: This was an accident. 451 00:18:23,065 --> 00:18:25,841 Then why didn't your client come forward right away? 452 00:18:26,769 --> 00:18:32,048 We have a cameraman who'll say your client pushed Wesley Tatum off that roof. 453 00:18:32,108 --> 00:18:34,816 That is a total misconstruing of what happened. 454 00:18:34,877 --> 00:18:36,652 CARMICHAEL: It's easy to say with the videotape missing. 455 00:18:36,712 --> 00:18:38,316 I've never seen any videotape, 456 00:18:38,381 --> 00:18:39,883 and I resent the implication. 457 00:18:39,949 --> 00:18:42,361 So you have no idea how it came to be missing? 458 00:18:42,418 --> 00:18:45,024 None. But that doesn't change the fact that it's missing. 459 00:18:45,088 --> 00:18:46,158 Meaning what? 460 00:18:46,222 --> 00:18:48,702 Meaning without it, you have a substantially weakened case. 461 00:18:49,425 --> 00:18:51,564 Even without the videotape, we have an eye-witness. 462 00:18:51,627 --> 00:18:53,072 With a camera in front of his face, 463 00:18:53,129 --> 00:18:55,006 paying attention to a hundred different things at once. 464 00:18:55,064 --> 00:18:56,737 CARMICHAEL: Who viewed the murder through a lens. 465 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:59,939 You keep mentioning lenses, I'll keep asking for the tape. 466 00:19:00,002 --> 00:19:03,779 You don't think I can punch holes in that, you are very much mistaken. 467 00:19:06,108 --> 00:19:08,952 She's right. If the jury hears there's a tape of the crime 468 00:19:09,011 --> 00:19:10,319 and we can't produce it... 469 00:19:10,379 --> 00:19:12,416 They'll wonder why. I wonder why. 470 00:19:13,216 --> 00:19:16,663 You know, it wouldn't be pretty if that tape showed up in the middle of the trial. 471 00:19:17,019 --> 00:19:18,521 Get an order to show cause. 472 00:19:18,588 --> 00:19:20,465 Start with the producers. 473 00:19:24,460 --> 00:19:27,600 As my responding papers indicate, Your Honor, neither myself, 474 00:19:27,663 --> 00:19:30,303 nor my clients are in possession of this videotape. 475 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,443 Your Honor, the People have provided the court 476 00:19:32,501 --> 00:19:34,811 with an affidavit from the editor of the show 477 00:19:34,871 --> 00:19:37,909 indicating there was a videotape made, that it was logged in, 478 00:19:37,974 --> 00:19:40,284 and that the only people who had the authority to remove that tape 479 00:19:40,343 --> 00:19:41,788 were the executive producers. 480 00:19:41,844 --> 00:19:45,189 How about it, Mr. Behrens? Did your clients remove the tape? 481 00:19:46,215 --> 00:19:49,458 Unfortunately, Your Honor, any response to the court's inquiry 482 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:52,227 would constitute a breach of the attorney-client privilege. 483 00:19:52,588 --> 00:19:54,033 Only if his answer is "yes." 484 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:56,764 Judge, assuming arguendo 485 00:19:56,826 --> 00:20:00,137 that my clients, in fact, came to my office with this videotape, 486 00:20:00,196 --> 00:20:02,767 professional ethics would have precluded me from turning it over. 487 00:20:03,266 --> 00:20:04,870 To do so might have incriminated them. 488 00:20:05,368 --> 00:20:06,574 What did you do with it? 489 00:20:08,004 --> 00:20:09,074 Hypothetically? 490 00:20:09,138 --> 00:20:12,085 Hypothetically, this is a homicide, Mr. Behrens. 491 00:20:12,141 --> 00:20:14,621 Hypothetically, somebody took that tape, 492 00:20:14,944 --> 00:20:17,686 and whoever it was better tell me what happened to it 493 00:20:17,747 --> 00:20:22,218 or where it is, otherwise, hypothetically somebody's going to jail. 494 00:20:23,486 --> 00:20:26,729 Judge, are you ordering me to disclose the location of this tape? 495 00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:28,496 Now you've got it, Counselor. 496 00:20:30,793 --> 00:20:32,500 Well, in that case, 497 00:20:32,561 --> 00:20:36,941 at this time I would like to direct the court's attention to in rem filing 498 00:20:36,999 --> 00:20:41,880 New York State Supreme Court index number 75936. 499 00:20:41,938 --> 00:20:43,315 What's the relevance of that? 500 00:20:43,873 --> 00:20:46,410 Well, the videotape's in the basement of this courthouse. 501 00:20:49,178 --> 00:20:50,452 (SIGHS) 502 00:20:51,614 --> 00:20:52,854 I'd like to know on what basis 503 00:20:52,915 --> 00:20:55,293 a potentially crucial piece of evidence was concealed? 504 00:20:55,351 --> 00:20:56,557 Nothing was concealed. 505 00:20:56,619 --> 00:21:00,328 I was merely safeguarding the confidentiality of a privileged communication 506 00:21:00,389 --> 00:21:03,302 by filing the videotape as an exhibit to an application 507 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,533 seeking direction from the court as to how not to engage 508 00:21:06,596 --> 00:21:07,904 in an obstruction of justice. 509 00:21:07,964 --> 00:21:10,672 Once again, in English, Mr. Behrens. 510 00:21:10,733 --> 00:21:13,737 Your Honor, uh, suppose your client comes into your office, 511 00:21:13,803 --> 00:21:15,180 drops a gun on your desk, and tells you 512 00:21:15,237 --> 00:21:16,875 he just used it to kill his wife. 513 00:21:16,939 --> 00:21:19,283 Now, the disciplinary rules governing attorneys 514 00:21:19,342 --> 00:21:22,346 would forbid me from turning that gun over to the police 515 00:21:22,411 --> 00:21:24,322 because to do so would incriminate my client. 516 00:21:24,547 --> 00:21:26,117 At the same time I, uh... 517 00:21:26,482 --> 00:21:28,086 I can't keep that gun in my office. 518 00:21:28,150 --> 00:21:30,255 So you filed the tape with the civil court? 519 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:31,320 Yes. 520 00:21:31,387 --> 00:21:33,765 It still constitutes concealment of material evidence. 521 00:21:33,823 --> 00:21:37,202 And we still don't know who it was who turned over the tape to Mr. Behrens. 522 00:21:37,460 --> 00:21:40,066 Judge, again, as I said before, 523 00:21:40,129 --> 00:21:42,871 I'm not at liberty to reveal that. Nor will I. 524 00:21:42,932 --> 00:21:46,880 Careful, Mr. Behrens. I don't like being told what counsel will and won't do. 525 00:21:47,303 --> 00:21:48,714 I apologize, Your Honor. 526 00:21:49,071 --> 00:21:50,880 Trouble is, Judge, I'm not really sure 527 00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:53,580 whose interests Mr. Behrens represents here. 528 00:21:54,210 --> 00:21:57,020 Which is a clever way for Mr. McCoy to access 529 00:21:57,079 --> 00:21:59,218 privileged information through a back door 530 00:21:59,281 --> 00:22:01,887 he wouldn't otherwise be entitled to through the front. 531 00:22:01,951 --> 00:22:05,660 Relax, Mr. Behrens. I'm not going to make you kiss and tell. 532 00:22:06,022 --> 00:22:10,095 However, I see no problem with the People now being able to view the videotape. 533 00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:12,469 Judge, since my client is the defendant in this case, 534 00:22:12,528 --> 00:22:15,099 I'd like the opportunity to prepare a motion to suppress. 535 00:22:15,164 --> 00:22:16,234 CARMICHAEL: On what grounds? 536 00:22:16,298 --> 00:22:18,608 Obviously it was someone from the show who removed the tape, 537 00:22:18,668 --> 00:22:20,545 which means there's no violation of the Fourth Amendment. 538 00:22:20,603 --> 00:22:23,743 I agree. There's been no search or seizure by the police. 539 00:22:23,806 --> 00:22:27,117 In any event, you'd have no standing to contest it even if there were. 540 00:22:27,176 --> 00:22:28,814 Now let's see what we're talking about here. 541 00:22:28,878 --> 00:22:31,085 Judge, then I object to the court viewing the tape 542 00:22:31,147 --> 00:22:33,252 before I've been given an opportunity to do so. 543 00:22:33,315 --> 00:22:36,228 Objection noted, Counselor, and overruled. 544 00:22:38,287 --> 00:22:41,894 Now if there are no other lawyers who have something to say, 545 00:22:42,324 --> 00:22:44,361 the court wants to see the tape. 546 00:22:48,164 --> 00:22:50,872 PAUL: Look, I just want to know, was it you that let Amber's cat out? 547 00:22:50,933 --> 00:22:52,674 What's it to you? Was it you? 548 00:22:52,735 --> 00:22:55,147 What are you, Amber's big, strong protector now? 549 00:22:55,204 --> 00:22:56,478 I want you out of the house 550 00:22:56,539 --> 00:22:59,281 Oh, really? Why? So you could tell Amber how big and brave you were? 551 00:22:59,341 --> 00:23:00,752 Oh, shut up. Shut up. Oh, maybe you'll get lucky. 552 00:23:00,810 --> 00:23:02,585 Shut your mouth, Wes. Hey, look. 553 00:23:02,645 --> 00:23:03,715 You want to get in Amber's pants, 554 00:23:03,779 --> 00:23:05,690 you gotta do a little more than just talk. Get off me, man. 555 00:23:05,748 --> 00:23:07,125 That the best you got? 556 00:23:07,183 --> 00:23:09,561 You're not gonna mess with me, man, okay? 557 00:23:09,618 --> 00:23:12,895 Let's see, was it me who let Amber's cat out? 558 00:23:12,955 --> 00:23:14,730 Yeah, I think it was. Oh, yeah? 559 00:23:15,391 --> 00:23:16,836 Let me go! 560 00:23:19,595 --> 00:23:21,006 (BOTH GRUNTING) 561 00:23:22,732 --> 00:23:24,006 (WES SCREAMING) 562 00:23:29,004 --> 00:23:30,483 Mr. McCoy. 563 00:23:31,841 --> 00:23:33,752 I think we're ready to talk about a plea. 564 00:23:33,809 --> 00:23:36,517 I'm not sure there's anything left to talk about, Ms. Aaronson. 565 00:23:36,579 --> 00:23:38,752 Trust me. There is. 566 00:23:40,516 --> 00:23:42,359 Dying declaration? 567 00:23:42,618 --> 00:23:44,427 Apparently, the fall didn't kill him. 568 00:23:44,487 --> 00:23:47,297 At least not before Paul Wyler spoke to him. 569 00:23:47,356 --> 00:23:48,562 What did he say? 570 00:23:48,624 --> 00:23:50,365 Wyler will testify that before he died, 571 00:23:50,426 --> 00:23:53,532 Wesley Tatum told him he'd been sent up on that roof to pick a fight. 572 00:23:54,263 --> 00:23:55,936 It was staged? 573 00:23:55,998 --> 00:23:58,535 Only no one told Paul Wyler about it. 574 00:23:58,868 --> 00:24:00,575 More dramatic if he didn't know. 575 00:24:02,438 --> 00:24:03,974 Then who did know? 576 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,151 Well, apparently they were smart enough not to put it in a production note. 577 00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:09,712 Production note? 578 00:24:10,346 --> 00:24:14,294 Yeah. It's how the producers know what's gonna happen from episode to episode. 579 00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:16,159 They take each kid, talk to them once a week, 580 00:24:16,218 --> 00:24:18,357 find out what their plans are outside the loft, 581 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:19,728 and then that helps them to decide 582 00:24:19,788 --> 00:24:21,825 which ones they're gonna follow with a camera crew. 583 00:24:23,192 --> 00:24:25,138 And the night of the fight? 584 00:24:26,829 --> 00:24:29,366 They taped Jeremy at a poetry reading. 585 00:24:29,899 --> 00:24:31,310 No mention of the roof. 586 00:24:31,834 --> 00:24:34,007 So how'd this cameraman know to be there? 587 00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:37,273 Everyone in the crew is listed in their production reports. 588 00:24:37,339 --> 00:24:39,182 Time in and time out. 589 00:24:39,708 --> 00:24:42,814 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m., 4:00 to 12:00, 12:00 to 8:00. 590 00:24:42,878 --> 00:24:44,551 That's eight-hour shifts. 591 00:24:45,514 --> 00:24:47,118 Everything after that, time and a half? 592 00:24:48,184 --> 00:24:51,961 Yeah. This cameraman on the roof worked 15 hours. 593 00:24:53,923 --> 00:24:56,426 I went up there because I thought I might grab something. 594 00:24:56,859 --> 00:24:59,032 The footage of an argument on the rooftop, 595 00:24:59,094 --> 00:25:01,267 the night sky, building lit up in the background. 596 00:25:01,330 --> 00:25:03,367 So no one told you to go up there beforehand? 597 00:25:03,432 --> 00:25:06,879 Gavin's got pretty good instincts for where to be. No one has to. 598 00:25:07,303 --> 00:25:09,544 We're asking if anyone did this time. 599 00:25:09,605 --> 00:25:11,983 Look, man, all I do is run a camera. 600 00:25:13,008 --> 00:25:15,079 You put in for seven hours of overtime 601 00:25:15,144 --> 00:25:17,886 in a company where no one ever puts in for any. 602 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,321 Are you gonna tell me that wasn't by pre-arrangement? 603 00:25:20,382 --> 00:25:22,089 You can't pre-arrange what happened. 604 00:25:22,151 --> 00:25:24,131 Are you really prepared to deal with the consequences 605 00:25:24,186 --> 00:25:26,188 of when we find out you're lying? 606 00:25:26,255 --> 00:25:27,325 I can't stand this. 607 00:25:27,389 --> 00:25:28,834 GAVIN: Clair, I gotta work. 608 00:25:28,891 --> 00:25:30,928 No. Not like this. 609 00:25:32,128 --> 00:25:35,200 The producers knew that something was gonna happen between them. 610 00:25:35,264 --> 00:25:37,642 They sent Gavin to get it on tape. Okay? 611 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,172 Done. 612 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,914 Amber, I was just... 613 00:25:45,975 --> 00:25:47,852 COREY: I don't know, why don't we just trim the headshot 614 00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:49,321 and go directly to the kitchen? 615 00:25:49,378 --> 00:25:51,585 Well, still we're gonna be long 40 seconds. 616 00:25:51,647 --> 00:25:53,024 That's a wrap. 617 00:25:53,883 --> 00:25:55,055 How did you get in here? 618 00:25:55,117 --> 00:25:56,152 With this. 619 00:25:56,218 --> 00:25:58,926 You're both under arrest for the murder of Wesley Tatum. 620 00:25:58,988 --> 00:26:01,195 You can't arrest us. We have a show to finish. 621 00:26:01,257 --> 00:26:03,396 Consider yourself canceled. 622 00:26:09,465 --> 00:26:11,308 We got your message, Mr. Kaufman, 623 00:26:11,367 --> 00:26:13,540 but you're both represented by counsel. 624 00:26:13,602 --> 00:26:16,242 If you have something to say to us, you need to go through Mr. Behrens. 625 00:26:16,305 --> 00:26:19,616 Behrens? His only interest is the network. 626 00:26:19,675 --> 00:26:21,211 He doesn't care what happens to us. 627 00:26:21,276 --> 00:26:23,222 Yeah. He came down to see us. 628 00:26:23,545 --> 00:26:25,388 To make sure we didn't talk to anyone. 629 00:26:25,447 --> 00:26:26,949 We fired his ass. 630 00:26:27,016 --> 00:26:28,893 What was Behrens afraid you'd say? 631 00:26:28,951 --> 00:26:30,328 First off, I want to be clear. 632 00:26:30,386 --> 00:26:32,423 We never set our people against each other. 633 00:26:32,488 --> 00:26:34,764 We watched those tapes. That's exactly what you did. 634 00:26:34,823 --> 00:26:38,293 Never like that. We knew our kids, Ms. Carmichael. 635 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,033 Wes and Paul were both volatile. 636 00:26:40,095 --> 00:26:42,871 It wasn't a situation we'd have allowed to happen. 637 00:26:43,032 --> 00:26:45,706 We're not responsible for sending those kids up to that roof. 638 00:26:45,834 --> 00:26:47,108 Who was? 639 00:26:48,537 --> 00:26:51,575 You have to understand, this was our first hit show. 640 00:26:51,874 --> 00:26:53,683 After almost 20 years. 641 00:26:53,742 --> 00:26:56,052 You pitch and you pitch, and then you go in 642 00:26:56,111 --> 00:26:58,557 and some kid with jelled hair says, 643 00:26:58,614 --> 00:27:00,525 "Sorry, we're going in a different direction." 644 00:27:00,582 --> 00:27:02,960 But not this time. This time they said "yes." 645 00:27:03,352 --> 00:27:05,059 Who? MELANIE: Byron Stark. 646 00:27:05,354 --> 00:27:09,063 He's the network vice president in charge of current programming. 647 00:27:09,692 --> 00:27:11,296 The kid with the hair gel. 648 00:27:11,727 --> 00:27:12,797 Hmm. 649 00:27:13,963 --> 00:27:17,934 According to the Kaufmans, Stark didn't trust them to get a real fight going. 650 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,276 So he stepped in and started it himself. 651 00:27:20,936 --> 00:27:22,313 Have you arranged to have him to come in? 652 00:27:22,371 --> 00:27:23,577 I don't want to do that. 653 00:27:23,972 --> 00:27:26,350 Well, he's a network vice president, Jack. 654 00:27:26,408 --> 00:27:28,945 Don't you think we should give him the opportunity to surrender? 655 00:27:29,011 --> 00:27:31,287 From the portrait the Kaufmans paint, 656 00:27:31,347 --> 00:27:34,590 I doubt very seriously if this man even believes he can be asked to surrender. 657 00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:36,527 I don't want to give him the chance to destroy evidence 658 00:27:36,585 --> 00:27:38,326 when he discovers he's mistaken. 659 00:27:38,954 --> 00:27:40,399 Pick him up. 660 00:27:44,026 --> 00:27:45,471 BRISCOE: Byron Stark? Yeah? 661 00:27:45,527 --> 00:27:46,767 I told them to wait outside. 662 00:27:46,829 --> 00:27:48,934 New York City Police Department, Mr. Stark. 663 00:27:48,998 --> 00:27:50,272 We need you to take a ride with us. 664 00:27:50,332 --> 00:27:51,936 That's funny. (CHUCKLES) I beg your pardon. 665 00:27:52,001 --> 00:27:54,641 No, that's good. That's a great bit. Who sent you over here? 666 00:27:54,703 --> 00:27:56,011 Is this Brillstein put you up to this? 667 00:27:56,071 --> 00:27:57,914 This ain't a joke, sir. We need you to come with us. 668 00:27:57,973 --> 00:27:59,111 Maybe we should come back later. 669 00:27:59,174 --> 00:28:01,620 Stay where you are. You guys are both terrific. 670 00:28:01,677 --> 00:28:04,123 You should leave your head shots and resumes with my assistant outside. 671 00:28:04,179 --> 00:28:05,658 Cuff him. What? Are you kidding me? 672 00:28:05,714 --> 00:28:07,284 No, we're placing you under arrest. 673 00:28:07,349 --> 00:28:08,851 All right, now I'm getting mad. 674 00:28:08,917 --> 00:28:11,329 Call Brillstein. Tell him this went way beyond funny, 675 00:28:11,387 --> 00:28:13,924 and then stay by the phone so when these idiots drop me off, 676 00:28:13,989 --> 00:28:15,696 you can have a car sent to pick me up. 677 00:28:15,758 --> 00:28:17,362 Where are you taking him? 678 00:28:17,726 --> 00:28:21,003 You can't be serious about charging a network vice president? 679 00:28:21,063 --> 00:28:23,009 Do we look as if we aren't serious? 680 00:28:23,265 --> 00:28:27,645 Don't you people understand entertainment? Wes was playacting. 681 00:28:27,703 --> 00:28:29,876 You forgot to tell that to Paul Wyler. 682 00:28:29,938 --> 00:28:32,179 It's a reality show. Understand? 683 00:28:32,508 --> 00:28:34,613 If Wyler had been told that it was fake, 684 00:28:34,676 --> 00:28:36,622 his reactions wouldn't have been real. 685 00:28:37,246 --> 00:28:41,251 So you pit one kid against another in order to get better TV ratings 686 00:28:41,316 --> 00:28:43,023 and to hell with their well-being. 687 00:28:43,085 --> 00:28:46,464 These kids want to be on the show. They beg to be on it. 688 00:28:46,788 --> 00:28:48,768 And millions of Americans watch. 689 00:28:48,824 --> 00:28:50,462 How badly could I be treating them? 690 00:28:50,526 --> 00:28:52,335 JACK: Let me give you a quick sketch of what 691 00:28:52,394 --> 00:28:55,170 a manslaughter case might look like, Mr. Stark. 692 00:28:55,230 --> 00:28:58,609 Someone incites someone else, over whom they have authority 693 00:28:58,667 --> 00:29:01,648 or influence, to commit an act of violence. 694 00:29:02,037 --> 00:29:03,880 They arrange for the violence to occur. 695 00:29:03,939 --> 00:29:06,886 It does, in fact, occur, and leads to someone's death. 696 00:29:07,843 --> 00:29:09,220 I didn't intend any harm. 697 00:29:09,511 --> 00:29:11,616 Your actual intent is irrelevant. 698 00:29:12,281 --> 00:29:15,353 So, suddenly a television show's responsible when some kid goes nuts? 699 00:29:15,417 --> 00:29:17,658 Not a television show, Mr. Stark. You. 700 00:29:17,753 --> 00:29:19,790 Who's after ratings now, McCoy? 701 00:29:27,462 --> 00:29:29,908 JACK: What was your relationship with Wesley Tatum? 702 00:29:29,965 --> 00:29:33,845 Wes would go out of his way to provoke people as a way of getting attention. 703 00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:38,746 Did one such provocation occur sometime before the night of February 21st? 704 00:29:38,807 --> 00:29:40,115 Yes, sir. 705 00:29:40,509 --> 00:29:42,318 Would you tell the court what that was? 706 00:29:42,377 --> 00:29:44,482 Amber, one of the girls in the loft, 707 00:29:44,546 --> 00:29:48,756 had a cat she was very attached to. The cat disappeared. 708 00:29:49,351 --> 00:29:51,490 Amber told me that Wes left her with the impression 709 00:29:51,553 --> 00:29:53,760 that he deliberately let the cat outside. 710 00:29:54,123 --> 00:29:55,466 Did you say something to him? 711 00:29:55,524 --> 00:29:57,231 I told him I wanted to talk to him. 712 00:29:57,292 --> 00:29:58,703 What was his response? 713 00:29:59,094 --> 00:30:01,165 He suggested that we go up on the roof. 714 00:30:01,230 --> 00:30:03,403 And what happened when you got to the roof? 715 00:30:04,132 --> 00:30:06,134 He admitted about the cat, 716 00:30:06,201 --> 00:30:08,977 he taunted me, and then he slapped me. 717 00:30:09,304 --> 00:30:10,476 And what did you do? 718 00:30:10,539 --> 00:30:11,574 I lost it. 719 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,746 I mean, uh, he said something about Amber, and I just snapped. 720 00:30:15,144 --> 00:30:17,385 We started fighting. 721 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,459 Uh, then somehow I wound up pushing him over the side. 722 00:30:23,652 --> 00:30:27,293 Would you tell the court what you did following that? 723 00:30:27,756 --> 00:30:29,997 When I got to him, he was lying there, 724 00:30:31,059 --> 00:30:33,471 his eyes looking right up at me. 725 00:30:33,962 --> 00:30:35,839 I could see he wanted to tell me something, 726 00:30:35,898 --> 00:30:38,037 so I leaned down and... Objection. 727 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,545 Dying declaration, Your Honor. 728 00:30:39,601 --> 00:30:42,207 Which must be made by a person contemplating their own death. 729 00:30:42,271 --> 00:30:44,251 There's no evidence Mr. Tatum believed he was dying 730 00:30:44,306 --> 00:30:45,614 at the time he made the statement. 731 00:30:45,674 --> 00:30:48,314 He'd just been pushed off a rooftop, Mr. Behrens. 732 00:30:48,377 --> 00:30:51,654 I'd think that qualifies. Your objection's overruled. 733 00:30:53,615 --> 00:30:57,085 What, if anything, did Wesley Tatum say to you? 734 00:30:59,154 --> 00:31:00,531 He, uh... 735 00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:04,266 He just looked at me. 736 00:31:05,093 --> 00:31:06,504 It was, uh... 737 00:31:07,429 --> 00:31:10,000 It was hard for him to speak. 738 00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:16,377 He said, "What'd you do that for, man? 739 00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:19,578 "Didn't you talk to 'em?" 740 00:31:21,109 --> 00:31:23,316 And I just looked at him. 741 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,518 Then he said, 742 00:31:27,849 --> 00:31:29,385 "It was an act." 743 00:31:29,451 --> 00:31:31,453 Did you ask him what he meant by that? 744 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,726 Yeah. 745 00:31:33,021 --> 00:31:34,398 What did he say? 746 00:31:36,325 --> 00:31:37,895 Nothing. He died. 747 00:31:41,230 --> 00:31:43,005 I have no further questions. 748 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:50,550 Did you ever meet Mr. Stark before? 749 00:31:50,606 --> 00:31:53,917 PAUL: Once, at one of those network press things kicking off the new season. 750 00:31:54,276 --> 00:31:56,347 I think he was at my casting session. 751 00:31:56,411 --> 00:31:58,220 But did you know him to be involved 752 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,123 in the day-to-day production of the show? 753 00:32:00,382 --> 00:32:01,452 No. 754 00:32:01,516 --> 00:32:03,996 He ever give you any directions as to how to behave? 755 00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:05,156 No. 756 00:32:05,454 --> 00:32:07,365 He tell you to go up on the roof with Wes? 757 00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:09,660 No. 758 00:32:09,725 --> 00:32:12,399 Did he tell you to physically assault Wesley Tatum? 759 00:32:15,897 --> 00:32:17,103 No. 760 00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:19,807 No further questions. 761 00:32:23,171 --> 00:32:26,084 What was the role of the defendant in the production of Deal With It? 762 00:32:26,141 --> 00:32:28,553 He championed the show when we first got going. 763 00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:32,114 When the show took off, he thought of it as his. 764 00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:35,259 How frequently did he talk to you about it? 765 00:32:35,717 --> 00:32:37,060 Every day. 766 00:32:38,186 --> 00:32:41,565 Did he ever talk to people on the show other than yourself? 767 00:32:41,623 --> 00:32:44,502 All the time. He talked to directors, he talked to cast members, 768 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,836 he'd show up when we were taping the one-on-ones. 769 00:32:46,895 --> 00:32:49,171 JACK: How about casting? Was he part of that process? 770 00:32:49,231 --> 00:32:50,676 MELANIE: Bryon had the final word. 771 00:32:50,732 --> 00:32:53,975 The final word? Then there was disagreement? 772 00:32:55,237 --> 00:32:57,547 I didn't want Paul Wyler or Wes Tatum. 773 00:32:57,739 --> 00:32:58,809 Why not? 774 00:32:58,874 --> 00:33:00,581 Wes just wasn't a team player. 775 00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:03,219 Conflict is one thing. 776 00:33:03,278 --> 00:33:06,782 Perpetual obnoxiousness, that's an entirely different matter. 777 00:33:07,015 --> 00:33:08,426 JACK: And Paul Wyler? 778 00:33:08,483 --> 00:33:11,487 He had a very questionable psychological profile. 779 00:33:12,187 --> 00:33:14,793 Corey and I just didn't think Paul could handle the stress. 780 00:33:14,856 --> 00:33:16,767 But the defendant thought he could? 781 00:33:17,426 --> 00:33:20,373 Oh, Byron Stark thought that would make good television. 782 00:33:20,429 --> 00:33:21,999 Especially if Paul couldn't handle it. 783 00:33:22,064 --> 00:33:23,941 Objection. Sustained. 784 00:33:24,166 --> 00:33:25,702 Jury will disregard. 785 00:33:27,336 --> 00:33:30,408 Did the defendant ever conduct an off-camera interview 786 00:33:30,472 --> 00:33:32,042 with any member of the cast? 787 00:33:32,174 --> 00:33:34,120 On one occasion. With Wes Tatum. 788 00:33:34,176 --> 00:33:35,382 Present at the time? 789 00:33:35,444 --> 00:33:36,582 Yes. 790 00:33:36,645 --> 00:33:41,151 Would you tell the court what you heard the defendant say to Mr. Tatum? 791 00:33:41,216 --> 00:33:44,789 He told him the show needed fireworks going into sweeps. 792 00:33:44,853 --> 00:33:46,730 He told Wes he was our "go-to guy," 793 00:33:46,788 --> 00:33:48,461 that was the expression he used, 794 00:33:48,523 --> 00:33:52,471 and he wanted Wes to get something going physically with one of the cast members. 795 00:33:52,527 --> 00:33:54,302 Did he specify with whom? 796 00:33:54,363 --> 00:33:57,139 He went through a list of possible altercations. 797 00:33:57,299 --> 00:33:59,245 Was Paul Wyler among them? 798 00:34:01,203 --> 00:34:04,184 That was Byron's first choice. 799 00:34:05,574 --> 00:34:06,985 JACK: Nothing further. 800 00:34:08,377 --> 00:34:11,847 What else was on the list of possible altercations? 801 00:34:11,913 --> 00:34:16,362 MELANIE: Walking in on Amber while she was getting dressed and refusing to leave. 802 00:34:16,618 --> 00:34:18,757 Hiding Rocky's insulin. 803 00:34:19,387 --> 00:34:24,530 Telling Jeremy he questioned the historical accuracy of the Holocaust. 804 00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:26,734 Did he do any of those things? 805 00:34:26,795 --> 00:34:28,103 No. 806 00:34:28,664 --> 00:34:33,477 Are you aware of Byron Stark telling Paul Wyler to push Mr. Tatum off a roof? 807 00:34:34,136 --> 00:34:35,171 No. 808 00:34:35,237 --> 00:34:38,116 Are you aware of Byron Stark telling Paul Wyler anything at all? 809 00:34:39,708 --> 00:34:40,914 No. I'm not. 810 00:34:42,010 --> 00:34:43,421 No further questions. 811 00:34:47,849 --> 00:34:50,762 I've worked in network television since I was 22. 812 00:34:51,419 --> 00:34:53,490 It's a very competitive business, 813 00:34:53,555 --> 00:34:55,796 and I want to win as much as anyone. 814 00:34:56,458 --> 00:35:00,429 Would I have someone physically hurt or placed in real jeopardy? 815 00:35:00,962 --> 00:35:02,305 Not for anything. 816 00:35:03,131 --> 00:35:06,476 You did have a conversation with Wesley Tatum, did you not? 817 00:35:06,535 --> 00:35:08,572 Yes, I did. What'd you say to him? 818 00:35:08,637 --> 00:35:09,945 I wanted to know how he felt about 819 00:35:10,005 --> 00:35:12,645 being the quote-unquote "bad boy" of the household. 820 00:35:12,975 --> 00:35:14,113 How did he feel? 821 00:35:14,176 --> 00:35:16,156 I think Wes had a sense of humor about it. 822 00:35:16,211 --> 00:35:19,021 He knew that as much as it was a reality based show, 823 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,493 it was reality manipulated to make for good storytelling. 824 00:35:22,551 --> 00:35:26,226 Did you suggest to Wesley Tatum that he instigate a fight with Paul Wyler? 825 00:35:26,888 --> 00:35:28,196 No. I did not. 826 00:35:28,256 --> 00:35:31,237 BEHRENS: Did you suggest to Wesley Tatum that a fight take place on the roof? 827 00:35:31,593 --> 00:35:32,663 No. 828 00:35:32,728 --> 00:35:34,503 Well, what did you suggest to Mr. Tatum? 829 00:35:34,563 --> 00:35:36,702 That provided he was comfortable with it, 830 00:35:36,765 --> 00:35:40,178 the petty squabbles, the interpersonal conflicts, 831 00:35:40,235 --> 00:35:42,715 "Who ate all the cookies and didn't say anything?" 832 00:35:42,771 --> 00:35:44,148 could make for good television. 833 00:35:44,206 --> 00:35:47,153 Did you have any indication that this suggestion 834 00:35:47,209 --> 00:35:50,486 would lead to physical violence and ultimately to Mr. Tatum's death? 835 00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:52,923 None whatsoever. 836 00:35:54,383 --> 00:35:55,657 Nothing further. 837 00:35:56,485 --> 00:35:59,523 No indication your suggestion could lead to violence? 838 00:35:59,588 --> 00:36:01,033 BYRON: That's right. 839 00:36:01,089 --> 00:36:04,969 Had you read the psychological profiles of either one of these kids? 840 00:36:05,026 --> 00:36:06,130 No. I did not. 841 00:36:06,194 --> 00:36:10,199 But the executive producers objected to this suggestion, did they not? 842 00:36:10,832 --> 00:36:13,836 Melanie and Corey wanted to proceed more cautiously, 843 00:36:13,902 --> 00:36:16,143 but in the end they were on board with my decision. 844 00:36:16,204 --> 00:36:17,649 So it was your decision? 845 00:36:17,706 --> 00:36:18,844 Yes. 846 00:36:18,907 --> 00:36:20,477 What are sweeps, Mr. Stark? 847 00:36:20,742 --> 00:36:23,621 November, February, and May, that's when ad rates are set based on ratings. 848 00:36:23,678 --> 00:36:25,521 What affect does this have on programming? 849 00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:26,957 You try to put your best foot forward, 850 00:36:27,015 --> 00:36:30,428 event programming, special episodes of current series. 851 00:36:30,485 --> 00:36:32,795 You try to schedule the most promotable shows you can. 852 00:36:32,854 --> 00:36:34,231 That's not just me, that's everybody. 853 00:36:34,289 --> 00:36:37,429 When did your conversation with Wesley Tatum take place? 854 00:36:39,194 --> 00:36:40,605 I'm really not sure. 855 00:36:43,198 --> 00:36:46,736 Ask that the day-planner for Byron Stark 856 00:36:46,802 --> 00:36:49,908 be introduced into evidence as People's Exhibit 19. 857 00:36:49,971 --> 00:36:50,972 JUDGE: So ordered. 858 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:55,317 Reading from the day planner. "Meeting with Wesley Tatum, December 17th." 859 00:36:56,311 --> 00:36:57,312 Okay. 860 00:36:57,379 --> 00:37:00,326 December is when you plan for February sweeps, is it not? 861 00:37:00,382 --> 00:37:01,861 I suppose so. 862 00:37:01,917 --> 00:37:04,557 And was the altercation between Paul Wyler 863 00:37:04,619 --> 00:37:06,530 and Wesley Tatum part of that plan? 864 00:37:07,489 --> 00:37:09,491 Absolutely not. 865 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,971 Ask that this memorandum be introduced into evidence as People's Exhibit 20. 866 00:37:17,466 --> 00:37:18,570 So ordered. 867 00:37:18,633 --> 00:37:21,637 This memorandum says that it was issued by your office, 868 00:37:21,703 --> 00:37:23,205 does It not, Mr. Stark? 869 00:37:23,271 --> 00:37:25,080 Yes. Read us the title. 870 00:37:28,276 --> 00:37:30,620 "Sweeps Dreams." Read us the entire title. 871 00:37:34,783 --> 00:37:37,593 "Sweeps Dreams, Cleaning the Competition's Clock." 872 00:37:37,652 --> 00:37:40,599 Under "Proposed Programming for Sweeps Dreams," 873 00:37:40,655 --> 00:37:42,999 what's listed for the show Deal With It? 874 00:37:45,493 --> 00:37:47,029 "Wes takes on the world." 875 00:37:48,330 --> 00:37:51,607 It does not say, however, "Wes has a fight on a rooftop." 876 00:37:51,666 --> 00:37:53,111 It doesn't say, "Wes dies." 877 00:37:53,168 --> 00:37:54,511 But he did die, didn't he, Mr. Stark? 878 00:37:54,569 --> 00:37:55,775 BEHRENS: Objection. 879 00:37:55,837 --> 00:37:57,748 Withdrawn. Nothing further. 880 00:38:03,478 --> 00:38:06,618 I don't think that's what we're talking about. 881 00:38:07,649 --> 00:38:09,322 I do understand what you're saying. 882 00:38:10,085 --> 00:38:12,861 Yes. Yes. Thank you. 883 00:38:14,055 --> 00:38:18,435 Fifth call from Hollywood. Everybody's very concerned about the First Amendment. 884 00:38:18,493 --> 00:38:20,166 More like their fall season. 885 00:38:21,229 --> 00:38:23,072 Is it possible Stark was just talking? 886 00:38:23,665 --> 00:38:25,508 He knew that talking to Wesley Tatum, 887 00:38:25,567 --> 00:38:28,241 there was a better than 50-50 chance he'd be taken seriously. 888 00:38:28,303 --> 00:38:30,078 I'm just not sure a jury's going to send 889 00:38:30,138 --> 00:38:33,517 this clean-cut young executive to prison on the basis of 890 00:38:33,575 --> 00:38:35,077 something he might've said casually. 891 00:38:35,143 --> 00:38:36,349 Do they ever do that? 892 00:38:36,411 --> 00:38:37,481 Do what? 893 00:38:37,546 --> 00:38:39,219 Well, say things casually. 894 00:38:39,981 --> 00:38:43,292 Whether it's missing children or triumph over illness 895 00:38:43,351 --> 00:38:45,888 or 20-year-olds hanging out at coffee houses, 896 00:38:45,954 --> 00:38:49,094 it just seems they adhere to trends in a pretty calculated manner. 897 00:38:49,224 --> 00:38:52,933 Melanie Kaufman testified there was a list of possible altercations. 898 00:38:54,095 --> 00:38:55,768 He had research done. 899 00:39:00,769 --> 00:39:03,545 JACK: What is a media consultant, Mr. Cardorette? 900 00:39:03,672 --> 00:39:07,677 I run focus groups, interpret data, and advise networks on programming. 901 00:39:07,742 --> 00:39:10,450 Did you ever have occasion to advise the defendant? 902 00:39:10,512 --> 00:39:11,752 Yes. 903 00:39:11,813 --> 00:39:14,987 Would you tell the court what it was you advised him to do? 904 00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:19,692 I said his demographics were skewing too far over to females 13-to-25. 905 00:39:19,754 --> 00:39:22,633 I said the network needed to address an erosion among males 906 00:39:22,691 --> 00:39:25,194 the same age group, and also to broaden their reach 907 00:39:25,260 --> 00:39:27,900 by not conceding the 26-to-49-year-olds. 908 00:39:27,962 --> 00:39:30,943 How, if at all, did that apply to the show Deal With It? 909 00:39:30,999 --> 00:39:33,502 Well, the show had, and has, 910 00:39:33,568 --> 00:39:36,447 an enormous untapped potential, in my opinion. 911 00:39:36,504 --> 00:39:38,916 Since they change casts and venues every three months, 912 00:39:38,973 --> 00:39:40,975 I provided input on how they could help themselves 913 00:39:41,042 --> 00:39:42,680 by who they cast and where they shoot. 914 00:39:42,744 --> 00:39:46,886 Also, in the kind of events our focus groups told us an audience wanted to see. 915 00:39:46,948 --> 00:39:48,791 And what kinds of events were they? 916 00:39:49,184 --> 00:39:53,098 The data showed that the target audience for this show wants conflict. 917 00:39:53,154 --> 00:39:56,260 Someone to root for. Someone to root against. 918 00:39:56,324 --> 00:39:58,361 And an escalating conflict between them. 919 00:39:58,426 --> 00:40:01,464 And did you convey these results to Mr. Stark? 920 00:40:02,363 --> 00:40:03,899 Yes, I did. 921 00:40:06,434 --> 00:40:07,845 I have no further questions. 922 00:40:10,438 --> 00:40:13,817 Is Deaf With It the only show of the defendant's on which you do research? 923 00:40:14,075 --> 00:40:16,749 No. I do research on all his shows. 924 00:40:17,212 --> 00:40:21,217 And have you advised him that conflict needed to be heightened on other shows? 925 00:40:21,282 --> 00:40:22,317 Objection. Irrelevant. 926 00:40:22,384 --> 00:40:25,331 Goes directly to the prosecution's theory of causality, Your Honor. 927 00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:27,128 I'll allow it. 928 00:40:27,188 --> 00:40:28,326 Mr. Cardorette? 929 00:40:28,757 --> 00:40:31,260 It's quite common for a focus group to come back with 930 00:40:31,326 --> 00:40:33,499 a stated preference for heightened conflict. 931 00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:37,304 Did you advise Mr. Stark of that on other shows? 932 00:40:38,933 --> 00:40:40,071 Yes. 933 00:40:40,135 --> 00:40:41,170 To the best of your knowledge, 934 00:40:41,236 --> 00:40:44,012 was anybody ever killed or injured as a result? 935 00:40:44,072 --> 00:40:46,245 To the best of my knowledge, no. 936 00:40:47,509 --> 00:40:48,749 Nothing further. 937 00:40:49,911 --> 00:40:51,857 Re-direct, Your Honor. Proceed. 938 00:40:52,113 --> 00:40:54,593 Mr. Cardorette, did the defendant 939 00:40:54,649 --> 00:40:57,858 ever ask you to conduct specific research 940 00:40:57,919 --> 00:41:00,490 as to any members of the cast of Deal With It? 941 00:41:00,555 --> 00:41:02,262 Yes. What did that entail? 942 00:41:02,857 --> 00:41:04,894 I was given a list of varying preferences, 943 00:41:04,959 --> 00:41:08,236 for example, least objectionable character, 944 00:41:08,296 --> 00:41:10,742 character most desirable to go away with for the weekend, 945 00:41:10,799 --> 00:41:11,903 things of that nature. 946 00:41:11,966 --> 00:41:13,104 What about the 947 00:41:13,168 --> 00:41:17,116 character the death of whom would be most cause for celebration? 948 00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:19,313 Yes. 949 00:41:19,707 --> 00:41:23,382 Was that the exact name of the category given to you by the defendant? 950 00:41:27,916 --> 00:41:31,728 Yes, but I don't think it was intended to be taken literally. 951 00:41:31,786 --> 00:41:34,027 It's simply dramatic license. 952 00:41:36,624 --> 00:41:38,194 Dramatic license. 953 00:41:39,194 --> 00:41:40,673 Tell us, Mr. Cardorette, 954 00:41:40,728 --> 00:41:43,265 who was it on the show the audience wanted to see dead? 955 00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:50,606 Wesley Tatum. Hands down. 956 00:41:51,973 --> 00:41:53,350 JACK: Nothing further. 957 00:41:57,579 --> 00:41:59,320 What are you looking for, McCoy? 958 00:42:00,215 --> 00:42:01,751 Man two. 959 00:42:06,187 --> 00:42:07,461 How much time? 960 00:42:08,022 --> 00:42:09,126 Two-to-six. 961 00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:11,067 I've never gotten so much as a speeding ticket. 962 00:42:11,125 --> 00:42:13,071 He is the vice president of a network. 963 00:42:13,128 --> 00:42:16,337 Who set in motion events that led to someone's death. 964 00:42:17,232 --> 00:42:18,734 Shouldn't make me responsible. 965 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,179 Which is a position you're certainly free to go to the jury with. 966 00:42:22,237 --> 00:42:24,877 They'll decide whether or not you're responsible. 967 00:42:24,939 --> 00:42:28,978 I'm not sure that being a network vice president is gonna help you there. 968 00:42:35,116 --> 00:42:36,857 Take the offer, Byron. 969 00:42:49,330 --> 00:42:51,332 Was it me who let Amber's cat out? 970 00:42:51,966 --> 00:42:53,877 Yeah, I think it was me. Oh, yeah? 971 00:42:54,569 --> 00:42:55,673 Let me go! 972 00:42:58,740 --> 00:43:00,185 (BOTH GRUNTING) 973 00:43:01,743 --> 00:43:03,222 (WES SCREAMING) 974 00:43:06,114 --> 00:43:07,684 Pretty horrifying. 975 00:43:08,883 --> 00:43:12,126 And the news organizations can't wait to get their hands on it. 976 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,794 I already have their subpoena. 977 00:43:14,255 --> 00:43:15,461 You think they'll air it? 978 00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:17,663 It's reality television. 979 00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:19,227 Truth is, when Stark gets out of prison, 980 00:43:19,294 --> 00:43:21,797 they'll probably make him a network president. 981 00:43:21,847 --> 00:43:26,397 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 78534

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