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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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He's 27 years old, Lorraine.
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Why would he even want
to move back in with us?
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Evan, he lost his job
He needs us.
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He can't hold down a job because
he thinks he's God Almighty.
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Oh, Evan.
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Good Lord!
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LORRAINE: Oh, my God.
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I know his name's Bradford,
I know he lives on seven,
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and I know he has a baby.
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What about his wife?
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He lives with another man.
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They're a couple.
You know.
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Gay couple?
Exactly.
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What've ya got?
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Well, there's no sign of bullet
wounds, no sign of stab wounds.
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From the bruises, it looks
like he got beaten to death.
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Hey, what happened?
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BRISCOE: Come here.
Let him through.
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Who are you?
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Deliver seltzer
to the building.
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People still order that stuff?
Oh, yeah.
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How long you been there?
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About five minutes.
Why?
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You know this guy?
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Nope. Not a
customer of mine.
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Detective, something you
need to see over here.
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Ed.
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Get CSU down here.
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Still warm.
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Let's hope the kid is.
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BRISCOE:
What kind of seizures?
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Birth mother was a drug addict.
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Dylan has neurological
problems.
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That's why they
allowed us to adopt him.
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He's on medication. If he
doesn't get it, he could...
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It could be really bad.
You've gotta find him.
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How old is Dylan?
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A year and a half. He'll
be two in the summer.
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And when was the last time you
saw Brad and the baby together?
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This morning, when I
left for the office.
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How did you and
Brad come to get a baby?
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We started out
as foster parents.
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And then when the birth mother
put him up for adoption,
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we adopted him.
I adopted him.
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Why just you?
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Agencies aren't generally
too thrilled about
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letting gay couples adopt.
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Just to get this
out of the way Mr. Albers.
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Uh, where were you
this afternoon.
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I was in my office
until about noon.
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And then I had a meeting
at the Conde Nast Building
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until about 4:00, and that's
where I was when I got the call.
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Can you think of anybody
we should be talking to?
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Anybody we know
who might have done this?
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BRISCOE: Anybody who
might have done it.
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Anybody who might
know who did it.
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I can't imagine anyone.
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Who would kill Brad?
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Who would take our little boy?
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I'd say Albers isn't a suspect.
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And from what he tells us,
it isn't anybody they know.
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All indications are it's
a kidnapping for ransom.
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Well, we have
a trap on the phone.
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There's one more thing.
From what Albers said,
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this baby is prone to seizures.
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Now, I wouldn't count on whoever
took him knowing what to do.
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It's already been one day.
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Yeah? The neighbors
didn't give you anything?
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No. Most of them were
either out or at work.
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We talked to one woman
who said she heard
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arguing in the
courtyard around 2:30.
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Okay, thanks.
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We got a ransom call.
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Units two and three
in place? Acknowledge.
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Unit two.
We're good to go.
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Unit three ready and waiting.
Ten-four.
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Lennie, check him out.
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Bike messenger, black,
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red jacket, entering the park
west entrance. Acknowledge.
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We see him.
Ten-four.
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He's got it! He's got it!
Let's go!
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Black messenger leaving
the park west entrance
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with manila envelope.
Don't lose him.
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BRISCOE: Units two and three,
subject's approaching a silver sedan.
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Let's sit tight and see
what he's up to.
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Did the kid hand him something?
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I can't tell.
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Somebody signal to him?
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Yeah, he goes in there, he might
go out the back entrance.
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Let's hit him. Grab him!
Let's grab him!
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Unit two, check for an
accomplice inside the cafe.
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Hit it!
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Police! Freeze!
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Police! Get down!
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Hey! Hey!
What are you doing?
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COP: Get down!
Where's the baby?
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What baby?
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Get him up!
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You gave him the money.
What money?
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The money you found in that
envelope underneath that bench.
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No, no, I didn't
give it to him.
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I don't even know
who that guy is.
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Where is it? Where is it?
It's in here.
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Talk!
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Some guy come up to me outside
the dispatch office, okay.
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He said he'd give me 50 bucks if I'd
pick up an envelope and bring it here.
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He's supposed to be where
that guy is, only he ain't.
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My wife goes in
for a couple of lattes,
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this guy comes up to me and asks
me if I saw somebody in a van.
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Did you?
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Well, when I came in, there
was some guy in a blue van.
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What kind of van?
I don't know.
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It was a beat up van. The back
doors were tied with rope.
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There was a motorcycle
fork sticking out,
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plus he had some
kind of vanity plates.
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What did they say?
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Uh, the second part said MNKY.
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I forget what the
first part said.
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You remember anything
about the driver?
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No! Could you get me out of
these handcuffs, please?
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I told you not to
double-park.
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ED: We're checking
motorcycle repair shops.
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What about the plate?
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Lennie's on it with the DMV.
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They're giving me conflicting
descriptions, as usual.
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We got 42 possibilities
from the DMV,
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but only one that traces
to a motorcycle shop.
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Go.
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Is that him?
Is this the guy?
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Anybody you recognize?
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No.
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All right.
We'll keep you posted.
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Mr. Albers,
I'm Lieutenant Van Buren.
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Where are they going?
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They're still working the case.
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Why was the money not paid?
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We've yet to make
contact with your son.
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Because you scared him off.
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Someone must have
figured out you were cops.
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We've got a good lead
on finding this man.
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I should have been allowed to
do this the way I wanted to.
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You guys should've been
nowhere near that park.
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We're going to get
your son back to you, sir.
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Who knows if he's even alive?
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This could be anybody. It
could be my brother, Ernie.
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BRISCOE:
Is it your brother, Ernie?
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You know what I'm saying.
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Hey, it's a ratty blue van
with vanity plates.
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The last four letters MNKY.
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First three letters HSE?
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You tell us.
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Look, you guys
come into my shop,
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you throw your weight
around You want answers,
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you tell me.
What's this about?
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Okay, here's an explanation.
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Shielding a murderer
is a felony.
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Who is it?
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(SIGHS) It's Hose Monkey.
It's Burdick's van.
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Who's Burdick?
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Gene Burdick.
He's one of my mechanics.
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He here today?
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He's at his other job today.
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Which is what?
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Delivering seltzer.
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You can do yourself
a world of good
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by telling us
where that kid is, Gene.
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Look, I don't know where the kid is.
You made the ransom call,
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but you don't know
where the kid is?
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What makes you think
I made the ransom call?
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Are you playing games with us?
I'm not playing any games.
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'Cause there's a missing kid, and
if you're playing games with us,
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you're gonna wake up with some
aches and pains in the morning.
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Hey, guys...
Okay, come on, come on.
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Come on.
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Look, I was delivering seltzer
on the West Side, okay.
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Call Benny Renko in Queens.
He's my boss.
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You can check the schedule.
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We saw you at the crime scene
a little after the murder.
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Because it's my building. I'm there
every Tuesday between 3:00 and 4:00.
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Before that, I'm at the
Dakota and the Apthorp.
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Talk to my customers. I didn't
take that kid, I swear.
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Who did, then?
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I don't know who did.
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Okay, you didn't personally do
the kidnapping or the murder.
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Maybe you can make
yourself a little deal.
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But first you have to tell
us where the kid is,
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and you have to tell us now!
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I don't know where the kid is.
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I suppose you're gonna tell us
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you didn't make
the ransom call again.
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I made the ransom call,
all right.
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All right? But I'm
working two jobs, man
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and I'm in hock
up to my eyeballs.
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I saw an opportunity to make a
score and I took it, that's all.
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How'd you get onto us
at the cafe?
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I got a scanner
rigged up in my van.
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It sounded like Desert Storm
was going down and I took off.
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How'd you know where to
make the ransom call?
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I used to deliver
to those guys.
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A couple of rich fruits
with a kid.
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When I saw the guy was dead,
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I figured the other one would fork over
the money, and that would be that.
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You figured he'd pay the money,
he wouldn't get his kid back,
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and nobody would come
looking for you?
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His alibi checks out.
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Well, what kind of idiot
arranges to pick up ransom money
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in a van with vanity plates?
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An idiot whose vanity
plates read Hose Monkey.
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Well, in the meantime, we haven't gotten
a single legitimate ransom demand.
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The question is whether whoever
did this did it for ransom.
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Well, has Children's Services
sent over Dylan's file yet?
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No. You know how
organized they are.
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Well, get over there
and put a fire under them.
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Mother was an 18-year-old heroin
addict, father listed as unknown.
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She gave the child up?
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Initially, we took
the child away.
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A neighbor called, said the
baby had been crying for days.
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We went over, found the baby
malnourished, dehydrated, the works.
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Mother was a waitress, but
she had a $200 a day habit.
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What's her name?
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Celia Goddard.
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The boy was placed on foster
care with Donald Albers.
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He formally adopted him
seven months later.
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And Goddard signed off
on the adoption?
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She was thrilled to
get him off her hands.
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BRISCOE: Have you heard
from her since then?
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About two months ago
she came in.
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She had gotten out of the
hospital, gotten out of rehab.
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She was clean for
about a year and a half.
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And she wanted her baby back.
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Girls don't give up on fairy-tales
just because they don't come true.
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What'd you tell her?
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That her son had a serious medical
condition that required fulltime care
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and expensive medication.
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Things she could never provide.
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She didn't believe me until I
showed her the medical records.
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I bet that took the
wind out of her sails.
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Not at all.
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She said she'd get another job,
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somehow scrape together enough
money to cover his medical bills.
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00:10:40,137 --> 00:10:43,380
Sol reminded her that her son
had been legally adopted.
247
00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:44,885
She had signed the papers.
248
00:10:44,942 --> 00:10:46,751
She had 45 days to rescind.
249
00:10:46,811 --> 00:10:49,314
She hadn't. Hey,
my hands were tied.
250
00:10:50,281 --> 00:10:51,555
VAN BUREN:
Celia Goddard.
251
00:10:51,649 --> 00:10:52,957
Address unknown.
252
00:10:53,050 --> 00:10:54,757
What does she say
about the medication?
253
00:10:54,819 --> 00:10:56,890
Because of the mother's drug
use while she was pregnant,
254
00:10:56,954 --> 00:10:58,524
the baby suffered
neurological damage.
255
00:10:58,589 --> 00:11:00,398
They give him Phenobarbital
for seizures.
256
00:11:00,457 --> 00:11:01,800
Does the mother know that?
257
00:11:01,859 --> 00:11:03,463
Case worker showed her
the medical file
258
00:11:03,561 --> 00:11:05,097
when she came looking
to get the baby back.
259
00:11:05,162 --> 00:11:07,199
If she was involved
in the kidnapping,
260
00:11:07,264 --> 00:11:09,767
chances are she'd make sure
she had the medication.
261
00:11:09,834 --> 00:11:11,279
ED: Looks like we're
canvassing pharmacies?
262
00:11:11,335 --> 00:11:14,077
Well, I'll get some people
checking hospitals just in case.
263
00:11:14,238 --> 00:11:15,581
All right.
264
00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,186
I have all these people
waiting for prescriptions.
265
00:11:18,242 --> 00:11:19,448
Can you maybe come back later?
266
00:11:19,510 --> 00:11:22,582
Hey, we've been in nine pharmacies
looking for a missing child.
267
00:11:22,646 --> 00:11:25,320
The people that are waiting are just
going to have to wait a little longer.
268
00:11:25,583 --> 00:11:26,755
What's the name?
269
00:11:26,817 --> 00:11:28,524
The child's name
is Dylan Mandel.
270
00:11:28,586 --> 00:11:30,156
The prescription's
for Phenobarbital
271
00:11:30,221 --> 00:11:32,064
or something similar
in a child's dosage.
272
00:11:32,122 --> 00:11:33,123
Pediatrician?
273
00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:35,261
We don't know
who the pediatrician is.
274
00:11:37,294 --> 00:11:38,500
Oh, okay, here we go.
275
00:11:38,596 --> 00:11:39,870
Um, Phenobarbital.
276
00:11:39,930 --> 00:11:42,740
Um, someone from Dr. Kwai's
office called in a prescription
277
00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,212
for Joey Powers two days ago.
278
00:11:45,336 --> 00:11:46,940
Powers?
Could be an alias.
279
00:11:47,371 --> 00:11:48,679
Anybody else?
280
00:11:48,939 --> 00:11:50,976
Um, sorry.
281
00:11:51,542 --> 00:11:53,544
Who picked it up?
Susan Powers.
282
00:11:53,611 --> 00:11:54,612
You got an address?
283
00:11:54,678 --> 00:11:55,986
She only gave a phone number.
284
00:11:56,046 --> 00:11:57,957
All right, we'll take that.
285
00:11:58,449 --> 00:11:59,587
This is it?
286
00:11:59,650 --> 00:12:01,493
This is the address.
287
00:12:04,054 --> 00:12:05,089
Can I help you?
288
00:12:05,155 --> 00:12:07,135
Yeah, we're looking
for Susan Powers.
289
00:12:07,191 --> 00:12:09,068
No one by that name here.
290
00:12:09,126 --> 00:12:10,127
You own the place?
291
00:12:10,194 --> 00:12:11,730
No, I just work here.
Why?
292
00:12:11,896 --> 00:12:14,206
Is it possible there's a
Susan working another shift?
293
00:12:14,265 --> 00:12:15,676
I know all the people
working here.
294
00:12:15,733 --> 00:12:17,007
There's no Susan.
What's this about?
295
00:12:17,067 --> 00:12:19,377
ED: Why is there a Susan on
the emergency contact list?
296
00:12:19,436 --> 00:12:22,315
I don't know. She must be
a friend of the owner's.
297
00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,080
Call the number.
298
00:12:25,276 --> 00:12:26,687
Can you please tell me
what this is about?
299
00:12:26,744 --> 00:12:27,779
A missing person.
300
00:12:27,845 --> 00:12:29,017
Uh-huh.
301
00:12:30,147 --> 00:12:31,490
Hello, is Susan there?
302
00:12:31,615 --> 00:12:33,094
It's the police!
303
00:12:33,217 --> 00:12:34,252
They hung UP
304
00:12:34,351 --> 00:12:35,489
All right, call communications
305
00:12:35,619 --> 00:12:38,065
and turn that number around,
and let's get a squad car
306
00:12:38,122 --> 00:12:40,363
for the employee
of the month here.
307
00:12:59,910 --> 00:13:01,719
Whoever it was,
he left in a hurry.
308
00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,792
"Remember, other's safety
depends on your discretion."
309
00:13:04,949 --> 00:13:06,895
"The buddy system applies
whenever you leave the building."
310
00:13:06,951 --> 00:13:09,022
"Never give out our phone
number or address."
311
00:13:09,086 --> 00:13:10,963
Let's find out whose
name is on the lease.
312
00:13:12,222 --> 00:13:14,259
My client runs an
underground rail road
313
00:13:14,325 --> 00:13:16,430
for abused women
and their children.
314
00:13:16,727 --> 00:13:19,230
They hide them from abusive
husbands and boyfriends,
315
00:13:19,296 --> 00:13:21,401
relocate them if necessary.
316
00:13:21,599 --> 00:13:23,010
That's all I'm willing
to disclose.
317
00:13:23,067 --> 00:13:26,071
This isn't about domestic
violence, Ms. Essex.
318
00:13:26,637 --> 00:13:28,742
It's about murder
and kidnapping,
319
00:13:28,839 --> 00:13:30,614
and we think
your client's involved.
320
00:13:31,275 --> 00:13:33,755
Have you seen this child,
Ms. Powers?
321
00:13:35,045 --> 00:13:38,458
Women come to me believing
their confidence will be kept.
322
00:13:38,983 --> 00:13:40,553
Do they ever lie?
323
00:13:41,385 --> 00:13:43,490
I don't know if they ever lie.
324
00:13:43,987 --> 00:13:47,264
If the woman who came to you with
this child said she was running away
325
00:13:47,391 --> 00:13:49,803
from an abusive husband,
she was lying.
326
00:13:50,094 --> 00:13:53,200
And if you're harboring her,
you're committing a felony.
327
00:13:54,498 --> 00:13:58,139
How do I know this isn't a ruse to
reunite a child with an abusive father?
328
00:13:58,202 --> 00:14:00,239
Women like this who need help
329
00:14:00,304 --> 00:14:02,375
are turned away by the police,
330
00:14:02,940 --> 00:14:05,250
sent back to their husbands.
331
00:14:05,609 --> 00:14:07,885
My dealings with the
police have been a joke.
332
00:14:08,045 --> 00:14:11,356
Well, you haven't dealt
with me, Ms. Powers.
333
00:14:15,285 --> 00:14:17,287
We have no choice, Susan.
334
00:14:23,794 --> 00:14:27,105
A woman named Chris
Matthews came to us.
335
00:14:27,231 --> 00:14:29,370
Or at least that's
what she called herself.
336
00:14:29,533 --> 00:14:31,035
She had a child with her.
337
00:14:31,101 --> 00:14:33,047
Is that who you
got the prescription for?
338
00:14:33,170 --> 00:14:35,810
A pediatrician I know
called it in.
339
00:14:36,039 --> 00:14:37,416
Did he have a seizure?
340
00:14:37,474 --> 00:14:39,181
No, it was for
precautionary reasons.
341
00:14:39,243 --> 00:14:40,313
And where are they now?
342
00:14:40,377 --> 00:14:43,984
After you raided our safe
house Chris was terrified.
343
00:14:44,948 --> 00:14:47,155
She gave the baby
to a friend of hers.
344
00:14:47,351 --> 00:14:49,262
I didn't ask for a name.
345
00:14:49,486 --> 00:14:51,693
I figured the fewer
details I knew the better.
346
00:14:51,822 --> 00:14:53,358
And the woman
you knew is Chris?
347
00:14:53,424 --> 00:14:54,926
She said she had to leave town.
348
00:14:55,059 --> 00:14:57,061
She had no money, no car.
349
00:15:00,230 --> 00:15:02,710
I bought her a
bus ticket this afternoon.
350
00:15:02,833 --> 00:15:04,141
Where to?
351
00:15:05,102 --> 00:15:06,979
The 3:30 to Peekskill.
352
00:15:07,604 --> 00:15:08,981
It's 3:15.
353
00:15:16,313 --> 00:15:18,122
Sorry for the
interruption, folks.
354
00:15:18,248 --> 00:15:20,353
This'll just take a second.
355
00:15:34,131 --> 00:15:37,840
Ms. Goddard, we're gonna
need you to come with us.
356
00:15:42,439 --> 00:15:44,282
Say you couldn't find me.
357
00:15:44,374 --> 00:15:46,047
Where's the baby?
358
00:15:46,643 --> 00:15:48,623
I'm going to be a really great
mother, and that's the truth,
359
00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:51,592
and if you'll just say you couldn't
find me, everything will be fine.
360
00:15:51,648 --> 00:15:53,184
If you don't get up and walk,
361
00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:55,560
we're going to
carry you out of here.
362
00:16:00,357 --> 00:16:02,598
Where is the child,
Ms. Goddard?
363
00:16:03,026 --> 00:16:04,562
Somewhere safe.
364
00:16:05,696 --> 00:16:07,300
Let's go.
365
00:16:11,935 --> 00:16:14,040
Just because you're
the biological mother,
366
00:16:14,104 --> 00:16:17,108
that doesn't make you any less
guilty of kidnapping or murder.
367
00:16:17,174 --> 00:16:18,346
I didn't commit murder.
368
00:16:18,408 --> 00:16:19,512
Then who did?
369
00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:20,611
I don't know who did.
370
00:16:20,677 --> 00:16:23,055
Look, your fingerprints
were on that stroller,
371
00:16:23,113 --> 00:16:24,615
which puts you at the scene.
372
00:16:24,681 --> 00:16:25,853
You ain't walking
away from this.
373
00:16:25,916 --> 00:16:27,361
I don't have to say anything.
374
00:16:27,417 --> 00:16:30,864
You took that baby from the
only parents he's ever known.
375
00:16:30,921 --> 00:16:33,333
He's probably scared out
of his wits right now,
376
00:16:33,390 --> 00:16:34,960
wondering where the hell he is.
377
00:16:35,025 --> 00:16:36,333
Is that what you want?
378
00:16:36,393 --> 00:16:37,963
That baby is my son.
379
00:16:38,028 --> 00:16:39,336
Not according to the law.
380
00:16:39,463 --> 00:16:40,669
Well, I don't care
about the law.
381
00:16:40,731 --> 00:16:42,472
I gave birth to him, he's mine.
382
00:16:42,633 --> 00:16:45,113
There isn't anybody in the world who
cares more about him than I do.
383
00:16:45,169 --> 00:16:47,775
I think the man who adopted
him might disagree.
384
00:16:47,871 --> 00:16:49,942
Well, how fair was it that
they made me sign him away
385
00:16:50,007 --> 00:16:51,645
when I was in the
state that I was in?
386
00:16:51,708 --> 00:16:54,552
How fair was it to the kid
that you were in that state?
387
00:16:54,611 --> 00:16:56,522
I know okay?
I was sick.
388
00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,217
I was so strung out,
I would've signed anything,
389
00:16:59,283 --> 00:17:00,887
I would've done anything.
390
00:17:00,984 --> 00:17:03,225
God, you don't even know
the things that I did.
391
00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:05,093
This was the worst.
392
00:17:05,155 --> 00:17:07,601
All right, you say
you're his mother.
393
00:17:08,492 --> 00:17:10,870
Then why don't you
start acting like it?
394
00:17:11,094 --> 00:17:13,165
Tell us where the baby is.
395
00:17:13,230 --> 00:17:15,039
Let us make him safe.
396
00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:17,338
ED: We're going to
find out either way, Celia.
397
00:17:17,534 --> 00:17:20,140
Well, then I guess you're just
going to have to do that.
398
00:17:24,741 --> 00:17:26,448
Celia had to
have an accomplice.
399
00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:29,286
Bradford Mandel was a big guy.
He worked out.
400
00:17:29,379 --> 00:17:31,689
There's no way she could have
beat him to death by herself.
401
00:17:31,748 --> 00:17:33,557
Any candidates?
Not that she's saying.
402
00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:36,029
The police questioned her for three hours.
They didn't make a dent.
403
00:17:36,086 --> 00:17:38,066
There must be someone who can
tell us something about her.
404
00:17:38,121 --> 00:17:39,532
Friends, boyfriends.
405
00:17:39,656 --> 00:17:41,431
We know there's at least
one person in her life
406
00:17:41,492 --> 00:17:42,937
she was willing to
trust with her kid.
407
00:17:43,026 --> 00:17:44,403
Her mom. Briscoe and
Green are with her now.
408
00:17:45,796 --> 00:17:48,800
I tried to visit her in that
place, but the people there said
409
00:17:48,865 --> 00:17:52,005
that it would be better if
I waited till she got out.
410
00:17:52,336 --> 00:17:53,406
I did try, though.
411
00:17:53,537 --> 00:17:55,210
How about since she's been out?
412
00:17:55,539 --> 00:17:58,281
Well, she came by
with a friend for a visit.
413
00:17:58,408 --> 00:18:00,786
She was completely
off the drugs.
414
00:18:00,844 --> 00:18:02,323
I was so glad to see that.
415
00:18:02,813 --> 00:18:04,349
How long ago was that?
416
00:18:04,414 --> 00:18:05,415
Last summer.
417
00:18:05,482 --> 00:18:07,393
Does she have any
sisters or brothers?
418
00:18:07,484 --> 00:18:09,555
Any other relatives
she's close to?
419
00:18:09,653 --> 00:18:12,964
No. And her father died
when Celia was 12.
420
00:18:13,023 --> 00:18:15,162
It's been just the two
of us since then.
421
00:18:15,225 --> 00:18:17,501
And you haven't seen her
since last summer?
422
00:18:18,161 --> 00:18:19,401
No, I haven't.
423
00:18:19,463 --> 00:18:20,999
BRISCOE: Any reason?
424
00:18:23,033 --> 00:18:24,808
Mother-daughter stuff.
425
00:18:27,537 --> 00:18:30,040
I haven't been able
to stop thinking about
426
00:18:30,307 --> 00:18:32,787
the baby that she gave up.
427
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:34,350
I know it's selfish.
428
00:18:34,444 --> 00:18:38,017
I know all the experts agree that
children are much better off
429
00:18:38,382 --> 00:18:40,885
being adopted
in these situations.
430
00:18:43,587 --> 00:18:47,000
But I would have been so happy
to have provided a home.
431
00:18:48,225 --> 00:18:50,364
And if things had worked out...
432
00:18:50,594 --> 00:18:51,868
She never asked you?
433
00:18:56,900 --> 00:18:58,243
She just...
434
00:18:59,503 --> 00:19:02,780
She just marched down there and
signed her name on the dotted line,
435
00:19:02,873 --> 00:19:05,479
and she wouldn't
listen to anything I said.
436
00:19:08,512 --> 00:19:10,753
I'm sorry.
He was my grandson.
437
00:19:12,749 --> 00:19:15,628
You said that she was with a friend
the last time she came by here?
438
00:19:15,786 --> 00:19:16,890
Terry...
439
00:19:16,953 --> 00:19:18,660
Um, Terry somebody.
440
00:19:19,156 --> 00:19:21,193
Do you know how we can
get in touch with her?
441
00:19:21,358 --> 00:19:23,702
Yes, she left me her number
442
00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:25,464
in case I needed
to reach Celia.
443
00:19:25,562 --> 00:19:27,269
I've got it in the other room.
444
00:19:30,601 --> 00:19:32,706
You gave your number
to Celia's mother
445
00:19:32,803 --> 00:19:34,646
and now you say you don't
know where she is?
446
00:19:34,705 --> 00:19:35,775
What are you feeding us?
447
00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:37,648
The truth.
Look, Ms. Kurasik,
448
00:19:37,708 --> 00:19:40,188
we got a very sick
little baby out there.
449
00:19:40,243 --> 00:19:41,586
If we don't find him soon,
I'm gonna hold you
450
00:19:41,645 --> 00:19:43,454
personally responsible.
You got my word on that.
451
00:19:43,513 --> 00:19:45,186
I told you, I don't know.
452
00:19:45,248 --> 00:19:47,956
I haven't spoken
to Celia in six months.
453
00:19:48,018 --> 00:19:50,726
And you have absolutely
no idea where this baby is?
454
00:19:50,854 --> 00:19:52,231
No, I don't.
455
00:19:52,656 --> 00:19:53,896
I swear.
456
00:19:54,725 --> 00:19:56,227
When we were in rehab,
457
00:19:56,293 --> 00:19:58,739
Celia'd go on and on about
wanting to get her kid back,
458
00:19:58,795 --> 00:20:00,103
and I thought it was just talk.
459
00:20:00,263 --> 00:20:02,106
Did she tell you how
she planned to do this?
460
00:20:02,165 --> 00:20:03,337
She didn't know.
461
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,938
I wanted to be supportive, but I
didn't want her to get her hopes up.
462
00:20:07,237 --> 00:20:08,545
I told her the main thing
463
00:20:08,605 --> 00:20:11,279
that she needed to be thinking
about was not using drugs.
464
00:20:11,341 --> 00:20:13,947
And beyond that, she'd have
to give it over to God.
465
00:20:14,177 --> 00:20:17,454
You have any idea who she might
go to for help besides God?
466
00:20:17,748 --> 00:20:20,354
When we both got out and I
could tell she was serious,
467
00:20:20,417 --> 00:20:22,920
I sent her to see this
lawyer that I know.
468
00:20:23,553 --> 00:20:26,466
When I asked her how it went,
she seemed pretty positive.
469
00:20:26,757 --> 00:20:29,567
He told her what to do
and she was doing it,
470
00:20:30,060 --> 00:20:33,098
and she didn't want to talk
about it until she was done.
471
00:20:33,964 --> 00:20:35,739
Where's this lawyer?
472
00:20:38,835 --> 00:20:42,009
It's been almost four days, Mr. Vaylor.
Time is running out.
473
00:20:42,239 --> 00:20:45,777
I hope that you won't give me any
problems on confidentiality.
474
00:20:47,544 --> 00:20:50,957
You know as well as I do that
kidnapping is an ongoing crime
475
00:20:51,114 --> 00:20:52,889
that vitiates privilege.
476
00:20:53,850 --> 00:20:57,297
I could fight it, tie you
up in court for a few days.
477
00:20:57,454 --> 00:20:58,728
You could.
478
00:20:59,289 --> 00:21:00,734
But you won't.
479
00:21:03,994 --> 00:21:05,735
She wanted to overturn
the adoption,
480
00:21:05,796 --> 00:21:08,333
get her child back
and raise him herself.
481
00:21:08,398 --> 00:21:10,036
I told her it was too late.
482
00:21:10,267 --> 00:21:12,838
The only party with standing
to challenge the adoption
483
00:21:12,903 --> 00:21:14,644
was the biological father,
484
00:21:14,805 --> 00:21:16,876
and that was only because
he never received notice.
485
00:21:16,973 --> 00:21:19,146
She knew who
the biological father was?
486
00:21:19,209 --> 00:21:21,655
Yeah. She just didn't
know where he was.
487
00:21:22,112 --> 00:21:23,921
He used to work at a building
site next to the place
488
00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:26,551
where she waitressed,
and then he moved on.
489
00:21:27,184 --> 00:21:28,993
I offered to try and find him.
490
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,895
She said it would be better
if she did it herself.
491
00:21:32,689 --> 00:21:35,829
The construction company that
employed the father of your child
492
00:21:35,892 --> 00:21:37,462
gave us this list.
493
00:21:38,495 --> 00:21:41,032
It contains 307 names.
494
00:21:41,164 --> 00:21:42,472
One of them's his.
495
00:21:42,532 --> 00:21:46,378
We're going to go through that list,
name by name, and track him down.
496
00:21:47,771 --> 00:21:49,512
So what do you want from me?
497
00:21:50,574 --> 00:21:52,781
We want to know
where your child is now.
498
00:21:53,043 --> 00:21:54,681
Why?
The child's fine.
499
00:21:54,811 --> 00:21:56,222
You don't really know that.
500
00:21:56,346 --> 00:21:58,383
You haven't had any
contact with him in days.
501
00:21:58,448 --> 00:22:00,587
He could be sick.
He could be hurt.
502
00:22:00,717 --> 00:22:03,891
JACK: We find him on our own, we
don't need your help anymore.
503
00:22:04,121 --> 00:22:05,998
You'll stand trial for
murder and kidnapping,
504
00:22:06,056 --> 00:22:08,696
and you'll go to prison
for a very long time.
505
00:22:11,161 --> 00:22:12,504
What are you offering?
506
00:22:12,562 --> 00:22:14,940
Provided she played no active
role in the victim's death
507
00:22:15,031 --> 00:22:16,374
and she testifies at trial,
508
00:22:16,433 --> 00:22:19,744
she'll probably be able to walk
away with community service.
509
00:22:21,304 --> 00:22:23,784
But maybe the jury'll
find me not guilty.
510
00:22:24,007 --> 00:22:26,283
I'm a pretty good trial
lawyer, Ms. Goddard.
511
00:22:26,576 --> 00:22:28,487
I don't get surprised
that often.
512
00:22:28,979 --> 00:22:30,856
Under the circumstances, Celia.
513
00:22:30,914 --> 00:22:34,088
I'd be hard pressed to
advise you not to cooperate.
514
00:22:35,552 --> 00:22:37,759
I have to do what's
right for my son.
515
00:22:39,322 --> 00:22:40,426
Okay.
516
00:22:42,392 --> 00:22:44,201
Can you actually
look me in the eyes
517
00:22:44,294 --> 00:22:46,672
and tell me you're not
worried about your baby?
518
00:22:49,166 --> 00:22:51,806
He's with his
birth father, isn't he?
519
00:22:52,469 --> 00:22:54,574
That's why you're concerned.
520
00:22:55,772 --> 00:22:58,878
Celia, your son is in
the hands of a murderer.
521
00:23:00,243 --> 00:23:03,122
He beat a man to death
in front of you,
522
00:23:03,813 --> 00:23:05,554
in front of your child.
523
00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:12,531
I didn't know what else to do.
524
00:23:13,156 --> 00:23:15,261
Now you do.
Help us find him.
525
00:23:17,627 --> 00:23:19,903
RADOS: Maybe
there's a possibility
526
00:23:20,363 --> 00:23:22,809
of being involved in your
son's life in some way.
527
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:27,580
Is that a possibility?
528
00:23:28,638 --> 00:23:30,413
That'll be up to
Mr. Albers.
529
00:23:31,474 --> 00:23:34,182
You'd probably have a better chance
of being involved in his life
530
00:23:34,277 --> 00:23:36,621
not being in prison
for 20 years.
531
00:23:43,853 --> 00:23:46,663
There's a house in Peekskill.
532
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,969
That's where they are.
533
00:23:59,836 --> 00:24:01,281
BRISCOE: Mr. Kelley?
Yeah.
534
00:24:01,338 --> 00:24:02,476
New York City detectives.
535
00:24:02,539 --> 00:24:03,847
We have a warrant
for your arrest
536
00:24:03,907 --> 00:24:06,444
and a warrant to
search the premises.
537
00:24:08,445 --> 00:24:10,391
(BABY CRYING)
538
00:24:10,847 --> 00:24:12,520
Somebody bring a blanket.
539
00:24:14,818 --> 00:24:16,820
Hey, baby bear. Come on,
come on, baby bear.
540
00:24:16,886 --> 00:24:18,126
There's a bottle in the fridge
541
00:24:18,188 --> 00:24:20,725
and a stuffed animal
he really likes in his crib.
542
00:24:40,377 --> 00:24:42,118
Thank you for my son.
543
00:24:49,185 --> 00:24:51,961
"Docket 31602,
People v. Robert Kelley."
544
00:24:52,022 --> 00:24:54,002
"One count each,
Murder in the Second Degree,"
545
00:24:54,057 --> 00:24:55,832
"Kidnapping in the
Second Degree."
546
00:24:55,892 --> 00:24:57,667
JUDGE: How does the
defendant plead?
547
00:24:57,727 --> 00:24:58,797
Not guilty.
548
00:24:58,862 --> 00:24:59,863
Ms. Carmichael?
549
00:24:59,929 --> 00:25:00,930
The People seek remand.
550
00:25:00,997 --> 00:25:03,739
Judge, my client doesn't have
as much as a parking ticket.
551
00:25:03,867 --> 00:25:05,505
We request reasonable bail.
552
00:25:05,568 --> 00:25:08,174
Your Honor, the defendant
and an unindicted accessory
553
00:25:08,238 --> 00:25:10,514
took an 18-month-old
child from his parents.
554
00:25:10,573 --> 00:25:13,110
When one of the parents resisted,
he was beaten to death.
555
00:25:13,276 --> 00:25:15,688
First arrest or not, the nature
of the crime warrants remand.
556
00:25:15,745 --> 00:25:18,919
In the first place one
of these so-called parents,
557
00:25:19,015 --> 00:25:22,827
Mr. Mandel, had no legal
relationship with the child.
558
00:25:22,886 --> 00:25:23,990
Ms. Carmichael?
559
00:25:24,087 --> 00:25:25,589
Irrelevant to bail app, Judge.
560
00:25:25,655 --> 00:25:28,499
Mr. Mandel was
the homosexual lover
561
00:25:28,592 --> 00:25:30,094
of the child's adoptive father.
562
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,903
An adoption that was procured
without the consent of my client,
563
00:25:33,963 --> 00:25:35,306
the child's natural father.
564
00:25:35,365 --> 00:25:36,708
Your Honor, before his murder,
565
00:25:36,766 --> 00:25:39,212
Mr. Mandel had applied
for a second parent adoption.
566
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:41,806
A second adoption is no
more legal than the first.
567
00:25:41,871 --> 00:25:43,441
JUDGE: That's enough.
As I understand it
568
00:25:43,506 --> 00:25:46,043
this is a bail hearing,
not an adoption hearing.
569
00:25:46,242 --> 00:25:47,653
Defendant is remanded.
570
00:25:52,349 --> 00:25:55,228
This guy's gonna play the disenfranchised
father card to the hilt.
571
00:25:55,352 --> 00:25:56,456
What are you looking for?
572
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,192
JACK: Murder two
is what he has coming.
573
00:25:58,254 --> 00:26:00,530
We had to drop the kidnapping
because, as a relative,
574
00:26:00,657 --> 00:26:02,159
he has an affirmative defense.
575
00:26:02,325 --> 00:26:03,599
Then why murder two?
576
00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:04,968
'Cause he went looking
for Mandel,
577
00:26:05,028 --> 00:26:07,474
waited for him, beat him up,
and then beat him to death.
578
00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:09,373
The motive being
the return of his son.
579
00:26:09,499 --> 00:26:11,911
Who had been legally adopted
for more than a year.
580
00:26:12,202 --> 00:26:14,842
Whatever one thinks
of two gays being parents.
581
00:26:16,539 --> 00:26:19,520
You're going to be hard pressed to
have a jury come back with murder two.
582
00:26:19,642 --> 00:26:22,179
Whatever it is, it shouldn't
be a slap on the wrist.
583
00:26:22,745 --> 00:26:24,281
See if you can get a plea.
584
00:26:24,948 --> 00:26:26,859
Let's talk to Celia first.
585
00:26:28,218 --> 00:26:30,528
CARMICHAEL: What did he say
when you told him he had a son?
586
00:26:31,488 --> 00:26:33,024
He didn't care.
587
00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:35,231
He thought I wanted money.
588
00:26:35,892 --> 00:26:37,667
What made him care?
589
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:41,868
Tell them, Celia.
590
00:26:45,635 --> 00:26:48,639
No, it's not fair to Robert I'm
the one that got him into this.
591
00:26:48,772 --> 00:26:51,616
One of the conditions
of your deal is cooperation.
592
00:27:00,317 --> 00:27:02,820
I told Robert that
two gays had him.
593
00:27:03,753 --> 00:27:06,290
I knew that that
would make him care.
594
00:27:08,358 --> 00:27:12,204
This man's son was given up in
an adoption he never knew of.
595
00:27:12,495 --> 00:27:14,873
When he learned of his son's
existence, he responded.
596
00:27:14,931 --> 00:27:17,241
It's how he responded
that concerns us.
597
00:27:17,634 --> 00:27:20,205
Celia Goddard told him
he was the only person
598
00:27:20,303 --> 00:27:23,011
who could overturn the adoption.
She was desperate.
599
00:27:23,106 --> 00:27:25,586
We have Ms. Goddard's statement.
We know what she said.
600
00:27:25,642 --> 00:27:29,590
Then you also know that Mr. Kelley
harbored no intent to kill anyone.
601
00:27:30,046 --> 00:27:31,525
A jury might think otherwise.
602
00:27:31,581 --> 00:27:34,494
JACK: He went there to confront
Mr. Mandel physically.
603
00:27:34,584 --> 00:27:37,656
Disputed custody situations
are always very heated.
604
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,224
This was a situation that
got away from everybody.
605
00:27:41,424 --> 00:27:44,803
I had a right to know my child.
To hold him.
606
00:27:44,861 --> 00:27:46,636
Bob, please. JACK: Whatever
rights you may have had,
607
00:27:46,696 --> 00:27:49,040
they didn't extend
to kidnapping and murder.
608
00:27:49,099 --> 00:27:51,841
Let's stop talking in terms of murder.
It's man two.
609
00:27:51,901 --> 00:27:52,971
He does a deuce.
610
00:27:53,069 --> 00:27:57,745
The M.E. says Mr. Mandel was beaten
to death after he was helpless.
611
00:27:59,375 --> 00:28:00,479
Murder two.
612
00:28:00,543 --> 00:28:01,681
Based on what?
Do you have a witness?
613
00:28:01,744 --> 00:28:02,848
Celia Goddard.
614
00:28:02,912 --> 00:28:04,721
That's just "he said,
she said."
615
00:28:05,181 --> 00:28:07,092
This is the best he can expect.
616
00:28:07,317 --> 00:28:09,228
We all know what was
behind this murder.
617
00:28:09,686 --> 00:28:13,395
He pleads to murder two,
15-to-life now,
618
00:28:14,157 --> 00:28:18,128
or we go to trial on man one
with a bias crime charge
619
00:28:18,628 --> 00:28:20,335
and he could be
looking at more time.
620
00:28:20,397 --> 00:28:24,174
Bias crime? That's absurd.
Mr. Kelley didn't hate homosexuals.
621
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,038
He loves his son.
622
00:28:26,903 --> 00:28:28,280
Offer's on the table.
623
00:28:28,638 --> 00:28:29,981
Your call.
624
00:28:34,777 --> 00:28:36,882
We'll take our
chances in court.
625
00:28:40,583 --> 00:28:42,893
I was in pretty bad shape
when I met Robert.
626
00:28:42,986 --> 00:28:44,624
I was using heroin.
627
00:28:45,455 --> 00:28:47,457
Robert tried to help me.
628
00:28:47,657 --> 00:28:48,761
I wasn't ready.
629
00:28:48,892 --> 00:28:50,997
Did you have a relationship
with Mr. Kelley?
630
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:52,801
Yes. I became pregnant.
631
00:28:53,596 --> 00:28:55,735
I knew I couldn't
take care of the baby.
632
00:28:56,232 --> 00:28:58,337
So I arranged for his adoption.
633
00:28:58,601 --> 00:29:00,308
JACK: At some point
did you change your mind?
634
00:29:00,470 --> 00:29:03,383
After I got out of the
hospital I went into rehab.
635
00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:06,846
That first year was the
hardest year of my life.
636
00:29:08,745 --> 00:29:10,918
What kept me going,
what made me
637
00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:13,824
not run away and start using
again and not kill myself
638
00:29:13,883 --> 00:29:15,760
was remembering
that I had this son,
639
00:29:16,586 --> 00:29:18,327
this person that I had...
640
00:29:19,489 --> 00:29:21,491
That I'd carried inside me and
641
00:29:22,592 --> 00:29:24,765
given birth to.
He kept me alive.
642
00:29:24,827 --> 00:29:26,898
JACK: What happened after
you got out of rehab?
643
00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:28,905
CELIA: I went to see
a case worker
644
00:29:28,965 --> 00:29:30,842
and then I talked to a lawyer.
645
00:29:31,734 --> 00:29:33,839
I found out that
the only person
646
00:29:33,903 --> 00:29:35,780
who could challenge
the adoption was Robert.
647
00:29:35,872 --> 00:29:37,249
And why was that?
648
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,783
Because I never
told him about it.
649
00:29:38,841 --> 00:29:40,752
I never told him
I was pregnant.
650
00:29:41,377 --> 00:29:42,617
Did you get in touch with him?
651
00:29:42,679 --> 00:29:43,749
Yes.
652
00:29:43,813 --> 00:29:45,724
What did you say to him?
653
00:29:46,816 --> 00:29:48,489
I told him he had a son.
654
00:29:48,618 --> 00:29:50,256
What was his reaction?
655
00:29:50,453 --> 00:29:51,830
CELIA: He was distant.
656
00:29:52,455 --> 00:29:54,731
I don't think he ever
considered having kids.
657
00:29:55,124 --> 00:29:58,162
JACK: Did you say something
that made him change his mind?
658
00:30:03,633 --> 00:30:05,840
Answer the question,
Ms. Goddard.
659
00:30:11,407 --> 00:30:13,978
I told him that his son
had been adopted
660
00:30:15,511 --> 00:30:18,287
and that the people who'd
adopted him were homosexuals.
661
00:30:18,514 --> 00:30:21,654
JACK: Was there anything to make you
think the homosexuality of these men
662
00:30:21,718 --> 00:30:23,959
would have an effect
on Mr. Kelley?
663
00:30:24,754 --> 00:30:26,427
Yeah, the way that
he talked about them.
664
00:30:26,489 --> 00:30:29,197
And then there was this incident
when I first knew Robert.
665
00:30:29,292 --> 00:30:30,737
JACK: What was that,
Ms. Goddard?
666
00:30:30,793 --> 00:30:33,706
Robert and a friend picked a
fight with these two gay guys
667
00:30:33,796 --> 00:30:35,901
at the Sheridan Square
subway station.
668
00:30:36,065 --> 00:30:37,135
Why?
669
00:30:37,734 --> 00:30:39,407
They were holding hands.
670
00:30:40,670 --> 00:30:43,617
JACK: Would you tell the court
what action you and the defendant
671
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:45,981
took in effort to
get your child back.
672
00:30:46,209 --> 00:30:49,986
Well, I wanted him to come with
me to the lawyer to make a claim.
673
00:30:51,214 --> 00:30:53,455
But he went to
Mr. Mandel's apartment,
674
00:30:53,816 --> 00:30:57,093
and we hung around
outside the building.
675
00:30:59,989 --> 00:31:03,436
Then we saw Mr. Mandel
coming back from a walk.
676
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:05,838
Dylan was with him.
677
00:31:05,895 --> 00:31:07,465
JACK: What happened then?
678
00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:09,737
CELIA: Robert followed him
into this courtyard.
679
00:31:09,832 --> 00:31:11,869
He started shouting at the guy.
680
00:31:12,335 --> 00:31:14,975
Mr. Mandel threatened
to call the police.
681
00:31:15,304 --> 00:31:17,841
Then he started to take the
baby out of the stroller,
682
00:31:17,941 --> 00:31:20,080
and Robert grabbed him,
he pushed him away.
683
00:31:20,777 --> 00:31:22,757
Then Mr. Mandel
pushed Robert,
684
00:31:22,812 --> 00:31:24,758
and that's when
Robert punched him,
685
00:31:25,214 --> 00:31:28,491
and Mr. Mandel fell down.
686
00:31:29,285 --> 00:31:31,265
What did Robert do then?
687
00:31:35,558 --> 00:31:36,969
He kicked him.
688
00:31:37,026 --> 00:31:39,233
JACK: How many times?
Once? Twice?
689
00:31:39,762 --> 00:31:41,070
CELIA: (CRYING) I don't know.
690
00:31:41,197 --> 00:31:42,198
What else?
691
00:31:42,265 --> 00:31:44,302
He hit him with his fists.
692
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:46,037
JACK: How many times?
693
00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:48,312
I don't know.
I'm sorry, Robert.
694
00:31:48,538 --> 00:31:50,313
Did the defendant say anything?
695
00:31:52,942 --> 00:31:56,082
Ms. Goddard, as he was punching
and kicking Mr. Mandel,
696
00:31:56,145 --> 00:31:58,318
did the defendant say anything?
697
00:31:58,381 --> 00:32:00,361
He kept shouting at him.
698
00:32:02,385 --> 00:32:04,888
He kept calling
Mr. Mandel a faggot.
699
00:32:09,625 --> 00:32:11,536
I have nothing further.
700
00:32:12,095 --> 00:32:13,665
Ms. Goddard,
701
00:32:14,263 --> 00:32:16,038
when you got out of drug rehab,
702
00:32:16,099 --> 00:32:17,601
you realized you'd
made a mistake
703
00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:21,809
giving Dylan up for adoption, and you
tracked down Mr. Albers, correct?
704
00:32:22,005 --> 00:32:23,916
Yes. Because you
wanted your son back.
705
00:32:23,973 --> 00:32:26,715
And you would do anything
it took to get him back,
706
00:32:26,776 --> 00:32:29,188
including manipulating
Robert Kelley.
707
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,891
I told him the truth.
708
00:32:32,081 --> 00:32:33,754
It was you who engineered
this whole thing,
709
00:32:33,816 --> 00:32:35,591
was it not,
Ms. Goddard?
710
00:32:35,785 --> 00:32:38,163
Nobody engineered it.
It just happened.
711
00:32:38,221 --> 00:32:40,531
It was you who found
Mr. Albers' address,
712
00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:42,433
it was you who stalked him,
713
00:32:42,692 --> 00:32:47,163
and it was you who inflamed my client's
emotions to achieve your purpose.
714
00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:49,710
Objection. JUDGE: Ask a
question, Ms. Cutler.
715
00:32:50,199 --> 00:32:52,042
You're the one with the
criminal record, Ms. Goddard,
716
00:32:52,101 --> 00:32:55,082
and you expect us to believe
this was Mr. Kelley's idea?
717
00:32:55,171 --> 00:32:56,673
I just wanted my son back.
718
00:32:56,773 --> 00:32:59,253
What do you just want
now, Ms. Goddard?
719
00:32:59,509 --> 00:33:02,012
To say whatever
Mr. McCoy needs you to say
720
00:33:02,078 --> 00:33:04,354
in return for letting
you walk away?
721
00:33:04,414 --> 00:33:05,757
Objection.
722
00:33:06,082 --> 00:33:08,084
Withdrawn.
No further questions.
723
00:33:14,924 --> 00:33:17,200
How'd you feel when you found
out you'd fathered a son
724
00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:19,968
who'd been given up for
adoption without your consent?
725
00:33:22,131 --> 00:33:24,771
Like I just went through a few
rounds with Lennox Lewis.
726
00:33:25,435 --> 00:33:27,540
Would you have had a similar
reaction if you'd found out
727
00:33:27,603 --> 00:33:29,583
the adoptive parents
were heterosexual?
728
00:33:29,639 --> 00:33:31,414
Yes. Absolutely.
729
00:33:32,842 --> 00:33:34,822
Are you homophobic,
Mr. Kelley?
730
00:33:35,812 --> 00:33:38,793
What people do in their own
bedrooms is their own business.
731
00:33:39,081 --> 00:33:41,459
What about the incident
in the subway station?
732
00:33:41,717 --> 00:33:44,891
It was just four guys who'd had
a little too much to drink.
733
00:33:45,555 --> 00:33:48,866
That's it. It had nothing to
do with anybody being gay.
734
00:33:49,091 --> 00:33:50,968
What about gay people
raising children?
735
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,663
Well, to tell you the truth,
I'm not thrilled about it.
736
00:33:53,996 --> 00:33:56,704
I think it's wrong to put a
child in that situation.
737
00:33:58,167 --> 00:34:00,010
That's an honest answer.
738
00:34:01,871 --> 00:34:03,851
Ms. Goddard testified
739
00:34:04,207 --> 00:34:07,347
that when she told you about
Dylan you were distant.
740
00:34:08,177 --> 00:34:09,554
Is that a fair statement?
741
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:10,749
Yes.
742
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,991
At first, I was numb.
743
00:34:13,149 --> 00:34:14,594
Then I thought,
744
00:34:15,685 --> 00:34:17,096
I had a son.
745
00:34:18,054 --> 00:34:19,328
A son.
746
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:21,868
What did you do?
747
00:34:21,924 --> 00:34:23,733
Went with Celia to get my kid.
748
00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:25,533
Why didn't you go see a lawyer?
749
00:34:25,661 --> 00:34:27,800
'Cause Celia told me
it wouldn't work.
750
00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:30,977
Did you go there to kill this man
because he was a homosexual?
751
00:34:31,033 --> 00:34:32,239
No.
752
00:34:32,301 --> 00:34:33,974
I went there to
talk it out with him
753
00:34:34,036 --> 00:34:35,481
I thought that he would
listen to reason.
754
00:34:35,538 --> 00:34:36,642
CUTLER: And what happened?
755
00:34:36,706 --> 00:34:38,686
We found Mr. Mandel
with Dylan.
756
00:34:38,908 --> 00:34:41,718
I said, "This is
my child, my son."
757
00:34:42,011 --> 00:34:43,251
Were you shouting?
758
00:34:43,312 --> 00:34:44,950
No. Not yet.
759
00:34:45,014 --> 00:34:46,618
I don't know where
Celia got that from.
760
00:34:46,883 --> 00:34:48,794
And how did Mr.
Mandel respond?
761
00:34:48,918 --> 00:34:50,591
He looked at me
as if I was crazy.
762
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,298
He said, this is his child,
his son.
763
00:34:54,123 --> 00:34:56,364
His and his partner's.
764
00:34:56,425 --> 00:34:57,995
I said, "Don't you think
that the kid"
765
00:34:58,060 --> 00:35:00,165
"would really be better off
with a mommy and a daddy?"
766
00:35:00,229 --> 00:35:01,333
CUTLER: What did he say?
767
00:35:01,397 --> 00:35:03,104
He said, "Check your watch."
768
00:35:03,733 --> 00:35:06,111
"It sounds a decade
or two too slow."
769
00:35:06,402 --> 00:35:09,406
Then he leaned down to pick
up my boy from the stroller,
770
00:35:11,173 --> 00:35:13,653
and Dylan peeked up
at me. He, uh, smiled.
771
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:16,016
He looked like me.
772
00:35:16,112 --> 00:35:17,750
Is that when you
grabbed Mr. Mandel?
773
00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:18,981
Yes.
774
00:35:19,081 --> 00:35:20,560
He was going to
take my boy away.
775
00:35:20,616 --> 00:35:22,323
What did he do?
776
00:35:23,352 --> 00:35:24,831
He pushed me.
777
00:35:25,388 --> 00:35:27,800
And all I can think of
was my boy.
778
00:35:29,959 --> 00:35:33,463
I hit him till he fell
and, uh, I kept hitting him.
779
00:35:35,798 --> 00:35:37,607
I'm sorry that he's dead.
780
00:35:38,768 --> 00:35:41,078
I really didn't mean
for that to happen.
781
00:35:41,537 --> 00:35:42,982
No more questions.
782
00:35:45,241 --> 00:35:49,053
Celia Goddard stated that you went
to the building and waited outside?
783
00:35:49,378 --> 00:35:51,483
Yes. What was the plan,
according to you?
784
00:35:51,547 --> 00:35:52,651
To talk to him.
785
00:35:52,815 --> 00:35:54,556
So why did you follow
him into the courtyard?
786
00:35:54,617 --> 00:35:56,756
Why didn't you talk to him
in front of the building,
787
00:35:56,819 --> 00:35:58,355
on a public street?
788
00:35:58,688 --> 00:36:00,690
I thought it would be
better done in private.
789
00:36:00,756 --> 00:36:02,030
What would be
better in private?
790
00:36:02,091 --> 00:36:03,968
Talking to him or beating him?
791
00:36:04,994 --> 00:36:06,098
Talking to him.
792
00:36:06,162 --> 00:36:10,201
Isn't it a fact that when Celia
Goddard told you you had a son,
793
00:36:10,266 --> 00:36:11,336
you weren't numb?
794
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,472
You didn't care about him
or that he was adopted.
795
00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:16,015
No, that's not true.
796
00:36:16,172 --> 00:36:20,518
JACK: In fact, wasn't the only thing that
made you care at all about this child
797
00:36:20,977 --> 00:36:24,390
that you learned that he'd been
adopted by a gay man and his lover?
798
00:36:24,514 --> 00:36:26,084
No, that isn't true.
799
00:36:26,182 --> 00:36:30,062
You followed Mr. Mandel, you
accosted him, you beat him.
800
00:36:30,553 --> 00:36:32,760
He was lying
on the ground unconscious.
801
00:36:33,022 --> 00:36:36,026
You had the boy.
Why didn't you walk away?
802
00:36:36,092 --> 00:36:37,571
I don't know.
803
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,332
I wish I had.
804
00:36:39,428 --> 00:36:41,465
By this time you were
shouting, weren't you?
805
00:36:41,731 --> 00:36:43,642
Yes. So was Celia.
806
00:36:44,333 --> 00:36:47,644
But Celia was shouting
for you to stop, wasn't she?
807
00:36:47,703 --> 00:36:49,046
What were you shouting?
808
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:50,909
I don't remember.
809
00:36:50,973 --> 00:36:53,419
Celia Goddard says
that you were shouting
810
00:36:53,876 --> 00:36:56,755
"faggot" and
that you kicked him
811
00:36:56,879 --> 00:37:00,053
and went on shouting
until he was dead.
812
00:37:00,449 --> 00:37:01,553
It wasn't like that.
813
00:37:01,617 --> 00:37:02,652
What was it like?
814
00:37:02,718 --> 00:37:04,459
It all happened at once.
815
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,024
Why did you continue
once you had the boy?
816
00:37:09,925 --> 00:37:15,170
Was it that in your mind Brad Mandel wasn't
a parent or a person, but a pervert?
817
00:37:15,598 --> 00:37:17,839
A sick, twisted individual
818
00:37:18,167 --> 00:37:21,705
who had to be stopped from
sexually enslaving a young boy?
819
00:37:21,771 --> 00:37:24,684
Look, if that's what he was doing, then
hell, yes, he needed to be stopped.
820
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:27,152
Yes. Well, was that
what he was doing?
821
00:37:33,749 --> 00:37:35,786
I didn't mean to kill him.
822
00:37:49,498 --> 00:37:51,171
A rebuttal witness?
823
00:37:52,501 --> 00:37:53,673
On what ground?
824
00:37:53,736 --> 00:37:54,771
They opened the door.
825
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:56,349
Door to what?
826
00:37:56,405 --> 00:37:59,284
The fitness of homosexuals
as parents is at issue.
827
00:37:59,575 --> 00:38:02,021
Mr. Albers is entitled
to testify to that.
828
00:38:02,111 --> 00:38:03,181
I agree.
829
00:38:03,245 --> 00:38:04,918
I'm going to allow it.
830
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:10,423
ALBERS: We were like any
other couple with a kid.
831
00:38:10,853 --> 00:38:13,129
"Early to bed,
early to rise..."
832
00:38:14,156 --> 00:38:15,794
The only restaurants we went to
833
00:38:15,858 --> 00:38:18,134
had paper place mats
on the table with crayons.
834
00:38:18,327 --> 00:38:20,204
Whose desire was it to adopt?
835
00:38:20,296 --> 00:38:22,003
At first it was Brad's.
836
00:38:22,465 --> 00:38:24,741
I was happy with
our life the way it was.
837
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:26,641
Traveling, going out.
838
00:38:27,069 --> 00:38:28,571
I wasn't looking for
anything else.
839
00:38:28,637 --> 00:38:31,709
JACK: So he was the one who
was involved with the child?
840
00:38:31,807 --> 00:38:33,081
ALBERS: At first.
841
00:38:34,443 --> 00:38:35,683
I was scared.
842
00:38:37,113 --> 00:38:40,026
This was a sick child. Don't
forget, his mother was using drugs
843
00:38:40,082 --> 00:38:43,791
while she was pregnant with him, which
left him with all kinds of problems.
844
00:38:44,053 --> 00:38:46,863
And Brad was the one who would
be up all night with him,
845
00:38:46,956 --> 00:38:49,459
warming his formula
and taking his temperature
846
00:38:49,658 --> 00:38:52,639
and singing to him
to get him to go to sleep.
847
00:38:53,029 --> 00:38:54,702
You said "at first."
848
00:38:56,031 --> 00:38:57,203
Right.
849
00:38:59,869 --> 00:39:02,110
I guess that's the
thing about kids.
850
00:39:03,672 --> 00:39:06,278
You can only fight
them off for so long.
851
00:39:07,810 --> 00:39:09,847
As much as I imagined
myself to be
852
00:39:09,912 --> 00:39:12,756
this busy important guy out
in the world making money,
853
00:39:12,948 --> 00:39:14,757
doing busy important things,
854
00:39:14,917 --> 00:39:17,261
at a certain point I realized
that all I really wanted to do
855
00:39:17,319 --> 00:39:19,799
was come home
and be with my son.
856
00:39:22,892 --> 00:39:24,565
With Brad and our son.
857
00:39:28,597 --> 00:39:30,042
Thank you.
858
00:39:36,706 --> 00:39:39,084
Mr. Mandel had
a life membership
859
00:39:39,141 --> 00:39:41,587
in a Chelsea gym, did he not?
860
00:39:41,744 --> 00:39:42,745
Yes.
861
00:39:42,878 --> 00:39:43,913
He get there much?
862
00:39:43,979 --> 00:39:46,118
Yes, he did. He took a lot
of pride in his appearance.
863
00:39:46,182 --> 00:39:47,217
He have much of a temper?
864
00:39:47,316 --> 00:39:48,351
Objection. Irrelevant.
865
00:39:48,417 --> 00:39:51,091
I'm just trying to let the jury
come away with an accurate picture
866
00:39:51,153 --> 00:39:54,066
of what might have
transpired in that courtyard.
867
00:39:54,156 --> 00:39:55,157
I'll allow it.
868
00:39:55,257 --> 00:39:57,237
I'm sure that what was
happening in that courtyard
869
00:39:57,293 --> 00:39:58,795
is that Brad was trying
to protect our child.
870
00:39:58,861 --> 00:40:00,932
You weren't in that
courtyard, Mr. Albers.
871
00:40:01,197 --> 00:40:03,871
And the only question you've
been asked is whether or not
872
00:40:03,999 --> 00:40:05,342
Bradford Mandel had a temper.
873
00:40:05,401 --> 00:40:07,244
Yes, he did.
He had a temper.
874
00:40:07,336 --> 00:40:08,872
When he had to deal
with homophobes
875
00:40:08,938 --> 00:40:12,112
and hate and mean-spirited
people he had a temper.
876
00:40:12,274 --> 00:40:13,776
Does that make him
any less of a victim
877
00:40:13,843 --> 00:40:16,323
than if he'd acted like some
frightened little Cinderella?
878
00:40:16,378 --> 00:40:18,551
Mr. Albers you've
answered the question.
879
00:40:19,014 --> 00:40:20,618
Let's let it go at that.
880
00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:27,367
Look closely at Robert Kelley,
ladies and gentlemen.
881
00:40:27,923 --> 00:40:31,029
He's a man who deserves
understanding and empathy,
882
00:40:31,794 --> 00:40:33,899
and finally to be
found not guilty.
883
00:40:34,663 --> 00:40:38,372
He had the existence of his
child concealed from him.
884
00:40:38,534 --> 00:40:42,004
Then he was pressed into
service by this child's mother
885
00:40:42,571 --> 00:40:44,608
to do what she
couldn't do for herself.
886
00:40:45,107 --> 00:40:47,519
Finally, he was
betrayed by this woman,
887
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:50,083
who, having used him,
now turned on him.
888
00:40:50,379 --> 00:40:54,850
Robert Kelley accompanied Celia Goddard
in an attempt to get her child back.
889
00:40:55,351 --> 00:40:57,160
Naive? Certainly.
890
00:40:57,686 --> 00:40:59,529
Misguided? That, too.
891
00:41:00,456 --> 00:41:02,902
Manslaughter?
Not even close.
892
00:41:05,027 --> 00:41:07,837
What we have heard here,
in the way of proof,
893
00:41:08,197 --> 00:41:10,438
is conjecture by a prosecutor,
894
00:41:10,933 --> 00:41:13,072
and the self-serving
declarations of a woman
895
00:41:13,135 --> 00:41:15,240
who cut a deal
to save her own neck.
896
00:41:15,871 --> 00:41:18,010
Based on that, and only that,
897
00:41:18,574 --> 00:41:21,578
are you to conclude
beyond a reasonable doubt
898
00:41:21,744 --> 00:41:23,655
that Bradford Mandel's death
899
00:41:23,712 --> 00:41:26,522
was not the tragic,
unforeseen consequence
900
00:41:26,582 --> 00:41:29,188
of an emotional exchange
between two men,
901
00:41:30,186 --> 00:41:34,191
but rather the result of a planned
attack by a homophobic bully?
902
00:41:36,025 --> 00:41:38,164
See Robert Kelley
for who he is.
903
00:41:38,928 --> 00:41:41,431
A decent law-abiding man,
904
00:41:42,565 --> 00:41:45,569
manipulated into circumstances
that got out of control.
905
00:41:46,635 --> 00:41:48,410
See him for who he is.
906
00:41:48,737 --> 00:41:50,683
A parent, like any other.
907
00:41:51,674 --> 00:41:54,917
See him for who he is,
judge him fairly,
908
00:41:56,579 --> 00:41:58,183
and let him go free.
909
00:42:09,091 --> 00:42:10,798
The central fact in this case
910
00:42:10,926 --> 00:42:14,237
is that the defendant
couldn't stand the thought
911
00:42:14,296 --> 00:42:17,175
of two homosexual
men raising his child.
912
00:42:18,133 --> 00:42:19,942
What this trial is about
913
00:42:20,436 --> 00:42:23,747
is whether that provides
a justification for a killing
914
00:42:24,139 --> 00:42:26,380
or the basis for a bias crime.
915
00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:29,487
Make no mistake,
916
00:42:30,212 --> 00:42:31,953
if you agree with the defense,
917
00:42:32,081 --> 00:42:35,255
what you're saying
is that Bradford Mandel
918
00:42:35,351 --> 00:42:36,853
deserved to die.
919
00:42:36,919 --> 00:42:39,092
That somehow his
beating was justified
920
00:42:39,455 --> 00:42:43,801
because gay couples
have no right to be parents.
921
00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:47,641
That the simple fact
that he was homosexual
922
00:42:47,863 --> 00:42:49,536
justifies homicide.
923
00:42:49,965 --> 00:42:51,706
Because that's what this was.
924
00:42:51,934 --> 00:42:55,279
Not just based on
Celia Goddard's testimony
925
00:42:55,804 --> 00:42:58,944
but on the report
of the Medical Examiner
926
00:42:59,074 --> 00:43:03,318
which states unequivocally that
Mr. Mandel was kicked and beaten to death
927
00:43:03,445 --> 00:43:06,255
long after he was able
to put up any resistance.
928
00:43:07,149 --> 00:43:08,992
When no one else
wanted this baby,
929
00:43:10,619 --> 00:43:12,826
Mr. Mandel
and Mr. Albers did.
930
00:43:14,056 --> 00:43:16,627
When this child was
labeled a drug baby,
931
00:43:17,626 --> 00:43:20,732
only they were courageous
enough to ignore the stigma.
932
00:43:22,932 --> 00:43:24,468
And most importantly,
933
00:43:25,434 --> 00:43:28,608
when this little baby's life
hung in the balance,
934
00:43:29,004 --> 00:43:33,180
it was their love
and their singular devotion
935
00:43:33,909 --> 00:43:35,252
which saved him.
936
00:43:35,711 --> 00:43:40,751
It's that love, they claim justifies
Mr. Mandel's being beaten to death.
937
00:43:43,752 --> 00:43:46,790
I hope you will decide it
deserves better than that.
938
00:43:54,063 --> 00:43:55,974
Has the jury
reached its verdict?
939
00:43:56,064 --> 00:43:57,236
FOREWOMAN: We have.
940
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,943
On the charge of Manslaughter
in the First Degree,
941
00:44:00,002 --> 00:44:01,811
we find the defendant guilty.
942
00:44:03,772 --> 00:44:05,683
JUDGE: As to the
special circumstances?
943
00:44:05,774 --> 00:44:08,448
We determine the basis of the
crime to be a hate crime.
944
00:44:25,761 --> 00:44:27,172
Mr. Albers,
945
00:44:32,301 --> 00:44:34,542
I don't know
what to say to you.
946
00:44:36,071 --> 00:44:39,450
I hope that maybe someday
you'll tell Dylan about me.
947
00:44:40,342 --> 00:44:43,414
Just so he knows he has a
mom who cares about him.
948
00:44:44,746 --> 00:44:47,659
I imagine one day
you'll tell him yourself.
949
00:44:48,951 --> 00:44:50,658
Excuse me.
950
00:44:50,708 --> 00:44:55,258
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