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NARRATOR:
Jacques Vallée.
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Astronomer.
Computer scientist.
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Best-selling author.
Internet pioneer.
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And world-renowned
UFO researcher.
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GEORGE KNAPP: I think he's
the most important thinker
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the topic has ever had.
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NARRATOR: Jacques Vallée
was one of the first to suggest
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the UFO phenomenon
dates back thousands of years.
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GIORGIO A. TSOUKALOS:
Jacques Vallée
asked the question,
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these ancient stories
that we have,
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are they identical to
modern-day UFO phenomenon?
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NARRATOR:
And his bold theories
dare to challenge
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not only our notions
of extraterrestrial life,
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but of the universe itself.
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There are very few concepts
that are standard
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in every part
of human civilization.
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UFOs are,
and they are across time.
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This is real,
and it's important.
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NARRATOR:
There is a doorway
in the universe.
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Beyond it is
the promise of truth.
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It demands
we question everything
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we have ever been taught.
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The evidence is all around us.
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The future is
right before our eyes.
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We are not alone.
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We have never been alone.
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NARRATOR:
In 1952, the United States
government launched its first
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major investigation
into the UFO phenomenon,
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called Project Blue Book.
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More than five decades later,
in 2007,
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the government initiated
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its second serious UFO project
called "The Advanced Aviation
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Threat Identification Program,"
or AATIP.
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There is only one man
who was a key contributor
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to both of these efforts,
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and he remains at the forefront
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of UFO research, even today:
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Dr. Jacques Vallée.
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PAUL HYNEK: I don't know of
anybody else like Jacques Vallée
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in the UFO field.
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He brings scientific background,
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artificial intelligence,
computer engineering training,
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and insatiable curiosity
to the phenomenon.
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He has degrees in
mathematics and astrophysics,
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and a PhD in computer science.
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And his ideas have had
such a tremendous impact
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on ufology as a serious subject.
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It validates its study
among academics.
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Jacques Vallée is,
in my estimation,
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not only the deepest thinker,
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but the best writer to
ever tackle the UFO mystery.
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He's the author of
several seminal books,
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deeply influential in the field.
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He's helped to sort of expand
what we think of
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as the UFO world.
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TSOUKALOS:
He's one of the first people
that asked the question
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is it possible that these
ancient stories that we have,
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are they identical
to what we see
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with the modern-day
UFO phenomenon?
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RICHARD DOLAN:
I honestly believe if you look
at the whole history of just
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UFO researchers, you could
really say that Jacques Vallée
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is the most brilliant
of them all.
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JACQUES VALLÉE:
Still, people ask me,
"Do you believe in UFOs?"
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Well, you shouldn't wonder
if you want to be
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a believer or a non-believer.
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As a scientist, I mean,
there are reports of UFOs,
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and I want to study
those reports
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to see if there is a pattern,
and what that pattern
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would tell me about
what is happening,
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and how we could design
a methodology to study it.
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This is pure science.
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NARRATOR:
As one of the first people
to suggest
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that UFOs are not only
a modern-day phenomenon,
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Jacques Vallée is considered
a pioneer by both ufologists
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and ancient astronaut
theorists alike.
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For Vallée, UFOs have
been a lifelong passion.
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One that was sparked
by his very own close encounter.
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On a bright afternoon
in this small town
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30 miles northwest of Paris,
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15-year-old Jacques Vallée
comes running out of his house
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when he hears his mother
calling out from the garden.
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I saw an object that,
to this day, you know,
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I have to say was a UFO.
It was a very clear disc.
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It was in the direction
of the church of the city.
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This was not any airplane
that you could imagine.
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So the next day, I spoke
to a friend of mine from, uh,
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the college,
and he had seen it, too.
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His house was about half
a mile up the hill from us,
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and he had looked
at it with binoculars,
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and I asked him to draw it.
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And what he drew was exactly
the same thing I saw.
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DOLAN:
What was interesting is that
Jacques Vallée has his friend
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draw what he sees.
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Very, you know, good
investigative technique there.
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So you could really see,
even as a young man,
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he was approaching this
as rationally
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and scientifically
as you're able to do.
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And that's a path
that he has always followed.
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NARRATOR:
The encounter had a profound
effect on young Jacques Vallée,
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who went on to study
mathematics and astrophysics
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before being hired to
work as an astronomer
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at the Paris Observatory
in 1961.
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While there, he took advantage
of the observatory's computer
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to advance his UFO research,
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comparing data from reports
all over the world.
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VALLÉE:
I started using the computer
to find out
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about patterns among UFOs.
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And that's when
I really became interested
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and felt that I could make
a contribution.
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And after that, I was recruited
by the University of Texas.
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They knew exactly what I had
been doing with the computer,
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and that, uh, they said,
you know, that I could use
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the computer in Austin to work,
to look for UFO patterns.
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So this was, uh,
very exciting after that.
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NARRATOR:
In 1962, Vallée moved
to Austin, Texas
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to work with astronomers
mapping the planet Mars.
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But his plans soon changed
when he got
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an opportunity to meet
Dr. J. Allen Hynek.
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Dr. Hynek was the chairman of
the astronomy department
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at Northwestern University.
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But more importantly
to Jacques Vallée,
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he was also
the scientific advisor
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for one of the first
government task forces
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to investigate the UFO
phenomenon: "Project Blue Book."
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Begun in March of 1952,
the classified
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U.S. Air Force project studied
UFO reports and sightings
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to determine whether they were
a threat to national security.
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My wife and I flew from Austin
to Chicago and met with Hynek.
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And I had brought
some of my database records
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of close encounter cases
in Europe,
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and especially in France.
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And the statistics
I had done from the database
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on the computer from Austin.
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And Dr. Hynek was
very interested
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because, of course,
the Air Force was
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accumulating records,
under Project Blue Book.
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NARRATOR:
At the age of 24,
Jacques Vallée began working
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as an aide for Hynek
on Project Blue Book,
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and spent four years
going through
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the 20,000 UFO cases on file.
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Dr. Hynek said as an astronomer,
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you're supposed to be curious.
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You are not there
just to explain things
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to the public.
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You are there to...
to look at the mysteries.
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And if there is a mystery,
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that's your job, to document it,
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to try to do the work for it.
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NICK POPE:
Hynek became Vallée's mentor,
and clearly Hynek
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recognized something
in Jacques Vallée.
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He said, wow, you know,
here's a smart person,
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a scientist, fellow scientist
interested in,
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knowledgeable about,
and passionate about UFOs,
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but wanting to apply
exactly the sort of scientific
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methodology that Hynek was,
of course, interested in.
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So the two men became
colleagues, and indeed friends.
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NARRATOR:
According to J. Allen Hynek's
son Paul,
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Vallée became
his father's most trusted ally.
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PAUL HYNEK:
There were a parade
of graduate students
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and fellow professors
at our house all the time.
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And yet I could see
this special fondness
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and reverence my father had
for Jacques.
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Jacques became
an invaluable friend
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and colleague of my father,
somebody who my father deeply
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respected, who was unflinchingly
honest about the phenomena.
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And I would say courageous
about pushing the boundaries
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of mainstream science out
just a little bit further.
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AUBEK:
The collaboration of two men
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of such impeccable
scientific qualifications
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enriched the field
beyond belief.
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This was a defining moment
in the history of ufology.
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NARRATOR:
Together, Jacques Vallée
and J. Allen Hynek
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not only helped
to legitimize the study of UFOs,
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but they also became
convinced that the objects
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being witnessed are
not of man-made origin.
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And one case that made
a bigger impression
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than all the rest involved
an enormous craft,
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a landing,
and even alien beings.
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NARRATOR:
While working towards PhDs
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in both industrial engineering
and computer science,
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Jacques Vallée encourages
his mentor J. Allen Hynek
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to consider investigating
not only reports
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of objects in the sky
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but also evidence on the ground.
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VALLÉE:
I kept talking to him
about landings,
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which, he called it
"close encounters,"
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and the term stuck, of course.
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I just called it "landings,"
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where there were traces in--
on-on the ground and so on
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that could be
looked at physically.
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And then he said, "But you go
through the Air Force files,
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and you're going to see
very, very few landings."
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And I said, "Well,
let me go through the files
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and I'll show you
some landings."
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The reason they didn't show up
was they were all explained
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as aberrations
or hallucinations.
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But you would find
very credible witnesses,
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and you would find traces.
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And the thing that clinched it
was the case
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in Socorro, New Mexico.
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In Socorro,
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not only was there a landing,
there were beings.
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NARRATOR:
Socorro, New Mexico,
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April 24, 1964,
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5:45 p.m.
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While chasing a speeding car,
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police sergeant Lonnie Zamora
hears a thunderous roar
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and sees a flame in the sky
to the southwest.
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Thinking a local dynamite shack
might have exploded,
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Zamora leaves the chase
to investigate.
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(insects chirping)
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POPE:
Lonnie Zamora sees something.
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A landed craft,
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essentially egg-shaped.
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He sees some figures,
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and he says afterwards
they were either
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big children or small adults,
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which, again,
raises the question,
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were these extraterrestrials,
as many believe?
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Suddenly,
when he got reasonably close,
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they got back in
and this thing took off.
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Zamora examined the area
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with fellow
police sergeant Sam Chavez.
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Both officers documented
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that the brush was burning
in several places
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and the object had left
four perpendicular impressions
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on the ground.
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Dozens of other investigators
arrived on the scene
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shortly after the incident
and in the days that followed.
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VALLÉE:
You had, actually,
four levels of investigation.
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You had the Socorro cops,
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you had the FBI
happened to be there,
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you had the security detail
from the airfield
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and you had
special investigations
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with the Air Force,
sending Dr. Hynek.
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And that became part
of Project Blue Book
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as an "unidentified"
by all the investigators
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who had been there.
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Jacques told me
that it was this case
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that was more or less the straw
that broke the camel's back
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that made my father
feel comfortable
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speaking about beings
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as opposed to just crafts
in public.
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VALLÉE:
It was a difficult transition
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for Dr. Hynek
to admit that, yes,
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not only were landings important
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but they were
the greatest source
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of actual physical data
that you could take to the lab.
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NARRATOR:
For Jacques Vallée,
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collecting data is the key
to solving the UFO mystery.
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As part of his effort
to create a global UFO database,
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Vallée, with the help
from Dr. Hynek,
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began building an international
network of scientists
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investigating the phenomenon.
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They called themselves
the Invisible College,
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taking the name from a group
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of 18th-century
European scholars.
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VALLÉE:
This was similar
to what happened
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in the 18th century, uh,
with the Invisible College.
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And they did
a lot of early astronomy,
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early physics, chemistry,
biology and so on.
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And the only reason they were
not hung or killed as witches
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was because they were
protected by the king.
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Dr. Hynek thought
we were sort of the, uh,
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the new iteration
of the Invisible College.
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People like Costa de Beauregard
in France,
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like Professor Chauvin
in France,
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were internationally known
in their fields,
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uh, biology, relativity
and so on.
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But they were very interested
in talking about UFOs with us.
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Of course, this was very secret.
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The Invisible College
began in Dr. Hynek's home,
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where, weekly or monthly,
he would have scientists
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from all around the world
visit his house,
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and there, they would discuss
the UFO topic.
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But they all were sworn
to secrecy, because at the time,
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you couldn't talk about it
in seriousness,
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especially
in the world of academia.
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NARRATOR:
Although most members
of the Invisible College
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remained anonymous,
Jacques Vallée did not,
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and in 1965, he published
Anatomy of a Phenomenon,
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one of the earliest books
written about the UFO subject
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by a scientist.
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DOLAN:
Anatomy of a Phenomenon
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was a very, very
strong compilation
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of these UFO reports
at that time.
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He's looking at the data,
organizing it.
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It really made his name
in the UFO field.
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NARRATOR:
But as Vallée
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was forging his reputation
in the field of ufology,
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the U.S. government
was looking for a way
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to end its UFO investigations.
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In 1966, the so-called
Condon Committee,
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led by physicist Edward Condon,
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was commissioned
by the U.S. Air Force
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to assess whether
to continue funding studies
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like Project Blue Book.
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DOLAN:
Their job, supposedly,
was to make
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a determination,
scientifically, is this real,
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is this not real,
what should the Air Force do,
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should the Air Force drop
Project Blue Book?
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And the answer is,
"Nothing to it."
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It's not worthy of further
scientific investigation.
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VALLÉE:
When the Condon study began,
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it became obvious
that it was rigged
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to give a negative conclusion.
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I didn't want to stay
in the U.S.
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under those conditions.
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I thought, "If that's
what science is in America,
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we don't belong in America."
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NARRATOR:
After a disappointing end to
his time at Project Blue Book,
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Jacques Vallée moved back
to Paris with his wife and son.
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But as backlash
against UFO research
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spread in the public sphere
of science and academics,
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Jacques Vallée would develop
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his most profound
UFO theory yet:
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that aliens
have always been among us.
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NARRATOR:
30-year-old Jacques Vallée
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is working as an engineer
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for the Royal Dutch Shell
oil and gas company
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when civil unrest
erupts throughout France.
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Triggered by a series
of student protests
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against capitalism
and consumerism,
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the unrest leads
to a nationwide strike.
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Essentially,
there were three months
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during which no work was done.
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So, I could go back
to my own research interests,
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uh, full-time.
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I collected a number of books
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in areas that I had wanted
to look at for a-a long time.
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And the question, which is
really a scientific question,
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is-- so, we have UFOs,
you know, and UFO waves--
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when did that really start?
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NARRATOR:
Vallée discovered that accounts
of mysterious objects in the sky
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weren't limited
to contemporary reports.
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In fact, the more he dug
into the origins
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of the UFO phenomenon,
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the further back in time
he went.
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VALLÉE:
There is a lot of literature
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from the Muslim world
about, uh, jinn
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and about other creatures
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created by God, but...
a-along with men and animals.
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So, I started l-looking at this,
and what dawned on me
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was that you could
go back in history,
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and people will interpret it
in religious terms
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as either evil or...
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angels or religious apparitions.
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POPE:
Jacques Vallée noticed
some connections
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between modern-day UFO sightings
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and ancient folkloric tales
of strange lights
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and even entity encounters.
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And he said, look, this
could be the same phenomenon,
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but just people use
different words
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according to their language,
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according
to their belief systems.
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VALLÉE:
I looked especially in Europe.
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So many of those were fairy
tales that I had heard as a kid.
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It turns out they come
from real observations.
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A few folklore experts
in the 19th century
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and early 20th century,
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in Ireland and, uh,
Wales and Scotland,
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had gone around
collecting actual reports
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of people encountering,
not just little people,
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but little people
with strange contraptions.
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Strange houses where you would
lose your sense of time.
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You would come out
and years would've passed.
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And so you are beginning to see
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that these people
were confronted
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with another race,
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that there was
communication with it.
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TSOUKALOS:
Jacques Vallée realized
that many of the stories
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that we have
of in the Middle Ages
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of trolls and fairy folk
and things like that,
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it reminded him
of similar stories
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that we have today
in the UFO world.
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So, he asked the question,
is it possible
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that these ancient stories
that we have,
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are they identical
to what we see
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with the modern-day
UFO phenomenon?
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NARRATOR: In 1969,
Jacques Vallée published
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the culmination of this research
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in a book titled
Passport to Magonia,
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named for the fabled
cloud realm detailed
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in medieval French folklore.
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TSOUKALOS:
In that book,
he describes that perhaps
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some of those old stories
and legends of fairy folk
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are not necessarily made up,
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but that they may
be descriptions
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of visiting extraterrestrials
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that our ancestors then
interpreted as fairy folk.
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KNAPP: Passport to Magonia
was a game changer.
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To suggest that these things,
whatever they are,
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interact with humans
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throughout human history,
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on every continent,
in every culture.
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WILLIAM HENRY: At this time,
the primary thought
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about extraterrestrials
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was UFOs only started
showing up in 1947
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with
the Kenneth Arnold sighting.
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But Vallée is starting to see
that they've always been here,
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that they've shown up
in culture after culture,
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and saying that this phenomena
has always been with us.
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NARRATOR:
With Passport to Magonia,
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Jacques Vallée
became a seminal figure
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to not only ufologists,
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but also
ancient astronaut theorists.
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And his book came out
within just a few months
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of Swiss author
Erich von Danikën's
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Chariots of the Gods?,
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which also posed the possibility
that extraterrestrials
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had visited Earth
in the distant past.
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When you read the words
of Jacques Vallée,
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you can't help but be thinking
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of the work
of Erich Von Däniken.
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Chariots of the Gods?
and Passport to Magonia
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come to the same conclusion:
this is an ancient phenomenon.
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ERICH VON DÄNIKEN:
I adore some of the writings
of Jacques Vallée.
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He's a brilliant man.
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And of course,
out there in the universe,
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there might be different forms
of extraterrestrial,
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not only a human form.
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They might be small beings,
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bigger beings, giants.
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We have no idea.
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We have no idea.
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NARRATOR:
Ancient astronaut theorists
cite Magonia
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as one of many instances
when Jacques Vallée
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found himself
at the forefront of UFO research
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pushing the boundaries
of what many deemed possible.
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But his most groundbreaking
theories were still to come.
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Theories that would
challenge our understanding
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of not just UFOs,
but the entire cosmos.
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NARRATOR:
Jacques Vallée is recruited by
the National Science Foundation
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to work as
a principal investigator
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on a project known as ARPANET.
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It was here
where he helped build
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the first public computer
network ever developed.
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And it is considered by many
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to be the forerunner
of the Internet.
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ARPA was the Advanced Research
Project Agency of the Pentagon.
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There were 15 computing centers
at universities.
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At Stanford Research Institute,
we had site number two,
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the second computer
on the Internet.
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I ran one of the projects
of many
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and we implemented the first
computer conferencing systems
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when the ARPANET was going
to turn into the Internet.
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This is an incredible part
of-of Vallée's story.
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He goes to Silicon Valley
and becomes amazingly successful
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in the early days of ARPANET.
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NARRATOR:
While working as a senior
research engineer at Stanford,
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on his own time, Vallée
continued to compile reports
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on unidentified
aerial phenomena.
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And the more information
he gathered,
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the more he began to question
the very nature of UFOs.
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What I found
was that the ufologists
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were still talking about UFOs
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like they were
advanced airplanes.
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Well, that ignores pretty much
everything that UFOs do.
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Whatever propulsion there is,
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is certainly not anything
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that we account for
in our equations.
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And you ask the witnesses,
how fast did it go off?
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And they say, it lifted
and then it disappeared.
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And the interpretation is,
they turn on, you know,
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the afterburners
and they go boom.
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You know, and you
don't see them anymore.
468
00:26:57,375 --> 00:26:58,708
That's not true.
469
00:27:00,042 --> 00:27:03,542
HENRY:
Vallée came to believe,
based on the evidence
470
00:27:03,708 --> 00:27:05,167
that he saw
in the literary tradition,
471
00:27:05,333 --> 00:27:06,500
and as well as what
he's seeing in the sightings
472
00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:08,083
and the documentation,
473
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:10,000
that perhaps what we're
actually dealing with
474
00:27:10,167 --> 00:27:12,292
is an interdimensional
phenomenon,
475
00:27:12,458 --> 00:27:14,542
and that extraterrestrials
476
00:27:14,708 --> 00:27:17,083
are in fact
coming from other dimensions.
477
00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:20,083
CHRISSY NEWTON:
Jacques Vallée was one
of the first scientists
478
00:27:20,208 --> 00:27:23,167
to ever bring in
a multi-dimensional theory
479
00:27:23,292 --> 00:27:25,500
in context with the UFO topic.
480
00:27:25,708 --> 00:27:27,167
Jacques was ahead of his time,
481
00:27:27,375 --> 00:27:29,167
and he's open-minded enough
as a scientist
482
00:27:29,292 --> 00:27:31,167
to be able to go there
483
00:27:31,333 --> 00:27:32,750
and be very passionate about it.
484
00:27:33,833 --> 00:27:35,917
TSOUKALOS:
Jacques Vallée
changed his opinion
485
00:27:36,083 --> 00:27:39,167
from nuts-and-bolts spacecraft
486
00:27:39,375 --> 00:27:42,167
to it being that we
live in a multiverse.
487
00:27:42,292 --> 00:27:46,667
And that multiple existences are
happening all at the same time.
488
00:27:46,875 --> 00:27:49,000
And some of the UFO sightings
489
00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:53,500
might be these blips
of these civilizations
490
00:27:53,625 --> 00:27:56,750
being able to move
between dimensions.
491
00:27:58,083 --> 00:28:00,792
VALLÉE:
The idea that we
are in a universe
492
00:28:00,917 --> 00:28:05,083
that has more than three
or four dimensions with time,
493
00:28:05,208 --> 00:28:10,500
that's passé for physics going
back to, you know, 50 years ago.
494
00:28:10,708 --> 00:28:13,583
I talk to scientists
and to physicists,
495
00:28:13,708 --> 00:28:17,000
and they tell me
that essentially
496
00:28:17,208 --> 00:28:21,667
space and time
are human perceptions.
497
00:28:21,833 --> 00:28:25,542
That's where physics stands now.
498
00:28:25,708 --> 00:28:28,250
This doesn't come
from the UFO people,
499
00:28:28,417 --> 00:28:29,792
it comes from hard physics.
500
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,833
And I think part of my job,
501
00:28:33,042 --> 00:28:36,333
I'm not a good enough physicist
502
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:39,083
to contribute to those ideas,
503
00:28:39,208 --> 00:28:43,667
but I can bring fuel to the...
to the discussion.
504
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,083
NARRATOR:
Jacques Vallée shared his idea
505
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:50,042
of interdimensional travelers
with his former colleague
506
00:28:50,208 --> 00:28:52,875
and longtime friend,
J. Allen Hynek.
507
00:28:53,042 --> 00:28:57,333
And together, they published
the theory in the 1975 book,
508
00:28:57,542 --> 00:28:59,917
The Edge of Reality.
509
00:29:00,917 --> 00:29:02,542
MICHIO KAKU:
Mr. Vallée opened the door
510
00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:06,125
to a new kind of ufology,
511
00:29:06,292 --> 00:29:09,333
not just little green men
with flying saucers
512
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:10,833
landing on the White House lawn,
513
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,125
but creatures
from another dimension.
514
00:29:14,292 --> 00:29:16,292
Creatures that can
go through doorways
515
00:29:16,458 --> 00:29:18,167
and go between universes.
516
00:29:19,375 --> 00:29:21,958
NARRATOR:
Vallée and Hynek's
controversial ideas
517
00:29:22,083 --> 00:29:24,583
captured the imagination
of the public.
518
00:29:24,708 --> 00:29:27,458
And not long after
the book was released,
519
00:29:27,583 --> 00:29:29,083
they also caught the attention
520
00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:32,250
of Hollywood's
most celebrated new filmmaker:
521
00:29:32,417 --> 00:29:34,000
Steven Spielberg.
522
00:29:34,167 --> 00:29:36,000
I'm convinced that there's
something going on,
523
00:29:36,208 --> 00:29:38,208
but no one really knows
what it is.
524
00:29:38,417 --> 00:29:40,833
Uh, Dr. Hynek certainly
d-doesn't know what it is.
525
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,667
I have theories,
he has theories.
526
00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:44,667
No one really can put
their finger on it.
527
00:29:44,833 --> 00:29:47,125
If-if they could, the mystery
would be solved.
528
00:29:48,708 --> 00:29:52,458
Jacques Vallée's influence
was so profound
529
00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:56,000
that he came to the attention
of director Steven Spielberg.
530
00:29:56,167 --> 00:29:58,750
Vallée is the model
for the character
531
00:29:58,958 --> 00:30:01,167
of Claude Lacombe,
the French scientist
532
00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:04,125
that we see in Close Encounters
of the Third Kind.
533
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:07,333
VALLÉE: I heard of it
through Dr. Hynek
534
00:30:07,542 --> 00:30:10,917
that one of the characters
was based on me.
535
00:30:11,042 --> 00:30:15,167
And then there was
a-a reporter in-in Hollywood,
536
00:30:15,375 --> 00:30:20,125
they invited Steven Spielberg
to lunch with us.
537
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:25,333
And t-the three of us had
a conversation about the movie
538
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:28,792
and he confirmed that
they wanted a scientist
539
00:30:28,917 --> 00:30:31,792
who would be from another
culture, and not American,
540
00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:34,333
but from another culture,
and would think about it
541
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,125
in different ways.
542
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:40,667
And Steven Spielberg told me
he had read my first books,
543
00:30:40,833 --> 00:30:44,375
Anatomy of a Phenomenon,
was published in '65,
544
00:30:44,542 --> 00:30:49,083
which meant he was studying
the subject way back.
545
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,333
It was wonderful because
546
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:54,500
usually in Hollywood, you know,
547
00:30:54,708 --> 00:30:56,833
the aliens come down
and they start shooting.
548
00:30:57,042 --> 00:30:58,833
And-and that's not
what he wanted to do.
549
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,250
He wanted to show
the interaction,
550
00:31:01,417 --> 00:31:03,958
the human contact.
551
00:31:05,375 --> 00:31:09,000
NARRATOR:
Grossing over $300 million
worldwide,
552
00:31:09,208 --> 00:31:12,542
Close Encounters became
a blockbuster hit
553
00:31:12,708 --> 00:31:14,375
and sparked
greater public interest
554
00:31:14,542 --> 00:31:17,792
in both the UFO mystery
and Jacques Vallée.
555
00:31:17,958 --> 00:31:21,500
And in the decades to come,
Vallée would once again
556
00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:26,000
find himself at the center
of a secret UFO investigation
557
00:31:26,167 --> 00:31:29,208
run by the U.S. government.
558
00:31:38,167 --> 00:31:41,375
NARRATOR: As the end
of the 20th century approaches,
559
00:31:41,542 --> 00:31:45,625
French scientist and astronomer
Jacques Vallée turns his focus
560
00:31:45,792 --> 00:31:47,875
to funding
emerging technologies,
561
00:31:48,042 --> 00:31:50,625
spearheading advancements
562
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:52,667
in everything
from wireless networks
563
00:31:52,792 --> 00:31:55,583
to biotech and nanotechnology.
564
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:58,167
Vallée is also interested
565
00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:02,083
in bringing ufology
into a new technological age
566
00:32:02,208 --> 00:32:06,083
and in 1995,
he gets his opportunity
567
00:32:06,250 --> 00:32:10,375
when he meets aerospace
entrepreneur Robert Bigelow.
568
00:32:12,125 --> 00:32:14,000
In the mid-1990s,
569
00:32:14,167 --> 00:32:18,333
billionaire Robert Bigelow
enters the UFO scene
570
00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:21,708
and he is funding
a civilian scientific effort--
571
00:32:21,875 --> 00:32:23,833
the National Institute
for Discovery Science--
572
00:32:23,958 --> 00:32:25,792
that's looking
into the phenomena
573
00:32:25,917 --> 00:32:27,500
and other related phenomena.
574
00:32:27,667 --> 00:32:28,833
And he brings together
575
00:32:29,042 --> 00:32:31,000
some of the very best
in the field.
576
00:32:31,208 --> 00:32:33,292
And of course, naturally, this
brings him to Jacques Vallée.
577
00:32:34,542 --> 00:32:37,833
VALLÉE: The research
that Mr. Bigelow funded was
578
00:32:38,042 --> 00:32:39,667
absolutely remarkable.
579
00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:41,792
You know, in science you have
580
00:32:41,917 --> 00:32:44,250
lots of good scientists
with good ideas.
581
00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:48,292
But you need somebody
who has a vision
582
00:32:48,458 --> 00:32:51,375
of where the enterprise
is going to go.
583
00:32:51,542 --> 00:32:55,833
Mr. Bigelow is just
a remarkable business leader.
584
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,625
KNAPP:
Bigelow created
his own UFO organization
585
00:32:58,750 --> 00:33:01,667
devoted to figuring out
the UFO mystery and he had
586
00:33:01,833 --> 00:33:03,083
this amazing group of people,
587
00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:04,625
and Jacques Vallée
was one of them.
588
00:33:06,042 --> 00:33:09,292
Those relationships became
seminal to the development
589
00:33:09,458 --> 00:33:12,333
of the UFO topic
in the decade since.
590
00:33:15,333 --> 00:33:16,833
NARRATOR:
Working with Bigelow,
591
00:33:16,958 --> 00:33:18,792
Vallée created
the most comprehensive
592
00:33:18,917 --> 00:33:21,750
UFO database in modern history.
593
00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:25,833
Called the Capella program,
it uses artificial intelligence
594
00:33:26,042 --> 00:33:30,083
to investigate patterns
behind the UFO phenomenon.
595
00:33:31,458 --> 00:33:34,292
TSOUKALOS: Dr. Vallée
has amassed a database
596
00:33:34,458 --> 00:33:38,667
consisting of
over 260,000 documents
597
00:33:38,833 --> 00:33:41,125
all UAP-related.
598
00:33:42,167 --> 00:33:45,542
Now, it took him
60 years almost to amass this.
599
00:33:45,708 --> 00:33:47,458
Perhaps we can use
600
00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:50,917
the new tools of AI,
for example, to crunch
601
00:33:51,042 --> 00:33:54,375
those 260,000 documents
once again.
602
00:33:55,417 --> 00:33:58,750
And maybe AI will
recognize some pattern.
603
00:33:59,792 --> 00:34:03,000
VALLÉE:
If you tell me about something
you've seen in the sky,
604
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:06,000
there are some possibilities
that will come to me.
605
00:34:06,208 --> 00:34:08,458
Maybe it's an airplane,
maybe it's a cloud.
606
00:34:08,625 --> 00:34:10,875
Maybe it's-it's
a reflection of the Moon.
607
00:34:11,042 --> 00:34:14,500
And there are
another 200 possibilities
608
00:34:14,667 --> 00:34:17,208
my brain isn't capable
of thinking of.
609
00:34:18,375 --> 00:34:20,000
AI can help.
610
00:34:20,875 --> 00:34:22,167
I'm a physicist,
611
00:34:22,292 --> 00:34:25,125
and step one of being
a physicist is
612
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:26,958
to collect the data.
613
00:34:27,083 --> 00:34:29,500
That's the first thing you do.
614
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:32,292
And that's what Vallée
has done here.
615
00:34:33,333 --> 00:34:35,292
HENRY:
Vallée is the very first
to apply computer science
616
00:34:35,458 --> 00:34:39,417
to the study of UFO sightings.
617
00:34:39,583 --> 00:34:40,917
And in every way is,
618
00:34:41,083 --> 00:34:45,125
is finding a-a way
to apply modern technology
619
00:34:45,292 --> 00:34:46,458
to the UFO phenomenon.
620
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:50,333
NARRATOR:
In December 2017,
621
00:34:50,542 --> 00:34:54,542
nearly a decade after Vallée
created the Capella database,
622
00:34:54,708 --> 00:34:57,500
a bombshell New York Times
article revealed
623
00:34:57,667 --> 00:35:01,333
that Robert Bigelow was part
of a secret military project
624
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,917
known as the Advanced Aerospace
Threat Identification Program,
625
00:35:05,083 --> 00:35:06,750
or AATIP.
626
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:12,500
The program was conducted
from 2007 to 2012,
627
00:35:12,667 --> 00:35:17,125
receiving $22 million
in Congressional funding.
628
00:35:17,292 --> 00:35:19,083
DOLAN:
This turned the whole
UFO world upside down.
629
00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:20,833
And people were
kind of blown away
630
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,542
because the U.S. government
had always said, "Uh, we don't,
631
00:35:22,708 --> 00:35:25,375
we have no interest in UFOs.
This is not a thing."
632
00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:27,667
What we have learned,
subsequently, is
633
00:35:27,833 --> 00:35:31,042
the AATIP program clearly was
using the Capella database,
634
00:35:31,208 --> 00:35:34,667
putting more money into it
and working to build it.
635
00:35:35,792 --> 00:35:40,167
So Vallée ended up having
a tremendous impact
636
00:35:40,292 --> 00:35:45,417
on this secret UFO program
that now we all know about.
637
00:35:46,708 --> 00:35:49,958
NARRATOR:
To many ufologists
across the world,
638
00:35:50,042 --> 00:35:52,042
the unmasking of AATIP
639
00:35:52,208 --> 00:35:54,333
and its use
of Vallée's Capella database
640
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,958
marked the beginning
of a new era.
641
00:35:57,125 --> 00:35:59,333
It was the first time
642
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:01,583
that the U.S. government
openly acknowledged
643
00:36:01,708 --> 00:36:04,750
the UFO issue since the end
of Project Blue Book
644
00:36:04,917 --> 00:36:06,542
more than 50 years earlier
645
00:36:06,708 --> 00:36:11,000
for which Jacques Vallée was
also a key contributor.
646
00:36:11,167 --> 00:36:14,333
HENRY:
And this is an incredible part
of Vallée's story,
647
00:36:14,417 --> 00:36:17,333
that beginning in the 1950s,
he's starting to create
648
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:20,000
databases of UFO sightings.
649
00:36:20,208 --> 00:36:24,042
2017 comes
this blockbuster report.
650
00:36:24,167 --> 00:36:25,667
He's almost like
651
00:36:25,875 --> 00:36:28,208
a passing-through character,
but yet here he is.
652
00:36:28,375 --> 00:36:31,083
And what's he doing?
Building a database.
653
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:32,667
Database, database, database.
654
00:36:32,833 --> 00:36:35,250
It's all about the accumulation
of these stories
655
00:36:35,417 --> 00:36:37,333
and the insights
that are contained within.
656
00:36:38,583 --> 00:36:41,458
VALLÉE:
Most contemporary data we have,
657
00:36:41,583 --> 00:36:43,708
unfortunately,
it's still classified.
658
00:36:44,875 --> 00:36:48,208
But we can already see a lot
from what we've done
659
00:36:48,375 --> 00:36:51,542
with smaller databases
that were public.
660
00:36:51,708 --> 00:36:54,083
I trust that the people
are doing a good job
661
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:55,667
of working with it.
662
00:36:56,667 --> 00:37:00,625
So we should have some
better answers in, in time.
663
00:37:02,125 --> 00:37:06,500
NARRATOR:
As ufology enters a new chapter
in the 21st century,
664
00:37:06,708 --> 00:37:10,000
Jacques Vallée remains
as relevant as ever.
665
00:37:10,167 --> 00:37:12,667
And he is now
lending his expertise
666
00:37:12,875 --> 00:37:14,500
to a groundbreaking effort
667
00:37:14,667 --> 00:37:18,375
to identify objects in space
that might be harboring...
668
00:37:18,542 --> 00:37:21,750
extraterrestrial technology.
669
00:37:32,208 --> 00:37:36,000
NARRATOR:
Harvard astronomer and
astrophysicist Avi Loeb launches
670
00:37:36,167 --> 00:37:40,250
a new scientific search for
extraterrestrial intelligence
671
00:37:40,417 --> 00:37:42,625
called the Galileo Project.
672
00:37:42,792 --> 00:37:45,667
KAKU:
Avi Loeb of Harvard is
a reputable scientist
673
00:37:45,875 --> 00:37:49,667
who made lots of waves
by talking about investigating
674
00:37:49,875 --> 00:37:52,792
extraterrestrial
civilizations' technology.
675
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,500
Professor Loeb says,
676
00:37:55,708 --> 00:37:58,958
"Why not monitor meteors
and things in outer space?"
677
00:37:59,125 --> 00:38:02,917
Perhaps one of them is remnants
of an advanced civilization.
678
00:38:03,042 --> 00:38:05,458
That's the Galileo Project.
679
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,708
NARRATOR:
Among the many experts
who are contributing
680
00:38:08,875 --> 00:38:11,750
to the Galileo Project
is Jacques Vallée.
681
00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:15,542
VALLÉE:
We know what equipment
we can deploy
682
00:38:15,708 --> 00:38:18,458
about objects that are
in the atmosphere.
683
00:38:18,542 --> 00:38:20,500
We want to know
if they are coming in
684
00:38:20,708 --> 00:38:23,333
and out of the atmosphere,
and where do they go?
685
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:26,833
Astronomers have been asking
those questions for a long time.
686
00:38:26,958 --> 00:38:30,417
With the Galileo Project,
I'm very thankful
687
00:38:30,542 --> 00:38:33,792
that I was able to work
with people who were
688
00:38:33,958 --> 00:38:38,167
just giving their-their time
and their life to this.
689
00:38:38,375 --> 00:38:40,833
It's just pure, pure science.
690
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:44,125
NARRATOR:
After nearly 70 years
691
00:38:44,292 --> 00:38:47,500
of investigating
and documenting UFOs...
692
00:38:48,542 --> 00:38:51,500
...from assisting J. Allen Hynek
on Project Blue Book
693
00:38:51,667 --> 00:38:54,333
to publishing
groundbreaking books
694
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:58,375
and creating the world's
largest UFO database...
695
00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:01,750
...Vallée is hopeful
that his work has brought
696
00:39:01,958 --> 00:39:05,667
humanity closer to solving
an age-old mystery,
697
00:39:05,833 --> 00:39:10,458
one that dates to the dawn
of recorded history.
698
00:39:10,583 --> 00:39:13,250
Jacques Vallée's contributions
699
00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:17,958
to the UFO field are
immeasurably valuable.
700
00:39:19,042 --> 00:39:22,500
He has been one of the people
to change the paradigm,
701
00:39:22,708 --> 00:39:26,000
and it has taken him
decades to do this.
702
00:39:27,042 --> 00:39:30,167
He's one of the first people
that looked at the data
703
00:39:30,375 --> 00:39:32,833
and said, "There's
something going on here
704
00:39:33,042 --> 00:39:36,750
and it certainly merits
more investigation."
705
00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:39,542
CHILDRESS:
What makes Vallée
706
00:39:39,708 --> 00:39:44,458
a unique figure in the whole
ufology scene is that
707
00:39:44,625 --> 00:39:47,375
he's a person whom everyone,
708
00:39:47,542 --> 00:39:52,000
the skeptics and the believers,
all take very seriously.
709
00:39:52,208 --> 00:39:54,500
KNAPP:
Jacques Vallée made
an impact on the world
710
00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:56,083
in so many different ways.
711
00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:57,625
He's a talented
science fiction writer.
712
00:39:57,792 --> 00:39:59,625
He's a talented novelist.
713
00:39:59,792 --> 00:40:01,333
He's a talented
computer scientist.
714
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,333
He was one of the earliest folks
715
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:06,167
to apply computer technology
to UFO world
716
00:40:06,375 --> 00:40:07,917
to figure out
how to organize data.
717
00:40:08,083 --> 00:40:11,000
Any conversation you have
with Jacques Vallée,
718
00:40:11,125 --> 00:40:12,750
any interview you do with him,
719
00:40:12,917 --> 00:40:14,625
he talks about the need
for more data.
720
00:40:14,708 --> 00:40:16,667
There's never enough data.
721
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,375
My father made a lot of people
feel more comfortable accepting
722
00:40:22,542 --> 00:40:24,875
the idea
that UFOs could be real.
723
00:40:25,917 --> 00:40:29,333
I think Jacques has taken
people even further
724
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:31,542
in getting them to question
725
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:34,792
the very origin
of the phenomena.
726
00:40:35,833 --> 00:40:39,167
POPE:
Jacques Vallée is
a hugely intelligent man.
727
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:42,333
He's a-a true
out-of-the-box thinker.
728
00:40:42,542 --> 00:40:44,167
When he started,
729
00:40:44,375 --> 00:40:47,458
a lot of the things that he was
saying were very fringe.
730
00:40:47,625 --> 00:40:48,958
They've now become mainstream.
731
00:40:50,042 --> 00:40:52,792
When the history
of this subject is written,
732
00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:56,333
Jacques Vallée's name
will be writ large,
733
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:58,042
and rightly so.
734
00:40:59,042 --> 00:41:00,833
NARRATOR:
For more than six decades,
735
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,125
Jacques Vallée has made
invaluable contributions
736
00:41:04,292 --> 00:41:06,625
to help solve the UFO mystery,
737
00:41:06,792 --> 00:41:10,500
and continues to even today.
738
00:41:10,667 --> 00:41:13,250
Will his lifetime
of incredible research
739
00:41:13,375 --> 00:41:15,167
and scientific exploration
740
00:41:15,292 --> 00:41:18,875
soon lead to real answers
about what has been happening
741
00:41:19,042 --> 00:41:22,125
in our skies
for thousands of years?
742
00:41:23,333 --> 00:41:25,125
Only time will tell.
743
00:41:26,375 --> 00:41:28,500
But one thing is certain:
744
00:41:28,708 --> 00:41:30,958
whenever we arrive at the truth,
745
00:41:31,125 --> 00:41:35,083
it will be largely due
to the work of Jacques Vallée.
746
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:36,917
I still haven't solved it.
747
00:41:37,083 --> 00:41:38,375
(laughs)
748
00:41:38,542 --> 00:41:40,750
Uh, but I felt that
749
00:41:40,917 --> 00:41:43,375
in my life, I would not be able
750
00:41:43,542 --> 00:41:46,292
to make a contribution
at the right level
751
00:41:46,458 --> 00:41:50,167
to influence finding the answer.
752
00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:52,667
I've made a contribution
753
00:41:52,875 --> 00:41:57,000
alongside with a number
of very, very bright people,
754
00:41:57,208 --> 00:41:59,000
um,
755
00:41:59,167 --> 00:42:02,750
and all you can hope in science
is to make one contribution.
756
00:42:04,292 --> 00:42:08,167
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