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Hey everybody, welcome back to Plug Talk.

My name is Adam22.

I'm here joined by my lovely green fiance, Lenna the Plug.

He just told me I look like a plant

and I'm still laughing about it.

Let's go.

And of course right next to us,

we have the beautiful legend in the game.

Romy Rain is in the building.

How you doing?

I'm doing really good.

How are you doing?

Very, very excited to have you in here.

I feel like we finally got somebody who's got some chops.

I know she's been around the block.

She's experienced.

She knows what's going on.

You calling me a whore?

No.

I could have said that if I wanted to say that.

She's been around the block.

All right.

I like that.

That would be an insult in a lot of walks of life

when talking about a woman's sexual activity.

But in the porn world, it's like, no, that's a good thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm excited to be here.

I know.

I really hung out.

It's been a long time since we saw her, which you're hosting

that you're at ADN when we saw you.

Yeah, in 2019.

And then we talked a little bit early pandemic

about maybe getting together and then that.

I know.

I'm a crush to all of our sex dreams.

But here you are now.

Yay.

I'm excited.

No, I was waiting.

I was waiting for this moment in all honesty.

Yeah.

Definitely.

Thank you for having me.

You're still horny after all these years?

Yes.

Especially kind of lately because you haven't really

been able to do much in the past couple of years.

So I feel like I had a nice little break.

And I'm like, I'm single right now.

So I'm very excited when I finally get to touch people again.

It's been a minute.

I feel like I'm starved.

How long have you been single for?

A while now.

I think about a little over nine months.

OK.

You know?

A long time.

I mean, I guess I kind of like being single, too.

So I'm like, no, no, no, I'm still.

Do you not operate well single?

You know, you said you liked it.

I like being single.

What's being single like for you, though?

Are you finding guys about the pool?

Or where do you find these dudes?

You know, I don't know.

I can be single for a while.

That's why I really like shooting and being around people

because I like controlled chaos.

I like kind of when I feel in the mood for something.

And then when I'm not in the mood,

I really love to be left the fuck alone.

I love my space and my own energy.

And I don't have people to disturb that.

I hate controlling people.

So I'm like, anytime somebody tells me what to do,

I get immediately turned off.

A lot of people assume that porn stars

are all party animals and they all want to be

in the club all the time.

The vast majority of porn stars that I know

are kind of home bodies.

And if you were to ask them what the number one thing

they like about being a porn star is,

is that you get to go do your job

and then you get to go be in your house.

And you don't necessarily have to be mega social.

I don't think I know any girls.

And then the friended over the years

who ever really goes to the club.

Like it's just you.

It definitely is.

They're just slipping your mind.

There's definitely a lot out there.

I don't know.

I just feel like it's not like the mode.

But you're right.

It's like people assume that about those girls,

but it's just hard workers is why I know

the girls to be like the professional girls.

Like the long term girls, like they have goals.

And it's like, you're not just gonna give it away

to some random dude at like a bar.

Like, you, I don't think I've ever actually had a one night stand.

Everybody that I fucked, I fucked at least twice

unless it was like shooting it for content.

So you can fuck them the first night you meet them,

but then you're gonna do it again.

Yes. Yes.

I definitely fuck people the same day that I met them.

But like, if the sex is good,

I usually want to have it again at least once.

Okay, but you fuck a random guy.

He's got a three inch dick.

He comes in 30 seconds.

Then no, I'm sorry.

I am not weird.

No, I am a size queen.

That is something very porn about me.

We found a size queen.

Is that bad?

Some people don't like that.

Adam Hays said I'm a size queen.

Well, she's just been freaking out about this.

Jesse Williams guy's dick getting leaked.

I haven't seen it.

I'll show you later.

Okay. No, yeah.

Let's not get into it.

I'm gonna do it.

I'm gonna do it all the news by the time this comes out.

I'm gonna show you some we dick.

What year are you from?

Let's start there.

I'm from Boston, Dorchester, really.

Whoa.

I've been around.

I've been around the block in Massachusetts too.

Wow.

Yeah.

Ever been?

I'm one of the most famous porn stuff in Dorchester.

I'm gonna go out on the line.

Probably.

I'm from Nashua, New Hampshire.

Oh, nice.

New Hampshire.

How are you from?

Where are you from?

Atlanta.

Me out from here.

Are you really?

Yeah, I wanted you to start talking in a Boston accent

right back to her.

I know I love that.

I'm waiting for it.

I'm like, give it to me.

Listen, like I grew up talking the way that I talk.

I don't like to necessarily like stigmatize the local dialect

because so many people like to make fun of it.

And to talk like that growing up.

Well, to be real, I don't barely even notice it

because it's just super fucking normal to me.

And I still, I notice, especially when I hang out

with people from New England that it just comes out

way more intensely, but I don't really like the parody.

My culture, you know.

My people.

That'd be like, oh, you're from Africa

and you start doing a bunch of people.

What the fuck?

It's like, yeah, I mean, even if you're from somewhere

where they talk like that, you don't gotta like

make a joke out of it.

Every time I'm with my family, you have to comment

on how we're speaking to each other.

So fuck you.

These are most.

I mean, I like the way I like that.

I don't think it's the same thing.

Like, what we were just saying.

Just like we all, I guess we all say like,

the things are bomb.

We all describe things.

That's just one little piece of it, yeah.

We say wicked.

Like that's wicked awesome.

Yeah, I'd never heard that until I started dating him.

And I was like, what does it mean?

And then he would say things are OD.

You're pussy is wicked, bomb.

Yeah, we could bomb.

We could have lost some pussy you got there.

But the record OD is New York.

Oh, yeah, that's not awesome.

You put these OD.

Got it.

Okay, I'm gonna overdose on it.

Okay, you're from Georgia, Esther.

Georgia, you spend your whole life growing up there

until what age?

Pretty much.

Often, until it was about 18,

and then it was three months after I turned 18,

I moved to LA.

To Du Boin.

No, just to kind of get out of fucking Massachusetts,

because I was one of the only people that didn't leave.

And it's really cold and shit.

I don't know if you've gone.

But yeah, I just wanted to see other things,

do other things.

I was the only child of a single parent.

So I had to work really early.

And I just wanted to have my own life and experiences

in a warm place.

That's interesting, because I feel like so many people

from New England, especially from actual Boston,

they just, they love the culture of it

and it just feels like home and it's hard

to go away from that.

Yeah, well, the way we kind of joke about it

with I kind of do is East Coast,

I love the people hate the weather,

and on the West Coast, I love the weather hate the people.

That's real.

Not really, not really, you're from here.

No, we swear.

Really?

I mean, it's okay.

It's like already a stereotype of LA.

I'm not going to hate on you for it.

But how long were you in LA before you got into porn?

Like how long could you stay a normal person?

Well, I started stripping at 19.

Oh, I started in sex work at 19.

Yeah.

And were you howling around while you're still in Boston?

Not really.

I mean, people don't believe me, but I was a virgin

until I was 18 and moved out to LA.

Because I didn't trust that,

because I also like really liked that very sexual,

like the idea of good sex.

And I didn't think that anybody in high school

kind of knew what they were doing.

And they didn't have that kind of energy that I had.

And I also didn't want to risk getting knocked up,

like really young either.

So it was like a lot of this like mental stuff.

And then when I was free, I was like, I'm free.

Let's go.

Were you hot?

I think so.

At a young age, were you getting that kind of attention

from dudes?

I think so.

I mean, I made a lot of money when I was 19 stripping.

So I guess I was okay, at least as a teenager.

Would you lose your virginity?

Was that someone who went to the club?

No, actually it was like this cute little Japanese kid

that I just like met, who's like coming out of an acting class.

And I was like, show me around.

And he was like, okay.

That's so quaint.

That's so nice.

I know, I know what it was cute.

But like the sex wasn't great, so it didn't last very long.

Like I can hold out on having sex with people

or, you know, get to know them or not have sex at all

if we're hanging out.

But if we are having sex, if we're in that kind of zone

and it's like not very good, it, it fucks with my head

and I can't stick around.

Yeah, so I feel that's kind of shitty.

I'm sorry.

These poor bastards out there.

Sorry.

What should they do though?

If they're bad and bad and they know it.

I mean, well, that guy in particular, I'm so sorry.

I'm not going to put him on blast terribly or say his name

or anything.

But like from like 30 years ago, like Japanese kid walking

out of an acting class.

No, yeah.

I just like found him on Santa Monica Boulevard.

And no, because after I think like the second or third time

we did it, I sat up swear to God.

I was like, I don't want to do that again.

Wow.

At all.

Verbatim with you.

Yeah, I felt kind of bad about saying,

but that's exactly how I felt.

And yeah, we didn't we didn't do it again.

But you knew even with your little experience,

like what good sex supposed to be like.

Because I feel like if when I lost my journey,

I knew it didn't feel good.

But I don't think I would have known how to have made it better.

Yeah, I think it's just about feeling good.

Yeah.

Like if you don't like feel that energy,

you're not like really intense with it or like really

have this connection or I don't know.

I also like when people get like really sweaty and like really

like, you know, into it and like all over each other.

And like you're exploring each other and experiencing.

I'm not very good when somebody's very tentative.

But I think he was also he might have also been a virgin.

So I think I don't know.

I mean, this fall, it wasn't his fault.

It wasn't his fault.

I'm sorry.

It was me.

Another thing is you're listening to a bunch of grown

ass people in the 30s who basically have had sex for a job.

So we have a very certain outlook on it.

If you're like 18 and your first sexual experiences are awkward,

that's to be expected.

Like, you know, this is the kind of thing

that it's going to take you a while to get any sort of control

over and most people are really not meant to have sex on camera.

So you shouldn't hold yourself to that standard necessarily.

I have yet to hear like a really fantastic losing my virgin

story.

Me too, honestly.

You know, no one describes it in any sort of magical way.

Mine was terrible.

I don't even know if I've ever talked about mine on camera

because it was so bad and it just would be a whole thing.

Do you want to tell us?

Yeah, you know.

No.

I'll be here.

You can come there.

I'll do it for your channel on your podcast.

OK.

My first time in porn, though, was like really fun.

The first few times I had sex on camera.

Super easy, super fun.

So you put a complete amateur with a pro all of a sudden,

you start having a good time.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But how did you get there?

How did you get into porn?

Stripping first for a few years, really like that,

started doing like the teasy bullshit for like Playboy TV.

And then I started doing cam work for their cam company.

And then in there, I started doing like softcore and girl, girl.

And then I'm like, OK, if I'm going to do this,

I really want to like do this.

And I was always kind of interested.

And yeah, so I kind of went from like the girl, girl, like TV

shit to let's do some porn.

I contacted my own agents.

I just like walked in and I'm like,

kind of want to try this out.

Let's see how it goes.

So you never at any point felt like it was out of your hands

or you were being taken advantage of.

You were always the one taking charge of the situation.

Yeah.

I mean, I also take a lot of pride in that.

Like I walked my own ass into the strip club when I was 19.

I auditioned.

I called my own agents when I came to fucking like getting

into fucking.

Yeah, no, that was all my shit.

I didn't have like I didn't have a boyfriend any time

I started doing anything.

It's actually the boyfriend's like the gateway into these things.

So that was pretty surprising and a little bit different of a story.

The pseudo recruitment.

Yeah, like no.

You two talked to a lot of girls who basically at 18, 19, 20,

like very soon after they become legal with it, they just know.

They know they're meant.

They don't mind having sex in front of people

or they don't mind me and naked in front of people.

And they just like, we've talked to a lot of girls who just

come know at a very young age.

And that's kind of crazy.

Yeah, I had never in my life considered it as like a job

possibility.

I did.

We talked to a lot of women too, who like didn't think about it

until they were like 38.

And they're like, fuck, I want to do porn.

Yeah.

How did you get into shooting content?

Or you guys together?

I don't know this at all.

We had met right before I started doing the private Snapchat

thing.

But like we met because I had like a good amount of followers

on Instagram.

And I was just posting like, you know, bikini type photos.

But I'd never considered it.

It was more like my fans on my small page were like, hey,

I would pay for your nudes.

And then it was like, oh, maybe I should make nudes, you know?

But I feel like a lot of girls get into it like that now.

Or it's like the opposite where they know that girls have only

fans.

So then they try to get followers just.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is kind of the new thing, right?

Like kind of being semi safe just to see how big you can be

safer work to like get over to that not safer work.

Yeah.

Well, especially because it feels like growing on Instagram

while also posting like promiscuous looking stuff is so

dangerous that it's kind of like girls want to get to a certain

level before they then start alluding to the OnlyFans.

Yeah.

I feel like most guys just assume that if they look you up now

and put OnlyFans, there's some link is going to pop up.

Everybody has an OnlyFans.

Yeah.

Do you like that?

We kind of were talking about that off camera.

Like how do you feel about like the OnlyFans girls versus

the porn star energy?

I mean, with the platform, I'm like glad people are on it.

I'm glad that when I go to my bank and they ask me what I do

for a living and I say OnlyFans, like there's no more questions.

Yeah.

You know, it's kind of like, oh, I get it.

She makes money because this is a platform that she shoots on.

Things I don't like about the OnlyFans, I don't know what you

would call it, like the explosion, I guess, is like the way

that people maybe use it is like I know girls who send thousands

of messages a day.

Therefore, a lot of fans end up like ignoring their inbox

because of the way that people are like kind of abusing the site.

I feel like, so like those are small things that I feel like I'm

not excited about is just like spamming the audience,

but all in all and like happy that people are on the platform.

Yeah, me too.

And you're okay with like a girl starting from like the Twitch

or Snapchat and YouTube, obviously.

I mean, what am I to say?

I started, I got an explosion on YouTube and therefore that's why

like I still have a career.

You know, I had my viral moment and so there's just more of those

viral moments now, but back then, because back then it's like I got

my viral for saying that I'd make a sex tape if I got a million subscribers,

which I feel like today would not be a story.

I mean, it depends.

You know, I don't feel like it would be a story.

Yeah, because you weren't really like a big YouTuber.

You just, you know, a couple of little videos and stuff, but like,

why would like girls are making sex tapes all the time for free now?

Why would you need a million subscribers to do it?

Like it seems, I felt like it was weird that it went so viral,

even at the time.

Yeah, because it wasn't a big deal to us because it didn't seem

like that big a deal, right?

Yeah.

But we also know a ton of people do actual porn.

That was like, oh, she's like, YouTuber is going to do porn.

Little did they know you had almost no clue what you're doing on YouTube.

Yeah.

And you were way more likely to just get into the porn.

I had like three videos.

Like it was like, it was like, it was a real YouTuber.

But anyways, I feel like it wouldn't be a real headline now.

So I got really lucky in 2017 when it was a big deal for some reason.

Yeah, that's how I think I found you first was on YouTube.

And I think you only have like a couple clips out.

You guys together.

Yeah, which is so weird just because I like even I am considered a YouTuber,

but I still like internally don't feel like a YouTuber.

Yeah.

I feel more like a sex worker or only fans girl.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, nowadays you can be everything, right?

You can be a YouTuber and an only fans girl and in porn and fucking whatever else.

I guess we're all just versions of influencers.

Yeah.

It's just in 2016 that seemed like way harder to comprehend for people, you know?

Yeah.

You were kind of one of the first big ones that I really knew of and heard of that was not like in porn officially,

but like blew up and everybody in porn knew who you were.

Yeah.

Because at that time it was kind of like hard to classify like,

oh, what do we call this type of person?

Because for you, it was like, you know, you call some you call it a porn star because you worked for studios,

you know, so.

We're thinking about somebody like Kendra Sunderland who has this viral thing where she's showing her boobs

in the fucking college library or whatever.

But then she goes and starts doing real porn pretty quickly.

So that's kind of easy for people to understand.

But whereas like, Lena is like, oh, like, no, I blew up from doing this.

And now I just have only fans.

That was like harder for people to wrap their heads around.

I think, you know,

no, I agree.

Anyway, so once you get into porn,

my gal is talking about me.

OK, I love getting to know people.

Once you get into porn, do you just start going for it?

Or is it a slow trickle of you doing more and more extreme shit?

Well, I didn't want to make sure that I liked everything that I did because like,

I really enjoy sex or anything sexual and people like I like guys.

I like girls.

So I just want to make sure I was having a good time.

But yeah, I started with solos and then I did like girl, girl and like back at the time, too,

they always said like, oh, hold out on everything, like hold out for doing boy,

girl for a long time.

I couldn't do that.

I really didn't want to.

So I only did like two months of Jess, girl, girl.

And then then I got into boy girl and just kind of started going from there.

Wasn't kind of in a little ham sandwich, but I had a good time.

I don't care.

Like, but I did kind of start a little slow.

Like you went ham sandwich.

Ham sandwich.

I was going to ask you if this is a Boston phrase.

No, sorry.

Ham.

Well, if you say go ham, I was like, oh, go ham.

Amazing.

Yeah.

Sorry.

I was just trying to think of like the sexual metaphor.

I mean, well, no, I don't like to call people because there's not the lunch meat kind of like argument.

I like pussies of all kinds.

Me.

Oh, yeah.

We got a little roast beef right here.

Yeah.

Oh, that was beautiful.

I know they are.

The China's are all beautiful.

I like all kinds of lunch.

Me.

Yeah, me too.

I love a good sam that that's a thing too.

Like you can't get a good sub sandwich out here.

When you say sub sandwich, people think you're talking about subway, but like, no,

and it's like a big juicy deli sandwich.

Yeah.

Anyway, no.

Once you started doing porn, did everybody back in Boston start freaking out about it to you?

Or did you just cut off on that?

People found out really quick.

I mean, I don't have like a ton of history with like people that I was kind of like out when I was out.

But people found out really fast, even people I was friends with, like early on when I was like 18, 19,

like even some of my neighbors or people that I hung out with a couple of times,

I would get like random emails or text messages being like, oh, so roam your rain, huh?

And I'm like, yeah.

Yeah.

It's like, so you already watched all of that.

So I kind of forget, especially back then, how big the world of porn is and how everybody watches porn.

Yeah.

That's why I realized too how much everybody watches porn because everybody fucking found my shit out really quick,

even like ex-boyfriends and shit.

Yeah.

Everybody watches it, but then we're the weirdos for actually doing it.

Yeah.

Like we're just, we're supplying the content that you are buying.

It's like it's supply and demand, man.

Like if you didn't give me a job to have, then I wouldn't be working.

Right.

And I feel like a lot of people will never know, like even me before I started really being in the industry.

And I think back to my porn habits, it's like I would have like one, two, three girls that I knew of in porn that I liked or I would search by category.

All of a sudden I'm like typing like Asian anal and I'm watching girls do anal.

And I don't know who the fuck they are, which we forget as people are fully in the industry,

that those are pretty common ways of finding content for people.

What did you want to start on?

The sites.

But there was, was there like a main database site?

Was there porn hub?

I'm not shutting out any.

I'm just like, cause I don't, I'm trying to remember when if I watched porn, I'm like, how did I watch for?

I know I watched porn when I was younger, but like what was available?

I don't know.

Anyways.

Yeah.

I think I just like Googled and searched anything to ever cause I mean, well, back when I was a kid, I'm not that old, but I remember like the dial up days.

We've led to like download shit and it took forever just to walk like nude photos or like the clips would be like 15 seconds long.

Yeah.

That was kind of like my own.

I was watching porn online in 1997.

So like all these sites that now are like prominent and everything.

I mean, it was such a wild, wild west back then.

Like you just hear about a site from somebody and, you know, even the idea of Googling it, like, no, you heard the URL and you went to your computer and you typed in that URL.

And then maybe if you're lucky, there was some stuff and it wouldn't give you a virus.

Yeah, no, that's true.

Everything was like a virus.

The fear of the virus.

I remember that.

Definitely.

So okay, you get going in the game.

Have you taken breaks from shooting real porn and how many years officially have you been in the industry?

I think well, the March 2012, now it's like 10 years is my like was my porn anniversary essentially when I like, Romy Rain officially kind of debuted.

2012.

Yes.

So 10 years.

I've been about 10 full years now.

So about then.

But I started stripping at 19, which is like several years before.

So I mean, I've been in like sex work for like, like almost 16, 16, 17 years now.

Right.

Yeah.

Would you say overall that you love it and that this is just you?

Yeah.

I mean, sex work is my life.

It's what I dedicated my entire adult life to in one way or another.

And it's not just porn.

It's, you know, making clips and dancing and camming.

I've kind of done all of that pretty consistently and I love content creation at this point.

I mean, I have, I do take little breaks, but especially now I like kind of owning my own

shit and like doing content and working with other like like-minded business people.

And I think that's really exciting.

I think that's like the real evolution of porn nowadays is to eventually own it and to be

that brand businesswoman boss that everybody says that they want to be on their first set.

Right.

Yeah.

How does that feel?

Like you started to shooting for the studios and whatnot.

Like, how does it feel seeing it become such a different landscape?

I love it.

I think it's great.

I'm not one of the porn chicks that hates on content creators or only fans, girls.

I think there's like this sex worker kind of revolution right now.

It's like, well, we can all survive way better.

We're not just like dependent on these studios and being told what to do anymore and being

given shit rates and working with people we don't want to work with.

Like now there's so much more control and money essentially in our hands now.

And I think this is a fantastic time to be a sex worker, in my opinion.

It's also easy for a lot of people to forget how much more normalized it is now.

Like, even when I look at the early days in no jumper and I was having, you know,

more Riley Reed on there, whoever, I got a lot of blowback from it.

And from people.

Yeah, from people who were like, Oh, like you're interviewing rappers and now

you're going to be in porn stores.

Like this isn't right.

This is not supposed to be.

And now when I look at all these comedian porn podcasts and stuff, like all these

comedians are having different porn stars on all these different, like, you know,

the guys who do cool kicks on Melrose where they basically have somebody coming

and buy a bunch of shoes.

He said like 50 porn stars on there and nobody I don't think is like

questioning him about it.

Like even in the past six years, I've just seen it become so much more normalized,

whereas like, you know, and it's not a hundred percent, but it's definitely going

in the right direction.

I think so too.

I think the humanizing us, actually, that we can actually, oh, they have

conversations, they have interests.

They can do more than just fuck, but we also fuck really well.

Like I love that.

Is there anything like sexually that you haven't done yet that you want to do?

I mean, I haven't done like an official gangbang, but at this point, like if I do

that, I would want to do it for me and I go now I'm just really selfish about it.

So I would like, do you have any of the guys?

Oh, yeah.

Can I watch?

If you're there too, I want to watch.

I love that.

She just sits back.

I want to go last.

Definitely.

The last one.

You either want to go first or last in anything.

Really?

I think so.

And pretty much any anything.

Wait, are these guys like in a second or third?

Are they not in your because that's a big, big part of it?

We'll have the last one and the cream pie.

Go through the yeses and nose.

We'll do that when we get there.

Oh, if I look down at my dick and it's covered and other guys come.

I don't think so.

That's an interesting thing though for me when it comes to guys because guys have to be

cool with a lot of stuff like on camera and be cool with interacting with a lot of

other guys sometimes.

That's why the dick that I'm slaying in his designer drug, like I'm not trying to

get myself in all these different crazy porn star positions.

I'm so glad I have to climb the ranks.

I never would have made it.

I know.

I always think about that when I see a girl in a really athletic position.

And I know that the director made her do it for like 10 fucking minutes on and off,

stopping and going.

And I'm like, I'm like nothing but respect for my president.

Yeah.

Like my lower back hurts.

Just watch it.

Some people get seriously hurt though.

Oh, I know.

I we heard a John Czech Chicago tells the she has all sorts of weird fucked up

things in her neck from just like from just from getting head, I think.

Yeah.

Or like pile driver.

Yes.

That everybody gets hurt in pile driver.

It's and that's my thing too.

Like that kind of stuff isn't really worth it in that way to me.

I don't want to like be physically hurt.

I mean, I like aggression, but there's a difference between like very intense stuff

and like somebody like putting you on your fucking neck.

Yeah.

Fighting you.

I'm going to assume that if you're having a guy, whether he's a male talent

or just a guy come over and you're going to film something for your only fans

that you're not doing pile driver.

No.

Yeah.

You're in charge of the production.

Yes.

No, like most girls are not like, Hey, put me in reverse doggy for 10 minutes.

Like, you know, no, maybe the feminists do have a point because you're always

here and them say porn is so anti woman and it's through the male gaze and yeah.

Yeah.

And I always read that show like, all right, whatever, like all the girls I know who do

porn like doing porn and like getting fucked and like looking at the creation afterwards.

Yeah.

But certain things like pile driver, it's like, well, where did that come from?

That came from basically like the director's thinking that it looked good.

Yeah.

Everything's about what looks cool on camera.

But when you talk to a girl who's done like four anal in a week and she's like, I'd

rather do anal for five minutes.

Not 55 minutes.

Yeah.

It's like there's a big difference.

And I'm like watching a 55 minute porn anyways.

No, right.

You pause that you come back later for your next jerk off.

Like that's what I've heard a lot of people do.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Like they'll come back later.

They're like, they'll like a Netflix series.

So I stopped in the cabinet chapters.

Yeah.

Still watching.

I've heard of that.

Absolutely.

Or like if it's everything is kind of long and extended and really hot.

They're like, OK, I nutted to the blowjob now, like a wait till tomorrow to watch like the rest or something.

Yeah, if you're paying for porn and that's your way of being sort of tight with your money,

that like, oh, I'm going to take this one 15 minute scene that I just got DM'd on only fans from this girl.

And I'm going to chop it up and get three different nuts out of it.

Very smart.

I like it because I would never think that if I find a scene I want to watch.

Like if I searched up your name on Pornhub and I found the scene, it looks great.

OK, whatever.

I'm in there.

I'm skipping like every like couple minutes until I find a scene that looks really good to me.

Then maybe I want to watch that for like a minute that I'm skipping forward.

Another couple minutes, the invention of the being able to tap forward on the keyboard to go faster through it.

That's what I really like.

I like putting my cursor over the little trickle because they'll show you the thumbnails minimally and I'm like, oh, I like that position.

Go there.

And that's how it goes though, right?

Like they did little studies that show that like they usually watch maybe a little

bit of the intro, then a lot of people fade away.

Then they come back for some sex and they kind of fade away again.

Then they watch a little bit of positions and then the pop shot is like a lot.

Yeah, they're really watching the pop shot.

Right there.

The ending how you need to know how it ends.

Yes, definitely.

But when you look at only fans, girls tend to gravitate towards like 10 minutes, right?

For the scenes.

Yeah, wouldn't you say?

That's kind of interesting.

If like the average girl wants to do 10 minutes or 15 minutes or whatever versus a full-length

porn film being like an hour long sex scene or whatever, that's going to

an hour is a lot of time.

Yeah, it's more realistic.

Like real people are probably having sex for no more than 15 minutes.

But think about it.

If you're the director and you got to pay the girl the same amount for an hour as you do 15 minutes, why not get the hour?

That's right.

And you have the whole crew there and you're paying them to.

You know, you can see why they're incentivized to do that because they could

chop it up and have two different clips on point of they could sell two different things on only fans, whatever, never mind their website.

Oh, in soft core, they used to try to fuck us over with like soft core for a while there or two until a bunch of us started complaining.

Like they would we would shoot a scene and then it would like be over or the last five minutes and like, OK, cut and break for soft core.

And we would like basically do the same thing, but you can see anything and it basically was like dry humping and they would sell it like overseas or to pay channels or to hotels.

But they would get it in like the same scene.

They would kind of make you do both.

Instead of having you booked for two scenes.

Yes.

Come again.

So sometimes I'd be like over a fucking hour of like fucking and dry humping and like they're just yeah, sometimes a really smart, but also kind of fucked up.

That's why you got to stand up for yourself at a certain point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's bananas.

So what do you like sexually as a woman?

It's not as a porn performer.

What turns you on?

Honestly, I love three ways because I love girls and guys.

I was kind of describe myself.

My my level of bisexual is I find more women attractive, especially on a daily basis, but in like a sexual relationship, I tend to gravitate more towards men because I do like dick.

But I love kissing and touching and doing pretty much everything else with women.

So yeah, so I always look for you guys.

I was in a poly relationship for a little while.

That was pretty cool.

So what you had a couple of different boyfriends on the side.

No, it was me, a guy and a girl.

They were.

Yeah.

They were together first and then like I was kind of the third for about a year and that was fun.

Yeah.

And did you always feel like a third or did you feel like an equal?

You know, I kind of liked being a third because then I was younger too at the time.

So I could still kind of go do my own thing.

I didn't really fuck around that much, but I still like that freedom aspect and they were more attached and I was kind of not so much.

What was the end of that relationship?

I was me being like, I got to go.

That was.

Yeah.

Did something happen or you just were like over it?

I just kind of was over it.

It was a little like big board.

Yeah.

And it was like they were kind of having like their own situation too.

And I'm like, I really want to be involved in this anymore.

I don't really want to like, you know, do.

It was just curious because I get to hear.

I'm sure it's off.

I just have yet to hear of a very successful.

They're always fun at first.

Yeah.

They're always great.

A little party.

Yes.

That's yeah.

But sometimes it really needs to be an exit.

I always say it's better to be the third.

It's better to be the third than like the two, I think, because then you have the easier strategy out.

And you like you're a little bit less invested.

So then you don't have to care as much about.

Yeah.

Fortunately, unfortunately, that's better.

I could kind of imagine us having a girlfriend, but she would have to be like, like, you know, our thing is like serious enough that she'd have to very much know that she's the third.

You know, she could very easily be sent on her way.

I would rather be the third though.

Like because because if it's me, you and another girl, I'm going to have to just like.

Care so much about.

If whether or not something's making me jealous.

So you would rather that she and I have the primary relationship and you're the.

If we were not together, like, and I would just rather be a third to a couple because I feel like being the committed partner, you just have to take so many more things into consideration.

I would like constantly be wondering if our marriage was going to fall apart or something.

I just feel like it would be easy for you to stomach it because at this point you have enough evidence to suggest that you just know that I'm just not going to like get close to the girl emotionally.

Yeah.

I can't imagine you having another partner.

Like I feel like you don't have enough emotion to spare.

It's a lot of work for a guy.

They underestimate how much it is for a guy because it really is you have to have you have to care about both chicks, which is a lot.

You have to sexually satisfy both chicks, which can be a lot depending on the day.

So it's a lot more work for every guy is like, I could be in a three.

I could be in a poly relationship.

I'm like, you actually have to care to a degree about both of these fucking chicks.

And that's that's a lot of work.

Yeah.

I feel like sex is the number one thing that guys just feel comfortable lying about in the.

Like I hear guys all the time like I could do porn.

I'm just like, I don't even bother to argue with them.

Cause I'm like, no, you could not.

You fucking moron.

You never had a sexual experience longer than five minutes.

Your dig is not like that.

You know, like it's just, it's just you realistically couldn't.

And I can't believe that you feel comfortable lying to me and telling me that you actually think that you could do what these guys do.

That's like me saying I could play for the Bulls.

I mean, I could go out there.

It's not going to be pretty.

Every guy thinks they can do it just because they're so horny.

Yeah.

But being horny is not the only requirements.

Yeah.

No, it's not.

I would say you have to be able to jerk off in a room full of guys.

Yeah.

Cause that's kind of what you're doing half the time on a porn set.

Like there's one or two girls on set and as you like the camera guys and the producers and boom guys, like you have to be okay with like stroking your dick to near completion.

I always knew that I could do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause I always like didn't think it was a big deal to fuck a girl with the homies.

Yeah.

I was going to say that's what you have.

You had your past.

I was just horny enough that it didn't matter.

I was just doing it.

Good to know that about yourself.

Yeah.

Maybe I'm gay.

It's okay.

We should test it and find out.

I mean, okay.

Call a friend.

I'm come over.

Hang out with you.

I was thinking maybe she could test it.

Oh, okay.

I love showing my tongue in a sexy girl's mouth.

So I love that thing.

Okay.

hmm

not like what your skin feels

it just means me

oh, okay

hmm

I understand

there's some food

that's what I want

I'm gonna use a huge test of my face

I'm using these all things

yes, please get them out

I'm staring at them the whole podcast

I mean they're already outching

no subtlety here

oh

I have to go for a small night

oh

oh, I can't put these already out

I don't know why that

see what you have on

it's really sexy

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staring at us

it's a rude thing on the bike

I mean I guess

Harry can you come join us

I mean three's company

you said this is a good thing

you like girls like us together

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I don't know

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Get out of here, baby.

Straighten me.

I wonder if I can get my face in your ass.

Oh my god.

Look at this sexy lingerie.

It's all crotchless.

What's up, my god?

Mmm.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Mmm.

Mmm.

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I love that big dick in my face.

Pretty girl in my pussy.

Mmm.

It's in my birthday.

Mmm.

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Oh!

You're all good to go.

It's so sloppy, look at this.

I made a mess, I'm sorry.

Oh my god.

There's some over here.

Wow.

Holy shit.

It looks so pretty.

Second card.

Mmm.

Oh.

Chugs.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh yeah.

Get on that pussy, get in there somewhere.

Oh.

Fuck you yourself.

Oh my god.

Oh, this is a game of night.

Oh, I'm being stretched out.

Oh, he does have a big dick.

You're gonna be getting that fucking pussy.

Fuck you.

Oh my god.

Oh, that's so hot.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

You see?

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

No, no, no, no, no.

It's a lot of fun, babe.

Switch.

I'm gonna see you get fucked.

Oh my god.

I'm gonna see my face.

Oh my god.

Oh, it's pretty.

I don't think I'm gonna cry.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Oh, fucking.

You can't see it.

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oh my god

oh my god

You're so cute when you get real, you silly slut.

Hi.

Tell me around.

Tell me what to do.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

I'm like back constantly.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Taste that cucko, it's been in me.

I will do anything you say.

You would have a bunch of munching on to me.

Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh I love her, let's come.

What's in your butt?

I just need to see her.

You've got a brow.

I know.

I think those cheeks are wet.

Someone's on that fucking dick.

Please, please, please.

It tastes good.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

So fucking good.

Yeah.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

They call it that baby.

You like her bouncing on her cock?

I like watching her like this.

Oh, my God.

You guys like it?

Oh my God.

I'm gonna make him cum.

Yeah I'm always ready for it.

Do we have to ahead?

Yes, yes.

Yes!

Gun together.

Oh my god I'm not sure if she's totally ready for it.

Oh shit.

Oh my god.

Ahhh.

AH!

Oh can't.