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- This is going
to be an attempt
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to remember the African dance
from yesterday.
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Well, some of the steps because
I don't remember it all.
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Bop.
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[humming]
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- The day Mary died,
the world lost someone truly,
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truly good and wonderful.
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Now the whole world is a little
darker without Mare here.
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[tense music]
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- I thought that the world was
a good place,
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that good things were gonna
happen to me.
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- I hate the defendant
with every bone in my body
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and every drop of blood
in my veins.
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I hate Kaitlyn Anne Conley
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because Kaitlyn Anne Conley
murdered my mother.
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- I never thought
that anyone would ever call me
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a killer or a murderer.
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♪ ♪
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ADAM: I introduced her
to my family.
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I got her a job
with my parents.
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[sobbing]
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And if I hadn't done
those things,
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my mother would still be alive.
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KAITLYN: For this to happen,
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I can't quite wrap
my mind around it.
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It's hard.
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[sniffles]
Sorry.
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With all due respect
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to the justice system,
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I'm innocent.
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I want to know, why am I here?
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And what broke?
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Why didn't they get
the right person?
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I want to know that.
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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[somber guitar music]
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♪ ♪
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REPORTER: Today, another
beautiful, warm, humid day,
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I would assume at some point.
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64 right now
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to kick off our Wednesday
here in Central New York.
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- Pretty white girl
standing trial for a murder
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that she may have
or may not have done?
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It's a great story.
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PERSON:
People feel sorry for her.
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But in reality,
my personal take on it,
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I think she's guilty.
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- I've known the Conleys
for 34 years.
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Yeah.
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Great people.
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- She's trying
to play the victim like,
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"I was a 'doe-eyed,'" you know,
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and I don't think that's true.
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Well, I'm not buying this
Little Miss Innocent game.
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♪ ♪
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- Kaitlyn Conley
was guilty as sin.
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I am willing to side
with the juries.
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- It's a crime
of pure darkness.
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It is a diabolical crime.
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- Yeah, so it wasn't
just a quick death, was it?
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- Just because it's Sauquoit
doesn't mean
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that bad things can't happen
in this small town.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- I'm good.
I'm good.
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I'm ready.
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[laughs]
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What, unburden my soul?
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[laughs]
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I don't know. I'm good.
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I sleep fine at night,
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besides being in prison.
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I was sentenced to 23 years.
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[soft dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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I met Mary
through her son, Adam.
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I had dated him
for a couple years.
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They needed a receptionist
at their chiropractic office.
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They knew I was responsible,
so they hired me for that.
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Mary was very sunny,
very beautiful.
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Everyone loved her.
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I think she saw me as,
like, a daughter figure,
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and that was nice.
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We definitely got along well.
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I was much closer with Mary
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because there was always
something about Bill
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that I didn't feel
comfortable with.
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Bill was much more aloof,
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and some people found him
to be off-putting.
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Mary was so outgoing
and effusive and welcoming,
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and people really
gravitated to that.
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TAMARYN:
Everybody loved my mom.
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She just--
she just was happiness,
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happiness and love and light,
just...
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- My parents were
very much in love, still.
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They had gone through
chiropractic college together,
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and they started
their business together.
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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KAITLYN: It was a normal day
at the office.
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I got there first.
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Mary got there
a little bit after 8:00.
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Everything was normal.
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It was a normal busy day
until the end of the day
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when she started getting sick.
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She was running
to the bathroom.
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And when it came time
to close the office,
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she just left very suddenly.
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- I received a text
from my father
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on a Tuesday morning,
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and he said that my mom
had been throwing up
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and had some vomiting
and diarrhea.
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They thought
that it just seemed to be
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some kind of viral
gastrointestinal illness.
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♪ ♪
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KAITLYN: I didn't know
how sick she really was
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until I got a text from Adam
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that she was at the hospital.
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We'd been broken up
for about ten months,
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but Adam had asked me to come
to the hospital, so I did.
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And the family was there.
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And that's when I started
to understand
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how serious the situation was
because she was in ICU.
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♪ ♪
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- [sighs] Went in and saw her,
and it was--
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she was--her eyes
just looked terrified.
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She had a trach tube in,
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and she was trying to mouth
around it,
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but she couldn't really talk.
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Her heart kept stopping.
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- At that time, it really did
seem like a mystery.
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No one really knew
what was happening or why.
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- In less than 48 hours,
my mom went
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from her typical,
happy, healthy self,
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seeing patients in an office,
to having died.
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- I couldn't wrap
my head around it.
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I couldn't understand how
she could possibly have died,
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and they didn't know
how or why.
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And I wanted answers.
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At the end of the day,
when we were standing
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outside the hospital doors
in the parking lot,
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I remember giving
Katie and Adam a hug
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and telling Katie,
"Take care of him,"
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thinking that he was gonna need
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that emotional support
from her.
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And then--
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[sighs]
Of course--
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oh, it makes me sick
to think of it now.
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KAITLYN:
I miss Mary.
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And I really hate
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that this situation
has kind of colored
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my relationship with her,
because I feel like
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I can't really miss her
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because I'm fighting
for my own life.
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So sometimes I look
at all the cards on the table,
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and I say, "Oh, my God,
it must have been Bill."
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And then I look
at other things,
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and I say, "No, no, no.
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Adam must have been
involved too."
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But I know it wasn't me.
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So if it wasn't me, who was it?
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[gentle music]
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♪ ♪
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[laughter and chatter]
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KAITLYN: I grew up
with my three younger sisters.
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We were always together.
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We were thick as thieves.
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[laughter and chatter]
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We were always playing games,
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you know, chasing the horses
and chickens.
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It was a great way to grow up.
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♪ ♪
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Katie is our oldest.
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DIRECTOR:
Is Katie a mommy's girl
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or a daddy's girl?
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- Daddy's girl.
- She's daddy's girl.
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[both laugh]
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She's daddy's girl.
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She was shy, and she was
very quiet and helpful.
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There is no way
that she could have changed
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and been a Jekyll and Hyde.
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[somber music]
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KAITLYN: I really thought
that in my 20s,
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I was going to work
really, really hard,
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find a partner,
buy a house, have a career.
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I met Adam for the first time
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at my high school
graduation party.
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One of my friends
brought him to my party.
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- And we later found out
that that was Adam Yoder.
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He was not invited.
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We didn't know him before.
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Katie hadn't met him before.
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And that was the first time
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that we even knew
that he existed.
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[tense music]
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KAITLYN:
Obviously, I liked him.
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I thought he was
quirky and fun.
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And it wasn't bad
at the beginning.
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- This was really her first
adult relationship.
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And, um, it--
it seemed really great.
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He'd show up
with presents and flowers,
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and they'd go on dates,
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sometimes even let us
little kid sisters tag along.
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- I mean, I think
all of the family
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kind of treated Katie
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as if she was more or less
Adam's fiancée.
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Like, we all expected
that she was going to be
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part of the family.
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But Adam was very private.
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We didn't know
about the turmoil
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going on in the relationship.
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Adam was pretty intense.
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He was always telling me
how in love he was,
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how I was the best thing
that ever happened to him.
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And he would write
these very long love letters.
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And even at the time,
I felt like,
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"Oh, this is nice."
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But it still made me
uncomfortable
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because I'm like,
one, you just met me.
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You don't know how great I am.
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But he wouldn't stop.
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♪ ♪
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SIOBHAN: There were ones
that were saying,
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"I love you, I love you,
I love you,"
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written down 50-plus times
on a sheet of paper,
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him pleading to her
about his love for her,
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saying that,
"you need me in your life."
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So very just controlling.
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It wasn't your typical,
you know, "I love you" note.
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It was very--
like, a dark twist to it.
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- I would say
that the first year
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of my relationship with Adam
was pretty good.
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And then
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he started...
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I'm sorry. Um...
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Then there was
a noticeable shift in him,
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and I didn't quite
understand it.
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- They both would work
at Adam's parents' office
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as office managers.
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And a lot of that
responsibility
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ended up then falling on Katie
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just because of how unreliable
Adam was.
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- Um, I think she did
shelter me from a lot
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of what was happening
at that time.
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You know, emotions were high
at different times
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for both Adam and Katie.
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- They would break up
and then get back together
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and break up
and get back together.
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LIANA: The relationship had
its ups and downs.
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Then my brother found out
about the cheating allegations.
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He found out through messages
that she had been sending
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that she had slept with
a very close friend of his.
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I didn't cheat on Adam.
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Adam got very paranoid.
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He made me feel like
he was dangerous.
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[foreboding music]
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♪ ♪
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And then he started drinking
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to the point of blackout drunk.
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TAMARYN:
He was just as toxic as Katie
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as far as not being
a healthy relationship
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for either of them.
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Adam drank a lot.
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He clearly had anger issues
when he was drinking,
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if he wasn't blacked out,
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if he was even able
to still stand and speak.
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Let me say something.
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As a father, I wish--
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I wish I expressed
my feelings, right--
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the first dinner I had
with him across the table,
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there was something wrong.
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KAITLYN: After the first year,
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whenever I started
pulling back,
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he would get really nasty.
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He would get physically violent
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if I was there.
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He would stop me from leaving
if I tried to leave.
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He would call me
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over and over
and over and over again
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to the point where I would
turn off my phone
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because I just needed a break.
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I was scared of him,
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but I still felt like it was
something that I could handle.
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And then something happens
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that--it did,
it changed everything.
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Sorry.
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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[line trills]
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[exhales]
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- It changed the way
I see the world.
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MARK: Rape allegations are
definitely very serious cases.
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And Katie made an allegation
in this case
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of a possible rape
that was committed
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that was looked into.
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In fact, the investigator
had Katie make
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a controlled phone call
to Adam.
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I really felt
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that Adam was going
to do this again
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to someone else.
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And if he did, when he did,
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that that was going to be
on me.
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- In the controlled phone call,
he told her, "No, Katie.
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"I don't know that I did that.
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"You're saying I did that,
but I don't
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know if I can believe you."
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- When that phone call
was over,
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Katie decided
she no longer wanted
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to pursue the rape allegation.
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She signed off on the case.
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- I didn't understand
what victim shaming was
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until I got there.
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And they did nothing.
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[ominous music]
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♪ ♪
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VIN: Katie came down
and said that
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she was really afraid
for her life.
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My wife was nervous
to be in the house.
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Katie was living in the house.
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I called up
the sheriff's department.
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They refused to give me
an order of protection.
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That's when I started realizing
this is more serious situation.
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KAITLYN: Even though
I had broken up with Adam,
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he was still a part of my life.
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He still lived about
a half a mile from my house.
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I had the same friend circle.
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I still worked
at his parents' office.
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At that time, Adam had
a very strained relationship
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not only with his mother
but with his whole family.
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KAITLYN: I think Mary was
very close to Adam.
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She was his mother,
so of course,
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she loves her son,
even if she knows
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that things aren't quite right.
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♪ ♪
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- Before Mary's death, a lot of
the stories that I would hear,
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Adam would be
very hot and cold towards Mary.
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Just rude
and demeaning at times.
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- Adam had a relationship
with his mother
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that was complicated,
I would say.
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And it was emotional at times.
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He would get upset
with his mother.
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His mother would get upset
with him.
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- Adam and his mom did have
an argument on Mother's Day.
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- Adam had gone over
on Mother's Day.
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They had kind of observed
the holiday.
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And then he got
into an argument with her.
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And, you know, they had
exchanged some text messages
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that were, you know, testy.
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They were arguing.
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You know, it'll always be
that last Mother's Day
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for Adam Yoder
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because that's really
the last time
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he ever spent any quality time
with her.
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KAITLYN: And sure enough,
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a few months later,
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Mary died.
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[somber music]
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M. WILLIAM:
This case here, I spent
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probably a year and a half
on it,
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interviewing, I don't know,
50-plus people,
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going through thousands
of pages of documents,
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thousands and thousands.
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I mean,
this is a mystery, right?
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How did she die?
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KAITLYN: It was shocking
when Mary died
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because she was so healthy.
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So for her
to literally be here one day
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and gone the next
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without any kind of warning,
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it was Earth-shattering.
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It really was.
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[somber music]
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♪ ♪
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- My father was
barely functioning to breathe
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and just get through the day.
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He just was, like, a shell
that was, I guess, on autopilot
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just to be--survive.
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- I was grateful to Katie
that she was there to help us.
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Our family was in shock.
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Katie put up a posting
on Facebook honoring my mom.
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And at the time, it was
a very kind, long message.
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She was gone.
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There was no explanation
for what happened to her.
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And I wanted answers.
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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M. WILLIAM: So they begin
to do this autopsy on Mary.
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And Dr. Clark,
the pathologist, opens her up.
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And what he notices right away
is the color of her organs.
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- We opened her up,
and I was shocked.
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I mean, her organs,
the discoloration of her organs
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looked like someone
who had been decomposing.
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There was areas of green
and purple and brown and red.
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That was very abnormal.
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This cell death
that's going on,
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that's just screaming, toxin!
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Toxin! Toxin!
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It's just screaming at me
like this.
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Normally, we start testing
for illicit drugs,
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heavy metals, arsenic, lead.
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There was nothing there.
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00:27:05,249 --> 00:27:07,835
- At that point,
we're just waiting for answers,
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waiting for anything.
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- So now Dr. Clark
decides to go
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to the Poison Control Center.
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What they have is
a big, huge database.
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And it starts to look
for similar symptoms,
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findings of the pathologist,
and it puts things together.
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- When the tests came back,
I see colchicine--
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not just toxic,
at a lethal level.
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I thought, holy fucking--
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are you kidding me?
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Colchicine?
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What the hell is colchicine?
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Colchicine.
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I said, what?
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The medication for gout,
colchicine.
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She didn't take colchicine.
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She doesn't have gout.
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TAMARYN: I just remember
at that point thinking,
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maybe the supplements
that she takes,
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was there
a possible contamination
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from the factory?
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Or did somebody
intentionally do this to her,
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and why?
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LIANA: I asked Katie,
"Can you remember anything
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"that she might have had?
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Did a patient bring in
something from home?"
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And Katie said, "No.
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"Your mom came back
to the office,
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"and she just had a shake.
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That was it."
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M. WILLIAM: So they're all
kind of thinking,
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where did it come from?
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And to get it is not easy.
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You have to order it
from a company
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who keeps it
under tight lock and key.
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And moreover,
you have to be a doctor.
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Bill Yoder is a doctor.
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- When it came back that
it was colchicine poisoning,
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it was very, very weird to me
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that Bill didn't contact
the police.
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♪ ♪
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- Sauquoit, New York,
is generally a safe town,
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quiet rural town.
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00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:44,157
In October, I was at my desk
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when I received a phone call
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asking us to look
into the death of Mary Yoder.
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That phone call was made
by Sharon Mills,
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who would be
Mary Yoder's sister.
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She described
her sister's death
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as colchicine poisoning.
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We'd never heard
of colchicine before.
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00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:10,934
I actually asked her
to spell it for me.
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Mary's sister was
looking for answers,
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looking for what went wrong.
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ROBERT: In the early part
of the investigation,
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we were looking
at who had contact with Mary.
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We knew it had to be
somebody close to her,
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at least that would
have access.
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So, again,
we're looking at Bill.
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In a lot of poisoning cases,
the spouse is responsible.
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So we always look
at the spouse.
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- I heard
about Mary Yoder's death
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by a phone call
that Bill made to the salon
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the day after she died
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and that we were to cancel all
of her future appointments.
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I just inquired as to what
could have possibly happened.
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I said,
was it a tragic accident?
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And he did say to me
on the phone
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that she had gone
into the hospital,
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00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:06,865
and things didn't go so well.
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The answer that he gave me
just didn't sit well with me,
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unless it was
extreme malpractice.
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00:31:15,916 --> 00:31:19,503
I walked over to my client
at the time, and I said,
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"I think he killed his wife."
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00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:24,925
I said, "I hope I'm wrong,
but I don't think I am."
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[light music]
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PERSON: Sauquoit is
a very small town.
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Everybody knows everybody.
483
00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:37,145
And, you know,
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00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:41,024
you will get an opinion
on everybody as well.
485
00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:44,694
I got the ears covered.
486
00:31:44,694 --> 00:31:48,615
That keeps out some opinions
but not all of them.
487
00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:51,034
- My garden club
is very divided.
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00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:52,786
We do not talk about this case.
489
00:31:52,786 --> 00:31:57,290
The Sauquoit Valley Garden Club
is very divided.
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00:31:57,290 --> 00:31:59,084
- I feel like everyone forms
their own opinions
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00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:00,627
based off of who they know
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00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:02,587
and, like, maybe who they're
closer in age with.
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00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:05,006
Maybe the older people
have more sympathy
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00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:06,299
for the chiropractor,
495
00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:08,552
and the younger people think
she's innocent.
496
00:32:08,552 --> 00:32:11,263
- I think everybody judges
based on who you are,
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00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:12,347
who you look like.
498
00:32:12,347 --> 00:32:13,598
People see me,
and they might think
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00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:15,225
I'm a totally,
completely innocent guy.
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00:32:15,225 --> 00:32:18,687
But who knows what I do
behind closed doors?
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00:32:18,687 --> 00:32:21,731
[tense music]
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♪ ♪
503
00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:28,613
- How would Mary get this
into her system?
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00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:29,948
They don't rule it a homicide.
505
00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:31,992
They don't know
it was accidental.
506
00:32:31,992 --> 00:32:33,410
Was it suicide?
507
00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:35,412
They don't know how this gets
into Mary's system.
508
00:32:35,412 --> 00:32:39,082
So we had a lot of questions.
509
00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,293
So Investigator Mark Van Namee
set up an appointment
510
00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:44,004
to bring Katie Conley
into the sheriff's office
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00:32:44,004 --> 00:32:46,381
to get some information
as to what's going on
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00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:47,799
between Bill and Mary.
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00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,179
I thought it was a good thing
514
00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:54,389
that the police were
investigating.
515
00:32:54,389 --> 00:33:00,437
I felt a responsibility
to Mary and to her family.
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00:33:00,437 --> 00:33:03,982
I was going to help
in whatever way that I could
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00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:07,277
because we wanted to know
what happened to her.
518
00:33:07,277 --> 00:33:09,863
MARK: Katie was
a typical college kid,
519
00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:13,033
worried about, you know, finals
for the end of the semester,
520
00:33:13,033 --> 00:33:15,952
very well spoken,
very well dressed, very polite.
521
00:33:17,954 --> 00:33:21,499
KAITLYN: They were asking me
how the office was run,
522
00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:24,085
how the day was
when Mary got sick,
523
00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:25,670
how Bill acted.
524
00:33:27,923 --> 00:33:32,260
I didn't really understand
that it was tipping
525
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,055
towards a homicide
investigation.
526
00:33:35,055 --> 00:33:38,683
And when they were asking,
"Well, is it Bill?
527
00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:40,268
Is it Adam?"
528
00:33:40,268 --> 00:33:42,103
I didn't know what that meant.
529
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,068
MARK: She was
very forthcoming, credible.
530
00:33:48,068 --> 00:33:51,154
The best description we had
of Mary's day was from Kaitlyn.
531
00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:55,700
- Well, Mary had her routine
for her supplements
532
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,036
that she would take,
and she was into these
533
00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:00,580
health shakes and other things.
534
00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:02,040
She'd bring stuff
to the office
535
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,251
and take it there.
536
00:34:04,251 --> 00:34:06,711
So who would've had access
to it?
537
00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:08,255
We knew Bill did.
538
00:34:08,255 --> 00:34:10,799
Could have Adam went over
to the house, to the business?
539
00:34:10,799 --> 00:34:14,552
Is it possible? Yes.
540
00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:16,721
KAITLYN: Adam contacted me.
541
00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:20,642
We had been broken up
for over a year,
542
00:34:20,642 --> 00:34:25,146
but he wanted me to give him
the key to the office
543
00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:27,190
so that he could go and get
544
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,234
some of the nutritional
supplements
545
00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:31,236
so that the ME could test them
546
00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:34,531
and see if there was any kind
of cross-contamination.
547
00:34:34,531 --> 00:34:38,118
And I didn't feel comfortable
giving him my key,
548
00:34:38,118 --> 00:34:39,494
so I went with him.
549
00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:45,959
He started just going
wholesale through the office.
550
00:34:45,959 --> 00:34:50,213
He was grabbing
supplements, vitamins.
551
00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:53,133
I just stood back,
and I watched him
552
00:34:53,133 --> 00:34:55,343
because I didn't really know
what was happening.
553
00:35:13,028 --> 00:35:16,072
- Adam said that if anyone
was going to get in trouble
554
00:35:16,072 --> 00:35:19,576
for this, it was going to be me
555
00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:23,121
and that he was going
to watch me burn.
556
00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:25,624
And I really thought
he was talking
557
00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:28,835
about the patient files.
558
00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:30,670
And now I don't think that.
559
00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:33,673
[ominous music]
560
00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:38,887
♪ ♪
561
00:35:38,887 --> 00:35:42,015
I think Adam knows
more than I do.
562
00:35:42,015 --> 00:35:49,064
♪ ♪
563
00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:52,734
- We just got the test results
back from Albany.
564
00:35:52,734 --> 00:35:54,736
All the supplements
are negative.
565
00:36:00,575 --> 00:36:04,662
I'm sitting in my office,
and the secretary walks in
566
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:07,916
and says, "Dr. Clark,
I have a letter for you."
567
00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:11,711
I opened the letter,
not thinking anything of it,
568
00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:13,421
and I proceed to read.
569
00:36:13,421 --> 00:36:17,425
And the letter starts
by saying, "Dear Dr. Clark,
570
00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:19,219
"I understand
you're investigating
571
00:36:19,219 --> 00:36:21,429
"the death of Mary Yoder.
572
00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:27,185
"If you discover colchicine
in her blood,
573
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:28,770
"I know who did it, and I know
574
00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:30,605
where you can find
the empty bottle."
575
00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:33,108
I couldn't fucking believe it.
576
00:36:38,321 --> 00:36:39,489
I got on the phone,
and I called
577
00:36:39,489 --> 00:36:41,533
Bob Nelson from Oneida County.
578
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:46,413
And I said, "Bob, you're not
gonna fucking believe this."
579
00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:50,959
ROBERT: So at that point,
I go out to my mailbox.
580
00:36:50,959 --> 00:36:53,503
I receive a letter.
I go into my office.
581
00:36:53,503 --> 00:36:55,004
I open the letter up.
582
00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:56,464
And it's the same letter
basically
583
00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:58,842
that the medical examiner's
office got
584
00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:02,011
stating Adam killed his mother,
585
00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:04,931
and the colchicine is
in his vehicle.
586
00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:10,437
News of this letter came in.
587
00:37:10,437 --> 00:37:12,439
We didn't know what to think.
588
00:37:12,439 --> 00:37:14,399
It was just--it was just crazy.
589
00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:21,156
- Everything changed when we
got this letter in the mail.
590
00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:23,032
At this point, I say, OK,
591
00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,034
now we're looking
at a homicide.
592
00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:29,247
- After I open the letter,
it's a wrap.
593
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,623
It's a murder.
594
00:37:30,623 --> 00:37:34,669
Now the question is,
who wrote the fucking letter?
595
00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:39,758
[ominous music]
596
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:43,303
♪ ♪
597
00:37:43,303 --> 00:37:45,305
After my mom passed,
598
00:37:45,305 --> 00:37:47,849
my brother was drinking
very heavily.
599
00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:54,147
But it was something
that we expected
600
00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:58,651
based on the severity
and how depressed he was.
601
00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:02,572
It seemed like
his coping mechanism.
602
00:38:02,572 --> 00:38:06,784
- But Adam really thought
that after his mother died
603
00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:08,745
that I'd be
his girlfriend again.
604
00:38:08,745 --> 00:38:13,583
And he was genuinely surprised
and shocked
605
00:38:13,583 --> 00:38:15,877
when I said no.
606
00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:20,882
And that didn't
make Adam happy.
607
00:38:20,882 --> 00:38:27,263
♪ ♪
608
00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:30,016
- Vin and I did not realize
that Adam would
609
00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:33,937
drive by our house
and park outside of the house
610
00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:35,897
at all hours
of the day and night.
611
00:38:38,274 --> 00:38:42,111
- So I started getting
very nervous
612
00:38:42,111 --> 00:38:46,282
because Adam knew where I was.
613
00:38:50,787 --> 00:38:54,415
He knew
if I was at a restaurant.
614
00:38:54,415 --> 00:38:56,793
He knew if I was
at a friend's house.
615
00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,089
I didn't know
what he was gonna do.
616
00:39:01,089 --> 00:39:04,842
I didn't know
what he could do.
617
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:08,388
I was scared enough
that I started carrying
618
00:39:08,388 --> 00:39:12,141
a pocket knife with me
just in case.
619
00:39:18,064 --> 00:39:22,068
ROBERT:
Once we received the letter,
620
00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:23,611
we had to come up with a plan
621
00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:27,907
as to how we're going
to approach Adam,
622
00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:30,034
whether it be
we pull him over,
623
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,036
and we try to search
his car that way,
624
00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:36,416
whether he's at school,
and we go get a search warrant.
625
00:39:36,416 --> 00:39:38,042
MARK:
And the plan was hashed out.
626
00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:40,878
We would call him
out of the blue.
627
00:39:40,878 --> 00:39:44,507
And the decision was
definitely a gamble.
628
00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:46,217
- Adam comes up
to the sheriff's office.
629
00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:47,760
Investigator Mark Van Namee
takes him
630
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,761
into an interview room.
631
00:39:48,761 --> 00:39:50,722
He just starts talking to Adam.
632
00:39:50,722 --> 00:39:54,809
Again, Adam has no idea
what we're looking at.
633
00:39:54,809 --> 00:39:57,896
Adam is very intelligent,
a very smart kid.
634
00:39:57,896 --> 00:39:59,314
Dropped out of college
a couple times.
635
00:39:59,314 --> 00:40:00,898
He went back to college.
636
00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:04,944
He also seemed to have
some troubles in his life.
637
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:07,280
Investigator Van Namee
tells him,
638
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,409
"We received a letter,
and here's what it states,"
639
00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:14,579
that he killed his mother
640
00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:17,165
and that the colchicine
is in his vehicle.
641
00:40:17,165 --> 00:40:19,042
And this was just
kind of thrown at him.
642
00:40:19,042 --> 00:40:23,421
And he's like--
he didn't know what to do.
643
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:26,466
MARK: Once he agreed
to let us search his Jeep,
644
00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:30,803
we go out with him
to where his car's parked.
645
00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:33,556
ROBERT:
It's an older Jeep Wrangler.
646
00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:35,683
There is garbage and everything
all over in there.
647
00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:39,312
I mean, it's just piled
with stuff in there.
648
00:40:39,312 --> 00:40:41,731
MARK:
I wanted Adam to be there
649
00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:42,815
when we were searching
his car.
650
00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:45,234
I wanted to see his reaction.
651
00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:47,528
So he's standing there
smoking a cigarette.
652
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:53,451
ROBERT:
The forensic investigators
653
00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:56,371
get a garbage bag
and start taking trash,
654
00:40:56,371 --> 00:40:57,997
basically is what it is,
out of the vehicle
655
00:40:57,997 --> 00:40:59,499
so we could get to look
656
00:40:59,499 --> 00:41:01,167
underneath the seat
of the vehicle.
657
00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:02,919
- In my mind, I'm like,
there's no way
658
00:41:02,919 --> 00:41:04,921
we're gonna to find anything
in this car.
659
00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:09,592
ROBERT: They look
underneath the seat.
660
00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:11,719
And right where it said it was
in the letter,
661
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,096
there was a package.
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