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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,962 --> 00:00:05,672 - This is going to be an attempt 2 00:00:05,672 --> 00:00:08,759 to remember the African dance from yesterday. 3 00:00:08,759 --> 00:00:11,512 Well, some of the steps because I don't remember it all. 4 00:00:11,512 --> 00:00:13,138 Bop. 5 00:00:13,138 --> 00:00:15,766 [humming] 6 00:00:15,766 --> 00:00:19,770 - The day Mary died, the world lost someone truly, 7 00:00:19,770 --> 00:00:23,649 truly good and wonderful. 8 00:00:23,649 --> 00:00:27,611 Now the whole world is a little darker without Mare here. 9 00:00:27,611 --> 00:00:29,571 [tense music] 10 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:34,034 - I thought that the world was a good place, 11 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:37,454 that good things were gonna happen to me. 12 00:00:37,454 --> 00:00:41,625 - I hate the defendant with every bone in my body 13 00:00:41,625 --> 00:00:43,502 and every drop of blood in my veins. 14 00:00:43,502 --> 00:00:45,337 I hate Kaitlyn Anne Conley 15 00:00:45,337 --> 00:00:48,924 because Kaitlyn Anne Conley murdered my mother. 16 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:53,136 - I never thought that anyone would ever call me 17 00:00:53,136 --> 00:00:55,681 a killer or a murderer. 18 00:00:55,681 --> 00:00:58,725 ♪ ♪ 19 00:00:58,725 --> 00:01:01,436 ADAM: I introduced her to my family. 20 00:01:01,436 --> 00:01:03,647 I got her a job with my parents. 21 00:01:03,647 --> 00:01:06,066 [sobbing] 22 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:07,734 And if I hadn't done those things, 23 00:01:07,734 --> 00:01:10,487 my mother would still be alive. 24 00:01:10,487 --> 00:01:12,030 KAITLYN: For this to happen, 25 00:01:12,030 --> 00:01:14,116 I can't quite wrap my mind around it. 26 00:01:14,116 --> 00:01:16,952 It's hard. 27 00:01:16,952 --> 00:01:18,954 [sniffles] Sorry. 28 00:01:21,999 --> 00:01:25,127 With all due respect 29 00:01:25,127 --> 00:01:29,006 to the justice system, 30 00:01:29,006 --> 00:01:31,842 I'm innocent. 31 00:01:31,842 --> 00:01:36,847 I want to know, why am I here? 32 00:01:36,847 --> 00:01:39,057 And what broke? 33 00:01:40,976 --> 00:01:43,562 Why didn't they get the right person? 34 00:01:43,562 --> 00:01:45,147 I want to know that. 35 00:01:48,317 --> 00:01:51,194 [dramatic music] 36 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:58,201 ♪ ♪ 37 00:02:13,592 --> 00:02:16,595 [somber guitar music] 38 00:02:16,595 --> 00:02:18,597 ♪ ♪ 39 00:02:18,597 --> 00:02:22,225 REPORTER: Today, another beautiful, warm, humid day, 40 00:02:22,225 --> 00:02:23,560 I would assume at some point. 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,103 64 right now 42 00:02:25,103 --> 00:02:29,858 to kick off our Wednesday here in Central New York. 43 00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:32,569 - Pretty white girl standing trial for a murder 44 00:02:32,569 --> 00:02:35,864 that she may have or may not have done? 45 00:02:35,864 --> 00:02:37,449 It's a great story. 46 00:02:38,950 --> 00:02:41,870 PERSON: People feel sorry for her. 47 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:44,539 But in reality, my personal take on it, 48 00:02:44,539 --> 00:02:45,999 I think she's guilty. 49 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:48,126 - I've known the Conleys for 34 years. 50 00:02:48,126 --> 00:02:50,420 Yeah. 51 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:54,716 Great people. 52 00:02:54,716 --> 00:02:57,302 - She's trying to play the victim like, 53 00:02:57,302 --> 00:03:00,222 "I was a 'doe-eyed,'" you know, 54 00:03:00,222 --> 00:03:03,183 and I don't think that's true. 55 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:05,686 Well, I'm not buying this Little Miss Innocent game. 56 00:03:05,686 --> 00:03:09,231 ♪ ♪ 57 00:03:09,231 --> 00:03:12,025 - Kaitlyn Conley was guilty as sin. 58 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:16,113 I am willing to side with the juries. 59 00:03:16,113 --> 00:03:18,407 - It's a crime of pure darkness. 60 00:03:18,407 --> 00:03:20,659 It is a diabolical crime. 61 00:03:20,659 --> 00:03:25,539 - Yeah, so it wasn't just a quick death, was it? 62 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:27,290 - Just because it's Sauquoit doesn't mean 63 00:03:27,290 --> 00:03:31,420 that bad things can't happen in this small town. 64 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:38,844 [indistinct chatter] 65 00:03:38,844 --> 00:03:40,512 - I'm good. I'm good. 66 00:03:41,304 --> 00:03:42,431 I'm ready. 67 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:46,476 [laughs] 68 00:03:46,476 --> 00:03:47,978 What, unburden my soul? 69 00:03:47,978 --> 00:03:51,022 [laughs] 70 00:03:55,444 --> 00:03:56,653 I don't know. I'm good. 71 00:03:56,653 --> 00:03:58,572 I sleep fine at night, 72 00:03:58,572 --> 00:04:00,073 besides being in prison. 73 00:04:03,952 --> 00:04:06,955 I was sentenced to 23 years. 74 00:04:06,955 --> 00:04:09,958 [soft dramatic music] 75 00:04:09,958 --> 00:04:13,253 ♪ ♪ 76 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:17,716 I met Mary through her son, Adam. 77 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:22,471 I had dated him for a couple years. 78 00:04:22,471 --> 00:04:26,224 They needed a receptionist at their chiropractic office. 79 00:04:26,224 --> 00:04:30,312 They knew I was responsible, so they hired me for that. 80 00:04:32,022 --> 00:04:35,442 Mary was very sunny, very beautiful. 81 00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:38,153 Everyone loved her. 82 00:04:38,153 --> 00:04:41,823 I think she saw me as, like, a daughter figure, 83 00:04:41,823 --> 00:04:43,408 and that was nice. 84 00:04:43,408 --> 00:04:45,702 We definitely got along well. 85 00:04:47,245 --> 00:04:49,372 I was much closer with Mary 86 00:04:49,372 --> 00:04:54,085 because there was always something about Bill 87 00:04:54,085 --> 00:04:58,006 that I didn't feel comfortable with. 88 00:04:59,883 --> 00:05:02,719 Bill was much more aloof, 89 00:05:02,719 --> 00:05:07,265 and some people found him to be off-putting. 90 00:05:07,265 --> 00:05:12,062 Mary was so outgoing and effusive and welcoming, 91 00:05:12,062 --> 00:05:14,147 and people really gravitated to that. 92 00:05:32,749 --> 00:05:35,001 TAMARYN: Everybody loved my mom. 93 00:05:35,001 --> 00:05:38,463 She just-- she just was happiness, 94 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:42,425 happiness and love and light, just... 95 00:05:42,425 --> 00:05:45,846 - My parents were very much in love, still. 96 00:05:45,846 --> 00:05:48,932 They had gone through chiropractic college together, 97 00:05:48,932 --> 00:05:51,685 and they started their business together. 98 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:58,733 [tense music] 99 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:02,779 ♪ ♪ 100 00:06:02,779 --> 00:06:05,365 KAITLYN: It was a normal day at the office. 101 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,035 I got there first. 102 00:06:12,163 --> 00:06:16,668 Mary got there a little bit after 8:00. 103 00:06:16,668 --> 00:06:18,878 Everything was normal. 104 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:23,216 It was a normal busy day until the end of the day 105 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:26,052 when she started getting sick. 106 00:06:26,052 --> 00:06:29,764 She was running to the bathroom. 107 00:06:29,764 --> 00:06:34,811 And when it came time to close the office, 108 00:06:34,811 --> 00:06:36,438 she just left very suddenly. 109 00:06:36,438 --> 00:06:39,482 [dramatic music] 110 00:06:39,482 --> 00:06:42,736 ♪ ♪ 111 00:07:02,339 --> 00:07:03,965 - I received a text from my father 112 00:07:03,965 --> 00:07:05,258 on a Tuesday morning, 113 00:07:05,258 --> 00:07:08,136 and he said that my mom had been throwing up 114 00:07:08,136 --> 00:07:10,430 and had some vomiting and diarrhea. 115 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:12,265 They thought that it just seemed to be 116 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:15,352 some kind of viral gastrointestinal illness. 117 00:07:15,352 --> 00:07:18,730 ♪ ♪ 118 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:22,359 KAITLYN: I didn't know how sick she really was 119 00:07:22,359 --> 00:07:25,153 until I got a text from Adam 120 00:07:25,153 --> 00:07:27,447 that she was at the hospital. 121 00:07:28,823 --> 00:07:31,451 We'd been broken up for about ten months, 122 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:36,414 but Adam had asked me to come to the hospital, so I did. 123 00:07:36,414 --> 00:07:39,042 And the family was there. 124 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:41,836 And that's when I started to understand 125 00:07:41,836 --> 00:07:45,382 how serious the situation was because she was in ICU. 126 00:07:45,382 --> 00:07:52,389 ♪ ♪ 127 00:07:53,431 --> 00:07:55,934 - [sighs] Went in and saw her, and it was-- 128 00:07:55,934 --> 00:07:58,728 she was--her eyes just looked terrified. 129 00:07:58,728 --> 00:08:00,605 She had a trach tube in, 130 00:08:00,605 --> 00:08:02,524 and she was trying to mouth around it, 131 00:08:02,524 --> 00:08:04,442 but she couldn't really talk. 132 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:08,154 Her heart kept stopping. 133 00:08:26,297 --> 00:08:29,884 - At that time, it really did seem like a mystery. 134 00:08:29,884 --> 00:08:33,596 No one really knew what was happening or why. 135 00:08:33,596 --> 00:08:37,100 - In less than 48 hours, my mom went 136 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:41,646 from her typical, happy, healthy self, 137 00:08:41,646 --> 00:08:46,401 seeing patients in an office, to having died. 138 00:08:50,113 --> 00:08:52,032 - I couldn't wrap my head around it. 139 00:08:52,032 --> 00:08:56,786 I couldn't understand how she could possibly have died, 140 00:08:56,786 --> 00:08:59,789 and they didn't know how or why. 141 00:08:59,789 --> 00:09:02,250 And I wanted answers. 142 00:09:05,128 --> 00:09:08,089 At the end of the day, when we were standing 143 00:09:08,089 --> 00:09:11,801 outside the hospital doors in the parking lot, 144 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:14,637 I remember giving Katie and Adam a hug 145 00:09:14,637 --> 00:09:18,600 and telling Katie, "Take care of him," 146 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,310 thinking that he was gonna need 147 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:22,520 that emotional support from her. 148 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,647 And then-- 149 00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:28,276 [sighs] Of course-- 150 00:09:28,276 --> 00:09:31,112 oh, it makes me sick to think of it now. 151 00:09:37,368 --> 00:09:39,913 KAITLYN: I miss Mary. 152 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:44,292 And I really hate 153 00:09:44,292 --> 00:09:48,671 that this situation has kind of colored 154 00:09:48,671 --> 00:09:51,257 my relationship with her, because I feel like 155 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:53,301 I can't really miss her 156 00:09:53,301 --> 00:09:57,013 because I'm fighting for my own life. 157 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:02,977 So sometimes I look at all the cards on the table, 158 00:10:02,977 --> 00:10:07,816 and I say, "Oh, my God, it must have been Bill." 159 00:10:07,816 --> 00:10:10,151 And then I look at other things, 160 00:10:10,151 --> 00:10:11,486 and I say, "No, no, no. 161 00:10:11,486 --> 00:10:14,197 Adam must have been involved too." 162 00:10:14,197 --> 00:10:17,659 But I know it wasn't me. 163 00:10:17,659 --> 00:10:21,538 So if it wasn't me, who was it? 164 00:10:23,748 --> 00:10:26,709 [gentle music] 165 00:10:26,709 --> 00:10:30,505 ♪ ♪ 166 00:10:30,505 --> 00:10:33,758 [laughter and chatter] 167 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:37,178 KAITLYN: I grew up with my three younger sisters. 168 00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:38,388 We were always together. 169 00:10:38,388 --> 00:10:40,515 We were thick as thieves. 170 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:43,184 [laughter and chatter] 171 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:46,104 We were always playing games, 172 00:10:46,104 --> 00:10:48,523 you know, chasing the horses and chickens. 173 00:10:48,523 --> 00:10:50,024 It was a great way to grow up. 174 00:10:50,024 --> 00:10:54,404 ♪ ♪ 175 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:56,197 Katie is our oldest. 176 00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:57,532 DIRECTOR: Is Katie a mommy's girl 177 00:10:57,532 --> 00:10:59,951 or a daddy's girl? 178 00:10:59,951 --> 00:11:02,162 - Daddy's girl. - She's daddy's girl. 179 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:03,204 [both laugh] 180 00:11:03,204 --> 00:11:05,081 She's daddy's girl. 181 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,588 She was shy, and she was very quiet and helpful. 182 00:11:11,588 --> 00:11:14,382 There is no way that she could have changed 183 00:11:14,382 --> 00:11:16,342 and been a Jekyll and Hyde. 184 00:11:16,342 --> 00:11:19,178 [somber music] 185 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:21,431 KAITLYN: I really thought that in my 20s, 186 00:11:21,431 --> 00:11:24,058 I was going to work really, really hard, 187 00:11:24,058 --> 00:11:27,353 find a partner, buy a house, have a career. 188 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:33,067 I met Adam for the first time 189 00:11:33,067 --> 00:11:37,447 at my high school graduation party. 190 00:11:37,447 --> 00:11:42,160 One of my friends brought him to my party. 191 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:48,791 - And we later found out that that was Adam Yoder. 192 00:11:48,791 --> 00:11:50,668 He was not invited. 193 00:11:50,668 --> 00:11:52,253 We didn't know him before. 194 00:11:52,253 --> 00:11:54,756 Katie hadn't met him before. 195 00:11:54,756 --> 00:11:55,798 And that was the first time 196 00:11:55,798 --> 00:11:58,176 that we even knew that he existed. 197 00:11:58,176 --> 00:12:01,346 [tense music] 198 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:03,139 KAITLYN: Obviously, I liked him. 199 00:12:03,139 --> 00:12:08,228 I thought he was quirky and fun. 200 00:12:08,228 --> 00:12:12,398 And it wasn't bad at the beginning. 201 00:12:14,609 --> 00:12:18,112 - This was really her first adult relationship. 202 00:12:18,112 --> 00:12:21,950 And, um, it-- it seemed really great. 203 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:24,077 He'd show up with presents and flowers, 204 00:12:24,077 --> 00:12:26,371 and they'd go on dates, 205 00:12:26,371 --> 00:12:31,209 sometimes even let us little kid sisters tag along. 206 00:12:31,209 --> 00:12:32,961 - I mean, I think all of the family 207 00:12:32,961 --> 00:12:34,921 kind of treated Katie 208 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:38,967 as if she was more or less Adam's fiancée. 209 00:12:40,677 --> 00:12:43,805 Like, we all expected that she was going to be 210 00:12:43,805 --> 00:12:45,807 part of the family. 211 00:12:45,807 --> 00:12:47,350 But Adam was very private. 212 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:49,268 We didn't know about the turmoil 213 00:12:49,268 --> 00:12:51,604 going on in the relationship. 214 00:13:03,324 --> 00:13:06,536 Adam was pretty intense. 215 00:13:06,536 --> 00:13:10,039 He was always telling me how in love he was, 216 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:13,960 how I was the best thing that ever happened to him. 217 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,755 And he would write these very long love letters. 218 00:13:17,755 --> 00:13:20,967 And even at the time, I felt like, 219 00:13:20,967 --> 00:13:24,637 "Oh, this is nice." 220 00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:27,098 But it still made me uncomfortable 221 00:13:27,098 --> 00:13:30,727 because I'm like, one, you just met me. 222 00:13:30,727 --> 00:13:33,146 You don't know how great I am. 223 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:36,149 But he wouldn't stop. 224 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:40,236 ♪ ♪ 225 00:13:40,236 --> 00:13:41,904 SIOBHAN: There were ones that were saying, 226 00:13:41,904 --> 00:13:45,575 "I love you, I love you, I love you," 227 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:49,620 written down 50-plus times on a sheet of paper, 228 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:53,124 him pleading to her about his love for her, 229 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:55,793 saying that, "you need me in your life." 230 00:13:55,793 --> 00:13:57,920 So very just controlling. 231 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,799 It wasn't your typical, you know, "I love you" note. 232 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,844 It was very-- like, a dark twist to it. 233 00:14:08,014 --> 00:14:11,017 - I would say that the first year 234 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:15,063 of my relationship with Adam was pretty good. 235 00:14:15,063 --> 00:14:18,316 And then 236 00:14:18,316 --> 00:14:21,569 he started... 237 00:14:25,031 --> 00:14:27,116 I'm sorry. Um... 238 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:33,915 Then there was a noticeable shift in him, 239 00:14:33,915 --> 00:14:36,584 and I didn't quite understand it. 240 00:14:50,014 --> 00:14:54,143 - They both would work at Adam's parents' office 241 00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:55,478 as office managers. 242 00:14:55,478 --> 00:14:57,438 And a lot of that responsibility 243 00:14:57,438 --> 00:14:59,107 ended up then falling on Katie 244 00:14:59,107 --> 00:15:01,943 just because of how unreliable Adam was. 245 00:15:01,943 --> 00:15:04,320 - Um, I think she did shelter me from a lot 246 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,572 of what was happening at that time. 247 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:09,367 You know, emotions were high at different times 248 00:15:09,367 --> 00:15:11,619 for both Adam and Katie. 249 00:15:11,619 --> 00:15:14,497 - They would break up and then get back together 250 00:15:14,497 --> 00:15:17,625 and break up and get back together. 251 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:21,963 LIANA: The relationship had its ups and downs. 252 00:15:21,963 --> 00:15:27,093 Then my brother found out about the cheating allegations. 253 00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:40,398 He found out through messages that she had been sending 254 00:15:40,398 --> 00:15:44,110 that she had slept with a very close friend of his. 255 00:15:54,829 --> 00:15:58,416 I didn't cheat on Adam. 256 00:15:58,416 --> 00:16:02,461 Adam got very paranoid. 257 00:16:02,461 --> 00:16:07,049 He made me feel like he was dangerous. 258 00:16:07,049 --> 00:16:10,052 [foreboding music] 259 00:16:10,052 --> 00:16:12,597 ♪ ♪ 260 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:17,518 And then he started drinking 261 00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:20,396 to the point of blackout drunk. 262 00:16:23,441 --> 00:16:26,986 TAMARYN: He was just as toxic as Katie 263 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:30,156 as far as not being a healthy relationship 264 00:16:30,156 --> 00:16:33,367 for either of them. 265 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:35,286 Adam drank a lot. 266 00:16:35,286 --> 00:16:39,832 He clearly had anger issues when he was drinking, 267 00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:42,835 if he wasn't blacked out, 268 00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:47,089 if he was even able to still stand and speak. 269 00:16:47,089 --> 00:16:49,008 Let me say something. 270 00:16:51,802 --> 00:16:56,098 As a father, I wish-- 271 00:16:56,098 --> 00:17:00,269 I wish I expressed my feelings, right-- 272 00:17:00,269 --> 00:17:03,606 the first dinner I had with him across the table, 273 00:17:03,606 --> 00:17:06,317 there was something wrong. 274 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:19,288 KAITLYN: After the first year, 275 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:22,625 whenever I started pulling back, 276 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:26,545 he would get really nasty. 277 00:17:26,545 --> 00:17:31,342 He would get physically violent 278 00:17:31,342 --> 00:17:33,135 if I was there. 279 00:17:33,135 --> 00:17:38,099 He would stop me from leaving if I tried to leave. 280 00:17:38,099 --> 00:17:40,935 He would call me 281 00:17:40,935 --> 00:17:44,689 over and over and over and over again 282 00:17:44,689 --> 00:17:47,483 to the point where I would turn off my phone 283 00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:49,819 because I just needed a break. 284 00:18:06,127 --> 00:18:08,754 I was scared of him, 285 00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:13,384 but I still felt like it was something that I could handle. 286 00:18:16,178 --> 00:18:20,474 And then something happens 287 00:18:20,474 --> 00:18:23,060 that--it did, it changed everything. 288 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,709 Sorry. 289 00:18:50,546 --> 00:18:53,549 [tense music] 290 00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:56,010 ♪ ♪ 291 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:58,554 [line trills] 292 00:19:16,989 --> 00:19:18,616 [exhales] 293 00:19:40,638 --> 00:19:43,015 - It changed the way I see the world. 294 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:51,899 MARK: Rape allegations are definitely very serious cases. 295 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:54,485 And Katie made an allegation in this case 296 00:19:54,485 --> 00:19:57,196 of a possible rape that was committed 297 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,782 that was looked into. 298 00:19:59,782 --> 00:20:01,992 In fact, the investigator had Katie make 299 00:20:01,992 --> 00:20:03,536 a controlled phone call to Adam. 300 00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:18,467 I really felt 301 00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:22,555 that Adam was going to do this again 302 00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:23,931 to someone else. 303 00:20:23,931 --> 00:20:26,267 And if he did, when he did, 304 00:20:26,267 --> 00:20:29,520 that that was going to be on me. 305 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,064 - In the controlled phone call, he told her, "No, Katie. 306 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:33,399 "I don't know that I did that. 307 00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:36,944 "You're saying I did that, but I don't 308 00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:39,572 know if I can believe you." 309 00:20:57,298 --> 00:20:58,466 - When that phone call was over, 310 00:20:58,466 --> 00:20:59,884 Katie decided she no longer wanted 311 00:20:59,884 --> 00:21:02,178 to pursue the rape allegation. 312 00:21:02,178 --> 00:21:03,554 She signed off on the case. 313 00:21:09,351 --> 00:21:13,731 - I didn't understand what victim shaming was 314 00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:17,318 until I got there. 315 00:21:17,318 --> 00:21:20,029 And they did nothing. 316 00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:23,032 [ominous music] 317 00:21:23,032 --> 00:21:30,039 ♪ ♪ 318 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:35,336 VIN: Katie came down and said that 319 00:21:35,336 --> 00:21:40,299 she was really afraid for her life. 320 00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:42,593 My wife was nervous to be in the house. 321 00:21:42,593 --> 00:21:45,179 Katie was living in the house. 322 00:21:45,179 --> 00:21:49,558 I called up the sheriff's department. 323 00:21:49,558 --> 00:21:52,770 They refused to give me an order of protection. 324 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:57,274 That's when I started realizing this is more serious situation. 325 00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:04,865 KAITLYN: Even though I had broken up with Adam, 326 00:22:04,865 --> 00:22:08,077 he was still a part of my life. 327 00:22:09,745 --> 00:22:14,041 He still lived about a half a mile from my house. 328 00:22:14,041 --> 00:22:16,043 I had the same friend circle. 329 00:22:16,043 --> 00:22:19,255 I still worked at his parents' office. 330 00:22:21,632 --> 00:22:26,136 At that time, Adam had a very strained relationship 331 00:22:26,136 --> 00:22:29,265 not only with his mother but with his whole family. 332 00:22:45,155 --> 00:22:47,950 KAITLYN: I think Mary was very close to Adam. 333 00:22:47,950 --> 00:22:51,120 She was his mother, so of course, 334 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,123 she loves her son, even if she knows 335 00:22:54,123 --> 00:22:56,625 that things aren't quite right. 336 00:23:09,972 --> 00:23:15,477 ♪ ♪ 337 00:23:15,477 --> 00:23:19,607 - Before Mary's death, a lot of the stories that I would hear, 338 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:23,569 Adam would be very hot and cold towards Mary. 339 00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:26,447 Just rude and demeaning at times. 340 00:23:29,158 --> 00:23:31,702 - Adam had a relationship with his mother 341 00:23:31,702 --> 00:23:34,705 that was complicated, I would say. 342 00:23:34,705 --> 00:23:37,499 And it was emotional at times. 343 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:38,834 He would get upset with his mother. 344 00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:40,294 His mother would get upset with him. 345 00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:44,048 - Adam and his mom did have an argument on Mother's Day. 346 00:23:47,468 --> 00:23:49,386 - Adam had gone over on Mother's Day. 347 00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:51,263 They had kind of observed the holiday. 348 00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:53,182 And then he got into an argument with her. 349 00:23:53,182 --> 00:23:56,143 And, you know, they had exchanged some text messages 350 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:57,770 that were, you know, testy. 351 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,104 They were arguing. 352 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:03,400 You know, it'll always be that last Mother's Day 353 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,735 for Adam Yoder 354 00:24:04,735 --> 00:24:06,362 because that's really the last time 355 00:24:06,362 --> 00:24:08,322 he ever spent any quality time with her. 356 00:24:11,283 --> 00:24:14,411 KAITLYN: And sure enough, 357 00:24:14,411 --> 00:24:18,040 a few months later, 358 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,667 Mary died. 359 00:24:23,545 --> 00:24:26,423 [somber music] 360 00:24:26,423 --> 00:24:28,550 M. WILLIAM: This case here, I spent 361 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:31,011 probably a year and a half on it, 362 00:24:31,011 --> 00:24:35,140 interviewing, I don't know, 50-plus people, 363 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:38,018 going through thousands of pages of documents, 364 00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:40,521 thousands and thousands. 365 00:24:40,521 --> 00:24:42,690 I mean, this is a mystery, right? 366 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:45,025 How did she die? 367 00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:51,323 KAITLYN: It was shocking when Mary died 368 00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:54,284 because she was so healthy. 369 00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:58,747 So for her to literally be here one day 370 00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:01,291 and gone the next 371 00:25:01,291 --> 00:25:04,795 without any kind of warning, 372 00:25:04,795 --> 00:25:06,505 it was Earth-shattering. 373 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:08,465 It really was. 374 00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:11,468 [somber music] 375 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:14,972 ♪ ♪ 376 00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:29,111 - My father was barely functioning to breathe 377 00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:31,655 and just get through the day. 378 00:25:31,655 --> 00:25:36,243 He just was, like, a shell that was, I guess, on autopilot 379 00:25:36,243 --> 00:25:39,163 just to be--survive. 380 00:25:43,876 --> 00:25:47,546 - I was grateful to Katie that she was there to help us. 381 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,006 Our family was in shock. 382 00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:55,262 Katie put up a posting on Facebook honoring my mom. 383 00:25:56,472 --> 00:26:01,018 And at the time, it was a very kind, long message. 384 00:26:03,771 --> 00:26:05,814 She was gone. 385 00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:10,152 There was no explanation for what happened to her. 386 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:13,447 And I wanted answers. 387 00:26:13,447 --> 00:26:16,450 [tense music] 388 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:20,704 ♪ ♪ 389 00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:23,832 M. WILLIAM: So they begin to do this autopsy on Mary. 390 00:26:23,832 --> 00:26:27,377 And Dr. Clark, the pathologist, opens her up. 391 00:26:27,377 --> 00:26:32,132 And what he notices right away is the color of her organs. 392 00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:34,343 - We opened her up, and I was shocked. 393 00:26:34,343 --> 00:26:37,387 I mean, her organs, the discoloration of her organs 394 00:26:37,387 --> 00:26:40,307 looked like someone who had been decomposing. 395 00:26:40,307 --> 00:26:44,895 There was areas of green and purple and brown and red. 396 00:26:44,895 --> 00:26:47,689 That was very abnormal. 397 00:26:47,689 --> 00:26:49,566 This cell death that's going on, 398 00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:52,027 that's just screaming, toxin! 399 00:26:52,027 --> 00:26:53,153 Toxin! Toxin! 400 00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:56,865 It's just screaming at me like this. 401 00:26:56,865 --> 00:27:00,077 Normally, we start testing for illicit drugs, 402 00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:02,496 heavy metals, arsenic, lead. 403 00:27:02,496 --> 00:27:05,249 There was nothing there. 404 00:27:05,249 --> 00:27:07,835 - At that point, we're just waiting for answers, 405 00:27:07,835 --> 00:27:09,837 waiting for anything. 406 00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:17,845 - So now Dr. Clark decides to go 407 00:27:17,845 --> 00:27:21,682 to the Poison Control Center. 408 00:27:21,682 --> 00:27:25,519 What they have is a big, huge database. 409 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:30,858 And it starts to look for similar symptoms, 410 00:27:30,858 --> 00:27:35,070 findings of the pathologist, and it puts things together. 411 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:38,866 - When the tests came back, I see colchicine-- 412 00:27:38,866 --> 00:27:41,827 not just toxic, at a lethal level. 413 00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:43,620 I thought, holy fucking-- 414 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:44,705 are you kidding me? 415 00:27:46,707 --> 00:27:47,833 Colchicine? 416 00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:49,251 What the hell is colchicine? 417 00:27:49,251 --> 00:27:52,504 Colchicine. 418 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:53,630 I said, what? 419 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:56,717 The medication for gout, colchicine. 420 00:27:56,717 --> 00:27:58,343 She didn't take colchicine. 421 00:27:58,343 --> 00:27:59,678 She doesn't have gout. 422 00:28:02,639 --> 00:28:05,309 TAMARYN: I just remember at that point thinking, 423 00:28:05,309 --> 00:28:08,520 maybe the supplements that she takes, 424 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,356 was there a possible contamination 425 00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:12,858 from the factory? 426 00:28:15,444 --> 00:28:18,989 Or did somebody intentionally do this to her, 427 00:28:18,989 --> 00:28:22,326 and why? 428 00:28:22,326 --> 00:28:24,661 LIANA: I asked Katie, "Can you remember anything 429 00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:26,163 "that she might have had? 430 00:28:26,163 --> 00:28:29,958 Did a patient bring in something from home?" 431 00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:31,960 And Katie said, "No. 432 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,545 "Your mom came back to the office, 433 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:34,796 "and she just had a shake. 434 00:28:34,796 --> 00:28:37,007 That was it." 435 00:28:37,007 --> 00:28:39,134 M. WILLIAM: So they're all kind of thinking, 436 00:28:39,134 --> 00:28:41,428 where did it come from? 437 00:28:41,428 --> 00:28:45,307 And to get it is not easy. 438 00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,809 You have to order it from a company 439 00:28:47,809 --> 00:28:51,271 who keeps it under tight lock and key. 440 00:28:54,191 --> 00:28:57,527 And moreover, you have to be a doctor. 441 00:28:57,527 --> 00:29:00,948 Bill Yoder is a doctor. 442 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:19,925 - When it came back that it was colchicine poisoning, 443 00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:24,137 it was very, very weird to me 444 00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:27,683 that Bill didn't contact the police. 445 00:29:27,683 --> 00:29:34,731 ♪ ♪ 446 00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:37,317 - Sauquoit, New York, is generally a safe town, 447 00:29:37,317 --> 00:29:39,695 quiet rural town. 448 00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:44,157 In October, I was at my desk 449 00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:48,120 when I received a phone call 450 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,832 asking us to look into the death of Mary Yoder. 451 00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:55,585 That phone call was made by Sharon Mills, 452 00:29:55,585 --> 00:29:57,629 who would be Mary Yoder's sister. 453 00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:02,259 She described her sister's death 454 00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:05,178 as colchicine poisoning. 455 00:30:05,178 --> 00:30:08,974 We'd never heard of colchicine before. 456 00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:10,934 I actually asked her to spell it for me. 457 00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:16,231 Mary's sister was looking for answers, 458 00:30:16,231 --> 00:30:17,983 looking for what went wrong. 459 00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:22,070 ROBERT: In the early part of the investigation, 460 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,489 we were looking at who had contact with Mary. 461 00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:26,324 We knew it had to be somebody close to her, 462 00:30:26,324 --> 00:30:27,784 at least that would have access. 463 00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,412 So, again, we're looking at Bill. 464 00:30:30,412 --> 00:30:34,916 In a lot of poisoning cases, the spouse is responsible. 465 00:30:34,916 --> 00:30:36,084 So we always look at the spouse. 466 00:30:42,132 --> 00:30:44,634 - I heard about Mary Yoder's death 467 00:30:44,634 --> 00:30:47,262 by a phone call that Bill made to the salon 468 00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:49,931 the day after she died 469 00:30:49,931 --> 00:30:54,186 and that we were to cancel all of her future appointments. 470 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:57,689 I just inquired as to what could have possibly happened. 471 00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,483 I said, was it a tragic accident? 472 00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:02,611 And he did say to me on the phone 473 00:31:02,611 --> 00:31:04,738 that she had gone into the hospital, 474 00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:06,865 and things didn't go so well. 475 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:11,745 The answer that he gave me just didn't sit well with me, 476 00:31:11,745 --> 00:31:15,916 unless it was extreme malpractice. 477 00:31:15,916 --> 00:31:19,503 I walked over to my client at the time, and I said, 478 00:31:19,503 --> 00:31:21,546 "I think he killed his wife." 479 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:24,925 I said, "I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am." 480 00:31:29,513 --> 00:31:31,932 [light music] 481 00:31:31,932 --> 00:31:34,101 PERSON: Sauquoit is a very small town. 482 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:35,769 Everybody knows everybody. 483 00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:37,145 And, you know, 484 00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:41,024 you will get an opinion on everybody as well. 485 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:44,694 I got the ears covered. 486 00:31:44,694 --> 00:31:48,615 That keeps out some opinions but not all of them. 487 00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:51,034 - My garden club is very divided. 488 00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:52,786 We do not talk about this case. 489 00:31:52,786 --> 00:31:57,290 The Sauquoit Valley Garden Club is very divided. 490 00:31:57,290 --> 00:31:59,084 - I feel like everyone forms their own opinions 491 00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:00,627 based off of who they know 492 00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:02,587 and, like, maybe who they're closer in age with. 493 00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:05,006 Maybe the older people have more sympathy 494 00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:06,299 for the chiropractor, 495 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:08,552 and the younger people think she's innocent. 496 00:32:08,552 --> 00:32:11,263 - I think everybody judges based on who you are, 497 00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:12,347 who you look like. 498 00:32:12,347 --> 00:32:13,598 People see me, and they might think 499 00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:15,225 I'm a totally, completely innocent guy. 500 00:32:15,225 --> 00:32:18,687 But who knows what I do behind closed doors? 501 00:32:18,687 --> 00:32:21,731 [tense music] 502 00:32:21,731 --> 00:32:26,528 ♪ ♪ 503 00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:28,613 - How would Mary get this into her system? 504 00:32:28,613 --> 00:32:29,948 They don't rule it a homicide. 505 00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:31,992 They don't know it was accidental. 506 00:32:31,992 --> 00:32:33,410 Was it suicide? 507 00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:35,412 They don't know how this gets into Mary's system. 508 00:32:35,412 --> 00:32:39,082 So we had a lot of questions. 509 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,293 So Investigator Mark Van Namee set up an appointment 510 00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:44,004 to bring Katie Conley into the sheriff's office 511 00:32:44,004 --> 00:32:46,381 to get some information as to what's going on 512 00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:47,799 between Bill and Mary. 513 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,179 I thought it was a good thing 514 00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:54,389 that the police were investigating. 515 00:32:54,389 --> 00:33:00,437 I felt a responsibility to Mary and to her family. 516 00:33:00,437 --> 00:33:03,982 I was going to help in whatever way that I could 517 00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:07,277 because we wanted to know what happened to her. 518 00:33:07,277 --> 00:33:09,863 MARK: Katie was a typical college kid, 519 00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:13,033 worried about, you know, finals for the end of the semester, 520 00:33:13,033 --> 00:33:15,952 very well spoken, very well dressed, very polite. 521 00:33:17,954 --> 00:33:21,499 KAITLYN: They were asking me how the office was run, 522 00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:24,085 how the day was when Mary got sick, 523 00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:25,670 how Bill acted. 524 00:33:27,923 --> 00:33:32,260 I didn't really understand that it was tipping 525 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,055 towards a homicide investigation. 526 00:33:35,055 --> 00:33:38,683 And when they were asking, "Well, is it Bill? 527 00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:40,268 Is it Adam?" 528 00:33:40,268 --> 00:33:42,103 I didn't know what that meant. 529 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,068 MARK: She was very forthcoming, credible. 530 00:33:48,068 --> 00:33:51,154 The best description we had of Mary's day was from Kaitlyn. 531 00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:55,700 - Well, Mary had her routine for her supplements 532 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,036 that she would take, and she was into these 533 00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:00,580 health shakes and other things. 534 00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:02,040 She'd bring stuff to the office 535 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,251 and take it there. 536 00:34:04,251 --> 00:34:06,711 So who would've had access to it? 537 00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:08,255 We knew Bill did. 538 00:34:08,255 --> 00:34:10,799 Could have Adam went over to the house, to the business? 539 00:34:10,799 --> 00:34:14,552 Is it possible? Yes. 540 00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:16,721 KAITLYN: Adam contacted me. 541 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:20,642 We had been broken up for over a year, 542 00:34:20,642 --> 00:34:25,146 but he wanted me to give him the key to the office 543 00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:27,190 so that he could go and get 544 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,234 some of the nutritional supplements 545 00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:31,236 so that the ME could test them 546 00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:34,531 and see if there was any kind of cross-contamination. 547 00:34:34,531 --> 00:34:38,118 And I didn't feel comfortable giving him my key, 548 00:34:38,118 --> 00:34:39,494 so I went with him. 549 00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:45,959 He started just going wholesale through the office. 550 00:34:45,959 --> 00:34:50,213 He was grabbing supplements, vitamins. 551 00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:53,133 I just stood back, and I watched him 552 00:34:53,133 --> 00:34:55,343 because I didn't really know what was happening. 553 00:35:13,028 --> 00:35:16,072 - Adam said that if anyone was going to get in trouble 554 00:35:16,072 --> 00:35:19,576 for this, it was going to be me 555 00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:23,121 and that he was going to watch me burn. 556 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:25,624 And I really thought he was talking 557 00:35:25,624 --> 00:35:28,835 about the patient files. 558 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:30,670 And now I don't think that. 559 00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:33,673 [ominous music] 560 00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:38,887 ♪ ♪ 561 00:35:38,887 --> 00:35:42,015 I think Adam knows more than I do. 562 00:35:42,015 --> 00:35:49,064 ♪ ♪ 563 00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:52,734 - We just got the test results back from Albany. 564 00:35:52,734 --> 00:35:54,736 All the supplements are negative. 565 00:36:00,575 --> 00:36:04,662 I'm sitting in my office, and the secretary walks in 566 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:07,916 and says, "Dr. Clark, I have a letter for you." 567 00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:11,711 I opened the letter, not thinking anything of it, 568 00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:13,421 and I proceed to read. 569 00:36:13,421 --> 00:36:17,425 And the letter starts by saying, "Dear Dr. Clark, 570 00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:19,219 "I understand you're investigating 571 00:36:19,219 --> 00:36:21,429 "the death of Mary Yoder. 572 00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:27,185 "If you discover colchicine in her blood, 573 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:28,770 "I know who did it, and I know 574 00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:30,605 where you can find the empty bottle." 575 00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:33,108 I couldn't fucking believe it. 576 00:36:38,321 --> 00:36:39,489 I got on the phone, and I called 577 00:36:39,489 --> 00:36:41,533 Bob Nelson from Oneida County. 578 00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:46,413 And I said, "Bob, you're not gonna fucking believe this." 579 00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:50,959 ROBERT: So at that point, I go out to my mailbox. 580 00:36:50,959 --> 00:36:53,503 I receive a letter. I go into my office. 581 00:36:53,503 --> 00:36:55,004 I open the letter up. 582 00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:56,464 And it's the same letter basically 583 00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:58,842 that the medical examiner's office got 584 00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:02,011 stating Adam killed his mother, 585 00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:04,931 and the colchicine is in his vehicle. 586 00:37:08,893 --> 00:37:10,437 News of this letter came in. 587 00:37:10,437 --> 00:37:12,439 We didn't know what to think. 588 00:37:12,439 --> 00:37:14,399 It was just--it was just crazy. 589 00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:21,156 - Everything changed when we got this letter in the mail. 590 00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:23,032 At this point, I say, OK, 591 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,034 now we're looking at a homicide. 592 00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:29,247 - After I open the letter, it's a wrap. 593 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,623 It's a murder. 594 00:37:30,623 --> 00:37:34,669 Now the question is, who wrote the fucking letter? 595 00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:39,758 [ominous music] 596 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:43,303 ♪ ♪ 597 00:37:43,303 --> 00:37:45,305 After my mom passed, 598 00:37:45,305 --> 00:37:47,849 my brother was drinking very heavily. 599 00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:54,147 But it was something that we expected 600 00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:58,651 based on the severity and how depressed he was. 601 00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:02,572 It seemed like his coping mechanism. 602 00:38:02,572 --> 00:38:06,784 - But Adam really thought that after his mother died 603 00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:08,745 that I'd be his girlfriend again. 604 00:38:08,745 --> 00:38:13,583 And he was genuinely surprised and shocked 605 00:38:13,583 --> 00:38:15,877 when I said no. 606 00:38:17,796 --> 00:38:20,882 And that didn't make Adam happy. 607 00:38:20,882 --> 00:38:27,263 ♪ ♪ 608 00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:30,016 - Vin and I did not realize that Adam would 609 00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:33,937 drive by our house and park outside of the house 610 00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:35,897 at all hours of the day and night. 611 00:38:38,274 --> 00:38:42,111 - So I started getting very nervous 612 00:38:42,111 --> 00:38:46,282 because Adam knew where I was. 613 00:38:50,787 --> 00:38:54,415 He knew if I was at a restaurant. 614 00:38:54,415 --> 00:38:56,793 He knew if I was at a friend's house. 615 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,089 I didn't know what he was gonna do. 616 00:39:01,089 --> 00:39:04,842 I didn't know what he could do. 617 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:08,388 I was scared enough that I started carrying 618 00:39:08,388 --> 00:39:12,141 a pocket knife with me just in case. 619 00:39:18,064 --> 00:39:22,068 ROBERT: Once we received the letter, 620 00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:23,611 we had to come up with a plan 621 00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:27,907 as to how we're going to approach Adam, 622 00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:30,034 whether it be we pull him over, 623 00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,036 and we try to search his car that way, 624 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:36,416 whether he's at school, and we go get a search warrant. 625 00:39:36,416 --> 00:39:38,042 MARK: And the plan was hashed out. 626 00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:40,878 We would call him out of the blue. 627 00:39:40,878 --> 00:39:44,507 And the decision was definitely a gamble. 628 00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:46,217 - Adam comes up to the sheriff's office. 629 00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:47,760 Investigator Mark Van Namee takes him 630 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,761 into an interview room. 631 00:39:48,761 --> 00:39:50,722 He just starts talking to Adam. 632 00:39:50,722 --> 00:39:54,809 Again, Adam has no idea what we're looking at. 633 00:39:54,809 --> 00:39:57,896 Adam is very intelligent, a very smart kid. 634 00:39:57,896 --> 00:39:59,314 Dropped out of college a couple times. 635 00:39:59,314 --> 00:40:00,898 He went back to college. 636 00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:04,944 He also seemed to have some troubles in his life. 637 00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:07,280 Investigator Van Namee tells him, 638 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,409 "We received a letter, and here's what it states," 639 00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:14,579 that he killed his mother 640 00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:17,165 and that the colchicine is in his vehicle. 641 00:40:17,165 --> 00:40:19,042 And this was just kind of thrown at him. 642 00:40:19,042 --> 00:40:23,421 And he's like-- he didn't know what to do. 643 00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:26,466 MARK: Once he agreed to let us search his Jeep, 644 00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:30,803 we go out with him to where his car's parked. 645 00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:33,556 ROBERT: It's an older Jeep Wrangler. 646 00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:35,683 There is garbage and everything all over in there. 647 00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:39,312 I mean, it's just piled with stuff in there. 648 00:40:39,312 --> 00:40:41,731 MARK: I wanted Adam to be there 649 00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:42,815 when we were searching his car. 650 00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:45,234 I wanted to see his reaction. 651 00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:47,528 So he's standing there smoking a cigarette. 652 00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:53,451 ROBERT: The forensic investigators 653 00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:56,371 get a garbage bag and start taking trash, 654 00:40:56,371 --> 00:40:57,997 basically is what it is, out of the vehicle 655 00:40:57,997 --> 00:40:59,499 so we could get to look 656 00:40:59,499 --> 00:41:01,167 underneath the seat of the vehicle. 657 00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:02,919 - In my mind, I'm like, there's no way 658 00:41:02,919 --> 00:41:04,921 we're gonna to find anything in this car. 659 00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:09,592 ROBERT: They look underneath the seat. 660 00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:11,719 And right where it said it was in the letter, 661 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,096 there was a package. 47306

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