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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,939 --> 00:00:07,885 [ Man Narrating] In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,941 --> 00:00:11,912 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups- 3 00:00:11,979 --> 00:00:13,925 the police, who investigate crime, 4 00:00:13,981 --> 00:00:16,291 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:16,350 --> 00:00:18,421 These are their stories. 6 00:00:18,485 --> 00:00:21,694 [Rock, Loud] [Man] Two ales! One light and one dark! 7 00:00:21,755 --> 00:00:26,704 [People Chattering] 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,502 - I should've told ya to get two. - Nah. There's too many people. 9 00:00:29,563 --> 00:00:32,305 - Hey, where's Joey? - Way too many old people 10 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:37,247 - Two guesses. - I swear, he finishes his, he ain't gettin' any of mine. 11 00:00:37,304 --> 00:00:39,750 Hey, get us a place up close. 12 00:00:39,806 --> 00:00:42,218 [ Crowd Chanting Indistinct] [ Snorting ] 13 00:00:42,276 --> 00:00:44,222 [Man] And now, the band you've all been waiting for. 14 00:00:44,278 --> 00:00:46,986 - Come on. Self-control, man. - [Coughs] Look-- Look who's talking. 15 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:50,859 Listen, when the music starts, I'm the one who's gonna be flying, and I don't share. 16 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:54,764 - Not even for baby brother? - I'm serious, man! 17 00:00:54,821 --> 00:00:56,630 [Explosion, Muffled] Fine. One more hit. 18 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:59,227 [ People Screaming] Screw this. I'm not missing the opening. 19 00:00:59,293 --> 00:01:01,637 [ Screaming Continues] Dam n! We already missed it! 20 00:01:01,695 --> 00:01:03,641 [Screaming] 21 00:01:03,697 --> 00:01:05,836 There's gotta be a window in here somewhere! 22 00:01:08,969 --> 00:01:11,540 [Girl] I was tryin' to find Rick. He went for a drink. 23 00:01:11,605 --> 00:01:14,279 The crowd was pushing. I didn't know what happened. 24 00:01:14,341 --> 00:01:16,878 I kept yelling at people to get off me sol could find him. 25 00:01:16,944 --> 00:01:20,289 I don't even know if he's okay. Nobody will tell me anything. 26 00:01:20,347 --> 00:01:23,385 They've already taken a bunch of people to the hospital, so it's gonna take some time to sort it out. 27 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:26,522 - He didn't even wanna come here tonight. - Were you able to see how it started? 28 00:01:26,587 --> 00:01:28,760 [ Siren Wails ] Why didn't we go bowling? 29 00:01:28,822 --> 00:01:30,768 Ricky? [Gasps] 30 00:01:30,824 --> 00:01:33,168 Ricky! Ricky! Oh! 31 00:01:33,226 --> 00:01:37,197 - Noise, dope and fire-- Same old Wotan. - You've heard of Wotan? 32 00:01:37,264 --> 00:01:39,870 I worked security at the Garden 20 years ago. 33 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:41,879 - Hey, Williams. - Quite a mess. 34 00:01:41,935 --> 00:01:45,041 - You wanna give us a tour? - Sure, if you feel like having the ceiling collapse on your head. 35 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:47,346 - Should be safe in a couple of hours. - How many people were in the club? 36 00:01:47,407 --> 00:01:51,583 Between 300 and 400. Paramedics have already taken at least 70 people to three hospitals. 37 00:01:51,645 --> 00:01:53,647 Burns and smoke inhalation mostly. 38 00:01:53,714 --> 00:01:55,819 Broken bones from the pushing and shoving. 39 00:01:55,882 --> 00:01:57,919 I'd say we're lucky there weren't more fatalities. 40 00:01:57,985 --> 00:01:59,896 [Police Radio Chatter] 41 00:01:59,953 --> 00:02:01,899 [ Williams ] Typical Friday night. 42 00:02:01,955 --> 00:02:04,697 [ Briscoe] Yeah, in Tel Aviv. 43 00:02:04,758 --> 00:02:07,204 [Radio Chatter Continues] 44 00:02:57,811 --> 00:02:59,813 [ Williams ] It's gonna be hours before I can get you in there. 45 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,623 - Bunch of cretins. it was like tossin' a match in to a hays tack. - They don't have sprinklers? 46 00:03:03,684 --> 00:03:07,393 They're not required in a public facility with a maximum occupancy of 74 or less. 47 00:03:07,454 --> 00:03:09,957 Wait. Didn't you say there were between 300 and 400 people in there? 48 00:03:10,023 --> 00:03:13,300 The nitwit at the door didn't major in math. That gets the owner a fine. 49 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,571 Can you imagine? Nine bodies were found near the front doors- trampled tryin' to get out. 50 00:03:18,632 --> 00:03:21,010 - There had to be other doors, right? - Sure, in the back. 51 00:03:21,068 --> 00:03:24,914 Nobody could see them. �Exit� signs were dark. 52 00:03:24,971 --> 00:03:27,178 That's gotta be a code violation. 53 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,915 Bad lightbulb gets them fine number two. 54 00:03:30,977 --> 00:03:34,083 Twenty-three people dead. Somebody's gonna do more than pay a couple of bucks. 55 00:03:34,147 --> 00:03:37,526 Ask me? Go right to the needle. Do not pass �Go.� Do not pay $200. 56 00:03:37,584 --> 00:03:39,757 Let me ask you this: How'd the band get out? 57 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:42,460 - Three of them through doors backstage. - And the fourth? 58 00:03:42,522 --> 00:03:44,695 He was one of the 23. Bass player. 59 00:03:44,758 --> 00:03:47,034 Larry something. 60 00:03:47,094 --> 00:03:49,631 Look, as soon as I know what started this mess, I'll call you. 61 00:03:49,696 --> 00:03:52,643 I'm no expert, but I saw these guys a half a lifetime ago. 62 00:03:52,699 --> 00:03:56,545 - Back then, they always lined the stage with ?amethrowers. - They still do. 63 00:03:56,603 --> 00:03:59,948 Prometheus 530 flame projectors, to be precise. 64 00:04:00,006 --> 00:04:04,546 The thing is, there's no way that Prometheus should spit out fire high enough to hit the ceiling. 65 00:04:04,611 --> 00:04:07,455 What's the ceiling got to do with it? Made of polyurethane. 66 00:04:07,514 --> 00:04:09,994 Which burns fast as hell. 67 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:12,155 [Sighs] That's the manager over there. 68 00:04:12,219 --> 00:04:14,221 - Name's Champa. - Thanks. 69 00:04:14,287 --> 00:04:17,131 [Policewoman Chattering] Mr. Champa. 70 00:04:17,190 --> 00:04:20,763 - This is a nightmare. My life savin's was in that club. - [Briscoe ] Oh, really? 71 00:04:20,827 --> 00:04:23,671 I know 23 families who really don't give a damn. 72 00:04:23,730 --> 00:04:26,006 Of course I feel for those people, but what could I have done? 73 00:04:26,066 --> 00:04:28,842 First, you could've checked to see if your ceiling was ?ammable. 74 00:04:28,902 --> 00:04:31,508 The neighbors complained about the noise, sol put up soundproofing. 75 00:04:31,571 --> 00:04:33,517 The guy who sold it to me never said anything. 76 00:04:33,573 --> 00:04:35,917 You shouldn't have hired a band that plays with fire. 77 00:04:35,976 --> 00:04:40,015 I don't. All that crap is specifically prohibited in the artist contracts. 78 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,082 [Green] And Wotan signed this contract? 79 00:04:42,149 --> 00:04:45,653 Sure, man. They wanted to get paid. 80 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:50,735 [Guitar: Blues Riff] 81 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:54,170 People say Jack Bruce can play bass. 82 00:04:54,227 --> 00:04:56,332 But they never listened to Larry, you know? 83 00:04:56,396 --> 00:05:00,003 Like, really listened to Larry. 84 00:05:00,066 --> 00:05:04,811 'Cause he was just a whole 'nother planet. 85 00:05:04,871 --> 00:05:06,873 [Continues] I can't believe that he's gone. 86 00:05:06,940 --> 00:05:09,045 Along with 22 paying customers. 87 00:05:09,109 --> 00:05:12,647 - [Briscoe] Look, Mr. Connor. - What do you mean by that? 88 00:05:12,712 --> 00:05:15,784 For 10 bucks a ticket, people don't expect to get barbecued. 89 00:05:15,849 --> 00:05:20,355 - You're blamin' us for this? - Your contract did specifically say no fireworks. 90 00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:24,061 - I didn't know that. - But you read the part about how much you guys were gonna get paid. 91 00:05:24,124 --> 00:05:28,266 Matter of fact, I didn't. Cause Maxie takes care of that. 92 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:31,537 Maxie? Our manager-- Maxie. 93 00:05:32,866 --> 00:05:37,372 Fire is Wotan's trademark. KISS has the makeup. Townshend smashes his guitars. 94 00:05:37,437 --> 00:05:39,439 Rock and roll isn't just about the music. 95 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:41,543 It's the show. It's the spectacle. 96 00:05:41,608 --> 00:05:46,079 - Unfortunately, this "spectacle" doesn't allow fire. - Yeah,yeah. Right. 97 00:05:46,146 --> 00:05:50,356 That is the same mumbo jumbo in every contract in every punk-ass club in America. 98 00:05:50,417 --> 00:05:52,897 And you always ignore it? 99 00:05:52,953 --> 00:05:55,365 Look, a club hires Wotan, they hire the whole package. 100 00:05:55,422 --> 00:05:58,926 -Very bright lights, very loud music-- -Very big flames. 101 00:05:58,992 --> 00:06:02,064 The fans expect it. If we didn't give it to 'em, hell, they'd walk out. 102 00:06:02,128 --> 00:06:04,301 Yeah, we signed the contract. 103 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:06,708 But the club owner-- like every other club owner in America- 104 00:06:06,766 --> 00:06:08,768 gives us the big "wink, wink" when we did. 105 00:06:08,835 --> 00:06:13,011 - You saying that he knew that Wotan was gonna use fire in the act? - Of course he did 106 00:06:13,073 --> 00:06:15,883 We used it the night before. No complaints then. 107 00:06:15,942 --> 00:06:19,856 No problems either. Hey, after 26 years, we know what we're doin'. 108 00:06:19,913 --> 00:06:21,859 Our stuff didn't burn that place down. 109 00:06:21,915 --> 00:06:23,917 Who's in charge of your �stuff�? 110 00:06:25,418 --> 00:06:28,831 These guys went to Juilliard. They're really good musicians. 111 00:06:28,889 --> 00:06:33,031 But nobody paid any attention to their music till we started lighting up the stage. 112 00:06:33,093 --> 00:06:36,563 I kept telling them we didn't need a gimmick, but Teddy-- 113 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:40,339 - Ah, what difference does it make now? - Actually, it makes a huge difference now, Nick. 114 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,573 G?tterd?mmerung. God bless you 115 00:06:42,636 --> 00:06:44,582 It's a German opera. 116 00:06:44,638 --> 00:06:48,142 Wotan and the other gods-- at the end-- 117 00:06:48,208 --> 00:06:50,654 they all die in this amazing fire. 118 00:06:50,710 --> 00:06:53,748 Wait. Hold on. Are you saying that Teddy wanted to die? 119 00:06:53,813 --> 00:06:55,759 No, I'm not. 120 00:06:55,815 --> 00:06:58,955 He just wouldn't let go of this pyro-mythology thing. 121 00:06:59,019 --> 00:07:01,966 And you're the guy who kept his dream alive? Yeah, I'm the guy. 122 00:07:02,022 --> 00:07:06,027 But I set up the equipment before they went on stage... 123 00:07:06,092 --> 00:07:08,038 just like I do every night. 124 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:10,665 And I'm the guy who hit the �On� switch. 125 00:07:10,730 --> 00:07:13,643 There's no way we caused this thing. 126 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:17,238 Twenty-three people are dead because of an opera? 127 00:07:17,304 --> 00:07:19,250 The Germans-- what are ya gonna do? 128 00:07:19,306 --> 00:07:23,118 I'll tell you what the taxpayers want me to do. They want me to string someone up. That's what. 129 00:07:23,176 --> 00:07:26,282 And we would like nothing more than that. But the problem is, who? 130 00:07:26,346 --> 00:07:29,088 Wotan violated a contract. They didn't break no laws. 131 00:07:29,149 --> 00:07:32,289 [Briscoe ] The fire marshal can't say how or when the damn thing started 132 00:07:32,352 --> 00:07:34,992 For all we know, somebody in the crowd lit a candle. 133 00:07:35,055 --> 00:07:37,092 The bottom line is, ain't nobody saw nothin' 134 00:07:37,157 --> 00:07:42,266 Someone did. This is a transcript of one of the thirty-two 911 calls. 135 00:07:43,663 --> 00:07:46,542 �I'm at Danzibar." [Green] That's the club. 136 00:07:46,599 --> 00:07:48,977 �There's a fire on the stage." 137 00:07:53,006 --> 00:07:57,682 I freaked I saw it on the news, but the hospitals weren't giving out names. 138 00:07:57,744 --> 00:07:59,951 That's the last time I let her go to one of those things. 139 00:08:00,013 --> 00:08:03,119 Everything went dark. The only thing that you could see was fire. 140 00:08:03,183 --> 00:08:05,823 People were screaming. I didn't know what to do. 141 00:08:05,885 --> 00:08:07,831 People were crawling on the floor. 142 00:08:07,887 --> 00:08:09,889 Larry's hair was on fire. 143 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:13,728 I tried to help this one girl. And I grabbed her wrist, 144 00:08:13,793 --> 00:08:16,364 and her-- her skin came off in my hand. 145 00:08:16,429 --> 00:08:18,636 Do you really have to do this now? 146 00:08:18,698 --> 00:08:21,975 I'm okay. 147 00:08:22,035 --> 00:08:23,981 [Sniffles] 148 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:29,043 I had my cell in my purse, and I called 911 right away. 149 00:08:30,577 --> 00:08:32,523 I didn't know what else I could do. 150 00:08:32,579 --> 00:08:34,525 That's all you could do. 151 00:08:34,581 --> 00:08:39,052 Now, in your call, you said the stage was on fire? 152 00:08:39,119 --> 00:08:41,065 Yeah, that's right. 153 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:43,158 Did you see how the fire actually started? 154 00:08:43,223 --> 00:08:45,965 It just looked like all of their other concerts. 155 00:08:48,895 --> 00:08:50,841 Except, um-- 156 00:08:53,099 --> 00:08:54,669 Except what? 157 00:08:56,169 --> 00:09:00,914 They always start with Larry and James at the mike... 158 00:09:00,974 --> 00:09:04,512 [Sniff es] with Wotan-- that's Teddy. 159 00:09:04,577 --> 00:09:09,185 - And what about last night? - Larry, the bassist-- 160 00:09:12,018 --> 00:09:13,759 He didn't move. 161 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:17,529 Um, if I'm the stage, which side is he on? 162 00:09:19,926 --> 00:09:23,965 - You can see this is hard for her. - [ Green ] She did great. We 're done. Thank you. 163 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:26,032 Thank you so much. 164 00:09:27,167 --> 00:09:30,239 Tums out the girl was right. The fire did start on the left side of the stage. 165 00:09:30,303 --> 00:09:32,249 - Accident? - You tell me. 166 00:09:32,305 --> 00:09:36,447 Gaines, these are the detectives working on the Danzibar fire. Show them what you've got. 167 00:09:36,509 --> 00:09:38,921 I've been trying to replicate the conditions that started the fire... 168 00:09:38,978 --> 00:09:42,050 using the six throwers recovered from the site. 169 00:09:42,115 --> 00:09:44,117 They work with this ?ammable black powder. 170 00:09:44,184 --> 00:09:47,097 - You pack it in like this. - Looks like a giant M80. 171 00:09:47,153 --> 00:09:49,724 This one doesn't blow up, just flames up. 172 00:09:54,828 --> 00:09:58,366 Given the layout of the stage, there's no way that flame could have reached the ceiling- 173 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:00,377 on five of the throwers anyway. 174 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:03,437 - What about the sixth one? - That's a whole other ball of wax. 175 00:10:03,503 --> 00:10:06,143 - That's the one that was on the left side of the stage? - That would be correct. 176 00:10:06,206 --> 00:10:08,550 See this residue burnt into the metal of the cylinder? 177 00:10:08,608 --> 00:10:12,249 It goes twice as high as in the others- above the level of the electric fuse. 178 00:10:12,312 --> 00:10:14,553 This one burned twice as hot as it's supposed to. 179 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,560 What are you saying? It was defective? 180 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:19,529 Even if it was, it couldn't burn that hot without twice as much powder. 181 00:10:19,586 --> 00:10:23,159 - You mean it was packed wrong? - I mean it was packed twice. 182 00:10:23,223 --> 00:10:25,499 Somebody wanted this thing to burn big. 183 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,263 Why don't you take us through your night, Nick. 184 00:10:31,564 --> 00:10:36,513 - What do you mean? - Well, you got to the club, you blew your nose, whatever. 185 00:10:37,737 --> 00:10:40,149 I got there about 8:00. 186 00:10:40,206 --> 00:10:45,121 The throwers were locked in storage in the back of the club, 'cause we used them the night before. 187 00:10:45,178 --> 00:10:48,716 I, uh, took them out. I loaded them same as always. 188 00:10:48,781 --> 00:10:51,352 Was this before or after a couple of tokes? 189 00:10:51,417 --> 00:10:54,557 I don't do that, man I'm clean since '94. 190 00:10:54,621 --> 00:11:00,196 - Keep goin'. - I, uh-- I set them on stage, the same places as always. 191 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:02,206 Did you test them? 192 00:11:02,262 --> 00:11:05,004 Well, why would I? They worked fine the night before. 193 00:11:05,064 --> 00:11:08,341 Okay. That gets us to 10:00. The band went on about 11 :00. 194 00:11:08,401 --> 00:11:12,349 - What'd you do for that hour, read a book? - Why is he talkin' to me like that? 195 00:11:12,405 --> 00:11:15,318 Because you killed 23 people, Nick! That gets me a little agitated. 196 00:11:15,375 --> 00:11:20,085 I told you-- What are you, some kind of sick bastard that likes to watch things burn? 197 00:11:20,146 --> 00:11:21,819 Lennie! 198 00:11:27,387 --> 00:11:30,391 Okay. So, what'd you do next? 199 00:11:31,791 --> 00:11:35,329 I, uh-- I set up the lights. 200 00:11:35,395 --> 00:11:37,568 - And how long did that take you? - I don't know. 201 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:40,008 Forty, 45 minutes maybe. 202 00:11:40,066 --> 00:11:43,445 So you were done 15 minutes before showtime. 203 00:11:43,503 --> 00:11:47,508 Yeah, like always. So there were 15 minutes where somebody could've rigged the thrower? 204 00:11:47,574 --> 00:11:51,078 - Why would anybody do that? - Right now, I'm more interested in who. 205 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:53,090 You're givin' this yahoo too much credit, Ed. 206 00:11:53,146 --> 00:11:55,092 It wasn't me, okay? 207 00:11:55,148 --> 00:11:57,754 These guys pay me. It's a steady gig. 208 00:11:57,817 --> 00:11:59,888 Why would I risk blowing that? 209 00:11:59,953 --> 00:12:03,423 The thrower started the fire. You loaded the thrower. 210 00:12:03,489 --> 00:12:05,435 I'm not the only one who knows how. 211 00:12:05,491 --> 00:12:07,528 We've been doin' this a long time. 212 00:12:07,594 --> 00:12:10,905 I told you guys-- these guys are into flames. 213 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:15,370 [Exhales] 214 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:20,651 I mean, they all know how to work the equipment. 215 00:12:26,646 --> 00:12:29,820 - Do you believe him? - I think he's scared of his own shadow. 216 00:12:29,883 --> 00:12:33,888 I don't recall anyone giving medals for bravery to arsonists. 217 00:12:33,953 --> 00:12:36,092 What else is a dude like this gonna do for money? 218 00:12:36,155 --> 00:12:39,762 He had to know that would put Wotan out of business-- the fire part of the show anyway. 219 00:12:39,826 --> 00:12:43,205 - I don't think he'd risk it. - He might if he didn't know the ceiling was ?ammable. 220 00:12:43,263 --> 00:12:46,267 You play with fire, you don't get the benefit of the doubt. 221 00:12:46,332 --> 00:12:50,439 True, but think about this. The ?amethrower that was tampered with was right next to Larry. 222 00:12:50,503 --> 00:12:54,007 - Who's Larry? - Larry's the bass player that didn't follow the normal routine that night. 223 00:12:54,073 --> 00:12:56,019 Which put him directly in the hot zone. 224 00:12:56,075 --> 00:12:59,454 The flame hit the ceiling over his head, and it came down on him. 225 00:12:59,512 --> 00:13:02,083 And who knew Larry wasn't going to be where he was supposed to be? 226 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:06,253 Let's find that out. 227 00:13:06,319 --> 00:13:09,323 - [Maxie] You're sayin' somebody was out to get Larry? - No. We're just askin' questions. 228 00:13:09,389 --> 00:13:12,131 Wotan opens the show the same way every night-- 229 00:13:12,191 --> 00:13:15,172 Teddy,James and Larry at the mike, center stage. 230 00:13:15,228 --> 00:13:17,936 - The one night they change-- - Oh, you think one of the guys? 231 00:13:17,997 --> 00:13:19,999 [Briscoe ] Like I said, we're just askin' 232 00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:22,546 Come on. These guys love each other like brothers. 233 00:13:22,602 --> 00:13:25,446 Hey, I love my brother, but I can barely make it through Thanksgiving dinner. 234 00:13:25,505 --> 00:13:27,644 You spend every night together for 26 years, 235 00:13:27,707 --> 00:13:30,517 somebody is bound to get on somebody else's nerves. 236 00:13:30,576 --> 00:13:33,079 Yeah, they've had their disagreements, sure, but nothin' to kill over. 237 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:35,752 Why don't you let us be the judge of that? 238 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:37,761 Well, nothin' recently. 239 00:13:39,419 --> 00:13:41,990 - No, nah. No, it couldn't be. - What? 240 00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:46,060 When we got back to New York, Larry was bangin' Teddy's broad. 241 00:13:46,125 --> 00:13:48,799 �Teddy's broad"? Is that how she's listed in the phone book? 242 00:13:48,861 --> 00:13:52,331 - Debbie something or other. - Well, we 're gettin' closer. 243 00:13:52,398 --> 00:13:54,901 Grimes. She lives down in Soho somewhere, I think. 244 00:13:56,569 --> 00:13:59,277 [ Woman ] Larry was great, man, the best. 245 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:01,717 I assume you're talking about his bass playing. 246 00:14:01,774 --> 00:14:05,620 Hey, I'm not crude. The guy is dead. Let's show some respect. 247 00:14:05,678 --> 00:14:07,624 My partner is just a little old-fashioned. 248 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,626 He just thought that you movin' from Teddy to Larry... 249 00:14:09,682 --> 00:14:12,424 might have brought on some hard feelings between the two of them. 250 00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:15,022 Hell, he's a dinosaur. 251 00:14:15,088 --> 00:14:19,537 Look, I was happy when Teddy remembered my name, okay? 252 00:14:19,592 --> 00:14:23,734 [ Laughing] I mean, these guys, they don't fight over babes. 253 00:14:23,796 --> 00:14:27,369 When they got back to the city-- I think it was CBGB's-- 254 00:14:27,433 --> 00:14:31,279 I went to Teddy's dressing room like always, knocked on the door, 255 00:14:31,337 --> 00:14:33,943 but he was otherwise occupied. 256 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:36,283 You got a name? Of which one? 257 00:14:36,342 --> 00:14:38,288 I knew I should have stuck with the guitar. 258 00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:40,950 - You always go backstage? - Yeah, so? 259 00:14:41,014 --> 00:14:42,960 - [Green] You were there the night of the fire? - Sure. 260 00:14:43,015 --> 00:14:45,621 - [Briscoe] Who else was there with you? - The guys, some chicks. 261 00:14:45,685 --> 00:14:48,291 - You remember any names? - One of them, I do. 262 00:14:48,354 --> 00:14:52,063 - Terry. She's, like, always there. - [Green] Terry? 263 00:14:52,125 --> 00:14:55,265 - Yeah, that's her. - She's got a pierced eyebrow, long brown hair? 264 00:14:55,328 --> 00:14:58,138 That's the girl who called 911. 265 00:14:58,197 --> 00:15:02,612 - Sounds to me like you're a regular at these Wotan gigs. - I like their music. 266 00:15:02,668 --> 00:15:04,614 A lot of people like their music, Teresa. 267 00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:06,672 They don't all get backstage passes. 268 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,310 What are you, my dad or something? 269 00:15:09,375 --> 00:15:13,448 Look, I'm not the first girl to like hanging out with musicians. 270 00:15:13,513 --> 00:15:17,484 There's no sex or anything. I just party with them, and that's as far as it goes. 271 00:15:17,550 --> 00:15:20,724 Why didn't you tell us you were in their dressing room the first time we talked? 272 00:15:20,787 --> 00:15:23,358 Duh. My mother was standing right there, remember? 273 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:27,195 What, do you guys really think I had something to do with that fire? 274 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:30,264 No, no. But now that we got all our cards on the table, 275 00:15:30,329 --> 00:15:32,605 maybe you can help us find out who did. 276 00:15:32,665 --> 00:15:36,909 Let me ask you this. Fifteen minutes before the band goes on, who's backstage with you? 277 00:15:36,969 --> 00:15:39,142 - The band. - Come on. 278 00:15:39,205 --> 00:15:43,517 [Sighs] Nick, a couple of new girls. 279 00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:45,715 Um, Pete, Glen. 280 00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:47,951 - Who? - The roadies. 281 00:15:50,616 --> 00:15:53,460 - You know, Mitch wasn't there. - [Briscoe] Who's Mitch? 282 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:55,430 The sound guy. 283 00:15:59,592 --> 00:16:01,868 That's right. I wasn't partying 284 00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:03,930 Someone in that damn crew has to do some work. 285 00:16:03,996 --> 00:16:08,206 - So you were busy turning dials, huh? - Somethin' like that. 286 00:16:08,267 --> 00:16:11,578 You know, in the long run, it was time to hang up the ol' spurs. 287 00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:14,277 All that travelin' was gettin' to me. This is where I belong. 288 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:18,618 - Turning dials. - You know, that was funny once. 289 00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:21,716 What about the dials on the ?amethrower? You turn them too? 290 00:16:21,781 --> 00:16:23,727 Screw you. 291 00:16:23,783 --> 00:16:26,923 Now, you see, that kind of attitude's gonna get you in trouble. 292 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:31,696 It turns out everybody but you was in Teddy's room partying before the show. 293 00:16:31,757 --> 00:16:36,263 Really? Look, I didn't mess with the throwers. 294 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:38,866 But I have a feeling he knows who did, don't you, Ed? 295 00:16:38,931 --> 00:16:40,933 Come on Mitch. 296 00:16:42,168 --> 00:16:44,375 Give us a hint. Teddy. 297 00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:48,385 Man, he thought we still should be playin' the Garden. 298 00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:50,387 Small wasn't good enough for him. 299 00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:53,947 I told him, �Let's go unplugged. That'd be cool," right? 300 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,015 - Mitch. - The fire. 301 00:16:56,082 --> 00:16:59,188 Teddy was crazy about it. He wanted it big, like the old days. 302 00:16:59,252 --> 00:17:04,099 He said, �If we think big, if we act big, we'll be big." 303 00:17:04,156 --> 00:17:07,399 - So he wanted bigger pyro? - Yeah. 304 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:10,532 Nickie told him the clubs we played now couldn't handle it. 305 00:17:10,596 --> 00:17:13,042 - That must have pissed Teddy off. - Tell me about it. 306 00:17:13,099 --> 00:17:16,410 Just before the last gig, the son of a bitch told me to rig the throwers. 307 00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:21,043 - So you were just following orders. - Hey, I don't mess with that crap. I did my thing. 308 00:17:21,107 --> 00:17:24,520 When you left, where was Teddy? 309 00:17:26,078 --> 00:17:29,355 Onstage... alone. 310 00:17:29,415 --> 00:17:33,295 This dude is just a washed-up wannabe who's tryin' to return to his rightful spot... 311 00:17:33,352 --> 00:17:35,354 at the top of the rock-and-roll food chain. 312 00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:38,061 It would have been a lot safer to write a couple of new songs. 313 00:17:38,124 --> 00:17:40,661 - [Scoffs ] You ever listen to any of their music? - See, that's the thing. 314 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:44,538 Whatever stardom Wotan had, it ain't because of their music. It's because of their live shows. 315 00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:48,170 Connor thought if he made a big enough bang with the press and his fans, 316 00:17:48,234 --> 00:17:51,147 that he could hock the tour bus and start ridin' private jets again. 317 00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:53,150 So he burned down a club? 318 00:17:53,206 --> 00:17:55,152 Hey, Ozzy bit off a bat's head. 319 00:17:55,208 --> 00:17:58,018 He wanted more fire. I doubt he thought it through. 320 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:00,614 Guys, we can't arrest a man on motive alone. 321 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,354 All the physical evidence went up in smoke, so to speak. 322 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:06,989 The guy who works the equipment says that Connor begged him? to rig the thrower 323 00:18:07,053 --> 00:18:08,999 And when he refused, he asked the sound guy. 324 00:18:09,055 --> 00:18:13,333 Who will testify that he left Connor alone on the stage before the show. 325 00:18:13,392 --> 00:18:16,601 Well, does this Connor know how to operate this doohickey? 326 00:18:16,662 --> 00:18:18,801 Yeah, like playin' a "C" chord. 327 00:18:18,865 --> 00:18:23,610 All right. Let's light a fuse under this moron and see how loud he screams. 328 00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:27,116 - [ Electric Bass] - Stop! Stop! 329 00:18:27,173 --> 00:18:31,144 Damn it, Maxie! I said bigger. Bigger! Doesn't anybody do �bigger� anymore? 330 00:18:31,210 --> 00:18:34,419 - I hear they got a lot of big guys to choose from up in Ossining. - What? 331 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,360 Teddy Connor, you're under arrest for arson and murder 23 times. 332 00:18:38,417 --> 00:18:40,624 Now that's got a nice beat, and you can dance to it. 333 00:18:40,686 --> 00:18:44,691 You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. 334 00:18:46,859 --> 00:18:50,898 Docket number 832677: People v. Theodore Connor. 335 00:18:50,963 --> 00:18:54,706 One count of arson in the first degree. Twenty-three counts of murder in the first degree. 336 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:58,445 Didn't your mother teach you about playing with matches? 337 00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:01,144 [ Woman] Your Honor might not recognize my client, but he is-- 338 00:19:01,207 --> 00:19:05,485 Oh, yes, she does. I sat in the mud at Roosevelt Raceway back in '79. 339 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:07,956 You were three hours late, Mr. Connor. 340 00:19:08,014 --> 00:19:10,824 I hope Your Honor will approach this with an open mind. 341 00:19:10,883 --> 00:19:13,523 Not to worry, counselor. That's where I met my husband. 342 00:19:13,586 --> 00:19:15,862 How do you plead? 343 00:19:15,921 --> 00:19:18,333 - Not guilty. - Ms. Southerlyn? 344 00:19:18,391 --> 00:19:22,703 - The People request remand, Judge. The enormity of the crime itself-- - Is irrelevant. 345 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:26,833 But the defendant's financial means isn't. 346 00:19:26,899 --> 00:19:29,539 - He's a flight risk, Your Honor. - [Attorney] Ten years ago, maybe. 347 00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:32,776 Yes, Mr. Connor's made a great deal of money in his career, but he has spent more. 348 00:19:32,838 --> 00:19:34,784 He can barely make ends meet. 349 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,619 Why should he be any different? Bail is set at 500,000, cash or bond. 350 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,681 [Gavel Raps] 351 00:19:42,782 --> 00:19:46,059 Bad things happen, Jack. They're not always criminal. 352 00:19:46,118 --> 00:19:49,031 [McCoy] Twenty-three corpses is more than a "bad thing." 353 00:19:49,088 --> 00:19:51,830 It was an accident- an act of God- not a murder. 354 00:19:51,891 --> 00:19:54,462 If God wanted that club to burn, he wouldn't have used a ?amethrower. 355 00:19:54,527 --> 00:19:57,508 Are you saying that someone screwed with our equipment? 356 00:19:57,563 --> 00:20:00,510 - No. I'm saying you did, Mr. Connor. - Oh, this is crazy. 357 00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:04,605 As a crime is what it is. Don't you see what happens here, jack? 358 00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:09,585 A high-profile client like Teddy Connor, the mere fact that he's arrested makes him guilty in the eyes of the public. 359 00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:11,588 Actually, it's the jury he should worry about. 360 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:14,181 The jury, I can handle. What happens when he's acquitted? 361 00:20:14,246 --> 00:20:16,817 Who's going to a Wotan concert now you've ruined his good name? 362 00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:19,055 Who are you kidding? Notoriety sells tickets. 363 00:20:19,118 --> 00:20:22,429 We're not gonna take that chance. When Mr. Connor's acquitted, 364 00:20:22,488 --> 00:20:25,367 we'll want there to be a fully public record. 365 00:20:27,026 --> 00:20:29,028 My motion to let TV cameras in the courtroom. 366 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,607 The world's gonna watch this one, Jack. 367 00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:34,667 If I were you, I'd get a new suit. 368 00:20:39,939 --> 00:20:41,885 Counsel is wasting everyone's time. 369 00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:44,285 Section 52 of the New York Civil Rights Law... 370 00:20:44,343 --> 00:20:48,223 specifically prohibits cameras of any sort in the courtroom. 371 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,590 And said law was passed in 1952. 372 00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:54,187 It's about time New York made that giant leap into the 21 st century. 373 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:57,757 We are only one of nine states that have a per se ban-- And I'm sure Ms. Teller is aware... 374 00:20:57,823 --> 00:21:01,600 making that leap is the bailiwick of the legislature and not a trial court, Judge. 375 00:21:01,661 --> 00:21:05,632 It is when a statute violates the First Amendment, 376 00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:07,700 which requires that criminal trials be open to the press... 377 00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:12,079 unless there are compelling and clearly articulated reasons for closing such proceedings. 378 00:21:12,138 --> 00:21:14,209 This is a high-profile case, Your Honor. 379 00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:18,187 Surely press from around the planet will be intent on reporting it. 380 00:21:18,244 --> 00:21:20,554 Obviously, our meager courtrooms will not permit-- 381 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:23,617 [McCoy] I'm not concerned about the press. I'm concerned about a fair trial, 382 00:21:23,682 --> 00:21:26,390 which means keeping the hoopla to a minimum. 383 00:21:26,452 --> 00:21:30,594 - Albany obviously shares that concern. - You are putting a rock star on trial. 384 00:21:30,656 --> 00:21:32,727 Hoopla is a foregone conclusion. 385 00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:37,172 Your Honor, there is precedent ignoring the statutory ban. New York v. Boss, People v. Barron. 386 00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:39,175 What's really going on here, counselor? 387 00:21:39,231 --> 00:21:42,405 If my client is to be crucified because he's a public figure, 388 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:45,244 the least I can ask is that the public bear witness. 389 00:21:47,006 --> 00:21:50,476 What the hell? It's about time we got those old boys in Albany off their butts. 390 00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:53,752 - Your Honor! - Come on, Jack. Who's it gonna hurt? 391 00:21:56,182 --> 00:21:58,128 [Branch] Well, what are you gonna do? 392 00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:01,256 The Sixth Amendment says public trial, and that's what he's entitled to. 393 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,029 You commending a judicial activist? That's what appeals are for. 394 00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:08,071 The cameras have to affect the way people behave. 395 00:22:08,127 --> 00:22:10,300 You mean they'll actually tell the truth? 396 00:22:10,362 --> 00:22:14,538 I mean it's not okay for the medium to be the message in the courtroom. 397 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,602 - Is this S.O.B. guilty? - Yes. 398 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:19,081 - Can you prove it? - I think so. 399 00:22:19,138 --> 00:22:21,914 Then my advice-- get a new suit and enjoy. 400 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:27,246 It's clear from mere visual inspection that the ?amethrower in question... 401 00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:30,226 emitted a stronger flame than the others on stage. 402 00:22:30,282 --> 00:22:34,958 - How much stronger? - The others reached a maximum heat of 300 degrees Fahrenheit. 403 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,125 This one, I'd guess, was close to 600. 404 00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:40,033 - Would that create a bigger flame? - Yes. 405 00:22:40,092 --> 00:22:42,129 In the same proportion-- it would be twice as big 406 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:44,140 Could this happen through a malfunction? 407 00:22:44,196 --> 00:22:47,370 No. In my opinion, the only way this could happen... 408 00:22:47,433 --> 00:22:52,212 is for the flame projector to be filled with twice the combustible material. 409 00:22:52,271 --> 00:22:54,217 Thank you. 410 00:22:54,273 --> 00:22:56,947 Did you check the ?amethrower in question for fingerprints? 411 00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:59,080 - That wouldn't be feasible. - Why not? 412 00:22:59,145 --> 00:23:01,887 - It's covered in carbon. - From the subsequent fire. 413 00:23:01,947 --> 00:23:05,690 - That's correct. - So there is no scientific evidence indicating who it was... 414 00:23:05,751 --> 00:23:07,924 who added the extra combustible material. 415 00:23:09,521 --> 00:23:11,592 No. 416 00:23:16,095 --> 00:23:19,235 I've been on the road with Wotan for over 20 years, 417 00:23:19,298 --> 00:23:22,006 since back when they were known as Cain's Ire. 418 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:24,775 We played the largest arenas in the world. 419 00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:27,408 - And your effects were bigger back then? - Yes. 420 00:23:27,473 --> 00:23:32,286 At a place like the Meadowlands, Teddy said we needed spectacle. 421 00:23:32,344 --> 00:23:36,315 - And, uh, that's what he gave us. - For example? 422 00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:40,159 We had a thrower that would shoot flames 20 feet up in the air. 423 00:23:40,219 --> 00:23:42,927 We called it the, uh, pillar of fire. 424 00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:46,765 We used gerb fans, flash reports- you name it. 425 00:23:46,825 --> 00:23:49,772 Teddy always wanted to push the envelope, and, uh, 426 00:23:49,829 --> 00:23:52,867 I have to admit, I got a kick out of it too. 427 00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:57,403 What would happen if you used that kind of equipment in the smaller clubs you play now? 428 00:23:57,469 --> 00:23:59,415 They wouldn't even fit on the stage. 429 00:23:59,471 --> 00:24:02,941 Did the defendant want to push the envelope in his recent gigs? 430 00:24:03,008 --> 00:24:07,650 Yeah, sure, we talked about it. You know, bring back the pillar 431 00:24:07,713 --> 00:24:11,490 He said the gags would put asses in the seats. 432 00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:14,087 And he wasn't concerned about the safety of those asses? 433 00:24:14,153 --> 00:24:16,827 That was my job. 434 00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:21,736 He wanted me to go bigger. I wouldn't. 435 00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:28,742 - It sounds to me like you miss the good ol' days. - Well, sure. Who doesn't? 436 00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:31,873 - Twenty-foot flames must get your juices going. - Objection. 437 00:24:31,937 --> 00:24:33,883 [ Judge Bums ] Sustained 438 00:24:35,774 --> 00:24:39,984 You testified that the defendant asked you to increase the fireworks at recent shows. 439 00:24:40,045 --> 00:24:41,991 - Is that correct? - Yeah. 440 00:24:42,047 --> 00:24:44,891 - He asked for bigger flames. - Did he ever say why? 441 00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:49,524 Publicity. You know, bring back the good ol' days. 442 00:24:49,588 --> 00:24:52,762 - To play big stadiums again. - That's right. 443 00:24:54,259 --> 00:24:56,796 You know, Mr. Stoller, I've been listening to you very carefully. 444 00:24:56,862 --> 00:25:01,208 And whenever you spoke about the band, you say �we.� 445 00:25:02,267 --> 00:25:06,010 I don't know. I've been with them 20 years. 446 00:25:06,071 --> 00:25:07,482 - You play guitar, do you? - No. 447 00:25:07,539 --> 00:25:10,679 - Keyboards. - I don't play an instrument. 448 00:25:10,743 --> 00:25:14,953 That's right. Your job is to play with fire. 449 00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:23,359 I'm always the last one on stage before the show. 450 00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:26,164 I--I test volume, 451 00:25:26,225 --> 00:25:29,138 make sure the cables are out of the way so nobody trips or anything. 452 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,140 And you're alone when you do this? 453 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:33,733 Nick and I usually do our things together. 454 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,075 He finishes up before me though. 455 00:25:36,135 --> 00:25:39,548 - And the night of the tragedy at Danzibar? - Teddy was there with us. 456 00:25:39,605 --> 00:25:44,748 He was pissed off because the gig the night before didn't pull in capacity. 457 00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:46,983 He thought that we needed to shake things up a bit, 458 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:50,493 you know, to bring us back to the big time. 459 00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:53,792 He asked Nickie to up the amps on the fire stunts. 460 00:25:53,852 --> 00:25:56,628 - And Nickie refused? - He said no way. 461 00:25:56,689 --> 00:25:59,067 With the ceilings in that club, it'd be a disaster. 462 00:25:59,124 --> 00:26:02,697 - And what happened next? - Nickie finished up with the flamethrowers and left. 463 00:26:02,761 --> 00:26:07,506 Then Teddy told me to add some more powder to the throwers. 464 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:10,342 But I heard what Nickie just told him, sol said no way. 465 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:13,440 He said just upping one of the throwers would be cool 466 00:26:13,505 --> 00:26:16,315 I told him I wasn't touching a thing. Then I left. 467 00:26:16,375 --> 00:26:19,913 And the defendant was on stage alone? 468 00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:24,083 As far as I know. 469 00:26:29,555 --> 00:26:33,196 - You're a soundman, aren't you? - That's right. 470 00:26:34,493 --> 00:26:37,804 Why would Mr. Connor think to ask you to rig the ?amethrowers? 471 00:26:37,863 --> 00:26:41,811 With the models we use now, it's not really brain surgery. We all knew how they work. 472 00:26:41,867 --> 00:26:43,938 Who exactly? 473 00:26:44,003 --> 00:26:46,643 Teddy, Larry, Burly, 474 00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:49,584 James, Peter and Glen and probably Maxie too. 475 00:26:49,641 --> 00:26:52,212 - All of us. - I see. 476 00:26:52,277 --> 00:26:55,952 Now, when you left the stage prior to the show, 477 00:26:56,014 --> 00:26:59,052 you don't know how long the defendant remained there, do you? 478 00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,462 - No. - And you can't say... 479 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,765 if Larry or Burly or James or Maxie showed up after he left. 480 00:27:06,825 --> 00:27:08,771 No. 481 00:27:14,833 --> 00:27:18,838 Mm, it was dark. Um, then the curtains came up. 482 00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:21,475 Were the band members on the stage? 483 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:24,020 They were sort of back near the drums. 484 00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:26,022 And then? 485 00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:29,685 Then James played a loud chord, 486 00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,752 and, um, they moved into position. 487 00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:36,129 It was still dark. Where were they on the stage? 488 00:27:36,188 --> 00:27:38,725 Bury was back by the drums. 489 00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:43,796 Um, James and Teddy were by the mike in the center of the stage. 490 00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:48,140 - And Larry? - Larry was off to the left, near me. 491 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,977 What happened then? James played another chord 492 00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:54,574 The ?amethrowers, they shot up, straight up. 493 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,350 [inhales] And, um-- 494 00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:02,620 That's when I, uh-- That's when I heard- 495 00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:06,722 What Teresa? 496 00:28:06,785 --> 00:28:09,026 I heard Larry scream. 497 00:28:09,088 --> 00:28:12,194 The flames on my side of the stage hit the ceiling, 498 00:28:12,257 --> 00:28:14,999 and there's, like, a big flash. 499 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:18,735 It was on fire. 500 00:28:18,797 --> 00:28:21,334 And soon the whole ceiling-- 501 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,711 It fell on his head, and he was on fire. 502 00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:37,691 How was it you came to be standing backstage? 503 00:28:40,486 --> 00:28:43,126 Um, I know some of the guys in the band. 504 00:28:43,188 --> 00:28:45,691 One in particular? 505 00:28:45,757 --> 00:28:49,295 - Teddy. - And he invited you backstage to his dressing room, did he? 506 00:28:54,867 --> 00:28:57,814 Please speak up. 507 00:28:57,870 --> 00:28:59,816 Yes. 508 00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:02,853 But I know for a fact that he didn't rig the ?amethrower. 509 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:09,222 - How can you be sure? - Because I was with him the whole time until they started playing. 510 00:29:09,281 --> 00:29:11,283 And where exactly were you and Mr. Connor? 511 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,732 We were in the band's tour bus. 512 00:29:17,155 --> 00:29:21,604 He and I were- You know. 513 00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,641 No. You're gonna have to be more specific. 514 00:29:26,999 --> 00:29:28,945 We were screwing, okay? 515 00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:36,375 That's not what she told the cops. 516 00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:43,653 This isn't a game, Teresa. I'm telling the truth. 517 00:29:43,715 --> 00:29:45,661 Then why didn't you tell anyone before? 518 00:29:45,717 --> 00:29:48,994 I'm 18 years old. I live at home. My mother-- 519 00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:51,591 - Why are you doing this? - Because that's what happened. 520 00:29:51,657 --> 00:29:54,228 She thinks I'm a virgin. I'm not. 521 00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:56,739 Do you think he gives a damn about you? 522 00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:59,503 - What do you care? - It's wrong, Terry! 523 00:29:59,565 --> 00:30:02,045 If he started that fire-- If he killed all those people-- 524 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,809 He didn't. He was with me in the tour bus. 525 00:30:05,871 --> 00:30:07,976 He couldn't have done anything to the ?amethrower. 526 00:30:15,881 --> 00:30:19,260 Of course I 'd like to play bigger places. What musician wouldn't? 527 00:30:19,318 --> 00:30:22,458 But, you know, lightin' some joint on fire-- that's no way to get there. 528 00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:26,936 So you never asked Nick Stoller to increase the flames? 529 00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:30,098 Hell. Sure, I did. I mean, I asked if we could. 530 00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:35,009 'Cause that fire, man, it would get my adrenaline pumpin', get that adrenaline blastin'. 531 00:30:35,067 --> 00:30:37,274 You know, it made for a better gig. 532 00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:40,874 But, uh, he says that's as high as we can go, I believe him. 533 00:30:40,939 --> 00:30:42,885 - No questions asked. - That's right. 534 00:30:42,941 --> 00:30:44,978 I mean, that's what I pay him for. 535 00:30:45,043 --> 00:30:49,048 I know this is dangerous and-- I loved Larry. 536 00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:51,720 I love this band,you know? 537 00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:55,230 I'd be nothin' without them and my fans. 538 00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:59,167 So your sound man, Mitch Sellman, he was lying on the stand.... 539 00:30:59,224 --> 00:31:03,138 when he said that you asked him to increase the flames. 540 00:31:03,195 --> 00:31:07,666 Yes, he was. I don't know why he'd want to do that to me, 541 00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:09,679 but he was lying. 542 00:31:09,735 --> 00:31:11,737 And before the show, where were you? 543 00:31:13,105 --> 00:31:17,520 Well, like the girl said, you know? I was in the bus, me and her. 544 00:31:21,513 --> 00:31:23,686 �The girl." You don't know her name. 545 00:31:23,749 --> 00:31:25,854 We play a lot of cities, man. 546 00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:31,094 And there are lots of nameless, faceless ports in the storm. 547 00:31:31,156 --> 00:31:33,568 Yeah, that's right. That's part of the gig. 548 00:31:33,625 --> 00:31:35,798 Sex and drugs and rock and roll. 549 00:31:35,861 --> 00:31:37,932 I gave up the drugs about 10 years ago. 550 00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:41,375 - But not the sex. - [Scoffs] Not till I die. 551 00:31:41,433 --> 00:31:45,404 [Spectators Chuckling] What about the rock and roll? 552 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:47,916 Well, that's why I live, you know? 553 00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:50,351 Nothin' in the world like being on stage in front of people that love my music. 554 00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:54,357 - Nothin' between me and them-- - Except a wall of fire. 555 00:31:54,413 --> 00:31:57,553 It turns 'em on. I mean, rock is spectacle. 556 00:31:57,616 --> 00:32:00,358 And the bigger the fire, the bigger the spectacle. 557 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:04,663 That's right, you know. I mean, my fans want it, I give it to 'em. 558 00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:10,036 Even though there area 't as many as there used to be. 559 00:32:10,095 --> 00:32:12,473 - They're still out there. That's right. What was I thinking? 560 00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:15,808 You did bring, what, 300 people to that club. 561 00:32:15,867 --> 00:32:19,940 - We sold it out. - With people who love your music. 562 00:32:20,005 --> 00:32:21,951 That's right. 563 00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:26,979 - With people who would do anything to protect you. - Objection! 564 00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:28,718 - Sustained. - You know what, man.' 565 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:30,851 They would do anything, 'cause we were gods. 566 00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:34,659 They worshiped us. They slept in line for days to hear us. 567 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,927 They sat in the mud. They sat in the rain. 568 00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:40,937 Must be difficult when all that worship disappears. 569 00:32:40,992 --> 00:32:46,908 - Only it didn't. - Well, at least not for one teenage girl anyway. 570 00:32:49,334 --> 00:32:52,406 I was in that bus with her. 571 00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:55,042 I'm sure you were. 572 00:32:56,208 --> 00:32:59,382 Tell me, Mr. Connor. How old are you? 573 00:33:02,547 --> 00:33:04,493 Fifty-two. 574 00:33:08,887 --> 00:33:10,833 Thank you. 575 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:14,437 [Coughs] 576 00:33:14,493 --> 00:33:17,064 I thought the jury would be back by now. 577 00:33:17,129 --> 00:33:21,908 Don't worry. Teddy Connor looked like a pitiful has-been willing to do anything to recapture his past. 578 00:33:21,967 --> 00:33:25,881 And Teresa Drosi looked like a groupie willing to say anything to protect her idol. 579 00:33:25,937 --> 00:33:27,939 Let's hope the jury sees it that way. 580 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,418 [ Phone Rings] [Briefcase Latch Snaps] 581 00:33:31,476 --> 00:33:33,478 Mr. Branch's office. 582 00:33:35,113 --> 00:33:39,152 Fine. Judge Burns would like to see you first thing tomorrow morning. 583 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:45,229 The jury has requested they be read the entirety of Teresa Drosi's testimony. Any objections? 584 00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:49,033 - Does it make a difference that she's lying through her teeth? - Isn't that for a jury to decide? 585 00:33:49,094 --> 00:33:51,199 I'll repeat my question. 586 00:33:51,263 --> 00:33:53,470 - Are there any objections? - [McCoy] No, Your Honor. 587 00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:56,069 - [ Teller] Not from me, Judge. - Now, wasn't that easy? 588 00:34:00,438 --> 00:34:04,477 Just a thought, Your Honor. Who's gonna be reading the transcript in the jury room? 589 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:07,114 - My clerk. - Mr. Rodriguez 590 00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:09,921 - That's right. - Then I do have an objection. 591 00:34:09,981 --> 00:34:14,396 - The emotional nature of her testimony might be obscured by a man. - Come on. Her words are her words. 592 00:34:14,453 --> 00:34:17,923 Yes, but her credibility depends on how those words are reenacted to the jury. 593 00:34:17,989 --> 00:34:21,994 - I'm not gonna go out and hire another clerk for this, counselor - I'm not asking you to. 594 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,006 The cameras in the courtroom filmed the entire proceeding. 595 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:27,043 - Why don't we let them actually see Teresa Drosi's testimony? - Absolutely not. 596 00:34:27,098 --> 00:34:30,045 Other than the five pounds the camera adds to her, give me one good reason. 597 00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:33,139 The cameras in and of themselves violate the statutory language. 598 00:34:33,205 --> 00:34:37,881 To actually allow their use in the proceedings would compound that violation exponentially. 599 00:34:37,943 --> 00:34:42,449 - It's reversible error. - Last time I checked, we were after accuracy. 600 00:34:42,514 --> 00:34:45,893 - And you believe every image you see in the 6:00 news? - You know what, jack? 601 00:34:45,951 --> 00:34:49,057 We've got a horse. We might as well get what we can from her mouth. 602 00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:54,661 - [Branch] She still lying? - We were screwing, okay? 603 00:34:54,726 --> 00:34:56,899 To be honest, I can't tell anymore. 604 00:34:58,363 --> 00:35:01,037 [Tape Squealing] You tell me if this isn't reasonable doubt. 605 00:35:04,035 --> 00:35:06,481 [ Teller On Videotape ] And where exactly were you and Mr. Connor? 606 00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:09,610 Uh, we were in the band's tour bus. 607 00:35:11,543 --> 00:35:15,923 He and I were- You know. 608 00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:18,825 [ Teller] No. You're gonna have to be more specific. 609 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:23,796 We were screwing, okay? [ Remote Control Clicks] 610 00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:27,826 - Well? - Look at her eyes. 611 00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:32,137 - She's embarrassed - No. If she were embarrassed, she'd be looking down. 612 00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:35,610 - Okay. She's proud she slept with her hero. - Then I'd think she 'd look at him. 613 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:37,613 I don't think that's pride on her face. I think that's defiance. 614 00:35:37,669 --> 00:35:40,206 She's looking directly into the back of the gallery. 615 00:35:40,272 --> 00:35:43,617 - Who was sitting there? - Her mother. 616 00:35:43,675 --> 00:35:45,484 Her doting, overprotective mother. 617 00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:48,354 Who didn't want her to go to the concert in the first place. 618 00:35:48,413 --> 00:35:51,019 Do you really think she'd lie on the stand to provoke her mother? 619 00:35:51,082 --> 00:35:53,562 You were once a teenage girl. You tell me. 620 00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:58,201 - I'll round them all up. - No, not yet. 621 00:35:58,256 --> 00:36:01,294 I'm thinking we ought to try a little one-on-one first. 622 00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:07,335 [ Teresa] I've said in court what happened 623 00:36:07,399 --> 00:36:09,606 I think you said what you wanted to have happened. 624 00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:12,239 Well, you're wrong then. 625 00:36:12,304 --> 00:36:14,784 I've been there, Teresa. 626 00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:17,046 You slept with a rock star. 627 00:36:17,108 --> 00:36:20,646 No, but I had a mother. 628 00:36:20,712 --> 00:36:22,658 I don't know what you mean. 629 00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:24,751 A mother who dragged me to church every Sunday... 630 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,423 and who thought that sex was something that should only happen between husband and wife. 631 00:36:28,486 --> 00:36:30,932 - You are so off-base. - Am I? 632 00:36:30,989 --> 00:36:34,527 - Mm. - 'Cause I saw your mom. 633 00:36:34,592 --> 00:36:39,405 - I saw the look she had in her eye when you said that you slept with Teddy. - So? 634 00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:44,436 So it's the same look my mom had when I came home from my junior prom at 6:00 a.m. 635 00:36:44,502 --> 00:36:47,745 Nothing happened, but I kinda liked her assuming the worst. 636 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:51,586 I don't know why she wants to help him. 637 00:36:53,111 --> 00:36:55,057 On the other hand, maybe she's telling the truth. 638 00:36:55,113 --> 00:36:58,993 No. I mean, Teresa's not like that. 639 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:04,227 If that's the case, I wonder if her lies were meant more to hurt you than to help him. 640 00:37:04,289 --> 00:37:06,895 I don't know what you're talking about. 641 00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:10,997 I'm a father, Ms. Drosi. I know the battles that go on between teenage girls and their mothers. 642 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:14,976 Terry and I-- She loves me. 643 00:37:15,033 --> 00:37:20,574 Now is not the time to be some kind of puritanical hero, Ms. Drosi. 644 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,109 - If there's any chance Teresa was with Teddy Connor- - No. 645 00:37:25,343 --> 00:37:29,018 Then I can and will bring criminal charges against her. 646 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,856 - For what? - I'll start with perjury... 647 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:34,123 and move on to abetting 23 counts of murder. 648 00:37:34,185 --> 00:37:40,033 - She didn't do anything. - She's helping Teddy Connor cover up any number of felonies. 649 00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:43,732 - If you know why... - Because she's a stupid little... 650 00:37:47,232 --> 00:37:50,076 Look, she's lying. 651 00:37:50,135 --> 00:37:52,342 I know she's lying. 652 00:37:54,205 --> 00:37:56,207 Why is it so hard to believe he'd sleep with me? 653 00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:58,880 - That's not what I'm saying. - There are a lot of guys that are interested in me. 654 00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:01,355 I'm sure there are. Look at him, Teresa. 655 00:38:01,413 --> 00:38:04,656 - Is Teddy Connor someone... - He's a great musician. 656 00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:07,595 He's a genius. He writes all of the band's music. 657 00:38:09,187 --> 00:38:13,636 [Sighs] I am sorry, but that is hardly a reason to throw your life away. 658 00:38:16,494 --> 00:38:20,601 - What are you talking about? - Perjury is a crime, Teresa. 659 00:38:20,665 --> 00:38:23,111 So is �accomplice after the fact." 660 00:38:23,168 --> 00:38:26,615 If Teddy Connor gets away with this because of your lying, 661 00:38:26,671 --> 00:38:29,151 Jack McCoy is gonna take his anger out on someone. 662 00:38:33,545 --> 00:38:36,116 You're gonna have to prove I lied, then, 663 00:38:36,181 --> 00:38:38,457 and you can't do that. 664 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,369 Well, if it's any consolation, it looks like the jury's as confused as we are. 665 00:38:46,424 --> 00:38:50,133 Only I'm not confused. Teresa Drosi all but told me she was lying. 666 00:38:50,195 --> 00:38:54,200 Did you tell her she could spend her twenties in Ossining on us? 667 00:38:54,265 --> 00:38:57,041 She's protecting a musical genius. 668 00:38:57,102 --> 00:38:59,104 [McCoy] Let me ask you both something. 669 00:38:59,170 --> 00:39:01,810 A hypothetical mother is told that all she has to do to keep her daughter out of prison... 670 00:39:01,873 --> 00:39:05,480 is say that said daughter slept with a hypothetical rock star, 671 00:39:05,543 --> 00:39:08,422 yet that mother refuses to do that. 672 00:39:10,115 --> 00:39:13,619 - Why? - To protect her baby's good name? 673 00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:16,632 She is going to prison. 674 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:20,158 Well, if the hypothetical rock star was particularly disgusting-- 675 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:25,307 Oh, my God. 676 00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:29,143 I think now's the time to round them all up. 677 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:35,846 With the jury out this long, why would I consider a deal? 678 00:39:35,907 --> 00:39:39,218 [ Door Closes ] I'm not here to offer a deal. 679 00:39:39,277 --> 00:39:41,223 Look, we were together, like she said. 680 00:39:41,279 --> 00:39:45,591 Oh, come on. What would she be doing with a has-been like you? 681 00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:47,391 Ask her. Do you know how many records I've sold? 682 00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:50,490 I know how many records you've sold in the last 10 years. 683 00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:54,435 - I think your fans finally caught on to you, Mr. Connor. - Right. 684 00:39:54,492 --> 00:39:58,099 Actually, people who know about these things tell me you were never that good in the first place. 685 00:39:58,163 --> 00:40:03,010 - Those people would be wrong. - Why else would you need the gimmicks? 686 00:40:03,068 --> 00:40:07,039 If you don't have talent, light up the stage. 687 00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:09,483 You don't have to be a genius to figure that out. 688 00:40:09,541 --> 00:40:12,715 If you don't have a deal on the table, why should we sit here and be insulted? 689 00:40:12,777 --> 00:40:14,723 You just don't get rock and roll. 690 00:40:14,779 --> 00:40:17,692 - Apparently you don't either. - Stop! Leave him alone. 691 00:40:20,952 --> 00:40:23,694 I know you're good. 692 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:27,828 The odds are good he's gonna go to prison no matter what you say, Teresa. 693 00:40:27,892 --> 00:40:31,738 Speak up now, or you're gonna join him. 694 00:40:37,068 --> 00:40:39,639 Well, at least you have one fan, Mr. Connor. 695 00:40:39,704 --> 00:40:44,813 How many other pseudo-stars can say they have a fan willing to go to jail for 'em? 696 00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:47,948 The shame of it all is... 697 00:40:48,012 --> 00:40:50,253 it won't do any good. 698 00:40:50,315 --> 00:40:54,388 Twenty-three life sentences running consecutively is gonna be the best you're gonna get 699 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,989 That's if the jury's feeling generous. 700 00:40:57,055 --> 00:40:59,092 The flip side of that coin is a needle. 701 00:40:59,157 --> 00:41:01,933 [Crying] Stop, please! Please, stop! 702 00:41:03,495 --> 00:41:07,238 Teddy didn't light the fire It was me. 703 00:41:07,298 --> 00:41:10,108 - Shut up, Terry. - Mom, it was. It's true. 704 00:41:10,168 --> 00:41:12,671 Teddy, damn it! 705 00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:21,449 If you have something to say, Mrs. Drosi. 706 00:41:21,512 --> 00:41:23,958 It's �Miss.� [ Exhales] 707 00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:27,493 [Crying] One stupid night. 708 00:41:27,552 --> 00:41:30,465 I should've had my head examined! 709 00:41:31,756 --> 00:41:34,737 It was nothing for you, but-- 710 00:41:34,792 --> 00:41:37,033 But for me-- For us-- 711 00:41:42,734 --> 00:41:44,771 I don't know what's going on here. I don't want to know. 712 00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:47,476 Come on Teddy We'll take our chances with the jury 713 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,618 He just gave you his D.N.A., baby. 714 00:41:51,676 --> 00:41:55,556 He was never a father. You don't owe him anything. 715 00:41:55,613 --> 00:41:57,889 - Forget her. - How dare you! 716 00:41:57,949 --> 00:42:01,487 Do you think giving her a couple tickets twice a year gives you the right to ruin her life? 717 00:42:01,552 --> 00:42:04,761 Look, I did it, Mr. McCoy. 718 00:42:04,822 --> 00:42:08,133 I loaded the ?amethrower. I didn't know that Larry or the ceiling-- 719 00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:10,900 I just- I didn't think. 720 00:42:10,962 --> 00:42:15,001 - You don't have to do this for him. - But I did it, Mom. 721 00:42:20,004 --> 00:42:23,645 I heard you say to Nick that you wanted more fire. 722 00:42:25,076 --> 00:42:29,547 I thought that if-- that if you were on top again, [ Exhales] 723 00:42:31,516 --> 00:42:33,518 Maybe then you'd-- 724 00:42:40,091 --> 00:42:42,093 We're done here. 725 00:42:43,094 --> 00:42:45,096 [ Door Opens] 726 00:42:53,271 --> 00:42:55,581 [ Door Closes] 727 00:42:56,674 --> 00:42:58,779 [Exhales] 728 00:42:58,843 --> 00:43:01,756 [McCoy] Teresa's lawyer wants to plea. 729 00:43:01,813 --> 00:43:05,056 - What are you gonna do? - Talk to him. 730 00:43:05,116 --> 00:43:07,323 Is that sympathy I hear? 731 00:43:07,385 --> 00:43:10,195 My father, the only one of my tennis matches he actually came to, 732 00:43:10,255 --> 00:43:12,201 he spent doing paperwork. 733 00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:17,228 It didn't make me love him less. It just made me try that much harder to make him love me more. 734 00:43:17,295 --> 00:43:19,502 Were you successful? 735 00:43:19,564 --> 00:43:21,566 You should see my backhand. 736 00:44:01,906 --> 00:44:04,853 [Howling] 737 00:44:04,903 --> 00:44:09,453 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 66919

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