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[ Man Narrating]
In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented by two separate
yet equally important groups...
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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[ Door Opening]
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John?
Croissants from La Bergamote!
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Almond
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[Sighs]
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I'll be in the kitchen
making some coffee.
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[Shuddering Gasp]
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� [Briscoe] Who found her?
� Margot... the lady that works here...
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found the D.O.A., called it in.
You mean the maid?
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Uptown folks call 'em
�personal assistants.�
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Anyway, she's pretty shook up.
We sat her down in the living room.
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ls she the owner?
Margot said she never saw her before.
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Place is owned
by John David Myers. That the song guy?
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You can take a tour
of his Tonys in the den.
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Well,
do we know who she is? Carrie Gunderson,
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if she belongs
to the pocketbook we found in the front hall.
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Half a dozen stab wounds...
defensive wounds on her forearms and hands.
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Did Margot say
when Myers�ll be back? Oh, he's here.
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Upstairs bedroom?
You're gonna love this. [ Chatter: Police Radio ]
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[Green]
Mr. Myers?
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Mr. Myers.
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This could run longer
than his last show.
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He went to the theater last night...
a premiere... Half Past Dawn.
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You went
with Ms. Gunderson? He went alone.
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He never mentioned her.
I never saw her before.
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No offense, ma�am, but this
might go a whole lot easier...
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if Mr. Myers
answered the questions.
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John didn't kill that girl.
[Briscoe] You were here?
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No. But I've worked for him
for 12 years. He's a good person-
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- a good, sensitive, caring person
- So you don't know.
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I met her at the show.
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We went to Joe Allen's
for the party after.
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I never saw her before.
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But you, uh, got to know her
pretty well?
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We... [Sighs]
had too much to drink. We. .. made love.
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I fell asleep.
He has a lawyer. I'm gonna call.
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Detective...
You should see this.
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What are these,
props for Camelot? They're real.
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That one belonged
to General Custer.
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This one was Aaron Burr�s.
Mr. Myers is a collector.
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Weird hobby.
John has a sense of history.
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Get �em all down to Forensics.
[Green] Lennie!
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It looks like mud.
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Was this here yesterday?
No.
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We worked here all day.
I would have noticed.
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Besides, Sally was here.
She cleans every afternoon.
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And is this always unlocked?
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The alarm wasn't on
when I came in.
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So, when Myers and Ms.
Gunderson get done sweating up the sheets, he passes out,
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she comes downstairs for a nosh...
And shocks the hell out of a burglar.
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Why would a guy with a crib like this
forget to turn on the alarm?
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I guess he had
other things on his mind.
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After a fun night of vodka and sex,
she bled out between 2:00 and 3:00 a.m.
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There is some slight bruising
here on the outside of her hips.
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Rape?
No, I doubt it.
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The hip bruises may mean
that she was on top.
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Go, Rodgers.
Eight stab wounds...
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to the chest and abdomen
makes me think this guy was making a statement.
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What, �Hi, I'm pissed off�?
No. One or two thrusts is pissed off.
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Eight without-hesitation
wounds is uncontrollable rage.
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Why, John David Myers, huh?
In college I played Maggie in Out to Lunch.
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I know where he got the title.
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Well, put it this way.
His piano stool's missing a leg.
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Honestly, this dude didn't look like
he had enough rage to swat a fly.
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Any of these do the deed?
Well, as far as I can tell, no. None of the incisions match.
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Forensics ran Luco on the lot.
None of them had any traces of blood.
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Tell me again why you
don't want to slap the chains on Mack the Knife?
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Well the M.E. says
the killer was filled with rage.
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This girl said, �Yes.�
That would make most dudes happy.
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Yeah, but not the guy
she said �No� to.
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You're saying she was
someone else's target? Whoever broke in...
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went through a lot of trouble
just to walk away empty-handed.
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He could have followed
her and Myers home.
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All right. Keep someone on Myers
while you find out what you can about the girl.
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- That was Gunderson?
- Yeah. First name Carrie
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Mmm, sorry.
She's not here.
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She could have been
somebody's guest though, right? Sure.
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Somebody like John David Myers?
[Chuckles]
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Leave it to John. You know,
I've been sending him these invites for the past,
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I don't know, three years.
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Not even an R.S.V.P.
My heart nearly stopped cold...
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when his assistant called my assistant
and said that he'd be coming. What, he's not a big party person?
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You know
the boat pond in Central Park?
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John went skinny-dipping
there once with Miss October.
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Nothing like a midnight swim
Only it was after lunch at Sardi's.
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John wasn't what you'd call shy.
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And then,
just like the Russian Tea Room, he's gone.
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He doesn't answer calls.
He doesn't show his face in public.
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[Green]
So, no openings, no parties.
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The biggest shame of all is he hasn't
written a note of music.
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This is Carrie Gunderson.
Was she with him at the party?
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Sure. She was with him.
Not what he used to bring. How so?
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She kept him
from taking that last martini.
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And she's not a regular
on the party circuit?
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I never saw her before.
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[ Woman]
Oh, my God
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Was Carrie involved
with John David Myers?
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In her dreams.
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Did he do this to her?
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Lisanne, the way this works is,
we get to ask the questions.
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I didn't know Carrie all that well.
Oh, right. She just lived here.
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I was looking for a rent check,
not a best friend.
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My last roomie moved to L.A.
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- I met Carrie at an audition six months ago.
- She was an actress?
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One of the great unemployed.
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She didn't seem like
Jennifer Jason Leigh in that movie, so,
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what the hell, you know?
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Carrie went to the premiere
of a play, uh, Half Past Dawn?
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Yeah, I know. It was my ticket.
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- One of my regulars gave it to me.
- That's quite a tip.
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Why'd you give the ticket to Carrie?
Why not? I hate musicals.
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Carrie was crazy for them,
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especially ones written
by Connors and Rourke.
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Let me ask you this: Carrie's boyfriend...
Who Mark?
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They broke up
about a month or so ago- some big passion play.
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I didn't really want
to hear about it.
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- Am I supposed to be shocked?
- No, not if you did it.
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Believe me, I may have thought about it
more than once, but I haven't even seen her in maybe three weeks.
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Where were you
on Wednesday night?
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In the backseat of a Lexus
on the way back from Baltimore with two friends.
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If you want their numbers I can--
Yeah, we do.
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Hey, man, I'm ain't
the most sentimental cat in the world,
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but if somebody I was seeing
ended up getting stabbed in the belly eight times,
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I would at least want to know
the who-what-and-where of it all.
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That's because
you didn't know Carrie.
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Look, I-I don't want to sound like a jerk,
but that woman was one royal pain.
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I'm a sucker for juicy details.
Okay.
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I met her at the gym.
She's pretty hot and we start going out.
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Look, I'm just looking
for a good time, right?
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After three or four dates,
she's rearranging my furniture, correcting my grammar.
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I swear-- every sentence out of her mouth
started with �You should have."
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I told her we were done.
It turns into World War III.
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- Calls me prehistoric-- a pig.
- I've been there.
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She threw a mirror at me,
split my lip open.
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My neighbor called the cops.
We're both sentenced to therapy-- anger management to be exact.
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What a joke that is.
You know her shrink's name?
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I'm sure it's in the court papers.
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- [Green]
Nobody's mindin' the store? - [Chattering, Indistinct]
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Sounds like they're in ?agrante.
Might as well get comfortable.
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It could be Sybil in there by herself.
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Excuse me?
Police.
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I can see that.
I'm in session.
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Yeah.
This'll just take a minute, Doc. Uh, talk among yourselves.
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We need to make this quick.
[Green] Okay Carrie Gunderson.
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As you can tell
by the empty chair in there, she's not here.
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That could be
because she's dead. She was murdered Wednesday night.
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My God. Who--
Well, that's why we're here, Doc.
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Did she mention anybody in her life
who was giving her trouble?
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Even if I could help you, I couldn't.
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I'm sure you know
anything that anybody says in that room is privileged.
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You'd protect a guy
who stabbed your patient eight times?
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I have to go.
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[Briscoe]
My ex made me see a shrink.
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Now that was money well spent.
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Twice a week I'd get on the couch,
tell him how the head of the orphanage...
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used to get a kick
out of beating me with his shoe.
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[ Laughs]
That sounds like Oliver Twist. It is.
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Ed, there's one of them.
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Excuse me, aren't you in
Carrie Gunderson's therapy group?
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You're the cops.
Dr. Cyrus told us about Carrie. It's unbelievable.
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Did Carrie ever talk about anybody
that might want to hurt her? Not really.
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Did she ever mention
having trouble with her boyfriend?
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She talked about the guy
she had the fight with. Mark, I think it was.
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Anybody else?
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Well, there is this one guy
in the group,James.
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- It's pretty obvious
he had a thing for her. - Was it reciprocal?
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I doubt it.
Which one is James?
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He hasn't been here all week.
Maybe he's been cured.
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I don't think so.
James had a court-ordered twice-a-week for 12 months.
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He assaulted his boss.
Stabbed him a few times with a Sharpie.
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I don't understand
what the hell I'm doing here! My boss agreed not to press any charges.
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This isn't about your boss.
You missed therapy this week,Jim.
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I'll pay the fine.
Funny guy.
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Carrie Gunderson
missed it too. That's good. Split us up.
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First one that cracks
gets a stay-out-of-group free card. She's dead.
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What?
That's right. And since you had the hots for her-
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Who said that?
What you gonna do,James? Stab 'em eight or nine times?
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Hey, that thing with my boss
got blown way out of proportion.
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I stuck him in the leg with a Sharpie.
No big deal.
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If you stuck him once, maybe.
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You know what this is?
I'm sure you'll tell me.
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It's what's called your �yellows.�
It's like a �what you did to who" and what the cops did about it.
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Listed here
are three assault complaints.
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All those charges were dropped.
Yeah.
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They were, man.
But you gotta understand where we're coming from.
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You crushin' on Carrie,
she ends up dead.
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Where were you
Wednesday night? I went to a movie.
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Let me guess. Alone.
That's right.
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Come on,James.
A smart guy like you can do better than that.
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It started at 10:45
at the Cleanview in Chelsea.
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Okay, okay.
There was this old guy sittin' next to me. I talked to him.
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He got a name?
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He had a bag from Urban Angler,
place on 26th Street?
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I like to go out for stripers.
So, while we were waitin' for the movie to begin, I asked him what he bought.
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He showed me this new surf-casting reel,
a Shimano.
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What the hell?
I've been fishing around for a new hobby.
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Shimano's top of the line.
We 're lucky if we sell one or two a week.
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I'm surprised you sell much of anything
in the middle of Manhattan.
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More fishermen per square mile
than most places actually.
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More people
per square mile too.
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You should try it.
It's good for the nerves. It shows, huh?
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This would have been on Wednesday.
[ Computer Beeps ]
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I did sell
a Shimano surf caster that night.
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Customer's name is Josiah Winthrop.
I can give you an address.
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Bought that reel for my brother.
Thing should last him till he's 80.
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How old is he now?
Kid-- 73.
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Later that evening,
you went to the movies, Mr. Winthrop?
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[ Cell Phone Rings]
Sure did. Too hot to go home. Don't got no air conditioner.
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[Green] Yeah, man. What? up?
Did you see this man when you were there?
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[Green] Right.
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He play one of the dead guys?
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No.
Not in the movie, in the theater, sittin' next to you.
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He said you two talked.
Yeah. Yeah.
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Fella sittin' next to me.
That's right.
219
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Did he stay
for the whole movie?
220
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Yes, he did.
Showed him that reel I bought for my brother.
221
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Thing should last him till he's 90.
222
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That reel's getting better
all the time.
223
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It's our boy, Beck.
Thanks.
224
00:13:40,887 --> 00:13:44,596
The devil
is in the details gentlemen. I'm guessing that's a good thing.
225
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Um, the shoe print itself
was too smudged to be able to match it to any particular shoe.
226
00:13:48,761 --> 00:13:51,833
But I did an analysis
of the residue itself. It's soil. [Chuckles]
227
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Dirt. Go figure.
No. Listen carefully. I said, soil.
228
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New York City dirt
would have particles of asphalt, glass and concrete,
229
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but this
is 100% organic.
230
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You mean,
like potting soil? Now, you're talkin'.
231
00:14:05,912 --> 00:14:08,688
Unless somebody walked in
straight from the greenhouse,
232
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my guess is it came from
one of the houseplants. [Briscoe ] Thanks.
233
00:14:12,952 --> 00:14:15,159
How many times
do I have to tell you this? Hey, don't get smart.
234
00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:17,701
Why don't you tell us
about the dirt on the carpet in the den?
235
00:14:17,757 --> 00:14:20,863
What do you want to know?
Well, how it got there would be nice.
236
00:14:20,927 --> 00:14:23,703
I'm sure the killer must have
come in through the terrace door.
237
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And stepped right into a flowerpot?
Those smudges came from a houseplant.
238
00:14:29,135 --> 00:14:31,479
Your boss is pretty sharp, Margot.
239
00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:35,508
First he kills the girl; then he stages
both the break-in and the cuckoo act.
240
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Impossible.
The only other alternative is, it was you.
241
00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:43,192
You know, I got to tell you, Margot.
I'm lookin' at your face,
242
00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:45,251
and I can see that you're neck deep in this.
243
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- I didn't kill her.
- If you're holding something back, that makes you an accessory.
244
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John's not well
I'm sure he had no idea what he was doing.
245
00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:00,306
He knew enough to send us out
chasin' our tails. Working for John is my life--
246
00:15:00,366 --> 00:15:04,405
12 years, 8:00 in the morning
till 8:00 at night.
247
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:06,882
His success is my success.
248
00:15:06,939 --> 00:15:09,510
His welfare is my welfare.
249
00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:12,689
I'm the one who--
250
00:15:17,517 --> 00:15:21,465
After I found the girl
in the kitchen, I ran upstairs.
251
00:15:21,521 --> 00:15:24,968
John was crying. He couldn't talk.
252
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I knew what everyone would think.
253
00:15:29,729 --> 00:15:32,733
So I went back downstairs,
254
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and I tried to make it look like
someone broke in.
255
00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:42,119
- Where's the knife?
- I wrapped it in newspaper...
256
00:15:42,175 --> 00:15:44,485
and hid it in the basement.
257
00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:53,757
Tough day at the office?
I didn't think it would hurt anything.
258
00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:55,822
What do you think
you're doing? Who are you?
259
00:15:55,888 --> 00:15:57,868
I'm his doctor.
[ Uniformed Cop] His shrink.
260
00:15:57,924 --> 00:16:00,302
What's this, swing therapy?
John David Myers,
261
00:16:00,359 --> 00:16:02,464
you're under arrest
for the murder of Carrie Gunderson.
262
00:16:02,528 --> 00:16:04,474
You have the right to remain silent.
Frederick.
263
00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:07,170
Anything you say can be used
against you in a court of law. Frederick.
264
00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:09,338
You have the right to an attorney.
[Continues, indistinct] Frederick!
265
00:16:09,402 --> 00:16:11,939
I'll be right there, John.
266
00:16:12,004 --> 00:16:14,041
[Myers]
Help me!
267
00:16:15,041 --> 00:16:18,921
[Green]
Talk to us, Mr. Myers. Where's Frederick?
268
00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:23,188
Something about an H.M.O.
I want him here.
269
00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:26,230
Help us out.
We'll see what we can do.
270
00:16:26,285 --> 00:16:30,927
[Exhales Wearily]
Twinkle, twinkle, little star
271
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[ Continues, indistinct]
What?
272
00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:37,031
Up above the world so high
I think he's singin'.
273
00:16:37,096 --> 00:16:39,042
Like a diamond in the sky
274
00:16:39,098 --> 00:16:42,045
This dude is starting to piss me off.
Twinkle, little star
275
00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:47,409
[Whispering]
How I wonder where you are.
276
00:16:47,473 --> 00:16:52,013
I'm telling you. He's too ill for this.
He wasn't too ill to go to a show,
277
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a party, pick up a woman and kill her.
That's assuming a lot.
278
00:16:55,715 --> 00:16:57,991
When the shoe fits--
279
00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:00,894
I see.
Mm-hmm.
280
00:17:00,953 --> 00:17:05,231
A celebrity notch on your belt
puts another star on your collar.
281
00:17:05,291 --> 00:17:08,898
You're not scorin' any points here.
He couldn't kill anyone.
282
00:17:08,961 --> 00:17:11,305
John has been under my care
for three years.
283
00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:14,573
He improved to the point
where I thought it would do him good to attend a social function.
284
00:17:14,634 --> 00:17:17,877
Looks like that was a bad decision.
He was actually improving.
285
00:17:17,937 --> 00:17:20,247
He was starting to compose again.
286
00:17:20,306 --> 00:17:23,617
Frankly, he's regressed to a point
where I don't know if I can help him now.
287
00:17:23,676 --> 00:17:26,122
No offense,
but that's no longer an option.
288
00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:31,689
You won't let me talk to my patient?
Your �patient� is a murder suspect now.
289
00:17:31,751 --> 00:17:34,254
I'm a doctor.
This is a medical situation.
290
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,322
The man looks fine to me.
I demand to see him.
291
00:17:36,389 --> 00:17:39,029
Until you have more stars
on your collar than I do, Doctor,
292
00:17:39,091 --> 00:17:42,163
you can't demand a damn thing.
293
00:17:43,996 --> 00:17:47,443
Frederick told me to sing
whenever I was scared
294
00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:51,141
He tell you to whistle
when you stab naked girls?
295
00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:54,913
Where is he?
I need him here.
296
00:17:54,974 --> 00:17:59,787
Like I said, talk to us.
We'll see what we can do.
297
00:18:02,114 --> 00:18:05,584
Promise?
Cross my heart.
298
00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:10,795
I killed her.
I stabbed her and stabbed her,
299
00:18:10,857 --> 00:18:13,701
and... she was dead.
300
00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:21,506
Well, now can I see Frederick?
301
00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:33,551
Docket number 323430.
302
00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:36,958
People v. John David Myers,
murder in the second degree.
303
00:18:37,016 --> 00:18:39,826
I was a huge fan, Mr. Myers.
304
00:18:39,885 --> 00:18:41,956
My client appreciates that,judge.
305
00:18:42,021 --> 00:18:44,297
I said �was.�
How does he plead?
306
00:18:44,357 --> 00:18:46,963
Not guilty, Your Honor.
307
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,405
I assume your client can make
substantial bail, Ms. Cutler.
308
00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:51,772
We 're not consenting to bail, judge.
309
00:18:51,831 --> 00:18:55,301
- The People request remand.
- His face is recognized all over the world.
310
00:18:55,368 --> 00:18:58,076
Where's he gonna go?
Your Honor, if I may?
311
00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:01,243
[ Judge Mizener] And you are?
Mr. Myers's psychiatrist.
312
00:19:01,307 --> 00:19:05,255
How about that?
My grandson's pediatrician won't even make a house call.
313
00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:07,655
Mr. Myers is heavily medicated.
He can't function.
314
00:19:07,713 --> 00:19:11,058
He confessed to brutally slaughtering
a woman he'd just met.
315
00:19:11,117 --> 00:19:13,597
He's been under my daily care
for three years.
316
00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:15,894
Your Honor-
I wouldn't really brag about that, Doctor.
317
00:19:15,955 --> 00:19:20,836
Sit! I'm remanding the defendant
and ordering observation at Bellevue.
318
00:19:20,893 --> 00:19:23,032
[Gavel Raps]
319
00:19:23,095 --> 00:19:25,166
Cole Porter's lucky he's gone,
320
00:19:25,231 --> 00:19:27,905
what with the dearth of respect
you people show men of the theater.
321
00:19:27,967 --> 00:19:31,244
Cole Porter
didn't have a dead woman in his townhouse, Lisa.
322
00:19:31,304 --> 00:19:33,750
John Myers? Please.
323
00:19:33,806 --> 00:19:35,843
He's as likely to have killed
somebody as--
324
00:19:35,908 --> 00:19:38,252
- Sweeney Todd?
- Very clever.
325
00:19:38,311 --> 00:19:42,521
Excuse me, but this is outrageous.
My patient is locked in a state institution,
326
00:19:42,581 --> 00:19:45,926
and you people are sitting here
like it's the Algonquin Round Table.
327
00:19:45,985 --> 00:19:49,694
You're a guest, Dr. Barrett.
Please try to control yourself. I know John.
328
00:19:49,755 --> 00:19:53,703
I know how ill he is.
I know that it's beyond his capability to kill anyone.
329
00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:58,572
- But not to confess to a murder.
- He was scared. He was confused.
330
00:19:58,631 --> 00:20:01,578
And he was the only one in the house.
Not quite.
331
00:20:01,634 --> 00:20:04,137
Come on, Lisa.
You can't go with the break-in theory.
332
00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,706
Myers's assistant already said
that she staged it.
333
00:20:06,772 --> 00:20:08,774
What is it you D.A.'s say?
334
00:20:08,841 --> 00:20:13,085
�Just because Mark Fuhrman
may have planted the glove doesn't make O.J. innocent."
335
00:20:13,145 --> 00:20:17,150
- Cute, but not applicable.
- Try the opposite on for size.
336
00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:20,220
And before you get
all hot and bothered over the alleged confession--
337
00:20:20,286 --> 00:20:22,562
Myers signed a Miranda waiver.
338
00:20:22,621 --> 00:20:25,898
It would have been good
if the police had read it before they put it in front of him.
339
00:20:25,958 --> 00:20:29,565
Mr. Myers asked to speak to Dr. Barrett
before he said a word.
340
00:20:29,629 --> 00:20:31,939
He's a lawyer too?
Oh, Jack.
341
00:20:31,997 --> 00:20:36,104
You've always been so literal.
See you in chambers.
342
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:42,576
You're claiming that
Mr. Myers was entitled to legal advice from his psychiatrist...
343
00:20:42,641 --> 00:20:44,746
during the police interrogation?
344
00:20:44,810 --> 00:20:48,121
He unequivocally asked
Detectives Briscoe and Green...
345
00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:51,855
for an opportunity
to speak to Dr. Barrett while he was in police custody,
346
00:20:51,917 --> 00:20:54,454
before he made any
incriminating statements.
347
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,435
We don't dispute that.
But there's no Sixth Amendment right to a medical professional.
348
00:20:59,492 --> 00:21:03,941
The Sixth Amendment is far
less rigid than Mr. McCoy would have us believe.
349
00:21:03,996 --> 00:21:08,467
For instance,
an indigent defendant is entitled to a court-appointed lawyer...
350
00:21:08,534 --> 00:21:10,536
even though
it appears nowhere in the text.
351
00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:14,642
But the constitution
clearly says a �lawyer.� Actually, it says �counsel.�
352
00:21:14,707 --> 00:21:17,210
On the face of it, that means
advice from someone he trusts.
353
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:20,917
In People v. Crimmins,
the court makes no distinction...
354
00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:23,119
between members of the bar
and laymen.
355
00:21:23,182 --> 00:21:26,823
The critical factor is the nature
of the advice being sought,
356
00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:28,957
not the certificate on the wall
Under Ms. Cutler's analysis,
357
00:21:29,021 --> 00:21:33,436
if a defendant asked for a plumber
during his interrogation, the police would have to honor that request.
358
00:21:33,492 --> 00:21:37,372
No. But if he asked to speak
to a specific person who happened to be his plumber,
359
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:39,671
that would be
a whole different matter.
360
00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:42,042
Nice try, counsel
Your Honor
361
00:21:42,101 --> 00:21:46,982
when the police first spoke
to Mr. Myers, they were informed he was represented by counsel.
362
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:50,248
An affidavit by Margot Dalton,
Mr. Myers's personal assistant,
363
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:52,812
in which she said
she told the police, and I quote,
364
00:21:52,878 --> 00:21:54,824
�He has a lawyer."
365
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,488
it's well settled that once the police
are informed that a defendant is represented by counsel--
366
00:21:59,552 --> 00:22:01,498
Informed by the defendant,
not a third party.
367
00:22:01,554 --> 00:22:04,296
As you'll see in paragraph six,
the defendant didn't say anything.
368
00:22:04,356 --> 00:22:06,996
The defendant couldn't say anything
He was in shock.
369
00:22:07,059 --> 00:22:10,529
The only person who could speak
for him spoke, and it was ignored.
370
00:22:10,596 --> 00:22:13,270
Ms. Cutler should have put
this argument into her motion papers.
371
00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:17,212
Would you have changed
your approach if she had?
372
00:22:17,269 --> 00:22:19,340
The confession is out.
373
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,813
The old check and raise.
374
00:22:23,876 --> 00:22:26,117
She set you up with a jab
and knocked you out with a cross.
375
00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:30,092
Let's see just how many metaphors we can mix.
Well, I got a ton of 'em.
376
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:33,255
And if this Myers guy walks,
you're gonna hear each and every one.
377
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,029
Without a confession--
He was the only one in the house, Serena.
378
00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:41,970
With no apparent motive.
Margot Dalton led us to the murder weapon. Her prints were on it.
379
00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:45,474
Do you really think Margot
murdered Carrie Gunderson? Of course not.
380
00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:48,068
I'm just giving you
a preview of Cutler's case.
381
00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:50,943
[ Branch ]
Right. The butler did it. The personal assistant
382
00:22:51,003 --> 00:22:56,112
Whatever she is,
I'd inform her she's about to become the number one scapegoat.
383
00:22:56,175 --> 00:22:59,315
That might help refresh her memory.
384
00:23:00,312 --> 00:23:02,724
John was more than a boss.
Are you saying--
385
00:23:02,781 --> 00:23:06,024
He was a friend.
I did more than just paperwork.
386
00:23:06,085 --> 00:23:09,089
I... talked to him,
comforted him.
387
00:23:09,154 --> 00:23:11,100
I gave him
a shoulder to cry on.
388
00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:14,695
So do you have any idea
why he killed Carrie? Course not.
389
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,570
I hate going there, Margot,
but there are two choices.
390
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:21,601
Either Myers-
Me? You think I killed her?
391
00:23:21,667 --> 00:23:24,910
Lisa Cutler is fighting for Myers's life.
392
00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:27,075
She's known me for years.
She knows I wouldn't kill anyone.
393
00:23:27,139 --> 00:23:29,244
But you're not paying her fees.
394
00:23:29,308 --> 00:23:31,754
A lot of fingers get pointed
in a murder trial.
395
00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:34,450
You've already admitted
to tampering with evidence, staging a break-in--
396
00:23:34,513 --> 00:23:36,925
That's right, to protect John.
397
00:23:36,982 --> 00:23:40,987
I am just warning you
how it's gonna happen, Margot.
398
00:23:47,293 --> 00:23:50,172
If there's anything
that you're not telling us--
399
00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:56,909
When I first started working for John,
400
00:23:56,969 --> 00:23:59,609
he was drinking a lot,
401
00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:02,551
doing a lot of drugs,
doing crazy things.
402
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:05,714
Like?
Fights in clubs. Girls.
403
00:24:05,778 --> 00:24:09,749
[Scoffs]
There were so many.
404
00:24:09,815 --> 00:24:14,696
One morning I came in,
and there was a naked girl in the closet.
405
00:24:14,753 --> 00:24:19,361
John was standing at the door screaming.
Do you remember her name?
406
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:24,564
That's when I made him
start seeing Dr. Barrett.
407
00:24:25,898 --> 00:24:28,378
Well, I'm not at liberty
to talk about this.
408
00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:31,677
Let me tell you a story about
two wealthy brothers out in L.A.
409
00:24:31,737 --> 00:24:35,685
One of them told his psychiatrist
he planned on killing his parents. [Chuckles]
410
00:24:35,741 --> 00:24:38,119
You'll never guess
what the courts said.
411
00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:41,090
John didn't even know
Carrie Gunderson until that night.
412
00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:44,059
How could he have
told me anything? If it had happened before-
413
00:24:44,116 --> 00:24:46,062
It didn't.
414
00:24:46,118 --> 00:24:48,496
I have a feeling
that his other girlfriends were luckier than Carrie...
415
00:24:48,554 --> 00:24:51,034
or at least quicker.
[Laughs]
416
00:24:51,090 --> 00:24:53,161
That's ridiculous.
417
00:24:53,225 --> 00:24:55,933
If it comes out in trial that
you could have prevented this,
418
00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:57,941
we won't hesitate to charge you.
419
00:25:02,134 --> 00:25:04,842
John's mother-
420
00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:07,942
put it this way-- she had a temper.
421
00:25:08,007 --> 00:25:11,216
She beat John.
Psychologically.
422
00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:14,019
One day when John was 13,
423
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:18,721
he came home and found her
standing over his father with a knife in her hand.
424
00:25:18,784 --> 00:25:22,061
She stabbed him a dozen times
in the chest.
425
00:25:22,121 --> 00:25:24,067
John saw the last five.
426
00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:29,396
His mother? still in Oakwood
It's a private hospital in Maine.
427
00:25:29,461 --> 00:25:34,376
John had fantasies
about stabbing women.
428
00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:37,744
- [McCoy]
He should've gone to the police. - Well, they were fantasies, Jack.
429
00:25:37,803 --> 00:25:40,249
He never thought
Myers would actually stab anyone.
430
00:25:40,305 --> 00:25:43,149
No.just chase a woman
into a closet.
431
00:25:43,208 --> 00:25:46,678
Myers told Barrett
he showed her a knife, and she freaked out.
432
00:25:46,745 --> 00:25:50,158
Barrett told you all this?
Gift horse.
433
00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:53,958
How dare you talk to my client's doctor
without talking to me first?
434
00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:57,432
It doesn't feel right
being sucker punched, does it, Lisa?
435
00:25:57,489 --> 00:26:00,732
Damn it,jack. It's not the same thing
at all. There's a little something called privilege.
436
00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:02,898
Explain that to your client's doctor.
437
00:26:02,961 --> 00:26:05,908
A psychiatrist is obligated
to disclose future criminal acts.
438
00:26:05,965 --> 00:26:09,208
You've got Myers locked up
in a outhouse for crying out loud.
439
00:26:09,268 --> 00:26:11,441
Who's he gonna kill?
That's not the point.
440
00:26:11,503 --> 00:26:14,143
I'm going to move to exclude
everything Barrett told you.
441
00:26:14,206 --> 00:26:16,812
And you'll lose.
You want to push the envelope? Fine.
442
00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:19,685
My notice to change Myers's plea...
443
00:26:19,745 --> 00:26:22,351
to �Not Responsible by
Reason of Mental Defect."
444
00:26:28,187 --> 00:26:31,191
I was a drunk. I was a coke addict.
445
00:26:31,256 --> 00:26:34,135
I abused myself
and everybody around me.
446
00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:37,435
And Dr. Barrett helped you.
447
00:26:37,496 --> 00:26:39,999
He saved my life.
448
00:26:40,065 --> 00:26:43,410
Two hundred milligrams
of Thorazine daily
449
00:26:43,469 --> 00:26:45,813
That's not living.
That's barely existing.
450
00:26:45,871 --> 00:26:47,817
Well,
451
00:26:47,873 --> 00:26:50,444
it's better than the alternative.
452
00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:54,719
Which is?
[Chuckling]
453
00:26:59,985 --> 00:27:04,400
But you made it to the top
of your chosen profession, in spite of everything.
454
00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:07,062
Big deal.Who cares?
455
00:27:07,126 --> 00:27:09,504
Did your mother?
[Scoffing Chuckle]
456
00:27:09,561 --> 00:27:12,132
My mother has nothing to do with this.
457
00:27:13,499 --> 00:27:16,173
I know what she did, John.
458
00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:19,910
[Chuckling]
459
00:27:19,972 --> 00:27:23,852
I've had six Tonys, two Pulitzers
and a mom who killed my dad.
460
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:27,049
That's... [Chuckles ]
That's some r?sum?.
461
00:27:30,349 --> 00:27:34,491
They let my mom
come to my dad's funeral.
462
00:27:34,553 --> 00:27:38,763
She had chains on her wrists,
and she turns to me, and she says,
463
00:27:38,824 --> 00:27:42,931
�That's the last ball game
he'll ever watch."
464
00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:50,038
My mother was a pig.
465
00:27:51,036 --> 00:27:53,141
Did Carrie remind you
of your mom?
466
00:27:53,205 --> 00:27:55,344
Carrie was a pig.
467
00:27:56,875 --> 00:28:00,516
- Is that why you killed her?
- [Chuckles]
468
00:28:00,579 --> 00:28:02,525
John?
469
00:28:02,581 --> 00:28:05,061
Where's Frederick?
470
00:28:06,051 --> 00:28:09,032
He'll be here later.
Tell me why you stabbed Carrie Gunderson.
471
00:28:10,589 --> 00:28:12,626
[Chair Clattering]
472
00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:19,437
Because.
473
00:28:32,444 --> 00:28:34,685
Then I cried afterward.
474
00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:38,789
Frederick knows.
475
00:28:43,488 --> 00:28:45,627
No, he didn't hear voices
or black out.
476
00:28:45,691 --> 00:28:49,400
He remembers exactly what happened,
and he feels terrible about it.
477
00:28:49,461 --> 00:28:53,341
Well, lunch is on me.
So,why?
478
00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:56,242
Wrong time, wrong place,
wrong two people.
479
00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:58,872
We're not going to turn this
into blaming the victim, are we?
480
00:28:58,937 --> 00:29:02,908
Think back to physics.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
481
00:29:02,975 --> 00:29:07,515
From what I can gather
from police reports, Carrie Gunderson was an intolerant, controlling personality,
482
00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:09,616
especially
where men were concerned.
483
00:29:09,681 --> 00:29:12,753
Yeah. She insisted her old boyfriend
buy new sheets after two dates.
484
00:29:12,818 --> 00:29:16,960
Exactly. She demanded that the world
be seen through her particular window.
485
00:29:17,022 --> 00:29:20,936
And Myers
didn't like the view. Most men wouldn't.
486
00:29:20,993 --> 00:29:24,600
The male of the species tends
not to care whether he drinks his beer out of a glass or a can.
487
00:29:24,663 --> 00:29:28,702
Oh, come on!
Okay, all right, that's a trivial example.
488
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:31,475
But you got to admit
the American male has been--
489
00:29:31,536 --> 00:29:33,948
If you say castrated, I'm leaving.
490
00:29:34,006 --> 00:29:37,681
Case in point--
male opinions can't be expressed.
491
00:29:37,743 --> 00:29:40,383
Their visceral behavior
is no longer tolerated.
492
00:29:42,114 --> 00:29:44,560
Don't look at me.
Look around you, Serena.
493
00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:47,722
Society is telling men that
they're in desperate need of remedy.
494
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,896
I'm sorry. Are you saying that
this was one small stab for man, one giant slice for mankind?
495
00:29:52,958 --> 00:29:57,600
That is absurd.
What I really am saying is that it was a giant stab for Myers.
496
00:29:57,663 --> 00:29:59,802
He called Carrie Gunderson a pig.
497
00:29:59,865 --> 00:30:02,004
He also called dear old Mom a pig.
498
00:30:02,067 --> 00:30:05,742
And it was really the latter
he wanted on the end of his knife.
499
00:30:11,276 --> 00:30:16,316
I arrived at John's townhouse
like I did every morning around 8:00.
500
00:30:16,381 --> 00:30:20,693
When I walked into the kitchen,
that's when I saw her-- the girl. [Groans]
501
00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:27,869
I saw one of the knives
from John's collection on the floor next to her body.
502
00:30:27,926 --> 00:30:30,805
- What did you do?
- It was obvious she was dead.
503
00:30:30,862 --> 00:30:34,810
- So I went to find John.
- Because you thought he might be injured too?
504
00:30:34,866 --> 00:30:37,107
Well, no.
505
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:43,120
- What did you think, Ms. Dalton?
- That john might be responsible for what happened
506
00:30:43,175 --> 00:30:45,712
Why was that?
507
00:30:45,777 --> 00:30:48,621
John was obsessed with knives.
508
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,627
What do you mean �obsessed�?
When I first started working for him,
509
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,993
he'd always have one in his belt.
510
00:30:54,052 --> 00:30:59,058
He was drinking a lot then.
He got, I don't know, raucous.
511
00:30:59,124 --> 00:31:01,161
It scared me.
I told him...
512
00:31:01,226 --> 00:31:04,173
either he lock the knives up,
or I'd quit.
513
00:31:04,229 --> 00:31:06,641
That's when he bought the display case.
514
00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:17,514
Did you ever see Mr. Myers
attack someone with a knife? No.
515
00:31:17,576 --> 00:31:19,578
But you told A.D.A. Southerlyn--
516
00:31:19,645 --> 00:31:23,650
I saw him outside a closet door.
517
00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:26,719
- There was a woman inside.
- And he was threatening her.
518
00:31:26,785 --> 00:31:29,163
He was screaming
What was her name?
519
00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:33,226
I don't remember.
Do you remember what he was screaming?
520
00:31:34,793 --> 00:31:40,766
- Something about his mother.
- So, he thought the woman inside the closet was his mother.
521
00:31:40,832 --> 00:31:45,110
Objection. The witness has no way to know--
Withdrawn.
522
00:31:45,170 --> 00:31:47,616
In the 12 years that
you worked for Mr. Myers,
523
00:31:47,672 --> 00:31:49,618
did he ever visit his mother?
524
00:31:49,675 --> 00:31:51,655
John told me his mother was dead.
525
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:54,122
Then it would surprise you
to learn that his mother...
526
00:31:54,179 --> 00:31:56,785
is in a secure psychiatric facility
in Maine?
527
00:31:59,284 --> 00:32:01,127
Oh, my God.
528
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:07,632
[ McCoy ]
Did Carrie Gunderson look like the defendant's mother?
529
00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:10,640
No.
Did she sound like her?
530
00:32:10,696 --> 00:32:13,609
I wouldn't know.
What I do know is...
531
00:32:13,665 --> 00:32:16,407
that the victim's dominating
personality reminded him of his mother.
532
00:32:16,468 --> 00:32:19,347
Did he tell you that
when he stabbed Carrie,
533
00:32:19,404 --> 00:32:22,442
he thought
he was stabbing his mom? No, he did not.
534
00:32:22,507 --> 00:32:26,011
Is there any chance
that he thought he was stabbing her?
535
00:32:26,078 --> 00:32:28,786
I doubt it. He felt remorse
for killing Carrie Gunderson.
536
00:32:28,847 --> 00:32:32,226
If he'd thought it was his mother,
he would have experienced nothing but relief.
537
00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:40,362
Dr. Skoda, I'm confused.
Mr. Myers is in his 50s.
538
00:32:40,425 --> 00:32:42,769
I assume he's met
dominating women before this.
539
00:32:42,828 --> 00:32:45,331
As far as I'm aware,
he's never stabbed any of them.
540
00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:48,537
That's probably because his rage
was masked by medication.
541
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,206
Mr. Myers told me his psychiatrist
had started to wean him...
542
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:53,579
off the Thorazine prior to the murder.
543
00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:59,418
You don't sound as if you approve, Doctor.
Thorazine is usually prescribed to schizophrenics.
544
00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:03,153
The defendant is disturbed.
He's angry. But he's not schizophrenic.
545
00:33:03,215 --> 00:33:07,891
Personally, I would have attacked
the cause of his rage instead of trying to mask the symptoms.
546
00:33:07,953 --> 00:33:12,163
And he's felt this rage
ever since his mother did her magic? That's right.
547
00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:17,071
Doctor, are you aware of schizophrenic
episodes occurring for the first time in patients of Mr. Myers's age?
548
00:33:17,129 --> 00:33:20,406
Yes. But that's not the case here.
Really?
549
00:33:20,465 --> 00:33:22,570
Dr. Barrett had only been treating him
for three years.
550
00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:27,083
That's 47 years of walking
around the streets angry without killing anybody.
551
00:33:27,139 --> 00:33:31,747
Mr. Myers self-medicated
with alcohol, with cocaine.
552
00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:34,791
The point is,
when he stabbed Carrie Gunderson he knew exactly what he was doing.
553
00:33:34,846 --> 00:33:37,383
He knew that it was wrong,
and he did it anyway.
554
00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:39,395
In your opinion.
Yes.
555
00:33:39,451 --> 00:33:42,523
- And you saw him for how long?
- Three hours.
556
00:33:48,326 --> 00:33:51,102
That's right. Five times a week.
557
00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:54,372
When necessary, more than that.
How many hours a day?
558
00:33:54,432 --> 00:33:58,005
- Two, sometimes three.
- Is that typical, Doctor?
559
00:33:58,069 --> 00:34:01,380
What condition is that?
For someone in John's condition, yes.
560
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,751
He was delusional. He heard voices.
561
00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:06,914
His mother's specifically.
562
00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:09,151
He carried knives
as a means of protection.
563
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:13,458
So, what you're saying
is that Mr. Myers...
564
00:34:13,518 --> 00:34:17,728
thought his mother would kill him
just like she'd killed his dad.
565
00:34:17,789 --> 00:34:19,735
That's right.
566
00:34:19,791 --> 00:34:24,536
He was barely a teenager
when he experienced one of the most traumatic events imaginable.
567
00:34:24,596 --> 00:34:27,975
I see. Is it true that you'd begun
to reduce his medication?
568
00:34:28,033 --> 00:34:32,140
Yes. I'd been slowly reducing
his dosage over the prior year.
569
00:34:32,203 --> 00:34:36,345
We'd made progress in our therapy.
John wanted to start writing again.
570
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:39,184
He was actually able
to sit at the piano for several hours a day
571
00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,815
And he'd stopped hearing
the voice in his head.
572
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,882
No, he still heard it.
573
00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:45,929
But he realized it couldn't harm him.
574
00:34:45,984 --> 00:34:49,158
What happened the night
he killed Carrie Gunderson?
575
00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:52,532
The play, the party, the public--
576
00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:56,767
He was overstimulated.
It destroyed everything we accomplished in therapy.
577
00:34:56,828 --> 00:35:00,833
So, once again,
he was scared of Mom's voice. Yes.
578
00:35:02,167 --> 00:35:08,015
Why do you think he didn't tell that to Dr. Skoda?
John is a very intelligent, creative man.
579
00:35:08,073 --> 00:35:10,417
He's embarrassed by his illness.
580
00:35:10,475 --> 00:35:13,115
He's manufactured
many defense mechanisms.
581
00:35:13,178 --> 00:35:16,284
The primary of which is lying.
582
00:35:20,018 --> 00:35:24,489
So, he'd rather go to prison
than be humiliated.
583
00:35:24,556 --> 00:35:28,527
Please don't trivialize this,
Mr. McCoy. The man witnessed his mother kill his father.
584
00:35:28,593 --> 00:35:32,837
This is not something that's easy
to live with, let alone talk about. I apologize.
585
00:35:33,832 --> 00:35:36,108
Did you know he was going to go
to the theater that night?
586
00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:39,307
Yes. He begged me to let him go.
He wanted to see old friends.
587
00:35:39,371 --> 00:35:43,046
I didn't think it would do any harm.
I guess you were wrong.
588
00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:46,885
Yes, I was. But I insisted
that he not go to the party.
589
00:35:46,945 --> 00:35:49,858
Because of the overstimulation?
That's correct.
590
00:35:49,915 --> 00:35:54,022
The last thing he needed
was to drink martinis with an emotionally unstable actress...
591
00:35:54,085 --> 00:35:58,693
Like sex?
who would only demand things of him that he couldn't deliver.
592
00:35:58,757 --> 00:36:03,069
John is a world-famous theatrical composer.
593
00:36:03,128 --> 00:36:07,076
She was a wannabe star. You do the math.
594
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,040
I did and--
595
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,185
That's all.
596
00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:18,881
[Judge]
We'll resume tomorrow, 9:30.
597
00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:21,049
[Gavel Raps]
598
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:26,686
Barrett said that Carrie Gunderson
was an emotionally unstable actress. So?
599
00:36:26,751 --> 00:36:29,925
So, nowhere in our files do the words
�emotionally unstable" appear.
600
00:36:29,988 --> 00:36:34,232
Maybe he figured �birds of a feather.�
Or maybe Myers mentioned her in one of his sessions.
601
00:36:34,292 --> 00:36:38,297
You think Myers knew Carrie
before the party? Find out.
602
00:36:39,397 --> 00:36:44,210
Believe me.
If Carrie had ever met John David Myers, she would have told me about it.
603
00:36:44,269 --> 00:36:50,185
- Why? She wasn't discreet?
- Look, we're actresses.
604
00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:53,780
If she and Myers were an item,
she would have called PageSix herself.
605
00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:57,292
I already told all this to the cops.
Why push the replay button?
606
00:36:57,349 --> 00:37:01,422
You're right. It's a long shot.
ls there any chance at all that she mentioned a Dr. Barrett-
607
00:37:01,486 --> 00:37:05,559
Frederick Barrett?
Doesn't sound familiar.
608
00:37:05,624 --> 00:37:09,436
Then again, she didn't introduce me
to every guy she spent time with.
609
00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:19,247
- This is Myers's shrink?
- You recognize him?
610
00:37:20,438 --> 00:37:23,942
He's the customer who gave me
the ticket to the theater--
611
00:37:24,008 --> 00:37:26,181
the one I gave Carrie
the night she was killed.
612
00:37:27,279 --> 00:37:29,987
Do you know if she ever saw
a psychiatrist?
613
00:37:30,048 --> 00:37:33,120
She gave me one of her sleeping pills
every now and then.
614
00:37:33,184 --> 00:37:35,664
Is there any chance at all you remember
where she kept the bottle?
615
00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:41,932
I know she saw Dr. Barrett,
because he prescribed sleeping pills to her
616
00:37:41,993 --> 00:37:44,803
Then what do you need me for?
It's a long story
617
00:37:44,863 --> 00:37:47,867
So is the case law on
doctor-patient privilege.
618
00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:50,776
Yes, it is. But not when a third party
overhears it.
619
00:37:50,835 --> 00:37:54,339
Carrie spoke to you
in front of six other people. Who were also patients.
620
00:37:54,406 --> 00:37:56,750
That's how group therapy works.
621
00:37:56,808 --> 00:37:59,414
Carrie's therapy was
court-ordered, wasn't it?
622
00:37:59,477 --> 00:38:01,718
That's the way it usually works
with anger management.
623
00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:05,387
Well, that means that you were
required to file a report with a judge,
624
00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:08,124
and that means that Carrie
implicitly waived privilege.
625
00:38:09,187 --> 00:38:13,033
This may have something to do
with Carrie's murder, Dr. Cyrus.
626
00:38:14,259 --> 00:38:16,205
Okay.
627
00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:19,470
Carrie had been sleeping
with her psychoanalyst.
628
00:38:19,531 --> 00:38:24,037
He broke it off.
She was planning to sue him for malpractice.
629
00:38:27,439 --> 00:38:29,680
- So, you've finally seen
the light, Jack. - Yes, I have.
630
00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:32,119
Glad to hear it.
Want to make us an offer?
631
00:38:32,177 --> 00:38:35,590
- Why, Lisa? I think I'm winning.
- Yeah, right.
632
00:38:35,647 --> 00:38:38,321
So, why aren't we in court?
633
00:38:38,383 --> 00:38:41,990
Dr. Barrett knows.
It's what I've been saying all along.
634
00:38:42,053 --> 00:38:44,556
John needs treatment, not a jail cell.
635
00:38:44,622 --> 00:38:46,602
The only issue is,
who will treat him.
636
00:38:46,658 --> 00:38:49,434
He's not going back to that
state hospital, I won't allow it.
637
00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,565
Frederick's my doctor.
638
00:38:51,629 --> 00:38:54,109
I think Dr. Barrett
might be otherwise occupied.
639
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,945
- Frederick?
- Don't worry, John. They're just playing their games again.
640
00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:02,076
Well, can I play too?
641
00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:05,849
Do you know �Follow the Leader"?
Or perhaps, �Simon Says" is more appropriate.
642
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:08,083
After all, that's Dr. Barrett's specialty.
643
00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:10,126
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
644
00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:12,923
You say it.
Mr. Myers does it.
645
00:39:12,984 --> 00:39:16,295
Are you saying
he put my client up to this?
646
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:21,733
Did you know Carrie Gunderson
was Dr. Barrett's patient,
647
00:39:21,793 --> 00:39:24,501
and that they were lovers?
648
00:39:30,268 --> 00:39:33,579
Frederick didn't tell me
to do anything. He didn't have to, Mr. Myers.
649
00:39:33,638 --> 00:39:37,882
He knew your psychological makeup.
He knew Carrie Gunderson's.
650
00:39:37,942 --> 00:39:42,550
All he had to do
was put two damaged people in the same test tube,
651
00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:44,594
stand back and watch the explosion.
652
00:39:44,649 --> 00:39:48,654
[Chuckles]
If real people were only that predictable.
653
00:39:49,988 --> 00:39:53,663
Maybe he just told you that Carrie
was going to ruin his career.
654
00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:56,672
[Cutler] Either way,john's not
responsible for what happened.
655
00:39:58,296 --> 00:40:00,902
I'm willing to put
a psychiatric commitment on the table...
656
00:40:00,965 --> 00:40:03,172
if he gives us the details.
657
00:40:03,234 --> 00:40:05,236
No jail time.
658
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:14,690
How about it, Mr. Myers?
659
00:40:24,823 --> 00:40:27,667
[Chuckles]
Frederick helps me.
660
00:40:27,725 --> 00:40:31,138
The man so concerned
about your mental health...
661
00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:34,268
is ready, willing and able
to let you rot in prison.
662
00:40:34,332 --> 00:40:37,108
[Barrett]
You know that's not true, John.
663
00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:40,047
I killed Carrie. I stabbed her.
664
00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:43,711
Because he wanted you to.
He manipulated you.
665
00:40:43,775 --> 00:40:45,777
That's ridiculous.
You have nothing to support that.
666
00:40:45,844 --> 00:40:49,417
You've got to help yourself here, John.
You've got to tell Mr. McCoy how this happened
667
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,653
And you've got to tell him now.
668
00:40:54,152 --> 00:40:57,099
[McCoy]
It's that or man one, Mr. Myers.
669
00:40:58,356 --> 00:41:00,666
He used you.
670
00:41:14,105 --> 00:41:16,984
He's my doctor.
671
00:41:19,944 --> 00:41:22,788
Very good, John.
672
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:49,508
What does that mean, �man one"?
Fifteen-to-life.
673
00:41:49,574 --> 00:41:51,611
He doesn't deserve that.
Because he's sick?
674
00:41:51,676 --> 00:41:54,919
That's right.
Doctor, heal thyself.
675
00:41:56,147 --> 00:41:59,321
Whatever you think,
I was not responsible for this.
676
00:41:59,384 --> 00:42:02,422
I'm a doctor.
I do what I can to cure the ill.
677
00:42:02,487 --> 00:42:05,730
I can't save every patient.
Mea culpa. I failed with John.
678
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:08,202
Don't beat yourself up,
Doctor.
679
00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:11,035
Ossining has a way
of working wonders with people like Mr. Myers.
680
00:42:11,095 --> 00:42:13,632
What's that
supposed to mean?
681
00:42:13,698 --> 00:42:15,769
A month, six months, a year-
682
00:42:15,833 --> 00:42:18,006
Before you know it,
he'll be as good as new.
683
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:22,677
Talking...
like a teenager with a first phone.
684
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:24,686
Going down.
685
00:43:07,151 --> 00:43:10,098
[Howling]
686
00:43:10,148 --> 00:43:14,698
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