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Greg is an amazing young man,
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um, and I'm sure me saying that
will anger a lot of people
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because a lot of people believe
that he is a child molester.
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His trial counsel came to me:
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"Do what you can.
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Fix this."
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The Greg Kelley case
is being reexamined.
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[Keith] Where does the
evidence lead me?
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You really have to look at
how the child was interviewed.
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It's certainly concerning
that a detective
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would mention the name of
another suspect,
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but not do any investigation
into that.
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He did nothing.
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It's stunning.
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[Keith] There's only one
teenage boy in the household
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on the date they say
it happened.
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[female reporter]
Johnathan McCarty is
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a person of interest
in this case.
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When it's your best friend,
it hurts even more.
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This was a very fair trial.
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This was a very fair process.
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They thought they
had their guy.
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And they weren't curious in
hearing any other stories.
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No, Mr. Kelley was the only
person ever accused of a crime.
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This hearing is his
one and only shot.
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I don't know.
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...in investigations when
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children victims are involved.
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And I just kind of want to
continue on that a little bit.
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Yes.
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Yes, Sir.
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Successful prosecution.
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To me, the goal is
pretty simple:
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it's to seek the truth,
to find out the truth.
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I heard that there were audible
gasps coming from the--
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from the crowd that listened to
Detective Dailey's testimony
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during that statement.
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Oh, I think the ultimate goal
in any police investigation
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is to uncover the truth
and seek justice.
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No, I would say that, uh,
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I dis-- I disagree
with his answer.
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Yes, Sir.
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Yes, Sir.
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Yes, Sir.
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Finding all the facts.
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So this entire case to me,
is full of tunnel vision,
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what I would call tunnel vision.
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If you were to ask Detective
Dailey, he's still convinced
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he definitely has
the right guy.
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And he's convinced that
he believes the child.
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Correct.
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Correct.
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Well, Sir, there was
no other victims
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and no other suspects.
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So there was no other
people to look into.
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No, Sir.
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[Rene] Okay.
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Because they named
Greg Kelley as a suspect.
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The first one named Greg.
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The other one said Greg
as well, I believe.
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And Greg was the onl--
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Greg Kelley was the only
Greg in the house.
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Yes, Sir.
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No, Sir.
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Well, in this particular
case there was, uh,
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two children, both saying that
the same person, uh, you know,
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committed a crime against them.
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Uh, I'm not aware of the child
ever saying that Johnathan
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actually did anything,
uh, to the child
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or to either one
of the children.
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So the investigation stayed
focused on, uh, Mr. Kelley.
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They identified him by name
and he was the only Greg,
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uh, in the house.
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[Greg] When Chris Dailey
took the stand,
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I couldn't bear to look at him.
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I just closed my eyes
and just prayed,
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because I-I, uh,
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I've never been this angry
in my whole life.
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And, uh, I don't know
how to deal with it.
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So, um, all I do is pray.
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Yes, Sir.
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Yes, Sir.
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To still look on that
investigation and call it
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a thorough investigation was
really hard to believe,
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particularly when you're
investigating a case that you
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want to put someone in prison
for 25 years as a minimum
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with no parole
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and the only testimony you've
got is a four-year-old.
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You'd better make sure
that's a really strong case.
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And to let other people
do investigations,
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to sit back and just listen
to everyone else
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and make assumptions,
it's frightening.
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[Keith] In Greg's case, I think
that it was a case where
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the lack of investigation was
skewed from the beginning.
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It's fairly clear to me
that-that Dailey had already
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firmed up in his mind that he
has a really ugly child molester
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and he's going to get him.
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He's going to do it
one way or the other.
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If I remember correctly, um,
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we did a media release asking
if anybody had any concerns
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in reference to their children
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to contact the police
department.
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We had a press conference
to announce first of all, uh,
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that, uh, an arrest had been
made because there was media,
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uh, interest in this
particular, uh, case.
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We put out there that if
anybody else had children
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that may have been exposed to
Mr. Kelley, uh, you know,
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to contact us if
there was any, uh--
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the thought that something may
have happened to their child.
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And that's when a second
victim came forward.
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The Chief of Police either
is not telling the truth
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or he is ignorant of what
actually happened
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regarding that second child.
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No.
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I believe I contacted him.
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[Keith] After the press
conference and-and asking
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for people to come forward,
four days passed.
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Nothing: they've got nothing.
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Nobody is coming forward.
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So Detective Dailey,
for whatever reason,
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targets this second
child's parents.
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Dailey cold-calls him
and tells the father,
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"Greg Kelley has been
arrested four days ago
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for molesting children
at the daycare center
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where you've been
taking your son.
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We want to do an
interview with him."
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And then they arrange
an interview at the
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Child Advocacy Center, CAC.
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But at that point in time,
there has been no outcry.
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The seeds were planted when
Dailey tells the father,
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"We think Greg Kelley may have
molested your child,"
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and so that night,
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if it's to be believed,
makes an outcry.
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So the sequence is:
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we've scheduled a
CAC interview
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where there's been no outcry.
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Eight hours later,
that evening,
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there's an outcry
to the parents,
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right before that next day to
take him to the CAC interview.
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They arrange a CAC interview
the night before the child,
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by sheer, magical coincidence,
makes an outcry.
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The second child's
appearance in this picture
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is staged by Dailey.
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There's no reason to think
anything happened
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to this second child.
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Out of the blue,
they have a child
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who has never outcried
about anything
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and about anybody
and arrange a CAC interview.
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You've never heard
of that before.
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The second child did
not come forward.
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The second child's outcry
was orchestrated
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by Detective Dailey.
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And this is where this case
goes off the rails a little bit,
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is there's a lot of folks out
there that want to say that,
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uh, Detective Dailey owns
the case cradle to grave,
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when in fact Detective Dailey
owns the case up to the point
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that probable cause is developed
and a warrant is issued.
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The Prosecutor's Office guided
Detective Dailey through
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the, uh, the rest of the process
up to and including the trial
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in which Mr. Kelley
was convicted.
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Correct.
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No.
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Not in [bleep] case, no.
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I didn't present the-the
case to them.
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I didn't bring over a case file
and present it to them.
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Uh, after we, uh, interviewed
him, I believe I did talk to,
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uh, Mr. Puryear.
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Correct, I don't remember
speaking to any other prosecutor
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other than Mr. Puryear
about this case.
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After that, in walks a
district court judge
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that the audience stands for.
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And so her credibility is
instantly recognized
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even by the audience.
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[female reporter] Judge Stacey
Mathews also took the stand.
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She testified that she
spoke with Dailey
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when she was a
prosecutor in the
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Williamson County District
Attorney's Office.
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[Keith] And the person that you
talked to was Detective Dailey?
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[Judge Mathews] Yes.
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[Keith] Um, tell me what
you can recall
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from that conversation.
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[Judge Mathews] So he asked me
initially if I was aware
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of the Greg Kelley case.
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At that point I said,
"I've heard of it
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but don't know a lot
of details."
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Um, he said, "He's
been charged on one child,
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uh, and we have a second child
now that I would like
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to bring charges on.
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And I wanted to call to talk to
somebody in the DA's Office
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to discuss whether or not we
should file those charges."
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So I asked the
standard questions:
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"Okay, did you take him
to the CAC?
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Did he have an interview?"
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in which he told me, "Yes,
we did a CAC interview.
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He did not give an outcry."
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And then we-- I remember him
saying that they were--
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"We took him back and had a
second interview done,
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which there was also
not an outcry."
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And then he told me that
he interviewed the child,
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um, and that the child did
not tell him anything.
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I said, "With what you're
relaying to me,
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I would not be comfortable
telling you to file charges."
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And he said, "Well, it'll
strengthen the case agai-
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against the first child."
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I advised him not to
file charges at that point.
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Yes.
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No.
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[Shawn] It was a very dramatic
moment of the hearing.
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I expected Detective Dailey to
admit that he had a conversation
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with Judge Mathews.
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It wasn't that.
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It was: "I don't even know
who you're talking about,
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'Judge Mathews'.
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I've never talked to any
other prosecutor."
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Yes, I don't know why that--
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why that would be unfair
to call it corruption.
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[Keith] There's been an outcry
in Leander, Texas.
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Everyone's saying,
"You've got the wrong guy."
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But now, they've got
an easy reply.
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There's not one;
there's two kids now.
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That second one really
strengthened themselves
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in the court of public opinion
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and their case at trial.
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[Sean] I have found no policy
violation and no violation
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of law on the part of
Detective Dailey.
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And there is no, uh, action
to be taken against him.
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I've never woken up in the
morning and wondered:
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did we get the wrong guy?
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Detective Dailey continues
being a valued member
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of the-the Cedar Park
Police Department,
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and I've not lost
confidence in him.
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[Keith] His boss promoted him.
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He's now the sergeant
over about 10 detectives.
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[Jake Brydon] I mean, come on.
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You know, we have to be honest
with ourselves about what
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we expect from-from these
types of people.
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I wouldn't let them run
a lawn-mowing service,
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much less run the entire
Cedar Park Police Department.
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Hi.
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If anybody does interviews--
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[woman] Oh, my God.
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Chris Dailey, Chris Dailey,
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Chris Dailey,
Chris Dailey.
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We need to call in the Mayor
to fire the son of a bitch
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right now...
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period, end of story.
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And if he doesn't,
we'll find a new mayor.
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I'm done talking to Sean Mannix.
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Both of them gotta go.
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Immediately.
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We're going to stand up
together and we're going to
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fight like hell and make sure
that justice is served
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in Williamson County.
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Thank you.
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[Keith] It went very well.
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S-some very tricky things have,
were laid, uh, and...
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you don't know how that's
really going to turn out.
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And, it has turned out
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almost perfectly.
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And if tomorrow goes this well,
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I'm going to feel really
good about the outcome.
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But I-I'm about to face, uh,
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two more professional witnesses
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who are sophisticated
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and...
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hostile.
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[female reporter] More
questions and concerns
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surround the justice system
in Williamson County.
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[male reporter] Right now,
Greg Kelley is fighting
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to have his conviction
overturned.
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He was sentenced to 25 years in
prison for sexually assaulting
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a child three years ago.
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But now, the focus is on an
attorney who defended him
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back in 2014.
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[Patricia] I'm questioning
everything I did.
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Can't sleep at night,
wondering:
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my gosh, what if I
had just said this?
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What if I had done that?
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Um, and that's just
part of the job.
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Um, I do know,
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even though I'll
question that forever...
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I do know that, in my heart,
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I did everything I could.
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Whether or not
I did it right,
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is a different issue.
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[Court Clerk] All rise, please.
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26th District Court in
Williamson County in Texas
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is now in session,
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the Honorable Donna King
residing.
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[Judge King] Good morning,
be seated.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I feel
that we owe you an explanation
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this morning of our delay.
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So I was really looking
forward to the day that
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Ms. Cummings was
going to testify.
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So it was a real surprise
to us when we show up
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for day two of the hearing,
we're ready to go,
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we have all our questions
ready to ask her,
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and we walk in the back
and are informed that
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Ms. Cummings has already
been in the back for--
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I don't know if it's
30 minutes or an hour.
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And we're just told there's
an ex parte hearing going on
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and we're not allowed
to be present.
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So I was frustrated
because I'm thinking:
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what in the world could have
come up overnight?
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She hasn't mentioned a thing.
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She's known she was going
to testify for months now.
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So what in the world happened
at 8:30 in the morning
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before she testifies that
she's got to have some kind of
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hearing with the judge?
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Because an ineffectiveness
claim's been lodged against her,
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she's pretty defensive
about it.
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She shows up that morning.
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She's lawyered up and
she's got an affidavit
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that's way outside the zone of
the attorney-client privilege,
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for one thing.
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And what she's basically
doing is describing Greg
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as a bad client,
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someone who just
might be guilty.
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She doesn't know.
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She was going to say, "I
repeatedly asked Greg for stuff
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and he wouldn't give it to me.
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He was too quiet.
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I didn't get enough
information from him."
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The affidavit was the threat,
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and that was not lost on me:
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this is what I'm going to do,
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and this is what
I'm going to say
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unless you back off.
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The table suddenly turned,
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where his prior lawyer
becomes his worst enemy.
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Uh, her fangs were out.
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She was going to throw
him under the bus.
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You know, she made it clear:
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there's only one goal here,
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and that's to clear
Patricia Cummings.
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So because you declared
total war on my client,
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at that moment,
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I decided we're going to
play some chess here.
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I'll give up that claim.
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I surrender.
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Mr. Hampton, can you
please address, uh,
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your next steps
concerning your writ?
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[Keith] Yes, Ma'am.
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Uh [clears throat], at this
time, I am, uh,
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withdrawing two of the claims
in the second amended writ
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regarding ineffective
assistance of counsel.
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She thought she won.
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She got me to withdraw
that claim,
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so, victory.
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She-she won it in the
Court's Office.
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But the minute she did that and
the way she did it, I just went:
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okay, I'll withdraw it.
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But I'm going to
come back around.
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I'm going to do this
other stuff that you
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haven't even thought of.
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Under the law, Patricia's
plan to publicly nail her
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former client can be done
under the first claim,
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the ineffective
assistance claim.
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It's all irrelevant under a
conflict of interest claim,
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where you don't get to say
any of that under the law.
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So I'm not going to ask it
and you don't get to say it.
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She didn't know that until
she walked out to testify.
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At this time, I'm making an
oral amendment to include
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an ineffective assistance
of counsel claim
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limited to trial counsel's
conflict of interest.
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So I would establish that
I have asserted, uh,
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on behalf of my client his
attorney-client privilege
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and then would pass her
as a witness.
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And I believe that the
questions that the
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State would ask are limited
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and are pertinent only to the
conflict of interest.
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We were in the courtroom
with the rest of you all,
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waiting.
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And then, uh, and we heard it
all for the first time
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with everybody else.
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[Shawn] Mr. Hampton announces
that he's going to withdraw
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his ineffective claim.
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Uh, I was-- I was livid.
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I felt very strongly that that
was one of the strongest parts
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of this case, that she is
equally responsible in this,
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as is the Cedar Park
Police Department.
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This has always been, uh,
a difficult matter,
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trying to go back four years
and figure out what happened.
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But the very person that brought
this forward was Ms. Cummings.
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She-she brought this case
forward to Mr. Hampton
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to be investigated.
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Now the one person we're not
going to be able to talk to
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about this case is Ms. Cummings.
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We'd been on this journey
to try to figure out
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what the truth is here.
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And it's proven difficult
at every turn.
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Whether she had a conflict
of interest is obviously the
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ultimate question.
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What we were trying to develop
at the hearing was the facts
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that would be the
basis of that claim.
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My name is Patricia Cummings.
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I was.
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I am.
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Multiple times.
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Can't violate that?
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That's correct.
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Patricia was mystified by
the fact that I had
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piddly questions:
what's your name?
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What's your favorite color?
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Pass the witness, you know.
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And I would love to be able
to talk to you, Mr. Roberts,
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but I cannot violate my ethical
obligation to my client.
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And so I'm kind of in a jam.
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- Yeah.
- Kind of like you are.
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[Patricia] Certainly.
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He did.
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He did.
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I did.
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[Patricia] Yes.
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I think they just assumed
that because the outcry
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had occurred on the 13th,
they were assuming that any
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alleged offense had occurred
close in time to that.
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I don't think it's perfectly
reasonable at all.
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Not at all.
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And-and if you'd like for me
to explain that, Mr. Roberts,
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I can explain.
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00:24:05,387 --> 00:24:06,845
No, I mean you-you're
obviously--
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even though you don't
want to waive
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attorney-client privilege
or won't,
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you're willing to explain
all of this.
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00:24:11,136 --> 00:24:12,553
[Patricia] Actually,
it's on the record.
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All I'm going to say--
all I'm going to say is
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this was no surprise.
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You had a-- you had
a sheet of paper
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from the Cedar Park Police.
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Rightly or wrongly,
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whether that's the correct date
or the incorrect date,
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whether it's a good date
or a bad date,
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there is a piece of paper
there that has
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that date in there as the
date of this offense.
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Right, and you are also aware
that at the time Greg Kelley
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was not in the home?
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He had moved out
in June of 2013.
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And Aldo testified to
that too yesterday.
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Okay?
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A-actually, I need to
be careful, Judge,
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00:24:42,053 --> 00:24:43,553
because I do think that
that does go into
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attorney-client privileged
information and so--
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[Patricia] But I--
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Well, I've already
answered the fact that
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I was aware that Freed wrote
a one-page report
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that said July 12th, 2013.
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So--
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I cannot say that those are
his exact words.
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00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:20,011
I don't--
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So are you asking me a question?
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I mean so I-I don't know
that those--
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I- as I s--
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As I explained a moment ago,
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I received that on
July 7th of 2013.
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I had that tape.
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[Shawn] The police officers
thought this happened
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on July 12th.
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That's when they
said it happened.
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00:25:43,804 --> 00:25:45,011
They got that information
from somewhere.
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00:25:45,095 --> 00:25:46,512
They told you.
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00:25:46,595 --> 00:25:47,720
They got that information
from somewhere.
469
00:25:47,804 --> 00:25:50,220
We know where Greg Kelley
was on July 12th.
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00:25:50,303 --> 00:25:52,095
That has to be a
reasonable doubt.
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It has to be.
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And so why in the world
would you ignore that date?
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We couldn't think
of a single reason
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not to mention that at all.
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00:26:00,929 --> 00:26:03,220
Whether your defense is
it never happened,
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00:26:03,303 --> 00:26:04,387
this is all made up,
477
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:05,970
how could you miss that
piece of information?
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00:26:06,053 --> 00:26:08,804
I mean it's on the front page
of the offense report.
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And the offense report
is only 13 pages long.
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So how in the world could
you miss that that is
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the offense date?
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00:26:15,929 --> 00:26:17,845
And why in the world would you
not do something about that?
483
00:26:18,929 --> 00:26:21,679
It's difficult for
me to imagine
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defending someone who's being
accused of having abused
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not only one but now
two children
486
00:26:29,387 --> 00:26:32,261
that if you're presented with
this kind of information,
487
00:26:32,345 --> 00:26:35,720
that you-you couldn't or
wouldn't explore its use
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in defense of your client.
489
00:26:40,261 --> 00:26:41,136
I did.
490
00:26:43,387 --> 00:26:44,637
I am.
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00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,970
You'd obviously seen
Johnathan McCarty.
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Right, and one of
the allegations I,
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00:26:51,053 --> 00:26:54,053
obviously this is part of this
writ, is that there is a s--
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back at the time in 2013,
there is a facial similarity
495
00:26:57,553 --> 00:27:00,053
between Johnathan
and Greg Kelley.
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00:27:02,553 --> 00:27:04,303
Judge, if-if you
would just order me
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00:27:04,387 --> 00:27:05,637
that I could go into this,
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00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,720
because I do believe that
that goes into
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attorney-client privilege and
confidential information.
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00:27:11,762 --> 00:27:14,095
Um, I certainly-- even saying
whether I'm aware of it or not,
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I think does.
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[Judge King] I think the
question is--
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00:27:16,887 --> 00:27:18,053
he asked you his identity.
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00:27:18,136 --> 00:27:19,637
So I just want to--
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The-the similarity
of their appearance.
506
00:27:20,845 --> 00:27:22,595
I actually think saying that
I interviewed him,
507
00:27:22,679 --> 00:27:25,136
actually was probably something
I shouldn't say because--
508
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:27,720
I think your responses
that are germane to,
509
00:27:27,804 --> 00:27:30,804
and relevant to the questions
that he's asking you,
510
00:27:30,887 --> 00:27:35,387
although albeit maybe considered
confidential under the rule,
511
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:36,387
I'm ordering you to answer.
512
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:37,929
Thank you, Judge.
513
00:27:38,011 --> 00:27:41,303
And so, was I aware that
there was a resemblance?
514
00:27:41,387 --> 00:27:42,095
Is that the question?
515
00:27:42,178 --> 00:27:44,178
Sure, I was, yes.
516
00:27:44,261 --> 00:27:48,929
[dramatic music builds]
517
00:27:49,011 --> 00:27:56,929
♪
518
00:27:57,011 --> 00:28:05,720
♪
519
00:28:05,804 --> 00:28:06,804
I mean, I think the
football coaches had it
520
00:28:06,887 --> 00:28:08,637
figured out like
[snaps] that.
521
00:28:09,428 --> 00:28:10,595
- Yes.
- Right off the bat.
522
00:28:10,679 --> 00:28:11,929
- Yes.
- Right off the bat.
523
00:28:12,011 --> 00:28:13,804
It was nothing about
a deal where:
524
00:28:13,887 --> 00:28:15,470
oh, this is-- Gr-Greg's
not the guy.
525
00:28:15,553 --> 00:28:16,804
Johnathan's the guy.
526
00:28:16,887 --> 00:28:18,679
I wasn't looking at that.
527
00:28:18,762 --> 00:28:21,804
I was just looking because they
both lived in the same house.
528
00:28:21,887 --> 00:28:25,470
And so I looked-- we had
team photos of both kids.
529
00:28:25,553 --> 00:28:29,637
And I saw-- I put two photos
side by side and-and I was like,
530
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,011
man, they both look alike.
531
00:28:32,095 --> 00:28:34,887
[Bryan] They looked
like the same guy to me.
532
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:37,261
And I thought in the eyes
of a four-year-old--
533
00:28:37,345 --> 00:28:38,887
I don't know if McCarty
did it or not.
534
00:28:38,970 --> 00:28:40,720
I don't know if Kelley
did it or not.
535
00:28:40,804 --> 00:28:44,345
But when I saw the football suit
on the two of those two guys,
536
00:28:44,428 --> 00:28:46,845
they looked like twins to me.
537
00:28:46,929 --> 00:28:50,970
The two pictures, actually,
uh, we had those pictures.
538
00:28:51,053 --> 00:28:53,178
And we were convinced, hey,
you need to look at this.
539
00:28:53,261 --> 00:28:54,595
Just n-- look at it.
540
00:28:54,679 --> 00:28:56,553
So we s-- went to Patricia,
mentioned that,
541
00:28:56,637 --> 00:28:57,679
and she would quickly say,
542
00:28:57,762 --> 00:28:59,095
"We're not going
that route."
543
00:29:03,303 --> 00:29:04,095
Absolutely.
544
00:29:06,929 --> 00:29:09,512
She just said-- she put her
hand up, uh, kind of
545
00:29:09,595 --> 00:29:10,470
in front of my face
and she said,
546
00:29:10,553 --> 00:29:12,178
"We're not going to go there."
547
00:29:12,261 --> 00:29:13,303
[Keith] Okay.
548
00:29:13,387 --> 00:29:16,011
So months before the
trial even happened,
549
00:29:16,095 --> 00:29:19,637
I had told the private
investigator for Patricia,
550
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,679
which was Greg's--
Greg's case,
551
00:29:21,762 --> 00:29:24,095
that Johnathan was a suspect--
552
00:29:24,178 --> 00:29:25,553
they-they need to
investigate him.
553
00:29:25,637 --> 00:29:26,387
They need to look into him.
554
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:28,053
He was living in the house.
555
00:29:28,136 --> 00:29:31,929
He missed school all the time,
everything that pointed to him
556
00:29:32,011 --> 00:29:34,595
that could have easily
make him a suspect.
557
00:29:34,679 --> 00:29:35,679
I told him all of that stuff.
558
00:29:35,762 --> 00:29:36,804
He wrote it down.
559
00:29:36,887 --> 00:29:38,637
I remember I printed it out,
I signed it.
560
00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:40,804
Allen Keirn.
561
00:29:42,887 --> 00:29:43,970
I'm a private investigator.
562
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:50,095
Yes, I was.
563
00:29:58,553 --> 00:29:59,887
Yes, I did.
564
00:30:09,595 --> 00:30:11,011
[Keith] Yes, I did.
565
00:30:20,512 --> 00:30:22,720
Um, her response was that
we were not going to
566
00:30:22,804 --> 00:30:25,929
investigate Johnathan McCarty.
567
00:30:27,136 --> 00:30:28,428
Yes.
568
00:30:30,011 --> 00:30:32,762
We wondered if she had the
picture of, you know,
569
00:30:32,845 --> 00:30:35,428
Johnathan McCarty side
by side with Greg Kelley.
570
00:30:35,512 --> 00:30:36,970
We were told she had that
from the beginning
571
00:30:37,053 --> 00:30:38,512
of the investigation.
572
00:30:38,595 --> 00:30:40,929
There was certainly plenty of
time that you could say:
573
00:30:41,011 --> 00:30:42,595
you know what, I'm learning
new information.
574
00:30:42,679 --> 00:30:43,804
Let me investigate this lead.
575
00:30:43,887 --> 00:30:45,512
But the truth is she was
never going to investigate
576
00:30:45,595 --> 00:30:46,970
Johnathan McCarty.
577
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:48,637
She wouldn't today investigate
Johnathan McCarty.
578
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,470
That was clear from her
answers on the stand.
579
00:31:04,011 --> 00:31:06,553
I don't think I was
ever asked that,
580
00:31:06,637 --> 00:31:08,512
that specifically, Mr. Roberts.
581
00:31:08,595 --> 00:31:12,178
I do recall talking to a few
different people about:
582
00:31:12,261 --> 00:31:14,512
is it possible Johnathan
could have been involved?
583
00:31:14,595 --> 00:31:16,387
Yes, that did occur.
584
00:31:17,637 --> 00:31:19,011
I did talk to one juror
585
00:31:19,095 --> 00:31:22,428
and he gave me some
interesting information.
586
00:31:22,512 --> 00:31:25,512
It sounded like it was a
combination of, of course
587
00:31:25,595 --> 00:31:27,595
a four-year-old wouldn't
say that if they hadn't
588
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:30,345
experienced something sexual,
589
00:31:30,428 --> 00:31:36,261
um, and then kind of as a
secondary point they said,
590
00:31:36,345 --> 00:31:41,595
"So we kept waiting
to hear why.
591
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:42,970
Why would he say that?
592
00:31:43,053 --> 00:31:45,387
Was there somebody
else that did it?"
593
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:48,845
Um, and because they
never got that answer,
594
00:31:48,929 --> 00:31:51,804
they believed the child.
595
00:31:51,887 --> 00:31:53,720
She put on blinders.
596
00:31:53,804 --> 00:31:56,595
And despite the fact that
people were telling her
597
00:31:56,679 --> 00:31:58,387
look at Johnathan,
598
00:31:58,470 --> 00:32:01,428
she rebuffed them
time and again.
599
00:32:08,887 --> 00:32:10,261
There appeared to be
a conflict, yes.
600
00:32:13,887 --> 00:32:17,720
The conflict was that, um,
that, uh, Ms. Cummings had a
601
00:32:17,804 --> 00:32:21,387
prior relationship with the
McCarty, uh, family, uh,
602
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:24,261
due to her representing
some of her children.
603
00:32:27,261 --> 00:32:29,220
I thought it was a conflict,
yes.
604
00:32:33,845 --> 00:32:35,470
I absolutely believe
Patricia Cummings had a conflict
605
00:32:35,553 --> 00:32:38,762
with her relationship
with the McCarty family.
606
00:32:38,845 --> 00:32:42,220
[Keith] She represented
the McCarty brothers.
607
00:32:42,303 --> 00:32:45,887
But one in particular,
she had represented
608
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:49,136
for indecency with a child.
609
00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:53,428
From the beginning of her
representation of Greg,
610
00:32:53,512 --> 00:32:59,845
it was skewed because of
her involvement with the
611
00:32:59,929 --> 00:33:01,970
McCarty brothers,
three of them.
612
00:33:02,053 --> 00:33:04,970
She had never represented
Johnathan,
613
00:33:05,053 --> 00:33:06,637
but she had represented
the other three boys
614
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,345
in some fashion over the
last maybe 10 years.
615
00:33:11,428 --> 00:33:15,011
I know she represented each of
them at least once, but it--
616
00:33:15,095 --> 00:33:17,011
there might be one of them,
one of the boys,
617
00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:20,512
that she represented on-on-on a
couple of different occasions.
618
00:33:26,845 --> 00:33:28,136
Then or now?
619
00:33:30,637 --> 00:33:32,345
I-I-I haven't had any
relationship with her
620
00:33:32,428 --> 00:33:33,553
since this trial.
621
00:33:33,637 --> 00:33:34,887
[Lindsey] Right, right.
622
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:38,970
Um, then, I would say it was
a friendly relationship.
623
00:33:39,053 --> 00:33:40,512
[Lindsey] Okay.
624
00:33:40,595 --> 00:33:42,136
You know, the-the idea of
a conflict, it's-it's a
625
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:44,804
little bit like taking
an intoxicated person.
626
00:33:44,887 --> 00:33:46,637
You know, the person that's
intoxicated, are they really
627
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,804
the best judge to tell you
whether they're intoxicated,
628
00:33:48,887 --> 00:33:50,512
or is it everyone around them?
629
00:33:50,595 --> 00:33:52,970
And so someone that has a
conflict I don't think can
630
00:33:53,053 --> 00:33:54,387
see it all the time.
631
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:56,470
And I think clearly, she's
still living in the middle
632
00:33:56,553 --> 00:33:59,220
of a conflict that she
can't recognize.
633
00:33:59,303 --> 00:34:01,261
For whatever reason,
she's convinced that
634
00:34:01,345 --> 00:34:02,553
Johnathan McCarty is
not someone
635
00:34:02,637 --> 00:34:04,345
that we should even
be looking at.
636
00:34:04,804 --> 00:34:07,011
Uh, but she doesn't seem to
act the same way with her own
637
00:34:07,095 --> 00:34:09,512
client these days, which
is hard to explain.
638
00:34:10,637 --> 00:34:15,136
I believe Patricia took
Johnathan's interest over mine.
639
00:34:16,136 --> 00:34:17,845
I'm the one paying her
to defend me,
640
00:34:17,929 --> 00:34:19,845
trusting her to defend me.
641
00:34:19,929 --> 00:34:22,512
And I believe that she worked
her whole defense around
642
00:34:22,595 --> 00:34:23,845
Johnathan McCarty.
643
00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:26,387
And now I have to serve
25 years in prison for it.
644
00:34:37,136 --> 00:34:39,053
[Cody Mitchell] I am a
Texas Ranger employed by
645
00:34:39,136 --> 00:34:41,261
the Texas Department
of Public Safety.
646
00:34:41,345 --> 00:34:44,428
I investigate any criminal
activity within the
647
00:34:44,512 --> 00:34:47,345
boundaries of Texas, mainly,
uh, major crimes.
648
00:34:54,887 --> 00:34:56,345
[Cody] That's correct.
649
00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,595
We initially asked the Texas
Rangers to come in and do
650
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:03,053
was help us investigate the
defense claims on a writ.
651
00:35:03,136 --> 00:35:06,303
Um, it really wasn't
to solve the case.
652
00:35:06,387 --> 00:35:09,303
If we could solve the case
in doing it, fantastic.
653
00:35:09,387 --> 00:35:11,303
That's ideally what we want.
654
00:35:11,387 --> 00:35:13,553
But we had to investigate the
claims on whether or not
655
00:35:13,637 --> 00:35:16,178
Greg Kelley was given
a fair trial,
656
00:35:16,261 --> 00:35:18,011
um, and whether the system
worked the way
657
00:35:18,095 --> 00:35:21,053
that it should have in
the original trial.
658
00:35:21,136 --> 00:35:23,720
Usually, when you
call witnesses,
659
00:35:23,804 --> 00:35:25,220
you have an idea, you know.
660
00:35:25,303 --> 00:35:27,345
You've already talked to them:
661
00:35:27,428 --> 00:35:28,845
we're going to talk about
this, this and this.
662
00:35:28,929 --> 00:35:30,220
What would you say?
663
00:35:30,303 --> 00:35:33,679
And then, you know, they
get up and they testify.
664
00:35:33,762 --> 00:35:36,261
And you-you pretty well
know what to expect.
665
00:35:36,345 --> 00:35:38,470
Not-not in this case:
none of us did.
666
00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:48,136
That's correct.
667
00:35:58,011 --> 00:35:59,428
I did.
668
00:35:59,512 --> 00:36:02,428
[Keith] At the moment this
writ was made public,
669
00:36:02,512 --> 00:36:05,261
Johnathan was in a room
with the Ranger in the
670
00:36:05,345 --> 00:36:08,178
Williamson County Jail
answering questions.
671
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:41,970
The little boy doesn't
reveal this during his
672
00:36:42,053 --> 00:36:44,303
initial interview by the
forensic interviewer
673
00:36:44,387 --> 00:36:46,553
at the Child Advocacy Center,
674
00:36:46,637 --> 00:36:52,053
but the prosecutors the spring
before Greg's trial asked him,
675
00:36:52,136 --> 00:36:55,178
um, "Well, did-did he
have pants on?"
676
00:36:55,261 --> 00:36:56,845
And he said yes.
677
00:36:56,929 --> 00:36:58,261
"What were they?"
678
00:36:58,345 --> 00:37:01,345
S-- they were pajamas,
SpongeBob pajamas.
679
00:37:02,512 --> 00:37:04,804
The revelation that
the assailant wore
680
00:37:04,887 --> 00:37:08,220
SpongeBob pajamas, uh,
that's not disclosed
681
00:37:08,303 --> 00:37:11,387
to the defense until
the middle of trial.
682
00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:14,387
And nobody can assess the
significance of it.
683
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:16,512
If they had gotten it
beforehand, they could have
684
00:37:16,595 --> 00:37:18,136
done the same thing that I did,
685
00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:21,929
which was to walk around
and ask people did--
686
00:37:22,011 --> 00:37:23,762
who wore SpongeBob pajamas?
687
00:37:23,845 --> 00:37:24,428
Johnathan did.
688
00:37:24,512 --> 00:37:26,011
He wore them to school.
689
00:37:26,095 --> 00:37:27,512
He wore them in
the neighborhood.
690
00:37:27,595 --> 00:37:30,053
[Gaebri] I do remember
Johnathan wearing SpongeBob
691
00:37:30,136 --> 00:37:31,637
pajama pants to school.
692
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,178
A lot of people have witnessed
these SpongeBob pajamas.
693
00:37:34,261 --> 00:37:39,053
Uh, he'd wear like his pajamas
a bit, no shirt sometimes,
694
00:37:39,136 --> 00:37:43,095
or SpongeBob pajamas
actually, yeah.
695
00:37:43,178 --> 00:37:45,887
He had a pair of pajama pants
with SpongeBob on them,
696
00:37:45,970 --> 00:37:47,720
because I told him he was
a little bit too grown
697
00:37:47,804 --> 00:37:49,595
to be wearing those
kind of pajamas.
698
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,136
He was like, "Yeah, but I like
SpongeBob," blah blah, okay.
699
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:01,595
[Cody] Yes.
700
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:02,428
[Keith] Okay.
701
00:38:14,387 --> 00:38:15,637
[Cody] And a cell phone
picture of you in them.
702
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,762
Why would you lie about such
an important fact that only
703
00:38:55,845 --> 00:38:59,762
the assailant would actually
know is really important,
704
00:38:59,845 --> 00:39:01,970
that you're asking me
about something I did
705
00:39:02,053 --> 00:39:03,428
so I'm going to deny it?
706
00:39:03,512 --> 00:39:05,303
Th-this is not a perfect case.
707
00:39:05,387 --> 00:39:07,011
I mean it would have
been perfect if Greg--
708
00:39:07,095 --> 00:39:08,929
if Greg had said,
709
00:39:09,011 --> 00:39:10,637
"Well, SpongeBob?
710
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,679
I've never-- I don't-- you know,
I've never worn them."
711
00:39:13,762 --> 00:39:14,804
But that's not him.
712
00:39:14,887 --> 00:39:16,845
He's going to tell you
the truth, you know.
713
00:39:16,929 --> 00:39:18,387
So he did.
714
00:39:43,345 --> 00:39:45,512
And then Johnathan,
when confronted:
715
00:39:45,595 --> 00:39:46,637
"I-I don't know what
you're talking about.
716
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:47,637
SpongeBob?
717
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,261
Never heard of it," you know.
718
00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:51,136
Why would that be--
719
00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:54,553
now, see, at this point, with
all the publicity, I get that.
720
00:39:54,637 --> 00:39:55,970
Okay?
721
00:39:56,053 --> 00:39:57,804
I'm going to lie about it
because I know you're after me.
722
00:39:57,887 --> 00:40:01,178
But the key is, he's saying it
when he doesn't have any idea.
723
00:40:01,261 --> 00:40:04,053
He should not have known that
SpongeBob was important.
724
00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:06,929
The defense claims
another young man who
725
00:40:07,011 --> 00:40:09,762
lived in the home where the
sexual assault happened
726
00:40:09,845 --> 00:40:12,804
is responsible, alleging he
had pictures of naked children
727
00:40:12,887 --> 00:40:14,011
on his phone.
728
00:40:14,095 --> 00:40:16,136
And bears a striking
resemblance to Kelley.
729
00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:18,804
[male reporter] A newly
unsealed court document says
730
00:40:18,887 --> 00:40:22,470
that cell phone technology
shows that McCarty had images
731
00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:27,512
of naked young children on his
computer and his cell phone.
732
00:40:35,303 --> 00:40:36,595
Correct.
733
00:40:41,303 --> 00:40:42,720
It does meet the definition.
734
00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:46,512
What we found on the computer
was child pornography
735
00:40:46,595 --> 00:40:52,470
and his voracious,
uh, porn site,
736
00:40:52,553 --> 00:40:56,095
uh, visitations, 1,300,
737
00:40:56,178 --> 00:40:57,762
off of that computer.
738
00:40:57,845 --> 00:41:00,887
So he was a frequent
flier there.
739
00:41:01,595 --> 00:41:04,053
I certainly think had we not
reopened the case into
740
00:41:04,136 --> 00:41:06,595
Greg Kelley, um, there were a
lot of things we wouldn't have
741
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,053
learned about Mr. McCarty.
742
00:41:09,136 --> 00:41:12,053
Uh, because this case is
pending, I certainly want to
743
00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:14,011
be careful about what I
say about his cases.
744
00:41:14,095 --> 00:41:17,095
But we learned a lot of
information that someone who's
745
00:41:17,178 --> 00:41:21,261
otherwise on a state jail
felony drug probation,
746
00:41:21,345 --> 00:41:24,345
uh, we wouldn't have known
or-or paid attention to.
747
00:41:27,178 --> 00:41:28,970
He's still here in the
Williamson County Jail,
748
00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:32,345
arrested on his
probation revocation,
749
00:41:32,428 --> 00:41:34,512
uh, on-on a fairly
high bond.
750
00:41:36,178 --> 00:41:38,095
[phone ringing]
751
00:41:38,178 --> 00:41:40,178
[phone recording] Hello, you
have a call at no expense
752
00:41:40,261 --> 00:41:41,595
to you from...
753
00:41:43,595 --> 00:41:46,595
an inmate at Williamson
County Jail.
754
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:48,095
You may begin speaking now.
755
00:42:58,762 --> 00:43:00,470
I think as the allegations
had been made
756
00:43:00,553 --> 00:43:02,637
and-and evidence has
been introduced,
757
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,762
the law enforcement,
758
00:43:04,845 --> 00:43:08,178
uh, investigation in this case,
uh, was clearly lacking.
759
00:43:08,261 --> 00:43:10,178
There's more that should have
been done that was not done.
760
00:43:10,261 --> 00:43:12,720
I think the ranger made
that clear from the stand.
761
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:20,720
Yes.
762
00:43:20,804 --> 00:43:23,845
Would it be important
that when you learned
763
00:43:23,929 --> 00:43:27,553
the offense occurred in a
home daycare situation
764
00:43:27,637 --> 00:43:31,762
to actually visit the
home daycare situation?
765
00:43:31,845 --> 00:43:32,637
Yes.
766
00:43:34,845 --> 00:43:35,553
Yes.
767
00:43:35,637 --> 00:43:37,428
- Investigate them?
- Yes.
768
00:43:37,512 --> 00:43:38,595
- Maybe run a criminal history?
769
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:39,470
[Cody] Correct.
770
00:43:39,553 --> 00:43:41,428
- Interview them?
- Yes.
771
00:43:41,512 --> 00:43:43,178
Find out which bedrooms
are theirs?
772
00:43:43,261 --> 00:43:43,720
[Cody] Correct.
773
00:43:46,929 --> 00:43:49,887
...and there are 20 football
players that stay at that house
774
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:51,804
over the summer every night--
775
00:43:51,887 --> 00:43:54,220
would it be important to know
who those people are?
776
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,136
[audience laughing]
777
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:03,595
[Cody] Yes.
778
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:15,804
The original investigation?
779
00:44:17,136 --> 00:44:19,178
Um, yeah.
780
00:44:35,345 --> 00:44:38,428
What started off as, um,
I ain't going to use
781
00:44:38,512 --> 00:44:44,261
the word simple but a, uh,
investigation into a crime that
782
00:44:44,345 --> 00:44:47,970
I'm used to working on turned
out to be an investigation
783
00:44:48,053 --> 00:44:52,970
into different entities all
involved with the crime that,
784
00:44:53,053 --> 00:44:56,136
for their own reasons
or own motives,
785
00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,011
did things that shouldn't
have been done.
786
00:44:59,095 --> 00:45:01,804
And it all just came
together i-in the center
787
00:45:01,887 --> 00:45:05,720
and hit this-this defendant.
788
00:45:12,887 --> 00:45:17,637
I would be scared to death to
think that I could be--
789
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,512
end up in the same position
with no evidence whatsoever
790
00:45:20,595 --> 00:45:24,595
and no investigation done and
be convicted of something that
791
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,470
I may or may not have done.
792
00:45:27,553 --> 00:45:29,428
[Greg] I'd be terrified.
793
00:45:30,095 --> 00:45:32,679
That's what I am, you know.
794
00:45:32,762 --> 00:45:34,720
That never leaves me.
795
00:45:35,428 --> 00:45:38,053
So--
796
00:45:38,136 --> 00:45:38,762
yeah.
797
00:45:46,595 --> 00:45:50,095
It has led to the development
of suspects but, uh,
798
00:45:50,178 --> 00:45:51,261
no conclusions.
799
00:45:54,178 --> 00:45:54,845
Three total.
800
00:46:14,804 --> 00:46:16,387
...Greg Kelley is one of the
suspects.
801
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:20,345
And there are-- there is
evidence that because of
802
00:46:20,428 --> 00:46:23,762
that evidence he cannot be
ruled out at this time.
803
00:46:23,845 --> 00:46:26,929
Um, Johnathan McCarty
is also a suspect,
804
00:46:27,011 --> 00:46:29,887
and then the third individual
that I'm going to--
805
00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:32,220
[Bryan] This should have
happened in 2013.
806
00:46:32,303 --> 00:46:35,720
Now we're here
four years later.
807
00:46:35,804 --> 00:46:37,637
This guy's been in prison
for three years.
808
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:41,053
Oh, and by the way,
not just is McCarty,
809
00:46:41,136 --> 00:46:43,595
the twin brother,
almost, to this kid,
810
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,053
but there's a
third person now.
811
00:46:46,136 --> 00:46:48,345
It was-- it was mind-blowing
whenever that announcement
812
00:46:48,428 --> 00:46:49,679
was made in court.
813
00:46:49,762 --> 00:46:51,095
[female reporter] Now McCarty's
attorney was also in
814
00:46:51,178 --> 00:46:53,261
the courtroom, listening
to the testimony,
815
00:46:53,345 --> 00:46:56,053
and said it's extremely
unusual to watch both
816
00:46:56,136 --> 00:46:59,345
the DA and defense
seek the same outcome.
817
00:46:59,428 --> 00:47:02,428
In this case, they were
both looking to, uh,
818
00:47:02,512 --> 00:47:03,887
exonerate Mr. Kelley.
819
00:47:03,970 --> 00:47:06,929
And they were doing so at the
expense of Johnathan McCarty.
820
00:47:07,011 --> 00:47:10,804
In an attempt to restore
justice to Greg Kelley,
821
00:47:10,887 --> 00:47:13,720
they have denied
Johnathan McCarty justice.
822
00:47:13,804 --> 00:47:16,845
And it is not how
our system works.
823
00:47:16,929 --> 00:47:19,178
That ranger was actually
looking, doing an
824
00:47:19,261 --> 00:47:21,595
investigation that's based
on a defense strategy:
825
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:23,136
look for alternative suspects.
826
00:47:23,220 --> 00:47:24,428
Okay?
827
00:47:24,512 --> 00:47:26,095
There's a lot of talk
about Johnathan McCarty.
828
00:47:26,178 --> 00:47:29,136
And then this mystery man that
comes up at the 11th hour as
829
00:47:29,220 --> 00:47:31,345
a p-potential third suspect:
we know who that is.
830
00:47:31,428 --> 00:47:34,804
To this day, the only
person that has met the
831
00:47:34,887 --> 00:47:38,011
probable cause bar
is Greg Kelley.
832
00:47:39,428 --> 00:47:42,303
[Judge King] I will work to
draft my own findings of fact.
833
00:47:42,387 --> 00:47:46,136
And I'm simply making
determinations,
834
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:49,470
but really this-- the final
decision, as you all know,
835
00:47:49,553 --> 00:47:52,679
is to be made by the folks
836
00:47:52,762 --> 00:47:55,136
down at the Court of
Criminal Appeals.
837
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:59,136
Lawyers who have never
seen Mr. Kelley,
838
00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:01,720
will never see Mr. Kelley
very likely,
839
00:48:01,804 --> 00:48:03,970
are going to grade
all of our papers
840
00:48:04,053 --> 00:48:06,720
and make a determination
based on the law.
841
00:48:07,804 --> 00:48:09,470
Emotion doesn't enter into it.
842
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:12,512
So, we need to take the
time to get it right.
843
00:48:13,512 --> 00:48:16,011
All right, Ladies and Gentlemen,
I adjourn these proceedings.
844
00:48:16,095 --> 00:48:17,679
You all are excused.
845
00:48:17,762 --> 00:48:26,512
[low dramatic music]
846
00:48:26,595 --> 00:48:28,345
Had I been the attorney
in charge of this case
847
00:48:28,428 --> 00:48:29,637
at the beginning,
848
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:32,136
there is no way that
I would have brought charges.
849
00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:33,762
At this point, this would be
one of those cases that
850
00:48:33,845 --> 00:48:35,261
I would chalk up in my book as:
851
00:48:35,345 --> 00:48:38,095
unknown, further
investigation required.
852
00:48:38,178 --> 00:48:41,387
Having the outcry of
the child be "it",
853
00:48:41,470 --> 00:48:43,011
it should never be it.
854
00:48:43,095 --> 00:48:46,720
It should be the starting
point of every investigation.
855
00:48:47,178 --> 00:48:49,178
Part of our responsibility
as a-- as a prosecutor
856
00:48:49,261 --> 00:48:51,345
is it's not just about do
we believe the children
857
00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:55,136
but it's: what evidence do
we have to support that?
858
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:57,136
Um, it's one thing
to believe a child.
859
00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:59,887
It's one thing to want to help
and support a child.
860
00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:02,220
But we have a higher
calling than that.
861
00:49:02,303 --> 00:49:05,053
We have a higher responsibility
than that as prosecutors.
862
00:49:05,136 --> 00:49:07,887
And so I would not go forward
on that kind of a case,
863
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:11,220
because if I am going to go
forward on the word of a child,
864
00:49:11,303 --> 00:49:13,220
I need to have a detective
who can get up there
865
00:49:13,303 --> 00:49:17,428
and say the kinds of things that
Ranger Mitchell said, that:
866
00:49:17,512 --> 00:49:18,595
I did this.
867
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:19,595
I talked to these people.
868
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:20,887
I identified these people.
869
00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:24,553
I talked to each and every
one of these individuals.
870
00:49:24,637 --> 00:49:26,220
I looked everywhere.
871
00:49:26,303 --> 00:49:27,970
And I'm still left with this.
872
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:33,428
Is everything okay?
873
00:49:41,970 --> 00:49:44,053
And-and that's what
y'all asked for, so--
874
00:49:44,136 --> 00:49:45,679
I feel good that I'm at
least giving you all that.
875
00:49:45,762 --> 00:49:46,512
Yes, yes.
876
00:49:55,595 --> 00:49:56,553
Well, thank you,
very much.
877
00:49:56,637 --> 00:49:57,512
Thank you so much.
878
00:49:58,595 --> 00:49:59,929
[Cody] You take care.
879
00:50:00,011 --> 00:50:01,637
I think whenever we
talk about, you know,
880
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,387
how I would describe
just the entire case,
881
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:05,553
it's just a mess.
882
00:50:05,637 --> 00:50:08,595
And it continues to be
a mess even to this day.
883
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,637
It's really unsatisfying as
well, because there's no clear
884
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,345
great answer to this.
885
00:50:15,428 --> 00:50:18,553
We don't have clarity on who
actually committed this offense.
886
00:50:18,637 --> 00:50:21,720
Uh, we don't have clarity
on exactly what the
887
00:50:21,804 --> 00:50:24,428
right claims for relief are.
888
00:50:24,512 --> 00:50:26,679
Uh, we don't have clarity
necessarily about how to
889
00:50:26,762 --> 00:50:28,637
move forward from this.
890
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,220
Uh, but the one thing that I
think we've got clarity on here
891
00:50:31,303 --> 00:50:32,970
is that the system failed.
892
00:50:33,053 --> 00:50:35,303
It's the one thing that I can do
something about moving forward,
893
00:50:35,387 --> 00:50:37,303
and that's what
we're focusing on.
894
00:50:38,303 --> 00:50:41,261
Even if Judge King does agree
to release Kelley on bond,
895
00:50:41,345 --> 00:50:44,136
we will still have to wait for
the Court of Criminal Appeals
896
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:47,095
to rule in his favor in order
to exonerate him.
897
00:50:47,178 --> 00:50:49,470
The court could also
ask for a new trial
898
00:50:49,553 --> 00:50:52,178
or leave Kelley's
previous conviction.
899
00:50:55,053 --> 00:50:56,553
I deserve to go home
to my family.
900
00:50:58,136 --> 00:50:59,720
I've been through a lot
and so has my family.
901
00:50:59,804 --> 00:51:02,428
I'm not the only one
doing 25 years, man.
902
00:51:05,470 --> 00:51:06,095
Yeah.
903
00:51:12,011 --> 00:51:12,929
We begin tonight
with breaking news
904
00:51:13,011 --> 00:51:15,345
in a controversial
Cedar Park case.
905
00:51:15,428 --> 00:51:17,512
New evidence is emerging,
broadening the lens
906
00:51:17,595 --> 00:51:19,136
around Greg Kelley.
907
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:20,679
Now we are learning new
information from the
908
00:51:20,762 --> 00:51:23,595
Texas Ranger's investigation
that keeps him as an
909
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:27,512
active suspect in this child
sex assault investigation.
910
00:51:27,595 --> 00:51:29,845
[male reporter] This latest
evidence contradicts some
911
00:51:29,929 --> 00:51:33,303
of Kelley's claims that he's
made since the beginning,
912
00:51:33,387 --> 00:51:35,720
when this whole thing arose
several years ago.
913
00:51:35,804 --> 00:51:40,845
It was made public that
the Texas Ranger filed
914
00:51:40,929 --> 00:51:45,053
three search warrant affidavits
and got three search warrants,
915
00:51:45,136 --> 00:51:48,095
one for Johnathan McCarty's
phone, uh,
916
00:51:48,178 --> 00:51:50,720
and two for Greg's phone.
917
00:51:50,804 --> 00:51:52,804
[female reporter] According to
the newest search warrants,
918
00:51:52,887 --> 00:51:54,887
Kelley's phone showed that
he spent an increasing
919
00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:58,220
amount of time on pornographic
Web sites around the
920
00:51:58,303 --> 00:52:00,345
time of the four-year-old
boy's assault.
921
00:52:00,428 --> 00:52:03,053
The warrant says that increase
"marked the beginning of a
922
00:52:03,136 --> 00:52:04,804
change in Kelley's
normal habits
923
00:52:04,887 --> 00:52:06,553
and sexual interests."
924
00:52:06,637 --> 00:52:11,095
The Ranger releases this
at a point in time
925
00:52:11,178 --> 00:52:14,095
that he knows is quite delicate.
926
00:52:14,178 --> 00:52:17,720
And it feels an awful
lot like sabotage
927
00:52:17,804 --> 00:52:19,553
and spitefulness, actually.
928
00:52:19,637 --> 00:52:22,303
The arrest warrant
affidavit is written
929
00:52:22,387 --> 00:52:24,762
in an extremely odd way,
930
00:52:24,845 --> 00:52:26,261
and it is very accusatory.
931
00:52:26,345 --> 00:52:28,220
It-it-- he builds it up:
932
00:52:28,303 --> 00:52:31,762
Greg's got an addiction
to pornography.
933
00:52:31,845 --> 00:52:33,553
[female reporter] Texas Ranger
Cody Mitchell believes to
934
00:52:33,637 --> 00:52:37,261
a high degree of probability
that during the 2013 to 2014
935
00:52:37,345 --> 00:52:39,720
time period, Kelley was
displaying undeniable
936
00:52:39,804 --> 00:52:44,178
indicators of being a sexually
motivated high-risk threat.
937
00:52:44,261 --> 00:52:46,595
The Ranger had found deleted
texts indicating Kelley had
938
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:48,720
spent hours alone
with the children
939
00:52:48,804 --> 00:52:50,136
in the at-home daycare,
940
00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:53,303
even taking a selfie
with the victim.
941
00:52:53,387 --> 00:52:55,762
The search warrant also shows
that Kelley was a member
942
00:52:55,845 --> 00:52:58,387
of the Web site Adult Friend
Finder and had several
943
00:52:58,470 --> 00:53:01,220
different profiles under
his name to met with
944
00:53:01,303 --> 00:53:03,720
people in his area for
intimate contact.
945
00:53:04,553 --> 00:53:06,470
I don't know how it
got released.
946
00:53:06,553 --> 00:53:09,470
I was told that
Johnathan McCarty's lawyers
947
00:53:09,553 --> 00:53:11,720
were asking about the
search warrants before
948
00:53:11,804 --> 00:53:14,470
they were even filed.
949
00:53:14,553 --> 00:53:16,053
So, which is interesting,
because I didn't know about
950
00:53:16,136 --> 00:53:17,804
them before they were filed.
951
00:53:17,887 --> 00:53:20,720
It's-- obviously somebody
released that information, uh,
952
00:53:20,804 --> 00:53:23,720
to at least Johnathan McCarty's
team and-and "The Statesman".
953
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:30,512
Before-before it was public,
yes.
954
00:53:30,595 --> 00:53:31,345
[Pat] Wow.
955
00:53:40,053 --> 00:53:42,512
I just-- I'd prefer not to
talk about it right now.
956
00:53:43,887 --> 00:53:47,136
First of all, only about
maybe five percent of that
957
00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:49,178
is true regarding the
pornography.
958
00:53:49,261 --> 00:53:50,845
I have watched pornography.
959
00:53:50,929 --> 00:53:52,845
Everything else is completely
fr-- fabricated
960
00:53:52,929 --> 00:53:54,887
and it's opinionated.
961
00:53:55,595 --> 00:54:00,845
He's saying that I have been
a member of a site called
962
00:54:00,929 --> 00:54:04,178
adultfriendfinder.com.
963
00:54:04,261 --> 00:54:06,345
I was never a
member of that site.
964
00:54:06,428 --> 00:54:08,637
I've never used my e-mails
to get into that site.
965
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:13,720
I've never searched or even
journeyed at that site.
966
00:54:13,804 --> 00:54:18,178
And I don't know where he would
get the idea where I have.
967
00:54:20,845 --> 00:54:21,762
Never.
968
00:54:22,887 --> 00:54:24,553
Never.
969
00:54:24,804 --> 00:54:26,804
I've never met with
anybody online.
970
00:54:28,512 --> 00:54:29,595
Well, they built--
they've-they've built him up
971
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,887
to be angelic, uh, y- you know.
972
00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:35,303
And there's no way in the
world that this guy
973
00:54:35,387 --> 00:54:36,553
could do anything wrong.
974
00:54:36,637 --> 00:54:39,095
And then you fast forward
to the s-- uh,
975
00:54:39,178 --> 00:54:41,679
the search warrants conducted,
you know, by the Ranger.
976
00:54:41,762 --> 00:54:44,679
You start finding out things
about, you know, his extensive,
977
00:54:44,762 --> 00:54:48,178
uh, you know, porn history,
his Adult Friend Finder, uh,
978
00:54:48,261 --> 00:54:51,345
activity, you know, hooking up
for sexual encounters
979
00:54:51,428 --> 00:54:53,720
a-and those kinds of
dangerous behaviors.
980
00:54:53,804 --> 00:54:57,387
Uh, and-and you get a
different picture of
981
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:59,387
who they're advocating for.
982
00:54:59,470 --> 00:55:00,887
Go ahead, search my e-mails.
983
00:55:00,970 --> 00:55:01,887
I have nothing to hide.
984
00:55:01,970 --> 00:55:03,303
I've been totally
transparent with you
985
00:55:03,387 --> 00:55:05,345
and been honest with you
throughout this whole process
986
00:55:05,428 --> 00:55:09,345
because I believe if I go--
if-if I want to go home,
987
00:55:09,428 --> 00:55:10,845
I've got to cooperate.
988
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:12,428
Right?
989
00:55:15,845 --> 00:55:16,512
Uh, with what?
990
00:55:21,804 --> 00:55:23,136
I don't know what questions
he's taking about.
991
00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:25,261
I'd have to be shown them.
992
00:55:25,345 --> 00:55:27,011
[Pat] Yeah.
993
00:55:27,095 --> 00:55:29,845
Because I have admitted to him
that I've watched pornography.
994
00:55:29,929 --> 00:55:32,220
I've admitted to him that I've
worn the SpongeBob pajama pants
995
00:55:32,303 --> 00:55:34,553
once or twice.
996
00:55:34,637 --> 00:55:37,303
I don't know how I'm
being deceitful to him.
997
00:55:39,804 --> 00:55:40,679
No.
998
00:55:43,595 --> 00:55:44,345
Yeah.
999
00:55:45,762 --> 00:55:46,470
Yeah, I do.
1000
00:55:47,845 --> 00:55:50,553
Well, I've passed every
question but one.
1001
00:55:52,136 --> 00:55:55,470
Yeah, if I stuck my-my penis
in the kid's mouth.
1002
00:55:56,637 --> 00:55:58,261
He's saying I failed
one question over here.
1003
00:55:58,345 --> 00:55:59,804
And the three questions were:
1004
00:55:59,887 --> 00:56:02,595
did I stick my penis
in the kid's mouth,
1005
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:05,595
did I make a kid put
lotion on my penis,
1006
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:09,887
and am I being truthful
in these questions?
1007
00:56:09,970 --> 00:56:12,679
I passed am I being truthful
in these questions.
1008
00:56:12,762 --> 00:56:15,804
Did I stick-- did I make a kid
put lotion on my-my penis?
1009
00:56:15,887 --> 00:56:17,595
Passed that one.
1010
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:20,845
But I can't pass that I put
my penis in a kid's mouth.
1011
00:56:21,970 --> 00:56:25,345
Mr. Kelley has lied
about several things.
1012
00:56:25,428 --> 00:56:27,178
He's lied about wanting
to talk to the police
1013
00:56:27,261 --> 00:56:29,387
and that we just
wouldn't talk to him.
1014
00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:32,595
He lied about being a
Marine in Afghanistan,
1015
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:35,178
you know, at-at a gym,
this guy.
1016
00:56:35,261 --> 00:56:38,762
He is challenged with the truth.
1017
00:56:49,136 --> 00:56:51,553
I believe everything I've said
just defended myself.
1018
00:56:57,053 --> 00:56:58,720
I don't know.
1019
00:56:59,804 --> 00:57:01,428
I hope not.
1020
00:57:05,387 --> 00:57:08,053
Um, you know, I-I think I-I've
vacillated back and forth
1021
00:57:08,136 --> 00:57:09,679
through my investigation.
1022
00:57:09,762 --> 00:57:12,720
I think initially I was pretty
convinced of his innocence.
1023
00:57:12,804 --> 00:57:15,970
Um, I think there have been
parts of the investigation
1024
00:57:16,053 --> 00:57:18,637
that I have started to
think he's guilty.
1025
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,512
And now I hate to say this,
but I-I just--
1026
00:57:21,595 --> 00:57:23,720
I wouldn't be surprised
either way.
1027
00:57:23,804 --> 00:57:26,929
And, um, that's the hardest
thing, is I-I wish I knew.
1028
00:57:27,011 --> 00:57:29,929
And, you know, do I think
that Johnathan McCarty
1029
00:57:30,011 --> 00:57:31,136
is a more likely suspect?
1030
00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:33,762
I mean I've kind of
thought that all along.
1031
00:57:33,845 --> 00:57:37,512
Um, so it's just that's
what's so troubling this,
1032
00:57:37,595 --> 00:57:39,804
is I just don't know the answer.
1033
00:57:43,470 --> 00:57:44,804
Well, hello, fighters.
1034
00:57:44,887 --> 00:57:46,887
I want to let everybody know
that, uh, what I've got
1035
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:51,970
in my hands right here is
the signed bond paperwork
1036
00:57:52,053 --> 00:57:53,428
for Greg Kelley.
1037
00:57:53,512 --> 00:57:55,470
Guys, Greg's coming home today.
1038
00:57:56,053 --> 00:57:57,011
Today's a big day.
1039
00:57:57,095 --> 00:57:58,470
Let's go celebrate.
1040
00:57:59,470 --> 00:58:03,261
I'd like to believe-- you know,
I'm-I'm agreeing to a bond.
1041
00:58:03,345 --> 00:58:04,595
I'm agreeing to his release.
1042
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:06,553
I'd like to believe that he's
not responsible for this
1043
00:58:06,637 --> 00:58:09,845
offense, uh, because it's easier
for me to sleep at night
1044
00:58:09,929 --> 00:58:11,303
to think, okay, I just
released somebody that's
1045
00:58:11,387 --> 00:58:13,720
not responsible for
the offense.
1046
00:58:13,804 --> 00:58:15,970
But I also know, like I said,
my job is to see that
1047
00:58:16,053 --> 00:58:17,095
justice is done.
1048
00:58:17,178 --> 00:58:19,095
And justice means not taking
the chance that we
1049
00:58:19,178 --> 00:58:20,470
convict an innocent person.
1050
00:58:20,553 --> 00:58:22,345
So I just have to
live with that.
1051
00:58:24,178 --> 00:58:29,387
[indistinct chatter]
1052
00:58:29,470 --> 00:58:34,428
[crowd cheering]
1053
00:58:34,512 --> 00:58:35,595
[Gaebri] I love you.
1054
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,303
I love you, I love you.
1055
00:58:37,387 --> 00:58:42,887
[sobbing]
1056
00:58:45,387 --> 00:58:46,261
I love you.
1057
00:58:46,345 --> 00:58:47,387
I love you too.
1058
00:58:47,470 --> 00:58:54,136
[soft dramatic music]
1059
00:58:54,220 --> 00:59:04,095
♪
1060
00:59:04,178 --> 00:59:14,136
♪
1061
00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:21,762
♪
1062
00:59:25,387 --> 00:59:26,929
[male reporter] Greg,
what do you have to say
1063
00:59:27,011 --> 00:59:28,970
about this moment and all these
people that are here right now?
1064
00:59:29,053 --> 00:59:32,178
I'm so grateful to
finally be out.
1065
00:59:32,261 --> 00:59:34,720
I've been waiting for
this day a long time.
1066
00:59:34,804 --> 00:59:36,095
[female reporter] ...getting
Greg Kelley's reaction.
1067
00:59:36,178 --> 00:59:37,553
It's so surreal right now.
1068
00:59:37,637 --> 00:59:40,428
I-I couldn't process this.
1069
00:59:41,178 --> 00:59:42,637
It's been, uh--
1070
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,804
it's had its ups and downs
for the past three years.
1071
00:59:44,887 --> 00:59:46,553
And it's a new beginning for me.
1072
00:59:46,637 --> 00:59:48,845
Um, I know it's not over yet.
1073
00:59:48,929 --> 00:59:50,512
But, uh, we're going to
continue fighting
1074
00:59:50,595 --> 00:59:52,637
and the truth will prevail.
1075
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,720
And, um, I just thank
the-the DA's Office
1076
00:59:56,804 --> 01:00:00,720
and the judge to give me
an open mind to, uh,
1077
01:00:00,804 --> 01:00:03,887
allow me to finally
come home to my family.
1078
01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:07,053
And, uh, I just want to go home.
1079
01:00:07,136 --> 01:00:08,929
[male reporter] What do you say
to the parents of the children
1080
01:00:09,011 --> 01:00:12,261
that feel like today is
not a good day for them?
1081
01:00:12,345 --> 01:00:13,512
What do you say to them?
1082
01:00:13,595 --> 01:00:14,887
I say that, uh,
1083
01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:18,387
I'm sorry but I didn't do
that to your child.
1084
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:21,345
Um, some day I hope I-I can
meet you and I can explain
1085
01:00:21,428 --> 01:00:23,762
to you that it wasn't me.
1086
01:00:23,845 --> 01:00:27,970
Um, I just hope that, uh,
1087
01:00:28,053 --> 01:00:30,220
you can have peace
in this moment.
1088
01:00:30,303 --> 01:00:38,178
[soft dramatic music]
1089
01:00:38,261 --> 01:00:38,970
You're sweating.
1090
01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:41,261
Aww.
1091
01:00:46,303 --> 01:00:49,178
You're just overwhelmed
with everything?
1092
01:00:49,762 --> 01:00:51,762
I can't even imagine
what you're feeling.
1093
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:54,845
We're getting real close.
1094
01:00:54,929 --> 01:00:57,095
You're with your family.
1095
01:00:57,178 --> 01:00:58,428
Everyone loves you.
1096
01:00:58,512 --> 01:00:59,762
It's hot out here today.
1097
01:00:59,845 --> 01:01:02,053
- That black shirt!
- Need some ventilation.
1098
01:01:02,136 --> 01:01:03,637
I haven't been outside
in a while.
1099
01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:05,178
[Gaebri] Okay.
1100
01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:09,679
[Jake] Let's get the hell out
of Williamson County boys.
1101
01:01:11,345 --> 01:01:20,136
[soft dramatic music]
1102
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:21,011
[man] Whoo!
1103
01:01:21,095 --> 01:01:22,220
There he is!
1104
01:01:22,303 --> 01:01:23,470
[man] Yeah.
1105
01:01:23,553 --> 01:01:24,970
[reporter] Convicted child
sex offender Greg Kelley
1106
01:01:25,053 --> 01:01:27,428
walked out of jail
on bond today--
1107
01:01:27,512 --> 01:01:28,720
[man] Yes, he did.
1108
01:01:28,804 --> 01:01:29,929
[reporter] after three years
behind bars.
1109
01:01:30,011 --> 01:01:33,220
Kelley was sentenced to 25 years
in prison after a jury
1110
01:01:33,303 --> 01:01:37,804
found him guilty of committing
lewd acts with a child in 2014.
1111
01:01:37,887 --> 01:01:41,637
But his lawyer filed a Writ of
Habeas Corpus this spring
1112
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,303
to bring new evidence
before a judge.
1113
01:01:44,387 --> 01:01:45,553
It's so surreal right now.
1114
01:01:45,637 --> 01:01:48,512
I-I couldn't process this.
1115
01:01:48,595 --> 01:01:50,178
It's been, uh--
1116
01:01:50,261 --> 01:01:52,512
it's had its ups and downs
for the past three years.
1117
01:01:52,595 --> 01:01:54,512
And it's a new beginning for me.
1118
01:01:54,595 --> 01:01:56,804
Um, I know it's not over yet.
1119
01:01:56,887 --> 01:01:58,303
But, uh, we're going to
continue fighting and
1120
01:01:58,387 --> 01:02:00,053
the truth will prevail.
1121
01:02:00,136 --> 01:02:03,970
And, um, I just thank
the-the DA's Office
1122
01:02:04,053 --> 01:02:08,762
and the judge to give me
an open mind to, uh,
1123
01:02:08,845 --> 01:02:11,679
allow me to finally come
home to my family.
1124
01:02:11,762 --> 01:02:14,261
And, uh, I just want to go home.
1125
01:02:16,553 --> 01:02:18,303
Welcome home, buddy.
1126
01:02:18,387 --> 01:02:19,303
[woman] Whoo!
1127
01:02:19,387 --> 01:02:21,428
[applause]
1128
01:02:21,512 --> 01:02:25,136
[soft dramatic music]
1129
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:26,929
[splash]
1130
01:02:28,512 --> 01:02:29,095
[woman] Are you good?
1131
01:02:29,178 --> 01:02:29,887
I'm good.
1132
01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:31,261
[man] How's that freedom feel?
1133
01:02:31,345 --> 01:02:35,178
[soft dramatic music]
1134
01:02:35,261 --> 01:02:37,345
[cheering]
1135
01:02:37,428 --> 01:02:44,345
[soft dramatic music]
1136
01:02:44,428 --> 01:02:45,970
That is unbelievable.
1137
01:02:46,053 --> 01:02:48,261
I've never seen somebody
do it on their first time.
1138
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:51,595
Whooo!
1139
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:53,720
[cheers]
1140
01:02:53,804 --> 01:02:56,387
[soft dramatic music]
1141
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:57,512
Fight for Greg Kelley.
1142
01:02:57,595 --> 01:03:09,720
[cheering]
1143
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,387
[Keith] I'm not going
to be smiling.
1144
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:16,053
You know, with him walking out,
he could be told by the
1145
01:03:16,136 --> 01:03:19,637
Court of Criminal Appeals:
go right back into prison.
1146
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:21,637
It's not over.
1147
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,303
It's not over until
the CCA says it.
1148
01:03:25,428 --> 01:03:28,011
It's terrifying.
1149
01:03:35,553 --> 01:03:44,261
♪ dramatic music ♪
1150
01:03:44,345 --> 01:03:53,261
♪
1151
01:03:53,345 --> 01:03:57,762
♪
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