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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,970 Greg is an amazing young man, 2 00:00:08,053 --> 00:00:11,345 um, and I'm sure me saying that will anger a lot of people 3 00:00:11,428 --> 00:00:14,303 because a lot of people believe that he is a child molester. 4 00:00:16,220 --> 00:00:18,679 His trial counsel came to me: 5 00:00:18,762 --> 00:00:19,637 "Do what you can. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,053 Fix this." 7 00:00:21,136 --> 00:00:23,470 The Greg Kelley case is being reexamined. 8 00:00:23,553 --> 00:00:25,178 [Keith] Where does the evidence lead me? 9 00:00:25,261 --> 00:00:27,220 You really have to look at how the child was interviewed. 10 00:00:33,136 --> 00:00:34,303 It's certainly concerning that a detective 11 00:00:34,387 --> 00:00:37,011 would mention the name of another suspect, 12 00:00:37,095 --> 00:00:39,720 but not do any investigation into that. 13 00:00:39,804 --> 00:00:40,720 He did nothing. 14 00:00:40,804 --> 00:00:42,053 It's stunning. 15 00:00:45,887 --> 00:00:47,595 [Keith] There's only one teenage boy in the household 16 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:49,136 on the date they say it happened. 17 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:50,345 [female reporter] Johnathan McCarty is 18 00:00:50,428 --> 00:00:52,470 a person of interest in this case. 19 00:00:52,553 --> 00:00:54,970 When it's your best friend, it hurts even more. 20 00:00:55,053 --> 00:00:57,053 This was a very fair trial. 21 00:00:57,136 --> 00:00:58,929 This was a very fair process. 22 00:00:59,011 --> 00:01:00,679 They thought they had their guy. 23 00:01:00,762 --> 00:01:03,553 And they weren't curious in hearing any other stories. 24 00:01:03,637 --> 00:01:06,345 No, Mr. Kelley was the only person ever accused of a crime. 25 00:01:06,428 --> 00:01:09,011 This hearing is his one and only shot. 26 00:01:16,095 --> 00:01:17,929 I don't know. 27 00:01:20,512 --> 00:01:28,178 [somber music] 28 00:01:33,804 --> 00:01:35,845 ...in investigations when 29 00:01:35,970 --> 00:01:38,512 children victims are involved. 30 00:01:38,595 --> 00:01:40,470 And I just kind of want to continue on that a little bit. 31 00:01:45,553 --> 00:01:46,470 Yes. 32 00:01:53,637 --> 00:01:54,387 Yes, Sir. 33 00:02:03,929 --> 00:02:05,261 Successful prosecution. 34 00:02:08,512 --> 00:02:10,178 To me, the goal is pretty simple: 35 00:02:10,261 --> 00:02:12,720 it's to seek the truth, to find out the truth. 36 00:02:12,804 --> 00:02:15,553 I heard that there were audible gasps coming from the-- 37 00:02:15,637 --> 00:02:17,887 from the crowd that listened to Detective Dailey's testimony 38 00:02:17,970 --> 00:02:19,428 during that statement. 39 00:02:25,845 --> 00:02:28,011 Oh, I think the ultimate goal in any police investigation 40 00:02:28,095 --> 00:02:30,679 is to uncover the truth and seek justice. 41 00:02:50,220 --> 00:02:51,929 No, I would say that, uh, 42 00:02:52,011 --> 00:02:54,136 I dis-- I disagree with his answer. 43 00:03:00,553 --> 00:03:01,220 Yes, Sir. 44 00:03:08,387 --> 00:03:09,303 Yes, Sir. 45 00:03:15,553 --> 00:03:17,053 Yes, Sir. 46 00:03:26,887 --> 00:03:28,970 Finding all the facts. 47 00:03:29,053 --> 00:03:38,804 ♪ theme music ♪ 48 00:03:38,887 --> 00:03:48,845 ♪ 49 00:03:48,929 --> 00:03:58,845 ♪ 50 00:03:58,929 --> 00:04:08,804 ♪ 51 00:04:08,887 --> 00:04:17,512 ♪ 52 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,178 So this entire case to me, is full of tunnel vision, 53 00:04:22,261 --> 00:04:23,929 what I would call tunnel vision. 54 00:04:24,762 --> 00:04:26,345 If you were to ask Detective Dailey, he's still convinced 55 00:04:26,428 --> 00:04:28,053 he definitely has the right guy. 56 00:04:28,637 --> 00:04:30,637 And he's convinced that he believes the child. 57 00:04:36,512 --> 00:04:37,261 Correct. 58 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:43,428 Correct. 59 00:05:01,261 --> 00:05:02,220 Well, Sir, there was no other victims 60 00:05:02,303 --> 00:05:04,261 and no other suspects. 61 00:05:04,345 --> 00:05:06,679 So there was no other people to look into. 62 00:05:09,470 --> 00:05:10,178 No, Sir. 63 00:05:10,261 --> 00:05:11,178 [Rene] Okay. 64 00:05:13,011 --> 00:05:15,178 Because they named Greg Kelley as a suspect. 65 00:05:18,929 --> 00:05:20,053 The first one named Greg. 66 00:05:20,136 --> 00:05:21,970 The other one said Greg as well, I believe. 67 00:05:22,053 --> 00:05:23,095 And Greg was the onl-- 68 00:05:23,178 --> 00:05:24,470 Greg Kelley was the only Greg in the house. 69 00:05:27,178 --> 00:05:27,845 Yes, Sir. 70 00:05:31,553 --> 00:05:32,679 No, Sir. 71 00:05:34,470 --> 00:05:37,053 Well, in this particular case there was, uh, 72 00:05:37,136 --> 00:05:40,011 two children, both saying that the same person, uh, you know, 73 00:05:40,095 --> 00:05:41,720 committed a crime against them. 74 00:05:41,804 --> 00:05:44,387 Uh, I'm not aware of the child ever saying that Johnathan 75 00:05:44,470 --> 00:05:47,303 actually did anything, uh, to the child 76 00:05:47,387 --> 00:05:48,679 or to either one of the children. 77 00:05:48,762 --> 00:05:53,136 So the investigation stayed focused on, uh, Mr. Kelley. 78 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:55,929 They identified him by name and he was the only Greg, 79 00:05:56,011 --> 00:05:57,553 uh, in the house. 80 00:05:59,095 --> 00:06:00,345 [Greg] When Chris Dailey took the stand, 81 00:06:00,428 --> 00:06:01,887 I couldn't bear to look at him. 82 00:06:03,345 --> 00:06:05,970 I just closed my eyes and just prayed, 83 00:06:06,053 --> 00:06:08,387 because I-I, uh, 84 00:06:08,470 --> 00:06:11,345 I've never been this angry in my whole life. 85 00:06:11,428 --> 00:06:14,470 And, uh, I don't know how to deal with it. 86 00:06:14,553 --> 00:06:17,387 So, um, all I do is pray. 87 00:06:21,804 --> 00:06:22,887 Yes, Sir. 88 00:06:29,762 --> 00:06:30,929 Yes, Sir. 89 00:06:32,637 --> 00:06:34,595 To still look on that investigation and call it 90 00:06:34,679 --> 00:06:38,845 a thorough investigation was really hard to believe, 91 00:06:38,929 --> 00:06:40,720 particularly when you're investigating a case that you 92 00:06:40,804 --> 00:06:43,845 want to put someone in prison for 25 years as a minimum 93 00:06:43,929 --> 00:06:46,261 with no parole 94 00:06:46,345 --> 00:06:49,178 and the only testimony you've got is a four-year-old. 95 00:06:49,261 --> 00:06:51,470 You'd better make sure that's a really strong case. 96 00:06:51,553 --> 00:06:55,428 And to let other people do investigations, 97 00:06:55,512 --> 00:06:57,387 to sit back and just listen to everyone else 98 00:06:57,470 --> 00:07:00,762 and make assumptions, it's frightening. 99 00:07:01,762 --> 00:07:05,887 [Keith] In Greg's case, I think that it was a case where 100 00:07:05,970 --> 00:07:12,053 the lack of investigation was skewed from the beginning. 101 00:07:12,136 --> 00:07:16,929 It's fairly clear to me that-that Dailey had already 102 00:07:17,011 --> 00:07:22,220 firmed up in his mind that he has a really ugly child molester 103 00:07:22,303 --> 00:07:24,387 and he's going to get him. 104 00:07:24,470 --> 00:07:27,470 He's going to do it one way or the other. 105 00:07:35,553 --> 00:07:38,428 If I remember correctly, um, 106 00:07:38,512 --> 00:07:41,178 we did a media release asking if anybody had any concerns 107 00:07:41,261 --> 00:07:42,220 in reference to their children 108 00:07:42,303 --> 00:07:44,470 to contact the police department. 109 00:07:48,887 --> 00:07:51,929 We had a press conference to announce first of all, uh, 110 00:07:52,011 --> 00:07:55,136 that, uh, an arrest had been made because there was media, 111 00:07:55,220 --> 00:07:57,845 uh, interest in this particular, uh, case. 112 00:07:57,929 --> 00:08:00,929 We put out there that if anybody else had children 113 00:08:01,011 --> 00:08:04,345 that may have been exposed to Mr. Kelley, uh, you know, 114 00:08:04,428 --> 00:08:07,095 to contact us if there was any, uh-- 115 00:08:07,178 --> 00:08:09,595 the thought that something may have happened to their child. 116 00:08:09,679 --> 00:08:12,011 And that's when a second victim came forward. 117 00:08:12,095 --> 00:08:16,470 The Chief of Police either is not telling the truth 118 00:08:16,553 --> 00:08:19,679 or he is ignorant of what actually happened 119 00:08:19,762 --> 00:08:21,428 regarding that second child. 120 00:08:27,845 --> 00:08:28,595 No. 121 00:08:33,595 --> 00:08:35,804 I believe I contacted him. 122 00:08:35,887 --> 00:08:39,720 [Keith] After the press conference and-and asking 123 00:08:39,804 --> 00:08:43,178 for people to come forward, four days passed. 124 00:08:43,261 --> 00:08:45,136 Nothing: they've got nothing. 125 00:08:45,220 --> 00:08:47,470 Nobody is coming forward. 126 00:08:47,553 --> 00:08:50,512 So Detective Dailey, for whatever reason, 127 00:08:50,595 --> 00:08:54,053 targets this second child's parents. 128 00:08:54,136 --> 00:08:57,512 Dailey cold-calls him and tells the father, 129 00:08:57,595 --> 00:09:00,637 "Greg Kelley has been arrested four days ago 130 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,762 for molesting children at the daycare center 131 00:09:02,845 --> 00:09:04,720 where you've been taking your son. 132 00:09:04,804 --> 00:09:07,679 We want to do an interview with him." 133 00:09:07,762 --> 00:09:10,679 And then they arrange an interview at the 134 00:09:10,762 --> 00:09:13,637 Child Advocacy Center, CAC. 135 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,762 But at that point in time, there has been no outcry. 136 00:09:18,845 --> 00:09:22,387 The seeds were planted when Dailey tells the father, 137 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:26,470 "We think Greg Kelley may have molested your child," 138 00:09:26,553 --> 00:09:29,553 and so that night, 139 00:09:29,637 --> 00:09:32,512 if it's to be believed, makes an outcry. 140 00:09:32,595 --> 00:09:34,387 So the sequence is: 141 00:09:34,470 --> 00:09:36,345 we've scheduled a CAC interview 142 00:09:36,428 --> 00:09:38,553 where there's been no outcry. 143 00:09:38,637 --> 00:09:40,679 Eight hours later, that evening, 144 00:09:40,762 --> 00:09:42,470 there's an outcry to the parents, 145 00:09:42,553 --> 00:09:47,053 right before that next day to take him to the CAC interview. 146 00:09:48,011 --> 00:09:52,512 They arrange a CAC interview the night before the child, 147 00:09:52,595 --> 00:09:57,136 by sheer, magical coincidence, makes an outcry. 148 00:09:58,470 --> 00:10:02,136 The second child's appearance in this picture 149 00:10:02,220 --> 00:10:05,053 is staged by Dailey. 150 00:10:05,136 --> 00:10:07,303 There's no reason to think anything happened 151 00:10:07,387 --> 00:10:09,095 to this second child. 152 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:13,512 Out of the blue, they have a child 153 00:10:13,595 --> 00:10:16,720 who has never outcried about anything 154 00:10:16,804 --> 00:10:21,387 and about anybody and arrange a CAC interview. 155 00:10:21,470 --> 00:10:23,595 You've never heard of that before. 156 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,095 The second child did not come forward. 157 00:10:26,178 --> 00:10:30,178 The second child's outcry was orchestrated 158 00:10:30,261 --> 00:10:32,720 by Detective Dailey. 159 00:10:35,053 --> 00:10:37,637 And this is where this case goes off the rails a little bit, 160 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,845 is there's a lot of folks out there that want to say that, 161 00:10:40,929 --> 00:10:45,303 uh, Detective Dailey owns the case cradle to grave, 162 00:10:45,387 --> 00:10:48,887 when in fact Detective Dailey owns the case up to the point 163 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:52,804 that probable cause is developed and a warrant is issued. 164 00:10:52,887 --> 00:10:56,762 The Prosecutor's Office guided Detective Dailey through 165 00:10:56,845 --> 00:11:00,095 the, uh, the rest of the process up to and including the trial 166 00:11:00,178 --> 00:11:01,845 in which Mr. Kelley was convicted. 167 00:11:12,095 --> 00:11:12,845 Correct. 168 00:11:19,053 --> 00:11:19,845 No. 169 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,720 Not in [bleep] case, no. 170 00:11:27,011 --> 00:11:29,470 I didn't present the-the case to them. 171 00:11:29,553 --> 00:11:32,303 I didn't bring over a case file and present it to them. 172 00:11:32,387 --> 00:11:35,637 Uh, after we, uh, interviewed him, I believe I did talk to, 173 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,804 uh, Mr. Puryear. 174 00:11:45,553 --> 00:11:47,136 Correct, I don't remember speaking to any other prosecutor 175 00:11:47,220 --> 00:11:50,011 other than Mr. Puryear about this case. 176 00:11:51,845 --> 00:11:54,470 After that, in walks a district court judge 177 00:11:54,553 --> 00:11:57,220 that the audience stands for. 178 00:11:57,303 --> 00:12:00,470 And so her credibility is instantly recognized 179 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:02,428 even by the audience. 180 00:12:02,512 --> 00:12:04,970 [female reporter] Judge Stacey Mathews also took the stand. 181 00:12:05,053 --> 00:12:07,011 She testified that she spoke with Dailey 182 00:12:07,095 --> 00:12:08,720 when she was a prosecutor in the 183 00:12:08,804 --> 00:12:11,553 Williamson County District Attorney's Office. 184 00:12:12,595 --> 00:12:15,220 [Keith] And the person that you talked to was Detective Dailey? 185 00:12:15,303 --> 00:12:16,762 [Judge Mathews] Yes. 186 00:12:16,845 --> 00:12:18,428 [Keith] Um, tell me what you can recall 187 00:12:18,512 --> 00:12:19,845 from that conversation. 188 00:12:19,929 --> 00:12:21,679 [Judge Mathews] So he asked me initially if I was aware 189 00:12:21,762 --> 00:12:23,428 of the Greg Kelley case. 190 00:12:23,512 --> 00:12:25,970 At that point I said, "I've heard of it 191 00:12:26,053 --> 00:12:27,887 but don't know a lot of details." 192 00:12:27,970 --> 00:12:32,470 Um, he said, "He's been charged on one child, 193 00:12:32,553 --> 00:12:34,845 uh, and we have a second child now that I would like 194 00:12:34,929 --> 00:12:36,345 to bring charges on. 195 00:12:36,428 --> 00:12:38,261 And I wanted to call to talk to somebody in the DA's Office 196 00:12:38,345 --> 00:12:41,345 to discuss whether or not we should file those charges." 197 00:12:41,428 --> 00:12:44,053 So I asked the standard questions: 198 00:12:44,136 --> 00:12:46,553 "Okay, did you take him to the CAC? 199 00:12:46,637 --> 00:12:48,053 Did he have an interview?" 200 00:12:48,136 --> 00:12:49,887 in which he told me, "Yes, we did a CAC interview. 201 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:52,220 He did not give an outcry." 202 00:12:52,303 --> 00:12:54,887 And then we-- I remember him saying that they were-- 203 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:56,762 "We took him back and had a second interview done, 204 00:12:56,845 --> 00:12:59,053 which there was also not an outcry." 205 00:12:59,136 --> 00:13:01,345 And then he told me that he interviewed the child, 206 00:13:01,428 --> 00:13:04,887 um, and that the child did not tell him anything. 207 00:13:04,970 --> 00:13:06,553 I said, "With what you're relaying to me, 208 00:13:06,637 --> 00:13:09,553 I would not be comfortable telling you to file charges." 209 00:13:09,637 --> 00:13:12,887 And he said, "Well, it'll strengthen the case agai- 210 00:13:12,970 --> 00:13:15,970 against the first child." 211 00:13:16,053 --> 00:13:19,970 I advised him not to file charges at that point. 212 00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:28,970 Yes. 213 00:13:35,637 --> 00:13:37,011 No. 214 00:13:38,303 --> 00:13:40,345 [Shawn] It was a very dramatic moment of the hearing. 215 00:13:40,428 --> 00:13:44,595 I expected Detective Dailey to admit that he had a conversation 216 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:45,637 with Judge Mathews. 217 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,095 It wasn't that. 218 00:13:47,178 --> 00:13:48,220 It was: "I don't even know who you're talking about, 219 00:13:48,303 --> 00:13:49,512 'Judge Mathews'. 220 00:13:49,595 --> 00:13:50,845 I've never talked to any other prosecutor." 221 00:13:57,970 --> 00:13:59,345 Yes, I don't know why that-- 222 00:13:59,428 --> 00:14:01,178 why that would be unfair to call it corruption. 223 00:14:02,970 --> 00:14:05,428 [Keith] There's been an outcry in Leander, Texas. 224 00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:08,804 Everyone's saying, "You've got the wrong guy." 225 00:14:08,887 --> 00:14:11,637 But now, they've got an easy reply. 226 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,428 There's not one; there's two kids now. 227 00:14:15,512 --> 00:14:19,679 That second one really strengthened themselves 228 00:14:19,762 --> 00:14:21,553 in the court of public opinion 229 00:14:21,637 --> 00:14:24,887 and their case at trial. 230 00:14:26,387 --> 00:14:29,470 [Sean] I have found no policy violation and no violation 231 00:14:29,553 --> 00:14:32,053 of law on the part of Detective Dailey. 232 00:14:32,136 --> 00:14:35,387 And there is no, uh, action to be taken against him. 233 00:14:35,470 --> 00:14:37,387 I've never woken up in the morning and wondered: 234 00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:39,053 did we get the wrong guy? 235 00:14:41,136 --> 00:14:43,804 Detective Dailey continues being a valued member 236 00:14:43,887 --> 00:14:45,845 of the-the Cedar Park Police Department, 237 00:14:45,929 --> 00:14:48,220 and I've not lost confidence in him. 238 00:14:48,303 --> 00:14:49,845 [Keith] His boss promoted him. 239 00:14:49,929 --> 00:14:53,512 He's now the sergeant over about 10 detectives. 240 00:14:57,261 --> 00:14:58,762 [Jake Brydon] I mean, come on. 241 00:14:58,845 --> 00:15:00,178 You know, we have to be honest with ourselves about what 242 00:15:00,261 --> 00:15:02,387 we expect from-from these types of people. 243 00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:04,178 I wouldn't let them run a lawn-mowing service, 244 00:15:04,261 --> 00:15:06,929 much less run the entire Cedar Park Police Department. 245 00:15:08,095 --> 00:15:08,804 Hi. 246 00:15:08,887 --> 00:15:10,387 If anybody does interviews-- 247 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:11,136 [woman] Oh, my God. 248 00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:13,595 Chris Dailey, Chris Dailey, 249 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:15,470 Chris Dailey, Chris Dailey. 250 00:15:15,553 --> 00:15:17,345 We need to call in the Mayor to fire the son of a bitch 251 00:15:17,428 --> 00:15:18,679 right now... 252 00:15:18,762 --> 00:15:20,303 period, end of story. 253 00:15:20,387 --> 00:15:22,178 And if he doesn't, we'll find a new mayor. 254 00:15:22,261 --> 00:15:24,387 I'm done talking to Sean Mannix. 255 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:25,679 Both of them gotta go. 256 00:15:25,762 --> 00:15:27,553 Immediately. 257 00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:30,178 We're going to stand up together and we're going to 258 00:15:30,261 --> 00:15:33,387 fight like hell and make sure that justice is served 259 00:15:33,470 --> 00:15:34,387 in Williamson County. 260 00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:35,303 Thank you. 261 00:15:38,595 --> 00:15:39,887 [Keith] It went very well. 262 00:15:39,970 --> 00:15:46,470 S-some very tricky things have, were laid, uh, and... 263 00:15:46,553 --> 00:15:49,720 you don't know how that's really going to turn out. 264 00:15:49,804 --> 00:15:53,387 And, it has turned out 265 00:15:53,470 --> 00:15:55,261 almost perfectly. 266 00:15:56,804 --> 00:15:59,595 And if tomorrow goes this well, 267 00:15:59,679 --> 00:16:02,053 I'm going to feel really good about the outcome. 268 00:16:02,970 --> 00:16:07,220 But I-I'm about to face, uh, 269 00:16:07,303 --> 00:16:10,387 two more professional witnesses 270 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:12,345 who are sophisticated 271 00:16:12,428 --> 00:16:14,345 and... 272 00:16:14,428 --> 00:16:16,178 hostile. 273 00:16:17,345 --> 00:16:19,261 [female reporter] More questions and concerns 274 00:16:19,345 --> 00:16:22,136 surround the justice system in Williamson County. 275 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:23,970 [male reporter] Right now, Greg Kelley is fighting 276 00:16:24,053 --> 00:16:25,845 to have his conviction overturned. 277 00:16:25,929 --> 00:16:28,929 He was sentenced to 25 years in prison for sexually assaulting 278 00:16:29,011 --> 00:16:30,595 a child three years ago. 279 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:33,428 But now, the focus is on an attorney who defended him 280 00:16:33,512 --> 00:16:36,095 back in 2014. 281 00:16:36,178 --> 00:16:37,929 [Patricia] I'm questioning everything I did. 282 00:16:38,011 --> 00:16:40,095 Can't sleep at night, wondering: 283 00:16:40,178 --> 00:16:43,637 my gosh, what if I had just said this? 284 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,428 What if I had done that? 285 00:16:45,512 --> 00:16:50,595 Um, and that's just part of the job. 286 00:16:50,845 --> 00:16:52,762 Um, I do know, 287 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:56,220 even though I'll question that forever... 288 00:16:57,345 --> 00:17:00,762 I do know that, in my heart, 289 00:17:00,845 --> 00:17:02,804 I did everything I could. 290 00:17:02,887 --> 00:17:05,970 Whether or not I did it right, 291 00:17:06,053 --> 00:17:07,345 is a different issue. 292 00:17:09,387 --> 00:17:10,804 [Court Clerk] All rise, please. 293 00:17:10,887 --> 00:17:12,845 26th District Court in Williamson County in Texas 294 00:17:12,929 --> 00:17:14,303 is now in session, 295 00:17:14,387 --> 00:17:15,970 the Honorable Donna King residing. 296 00:17:16,053 --> 00:17:17,553 [Judge King] Good morning, be seated. 297 00:17:23,428 --> 00:17:25,804 Ladies and Gentlemen, I feel that we owe you an explanation 298 00:17:25,887 --> 00:17:29,136 this morning of our delay. 299 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:32,387 So I was really looking forward to the day that 300 00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:34,679 Ms. Cummings was going to testify. 301 00:17:34,762 --> 00:17:37,011 So it was a real surprise to us when we show up 302 00:17:37,095 --> 00:17:39,261 for day two of the hearing, we're ready to go, 303 00:17:39,345 --> 00:17:41,637 we have all our questions ready to ask her, 304 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,178 and we walk in the back and are informed that 305 00:17:44,261 --> 00:17:46,345 Ms. Cummings has already been in the back for-- 306 00:17:46,428 --> 00:17:48,387 I don't know if it's 30 minutes or an hour. 307 00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:50,553 And we're just told there's an ex parte hearing going on 308 00:17:50,637 --> 00:17:52,303 and we're not allowed to be present. 309 00:17:52,387 --> 00:17:54,512 So I was frustrated because I'm thinking: 310 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:56,720 what in the world could have come up overnight? 311 00:17:56,804 --> 00:17:58,303 She hasn't mentioned a thing. 312 00:17:58,387 --> 00:18:01,178 She's known she was going to testify for months now. 313 00:18:01,261 --> 00:18:03,929 So what in the world happened at 8:30 in the morning 314 00:18:04,011 --> 00:18:06,011 before she testifies that she's got to have some kind of 315 00:18:06,095 --> 00:18:08,387 hearing with the judge? 316 00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:11,428 Because an ineffectiveness claim's been lodged against her, 317 00:18:11,512 --> 00:18:13,261 she's pretty defensive about it. 318 00:18:13,345 --> 00:18:15,387 She shows up that morning. 319 00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:19,011 She's lawyered up and she's got an affidavit 320 00:18:19,095 --> 00:18:22,387 that's way outside the zone of the attorney-client privilege, 321 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:23,512 for one thing. 322 00:18:23,595 --> 00:18:28,637 And what she's basically doing is describing Greg 323 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,512 as a bad client, 324 00:18:31,595 --> 00:18:33,679 someone who just might be guilty. 325 00:18:33,762 --> 00:18:35,053 She doesn't know. 326 00:18:35,136 --> 00:18:37,887 She was going to say, "I repeatedly asked Greg for stuff 327 00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:38,929 and he wouldn't give it to me. 328 00:18:39,011 --> 00:18:40,261 He was too quiet. 329 00:18:40,345 --> 00:18:42,887 I didn't get enough information from him." 330 00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:45,387 The affidavit was the threat, 331 00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:47,220 and that was not lost on me: 332 00:18:47,303 --> 00:18:48,887 this is what I'm going to do, 333 00:18:48,970 --> 00:18:51,679 and this is what I'm going to say 334 00:18:51,762 --> 00:18:53,970 unless you back off. 335 00:18:54,053 --> 00:18:56,303 The table suddenly turned, 336 00:18:56,387 --> 00:19:00,637 where his prior lawyer becomes his worst enemy. 337 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:03,303 Uh, her fangs were out. 338 00:19:03,387 --> 00:19:05,762 She was going to throw him under the bus. 339 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:08,762 You know, she made it clear: 340 00:19:08,845 --> 00:19:10,428 there's only one goal here, 341 00:19:10,512 --> 00:19:14,512 and that's to clear Patricia Cummings. 342 00:19:16,011 --> 00:19:20,428 So because you declared total war on my client, 343 00:19:20,512 --> 00:19:21,762 at that moment, 344 00:19:21,845 --> 00:19:25,762 I decided we're going to play some chess here. 345 00:19:25,845 --> 00:19:26,762 I'll give up that claim. 346 00:19:26,845 --> 00:19:28,261 I surrender. 347 00:19:28,345 --> 00:19:31,679 Mr. Hampton, can you please address, uh, 348 00:19:31,762 --> 00:19:35,762 your next steps concerning your writ? 349 00:19:35,845 --> 00:19:37,178 [Keith] Yes, Ma'am. 350 00:19:37,261 --> 00:19:39,970 Uh [clears throat], at this time, I am, uh, 351 00:19:40,053 --> 00:19:46,261 withdrawing two of the claims in the second amended writ 352 00:19:46,345 --> 00:19:49,637 regarding ineffective assistance of counsel. 353 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,220 She thought she won. 354 00:19:51,303 --> 00:19:53,887 She got me to withdraw that claim, 355 00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:55,387 so, victory. 356 00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:58,887 She-she won it in the Court's Office. 357 00:19:58,970 --> 00:20:01,845 But the minute she did that and the way she did it, I just went: 358 00:20:01,929 --> 00:20:03,595 okay, I'll withdraw it. 359 00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:05,220 But I'm going to come back around. 360 00:20:05,303 --> 00:20:06,804 I'm going to do this other stuff that you 361 00:20:06,887 --> 00:20:09,011 haven't even thought of. 362 00:20:09,095 --> 00:20:14,387 Under the law, Patricia's plan to publicly nail her 363 00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:19,303 former client can be done under the first claim, 364 00:20:19,387 --> 00:20:22,220 the ineffective assistance claim. 365 00:20:22,303 --> 00:20:26,929 It's all irrelevant under a conflict of interest claim, 366 00:20:27,011 --> 00:20:30,637 where you don't get to say any of that under the law. 367 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,470 So I'm not going to ask it and you don't get to say it. 368 00:20:34,553 --> 00:20:37,804 She didn't know that until she walked out to testify. 369 00:20:37,887 --> 00:20:42,845 At this time, I'm making an oral amendment to include 370 00:20:42,929 --> 00:20:45,679 an ineffective assistance of counsel claim 371 00:20:45,762 --> 00:20:50,303 limited to trial counsel's conflict of interest. 372 00:20:51,053 --> 00:20:55,679 So I would establish that I have asserted, uh, 373 00:20:55,762 --> 00:20:59,512 on behalf of my client his attorney-client privilege 374 00:20:59,595 --> 00:21:02,428 and then would pass her as a witness. 375 00:21:02,512 --> 00:21:05,011 And I believe that the questions that the 376 00:21:05,095 --> 00:21:08,428 State would ask are limited 377 00:21:08,512 --> 00:21:12,428 and are pertinent only to the conflict of interest. 378 00:21:13,929 --> 00:21:15,804 We were in the courtroom with the rest of you all, 379 00:21:15,887 --> 00:21:17,553 waiting. 380 00:21:17,637 --> 00:21:19,178 And then, uh, and we heard it all for the first time 381 00:21:19,261 --> 00:21:20,887 with everybody else. 382 00:21:20,970 --> 00:21:22,220 [Shawn] Mr. Hampton announces that he's going to withdraw 383 00:21:22,303 --> 00:21:24,303 his ineffective claim. 384 00:21:24,387 --> 00:21:26,887 Uh, I was-- I was livid. 385 00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:29,637 I felt very strongly that that was one of the strongest parts 386 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,220 of this case, that she is equally responsible in this, 387 00:21:33,303 --> 00:21:34,970 as is the Cedar Park Police Department. 388 00:21:35,053 --> 00:21:38,303 This has always been, uh, a difficult matter, 389 00:21:38,387 --> 00:21:40,804 trying to go back four years and figure out what happened. 390 00:21:40,887 --> 00:21:43,220 But the very person that brought this forward was Ms. Cummings. 391 00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:46,053 She-she brought this case forward to Mr. Hampton 392 00:21:46,136 --> 00:21:47,720 to be investigated. 393 00:21:47,804 --> 00:21:49,637 Now the one person we're not going to be able to talk to 394 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,512 about this case is Ms. Cummings. 395 00:21:52,595 --> 00:21:54,929 We'd been on this journey to try to figure out 396 00:21:55,011 --> 00:21:56,303 what the truth is here. 397 00:21:56,387 --> 00:21:58,845 And it's proven difficult at every turn. 398 00:21:58,929 --> 00:22:00,762 Whether she had a conflict of interest is obviously the 399 00:22:00,845 --> 00:22:02,261 ultimate question. 400 00:22:02,345 --> 00:22:04,387 What we were trying to develop at the hearing was the facts 401 00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:06,470 that would be the basis of that claim. 402 00:22:09,178 --> 00:22:10,428 My name is Patricia Cummings. 403 00:22:17,845 --> 00:22:18,595 I was. 404 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,470 I am. 405 00:22:28,887 --> 00:22:29,804 Multiple times. 406 00:22:37,011 --> 00:22:37,970 Can't violate that? 407 00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:39,887 That's correct. 408 00:22:42,637 --> 00:22:46,261 Patricia was mystified by the fact that I had 409 00:22:46,345 --> 00:22:48,053 piddly questions: what's your name? 410 00:22:48,136 --> 00:22:49,261 What's your favorite color? 411 00:22:49,345 --> 00:22:50,637 Pass the witness, you know. 412 00:22:56,553 --> 00:22:58,929 And I would love to be able to talk to you, Mr. Roberts, 413 00:22:59,011 --> 00:23:02,970 but I cannot violate my ethical obligation to my client. 414 00:23:03,053 --> 00:23:04,720 And so I'm kind of in a jam. 415 00:23:04,804 --> 00:23:06,553 - Yeah. - Kind of like you are. 416 00:23:13,428 --> 00:23:14,512 [Patricia] Certainly. 417 00:23:18,887 --> 00:23:19,762 He did. 418 00:23:24,095 --> 00:23:24,887 He did. 419 00:23:25,845 --> 00:23:26,762 I did. 420 00:23:38,261 --> 00:23:39,720 [Patricia] Yes. 421 00:23:39,804 --> 00:23:42,095 I think they just assumed that because the outcry 422 00:23:42,178 --> 00:23:45,261 had occurred on the 13th, they were assuming that any 423 00:23:45,345 --> 00:23:48,428 alleged offense had occurred close in time to that. 424 00:23:56,136 --> 00:23:57,804 I don't think it's perfectly reasonable at all. 425 00:23:58,804 --> 00:23:59,595 Not at all. 426 00:24:01,804 --> 00:24:03,762 And-and if you'd like for me to explain that, Mr. Roberts, 427 00:24:03,845 --> 00:24:05,303 I can explain. 428 00:24:05,387 --> 00:24:06,845 No, I mean you-you're obviously-- 429 00:24:06,929 --> 00:24:08,261 even though you don't want to waive 430 00:24:08,345 --> 00:24:09,428 attorney-client privilege or won't, 431 00:24:09,512 --> 00:24:11,053 you're willing to explain all of this. 432 00:24:11,136 --> 00:24:12,553 [Patricia] Actually, it's on the record. 433 00:24:12,637 --> 00:24:14,970 All I'm going to say-- all I'm going to say is 434 00:24:15,053 --> 00:24:16,512 this was no surprise. 435 00:24:16,595 --> 00:24:18,053 You had a-- you had a sheet of paper 436 00:24:18,136 --> 00:24:19,887 from the Cedar Park Police. 437 00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:21,720 Rightly or wrongly, 438 00:24:21,804 --> 00:24:23,720 whether that's the correct date or the incorrect date, 439 00:24:23,804 --> 00:24:25,428 whether it's a good date or a bad date, 440 00:24:25,512 --> 00:24:27,220 there is a piece of paper there that has 441 00:24:27,303 --> 00:24:29,303 that date in there as the date of this offense. 442 00:24:30,887 --> 00:24:33,053 Right, and you are also aware that at the time Greg Kelley 443 00:24:33,136 --> 00:24:34,679 was not in the home? 444 00:24:34,762 --> 00:24:37,470 He had moved out in June of 2013. 445 00:24:37,553 --> 00:24:39,845 And Aldo testified to that too yesterday. 446 00:24:39,929 --> 00:24:40,845 Okay? 447 00:24:40,929 --> 00:24:41,970 A-actually, I need to be careful, Judge, 448 00:24:42,053 --> 00:24:43,553 because I do think that that does go into 449 00:24:43,637 --> 00:24:45,595 attorney-client privileged information and so-- 450 00:24:49,345 --> 00:24:50,095 [Patricia] But I-- 451 00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:52,762 Well, I've already answered the fact that 452 00:24:52,845 --> 00:24:55,553 I was aware that Freed wrote a one-page report 453 00:24:55,637 --> 00:24:58,261 that said July 12th, 2013. 454 00:24:58,345 --> 00:24:59,428 So-- 455 00:25:17,136 --> 00:25:19,136 I cannot say that those are his exact words. 456 00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:20,011 I don't-- 457 00:25:21,261 --> 00:25:22,595 So are you asking me a question? 458 00:25:23,387 --> 00:25:24,553 I mean so I-I don't know that those-- 459 00:25:28,095 --> 00:25:29,595 I- as I s-- 460 00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:31,387 As I explained a moment ago, 461 00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:34,053 I received that on July 7th of 2013. 462 00:25:36,095 --> 00:25:37,011 I had that tape. 463 00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:39,095 [Shawn] The police officers thought this happened 464 00:25:39,178 --> 00:25:40,720 on July 12th. 465 00:25:42,345 --> 00:25:43,720 That's when they said it happened. 466 00:25:43,804 --> 00:25:45,011 They got that information from somewhere. 467 00:25:45,095 --> 00:25:46,512 They told you. 468 00:25:46,595 --> 00:25:47,720 They got that information from somewhere. 469 00:25:47,804 --> 00:25:50,220 We know where Greg Kelley was on July 12th. 470 00:25:50,303 --> 00:25:52,095 That has to be a reasonable doubt. 471 00:25:52,178 --> 00:25:53,887 It has to be. 472 00:25:53,970 --> 00:25:57,220 And so why in the world would you ignore that date? 473 00:25:57,303 --> 00:25:59,345 We couldn't think of a single reason 474 00:25:59,428 --> 00:26:00,845 not to mention that at all. 475 00:26:00,929 --> 00:26:03,220 Whether your defense is it never happened, 476 00:26:03,303 --> 00:26:04,387 this is all made up, 477 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:05,970 how could you miss that piece of information? 478 00:26:06,053 --> 00:26:08,804 I mean it's on the front page of the offense report. 479 00:26:08,887 --> 00:26:11,970 And the offense report is only 13 pages long. 480 00:26:12,053 --> 00:26:13,970 So how in the world could you miss that that is 481 00:26:14,053 --> 00:26:15,845 the offense date? 482 00:26:15,929 --> 00:26:17,845 And why in the world would you not do something about that? 483 00:26:18,929 --> 00:26:21,679 It's difficult for me to imagine 484 00:26:21,762 --> 00:26:26,303 defending someone who's being accused of having abused 485 00:26:26,387 --> 00:26:29,303 not only one but now two children 486 00:26:29,387 --> 00:26:32,261 that if you're presented with this kind of information, 487 00:26:32,345 --> 00:26:35,720 that you-you couldn't or wouldn't explore its use 488 00:26:35,804 --> 00:26:37,804 in defense of your client. 489 00:26:40,261 --> 00:26:41,136 I did. 490 00:26:43,387 --> 00:26:44,637 I am. 491 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,970 You'd obviously seen Johnathan McCarty. 492 00:26:49,095 --> 00:26:50,970 Right, and one of the allegations I, 493 00:26:51,053 --> 00:26:54,053 obviously this is part of this writ, is that there is a s-- 494 00:26:54,136 --> 00:26:57,470 back at the time in 2013, there is a facial similarity 495 00:26:57,553 --> 00:27:00,053 between Johnathan and Greg Kelley. 496 00:27:02,553 --> 00:27:04,303 Judge, if-if you would just order me 497 00:27:04,387 --> 00:27:05,637 that I could go into this, 498 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,720 because I do believe that that goes into 499 00:27:07,804 --> 00:27:11,679 attorney-client privilege and confidential information. 500 00:27:11,762 --> 00:27:14,095 Um, I certainly-- even saying whether I'm aware of it or not, 501 00:27:14,178 --> 00:27:15,679 I think does. 502 00:27:15,762 --> 00:27:16,804 [Judge King] I think the question is-- 503 00:27:16,887 --> 00:27:18,053 he asked you his identity. 504 00:27:18,136 --> 00:27:19,637 So I just want to-- 505 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,762 The-the similarity of their appearance. 506 00:27:20,845 --> 00:27:22,595 I actually think saying that I interviewed him, 507 00:27:22,679 --> 00:27:25,136 actually was probably something I shouldn't say because-- 508 00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:27,720 I think your responses that are germane to, 509 00:27:27,804 --> 00:27:30,804 and relevant to the questions that he's asking you, 510 00:27:30,887 --> 00:27:35,387 although albeit maybe considered confidential under the rule, 511 00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:36,387 I'm ordering you to answer. 512 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:37,929 Thank you, Judge. 513 00:27:38,011 --> 00:27:41,303 And so, was I aware that there was a resemblance? 514 00:27:41,387 --> 00:27:42,095 Is that the question? 515 00:27:42,178 --> 00:27:44,178 Sure, I was, yes. 516 00:27:44,261 --> 00:27:48,929 [dramatic music builds] 517 00:27:49,011 --> 00:27:56,929 ♪ 518 00:27:57,011 --> 00:28:05,720 ♪ 519 00:28:05,804 --> 00:28:06,804 I mean, I think the football coaches had it 520 00:28:06,887 --> 00:28:08,637 figured out like [snaps] that. 521 00:28:09,428 --> 00:28:10,595 - Yes. - Right off the bat. 522 00:28:10,679 --> 00:28:11,929 - Yes. - Right off the bat. 523 00:28:12,011 --> 00:28:13,804 It was nothing about a deal where: 524 00:28:13,887 --> 00:28:15,470 oh, this is-- Gr-Greg's not the guy. 525 00:28:15,553 --> 00:28:16,804 Johnathan's the guy. 526 00:28:16,887 --> 00:28:18,679 I wasn't looking at that. 527 00:28:18,762 --> 00:28:21,804 I was just looking because they both lived in the same house. 528 00:28:21,887 --> 00:28:25,470 And so I looked-- we had team photos of both kids. 529 00:28:25,553 --> 00:28:29,637 And I saw-- I put two photos side by side and-and I was like, 530 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,011 man, they both look alike. 531 00:28:32,095 --> 00:28:34,887 [Bryan] They looked like the same guy to me. 532 00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:37,261 And I thought in the eyes of a four-year-old-- 533 00:28:37,345 --> 00:28:38,887 I don't know if McCarty did it or not. 534 00:28:38,970 --> 00:28:40,720 I don't know if Kelley did it or not. 535 00:28:40,804 --> 00:28:44,345 But when I saw the football suit on the two of those two guys, 536 00:28:44,428 --> 00:28:46,845 they looked like twins to me. 537 00:28:46,929 --> 00:28:50,970 The two pictures, actually, uh, we had those pictures. 538 00:28:51,053 --> 00:28:53,178 And we were convinced, hey, you need to look at this. 539 00:28:53,261 --> 00:28:54,595 Just n-- look at it. 540 00:28:54,679 --> 00:28:56,553 So we s-- went to Patricia, mentioned that, 541 00:28:56,637 --> 00:28:57,679 and she would quickly say, 542 00:28:57,762 --> 00:28:59,095 "We're not going that route." 543 00:29:03,303 --> 00:29:04,095 Absolutely. 544 00:29:06,929 --> 00:29:09,512 She just said-- she put her hand up, uh, kind of 545 00:29:09,595 --> 00:29:10,470 in front of my face and she said, 546 00:29:10,553 --> 00:29:12,178 "We're not going to go there." 547 00:29:12,261 --> 00:29:13,303 [Keith] Okay. 548 00:29:13,387 --> 00:29:16,011 So months before the trial even happened, 549 00:29:16,095 --> 00:29:19,637 I had told the private investigator for Patricia, 550 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,679 which was Greg's-- Greg's case, 551 00:29:21,762 --> 00:29:24,095 that Johnathan was a suspect-- 552 00:29:24,178 --> 00:29:25,553 they-they need to investigate him. 553 00:29:25,637 --> 00:29:26,387 They need to look into him. 554 00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:28,053 He was living in the house. 555 00:29:28,136 --> 00:29:31,929 He missed school all the time, everything that pointed to him 556 00:29:32,011 --> 00:29:34,595 that could have easily make him a suspect. 557 00:29:34,679 --> 00:29:35,679 I told him all of that stuff. 558 00:29:35,762 --> 00:29:36,804 He wrote it down. 559 00:29:36,887 --> 00:29:38,637 I remember I printed it out, I signed it. 560 00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:40,804 Allen Keirn. 561 00:29:42,887 --> 00:29:43,970 I'm a private investigator. 562 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:50,095 Yes, I was. 563 00:29:58,553 --> 00:29:59,887 Yes, I did. 564 00:30:09,595 --> 00:30:11,011 [Keith] Yes, I did. 565 00:30:20,512 --> 00:30:22,720 Um, her response was that we were not going to 566 00:30:22,804 --> 00:30:25,929 investigate Johnathan McCarty. 567 00:30:27,136 --> 00:30:28,428 Yes. 568 00:30:30,011 --> 00:30:32,762 We wondered if she had the picture of, you know, 569 00:30:32,845 --> 00:30:35,428 Johnathan McCarty side by side with Greg Kelley. 570 00:30:35,512 --> 00:30:36,970 We were told she had that from the beginning 571 00:30:37,053 --> 00:30:38,512 of the investigation. 572 00:30:38,595 --> 00:30:40,929 There was certainly plenty of time that you could say: 573 00:30:41,011 --> 00:30:42,595 you know what, I'm learning new information. 574 00:30:42,679 --> 00:30:43,804 Let me investigate this lead. 575 00:30:43,887 --> 00:30:45,512 But the truth is she was never going to investigate 576 00:30:45,595 --> 00:30:46,970 Johnathan McCarty. 577 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:48,637 She wouldn't today investigate Johnathan McCarty. 578 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,470 That was clear from her answers on the stand. 579 00:31:04,011 --> 00:31:06,553 I don't think I was ever asked that, 580 00:31:06,637 --> 00:31:08,512 that specifically, Mr. Roberts. 581 00:31:08,595 --> 00:31:12,178 I do recall talking to a few different people about: 582 00:31:12,261 --> 00:31:14,512 is it possible Johnathan could have been involved? 583 00:31:14,595 --> 00:31:16,387 Yes, that did occur. 584 00:31:17,637 --> 00:31:19,011 I did talk to one juror 585 00:31:19,095 --> 00:31:22,428 and he gave me some interesting information. 586 00:31:22,512 --> 00:31:25,512 It sounded like it was a combination of, of course 587 00:31:25,595 --> 00:31:27,595 a four-year-old wouldn't say that if they hadn't 588 00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:30,345 experienced something sexual, 589 00:31:30,428 --> 00:31:36,261 um, and then kind of as a secondary point they said, 590 00:31:36,345 --> 00:31:41,595 "So we kept waiting to hear why. 591 00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:42,970 Why would he say that? 592 00:31:43,053 --> 00:31:45,387 Was there somebody else that did it?" 593 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:48,845 Um, and because they never got that answer, 594 00:31:48,929 --> 00:31:51,804 they believed the child. 595 00:31:51,887 --> 00:31:53,720 She put on blinders. 596 00:31:53,804 --> 00:31:56,595 And despite the fact that people were telling her 597 00:31:56,679 --> 00:31:58,387 look at Johnathan, 598 00:31:58,470 --> 00:32:01,428 she rebuffed them time and again. 599 00:32:08,887 --> 00:32:10,261 There appeared to be a conflict, yes. 600 00:32:13,887 --> 00:32:17,720 The conflict was that, um, that, uh, Ms. Cummings had a 601 00:32:17,804 --> 00:32:21,387 prior relationship with the McCarty, uh, family, uh, 602 00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:24,261 due to her representing some of her children. 603 00:32:27,261 --> 00:32:29,220 I thought it was a conflict, yes. 604 00:32:33,845 --> 00:32:35,470 I absolutely believe Patricia Cummings had a conflict 605 00:32:35,553 --> 00:32:38,762 with her relationship with the McCarty family. 606 00:32:38,845 --> 00:32:42,220 [Keith] She represented the McCarty brothers. 607 00:32:42,303 --> 00:32:45,887 But one in particular, she had represented 608 00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:49,136 for indecency with a child. 609 00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:53,428 From the beginning of her representation of Greg, 610 00:32:53,512 --> 00:32:59,845 it was skewed because of her involvement with the 611 00:32:59,929 --> 00:33:01,970 McCarty brothers, three of them. 612 00:33:02,053 --> 00:33:04,970 She had never represented Johnathan, 613 00:33:05,053 --> 00:33:06,637 but she had represented the other three boys 614 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,345 in some fashion over the last maybe 10 years. 615 00:33:11,428 --> 00:33:15,011 I know she represented each of them at least once, but it-- 616 00:33:15,095 --> 00:33:17,011 there might be one of them, one of the boys, 617 00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:20,512 that she represented on-on-on a couple of different occasions. 618 00:33:26,845 --> 00:33:28,136 Then or now? 619 00:33:30,637 --> 00:33:32,345 I-I-I haven't had any relationship with her 620 00:33:32,428 --> 00:33:33,553 since this trial. 621 00:33:33,637 --> 00:33:34,887 [Lindsey] Right, right. 622 00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:38,970 Um, then, I would say it was a friendly relationship. 623 00:33:39,053 --> 00:33:40,512 [Lindsey] Okay. 624 00:33:40,595 --> 00:33:42,136 You know, the-the idea of a conflict, it's-it's a 625 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:44,804 little bit like taking an intoxicated person. 626 00:33:44,887 --> 00:33:46,637 You know, the person that's intoxicated, are they really 627 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,804 the best judge to tell you whether they're intoxicated, 628 00:33:48,887 --> 00:33:50,512 or is it everyone around them? 629 00:33:50,595 --> 00:33:52,970 And so someone that has a conflict I don't think can 630 00:33:53,053 --> 00:33:54,387 see it all the time. 631 00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:56,470 And I think clearly, she's still living in the middle 632 00:33:56,553 --> 00:33:59,220 of a conflict that she can't recognize. 633 00:33:59,303 --> 00:34:01,261 For whatever reason, she's convinced that 634 00:34:01,345 --> 00:34:02,553 Johnathan McCarty is not someone 635 00:34:02,637 --> 00:34:04,345 that we should even be looking at. 636 00:34:04,804 --> 00:34:07,011 Uh, but she doesn't seem to act the same way with her own 637 00:34:07,095 --> 00:34:09,512 client these days, which is hard to explain. 638 00:34:10,637 --> 00:34:15,136 I believe Patricia took Johnathan's interest over mine. 639 00:34:16,136 --> 00:34:17,845 I'm the one paying her to defend me, 640 00:34:17,929 --> 00:34:19,845 trusting her to defend me. 641 00:34:19,929 --> 00:34:22,512 And I believe that she worked her whole defense around 642 00:34:22,595 --> 00:34:23,845 Johnathan McCarty. 643 00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:26,387 And now I have to serve 25 years in prison for it. 644 00:34:37,136 --> 00:34:39,053 [Cody Mitchell] I am a Texas Ranger employed by 645 00:34:39,136 --> 00:34:41,261 the Texas Department of Public Safety. 646 00:34:41,345 --> 00:34:44,428 I investigate any criminal activity within the 647 00:34:44,512 --> 00:34:47,345 boundaries of Texas, mainly, uh, major crimes. 648 00:34:54,887 --> 00:34:56,345 [Cody] That's correct. 649 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,595 We initially asked the Texas Rangers to come in and do 650 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:03,053 was help us investigate the defense claims on a writ. 651 00:35:03,136 --> 00:35:06,303 Um, it really wasn't to solve the case. 652 00:35:06,387 --> 00:35:09,303 If we could solve the case in doing it, fantastic. 653 00:35:09,387 --> 00:35:11,303 That's ideally what we want. 654 00:35:11,387 --> 00:35:13,553 But we had to investigate the claims on whether or not 655 00:35:13,637 --> 00:35:16,178 Greg Kelley was given a fair trial, 656 00:35:16,261 --> 00:35:18,011 um, and whether the system worked the way 657 00:35:18,095 --> 00:35:21,053 that it should have in the original trial. 658 00:35:21,136 --> 00:35:23,720 Usually, when you call witnesses, 659 00:35:23,804 --> 00:35:25,220 you have an idea, you know. 660 00:35:25,303 --> 00:35:27,345 You've already talked to them: 661 00:35:27,428 --> 00:35:28,845 we're going to talk about this, this and this. 662 00:35:28,929 --> 00:35:30,220 What would you say? 663 00:35:30,303 --> 00:35:33,679 And then, you know, they get up and they testify. 664 00:35:33,762 --> 00:35:36,261 And you-you pretty well know what to expect. 665 00:35:36,345 --> 00:35:38,470 Not-not in this case: none of us did. 666 00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:48,136 That's correct. 667 00:35:58,011 --> 00:35:59,428 I did. 668 00:35:59,512 --> 00:36:02,428 [Keith] At the moment this writ was made public, 669 00:36:02,512 --> 00:36:05,261 Johnathan was in a room with the Ranger in the 670 00:36:05,345 --> 00:36:08,178 Williamson County Jail answering questions. 671 00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:41,970 The little boy doesn't reveal this during his 672 00:36:42,053 --> 00:36:44,303 initial interview by the forensic interviewer 673 00:36:44,387 --> 00:36:46,553 at the Child Advocacy Center, 674 00:36:46,637 --> 00:36:52,053 but the prosecutors the spring before Greg's trial asked him, 675 00:36:52,136 --> 00:36:55,178 um, "Well, did-did he have pants on?" 676 00:36:55,261 --> 00:36:56,845 And he said yes. 677 00:36:56,929 --> 00:36:58,261 "What were they?" 678 00:36:58,345 --> 00:37:01,345 S-- they were pajamas, SpongeBob pajamas. 679 00:37:02,512 --> 00:37:04,804 The revelation that the assailant wore 680 00:37:04,887 --> 00:37:08,220 SpongeBob pajamas, uh, that's not disclosed 681 00:37:08,303 --> 00:37:11,387 to the defense until the middle of trial. 682 00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:14,387 And nobody can assess the significance of it. 683 00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:16,512 If they had gotten it beforehand, they could have 684 00:37:16,595 --> 00:37:18,136 done the same thing that I did, 685 00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:21,929 which was to walk around and ask people did-- 686 00:37:22,011 --> 00:37:23,762 who wore SpongeBob pajamas? 687 00:37:23,845 --> 00:37:24,428 Johnathan did. 688 00:37:24,512 --> 00:37:26,011 He wore them to school. 689 00:37:26,095 --> 00:37:27,512 He wore them in the neighborhood. 690 00:37:27,595 --> 00:37:30,053 [Gaebri] I do remember Johnathan wearing SpongeBob 691 00:37:30,136 --> 00:37:31,637 pajama pants to school. 692 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,178 A lot of people have witnessed these SpongeBob pajamas. 693 00:37:34,261 --> 00:37:39,053 Uh, he'd wear like his pajamas a bit, no shirt sometimes, 694 00:37:39,136 --> 00:37:43,095 or SpongeBob pajamas actually, yeah. 695 00:37:43,178 --> 00:37:45,887 He had a pair of pajama pants with SpongeBob on them, 696 00:37:45,970 --> 00:37:47,720 because I told him he was a little bit too grown 697 00:37:47,804 --> 00:37:49,595 to be wearing those kind of pajamas. 698 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,136 He was like, "Yeah, but I like SpongeBob," blah blah, okay. 699 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:01,595 [Cody] Yes. 700 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:02,428 [Keith] Okay. 701 00:38:14,387 --> 00:38:15,637 [Cody] And a cell phone picture of you in them. 702 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,762 Why would you lie about such an important fact that only 703 00:38:55,845 --> 00:38:59,762 the assailant would actually know is really important, 704 00:38:59,845 --> 00:39:01,970 that you're asking me about something I did 705 00:39:02,053 --> 00:39:03,428 so I'm going to deny it? 706 00:39:03,512 --> 00:39:05,303 Th-this is not a perfect case. 707 00:39:05,387 --> 00:39:07,011 I mean it would have been perfect if Greg-- 708 00:39:07,095 --> 00:39:08,929 if Greg had said, 709 00:39:09,011 --> 00:39:10,637 "Well, SpongeBob? 710 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,679 I've never-- I don't-- you know, I've never worn them." 711 00:39:13,762 --> 00:39:14,804 But that's not him. 712 00:39:14,887 --> 00:39:16,845 He's going to tell you the truth, you know. 713 00:39:16,929 --> 00:39:18,387 So he did. 714 00:39:43,345 --> 00:39:45,512 And then Johnathan, when confronted: 715 00:39:45,595 --> 00:39:46,637 "I-I don't know what you're talking about. 716 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:47,637 SpongeBob? 717 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,261 Never heard of it," you know. 718 00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:51,136 Why would that be-- 719 00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:54,553 now, see, at this point, with all the publicity, I get that. 720 00:39:54,637 --> 00:39:55,970 Okay? 721 00:39:56,053 --> 00:39:57,804 I'm going to lie about it because I know you're after me. 722 00:39:57,887 --> 00:40:01,178 But the key is, he's saying it when he doesn't have any idea. 723 00:40:01,261 --> 00:40:04,053 He should not have known that SpongeBob was important. 724 00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:06,929 The defense claims another young man who 725 00:40:07,011 --> 00:40:09,762 lived in the home where the sexual assault happened 726 00:40:09,845 --> 00:40:12,804 is responsible, alleging he had pictures of naked children 727 00:40:12,887 --> 00:40:14,011 on his phone. 728 00:40:14,095 --> 00:40:16,136 And bears a striking resemblance to Kelley. 729 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:18,804 [male reporter] A newly unsealed court document says 730 00:40:18,887 --> 00:40:22,470 that cell phone technology shows that McCarty had images 731 00:40:22,553 --> 00:40:27,512 of naked young children on his computer and his cell phone. 732 00:40:35,303 --> 00:40:36,595 Correct. 733 00:40:41,303 --> 00:40:42,720 It does meet the definition. 734 00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:46,512 What we found on the computer was child pornography 735 00:40:46,595 --> 00:40:52,470 and his voracious, uh, porn site, 736 00:40:52,553 --> 00:40:56,095 uh, visitations, 1,300, 737 00:40:56,178 --> 00:40:57,762 off of that computer. 738 00:40:57,845 --> 00:41:00,887 So he was a frequent flier there. 739 00:41:01,595 --> 00:41:04,053 I certainly think had we not reopened the case into 740 00:41:04,136 --> 00:41:06,595 Greg Kelley, um, there were a lot of things we wouldn't have 741 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,053 learned about Mr. McCarty. 742 00:41:09,136 --> 00:41:12,053 Uh, because this case is pending, I certainly want to 743 00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:14,011 be careful about what I say about his cases. 744 00:41:14,095 --> 00:41:17,095 But we learned a lot of information that someone who's 745 00:41:17,178 --> 00:41:21,261 otherwise on a state jail felony drug probation, 746 00:41:21,345 --> 00:41:24,345 uh, we wouldn't have known or-or paid attention to. 747 00:41:27,178 --> 00:41:28,970 He's still here in the Williamson County Jail, 748 00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:32,345 arrested on his probation revocation, 749 00:41:32,428 --> 00:41:34,512 uh, on-on a fairly high bond. 750 00:41:36,178 --> 00:41:38,095 [phone ringing] 751 00:41:38,178 --> 00:41:40,178 [phone recording] Hello, you have a call at no expense 752 00:41:40,261 --> 00:41:41,595 to you from... 753 00:41:43,595 --> 00:41:46,595 an inmate at Williamson County Jail. 754 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:48,095 You may begin speaking now. 755 00:42:58,762 --> 00:43:00,470 I think as the allegations had been made 756 00:43:00,553 --> 00:43:02,637 and-and evidence has been introduced, 757 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,762 the law enforcement, 758 00:43:04,845 --> 00:43:08,178 uh, investigation in this case, uh, was clearly lacking. 759 00:43:08,261 --> 00:43:10,178 There's more that should have been done that was not done. 760 00:43:10,261 --> 00:43:12,720 I think the ranger made that clear from the stand. 761 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:20,720 Yes. 762 00:43:20,804 --> 00:43:23,845 Would it be important that when you learned 763 00:43:23,929 --> 00:43:27,553 the offense occurred in a home daycare situation 764 00:43:27,637 --> 00:43:31,762 to actually visit the home daycare situation? 765 00:43:31,845 --> 00:43:32,637 Yes. 766 00:43:34,845 --> 00:43:35,553 Yes. 767 00:43:35,637 --> 00:43:37,428 - Investigate them? - Yes. 768 00:43:37,512 --> 00:43:38,595 - Maybe run a criminal history? 769 00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:39,470 [Cody] Correct. 770 00:43:39,553 --> 00:43:41,428 - Interview them? - Yes. 771 00:43:41,512 --> 00:43:43,178 Find out which bedrooms are theirs? 772 00:43:43,261 --> 00:43:43,720 [Cody] Correct. 773 00:43:46,929 --> 00:43:49,887 ...and there are 20 football players that stay at that house 774 00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:51,804 over the summer every night-- 775 00:43:51,887 --> 00:43:54,220 would it be important to know who those people are? 776 00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,136 [audience laughing] 777 00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:03,595 [Cody] Yes. 778 00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:15,804 The original investigation? 779 00:44:17,136 --> 00:44:19,178 Um, yeah. 780 00:44:35,345 --> 00:44:38,428 What started off as, um, I ain't going to use 781 00:44:38,512 --> 00:44:44,261 the word simple but a, uh, investigation into a crime that 782 00:44:44,345 --> 00:44:47,970 I'm used to working on turned out to be an investigation 783 00:44:48,053 --> 00:44:52,970 into different entities all involved with the crime that, 784 00:44:53,053 --> 00:44:56,136 for their own reasons or own motives, 785 00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,011 did things that shouldn't have been done. 786 00:44:59,095 --> 00:45:01,804 And it all just came together i-in the center 787 00:45:01,887 --> 00:45:05,720 and hit this-this defendant. 788 00:45:12,887 --> 00:45:17,637 I would be scared to death to think that I could be-- 789 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,512 end up in the same position with no evidence whatsoever 790 00:45:20,595 --> 00:45:24,595 and no investigation done and be convicted of something that 791 00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,470 I may or may not have done. 792 00:45:27,553 --> 00:45:29,428 [Greg] I'd be terrified. 793 00:45:30,095 --> 00:45:32,679 That's what I am, you know. 794 00:45:32,762 --> 00:45:34,720 That never leaves me. 795 00:45:35,428 --> 00:45:38,053 So-- 796 00:45:38,136 --> 00:45:38,762 yeah. 797 00:45:46,595 --> 00:45:50,095 It has led to the development of suspects but, uh, 798 00:45:50,178 --> 00:45:51,261 no conclusions. 799 00:45:54,178 --> 00:45:54,845 Three total. 800 00:46:14,804 --> 00:46:16,387 ...Greg Kelley is one of the suspects. 801 00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:20,345 And there are-- there is evidence that because of 802 00:46:20,428 --> 00:46:23,762 that evidence he cannot be ruled out at this time. 803 00:46:23,845 --> 00:46:26,929 Um, Johnathan McCarty is also a suspect, 804 00:46:27,011 --> 00:46:29,887 and then the third individual that I'm going to-- 805 00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:32,220 [Bryan] This should have happened in 2013. 806 00:46:32,303 --> 00:46:35,720 Now we're here four years later. 807 00:46:35,804 --> 00:46:37,637 This guy's been in prison for three years. 808 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:41,053 Oh, and by the way, not just is McCarty, 809 00:46:41,136 --> 00:46:43,595 the twin brother, almost, to this kid, 810 00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,053 but there's a third person now. 811 00:46:46,136 --> 00:46:48,345 It was-- it was mind-blowing whenever that announcement 812 00:46:48,428 --> 00:46:49,679 was made in court. 813 00:46:49,762 --> 00:46:51,095 [female reporter] Now McCarty's attorney was also in 814 00:46:51,178 --> 00:46:53,261 the courtroom, listening to the testimony, 815 00:46:53,345 --> 00:46:56,053 and said it's extremely unusual to watch both 816 00:46:56,136 --> 00:46:59,345 the DA and defense seek the same outcome. 817 00:46:59,428 --> 00:47:02,428 In this case, they were both looking to, uh, 818 00:47:02,512 --> 00:47:03,887 exonerate Mr. Kelley. 819 00:47:03,970 --> 00:47:06,929 And they were doing so at the expense of Johnathan McCarty. 820 00:47:07,011 --> 00:47:10,804 In an attempt to restore justice to Greg Kelley, 821 00:47:10,887 --> 00:47:13,720 they have denied Johnathan McCarty justice. 822 00:47:13,804 --> 00:47:16,845 And it is not how our system works. 823 00:47:16,929 --> 00:47:19,178 That ranger was actually looking, doing an 824 00:47:19,261 --> 00:47:21,595 investigation that's based on a defense strategy: 825 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:23,136 look for alternative suspects. 826 00:47:23,220 --> 00:47:24,428 Okay? 827 00:47:24,512 --> 00:47:26,095 There's a lot of talk about Johnathan McCarty. 828 00:47:26,178 --> 00:47:29,136 And then this mystery man that comes up at the 11th hour as 829 00:47:29,220 --> 00:47:31,345 a p-potential third suspect: we know who that is. 830 00:47:31,428 --> 00:47:34,804 To this day, the only person that has met the 831 00:47:34,887 --> 00:47:38,011 probable cause bar is Greg Kelley. 832 00:47:39,428 --> 00:47:42,303 [Judge King] I will work to draft my own findings of fact. 833 00:47:42,387 --> 00:47:46,136 And I'm simply making determinations, 834 00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:49,470 but really this-- the final decision, as you all know, 835 00:47:49,553 --> 00:47:52,679 is to be made by the folks 836 00:47:52,762 --> 00:47:55,136 down at the Court of Criminal Appeals. 837 00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:59,136 Lawyers who have never seen Mr. Kelley, 838 00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:01,720 will never see Mr. Kelley very likely, 839 00:48:01,804 --> 00:48:03,970 are going to grade all of our papers 840 00:48:04,053 --> 00:48:06,720 and make a determination based on the law. 841 00:48:07,804 --> 00:48:09,470 Emotion doesn't enter into it. 842 00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:12,512 So, we need to take the time to get it right. 843 00:48:13,512 --> 00:48:16,011 All right, Ladies and Gentlemen, I adjourn these proceedings. 844 00:48:16,095 --> 00:48:17,679 You all are excused. 845 00:48:17,762 --> 00:48:26,512 [low dramatic music] 846 00:48:26,595 --> 00:48:28,345 Had I been the attorney in charge of this case 847 00:48:28,428 --> 00:48:29,637 at the beginning, 848 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:32,136 there is no way that I would have brought charges. 849 00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:33,762 At this point, this would be one of those cases that 850 00:48:33,845 --> 00:48:35,261 I would chalk up in my book as: 851 00:48:35,345 --> 00:48:38,095 unknown, further investigation required. 852 00:48:38,178 --> 00:48:41,387 Having the outcry of the child be "it", 853 00:48:41,470 --> 00:48:43,011 it should never be it. 854 00:48:43,095 --> 00:48:46,720 It should be the starting point of every investigation. 855 00:48:47,178 --> 00:48:49,178 Part of our responsibility as a-- as a prosecutor 856 00:48:49,261 --> 00:48:51,345 is it's not just about do we believe the children 857 00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:55,136 but it's: what evidence do we have to support that? 858 00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:57,136 Um, it's one thing to believe a child. 859 00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:59,887 It's one thing to want to help and support a child. 860 00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:02,220 But we have a higher calling than that. 861 00:49:02,303 --> 00:49:05,053 We have a higher responsibility than that as prosecutors. 862 00:49:05,136 --> 00:49:07,887 And so I would not go forward on that kind of a case, 863 00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:11,220 because if I am going to go forward on the word of a child, 864 00:49:11,303 --> 00:49:13,220 I need to have a detective who can get up there 865 00:49:13,303 --> 00:49:17,428 and say the kinds of things that Ranger Mitchell said, that: 866 00:49:17,512 --> 00:49:18,595 I did this. 867 00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:19,595 I talked to these people. 868 00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:20,887 I identified these people. 869 00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:24,553 I talked to each and every one of these individuals. 870 00:49:24,637 --> 00:49:26,220 I looked everywhere. 871 00:49:26,303 --> 00:49:27,970 And I'm still left with this. 872 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:33,428 Is everything okay? 873 00:49:41,970 --> 00:49:44,053 And-and that's what y'all asked for, so-- 874 00:49:44,136 --> 00:49:45,679 I feel good that I'm at least giving you all that. 875 00:49:45,762 --> 00:49:46,512 Yes, yes. 876 00:49:55,595 --> 00:49:56,553 Well, thank you, very much. 877 00:49:56,637 --> 00:49:57,512 Thank you so much. 878 00:49:58,595 --> 00:49:59,929 [Cody] You take care. 879 00:50:00,011 --> 00:50:01,637 I think whenever we talk about, you know, 880 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,387 how I would describe just the entire case, 881 00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:05,553 it's just a mess. 882 00:50:05,637 --> 00:50:08,595 And it continues to be a mess even to this day. 883 00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,637 It's really unsatisfying as well, because there's no clear 884 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,345 great answer to this. 885 00:50:15,428 --> 00:50:18,553 We don't have clarity on who actually committed this offense. 886 00:50:18,637 --> 00:50:21,720 Uh, we don't have clarity on exactly what the 887 00:50:21,804 --> 00:50:24,428 right claims for relief are. 888 00:50:24,512 --> 00:50:26,679 Uh, we don't have clarity necessarily about how to 889 00:50:26,762 --> 00:50:28,637 move forward from this. 890 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,220 Uh, but the one thing that I think we've got clarity on here 891 00:50:31,303 --> 00:50:32,970 is that the system failed. 892 00:50:33,053 --> 00:50:35,303 It's the one thing that I can do something about moving forward, 893 00:50:35,387 --> 00:50:37,303 and that's what we're focusing on. 894 00:50:38,303 --> 00:50:41,261 Even if Judge King does agree to release Kelley on bond, 895 00:50:41,345 --> 00:50:44,136 we will still have to wait for the Court of Criminal Appeals 896 00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:47,095 to rule in his favor in order to exonerate him. 897 00:50:47,178 --> 00:50:49,470 The court could also ask for a new trial 898 00:50:49,553 --> 00:50:52,178 or leave Kelley's previous conviction. 899 00:50:55,053 --> 00:50:56,553 I deserve to go home to my family. 900 00:50:58,136 --> 00:50:59,720 I've been through a lot and so has my family. 901 00:50:59,804 --> 00:51:02,428 I'm not the only one doing 25 years, man. 902 00:51:05,470 --> 00:51:06,095 Yeah. 903 00:51:12,011 --> 00:51:12,929 We begin tonight with breaking news 904 00:51:13,011 --> 00:51:15,345 in a controversial Cedar Park case. 905 00:51:15,428 --> 00:51:17,512 New evidence is emerging, broadening the lens 906 00:51:17,595 --> 00:51:19,136 around Greg Kelley. 907 00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:20,679 Now we are learning new information from the 908 00:51:20,762 --> 00:51:23,595 Texas Ranger's investigation that keeps him as an 909 00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:27,512 active suspect in this child sex assault investigation. 910 00:51:27,595 --> 00:51:29,845 [male reporter] This latest evidence contradicts some 911 00:51:29,929 --> 00:51:33,303 of Kelley's claims that he's made since the beginning, 912 00:51:33,387 --> 00:51:35,720 when this whole thing arose several years ago. 913 00:51:35,804 --> 00:51:40,845 It was made public that the Texas Ranger filed 914 00:51:40,929 --> 00:51:45,053 three search warrant affidavits and got three search warrants, 915 00:51:45,136 --> 00:51:48,095 one for Johnathan McCarty's phone, uh, 916 00:51:48,178 --> 00:51:50,720 and two for Greg's phone. 917 00:51:50,804 --> 00:51:52,804 [female reporter] According to the newest search warrants, 918 00:51:52,887 --> 00:51:54,887 Kelley's phone showed that he spent an increasing 919 00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:58,220 amount of time on pornographic Web sites around the 920 00:51:58,303 --> 00:52:00,345 time of the four-year-old boy's assault. 921 00:52:00,428 --> 00:52:03,053 The warrant says that increase "marked the beginning of a 922 00:52:03,136 --> 00:52:04,804 change in Kelley's normal habits 923 00:52:04,887 --> 00:52:06,553 and sexual interests." 924 00:52:06,637 --> 00:52:11,095 The Ranger releases this at a point in time 925 00:52:11,178 --> 00:52:14,095 that he knows is quite delicate. 926 00:52:14,178 --> 00:52:17,720 And it feels an awful lot like sabotage 927 00:52:17,804 --> 00:52:19,553 and spitefulness, actually. 928 00:52:19,637 --> 00:52:22,303 The arrest warrant affidavit is written 929 00:52:22,387 --> 00:52:24,762 in an extremely odd way, 930 00:52:24,845 --> 00:52:26,261 and it is very accusatory. 931 00:52:26,345 --> 00:52:28,220 It-it-- he builds it up: 932 00:52:28,303 --> 00:52:31,762 Greg's got an addiction to pornography. 933 00:52:31,845 --> 00:52:33,553 [female reporter] Texas Ranger Cody Mitchell believes to 934 00:52:33,637 --> 00:52:37,261 a high degree of probability that during the 2013 to 2014 935 00:52:37,345 --> 00:52:39,720 time period, Kelley was displaying undeniable 936 00:52:39,804 --> 00:52:44,178 indicators of being a sexually motivated high-risk threat. 937 00:52:44,261 --> 00:52:46,595 The Ranger had found deleted texts indicating Kelley had 938 00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:48,720 spent hours alone with the children 939 00:52:48,804 --> 00:52:50,136 in the at-home daycare, 940 00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:53,303 even taking a selfie with the victim. 941 00:52:53,387 --> 00:52:55,762 The search warrant also shows that Kelley was a member 942 00:52:55,845 --> 00:52:58,387 of the Web site Adult Friend Finder and had several 943 00:52:58,470 --> 00:53:01,220 different profiles under his name to met with 944 00:53:01,303 --> 00:53:03,720 people in his area for intimate contact. 945 00:53:04,553 --> 00:53:06,470 I don't know how it got released. 946 00:53:06,553 --> 00:53:09,470 I was told that Johnathan McCarty's lawyers 947 00:53:09,553 --> 00:53:11,720 were asking about the search warrants before 948 00:53:11,804 --> 00:53:14,470 they were even filed. 949 00:53:14,553 --> 00:53:16,053 So, which is interesting, because I didn't know about 950 00:53:16,136 --> 00:53:17,804 them before they were filed. 951 00:53:17,887 --> 00:53:20,720 It's-- obviously somebody released that information, uh, 952 00:53:20,804 --> 00:53:23,720 to at least Johnathan McCarty's team and-and "The Statesman". 953 00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:30,512 Before-before it was public, yes. 954 00:53:30,595 --> 00:53:31,345 [Pat] Wow. 955 00:53:40,053 --> 00:53:42,512 I just-- I'd prefer not to talk about it right now. 956 00:53:43,887 --> 00:53:47,136 First of all, only about maybe five percent of that 957 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:49,178 is true regarding the pornography. 958 00:53:49,261 --> 00:53:50,845 I have watched pornography. 959 00:53:50,929 --> 00:53:52,845 Everything else is completely fr-- fabricated 960 00:53:52,929 --> 00:53:54,887 and it's opinionated. 961 00:53:55,595 --> 00:54:00,845 He's saying that I have been a member of a site called 962 00:54:00,929 --> 00:54:04,178 adultfriendfinder.com. 963 00:54:04,261 --> 00:54:06,345 I was never a member of that site. 964 00:54:06,428 --> 00:54:08,637 I've never used my e-mails to get into that site. 965 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:13,720 I've never searched or even journeyed at that site. 966 00:54:13,804 --> 00:54:18,178 And I don't know where he would get the idea where I have. 967 00:54:20,845 --> 00:54:21,762 Never. 968 00:54:22,887 --> 00:54:24,553 Never. 969 00:54:24,804 --> 00:54:26,804 I've never met with anybody online. 970 00:54:28,512 --> 00:54:29,595 Well, they built-- they've-they've built him up 971 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,887 to be angelic, uh, y- you know. 972 00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:35,303 And there's no way in the world that this guy 973 00:54:35,387 --> 00:54:36,553 could do anything wrong. 974 00:54:36,637 --> 00:54:39,095 And then you fast forward to the s-- uh, 975 00:54:39,178 --> 00:54:41,679 the search warrants conducted, you know, by the Ranger. 976 00:54:41,762 --> 00:54:44,679 You start finding out things about, you know, his extensive, 977 00:54:44,762 --> 00:54:48,178 uh, you know, porn history, his Adult Friend Finder, uh, 978 00:54:48,261 --> 00:54:51,345 activity, you know, hooking up for sexual encounters 979 00:54:51,428 --> 00:54:53,720 a-and those kinds of dangerous behaviors. 980 00:54:53,804 --> 00:54:57,387 Uh, and-and you get a different picture of 981 00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:59,387 who they're advocating for. 982 00:54:59,470 --> 00:55:00,887 Go ahead, search my e-mails. 983 00:55:00,970 --> 00:55:01,887 I have nothing to hide. 984 00:55:01,970 --> 00:55:03,303 I've been totally transparent with you 985 00:55:03,387 --> 00:55:05,345 and been honest with you throughout this whole process 986 00:55:05,428 --> 00:55:09,345 because I believe if I go-- if-if I want to go home, 987 00:55:09,428 --> 00:55:10,845 I've got to cooperate. 988 00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:12,428 Right? 989 00:55:15,845 --> 00:55:16,512 Uh, with what? 990 00:55:21,804 --> 00:55:23,136 I don't know what questions he's taking about. 991 00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:25,261 I'd have to be shown them. 992 00:55:25,345 --> 00:55:27,011 [Pat] Yeah. 993 00:55:27,095 --> 00:55:29,845 Because I have admitted to him that I've watched pornography. 994 00:55:29,929 --> 00:55:32,220 I've admitted to him that I've worn the SpongeBob pajama pants 995 00:55:32,303 --> 00:55:34,553 once or twice. 996 00:55:34,637 --> 00:55:37,303 I don't know how I'm being deceitful to him. 997 00:55:39,804 --> 00:55:40,679 No. 998 00:55:43,595 --> 00:55:44,345 Yeah. 999 00:55:45,762 --> 00:55:46,470 Yeah, I do. 1000 00:55:47,845 --> 00:55:50,553 Well, I've passed every question but one. 1001 00:55:52,136 --> 00:55:55,470 Yeah, if I stuck my-my penis in the kid's mouth. 1002 00:55:56,637 --> 00:55:58,261 He's saying I failed one question over here. 1003 00:55:58,345 --> 00:55:59,804 And the three questions were: 1004 00:55:59,887 --> 00:56:02,595 did I stick my penis in the kid's mouth, 1005 00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:05,595 did I make a kid put lotion on my penis, 1006 00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:09,887 and am I being truthful in these questions? 1007 00:56:09,970 --> 00:56:12,679 I passed am I being truthful in these questions. 1008 00:56:12,762 --> 00:56:15,804 Did I stick-- did I make a kid put lotion on my-my penis? 1009 00:56:15,887 --> 00:56:17,595 Passed that one. 1010 00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:20,845 But I can't pass that I put my penis in a kid's mouth. 1011 00:56:21,970 --> 00:56:25,345 Mr. Kelley has lied about several things. 1012 00:56:25,428 --> 00:56:27,178 He's lied about wanting to talk to the police 1013 00:56:27,261 --> 00:56:29,387 and that we just wouldn't talk to him. 1014 00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:32,595 He lied about being a Marine in Afghanistan, 1015 00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:35,178 you know, at-at a gym, this guy. 1016 00:56:35,261 --> 00:56:38,762 He is challenged with the truth. 1017 00:56:49,136 --> 00:56:51,553 I believe everything I've said just defended myself. 1018 00:56:57,053 --> 00:56:58,720 I don't know. 1019 00:56:59,804 --> 00:57:01,428 I hope not. 1020 00:57:05,387 --> 00:57:08,053 Um, you know, I-I think I-I've vacillated back and forth 1021 00:57:08,136 --> 00:57:09,679 through my investigation. 1022 00:57:09,762 --> 00:57:12,720 I think initially I was pretty convinced of his innocence. 1023 00:57:12,804 --> 00:57:15,970 Um, I think there have been parts of the investigation 1024 00:57:16,053 --> 00:57:18,637 that I have started to think he's guilty. 1025 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,512 And now I hate to say this, but I-I just-- 1026 00:57:21,595 --> 00:57:23,720 I wouldn't be surprised either way. 1027 00:57:23,804 --> 00:57:26,929 And, um, that's the hardest thing, is I-I wish I knew. 1028 00:57:27,011 --> 00:57:29,929 And, you know, do I think that Johnathan McCarty 1029 00:57:30,011 --> 00:57:31,136 is a more likely suspect? 1030 00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:33,762 I mean I've kind of thought that all along. 1031 00:57:33,845 --> 00:57:37,512 Um, so it's just that's what's so troubling this, 1032 00:57:37,595 --> 00:57:39,804 is I just don't know the answer. 1033 00:57:43,470 --> 00:57:44,804 Well, hello, fighters. 1034 00:57:44,887 --> 00:57:46,887 I want to let everybody know that, uh, what I've got 1035 00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:51,970 in my hands right here is the signed bond paperwork 1036 00:57:52,053 --> 00:57:53,428 for Greg Kelley. 1037 00:57:53,512 --> 00:57:55,470 Guys, Greg's coming home today. 1038 00:57:56,053 --> 00:57:57,011 Today's a big day. 1039 00:57:57,095 --> 00:57:58,470 Let's go celebrate. 1040 00:57:59,470 --> 00:58:03,261 I'd like to believe-- you know, I'm-I'm agreeing to a bond. 1041 00:58:03,345 --> 00:58:04,595 I'm agreeing to his release. 1042 00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:06,553 I'd like to believe that he's not responsible for this 1043 00:58:06,637 --> 00:58:09,845 offense, uh, because it's easier for me to sleep at night 1044 00:58:09,929 --> 00:58:11,303 to think, okay, I just released somebody that's 1045 00:58:11,387 --> 00:58:13,720 not responsible for the offense. 1046 00:58:13,804 --> 00:58:15,970 But I also know, like I said, my job is to see that 1047 00:58:16,053 --> 00:58:17,095 justice is done. 1048 00:58:17,178 --> 00:58:19,095 And justice means not taking the chance that we 1049 00:58:19,178 --> 00:58:20,470 convict an innocent person. 1050 00:58:20,553 --> 00:58:22,345 So I just have to live with that. 1051 00:58:24,178 --> 00:58:29,387 [indistinct chatter] 1052 00:58:29,470 --> 00:58:34,428 [crowd cheering] 1053 00:58:34,512 --> 00:58:35,595 [Gaebri] I love you. 1054 00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,303 I love you, I love you. 1055 00:58:37,387 --> 00:58:42,887 [sobbing] 1056 00:58:45,387 --> 00:58:46,261 I love you. 1057 00:58:46,345 --> 00:58:47,387 I love you too. 1058 00:58:47,470 --> 00:58:54,136 [soft dramatic music] 1059 00:58:54,220 --> 00:59:04,095 ♪ 1060 00:59:04,178 --> 00:59:14,136 ♪ 1061 00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:21,762 ♪ 1062 00:59:25,387 --> 00:59:26,929 [male reporter] Greg, what do you have to say 1063 00:59:27,011 --> 00:59:28,970 about this moment and all these people that are here right now? 1064 00:59:29,053 --> 00:59:32,178 I'm so grateful to finally be out. 1065 00:59:32,261 --> 00:59:34,720 I've been waiting for this day a long time. 1066 00:59:34,804 --> 00:59:36,095 [female reporter] ...getting Greg Kelley's reaction. 1067 00:59:36,178 --> 00:59:37,553 It's so surreal right now. 1068 00:59:37,637 --> 00:59:40,428 I-I couldn't process this. 1069 00:59:41,178 --> 00:59:42,637 It's been, uh-- 1070 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,804 it's had its ups and downs for the past three years. 1071 00:59:44,887 --> 00:59:46,553 And it's a new beginning for me. 1072 00:59:46,637 --> 00:59:48,845 Um, I know it's not over yet. 1073 00:59:48,929 --> 00:59:50,512 But, uh, we're going to continue fighting 1074 00:59:50,595 --> 00:59:52,637 and the truth will prevail. 1075 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,720 And, um, I just thank the-the DA's Office 1076 00:59:56,804 --> 01:00:00,720 and the judge to give me an open mind to, uh, 1077 01:00:00,804 --> 01:00:03,887 allow me to finally come home to my family. 1078 01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:07,053 And, uh, I just want to go home. 1079 01:00:07,136 --> 01:00:08,929 [male reporter] What do you say to the parents of the children 1080 01:00:09,011 --> 01:00:12,261 that feel like today is not a good day for them? 1081 01:00:12,345 --> 01:00:13,512 What do you say to them? 1082 01:00:13,595 --> 01:00:14,887 I say that, uh, 1083 01:00:14,970 --> 01:00:18,387 I'm sorry but I didn't do that to your child. 1084 01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:21,345 Um, some day I hope I-I can meet you and I can explain 1085 01:00:21,428 --> 01:00:23,762 to you that it wasn't me. 1086 01:00:23,845 --> 01:00:27,970 Um, I just hope that, uh, 1087 01:00:28,053 --> 01:00:30,220 you can have peace in this moment. 1088 01:00:30,303 --> 01:00:38,178 [soft dramatic music] 1089 01:00:38,261 --> 01:00:38,970 You're sweating. 1090 01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:41,261 Aww. 1091 01:00:46,303 --> 01:00:49,178 You're just overwhelmed with everything? 1092 01:00:49,762 --> 01:00:51,762 I can't even imagine what you're feeling. 1093 01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:54,845 We're getting real close. 1094 01:00:54,929 --> 01:00:57,095 You're with your family. 1095 01:00:57,178 --> 01:00:58,428 Everyone loves you. 1096 01:00:58,512 --> 01:00:59,762 It's hot out here today. 1097 01:00:59,845 --> 01:01:02,053 - That black shirt! - Need some ventilation. 1098 01:01:02,136 --> 01:01:03,637 I haven't been outside in a while. 1099 01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:05,178 [Gaebri] Okay. 1100 01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:09,679 [Jake] Let's get the hell out of Williamson County boys. 1101 01:01:11,345 --> 01:01:20,136 [soft dramatic music] 1102 01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:21,011 [man] Whoo! 1103 01:01:21,095 --> 01:01:22,220 There he is! 1104 01:01:22,303 --> 01:01:23,470 [man] Yeah. 1105 01:01:23,553 --> 01:01:24,970 [reporter] Convicted child sex offender Greg Kelley 1106 01:01:25,053 --> 01:01:27,428 walked out of jail on bond today-- 1107 01:01:27,512 --> 01:01:28,720 [man] Yes, he did. 1108 01:01:28,804 --> 01:01:29,929 [reporter] after three years behind bars. 1109 01:01:30,011 --> 01:01:33,220 Kelley was sentenced to 25 years in prison after a jury 1110 01:01:33,303 --> 01:01:37,804 found him guilty of committing lewd acts with a child in 2014. 1111 01:01:37,887 --> 01:01:41,637 But his lawyer filed a Writ of Habeas Corpus this spring 1112 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,303 to bring new evidence before a judge. 1113 01:01:44,387 --> 01:01:45,553 It's so surreal right now. 1114 01:01:45,637 --> 01:01:48,512 I-I couldn't process this. 1115 01:01:48,595 --> 01:01:50,178 It's been, uh-- 1116 01:01:50,261 --> 01:01:52,512 it's had its ups and downs for the past three years. 1117 01:01:52,595 --> 01:01:54,512 And it's a new beginning for me. 1118 01:01:54,595 --> 01:01:56,804 Um, I know it's not over yet. 1119 01:01:56,887 --> 01:01:58,303 But, uh, we're going to continue fighting and 1120 01:01:58,387 --> 01:02:00,053 the truth will prevail. 1121 01:02:00,136 --> 01:02:03,970 And, um, I just thank the-the DA's Office 1122 01:02:04,053 --> 01:02:08,762 and the judge to give me an open mind to, uh, 1123 01:02:08,845 --> 01:02:11,679 allow me to finally come home to my family. 1124 01:02:11,762 --> 01:02:14,261 And, uh, I just want to go home. 1125 01:02:16,553 --> 01:02:18,303 Welcome home, buddy. 1126 01:02:18,387 --> 01:02:19,303 [woman] Whoo! 1127 01:02:19,387 --> 01:02:21,428 [applause] 1128 01:02:21,512 --> 01:02:25,136 [soft dramatic music] 1129 01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:26,929 [splash] 1130 01:02:28,512 --> 01:02:29,095 [woman] Are you good? 1131 01:02:29,178 --> 01:02:29,887 I'm good. 1132 01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:31,261 [man] How's that freedom feel? 1133 01:02:31,345 --> 01:02:35,178 [soft dramatic music] 1134 01:02:35,261 --> 01:02:37,345 [cheering] 1135 01:02:37,428 --> 01:02:44,345 [soft dramatic music] 1136 01:02:44,428 --> 01:02:45,970 That is unbelievable. 1137 01:02:46,053 --> 01:02:48,261 I've never seen somebody do it on their first time. 1138 01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:51,595 Whooo! 1139 01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:53,720 [cheers] 1140 01:02:53,804 --> 01:02:56,387 [soft dramatic music] 1141 01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:57,512 Fight for Greg Kelley. 1142 01:02:57,595 --> 01:03:09,720 [cheering] 1143 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,387 [Keith] I'm not going to be smiling. 1144 01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:16,053 You know, with him walking out, he could be told by the 1145 01:03:16,136 --> 01:03:19,637 Court of Criminal Appeals: go right back into prison. 1146 01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:21,637 It's not over. 1147 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,303 It's not over until the CCA says it. 1148 01:03:25,428 --> 01:03:28,011 It's terrifying. 1149 01:03:35,553 --> 01:03:44,261 ♪ dramatic music ♪ 1150 01:03:44,345 --> 01:03:53,261 ♪ 1151 01:03:53,345 --> 01:03:57,762 ♪ 88972

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