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Juliet Miller, I'm charging you
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with the attempted murder of your husband.
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She's not some spontaneous domestic.
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It's a proper planned shot at murder.
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Tell me Juliet Miller isn't an abused woman.
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What does Jack say he did to you?
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That he raped me.
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No bruising, no tearing, no abrasions.
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Oh. So no rape.
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But there is a baby.
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Bingo.
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We're in trouble.
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We really badly want to help you.
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But we can't do it unless you start talking to us.
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On a scale of 1 to 10,
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where would you put the pain you feel about what's happened?
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Twelve.
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Joe said something in hospital before he lost consciousness.
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He said your name. Why would he do that?
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There is something, isn't there?
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Oi, grass.
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It's your husband.
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I'm afraid he's dead.
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Anna?
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It's a murder now.
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Is Jack coming?
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This isn't about the criminal proceedings.
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Thank you.
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I'm here at the request of the local authority.
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Why?
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To make an assessment.
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Is this about the baby?
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Sorry. Can you...
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Do you mind if you don't do that?
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What's that?
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Those...
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I don't mind a conversation, but silence...
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Mm.
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You should drink your tea.
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What are you worried about?
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The woman who brought the tea?
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Do you think she wants to hurt you in some way?
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She's poisoned it?
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Is that what you think?
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Tell me about Ella.
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I love her.
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She's my daughter.
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How do you think she feels about what's happened?
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She doesn't want to see me.
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She's angry with me.
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I think that will change.
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Come on. Let's go for lunch.
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Hello.
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Where is everyone?
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The governor's packet of Maltesers melted.
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I don't understand.
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It's 35 degrees in here, and it's only 33 outside.
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So he decided, on health and safety grounds,
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it'd be best for the whole prison to have a picnic.
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They'll be back in 10 minutes.
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Leave me alone.
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I've seen you looking at me.
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Aah.
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Oh, help. Oh, God.
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Help.
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Oh, God. Help me, please.
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Help!
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You're all right.
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Oh. Oh.
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Aw.
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Oh!
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You suppose it'll be enough?
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Ooh. Oh. Oh.
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You're fully dilated. She's ready to have this baby.
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It's ready to come.
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Push.
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Push! Push for me.
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We're gonna take a statement from you now,
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which is basically me asking you questions
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and you answering them.
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Then that gets written up
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to make it read like you're actually saying it
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without me here at all.
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Then later your evidence will be filmed,
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and that's what the jury will see.
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Then at the trial, you'll be cross-examined.
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By Mum.
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By a barrister.
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Mum's barrister.
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You won't be in the witness box.
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You'll be in a special room.
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The jury will be able to see you, but you won't...
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Does it have to be like that?
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What do you mean?
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She means can she do it all live in the witness box.
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You're 13 years old.
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He's my dad.
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You'll be shown around the court
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before the trial begins, and...
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we could probably arrange for you to meet the judge.
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Which would help. Wouldn't it, Flo?
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You're so good at this.
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Hello.
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What do you want?
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Why are you here?
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To see you and the baby.
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Is that all?
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I would've been here for the birth
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if you'd given us some notice.
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Ella came out quickly too.
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She was born at home.
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Joe...
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Joe was there.
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Will you ask Ella to come and see her baby sister?
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I'll ask her.
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Thank you.
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We're finding you a place on a mother-and-baby unit.
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You'll have to go in front of a board
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to decide if you're suitable.
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What would not be suitable?
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History of drug use, disruptive behavior.
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You'll be fine.
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All right.
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I'm gonna take you through step by step
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everything that happened.
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Okay.
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But you don't have to do it like that if you don't want.
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And we can start wherever you like.
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Like where?
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Well...
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you could tell us about your dad.
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What kind of a father he was.
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How much you miss him.
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They won't let her do it.
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No, I think they will.
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It's not up to us... or her.
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I think a psych will say that she's Gillick-competent.
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What?
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It's the name they give
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when they decide whether a child can go live in a box.
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What are you, a lawyer all of a sudden?
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No. I looked it up.
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- I know what you're doing. - What?
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You're grooming her.
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No. Don't use that word.
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Helping her to stay angry
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so she puts on a good show for the jury.
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Grooming.
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Oh, so you think she's actually like that, do you?
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What, all very calm and together,
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having really quite recently
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watched her mother murder her father with a kitchen knife?
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Would that be the real Ella Miller in there?
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Would it, Flo?
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Hello.
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Okay. Thanks.
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No places.
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What about Styal?
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- Full. - She's three hours old.
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It's not a good idea in our job to get in too close.
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That used to be the whole point in our job.
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I happen to think it's in the best interest of tiny babies
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to be with their mothers.
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You're shouting too much, Norma.
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We're in the same building, you and me.
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Why don't you take a little time to reflect on your performance?
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- Hmm? - What did you say to me?
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You heard.
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Fresh feet.
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Clear brain.
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You've kept all this...
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and his name on the board outside.
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The thing about him being dead
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is that a tiny part of me thinks it isn't true.
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Tell me about his lists.
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Race times.
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Broken down into 5K splits for every race he ran.
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Joe Miller the obsessive.
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That'd be a line to take if I were defense counsel.
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We're all train spotters, ain't we?
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We love facts and league tables, us boys.
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Did you see much of him in court?
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He could really do people over.
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I don't think anyone he cross-examined
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was ever the same again.
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Even top class villains.
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You don't mind telling me things that might work against Joe?
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It all gets one-dimensional when it goes to trial.
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But you and me, we can have a proper conversation about him.
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I miss him too much not to talk about him properly.
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How would you describe your relationship?
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I loved him.
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What does that mean?
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I had faith in him.
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What about Joe at home?
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My honest opinion?
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He was a saint.
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You know what worries me?
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What she'll pull at trial.
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Juliet the victim.
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And how much do we love a victim?
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I'm scared she'll get off, Mr. Faber.
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Were you at the Miller house a lot?
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No. She didn't like people there.
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Who told you that?
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He did.
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How do you know he was a saint if you were never there?
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I know everything about everyone...
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or I am nothing.
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How is she?
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Better. She's quieter.
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You should be careful with that.
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What do you mean?
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Ella's anesthetizing herself.
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Underneath, she's screaming.
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Isn't that a bit oversimplified?
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It's very common for foster families to encourage quietness
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'cause it makes life easier for them.
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Usually, they don't know they're doing it.
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What are we supposed to do,
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shake her up, force her to be unhappy?
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Keep talking.
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Is this why I'm here?
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Juliet's had her baby.
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Great. Good.
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Is she all right?
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A girl... In case you were wondering.
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It doesn't sound like Ella.
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It's a witness statement.
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They make everyone sound like police officers.
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Has Ella ever "proceeded down the stairs" in her life?
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Never.
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Must have been so hard for her having a depressed mum.
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Or, put it another way, it was hard for her having a father
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who made her mother feel depressed...
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isolated, small.
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Is that unfair?
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Joe's dead.
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He's not in charge anymore.
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You are.
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And you've got responsibilities.
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Because Joe is dead... our options are different.
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If you were to tell me that I'm right...
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the way he behaved made you feel isolated, depressed...
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then the jury would have to consider
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whether you'd been provoked into doing what you did.
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I'm just here to tell you about the law.
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That's my job.
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Whether or not we use provocation as a defense
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is completely down to you and what you tell me.
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I can't control that.
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She's beautiful.
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I've got something to tell you.
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You've got a little sister.
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We can go and see her.
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Would you like that?
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Ella, I can't be like your dad.
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But you can talk to me if you want to.
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What's he doing? It's...
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Sir?
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All this from his mobile phone.
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Why would he do that?
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Have you interviewed Juliet's friends?
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She hasn't got any.
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Doesn't that bother you?
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When we charged her, she asked if she could clean her teeth.
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Do women like that have friends?
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What did Ella say about her mum not having friends?
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We didn't ask her.
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Who was doing the questions?
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Man to man, outside of the job...
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Don't do that in front of my wife.
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What's that?
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Criticize me, sir.
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If you're so convinced
276
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,106
Juliet Miller is a cold-blooded murderer,
277
00:21:23,130 --> 00:21:25,576
why are you against me looking at Joe?
278
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,676
I don't understand.
279
00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,146
Are you scared I might find something?
280
00:21:28,170 --> 00:21:29,676
Scared? What are you talking about?
281
00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,306
I can't think how else to explain
282
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your strength of feeling.
283
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,730
Don't you want to know why she did it?
284
00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:38,576
If you start caring about why people do
285
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,406
what they do to each other, you'll go mad.
286
00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:42,630
We're only policemen, boss.
287
00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:45,306
Is that what you really think?
288
00:21:45,330 --> 00:21:47,000
I'm your fool, remember.
289
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Fools tell the truth.
290
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:03,176
Every bed
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00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,346
in every mother-and-baby unit in the country is full.
292
00:22:06,370 --> 00:22:07,776
We haven't told her.
293
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,606
What does this all actually mean?
294
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Baby will go into temporary care.
295
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,200
As a rule, we like to try and place siblings together.
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They're asleep.
297
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,406
I shouldn't... I don't want to disturb them.
298
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:21,576
I'll come back in the morning.
299
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,530
Okay.
300
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,070
Okay.
301
00:22:39,670 --> 00:22:41,230
It's half past 9:00.
302
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,346
What are you doing?
303
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:44,347
I'm front-loading.
304
00:22:44,371 --> 00:22:46,076
Front-loading?
305
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:48,346
My report for the board on Juliet Miller.
306
00:22:48,370 --> 00:22:50,376
If a place comes up in a mother-and-baby unit,
307
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,706
I want to be ready.
308
00:22:51,730 --> 00:22:54,476
Never heard you use a term like "front-loading" before.
309
00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,776
I reflected on my performance,
310
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,146
and I'm aiming at a more moderated approach
311
00:22:59,170 --> 00:23:01,170
to my goal-achieving.
312
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:21,470
Drug mule.
313
00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:25,430
Half a million pounds' worth of heroin through Heathrow.
314
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:29,300
Why the hell should she get a place ahead of you?
315
00:24:38,770 --> 00:24:40,006
The Millers' car.
316
00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:43,076
Taken 50 yards from Dominic Rose's house.
317
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:44,007
By?
318
00:24:44,031 --> 00:24:46,106
A traffic warden who was about to slap a ticket on it.
319
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:47,606
- When? - Day of the stabbing.
320
00:24:47,630 --> 00:24:49,376
Joe was in court when this was taken.
321
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,346
The woman who never went out went out.
322
00:24:51,370 --> 00:24:52,676
What was she doing there?
323
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:55,000
- I'll see you later, boss. - Wait.
324
00:24:55,670 --> 00:24:57,406
Yeah. The Joe Miller mobile photographs.
325
00:24:57,430 --> 00:25:00,046
Do we have the time of day they were taken?
326
00:25:00,070 --> 00:25:03,006
Good. Get me March 9th, the day of the stabbing.
327
00:25:03,030 --> 00:25:04,730
I'm coming with you.
328
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:20,176
What are you doing? You're not going in with her.
329
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,746
- Yes. - Oh, don't be ridiculous.
330
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,746
- What's she gonna do? - You'd be amazed.
331
00:25:23,770 --> 00:25:25,146
Amaze me.
332
00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:26,706
We had one woman faking four hours of labor,
333
00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:28,406
then making a run for it.
334
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:29,446
Oh.
335
00:25:29,470 --> 00:25:31,476
Juliet just pretended to give birth.
336
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,546
The big tear in her perineum was part of a cunning escape plan.
337
00:25:34,570 --> 00:25:37,006
Listen. We'll do our job, right? You do yours.
338
00:25:37,030 --> 00:25:38,007
Go on.
339
00:25:38,031 --> 00:25:40,206
Have you any idea how difficult it is trying to pee
340
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:41,510
with 10 stitches in your vagina?
341
00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:47,570
My client actually needs to take a poo.
342
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,246
Right. Now, she does.
343
00:25:50,270 --> 00:25:51,430
Juliet.
344
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:53,630
Hello.
345
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:55,776
Hello.
346
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,270
Well done.
347
00:25:57,730 --> 00:25:59,046
Thank you.
348
00:25:59,070 --> 00:26:00,746
- How long are... - As soon as I'm ready,
349
00:26:00,770 --> 00:26:03,346
they'll send us to a mother-and-baby unit.
350
00:26:03,370 --> 00:26:04,600
Come on.
351
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,346
What?
352
00:26:12,370 --> 00:26:15,306
Oh, there's no way we're taking the baby.
353
00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:18,030
That's too much to ask of my family.
354
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:22,000
We used to have them over a lot.
355
00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:25,200
And the girls have always been friends.
356
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:28,000
You said "used to"?
357
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:30,000
Yes.
358
00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:33,106
Before Juliet became depressed?
359
00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:34,530
Actually, it was Joe.
360
00:26:35,370 --> 00:26:37,030
What do you mean?
361
00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:39,676
He was the kind of man who you could go to dinner with
362
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:42,776
and come away thinking he was the most urbane,
363
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,376
amusing man alive.
364
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,746
And the second time, the same.
365
00:26:46,770 --> 00:26:50,030
But by the fifth time, you never wanted to see him again.
366
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:53,130
Charm wears thin.
367
00:26:54,130 --> 00:26:57,006
Why didn't you carry on seeing Juliet?
368
00:26:57,030 --> 00:27:01,770
She was very finely tuned to everything concerning Joe.
369
00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:05,400
She sensed it when I got tired of him.
370
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:09,500
She was a loyal wife.
371
00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:12,730
When did you last speak to her?
372
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:17,070
She stopped going out about a year ago.
373
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,606
Mrs. Rose?
374
00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:24,030
I-I don't know. Uh...
375
00:27:24,770 --> 00:27:27,176
The afternoon before it all happened,
376
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,270
I was at home, and the phone rang.
377
00:27:29,770 --> 00:27:31,270
Twice, I think.
378
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:34,200
And when I answered it, the caller hung up.
379
00:27:36,570 --> 00:27:38,170
I think it was Juliet.
380
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:41,430
Was Dominic home?
381
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:44,130
He came home, yes.
382
00:27:45,770 --> 00:27:47,330
Did you go out?
383
00:27:48,430 --> 00:27:50,300
I went swimming.
384
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:22,770
I have to take the baby.
385
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,770
How long for?
386
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,400
I can't say.
387
00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:33,130
How long could it be?
388
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:35,170
We just don't know.
389
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:39,076
Can I fight this?
390
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,770
There are no places. There's nothing to fight.
391
00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:45,100
Now?
392
00:29:45,670 --> 00:29:47,430
There's no choice.
393
00:29:48,530 --> 00:29:50,570
Right now?
394
00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:51,176
That policeman wants to talk to you.
395
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,076
What did he want?
396
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,670
I don't know, really.
397
00:30:59,470 --> 00:31:01,130
I told him about the calls.
398
00:31:01,670 --> 00:31:03,646
What calls?
399
00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:05,476
The day it happened, someone kept phoning
400
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:08,300
and then hanging up when I answered.
401
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,230
I think it was Juliet.
402
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:19,270
Are you gonna ring him?
403
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:24,106
Uh... no.
404
00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:26,346
I think I'll pop down to the police station.
405
00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:28,270
I don't want Ella and Kate to...
406
00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:40,070
Trigger moments, we call them.
407
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:43,070
Would you tell me about it?
408
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:46,330
Can you manage that?
409
00:31:49,770 --> 00:31:54,246
Where were you when the memory was triggered?
410
00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:56,230
Just on the street.
411
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,070
Did anyone speak to you?
412
00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:04,670
Did you overhear anything?
413
00:32:08,030 --> 00:32:10,030
Any other noises?
414
00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:12,470
Smells?
415
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,670
There was a smell?
416
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,670
Meat.
417
00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:24,570
A butcher?
418
00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:32,330
Blood.
419
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,130
Can you look at me?
420
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:04,430
Don't look away.
421
00:33:06,670 --> 00:33:08,400
You can do it.
422
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:14,330
He's lying on the bed.
423
00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:20,030
And he's bleeding.
424
00:33:23,230 --> 00:33:25,430
And I try to stop it, but it just...
425
00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:27,646
soaks through.
426
00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:30,170
I can't stop Daddy bleeding.
427
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,600
What's the feeling that goes with it?
428
00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:39,630
My stomach drops.
429
00:33:43,530 --> 00:33:45,700
My heart feels fast.
430
00:33:47,270 --> 00:33:49,406
Give me a picture of happy Dad.
431
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:51,200
It doesn't matter what.
432
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,400
We used to go bodyboarding at St. Ives.
433
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:59,570
Once...
434
00:34:02,030 --> 00:34:04,200
this one big wave...
435
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:16,600
came right up onto the beach.
436
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:24,170
How did it feel?
437
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:29,200
I didn't know he'd caught it until we were both just...
438
00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:32,070
just there.
439
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:38,270
Together.
440
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:45,030
It made me feel happy and safe.
441
00:34:46,630 --> 00:34:50,670
We're gonna get those feelings back for you.
442
00:34:58,670 --> 00:35:00,470
Okay. Thanks.
443
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,546
There's a place, but the board can't sit until next week.
444
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:07,046
Why can't they do it today?
445
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:09,406
Outside my field of influence. It's a prison thing.
446
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:10,706
Well, just pick up the phone.
447
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:13,076
Make all the multi-agency stuff bloody well work
448
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:14,746
and get a board convened now.
449
00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:17,000
You probably know the prison governor.
450
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:19,076
You do know the prison governor.
451
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:21,470
Don't bully me.
452
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:31,147
3:00
453
00:35:31,171 --> 00:35:32,576
Thank you.
454
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,230
Don't be late.
455
00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:50,006
There's a place. I'm so sorry.
456
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:52,430
- But you need to do the board. - When?
457
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,446
You said you might harm yourself.
458
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:13,006
No. I... I don't think so.
459
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:15,346
We've got a record of it when you came through reception.
460
00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:17,006
Oh. Um, no.
461
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:19,006
I...
462
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:20,446
I-I just said that.
463
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:22,146
You just said it?
464
00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:24,430
- I didn't mean it. - Well, what did you mean?
465
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:28,370
I don't know.
466
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:30,376
- Was it a lie? - No.
467
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,630
So why did you say it?
468
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,406
I was frightened.
469
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:36,770
- Are you lying to us? - No.
470
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:43,630
No.
471
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:50,270
Anything you'd like to add?
472
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:54,046
I don't think I could go on without my baby.
473
00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:55,630
Sorry. We don't do blackmail.
474
00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:59,500
It's how I feel.
475
00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:30,246
She doesn't take drugs. She's not an alcoholic.
476
00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:33,006
She's had a baby before. She'd be a good influence.
477
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:34,200
What more do you want?
478
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,306
So she came to see you on the Monday afternoon,
479
00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:14,746
about 2:25.
480
00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:16,076
She wanted to talk to me
481
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,346
about the antidepressant she was taking.
482
00:38:18,370 --> 00:38:20,476
You haven't told us about this before.
483
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:22,606
Oh, didn't seem all that relevant.
484
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:26,106
So why at your house and not at the surgery?
485
00:38:26,130 --> 00:38:27,500
She's a friend.
486
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,246
Just an old-fashioned house call.
487
00:38:30,270 --> 00:38:31,270
If you like.
488
00:38:32,670 --> 00:38:35,430
Except they're usually at the patient's house.
489
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,606
So why your house?
490
00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:42,330
I don't know. No reason, really.
491
00:38:45,370 --> 00:38:47,630
You've obviously spoken about this at home.
492
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,500
With your wife.
493
00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:54,500
Yeah.
494
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,500
Lady Macbeth was sleeping with the doctor.
495
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:08,576
Or at the least she was trying to.
496
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,470
Are you sure?
497
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:13,600
No.
498
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:19,800
Ah.
499
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:22,630
"Police and Thieves."
500
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:26,706
"Bankrobber." "I Fought the Law."
501
00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:30,270
Oh, they were really into the criminal justice system.
502
00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:38,430
I don't want to have sex tonight.
503
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:42,576
Well, it's a bit like doing the lottery
504
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,030
with the same numbers each week.
505
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:48,676
The one night you don't do it...
506
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,676
♫ And all the crimes committed ♫
507
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:54,176
♫ A-day by day... ♫
508
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,506
You're angry with me.
509
00:39:55,530 --> 00:39:56,800
No.
510
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:01,700
What's the matter?
511
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:07,300
Don't know.
512
00:40:09,070 --> 00:40:12,006
♫ Hear what I say ♫
513
00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:13,276
♫ Ay, hey, hey, hey, hey... ♫
514
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:14,300
Mnh-mnh.
515
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:18,030
Five more minutes, Flo Flo.
516
00:40:31,330 --> 00:40:32,700
Come in.
517
00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:37,000
Your godfather's here.
518
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,106
Is it all right if I, uh, sit in on this one?
519
00:40:47,130 --> 00:40:49,600
No. This is a one-to-one.
520
00:41:01,630 --> 00:41:04,630
My dad was a Kindertransport boy.
521
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,176
Never told anyone this.
522
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,170
You know what that means?
523
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:17,006
Ten thousand Jewish children
524
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:20,006
were allowed to leave Nazi Germany and Austria in 1939
525
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:21,370
to come to Britain.
526
00:41:22,570 --> 00:41:25,506
But if they wanted to come,
527
00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:28,470
they had to leave without their parents.
528
00:41:29,770 --> 00:41:32,776
Now, my father's mum and dad decided
529
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,200
he was old enough to make a decision.
530
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:38,430
To leave them or not.
531
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,500
It was a terrible thing to ask a boy to do.
532
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,030
But it was the making of him.
533
00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:48,070
And they knew that.
534
00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:53,070
And that day, they gave him his adult life.
535
00:41:54,700 --> 00:42:00,270
Now, you... you carry on being brave, Ella.
536
00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:05,176
And when this trial starts, you go into that courtroom,
537
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,306
you look everyone in the eye,
538
00:42:08,330 --> 00:42:12,430
and you let that jury know that you are your father's daughter.
539
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,630
Look at me.
540
00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:27,530
I have so much respect for you.
541
00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:41,506
We have to ask...
542
00:42:41,530 --> 00:42:44,176
Is a very young baby safe in the care of this woman
543
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,106
when we don't know what makes her violent?
544
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:47,400
So what's the answer?
545
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:50,546
Either this was an unprovoked attack or it was provoked.
546
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:53,246
If it was unprovoked, then she isn't safe with children.
547
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:56,006
But our picture of Juliet is evolving.
548
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:58,376
It's a question of careful monitoring
549
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,776
to see how she responds to her circumstances.
550
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,176
Wait. Wait. Why are we holding off here?
551
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,400
What's there to evolve?
552
00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:06,976
There's maybe an outside chance of manslaughter,
553
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,106
but what does that do?
554
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:11,130
Still leaves us with killer mum.
555
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:18,730
So my question is, can we say the "A" word here?
556
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,300
Are we aiming for adoption or are we all too shy to say it?
557
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,206
One step at a time.
558
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:28,006
Let's see how she responds
559
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:29,976
to being in the family court tomorrow.
560
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,776
So we fuck her up, then decide how much more to fuck her up
561
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,706
based on how she reacts to us fucking her up?
562
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:37,470
I don't think that sort of language is very useful.
563
00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:39,206
Why are you so pro-Mum?
564
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:41,470
I'm not. I'm pro-baby.
565
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:45,330
We were gonna go out.
566
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,176
Did you want to come?
567
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,330
I'm fine. Thanks.
568
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:52,030
Are you okay?
569
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,200
My dad says your mum's great, whatever anyone says about her.
570
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,430
Did he tell you to say that?
571
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:02,270
No.
572
00:44:11,770 --> 00:44:13,570
Was the knife right in?
573
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Yes.
574
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:23,330
Up to the handle?
575
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:27,630
Yes.
576
00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:30,570
Did you see her do it?
577
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:36,500
Yeah.
578
00:44:42,670 --> 00:44:44,470
Would you stop?
579
00:44:45,330 --> 00:44:46,730
What?
580
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,430
Work.
581
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:52,630
If you get pregnant.
582
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:56,170
I don't want to talk about it.
583
00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:04,670
I know it seems like bad luck, but I...
584
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:07,000
I want to. Sorry.
585
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:10,070
You could be pregnant right now.
586
00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:14,100
Imagine.
587
00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:19,330
Baby Flo.
588
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:22,030
Imagine that.
589
00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:38,076
♫ Hush, little baby ♫
590
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:40,776
♫ Don't say a word ♫
591
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:47,000
♫ Mama's gonna buy you a mockingbird ♫
592
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:53,570
♫ If that mockingbird don't sing ♫
593
00:45:56,230 --> 00:46:01,600
♫ Mama's gonna buy you a diamond ring ♫
594
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,800
♫ And if that diamond ring... ♫
595
00:46:14,330 --> 00:46:15,530
Daddy!
596
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:17,977
Daddy!
597
00:46:18,001 --> 00:46:20,346
I want to sleep in the spare room.
598
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:22,106
Mum!
599
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:24,146
I don't think that would be good for Ella.
600
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:26,746
- She might feel rejected. - Daddy!
601
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:28,446
And what about Kate?
602
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:30,630
This isn't fair on her.
603
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:40,300
Daddy!
604
00:46:41,230 --> 00:46:43,270
Daddy!
605
00:46:44,170 --> 00:46:46,430
Mum! Mum!
606
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:49,746
The family court isn't like the crown court.
607
00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:52,576
It's more informal, relaxed.
608
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,700
They just need to know that you're not a risk to your baby.
609
00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:59,346
We know that you wouldn't, but we need to convince them
610
00:46:59,370 --> 00:47:02,030
that you're not in any way likely to hurt her.
611
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:05,030
Why would I hurt her?
612
00:47:05,530 --> 00:47:07,200
Look at her.
613
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:11,700
Tell them I could never harm my baby.
614
00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:15,246
There's a difference between me telling the judge
615
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:16,576
and her hearing it from you.
616
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,776
It's so much stronger if you tell her.
617
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,646
What I say isn't... Isn't evidence.
618
00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:22,030
It's just argument.
619
00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:25,800
I-I don't know if I can.
620
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,246
- What was Joe doing to Ella? - What?
621
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:33,276
Well, you told Ella that you did it for her.
622
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:34,346
Why was that?
623
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:36,106
Was it something that you were frightened
624
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:38,470
that he was gonna start doing to her?
625
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:43,270
Which means it was something that he was doing to you?
626
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:46,446
You need to help yourself here, Juliet.
627
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:47,706
You need to go into court
628
00:47:47,730 --> 00:47:50,746
and tell that judge all about your relationship with Joe.
629
00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:52,200
We can't do that for you.
630
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,076
I can't.
631
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:56,506
Why?
632
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:58,246
Because Ella will find out what you say?
633
00:47:58,270 --> 00:48:00,146
And what's wrong with that?
634
00:48:00,170 --> 00:48:02,346
I haven't stopped being her mother.
635
00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:04,106
Do you want to keep this baby?
636
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:05,976
Look, the worst thing that can happen here
637
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,146
is that you come away thinking
638
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:09,206
you haven't done everything in your power
639
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:12,306
to convince this court that you are not a risk to this baby.
640
00:48:12,330 --> 00:48:16,600
You're gonna have to say things that upset people... even Ella.
641
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,406
Do you suffer from feelings of paranoia?
642
00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:26,446
My client cannot be expected to comment
643
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:28,000
on a medical condition.
644
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,170
Do you believe another prisoner is trying to poison you?
645
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:34,800
I don't know.
646
00:48:35,470 --> 00:48:37,346
Perhaps.
647
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:39,206
You don't know what's it like in prison.
648
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:40,376
It's...
649
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,576
- Hard? - Yeah. Mm.
650
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,646
Emotionally exhausting, I should imagine.
651
00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:46,246
Mm.
652
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:48,746
Do you sometimes think about suicide?
653
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:49,770
No.
654
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:54,406
That's not what you told the prison reception officer, is it?
655
00:48:54,430 --> 00:48:56,400
I didn't have my baby then.
656
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,476
What are you suggesting?
657
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:02,176
Do you think that I don't love her?
658
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,406
Well, that's not the issue.
659
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:05,506
- Is that what you're saying? - Ms. Miller.
660
00:49:05,530 --> 00:49:07,176
Why won't you answer my question?
661
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,446
The question is whether you pose a risk to your baby.
662
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:12,700
I could never harm her.
663
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:14,570
I love her.
664
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:17,800
And did you love your husband?
665
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:27,000
Mm.
666
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:52,630
She hasn't been in control.
667
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:56,330
These things have been happening to her.
668
00:49:58,230 --> 00:50:01,106
She doesn't choose to be in prison.
669
00:50:01,130 --> 00:50:04,306
She can't help it that women's prisons are hell on earth.
670
00:50:04,330 --> 00:50:05,976
I'm not a jury, Ms. Klein.
671
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,076
You might be able to showboat at the Old Bailey,
672
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:10,606
but not in my court.
673
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:12,206
I apologize, Your Honor.
674
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:13,646
I'm simply asking you to look beyond
675
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:16,476
what would be true of any woman in Juliet Miller's position.
676
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:18,076
At what?
677
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:20,100
I can't imagine evidence.
678
00:50:21,130 --> 00:50:23,770
Does she say she is not paranoid?
679
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,606
That she didn't stab her husband with a kitchen knife
680
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:27,800
whilst he was in bed?
681
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:32,070
Ms. Klein?
682
00:50:45,730 --> 00:50:46,730
No.
683
00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:08,676
Where is she?
684
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:10,706
The maternity nurse is bringing her in.
685
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:11,730
It's fine.
686
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:15,546
Are they going to take her away?
687
00:51:15,570 --> 00:51:17,570
No. This is very early days.
688
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:20,476
He's just decided the threshold criteria has been met
689
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:23,476
and you... you do pose a risk to the baby.
690
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,046
What does it mean?
691
00:51:25,070 --> 00:51:27,000
It means no one's gonna take her away now.
692
00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:30,570
I want to see her. Where is she?
693
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:33,446
I've never lied to you. I'm not gonna start now.
694
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:36,176
What happened today should have no bearing on the final hearing.
695
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,246
But these things gain momentum.
696
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:41,070
Everyone pretends they don't, but they do.
697
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:44,306
People's minds, once they start going in one direction,
698
00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:46,030
it's hard to change track.
699
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:56,370
What do you think? Is that good? Huh?
700
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,376
Juliet, listen.
701
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,377
At the final hearing,
702
00:51:59,401 --> 00:52:02,546
what happens to your baby is entirely up for grabs.
703
00:52:02,570 --> 00:52:05,200
Providing you're not starting a life sentence for murder.
704
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:09,400
If you want to keep your baby...
705
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,306
you need to get off on the murder.
706
00:52:13,330 --> 00:52:15,600
That's our whole focus now.
707
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:19,576
And if you want to get off the murder,
708
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,300
you need to tell us what Joe did to you.
709
00:52:29,570 --> 00:52:31,530
Van's here, ladies.
710
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:33,800
Let's go.
711
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,476
It will give her the stimulus she's missing in here.
712
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:53,306
Sunshine. Flowers. Everything.
713
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:56,070
It's only 24 hours.
714
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:08,576
When baby's away, it's hard to get the milk going
715
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,676
because the triggers are missing... her touch, her cry.
716
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:15,430
So the photo helps.
717
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:24,546
They're very nice women, and it's what's best for baby.
718
00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:26,730
And that's what counts, isn't it?
719
00:53:31,330 --> 00:53:32,800
Here we go.
720
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:34,530
Here we go.
721
00:53:58,170 --> 00:54:01,176
Upsets the other mothers seeing a mum missing her baby.
722
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,646
So 24 hours back here.
723
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:05,176
Don't worry.
724
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,606
The time flies.
725
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:10,530
And you're back in your old cell with an old friend.
726
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:21,270
Angela?
727
00:54:39,070 --> 00:54:41,606
Norma was kind of suggesting
728
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:44,206
that we needed to know that he was talking to Ella.
729
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:45,506
But she didn't say why?
730
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:46,477
No.
731
00:54:46,501 --> 00:54:49,306
She's a very experienced social worker.
732
00:54:49,330 --> 00:54:51,646
Norma? What about her?
733
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:54,546
She wants us to know that Saul the clerk spends time with Ella.
734
00:54:54,570 --> 00:54:56,576
Yeah. I know. He does.
735
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:57,606
Why?
736
00:54:57,630 --> 00:55:00,506
Well, why shouldn't he? He's... He's her godfather.
737
00:55:00,530 --> 00:55:04,146
Don't you think he could just be a little bit pro-Joe?
738
00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:05,706
For a man as sentimental as Saul,
739
00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:07,446
preserving the memory of a dead loved one
740
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,200
is as close to happiness as it gets.
741
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:11,476
Happiness?
742
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:13,976
What are you talking about? He's dead!
743
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,006
A man is dead!
744
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:17,376
Oh, what is this?
745
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,976
You think that woman should get to look after her kids?
746
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,230
What's the matter with you?
747
00:55:22,170 --> 00:55:23,506
You've stopped being police officers?
748
00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:25,006
You all social workers now?
749
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:26,446
- That's enough. - No. She's going down.
750
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:27,476
That's not up to you.
751
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:28,976
With the greatest of respect, sir,
752
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,676
I think it's about time you stop looking at your navel
753
00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:33,300
and start becoming a policeman again.
754
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:54,700
Wiggle your toes for me, Ange.
755
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,430
Angela.
756
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:23,070
I'm so sorry, Ange.
757
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:28,730
Angela?
758
00:56:30,370 --> 00:56:31,776
Ange. Ange.
759
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,476
An... Oh.
760
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:34,646
Help!
761
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:35,477
Angela.
762
00:56:35,501 --> 00:56:37,100
Help me!
763
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,646
Help me!
764
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:41,576
Help! Help!
765
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,170
Help!
766
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:49,070
Help!
767
00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:52,270
Help!
768
00:56:55,070 --> 00:56:58,576
Just remember... She's not like any other client.
769
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,646
Abused women are different.
770
00:57:00,670 --> 00:57:04,076
There are reasons for what I did.
771
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:06,030
What reasons?
772
00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:08,046
Why did you kill Dad?
773
00:57:08,070 --> 00:57:09,206
Is it a good idea
774
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:11,706
for a 13-year-old girl to give evidence live in a witness box
775
00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:13,206
about the violent death of her father?
776
00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:14,706
He said, "I love you."
777
00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:16,606
How can you be so sure of this?
778
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:19,106
'Cause it was the last thing I ever heard Daddy say.
779
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:20,446
Use your common sense.
780
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:22,446
And when you do that, there's only one verdict
781
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:24,300
you can properly return.
782
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,330
Guilty as charged.
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