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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,368 -Jury selection for the trial of Robert Chambers 2 00:00:02,403 --> 00:00:03,869 was scheduled to begin today. 3 00:00:03,904 --> 00:00:06,739 -This was one of the most high-profile trials 4 00:00:06,774 --> 00:00:07,906 in New York history. 5 00:00:07,942 --> 00:00:09,375 It just exploded. 6 00:00:09,410 --> 00:00:11,744 It was like a tsunami. 7 00:00:11,779 --> 00:00:14,179 -In the coming weeks, the agony for both families 8 00:00:14,215 --> 00:00:16,749 will undoubtedly increase. 9 00:00:16,784 --> 00:00:20,152 -I wasn't even thinking I could go to the trial. 10 00:00:20,187 --> 00:00:23,355 -Jack Litman planted a seed in the media 11 00:00:23,391 --> 00:00:28,160 that Robert Chambers was a devout Irish Catholic, 12 00:00:28,195 --> 00:00:30,996 that Jennifer Levin was fast and loose. 13 00:00:31,032 --> 00:00:33,432 -By dragging it out, the word "sex diary" became 14 00:00:33,467 --> 00:00:37,002 as well-known to the public as "rough sex." 15 00:00:37,038 --> 00:00:41,206 Judge Bell stunned us by saying DNA isn't reliable. 16 00:00:41,242 --> 00:00:43,008 -Whatever we came up with 17 00:00:43,044 --> 00:00:45,210 was not allowed into the court. 18 00:00:45,246 --> 00:00:47,679 Were we frustrated? Totally! 19 00:00:47,715 --> 00:00:50,215 -We did not have a clear motive. 20 00:00:50,251 --> 00:00:53,185 We were working from nothing. 21 00:00:53,220 --> 00:01:00,025 ♪♪ 22 00:01:00,061 --> 00:01:06,932 ♪♪ 23 00:01:08,936 --> 00:01:11,904 -I never really had an understanding 24 00:01:11,939 --> 00:01:14,039 of Robert Chambers. 25 00:01:14,075 --> 00:01:15,908 Why did he kill her? 26 00:01:15,943 --> 00:01:17,409 Why? Why did this happen? 27 00:01:17,445 --> 00:01:19,378 We have to look for answers. 28 00:01:19,413 --> 00:01:21,747 So, then when the Preppy Murder trial starts, 29 00:01:21,782 --> 00:01:24,049 I think, "Ah! Finally!" 30 00:01:24,085 --> 00:01:27,753 -The case known as the Preppy Murder trial 31 00:01:27,788 --> 00:01:29,321 began 19 months ago 32 00:01:29,356 --> 00:01:31,623 when the body of 18-year-old Jennifer Levin was found 33 00:01:31,659 --> 00:01:34,426 behind the Metropolitan Museum in Central Park. 34 00:01:34,462 --> 00:01:35,961 -It was a sweltering August morning 35 00:01:35,996 --> 00:01:37,262 a year and a half ago. 36 00:01:37,298 --> 00:01:39,498 Jennifer Levin's life ended violently. 37 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:42,568 -The Robert Chambers murder trial officially began today. 38 00:01:42,603 --> 00:01:45,237 This trial is expected to last six to eight weeks. 39 00:01:45,272 --> 00:01:47,573 -Hey, hey, hey! [Indistinct talking] 40 00:01:47,608 --> 00:01:49,174 -Are you guilty of murder? 41 00:01:49,210 --> 00:01:51,343 -I couldn't believe the amount of press 42 00:01:51,378 --> 00:01:53,312 that was at this trial, 43 00:01:53,347 --> 00:01:54,980 from all over the world. 44 00:01:55,015 --> 00:01:57,649 [Camera shutters click] 45 00:01:57,685 --> 00:01:59,952 -The 6'4" 20-year-old arrived 46 00:01:59,987 --> 00:02:01,920 with his lawyer, Jack Litman. 47 00:02:01,956 --> 00:02:03,789 Present in the courtroom were his parents 48 00:02:03,824 --> 00:02:06,492 and, at least, two young friends. 49 00:02:06,527 --> 00:02:09,862 -There's been some question of how the Chambers family afforded 50 00:02:09,897 --> 00:02:13,198 to retain a fancy lawyer like Jack Litman. 51 00:02:13,234 --> 00:02:15,934 My understanding is that whatever the Chambers family 52 00:02:15,970 --> 00:02:19,138 was able to do for legal fees, Jack accepted. 53 00:02:19,173 --> 00:02:22,941 This was a challenging, fascinating, high-profile case, 54 00:02:22,977 --> 00:02:25,043 and he wanted it. 55 00:02:25,079 --> 00:02:28,046 -Through much of today, Ellen Levin, Jennifer's mother, 56 00:02:28,082 --> 00:02:31,483 held the hand of her other daughter. 57 00:02:31,519 --> 00:02:36,321 -It was an amazingly tense time for us. 58 00:02:36,357 --> 00:02:39,491 It's bad enough to lose somebody to a violent crime, 59 00:02:39,527 --> 00:02:42,194 but then it's that much worse 60 00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:45,531 to go through a horrible trial. 61 00:02:45,566 --> 00:02:47,466 ♪♪ 62 00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:51,136 -We were suddenly thrust into being like, in a sick way, 63 00:02:51,172 --> 00:02:52,371 some kind of celebrities, you know? 64 00:02:52,406 --> 00:02:54,139 Like, "There's the mother! 65 00:02:54,175 --> 00:02:56,141 There's the father! There's the sister!" 66 00:02:56,177 --> 00:02:57,743 We couldn't grieve. 67 00:02:57,778 --> 00:02:59,344 -Jennifer's father, Steve, 68 00:02:59,380 --> 00:03:00,913 cried when his daughter's death 69 00:03:00,948 --> 00:03:05,684 was recounted by prosecutor Linda Fairstein. 70 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:10,022 -I was keenly aware that this was the biggest case 71 00:03:10,057 --> 00:03:12,024 of its kind in the city 72 00:03:12,059 --> 00:03:16,161 and was being played out on the national stage. 73 00:03:16,197 --> 00:03:19,031 I was nervous and anxious about the outcome 74 00:03:19,066 --> 00:03:22,534 and how the evidence will unfold. 75 00:03:22,570 --> 00:03:27,339 I had everybody's expectations to uphold. 76 00:03:27,374 --> 00:03:29,341 -The Levin and Chambers families 77 00:03:29,376 --> 00:03:31,877 sat quietly on separate sides of the courtroom 78 00:03:31,912 --> 00:03:34,546 as Assistant District Attorney Linda Fairstein described 79 00:03:34,582 --> 00:03:38,517 the early morning hours of August 26, 1986. 80 00:03:38,552 --> 00:03:40,252 -She began her remarks by saying, 81 00:03:40,287 --> 00:03:43,422 "Jennifer Levin is dead, but don't lose sight of the fact 82 00:03:43,457 --> 00:03:46,458 there is only one victim in this case." 83 00:03:46,493 --> 00:03:50,028 -One of the first pieces of evidence that I introduced 84 00:03:50,064 --> 00:03:53,899 was the photograph of Jennifer Levin at Dorrian's, 85 00:03:53,934 --> 00:03:57,202 and the most striking thing is, 86 00:03:57,238 --> 00:03:59,104 her long, pretty neck 87 00:03:59,139 --> 00:04:03,308 was completely blemish-free. 88 00:04:03,344 --> 00:04:05,744 There wasn't a mark on it. 89 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:08,113 I put it on an easel, 90 00:04:08,148 --> 00:04:10,249 and I tried to keep this picture 91 00:04:10,284 --> 00:04:12,651 in front of that jury. 92 00:04:12,686 --> 00:04:18,090 I needed Jennifer to become alive to that jury 93 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:23,061 for them to see her as the loving daughter, 94 00:04:23,097 --> 00:04:26,765 great student, lots of friends, 95 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,734 living, vibrant, happy -- 96 00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:32,504 not just the dead girl in the courtroom. 97 00:04:32,539 --> 00:04:34,740 -In a dramatic whisper, Fairstein ended 98 00:04:34,775 --> 00:04:36,975 her opening statement, saying to the jury, 99 00:04:37,011 --> 00:04:39,578 "Don't make the same mistake Jennifer Levin did. 100 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,014 Don't trust this defendant." 101 00:04:42,049 --> 00:04:44,249 -Linda Fairstein blew up pictures of Jennifer Levin 102 00:04:44,285 --> 00:04:46,151 with her friends. 103 00:04:46,186 --> 00:04:48,320 It did cause a lot of emotion. 104 00:04:48,355 --> 00:04:51,290 ♪♪ 105 00:04:51,325 --> 00:04:52,824 I did spend time looking at Robert, 106 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:55,827 trying to see what was going on in his mind. 107 00:04:55,863 --> 00:04:58,797 He didn't show any emotion. 108 00:04:58,832 --> 00:05:01,033 He just sat there with his hands folded on the table 109 00:05:01,068 --> 00:05:04,202 and just staring right ahead. 110 00:05:04,238 --> 00:05:06,104 -There was just this... 111 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:08,874 vacant stare. 112 00:05:08,909 --> 00:05:11,977 Is there some sort of drug problem there? 113 00:05:12,012 --> 00:05:13,378 I don't know. 114 00:05:13,414 --> 00:05:15,314 I couldn't understand why people 115 00:05:15,349 --> 00:05:17,149 found him so attractive, 116 00:05:17,184 --> 00:05:20,118 because there seemed to be something wrong. 117 00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:24,122 -I just felt that I had to contain myself 118 00:05:24,158 --> 00:05:27,192 from hurting him. 119 00:05:27,227 --> 00:05:29,561 It was a terrible atmosphere. 120 00:05:29,596 --> 00:05:32,230 ♪♪ 121 00:05:32,266 --> 00:05:35,167 -The first witness to be called is expected to be the bicyclist 122 00:05:35,202 --> 00:05:37,002 who discovered Jennifer Levin's body 123 00:05:37,037 --> 00:05:40,005 in Central Park. 124 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,641 -Clearly, I did not want to be in the newspapers. 125 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:45,143 I didn't want to be an object of the press. 126 00:05:45,179 --> 00:05:48,080 So, I asked if we could go in some way 127 00:05:48,115 --> 00:05:50,682 that I wouldn't be in front of all the cameras. 128 00:05:50,718 --> 00:05:54,586 They took me to a back elevator. 129 00:05:54,621 --> 00:05:58,590 And when I got on the elevator, 130 00:05:58,625 --> 00:06:03,528 Robert Chambers was probably less than a foot away from me... 131 00:06:03,564 --> 00:06:05,731 -Oh, no. [Laughter] 132 00:06:05,766 --> 00:06:07,833 -...which I found incredibly disturbing. 133 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:18,677 ♪♪ 134 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:22,447 That day that I found Jennifer Levin 135 00:06:22,483 --> 00:06:25,250 changed the trajectory of my life. 136 00:06:25,285 --> 00:06:26,718 ♪♪ 137 00:06:26,754 --> 00:06:30,288 Trauma resonates with you. 138 00:06:30,324 --> 00:06:35,193 I still felt a kindred connection to her. 139 00:06:35,229 --> 00:06:36,928 [Voice breaking] Still -- 140 00:06:38,565 --> 00:06:39,564 I'm sorry. 141 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,799 [Sniffles] 142 00:06:40,834 --> 00:06:43,301 It still sticks with me. 143 00:06:43,337 --> 00:06:45,804 ♪♪ 144 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,606 -On cross-examination, defense attorney 145 00:06:47,641 --> 00:06:49,441 Jack Litman questioned Reilly. 146 00:06:49,476 --> 00:06:52,744 "Are you sure of the position of the body?" 147 00:06:52,780 --> 00:06:55,380 -When Jack Litman approached me, 148 00:06:55,416 --> 00:06:56,982 he said to me, 149 00:06:57,017 --> 00:06:59,751 "How far were you from Jennifer Levin?" 150 00:06:59,787 --> 00:07:02,053 And I said, "Well, I'm not really very good with feet." 151 00:07:02,089 --> 00:07:03,722 He says, "But you play golf. 152 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:06,091 Don't you know the difference between a 12-foot putt 153 00:07:06,126 --> 00:07:07,559 and like a 3-foot putt?" 154 00:07:07,594 --> 00:07:11,263 Why does he know I play golf, you know? 155 00:07:11,298 --> 00:07:14,733 There was an air about him of self-confidence, 156 00:07:14,768 --> 00:07:16,334 but it bordered on obnoxious. 157 00:07:16,370 --> 00:07:17,903 That's how he ran. 158 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,771 -When Jack came on, 159 00:07:19,807 --> 00:07:22,507 everybody whispered, "Here comes the show." 160 00:07:22,543 --> 00:07:24,142 And that's what it was. 161 00:07:24,178 --> 00:07:27,446 -Boy, oh, boy, was he mesmerizing. 162 00:07:27,481 --> 00:07:30,282 The guy was so charismatic, smart, 163 00:07:30,317 --> 00:07:34,686 and Jack had a number of antics up his sleeve. 164 00:07:34,721 --> 00:07:38,089 I remember Jack Litman really went after 165 00:07:38,125 --> 00:07:41,660 the investigators, the detectives in the case. 166 00:07:41,695 --> 00:07:46,298 -He tried to say that the cops did a very sloppy job. 167 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:50,368 I testified that when I examined Jennifer's body, 168 00:07:50,404 --> 00:07:52,204 I noticed that her teeth 169 00:07:52,239 --> 00:07:54,372 were loose in her mouth, 170 00:07:54,408 --> 00:07:58,176 probably because of the blows she sustained to the face. 171 00:07:58,212 --> 00:07:59,311 "Well, why didn't the medical examiner 172 00:07:59,346 --> 00:08:00,879 say she had loose teeth?" 173 00:08:00,914 --> 00:08:03,348 I said, "I don't know. I'm not a medical doctor." 174 00:08:03,383 --> 00:08:05,016 He challenged everything, you know -- 175 00:08:05,052 --> 00:08:08,119 everything I testified to. 176 00:08:08,155 --> 00:08:11,323 Jack Litman thinks on his feet. 177 00:08:11,358 --> 00:08:13,825 [Camera shutters click] 178 00:08:13,861 --> 00:08:16,828 -Jack Litman tried his best to make him look like somebody 179 00:08:16,864 --> 00:08:19,798 who went on the scene, who bungled the evidence. 180 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:21,199 -By the time we got finished 181 00:08:21,235 --> 00:08:23,635 with the detectives and the police officers, 182 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:25,504 we were able to prove 183 00:08:25,539 --> 00:08:28,874 that the crime scene was totally destroyed 184 00:08:28,909 --> 00:08:31,843 by the professionals who were supposed to preserve it. 185 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,513 -Yeah, we thought the cops really screwed up. 186 00:08:34,548 --> 00:08:37,649 We really made fun of the cops. 187 00:08:37,684 --> 00:08:39,584 One didn't know what the other one was doing. 188 00:08:39,620 --> 00:08:42,087 I was not impressed at all. 189 00:08:42,122 --> 00:08:45,690 ♪♪ 190 00:08:45,726 --> 00:08:49,060 -Jack was trying to control the courtroom, 191 00:08:49,096 --> 00:08:51,329 and I really was afraid 192 00:08:51,365 --> 00:08:55,534 the Levin family might never get justice for Jennifer. 193 00:08:55,569 --> 00:09:01,172 But there was no doubt that we had the truth on our side. 194 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:04,276 I was not gonna let Jack win this case. 195 00:09:04,311 --> 00:09:05,977 ♪♪ 196 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,382 -Big trials come and go in New York City. 197 00:09:10,417 --> 00:09:12,517 Once in a while, one of them gets national attention. 198 00:09:12,553 --> 00:09:14,586 That's what happened with the Chambers case. 199 00:09:14,621 --> 00:09:16,187 -Robert Chambers says he broke his hand... 200 00:09:16,223 --> 00:09:18,323 -The Preppy Murder trial -- 201 00:09:18,358 --> 00:09:20,525 I mean, it was a big, big story. 202 00:09:20,561 --> 00:09:22,894 It was the top of the newscast 203 00:09:22,930 --> 00:09:24,529 every single night. 204 00:09:24,565 --> 00:09:26,264 It was the front page 205 00:09:26,300 --> 00:09:28,667 of every newspaper in town. 206 00:09:28,702 --> 00:09:30,769 ♪♪ 207 00:09:30,804 --> 00:09:33,071 -Every day, by the time we got to the courthouse, 208 00:09:33,106 --> 00:09:35,206 there was a big crowd and cameras, 209 00:09:35,242 --> 00:09:37,542 and they'd have to part 210 00:09:37,578 --> 00:09:39,878 in order for you to have access. 211 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:42,247 You get used to it, quite frankly. 212 00:09:42,282 --> 00:09:44,449 That's just your new normal. 213 00:09:44,484 --> 00:09:46,918 [Indistinct talking] 214 00:09:46,954 --> 00:09:48,587 -One of the challenges was that 215 00:09:48,622 --> 00:09:53,358 Linda was trying to set the scene in Dorrian's. 216 00:09:53,393 --> 00:09:55,460 It began as a wonderful night, 217 00:09:55,495 --> 00:09:57,128 getting ready to go to college, 218 00:09:57,164 --> 00:09:58,863 last hurrah. 219 00:09:58,899 --> 00:10:00,865 -But one of the challenges we faced was 220 00:10:00,901 --> 00:10:02,801 Jennifer's friends' testimony. 221 00:10:02,836 --> 00:10:06,771 With almost all of the kids that I had to put on the stand, 222 00:10:06,807 --> 00:10:08,707 it was really a two-edged sword. 223 00:10:08,742 --> 00:10:10,809 I was trying to prove that she would not do 224 00:10:10,844 --> 00:10:14,546 anything mean to him, and, therefore, 225 00:10:14,581 --> 00:10:16,081 there was no way to keep out 226 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:18,483 that she had had sex with him before. 227 00:10:18,518 --> 00:10:22,287 -So, when Jennifer Levin's friends started to testify, 228 00:10:22,322 --> 00:10:25,624 through cross-examination, we were able to bring out facts 229 00:10:25,659 --> 00:10:29,561 that helped to support our -- our defense. 230 00:10:29,596 --> 00:10:31,563 This was not a lack of consent. 231 00:10:31,598 --> 00:10:33,765 -So, she wanted sex. What's the big deal? 232 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,266 Is she not allowed to have sex? 233 00:10:35,302 --> 00:10:36,334 Well, no, she isn't, 234 00:10:36,370 --> 00:10:37,602 'cause she's a woman, right? 235 00:10:37,638 --> 00:10:39,504 I mean, that's the message. 236 00:10:39,539 --> 00:10:43,074 She was on trial for wanting to have sex. 237 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:45,610 ♪♪ 238 00:10:45,646 --> 00:10:48,146 -Her friends, all they wanted to do 239 00:10:48,181 --> 00:10:50,248 is tell the real story -- 240 00:10:50,283 --> 00:10:53,418 who their friend was, how wonderful she was. 241 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:55,854 Instead, their words were twisted around 242 00:10:55,889 --> 00:10:57,455 to make it sound like, 243 00:10:57,491 --> 00:11:00,925 "Yeah, oh, we were par-- You know, we like to party." 244 00:11:00,961 --> 00:11:02,961 It wasn't just an attack on Jennifer. 245 00:11:02,996 --> 00:11:05,030 It was an attack on her lifestyle, 246 00:11:05,065 --> 00:11:08,800 on her personality, on her morals. 247 00:11:08,835 --> 00:11:12,303 -She was a wholesome kid, and she was painted to be, 248 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:16,841 you know, this kind of whore. 249 00:11:16,877 --> 00:11:19,444 -That, to me, is one of the biggest crimes 250 00:11:19,479 --> 00:11:23,648 of what Jack Litman did to her and to her memory. 251 00:11:23,684 --> 00:11:26,484 -Jennifer Levin's mother cried uncontrollably 252 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,119 and left the courtroom. 253 00:11:28,155 --> 00:11:30,855 -So much emotion being there, 254 00:11:30,891 --> 00:11:33,224 but whether I was alone 255 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:35,627 or whether somebody came with me, 256 00:11:35,662 --> 00:11:37,228 I was there every day... 257 00:11:37,264 --> 00:11:39,998 [Camera shutters click] 258 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:42,400 ...because I realized... 259 00:11:42,436 --> 00:11:45,236 this is the last piece of business I can do 260 00:11:45,272 --> 00:11:46,805 for my daughter. 261 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,408 ♪♪ 262 00:11:50,444 --> 00:11:53,478 -My heart would just break every day for Ellen Levin. 263 00:11:53,513 --> 00:11:55,680 I mean, she was going through the worst time of her life, 264 00:11:55,716 --> 00:11:58,216 and having to relive the death of her daughter 265 00:11:58,251 --> 00:12:00,518 was just terrible... 266 00:12:00,554 --> 00:12:04,022 whereas I never got to know Phyllis Chambers. 267 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:06,024 -His mother, Phyllis, entered earlier. 268 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:09,427 She was clutching a book entitled "The Gift of Hope." 269 00:12:09,463 --> 00:12:11,763 -The only time I had contact with his mother, 270 00:12:11,798 --> 00:12:13,198 Phyllis Chambers, 271 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:16,601 was when she came over to me with a book. 272 00:12:16,636 --> 00:12:19,037 And she said, "I'm so sorry. 273 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:20,839 Maybe this will help." 274 00:12:20,874 --> 00:12:25,343 It was her only attempt to, I guess, apologize, 275 00:12:25,378 --> 00:12:28,046 and I wasn't receptive. 276 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:29,614 I-I wasn't nasty. 277 00:12:29,649 --> 00:12:31,616 I just took the book, walked away, 278 00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:34,185 and then I may have just thrown it in the garbage. 279 00:12:34,221 --> 00:12:37,222 -Robert Chambers' parents left the criminal courthouse today. 280 00:12:37,257 --> 00:12:39,424 While a tearful and distraught Mrs. Chambers 281 00:12:39,459 --> 00:12:40,925 sought the comfort of friends, 282 00:12:40,961 --> 00:12:42,694 her husband, Robert Sr., 283 00:12:42,729 --> 00:12:45,864 maintained a silent calm. 284 00:12:45,899 --> 00:12:47,732 -It was fascinating because 285 00:12:47,768 --> 00:12:51,803 not only did Robert have his parents with him, 286 00:12:51,838 --> 00:12:54,038 but Robert Chambers would come 287 00:12:54,074 --> 00:12:57,742 with a very pretty young girl. 288 00:12:57,778 --> 00:12:59,978 -Her name was Shawn Kovell. 289 00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:03,481 And she was Robert Chambers' girlfriend. 290 00:13:03,517 --> 00:13:05,784 I don't know how far back they went, 291 00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:10,088 but, certainly during the trial, they were boyfriend-girlfriend. 292 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:13,291 -Yeah, we knew about her. 293 00:13:13,326 --> 00:13:14,893 Actually, I had no thoughts other than, 294 00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:17,929 she must be out of her mind. 295 00:13:17,964 --> 00:13:19,831 It's not a wise choice. 296 00:13:19,866 --> 00:13:21,666 She should get a life. 297 00:13:21,701 --> 00:13:26,638 -I wasn't sure whether it was Jack Litman encouraging Robert 298 00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:29,607 to bring a woman with him every day to court 299 00:13:29,643 --> 00:13:32,110 so that he seemed safe, 300 00:13:32,145 --> 00:13:35,146 but Shawn seemed very smitten, 301 00:13:35,182 --> 00:13:37,115 and so it kind of softened 302 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:42,253 who Robert Chambers might be. 303 00:13:42,289 --> 00:13:45,290 -Robert Chambers -- he had his supporters 304 00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:46,524 on one side of the courtroom, 305 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:49,694 and that included the clergy. 306 00:13:49,729 --> 00:13:52,797 The church was there to support him. 307 00:13:52,833 --> 00:13:54,833 -It bothered me during the trial 308 00:13:54,868 --> 00:13:58,503 that there was this sense that the Catholic church is 309 00:13:58,538 --> 00:14:02,707 there to help Robert Chambers. 310 00:14:02,742 --> 00:14:05,810 It was a dangerous place for the Catholic church to be. 311 00:14:05,846 --> 00:14:09,013 Why are they taking sides here? 312 00:14:09,049 --> 00:14:13,651 -This was all part of Jack Litman's orchestration. 313 00:14:13,687 --> 00:14:16,120 To the public, it looked like he was 314 00:14:16,156 --> 00:14:18,223 a young, clean, 315 00:14:18,258 --> 00:14:21,192 good Catholic boy. 316 00:14:21,228 --> 00:14:23,862 -For one hour, late this afternoon, 317 00:14:23,897 --> 00:14:25,797 the jury watched TV monitors 318 00:14:25,832 --> 00:14:27,665 and listened as Chambers told police 319 00:14:27,701 --> 00:14:30,401 that Jennifer Levin freaked out and went crazy. 320 00:14:30,437 --> 00:14:32,737 -I started to say, "Stop it, stop it, it hurts," 321 00:14:32,772 --> 00:14:35,039 and she just kind of laughed in a weird way. 322 00:14:35,075 --> 00:14:37,675 It was, like, more like a cackle or something. 323 00:14:37,711 --> 00:14:40,011 And she, like, sat on my face, 324 00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:43,514 and then she dug her nails into my chest. 325 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:45,817 -When you look at that hour-long videotape, 326 00:14:45,852 --> 00:14:47,752 do you think it's all lies from Robert Chambers? 327 00:14:47,787 --> 00:14:49,220 -I think Robert Chambers is a liar. 328 00:14:49,256 --> 00:14:51,089 I think everything in that videotape is a lie. 329 00:14:51,124 --> 00:14:52,490 -Do you believe Robert Chambers 330 00:14:52,525 --> 00:14:54,225 took her to the park to kill her? 331 00:14:54,261 --> 00:14:55,727 -I don't know that he took her to the park to kill her, 332 00:14:55,762 --> 00:14:57,862 but I know he -- that they went into the park 333 00:14:57,898 --> 00:15:00,531 and what happened was, he killed her. 334 00:15:00,567 --> 00:15:02,533 -Assistant District Attorney Linda Fairstein 335 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:04,235 called Chambers' videotaped statement 336 00:15:04,271 --> 00:15:06,905 that he had accidentally killed Levin during rough sex 337 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,007 a "complete fiction 338 00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:13,878 to make Jennifer look wild or kinky or sexually unusual." 339 00:15:16,116 --> 00:15:20,852 -The way Jack Litman used this videotape, 340 00:15:20,887 --> 00:15:23,955 it made it seem like she was the aggressor. 341 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:27,625 She wanted the sex. He wasn't interested. 342 00:15:27,661 --> 00:15:29,560 She was the one to blame. 343 00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:34,699 -The blame-the-victim tactics were suddenly so obvious. 344 00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:38,036 It was almost evil. 345 00:15:38,071 --> 00:15:41,572 [Camera shutters click] 346 00:15:41,608 --> 00:15:45,076 -We knew that Jack Litman was preparing Robert Chambers 347 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:47,745 to testify. 348 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:49,914 If Robert Chambers took the stand, 349 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:51,549 I could finally show the jury 350 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:53,751 he was not the choirboy 351 00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:55,887 that Litman painted him to be. 352 00:15:55,922 --> 00:15:57,722 ♪♪ 353 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:03,161 -Everybody was kind of wondering if Robert Chambers 354 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:05,263 would be called to the stand, 355 00:16:05,298 --> 00:16:11,502 and everybody couldn't wait to find out why he killed her. 356 00:16:11,538 --> 00:16:14,339 -But one of the most shocking moments for me 357 00:16:14,374 --> 00:16:20,445 was that Jack did not have Robert Chambers testify. 358 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,313 That was one of the most disappointing moments 359 00:16:22,349 --> 00:16:24,248 in the trial for me because I thought 360 00:16:24,284 --> 00:16:27,986 we would have a chance to expose his sociopathy, 361 00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:32,790 his ability to lie, and his life of crime. 362 00:16:32,826 --> 00:16:36,160 I imagine that Jack was appalled 363 00:16:36,196 --> 00:16:40,798 when he saw the number of crimes and bad acts 364 00:16:40,834 --> 00:16:44,502 that we could prove. 365 00:16:44,537 --> 00:16:46,704 -We built this entire criminal background 366 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:47,772 of Robert Chambers 367 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:49,874 in case he took the stand. 368 00:16:49,909 --> 00:16:51,275 We couldn't use it. 369 00:16:51,311 --> 00:16:53,978 Was it frustrating for us? Absolutely! 370 00:16:54,014 --> 00:16:55,646 -It would have made a huge difference, 371 00:16:55,682 --> 00:16:57,982 I think, to the jurors. 372 00:16:58,018 --> 00:17:00,118 -The Levin family has not been in court 373 00:17:00,153 --> 00:17:02,854 to hear the medical testimony. 374 00:17:02,889 --> 00:17:07,291 -I did not want the Levins in the courtroom the day 375 00:17:07,327 --> 00:17:10,361 that the medical examiner was going to go through the autopsy 376 00:17:10,397 --> 00:17:13,631 because to have people who loved her listen to that 377 00:17:13,666 --> 00:17:17,668 is beyond imaginable. 378 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:20,371 We knew that the death was asphyxial. 379 00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:22,173 That was clear. 380 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:26,477 So, how that happened was much more open to interpretation. 381 00:17:26,513 --> 00:17:28,646 -There were a lot of witnesses 382 00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:30,548 that Jack Litman called to the stand, 383 00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:35,486 including medical examiners who backed up Robert Chambers. 384 00:17:35,522 --> 00:17:39,157 -A doctor from LA named Ronald Kornblum testified 385 00:17:39,192 --> 00:17:42,060 about the chokehold technique, 386 00:17:42,095 --> 00:17:44,195 that it had been a single pull, 387 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:46,664 as Chambers had described in the video, 388 00:17:46,699 --> 00:17:49,534 and Jennifer flipped over and never moved again. 389 00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:53,171 -The marks on the neck were presented by competing experts. 390 00:17:53,206 --> 00:17:54,539 One would say one thing, 391 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:55,573 the other one would say another thing, 392 00:17:55,608 --> 00:17:56,607 so you're back in the middle, 393 00:17:56,643 --> 00:17:58,042 like, "Who do you believe?" 394 00:17:58,078 --> 00:18:01,512 -But because of some overwhelming accident... 395 00:18:01,548 --> 00:18:03,081 -Litman did everything in his power 396 00:18:03,116 --> 00:18:06,350 to confuse the jury. 397 00:18:06,386 --> 00:18:08,352 -He would call a witness up, like a doctor, 398 00:18:08,388 --> 00:18:10,421 and show us X-rays. 399 00:18:10,457 --> 00:18:11,622 Nobody can read X-rays. 400 00:18:11,658 --> 00:18:12,957 I wasn't taught to read an X-ray, 401 00:18:12,992 --> 00:18:16,127 and he was more or less trying to, uh... 402 00:18:16,162 --> 00:18:17,695 baffle us. 403 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:23,401 -With all the scientific testimony back and forth, 404 00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:25,903 it just got so muddled. 405 00:18:25,939 --> 00:18:28,940 -The relationship between Jack Litman and Linda Fairstein 406 00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:31,275 had kind of broken down 407 00:18:31,311 --> 00:18:33,311 to the extent that they kind of 408 00:18:33,346 --> 00:18:35,079 weren't talking to each other. 409 00:18:35,115 --> 00:18:39,250 Jack had a penchant for pushing Linda's buttons. 410 00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:41,586 He could be very irritating. 411 00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:43,721 -The two of them were fighting constantly. 412 00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:46,924 There were a lot of sidebars that bored the heck out of us. 413 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,060 -Defense attorney Jack Litman 414 00:18:49,095 --> 00:18:50,895 will have his last chance tomorrow 415 00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:52,563 to get his message to the jury 416 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:54,632 that Jennifer Levin died accidentally 417 00:18:54,667 --> 00:18:56,100 during rough sex. 418 00:18:56,136 --> 00:18:57,802 And the prosecutor, Linda Fairstein, 419 00:18:57,837 --> 00:19:02,106 will also try to convince them it was murder. 420 00:19:02,142 --> 00:19:06,110 -I needed the jury to understand that this took minutes, 421 00:19:06,146 --> 00:19:10,681 that Robert Chambers, in those three to five minutes, 422 00:19:10,717 --> 00:19:13,317 formed and executed the intent 423 00:19:13,353 --> 00:19:14,952 to kill Jennifer Levin. 424 00:19:14,988 --> 00:19:15,987 He murdered her. 425 00:19:16,022 --> 00:19:19,023 That was intentional. 426 00:19:19,058 --> 00:19:20,625 -What's it been like for you 427 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:23,995 the last 11 weeks, being in this courtroom? 428 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:26,297 -Torture. Sheer torture. 429 00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:28,766 -How has this, uh, changed your -- 430 00:19:28,801 --> 00:19:32,170 your life since the day she died? 431 00:19:32,205 --> 00:19:34,605 -That's a very complicated question to answer, 432 00:19:34,641 --> 00:19:37,108 but, for sure, my life will never be the same 433 00:19:37,143 --> 00:19:38,776 Um... 434 00:19:38,811 --> 00:19:40,511 And I'd rather not comment anymore. 435 00:19:40,547 --> 00:19:45,283 Thank you very much. -Thank you. 436 00:19:45,318 --> 00:19:48,886 -We didn't get a chance to grieve or mourn... 437 00:19:48,922 --> 00:19:51,856 at all, so... 438 00:19:51,891 --> 00:19:54,192 [Camera shutters click] 439 00:19:54,227 --> 00:19:56,194 -The jury is expected to begin deliberations 440 00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:57,528 today in New York 441 00:19:57,564 --> 00:20:00,531 in the New York Preppy Murder case. 442 00:20:00,567 --> 00:20:02,667 -We were actually looking forward to deliberations, 443 00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:05,503 thinking we can get this thing over with. 444 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:08,406 -She's flipping backwards? -She came over this way 445 00:20:08,441 --> 00:20:12,043 and landed right there, right next to the tree. 446 00:20:12,078 --> 00:20:14,011 -In the jury room, when we watched the confession, 447 00:20:14,047 --> 00:20:15,746 and we watched it many times, 448 00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:18,249 I don't think anybody in that room 449 00:20:18,284 --> 00:20:20,084 actually believed the confession. 450 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,253 When he said, "She took advantage of me," 451 00:20:22,288 --> 00:20:24,522 you're 6'4". 452 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:26,324 Get over it. Be a man. 453 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,392 Nobody can take advantage of you. 454 00:20:28,428 --> 00:20:30,027 Nobody believed that. 455 00:20:30,063 --> 00:20:32,563 -I was not worried for the first three or four days 456 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:33,898 of jury deliberations. 457 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:36,033 I felt there was so much evidence. 458 00:20:36,069 --> 00:20:38,002 -We thought this was a home run, 459 00:20:38,037 --> 00:20:42,406 and then we waited, uh, for days. 460 00:20:42,442 --> 00:20:44,275 -By the fifth day, 461 00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:47,211 everybody in my office was worried. 462 00:20:47,247 --> 00:20:50,114 It was beginning to be too long. 463 00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:51,582 -The jury seems to be struggling 464 00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:53,551 with the question of whether Robert Chambers 465 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:57,421 intentionally or accidentally killed Jennifer Levin. 466 00:20:57,457 --> 00:20:59,790 -The sticking point was intent. 467 00:20:59,826 --> 00:21:01,525 We had to reach a decision, 468 00:21:01,561 --> 00:21:03,561 guilty or not guilty, on the first charge, 469 00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:05,229 which was Murder II. 470 00:21:05,265 --> 00:21:08,532 We had to decide whether he intentionally killed her 471 00:21:08,568 --> 00:21:11,102 or was it an accident? 472 00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:13,404 Did he get angry and -- and, you know, 473 00:21:13,439 --> 00:21:15,573 lose his mind and hit her and all that? 474 00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:17,108 That's a possibility, but that doesn't mean 475 00:21:17,143 --> 00:21:18,809 he intended to kill her. 476 00:21:18,845 --> 00:21:20,411 That's a tough call. 477 00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:22,113 That's a really tough call. 478 00:21:22,148 --> 00:21:24,148 There were eight people who voted guilty 479 00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:26,584 on the first charge, which means intent. 480 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:29,153 There were four people who voted not guilty, 481 00:21:29,188 --> 00:21:32,590 which means there was no intent there. 482 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:33,958 We were stuck at 8-4. 483 00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:35,259 Unless we all agreed, 484 00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:37,728 we were dead in the water right there. 485 00:21:37,764 --> 00:21:40,331 -They were deciding for a very long time, 486 00:21:40,366 --> 00:21:43,000 and we understood that that's a bad sign -- 487 00:21:43,036 --> 00:21:44,602 very bad. 488 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,837 -We would go back and forth, you know, really, 489 00:21:46,873 --> 00:21:49,440 from, like, "How could they not convict him right away?" 490 00:21:49,475 --> 00:21:53,911 to "Eesh. Did -- Did -- Did Litman do enough damage?" 491 00:21:53,946 --> 00:21:56,614 -I remember being sequestered. 492 00:21:56,649 --> 00:21:59,183 So, fine. One overnight is not a big deal. 493 00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:00,951 Two overnights we can live with. 494 00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:04,455 When it came into seven, eight, nine, you know, 495 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:05,956 everybody wanted out. 496 00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:08,326 One juror faked a heart attack. 497 00:22:08,361 --> 00:22:09,860 Some of the women were crying. 498 00:22:09,896 --> 00:22:11,862 They just couldn't take it anymore. 499 00:22:11,898 --> 00:22:14,365 You know, one of the jurors locked himself in a refrigerator 500 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,300 'cause I wanted to kill him. 501 00:22:16,336 --> 00:22:18,636 I did. He was annoying. 502 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:19,970 I was very angry at the fact 503 00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:23,674 that we couldn't reach a decision. 504 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:25,943 -Nine days of jury deliberations, 505 00:22:25,978 --> 00:22:30,181 and yet the jury could not come to a unanimous decision 506 00:22:30,216 --> 00:22:32,216 beyond a reasonable doubt 507 00:22:32,251 --> 00:22:33,684 as to what had happened. 508 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,656 The jury was really deadlocked. 509 00:22:38,691 --> 00:22:41,826 -Is there a just punishment for Chambers? 510 00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:43,060 -I hope so. 511 00:22:43,096 --> 00:22:44,495 I mean, I'm -- 512 00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:46,464 I'm really looking to see 513 00:22:46,499 --> 00:22:48,899 that Chambers gets punished. 514 00:22:48,935 --> 00:22:50,167 -What would you like to see happen? 515 00:22:50,203 --> 00:22:53,337 -I'd like to see him get the max. 516 00:22:53,373 --> 00:22:55,573 He can't take a life 517 00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:58,008 and not get the max. 518 00:22:58,044 --> 00:23:00,711 -Linda called me, and she said, "Uh, listen, 519 00:23:00,747 --> 00:23:04,181 I'm really worried about this jury. 520 00:23:04,217 --> 00:23:06,350 I think we have a major problem." 521 00:23:06,386 --> 00:23:07,685 [Crowd shouting] 522 00:23:08,653 --> 00:23:14,358 ♪♪ 523 00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:16,360 -From our point of view on the defense, 524 00:23:16,396 --> 00:23:17,828 we were under a lot of pressure 525 00:23:17,864 --> 00:23:21,365 because the jury appeared deadlocked. 526 00:23:21,401 --> 00:23:23,200 We have to do something now. 527 00:23:23,236 --> 00:23:27,204 I mean, this jury is not coming up with a verdict. 528 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,674 So, I called Linda Fairstein, 529 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:34,845 and I asked her if we could sit down and talk about a plea, 530 00:23:34,881 --> 00:23:39,617 because a hung jury would not look very good for them, either. 531 00:23:39,652 --> 00:23:42,286 When I went to her office, 532 00:23:42,321 --> 00:23:43,687 the New York Post 533 00:23:43,723 --> 00:23:46,257 was on the desk. 534 00:23:46,292 --> 00:23:48,392 There was a picture of me and Robert Chambers 535 00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:52,296 on the front page that said, "Plea deal in the works. 536 00:23:52,331 --> 00:23:54,632 Chambers shocker." 537 00:23:54,667 --> 00:23:57,768 And I said, "I'm here doing this," 538 00:23:57,804 --> 00:23:59,303 and, to this day, 539 00:23:59,338 --> 00:24:01,605 I don't know how -- how that happened. 540 00:24:01,641 --> 00:24:05,376 -Jack Litman offered to plead guilty to manslaughter 541 00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:06,877 in the first degree, 542 00:24:06,913 --> 00:24:09,747 which did not require intent. 543 00:24:09,782 --> 00:24:11,982 But Robert had to admit 544 00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:14,718 that he caused the death of Jennifer Levin. 545 00:24:14,754 --> 00:24:17,555 ♪♪ 546 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:19,757 -Maybe 40 minutes, 547 00:24:19,792 --> 00:24:22,593 we had the broad outlines of a deal. 548 00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:24,662 -Linda brought us into her office 549 00:24:24,697 --> 00:24:27,097 to let us know what was put on the table. 550 00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,567 -One of the hardest conversations I'd ever had 551 00:24:29,602 --> 00:24:32,436 was to tell the Levins. 552 00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:34,438 -She gave us the ultimatum, 553 00:24:34,474 --> 00:24:36,607 and it's, "Accept the plea-bargain 554 00:24:36,642 --> 00:24:39,977 or he is out again until the next trial, 555 00:24:40,012 --> 00:24:42,112 which could be two years." 556 00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:45,282 We felt totally cheated. 557 00:24:45,318 --> 00:24:48,786 But we knew that we could not go through this again. 558 00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:50,454 [Static] 559 00:24:50,490 --> 00:24:52,122 ♪♪ 560 00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:54,291 -There was a big press conference. 561 00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:55,693 The district attorney Morgenthau 562 00:24:55,728 --> 00:24:58,329 was there with all the attorneys. 563 00:24:58,364 --> 00:25:00,598 It was a big deal. 564 00:25:00,633 --> 00:25:01,866 -The Manhattan district attorney 565 00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:03,634 said he couldn't convict Chambers 566 00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:05,836 on the circumstantial evidence. 567 00:25:05,872 --> 00:25:07,838 -This office determined that the plea agreement 568 00:25:07,874 --> 00:25:09,340 was in the interest of justice. 569 00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:12,042 -I don't think that we could have withstood 570 00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:13,777 another trial and the tensions 571 00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:15,713 and problems that went on 572 00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:17,381 for another year and a half. 573 00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:20,985 It would have been too much for everyone concerned. 574 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:22,887 We weren't happy. 575 00:25:22,922 --> 00:25:25,389 It was kind of a resignation. 576 00:25:25,424 --> 00:25:27,725 ♪♪ 577 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,060 -New York City's so-called Preppy Murder trial 578 00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:31,161 came to a dramatic 579 00:25:31,197 --> 00:25:32,897 and unexpected end late today. 580 00:25:32,932 --> 00:25:35,199 -It happened at just a few minutes after 5:00 this evening. 581 00:25:35,234 --> 00:25:37,067 In a packed and hushed courtroom, 582 00:25:37,103 --> 00:25:38,569 Robert Chambers pleaded guilty 583 00:25:38,604 --> 00:25:40,671 to the charge of first-degree manslaughter. 584 00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:42,706 He's going to be sentenced on April 15th 585 00:25:42,742 --> 00:25:46,176 to 5 to 15 years in prison. 586 00:25:46,212 --> 00:25:47,711 -There was very much a sense of, 587 00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:49,179 "Hmm. Manslaughter? 588 00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:50,848 It was a murder trial. 589 00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:52,349 5 to 15? 590 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:55,052 Is that what Jennifer Levin's life was worth?" 591 00:25:55,087 --> 00:25:56,720 -It was controversial at the time. 592 00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:59,089 Many people criticized it for being -- 593 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:01,091 for being too -- too light. 594 00:26:01,127 --> 00:26:02,860 -Do you think 5 to 15 years in prison 595 00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:05,095 is enough for killing someone? 596 00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:07,097 -Honestly, no, but, I mean, 597 00:26:07,133 --> 00:26:09,266 that's the justice system of today. 598 00:26:09,302 --> 00:26:12,603 -I tell you, he should have gotten more than 5 to 15. 599 00:26:12,638 --> 00:26:14,505 I think he should get life or worse. 600 00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:16,540 -You mean that's -- that's all that -- 601 00:26:16,576 --> 00:26:18,042 that he got? 602 00:26:18,077 --> 00:26:20,611 If it was my daughter, I sure as heck would feel 603 00:26:20,646 --> 00:26:23,013 that he should be given the electric chair. 604 00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:25,049 -They called us in the jury room and says, 605 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,785 "This case has been resolved," 606 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:29,787 and that's all we heard. 607 00:26:29,822 --> 00:26:32,222 We found out later that there was a plea-bargain. 608 00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:34,191 -I still to this day 609 00:26:34,226 --> 00:26:36,360 am horrified at the result. 610 00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:39,763 I just can't believe that you could get away with murder. 611 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:41,699 -Actually, I bumped in to Judge Bell 612 00:26:41,734 --> 00:26:44,368 probably 10, 15 years ago, 613 00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:46,570 and the first thing he said to me is, 614 00:26:46,606 --> 00:26:49,740 "Why couldn't you convict that kid?" 615 00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:51,775 -The fact that Robert Chambers would be standing, 616 00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:53,744 addressing the court one final time today, 617 00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:55,713 brought a crush of media and spectators 618 00:26:55,748 --> 00:26:57,247 to the courthouse. 619 00:26:57,283 --> 00:27:00,317 -Today we came to -- to see the end of a trial, 620 00:27:00,353 --> 00:27:03,887 a trial with no answers, a trial with no winners. 621 00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:06,423 The Levin family have gone through hell... 622 00:27:06,459 --> 00:27:10,260 because of my actions, and I am sorry. 623 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:11,829 -The statement that Robert Chambers made 624 00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:16,400 at his sentence was his statement in his voice. 625 00:27:16,435 --> 00:27:18,669 -I never wanted any of this to happen. 626 00:27:18,704 --> 00:27:22,006 But her name will live on, not through memories 627 00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:25,009 but by her family and her feelings. 628 00:27:25,044 --> 00:27:27,945 And I wish to apologize to the family and to her friends 629 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:30,314 for all the trouble that they've gone through. 630 00:27:30,349 --> 00:27:33,183 I've never wanted any of this to happen to anybody. 631 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:35,285 -I wanted to jump over the bench 632 00:27:35,321 --> 00:27:37,655 'cause I wanted to smack him across the face, 633 00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:42,026 because he was going like this. 634 00:27:42,061 --> 00:27:45,129 It was as if, "I-I'll make this deal, 635 00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:47,931 but don't believe a word that I say." 636 00:27:47,967 --> 00:27:50,501 It was yet another insult to our family. 637 00:27:50,536 --> 00:27:54,972 There was no sign of remorse that I ever saw. 638 00:27:55,007 --> 00:27:56,540 -He said nothing in the courtroom today. 639 00:27:56,575 --> 00:27:57,875 -Not even -- 640 00:27:57,910 --> 00:27:59,543 -He said nothing in the courtroom today. 641 00:27:59,578 --> 00:28:00,678 -You don't believe he's remorseful? 642 00:28:00,713 --> 00:28:02,146 -He said nothing. 643 00:28:02,181 --> 00:28:03,714 It didn't come from here, it came from here -- 644 00:28:03,749 --> 00:28:05,883 a memory, memorized. 645 00:28:05,918 --> 00:28:07,885 -It was not a fulfilling verdict. 646 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,888 It was like, "Oh, okay. We got an ending." 647 00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:13,223 But not the ending that a lot of people wanted. 648 00:28:13,259 --> 00:28:15,826 -Robert Chambers left Manhattan Criminal Court tonight 649 00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:17,628 a guilty man. 650 00:28:17,663 --> 00:28:19,963 -Chambers will spend one last night with his family 651 00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:22,566 before surrendering to police. 652 00:28:22,601 --> 00:28:24,668 -We worked out with the judge 653 00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:28,405 that he was able to go to his home that night, 654 00:28:28,441 --> 00:28:30,007 and then the next day, 655 00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:33,677 he would start serving his sentence. 656 00:28:33,713 --> 00:28:35,345 -And as he left the court building, 657 00:28:35,381 --> 00:28:37,147 there was time for a quiet moment 658 00:28:37,183 --> 00:28:39,983 between mother and son. 659 00:28:40,019 --> 00:28:41,685 -He's allowed to go home 660 00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:43,821 and spend the night with his mother? 661 00:28:43,856 --> 00:28:45,556 It's just adding insult to injury. 662 00:28:45,591 --> 00:28:47,491 It was ludicrous. 663 00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:53,764 ♪♪ 664 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,733 -The next morning, Mike Sheehan 665 00:28:55,768 --> 00:29:00,838 came to the Chambers' apartment with a bulletproof vest. 666 00:29:00,873 --> 00:29:03,874 -And Robert said, "I don't think I need a vest." 667 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:06,243 I said, "No? Look down there." 668 00:29:06,278 --> 00:29:09,580 [Crowd chanting "Justice for Jennifer!"] 669 00:29:09,615 --> 00:29:11,348 -The Guardian Angels -- they were all running around 670 00:29:11,383 --> 00:29:12,683 with their berets, 671 00:29:12,718 --> 00:29:15,252 chanting and yelling in the streets. 672 00:29:15,287 --> 00:29:18,722 I said, "It only takes one of them with a gun 673 00:29:18,758 --> 00:29:20,357 to take a shot at you. 674 00:29:20,392 --> 00:29:21,558 Put your vest on." 675 00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:23,060 So, he put the vest on, 676 00:29:23,095 --> 00:29:25,429 and he put an Irish sweater over it. 677 00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:27,965 -At 10:00, the tall, handsome young man, 678 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,801 looking drawn and pale, was escorted out of his home 679 00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:34,905 for what would be the last time in a long time. 680 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:39,309 -The crowd was so big that it moves you 681 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:43,113 in different directions, which is very scary. 682 00:29:43,149 --> 00:29:46,083 We delivered him to the Department of Corrections 683 00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:49,720 for him to begin serving his 5-to-15-year sentence. 684 00:29:49,755 --> 00:29:52,256 ♪♪ 685 00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:55,759 -We walked Robert to the cell. 686 00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:58,929 He went in, and I heard him throwing up. 687 00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:00,831 He threw up in the toilet. 688 00:30:00,866 --> 00:30:02,833 Robert turned around, 689 00:30:02,868 --> 00:30:04,902 and he said, "I'll never get used to the smell." 690 00:30:04,937 --> 00:30:07,571 [Bars clink] 691 00:30:07,606 --> 00:30:09,740 ♪♪ 692 00:30:09,775 --> 00:30:11,909 -After the trial, 693 00:30:11,944 --> 00:30:14,144 there was a reporter on "Current Affair" 694 00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:15,579 who was a friend of mine, 695 00:30:15,614 --> 00:30:18,615 and he had been contacted 696 00:30:18,651 --> 00:30:20,417 by one of the girls 697 00:30:20,452 --> 00:30:23,320 who palled around with Robert Chambers. 698 00:30:23,355 --> 00:30:26,290 The girl told him that there was a tape. 699 00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:27,457 My God. 700 00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:30,294 This was worth a million bucks. 701 00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:37,835 -Steve Dunleavy, a reporter from "Current Affair," 702 00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:39,837 called me, and he said, "There's a tape. 703 00:30:39,872 --> 00:30:42,673 You gotta come see this tape." 704 00:30:42,708 --> 00:30:46,210 So I ran to Channel 5, and he showed it to me... 705 00:30:46,245 --> 00:30:49,780 and I said, "Jesus." 706 00:30:49,815 --> 00:30:51,648 -Hello, everyone. 707 00:30:51,684 --> 00:30:54,318 Welcome to a special edition of "A Current Affair." 708 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:57,287 We immediately put it on that night, 709 00:30:57,323 --> 00:30:59,323 and all hell broke loose. 710 00:30:59,358 --> 00:31:03,227 [Static] 711 00:31:03,262 --> 00:31:04,661 On this tape, 712 00:31:04,697 --> 00:31:06,530 we see a whole bevy 713 00:31:06,565 --> 00:31:09,499 of young, very pretty girls. 714 00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:13,670 And Shawn Kovell was there. 715 00:31:13,706 --> 00:31:15,839 And there is Robert Chambers 716 00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:19,042 in the middle of them. 717 00:31:19,078 --> 00:31:22,246 He then picks up a doll, 718 00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:25,349 and with this strange voice, 719 00:31:25,384 --> 00:31:28,552 like out of a bad horror movie, 720 00:31:28,587 --> 00:31:30,053 he picks it up 721 00:31:30,089 --> 00:31:32,356 and says straight to camera... 722 00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:35,158 -My name is -- 723 00:31:35,194 --> 00:31:36,193 Oops. 724 00:31:36,228 --> 00:31:37,961 [Chuckles] -Stop! 725 00:31:41,934 --> 00:31:44,368 -How did he think this was even funny? 726 00:31:44,403 --> 00:31:48,772 -He's been charged with murder, I mean, and he's joking. 727 00:31:48,807 --> 00:31:50,173 You know, "Oh," you know? 728 00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:53,543 It's just -- It was just awful. 729 00:31:53,579 --> 00:31:55,913 -That tape went on into infamy, you know? 730 00:31:55,948 --> 00:31:58,782 I-I believe it definitely would have been a different verdict. 731 00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:01,051 I mean, it really paints 732 00:32:01,086 --> 00:32:03,253 a lousy picture of Robert Chambers. 733 00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:05,622 -The optics of it were terrible. 734 00:32:05,658 --> 00:32:09,559 Having said that, I thought it was such a reach 735 00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:12,462 that they were trying to relate this somehow 736 00:32:12,498 --> 00:32:14,264 to -- to Jennifer Levin. 737 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,567 It didn't really prove anything. 738 00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:20,404 -For me, that's when he finally really showed 739 00:32:20,439 --> 00:32:23,073 the public his true colors. 740 00:32:23,108 --> 00:32:26,743 Finally, the whole world saw him for who he was. 741 00:32:26,779 --> 00:32:33,116 ♪♪ 742 00:32:33,152 --> 00:32:38,088 -Robert Chambers's sentence was 5 to 15 years. 743 00:32:38,123 --> 00:32:41,625 He could have been out in five years on good behavior. 744 00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:46,263 Instead, I think he broke every rule that there was. 745 00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:48,765 I know that he was busted for drugs. 746 00:32:48,801 --> 00:32:51,435 ♪♪ 747 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:55,072 He was in solitary a few times. 748 00:32:55,107 --> 00:32:56,273 He just screwed it up. 749 00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:58,575 He did not get out early. 750 00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:02,512 So he served his full 15 years. 751 00:33:02,548 --> 00:33:04,414 And then was out free, 752 00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:06,249 walking on the streets. 753 00:33:06,285 --> 00:33:09,619 ♪♪ 754 00:33:09,655 --> 00:33:10,954 -So-called Preppy Killer 755 00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:12,622 Robert Chambers is a free man today. 756 00:33:12,658 --> 00:33:14,658 He walked out of a prison in Upstate New York 757 00:33:14,693 --> 00:33:16,159 after serving 15 years 758 00:33:16,195 --> 00:33:18,261 for the killing of Jennifer Levin. 759 00:33:18,297 --> 00:33:19,696 He says he's resolved to become 760 00:33:19,732 --> 00:33:21,765 a productive member of the community, 761 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,633 but Levin's mother called him dangerous 762 00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:27,170 and said he doesn't have a conscience. 763 00:33:27,206 --> 00:33:32,142 -We were, you know, horrified, nervous. 764 00:33:32,177 --> 00:33:36,146 Now he was out free, walking on the streets. 765 00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:38,048 I felt that, at any moment, 766 00:33:38,083 --> 00:33:41,485 he could hurt another girl. 767 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,655 I just didn't think he was a sane person. 768 00:33:45,691 --> 00:33:48,125 -Then we heard that, within a year, 769 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,495 he's in trouble again, arrested, this time for drugs, 770 00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:55,232 with his girlfriend, Shawn Kovell. 771 00:33:55,267 --> 00:33:57,467 -The police caught Robert selling drugs, 772 00:33:57,503 --> 00:33:58,869 and he pleaded guilty. 773 00:33:58,904 --> 00:34:00,537 -And he brought Shawn Kovell 774 00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:02,005 right to the bottom with him. 775 00:34:02,041 --> 00:34:03,673 She was in such bad shape, 776 00:34:03,709 --> 00:34:06,009 I didn't even recognize her. 777 00:34:06,045 --> 00:34:08,512 In fact, the judge was so moved 778 00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:10,514 that he actually put her into rehab. 779 00:34:10,549 --> 00:34:12,416 She got no time. 780 00:34:12,451 --> 00:34:14,818 -Robert Chambers went back to prison. 781 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:16,586 He got 19 years, 782 00:34:16,622 --> 00:34:20,857 which is longer than he served for murdering my daughter. 783 00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:22,259 [Camera shutters click] 784 00:34:22,294 --> 00:34:25,395 -From the time you were 19... 785 00:34:25,431 --> 00:34:27,864 ♪♪ 786 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:29,933 ...you've been in prison. 787 00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:34,037 I mean, you have just completely wasted your life. 788 00:34:34,073 --> 00:34:40,110 ♪♪ 789 00:34:40,145 --> 00:34:42,045 -In the summer of 2018, 790 00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:45,382 I was shocked, as many people were, 791 00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:47,451 to see the headlines 792 00:34:47,486 --> 00:34:49,086 about Theodore McCarrick. 793 00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:50,687 -Breaking news this morning from the Vatican 794 00:34:50,722 --> 00:34:53,523 regarding the resignation of a Cardinal. 795 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:55,892 -Cardinal Theodore McCarrick tonight suspended 796 00:34:55,928 --> 00:34:59,196 from his public priestly duties after an allegation 797 00:34:59,231 --> 00:35:02,632 he abused a teenager in New York 47 years ago 798 00:35:02,668 --> 00:35:05,302 was found to be credible and substantiated. 799 00:35:05,337 --> 00:35:06,970 -Now in his 80s, 800 00:35:07,005 --> 00:35:10,474 it was exposed that he was a pedophile priest, 801 00:35:10,509 --> 00:35:13,243 that he had been having sexual relationships 802 00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:16,413 with the altar boys. 803 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:18,915 Let us not forget it was a letter 804 00:35:18,951 --> 00:35:21,551 from Archbishop McCarrick to the judge 805 00:35:21,587 --> 00:35:26,156 presented by Jack Litman as part of the bail application that 806 00:35:26,191 --> 00:35:29,559 really rattled the judge and made him aware 807 00:35:29,595 --> 00:35:32,496 that the hierarchy of the Catholic church was 808 00:35:32,531 --> 00:35:35,165 firmly behind Robert Chambers. 809 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,334 -And remember that Phyllis Chambers, 810 00:35:37,369 --> 00:35:38,635 Robert's mother, 811 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:41,638 had a long-time relationship 812 00:35:41,673 --> 00:35:43,640 with McCarrick. 813 00:35:43,675 --> 00:35:45,075 And, of course, 814 00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:48,745 Robert Chambers was an altar boy. 815 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:50,514 -I'm -- I'm sure that I've -- I've heard 816 00:35:50,549 --> 00:35:52,449 about other men being raped. 817 00:35:52,484 --> 00:35:54,317 It happens. It can happen. 818 00:35:54,353 --> 00:35:57,487 It did happen. 819 00:35:57,523 --> 00:35:59,356 -Would I be shocked if I found out 820 00:35:59,391 --> 00:36:01,758 that Robert Chambers was sexually abused 821 00:36:01,793 --> 00:36:03,293 by Teddy McCarrick? 822 00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:04,861 Not at all. 823 00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:05,929 Could it have happened? 824 00:36:05,964 --> 00:36:07,797 Absolutely. 825 00:36:07,833 --> 00:36:12,002 Robert, at the time, fits the profile perfectly. 826 00:36:12,037 --> 00:36:13,470 He's very vulnerable. 827 00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:18,642 He's the product of a broken marriage. 828 00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:21,678 To look back, your head spins. 829 00:36:21,713 --> 00:36:24,181 ♪♪ 830 00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:26,116 -Do I have any reason to believe 831 00:36:26,151 --> 00:36:30,954 that Robert was ever sexually abused by McCarrick? 832 00:36:30,989 --> 00:36:32,222 No. 833 00:36:32,257 --> 00:36:34,958 And even if that actually happened, 834 00:36:34,993 --> 00:36:39,396 I don't think that's what caused his sociopathy. 835 00:36:39,431 --> 00:36:46,336 ♪♪ 836 00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:53,243 ♪♪ 837 00:36:53,278 --> 00:36:57,080 Robert Chambers always blames everybody else. 838 00:36:57,115 --> 00:36:59,349 He murdered her. He killed her in cold blood. 839 00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:02,252 He took the life out of her with his bare hands. 840 00:37:02,287 --> 00:37:03,853 ♪♪ 841 00:37:05,823 --> 00:37:09,693 ♪♪ 842 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:12,829 -What's fascinating about the case is, 843 00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:16,566 we really don't know what happened. 844 00:37:16,602 --> 00:37:20,837 But we know that she's not responsible for her death. 845 00:37:20,872 --> 00:37:24,174 [Crowd chanting "Justice for Jennifer!"] 846 00:37:24,209 --> 00:37:27,410 -And the trial didn't give you that sense of "Oh! 847 00:37:27,446 --> 00:37:32,282 Finally, justice for Jennifer." 848 00:37:32,317 --> 00:37:36,620 -It's amazing the burden of proof that you need 849 00:37:36,655 --> 00:37:39,222 to convince a jury that something happened, 850 00:37:39,258 --> 00:37:42,392 especially -- especially from a woman's point of view. 851 00:37:42,427 --> 00:37:43,960 A woman has to stand on her head 852 00:37:43,996 --> 00:37:46,863 trying to prove that they were assaulted 853 00:37:46,898 --> 00:37:49,266 or sexually assaulted. 854 00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:50,700 I think, hopefully, down the road, 855 00:37:50,736 --> 00:37:53,470 it's gonna be easier for women, 856 00:37:53,505 --> 00:37:55,438 especially now with the "Me, Too" movement 857 00:37:55,474 --> 00:37:57,607 and all these things that are happening. 858 00:37:57,643 --> 00:37:59,276 -I don't know. 859 00:37:59,311 --> 00:38:02,979 I look around, and I think we're in a strange time. 860 00:38:03,015 --> 00:38:05,949 We have not come as far as I would have hoped we had 861 00:38:05,984 --> 00:38:09,252 in the last 30-something years. 862 00:38:09,288 --> 00:38:11,588 -We were just entering into the age 863 00:38:11,623 --> 00:38:17,794 where women were demanding attention and rights and respect 864 00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:20,497 and some balance in our justice system, 865 00:38:20,532 --> 00:38:24,134 and Jennifer's case brought that to the surface. 866 00:38:24,169 --> 00:38:25,902 -I mean, okay, I get it. People die. 867 00:38:25,937 --> 00:38:27,504 Sure. Death happens. 868 00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:31,308 My dog died, you know. I understand death. 869 00:38:31,343 --> 00:38:34,477 But this person who was your best friend, 870 00:38:34,513 --> 00:38:39,616 this magnetic, kind, funny, warm person was killed? 871 00:38:39,651 --> 00:38:42,986 This is really important, these bits and bobs, 872 00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:46,189 of who this person Jennifer Levin was 873 00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:48,024 and the false narrative 874 00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:51,961 of how she was portrayed. 875 00:38:51,997 --> 00:38:55,265 -Jennifer was a good kid. She was responsible. 876 00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:59,936 She was excited about going away to college. 877 00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:02,472 She had a bright future. 878 00:39:02,507 --> 00:39:03,807 She was my flesh and blood. 879 00:39:03,842 --> 00:39:05,342 Even just to think how sad it was 880 00:39:05,377 --> 00:39:08,144 that she spent the last few moments of her life, 881 00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:11,548 that someone didn't care about her or value her, 882 00:39:11,583 --> 00:39:13,183 it's very sad. 883 00:39:13,218 --> 00:39:16,319 Can't get over that one. 884 00:39:16,355 --> 00:39:18,088 It's too painful. 885 00:39:19,091 --> 00:39:23,109 ♪♪ 886 00:39:23,145 --> 00:39:26,996 -Detective Sheehan. 887 00:39:27,032 --> 00:39:29,232 How are you, my friend? -What's up? 888 00:39:29,267 --> 00:39:30,500 How you doin'? How are you? 889 00:39:30,535 --> 00:39:32,168 -Okay. How are you? 890 00:39:32,204 --> 00:39:33,903 -The thing that haunts me 891 00:39:33,939 --> 00:39:37,507 is to think that he killed her here, 892 00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,343 brutally beat her and strangled her. 893 00:39:40,379 --> 00:39:43,179 Every time I go to Central Park, especially in that area, 894 00:39:43,215 --> 00:39:47,150 I'll bless myself when I pass the tree. 895 00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:51,020 I'll never forget this case as long as I live. 896 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:54,257 ♪♪ 897 00:39:54,292 --> 00:39:55,992 -I think we expect our monsters 898 00:39:56,027 --> 00:39:59,028 to step out from behind trees, 899 00:39:59,064 --> 00:40:01,765 strangers that your mother warns you about, 900 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,702 and, in fact, it was the monster in our midst. 901 00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:09,406 It was the guy we hung out with, we wanted to be with, 902 00:40:09,441 --> 00:40:10,573 because he was cool, 903 00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:14,744 and he was extremely handsome. 904 00:40:14,780 --> 00:40:16,713 The number of times I would wake up and just think, 905 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:21,184 "If I could just grab Jennifer Levin by the hand 906 00:40:21,219 --> 00:40:24,921 and say, 'Don't go into the park with him.'" 907 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:30,427 ♪♪ 908 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:35,131 -I remember when the trial was over, 909 00:40:35,167 --> 00:40:39,068 I was contacted by Robert Abrams, 910 00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:42,305 our attorney general. 911 00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:46,443 And he sent me a letter about a bill that he's working on 912 00:40:46,478 --> 00:40:49,145 that said you can't bring up 913 00:40:49,181 --> 00:40:53,550 a crime victim's sexual past into court. 914 00:40:53,585 --> 00:40:55,251 It's called the Rape Shield Bill. 915 00:40:55,287 --> 00:40:57,387 I'd never read a bill in my life. 916 00:40:57,422 --> 00:41:00,623 I called his office, and I said to him, 917 00:41:00,659 --> 00:41:02,559 "What about deceased victims? 918 00:41:02,594 --> 00:41:04,894 They shouldn't have their sexual past introduced 919 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:07,730 in a case that's not a sexual case." 920 00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:09,466 And he said, "You're absolutely right. 921 00:41:09,501 --> 00:41:11,768 If I add it, will you come to Albany?" 922 00:41:11,803 --> 00:41:14,938 And I was like, "You know what? 923 00:41:14,973 --> 00:41:16,439 This is what I was made to do. 924 00:41:16,475 --> 00:41:20,343 This is what Jennifer would want me to do." 925 00:41:20,378 --> 00:41:24,147 And we formed a lobby group called Justice for All. 926 00:41:24,182 --> 00:41:25,982 ♪♪ 927 00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:30,954 For 10 years, we managed to pass 13 pieces of legislation 928 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:33,923 to protect victims of crime. 929 00:41:33,959 --> 00:41:35,792 I'm very proud of all the legislation 930 00:41:35,827 --> 00:41:38,828 I was able to pass the 10 years that I worked in Albany, 931 00:41:38,864 --> 00:41:40,263 lobbying for victims' rights. 932 00:41:40,298 --> 00:41:41,297 We started Justice for All... 933 00:41:41,333 --> 00:41:42,532 A lot of people get through 934 00:41:42,567 --> 00:41:45,134 a lot of horrible things and survive. 935 00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:48,538 I'm an example of it, because, trust me, 936 00:41:48,573 --> 00:41:52,342 32 years ago, I didn't think I'd be here now. 937 00:41:52,377 --> 00:41:54,377 But I am. 938 00:41:54,412 --> 00:41:56,613 ♪♪ 939 00:41:56,648 --> 00:41:58,348 And I tell you... 940 00:41:58,383 --> 00:42:00,216 that wasn't just me. 941 00:42:00,252 --> 00:42:02,118 It was me and Jen. 942 00:42:02,153 --> 00:42:13,263 ♪♪ 77967

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