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This programme contains discussions of sexual abuse, rape,

This programme contains discussions of sexual abuse, rape,

This programme contains discussions of sexual abuse, rape,

domestic violence, and violence from the start and throughout.

domestic violence, and violence from the start and throughout.

domestic violence, and violence from the start and throughout.

MAN: Well, why are you going to sit here and blame me?

MAN: Well, why are you going to sit here and blame me?

For after all I've done, you're going to...

For after all I've done, you're going to...

I have to come home and deal with you, too?

I have to come home and deal with you, too?

I love you, you don't have to do this to me, Kathryn.

I love you, you don't have to do this to me, Kathryn.

WOMAN:Then act like you love me.

I do act like I love you.

I came home smiling and bringing you Wendy's.

I came home smiling and bringing you Wendy's.

Can I see your phone? I need to update something.

Can I see your phone? I need to update something.

No.

What do you mean, no?

Let me see your phone.

No.

BANGING Let me see your phone, please.

BANGING Let me see your phone, please.

I won't. Why are you treating me this way?

I won't. Why are you treating me this way?

What are you hiding from me?

Give me your phone.

Give me your phone.

SCREAMS: Stop ignoring me!

SCREAMS: Stop ignoring me!

SCUFFLING

SCUFFLING

What are you doing?

I'm getting out of this negative atmosphere.

I'm getting out of this negative atmosphere.

No. Stop it.

Ow! Stop!

SCUFFLING, CRYING

No!

Just get a few...

Get your breath back.

That's it.

Slowly in. Not the most dignified.

Slowly in. Not the most dignified.

MIRANDA, VOICEOVER:After so many years, I know him inside out.

MIRANDA, VOICEOVER:After so many years, I know him inside out.

I kind of know what the world is about a little bit,

I kind of know what the world is about a little bit,

and I think that I would pick up,

and I think that I would pick up,

and I think it would slip after,

and I think it would slip after,

you know, five years or whatever.

you know, five years or whatever.

HE TAKES SHUDDERING BREATH

HE TAKES SHUDDERING BREATH

TRAFFIC BUSTLE

TRAFFIC BUSTLE

DOG BARKS

Sit. DOG GROWLS

It's OK.

You have to sit down. Sit down.

You have to sit down. Sit down.

Just sit down.

INTERVIEWER:How does it feel that people say your husband is a rapist?

INTERVIEWER:How does it feel that people say your husband is a rapist?

INTERVIEWER:How does it feel that people say your husband is a rapist?

SHE SIGHS

It makes me feel like I want to hide away,

It makes me feel like I want to hide away,

It makes me feel like I want to hide away,

because it's...

..it's just the most surreal,

bizarre statement to ever...to hear about your husband.

bizarre statement to ever...to hear about your husband.

bizarre statement to ever...to hear about your husband.

You get married and everything is a fairy tale,

You get married and everything is a fairy tale,

and then, you're in this situation which is not a fairy tale any more.

and then, you're in this situation which is not a fairy tale any more.

and then, you're in this situation which is not a fairy tale any more.

The person that I know and love

The person that I know and love

is not that person,

is not that person,

and to me, they're...they're completely different people entirely

and to me, they're...they're completely different people entirely

and to me, they're...they're completely different people entirely

and there's just no way that my husband is

and there's just no way that my husband is

the person that they say

the person that they say

and that he has done those sorts of crimes.

and that he has done those sorts of crimes.

and that he has done those sorts of crimes.

You know, there's just no way in my mind.

You know, there's just no way in my mind.

What sort of husband is Arthur?

What sort of husband is Arthur?

Oh, my husband Arthur,

Oh, my husband Arthur,

he is a true romantic,

he is a true romantic,

old-school romantic.

old-school romantic.

Um, he's loving,

Um, he's loving,

he's kind.

He's a great listener.

He's a great listener.

He's just a gentleman at heart.

He's just a gentleman at heart.

He's just a gentleman at heart.

You know, wears his heart on his sleeve

You know, wears his heart on his sleeve

and has a real kind of sense of his emotions.

and has a real kind of sense of his emotions.

and has a real kind of sense of his emotions.

Really conscious of my emotions, too.

Really conscious of my emotions, too.

So, you know, he's just a wonderful husband.

So, you know, he's just a wonderful husband.

It was a very whirlwind romance.

It was a very whirlwind romance.

He didn't propose.

He just said, "Let's get married."

He just said, "Let's get married."

I was so excited.

I was hoping that we would be each other's world.

I was hoping that we would be each other's world.

Unfortunately, very quickly, I realised

Unfortunately, very quickly, I realised

that's not what I was going to get.

that's not what I was going to get.

So, back in 2015, how old were you?

So, back in 2015, how old were you?

I was 26 years old.

I belonged to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,

I belonged to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,

which some people would say Mormon.

which some people would say Mormon.

You know, I wanted to meet the man of my dreams

You know, I wanted to meet the man of my dreams

and you know, get married, have children,

and you know, get married, have children,

a beautiful family and, yeah, just kind of have that

a beautiful family and, yeah, just kind of have that

stereotypical suburban family life.

stereotypical suburban family life.

stereotypical suburban family life.

How did you meet Nick?

I met Nicholas in church.

I met Nicholas in church.

It was my first time attending a singles ward,

It was my first time attending a singles ward,

It was my first time attending a singles ward,

which was for people single under 30.

which was for people single under 30.

And it was just a time to go to church

And it was just a time to go to church

and do activities together and get to know one another.

and do activities together and get to know one another.

And I sat down,

And I sat down,

I believe it was the same pew as Nick.

I believe it was the same pew as Nick.

I could smell the cologne coming off of him.

I could smell the cologne coming off of him.

It smelled like very nice cologne.

It smelled like very nice cologne.

He was about 28 or 29.

He was about 28 or 29.

What is this guy about?

What is this guy about?

I could sense there was something about him.

I could sense there was something about him.

You could tell he was educated,

You could tell he was educated,

well-off,

smart

and like a go-getter.

and like a go-getter.

He was kind.

He was always eager to gift me -

He was always eager to gift me -

flowers or, you know, a necklace or...

flowers or, you know, a necklace or...

flowers or, you know, a necklace or...

Um, very material items.

Um, very material items.

I was flattered.

Here is this man who seems to be able

Here is this man who seems to be able

Here is this man who seems to be able

to take really good care of me,

to take really good care of me,

who shows interest in me,

who appreciates me.

Why would I not want to pursue that?

Why would I not want to pursue that?

Nick and I met in the spring of 2015

Nick and I met in the spring of 2015

Nick and I met in the spring of 2015

and we were married by October 2015.

and we were married by October 2015.

Our wedding was not a fairy tale.

Our wedding was not a fairy tale.

It was Nick, myself and the officiator.

It was Nick, myself and the officiator.

No honeymoon,

no special occasion or anything.

no special occasion or anything.

I felt very robbed.

I felt very robbed.

I always wanted, you know, my dad to walk me down the aisle

I always wanted, you know, my dad to walk me down the aisle

in a white dress,

to be a celebration with family and friends.

to be a celebration with family and friends.

To then be able to go on a honeymoon

To then be able to go on a honeymoon

and just really feel that love.

and just really feel that love.

Then we went home,

"home" being Nick's house before our marriage.

"home" being Nick's house before our marriage.

"home" being Nick's house before our marriage.

Something in him just changed.

Something in him just changed.

Now we're married,

Now we're married,

he believes he has me and he can treat me however he wants.

he believes he has me and he can treat me however he wants.

he believes he has me and he can treat me however he wants.

SCUFFLING, CRYING

KATHRYN:Stop.

KATHRYN:Stop.

SCUFFLING CONTINUES

NICK: I'm sorry.

Yeah, bullshit you are!

Ouch! Ow!

Ow...! Ow!

CRYING:Fuck you!

Let me out!

I'm sorry for yelling.

Don't...! I'll stop. Then let me out!

Don't...! I'll stop. Then let me out!

VOICEOVER:Nick thrived off controlling me.

VOICEOVER:Nick thrived off controlling me.

He took my phone

and locked me in the bathroom.

and locked me in the bathroom.

The longest time was about two days.

The longest time was about two days.

I did not have food.

Just running water.

There were so many times where it would get physical.

There were so many times where it would get physical.

There were so many times where it would get physical.

I had a black eye,

a knife to my throat.

I didn't even feel safe in our own bed.

I didn't even feel safe in our own bed.

He took control there, too.

He took control there, too.

He would rape me constantly.

He would rape me constantly.

I always felt so dirty.

I always felt so dirty.

I was disgusted by him.

I was disgusted by him.

I didn't want to be near him.

I didn't want to be near him.

I hated my life.

I hated Nick.

I was like, you know, "If he were to kill me today,

I was like, you know, "If he were to kill me today,

"I'd be OK with that.

"cos it's better than...

"..than what I'm going through."

"..than what I'm going through."

What did I do that I deserve this?

What did I do that I deserve this?

SHE SNIFFLES I'm sorry.

SHE SNIFFLES I'm sorry.

After 19 days of being married,

After 19 days of being married,

the violence was already so intense,

the violence was already so intense,

daily and brutal

daily and brutal

that he was arrested.

that he was arrested.

And what happened to Nick, then?

Um, he was being charged with domestic violence.

Um, he was being charged with domestic violence.

When he was in jail,

I could hear his voice,

I could hear his voice,

him telling me, this is my fault.

him telling me, this is my fault.

And unfortunately,

And unfortunately,

I bailed him out.

I bailed him out.

I paid $25,000 to bail out my abuser.

I paid $25,000 to bail out my abuser.

I paid $25,000 to bail out my abuser.

NICK: Detective O'Connell, this is Nicholas, how are you?

NICK: Detective O'Connell, this is Nicholas, how are you?

O'CONNELL:Good, man. What's up?

O'CONNELL:Good, man. What's up?

Good. Er, I just wanted to talk to you a bit,

Good. Er, I just wanted to talk to you a bit,

you know, just,

you know, man-to-man for,

you know, man-to-man for,

you know, a couple of minutes.

Um, and I mean that in the best way possible.

He had me turn on my phone to record

He had me turn on my phone to record

He had me turn on my phone to record

He had me turn on my phone to record

a conversation he was going to have with Detective O'Connell,

a conversation he was going to have with Detective O'Connell,

a conversation he was going to have with Detective O'Connell,

in hopes that Detective O'Connell

in hopes that Detective O'Connell

in hopes that Detective O'Connell

might say something that might excuse

might say something that might excuse

Nick's behaviour or put blame on me.

Nick's behaviour or put blame on me.

Nick's behaviour or put blame on me.

Well, I...

You know, you saw a snapshot of a relationship, you know,

You know, you saw a snapshot of a relationship, you know,

You know, you saw a snapshot of a relationship, you know,

and it was distorted unfortunately by your deputies.

and it was distorted unfortunately by your deputies.

and it was distorted unfortunately by your deputies.

You know,

there was no violence at my...

there was no violence at my...

And I did not put my hands on her.

And I did not put my hands on her.

OK.

Are we in agreement there or no?

Are we in agreement there or no?

Detective O'Connell told me

Detective O'Connell told me

that he does rounds on our house,

that he does rounds on our house,

that he does rounds on our house,

and that he's afraid that the next time he does a round,

and that he's afraid that the next time he does a round,

I will either be chained up in the basement or dead.

I will either be chained up in the basement or dead.

I will either be chained up in the basement or dead.

Well, did you tell her to get away from me?

Well, did you tell her to get away from me?

And that's what you told her? You told her to "fix it or move on"?

And that's what you told her? You told her to "fix it or move on"?

Are we going to say to Nick...

I'm not... Look, Detective...

Why do you think he's the way he is?

Why do you think he's the way he is?

I have learned, with Nick,

I have learned, with Nick,

the truth is terrifying.

the truth is terrifying.

MAN: Are you ready? CROWD:Yeah!

Here we go.

SONG INTRO STARTS

SONG INTRO STARTS

# So I sing you to sleep

# So I sing you to sleep

# After the lovin'

# After the lovin'

# With a song I just wrote yesterday... # Do you remember?

# With a song I just wrote yesterday... # Do you remember?

# And I hope you can hear

# And I hope you can hear

# What the words and the music have to say

# What the words and the music have to say

# What the words and the music have to say

# It's so hard to explain... #

# It's so hard to explain... #

"David Anthony makes young hearts throb."

"David Anthony makes young hearts throb."

I'm David Anthony.

That was my stage name.

That was my stage name.

I was the number one Engelbert Humperdinck impersonator

I was the number one Engelbert Humperdinck impersonator

in the country. I was labelled the most accurate duplication

in the country. I was labelled the most accurate duplication

of Engelbert Humperdinck by Engelbert.

We're friends to this day.

# ..Every day I wake up

# Then I start to break up

# Then I start to break up

# Lonely is a man without love

# Lonely is a man without love

# Lonely is a man without love

# Every day I start out

# Then I cry my heart out

# Then I cry my heart out

# Lonely is a man without love...

# Lonely is a man without love...

ROSSI SINGS: # Every day I wake up

# Then I start to break up

# Then I start to break up

# Knowing that it's cloudy above

# Knowing that it's cloudy above

# Every day I start out

# Every day I start out

# Then I cry my heart out...

# Then I cry my heart out...

# Lonely is a man...

# Lonely is a man...

# Lonely is a man without love...

# Lonely is a man without love...

# ..Love. #

# ..Love. #

Did you detect Engelbert in the voice?

Did you detect Engelbert in the voice?

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Thank you.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Thank you.

This is a picture of Engelbert on the golf course

This is a picture of Engelbert on the golf course

with Nicky and his brother and sister.

with Nicky and his brother and sister.

HE CHUCKLES

HE CHUCKLES

We interrupted his game but he didn't care.

We interrupted his game but he didn't care.

What did Nicky think of Engelbert?

Well, he liked him. He liked him, cos Daddy liked him, you know.

Well, he liked him. He liked him, cos Daddy liked him, you know.

Lot of memories here.

Ah, the queen.

My ex-wife Diana, Nicky's mother,

My ex-wife Diana, Nicky's mother,

dressed up as Superwoman.

dressed up as Superwoman.

She was a diamond, a diamond.

She was gorgeous,

absolutely beautiful.

She loved the kids.

So, tell me about Nicholas, what's he like?

So, tell me about Nicholas, what's he like?

What was he like as a young boy?

Nicholas, I'll be honest with you, was treacherous.

Nicholas, I'll be honest with you, was treacherous.

Couldn't get along with nobody.

Couldn't get along with nobody.

Wouldn't listen to me or his mother.

Wouldn't listen to me or his mother.

He ruined every Thanksgiving, every Christmas,

He ruined every Thanksgiving, every Christmas,

every birthday party. He would hit his mother,

every birthday party. He would hit his mother,

he got thrown out of numerous schools.

he got thrown out of numerous schools.

He would urinate on his brother's bed.

He would urinate on his brother's bed.

Why? Just to do it.

Why? Just to do it.

Just to get the brother in trouble.

You know, he would cry, literally cry tears to his mother,

You know, he would cry, literally cry tears to his mother,

"I want to be a good boy. Mommy, I want to be a good boy."

"I want to be a good boy. Mommy, I want to be a good boy."

And she would tell him, "But why don't you, Nicky?"

And she would tell him, "But why don't you, Nicky?"

"I don't know how." He was just treacherous.

"I don't know how." He was just treacherous.

Bad, bad, bad child.

And what do you think he thought of you?

And what do you think he thought of you?

I think he thought I was a good dad.

I tried to be, you know?

But I was very strict with him because of his behaviour.

But I was very strict with him because of his behaviour.

You know, I was very strict with him.

You know, I was very strict with him.

I'll tell you what happened with me and Nicky in Disney World.

I'll tell you what happened with me and Nicky in Disney World.

We went to Planet Hollywood in Florida to get souvenirs.

We went to Planet Hollywood in Florida to get souvenirs.

We went to Planet Hollywood in Florida to get souvenirs.

She said to him, "Nicky, wait in the van. I'll be right out." "No!"

She said to him, "Nicky, wait in the van. I'll be right out." "No!"

She said to him, "Nicky, wait in the van. I'll be right out." "No!"

He had to be up the mother's butt.

He had to be up the mother's butt.

He wanted to be with the mother every second,

He wanted to be with the mother every second,

wouldn't take no for an answer.

He got so out of control,

he started hitting her.

I grabbed him, stopped him from hitting the mother.

I grabbed him, stopped him from hitting the mother.

He was swearing at me, calling me names.

He was swearing at me, calling me names.

He was swinging, so I swung back and I lost it.

He was swinging, so I swung back and I lost it.

I couldn't stop.

And I hit him so hard I broke his nose,

And I hit him so hard I broke his nose,

I broke his jaw, I broke his teeth,

I broke his jaw, I broke his teeth,

the blood was everywhere.

It was like I was hitting another man.

It was like I was hitting another man.

How old was Nick?

I think he had to be maybe 12, 13 something like that. I forget.

I think he had to be maybe 12, 13 something like that. I forget.

I'm surprised I didn't kill him.

I'm surprised I didn't kill him.

How many times did you punch him?

Probably ten.

You punched a 12-year-old boy ten times?

You punched a 12-year-old boy ten times?

Yeah.

I couldn't handle it no more.

I couldn't handle it no more.

My nerves were shot.

What happened was,

she took him into Planet Hollywood

she took him into Planet Hollywood

to get some paper towels for the bleeding, for his nose and stuff.

to get some paper towels for the bleeding, for his nose and stuff.

And some man said to him, "What happened to you?"

And some man said to him, "What happened to you?"

He said, "My dad beat me up."

So, they called the police.

Now the police come, I had all my jewellery on and stuff,

Now the police come, I had all my jewellery on and stuff,

he said, "Give all your jewellery to your wife."

I said, "Why?" He said, "You're going to jail."

I beat him up bad.

I put him in the hospital.

The judge said to me,

The judge said to me,

"Your wife says she has proof on paper

"Your wife says she has proof on paper

"how out of control he is."

He said, "We accept it. You walk."

He said, "We accept it. You walk."

He said, "If not, you're going to jail for ten years."

He said, "If not, you're going to jail for ten years."

So, what happened?

They've seen proof of his records,

They've seen proof of his records,

being in a mental hospital, another mental hospital,

being in a mental hospital, another mental hospital,

behavioural programmes, and they let me go.

behavioural programmes, and they let me go.

They knew I couldn't handle it.

That wasn't me, you know what I mean?

That wasn't me, you know what I mean?

But I just... I lost it.

I literally lost it.

I literally lost it.

I just couldn't control myself.

I just couldn't control myself.

And I know he hates me for it.

Matter of fact, he said to me at the time, "Why did you do this to me?"

Matter of fact, he said to me at the time, "Why did you do this to me?"

Did you feel guilty?

I'll always feel guilty till the day I die.

I'll always feel guilty till the day I die.

Do you think that incident had any effect on his life?

Do you think that incident had any effect on his life?

You don't think that is why he is the way he is now?

You don't think that is why he is the way he is now?

No, no, that has nothing to do with the way he is,

No, no, that has nothing to do with the way he is,

he's always been like that.

I didn't bring him up this way to be like this.

I didn't bring him up this way to be like this.

I tried to raise him in a good way.

I tried to raise him in a good way.

So did his mother.

Nicky is Nicky.

One day, I went downstairs in the basement,

One day, I went downstairs in the basement,

and I was just trying to tidy up,

and I was just trying to tidy up,

and Nick had a lot of cardboard boxes filled

and Nick had a lot of cardboard boxes filled

with stuff sitting around from maybe when he first moved in.

with stuff sitting around from maybe when he first moved in.

I just wanted to clean up,

get things in order.

In one of those boxes,

I found dozens

I found dozens

of little black notebooks in Nick's handwriting.

of little black notebooks in Nick's handwriting.

They seemed to be logs

They seemed to be logs

and a tally of...of women

and a tally of...of women

from different states around the US.

from different states around the US.

from different states around the US.

There were some very intimate things

There were some very intimate things

written about these women's personal lives.

written about these women's personal lives.

written about these women's personal lives.

And I remember one entry very clearly.

And I remember one entry very clearly.

Um, I can't remember her name but, you know,

Um, I can't remember her name but, you know,

at a certain university, showed her class schedule,

at a certain university, showed her class schedule,

likes, dislikes. She has a boyfriend.

likes, dislikes. She has a boyfriend.

You know, a note to himself,

do not approach her when she's with her boyfriend.

do not approach her when she's with her boyfriend.

And out of fear,

And out of fear,

I briefly glanced at these other journals.

I briefly glanced at these other journals.

I briefly glanced at these other journals.

Dozens of them.

And they all seemed to be the same thing.

And they all seemed to be the same thing.

Tracking these women and their daily routines,

Tracking these women and their daily routines,

like a stalker.

It seemed like something you would see in a movie.

It seemed like something you would see in a movie.

Like some strange behaviour

Like some strange behaviour

Like some strange behaviour

you would see from a psychopath.

you would see from a psychopath.

Why do you think he kept them?

Why do you think he kept them?

I think he was stalking out his next victim.

I think he was stalking out his next victim.

I would be shocked if he never took notes on me.

I would be shocked if he never took notes on me.

I would be shocked if he never took notes on me.

And I was terrified by the reality of the situation

And I was terrified by the reality of the situation

and terrified that Nick would find out

and terrified that Nick would find out

I'd discovered these journals.

I put them back as precisely as I could

I put them back as precisely as I could

I put them back as precisely as I could

and I didn't mention a word to him.

I prayed for strength.

I prayed for strength.

This voice told me, "Get out.

This voice told me, "Get out.

"Get out."

I was petrified.

And Nick's chasing me in the car behind me.

And Nick's chasing me in the car behind me.

My goal was just to get as far away.

My goal was just to get as far away.

I knew if he talked to me,

I knew if he talked to me,

he would manipulate me into coming back.

he would manipulate me into coming back.

If that didn't work,

he would force me back,

so he could rape me, beat me, lock me in the bathroom.

so he could rape me, beat me, lock me in the bathroom.

so he could rape me, beat me, lock me in the bathroom.

That wasn't an option for my any more.

That wasn't an option for my any more.

The adrenaline and the determination I had,

The adrenaline and the determination I had,

The adrenaline and the determination I had,

that fight to survive, to get away from him,

that fight to survive, to get away from him,

that fight to survive, to get away from him,

was just overpowering me.

was just overpowering me.

I was so distraught...

I was so distraught...

..and focused on getting away from Nick

..and focused on getting away from Nick

that I had not paid attention to a red light in front of me.

that I had not paid attention to a red light in front of me.

And went through it

and caused a head-on collision.

and caused a head-on collision.

As soon as that happened, Nick fled the scene.

As soon as that happened, Nick fled the scene.

The police came, nobody was hurt.

The police came, nobody was hurt.

Get a divorce.

That was my number one goal.

That was my number one goal.

No longer be his wife.

So with that,

So with that,

I was granted a civil protection order.

I was granted a civil protection order.

Nick was ordered out, to vacate our...our house,

Nick was ordered out, to vacate our...our house,

Nick was ordered out, to vacate our...our house,

so I could go back

so I could go back

and retrieve some of my personal belongings.

and retrieve some of my personal belongings.

and retrieve some of my personal belongings.

Nick never handed his key over to the police

Nick never handed his key over to the police

and the first time I go back to our house,

and the first time I go back to our house,

I take my mom, in fear that Nick will be there.

I take my mom, in fear that Nick will be there.

We open the door, there's no Nick,

We open the door, there's no Nick,

but there is a gun.

And that was Nick saying,

And that was Nick saying,

"I'm still here.

"I'm still here.

"I still have control.

"I still have control.

"I'm still in your life. You haven't gotten rid of me."

"I'm still in your life. You haven't gotten rid of me."

Nicholas Rossi is a monster.

Nicholas Rossi is a monster.

That seven months of marriage to Nick

That seven months of marriage to Nick

will cost me the rest of my life.

will cost me the rest of my life.

He is so dangerous.

People need to know how dangerous he is.

People need to know how dangerous he is.

And I can't wait for the day for him to meet his maker

And I can't wait for the day for him to meet his maker

and to get the ultimate punishment.

and to get the ultimate punishment.

Nicholas Rossi is charged with three crimes in Utah.

Nicholas Rossi is charged with three crimes in Utah.

Rape in Utah County.

Rape in Salt Lake County.

Rape in Salt Lake County.

And sexual battery in Salt Lake County.

And sexual battery in Salt Lake County.

The first victim was a woman identified as KP

The first victim was a woman identified as KP

and that case began the international manhunt

and that case began the international manhunt

for Nicholas Rossi.

We began looking for Nicholas Rossi

and we found out that the FBI was also looking for Nicholas Rossi.

and we found out that the FBI was also looking for Nicholas Rossi.

We learned that the FBI had charged him in Ohio

We learned that the FBI had charged him in Ohio

under the name of Nicholas Alahverdian,

under the name of Nicholas Alahverdian,

for fraud and identity theft,

cos he stole $200,000 approximately,

cos he stole $200,000 approximately,

from his foster parents in Ohio.

from his foster parents in Ohio.

The FBI told Nicholas Rossi or Nicholas Alahverdian

The FBI told Nicholas Rossi or Nicholas Alahverdian

that they were looking for him,

and so that sent Nicholas Rossi underground.

and so that sent Nicholas Rossi underground.

We were looking for Nicholas Rossi,

and we found out that he'd left the United States on June 4th, 2017.

and we found out that he'd left the United States on June 4th, 2017.

and we found out that he'd left the United States on June 4th, 2017.

He left New York and went to Dublin.

He left New York and went to Dublin.

Rossi then travelled from Dublin on to London,

Rossi then travelled from Dublin on to London,

and then, from London on to Essex

and then, from London on to Essex

where he went to live with a woman called Michelle Minnar.

where he went to live with a woman called Michelle Minnar.

Then Rossi disappears and the trail goes cold.

Then Rossi disappears and the trail goes cold.

Then, according to his obituary and his family,

Then, according to his obituary and his family,

Rossi died on February 29th, 2020, of cancer.

Rossi died on February 29th, 2020, of cancer.

Rossi died on February 29th, 2020, of cancer.

We didn't believe Nicholas Rossi was dead.

We didn't believe Nicholas Rossi was dead.

We wouldn't have charged him had we thought he was dead.

We wouldn't have charged him had we thought he was dead.

The investigation and the charging was done

The investigation and the charging was done

in secrecy because if he knew that we'd charged him,

in secrecy because if he knew that we'd charged him,

we knew that that would drive him further underground.

we knew that that would drive him further underground.

Our next breakthrough came

when one of our investigators here in Utah located

when one of our investigators here in Utah located

an Irish driver's licence under the name of Nicholas Brown.

an Irish driver's licence under the name of Nicholas Brown.

But the photograph on the Irish driver's licence

But the photograph on the Irish driver's licence

matched known photographs that we had of Nicholas Rossi.

matched known photographs that we had of Nicholas Rossi.

That driver's licence not only had a photograph,

That driver's licence not only had a photograph,

it also had an address.

And so, we tracked Nicholas Brown to an address in Bristol, England,

And so, we tracked Nicholas Brown to an address in Bristol, England,

And so, we tracked Nicholas Brown to an address in Bristol, England,

where he was living with a woman named Miranda Knight.

where he was living with a woman named Miranda Knight.

I'm Miranda Knight and I have a business,

I'm Miranda Knight and I have a business,

a mosaic business called Miranda Knight Mosaics.

a mosaic business called Miranda Knight Mosaics.

So, this is my dog kennel, which is being produced.

So, this is my dog kennel, which is being produced.

This is just the start,

so you have to wait and see how it's going to turn out.

so you have to wait and see how it's going to turn out.

We naturally assumed that she was his next victim.

We naturally assumed that she was his next victim.

But then, he leaves Bristol and he disappears,

But then, he leaves Bristol and he disappears,

and we lose track of him.

We obtain a warrant

to search Nicholas Rossi's iCloud device.

to search Nicholas Rossi's iCloud device.

We were able to see that Nicholas Rossi had photographs of himself

We were able to see that Nicholas Rossi had photographs of himself

We were able to see that Nicholas Rossi had photographs of himself

in Glasgow under the assumed name of Arthur Knight.

in Glasgow under the assumed name of Arthur Knight.

Scottish Police then went to the address of Arthur Knight

Scottish Police then went to the address of Arthur Knight

Scottish Police then went to the address of Arthur Knight

where they met Miranda Knight.

where they met Miranda Knight.

Miranda told the police that her husband was in hospital

Miranda told the police that her husband was in hospital

with a severe case of Covid.

with a severe case of Covid.

Following that lead, the police went to the hospital

Following that lead, the police went to the hospital

and they found a man registered under

and they found a man registered under

the name of Arthur Knight,

unconscious in a coma with Covid-19.

unconscious in a coma with Covid-19.

They found distinctive tattoos on his arms

They found distinctive tattoos on his arms

that matched Nicholas Rossi's tattoos.

that matched Nicholas Rossi's tattoos.

NEWSREADER:Utah County attorney David Leavitt

says police in the US

sent pictures to authorities in Scotland

sent pictures to authorities in Scotland

and hospital staff confirmed they had their guy.

and hospital staff confirmed they had their guy.

They also took his fingerprints

and matched those fingerprints with

and matched those fingerprints with

the fingerprints obtained in

the Mary Grebinski case from Ohio in 2008.

the Mary Grebinski case from Ohio in 2008.

That finally confirmed for us that we had found Nicholas Rossi.

That finally confirmed for us that we had found Nicholas Rossi.

Once he finds out that we're onto him,

Once he finds out that we're onto him,

we get a tip that he's trying to escape.

we get a tip that he's trying to escape.

You know, he's got to great lengths to hide his whereabouts

You know, he's got to great lengths to hide his whereabouts

and he went to great lengths, I believe,

and he went to great lengths, I believe,

to get out of the hospital in Scotland,

to get out of the hospital in Scotland,

insofar as even trying to hire a private ambulance

insofar as even trying to hire a private ambulance

to be able to get away.

And before he's able to escape, we arrest him.

And before he's able to escape, we arrest him.

And that's the moment we finally caught Nicholas Rossi.

And that's the moment we finally caught Nicholas Rossi.

How did you feel in that moment?

How did you feel in that moment?

It was... It was euphoric.

One of the few times when you really understand that you've done good

One of the few times when you really understand that you've done good

and you're truly taking a dangerous man off the street.

and you're truly taking a dangerous man off the street.

and you're truly taking a dangerous man off the street.

But at this point,

I had no idea that Nicholas Rossi would go to war against me.

I had no idea that Nicholas Rossi would go to war against me.

I had no idea that Nicholas Rossi would go to war against me.

TRAFFIC BUSTLE

TRAFFIC BUSTLE

All of the media around the world

All of the media around the world

are following the corrupt nature of David Leavitt.

are following the corrupt nature of David Leavitt.

He has lied and lied and lied in every interview

He has lied and lied and lied in every interview

and he chose the wrong person

and he chose the wrong person

to try to ignite on fire,

to try to ignite on fire,

because I'm on fire now, and now that we're on the offence,

because I'm on fire now, and now that we're on the offence,

he is going to be needing a...

he is going to be needing a...

..very large team on the pitch

..very large team on the pitch

to try to say that I am a rapist,

to try to say that I am a rapist,

because the truth needs to be known.

I was thinking that everybody had got it wrong

I was thinking that everybody had got it wrong

and that Arthur was at the centre of a serious case of mistaken identity.

and that Arthur was at the centre of a serious case of mistaken identity.

and that Arthur was at the centre of a serious case of mistaken identity.

One of the ways they identified him

was the fact that he had these distinctive tattoos.

was the fact that he had these distinctive tattoos.

When I saw his arm, there was no tattoos

When I saw his arm, there was no tattoos

and there was no scarring whatsoever that hinted at any tattoo removal.

and there was no scarring whatsoever that hinted at any tattoo removal.

and there was no scarring whatsoever that hinted at any tattoo removal.

But I needed to check and I did find

But I needed to check and I did find

that tattoo removal is so good these days

that tattoo removal is so good these days

that it was possible for tattoos to be removed

that it was possible for tattoos to be removed

and to leave absolutely no scarring.

and to leave absolutely no scarring.

And that's when I thought, "This is what he could have done."

And that's when I thought, "This is what he could have done."

When he was bailed, he could have gone and got his tattoos removed.

When he was bailed, he could have gone and got his tattoos removed.

And then I knew I had to investigate further

And then I knew I had to investigate further

to find out his true identity. Who was he really?

to find out his true identity. Who was he really?

And it wasn't long at all before

And it wasn't long at all before

the very dark side of Arthur Knight began to shine through.

the very dark side of Arthur Knight began to shine through.

I wanted to see his Irish driving licence.

I wanted to see his Irish driving licence.

I text him. I text him and I said, "Can you please take a photograph

I text him. I text him and I said, "Can you please take a photograph

"of your Irish driving licence and send it to me?"

"of your Irish driving licence and send it to me?"

Oh, my God...

He rang me.

MOBILE VIBRATES

MOBILE VIBRATES

He was absolutely possessed with anger

He was absolutely possessed with anger

and I remember my doorbell went.

and I remember my doorbell went.

DOORBELL RINGS

I was expecting a plumber

and I thought this'll get him off the phone and I said,

and I thought this'll get him off the phone and I said,

"I have to go, I have to answer the door."

"I have to go, I have to answer the door."

He was shouting down the phone, he said,

"Don't answer the door, talk to me."

"Don't answer the door, talk to me."

I went to the door, and you know, let the plumber in

I went to the door, and you know, let the plumber in

and that was it and I still was on the phone to him,

it was just like, good God, you know?

it was just like, good God, you know?

I should have hung up, I should have hung up.

I should have hung up, I should have hung up.

But it was this control that he...

..I don't know, he managed to have over me.

..I don't know, he managed to have over me.

I'd seen a very, very scary side.

I'd seen a very, very scary side.

It was horrendous.

At this stage, I was no longer thinking he was Arthur.

At this stage, I was no longer thinking he was Arthur.

And it was my mission, then, to go out to prove this.

And it was my mission, then, to go out to prove this.

And I found online several images of Nicholas Rossi

And I found online several images of Nicholas Rossi

And I found online several images of Nicholas Rossi

with his very distinctive tooth gap.

with his very distinctive tooth gap.

We had arranged to go round to his flat

We had arranged to go round to his flat

to do another interview with him.

to do another interview with him.

I had to confront him.

I had to confront him.

JANE: Can I just show you a picture?

NICK:Of course. What do you...? What do you see there?

NICK:Of course. What do you...? What do you see there?

A photo that was on the New York Times.

This is a picture of Nicholas Rossi

This is a picture of Nicholas Rossi

with a very distinctive gap between his two...

with a very distinctive gap between his two...

A very large diastema. ..upper front teeth.

A very large diastema. ..upper front teeth.

He kept on saying it was a diastema.

A diastema, now I know, is a very fancy word for saying a tooth gap.

A diastema, now I know, is a very fancy word for saying a tooth gap.

A diastema, now I know, is a very fancy word for saying a tooth gap.

But I'd never heard the word "diastema" before,

but he kept on saying,

"Diastema. My diastema's not as big as his diastema."

"Diastema. My diastema's not as big as his diastema."

I want to ask the question.

I want to ask the question.

This interview is over. No, it's not over.

This interview is over. No, it's not over.

This is my last que...This is my house. This is my last question.

This is my last que...This is my house. This is my last question.

Do you have a gap between your two upper front teeth?No.

Do you have a gap between your two upper front teeth?No.

Take your mask off.No.

Take your mask off.You've seen my face. Take your mask off.

Take your mask off.You've seen my face. Take your mask off.

You've seen my face. I am not that man.

Well, why don't you take your mask off, then?

Because I need oxygen to breathe.

No, I saw you take your mask off when you were on the phone.

No, I saw you take your mask off when you were on the phone.

Take your mask off, please.

Jane, I am very, very surprised at you,

Jane, I am very, very surprised at you,

Jane, because you do not understand the... I do understand.

Jane, because you do not understand the... I do understand.

Jane, because you do not understand the... I do understand.

I do understand. Anyway.

Texting me in the middle of the night.That's lovely.

I've got it on my phone. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah.

I've got it on my phone. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah.

That's going straight to the legal team.

That's going straight to the legal team.

That's going straight to the... I have got it all on my phone.

That's going straight to the... I have got it all on my phone.

You're texting me in the middle of the night.Texting you...

You're texting me in the middle of the night.Texting you...

Three o'clock in the morning, five o'clock in the morning.

Three o'clock in the morning, five o'clock in the morning.

You're not manipulating me any more.

You're absolutely... I'm not manipulating you.

You're absolutely... I'm not manipulating you.

..not manipulating me any more. You're the...

..not manipulating me any more. You're the...

You're the one who wants to make money off of this story.

You're the one who wants to make money off of this story.

It's blood money. It's not blood money.

That's what you are, a hunter. You're living a lie.

That's what you are, a hunter. You're living a lie.

I just thought, you think you've got away with this

I just thought, you think you've got away with this

and you're not. You're not going to get away with it with me.

and you're not. You're not going to get away with it with me.

Please leave my home.

Please leave my home.

Now.

You're Nicholas Rossi. No, I'm not.

You're Nicholas Rossi. No, I'm not.

You are Nicholas Alahverdian.No, I'm not. You are Nicholas Rossi.

You are Nicholas Alahverdian.No, I'm not. You are Nicholas Rossi.

I KNEW this was Nicholas Rossi.

I KNEW this was Nicholas Rossi.

This was the man.

This was the man.

REPORTER:Is he Nicholas Alahverdian of Rhode Island

REPORTER:Is he Nicholas Alahverdian of Rhode Island

or Arthur Knight from the United Kingdom?

or Arthur Knight from the United Kingdom?

In just days, a Scottish court is poised to weigh in on that question.

In just days, a Scottish court is poised to weigh in on that question.

Next tonight, a court case in Edinburgh,

Next tonight, a court case in Edinburgh,

which is trying to determine the identity of a man

which is trying to determine the identity of a man

alleged to be an American fugitive.

WOMAN:Your days of Arthur Knight are over!

MAN:Are you Arthur Knight? Are you Arthur Knight or Nicholas Rossi?

MAN:Are you Arthur Knight? Are you Arthur Knight or Nicholas Rossi?

Guys, make way. Make way, please. Step back.

Guys, make way. Make way, please. Step back.

MAN 2:Mr Rossi!

WOMAN:This is the endgame for you, isn't it?

Not a word comes out of his mouth.

Not a word comes out of his mouth.

He's silent.

I think he realised the net was closing in on him.

I think he realised the net was closing in on him.

This is 11 months coming

and the man in question turns up in chains.

and the man in question turns up in chains.

It was almost medieval, I thought. Absolutely medieval.

It was almost medieval, I thought. Absolutely medieval.

I mean, I've never seen anything like it before.

I mean, I've never seen anything like it before.

And he's no longer wearing an oxygen mask.

And he's no longer wearing an oxygen mask.

Court rise.

CLERK:Nicholas Rossi,

are you Nicholas Rossi, also known as Arthur Knight?

are you Nicholas Rossi, also known as Arthur Knight?

Thank you.

This hearing is concerned solely with

This hearing is concerned solely with

the question whether Mr Knight is the person

the question whether Mr Knight is the person

whose extradition is sought as

the accused person in the proceedings in Utah,

the accused person in the proceedings in Utah,

and who is known as Nicholas Rossi.

We heard that after he was arrested,

We heard that after he was arrested,

his fingerprints were taken

his fingerprints were taken

and then there was a fingerprint expert that came on board

and then there was a fingerprint expert that came on board

that compared the fingerprints of Arthur Knight

that compared the fingerprints of Arthur Knight

to those of Nicholas Rossi on the Interpol Red Notice.

to those of Nicholas Rossi on the Interpol Red Notice.

And how were they described?

They were described as identical.

They were described as identical.

Miranda?

The fingerprints match that of Nicholas Rossi.

The fingerprints match that of Nicholas Rossi.

You are Nicholas Rossi.

What was Arthur's explanation for the fingerprints?

What was Arthur's explanation for the fingerprints?

He said that during the time he was in the hospital,

He said that during the time he was in the hospital,

during one of the comas that he was in, that an NHS worker,

during one of the comas that he was in, that an NHS worker,

he called him "Patrick", he said, came and took his fingerprints

he called him "Patrick", he said, came and took his fingerprints

he called him "Patrick", he said, came and took his fingerprints

and sent them over to the District Attorney David Leavitt in Utah

and sent them over to the District Attorney David Leavitt in Utah

for him to bolster his extradition case for Rossi.

for him to bolster his extradition case for Rossi.

To try and frame Arthur?

Yes, to try and frame him.

What did you think of that? I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

What did you think of that? I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

Everybody's mouths were just like wide open.

It was like, "What on earth have we just heard?"

It was like, "What on earth have we just heard?"

MAN:Are you losing confidence in your case, sir,

MAN:Are you losing confidence in your case, sir,

after yesterday's evidence?

Are you losing confidence, sir?

Are you losing confidence, sir?

Are you going to win this after yesterday's evidence?

Are you going to win this after yesterday's evidence?

SUBDUED CLAMOUR

SUBDUED CLAMOUR

One of the witnesses was a nurse who treated Arthur

One of the witnesses was a nurse who treated Arthur

in the intensive care ward at the hospital in Glasgow.

in the intensive care ward at the hospital in Glasgow.

She said that the mugshots and the images of the arms

She said that the mugshots and the images of the arms

that were on the Interpol Red Notice matched the face

that were on the Interpol Red Notice matched the face

that were on the Interpol Red Notice matched the face

and the tattooed arms of the patient

and the tattooed arms of the patient

that she treated in the intensive care ward.

that she treated in the intensive care ward.

She said she knew him as Arthur Knight

She said she knew him as Arthur Knight

and talked about one of the tattoos being like a crest.

and talked about one of the tattoos being like a crest.

And she said some were faded, but some were really quite prominent.

And she said some were faded, but some were really quite prominent.

So, what was Arthur's explanation for how the tattoos were on him?

So, what was Arthur's explanation for how the tattoos were on him?

SHE LAUGHS

Arthur's explanation for this was something else.

Arthur's explanation for this was something else.

So picture the scene at the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital.

So picture the scene at the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital.

So picture the scene at the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital.

Some random tattooist comes into the hospital,

Some random tattooist comes into the hospital,

gets himself up to the intensive care ward at the height of Covid

gets himself up to the intensive care ward at the height of Covid

gets himself up to the intensive care ward at the height of Covid

and sits at the bedside of Arthur Knight

and sits at the bedside of Arthur Knight

and starts painstakingly, you know, doing the tattoos,

and starts painstakingly, you know, doing the tattoos,

brings all his equipment in to do his tattoos.

brings all his equipment in to do his tattoos.

All the hospital staff are there.

A couple of days later, he wakes up from his coma

and he looks at his arm to think, "Oh, my God,

"I've been tattooed while I've been in the hospital!"

That's something else. And they're the same as Nicholas Rossi!

That's something else. And they're the same as Nicholas Rossi!

Just, like, what?!

I mean it was the biggest load of rubbish.

I mean it was the biggest load of rubbish.

When he was bailed,

he must have made it his mission

he must have made it his mission

to get those tattoos removed.

to get those tattoos removed.

I was convinced that Rossi, in one of the many ways that he's duped

I was convinced that Rossi, in one of the many ways that he's duped

I was convinced that Rossi, in one of the many ways that he's duped

and conned people over the years on both sides of the Atlantic,

and conned people over the years on both sides of the Atlantic,

that I was one of them, that that's what he had done.

that I was one of them, that that's what he had done.

He saw me coming.

Oh, my God, when I think about it now...

Oh, my God, when I think about it now...

The sheriff will return here on Friday where he will determine

The sheriff will return here on Friday where he will determine

The sheriff will return here on Friday where he will determine

whether the man is Nicholas Rossi or as he says, Arthur Knight.

whether the man is Nicholas Rossi or as he says, Arthur Knight.

This is the latest in a long-running series of hearings over the course

This is the latest in a long-running series of hearings over the course

of the last few months in this international manhunt.

of the last few months in this international manhunt.

On the final day of the identity hearing,

On the final day of the identity hearing,

he turns up, as always, in his wheelchair, in his suit.

he turns up, as always, in his wheelchair, in his suit.

he turns up, as always, in his wheelchair, in his suit.

But on this day,

he has got on this black felt hat.

he has got on this black felt hat.

he has got on this black felt hat.

It's like a hat that Churchill used to wear. I mean, it was some image.

It's like a hat that Churchill used to wear. I mean, it was some image.

It's like a hat that Churchill used to wear. I mean, it was some image.

I am ultimately satisfied on the balance of probabilities

I am ultimately satisfied on the balance of probabilities

by the evidence of fingerprint,

photographic and tattoo evidence taken together,

photographic and tattoo evidence taken together,

supported by the evidence of changes of name,

supported by the evidence of changes of name,

that Mr Knight is indeed Nicholas Rossi,

that Mr Knight is indeed Nicholas Rossi,

the person whose extradition is requested by the United States.

the person whose extradition is requested by the United States.

the person whose extradition is requested by the United States.

The court will adjourn.

I was very surprised that Nicholas Rossi didn't respond in any way.

I was very surprised that Nicholas Rossi didn't respond in any way.

I was very surprised that Nicholas Rossi didn't respond in any way.

I was very surprised that Nicholas Rossi didn't respond in any way.

He just sat there very quietly and he accepted it. Didn't say anything.

He just sat there very quietly and he accepted it. Didn't say anything.

MAN:Mr Rossi, do you accept you lied? Do you accept you lied?

MAN:Mr Rossi, do you accept you lied? Do you accept you lied?

MAN 2:Nicholas, you've completely failed to pull the wool

MAN 2:Nicholas, you've completely failed to pull the wool

over their eyes, haven't you?

Open your eyes, Nick.

Nicholas... Nicholas...

CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK

Today's ruling does not guarantee

Alahverdian will be returned to the US.

Alahverdian will be returned to the US.

The court now moves to the formal extradition process.

The court now moves to the formal extradition process.

NEWSREADER:The next step in the extradition process begins

NEWSREADER:The next step in the extradition process begins

with a full hearing expected for March.

with a full hearing expected for March.

Nicholas Rossi remains locked up in Scotland until then.

Nicholas Rossi remains locked up in Scotland until then.

Clear a path, please, thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd be so kind?

Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd be so kind?

REPORTER: Miranda Knight left saying nothing after her evidence,

REPORTER: Miranda Knight left saying nothing after her evidence,

in which she described the last three months as "torture"

in which she described the last three months as "torture"

and "hard to cope emotionally".

and "hard to cope emotionally".

She said there had been "a total change in the man that she loves".

She said there had been "a total change in the man that she loves".

How do you feel about Nicholas stringing you along for years?

How do you feel about Nicholas stringing you along for years?

How do you feel about Nicholas stringing you along for years?

Miranda, do you feel lied to?

Do you still stand by your husband?

Do you still stand by your husband?

WOMAN:What does this mean for your future, Miranda?

WOMAN:What does this mean for your future, Miranda?

MAN:Miranda, are you done with Nicholas?

MAN:Miranda, are you done with Nicholas?

DOG BARKS

JANE: I do believe her, that she loves him deeply.

JANE: I do believe her, that she loves him deeply.

You know, she could have walked away from him,

he's been in prison quite a lot now.

he's been in prison quite a lot now.

I mean, whether she thinks he's Arthur Knight or not,

I mean, whether she thinks he's Arthur Knight or not,

I can't get my head around it, really.

I can't get my head around it, really.

I mean, so Miranda is his latest wife

I mean, so Miranda is his latest wife

who's been thrown into this mess.

who's been thrown into this mess.

But then there was this mystery wife, Louise,

But then there was this mystery wife, Louise,

who helped him fake his death.

She was relentless in the many, many phone calls

She was relentless in the many, many phone calls

She was relentless in the many, many phone calls

she made to journalists,

she made to journalists,

state representatives, priests, you know,

state representatives, priests, you know,

trying to arrange a memorial service.

trying to arrange a memorial service.

But actually, most people thought that it was,

But actually, most people thought that it was,

you know, Nicholas Rossi with a voice-changing app,

you know, Nicholas Rossi with a voice-changing app,

that's what everybody was saying.

It was absolutely fundamental to our investigation

It was absolutely fundamental to our investigation

that we found some audio recording of Louise.

that we found some audio recording of Louise.

And once we got the audio,

it blew the whole thing out of the water for me.

it blew the whole thing out of the water for me.

Reports of ritualistic sexual abuse.

Reports of ritualistic sexual abuse.

REPORTER:Murder and cannibalism.

MAN: These are the most lurid, outrageous allegations

MAN: These are the most lurid, outrageous allegations

I've ever heard made.

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