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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,233 --> 00:00:03,402 -A young woman's body was found in Central Park. 2 00:00:03,437 --> 00:00:07,039 -She was identified as Jennifer Levin. 3 00:00:07,074 --> 00:00:09,908 -She was just a bubbly, outgoing, wonderful kid -- 4 00:00:09,944 --> 00:00:11,210 beautiful girl. 5 00:00:11,245 --> 00:00:15,547 -My mother said, "They strangled my baby." 6 00:00:15,583 --> 00:00:17,916 -This kid put up the fight of her life. 7 00:00:17,952 --> 00:00:19,351 I mean, who does that? 8 00:00:19,387 --> 00:00:21,587 That person has to pay. 9 00:00:21,622 --> 00:00:24,089 -Police began to question friends, 10 00:00:24,125 --> 00:00:26,759 and a name kept coming up. 11 00:00:26,794 --> 00:00:28,227 -Robert Chambers. 12 00:00:28,262 --> 00:00:32,264 Oh, who's Robert Chambers? 13 00:00:32,299 --> 00:00:35,701 -She was just having her way. I was screaming in pain. 14 00:00:35,736 --> 00:00:37,469 I couldn't take it anymore. 15 00:00:37,505 --> 00:00:40,205 I yanked her as hard as I could, and she just flipped over me. 16 00:00:40,241 --> 00:00:41,740 And then she didn't move. 17 00:00:41,776 --> 00:00:49,882 ♪♪ 18 00:00:49,917 --> 00:00:57,956 ♪♪ 19 00:00:57,992 --> 00:01:06,065 ♪♪ 20 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:08,067 [Static] 21 00:01:08,102 --> 00:01:10,269 -Alright. 22 00:01:10,304 --> 00:01:12,137 -Robert Chambers was giving his version 23 00:01:12,173 --> 00:01:15,974 of the events in Central Park between him and Jennifer Levin. 24 00:01:21,482 --> 00:01:24,583 -Uh, last night I was supposed to meet a girl named Alex Kapp 25 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:28,153 at Dorrian's at 10:30, and I got to Dorrian's late. 26 00:01:28,189 --> 00:01:31,256 I got there about 11:30. 27 00:01:31,292 --> 00:01:35,094 -He was talking freely. 28 00:01:35,129 --> 00:01:39,665 He hadn't asked for a lawyer, he did not seem nervous. 29 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:42,968 He was telling a story, and he was sticking to it. 30 00:01:43,003 --> 00:01:47,840 -According to him, she's the one who suggests going to the park. 31 00:01:47,875 --> 00:01:50,509 She's the one who's the sexual aggressor. 32 00:01:52,646 --> 00:01:55,814 -She started to play with me. She started jerking me off. 33 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:58,984 You know, I started to say, "Stop it, stop it. It hurts." 34 00:01:59,019 --> 00:02:00,853 I just grabbed and yanked her as hard as I could, 35 00:02:00,888 --> 00:02:04,523 and she just flipped over me and landed right next to the tree. 36 00:02:04,558 --> 00:02:06,692 And then she didn't move. 37 00:02:06,727 --> 00:02:08,193 -He had no intent to hurt her. 38 00:02:08,229 --> 00:02:11,029 It an accident as to how she wound up dead. 39 00:02:13,033 --> 00:02:14,299 -So I... 40 00:02:14,335 --> 00:02:16,201 [Groans] 41 00:02:16,237 --> 00:02:18,003 I was lying like this... -Okay. 42 00:02:18,038 --> 00:02:20,305 -...okay, on my back, and I couldn't move, 43 00:02:20,341 --> 00:02:22,674 and I managed to get this hand free, my legs are out 44 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:26,044 and she's facing this way, sitting, really, on my chest. 45 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,014 So I reached up like this and grabbed, 46 00:02:29,049 --> 00:02:31,116 and I came down like that on my hand. 47 00:02:33,087 --> 00:02:35,821 She came over this way and landed right there, 48 00:02:35,856 --> 00:02:37,489 right next to the tree. 49 00:02:37,525 --> 00:02:40,192 So I stood up, and, uh, I said, "Jennifer, let's go. 50 00:02:40,227 --> 00:02:43,996 Let's get out of here now," and she didn't move. 51 00:02:44,031 --> 00:02:46,565 So I went over and I shook the body, 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,734 and there was nothing happening, no response. 53 00:02:51,605 --> 00:02:53,672 At that -- -A dead body? 54 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:54,873 -No, I had no idea. 55 00:02:54,909 --> 00:02:56,341 I thought she was kidding around. 56 00:02:56,377 --> 00:02:58,343 So I shook her, and there was nothing. 57 00:03:00,447 --> 00:03:02,981 She didn't move a muscle, not a finger, anything. 58 00:03:05,452 --> 00:03:07,753 -I wouldn't say he was arrogant, 59 00:03:07,788 --> 00:03:09,688 but he certainly gave the impression 60 00:03:09,723 --> 00:03:13,592 that there was no reason why we should not believe his story 61 00:03:13,627 --> 00:03:15,427 and that he should just be let go. 62 00:03:21,635 --> 00:03:22,701 -No, I didn't want to -- I was scared. 63 00:03:22,736 --> 00:03:24,002 I didn't want to touch her. 64 00:03:25,739 --> 00:03:26,939 All I did was cross the street 65 00:03:26,974 --> 00:03:29,608 and sit down and sit there and stare. 66 00:03:30,911 --> 00:03:34,880 No, I just stared. That's all I did. 67 00:03:34,915 --> 00:03:36,248 That's all I could do. 68 00:03:36,283 --> 00:03:38,283 [Police radio chatter] 69 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:40,052 -And when you see the people who arrive, 70 00:03:40,087 --> 00:03:41,486 the ambulances and the other people, 71 00:03:41,522 --> 00:03:44,056 you just disappear and -- -No, I stayed there, 72 00:03:44,091 --> 00:03:45,724 and I watched. 73 00:03:47,995 --> 00:03:49,628 I didn't say anything. 74 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,901 -You stayed there and watch the police come 75 00:03:55,936 --> 00:04:00,639 and find the body that you left of a young woman 76 00:04:00,674 --> 00:04:04,309 that you knew that you had relations with? 77 00:04:04,345 --> 00:04:08,080 You just left her in the grass, somebody's daughter? 78 00:04:08,115 --> 00:04:10,582 You know... 79 00:04:10,618 --> 00:04:14,987 -After that, I just walked home, and I just went to sleep. 80 00:04:15,022 --> 00:04:19,157 And when I woke up, I thought it was a dream. 81 00:04:19,193 --> 00:04:20,459 -You thought this was all a dream? 82 00:04:20,494 --> 00:04:21,994 -When I woke up at first, I was like, 83 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:23,629 you know, "That had to be a dream." 84 00:04:23,664 --> 00:04:27,165 And about 10 minutes after that, the police rang up 85 00:04:27,201 --> 00:04:28,967 and came upstairs to ask me some questions, 86 00:04:29,003 --> 00:04:31,169 and then I've been here since 1:30. 87 00:04:38,812 --> 00:04:41,113 -I pressed him, because I simply didn't believe him. 88 00:04:41,148 --> 00:04:44,616 I thought his story was nonsense from the beginning. 89 00:04:46,153 --> 00:04:47,286 -No. 90 00:04:54,361 --> 00:04:56,695 But I'm not gonna do anything to harm her at all. 91 00:04:57,731 --> 00:05:00,198 What am I gonna do, hit her with a stick or something? 92 00:05:05,172 --> 00:05:10,542 -His explanation as to how this happened just doesn't jive 93 00:05:10,577 --> 00:05:14,713 with what she looks like on that autopsy table. 94 00:05:14,748 --> 00:05:19,051 She was all busted up, and it was -- It was gruesome. 95 00:05:19,086 --> 00:05:20,719 You didn't have to be a doctor -- 96 00:05:20,754 --> 00:05:23,288 You could just see this with your own two eyes. 97 00:05:26,694 --> 00:05:28,160 -I haven't seen the photos, 98 00:05:28,195 --> 00:05:30,996 and I'd really rather not see the photos. 99 00:05:31,031 --> 00:05:34,633 -I took the pictures out, and I threw the photos on the desk. 100 00:05:51,118 --> 00:05:52,818 -Yes, I can see that. 101 00:05:56,557 --> 00:05:57,589 Yeah. 102 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:00,759 No, I doubt I would be laughing. 103 00:06:02,563 --> 00:06:04,029 It makes no sense that somebody could do that. 104 00:06:04,064 --> 00:06:05,530 It makes no sense that somebody could put 105 00:06:05,566 --> 00:06:07,199 your hands behind your back 106 00:06:07,234 --> 00:06:09,101 and push you down and then get on top of your chest. 107 00:06:11,638 --> 00:06:14,373 So, you can move if you have no arms to push anybody off -- 108 00:06:20,914 --> 00:06:22,381 -No way. 109 00:06:22,416 --> 00:06:23,749 -Do you think I'm gonna give her the consent 110 00:06:23,784 --> 00:06:27,119 to squeeze my balls and jerk me off? 111 00:06:27,154 --> 00:06:28,553 Why not? 112 00:06:28,589 --> 00:06:29,788 I'm -- I'm sure that I've heard 113 00:06:29,823 --> 00:06:31,390 about other men being raped, 114 00:06:31,425 --> 00:06:35,127 men being held up, tied up. 115 00:06:35,162 --> 00:06:36,561 Well, good. You're lucky. 116 00:06:36,597 --> 00:06:37,729 You're very lucky. 117 00:06:37,765 --> 00:06:38,964 It's not a ve-- 118 00:06:44,605 --> 00:06:47,072 Good. That really makes no difference to me, 119 00:06:47,107 --> 00:06:48,240 you see, 'cause it happens. 120 00:06:48,275 --> 00:06:50,475 It can happen. It did happen. 121 00:06:50,511 --> 00:06:52,144 Her friends knew she was all over me. 122 00:06:52,179 --> 00:06:53,912 She told her friends she definitely gonna (no audio) 123 00:06:53,947 --> 00:06:57,082 tonight, my friends know I didn't want to go with her, 124 00:06:57,117 --> 00:06:58,483 I didn't even want to talk to her, 125 00:06:58,519 --> 00:06:59,985 they knew I wanted to go home, 126 00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:01,987 they knew I was there to see other people. 127 00:07:08,362 --> 00:07:12,264 I didn't mean to hurt her. I liked her very much. 128 00:07:12,299 --> 00:07:14,666 She was very nice person, easy to get along to, 129 00:07:14,701 --> 00:07:16,301 and easy to talk to. 130 00:07:16,336 --> 00:07:18,937 She was just too pushy, and she liked me more than 131 00:07:18,972 --> 00:07:22,507 I thought -- more than anybody actually thought. 132 00:07:24,978 --> 00:07:28,814 -He had this entire story down pat in his head. 133 00:07:28,849 --> 00:07:31,483 This was rough sex, this poor boy -- 134 00:07:31,518 --> 00:07:34,319 you know, she was hurting him in Central Park. 135 00:07:34,354 --> 00:07:37,489 -It was an affront to your common sense. 136 00:07:37,524 --> 00:07:39,791 Will that be enough to get a conviction? 137 00:07:39,827 --> 00:07:42,260 I think it would be enough to get a conviction. 138 00:07:48,402 --> 00:07:52,304 -We all stood up, and, Robert, he said to me, 139 00:07:52,339 --> 00:07:53,705 "Well, are we finished?" 140 00:07:53,740 --> 00:07:56,308 And I said, "What are you talking about? 141 00:07:56,343 --> 00:07:58,543 What don't you understand? You're under arrest. 142 00:07:58,579 --> 00:08:00,512 You're being charged with murder." 143 00:08:00,547 --> 00:08:03,315 So he sat back down, like, shaking his head. 144 00:08:03,350 --> 00:08:04,349 He seemed shocked. 145 00:08:04,384 --> 00:08:11,823 ♪♪ 146 00:08:11,859 --> 00:08:14,659 -Robert Chambers is transported down to Central Booking 147 00:08:14,695 --> 00:08:18,363 and goes through the booking procedure. 148 00:08:18,398 --> 00:08:20,565 It became apparent when we went outside 149 00:08:20,601 --> 00:08:23,001 that this was gonna be a large news story 150 00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:26,238 from the amount of people that were there. 151 00:08:26,273 --> 00:08:27,739 -From a detective's point of view, 152 00:08:27,774 --> 00:08:30,342 everything's tied up in a package. 153 00:08:30,377 --> 00:08:32,844 We thought this was a home run. 154 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,980 But that's not what happened. 155 00:08:39,685 --> 00:08:42,354 -A suspect is under arrest in the murder of a young woman 156 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:44,256 whose body was found in Central Park, 157 00:08:44,291 --> 00:08:48,026 and police say he was not a stranger. 158 00:08:48,061 --> 00:08:50,195 -Robert Chambers had confessed 159 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:53,532 to causing the death of Jennifer Levin, 160 00:08:53,567 --> 00:08:57,102 and it was front-page news everywhere. 161 00:08:57,137 --> 00:08:59,070 -Chambers came into this Central Park Precinct 162 00:08:59,106 --> 00:09:01,373 on his own yesterday afternoon. 163 00:09:01,408 --> 00:09:03,275 He was asked to come in for questioning. 164 00:09:03,310 --> 00:09:04,776 When police saw him, 165 00:09:04,811 --> 00:09:07,412 they noticed scratches on his face and chest. 166 00:09:07,447 --> 00:09:09,447 After several hours questioning, they arrested him 167 00:09:09,483 --> 00:09:11,716 and charged him with second-degree murder. 168 00:09:11,752 --> 00:09:14,419 They think the scratches were made by Jennifer Levin 169 00:09:14,454 --> 00:09:16,855 as she tried to fight off his attack. 170 00:09:18,926 --> 00:09:22,394 -From the beginning, we expected this was gonna be a huge story. 171 00:09:22,429 --> 00:09:24,062 -Attractive, popular, a week away 172 00:09:24,097 --> 00:09:25,797 from starting college in Boston -- 173 00:09:25,832 --> 00:09:27,599 Jennifer Levin had so much going for her, 174 00:09:27,634 --> 00:09:29,434 and then her life ended. 175 00:09:29,469 --> 00:09:32,804 -19-year-old Robert Chambers, described as a handsome preppy 176 00:09:32,839 --> 00:09:34,739 from an upper-class neighborhood, 177 00:09:34,775 --> 00:09:37,742 now faces a murder rap. 178 00:09:37,778 --> 00:09:40,245 -It just wasn't your normal homicide. 179 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,280 There was something to to this that was gonna have legs 180 00:09:42,316 --> 00:09:44,749 and was gonna be in the papers for a while, and it was. 181 00:09:44,785 --> 00:09:50,088 -When we saw the young person who was accused of killing her, 182 00:09:50,123 --> 00:09:53,625 everybody in the news room stopped in their tracks, 183 00:09:53,660 --> 00:09:55,827 because here was a young man 184 00:09:55,862 --> 00:10:00,665 who looked like the Hollywood Adonis. 185 00:10:00,701 --> 00:10:03,335 We found out he came from the Upper East Side, 186 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:05,337 lived in a beautiful neighborhood, 187 00:10:05,372 --> 00:10:08,440 attended private schools. 188 00:10:08,475 --> 00:10:10,208 How did this happen? 189 00:10:10,243 --> 00:10:13,445 -She was 18, a prep school graduate on her way to college. 190 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,782 He was part of the same New York circle, young and well-off. 191 00:10:17,818 --> 00:10:21,987 -It's the haves, it's the world of privilege -- private schools, 192 00:10:22,022 --> 00:10:25,457 Upper East Side, a Kennedy-esque-looking 193 00:10:25,492 --> 00:10:27,859 young man accused of murder. 194 00:10:27,894 --> 00:10:30,795 -The victim and the accused, both prep school educated, 195 00:10:30,831 --> 00:10:34,132 came from what people called "good homes." 196 00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:38,637 -You had two young white people presumed to be of privilege, 197 00:10:38,672 --> 00:10:42,374 both had attended different private schools, they'd come 198 00:10:42,409 --> 00:10:46,144 from a very well-known bar in the Upper East Side, 199 00:10:46,179 --> 00:10:48,213 so there was underage drinking -- 200 00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:54,519 All of those elements just drove this case to media attention. 201 00:10:54,554 --> 00:10:56,388 -This sort of story was not supposed to happen 202 00:10:56,423 --> 00:10:57,856 to privileged children 203 00:10:57,891 --> 00:11:00,325 who go to private schools made out of mansions 204 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,827 who do not leave home without American Express. 205 00:11:02,863 --> 00:11:09,501 ♪♪ 206 00:11:09,536 --> 00:11:12,504 -Being a tabloid reporter, when you wake up in the morning, 207 00:11:12,539 --> 00:11:13,538 what do you think of? 208 00:11:13,573 --> 00:11:15,073 You think of -- "I've gotta -- 209 00:11:15,108 --> 00:11:17,175 I gotta get that story." 210 00:11:17,210 --> 00:11:18,443 That never leaves you. 211 00:11:18,478 --> 00:11:21,246 Even 10 years after I've retired, 212 00:11:21,281 --> 00:11:25,083 I still lust for that scoop every day. 213 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,054 Why was Robert Chambers a good story? 214 00:11:29,089 --> 00:11:30,689 Well... 215 00:11:30,724 --> 00:11:32,557 you have youth, 216 00:11:32,592 --> 00:11:34,693 you have money, 217 00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:36,261 you have sex, 218 00:11:36,296 --> 00:11:38,863 you have death. 219 00:11:38,899 --> 00:11:40,532 It just gripped the city. 220 00:11:40,567 --> 00:11:47,772 ♪♪ 221 00:11:47,808 --> 00:11:52,110 -That night, I went to my apartment. 222 00:11:52,145 --> 00:11:53,878 I was in a very bad way. 223 00:11:53,914 --> 00:11:57,082 Everyone else in my family had somebody. 224 00:11:57,117 --> 00:11:59,050 You know, my husband had his wife, 225 00:11:59,086 --> 00:12:01,386 and Danielle had Jeff, 226 00:12:01,421 --> 00:12:04,723 and my parents had each other, and... 227 00:12:04,758 --> 00:12:08,293 and I was single, and I could not -- 228 00:12:08,328 --> 00:12:10,762 I just couldn't cope. 229 00:12:10,797 --> 00:12:13,798 I was in bad shape. 230 00:12:13,834 --> 00:12:17,769 My daughter had a great group of friends, very popular, 231 00:12:17,804 --> 00:12:21,906 always around people, happy, doing well in school. 232 00:12:21,942 --> 00:12:27,145 Honestly, I would never have expected that. 233 00:12:27,180 --> 00:12:29,647 It was shocking to me. 234 00:12:29,683 --> 00:12:31,249 -After she died, people would tell me 235 00:12:31,284 --> 00:12:34,419 to be strong for my parents, and, um, I don't -- 236 00:12:34,454 --> 00:12:36,921 I don't think people truly realize -- 237 00:12:36,957 --> 00:12:39,424 You know, losing a child's an awful thing. 238 00:12:39,459 --> 00:12:42,427 I don't think people realize how -- how close siblings are. 239 00:12:44,364 --> 00:12:46,631 It was kind like we were two sides of a coin, 240 00:12:46,666 --> 00:12:51,603 and that just one side was just sheared off of me. 241 00:12:51,638 --> 00:12:53,138 I'm an only child now. 242 00:12:53,173 --> 00:12:58,276 ♪♪ 243 00:12:58,311 --> 00:13:00,645 -Do you have anything else you'd like to say 244 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,680 about the judge's decision? -Not -- Not really. 245 00:13:02,716 --> 00:13:06,017 I hope you can appreciate that feeling at this point. 246 00:13:06,052 --> 00:13:08,286 -I remember very shortly after 247 00:13:08,321 --> 00:13:11,022 Robert's father hired an excellent trial lawyer. 248 00:13:11,057 --> 00:13:13,625 -Not guilty. 249 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:15,794 -Jack Litman. Wow. 250 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:18,129 Jack was one of the best around. 251 00:13:18,165 --> 00:13:20,298 I think he was a brilliant lawyer, 252 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:23,802 and Chambers was very lucky to have him, indeed. 253 00:13:23,837 --> 00:13:26,671 -Chambers remains behind bars at Rikers Island. 254 00:13:26,706 --> 00:13:30,842 His attorney says he may use the insanity defense. 255 00:13:30,877 --> 00:13:32,811 -An insanity plea an option here? 256 00:13:32,846 --> 00:13:34,546 -It's always an option, but right now the plea 257 00:13:34,581 --> 00:13:37,148 is not guilty, and the defense says 258 00:13:37,184 --> 00:13:41,486 that this was an unfortunate, accidental killing. 259 00:13:41,521 --> 00:13:43,021 Thanks a lot. 260 00:13:43,056 --> 00:13:45,990 -Jack Litman was one of the preeminent 261 00:13:46,026 --> 00:13:48,660 criminal defense attorneys at that time. 262 00:13:48,695 --> 00:13:50,829 I had just left the District Attorney's office, 263 00:13:50,864 --> 00:13:53,665 and I took a position with Jack, 264 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:56,334 and I remembered I got into the office, 265 00:13:56,369 --> 00:13:59,237 and he said, "Oh, we got retained on this case." 266 00:13:59,272 --> 00:14:03,074 This was a challenging, fascinating, high-profile case, 267 00:14:03,109 --> 00:14:05,710 and he wanted it. 268 00:14:05,745 --> 00:14:09,681 -Jack had a little extra edge, 269 00:14:09,716 --> 00:14:13,184 dogged when he got on a case, kind of relentless. 270 00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:18,022 But the most striking thing was that it didn't bother him 271 00:14:18,058 --> 00:14:20,525 to attack victims of crime. 272 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,361 -If you're not zealous in representing your client, 273 00:14:23,396 --> 00:14:24,796 then you shouldn't be in a courtroom. 274 00:14:24,831 --> 00:14:26,931 -Well, now, what -- what does "zealous" mean? 275 00:14:26,967 --> 00:14:29,400 -Zealous means that you do everything you can 276 00:14:29,436 --> 00:14:33,705 within the bounds of law to represent your client. 277 00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:37,609 -If he could dirty up the reputation of the victim, 278 00:14:37,644 --> 00:14:39,277 he would do so, 279 00:14:39,312 --> 00:14:42,213 and he would do it as far as he could get away with it. 280 00:14:42,249 --> 00:14:45,383 He would go right to the edge. 281 00:14:45,418 --> 00:14:47,552 -Mr. Litman, first of all, um, 282 00:14:47,587 --> 00:14:49,120 I heard some reports in the newspaper 283 00:14:49,155 --> 00:14:53,124 that said that he had confessed to some degree. 284 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:56,561 -He made statements that indicated, among other things, 285 00:14:56,596 --> 00:14:59,430 that there seemed to be advances by Jennifer Levin 286 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:02,600 and that a series of events, sexual and otherwise, 287 00:15:02,636 --> 00:15:04,969 led to this -- uh, to this tragedy. 288 00:15:06,273 --> 00:15:09,407 [Car horn honks, sirens wail in distance ] 289 00:15:09,442 --> 00:15:10,909 -I'll never forget it. 290 00:15:10,944 --> 00:15:13,411 Saracco said to me, "Did you see the paper?" 291 00:15:13,446 --> 00:15:14,913 I said, "No." 292 00:15:14,948 --> 00:15:16,614 He said, "Well, do yourself a favor, go buy 293 00:15:16,650 --> 00:15:18,917 The Daily News or The Post. 294 00:15:18,952 --> 00:15:21,419 The headlines are "Rough sex." 295 00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:24,589 -Chambers claims she forced him into a sexual encounter 296 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:27,759 that got rough, hurting him. 297 00:15:27,794 --> 00:15:31,629 -Could this have happened during rough sex? 298 00:15:31,665 --> 00:15:32,997 "Rough sex? 299 00:15:33,033 --> 00:15:36,000 I never heard of it, but tell me more." 300 00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:37,769 -Lurid press accounts have suggested 301 00:15:37,804 --> 00:15:41,306 Chambers was the victim forced into sex. 302 00:15:41,341 --> 00:15:43,474 -There wasn't, I don't think, a person -- 303 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:46,644 certainly in New York, and maybe the country -- 304 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,147 that weren't reading those headlines. 305 00:15:49,182 --> 00:15:51,349 I mean, they were planted for a reason. 306 00:15:54,187 --> 00:15:56,354 They were planted by Jack Litman. 307 00:15:56,856 --> 00:16:00,291 -She was attempting to perform some sexual activity, 308 00:16:00,327 --> 00:16:03,127 which he asked her to desist from -- from doing. 309 00:16:03,163 --> 00:16:08,366 And when she didn't, uh, this tragedy ensued. 310 00:16:08,401 --> 00:16:10,134 -Did she really hurt him, 311 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:15,373 and he didn't realize his strength during rough sex? 312 00:16:15,408 --> 00:16:17,642 Was this an accident? 313 00:16:17,677 --> 00:16:23,348 -Jack Litman was extremely dangerous. 314 00:16:23,383 --> 00:16:26,851 He was very smooth, he was very bright. 315 00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:30,989 He had absolutely no mercy for Jennifer. 316 00:16:31,024 --> 00:16:35,827 It was all his client and his client was innocent. 317 00:16:35,862 --> 00:16:38,663 -Jack Litman had flipped the story 318 00:16:38,698 --> 00:16:42,333 saying that it was an accident and was taking it 319 00:16:42,369 --> 00:16:46,838 out of a murder charge down to an accidental death. 320 00:16:46,873 --> 00:16:49,407 It was so shocking. 321 00:16:49,442 --> 00:16:52,710 The world of the case was twisting 322 00:16:52,746 --> 00:16:55,013 and turning upside down. 323 00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:57,715 -One thing is clear -- The exact nature of what was 324 00:16:57,751 --> 00:17:00,852 going on, uh, between Robert and Jennifer Levin, 325 00:17:00,887 --> 00:17:04,355 uh, that night, uh, will have to be explored later at a trial. 326 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:07,492 It really is. 327 00:17:10,929 --> 00:17:13,965 ♪♪ 328 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,601 obert Chambers told police that the victim, 329 00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:19,637 18-year-old Jennifer Levin, was really to blame, 330 00:17:19,672 --> 00:17:23,007 that she attacked him during a predawn sexual encounter 331 00:17:23,043 --> 00:17:24,675 in New York Central Park. 332 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:30,848 -People tend to frown on tabloid newspapers, 333 00:17:30,884 --> 00:17:37,522 however, the New York Post circulation was 1,060,000. 334 00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:41,626 I was named in Newsweek as "Mr. Blood and Guts" 335 00:17:41,661 --> 00:17:46,964 and not at all ashamed of that title, not ashamed at all. 336 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,800 -By all accounts, Robert Chambers 337 00:17:48,835 --> 00:17:51,369 was a proper prep school boy, brought up in an environment 338 00:17:51,404 --> 00:17:54,172 of what some might call an ivory tower. 339 00:17:54,207 --> 00:17:56,140 -Robert Chambers, the handsome preppy -- 340 00:17:56,176 --> 00:17:57,708 -The preppy murder -- -The preppy murder -- 341 00:17:57,744 --> 00:17:59,043 -Preppy murder -- -Preppy murder -- 342 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:01,479 -Preppy murder -- 343 00:18:01,514 --> 00:18:04,782 -And all of a sudden, it's the preppy murder case. 344 00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:09,887 -It's a frenzy -- It's a feeding frenzy, you know, 345 00:18:09,923 --> 00:18:11,656 and the press just keeps 346 00:18:11,691 --> 00:18:15,226 throwing that log on the fire and people keep buying it. 347 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:16,861 -He didn't do it. 348 00:18:16,896 --> 00:18:19,530 -On the block where Chambers lives with his mother, 349 00:18:19,566 --> 00:18:22,733 90th Street between Fifth and Madison Avenues, 350 00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:25,503 his neighbors described the defendant as a gentleman. 351 00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:29,006 -He is the nicest -- He's friendly. 352 00:18:29,042 --> 00:18:31,375 He just wo-- I just can't see him doing anything like that. 353 00:18:31,411 --> 00:18:34,245 -He was always a very kind person. 354 00:18:36,382 --> 00:18:40,251 -The media kind of, almost weirdly, were on, like, 355 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:44,222 Team Robert Chambers, even though he'd killed her. 356 00:18:44,257 --> 00:18:46,190 -Robert Chambers -- because he was white, 357 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:48,726 lived on the Upper East Side, and because he was drop-dead 358 00:18:48,761 --> 00:18:52,697 handsome -- was getting special treatment. 359 00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:54,232 -This must have been an accident, 360 00:18:54,267 --> 00:18:58,402 because he was too good-looking to be violent. 361 00:18:58,438 --> 00:18:59,704 -Amongst the youngsters here at York Prep 362 00:18:59,739 --> 00:19:01,205 who knew Robert Chambers, 363 00:19:01,241 --> 00:19:02,874 there is a feeling of shock and disbelief. 364 00:19:02,909 --> 00:19:04,442 -Oh, I think every girl in this school 365 00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:06,210 had a crush on him, you know. 366 00:19:06,246 --> 00:19:08,045 People would drool when he walked down the block, you know, 367 00:19:08,081 --> 00:19:09,714 and then the guys just like -- 368 00:19:09,749 --> 00:19:11,782 I mean, he's like the perfect guy. 369 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:16,387 -I-I just couldn't believe it. 370 00:19:16,422 --> 00:19:20,224 Rob and my boyfriend, Spencer, were the best of friends, 371 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:25,129 and the three of us would always hang out. 372 00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:26,898 You walk into a room, and here's, 373 00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:30,902 like, this super-handsome, six-feet-tall, chiseled jawbone, 374 00:19:30,937 --> 00:19:32,937 piercing blue eyes and black hair 375 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:35,773 and he just made heads turn. 376 00:19:35,808 --> 00:19:37,742 He was, like, the pied piper, and all the girls would just be, 377 00:19:37,777 --> 00:19:40,077 like, following along. 378 00:19:40,113 --> 00:19:42,446 I didn't believe it was possible. 379 00:19:42,482 --> 00:19:45,750 -A friend called and said, "Oh, my God, 380 00:19:45,785 --> 00:19:50,454 they arrested Robert Chambers," and it was shocking. 381 00:19:50,490 --> 00:19:54,759 He was a grade behind me in high school. 382 00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:57,261 I had a good friendship with Robert, 383 00:19:57,297 --> 00:19:59,764 and he had a group of three or four friends, 384 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:01,265 and I had a group of three or friends, 385 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:05,269 and we would all hang out a lot on the weekends. 386 00:20:05,305 --> 00:20:08,940 He was a really kind of quiet guy. 387 00:20:08,975 --> 00:20:11,776 There was nothing aggressive about him. 388 00:20:11,811 --> 00:20:15,313 It certainly didn't feel like it fit his character. 389 00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:17,848 None of it made any sense to me. -I mean, to be honest, 390 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:21,452 I never ever saw Robert, uh, violent, 391 00:20:21,487 --> 00:20:23,955 or I never saw him lose his temper, even. 392 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:28,326 You wanted to think it was a horrible mistake or accident. 393 00:20:28,361 --> 00:20:33,197 It's really hard to fathom that happening. 394 00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:37,301 -I went to the day school, 395 00:20:37,337 --> 00:20:41,472 which was on 90th Street between Fifth and Madison. 396 00:20:41,507 --> 00:20:44,675 Robert lived across the street from the day school, 397 00:20:44,711 --> 00:20:47,645 so we would go to his house, 398 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,981 and so that's when I started to get to know Robert, 399 00:20:50,016 --> 00:20:54,318 and we were friends -- which is slightly weird, 400 00:20:54,354 --> 00:20:57,989 because my best friend was Jennifer Levin, 401 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:00,658 so I knew both of them. 402 00:21:00,693 --> 00:21:04,695 I remember her saying to me, "I want to meet Robert." 403 00:21:04,731 --> 00:21:08,032 I had known him for six or seven years at that point. 404 00:21:08,067 --> 00:21:10,001 Why she wanted to meet him? 405 00:21:10,036 --> 00:21:15,339 She must have seen him at Dorrian's or around. 406 00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:17,842 And I was like, "Sure. I can do that." 407 00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:20,845 [Vocalizing softly] 408 00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:28,686 So, this is a diary from 1986. 409 00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:35,359 It says here, "February 14th, Carla's champagne party." 410 00:21:35,395 --> 00:21:37,228 There you go -- "Call Robert C." 411 00:21:37,263 --> 00:21:39,196 Here's his phone number. 412 00:21:39,232 --> 00:21:41,098 And that was to make the date 413 00:21:41,134 --> 00:21:44,201 so that he would come to Carla's champagne birthday party 414 00:21:44,237 --> 00:21:47,738 so he could meet Jen. [Lively conversations] 415 00:21:47,774 --> 00:21:50,041 It was Valentine's Day. 416 00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:55,046 I remember introducing them right away. 417 00:21:55,081 --> 00:21:59,216 And I remember Jennifer talking to him. 418 00:21:59,252 --> 00:22:02,119 He's a very stoic, non-communicative guy. 419 00:22:02,155 --> 00:22:05,222 But you could see that she was trying to engage him. 420 00:22:05,258 --> 00:22:07,792 She was being flirtatious. 421 00:22:07,827 --> 00:22:09,560 I remember them having a good time 422 00:22:09,595 --> 00:22:11,629 but all of us having a good time together. 423 00:22:15,802 --> 00:22:19,904 I remember speaking to Jen in June and she said, 424 00:22:19,939 --> 00:22:22,440 "I've seen Robert four or five times, 425 00:22:22,475 --> 00:22:24,075 and we've had a really nice time together, 426 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:25,743 and I really like him." 427 00:22:25,778 --> 00:22:29,280 And I was like, "That's great. I'm so psyched for you." 428 00:22:29,315 --> 00:22:32,450 What I took by that was it meant that they were sexually active, 429 00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:34,418 and that she liked him. [Static] 430 00:22:37,623 --> 00:22:41,092 -Um, I... 431 00:22:41,127 --> 00:22:42,993 We didn't really have -- 432 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:45,730 She felt it was more special than I did. 433 00:22:47,467 --> 00:22:49,100 I had sex with her three times, 434 00:22:49,135 --> 00:22:50,935 twice at two different friends' house 435 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:52,503 and once on a roof. 436 00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:56,941 -That summer I went away, 437 00:22:56,976 --> 00:23:00,311 so I was kind of out of the picture for two months, 438 00:23:00,346 --> 00:23:02,513 which is a big deal at that age. 439 00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:07,184 And when I got back, I spoke to Jen on the phone immediately, 440 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:08,986 and I was like, "Oh, I miss you so much. 441 00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:10,688 I can't believe it. I haven't spoken to you in so long." 442 00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:12,323 She's like, "Yeah. Robert and I, 443 00:23:12,358 --> 00:23:14,024 we've been having a really nice time together. 444 00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:16,527 We've been dating and seeing each other all summer." 445 00:23:16,562 --> 00:23:17,628 That was it. 446 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,806 -No, not at all. 447 00:23:28,841 --> 00:23:31,142 I w-- I was always nice to her. 448 00:23:31,177 --> 00:23:32,877 I was just always nice to her, 'cause we got along. 449 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:33,978 She's very easy to talk to. 450 00:23:34,013 --> 00:23:35,646 She's a really nice girl. 451 00:23:38,384 --> 00:23:41,652 -Literally -- literally -- 452 00:23:41,687 --> 00:23:45,156 10 days after I spoke to Jen on the phone, 453 00:23:45,191 --> 00:23:47,992 my mother calls me, 454 00:23:48,027 --> 00:23:54,331 and she says, "Jess, Jennifer has been killed. 455 00:23:54,367 --> 00:23:57,168 Jennifer Levin is dead." 456 00:23:57,203 --> 00:24:01,172 And I literally lose it. 457 00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:04,508 Like, I just don't even know what that means. 458 00:24:04,544 --> 00:24:07,211 This person who you had just spoken on the phone with, 459 00:24:07,246 --> 00:24:11,382 who was your best friend was killed? 460 00:24:11,417 --> 00:24:12,883 He killed her. 461 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:15,386 He (no audio) killed her. 462 00:24:15,421 --> 00:24:17,188 Why? 463 00:24:17,223 --> 00:24:19,924 Robert said Jennifer was this sort of aggressor 464 00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:21,859 and this attacker. 465 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:24,028 It's not accurate. 466 00:24:24,063 --> 00:24:27,031 The narrative that is out there about her life 467 00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:29,867 and who she was is not accurate. 468 00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:31,569 And that's why I'm here talking to you, 469 00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:33,904 and that's why it means so much to me. 470 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:37,041 People need to find out the truth about Jennifer, 471 00:24:37,076 --> 00:24:39,877 who this person Jennifer Levin was. 472 00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:41,545 Why did he kill her? 473 00:24:41,581 --> 00:24:43,581 What happened between them? 474 00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:54,091 ♪♪ 475 00:24:54,126 --> 00:25:01,365 ♪♪ 476 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,767 -There were 1,000 people there, 477 00:25:03,803 --> 00:25:09,540 and it was so overwhelming. 478 00:25:09,575 --> 00:25:14,044 -I didn't believe she was dead until I saw her in the casket. 479 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,213 In fact, I wanted an open casket, 480 00:25:16,249 --> 00:25:18,215 which we don't normally have in the Jewish religion, 481 00:25:18,251 --> 00:25:22,953 so that I could be sure that that was my sister. 482 00:25:22,989 --> 00:25:25,756 -I leaned in to kiss her forehead, 483 00:25:25,791 --> 00:25:29,393 but it didn't look like Jen. 484 00:25:29,428 --> 00:25:32,396 [Voice breaking] That was it. 485 00:25:32,431 --> 00:25:34,031 She wasn't there. 486 00:25:36,335 --> 00:25:38,602 -When something like this happens to somebody you know, 487 00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:40,571 I mean, especially somebody like her -- 488 00:25:40,606 --> 00:25:42,973 -This child was a blessing to life. 489 00:25:43,009 --> 00:25:45,409 She will be life forever. Thank you. 490 00:25:45,444 --> 00:25:47,745 -If you knew Jennifer and you knew Robert, 491 00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:49,413 you basically wouldn't think this would happen, 492 00:25:49,448 --> 00:25:53,083 but it did, and it's a shame. 493 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,585 It really is. 494 00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:55,786 -He hurt her and he killed her, 495 00:25:55,821 --> 00:25:57,421 and it was a terrible way to die, 496 00:25:57,456 --> 00:25:59,456 and she died very violently, 497 00:25:59,492 --> 00:26:01,825 and that's just an awful way to die. 498 00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:05,796 -They're hounding everybody. -Trying to make a case -- 499 00:26:05,831 --> 00:26:07,464 -It's -- They're just -- They're building a case 500 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,433 to make him look like he's innocent, and he's not. 501 00:26:09,468 --> 00:26:11,001 -He's not. -He's not. He killed her. 502 00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:12,970 There's no accident. -How do you know that? 503 00:26:13,005 --> 00:26:14,104 -How do I know that? -He said he did. 504 00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:15,673 -He said he did. It's no accident. 505 00:26:15,708 --> 00:26:17,808 Just stop. What are you doing? 506 00:26:17,843 --> 00:26:19,276 -Just stop. Come on. 507 00:26:19,312 --> 00:26:20,344 [Static] 508 00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:25,950 -In August of 1986, 509 00:26:25,985 --> 00:26:28,953 I was in my office, 510 00:26:28,988 --> 00:26:31,155 and my secretary -- 511 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:33,958 one of the first things he handed me 512 00:26:33,993 --> 00:26:37,161 was a piece of paper in his writing. 513 00:26:37,196 --> 00:26:41,966 It said Jack Litman stopped by, and that Jack's comment was 514 00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:43,801 "You ought to take this case. 515 00:26:43,836 --> 00:26:46,704 We could have such a good time together." 516 00:26:46,739 --> 00:26:49,139 It was one of the most shocking 517 00:26:49,175 --> 00:26:53,344 and just inappropriate expressions I'd ever seen. 518 00:26:53,379 --> 00:26:54,845 Shortly after that, 519 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,714 Bob Morgenthau, the District Attorney, 520 00:26:56,749 --> 00:26:59,850 came to me and expressed his concern 521 00:26:59,885 --> 00:27:02,152 about the confession on tape. 522 00:27:02,188 --> 00:27:03,988 [Static] 523 00:27:08,894 --> 00:27:12,229 Because Steve Saracco was the one 524 00:27:12,264 --> 00:27:13,697 that took the Chambers statement, 525 00:27:13,733 --> 00:27:16,667 who was asking the questions on video, 526 00:27:16,702 --> 00:27:19,003 Steve was gonna have to be a witness in the case, 527 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:23,173 so that made Morgenthau think that perhaps this was the time 528 00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:26,844 to take him off the case as the prosecutor. 529 00:27:26,879 --> 00:27:30,514 Mr. Morgenthau said it would make a statement 530 00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:35,352 to have a woman prosecutor as my lead to the community. 531 00:27:35,388 --> 00:27:38,756 "I really think you should prosecute this case." 532 00:27:42,595 --> 00:27:46,864 -I got notified that the case was no longer going to be mine, 533 00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:50,901 and to say that I was upset -- 534 00:27:50,936 --> 00:27:53,404 You could say that. [Chuckles] 535 00:27:53,439 --> 00:27:56,774 To say that I was real upset -- 536 00:27:56,809 --> 00:27:58,575 You could say that, too. 537 00:27:58,611 --> 00:28:01,578 To say that I'm still upset 33 years later -- 538 00:28:01,614 --> 00:28:02,713 I'm half-Italian. 539 00:28:02,748 --> 00:28:05,049 Of course I'm still upset. 540 00:28:07,753 --> 00:28:08,986 I mean, the first thing, 541 00:28:09,021 --> 00:28:13,424 she had never tried a homicide before. 542 00:28:13,459 --> 00:28:18,228 -When I got to the D.A.'s office out of law school in 1972, 543 00:28:18,264 --> 00:28:19,730 the times were very different. 544 00:28:19,765 --> 00:28:22,933 There were 180 lawyers on the staff. 545 00:28:22,968 --> 00:28:25,736 Seven of those lawyers were women. 546 00:28:25,771 --> 00:28:30,107 No woman had ever tried a murder case in that office. 547 00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:35,279 There was the idea that this work was too tawdry for a woman. 548 00:28:35,314 --> 00:28:37,247 Leslie Snyder was the first woman 549 00:28:37,283 --> 00:28:41,752 allowed to handle homicides, and I was the second. 550 00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:47,925 I remember as vividly as if it were yesterday 551 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,927 meeting with the Levins. 552 00:28:49,962 --> 00:28:53,263 I did not instill confidence in the Levins 553 00:28:53,299 --> 00:28:54,765 because I was so nervous. 554 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,101 I was running my fingers through my hair. 555 00:28:57,136 --> 00:29:00,637 -She had this habit of doing this, 556 00:29:00,673 --> 00:29:03,273 which, you know, I love to this day, 557 00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:09,012 because it showed me that she's emotionally involved in this. 558 00:29:09,048 --> 00:29:12,149 She was upset over the case, 559 00:29:12,184 --> 00:29:14,284 over the way it was being portrayed, 560 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,187 over the attack of the defense attorney. 561 00:29:17,223 --> 00:29:20,657 We felt lucky that we had Linda. 562 00:29:20,693 --> 00:29:23,026 -I said to the Levins I'm going to fight 563 00:29:23,062 --> 00:29:27,131 this fight for them and for Jennifer. 564 00:29:27,166 --> 00:29:31,301 I want everyone to know that this is a young woman 565 00:29:31,337 --> 00:29:35,139 whose whole life was on the horizon ahead 566 00:29:35,174 --> 00:29:39,309 and that she had everything to live for. 567 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:41,678 -Detectives learned she had been with Chambers 568 00:29:41,714 --> 00:29:45,349 in Dorrian's Restaurant, a so-called "preppy hangout" 569 00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:48,552 at Second Avenue at 84th Street in Manhattan. 570 00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:50,854 -This is a tale of sex and violence 571 00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:52,189 among privileged teenagers 572 00:29:52,224 --> 00:29:53,991 on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. 573 00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:55,159 Magee Hickey, "News 4." 574 00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:56,827 Back to you, Sue. 575 00:29:56,862 --> 00:29:59,496 I was the only female reporter in the news room 576 00:29:59,532 --> 00:30:04,334 who was "a preppy" from the Upper East Side at that point -- 577 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:08,372 60th to 96th Street, Fifth Avenue to the East River. 578 00:30:08,407 --> 00:30:11,575 It was a very rarified, preppy little world. 579 00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:13,544 We were all very well off. 580 00:30:13,579 --> 00:30:16,013 "What does your father do?" "Oh, I don't know. 581 00:30:16,048 --> 00:30:18,682 Uh, you know, five generations back someone 582 00:30:18,717 --> 00:30:20,217 made some money," you know? 583 00:30:20,252 --> 00:30:22,186 If you have to ask "What does your father do?" 584 00:30:22,221 --> 00:30:23,554 then you're not a preppy, you know what I mean? 585 00:30:23,589 --> 00:30:26,023 It's just a whole other world. 586 00:30:26,058 --> 00:30:28,358 -I was struck when I started meeting 587 00:30:28,394 --> 00:30:30,194 some of these young people 588 00:30:30,229 --> 00:30:32,863 that their parents had no idea where they were, 589 00:30:32,898 --> 00:30:34,898 and some of the girls were as young as 16 -- 590 00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:36,099 16, 17. 591 00:30:36,135 --> 00:30:38,869 Jennifer Levin was 18. 592 00:30:38,904 --> 00:30:40,737 Their parents went to Europe, 593 00:30:40,773 --> 00:30:42,539 their parents were out in the Hamptons, 594 00:30:42,575 --> 00:30:44,541 their parents didn't know if they were sleeping over 595 00:30:44,577 --> 00:30:47,711 at a friend's house or whatever. 596 00:30:47,746 --> 00:30:51,048 It was just a world that was totally foreign to me. 597 00:30:51,083 --> 00:30:53,383 -What did we learn about these young kids? 598 00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:57,387 Did they live a promiscuous lifestyle? 599 00:30:57,423 --> 00:30:59,423 It raised a lot of questions like, 600 00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:05,229 "What exactly happened that night at Dorrian's Red Hand bar? 601 00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:09,399 -I got to Dorrian's late. I got there at about 11:30. 602 00:31:09,435 --> 00:31:12,436 -During the confession, Robert told us 603 00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:13,937 he was in Dorrian's 604 00:31:13,973 --> 00:31:17,808 and then Jennifer came in and started bugging him. 605 00:31:17,843 --> 00:31:20,611 We have to find out more about what happened. 606 00:31:20,646 --> 00:31:24,948 What happened at Dorrian's the night of Jennifer's death? 607 00:31:28,286 --> 00:31:31,255 ♪♪ 608 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:35,225 -Mike Sheehan and I, we talked to everyone 609 00:31:35,261 --> 00:31:36,927 who would talk to us, 610 00:31:36,962 --> 00:31:41,899 trying to put together the story of the events of the night 611 00:31:41,934 --> 00:31:44,434 at Dorrian's -- very difficult. 612 00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:48,138 -It -- It took us quite some time to figure out, 613 00:31:48,173 --> 00:31:51,708 but they eventually painted the picture of what happened. 614 00:31:55,347 --> 00:31:58,749 -On August 26, 1986, 615 00:31:58,784 --> 00:32:02,319 it was a very happy night. 616 00:32:02,354 --> 00:32:05,756 There was a big crowd at Dorrian's. 617 00:32:05,791 --> 00:32:08,325 These kids were about to go off to college, 618 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,327 and it was one of the last nights 619 00:32:10,362 --> 00:32:12,963 they were going to be together. 620 00:32:12,998 --> 00:32:17,968 Jennifer was going to be going off to college a week later. 621 00:32:18,003 --> 00:32:21,104 She was so excited. 622 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:23,173 Jennifer was gonna be spending the night 623 00:32:23,208 --> 00:32:26,276 at the home of her friend Alex LaGatta. 624 00:32:26,312 --> 00:32:28,345 Alex LaGatta had left Dorrian's 625 00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:32,015 with a guy she was interested in. 626 00:32:32,051 --> 00:32:35,252 So Jennifer was alone. 627 00:32:38,324 --> 00:32:40,791 According to Chambers' statement, 628 00:32:40,826 --> 00:32:43,126 he had gone to Dorrian's that night 629 00:32:43,162 --> 00:32:46,797 with an expectation of meeting a girl he'd been dating. 630 00:32:46,832 --> 00:32:51,635 -Last night I was supposed to meet a girl named Alex Kapp. 631 00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:52,903 -Robert and I were dating, 632 00:32:52,938 --> 00:32:54,838 and it was pretty jaw-dropping for me. 633 00:32:54,873 --> 00:32:56,473 You know, I was 16, 634 00:32:56,508 --> 00:32:58,976 and he's this extraordinarily handsome older guy. 635 00:32:59,011 --> 00:33:01,545 He was 19. That was a big deal. 636 00:33:03,248 --> 00:33:06,483 That night he said he'd meet me at 8:00, 637 00:33:06,518 --> 00:33:09,186 but he was late, really late -- 638 00:33:09,221 --> 00:33:12,322 8:00, 8:30, 9:00, 9:30, 10:00, 10:30, 639 00:33:12,358 --> 00:33:15,826 and I think about 10:30 or 11:00 he finally showed up. 640 00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:20,163 And he sort of looked at me and walked right past me, 641 00:33:20,199 --> 00:33:26,003 at which point I was now in just -- in a fury. 642 00:33:26,038 --> 00:33:29,706 -I got to Dorrian's late. I got there at about 11:30. 643 00:33:29,742 --> 00:33:32,175 I was hanging out with my friends. 644 00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:35,178 And then Jennifer came over and said that she wanted to talk 645 00:33:35,214 --> 00:33:38,682 to me about something important, so I said, "Okay." 646 00:33:38,717 --> 00:33:42,252 -Jennifer had talked to her friends many times 647 00:33:42,287 --> 00:33:46,356 about previously having had a sexual encounter 648 00:33:46,392 --> 00:33:48,358 with him that was consensual. 649 00:33:48,394 --> 00:33:51,361 She had said to two of her best friends that it was, 650 00:33:51,397 --> 00:33:53,930 "The best sex I'd ever had." 651 00:33:53,966 --> 00:33:56,066 -But then Alex Kapp, the girl I was supposed to meet, 652 00:33:56,101 --> 00:33:58,702 that I haven't talk to all night came over. 653 00:33:58,737 --> 00:34:01,038 -I don't know what possessed me. 654 00:34:01,073 --> 00:34:03,373 I had some condoms. 655 00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:06,710 I walked up to him, and I said, "You know what" -- 656 00:34:06,745 --> 00:34:08,745 super dramatic -- "use these with someone else, 657 00:34:08,781 --> 00:34:11,048 'cause you're not gonna get the chance to use 'em with me!" 658 00:34:11,083 --> 00:34:13,250 And I threw it in his face. 659 00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:15,385 The condoms went everywhere, landed in his lap, 660 00:34:15,421 --> 00:34:17,054 all over the floor. 661 00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:19,389 [Laughter] 662 00:34:19,425 --> 00:34:21,725 Everybody was laughing at him, 663 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,094 which he did not like. 664 00:34:24,129 --> 00:34:26,196 -Alex started yelling at me in front of everybody. 665 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,900 That I stood her up, that I didn't meet her on time, 666 00:34:29,935 --> 00:34:32,302 that I didn't come over and talk to her. 667 00:34:32,337 --> 00:34:35,072 And while this was going on, Jennifer was laughing at me. 668 00:34:36,508 --> 00:34:38,275 Yeah, because she asked me to talk to her, 669 00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:41,078 and then I'm getting in trouble, and she's laughing at me, 670 00:34:41,113 --> 00:34:43,246 and also the fact that the girl I'm supposed to meet, 671 00:34:43,282 --> 00:34:45,582 Alex, the girl I like, is yelling at me 672 00:34:45,617 --> 00:34:49,252 in front of everybody, so it was embarrassing. 673 00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:53,090 -He was mad. He was really mad. 674 00:34:53,125 --> 00:34:55,926 I-I embarrassed him. 675 00:34:55,961 --> 00:35:00,130 So he did not like that at all. 676 00:35:00,165 --> 00:35:02,432 I stayed for a bit after, 677 00:35:02,468 --> 00:35:04,334 but I don't think we spoke again. 678 00:35:04,369 --> 00:35:07,471 -So, Alex left, and then I walked to the bar 679 00:35:07,506 --> 00:35:09,172 'cause I was all pissed off now. 680 00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:13,443 -Well, "A", myself, 'cause I ended up standing Alex up 681 00:35:13,479 --> 00:35:16,279 and, "B," Jennifer 'cause she's just laughing at me. 682 00:35:16,315 --> 00:35:18,115 -According to Chambers' statement, 683 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:20,784 Robert Chambers held Jennifer responsible. 684 00:35:20,819 --> 00:35:23,954 He was angry that she had come on to him in the bar, 685 00:35:23,989 --> 00:35:26,356 that she had flirted with him. 686 00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:31,995 -Jack Litman and I interviewed friends of Jennifer Levin, 687 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:35,665 and we had about a dozen signed statements 688 00:35:35,701 --> 00:35:38,168 from Jennifer Levin's friends about things 689 00:35:38,203 --> 00:35:39,669 that they saw on that evening 690 00:35:39,705 --> 00:35:42,706 or things that they knew about the relationship. 691 00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:47,644 And they were consistent with Robert's videotaped statement, 692 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:53,049 that she left with him, they went to Central Park, 693 00:35:53,085 --> 00:35:57,053 and that she wanted to be intimate with him. 694 00:35:57,089 --> 00:36:00,991 That helped to support, um, our -- our defense, 695 00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:02,492 that during rough sex 696 00:36:02,528 --> 00:36:07,998 he wound up accidentally killing Jennifer Levin. 697 00:36:08,033 --> 00:36:12,502 -According to Jack Litman, Jennifer was a "bad girl." 698 00:36:12,538 --> 00:36:15,405 What other kind of girl would go into Central Park 699 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,176 wanting a sexual encounter with a guy? 700 00:36:19,211 --> 00:36:24,581 Jennifer Levin was being blamed for causing her own death. 701 00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:27,584 -You can characterize it as "blame the victim" defense, 702 00:36:27,619 --> 00:36:30,387 you can characterize it however you want. 703 00:36:30,422 --> 00:36:34,224 But we were going on what happened that evening. 704 00:36:34,259 --> 00:36:37,194 Jennifer Levin's actions were, in fact, 705 00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:40,230 corroborated by her friends. 706 00:36:40,265 --> 00:36:43,033 Jack Litman had a job to do. 707 00:36:43,068 --> 00:36:46,570 He said, "What I'm doing is defending my client." 708 00:36:46,605 --> 00:36:49,372 People didn't like it. 709 00:36:49,408 --> 00:36:51,541 Our response to that would be, 710 00:36:51,577 --> 00:36:55,378 "Well, we didn't make this up." 711 00:36:55,414 --> 00:36:57,914 -Jennifer Levin seemed to be following Robert Chambers 712 00:36:57,950 --> 00:37:00,050 around that night. 713 00:37:00,085 --> 00:37:04,287 It appears that he attempted to rebuff her 714 00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:07,290 and perhaps ask her to stop some sexual activity 715 00:37:07,326 --> 00:37:09,025 she was performing. 716 00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:16,399 -Jack Litman -- I wound up hating him 717 00:37:16,435 --> 00:37:18,235 as much as I hated Robert Chambers. 718 00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:19,903 I did. 719 00:37:19,938 --> 00:37:23,406 Because I saw the way he operated, 720 00:37:23,442 --> 00:37:26,243 and he was brutal. 721 00:37:26,278 --> 00:37:30,413 -Litman was really a very dangerous adversary. 722 00:37:30,449 --> 00:37:34,784 I was afraid that Robert would get away with this crime. 723 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:40,423 The Levins really put all their trust in me, 724 00:37:40,459 --> 00:37:43,460 and I really didn't want to fail them. 725 00:37:44,462 --> 00:37:46,997 -Now, how could something like this have happened 726 00:37:47,032 --> 00:37:50,100 at 4:30 in the morning and in the park -- 727 00:37:50,135 --> 00:37:52,769 Were you surprised about all that? 728 00:37:52,804 --> 00:37:54,437 -I know that Jennifer went out at night 729 00:37:54,473 --> 00:37:59,009 and she stayed out late, but it was her last week here, 730 00:37:59,044 --> 00:38:00,777 she wanted to do all the partying here, 731 00:38:00,812 --> 00:38:02,979 say goodbye to her friends, 732 00:38:03,015 --> 00:38:05,949 and that's really it. 733 00:38:05,984 --> 00:38:07,517 I mean, I'm -- 734 00:38:07,552 --> 00:38:10,687 I don't know think she went voluntary into the Park. 735 00:38:10,722 --> 00:38:13,857 -You know, when we first heard that Jennifer made it known 736 00:38:13,892 --> 00:38:16,860 that she wanted to have sex with Robert, 737 00:38:16,895 --> 00:38:18,662 I didn't know what to think. 738 00:38:18,697 --> 00:38:21,464 I mean, you know, back then it was still a little squeamish, 739 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,466 and you didn't hear about women 740 00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:27,671 talking about wanting to have sex with someone. 741 00:38:27,706 --> 00:38:30,340 With Jennifer, all we were painted 742 00:38:30,375 --> 00:38:33,209 was this picture of a promiscuous girl. 743 00:38:33,245 --> 00:38:36,479 Could it have been that she "asked for it"? 744 00:38:36,515 --> 00:38:38,648 -The expression "blame the victim" 745 00:38:38,684 --> 00:38:41,384 just exploded in this case. 746 00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,653 -You just have to use your common sense. 747 00:38:43,689 --> 00:38:46,389 Obviously she's too young to use her own. 748 00:38:46,425 --> 00:38:50,160 -The media made it very black and white. 749 00:38:50,195 --> 00:38:52,829 You knew who the bad guy was, 750 00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:57,400 and you knew who the bad girl was. 751 00:38:57,436 --> 00:38:59,502 -That whole, like, "she asked for it" thing, 752 00:38:59,538 --> 00:39:01,838 when she started to get slut shamed 753 00:39:01,873 --> 00:39:04,841 for wearing a short skirt. 754 00:39:04,876 --> 00:39:08,345 Even my little 16-year-old self was like, "This is not right." 755 00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:11,047 It was terrible. 756 00:39:11,083 --> 00:39:13,183 -The way that it was made out to be was as if, you know, 757 00:39:13,218 --> 00:39:15,018 she just met this guy at a bar, 758 00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:18,355 and, you know, she went to Central Park with him at night. 759 00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:21,024 No, she would never have done anything like that. 760 00:39:21,059 --> 00:39:24,227 She knew him, and she trusted him. 761 00:39:24,262 --> 00:39:26,896 -When I saw the headlines of what happened to Jennifer 762 00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:30,700 and the sort of tabloid kind of horror of it, 763 00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:32,702 it sounds like she's a slut. 764 00:39:32,738 --> 00:39:38,074 Yeah, so I'm -- I'm sure she was sleeping with multiple people. 765 00:39:38,110 --> 00:39:39,275 But, you know what? 766 00:39:39,311 --> 00:39:42,412 She's a teenager playing the field. 767 00:39:42,447 --> 00:39:44,881 [Chuckles] She's 18 years old. 768 00:39:44,916 --> 00:39:46,883 Believe me, I'm sure Robert Chambers was sleeping 769 00:39:46,918 --> 00:39:48,451 with anybody he could get. 770 00:39:48,487 --> 00:39:52,222 I'm sure he had sex with multiple woman at that time. 771 00:39:52,257 --> 00:39:53,923 Well, he's a guy. Right? 772 00:39:53,959 --> 00:39:56,626 When you say that about a woman, it suddenly implies 773 00:39:56,661 --> 00:39:59,396 that there's something wrong with her. 774 00:39:59,431 --> 00:40:01,064 Like, this is why we're here, right? 775 00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:04,467 I mean, this is honestly what we need to deal with here. 776 00:40:06,605 --> 00:40:11,574 ♪♪ 777 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:15,245 -There were definitely moments when the Levins and I 778 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,450 thought we were alone against Jack Litman and the world. 779 00:40:20,485 --> 00:40:25,088 The problem that we had was that all anyone could talk about 780 00:40:25,123 --> 00:40:28,458 was how good looking Robert Chambers was. 781 00:40:28,493 --> 00:40:32,328 It so played into his version of the events 782 00:40:32,364 --> 00:40:33,763 that this must have been an accident, 783 00:40:33,799 --> 00:40:36,099 because nobody who's that good looking 784 00:40:36,134 --> 00:40:39,302 would have to hurt a girl who was with him. 785 00:40:39,337 --> 00:40:43,773 We needed to get past the veneer of his face. 786 00:40:43,809 --> 00:40:49,279 We needed to change public opinion about Robert Chambers. 787 00:40:49,314 --> 00:40:52,782 -Linda said to me, "We have to find out more about Robert." 788 00:40:52,818 --> 00:40:54,617 I said, "I'm here. I'm here for you. 789 00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:59,856 Let's -- Let's buckle up our seats and let's get going." 790 00:40:59,891 --> 00:41:02,792 The greatest advantage we had was Robert Chambers' 791 00:41:02,828 --> 00:41:05,695 overstuffed telephone book, if you will, 792 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:09,632 that Chambers had with him when he was arrested. 793 00:41:09,668 --> 00:41:13,470 The very first thing I did when I got my hands on that Filofax 794 00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:17,307 is I copied the entire thing. 795 00:41:17,342 --> 00:41:18,975 We had all of these different people, 796 00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:22,645 and he kept their names and addresses and phone numbers, 797 00:41:22,681 --> 00:41:26,816 and they were immensely helpful in building a profile 798 00:41:26,852 --> 00:41:29,886 of who this kid is. 799 00:41:29,921 --> 00:41:32,822 -And I made a rule with Sheehan 800 00:41:32,858 --> 00:41:35,992 that we would not leave my office for the night 801 00:41:36,027 --> 00:41:38,828 unless we had made three phone calls 802 00:41:38,864 --> 00:41:42,832 to reach three people to see what they knew, 803 00:41:42,868 --> 00:41:46,669 what they could tell us about him. 804 00:41:46,705 --> 00:41:50,406 What I found out shocked me. 805 00:41:50,442 --> 00:41:52,509 I heard over and over again from people 806 00:41:52,544 --> 00:41:54,010 I was trying to interview 807 00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:57,013 "I have information about his background 808 00:41:57,048 --> 00:41:59,349 that you should know." 809 00:41:59,384 --> 00:42:01,184 It stopped me in my tracks. 810 00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:03,720 -I was just totally, totally shocked this guy 811 00:42:03,755 --> 00:42:06,856 was, you know, no altar boy. 812 00:42:06,892 --> 00:42:09,526 What kind of a monster are you? 813 00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:12,529 -We had to take off that mask. 814 00:42:12,564 --> 00:42:15,231 If people knew the truth, we could destroy 815 00:42:15,267 --> 00:42:20,169 the whole picture 71288

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