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This programme contains strong language,

This programme contains strong language,

graphic references to sexual assault and rape from the start

graphic references to sexual assault and rape from the start

I would call myself something of a Wikipedia nerd.

I have fun editing Wikipedia articles.

I have fun editing Wikipedia articles.

It's sort of a hobby of mine.

"Nicholas Alahverdian died on February 29th, 2020,

"Nicholas Alahverdian died on February 29th, 2020,

"Nicholas Alahverdian died on February 29th, 2020,

"of the illness which had spread to his kidneys and lungs.

"of the illness which had spread to his kidneys and lungs.

"Was an author, political scientist,

"Was an author, political scientist,

"whistle-blower, and child welfare advocate.

"whistle-blower, and child welfare advocate.

"At the age of 15,

"Alahverdian was sent to facilities in Nebraska,

"Alahverdian was sent to facilities in Nebraska,

and then, to Florida,

"where he was tortured and raped."

"where he was tortured and raped."

"The Florida and Nebraska homes were subsequently shut down

"The Florida and Nebraska homes were subsequently shut down

"after Alahverdian, as an adult and a lobbyist,

"after Alahverdian, as an adult and a lobbyist,

"exposed the abuse and called for reform once again."

"exposed the abuse and called for reform once again."

"exposed the abuse and called for reform once again."

Anyone who read that would have thought that

Anyone who read that would have thought that

he was downright heroic.

he was downright heroic.

It made no mention at all of his criminal convictions.

It made no mention at all of his criminal convictions.

It made no mention at all of his criminal convictions.

And it contained a photograph of someone who obviously

And it contained a photograph of someone who obviously

was not Nicholas.

After he had, quote-unquote, "died",

After he had, quote-unquote, "died",

I definitely smelled a rat.

I definitely smelled a rat.

And so, in that spirit, I took it upon myself

And so, in that spirit, I took it upon myself

And so, in that spirit, I took it upon myself

to edit the Wikipedia article about Nicholas.

to edit the Wikipedia article about Nicholas.

I knew better.

I knew about his criminal past.

I knew about his criminal past.

I was in a unique position to report that fact to the Wikipedia public.

I was in a unique position to report that fact to the Wikipedia public.

I was in a unique position to report that fact to the Wikipedia public.

I was pleased with my work. I proofread it,

I was pleased with my work. I proofread it,

made sure it was shipshape.

made sure it was shipshape.

And there it was, for the world to see.

And there it was, for the world to see.

Then I went and had a cup of coffee,

Then I went and had a cup of coffee,

and did the rest of my day's business.

and did the rest of my day's business.

And then, I came back a few hours later,

And then, I came back a few hours later,

just to proofread it yet again.

just to proofread it yet again.

What I found was astonishing.

Someone with more Wikipedia know-how than I

Someone with more Wikipedia know-how than I

had not only deleted everything that I had put there,

had not only deleted everything that I had put there,

but had made it impossible for any other Wikipedia editors even to see

but had made it impossible for any other Wikipedia editors even to see

but had made it impossible for any other Wikipedia editors even to see

what the deleted material was.

what the deleted material was.

From that instant,

I was convinced that Nicholas Alahverdian was still alive,

I was convinced that Nicholas Alahverdian was still alive,

I was convinced that Nicholas Alahverdian was still alive,

and Nicholas was controlling his own Wikipedia article

and Nicholas was controlling his own Wikipedia article

from beyond the grave.

from beyond the grave.

It just screams "psychopath".

It just screams "psychopath".

You're a fucking beast.

Guys, just give him a little bit of space.

There's the beast.

How can you possibly claim not to be Nicholas Rossi?

How can you possibly claim not to be Nicholas Rossi?

Hey, hey! Peace!

Hey, hey! Peace!

Has it been proved that you are, in fact, Nicholas Rossi?

Has it been proved that you are, in fact, Nicholas Rossi?

Is the game up for you?

The game is just started. The game is afoot.

The game is just started. The game is afoot.

You've got this guy turning up outside of court.

You've got this guy turning up outside of court.

You've got him quoting Sherlock Holmes

You've got him quoting Sherlock Holmes

while dressed like a Batman villain. It's just extraordinary.

while dressed like a Batman villain. It's just extraordinary.

Miranda is the mirror opposite of Arthur.

Miranda is the mirror opposite of Arthur.

She doesn't like the attention, she doesn't like the limelight.

She doesn't like the attention, she doesn't like the limelight.

But, much to her horror, she's become infamous.

But, much to her horror, she's become infamous.

Every journalist wanted to get to Miranda.

Every journalist wanted to get to Miranda.

LOCK BUZZES

LOCK BUZZES

Hey, Miranda.Hello, Marc. It's been a terrible day.

Hey, Miranda.Hello, Marc. It's been a terrible day.

I really appreciate you coming over.

I really appreciate you coming over.

It must have been very strange to see your husband

It must have been very strange to see your husband

turning up for court in his dressing gown and his pyjamas.

turning up for court in his dressing gown and his pyjamas.

It is the strangest thing I think I've seen in court.

It is the strangest thing I think I've seen in court.

A burgundy bath robe and Prince of Wales slippers.Yeah.

A burgundy bath robe and Prince of Wales slippers.Yeah.

Felt like some sort of weird, feverish anxiety dream.

Felt like some sort of weird, feverish anxiety dream.

Felt like some sort of weird, feverish anxiety dream.

It seemed really unusual.Mm.

How did you feel that he did in court,

How did you feel that he did in court,

when he was being questioned and he finally got to speak?

when he was being questioned and he finally got to speak?

I was so proud of Arthur.

I was so proud of Arthur.

Erm, he sat there, and he was so composed.

Erm, he sat there, and he was so composed.

DOG WHINES

Erm, he was respectful, and he was really calm.

Erm, he was respectful, and he was really calm.

And he put his viewpoint across,

And he put his viewpoint across,

and he did it - he did it so well with the oxygen mask on.

and he did it - he did it so well with the oxygen mask on.

and he did it - he did it so well with the oxygen mask on.

Erm, he kept his composure all the way through. Right.

Erm, he kept his composure all the way through. Right.

I think he did an amazing job in the circumstances.

I think he did an amazing job in the circumstances.

Goodbye, and thank you.

In court today people are nudging, they're whispering,

In court today people are nudging, they're whispering,

they're pointing at you.

They go "That's her. That's her, that's the wife,

They go "That's her. That's her, that's the wife,

"that's the wife." People are fascinated by you, Miranda.

"that's the wife." People are fascinated by you, Miranda.

Oh, really? Cos I didn't see that.

That's really interesting... Yeah. ..where I just don't notice it.

That's really interesting... Yeah. ..where I just don't notice it.

Well, people were being indiscreet.

Th-That's a...

Th-That's a...

That's kind of taken me by surprise, hearing that.

That's kind of taken me by surprise, hearing that.

There's schools of thought, that people say,

"Oh, I feel so sorry for her."

People are genuinely sympathetic to you.

People are genuinely sympathetic to you.

Then there's people that go, "Ah, yeah, I bet she's in on it,

Then there's people that go, "Ah, yeah, I bet she's in on it,

"she knows exactly what he's up to.

"She's in on it the whole time."

Saying you're part of a wider plot.

Then there's other people that are saying that you've been duped,

Then there's other people that are saying that you've been duped,

that the wool's been pulled over your eyes.

that the wool's been pulled over your eyes.

There's so many theories being put out there.

There's so many theories being put out there.

How does that feel?

Erm...

Erm...

Miranda, can we ask, what did you think of that?

What did you think of what you heard?

I'll talk to you later.

If you don't know the story and you're looking in,

If you don't know the story and you're looking in,

I suppose, yeah, it's difficult to make an opinion on me,

I suppose, yeah, it's difficult to make an opinion on me,

I suppose, yeah, it's difficult to make an opinion on me,

because, you know, no-one knows me.

because, you know, no-one knows me.

Yeah.And they're not my family, they're not my friends,

Yeah.And they're not my family, they're not my friends,

so I suppose they're just basing it on the press stories,

so I suppose they're just basing it on the press stories,

and what's out there.

Miranda is the biggest mystery in this story.

Miranda is the biggest mystery in this story.

She really is an enigma.

She really is an enigma.

I feel heartsore that she's been drawn into this horrible situation.

I feel heartsore that she's been drawn into this horrible situation.

I feel heartsore that she's been drawn into this horrible situation.

Hello. This is a call from the Scottish Prison Service.

Hello. This is a call from the Scottish Prison Service.

My phone went, and it was Arthur.

My phone went, and it was Arthur.

DOG WHINES

SHE SNIFFLES

Erm...

His, erm...

SHE SOBS QUIETLY

I knew that he was frightened and scared.

I knew that he was frightened and scared.

I knew that he was frightened and scared.

And the first thing, he-he was talking, he was like,

And the first thing, he-he was talking, he was like,

"I-I'm not OK, I'm not OK,

"I'm-I'm in prison."

"I'm-I'm in prison."

He is literally in...

He is literally in...

I can't even say the word, a cell.

I can't even say the word, a cell.

I don't even want to say it.

I don't even want to say it.

He's in a room by himself...

He's in a room by himself...

..locked in,

..locked in,

in his wheelchair, with his oxygen on.

in his wheelchair, with his oxygen on.

And all he has is just his thoughts.

And all he has is just his thoughts.

And all he has is just his thoughts.

And then, he just said, "I'm frightened,

And then, he just said, "I'm frightened,

"please come and get me."

"please come and get me."

TEARFULLY:I felt the most helpless feeling that I've ever had

TEARFULLY:I felt the most helpless feeling that I've ever had

TEARFULLY:I felt the most helpless feeling that I've ever had

in my life, because... I wanted to take his pain away.

in my life, because... I wanted to take his pain away.

in my life, because... I wanted to take his pain away.

He said people are shouting that person's name.

He said people are shouting that person's name.

He said people are shouting that person's name.

"Rosie, Rosie, Rosie" -

they're shouting it outside this room.

they're shouting it outside this room.

SHE SIGHS HEAVILY

Did you ever imagine growing up you'd be in a position...

Did you ever imagine growing up you'd be in a position...

SHE SNIFFLES

..that your husband would be in prison?

No, it's-it's beyond my wildest nightmares.

No, it's-it's beyond my wildest nightmares.

No, it's-it's beyond my wildest nightmares.

If you do not wish to accept this call, please hang up.

If you do not wish to accept this call, please hang up.

HE WHEEZES

HE WHEEZES

MIRANDA:I know my husband does not have tendencies

MIRANDA:I know my husband does not have tendencies

MIRANDA:I know my husband does not have tendencies

as a rapist,

and I don't think you can hide those types of ten-tenden...

and I don't think you can hide those types of ten-tenden...

..those types of tendencies.

If you, er, if you're a...

If you, er, if you're a...

If you have those types of tendencies with women,

If you have those types of tendencies with women,

If you have those types of tendencies with women,

I think you'd do that time and time again.

I think you'd do that time and time again.

Chubby, evil fingers.

I'd recognise those chubby fingers anywhere.

I'd recognise those chubby fingers anywhere.

I can tell it's Nick.

When did you first meet Nicholas Rossi?

When did you first meet Nicholas Rossi?

It was on Myspace,

and when I was going to Sinclair, I put it on my profile

and when I was going to Sinclair, I put it on my profile

and you could network with other students.

and you could network with other students.

And I had one reach out to me - Nick.

And I had one reach out to me - Nick.

He introduced himself as a student who was from Utah,

He introduced himself as a student who was from Utah,

He introduced himself as a student who was from Utah,

but was switching to Sinclair.

but was switching to Sinclair.

We met at the cafeteria in the school.

We met at the cafeteria in the school.

He made me seem like he could be a good friend to me.

He made me seem like he could be a good friend to me.

Nick asks, "Can I offer to walk you to your class?"

Nick asks, "Can I offer to walk you to your class?"

I did not think that, by agreeing,

I did not think that, by agreeing,

I would've put myself in a dangerous position.

I would've put myself in a dangerous position.

He pins me up against the wall,

He pins me up against the wall,

he was putting his hands down my pants.

he was putting his hands down my pants.

I'm telling him, "Please stop.

"Can I please leave? Let me leave."

"Can I please leave? Let me leave."

He starts touching himself,

He starts touching himself,

unzipped his pants, pulled his penis out,

unzipped his pants, pulled his penis out,

and started rubbing on it while molesting me.

and started rubbing on it while molesting me.

At the end, he said, "Shut up, bitch, I'm almost done."

At the end, he said, "Shut up, bitch, I'm almost done."

He ejaculated on the wall behind me.

He ejaculated on the wall behind me.

How old were you? I was 19.

How old were you? I was 19.

I see an out, and I run up the stairs,

I see an out, and I run up the stairs,

and I run to my class.

I still hadn't even processed what had happened to me.

I still hadn't even processed what had happened to me.

When my class is done, I leave,

When my class is done, I leave,

and he is waiting for me.

and he is waiting for me.

He immediately comes up to me and starts apologising.

He immediately comes up to me and starts apologising.

"I'm so sorry, you are beautiful,

"I'm so sorry, you are beautiful,

"I couldn't help myself."

"I couldn't help myself."

He's begging me not to tell anyone.

He's begging me not to tell anyone.

Like, it was kind of dark,

like, it was kind of fucked, like, just leave me alone.

like, it was kind of fucked, like, just leave me alone.

He wasn't getting any more of my time.

He wasn't getting any more of my time.

So, I go to my maths class,

and after that, all my classes were done for the day,

and after that, all my classes were done for the day,

I finally had time to think about what happened to me.

I finally had time to think about what happened to me.

I don't know how long he was out there and abusing women.

I don't know how long he was out there and abusing women.

I was going to fight back.

"You fucked with the wrong one.

"Not me, nope."

And at that point, I was ready to go to the police.

And at that point, I was ready to go to the police.

And what did the police say?

They said,

"I think there's enough here.

"I think there's enough here.

"Would you want to press charges?"

And I said, "Yes."

He did get found guilty of public indecency and sexual imposition.

He did get found guilty of public indecency and sexual imposition.

He did get found guilty of public indecency and sexual imposition.

And what was the sentence?

He had suspended jail time, he had a fine,

He had suspended jail time, he had a fine,

he had counselling,

he had a sex-offender treatment programme

he had a sex-offender treatment programme

and then, he had to register as a sex offender for 15 years.

and then, he had to register as a sex offender for 15 years.

It makes me feel good about what I did.

It makes me feel good about what I did.

I put him there,

because I feel like he has done this before.

because I feel like he has done this before.

because I feel like he has done this before.

It felt rehearsed.

It felt rehearsed.

It felt like a pattern.

"The State of Utah versus Nicholas Rossi,

"The State of Utah versus Nicholas Rossi,

"also known as Nicholas Alahverdian,

"Nicholas Alahverdian Rossi,

"Nicholas Alahverdian Rossi,

"Nicholas Edward Rossi,

"Nicholas Alahverdian-Rossi

"and Nick Allen."

"The State of Utah charges the defendant with the commission of

"The State of Utah charges the defendant with the commission of

"the following offences.

"the following offences.

"Count one - rape."

The victim in our case - known as KP -

The victim in our case - known as KP -

waited more than a decade for a positive breakthrough.

waited more than a decade for a positive breakthrough.

waited more than a decade for a positive breakthrough.

And that breakthrough came when we found a DNA match for

And that breakthrough came when we found a DNA match for

a registered sex offender in Ohio,

a registered sex offender in Ohio,

and that person's name was Nicholas Rossi.

and that person's name was Nicholas Rossi.

"Nicholas Rossi unzipped his pants and exposed his penis.

"Nicholas Rossi unzipped his pants and exposed his penis.

"Nicholas Rossi unzipped his pants and exposed his penis.

"He started to masturbate in front of KP,

"He started to masturbate in front of KP,

"who told him to stop.

"Nicholas Rossi pushed KP on to the couch

"Nicholas Rossi pushed KP on to the couch

"and removed her clothes.

"KP stated that she told him no at least ten times.

"KP stated that she told him no at least ten times.

"KP described crying during this.

"KP described crying during this.

"Nicholas Rossi forced intercourse,

"Nicholas Rossi forced intercourse,

"eventually ejaculating inside of her vagina.

"eventually ejaculating inside of her vagina.

"KP said Nicholas Rossi was not wearing a condom.

"KP said Nicholas Rossi was not wearing a condom.

"KP dressed and started leaving.

"KP dressed and started leaving.

"Nicholas Rossi told her that this was her fault

"Nicholas Rossi told her that this was her fault

"because she is mentally unstable

"and too emotional to deal with.

"and too emotional to deal with.

"He blocked the door to prevent her from leaving.

"He blocked the door to prevent her from leaving.

"Shortly after, he got a text message and she ran out

"Shortly after, he got a text message and she ran out

"while he was distracted.

"A sexual assault kit was completed and DNA was obtained.

"A sexual assault kit was completed and DNA was obtained.

"The Orem Police Department was notified that the DNA swabs

"The Orem Police Department was notified that the DNA swabs

"matched to Nicholas Rossi."

The DNA and fingerprints from my case were able to link him

The DNA and fingerprints from my case were able to link him

The DNA and fingerprints from my case were able to link him

to the rapes out in Utah.

Mary Grebinski is an absolute hero.

Mary Grebinski is an absolute hero.

We wouldn't have a case in Utah without Mary Grebinski.

We wouldn't have a case in Utah without Mary Grebinski.

You know, when I saw the picture that was emerging of Nicholas Rossi,

You know, when I saw the picture that was emerging of Nicholas Rossi,

I knew intuitively that this picture would be much, much, much worse.

I knew intuitively that this picture would be much, much, much worse.

It is really important for everyone to know the truth

It is really important for everyone to know the truth

about Nick, and who he really was.

about Nick, and who he really was.

What he was capable of, and what he did to me.

What he was capable of, and what he did to me.

In 30 years of practising law,

I've never had another case like this one.

I've never had another case like this one.

What did Mary hire you for?

What did Mary hire you for?

To defend her in the civil lawsuit that Nicholas had filed against her.

To defend her in the civil lawsuit that Nicholas had filed against her.

A convicted sexual abuser

A convicted sexual abuser

was suing his victim.

Nicholas Alahverdian, Nicholas Rossi,

Nicholas Alahverdian, Nicholas Rossi,

who had been convicted of a sexual assault

who had been convicted of a sexual assault

against Mary Grebinski a few years before,

against Mary Grebinski a few years before,

was now suing her civilly,

was now suing her civilly,

supposedly for defamation and intentional infliction

supposedly for defamation and intentional infliction

of emotional distress upon him.

of emotional distress upon him.

The judge ruled that the case was so frivolous and so far afield,

The judge ruled that the case was so frivolous and so far afield,

The judge ruled that the case was so frivolous and so far afield,

that Nicholas had to reimburse Mary for the attorney fees

that Nicholas had to reimburse Mary for the attorney fees

that she had paid to me.

that she had paid to me.

I continued to use the Internet

I continued to use the Internet

to just see what he was up to.

to just see what he was up to.

One of the things I found was a bizarre video.

One of the things I found was a bizarre video.

One of the things I found was a bizarre video.

If you can picture at the beginning of the movie Star Wars,

If you can picture at the beginning of the movie Star Wars,

when there is a field of stars gradually fading into the distance

when there is a field of stars gradually fading into the distance

when there is a field of stars gradually fading into the distance

and some text appearing on the screen.

and some text appearing on the screen.

BOMBASTIC MUSIC PLAYS

BOMBASTIC MUSIC PLAYS

Heroic music,

orchestral music playing in the background.

orchestral music playing in the background.

That is how this video began.

That is how this video began.

Just really went over the top

Just really went over the top

in describing the heroic effort that Nicholas had made on behalf

in describing the heroic effort that Nicholas had made on behalf

in describing the heroic effort that Nicholas had made on behalf

of foster children supposedly, in the state of Rhode Island.

of foster children supposedly, in the state of Rhode Island.

of foster children supposedly, in the state of Rhode Island.

What a bright future lay before him,

and indeed, before our whole country

and indeed, before our whole country

because of the future that he planned on pursuing

because of the future that he planned on pursuing

in public policy.

But then, this horrible allegation was made against him

But then, this horrible allegation was made against him

in Dayton, Ohio by this accuser, Mary Grebinski.

in Dayton, Ohio by this accuser, Mary Grebinski.

And, because of that,

the prospects for humanity are so much darker.

the prospects for humanity are so much darker.

We must vindicate Nicholas in the face of these lies.

We must vindicate Nicholas in the face of these lies.

We must vindicate Nicholas in the face of these lies.

It was ridiculous.

The narrative that he presented on this video portrays him as

The narrative that he presented on this video portrays him as

a sort of Luke Skywalker,

a sort of Luke Skywalker,

with Mary Grebinski as Darth Vader.

with Mary Grebinski as Darth Vader.

To defame, as vilely as he could, my client.

To defame, as vilely as he could, my client.

I truly admire Mary Grebinski.

I truly admire Mary Grebinski.

She is so strong in the face of all this ugliness.

She is so strong in the face of all this ugliness.

She is so strong in the face of all this ugliness.

All she wanted was for this to stop.

All she wanted was for this to stop.

BOMBASTIC MUSIC CRESCENDOES

BOMBASTIC MUSIC CRESCENDOES

I would just Google myself periodically,

I would just Google myself periodically,

and see what new bullshit was up.

My Personal 9/11, by Nicholas Alahverdian.

My Personal 9/11, by Nicholas Alahverdian.

First time I read it I, I did cry.

First time I read it I, I did cry.

First time I read it I, I did cry.

"My life and freedom has been under attack since January 2008.

"My life and freedom has been under attack since January 2008.

"My life and freedom has been under attack since January 2008.

"It was then that Mary Grebinski falsely accused me of sexual assault

"It was then that Mary Grebinski falsely accused me of sexual assault

"It was then that Mary Grebinski falsely accused me of sexual assault

"when we merely shared a consensual kiss in

"when we merely shared a consensual kiss in

"a community college hallway."

"a community college hallway."

We did not share a consensual kiss

We did not share a consensual kiss

in a community college hallway.

"Understandably, my comparison of Mary's acts to the acts of

"Understandably, my comparison of Mary's acts to the acts of

"9/11 terrorists may be unpopular,

"9/11 terrorists may be unpopular,

"but my life has effectively been ended by Mary's evil act of terror.

"but my life has effectively been ended by Mary's evil act of terror.

"but my life has effectively been ended by Mary's evil act of terror.

"Destroyed dreams and abandoned life plans are no different

"Destroyed dreams and abandoned life plans are no different

"when one's life is unalterably impacted by a villainous scoundrel,

"when one's life is unalterably impacted by a villainous scoundrel,

"when one's life is unalterably impacted by a villainous scoundrel,

"whether it is Osama bin Laden or Mary Grebinski.

"whether it is Osama bin Laden or Mary Grebinski.

DISTANT SIRENS BLARE

DISTANT SIRENS BLARE

"I hope for a better world filled with more reasonable people

"I hope for a better world filled with more reasonable people

"who lack an inherent desire to terrorise.

"who lack an inherent desire to terrorise.

"It is one of the few hopes I have left.

"It is one of the few hopes I have left.

"Let us live in peace."

He never let me live in peace.

It is completely unhinged to compare me

It is completely unhinged to compare me

It is completely unhinged to compare me

pressing charges against someone who was a predator,

pressing charges against someone who was a predator,

pressing charges against someone who was a predator,

to the death and terrorist attack of thousands of people.

to the death and terrorist attack of thousands of people.

to the death and terrorist attack of thousands of people.

This is not something a sane person would write.

This is not something a sane person would write.

This is not something a sane person would write.

A psychopath would write this.

A psychopath would write this.

There is no line that he will not cross.

There is no line that he will not cross.

What just happened? Hello?

What just happened? Hello?

Erm, Arthur, can I ask you this?

Erm, Arthur, can I ask you this?

Why do you think everyone is so convinced that you are actually

Why do you think everyone is so convinced that you are actually

Nicholas Alahverdian?

Yes? Arthur...

Arthur, I-I'm sorry,

I'm sorry to interrupt, it's just really hard to hear you,

I'm sorry to interrupt, it's just really hard to hear you,

Is there any way, just while you're answering the question,

Is there any way, just while you're answering the question,

you could take off the oxygen mask?

you could take off the oxygen mask?

Or is that not - cos we really can't even understand you.

Or is that not - cos we really can't even understand you.

Or is that not - cos we really can't even understand you.

Good evening, good evening, Dan.

Erm, what Arthur is saying is that this is all

Erm, what Arthur is saying is that this is all

a-a storm in a teacup, erm...

a-a storm in a teacup, erm...

..wh-when Arthur is a hurricane.

Stop! Please stop! Stop it! I can't...

Stop! Please stop! Stop it! I can't...

I need oxygen.

I need oxygen.

BBC reports that police and hospital staff

BBC reports that police and hospital staff

identified Knight as Rossi from his tattoos.

identified Knight as Rossi from his tattoos.

Authorities claim his tattoos matched Nicholas Rossi,

Authorities claim his tattoos matched Nicholas Rossi,

the subject of an international wanted notice.

the subject of an international wanted notice.

Wow! This is...this is it! This is such a story.

Wow! This is...this is it! This is such a story.

Wow! This is...this is it! This is such a story.

And I thought, "Well, I don't care if I'm being paid or not,

And I thought, "Well, I don't care if I'm being paid or not,

"I am going to work on this."

Are you still claiming to be Arthur Knight?

Are you still claiming to be Arthur Knight?

Mr Rossi. Please.

I'm not Mr Rosie at all. OK, then.

I'm not Mr Rosie at all. OK, then.

Whenever I heard that Arthur was on a wee bit of a media tour,

Whenever I heard that Arthur was on a wee bit of a media tour,

and he was given bail, I thought,

and he was given bail, I thought,

"This is my opportunity."

"This is my opportunity."

And I needed to see if Arthur Knight had these same tattoos.

And I needed to see if Arthur Knight had these same tattoos.

And I needed to see if Arthur Knight had these same tattoos.

The images of Nicholas Rossi's arms

The images of Nicholas Rossi's arms

were part of his mugshot when he was arrested,

were part of his mugshot when he was arrested,

so the tattoos are paramount to

so the tattoos are paramount to

the identity of Nicholas Rossi, they're key.

the identity of Nicholas Rossi, they're key.

There is no evidence whatsoever that...

There is no evidence whatsoever that...

..erm, er...

..there are tattoos, and I've shown that to news reporter

..there are tattoos, and I've shown that to news reporter

..there are tattoos, and I've shown that to news reporter

after news reporter, after news reporter.

after news reporter, after news reporter.

Will you show me your arm?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Here's that arm.

Can you roll up your sleeves?

Can you roll up the top of your sleeves? Of course I can.

Can you roll up the top of your sleeves? Of course I can.

Of course I can. Yeah.

Erm...and...

Erm...and...

Go ahead.

I don't have any tattoos at all,

I don't have any tattoos at all,

and also, on my biceps.

and also, on my biceps.

Have you had any tattoos removed?

No.

He could've put on a lot of foundation,

He could've put on a lot of foundation,

some sort of make-up, because, I mean, it was poor quality -

some sort of make-up, because, I mean, it was poor quality -

it's a Zoom, for goodness' sake.

He was then in person with the BBC reporter

He was then in person with the BBC reporter

that was covering the story.

Is it worth seeing your left forearm?

Is it worth seeing your left forearm?

Cos, I mean, that tattoo had a...

That picture had a tattoo on the left forearm.

That picture had a tattoo on the left forearm.

There. I mean, could you just raise it up?

There. I mean, could you just raise it up?

Honestly, I'm exhausted now, it-it's nothing personal.

Honestly, I'm exhausted now, it-it's nothing personal.

I'm just exhausted.

I'm just exhausted.

You know, you think, "Good God, why didn't he do it?"

You know, you think, "Good God, why didn't he do it?"

It was key for me, then to think,

"Well, is this man really who he says he is?

"Well, is this man really who he says he is?

"Is he Arthur Knight, or is he Nicholas Rossi?"

"Is he Arthur Knight, or is he Nicholas Rossi?"

I had to see his arms, I had to see whether he had tattoos or not.

I had to see his arms, I had to see whether he had tattoos or not.

I had to see his arms, I had to see whether he had tattoos or not.

I thought, "I can get in there, he's on bail,

I thought, "I can get in there, he's on bail,

"let me try and visit him."

So, I got his address, and I contacted the landlord,

So, I got his address, and I contacted the landlord,

So, I got his address, and I contacted the landlord,

and I said, "Can you please pass my number on to Arthur?

and I said, "Can you please pass my number on to Arthur?

"And ask him to call me back?"

"And ask him to call me back?"

2-3 days later, I got a call on my phone from a number

2-3 days later, I got a call on my phone from a number

I didn't recognise,

and it was Arthur and Miranda.

and it was Arthur and Miranda.

Arthur had said he was Irish,

and his accent was maybe, sort of, posh English,

and his accent was maybe, sort of, posh English,

but there was these sort of Irish-isms that he threw in

but there was these sort of Irish-isms that he threw in

every now and then,

and I was in Belfast at the time when they called me.

and I was in Belfast at the time when they called me.

I was going back over to Scotland in a couple of days' time,

I was going back over to Scotland in a couple of days' time,

and I said, you know, "What can I get you? I'm in Belfast."

and I said, you know, "What can I get you? I'm in Belfast."

And Arthur turned round and said,

"Can you bring me over some Barry's teabags" -

"Can you bring me over some Barry's teabags" -

which are a very well-known brand of tea that you can buy in Ireland -

which are a very well-known brand of tea that you can buy in Ireland -

"and Tayto smoky bacon crisps?"

"and Tayto smoky bacon crisps?"

And I'm like, "Absolutely fine."

And I'm like, "Absolutely fine."

I have my Zoom recorder, I have my mics and I thought,

I have my Zoom recorder, I have my mics and I thought,

"I'm making a podcast completely off my own back."

"I'm making a podcast completely off my own back."

Hi, I'm Jane.Hello. Miranda.

Can I just record us meeting now?

Yes, that sounds fine. Yeah? OK.

You look very well. Thank you. Nice to meet you.

You look very well. Thank you. Nice to meet you.

Yeah.Come on through.

OK. Hello, Arthur.

PRODUCER:What was your first impressions of Arthur?

PRODUCER:What was your first impressions of Arthur?

My first impressions of Arthur were really very good.

My first impressions of Arthur were really very good.

I mean, he was very friendly, he was very warm,

I mean, he was very friendly, he was very warm,

he was very welcoming, he was funny,

he was very welcoming, he was funny,

he was chatty, he was engaging.

he was chatty, he was engaging.

He really seemed a very decent man.

He really seemed a very decent man.

So, after a couple of hours, I realised time is marching on.

So, after a couple of hours, I realised time is marching on.

I knew the question that I had to ask -

I knew the question that I had to ask -

I had to ask to see his arms.

I had to ask to see his arms.

Can you show me your arms now?

Can you show me your arms now?

I will, yes.

There was no hesitation, and I thought,

There was no hesitation, and I thought,

"Oh, my God, he's doing this."

"Oh, my God, he's doing this."

So slowly, slowly, it was like slow-mo, each arm,

So slowly, slowly, it was like slow-mo, each arm,

pulled back his sleeves to the elbow, slow, slow, slow.

pulled back his sleeves to the elbow, slow, slow, slow.

pulled back his sleeves to the elbow, slow, slow, slow.

Good God.

Good God.

It was unbelievable.

It was unbelievable.

There was, like, no tattoos,

There was, like, no tattoos,

I mean, none. None!

And no, nothing to indicate that they'd been removed.

And no, nothing to indicate that they'd been removed.

No scarring. It just knocked me for six.

No scarring. It just knocked me for six.

I just thought, "What's gone on here?"

I just thought, "What's gone on here?"

The authorities have got it wrong.

The authorities have got it wrong.

He's actually telling the truth.

He is not Nicholas Rossi.

He is not Nicholas Rossi.

He's Arthur Knight.

This random Irishman is actually now

This random Irishman is actually now

the centre of a terrible case of mistaken identity.

the centre of a terrible case of mistaken identity.

the centre of a terrible case of mistaken identity.

And he's lovely, he's a really nice guy.

And he's lovely, he's a really nice guy.

Nick is definitely evil.

Nick is definitely evil.

He's got a sick and twisted mind, and he's dangerous.

He's got a sick and twisted mind, and he's dangerous.

And he's a sexual predator, he's a fucking con artist,

And he's a sexual predator, he's a fucking con artist,

like, he'll break your balls like you wouldn't believe.

like, he'll break your balls like you wouldn't believe.

So, the city police were looking for him cos,

So, the city police were looking for him cos,

as a registered sex offender,

you're supposed to be registering in the city and town

you're supposed to be registering in the city and town

that you're living in.

that you're living in.

So they can monitor you,

so you're not sexually abusing, you know, women or children.

so you're not sexually abusing, you know, women or children.

Then I got a call from the Rhode Island state police,

Then I got a call from the Rhode Island state police,

looking for Nick Alahverdian,

looking for Nick Alahverdian,

cos he had some warrants out for his arrest,

cos he had some warrants out for his arrest,

and he didn't really tell me what they were for.

and he didn't really tell me what they were for.

I wanted to help the police find Nick,

I wanted to help the police find Nick,

cos I felt it was my obligation

to help get a criminal off the streets.

to help get a criminal off the streets.

So, when I called Nick and I said,

"Nick, you have the local Providence police,

"Nick, you have the local Providence police,

"you have the Rhode Island state police looking for you,"

"you have the Rhode Island state police looking for you,"

I said, "Nick, you're in big trouble," I said,

"You'd better turn yourself in and just face the consequences,

"You'd better turn yourself in and just face the consequences,

"whatever it is, face the music."

"whatever it is, face the music."

And he was so irate.

"That's fucking bullshit, fuck them,

"That's fucking bullshit, fuck them,

"they don't know what they're doing."

He was just totally out of control, screaming into the phone,

He was just totally out of control, screaming into the phone,

"Fuck the state police,

"I'm not worried about the state police."

"I'm not worried about the state police."

Erm, "They can kiss my arse."

But then, one morning,

But then, one morning,

I heard a banging at the front door.

I heard a banging at the front door.

It was the US Marshals in plain clothes surrounding my house.

It was the US Marshals in plain clothes surrounding my house.

The US Marshals are the big dogs.

The US Marshals are the big dogs.

They were after Nick like pit bulls.

They were after Nick like pit bulls.

You don't want a pit bull biting your arse, cos they lock on.

You don't want a pit bull biting your arse, cos they lock on.

But they just said he was a wanted fugitive,

But they just said he was a wanted fugitive,

you know, give him a couple of days.

you know, give him a couple of days.

And then, after a couple of days, I called Nick and I said,

And then, after a couple of days, I called Nick and I said,

"Nick, you have the local police,

"Nick, you have the local police,

"state police, and now you have the US Marshals.

"state police, and now you have the US Marshals.

"state police, and now you have the US Marshals.

"They're after you, Nick." And he said,

"They're after you, Nick." And he said,

"I didn't do anything, it's all bullshit."

"I didn't do anything, it's all bullshit."

I said, "Nick", I said,

"You don't amount to a pimple on an elephant's arse.

"You don't amount to a pimple on an elephant's arse.

"The police are going to get ya."

"The police are going to get ya."

Then I was coming down Route 44,

Then I was coming down Route 44,

and I get a phone call on my phone,

and the caller ID, it said "FBI Ohio."

and the caller ID, it said "FBI Ohio."

I said, "Oh, shit, it's the fucking FBI!

I said, "Oh, shit, it's the fucking FBI!

"Let me pick this phone up."

And it was a special agent, er, from Ohio,

And it was a special agent, er, from Ohio,

looking for Nicholas Alahverdian.

looking for Nicholas Alahverdian.

I said, "Well listen, you're the FBI, I mean,

I said, "Well listen, you're the FBI, I mean,

"there's nobody bigger than you guys,

"I mean, you're the FBI, you can't catch him?"

"I mean, you're the FBI, you can't catch him?"

He says, "This kid is so good, he's so good."

He says, "This kid is so good, he's so good."

He said, "This kid is the best we've ever seen.

He said, "This kid is the best we've ever seen.

"We cannot catch him."

So, I reached out to Nick again, I said "Nick", I said,

So, I reached out to Nick again, I said "Nick", I said,

"listen, the FBI's looking for you.

"You gotta be a real scumbag for all these agencies

"You gotta be a real scumbag for all these agencies

"to be coming after you."

"to be coming after you."

He was very, very upset, "Er, I've been framed,

He was very, very upset, "Er, I've been framed,

"it wasn't me."

"Yeah, well, they're going to get you, Nick."

"Yeah, well, they're going to get you, Nick."

"They're not going to get me."

He goes, "Fuck the state police, fuck the local cops,

He goes, "Fuck the state police, fuck the local cops,

"fuck the US Marshals, and definitely fuck the FBI.

"fuck the US Marshals, and definitely fuck the FBI.

"They're too stupid, they can't catch me.

"I'm a lot smarter than they'll ever be."

"I'm a lot smarter than they'll ever be."

PHONE RINGS

PHONE RINGS

RINGING CONTINUES

RINGING CONTINUES

Hello, Bob Kerr speaking.

I was home, and I got a call from Nick saying he was in Russia.

I was home, and I got a call from Nick saying he was in Russia.

I was home, and I got a call from Nick saying he was in Russia.

I said, "Russia?"

And, "Yeah, I'm working in-in Russia, in Moscow."

And, "Yeah, I'm working in-in Russia, in Moscow."

And, "Yeah, I'm working in-in Russia, in Moscow."

And I said, "How's it going?"

And I said, "How's it going?"

He said, "It's really, it's good." He said it was good.

He said, "It's really, it's good." He said it was good.

And, "I-I'll call you again and...

And, "I-I'll call you again and...

"But I just wanted to let you know."

And then, he did call me again to say...

And then, he did call me again to say...

And then, he did call me again to say...

..that he was very sick, that he had cancer.

..that he was very sick, that he had cancer.

I'm speaking with old friend Nick Alahverdian.

I'm speaking with old friend Nick Alahverdian.

Nick, it's good to talk to you. It's been too many years,

Nick, it's good to talk to you. It's been too many years,

and I understand that you're not well.

and I understand that you're not well.

Well, Steve, unfortunately, I've been diagnosed

Well, Steve, unfortunately, I've been diagnosed

with non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

with non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

And unfortunately, this has come much too soon in my life.

And unfortunately, this has come much too soon in my life.

And unfortunately, this has come much too soon in my life.

I wish I had the ability to live much longer,

I wish I had the ability to live much longer,

to accomplish the things that I set about to do.

to accomplish the things that I set about to do.

He sounds like he's on his death bed.

He said, "Rep, Rep, oh, it's Nick."

He said, "Rep, Rep, oh, it's Nick."

I said, "I know it is, I have caller ID."

I said, "What's up, Nick?"

I said, "What's up, Nick?"

"I want to let you know I love you,

"I want to let you know I love you,

"and I have the ultimate respect for you

"and I have the ultimate respect for you

"and I know you always wanted to adopt me,

"but I want to tell you I have two weeks to live."

"but I want to tell you I have two weeks to live."

I said, "What?" He says, "I have two weeks to live."

I said, "What?" He says, "I have two weeks to live."

I said, "What?" He says, "I have two weeks to live."

I said, "What's the matter with you, Nick?"

I said, "What's the matter with you, Nick?"

He says, "I have lymphoma,

"I'm dying, they gave me two weeks to live."

"I'm dying, they gave me two weeks to live."

I said, "Where are you?" I said, "Everybody's looking for you."

I said, "Where are you?" I said, "Everybody's looking for you."

And then, he just wanted to tell me he loved me again.

And then, he just wanted to tell me he loved me again.

And...we hung up.

And...we hung up.

He was always such a person that had energy and life

He was always such a person that had energy and life

and believed in his cause, said his wife,

and believed in his cause, said his wife,

and that was being a warrior for foster children.

and that was being a warrior for foster children.

Nick Alahverdian was 32 years old.

Nick Alahverdian was 32 years old.

A woman who said her name was Louise called

A woman who said her name was Louise called

to say that she was Nick's wife, and Nick had died.

to say that she was Nick's wife, and Nick had died.

to say that she was Nick's wife, and Nick had died.

God, he was in Russia working, seeing the world, you know?

God, he was in Russia working, seeing the world, you know?

You know, I felt sorry, I felt sad.

You know, I felt sorry, I felt sad.

Because I knew him, he was... he was a friend.

Because I knew him, he was... he was a friend.

We had a history, and he might have had a good, rich life.

We had a history, and he might have had a good, rich life.

We had a history, and he might have had a good, rich life.

Louise said he had died in a hospital in Russia,

Louise said he had died in a hospital in Russia,

Louise said he had died in a hospital in Russia,

and then, that there would be a memorial service in Rhode island.

and then, that there would be a memorial service in Rhode island.

PHONE RINGS

Our Lady of Mercy, Father Healey speaking.

Our Lady of Mercy, Father Healey speaking.

Yes.

The phone call came, it was an overseas call.

The phone call came, it was an overseas call.

She said her name was Louise,

that she was the widow of Nicholas Alahverdian.

that she was the widow of Nicholas Alahverdian.

Had I known of his death?

And I said I did.

She had an accent, an English accent.

She had an accent, an English accent.

Older British woman accent, I guess, is a better way to say it.

Older British woman accent, I guess, is a better way to say it.

OFF-CAMERA: Erm, I'm going to ask you if you would do something now,

OFF-CAMERA: Erm, I'm going to ask you if you would do something now,

which you might tell me to piss off.OK.

which you might tell me to piss off.OK.

Would you do the accent and say, "Hello, I'm Louise..."?

Would you do the accent and say, "Hello, I'm Louise..."?

Piss off!

LAUGHTER

LAUGHTER

HIGH-PITCHED BRITISH ACCENT: "Oh, hello.

"How are you Father Healey?

"Oh, I'm Louise, I'm Nicholas's widow.

"Oh, I'm Louise, I'm Nicholas's widow.

"And he always thought so much of you.""

"And he always thought so much of you.""

NORMAL ACCENT: It was kind of like that.

If there's a call for me, fetch me immediately!

If there's a call for me, fetch me immediately!

She sounded like Hyacinth Bucket from Keeping Up Appearances -

She sounded like Hyacinth Bucket from Keeping Up Appearances -

a show that we see regularly here in the United States.

a show that we see regularly here in the United States.

PHONE RINGS

PHONE RINGS

The Bucket residence! The lady of the house speaking!

The Bucket residence! The lady of the house speaking!

She seemed to go on a bit about how much Nicholas respected me

She seemed to go on a bit about how much Nicholas respected me

She seemed to go on a bit about how much Nicholas respected me

and admired me, and what an honour it would be if I were to do this.

and admired me, and what an honour it would be if I were to do this.

and admired me, and what an honour it would be if I were to do this.

And I found that strange,

And I found that strange,

because I really didn't know him well.

because I really didn't know him well.

I-I kind of chuckled to myself, saying, you know,

I-I kind of chuckled to myself, saying, you know,

"I'll do a funeral mass for anybody, you don't have to..."

"I'll do a funeral mass for anybody, you don't have to..."

Can I say kiss your arse?

You know, "You don't have to kiss my arse to get a funeral mass."

You know, "You don't have to kiss my arse to get a funeral mass."

Then we discussed, we have to get a date,

Then we discussed, we have to get a date,

particulars about a mass, you know, that we could livestream it,

particulars about a mass, you know, that we could livestream it,

because she told me she couldn't come,

she was in Switzerland with her children,

she was in Switzerland with her children,

and she said they weren't Nicholas's children,

and she said they weren't Nicholas's children,

they were by a previous marriage.

they were by a previous marriage.

We would plan it via email, then gave me access to a web page

We would plan it via email, then gave me access to a web page

We would plan it via email, then gave me access to a web page

that was all about Nicholas and his achievements.

that was all about Nicholas and his achievements.

Eulogy to help me write the homily,

Eulogy to help me write the homily,

all the things I should say about how wonderful Nicholas was.

all the things I should say about how wonderful Nicholas was.

And then, I got this long list of music that was

And then, I got this long list of music that was

more fitting for Queen Elizabeth's funeral than it would be

more fitting for Queen Elizabeth's funeral than it would be

at a parish mass.

I would have needed the, you know, London Philharmonic

I would have needed the, you know, London Philharmonic

to actually play any of the music.

to actually play any of the music.

ORCHESTRA PLAYS BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY

ORCHESTRA PLAYS BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY

ORCHESTRA PLAYS NESSUN DORMA

ORCHESTRA PLAYS BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY

ORCHESTRA PLAYS BACH'S TOCCATA AND FUGUE

ORCHESTRA PLAYS BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY

APPLAUSE

No. We do not have an orchestra.

No. We do not have an orchestra.

One organist and at a funeral mass,

One organist and at a funeral mass,

we typically have the organist and a soloist.

we typically have the organist and a soloist.

# O come, O come, Emmanuel... #

# O come, O come, Emmanuel... #

# O come, O come, Emmanuel... #

The funeral arrangements were so grandiose that you would've thought

The funeral arrangements were so grandiose that you would've thought

The funeral arrangements were so grandiose that you would've thought

he was a combination of Nelson Mandela and Mother Teresa.

he was a combination of Nelson Mandela and Mother Teresa.

You know, you would think that

the state would have to be shut down for a day of mourning.

the state would have to be shut down for a day of mourning.

Lord, hear our prayer.

For the faithful departed, that they may enjoy the vision of God,

For the faithful departed, that they may enjoy the vision of God,

For the faithful departed, that they may enjoy the vision of God,

face-to-face.

"Nicholas Alahverdian's battle for life

"ended on February 29th, 2020."

"ended on February 29th, 2020."

"At the bedside were Mrs Alahverdian,

"At the bedside were Mrs Alahverdian,

"their two children, and extended family.

"their two children, and extended family.

"His last words were, 'Fear not and run toward the bliss of the sun.'

"His last words were, 'Fear not and run toward the bliss of the sun.'

"At the time of his passing, the room was filled with

"At the time of his passing, the room was filled with

"the sounds of the end credits for the 1997 film Contact,

"the sounds of the end credits for the 1997 film Contact,

"the sounds of the end credits for the 1997 film Contact,

"by composer Alan Silvestri,

"by composer Alan Silvestri,

"a film and score which held special meaning for Mr Alahverdian."

"a film and score which held special meaning for Mr Alahverdian."

"Mr Alahverdian was a devout Roman Catholic.

"Mr Alahverdian was a devout Roman Catholic.

"In keeping with Mr Alahverdian's wishes,

"In keeping with Mr Alahverdian's wishes,

"his earthly remains were cremated with his ashes scattered at sea."

"his earthly remains were cremated with his ashes scattered at sea."

"Statesmen and stateswomen in the House of Representatives and Senate

"Statesmen and stateswomen in the House of Representatives and Senate

"joined with mayors across Rhode Island in homage to a man whom

"joined with mayors across Rhode Island in homage to a man whom

"they acknowledged as one of the most vocal, outspoken,

"they acknowledged as one of the most vocal, outspoken,

"and constructive advocates for reforming Rhode Island's DCYF

"and constructive advocates for reforming Rhode Island's DCYF

"and the childcare system, and a fighter in spirit,

"and the childcare system, and a fighter in spirit,

"but a peacemaker in practice for two decades.

"but a peacemaker in practice for two decades.

"Mr Alahverdian leaves many friends,

"Mr Alahverdian leaves many friends,

"ranging from the world of politics to music,

"ranging from the world of politics to music,

"to business and beyond."

Ah!

HE CHUCKLES

HE CHUCKLES

It sounds like somebody wrote their own obituary, to me.

It sounds like somebody wrote their own obituary, to me.

You should read mine. HE CHUCKLES

You should read mine. HE CHUCKLES

Nicholas Alahverdian, who had a battle with cancer.

Nicholas Alahverdian, who had a battle with cancer.

Nicholas Alahverdian, who had a battle with cancer.

A very, very smart individual

A very, very smart individual

when I started here some eight years ago.

when I started here some eight years ago.

when I started here some eight years ago.

And I say this on purpose, and I say this to you young people

And I say this on purpose, and I say this to you young people

that are standing there.

Have passion in what you do and never give up on it.

Have passion in what you do and never give up on it.

He had that.

When I saw Representative Ray Hull on the House floor,

When I saw Representative Ray Hull on the House floor,

When I saw Representative Ray Hull on the House floor,

you know, paying respect to Nick and his death,

you know, paying respect to Nick and his death,

and his moment of silence,

I was screaming at the TV.

I was screaming at the TV.

And it touched me to be honoured to get up to say something

And it touched me to be honoured to get up to say something

on his behalf today.

"Ray, you fucking - what the fuck's wrong with you?

"Ray, you fucking - what the fuck's wrong with you?

"He's still alive, don't fall for that bullshit, Ray!"

"He's still alive, don't fall for that bullshit, Ray!"

He believed in something that happened to him,

He believed in something that happened to him,

and he looked forward to the change in DCYF.

and he looked forward to the change in DCYF.

I ask that all my colleagues remember him. God bless.

I ask that all my colleagues remember him. God bless.

I ask that all my colleagues remember him. God bless.

I said, "That's fucking bullshit. This kid's still alive.

I said, "That's fucking bullshit. This kid's still alive.

Nick's a fucking cockroach - cockroaches don't die.

Nick's a fucking cockroach - cockroaches don't die.

I didn't believe he was dead, but nobody believed me.

A few days after all these arrangements were made,

A few days after all these arrangements were made,

I received a phone call from Detective O'Donnell.

I received a phone call from Detective O'Donnell.

I received a phone call from Detective O'Donnell.

He asked me if I, you know,

"Are you celebrating a memorial mass for Nicholas Alahverdian?"

"Are you celebrating a memorial mass for Nicholas Alahverdian?"

I said, "Yes."

And the detective began to tell me,

"Well, you're going to have to cancel that,"

"Well, you're going to have to cancel that,"

because Nicholas was not, in fact, dead.

because Nicholas was not, in fact, dead.

To evade the FBI - I didn't think they were ever going to find him,

To evade the FBI - I didn't think they were ever going to find him,

to be honest with you.

to be honest with you.

This is Catch Me If You Can,

This is Catch Me If You Can,

but a much darker-sided con artist.

but a much darker-sided con artist.

but a much darker-sided con artist.

And he's committing crimes, he's like a hurricane.

And he's committing crimes, he's like a hurricane.

He goes in like a hurricane and destroys everything,

He goes in like a hurricane and destroys everything,

and he leaves.

Well, he got caught.

What Arthur is saying is that this is all a storm in a teacup.

What Arthur is saying is that this is all a storm in a teacup.

What Arthur is saying is that this is all a storm in a teacup.

Um...

..wh-when Arthur is a hurricane.

..wh-when Arthur is a hurricane.

One of the news stations over there had asked me if I would

One of the news stations over there had asked me if I would

confront Nick on live TV,

confront Nick on live TV,

and I said, "Absolutely."

Hi, Nick, how are you?

Ahem. How you doin', Nick?

Ahem. How you doin', Nick?

He says that he knows you.

He says that he knows you.

Nick, I'm the one that's Irish, you're not. Coogan.

Nick, I'm the one that's Irish, you're not. Coogan.

Nick, we didn't give birth to you

but we were going to adopt you.

I know who Nicholas Alahverdian is, and that's you.

I know who Nicholas Alahverdian is, and that's you.

We called him.

We called him.

This hearing is concerned solely with the question of

This hearing is concerned solely with the question of

whether Mr Knight is the person whose extradition is sought

whether Mr Knight is the person whose extradition is sought

as the accused person in the proceedings in Utah,

as the accused person in the proceedings in Utah,

and who is known as Nicholas Rossi.

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