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"Dahmer, Lake and Ng,
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"Debardeleben,
Bardella, and others.
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"At the core of these criminals
is a need for control.
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"Killing was an act
that provided a release,
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"so sexually satisfying,
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"that they were compelled
to repeat the fantasy,
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"with multiple victims,
again and again.
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"It is this continuum of
violence that we will explore
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The Secret Desires of
Sadistic Serial Killers.
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Signed copies of
Agent David Rossi's
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10th anniversary edition
of his bestseller
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are on sale tonight.
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I find your career so fascinating.
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What's it like to
interview serial killers?
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Well, it's never boring.
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Is that what you enjoy
most about your work,
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looking evil right in the eye?
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No, it's putting killers in jail.
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You know what gets me are the
wives who swear they had no clue
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their husband was a serial killer.
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How can you be married
to one and not know?
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Theresa, would you mind
calling up my car service?
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Not at all.
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Uh, you'll excuse me?
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Sure.
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Agent Rossi.
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Hi, um...
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Hi.
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Hi. I'm a big fan.
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There's not gonna be a quiz.
I saw you taking notes.
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Oh, no, it's just for
my own edification.
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Agent Rossi, are you,
or anyone in your department,
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investigating the recent spike
in homicides in Cleveland?
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Not that I'm aware of.
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There's been an uptick in homicides
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by 11% this quarter. The average
uptick hasn't surpassed 5%
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in the past 10 years in Cleveland.
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I'm guessing you're
studying criminology.
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I am.
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Sir, I think there's
a serial killer here.
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Well, have the police
issued a statement
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to corroborate that?
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I filed an inquiry downtown.
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Um, nobody's called me back.
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But, um, I know that
the coroner's office
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hasn't been as busy since, like,
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the Butcher of Kingsbury
Run in the 1930s.
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Well, what kind of homicides
are we talking about here?
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Ok, um... a man was shot in a park,
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a prostitute was found
with her throat slashed,
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a couple was found
shot in their car,
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a woman was killed in a burglary.
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Do you know what 3 things profilers
look at to link serial crimes?
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Victimology, modus operandi,
and signature.
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Good. So were the victims similar?
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No.
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Was the MO consistent?
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No.
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Was the signature consistent?
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Not that I know of.
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Then there's no obvious reason
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to suggest that the spike in
violence was due to a serial killer.
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I see your point,
sir, but I really...
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You're bright. You obviously
have a passion for this,
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and the bureau is always
looking for good people.
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So, if you get a reply
from the police,
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or even for career advice,
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I'm available.
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OK, thanks. It was
an honor to meet you.
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Keep studying, and don't stop
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until you find all the
answers you're looking for.
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I won't.
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Excuse me.
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Get back!
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It's OK. Get back!
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Uh... oh, hey, it's OK. It's OK.
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Look, I'm not gonna hurt you, OK?
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I live in the neighborhood.
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What's your address?
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817 Tivoli.
It's right down that way.
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Look, if I was gonna hurt you,
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I wouldn't have said,
"Excuse me." OK?
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Are we cool?
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What the hell, man? You scared me.
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I'm... I'm sorry.
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What are you doing here?
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I was just walking home
from the liquor store
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and I saw you snooping around.
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What about you?
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So you heard what happened here?
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Yeah.
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Poor woman.
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All the neighbors are freaking out.
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I can't believe I didn't
even know her name.
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Kayla James.
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She was raped, too.
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Can't believe this
happened on my street.
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No, it's not just your street.
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There's been a lot
of murders lately.
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Really?
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Yeah, it's uncharacteristically
high for our city.
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You with the police or something?
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I'm just investigating a few cases.
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Gosh, all of a sudden,
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all these random, violent murders.
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Something weird is going on here.
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What do you mean by weird?
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Agent Rossi.
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Yes.
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I'll be right down.
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Agent Rossi?
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I'm Detective Dan Brady.
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We found your card on the victim.
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Any idea what happened here?
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"I never teach my pupils,
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I only attempt to
provide the conditions
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in which they can learn."
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Albert Einstein.
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She was found by a woman
walking her dog this morning.
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Dog wouldn't stop barking.
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I just talked to her last night.
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I never asked her name.
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Zoe Hawkes.
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That's her car right there.
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These keys were
still in her pocket.
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Car alarm was still activated.
There was no sign of a break-in.
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She had pepper spray
but didn't use it?
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I don't know, maybe she
didn't get the chance.
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Nobody saw or heard anything?
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No. We went door to door.
There were no witnesses.
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There was blunt-force
trauma to her head,
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signs of strangulation.
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Murderer asphyxiated her
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with the scarf she was wearing.
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Do you have any idea
what she was doing
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snooping around this case?
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You keep talking like I
know something. What case?
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The resident of this house,
Kayla James,
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was murdered and raped 3 days ago,
in a burglary-homicide.
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I think there's a
serial killer here.
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And don't stop until you find all
the answers you're looking for.
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I won't.
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This is Henry wearing the
booties my mom knitted him.
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I can't get over his cuteness.
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Oh, and this is him wearing
the customized leather jacket
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auntie Penelope got him.
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When he grows up,
he's gonna be a rebel.
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Is this David Rossi,
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the famous bestselling author,
David Rossi?
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What are you doing?
You're not supposed to be calling
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when you're on annual leave.
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I think my AL just ended.
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What do you mean?
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Garcia, Cleveland Police
is sending you some files.
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Get JJ to distribute them
to the team right away.
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Yeah. What are we looking at?
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I don't know yet.
Just see if the team
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can find a connection
with these crimes.
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I'll call you back in a few hours.
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Yes, sir.
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She had a notebook
with her last night.
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I saw one in her car.
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Can I take a look?
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It may be evidence,
but I don't see why not.
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Have you been to her house yet?
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I'm headed there now.
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I have to notify the next of kin.
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Now, if you get a
reply from the police,
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or even for career advice,
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I'm available.
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Thanks.
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It was an honor to meet you.
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Sheila Hawkes?
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Yeah.
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Hi. I'm, uh,
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Detective Brady with the
Cleveland Police Department.
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This is Agent Rossi, with the FBI.
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May we come in?
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Why?
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It's about your daughter.
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That... that's...
that's one of her journals.
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Has something happened?
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Yes.
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She was murdered.
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I am so sorry.
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Mrs. Hawkes.
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Here, let me help you.
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Oh, no!
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No!
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Where did you find her?
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She was in a house
in East Cleveland.
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We think she may have been
visiting a crime scene.
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God...
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I told her to stop doing that.
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I told her that was too dangerous.
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Where... where is she now?
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She's at the coroner's office,
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and I can take you to see
her when you're ready.
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OK. Now.
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Right now. I have to go right now.
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Mrs. Hawkes, would you
mind if I stayed behind
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to look in her room?
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She was so excited to meet you.
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You're like a...
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a hero to her.
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Mrs. Hawkes.
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Let me take you downtown now.
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Come on.
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I'll, uh, I'll send a car for you.
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The crimes are within
a 7-mile radius.
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Well, that's something.
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Yeah, but the neighborhoods
are all completely different.
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They range from poor to rich,
industrial to residential.
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The physical locations
are dissimilar,
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but the operating
zone's well-defined.
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OK. I'm in.
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I see you.
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In your web browser
for search history.
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Check out her home page.
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All right, so the first
thing she looks at
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when she opens her
computer is a crime column.
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Probably to stay
current on her studies.
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Can you see what
she worked on last?
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Voila.
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These are the most recently
opened documents she created.
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Looks like she was compiling
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empirical data about
homicide trends in Cleveland.
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Do you think she knew the killer?
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I don't see any notes
indicating suspects.
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Well, Dave, she's a
criminology student.
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She's been taught to
analyze statistics
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and apply theory,
not investigate killers.
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Let's talk about what we know.
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All right. Victim one...
Travis Bartlett was last seen
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at a gay bar. He was
shot at night, in a park.
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Victim 2, Lily Nicks,
a 34-year-old prostitute,
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her throat was slashed.
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Victims 3 and 4,
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June Appleby and Troy Wertsler,
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were shot in their
car at a parking lot
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outside of a movie theater.
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And victim 5 was a
28-year-old single woman,
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Kayla James, killed in her home.
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She was bound, suffocated,
with a bag over her head,
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evidence of rape.
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And then the sixth victim was Zoe.
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Victimology, weapons used, and COD.
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Are all different.
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It's hard to imagine
it's even the same unsub.
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It can't be a coincidence
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that Zoe goes to Kayla James'
house and gets murdered.
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All right, let's say
it is the same killer.
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Does anybody see a pattern?
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Well, maybe.
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OK, in the first crime,
he shoots the victim.
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The second crime, he rapes a
woman and slashes her throat.
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That's more personal.
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And the third crime, he escalates
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to killing two people,
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and the fourth,
he escalates even more
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by raping a woman, binding her,
and suffocating her.
262
00:13:22,395 --> 00:13:24,029
So if it is the same unsub,
263
00:13:24,097 --> 00:13:26,565
you could argue that there's a
progression of violence with every kill.
264
00:13:26,633 --> 00:13:28,867
It could be an anger
excitation offender,
265
00:13:28,935 --> 00:13:30,869
getting more daring
with each crime.
266
00:13:30,937 --> 00:13:32,538
I think I got something here.
267
00:13:32,605 --> 00:13:34,373
Look at this.
268
00:13:34,441 --> 00:13:37,176
The slashes in the
prostitute's throat...
269
00:13:37,243 --> 00:13:39,578
they're all shallow, unsure cuts.
270
00:13:39,646 --> 00:13:42,748
The Kayla James crime scene...
271
00:13:42,816 --> 00:13:45,851
telephone cord, rope,
and duct tape were used.
272
00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:48,554
It's like he couldn't
decide how to bind her.
273
00:13:48,621 --> 00:13:50,089
So, without a gun,
274
00:13:50,156 --> 00:13:52,091
he's sloppy, inexperienced.
275
00:13:52,158 --> 00:13:54,626
The young couple shot in the car...
276
00:13:54,694 --> 00:13:57,396
That crime scene
remind you of anything?
277
00:13:57,464 --> 00:13:59,832
Yeah, they were shot
with a .44 bulldog,
278
00:13:59,899 --> 00:14:01,367
just like the Son of Sam
used on his victims,
279
00:14:01,434 --> 00:14:05,571
which were also young
couples in parked cars.
280
00:14:05,638 --> 00:14:07,973
It might be nothing, but you're right,
there is a parallel there.
281
00:14:08,041 --> 00:14:11,076
With the second victim,
it's hard not to think of Jack the Ripper.
282
00:14:11,144 --> 00:14:15,147
The obvious similarity being, it's a
prostitute, whose throat was slashed.
283
00:14:15,215 --> 00:14:19,151
Kayla James was bound,
tortured, raped,
284
00:14:19,219 --> 00:14:21,653
with a plastic bag over
her head like, BTK.
285
00:14:25,625 --> 00:14:27,059
What about victim number one?
286
00:14:27,127 --> 00:14:29,395
Garcia, what neighborhood
was he found in?
287
00:14:29,462 --> 00:14:32,431
At a park in the
Kingsbury Run area.
288
00:14:32,499 --> 00:14:34,066
Zoe reminded me last night
289
00:14:34,134 --> 00:14:37,069
that Cleveland's most
famous serial killer
290
00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:39,171
was the Butcher of Kingsbury Run.
291
00:14:39,239 --> 00:14:42,474
He found his victims
in gay bars, shot them,
292
00:14:42,542 --> 00:14:44,777
and dumped their body there.
293
00:14:44,844 --> 00:14:48,347
Travis Bartlett was
last seen at a gay bar,
294
00:14:48,415 --> 00:14:51,150
and his body was found
in Kingsbury Park.
295
00:14:53,086 --> 00:14:56,588
So these are copycats of
famous serial killers?
296
00:14:56,656 --> 00:15:00,292
He's a serial killer
studying serial killers.
297
00:15:03,897 --> 00:15:05,798
See you in Cleveland, Dave.
298
00:15:49,943 --> 00:15:51,477
Hey, Dave. Guys.
299
00:15:51,544 --> 00:15:53,612
We're in that room.
Coffee's brewing.
300
00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,314
We'll get started on
the evidence boards.
301
00:15:55,381 --> 00:15:57,116
Detective Brady's our point.
302
00:15:57,183 --> 00:15:59,785
I'll let you all
introduce yourselves.
303
00:15:59,853 --> 00:16:01,520
JJ.
304
00:16:01,588 --> 00:16:03,188
Can you help me out with something?
305
00:16:03,256 --> 00:16:04,623
Sure.
306
00:16:06,893 --> 00:16:08,727
This has to be confidential.
307
00:16:10,597 --> 00:16:12,131
I know it may seem farfetched,
308
00:16:12,198 --> 00:16:14,333
but copycat killers are
not entirely uncommon.
309
00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,568
This one happens to be copying
several different killers.
310
00:16:16,636 --> 00:16:18,237
But if he's trying to be the
Butcher of Kingsbury Run,
311
00:16:18,304 --> 00:16:19,738
why didn't he cut up and
mutilate the victims,
312
00:16:19,806 --> 00:16:20,806
like the real guy?
313
00:16:20,874 --> 00:16:21,940
That was 7 weeks ago.
314
00:16:22,008 --> 00:16:23,308
He was just getting started.
315
00:16:23,376 --> 00:16:26,178
Beginning killers are often
frightened of the crime itself.
316
00:16:26,246 --> 00:16:28,847
They're more interested in getting
it over with as quickly as possible
317
00:16:28,915 --> 00:16:30,182
and fleeing the scene.
318
00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:31,683
He was just using
the Butcher's ruse
319
00:16:31,751 --> 00:16:33,552
as a way to lure the victim
to be alone with him.
320
00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:35,921
And by the time he killed
Kayla James, 3 days ago,
321
00:16:35,989 --> 00:16:37,189
he'd progressed. He came very close
322
00:16:37,257 --> 00:16:39,324
to copying all of the BTK's MO.
323
00:16:39,392 --> 00:16:41,326
He's reading, learning,
borrowing from others,
324
00:16:41,394 --> 00:16:43,562
because he doesn't
know who he is yet.
325
00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:45,364
And because of this, we think
he's young and impressionable,
326
00:16:45,431 --> 00:16:46,598
maybe even a student.
327
00:16:46,666 --> 00:16:48,700
Someone probably enrolled
in criminology classes.
328
00:16:48,768 --> 00:16:50,536
Our technical analyst
is going through names
329
00:16:50,603 --> 00:16:52,037
of local students right now.
330
00:16:52,105 --> 00:16:53,872
Up to this point, changing his MO
331
00:16:53,940 --> 00:16:55,941
has prevented investigators
from linking the crimes.
332
00:16:56,009 --> 00:16:57,376
That's why we need to work quickly.
333
00:16:57,443 --> 00:16:58,710
You're sure about this?
334
00:16:58,778 --> 00:17:00,379
It's not a coincidence
that all of these
335
00:17:00,446 --> 00:17:02,714
random, violent murders,
in a localized area,
336
00:17:02,782 --> 00:17:04,550
are copycats of serial killers.
337
00:17:04,617 --> 00:17:06,218
It's as if all the
worst serial killers
338
00:17:06,286 --> 00:17:08,921
have converged on Cleveland.
Every time he plans to kill,
339
00:17:08,988 --> 00:17:12,591
the murder weapon, the MO,
and the victimology will all change.
340
00:17:40,987 --> 00:17:42,754
Detective, will you
let your team know
341
00:17:42,822 --> 00:17:44,656
we're ready to give a
preliminary profile.
342
00:17:44,724 --> 00:17:46,558
Sure. I gotta go.
343
00:17:46,626 --> 00:17:48,894
Hotch. I'm gonna step
out for this one,
344
00:17:48,962 --> 00:17:50,062
clear my head.
345
00:17:50,129 --> 00:17:51,663
OK.
346
00:17:52,832 --> 00:17:54,633
Garcia found 3 male students
347
00:17:54,701 --> 00:17:56,802
enrolled in criminology
classes with felony records.
348
00:17:56,869 --> 00:17:58,170
Good. We'll interview them.
349
00:17:58,238 --> 00:17:59,471
I don't think we need to.
350
00:17:59,539 --> 00:18:00,806
One of them is studying abroad,
351
00:18:00,873 --> 00:18:02,774
the other 2 are back in
jail on other charges.
352
00:18:02,842 --> 00:18:04,810
Tell Garcia to check enrollment
353
00:18:04,877 --> 00:18:06,478
in online and
correspondence courses,
354
00:18:06,546 --> 00:18:09,314
see if we have any luck
with those parameters.
355
00:18:13,386 --> 00:18:16,288
You guys handle the profile?
356
00:18:16,356 --> 00:18:17,623
Yeah. Everything OK?
357
00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:19,524
Everything's fine.
358
00:18:19,592 --> 00:18:22,961
We have 6 homicides in a 7-mile
radius in East Cleveland.
359
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:24,496
Now, this small zone indicates
360
00:18:24,564 --> 00:18:26,498
that's he's a geographically
stable offender.
361
00:18:26,566 --> 00:18:29,368
This type of offender is
characterized as young,
362
00:18:29,435 --> 00:18:31,470
socially immature,
of average intelligence,
363
00:18:31,537 --> 00:18:33,538
with psychopathic
personality traits.
364
00:18:33,606 --> 00:18:36,208
They also usually live alone
and have an antisocial nature.
365
00:18:36,276 --> 00:18:39,645
A serial killer's first
murder is very telling.
366
00:18:39,712 --> 00:18:41,446
This unsub's first murder,
he chose the MO
367
00:18:41,514 --> 00:18:43,682
of Cleveland's own
Butcher of Kingsbury Run.
368
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:45,150
The Butcher isn't as well known
369
00:18:45,218 --> 00:18:46,985
as other famous serial killers,
370
00:18:47,053 --> 00:18:48,453
but he is a local legend.
371
00:18:48,521 --> 00:18:50,355
And because he picked
the Butcher to be first,
372
00:18:50,423 --> 00:18:52,090
we believe he's a
native of Cleveland
373
00:18:52,158 --> 00:18:54,059
and probably grew up hearing
stories of the Butcher.
374
00:18:54,127 --> 00:18:57,095
This is someone who is
obsessed with serial killers.
375
00:18:57,163 --> 00:18:58,964
His computer will be filled
with research on them.
376
00:18:59,032 --> 00:19:01,099
He'll have abundant images
of murderers on his computer
377
00:19:01,167 --> 00:19:02,834
and possibly even snuff films.
378
00:19:02,902 --> 00:19:04,970
He uses these like pornography.
379
00:19:05,038 --> 00:19:08,607
They provide some sort
of sexual release.
380
00:19:23,589 --> 00:19:26,992
I think he went back
to relive his crime.
381
00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:29,828
When Zoe showed up,
she became a victim of opportunity.
382
00:19:29,896 --> 00:19:32,731
It's the same theory we
arrived at on the plane.
383
00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,333
He strangled her
with her own scarf.
384
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,903
He didn't plan it.
I think she surprised him.
385
00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:41,073
I told her not to stop
until she found the answers
386
00:19:41,140 --> 00:19:43,675
she was looking for.
387
00:19:43,743 --> 00:19:46,378
I didn't think she would
go to a crime scene.
388
00:19:46,446 --> 00:19:48,513
Her mom said it's something
that she does all the time.
389
00:19:48,581 --> 00:19:50,015
She probably would
have gone anyway.
390
00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:51,683
But it's because of what I said
391
00:19:51,751 --> 00:19:54,219
that she was encouraged
to go there last night.
392
00:19:54,287 --> 00:19:55,721
Dave, what are you doing?
393
00:19:55,788 --> 00:19:58,256
She came to me and I dismissed her.
394
00:19:58,324 --> 00:20:00,726
Try not to personalize it.
395
00:20:00,793 --> 00:20:03,195
I was the last one she talked to
396
00:20:03,262 --> 00:20:05,530
before she was murdered.
397
00:20:05,598 --> 00:20:08,367
How is this not personal, Aaron?
398
00:20:09,435 --> 00:20:10,969
OK.
399
00:20:11,037 --> 00:20:12,471
It's personal.
400
00:20:12,538 --> 00:20:16,375
That doesn't change how we
go about finding her killer.
401
00:20:17,944 --> 00:20:19,444
We know that violent criminals
402
00:20:19,512 --> 00:20:22,614
develop a signature
over a series of crimes.
403
00:20:22,682 --> 00:20:27,319
If he's young, he probably hasn't
even figured out what his is yet.
404
00:20:27,387 --> 00:20:29,888
Find the signature,
we can link the crimes.
405
00:20:29,956 --> 00:20:33,525
He probably monitoring the news, seeing
if the police have connected them yet.
406
00:20:33,593 --> 00:20:36,128
We can use that.
We can utilize the media.
407
00:20:36,195 --> 00:20:38,463
And I think I know
who we can talk to.
408
00:20:49,609 --> 00:20:50,909
I knew homicides were up,
409
00:20:50,977 --> 00:20:53,678
but nobody said anything
about a serial killer.
410
00:20:53,746 --> 00:20:57,783
Why do I get a visit from the BAU?
411
00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:59,151
You're Paula McConnell,
412
00:20:59,218 --> 00:21:00,852
Cleveland's number one
source in crime news.
413
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,621
You're detailed,
you have a following.
414
00:21:02,688 --> 00:21:03,989
He's reading you.
415
00:21:04,056 --> 00:21:05,023
We need you to write
416
00:21:05,091 --> 00:21:07,259
that the police have
found his signature.
417
00:21:07,326 --> 00:21:08,527
You can help us by explaining
418
00:21:08,594 --> 00:21:09,995
what his signature is,
in your article.
419
00:21:10,062 --> 00:21:11,363
It's a killer's personal stamp,
420
00:21:11,431 --> 00:21:12,864
his distinctive
touch that he leaves
421
00:21:12,932 --> 00:21:14,466
at the scene of every crime.
422
00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:16,701
Well, I've been doing
this for 18 years.
423
00:21:16,769 --> 00:21:18,470
And I know what a
signature is, honey.
424
00:21:19,705 --> 00:21:22,340
We just really need you
to be detailed about this.
425
00:21:22,408 --> 00:21:24,443
We're speaking directly to him.
426
00:21:24,510 --> 00:21:27,279
Through my column.
427
00:21:27,346 --> 00:21:28,547
He's doing something,
428
00:21:28,614 --> 00:21:31,283
a behavioral impulse he
feels compelled to do.
429
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:34,786
But a need-driven act
to get a sexual release
430
00:21:34,854 --> 00:21:36,688
that's specific to his psyche.
431
00:21:36,756 --> 00:21:39,891
This repetitive behavior at each
crime scene will lead us to him.
432
00:21:39,959 --> 00:21:42,861
Let me take a stab at it.
433
00:21:42,929 --> 00:21:44,896
Yeah, Reid.
434
00:21:44,964 --> 00:21:47,499
Uh, they just found another body.
435
00:21:53,806 --> 00:21:55,874
They're bringing him up right now.
436
00:21:57,643 --> 00:22:00,245
Teenagers found him a
little over an hour ago.
437
00:22:01,414 --> 00:22:05,250
It's petechiae in the
whites of his eyes.
438
00:22:05,318 --> 00:22:08,687
Judging from the bruising,
he was probably strangled with a wire.
439
00:22:08,754 --> 00:22:09,921
Is this our guy?
440
00:22:09,989 --> 00:22:11,022
It's gotta be.
441
00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:12,924
A jogger doesn't get
garroted every day.
442
00:22:12,992 --> 00:22:15,794
Whatever signature he may have left
was probably washed away in the water.
443
00:22:15,862 --> 00:22:17,362
Well, who's he mimicking now?
444
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:20,532
Bike path rapist Altemio
Sanchez comes to mind.
445
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,201
He trolled bike paths near Buffalo,
garroting his victims.
446
00:22:23,269 --> 00:22:25,403
It looks like he copied
everything except for the rape.
447
00:22:25,471 --> 00:22:26,872
Strangulation's a repetition
448
00:22:26,939 --> 00:22:29,374
of his last murder, of Zoe.
449
00:22:29,442 --> 00:22:30,876
First time he's repeated himself.
450
00:22:30,943 --> 00:22:32,377
Zoe's murder was
spontaneous, though.
451
00:22:32,445 --> 00:22:33,879
He didn't plan it.
He acted on instinct
452
00:22:33,946 --> 00:22:35,380
and did what came naturally to him.
453
00:22:35,448 --> 00:22:36,882
Maybe what came naturally
felt good to him
454
00:22:36,949 --> 00:22:38,216
and he wanted to feel it again.
455
00:22:38,284 --> 00:22:39,885
If he's starting to
repeat a pattern,
456
00:22:39,952 --> 00:22:42,787
he may have found himself.
457
00:23:10,641 --> 00:23:13,009
Zoe Hawkes.
458
00:23:13,076 --> 00:23:15,645
H-a-w-k-e-s.
459
00:23:15,712 --> 00:23:17,480
Very good.
460
00:23:18,982 --> 00:23:20,449
I'm Danny.
461
00:23:20,517 --> 00:23:22,552
I want you to call us
462
00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:24,287
if you have any questions at all.
463
00:23:24,354 --> 00:23:27,189
We're gonna take great care of her.
464
00:23:27,257 --> 00:23:28,658
OK?
465
00:23:28,725 --> 00:23:30,326
You're all set.
466
00:23:30,394 --> 00:23:32,762
Um, do I pay the bill here?
467
00:23:32,829 --> 00:23:36,799
No, ma'am. The bill's been taken
care of by an anonymous donor.
468
00:23:41,638 --> 00:23:43,606
See anything else in there?
469
00:23:43,674 --> 00:23:46,542
Just the notations of
an observant student.
470
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:48,110
I've been thinking, though.
471
00:23:48,178 --> 00:23:50,680
Zoe got all of her information
from the newspapers
472
00:23:50,747 --> 00:23:52,682
and from Paula McConnell's column.
473
00:23:52,749 --> 00:23:54,050
There's no way she could have known
474
00:23:54,117 --> 00:23:55,384
about every homicide in the city.
475
00:23:55,452 --> 00:23:57,787
Well, not every homicide's
reported in the papers.
476
00:23:57,854 --> 00:23:59,555
So how do we know the unsub
didn't commit more murders
477
00:23:59,623 --> 00:24:01,023
than the ones noted
in her journals?
478
00:24:01,091 --> 00:24:02,224
We don't.
479
00:24:02,292 --> 00:24:04,627
We can check missing
persons and see if anyone
480
00:24:04,695 --> 00:24:07,063
was last seen in the
unsub's operating zone.
481
00:24:08,432 --> 00:24:09,966
Hmm.
482
00:24:10,033 --> 00:24:11,100
What?
483
00:24:11,168 --> 00:24:13,269
Well, a young person's
mind is so active...
484
00:24:13,337 --> 00:24:16,772
yours, Zoe's, and I
imagine this unsub's, too.
485
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,741
I think when he get him,
he'll be curious.
486
00:24:18,809 --> 00:24:20,276
He'll ask questions.
487
00:24:20,344 --> 00:24:22,712
Rossi, heads up. She knows.
488
00:24:24,281 --> 00:24:25,982
Did you do this?
489
00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:31,654
I don't need or want your money.
490
00:24:31,722 --> 00:24:34,924
I have taken care of my
daughter for 22 years,
491
00:24:34,992 --> 00:24:37,093
and she is still my responsibility.
492
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,129
I don't need any help from you.
493
00:24:42,265 --> 00:24:44,300
You didn't even know her.
494
00:24:44,368 --> 00:24:47,036
I'm sorry if I've offended you.
495
00:24:48,505 --> 00:24:51,974
Just leave us alone.
496
00:24:58,615 --> 00:24:59,815
All right.
497
00:24:59,883 --> 00:25:01,484
We found another body.
498
00:25:01,551 --> 00:25:02,785
East Cleveland.
499
00:25:02,853 --> 00:25:05,154
Strangulation marks.
500
00:25:06,323 --> 00:25:07,723
This was recent.
501
00:25:07,791 --> 00:25:09,959
The bruises on her
neck are still reddish.
502
00:25:10,027 --> 00:25:12,461
No other obvious signs of trauma.
503
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:15,264
Well, this isn't a bike
path like the last one.
504
00:25:15,332 --> 00:25:16,999
Which serial killer
is he mimicking now?
505
00:25:17,067 --> 00:25:19,001
I don't think he is
mimicking anymore.
506
00:25:19,069 --> 00:25:20,670
He's starting to show consistency.
507
00:25:20,737 --> 00:25:22,772
I think he's developing
his own style.
508
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:24,407
Has anybody touched her?
509
00:25:24,474 --> 00:25:26,075
No. They have instructions
to wait for us and the ME.
510
00:25:26,143 --> 00:25:27,710
Where's he?
511
00:25:27,778 --> 00:25:29,545
Dr. Edwards!
512
00:25:30,981 --> 00:25:32,181
Here he comes.
513
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:35,017
Hi. Agent Hotchner.
514
00:25:35,085 --> 00:25:36,252
Um, could you take a look
515
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:38,888
at this spot on her forehead?
516
00:25:38,955 --> 00:25:41,557
Hmm. That's strange.
517
00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:43,325
Let me swab it and get
it back to the lab.
518
00:25:43,393 --> 00:25:44,694
Thanks.
519
00:25:46,563 --> 00:25:48,831
3 murders in the last 3 days.
520
00:25:48,899 --> 00:25:50,533
Something's causing his frenzy.
521
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,868
Could be a drastic
change in his life.
522
00:25:52,936 --> 00:25:54,637
Something he lost control of.
523
00:25:54,705 --> 00:25:57,873
Or it could be something
he gained control of.
524
00:25:57,941 --> 00:25:59,842
Like himself.
525
00:25:59,910 --> 00:26:03,379
If he's finally defined
himself as a strangler,
526
00:26:03,447 --> 00:26:06,482
he may just be practicing,
perfecting his style.
527
00:26:06,550 --> 00:26:07,850
He may have awakened.
528
00:26:07,918 --> 00:26:09,852
The coroner just called.
529
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,721
Preliminary tests
confirm acetyl alcohol
530
00:26:11,788 --> 00:26:13,422
on the homeless woman's forehead.
531
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:14,890
He sterilized it?
532
00:26:14,958 --> 00:26:16,726
Why would he do that?
533
00:26:16,793 --> 00:26:18,561
Maybe he did something
to her forehead,
534
00:26:18,628 --> 00:26:21,263
used an alcohol wipe
to remove evidence.
535
00:26:21,331 --> 00:26:23,733
Well, if that's the case,
it certainly wasn't necessary to the crime.
536
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,334
This could be part
of his signature.
537
00:26:25,402 --> 00:26:27,403
We should look at other victims
538
00:26:27,471 --> 00:26:28,904
to see if he did something similar.
539
00:26:28,972 --> 00:26:30,172
Any evidence on the last victim
540
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,741
was washed away in the water.
541
00:26:31,808 --> 00:26:34,143
And all the other bodies were
either buried or cremated.
542
00:26:34,211 --> 00:26:37,046
Except for one.
543
00:26:45,622 --> 00:26:49,058
I know you don't want to see me,
but please hear me out.
544
00:26:49,126 --> 00:26:52,728
We need Zoe's body to go
back to the coroner's office.
545
00:26:52,796 --> 00:26:55,731
Zoe's murderer left
a clue on her body.
546
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,601
There's a chance we can
find him from this clue,
547
00:26:58,668 --> 00:27:00,503
but we have to examine her again.
548
00:27:00,570 --> 00:27:04,373
All I want to do
is put her to rest.
549
00:27:04,441 --> 00:27:06,542
Zoe chose to study criminology
550
00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:10,179
because she believed in
bringing criminals to justice.
551
00:27:14,618 --> 00:27:18,420
Can't guarantee the evidence
hasn't been compromised.
552
00:27:18,488 --> 00:27:20,656
The mortician hadn't
touched her yet.
553
00:27:20,724 --> 00:27:24,326
Even so, she's been transported
more times than I'd like.
554
00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:25,895
Don't want anyone to
get their hopes up.
555
00:27:25,962 --> 00:27:29,665
Just make sure the evidence
gets to Quantico quickly.
556
00:27:29,733 --> 00:27:32,668
East Cleveland homicides,
first quarter to date...
557
00:27:32,736 --> 00:27:34,003
5 out of 9 unsolved.
558
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:37,940
January 22... prostitute murder,
downtown at 5th and Main.
559
00:27:38,008 --> 00:27:40,910
January 9... man shot
at Kingsbury Park.
560
00:27:40,977 --> 00:27:44,246
February 15...
Kayla James. Lived alone.
561
00:27:44,314 --> 00:27:46,081
First home invasion...
562
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:47,249
February 8... murder...
563
00:27:47,317 --> 00:27:48,751
young couple shot in car.
564
00:27:48,819 --> 00:27:49,752
No apparent motive.
565
00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:50,753
Investigate.
566
00:27:50,821 --> 00:27:52,154
Why are locations different?
567
00:27:52,222 --> 00:27:55,257
Page 47, Rossi's book:
There are no coincidences.
568
00:27:59,596 --> 00:28:01,363
Garcia, you got something?
569
00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:04,533
Yeah, the boys in the lab found trace
amounts of saliva on Zoe's forehead,
570
00:28:04,601 --> 00:28:06,035
enough for a DNA sample.
571
00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:08,604
So we got a CODIS match
on Eric Ryan Olson,
572
00:28:08,672 --> 00:28:10,039
23, Cleveland native,
573
00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:12,208
did 2 1/2 years for
attempted sexual assault
574
00:28:12,275 --> 00:28:13,709
and was paroled 6 months ago.
575
00:28:13,777 --> 00:28:16,011
We thought for sure
he'd be a student.
576
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:18,280
Uh, that's 'cause he was.
While he was in the slammer,
577
00:28:18,348 --> 00:28:21,016
he took independent
correspondence classes
578
00:28:21,084 --> 00:28:23,886
in forensic science and criminology
from an out-of-state school.
579
00:28:23,954 --> 00:28:25,821
Call the team.
Let's get a search warrant.
580
00:28:25,889 --> 00:28:27,423
Yeah.
581
00:28:32,996 --> 00:28:33,929
Clear!
582
00:28:33,997 --> 00:28:35,397
Clear!
583
00:28:35,465 --> 00:28:36,932
Reid, check the computer.
584
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,235
Detective, we should talk to the neighbors,
find out where he goes,
585
00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:40,736
where he might be on a week night.
586
00:28:40,804 --> 00:28:41,737
Aaron.
587
00:28:41,805 --> 00:28:43,939
He's reading my books.
588
00:28:47,744 --> 00:28:50,846
Don't know how long, baby
589
00:28:50,914 --> 00:28:53,349
I can hold on
590
00:28:54,918 --> 00:28:57,353
but I gotta tell you one thing
591
00:28:59,055 --> 00:29:01,090
Reid, anything?
592
00:29:05,295 --> 00:29:08,097
Al's Alehouse.
That's like 5 miles away.
593
00:29:08,164 --> 00:29:09,531
It's on the schedule for tonight.
594
00:29:12,402 --> 00:29:13,669
Have a good night.
595
00:29:13,737 --> 00:29:14,870
See you tomorrow.
596
00:29:37,694 --> 00:29:39,061
He was alone at the bar.
597
00:29:39,129 --> 00:29:40,229
When did he leave?
598
00:29:40,297 --> 00:29:41,563
Like 10 minutes ago.
599
00:29:41,631 --> 00:29:42,898
Did he talk to anyone?
600
00:29:42,966 --> 00:29:43,933
Linda.
601
00:29:45,101 --> 00:29:47,369
He left right after she did.
602
00:29:47,437 --> 00:29:48,370
Thanks.
603
00:30:03,353 --> 00:30:05,654
Got it, Hotch. Manager says
604
00:30:05,722 --> 00:30:07,923
he may have followed one of
the waitresses out of the bar.
605
00:30:07,991 --> 00:30:09,258
She walks home through Cedar Park.
606
00:30:09,326 --> 00:30:11,760
We just passed Cedar Park.
607
00:30:26,276 --> 00:30:28,844
FBI! Get off the girl!
Get off the girl!
608
00:30:28,912 --> 00:30:30,779
OK, it's OK. Stay down! Stay down!
609
00:30:30,847 --> 00:30:32,147
Get off me.
610
00:30:32,215 --> 00:30:33,649
It's all right. Wait, wait, wait.
611
00:30:33,717 --> 00:30:34,750
- Hold on.
- Get off me!
612
00:30:34,818 --> 00:30:36,852
Stop! We're trying to help you.
613
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,420
He's my boyfriend!
614
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,633
Didn't see that coming.
615
00:30:51,701 --> 00:30:53,535
How could she not know?
616
00:30:53,603 --> 00:30:55,037
Kenneth Bianchi's
girlfriend had no idea
617
00:30:55,105 --> 00:30:56,972
he was one of the
Hillside Stranglers.
618
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,608
Just like BTK's wife.
619
00:30:59,676 --> 00:31:01,076
What do we know about her?
620
00:31:01,144 --> 00:31:02,811
Her name's Linda Jones.
621
00:31:02,879 --> 00:31:05,347
No criminal record.
They met online 6 weeks ago.
622
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:09,551
No, he can't be this guy.
623
00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:11,854
We found his DNA
on a murder victim.
624
00:31:11,921 --> 00:31:13,255
What?
625
00:31:13,323 --> 00:31:15,190
We also think he's
responsible for the murder
626
00:31:15,258 --> 00:31:17,893
of 7 other people
over the last 7 weeks.
627
00:31:17,961 --> 00:31:20,462
Two of his victims were raped.
628
00:31:23,299 --> 00:31:26,335
I think I'm gonna be sick.
629
00:31:27,637 --> 00:31:30,406
OK, OK.
630
00:31:33,109 --> 00:31:34,743
Against my counsel,
631
00:31:34,811 --> 00:31:37,479
my client would like
to talk to Agent Rossi.
632
00:31:39,949 --> 00:31:42,084
We talked about him being curious,
asking questions.
633
00:31:42,152 --> 00:31:44,520
If he thinks he knows you,
he might open up.
634
00:31:44,587 --> 00:31:46,188
I'll keep him talking.
635
00:31:46,256 --> 00:31:47,389
Good.
636
00:31:52,262 --> 00:31:54,963
Agent Rossi.
637
00:31:55,031 --> 00:31:57,366
Big fan.
638
00:31:58,735 --> 00:32:00,235
We have some information
639
00:32:00,303 --> 00:32:01,770
that would be of great
interest to you.
640
00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:05,774
My ears are burning.
641
00:32:05,842 --> 00:32:09,078
My lawyer here explains that I'm
being charged with 8 murders
642
00:32:09,145 --> 00:32:11,380
and that I'm probably looking
at the death penalty.
643
00:32:11,448 --> 00:32:13,882
I have one very important
question for you.
644
00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:17,786
Are you sure it's just 8?
645
00:32:19,756 --> 00:32:21,090
What?
646
00:32:21,157 --> 00:32:22,791
We checked missing persons.
647
00:32:22,859 --> 00:32:24,126
Since he started killing,
648
00:32:24,194 --> 00:32:25,427
4 people have been reported missing
649
00:32:25,495 --> 00:32:26,728
in East Cleveland neighborhoods.
650
00:32:26,796 --> 00:32:28,764
We can't rule out any of
them as his possible victims.
651
00:32:28,832 --> 00:32:30,999
He marked pages on
several serial killers.
652
00:32:31,067 --> 00:32:32,801
We don't know which ones
he tried to copycat.
653
00:32:32,869 --> 00:32:33,936
We're screwed, then.
654
00:32:34,003 --> 00:32:35,771
The DA is gonna have
to offer him a deal.
655
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:37,706
The DA doesn't have to
give him the option.
656
00:32:37,774 --> 00:32:39,208
That's easy for you to say.
657
00:32:39,275 --> 00:32:40,776
You get to go home tomorrow.
658
00:32:40,844 --> 00:32:42,544
What do I tell the
families of the missing?
659
00:32:42,612 --> 00:32:43,745
Sorry, no idea?
660
00:32:43,813 --> 00:32:45,547
Detective, we're not gonna leave
661
00:32:45,615 --> 00:32:48,050
until we can give you and
the families some closure.
662
00:32:48,118 --> 00:32:49,551
And how are you gonna do that?
663
00:32:50,987 --> 00:32:52,054
Hotch. Reid.
664
00:32:52,122 --> 00:32:54,056
I need something, anything,
that might show
665
00:32:54,124 --> 00:32:56,325
where he was trolling
for more victims.
666
00:32:56,392 --> 00:32:57,559
Once the DA gets here,
667
00:32:57,627 --> 00:32:59,561
we have a lot to talk about.
668
00:32:59,629 --> 00:33:01,330
What do you think you're
gonna get out of this?
669
00:33:01,397 --> 00:33:03,565
I don't know.
670
00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:04,733
We'll see.
671
00:33:04,801 --> 00:33:06,401
You don't have to say
anything else, Eric.
672
00:33:06,469 --> 00:33:08,437
You got to speak to him.
673
00:33:08,505 --> 00:33:10,606
Now, let's just wait for the DA.
674
00:33:10,673 --> 00:33:12,407
I don't know how to
break it to you, kid,
675
00:33:12,475 --> 00:33:14,743
but you don't have a
card to play here.
676
00:33:14,811 --> 00:33:16,778
We're 3 steps ahead of you.
677
00:33:16,846 --> 00:33:18,780
Oh.
678
00:33:18,848 --> 00:33:20,082
Really.
679
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:22,584
We've already considered
the possibility
680
00:33:22,652 --> 00:33:24,586
that you killed other people.
681
00:33:24,654 --> 00:33:27,422
We knew you were young,
wanted to experiment.
682
00:33:27,490 --> 00:33:29,158
It was likely you would copycat
683
00:33:29,225 --> 00:33:31,160
as many serial killers as possible
684
00:33:31,227 --> 00:33:33,162
to figure out who you are
685
00:33:33,229 --> 00:33:36,098
and what you liked.
686
00:33:36,166 --> 00:33:39,268
So let me ask you a question.
687
00:33:39,335 --> 00:33:40,869
How do you know
688
00:33:40,937 --> 00:33:42,938
you haven't told me already
689
00:33:43,006 --> 00:33:45,641
where the other bodies are buried?
690
00:33:51,848 --> 00:33:53,348
We've been through everything.
691
00:33:53,416 --> 00:33:55,350
He marked up Rossi's books.
Check the bookcase.
692
00:33:55,418 --> 00:33:57,686
Maybe he was scouting for
locations to commit more murders.
693
00:34:00,523 --> 00:34:01,657
Pictures.
694
00:34:01,724 --> 00:34:02,858
What?
695
00:34:02,926 --> 00:34:05,360
Framed photographs in his hallway.
696
00:34:05,428 --> 00:34:06,895
Nothing else...
nothing else is framed.
697
00:34:06,963 --> 00:34:08,897
They look like originals.
Let me call you right back, Hotch.
698
00:34:08,965 --> 00:34:10,632
OK.
699
00:34:14,771 --> 00:34:18,073
I need to ask you
about your sex life.
700
00:34:18,141 --> 00:34:20,876
That's personal.
701
00:34:20,944 --> 00:34:22,644
Your boyfriend's a serial killer.
702
00:34:22,712 --> 00:34:25,581
Your relationship is
no longer private.
703
00:34:27,317 --> 00:34:30,152
It's completely normal
to experiment with sex.
704
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:33,088
OK. It might be normal to
have sex in a public park,
705
00:34:33,156 --> 00:34:34,856
but the other things?
706
00:34:34,924 --> 00:34:37,859
We were just role-playing.
707
00:34:37,927 --> 00:34:39,928
Every couple has fantasies.
708
00:34:39,996 --> 00:34:41,430
Did you ever think it was strange
709
00:34:41,497 --> 00:34:43,198
that your boyfriend has fantasies
710
00:34:43,266 --> 00:34:45,334
about strangling and raping women?
711
00:34:45,401 --> 00:34:47,703
Not women.
712
00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:50,105
Just me.
713
00:34:54,611 --> 00:34:57,913
Did he... kiss you
on the forehead, too?
714
00:35:00,950 --> 00:35:02,918
How did you know that?
715
00:35:02,986 --> 00:35:06,922
Now, were you sick much as a kid?
716
00:35:08,625 --> 00:35:12,327
I got strep throat
every flu season.
717
00:35:12,395 --> 00:35:14,830
Did you just profile that about me?
718
00:35:14,897 --> 00:35:16,732
Her name was Zoe Hawkes...
719
00:35:16,799 --> 00:35:19,468
the girl you killed 3 days ago.
720
00:35:19,535 --> 00:35:21,937
We found your DNA on her forehead.
721
00:35:22,005 --> 00:35:23,739
It'll never be admissible in court.
722
00:35:23,806 --> 00:35:26,074
Her body was removed from
a state facility and...
723
00:35:26,142 --> 00:35:28,744
Now, most people would
ask what you did.
724
00:35:28,811 --> 00:35:30,612
I know what you did.
725
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,914
You kissed her on the forehead.
726
00:35:32,982 --> 00:35:36,251
What I what to know is, why?
727
00:35:39,656 --> 00:35:42,624
Why do you think someone
would do that, Agent Rossi?
728
00:35:42,692 --> 00:35:46,028
Well, that's why I asked
if you had been ill much
729
00:35:46,095 --> 00:35:48,130
as a child.
730
00:35:48,197 --> 00:35:51,900
You see, you're slight,
pale, sickly.
731
00:35:51,968 --> 00:35:54,903
Most parents, they kiss their
children on the forehead
732
00:35:54,971 --> 00:35:57,439
to see if their
temperature is warm.
733
00:35:57,507 --> 00:36:00,442
Now, my theory is that you,
somehow in your development,
734
00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:05,247
warped that caring gesture
into something perverse.
735
00:36:07,784 --> 00:36:10,552
So, did you sit next to Zoe
736
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:14,323
to see if she got cold?
737
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:16,591
Is that why you kissed her?
738
00:36:16,659 --> 00:36:20,228
That's a really interesting theory.
739
00:36:20,296 --> 00:36:23,231
Make a great chapter
in one of your books.
740
00:36:26,602 --> 00:36:27,736
Yeah, Reid.
741
00:36:27,804 --> 00:36:29,071
I found pictures on his computer
742
00:36:29,138 --> 00:36:30,572
in a special folder he created.
743
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,240
They're scenic places in the city.
744
00:36:32,308 --> 00:36:34,910
3 of them I recognize
from his crime scenes.
745
00:36:34,977 --> 00:36:37,479
There are more pictures of
places I don't recognize.
746
00:36:37,547 --> 00:36:39,681
All right. Email them
as soon as you can.
747
00:36:39,749 --> 00:36:41,316
This guy's getting
off on those photos.
748
00:36:41,384 --> 00:36:43,685
Then what does he need Linda for?
749
00:36:43,753 --> 00:36:46,788
Did he have any other
strange preferences in bed?
750
00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:48,490
No.
751
00:36:48,558 --> 00:36:50,125
Did he ever role
play by tying you up?
752
00:36:50,193 --> 00:36:51,827
No.
753
00:36:51,894 --> 00:36:53,195
Are you sure?
754
00:36:53,262 --> 00:36:54,563
Yes.
755
00:36:55,765 --> 00:36:58,033
I'm sure.
756
00:36:59,769 --> 00:37:02,137
He liked... he liked
being an exhibitionist.
757
00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:06,975
It was really the only
way he could get excited.
758
00:37:07,043 --> 00:37:09,077
What do you mean?
759
00:37:09,145 --> 00:37:11,179
Well, he didn't... like...
760
00:37:11,247 --> 00:37:13,548
having sex in bed.
761
00:37:13,616 --> 00:37:17,753
So he just took me
to public places.
762
00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:19,087
Where?
763
00:37:21,557 --> 00:37:24,059
Do I have to tell you this?
764
00:37:24,127 --> 00:37:25,227
Please.
765
00:37:25,294 --> 00:37:27,062
OK.
766
00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:29,231
Um...
767
00:37:29,298 --> 00:37:31,867
The first time was...
768
00:37:31,934 --> 00:37:33,769
at Kingsbury Park.
769
00:37:34,971 --> 00:37:37,105
And then...
770
00:37:37,173 --> 00:37:38,740
at a movie theater.
771
00:37:38,808 --> 00:37:40,776
In the parking lot, in my car.
772
00:37:42,745 --> 00:37:45,380
Did he ever take you to
the Second Street Bridge,
773
00:37:45,448 --> 00:37:47,783
off the bike path?
774
00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:49,384
Yeah.
775
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,921
That's where the jogger was killed.
776
00:37:52,989 --> 00:37:55,724
He can only have sex with Linda
when he's revisiting his crimes.
777
00:37:55,792 --> 00:37:57,192
If that's the case,
what were they doing in the park
778
00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:58,260
where we picked them up?
779
00:38:03,933 --> 00:38:05,734
I need you to write down for me
780
00:38:05,802 --> 00:38:08,370
all the places he
took you to have sex.
781
00:38:17,780 --> 00:38:20,949
The DA's not gonna need to
negotiate a deal with you.
782
00:38:29,459 --> 00:38:31,893
Cedar Park, Edgewater Channel,
783
00:38:31,961 --> 00:38:36,097
Cuyahoga Valley Park, Euclid Creek.
784
00:38:38,067 --> 00:38:40,836
We'll send units in the morning
to search for the bodies.
785
00:38:44,073 --> 00:38:45,540
How'd you find out?
786
00:38:45,608 --> 00:38:46,541
Eric.
787
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:48,643
Is it something that I did?
788
00:38:48,711 --> 00:38:51,513
You needed to revisit
the crime scenes
789
00:38:51,581 --> 00:38:53,181
because it was the only way
790
00:38:53,249 --> 00:38:55,484
for you to get a
gratifying sexual release.
791
00:38:57,353 --> 00:39:00,088
But revisiting the
scenes wasn't enough.
792
00:39:00,156 --> 00:39:03,792
You had to capture it on film,
put it on your computer,
793
00:39:03,860 --> 00:39:06,328
display it on your wall,
794
00:39:06,395 --> 00:39:09,431
so you could look at it every day.
795
00:39:10,766 --> 00:39:12,868
Eric, we should talk privately.
796
00:39:12,935 --> 00:39:15,003
This isn't over.
797
00:39:19,809 --> 00:39:22,611
I always knew I'd end
up back in prison.
798
00:39:22,678 --> 00:39:24,813
Just a matter of when.
799
00:39:24,881 --> 00:39:28,450
You can come interview me,
if you want.
800
00:39:28,518 --> 00:39:30,252
I read in one of your books
801
00:39:30,319 --> 00:39:32,420
that's how you built your
behavioral database, right?
802
00:39:32,488 --> 00:39:35,423
Maybe you can learn
something from me.
803
00:39:38,327 --> 00:39:40,929
I got a lot of questions myself.
804
00:39:42,632 --> 00:39:45,934
I'll be honest with you,
if you're honest with me.
805
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:49,871
'Cause the one thing
that you always ask
806
00:39:49,939 --> 00:39:52,140
is the one that I don't understand.
807
00:39:53,543 --> 00:39:55,644
Why?
808
00:39:56,913 --> 00:39:58,947
I have no idea why.
809
00:40:00,683 --> 00:40:02,551
I see a guy walking
down the street,
810
00:40:02,618 --> 00:40:04,920
with a stupid look on his face,
811
00:40:04,987 --> 00:40:09,157
and I want to bash him over
the head with a bottle.
812
00:40:09,225 --> 00:40:11,192
To me, that's normal.
813
00:40:12,962 --> 00:40:16,431
It's weird to me that no
one else feels that way.
814
00:40:18,734 --> 00:40:21,236
It's all I think about.
815
00:40:21,304 --> 00:40:24,205
I can't stop.
816
00:40:52,134 --> 00:40:54,269
This is not up for debate.
817
00:40:54,337 --> 00:40:57,072
Cancel the rest of the dates.
818
00:40:57,139 --> 00:40:59,507
Is everything OK?
819
00:40:59,575 --> 00:41:02,577
Why do people want to hear
me talk about serial killers?
820
00:41:02,645 --> 00:41:03,912
Is it that entertaining?
821
00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:06,381
There's a public
fascination with them.
822
00:41:06,449 --> 00:41:08,383
Sometimes I wonder if my books
823
00:41:08,451 --> 00:41:10,051
are doing more harm than good.
824
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:11,920
My senior year at Georgetown...
825
00:41:11,988 --> 00:41:14,522
I was graduating,
I did not have a clue
826
00:41:14,590 --> 00:41:16,558
what I was gonna do with my life.
827
00:41:16,626 --> 00:41:19,094
And one day, I was in
the campus bookstore
828
00:41:19,161 --> 00:41:20,695
and you were there,
829
00:41:20,763 --> 00:41:22,931
promoting your second book.
830
00:41:22,999 --> 00:41:25,233
Sat through your whole talk.
831
00:41:25,301 --> 00:41:27,702
You never told me.
832
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:30,105
I asked you what it was
you were most proud of,
833
00:41:30,172 --> 00:41:34,142
and you showed us a picture
of a boy from Charleston.
834
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:35,944
Brent Roberts.
835
00:41:36,012 --> 00:41:37,412
A neighbor took him.
836
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,780
He was found alive.
837
00:41:38,848 --> 00:41:40,415
One of the few.
838
00:41:42,151 --> 00:41:44,219
That night, I bought your book.
839
00:41:44,286 --> 00:41:47,155
Applied to the academy
the next fall.
840
00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:53,595
I'll see you at the airport.
841
00:42:01,671 --> 00:42:03,405
Austrian novelist
842
00:42:06,142 --> 00:42:07,842
"In youth we learn.
843
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:10,478
In age we understand."
844
00:42:10,546 --> 00:42:15,717
What is goin' on?
845
00:42:20,156 --> 00:42:22,557
I hear you caught him.
846
00:42:25,628 --> 00:42:26,728
We did.
847
00:42:27,997 --> 00:42:30,131
Is he going to prison?
848
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,667
For the rest of his life.
849
00:42:35,838 --> 00:42:38,039
It doesn't make me feel better.
850
00:42:38,107 --> 00:42:41,209
He's alive, Zoe's not.
851
00:42:43,279 --> 00:42:46,347
But she'd be pleased
that you caught him.
852
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,287
I hope so.
61943
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