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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,736 --> 00:00:05,104 "Dahmer, Lake and Ng, 2 00:00:05,171 --> 00:00:08,374 "Debardeleben, Bardella, and others. 3 00:00:08,441 --> 00:00:11,677 "At the core of these criminals is a need for control. 4 00:00:11,745 --> 00:00:14,179 "Killing was an act that provided a release, 5 00:00:14,247 --> 00:00:16,548 "so sexually satisfying, 6 00:00:16,616 --> 00:00:18,350 "that they were compelled to repeat the fantasy, 7 00:00:18,418 --> 00:00:22,054 "with multiple victims, again and again. 8 00:00:22,122 --> 00:00:25,591 "It is this continuum of violence that we will explore 9 00:00:27,994 --> 00:00:32,197 The Secret Desires of Sadistic Serial Killers. 10 00:00:38,772 --> 00:00:41,874 Signed copies of Agent David Rossi's 11 00:00:41,941 --> 00:00:43,876 10th anniversary edition of his bestseller 12 00:00:43,943 --> 00:00:45,778 are on sale tonight. 13 00:00:45,845 --> 00:00:48,080 I find your career so fascinating. 14 00:00:48,148 --> 00:00:49,982 What's it like to interview serial killers? 15 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:52,117 Well, it's never boring. 16 00:00:52,185 --> 00:00:53,719 Is that what you enjoy most about your work, 17 00:00:53,787 --> 00:00:55,220 looking evil right in the eye? 18 00:00:55,288 --> 00:00:57,756 No, it's putting killers in jail. 19 00:00:57,824 --> 00:01:00,726 You know what gets me are the wives who swear they had no clue 20 00:01:00,794 --> 00:01:02,494 their husband was a serial killer. 21 00:01:02,562 --> 00:01:04,463 How can you be married to one and not know? 22 00:01:04,531 --> 00:01:06,331 Theresa, would you mind calling up my car service? 23 00:01:06,399 --> 00:01:07,599 Not at all. 24 00:01:07,667 --> 00:01:08,667 Uh, you'll excuse me? 25 00:01:08,735 --> 00:01:09,668 Sure. 26 00:01:09,736 --> 00:01:11,637 Agent Rossi. 27 00:01:11,704 --> 00:01:13,005 Hi, um... 28 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:14,006 Hi. 29 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:16,275 Hi. I'm a big fan. 30 00:01:16,342 --> 00:01:18,510 There's not gonna be a quiz. I saw you taking notes. 31 00:01:18,578 --> 00:01:20,512 Oh, no, it's just for my own edification. 32 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:23,148 Agent Rossi, are you, or anyone in your department, 33 00:01:23,216 --> 00:01:26,185 investigating the recent spike in homicides in Cleveland? 34 00:01:26,252 --> 00:01:27,853 Not that I'm aware of. 35 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:29,521 There's been an uptick in homicides 36 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:33,826 by 11% this quarter. The average uptick hasn't surpassed 5% 37 00:01:33,893 --> 00:01:35,360 in the past 10 years in Cleveland. 38 00:01:35,428 --> 00:01:36,962 I'm guessing you're studying criminology. 39 00:01:37,030 --> 00:01:39,731 I am. 40 00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:42,501 Sir, I think there's a serial killer here. 41 00:01:42,569 --> 00:01:44,837 Well, have the police issued a statement 42 00:01:44,904 --> 00:01:46,572 to corroborate that? 43 00:01:46,639 --> 00:01:47,873 I filed an inquiry downtown. 44 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:49,508 Um, nobody's called me back. 45 00:01:49,576 --> 00:01:51,610 But, um, I know that the coroner's office 46 00:01:51,678 --> 00:01:53,045 hasn't been as busy since, like, 47 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:55,514 the Butcher of Kingsbury Run in the 1930s. 48 00:01:55,582 --> 00:01:58,183 Well, what kind of homicides are we talking about here? 49 00:01:58,251 --> 00:01:59,918 Ok, um... a man was shot in a park, 50 00:01:59,986 --> 00:02:02,321 a prostitute was found with her throat slashed, 51 00:02:02,388 --> 00:02:05,124 a couple was found shot in their car, 52 00:02:05,191 --> 00:02:07,259 a woman was killed in a burglary. 53 00:02:07,327 --> 00:02:11,263 Do you know what 3 things profilers look at to link serial crimes? 54 00:02:11,331 --> 00:02:13,499 Victimology, modus operandi, and signature. 55 00:02:13,566 --> 00:02:15,334 Good. So were the victims similar? 56 00:02:15,401 --> 00:02:16,368 No. 57 00:02:16,436 --> 00:02:17,669 Was the MO consistent? 58 00:02:17,737 --> 00:02:18,670 No. 59 00:02:18,738 --> 00:02:20,172 Was the signature consistent? 60 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,173 Not that I know of. 61 00:02:21,241 --> 00:02:22,841 Then there's no obvious reason 62 00:02:22,909 --> 00:02:27,045 to suggest that the spike in violence was due to a serial killer. 63 00:02:27,113 --> 00:02:29,214 I see your point, sir, but I really... 64 00:02:29,282 --> 00:02:31,517 You're bright. You obviously have a passion for this, 65 00:02:31,584 --> 00:02:33,519 and the bureau is always looking for good people. 66 00:02:33,586 --> 00:02:35,521 So, if you get a reply from the police, 67 00:02:35,588 --> 00:02:37,422 or even for career advice, 68 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:39,191 I'm available. 69 00:02:40,894 --> 00:02:45,097 OK, thanks. It was an honor to meet you. 70 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:47,332 Keep studying, and don't stop 71 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,968 until you find all the answers you're looking for. 72 00:02:50,036 --> 00:02:51,770 I won't. 73 00:04:10,883 --> 00:04:13,252 Excuse me. 74 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:14,953 Get back! 75 00:04:15,021 --> 00:04:16,255 It's OK. Get back! 76 00:04:16,322 --> 00:04:17,823 Uh... oh, hey, it's OK. It's OK. 77 00:04:17,890 --> 00:04:19,458 Look, I'm not gonna hurt you, OK? 78 00:04:19,525 --> 00:04:20,792 I live in the neighborhood. 79 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:22,594 What's your address? 80 00:04:22,662 --> 00:04:26,331 817 Tivoli. It's right down that way. 81 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:27,666 Look, if I was gonna hurt you, 82 00:04:27,734 --> 00:04:30,168 I wouldn't have said, "Excuse me." OK? 83 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:33,538 Are we cool? 84 00:04:36,909 --> 00:04:40,012 What the hell, man? You scared me. 85 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:42,447 I'm... I'm sorry. 86 00:04:42,515 --> 00:04:45,117 What are you doing here? 87 00:04:45,184 --> 00:04:47,019 I was just walking home from the liquor store 88 00:04:47,086 --> 00:04:48,553 and I saw you snooping around. 89 00:04:48,621 --> 00:04:49,855 What about you? 90 00:04:49,922 --> 00:04:51,890 So you heard what happened here? 91 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:54,693 Yeah. 92 00:04:54,761 --> 00:04:56,361 Poor woman. 93 00:04:56,429 --> 00:04:58,196 All the neighbors are freaking out. 94 00:04:58,264 --> 00:05:00,332 I can't believe I didn't even know her name. 95 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,134 Kayla James. 96 00:05:02,201 --> 00:05:04,503 She was raped, too. 97 00:05:04,570 --> 00:05:07,773 Can't believe this happened on my street. 98 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:09,508 No, it's not just your street. 99 00:05:09,575 --> 00:05:11,710 There's been a lot of murders lately. 100 00:05:12,779 --> 00:05:14,146 Really? 101 00:05:14,213 --> 00:05:17,816 Yeah, it's uncharacteristically high for our city. 102 00:05:19,552 --> 00:05:21,520 You with the police or something? 103 00:05:21,587 --> 00:05:24,189 I'm just investigating a few cases. 104 00:05:25,391 --> 00:05:27,392 Gosh, all of a sudden, 105 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:30,295 all these random, violent murders. 106 00:05:30,363 --> 00:05:32,831 Something weird is going on here. 107 00:05:32,899 --> 00:05:35,334 What do you mean by weird? 108 00:05:48,681 --> 00:05:50,449 Agent Rossi. 109 00:05:51,584 --> 00:05:53,085 Yes. 110 00:05:55,321 --> 00:05:57,055 I'll be right down. 111 00:06:03,663 --> 00:06:04,629 Agent Rossi? 112 00:06:06,299 --> 00:06:08,266 I'm Detective Dan Brady. 113 00:06:08,334 --> 00:06:11,603 We found your card on the victim. 114 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:18,443 Any idea what happened here? 115 00:06:59,246 --> 00:07:01,380 "I never teach my pupils, 116 00:07:01,448 --> 00:07:03,983 I only attempt to provide the conditions 117 00:07:04,051 --> 00:07:05,818 in which they can learn." 118 00:07:05,886 --> 00:07:07,853 Albert Einstein. 119 00:07:10,123 --> 00:07:12,558 She was found by a woman walking her dog this morning. 120 00:07:12,626 --> 00:07:14,060 Dog wouldn't stop barking. 121 00:07:14,127 --> 00:07:16,462 I just talked to her last night. 122 00:07:16,530 --> 00:07:18,864 I never asked her name. 123 00:07:18,932 --> 00:07:20,366 Zoe Hawkes. 124 00:07:20,434 --> 00:07:22,234 That's her car right there. 125 00:07:22,302 --> 00:07:23,869 These keys were still in her pocket. 126 00:07:23,937 --> 00:07:26,272 Car alarm was still activated. There was no sign of a break-in. 127 00:07:26,340 --> 00:07:28,507 She had pepper spray but didn't use it? 128 00:07:28,575 --> 00:07:31,010 I don't know, maybe she didn't get the chance. 129 00:07:31,078 --> 00:07:32,878 Nobody saw or heard anything? 130 00:07:32,946 --> 00:07:35,114 No. We went door to door. There were no witnesses. 131 00:07:35,182 --> 00:07:36,716 There was blunt-force trauma to her head, 132 00:07:36,783 --> 00:07:38,017 signs of strangulation. 133 00:07:38,085 --> 00:07:39,552 Murderer asphyxiated her 134 00:07:39,620 --> 00:07:41,387 with the scarf she was wearing. 135 00:07:41,455 --> 00:07:43,055 Do you have any idea what she was doing 136 00:07:43,123 --> 00:07:44,557 snooping around this case? 137 00:07:44,625 --> 00:07:47,526 You keep talking like I know something. What case? 138 00:07:47,594 --> 00:07:49,528 The resident of this house, Kayla James, 139 00:07:49,596 --> 00:07:52,231 was murdered and raped 3 days ago, in a burglary-homicide. 140 00:07:52,299 --> 00:07:54,233 I think there's a serial killer here. 141 00:07:54,301 --> 00:07:57,203 And don't stop until you find all the answers you're looking for. 142 00:07:57,270 --> 00:07:58,437 I won't. 143 00:08:01,041 --> 00:08:03,576 This is Henry wearing the booties my mom knitted him. 144 00:08:03,644 --> 00:08:05,244 I can't get over his cuteness. 145 00:08:06,747 --> 00:08:10,449 Oh, and this is him wearing the customized leather jacket 146 00:08:10,517 --> 00:08:12,685 auntie Penelope got him. 147 00:08:12,753 --> 00:08:14,453 When he grows up, he's gonna be a rebel. 148 00:08:15,756 --> 00:08:17,056 Is this David Rossi, 149 00:08:17,124 --> 00:08:20,126 the famous bestselling author, David Rossi? 150 00:08:20,193 --> 00:08:21,694 What are you doing? You're not supposed to be calling 151 00:08:21,762 --> 00:08:22,862 when you're on annual leave. 152 00:08:22,929 --> 00:08:24,463 I think my AL just ended. 153 00:08:24,531 --> 00:08:25,698 What do you mean? 154 00:08:25,766 --> 00:08:27,533 Garcia, Cleveland Police is sending you some files. 155 00:08:27,601 --> 00:08:30,770 Get JJ to distribute them to the team right away. 156 00:08:30,837 --> 00:08:32,271 Yeah. What are we looking at? 157 00:08:32,339 --> 00:08:34,573 I don't know yet. Just see if the team 158 00:08:34,641 --> 00:08:36,709 can find a connection with these crimes. 159 00:08:36,777 --> 00:08:38,210 I'll call you back in a few hours. 160 00:08:38,278 --> 00:08:39,211 Yes, sir. 161 00:08:41,181 --> 00:08:43,049 She had a notebook with her last night. 162 00:08:43,116 --> 00:08:44,483 I saw one in her car. 163 00:08:44,551 --> 00:08:45,885 Can I take a look? 164 00:08:45,952 --> 00:08:48,387 It may be evidence, but I don't see why not. 165 00:08:48,455 --> 00:08:50,222 Have you been to her house yet? 166 00:08:50,290 --> 00:08:51,991 I'm headed there now. 167 00:08:52,059 --> 00:08:54,393 I have to notify the next of kin. 168 00:08:56,463 --> 00:08:58,798 Now, if you get a reply from the police, 169 00:08:58,865 --> 00:09:00,833 or even for career advice, 170 00:09:00,901 --> 00:09:02,168 I'm available. 171 00:09:02,235 --> 00:09:03,169 Thanks. 172 00:09:03,236 --> 00:09:05,204 It was an honor to meet you. 173 00:09:15,916 --> 00:09:16,849 Sheila Hawkes? 174 00:09:16,917 --> 00:09:17,850 Yeah. 175 00:09:17,918 --> 00:09:19,051 Hi. I'm, uh, 176 00:09:19,119 --> 00:09:20,853 Detective Brady with the Cleveland Police Department. 177 00:09:20,921 --> 00:09:22,888 This is Agent Rossi, with the FBI. 178 00:09:22,956 --> 00:09:23,989 May we come in? 179 00:09:24,057 --> 00:09:24,990 Why? 180 00:09:25,058 --> 00:09:26,392 It's about your daughter. 181 00:09:27,894 --> 00:09:30,529 That... that's... that's one of her journals. 182 00:09:30,597 --> 00:09:31,831 Has something happened? 183 00:09:33,333 --> 00:09:35,101 Yes. 184 00:09:35,168 --> 00:09:36,936 She was murdered. 185 00:09:39,072 --> 00:09:40,639 I am so sorry. 186 00:09:40,707 --> 00:09:41,640 Mrs. Hawkes. 187 00:09:41,708 --> 00:09:42,875 Here, let me help you. 188 00:09:42,943 --> 00:09:44,677 Oh, no! 189 00:09:44,745 --> 00:09:47,813 No! 190 00:09:47,881 --> 00:09:50,149 Where did you find her? 191 00:09:50,217 --> 00:09:52,885 She was in a house in East Cleveland. 192 00:09:52,953 --> 00:09:56,555 We think she may have been visiting a crime scene. 193 00:09:56,623 --> 00:09:59,058 God... 194 00:09:59,126 --> 00:10:01,894 I told her to stop doing that. 195 00:10:01,962 --> 00:10:03,529 I told her that was too dangerous. 196 00:10:05,465 --> 00:10:07,333 Where... where is she now? 197 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,901 She's at the coroner's office, 198 00:10:08,969 --> 00:10:10,870 and I can take you to see her when you're ready. 199 00:10:10,937 --> 00:10:11,904 OK. Now. 200 00:10:11,972 --> 00:10:14,073 Right now. I have to go right now. 201 00:10:14,141 --> 00:10:17,243 Mrs. Hawkes, would you mind if I stayed behind 202 00:10:17,310 --> 00:10:18,744 to look in her room? 203 00:10:25,952 --> 00:10:28,254 She was so excited to meet you. 204 00:10:28,321 --> 00:10:29,922 You're like a... 205 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:31,757 a hero to her. 206 00:10:35,996 --> 00:10:36,929 Mrs. Hawkes. 207 00:10:36,997 --> 00:10:39,532 Let me take you downtown now. 208 00:10:43,436 --> 00:10:44,904 Come on. 209 00:10:46,540 --> 00:10:49,074 I'll, uh, I'll send a car for you. 210 00:11:36,523 --> 00:11:38,657 The crimes are within a 7-mile radius. 211 00:11:38,725 --> 00:11:40,092 Well, that's something. 212 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,760 Yeah, but the neighborhoods are all completely different. 213 00:11:41,828 --> 00:11:43,762 They range from poor to rich, industrial to residential. 214 00:11:43,830 --> 00:11:45,764 The physical locations are dissimilar, 215 00:11:45,832 --> 00:11:47,266 but the operating zone's well-defined. 216 00:11:47,334 --> 00:11:49,001 OK. I'm in. 217 00:11:49,069 --> 00:11:50,436 I see you. 218 00:11:50,503 --> 00:11:53,005 In your web browser for search history. 219 00:11:53,073 --> 00:11:54,340 Check out her home page. 220 00:11:54,407 --> 00:11:55,941 All right, so the first thing she looks at 221 00:11:56,009 --> 00:11:58,077 when she opens her computer is a crime column. 222 00:11:58,144 --> 00:11:59,645 Probably to stay current on her studies. 223 00:11:59,713 --> 00:12:02,248 Can you see what she worked on last? 224 00:12:02,315 --> 00:12:03,649 Voila. 225 00:12:03,717 --> 00:12:06,085 These are the most recently opened documents she created. 226 00:12:06,152 --> 00:12:07,453 Looks like she was compiling 227 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,489 empirical data about homicide trends in Cleveland. 228 00:12:10,557 --> 00:12:12,992 Do you think she knew the killer? 229 00:12:13,059 --> 00:12:14,193 I don't see any notes indicating suspects. 230 00:12:14,261 --> 00:12:16,362 Well, Dave, she's a criminology student. 231 00:12:16,429 --> 00:12:17,963 She's been taught to analyze statistics 232 00:12:18,031 --> 00:12:20,366 and apply theory, not investigate killers. 233 00:12:20,433 --> 00:12:22,067 Let's talk about what we know. 234 00:12:22,135 --> 00:12:25,137 All right. Victim one... Travis Bartlett was last seen 235 00:12:25,205 --> 00:12:28,307 at a gay bar. He was shot at night, in a park. 236 00:12:28,375 --> 00:12:31,176 Victim 2, Lily Nicks, a 34-year-old prostitute, 237 00:12:31,244 --> 00:12:33,412 her throat was slashed. 238 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,880 Victims 3 and 4, 239 00:12:34,948 --> 00:12:36,482 June Appleby and Troy Wertsler, 240 00:12:36,549 --> 00:12:38,083 were shot in their car at a parking lot 241 00:12:38,151 --> 00:12:40,386 outside of a movie theater. 242 00:12:40,453 --> 00:12:43,022 And victim 5 was a 28-year-old single woman, 243 00:12:43,089 --> 00:12:45,858 Kayla James, killed in her home. 244 00:12:45,926 --> 00:12:48,794 She was bound, suffocated, with a bag over her head, 245 00:12:48,862 --> 00:12:49,929 evidence of rape. 246 00:12:49,996 --> 00:12:52,097 And then the sixth victim was Zoe. 247 00:12:52,165 --> 00:12:54,533 Victimology, weapons used, and COD. 248 00:12:54,601 --> 00:12:55,935 Are all different. 249 00:12:56,002 --> 00:12:58,337 It's hard to imagine it's even the same unsub. 250 00:12:58,405 --> 00:12:59,705 It can't be a coincidence 251 00:12:59,773 --> 00:13:02,041 that Zoe goes to Kayla James' house and gets murdered. 252 00:13:02,108 --> 00:13:04,143 All right, let's say it is the same killer. 253 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:05,411 Does anybody see a pattern? 254 00:13:05,478 --> 00:13:07,146 Well, maybe. 255 00:13:07,213 --> 00:13:10,316 OK, in the first crime, he shoots the victim. 256 00:13:10,383 --> 00:13:13,085 The second crime, he rapes a woman and slashes her throat. 257 00:13:13,153 --> 00:13:14,253 That's more personal. 258 00:13:14,321 --> 00:13:16,922 And the third crime, he escalates 259 00:13:16,990 --> 00:13:18,057 to killing two people, 260 00:13:18,124 --> 00:13:19,558 and the fourth, he escalates even more 261 00:13:19,626 --> 00:13:22,328 by raping a woman, binding her, and suffocating her. 262 00:13:22,395 --> 00:13:24,029 So if it is the same unsub, 263 00:13:24,097 --> 00:13:26,565 you could argue that there's a progression of violence with every kill. 264 00:13:26,633 --> 00:13:28,867 It could be an anger excitation offender, 265 00:13:28,935 --> 00:13:30,869 getting more daring with each crime. 266 00:13:30,937 --> 00:13:32,538 I think I got something here. 267 00:13:32,605 --> 00:13:34,373 Look at this. 268 00:13:34,441 --> 00:13:37,176 The slashes in the prostitute's throat... 269 00:13:37,243 --> 00:13:39,578 they're all shallow, unsure cuts. 270 00:13:39,646 --> 00:13:42,748 The Kayla James crime scene... 271 00:13:42,816 --> 00:13:45,851 telephone cord, rope, and duct tape were used. 272 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:48,554 It's like he couldn't decide how to bind her. 273 00:13:48,621 --> 00:13:50,089 So, without a gun, 274 00:13:50,156 --> 00:13:52,091 he's sloppy, inexperienced. 275 00:13:52,158 --> 00:13:54,626 The young couple shot in the car... 276 00:13:54,694 --> 00:13:57,396 That crime scene remind you of anything? 277 00:13:57,464 --> 00:13:59,832 Yeah, they were shot with a .44 bulldog, 278 00:13:59,899 --> 00:14:01,367 just like the Son of Sam used on his victims, 279 00:14:01,434 --> 00:14:05,571 which were also young couples in parked cars. 280 00:14:05,638 --> 00:14:07,973 It might be nothing, but you're right, there is a parallel there. 281 00:14:08,041 --> 00:14:11,076 With the second victim, it's hard not to think of Jack the Ripper. 282 00:14:11,144 --> 00:14:15,147 The obvious similarity being, it's a prostitute, whose throat was slashed. 283 00:14:15,215 --> 00:14:19,151 Kayla James was bound, tortured, raped, 284 00:14:19,219 --> 00:14:21,653 with a plastic bag over her head like, BTK. 285 00:14:25,625 --> 00:14:27,059 What about victim number one? 286 00:14:27,127 --> 00:14:29,395 Garcia, what neighborhood was he found in? 287 00:14:29,462 --> 00:14:32,431 At a park in the Kingsbury Run area. 288 00:14:32,499 --> 00:14:34,066 Zoe reminded me last night 289 00:14:34,134 --> 00:14:37,069 that Cleveland's most famous serial killer 290 00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:39,171 was the Butcher of Kingsbury Run. 291 00:14:39,239 --> 00:14:42,474 He found his victims in gay bars, shot them, 292 00:14:42,542 --> 00:14:44,777 and dumped their body there. 293 00:14:44,844 --> 00:14:48,347 Travis Bartlett was last seen at a gay bar, 294 00:14:48,415 --> 00:14:51,150 and his body was found in Kingsbury Park. 295 00:14:53,086 --> 00:14:56,588 So these are copycats of famous serial killers? 296 00:14:56,656 --> 00:15:00,292 He's a serial killer studying serial killers. 297 00:15:03,897 --> 00:15:05,798 See you in Cleveland, Dave. 298 00:15:49,943 --> 00:15:51,477 Hey, Dave. Guys. 299 00:15:51,544 --> 00:15:53,612 We're in that room. Coffee's brewing. 300 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,314 We'll get started on the evidence boards. 301 00:15:55,381 --> 00:15:57,116 Detective Brady's our point. 302 00:15:57,183 --> 00:15:59,785 I'll let you all introduce yourselves. 303 00:15:59,853 --> 00:16:01,520 JJ. 304 00:16:01,588 --> 00:16:03,188 Can you help me out with something? 305 00:16:03,256 --> 00:16:04,623 Sure. 306 00:16:06,893 --> 00:16:08,727 This has to be confidential. 307 00:16:10,597 --> 00:16:12,131 I know it may seem farfetched, 308 00:16:12,198 --> 00:16:14,333 but copycat killers are not entirely uncommon. 309 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,568 This one happens to be copying several different killers. 310 00:16:16,636 --> 00:16:18,237 But if he's trying to be the Butcher of Kingsbury Run, 311 00:16:18,304 --> 00:16:19,738 why didn't he cut up and mutilate the victims, 312 00:16:19,806 --> 00:16:20,806 like the real guy? 313 00:16:20,874 --> 00:16:21,940 That was 7 weeks ago. 314 00:16:22,008 --> 00:16:23,308 He was just getting started. 315 00:16:23,376 --> 00:16:26,178 Beginning killers are often frightened of the crime itself. 316 00:16:26,246 --> 00:16:28,847 They're more interested in getting it over with as quickly as possible 317 00:16:28,915 --> 00:16:30,182 and fleeing the scene. 318 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:31,683 He was just using the Butcher's ruse 319 00:16:31,751 --> 00:16:33,552 as a way to lure the victim to be alone with him. 320 00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:35,921 And by the time he killed Kayla James, 3 days ago, 321 00:16:35,989 --> 00:16:37,189 he'd progressed. He came very close 322 00:16:37,257 --> 00:16:39,324 to copying all of the BTK's MO. 323 00:16:39,392 --> 00:16:41,326 He's reading, learning, borrowing from others, 324 00:16:41,394 --> 00:16:43,562 because he doesn't know who he is yet. 325 00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:45,364 And because of this, we think he's young and impressionable, 326 00:16:45,431 --> 00:16:46,598 maybe even a student. 327 00:16:46,666 --> 00:16:48,700 Someone probably enrolled in criminology classes. 328 00:16:48,768 --> 00:16:50,536 Our technical analyst is going through names 329 00:16:50,603 --> 00:16:52,037 of local students right now. 330 00:16:52,105 --> 00:16:53,872 Up to this point, changing his MO 331 00:16:53,940 --> 00:16:55,941 has prevented investigators from linking the crimes. 332 00:16:56,009 --> 00:16:57,376 That's why we need to work quickly. 333 00:16:57,443 --> 00:16:58,710 You're sure about this? 334 00:16:58,778 --> 00:17:00,379 It's not a coincidence that all of these 335 00:17:00,446 --> 00:17:02,714 random, violent murders, in a localized area, 336 00:17:02,782 --> 00:17:04,550 are copycats of serial killers. 337 00:17:04,617 --> 00:17:06,218 It's as if all the worst serial killers 338 00:17:06,286 --> 00:17:08,921 have converged on Cleveland. Every time he plans to kill, 339 00:17:08,988 --> 00:17:12,591 the murder weapon, the MO, and the victimology will all change. 340 00:17:40,987 --> 00:17:42,754 Detective, will you let your team know 341 00:17:42,822 --> 00:17:44,656 we're ready to give a preliminary profile. 342 00:17:44,724 --> 00:17:46,558 Sure. I gotta go. 343 00:17:46,626 --> 00:17:48,894 Hotch. I'm gonna step out for this one, 344 00:17:48,962 --> 00:17:50,062 clear my head. 345 00:17:50,129 --> 00:17:51,663 OK. 346 00:17:52,832 --> 00:17:54,633 Garcia found 3 male students 347 00:17:54,701 --> 00:17:56,802 enrolled in criminology classes with felony records. 348 00:17:56,869 --> 00:17:58,170 Good. We'll interview them. 349 00:17:58,238 --> 00:17:59,471 I don't think we need to. 350 00:17:59,539 --> 00:18:00,806 One of them is studying abroad, 351 00:18:00,873 --> 00:18:02,774 the other 2 are back in jail on other charges. 352 00:18:02,842 --> 00:18:04,810 Tell Garcia to check enrollment 353 00:18:04,877 --> 00:18:06,478 in online and correspondence courses, 354 00:18:06,546 --> 00:18:09,314 see if we have any luck with those parameters. 355 00:18:13,386 --> 00:18:16,288 You guys handle the profile? 356 00:18:16,356 --> 00:18:17,623 Yeah. Everything OK? 357 00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:19,524 Everything's fine. 358 00:18:19,592 --> 00:18:22,961 We have 6 homicides in a 7-mile radius in East Cleveland. 359 00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:24,496 Now, this small zone indicates 360 00:18:24,564 --> 00:18:26,498 that's he's a geographically stable offender. 361 00:18:26,566 --> 00:18:29,368 This type of offender is characterized as young, 362 00:18:29,435 --> 00:18:31,470 socially immature, of average intelligence, 363 00:18:31,537 --> 00:18:33,538 with psychopathic personality traits. 364 00:18:33,606 --> 00:18:36,208 They also usually live alone and have an antisocial nature. 365 00:18:36,276 --> 00:18:39,645 A serial killer's first murder is very telling. 366 00:18:39,712 --> 00:18:41,446 This unsub's first murder, he chose the MO 367 00:18:41,514 --> 00:18:43,682 of Cleveland's own Butcher of Kingsbury Run. 368 00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:45,150 The Butcher isn't as well known 369 00:18:45,218 --> 00:18:46,985 as other famous serial killers, 370 00:18:47,053 --> 00:18:48,453 but he is a local legend. 371 00:18:48,521 --> 00:18:50,355 And because he picked the Butcher to be first, 372 00:18:50,423 --> 00:18:52,090 we believe he's a native of Cleveland 373 00:18:52,158 --> 00:18:54,059 and probably grew up hearing stories of the Butcher. 374 00:18:54,127 --> 00:18:57,095 This is someone who is obsessed with serial killers. 375 00:18:57,163 --> 00:18:58,964 His computer will be filled with research on them. 376 00:18:59,032 --> 00:19:01,099 He'll have abundant images of murderers on his computer 377 00:19:01,167 --> 00:19:02,834 and possibly even snuff films. 378 00:19:02,902 --> 00:19:04,970 He uses these like pornography. 379 00:19:05,038 --> 00:19:08,607 They provide some sort of sexual release. 380 00:19:23,589 --> 00:19:26,992 I think he went back to relive his crime. 381 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:29,828 When Zoe showed up, she became a victim of opportunity. 382 00:19:29,896 --> 00:19:32,731 It's the same theory we arrived at on the plane. 383 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,333 He strangled her with her own scarf. 384 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,903 He didn't plan it. I think she surprised him. 385 00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:41,073 I told her not to stop until she found the answers 386 00:19:41,140 --> 00:19:43,675 she was looking for. 387 00:19:43,743 --> 00:19:46,378 I didn't think she would go to a crime scene. 388 00:19:46,446 --> 00:19:48,513 Her mom said it's something that she does all the time. 389 00:19:48,581 --> 00:19:50,015 She probably would have gone anyway. 390 00:19:50,083 --> 00:19:51,683 But it's because of what I said 391 00:19:51,751 --> 00:19:54,219 that she was encouraged to go there last night. 392 00:19:54,287 --> 00:19:55,721 Dave, what are you doing? 393 00:19:55,788 --> 00:19:58,256 She came to me and I dismissed her. 394 00:19:58,324 --> 00:20:00,726 Try not to personalize it. 395 00:20:00,793 --> 00:20:03,195 I was the last one she talked to 396 00:20:03,262 --> 00:20:05,530 before she was murdered. 397 00:20:05,598 --> 00:20:08,367 How is this not personal, Aaron? 398 00:20:09,435 --> 00:20:10,969 OK. 399 00:20:11,037 --> 00:20:12,471 It's personal. 400 00:20:12,538 --> 00:20:16,375 That doesn't change how we go about finding her killer. 401 00:20:17,944 --> 00:20:19,444 We know that violent criminals 402 00:20:19,512 --> 00:20:22,614 develop a signature over a series of crimes. 403 00:20:22,682 --> 00:20:27,319 If he's young, he probably hasn't even figured out what his is yet. 404 00:20:27,387 --> 00:20:29,888 Find the signature, we can link the crimes. 405 00:20:29,956 --> 00:20:33,525 He probably monitoring the news, seeing if the police have connected them yet. 406 00:20:33,593 --> 00:20:36,128 We can use that. We can utilize the media. 407 00:20:36,195 --> 00:20:38,463 And I think I know who we can talk to. 408 00:20:49,609 --> 00:20:50,909 I knew homicides were up, 409 00:20:50,977 --> 00:20:53,678 but nobody said anything about a serial killer. 410 00:20:53,746 --> 00:20:57,783 Why do I get a visit from the BAU? 411 00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:59,151 You're Paula McConnell, 412 00:20:59,218 --> 00:21:00,852 Cleveland's number one source in crime news. 413 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,621 You're detailed, you have a following. 414 00:21:02,688 --> 00:21:03,989 He's reading you. 415 00:21:04,056 --> 00:21:05,023 We need you to write 416 00:21:05,091 --> 00:21:07,259 that the police have found his signature. 417 00:21:07,326 --> 00:21:08,527 You can help us by explaining 418 00:21:08,594 --> 00:21:09,995 what his signature is, in your article. 419 00:21:10,062 --> 00:21:11,363 It's a killer's personal stamp, 420 00:21:11,431 --> 00:21:12,864 his distinctive touch that he leaves 421 00:21:12,932 --> 00:21:14,466 at the scene of every crime. 422 00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:16,701 Well, I've been doing this for 18 years. 423 00:21:16,769 --> 00:21:18,470 And I know what a signature is, honey. 424 00:21:19,705 --> 00:21:22,340 We just really need you to be detailed about this. 425 00:21:22,408 --> 00:21:24,443 We're speaking directly to him. 426 00:21:24,510 --> 00:21:27,279 Through my column. 427 00:21:27,346 --> 00:21:28,547 He's doing something, 428 00:21:28,614 --> 00:21:31,283 a behavioral impulse he feels compelled to do. 429 00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:34,786 But a need-driven act to get a sexual release 430 00:21:34,854 --> 00:21:36,688 that's specific to his psyche. 431 00:21:36,756 --> 00:21:39,891 This repetitive behavior at each crime scene will lead us to him. 432 00:21:39,959 --> 00:21:42,861 Let me take a stab at it. 433 00:21:42,929 --> 00:21:44,896 Yeah, Reid. 434 00:21:44,964 --> 00:21:47,499 Uh, they just found another body. 435 00:21:53,806 --> 00:21:55,874 They're bringing him up right now. 436 00:21:57,643 --> 00:22:00,245 Teenagers found him a little over an hour ago. 437 00:22:01,414 --> 00:22:05,250 It's petechiae in the whites of his eyes. 438 00:22:05,318 --> 00:22:08,687 Judging from the bruising, he was probably strangled with a wire. 439 00:22:08,754 --> 00:22:09,921 Is this our guy? 440 00:22:09,989 --> 00:22:11,022 It's gotta be. 441 00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:12,924 A jogger doesn't get garroted every day. 442 00:22:12,992 --> 00:22:15,794 Whatever signature he may have left was probably washed away in the water. 443 00:22:15,862 --> 00:22:17,362 Well, who's he mimicking now? 444 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:20,532 Bike path rapist Altemio Sanchez comes to mind. 445 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,201 He trolled bike paths near Buffalo, garroting his victims. 446 00:22:23,269 --> 00:22:25,403 It looks like he copied everything except for the rape. 447 00:22:25,471 --> 00:22:26,872 Strangulation's a repetition 448 00:22:26,939 --> 00:22:29,374 of his last murder, of Zoe. 449 00:22:29,442 --> 00:22:30,876 First time he's repeated himself. 450 00:22:30,943 --> 00:22:32,377 Zoe's murder was spontaneous, though. 451 00:22:32,445 --> 00:22:33,879 He didn't plan it. He acted on instinct 452 00:22:33,946 --> 00:22:35,380 and did what came naturally to him. 453 00:22:35,448 --> 00:22:36,882 Maybe what came naturally felt good to him 454 00:22:36,949 --> 00:22:38,216 and he wanted to feel it again. 455 00:22:38,284 --> 00:22:39,885 If he's starting to repeat a pattern, 456 00:22:39,952 --> 00:22:42,787 he may have found himself. 457 00:23:10,641 --> 00:23:13,009 Zoe Hawkes. 458 00:23:13,076 --> 00:23:15,645 H-a-w-k-e-s. 459 00:23:15,712 --> 00:23:17,480 Very good. 460 00:23:18,982 --> 00:23:20,449 I'm Danny. 461 00:23:20,517 --> 00:23:22,552 I want you to call us 462 00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:24,287 if you have any questions at all. 463 00:23:24,354 --> 00:23:27,189 We're gonna take great care of her. 464 00:23:27,257 --> 00:23:28,658 OK? 465 00:23:28,725 --> 00:23:30,326 You're all set. 466 00:23:30,394 --> 00:23:32,762 Um, do I pay the bill here? 467 00:23:32,829 --> 00:23:36,799 No, ma'am. The bill's been taken care of by an anonymous donor. 468 00:23:41,638 --> 00:23:43,606 See anything else in there? 469 00:23:43,674 --> 00:23:46,542 Just the notations of an observant student. 470 00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:48,110 I've been thinking, though. 471 00:23:48,178 --> 00:23:50,680 Zoe got all of her information from the newspapers 472 00:23:50,747 --> 00:23:52,682 and from Paula McConnell's column. 473 00:23:52,749 --> 00:23:54,050 There's no way she could have known 474 00:23:54,117 --> 00:23:55,384 about every homicide in the city. 475 00:23:55,452 --> 00:23:57,787 Well, not every homicide's reported in the papers. 476 00:23:57,854 --> 00:23:59,555 So how do we know the unsub didn't commit more murders 477 00:23:59,623 --> 00:24:01,023 than the ones noted in her journals? 478 00:24:01,091 --> 00:24:02,224 We don't. 479 00:24:02,292 --> 00:24:04,627 We can check missing persons and see if anyone 480 00:24:04,695 --> 00:24:07,063 was last seen in the unsub's operating zone. 481 00:24:08,432 --> 00:24:09,966 Hmm. 482 00:24:10,033 --> 00:24:11,100 What? 483 00:24:11,168 --> 00:24:13,269 Well, a young person's mind is so active... 484 00:24:13,337 --> 00:24:16,772 yours, Zoe's, and I imagine this unsub's, too. 485 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,741 I think when he get him, he'll be curious. 486 00:24:18,809 --> 00:24:20,276 He'll ask questions. 487 00:24:20,344 --> 00:24:22,712 Rossi, heads up. She knows. 488 00:24:24,281 --> 00:24:25,982 Did you do this? 489 00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:31,654 I don't need or want your money. 490 00:24:31,722 --> 00:24:34,924 I have taken care of my daughter for 22 years, 491 00:24:34,992 --> 00:24:37,093 and she is still my responsibility. 492 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,129 I don't need any help from you. 493 00:24:42,265 --> 00:24:44,300 You didn't even know her. 494 00:24:44,368 --> 00:24:47,036 I'm sorry if I've offended you. 495 00:24:48,505 --> 00:24:51,974 Just leave us alone. 496 00:24:58,615 --> 00:24:59,815 All right. 497 00:24:59,883 --> 00:25:01,484 We found another body. 498 00:25:01,551 --> 00:25:02,785 East Cleveland. 499 00:25:02,853 --> 00:25:05,154 Strangulation marks. 500 00:25:06,323 --> 00:25:07,723 This was recent. 501 00:25:07,791 --> 00:25:09,959 The bruises on her neck are still reddish. 502 00:25:10,027 --> 00:25:12,461 No other obvious signs of trauma. 503 00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:15,264 Well, this isn't a bike path like the last one. 504 00:25:15,332 --> 00:25:16,999 Which serial killer is he mimicking now? 505 00:25:17,067 --> 00:25:19,001 I don't think he is mimicking anymore. 506 00:25:19,069 --> 00:25:20,670 He's starting to show consistency. 507 00:25:20,737 --> 00:25:22,772 I think he's developing his own style. 508 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:24,407 Has anybody touched her? 509 00:25:24,474 --> 00:25:26,075 No. They have instructions to wait for us and the ME. 510 00:25:26,143 --> 00:25:27,710 Where's he? 511 00:25:27,778 --> 00:25:29,545 Dr. Edwards! 512 00:25:30,981 --> 00:25:32,181 Here he comes. 513 00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:35,017 Hi. Agent Hotchner. 514 00:25:35,085 --> 00:25:36,252 Um, could you take a look 515 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:38,888 at this spot on her forehead? 516 00:25:38,955 --> 00:25:41,557 Hmm. That's strange. 517 00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:43,325 Let me swab it and get it back to the lab. 518 00:25:43,393 --> 00:25:44,694 Thanks. 519 00:25:46,563 --> 00:25:48,831 3 murders in the last 3 days. 520 00:25:48,899 --> 00:25:50,533 Something's causing his frenzy. 521 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,868 Could be a drastic change in his life. 522 00:25:52,936 --> 00:25:54,637 Something he lost control of. 523 00:25:54,705 --> 00:25:57,873 Or it could be something he gained control of. 524 00:25:57,941 --> 00:25:59,842 Like himself. 525 00:25:59,910 --> 00:26:03,379 If he's finally defined himself as a strangler, 526 00:26:03,447 --> 00:26:06,482 he may just be practicing, perfecting his style. 527 00:26:06,550 --> 00:26:07,850 He may have awakened. 528 00:26:07,918 --> 00:26:09,852 The coroner just called. 529 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,721 Preliminary tests confirm acetyl alcohol 530 00:26:11,788 --> 00:26:13,422 on the homeless woman's forehead. 531 00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:14,890 He sterilized it? 532 00:26:14,958 --> 00:26:16,726 Why would he do that? 533 00:26:16,793 --> 00:26:18,561 Maybe he did something to her forehead, 534 00:26:18,628 --> 00:26:21,263 used an alcohol wipe to remove evidence. 535 00:26:21,331 --> 00:26:23,733 Well, if that's the case, it certainly wasn't necessary to the crime. 536 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,334 This could be part of his signature. 537 00:26:25,402 --> 00:26:27,403 We should look at other victims 538 00:26:27,471 --> 00:26:28,904 to see if he did something similar. 539 00:26:28,972 --> 00:26:30,172 Any evidence on the last victim 540 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,741 was washed away in the water. 541 00:26:31,808 --> 00:26:34,143 And all the other bodies were either buried or cremated. 542 00:26:34,211 --> 00:26:37,046 Except for one. 543 00:26:45,622 --> 00:26:49,058 I know you don't want to see me, but please hear me out. 544 00:26:49,126 --> 00:26:52,728 We need Zoe's body to go back to the coroner's office. 545 00:26:52,796 --> 00:26:55,731 Zoe's murderer left a clue on her body. 546 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,601 There's a chance we can find him from this clue, 547 00:26:58,668 --> 00:27:00,503 but we have to examine her again. 548 00:27:00,570 --> 00:27:04,373 All I want to do is put her to rest. 549 00:27:04,441 --> 00:27:06,542 Zoe chose to study criminology 550 00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:10,179 because she believed in bringing criminals to justice. 551 00:27:14,618 --> 00:27:18,420 Can't guarantee the evidence hasn't been compromised. 552 00:27:18,488 --> 00:27:20,656 The mortician hadn't touched her yet. 553 00:27:20,724 --> 00:27:24,326 Even so, she's been transported more times than I'd like. 554 00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:25,895 Don't want anyone to get their hopes up. 555 00:27:25,962 --> 00:27:29,665 Just make sure the evidence gets to Quantico quickly. 556 00:27:29,733 --> 00:27:32,668 East Cleveland homicides, first quarter to date... 557 00:27:32,736 --> 00:27:34,003 5 out of 9 unsolved. 558 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:37,940 January 22... prostitute murder, downtown at 5th and Main. 559 00:27:38,008 --> 00:27:40,910 January 9... man shot at Kingsbury Park. 560 00:27:40,977 --> 00:27:44,246 February 15... Kayla James. Lived alone. 561 00:27:44,314 --> 00:27:46,081 First home invasion... 562 00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:47,249 February 8... murder... 563 00:27:47,317 --> 00:27:48,751 young couple shot in car. 564 00:27:48,819 --> 00:27:49,752 No apparent motive. 565 00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:50,753 Investigate. 566 00:27:50,821 --> 00:27:52,154 Why are locations different? 567 00:27:52,222 --> 00:27:55,257 Page 47, Rossi's book: There are no coincidences. 568 00:27:59,596 --> 00:28:01,363 Garcia, you got something? 569 00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:04,533 Yeah, the boys in the lab found trace amounts of saliva on Zoe's forehead, 570 00:28:04,601 --> 00:28:06,035 enough for a DNA sample. 571 00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:08,604 So we got a CODIS match on Eric Ryan Olson, 572 00:28:08,672 --> 00:28:10,039 23, Cleveland native, 573 00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:12,208 did 2 1/2 years for attempted sexual assault 574 00:28:12,275 --> 00:28:13,709 and was paroled 6 months ago. 575 00:28:13,777 --> 00:28:16,011 We thought for sure he'd be a student. 576 00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:18,280 Uh, that's 'cause he was. While he was in the slammer, 577 00:28:18,348 --> 00:28:21,016 he took independent correspondence classes 578 00:28:21,084 --> 00:28:23,886 in forensic science and criminology from an out-of-state school. 579 00:28:23,954 --> 00:28:25,821 Call the team. Let's get a search warrant. 580 00:28:25,889 --> 00:28:27,423 Yeah. 581 00:28:32,996 --> 00:28:33,929 Clear! 582 00:28:33,997 --> 00:28:35,397 Clear! 583 00:28:35,465 --> 00:28:36,932 Reid, check the computer. 584 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,235 Detective, we should talk to the neighbors, find out where he goes, 585 00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:40,736 where he might be on a week night. 586 00:28:40,804 --> 00:28:41,737 Aaron. 587 00:28:41,805 --> 00:28:43,939 He's reading my books. 588 00:28:47,744 --> 00:28:50,846 Don't know how long, baby 589 00:28:50,914 --> 00:28:53,349 I can hold on 590 00:28:54,918 --> 00:28:57,353 but I gotta tell you one thing 591 00:28:59,055 --> 00:29:01,090 Reid, anything? 592 00:29:05,295 --> 00:29:08,097 Al's Alehouse. That's like 5 miles away. 593 00:29:08,164 --> 00:29:09,531 It's on the schedule for tonight. 594 00:29:12,402 --> 00:29:13,669 Have a good night. 595 00:29:13,737 --> 00:29:14,870 See you tomorrow. 596 00:29:37,694 --> 00:29:39,061 He was alone at the bar. 597 00:29:39,129 --> 00:29:40,229 When did he leave? 598 00:29:40,297 --> 00:29:41,563 Like 10 minutes ago. 599 00:29:41,631 --> 00:29:42,898 Did he talk to anyone? 600 00:29:42,966 --> 00:29:43,933 Linda. 601 00:29:45,101 --> 00:29:47,369 He left right after she did. 602 00:29:47,437 --> 00:29:48,370 Thanks. 603 00:30:03,353 --> 00:30:05,654 Got it, Hotch. Manager says 604 00:30:05,722 --> 00:30:07,923 he may have followed one of the waitresses out of the bar. 605 00:30:07,991 --> 00:30:09,258 She walks home through Cedar Park. 606 00:30:09,326 --> 00:30:11,760 We just passed Cedar Park. 607 00:30:26,276 --> 00:30:28,844 FBI! Get off the girl! Get off the girl! 608 00:30:28,912 --> 00:30:30,779 OK, it's OK. Stay down! Stay down! 609 00:30:30,847 --> 00:30:32,147 Get off me. 610 00:30:32,215 --> 00:30:33,649 It's all right. Wait, wait, wait. 611 00:30:33,717 --> 00:30:34,750 - Hold on. - Get off me! 612 00:30:34,818 --> 00:30:36,852 Stop! We're trying to help you. 613 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,420 He's my boyfriend! 614 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,633 Didn't see that coming. 615 00:30:51,701 --> 00:30:53,535 How could she not know? 616 00:30:53,603 --> 00:30:55,037 Kenneth Bianchi's girlfriend had no idea 617 00:30:55,105 --> 00:30:56,972 he was one of the Hillside Stranglers. 618 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,608 Just like BTK's wife. 619 00:30:59,676 --> 00:31:01,076 What do we know about her? 620 00:31:01,144 --> 00:31:02,811 Her name's Linda Jones. 621 00:31:02,879 --> 00:31:05,347 No criminal record. They met online 6 weeks ago. 622 00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:09,551 No, he can't be this guy. 623 00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:11,854 We found his DNA on a murder victim. 624 00:31:11,921 --> 00:31:13,255 What? 625 00:31:13,323 --> 00:31:15,190 We also think he's responsible for the murder 626 00:31:15,258 --> 00:31:17,893 of 7 other people over the last 7 weeks. 627 00:31:17,961 --> 00:31:20,462 Two of his victims were raped. 628 00:31:23,299 --> 00:31:26,335 I think I'm gonna be sick. 629 00:31:27,637 --> 00:31:30,406 OK, OK. 630 00:31:33,109 --> 00:31:34,743 Against my counsel, 631 00:31:34,811 --> 00:31:37,479 my client would like to talk to Agent Rossi. 632 00:31:39,949 --> 00:31:42,084 We talked about him being curious, asking questions. 633 00:31:42,152 --> 00:31:44,520 If he thinks he knows you, he might open up. 634 00:31:44,587 --> 00:31:46,188 I'll keep him talking. 635 00:31:46,256 --> 00:31:47,389 Good. 636 00:31:52,262 --> 00:31:54,963 Agent Rossi. 637 00:31:55,031 --> 00:31:57,366 Big fan. 638 00:31:58,735 --> 00:32:00,235 We have some information 639 00:32:00,303 --> 00:32:01,770 that would be of great interest to you. 640 00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:05,774 My ears are burning. 641 00:32:05,842 --> 00:32:09,078 My lawyer here explains that I'm being charged with 8 murders 642 00:32:09,145 --> 00:32:11,380 and that I'm probably looking at the death penalty. 643 00:32:11,448 --> 00:32:13,882 I have one very important question for you. 644 00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:17,786 Are you sure it's just 8? 645 00:32:19,756 --> 00:32:21,090 What? 646 00:32:21,157 --> 00:32:22,791 We checked missing persons. 647 00:32:22,859 --> 00:32:24,126 Since he started killing, 648 00:32:24,194 --> 00:32:25,427 4 people have been reported missing 649 00:32:25,495 --> 00:32:26,728 in East Cleveland neighborhoods. 650 00:32:26,796 --> 00:32:28,764 We can't rule out any of them as his possible victims. 651 00:32:28,832 --> 00:32:30,999 He marked pages on several serial killers. 652 00:32:31,067 --> 00:32:32,801 We don't know which ones he tried to copycat. 653 00:32:32,869 --> 00:32:33,936 We're screwed, then. 654 00:32:34,003 --> 00:32:35,771 The DA is gonna have to offer him a deal. 655 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:37,706 The DA doesn't have to give him the option. 656 00:32:37,774 --> 00:32:39,208 That's easy for you to say. 657 00:32:39,275 --> 00:32:40,776 You get to go home tomorrow. 658 00:32:40,844 --> 00:32:42,544 What do I tell the families of the missing? 659 00:32:42,612 --> 00:32:43,745 Sorry, no idea? 660 00:32:43,813 --> 00:32:45,547 Detective, we're not gonna leave 661 00:32:45,615 --> 00:32:48,050 until we can give you and the families some closure. 662 00:32:48,118 --> 00:32:49,551 And how are you gonna do that? 663 00:32:50,987 --> 00:32:52,054 Hotch. Reid. 664 00:32:52,122 --> 00:32:54,056 I need something, anything, that might show 665 00:32:54,124 --> 00:32:56,325 where he was trolling for more victims. 666 00:32:56,392 --> 00:32:57,559 Once the DA gets here, 667 00:32:57,627 --> 00:32:59,561 we have a lot to talk about. 668 00:32:59,629 --> 00:33:01,330 What do you think you're gonna get out of this? 669 00:33:01,397 --> 00:33:03,565 I don't know. 670 00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:04,733 We'll see. 671 00:33:04,801 --> 00:33:06,401 You don't have to say anything else, Eric. 672 00:33:06,469 --> 00:33:08,437 You got to speak to him. 673 00:33:08,505 --> 00:33:10,606 Now, let's just wait for the DA. 674 00:33:10,673 --> 00:33:12,407 I don't know how to break it to you, kid, 675 00:33:12,475 --> 00:33:14,743 but you don't have a card to play here. 676 00:33:14,811 --> 00:33:16,778 We're 3 steps ahead of you. 677 00:33:16,846 --> 00:33:18,780 Oh. 678 00:33:18,848 --> 00:33:20,082 Really. 679 00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:22,584 We've already considered the possibility 680 00:33:22,652 --> 00:33:24,586 that you killed other people. 681 00:33:24,654 --> 00:33:27,422 We knew you were young, wanted to experiment. 682 00:33:27,490 --> 00:33:29,158 It was likely you would copycat 683 00:33:29,225 --> 00:33:31,160 as many serial killers as possible 684 00:33:31,227 --> 00:33:33,162 to figure out who you are 685 00:33:33,229 --> 00:33:36,098 and what you liked. 686 00:33:36,166 --> 00:33:39,268 So let me ask you a question. 687 00:33:39,335 --> 00:33:40,869 How do you know 688 00:33:40,937 --> 00:33:42,938 you haven't told me already 689 00:33:43,006 --> 00:33:45,641 where the other bodies are buried? 690 00:33:51,848 --> 00:33:53,348 We've been through everything. 691 00:33:53,416 --> 00:33:55,350 He marked up Rossi's books. Check the bookcase. 692 00:33:55,418 --> 00:33:57,686 Maybe he was scouting for locations to commit more murders. 693 00:34:00,523 --> 00:34:01,657 Pictures. 694 00:34:01,724 --> 00:34:02,858 What? 695 00:34:02,926 --> 00:34:05,360 Framed photographs in his hallway. 696 00:34:05,428 --> 00:34:06,895 Nothing else... nothing else is framed. 697 00:34:06,963 --> 00:34:08,897 They look like originals. Let me call you right back, Hotch. 698 00:34:08,965 --> 00:34:10,632 OK. 699 00:34:14,771 --> 00:34:18,073 I need to ask you about your sex life. 700 00:34:18,141 --> 00:34:20,876 That's personal. 701 00:34:20,944 --> 00:34:22,644 Your boyfriend's a serial killer. 702 00:34:22,712 --> 00:34:25,581 Your relationship is no longer private. 703 00:34:27,317 --> 00:34:30,152 It's completely normal to experiment with sex. 704 00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:33,088 OK. It might be normal to have sex in a public park, 705 00:34:33,156 --> 00:34:34,856 but the other things? 706 00:34:34,924 --> 00:34:37,859 We were just role-playing. 707 00:34:37,927 --> 00:34:39,928 Every couple has fantasies. 708 00:34:39,996 --> 00:34:41,430 Did you ever think it was strange 709 00:34:41,497 --> 00:34:43,198 that your boyfriend has fantasies 710 00:34:43,266 --> 00:34:45,334 about strangling and raping women? 711 00:34:45,401 --> 00:34:47,703 Not women. 712 00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:50,105 Just me. 713 00:34:54,611 --> 00:34:57,913 Did he... kiss you on the forehead, too? 714 00:35:00,950 --> 00:35:02,918 How did you know that? 715 00:35:02,986 --> 00:35:06,922 Now, were you sick much as a kid? 716 00:35:08,625 --> 00:35:12,327 I got strep throat every flu season. 717 00:35:12,395 --> 00:35:14,830 Did you just profile that about me? 718 00:35:14,897 --> 00:35:16,732 Her name was Zoe Hawkes... 719 00:35:16,799 --> 00:35:19,468 the girl you killed 3 days ago. 720 00:35:19,535 --> 00:35:21,937 We found your DNA on her forehead. 721 00:35:22,005 --> 00:35:23,739 It'll never be admissible in court. 722 00:35:23,806 --> 00:35:26,074 Her body was removed from a state facility and... 723 00:35:26,142 --> 00:35:28,744 Now, most people would ask what you did. 724 00:35:28,811 --> 00:35:30,612 I know what you did. 725 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,914 You kissed her on the forehead. 726 00:35:32,982 --> 00:35:36,251 What I what to know is, why? 727 00:35:39,656 --> 00:35:42,624 Why do you think someone would do that, Agent Rossi? 728 00:35:42,692 --> 00:35:46,028 Well, that's why I asked if you had been ill much 729 00:35:46,095 --> 00:35:48,130 as a child. 730 00:35:48,197 --> 00:35:51,900 You see, you're slight, pale, sickly. 731 00:35:51,968 --> 00:35:54,903 Most parents, they kiss their children on the forehead 732 00:35:54,971 --> 00:35:57,439 to see if their temperature is warm. 733 00:35:57,507 --> 00:36:00,442 Now, my theory is that you, somehow in your development, 734 00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:05,247 warped that caring gesture into something perverse. 735 00:36:07,784 --> 00:36:10,552 So, did you sit next to Zoe 736 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:14,323 to see if she got cold? 737 00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:16,591 Is that why you kissed her? 738 00:36:16,659 --> 00:36:20,228 That's a really interesting theory. 739 00:36:20,296 --> 00:36:23,231 Make a great chapter in one of your books. 740 00:36:26,602 --> 00:36:27,736 Yeah, Reid. 741 00:36:27,804 --> 00:36:29,071 I found pictures on his computer 742 00:36:29,138 --> 00:36:30,572 in a special folder he created. 743 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,240 They're scenic places in the city. 744 00:36:32,308 --> 00:36:34,910 3 of them I recognize from his crime scenes. 745 00:36:34,977 --> 00:36:37,479 There are more pictures of places I don't recognize. 746 00:36:37,547 --> 00:36:39,681 All right. Email them as soon as you can. 747 00:36:39,749 --> 00:36:41,316 This guy's getting off on those photos. 748 00:36:41,384 --> 00:36:43,685 Then what does he need Linda for? 749 00:36:43,753 --> 00:36:46,788 Did he have any other strange preferences in bed? 750 00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:48,490 No. 751 00:36:48,558 --> 00:36:50,125 Did he ever role play by tying you up? 752 00:36:50,193 --> 00:36:51,827 No. 753 00:36:51,894 --> 00:36:53,195 Are you sure? 754 00:36:53,262 --> 00:36:54,563 Yes. 755 00:36:55,765 --> 00:36:58,033 I'm sure. 756 00:36:59,769 --> 00:37:02,137 He liked... he liked being an exhibitionist. 757 00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:06,975 It was really the only way he could get excited. 758 00:37:07,043 --> 00:37:09,077 What do you mean? 759 00:37:09,145 --> 00:37:11,179 Well, he didn't... like... 760 00:37:11,247 --> 00:37:13,548 having sex in bed. 761 00:37:13,616 --> 00:37:17,753 So he just took me to public places. 762 00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:19,087 Where? 763 00:37:21,557 --> 00:37:24,059 Do I have to tell you this? 764 00:37:24,127 --> 00:37:25,227 Please. 765 00:37:25,294 --> 00:37:27,062 OK. 766 00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:29,231 Um... 767 00:37:29,298 --> 00:37:31,867 The first time was... 768 00:37:31,934 --> 00:37:33,769 at Kingsbury Park. 769 00:37:34,971 --> 00:37:37,105 And then... 770 00:37:37,173 --> 00:37:38,740 at a movie theater. 771 00:37:38,808 --> 00:37:40,776 In the parking lot, in my car. 772 00:37:42,745 --> 00:37:45,380 Did he ever take you to the Second Street Bridge, 773 00:37:45,448 --> 00:37:47,783 off the bike path? 774 00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:49,384 Yeah. 775 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,921 That's where the jogger was killed. 776 00:37:52,989 --> 00:37:55,724 He can only have sex with Linda when he's revisiting his crimes. 777 00:37:55,792 --> 00:37:57,192 If that's the case, what were they doing in the park 778 00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:58,260 where we picked them up? 779 00:38:03,933 --> 00:38:05,734 I need you to write down for me 780 00:38:05,802 --> 00:38:08,370 all the places he took you to have sex. 781 00:38:17,780 --> 00:38:20,949 The DA's not gonna need to negotiate a deal with you. 782 00:38:29,459 --> 00:38:31,893 Cedar Park, Edgewater Channel, 783 00:38:31,961 --> 00:38:36,097 Cuyahoga Valley Park, Euclid Creek. 784 00:38:38,067 --> 00:38:40,836 We'll send units in the morning to search for the bodies. 785 00:38:44,073 --> 00:38:45,540 How'd you find out? 786 00:38:45,608 --> 00:38:46,541 Eric. 787 00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:48,643 Is it something that I did? 788 00:38:48,711 --> 00:38:51,513 You needed to revisit the crime scenes 789 00:38:51,581 --> 00:38:53,181 because it was the only way 790 00:38:53,249 --> 00:38:55,484 for you to get a gratifying sexual release. 791 00:38:57,353 --> 00:39:00,088 But revisiting the scenes wasn't enough. 792 00:39:00,156 --> 00:39:03,792 You had to capture it on film, put it on your computer, 793 00:39:03,860 --> 00:39:06,328 display it on your wall, 794 00:39:06,395 --> 00:39:09,431 so you could look at it every day. 795 00:39:10,766 --> 00:39:12,868 Eric, we should talk privately. 796 00:39:12,935 --> 00:39:15,003 This isn't over. 797 00:39:19,809 --> 00:39:22,611 I always knew I'd end up back in prison. 798 00:39:22,678 --> 00:39:24,813 Just a matter of when. 799 00:39:24,881 --> 00:39:28,450 You can come interview me, if you want. 800 00:39:28,518 --> 00:39:30,252 I read in one of your books 801 00:39:30,319 --> 00:39:32,420 that's how you built your behavioral database, right? 802 00:39:32,488 --> 00:39:35,423 Maybe you can learn something from me. 803 00:39:38,327 --> 00:39:40,929 I got a lot of questions myself. 804 00:39:42,632 --> 00:39:45,934 I'll be honest with you, if you're honest with me. 805 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:49,871 'Cause the one thing that you always ask 806 00:39:49,939 --> 00:39:52,140 is the one that I don't understand. 807 00:39:53,543 --> 00:39:55,644 Why? 808 00:39:56,913 --> 00:39:58,947 I have no idea why. 809 00:40:00,683 --> 00:40:02,551 I see a guy walking down the street, 810 00:40:02,618 --> 00:40:04,920 with a stupid look on his face, 811 00:40:04,987 --> 00:40:09,157 and I want to bash him over the head with a bottle. 812 00:40:09,225 --> 00:40:11,192 To me, that's normal. 813 00:40:12,962 --> 00:40:16,431 It's weird to me that no one else feels that way. 814 00:40:18,734 --> 00:40:21,236 It's all I think about. 815 00:40:21,304 --> 00:40:24,205 I can't stop. 816 00:40:52,134 --> 00:40:54,269 This is not up for debate. 817 00:40:54,337 --> 00:40:57,072 Cancel the rest of the dates. 818 00:40:57,139 --> 00:40:59,507 Is everything OK? 819 00:40:59,575 --> 00:41:02,577 Why do people want to hear me talk about serial killers? 820 00:41:02,645 --> 00:41:03,912 Is it that entertaining? 821 00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:06,381 There's a public fascination with them. 822 00:41:06,449 --> 00:41:08,383 Sometimes I wonder if my books 823 00:41:08,451 --> 00:41:10,051 are doing more harm than good. 824 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:11,920 My senior year at Georgetown... 825 00:41:11,988 --> 00:41:14,522 I was graduating, I did not have a clue 826 00:41:14,590 --> 00:41:16,558 what I was gonna do with my life. 827 00:41:16,626 --> 00:41:19,094 And one day, I was in the campus bookstore 828 00:41:19,161 --> 00:41:20,695 and you were there, 829 00:41:20,763 --> 00:41:22,931 promoting your second book. 830 00:41:22,999 --> 00:41:25,233 Sat through your whole talk. 831 00:41:25,301 --> 00:41:27,702 You never told me. 832 00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:30,105 I asked you what it was you were most proud of, 833 00:41:30,172 --> 00:41:34,142 and you showed us a picture of a boy from Charleston. 834 00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:35,944 Brent Roberts. 835 00:41:36,012 --> 00:41:37,412 A neighbor took him. 836 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,780 He was found alive. 837 00:41:38,848 --> 00:41:40,415 One of the few. 838 00:41:42,151 --> 00:41:44,219 That night, I bought your book. 839 00:41:44,286 --> 00:41:47,155 Applied to the academy the next fall. 840 00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:53,595 I'll see you at the airport. 841 00:42:01,671 --> 00:42:03,405 Austrian novelist 842 00:42:06,142 --> 00:42:07,842 "In youth we learn. 843 00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:10,478 In age we understand." 844 00:42:10,546 --> 00:42:15,717 What is goin' on? 845 00:42:20,156 --> 00:42:22,557 I hear you caught him. 846 00:42:25,628 --> 00:42:26,728 We did. 847 00:42:27,997 --> 00:42:30,131 Is he going to prison? 848 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,667 For the rest of his life. 849 00:42:35,838 --> 00:42:38,039 It doesn't make me feel better. 850 00:42:38,107 --> 00:42:41,209 He's alive, Zoe's not. 851 00:42:43,279 --> 00:42:46,347 But she'd be pleased that you caught him. 852 00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,287 I hope so. 61943

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