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There is a difference
between R. Kelly and Robert.
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R. Kelly is this fun,
laughing, loving guy.
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But Robert is the devil.
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She fell in love with someone
that is a predator.
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It's heartbreaking.
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This man is a monster.
That's what he is.
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I'm gonna call the police
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and tell them you kidnapped my sister.
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This can't keep going on.
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You need to see the effects
of your behavior.
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He's proving that he's never
going to take responsibility
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for his actions.
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That's a predator that's telling y'all,
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"I'm-a get these girls
to do what I want 'em to do
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when I want 'em to do".
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And so we decided to protest.
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He needs to worry about righting
his wrongs. Period.
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I hope Robert is trying
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to get his sense together.
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Whatever's in the dark
will come to light.
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Time's up for R. Kelly.
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R&B singer R. Kelly is denying claims
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he's keeping a household of young women
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in a cultlike atmosphere.
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My name is Timothy Savage.
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Stockholm syndrome.
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That's what my daughter has right now.
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Never been feeling hostage
or anything like that.
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It's been almost two years.
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We still haven't seen our daughter.
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Hey, Joycelyn.
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When I saw the TMZ video,
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I looked over, and it was
my daughter, Dominique.
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I just put two and two together.
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I ain't leaving this damn hotel.
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I did came too damn close. I'm this far.
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He beat me in the car,
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and he was slapping me repeatedly.
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And I just started thinking
of ways to, like,
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end my life or end his.
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Come on, we're leaving.
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Our daughter met R. Kelly
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at a concert in Orlando.
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R. Kelly picked my daughter, Azriel,
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to go up on stage.
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I knew his background,
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but I'm right here with
her. Her mom right here.
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None of this could happen to me.
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One day we get a phone call.
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"Oh, I'm at a hotel with R. Kelly".
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R. Kelly expresses interest
in working with Azriel
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to possibly further her music career.
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And... he wanted to be her mentor.
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Honestly, I didn't think
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it was a good fit.
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Uh, I didn't want
to have any part of it,
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but Azriel pressed us.
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She made threats
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if we didn't, you know, let her do this.
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We told her, like, basically,
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for you to do anything else with him,
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she could not be with him by herself.
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She was flying back and forth...
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to different cities, but one
of us was always in attendance.
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Either myself, my husband, my son
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or my oldest daughter, A'Iceis.
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Azriel and I arranged
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for me to go to Chicago,
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and I was supposed to stay
for about a month or two.
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But when I got out there, it wasn't what
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Azriel made it to be. Nor him, R. Kelly.
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Some driver picked me up.
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We went to the studio,
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and we sitting in there,
and he making music.
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And he spoke to me. "Hey, A'Iceis".
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You know, it was cool at first.
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But Azriel made it to be
like she could go places,
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she could do things.
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We couldn't do nothing.
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She couldn't walk out the room
without calling R. Kelly.
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It was all about what R. Kelly wanted.
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Finally, I went and walked out
to go get me something to eat.
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She was just like, "You can't.
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You have to come back.
R. Kelly's gonna get us".
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"Get us? No, he's not gonna get us,
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'cause I'm a grown-ass woman".
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She was like, "No,
you just have to call him
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and let him know where you're going".
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I'm not gonna keep
picking up the fucking phone
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and calling R. Kelly. He ain't my daddy.
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My daddy's in Florida.
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When I woke up in the morning,
she wasn't there.
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So I was like, "Okay, he must
have came and got her".
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I was calling Azriel. No answer.
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Well, I know where their studio is.
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I walk to the studio,
and... I walked in.
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R. Kelly's nephew was there.
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He said, "Oh, they left".
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And I was like, "They left?"
He was like, "Yeah".
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And I was like, "Why?
You know, where's my sister?
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"Like, I don't know
why would he be leaving
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with my sister. I'm here".
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So I started yelling,
and I started cussing.
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I was like, "Somebody need
to bring my sister out here".
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And my sister came out,
and she was like,
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"What's wrong? What's going on?"
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I was like, "We're leaving.
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Like, we're lea... Let's go".
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I started dragging my sister
out of the studio.
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And then R. Kelly's
pulling my sister, too,
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and I'm pulling her, too.
I'm telling R. Kelly,
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"I'm gonna call the police and tell them
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you kidnapped my sister. Period".
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R. Kelly told his security
to make me disappear.
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They pinned me down, carried me out.
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They pulled up in the back
of an alley at McDonald's.
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I was shoved out.
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Didn't know where I was. They was like,
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"If you say anything,
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"your sister won't make it out alive.
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Or your family".
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My daughter A'Iceis called,
uh, back home.
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She was like, "No, Azriel,
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she want to be up here,
but we need to leave".
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My parents, they had
to get me another room
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'cause I told them I didn't feel safe,
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but they didn't know what was going on
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because they said, "Don't
mention anything about it,
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or your sister won't make it out alive".
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Had happened, no. I didn't tell them.
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The phone call took me aback,
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like something happened.
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So me and him flew up the next day.
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Once we flew to Chicago,
we... talked to R. Kelly,
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and he explained everything
that was going on.
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It wasn't like... our oldest
daughter, A'Iceis, thought.
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Azriel assured us,
"Dad, it wasn't like that.
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I promise you".
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Even A'Iceis
downplayed it once we got there,
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like, "It wasn't that serious.
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Maybe I just was over the top with it".
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Okay, maybe this, you know.
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My daughter overreacted, you know.
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We all got eyes on him now,
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so we feeling safe that she there.
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At this point, Azriel was getting ready
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to start her senior year in school.
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Before we left Chicago,
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he mentioned that Azriel would need
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to f-fully commit
so that he can hurry up
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and get something done for her,
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but he was gonna do it as he's touring.
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And I told him that she can't go
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without having somebody with her.
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So if somebody could
be with her, we fine.
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So R. Kelly said that he would
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- actually have someone from the record label...
- From the label.
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...be a guardian over her,
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um, that we could talk to
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to make sure she's, you know,
doing her schooling,
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that whenever she needed
to get home for something
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she would get home,
whatever the case may be.
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It would be a female.
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So... that's what we had agreed to.
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And we actually signed it.
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We were on the phone with him,
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at this point, on a regular basis,
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so we felt... seemed like
everything was okay,
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um, at that point.
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It seems that part of
what he was selling is,
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"I'm a star, and I can make you a star".
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If you know the story of the Pied Piper,
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the Pied Piper was a... was a musician,
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you know, who led a bunch
of kids out of a village
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via music never to be seen again.
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And I just thought that was insane.
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You know, I think that was
his middle finger to the law.
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'Cause he was like,
"Yeah, I'm untouchable".
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Instead of calling himself
the Teflon Don,
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he called himself the Pied Piper.
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And, you know, from what we
see, he-he hasn't stopped
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leading... young girls out of villages
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via music ever since.
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So, you work really hard to be seen
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as this benevolent public figure,
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but in your private life,
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there are these things that you're doing
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that you don't want the public to know.
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So, that tension can create
conflict within a person
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that can then look like anger outbursts.
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Somebody can be
really relaxed and happy.
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Somebody can be really angry one minute.
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And so that's how I
kind of best understand that...
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you know, people saying, "Well,
there are many different sides
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of this person, and I'm... we're
not sure what we're gonna get".
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Yo, what's up, you guys?
It's your boy, Kells, man.
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I just wanted to break some things down
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and talk to you guys,
just to clear some things up.
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I've been getting a lot of
slack from, you know, people
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about, you know... my album
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or, you know, my career
and things like that.
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Real talk.
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We have got to support each other, man.
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Quit playing, you know what I'm saying?
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I've done all of the
shows there is to do.
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I've, you know, I've done
all this promotion,
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and my company's not
getting behind this album,
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The Buffet album. You know...
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But I tell you, you know,
none of that, to me, matters.
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None of that matters, you know,
because at the end of the day,
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it's really about us coming together.
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He did the Huffington Post interview,
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and the interviewer asked him
questions about the girls.
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And he... did not want
to answer the questions.
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Would you say that you have
a healthy relationship with sex
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and that that is reflected musically?
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I would have to say this...
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I did not come here to get interrogated.
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I didn't come here for a deposition.
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You know what a deposition is?
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- I'm very aware of what a deposition is.
- Well, then...
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- I'm asking you about your music.
- You should, then,
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you should agree with me when, when...
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- I asked about your music.
- when I say that this sounds
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sort of like a deposition.
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What do you say
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to the multiple fans,
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the many fans who are
watching and listening
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- that say there have been...
- I say I love my fans.
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- multiple accusations against you...
- I say I love my fans.
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- against young women in Chicago,
- I say I love all of my fans.
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and they are concerned
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- about your past,
- People that are against me.
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- and that's impacting them
- People that are with me.
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- from purchasing your music sales?
- I love them all.
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I love them all. It doesn't
matter who they are,
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if they hate me, they love me,
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they want to destroy me, whatever.
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I love them all. And I love you, too.
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You don't need to give me
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- any of your love, sir.
- I love everybody.
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You really don't need to
give me your love. I just wanted
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to ask the question. I
have a video question for you
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- from a fan if you...
- No video questions for me,
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- 'cause this interview is over.
- Okay.
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- Thank you very much for coming...
- All right.
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And so, he was very upset
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about that interview.
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He just wanted to vent.
250
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He was blaming different people on staff
251
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about the way the interview turned out.
252
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That was a time that
he actually wanted to know
253
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what was being said online
about the interview.
254
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R. Kelly can read,
255
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but he has difficulties
reading certain words,
256
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and of course no one
would tell him the truth.
257
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I was one of the people who lied to him
258
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about what was being said online.
259
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December 30, Azriel turned 18.
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And that is when all hell broke loose.
261
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Her phone was going
straight to voice mail.
262
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Everything changed,
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and we stopped hearing from her.
264
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At that point, she's 18.
She can do what she want.
265
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I can't make her go anywhere.
266
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So, my daughter A'Iceis
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finally told us the truth.
268
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We talked to her.
269
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Like, this came out months later.
270
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And she was crying. She was
very upset and distraught.
271
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She was telling us about
the incident at the studio
272
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when she was going
through the different rooms
273
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looking for... Azriel.
274
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She knocked on every one of the doors.
275
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She said there was girls
and stuff in other rooms,
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but, like, they couldn't talk.
They wouldn't say anything.
277
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She noticed buckets in the
corner of every room,
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and she said that it looked like
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they were using the buckets
to use the bathroom in.
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I was like,
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why would you go from being
able to use your own bathroom
282
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to going in a room where
you have to pee in a corner?
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You have to pee in a pitcher.
284
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And then got to, whenever he tells you,
285
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you can go and dump the
piss, you can go dump it.
286
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Why do you think
287
00:13:01,681 --> 00:13:05,049
your daughter,
A'Iceis, changed her story?
288
00:13:05,152 --> 00:13:07,252
- It was because he had threatened...
- Yeah.
289
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He had threatened her and us, and...
290
00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:13,291
You know, he could make it bad
for your family, and, yeah,
291
00:13:13,326 --> 00:13:15,393
maybe your mom and your
father and this and that.
292
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So I could see her
taking that into consideration
293
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and think she's looking out for us,
294
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you know, saving her parents.
295
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But I wish she wouldn't
have. I wish she would've
296
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told me right then and there, you know?
297
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So, Azriel was with him.
298
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You know, we're a very
close-knit family.
299
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Very. We're very open,
300
00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:41,452
so she could've talked to us
about anything, so for her
301
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to leave her family
was mind-blowing for us.
302
00:13:45,325 --> 00:13:48,293
I called the number that I had for her
303
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three or four times a day.
304
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I don't get an answer,
305
00:13:51,064 --> 00:13:52,897
don't get a reply. I text.
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When you have a child
that's lost and passed away,
307
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you know, you know they're gone,
308
00:13:58,038 --> 00:13:59,671
like, you're never gonna see them again,
309
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but this is a little bit different,
310
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because I know she's somewhere.
311
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It's just that he won't
allow her to talk to me.
312
00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:11,182
She fell in love with someone
that is a predator.
313
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It's heartbreaking.
314
00:14:28,735 --> 00:14:32,971
The last time that we saw
Azriel was at her graduation
315
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from high school in 2016.
316
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After Azriel turned 18,
317
00:14:39,246 --> 00:14:42,847
we started having all kinds
of people from social media,
318
00:14:42,883 --> 00:14:45,884
just from everywhere, reaching
out to us, anonymously,
319
00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:49,554
saying... you know, all this
was going on with our daughter,
320
00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:52,590
and that we needed to
get her away from him.
321
00:14:54,294 --> 00:14:58,329
Okay, why you didn't
tell us that when she was 17?
322
00:14:58,365 --> 00:15:01,065
And so, this anonymous person
323
00:15:01,101 --> 00:15:03,701
actually put us in touch
with the Savages.
324
00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:05,570
One of their daughters,
Joycelyn, who was 19
325
00:15:05,605 --> 00:15:07,338
at the time when she met R. Kelly,
326
00:15:07,374 --> 00:15:09,374
is also one of the young ladies
327
00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:12,110
that is with R. Kelly in his sex cult.
328
00:15:14,748 --> 00:15:17,849
To meet Tim and his wife...
329
00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:21,519
that was a kind of relief
as a parent, to finally
330
00:15:21,621 --> 00:15:23,922
meet somebody who actually
has gone through
331
00:15:23,957 --> 00:15:26,190
what we're going through,
because all the people
332
00:15:26,293 --> 00:15:29,027
that was around us, they could
say, "Oh, we understand".
333
00:15:29,129 --> 00:15:30,595
You don't understand.
334
00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:33,031
Nobody could ever understand
what it feels like
335
00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:36,134
to have a child
that's living and breathing,
336
00:15:36,169 --> 00:15:39,437
and you can't see 'em.
337
00:15:44,978 --> 00:15:48,046
I had word that Joycelyn was
338
00:15:48,081 --> 00:15:50,381
at the Atlanta house in Johns Creek.
339
00:15:50,417 --> 00:15:54,085
And we wanted to do a wellness check.
340
00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,454
So, a wellness check
341
00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:58,756
is when you can call the police
342
00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:02,660
to check on someone that
you have not had contact with,
343
00:16:02,696 --> 00:16:05,730
and you're concerned
about the person's well-being.
344
00:16:05,832 --> 00:16:07,732
We're in front of R. Kelly's house.
345
00:16:07,834 --> 00:16:09,968
We're trying to check on
our daughter, Joycelyn Savage.
346
00:16:10,003 --> 00:16:12,770
Make sure my sister,
Joycelyn Savage, is okay.
347
00:16:12,806 --> 00:16:15,740
And... we're gonna do what we have to do
348
00:16:15,842 --> 00:16:17,375
to make sure my daughter...
349
00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:19,410
No bruises, no nothing on her body.
350
00:16:19,512 --> 00:16:21,579
We just want to make sure she's fine.
351
00:16:21,681 --> 00:16:24,482
If she won't come to us at the
concert, we're gonna go to her.
352
00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:27,251
We're gonna make sure that we see her.
353
00:16:27,287 --> 00:16:32,223
There's about four, five
police cars here already.
354
00:16:32,359 --> 00:16:35,059
At that time... she wasn't there.
355
00:16:35,195 --> 00:16:37,628
Uh, we talked to the police department,
356
00:16:37,664 --> 00:16:40,531
did a writ... written statement,
me and my wife.
357
00:16:40,567 --> 00:16:43,401
The Savages hadn't talked
to their daughter, either,
358
00:16:43,536 --> 00:16:45,370
for a while, so, they were like,
359
00:16:45,405 --> 00:16:47,538
"Let's get together to try
to do whatever we could
360
00:16:47,574 --> 00:16:49,340
"to get our girls home,
361
00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:51,676
"and to help other young ladies
so they won't fall victim.
362
00:16:51,711 --> 00:16:54,479
Let's see if we can get Chicago
to do a wellness check".
363
00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:57,815
I was told about the
wellness checks being done at
364
00:16:57,851 --> 00:17:02,954
the house in Atlanta, as well
as the studio in Chicago.
365
00:17:02,989 --> 00:17:04,822
R. Kelly knew about the wellness check
366
00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:08,126
in Chicago before it happened,
because he has friends
367
00:17:08,228 --> 00:17:12,764
in the police department
in Chicago who warned them.
368
00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:26,944
The police officer went
and talked to the girls.
369
00:17:27,047 --> 00:17:28,646
He told the Savages
about their daughter,
370
00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:30,548
and then he told us about our daughter.
371
00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:32,383
Um, he basically said
372
00:17:32,419 --> 00:17:34,685
both of the girls were okay,
they looked healthy,
373
00:17:34,721 --> 00:17:37,288
but at the end of the day,
that doesn't mean anything.
374
00:17:37,424 --> 00:17:39,190
My daughter is still not home with me.
375
00:17:39,225 --> 00:17:43,127
My daughter is being mistreated.
376
00:17:43,229 --> 00:17:44,495
We really want to know
what is he hiding?
377
00:17:44,597 --> 00:17:46,030
What are you really hiding?
378
00:17:46,066 --> 00:17:47,732
Why won't you let us see our daughter?
379
00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:49,567
Throughout this whole process...
380
00:17:49,602 --> 00:17:52,236
initially, I had told you,
we had people come out
381
00:17:52,272 --> 00:17:55,039
anonymously and tell us that,
you know, what was going on
382
00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:56,674
with Azriel once she turned 18.
383
00:17:56,709 --> 00:17:58,876
We have people coming back,
other young ladies,
384
00:17:58,912 --> 00:18:00,978
that's telling us stuff.
I mean, this is crazy.
385
00:18:01,081 --> 00:18:04,082
This man is a monster.
That's what he is.
386
00:18:06,219 --> 00:18:08,319
I remember reading about the Savages and
387
00:18:08,455 --> 00:18:11,522
the Clarys and their desperation
to get their daughters home.
388
00:18:11,624 --> 00:18:15,259
And while I wasn't surprised,
I was surprised.
389
00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:17,595
We've seen such a progression
from the...
390
00:18:17,630 --> 00:18:19,397
from the very first allegations
391
00:18:19,432 --> 00:18:21,999
we heard of, of him picking
up young girls
392
00:18:22,102 --> 00:18:23,534
and having sex with them,
393
00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:25,103
to now.
394
00:18:25,138 --> 00:18:26,737
He's still engaging in this behavior,
395
00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:28,706
but it feels like he's being more clever
396
00:18:28,808 --> 00:18:31,242
about the ways that he...
397
00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:33,711
preys on this community of girls.
398
00:18:33,813 --> 00:18:36,614
Getting girls who are right over the age
399
00:18:36,649 --> 00:18:38,716
so people can't technically say
400
00:18:38,751 --> 00:18:41,119
that you're with an underage girl.
401
00:18:45,158 --> 00:18:47,191
The house in Atlanta,
402
00:18:47,327 --> 00:18:50,928
the main house, is the house
where he stays, and the girls
403
00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:53,397
lived in the house, as well.
404
00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:56,467
In the house,
405
00:18:56,503 --> 00:18:59,270
Azriel kind of had precedence
over the other girls
406
00:18:59,305 --> 00:19:04,142
when it came to where he slept
at night, or whatever
407
00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:05,643
he considered his night.
408
00:19:05,678 --> 00:19:07,111
That's the room he would sleep in.
409
00:19:07,147 --> 00:19:09,280
She's the girl he would go to bed with.
410
00:19:09,315 --> 00:19:14,852
In the beginning, Joycelyn was
back and forth to school.
411
00:19:16,523 --> 00:19:19,991
The trainer was a girl
that lived in the house.
412
00:19:20,026 --> 00:19:21,959
She had been there the longest.
413
00:19:21,995 --> 00:19:24,162
She's the girl he really trusts.
414
00:19:24,197 --> 00:19:29,367
Her responsibility was to train
all the girls who he brought in.
415
00:19:29,402 --> 00:19:31,569
Any girl that R. Kelly slept with,
416
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:35,473
she slept with them, as well.
417
00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:41,412
He has a certain type of woman
or girl that he will bring
418
00:19:41,548 --> 00:19:44,282
into the house to live,
but as far as a woman
419
00:19:44,317 --> 00:19:46,984
that he would just mess around with...
420
00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:49,487
he don't really have a type.
421
00:19:49,522 --> 00:19:53,457
Before the girls even become a
permanent fixture in the house,
422
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,594
he gets a feel of where
they are mentally.
423
00:19:56,696 --> 00:19:59,997
If he meets a woman and then
finds out she has it going on,
424
00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:02,733
then that's the girl
who's just gonna come and go.
425
00:20:05,038 --> 00:20:08,206
If the girl seems like she's weak,
426
00:20:08,241 --> 00:20:10,441
she don't really have
the family's support,
427
00:20:10,577 --> 00:20:12,843
or no one's gonna come asking questions,
428
00:20:12,879 --> 00:20:15,213
or he's even able to
manipulate the family...
429
00:20:15,248 --> 00:20:18,049
that's the girl he's gonna
bring into the house.
430
00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:22,687
The girls who are in
the house are girls who are
431
00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,723
just totally dependent on him.
432
00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:32,129
He'd go for the younger girls
433
00:20:32,265 --> 00:20:34,131
because they are weak-minded,
434
00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:37,368
but if you're older, and he
feels like you're weak-minded,
435
00:20:37,403 --> 00:20:39,203
he's gonna go for you, too.
436
00:20:39,239 --> 00:20:42,073
It doesn't matter if you're
16 or if you're 40.
437
00:20:42,108 --> 00:20:44,208
If you can contr...
If he could control you,
438
00:20:44,244 --> 00:20:45,743
that's all he wants.
439
00:20:48,214 --> 00:20:50,381
I was that die-hard fan.
440
00:20:50,416 --> 00:20:53,050
If you said anything bad about him,
441
00:20:53,086 --> 00:20:54,885
I would put you out of my house.
442
00:20:54,921 --> 00:20:56,354
I would, like...
443
00:20:56,456 --> 00:20:58,256
I would just stop all communication.
444
00:21:00,426 --> 00:21:03,527
When I first met R. Kelly,
I was just shell-shocked.
445
00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:07,231
I was, like, really nervous,
446
00:21:07,267 --> 00:21:09,000
and, like, he was just real friendly,
447
00:21:09,135 --> 00:21:10,768
just, you know, talking openly.
448
00:21:10,803 --> 00:21:12,703
Laughing, telling jokes, and I'd laugh.
449
00:21:13,973 --> 00:21:16,173
R. Kelly and I started dating.
450
00:21:16,309 --> 00:21:19,343
Officially, for us, it was 2014.
451
00:21:22,248 --> 00:21:24,849
It-it was really like
a high for me, because I...
452
00:21:24,984 --> 00:21:26,717
'cause, again, it's R. Kelly.
453
00:21:26,753 --> 00:21:28,886
So it was like, I'm engaging
in conversation,
454
00:21:28,921 --> 00:21:30,521
texting with R. Kelly.
455
00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:34,225
In the beginning,
456
00:21:34,327 --> 00:21:37,028
he gave me some of the rules,
but not all of the rules.
457
00:21:37,163 --> 00:21:39,530
He pretty much let me know
that he had other girls.
458
00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:41,732
I had to accept it.
If I couldn't accept it,
459
00:21:41,768 --> 00:21:44,135
then there's no need
for us to even try anything.
460
00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:48,372
At the time, knowing that
461
00:21:48,508 --> 00:21:50,107
I was not the only woman in his life...
462
00:21:50,143 --> 00:21:51,575
I was okay with it because
463
00:21:51,678 --> 00:21:53,611
I felt like he was honest.
464
00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:55,613
I was married before,
465
00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:57,915
and my husband... he was abusive,
466
00:21:58,017 --> 00:21:59,583
as well as he was a cheater.
467
00:21:59,619 --> 00:22:01,919
And I respected the fact
468
00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:03,988
that R. Kelly was honest to let me know
469
00:22:04,023 --> 00:22:06,290
that "it's not just
you that I'm seeing".
470
00:22:06,326 --> 00:22:09,560
So, it was just like a dream
come true, and it was like
471
00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:13,064
I was willing to do anything
to please him.
472
00:22:16,703 --> 00:22:18,502
When we started becoming intimate,
473
00:22:18,538 --> 00:22:20,504
I was living in my home in Atlanta,
474
00:22:20,540 --> 00:22:22,840
and he was living
in his home in Chicago.
475
00:22:24,544 --> 00:22:27,278
I would travel back
and forth to Chicago,
476
00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:29,680
or whatever city he
was at, as far as the tour.
477
00:22:31,050 --> 00:22:32,550
And then, he was also coming
478
00:22:32,585 --> 00:22:34,018
to Atlanta a lot, as well, because
479
00:22:34,053 --> 00:22:36,620
he was using someone's studio
and playing basketball.
480
00:22:36,656 --> 00:22:39,957
And so, I was with him
481
00:22:39,992 --> 00:22:42,026
when he was in Atlanta.
482
00:22:43,529 --> 00:22:46,564
As a fly-in, it was normal life.
483
00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:49,166
Just me and him, two consensual
adults having sex.
484
00:22:49,202 --> 00:22:51,168
Nothing out of the ordinary.
485
00:22:51,204 --> 00:22:54,638
Two years within our relationship,
486
00:22:54,741 --> 00:22:56,774
I started seeing the changes
487
00:22:56,876 --> 00:22:58,876
when he invited me
to move into his house.
488
00:22:58,911 --> 00:23:00,444
The way he invited me...
489
00:23:00,580 --> 00:23:02,546
Well, he didn't invite me. He told me.
490
00:23:04,684 --> 00:23:07,651
I went to his tour in Houston, Texas,
491
00:23:07,754 --> 00:23:09,787
and I'm thinking I'm about
to fly home, and I was told
492
00:23:09,922 --> 00:23:11,856
by one of his assistants, "You
need to go get your clothes,
493
00:23:11,891 --> 00:23:13,290
"'cause you're gonna end up
494
00:23:13,426 --> 00:23:14,692
in the next city without any clothes".
495
00:23:14,727 --> 00:23:17,194
I was like, "Huh? What do you mean?"
496
00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:19,663
So, I got my suitcase
and got on the bus.
497
00:23:21,534 --> 00:23:24,902
And we ended up in Atlanta
at his house, in Johns Creek.
498
00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:28,439
He said, "Welcome home, my babies".
499
00:23:28,474 --> 00:23:30,241
And he opened the door,
500
00:23:30,276 --> 00:23:31,742
and I'm like, "Welcome home?"
501
00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:33,477
So he gave us a tour of his house,
502
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:35,379
showed me my bedroom,
shows us all our bedrooms.
503
00:23:35,415 --> 00:23:37,014
And he told, you know,
504
00:23:37,116 --> 00:23:39,683
us to go ahead and go in
your room, put your clothes up.
505
00:23:42,422 --> 00:23:46,424
I didn't start ha-having to ask
R. Kelly for permission for...
506
00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:49,727
to eat and stuff until he
actually moved me in the house.
507
00:23:51,631 --> 00:23:53,931
It was just like a nightmare.
508
00:23:59,806 --> 00:24:01,772
Robert has to strategically
509
00:24:01,808 --> 00:24:04,208
spread his money out
and pay certain bills,
510
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:06,210
uh, because he's lost money.
511
00:24:06,245 --> 00:24:09,680
He don't have the income coming
in like he has previously,
512
00:24:09,816 --> 00:24:13,350
so he did get evicted
from the house in Atlanta.
513
00:24:20,827 --> 00:24:23,093
Just being here
514
00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:25,529
and just seeing this door
is about to bring back
515
00:24:25,631 --> 00:24:27,264
a whole bunch of memories
516
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,600
that I never thought I had to revisit.
517
00:24:35,274 --> 00:24:37,341
Wow.
518
00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:43,147
This looks totally different
519
00:24:43,182 --> 00:24:44,982
from when... the last time I was here.
520
00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:51,555
So, upstairs is where all
of the bedrooms are,
521
00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:53,657
other than his bedroom.
522
00:24:57,630 --> 00:24:59,630
Right here,
523
00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:03,501
this is my bedroom right here.
524
00:25:03,536 --> 00:25:06,170
I don't think I want to go in there.
525
00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:09,874
I'm gonna just show you
guys the other bedrooms.
526
00:25:16,315 --> 00:25:18,315
In my opinion,
527
00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:20,551
I feel like this is the wickedest part.
528
00:25:20,586 --> 00:25:22,586
The whole room was black.
529
00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:24,822
He had black curtains.
530
00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:27,925
He had, basically...
Furniture was black.
531
00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:31,428
And right here in the middle
was the actual bed.
532
00:25:31,564 --> 00:25:33,597
And I just really feel like...
533
00:25:33,699 --> 00:25:35,699
this room right here...
534
00:25:35,735 --> 00:25:37,835
...besides my bedroom,
535
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:42,106
was, like, the most degrading thing ever
536
00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:43,974
for... I mean, it's, like...
537
00:25:44,076 --> 00:25:45,776
things that happened in here
538
00:25:45,912 --> 00:25:48,445
that you wouldn't even
think that would happen,
539
00:25:48,548 --> 00:25:51,782
but you had to pretty much agree to it.
540
00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:55,352
No matter how demeaning
it felt or seemed,
541
00:25:55,388 --> 00:25:57,821
you had to always
just play along with it.
542
00:25:57,857 --> 00:25:59,990
And it was just, like, you had Rob
543
00:26:00,026 --> 00:26:02,860
pretty much, like,
making you do the unthinkable.
544
00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:05,296
And I just feel like...
I never thought that I would
545
00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:08,699
ever come back to this house
and especially this room.
546
00:26:08,734 --> 00:26:10,868
I never realized
547
00:26:10,903 --> 00:26:13,871
how much this room hurts me.
548
00:26:13,906 --> 00:26:16,874
But a-actually coming in here,
549
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:20,077
I don't want to ever revisit
this room again.
550
00:26:29,255 --> 00:26:30,888
This is just...
551
00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:46,270
I remember, at times,
552
00:26:46,372 --> 00:26:47,338
coming out of my room.
553
00:26:47,373 --> 00:26:49,673
In order to come down my steps,
554
00:26:49,709 --> 00:26:52,943
I had to beat for him
555
00:26:53,045 --> 00:26:55,546
to actually give me permission.
And when I say "beat,"
556
00:26:55,581 --> 00:26:57,514
I literally had to do this...
557
00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:59,183
...for him to hear me.
558
00:26:59,218 --> 00:27:02,853
It's been times where
I've knocked for hours,
559
00:27:02,888 --> 00:27:06,023
and he just did not respond.
560
00:27:09,862 --> 00:27:12,663
A person don't love you if
he's treating you like that.
561
00:27:12,698 --> 00:27:14,932
And I just knew I had to get out.
562
00:27:15,034 --> 00:27:18,402
So I packed my bags and left the house.
563
00:27:21,907 --> 00:27:25,476
Before I actually met him personally...
564
00:27:25,578 --> 00:27:27,511
I guess because I was
just so much of that fan...
565
00:27:27,546 --> 00:27:30,648
I just couldn't see him
as being that monster.
566
00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:33,717
But now, actually being in that house
567
00:27:33,753 --> 00:27:36,720
and witnessing with my own eyes,
568
00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:40,257
I regret not listening and believing
569
00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:42,359
of the allegations that happened.
570
00:27:42,395 --> 00:27:46,730
There is a difference
between R. Kelly and Robert.
571
00:27:46,766 --> 00:27:51,101
R. Kelly is this fun,
laughing, loving guy.
572
00:27:52,071 --> 00:27:54,371
But Robert is the devil.
573
00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:03,347
Mute R. Kelly started
in the summer of 2017,
574
00:28:03,449 --> 00:28:06,183
when the allegations came
out about him having
575
00:28:06,285 --> 00:28:07,685
what the media were calling sex cults
576
00:28:07,787 --> 00:28:09,319
in his home here in Atlanta.
577
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:13,824
The goals of Mute R. Kelly in
the beginning were very humble.
578
00:28:13,926 --> 00:28:16,093
It was, "Let's get him
off Atlanta radio".
579
00:28:18,297 --> 00:28:20,764
"And let's get his concerts cancelled".
580
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,599
I thought that that would be
a really, kind of, simple ask,
581
00:28:22,635 --> 00:28:24,635
with the 25 years of receipts
582
00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:26,136
that we have against this person.
583
00:28:26,172 --> 00:28:28,572
Um, and that was met
with resounding silence.
584
00:28:28,607 --> 00:28:30,874
Um, you know, the radio stations
would not respond,
585
00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:32,743
would not call me back.
586
00:28:32,778 --> 00:28:35,179
We'd been playing R. Kelly music
and hearing these rumors
587
00:28:35,281 --> 00:28:38,615
and sometimes accusations
of-of R. Kelly.
588
00:28:38,651 --> 00:28:42,619
But radio has always
just concentrated on the music
589
00:28:42,655 --> 00:28:45,122
and not the... and not the background.
590
00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:46,890
And that is our fault.
591
00:28:46,992 --> 00:28:48,926
At the same time, we discovered
that he was...
592
00:28:48,961 --> 00:28:50,594
had a concert coming up in Atlanta.
593
00:28:52,832 --> 00:28:54,465
And so we decided to...
594
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:55,899
to protest.
595
00:28:55,935 --> 00:28:58,202
What'd we come to do?
596
00:28:58,337 --> 00:28:59,436
Mute R. Kelly!
597
00:28:59,472 --> 00:29:01,371
And when we gonna do it?
598
00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:02,940
Now!
599
00:29:03,843 --> 00:29:05,309
The response
600
00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:09,179
was very, kind of, polarized, I think,
601
00:29:09,215 --> 00:29:10,647
as the black community is on R. Kelly.
602
00:29:10,683 --> 00:29:12,649
R. Kelly!
603
00:29:12,685 --> 00:29:14,585
You know, he's been the same for years.
604
00:29:14,687 --> 00:29:15,786
Who are we to judge?
605
00:29:15,821 --> 00:29:18,455
The protestors don't affect anything.
606
00:29:18,491 --> 00:29:20,591
And then, on the other
hand, people are like,
607
00:29:20,693 --> 00:29:22,226
"Hallelujah, finally,
somebody's doing something".
608
00:29:22,328 --> 00:29:23,627
And from there,
609
00:29:23,662 --> 00:29:25,496
people started
reaching us out, like, "Hey,
610
00:29:25,531 --> 00:29:26,830
he's coming to Dallas".
611
00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:27,965
"He's coming to Detroit".
612
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,066
"What can we do?"
613
00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:32,469
They fought back and said,
614
00:29:32,505 --> 00:29:34,738
"We do not want him performing here".
615
00:29:36,542 --> 00:29:38,308
- Shame on you!
- Shame on you!
616
00:29:38,344 --> 00:29:40,511
- Shame on you!
- Shame on you!
617
00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:42,412
- Black girls'...
- Black girls'...
618
00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:44,681
- lives matter!
- lives matter!
619
00:29:44,717 --> 00:29:46,750
I am a-a R. Kelly fan.
620
00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:48,418
There's two sides to every story.
621
00:29:48,554 --> 00:29:49,486
I'm here for the music
622
00:29:49,522 --> 00:29:50,521
and nothing else.
623
00:29:50,556 --> 00:29:52,356
And so we started to organize
624
00:29:52,391 --> 00:29:54,491
the people locally in those towns,
625
00:29:54,527 --> 00:29:56,627
to hold protests,
626
00:29:56,729 --> 00:29:58,595
to ask venues to cancel it.
627
00:29:59,732 --> 00:30:01,698
We've held seven protests
628
00:30:01,734 --> 00:30:03,600
in cities around the country.
629
00:30:03,702 --> 00:30:04,868
R. Kelly may have to find
630
00:30:04,904 --> 00:30:07,271
a new spot to hold his next concert.
631
00:30:07,373 --> 00:30:08,739
And it's, you know, just
grown and grown and grown.
632
00:30:10,576 --> 00:30:13,143
Kelly says he and his attorneys plan
633
00:30:13,245 --> 00:30:15,012
to get to the bottom of the cancellation
634
00:30:15,047 --> 00:30:16,914
of his performance.
635
00:30:17,883 --> 00:30:20,050
In 2017,
636
00:30:20,085 --> 00:30:22,452
these two big stories
come out about R. Kelly,
637
00:30:22,555 --> 00:30:26,223
around him holding the girls captive.
638
00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:27,991
And it falls right into
this continuum of stories
639
00:30:28,093 --> 00:30:30,427
that have come out
around sexual misconduct,
640
00:30:30,462 --> 00:30:33,230
sexual harassment in
mainstream industries.
641
00:30:33,265 --> 00:30:35,032
And in September, we have the huge
642
00:30:35,067 --> 00:30:36,567
Harvey Weinstein articles drop,
643
00:30:36,602 --> 00:30:38,769
which propelled this whole
movement forward.
644
00:30:38,804 --> 00:30:41,872
And R. Kelly doesn't
get included in that.
645
00:30:41,907 --> 00:30:43,974
Jerhonda Pace broke her
NDA around R. Kelly,
646
00:30:44,109 --> 00:30:46,510
and I wanted to shine light on that
647
00:30:46,612 --> 00:30:48,512
and continue to keep the conversation
about R. Kelly
648
00:30:48,547 --> 00:30:51,748
and the accusations
against him in the public eye.
649
00:30:51,784 --> 00:30:54,585
- Like, I was 16. I didn't know...
- Were you scared? What was
650
00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:55,586
running through your head?
651
00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:56,553
Yeah, how were you feeling
when all that was happening?
652
00:30:56,589 --> 00:30:59,356
Very frightened. And,
like, he would slap you
653
00:30:59,458 --> 00:31:03,227
in your face, and he would
physically, like, harm you.
654
00:31:03,262 --> 00:31:06,697
There are six women
that R. Kelly... allegedly...
655
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,833
lives with and controls them.
656
00:31:09,935 --> 00:31:12,002
When usually one person comes forward,
657
00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:14,271
the door kind of opens. We
saw this with #MeToo.
658
00:31:14,306 --> 00:31:16,707
The question here is why does R. Kelly
659
00:31:16,809 --> 00:31:19,276
always survive this? And
the second biggest question
660
00:31:19,311 --> 00:31:22,446
is why is the black community
complicit in silence?
661
00:31:22,481 --> 00:31:25,883
If them kids were Caucasian young women,
662
00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:29,686
we would not be going through this.
663
00:31:29,788 --> 00:31:32,422
The most disrespected woman
in America, historically,
664
00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:34,291
has always been the black woman.
665
00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:37,060
You know, I always say, if you
want to get away with murder,
666
00:31:37,162 --> 00:31:38,562
kill a black rapper.
667
00:31:38,664 --> 00:31:39,930
If you want to get away
with sexual assault,
668
00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:42,399
assault a young black girl.
669
00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:45,969
If R. Kelly had been doing this
to white women... oh, my God.
670
00:31:46,005 --> 00:31:47,771
The fact that it's mostly
young black girls
671
00:31:47,806 --> 00:31:51,241
that he preys on, simply nobody cares.
672
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:54,144
These families came forward
673
00:31:54,179 --> 00:31:57,447
and were making desperate pleas
to get their children back,
674
00:31:57,483 --> 00:31:59,416
to get their-their daughters back home
675
00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:01,285
and away from R. Kelly.
676
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,789
We've been watching them since
they came forward in 2017,
677
00:32:05,824 --> 00:32:08,225
tried various attempts
to get media attention,
678
00:32:08,327 --> 00:32:09,860
but it doesn't take hold.
679
00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:12,596
And again, I think that goes
back into this idea that
680
00:32:12,698 --> 00:32:14,932
black girls don't matter.
681
00:32:15,034 --> 00:32:17,000
They don't matter enough.
682
00:32:17,036 --> 00:32:19,102
And it's proven over and over again.
683
00:32:19,138 --> 00:32:23,540
We still socially don't perceive
young black women as innocent,
684
00:32:23,575 --> 00:32:26,443
as deserving of protection,
somehow it's their fault.
685
00:32:26,478 --> 00:32:28,512
When the reality is that
the problem isn't the girls,
686
00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:31,815
the problem is the predators.
687
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:33,617
The way that we in society talk about
688
00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:35,485
and think about sexual
violence, a lot of times
689
00:32:35,521 --> 00:32:37,187
it puts the onus on the victim.
690
00:32:37,222 --> 00:32:41,525
People are brainwashed into
thinking that they have
691
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,627
some complicity in their own abuse.
692
00:32:43,662 --> 00:32:47,831
And so they don't come forward
because of the deep shame,
693
00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:50,167
the fear of being ostracized
in their community.
694
00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:51,435
There are all these different factors
695
00:32:51,537 --> 00:32:52,703
that allow people to stay silent.
696
00:32:52,738 --> 00:32:54,671
We're not blaming R. Kelly
697
00:32:54,707 --> 00:32:55,806
for what he's doing,
698
00:32:55,908 --> 00:32:57,874
we're blaming each other.
699
00:32:57,910 --> 00:33:00,277
When you have fans like myself,
700
00:33:00,412 --> 00:33:02,479
when I was that fan, that die-hard fan,
701
00:33:02,581 --> 00:33:04,381
and I just felt like,
"Oh, these girls are lying".
702
00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:06,316
People who stand up
703
00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:09,619
and say, "I've been victimized.
I've been sexually abused,"
704
00:33:09,722 --> 00:33:14,224
we, as-as a society, tend
to meet it with skepticism.
705
00:33:14,259 --> 00:33:17,361
Because there have been cases
where people have lied.
706
00:33:17,396 --> 00:33:20,998
What do these young ladies
have to gain from lying?
707
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,899
Oh, it's not like R.
Kelly is some rich billionaire
708
00:33:22,935 --> 00:33:25,235
that's just out here cutting
checks to everybody.
709
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:26,503
It seems to me like
some of these young ladies
710
00:33:26,605 --> 00:33:28,138
just want to see the truth.
711
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,407
And I think with the whole
Time's Up/Me Too movement,
712
00:33:30,442 --> 00:33:32,209
and they see everybody else, you know,
713
00:33:32,244 --> 00:33:35,879
getting their careers cancelled
and people getting convicted,
714
00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:37,714
they're like, "Yo, well,
we want some justice, too.
715
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:40,217
"Can we use some of this
Time's Up/Me Too movement energy
716
00:33:40,252 --> 00:33:42,285
to get-get him, get him gone?"
717
00:33:42,321 --> 00:33:45,055
R. Kelly's victims,
nobody just cares about the...
718
00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:47,657
the black women that speak out,
especially the black community.
719
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,927
It's the black community
that bashes the black women
720
00:33:50,963 --> 00:33:52,629
that speak out about abuse.
721
00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:54,965
You have this, you know, powerful person
722
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,934
that's beloved in the African-American
community.
723
00:33:57,970 --> 00:34:00,404
And then you have a victim
that nobody cares about.
724
00:34:00,439 --> 00:34:04,241
Um, and the greater society
perpetuates stereotypes
725
00:34:04,276 --> 00:34:07,244
about black women that
internally you start to believe.
726
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,546
We'll believe it if it's
a convenient excuse
727
00:34:09,648 --> 00:34:13,050
not to have to deal with
the reality of R. Kelly,
728
00:34:13,085 --> 00:34:16,319
and how we've been supporting
and enabling him for decades.
729
00:34:19,124 --> 00:34:21,291
A woman is suing singer-songwriter
730
00:34:21,326 --> 00:34:23,627
R. Kelly for allegedly
failing to disclose
731
00:34:23,662 --> 00:34:25,362
a sexually transmitted disease.
732
00:34:25,497 --> 00:34:27,764
She also accuses him of sexual battery.
733
00:34:34,173 --> 00:34:35,972
This woman, Faith
Rodgers, says that she was
734
00:34:36,008 --> 00:34:39,276
in a relationship with
R. Kelly when she was 19
735
00:34:39,311 --> 00:34:41,478
for nearly a year before leaving.
736
00:34:43,482 --> 00:34:47,918
My name is Faith, and I met
R. Kelly in March of 2017.
737
00:34:47,953 --> 00:34:50,320
He kind of had, like, a goofiness to him
738
00:34:50,355 --> 00:34:52,222
when I initially met him.
739
00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:59,663
I knew he was older, but when
he gave me his number,
740
00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:01,598
I wasn't thinking
741
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,868
things would be where they are,
um, almost a year later.
742
00:35:04,903 --> 00:35:07,270
He really was persistent,
and he would call me,
743
00:35:07,372 --> 00:35:10,273
and we would just
talk about regular things.
744
00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:11,975
I was flattered.
745
00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:17,848
Nothing ever came
off as... negative to me
746
00:35:17,883 --> 00:35:19,850
in our conversations in the beginning.
747
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:28,191
So, the next time I saw
R. Kelly was in May of 2017.
748
00:35:28,227 --> 00:35:31,461
I flew to New York for a show.
749
00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:36,867
So, after the show, I
went back to the room,
750
00:35:36,902 --> 00:35:40,770
ended up falling asleep. At 6:00 a.m.,
751
00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:42,105
pounding at the door.
752
00:35:42,207 --> 00:35:44,441
Pounding, not knocking.
He's pounding at the door.
753
00:35:46,445 --> 00:35:48,145
Our conversations had been so great,
754
00:35:48,247 --> 00:35:50,080
I expected the first encounter
to go different.
755
00:35:52,384 --> 00:35:54,951
It was consensual, but it was consented
756
00:35:55,053 --> 00:35:56,520
by intimidation.
757
00:35:56,555 --> 00:36:01,158
I felt just, like,
something I had to do,
758
00:36:01,193 --> 00:36:02,392
not that I wanted to do,
759
00:36:02,427 --> 00:36:05,028
but I had to do because it was R. Kelly.
760
00:36:05,063 --> 00:36:08,298
And who are you to tell R. Kelly no?
761
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,869
He's the type of person...
He's very demanding.
762
00:36:12,905 --> 00:36:15,172
He's like a director,
and this is his movie.
763
00:36:15,274 --> 00:36:18,408
So, he's-he's like, "Do you like it?"
764
00:36:18,443 --> 00:36:19,910
And I'm not responding.
765
00:36:19,945 --> 00:36:21,678
And he's like, "Tell Daddy you like it".
766
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:23,747
And I'm still not responding.
767
00:36:23,782 --> 00:36:26,716
And he's like, "We need to work
on your moaning skills".
768
00:36:26,752 --> 00:36:29,753
So, right away, he's critiquing me.
769
00:36:29,788 --> 00:36:34,824
And the whole time, you know,
he's-he's saying really...
770
00:36:34,927 --> 00:36:37,360
perverted things, almost.
771
00:36:37,462 --> 00:36:40,063
Um, he's like,
"Young... young tight pussy,"
772
00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:41,364
and things like that.
773
00:36:41,466 --> 00:36:43,767
And so, eventually, he stops.
774
00:36:43,802 --> 00:36:48,004
And I look back, and there's an iPad.
775
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:50,373
And I just turn my head away, you know.
776
00:36:50,475 --> 00:36:52,142
I didn't want my face to be on it.
777
00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:01,384
Two months went by.
778
00:37:01,486 --> 00:37:07,290
The BuzzFeed thing about the
harem, that came out in July.
779
00:37:07,326 --> 00:37:12,929
I knew he was intimidating...
but these allegations came out.
780
00:37:12,965 --> 00:37:15,432
And they sounded so extreme.
781
00:37:15,467 --> 00:37:17,267
How could he kidnap somebody?
782
00:37:17,302 --> 00:37:20,437
How could he abuse somebody
and beat them?
783
00:37:20,472 --> 00:37:22,038
It was just twisted.
784
00:37:22,174 --> 00:37:24,241
So I was really sitting there, confused.
785
00:37:24,276 --> 00:37:27,077
The only conversation we had
about it was him saying,
786
00:37:27,179 --> 00:37:29,546
"It's not true". That these were lies.
787
00:37:34,019 --> 00:37:38,255
Closer to the end of the year, December,
788
00:37:38,357 --> 00:37:41,191
I had flown down for
his concert in Dallas.
789
00:37:41,226 --> 00:37:42,926
We were in a hotel room.
790
00:37:43,028 --> 00:37:46,663
He kind of had gone
on this emotional spiel,
791
00:37:46,698 --> 00:37:49,099
you know... about life.
792
00:37:49,201 --> 00:37:52,902
And then he revealed to
me about "the girls".
793
00:37:53,005 --> 00:37:54,671
He described them to be a family.
794
00:37:54,706 --> 00:37:56,773
He made it seem like a family thing.
795
00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:58,675
Um, "These are women that I raise.
796
00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:00,443
"Some have been with me for 15 years.
797
00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:02,212
Some of them have been
with me for five years".
798
00:38:02,247 --> 00:38:03,980
So he's sitting there and he's thinking,
799
00:38:04,016 --> 00:38:05,215
and I can see him thinking 'cause he,
800
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:06,950
you know, he's like this.
801
00:38:07,052 --> 00:38:09,653
So I'm like, "What is he about
to do? Or ask me to do?"
802
00:38:09,688 --> 00:38:11,655
He makes a phone call, and he's like,
803
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:13,990
"Get dressed, we're coming downstairs".
804
00:38:14,026 --> 00:38:16,326
So I'm like, "Who are we going to see?"
805
00:38:16,361 --> 00:38:19,362
We go downstairs,
806
00:38:19,398 --> 00:38:21,531
and... he opens the door.
807
00:38:25,604 --> 00:38:27,871
And it's the girl I
saw in the TMZ stuff.
808
00:38:29,341 --> 00:38:31,474
I'm like, "Oh.
809
00:38:31,576 --> 00:38:35,745
She's the girl that her parents
said that she was kidnapped".
810
00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:44,788
We were in a hotel room.
811
00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:47,824
R. Kelly, he opens the door.
812
00:38:47,859 --> 00:38:51,328
And it's the girl I
saw in the TMZ stuff.
813
00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:53,830
I'm like, "Oh. She's the girl
814
00:38:53,865 --> 00:38:57,000
that her parents said
that she was kidnapped".
815
00:38:57,035 --> 00:39:00,270
She literally, like,
jumped up to him like a puppy,
816
00:39:00,372 --> 00:39:02,672
and kisses him on the mouth.
817
00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:09,012
Seeing Joycelyn do exactly
what he told her to do,
818
00:39:09,047 --> 00:39:10,914
she's not acting like a real person.
819
00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:12,682
She's acting like a robot.
820
00:39:12,718 --> 00:39:14,784
Everything he said was so funny.
821
00:39:14,886 --> 00:39:18,521
Or, you know, she was right
there, just like, in awe of him.
822
00:39:18,557 --> 00:39:20,490
And it's like, but when he would leave,
823
00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:22,292
she would just be numb.
824
00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:27,797
I wouldn't say she was kidnapped.
825
00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:29,966
Brainwashed? Yes, absolutely.
826
00:39:30,068 --> 00:39:32,969
Our clinical term for brainwashing
827
00:39:33,071 --> 00:39:34,371
is psychological manipulation.
828
00:39:34,406 --> 00:39:37,340
There's nothing
stopping you from leaving,
829
00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:40,143
but an individual might stay
because he or she might believe,
830
00:39:40,245 --> 00:39:41,578
"I can't get out of this situation".
831
00:39:46,084 --> 00:39:48,218
When I walked away from the situation,
832
00:39:48,253 --> 00:39:52,555
I didn't walk away because
things had gotten bad
833
00:39:52,591 --> 00:39:54,791
and, you know, he-he
didn't want to talk to me. No.
834
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:57,994
I had made a conscious decision
that I wasn't gonna
835
00:39:58,096 --> 00:40:02,198
involve myself with someone
who's doing this to young girls,
836
00:40:02,234 --> 00:40:04,501
and women, because that's not who I am.
837
00:40:04,603 --> 00:40:06,236
That's not what I stand for.
838
00:40:06,271 --> 00:40:10,073
I had cut ties with him in February.
839
00:40:10,108 --> 00:40:12,242
And I had no intentions
on getting back with him.
840
00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:13,576
I just wanted to move on.
841
00:40:13,612 --> 00:40:17,981
So after it was over and done with,
842
00:40:18,083 --> 00:40:20,950
I made the decision to reach
out to the Savages.
843
00:40:20,986 --> 00:40:24,154
I went to tell them about how it went
844
00:40:24,256 --> 00:40:26,189
with me meeting their daughter Joycelyn.
845
00:40:26,291 --> 00:40:29,859
When I... when I did meet her...
846
00:40:29,961 --> 00:40:32,362
like, she opened the door and like,
847
00:40:32,464 --> 00:40:34,264
he, like, looked at me
and he looked at her.
848
00:40:34,299 --> 00:40:37,033
And he was like, "I want y'all
to get to know each other".
849
00:40:37,135 --> 00:40:39,035
So...
850
00:40:39,137 --> 00:40:41,104
I was just like, "Okay".
851
00:40:41,139 --> 00:40:44,441
Because, you know, like seeing
all that stuff on the news,
852
00:40:44,476 --> 00:40:47,577
then, like, seeing her video
and then seeing her in person,
853
00:40:47,612 --> 00:40:50,947
like, it all was just really, like, wow.
854
00:40:50,982 --> 00:40:53,316
Like, this is real life.
855
00:40:53,351 --> 00:40:56,219
Right. I mean, it's not
a game... it's not a joke.
856
00:40:56,321 --> 00:40:57,787
If you're... if you were around
long enough, he would have
857
00:40:57,823 --> 00:40:59,956
cut you off from your father
and your entire family.
858
00:40:59,991 --> 00:41:02,058
And your old friends and everything.
859
00:41:07,032 --> 00:41:08,765
Of course they were upset, you know?
860
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,133
But they were like, "Thank you
861
00:41:10,168 --> 00:41:12,402
for telling us, we haven't seen her".
862
00:41:12,504 --> 00:41:14,137
And the fact that they had to ask me,
863
00:41:14,172 --> 00:41:16,940
"Well, what does she look
like? Was she skinnier?"
864
00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:18,274
Things like that,
you shouldn't have to ask
865
00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:19,843
about your own child.
866
00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:21,911
So that hit home for me,
and I couldn't imagine
867
00:41:22,013 --> 00:41:24,280
what my parents would feel
like if that were me.
868
00:41:25,884 --> 00:41:28,284
So from there, they begin to tell me
869
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,687
more disturbing things about R. Kelly.
870
00:41:30,722 --> 00:41:32,288
And Tim Savage,
871
00:41:32,324 --> 00:41:34,224
he asked me if I had
been checked for STDs
872
00:41:34,326 --> 00:41:35,758
since I've been with him.
873
00:41:35,861 --> 00:41:38,194
And I'm like, "Why?" and he's like,
874
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:41,498
"I know for a fact my daughter
has an incurable STD.
875
00:41:41,533 --> 00:41:43,833
And she got it from R. Kelly".
876
00:41:48,707 --> 00:41:51,808
After I reached out to the Savages,
877
00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,243
I went and got a blood test
878
00:41:53,345 --> 00:41:55,545
and it came back positive
879
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:58,047
for herpes.
880
00:41:59,718 --> 00:42:03,653
My initial reaction...
I wasn't angry at him.
881
00:42:03,688 --> 00:42:05,321
I was angry at myself.
882
00:42:05,357 --> 00:42:07,991
And I had already came
to a point where I decided,
883
00:42:08,026 --> 00:42:09,893
you know, I was done with him.
884
00:42:09,928 --> 00:42:12,629
And then, on the other hand, I was like,
885
00:42:12,731 --> 00:42:15,465
"If it were somebody in my city
886
00:42:15,567 --> 00:42:18,034
"and they gave me a-an
STD, I would address it.
887
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:22,205
I would pretty much make sure
they were held accountable".
888
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,041
So why not hold him
889
00:42:25,076 --> 00:42:28,678
on the same platform?
890
00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:32,649
I knew I had to spread the word.
891
00:42:32,751 --> 00:42:34,484
I wasn't gonna wait
892
00:42:34,586 --> 00:42:37,120
ten or 20 years to come out
and say he did that to me.
893
00:42:37,222 --> 00:42:38,988
I was gonna come out now.
894
00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:41,858
A young woman claimed singer R. Kelly
895
00:42:41,893 --> 00:42:44,327
intentionally gave her an STD,
896
00:42:44,429 --> 00:42:46,863
and now Dallas police are investigating.
897
00:42:46,898 --> 00:42:48,898
When Mr. Kelly, who was
infested with her...
898
00:42:48,934 --> 00:42:51,935
uh, infected with herpes,
engaged in sexual conduct
899
00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:54,337
with my client without informing
him of her status...
900
00:42:54,439 --> 00:42:56,706
of his status, he committed a crime.
901
00:42:56,741 --> 00:43:00,610
So much evidence has been
on the table for so long,
902
00:43:00,645 --> 00:43:02,245
and it seems like,
in the last two years,
903
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,083
there's been, like,
even more momentum of, like,
904
00:43:07,118 --> 00:43:10,186
"Whoa, this sex cult thing,"
like, "Whoa, this other story.
905
00:43:10,288 --> 00:43:12,055
Whoa, this woman he gave an STD to".
906
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:15,158
Why is RCA Records still
in business with him?
907
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:16,793
R. Kelly is not really
908
00:43:16,828 --> 00:43:19,262
an active recording artist right now.
909
00:43:19,297 --> 00:43:21,264
He's not on the roster.
910
00:43:21,299 --> 00:43:23,032
RCA does not expect
911
00:43:23,134 --> 00:43:25,568
a new album from him this
year or next year.
912
00:43:25,604 --> 00:43:28,237
There are a lot of music
business institutions
913
00:43:28,273 --> 00:43:31,574
that we need to look at to
say, "Why are you continuing
914
00:43:31,610 --> 00:43:33,443
to support this after all this time?"
915
00:43:33,478 --> 00:43:36,713
There were a series of events
916
00:43:36,815 --> 00:43:38,281
in the spring that really amplified
917
00:43:38,316 --> 00:43:40,083
the work around R. Kelly.
918
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,886
We really haven't had
919
00:43:43,989 --> 00:43:46,022
a person in hip-hop
who just straight-out said,
920
00:43:46,124 --> 00:43:47,657
"He's guilty".
921
00:43:47,692 --> 00:43:50,093
So Vince Staples at Coachella
makes this statement
922
00:43:50,128 --> 00:43:53,529
about R. Kelly being a pedophile
and it goes viral.
923
00:43:53,632 --> 00:43:55,331
R. Kelly never went to jail and
he's a fucking child molester.
924
00:43:55,367 --> 00:43:57,800
- Okay, let's never talk about R...
- He's a child molester.
925
00:43:57,836 --> 00:44:00,203
I'm a good person, all right?
R. Kelly is a piece of shit.
926
00:44:00,305 --> 00:44:02,605
So, if a piece of shit
R. Kelly didn't go to jail
927
00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:04,340
for being a child molester
and peeing on people
928
00:44:04,376 --> 00:44:06,342
and having a human trafficking
ring in Atlanta,
929
00:44:06,378 --> 00:44:07,977
then I'll be all right.
930
00:44:08,013 --> 00:44:09,979
So we're seeing people now starting to,
931
00:44:10,015 --> 00:44:12,582
to kind of get on board
and that tide is turning.
932
00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:15,752
Making a song with
R. Kelly was a mistake.
933
00:44:15,854 --> 00:44:19,922
♪ Turn that star up in paradise... ♪
934
00:44:20,025 --> 00:44:24,761
I didn't value the accusers'
stories, like...
935
00:44:24,863 --> 00:44:27,263
Because they were blackmailing him.
936
00:44:27,365 --> 00:44:28,865
I made a mistake.
937
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:30,667
I can't even exert
938
00:44:30,702 --> 00:44:33,536
any more energy telling y'all
how-how trash R. Kelly is.
939
00:44:33,571 --> 00:44:35,738
I've been saying R. Kelly
is trash for years.
940
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,874
I think R. Kelly is on everybody's...
941
00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:39,776
permanently cancelled list.
942
00:44:39,878 --> 00:44:41,277
All of this is wrong.
943
00:44:41,379 --> 00:44:43,680
R. Kelly has a sickness.
944
00:44:43,715 --> 00:44:45,915
Yes, I believe R. Kelly's
a dirtbag scumbag,
945
00:44:46,017 --> 00:44:47,950
and somebody should press charges
946
00:44:48,053 --> 00:44:50,153
and try to prosecute again.
947
00:44:50,188 --> 00:44:53,222
Press charges, let's go! Ride out!
948
00:44:53,258 --> 00:44:57,126
Tom Joyner is the
Black America Radio Host.
949
00:44:57,228 --> 00:44:59,195
He has hundreds
950
00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:01,798
of syndicated radio stations
around the country.
951
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:04,200
He had continued to play
his music and so,
952
00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:06,602
it felt to me like
there was an... huge support
953
00:45:06,705 --> 00:45:09,072
from Tom Joyner around R. Kelly.
954
00:45:09,107 --> 00:45:11,040
We need the Tom Joyner Morning Show
955
00:45:11,076 --> 00:45:13,476
- to stop supporting R. Kelly.
- You got it.
956
00:45:13,578 --> 00:45:15,378
Yeah, I won't play
any more R. Kelly music.
957
00:45:15,413 --> 00:45:16,779
And I was actually shocked.
958
00:45:16,881 --> 00:45:18,414
I was shocked.
959
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:20,650
Pleasantly, you know, it's clearly...
960
00:45:20,752 --> 00:45:22,618
but, it's... that's a big deal.
961
00:45:22,721 --> 00:45:24,087
It felt like a victory.
962
00:45:24,122 --> 00:45:25,722
Radio host like Tom Joyner,
963
00:45:25,757 --> 00:45:27,457
um, say "We're not gonna
play him anymore,"
964
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,060
and this is at the core of,
you know, the R. Kelly audience
965
00:45:31,096 --> 00:45:32,995
and the type of stations
that would play him.
966
00:45:33,098 --> 00:45:35,832
Um, this is highly significant.
967
00:45:35,934 --> 00:45:38,568
I think Mute R. Kelly is a great example
968
00:45:38,603 --> 00:45:42,105
of the viral way
that activism is happening
969
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:46,375
around Me Too and these issues
in the music industry.
970
00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:51,714
May of 2018,
971
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:55,218
the Women of Color and Time's
Up got together and wrote
972
00:45:55,253 --> 00:45:56,986
this public letter and it went viral.
973
00:45:57,088 --> 00:45:58,554
There's a group
974
00:45:58,590 --> 00:46:03,392
of really powerful black women,
including Shonda Rhimes,
975
00:46:03,428 --> 00:46:07,396
Eva Longoria, Ava DuVernay,
Kerry Washington, Viola Davis.
976
00:46:07,432 --> 00:46:09,465
They've all announced this campaign
977
00:46:09,501 --> 00:46:10,900
that they're on... behind...
978
00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:13,302
Mute R. Kelly.
979
00:46:13,338 --> 00:46:14,937
Other celebrities,
non-black celebrities,
980
00:46:14,973 --> 00:46:16,405
who also amplified it.
981
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,880
So, that's huge.
982
00:46:25,617 --> 00:46:27,216
The Me Too movement
and Time's Up movement
983
00:46:27,318 --> 00:46:29,152
coming behind the Mute R. Kelly movement
984
00:46:29,187 --> 00:46:32,421
have really kind of helped
push that, you know, forward
985
00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:34,090
in the national consciousness.
986
00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:36,325
It's one thing for Oronike to say,
987
00:46:36,361 --> 00:46:37,894
"You should stop listening to R. Kelly".
988
00:46:37,996 --> 00:46:40,596
It's another thing for Ava DuVernay.
989
00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:44,400
And if John Legend coming out,
and Questlove coming out?
990
00:46:44,502 --> 00:46:46,869
Other men who have come out,
that makes people think
991
00:46:46,971 --> 00:46:48,738
about it in a different kind of a way.
992
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,773
And the response we got
from it was just overwhelming.
993
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:53,142
I mean, it just... people
who had never heard of it,
994
00:46:53,178 --> 00:46:55,311
they thought we started
this movement yesterday.
995
00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,914
And as the movement
has ex... has expanded,
996
00:46:58,016 --> 00:47:00,583
people have kind of dictated
where it's going.
997
00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:03,986
They said to us, you know,
"Hey, what about streaming?
998
00:47:04,022 --> 00:47:06,556
You guys should go after streaming".
999
00:47:06,658 --> 00:47:09,425
Streaming service Spotify
is removing R. Kelly's music
1000
00:47:09,527 --> 00:47:11,627
from its playlists and recommendations.
1001
00:47:11,663 --> 00:47:14,230
It's just the latest in the
growing backlash against Kelly,
1002
00:47:14,332 --> 00:47:17,366
who's been accused of
sexual misconduct for decades.
1003
00:47:17,402 --> 00:47:18,501
Spotify saying, basically,
1004
00:47:18,536 --> 00:47:19,936
they're gonna, like, downgrade him,
1005
00:47:20,038 --> 00:47:21,971
so they're no longer going to put him
1006
00:47:22,006 --> 00:47:23,673
on curated playlists
or sponsored playlists,
1007
00:47:23,708 --> 00:47:24,974
is important.
1008
00:47:33,551 --> 00:47:35,952
R. Kelly apologizes to fans
1009
00:47:36,054 --> 00:47:39,021
after a Chicago concert
is abruptly cancelled.
1010
00:47:39,057 --> 00:47:42,291
Promoters opted to
pull Kelly out of the lineup
1011
00:47:42,393 --> 00:47:44,894
that included Xscap3 and Lyfe Jennings.
1012
00:47:44,929 --> 00:47:46,529
To get Chicago to say,
1013
00:47:46,564 --> 00:47:48,965
"We don't want you here.
You can't perform,"
1014
00:47:49,067 --> 00:47:51,400
was just an amazing victory.
I mean, I was floored
1015
00:47:51,436 --> 00:47:53,636
when I heard that they decided
to cancel that concert,
1016
00:47:53,738 --> 00:47:55,471
but it was so important.
1017
00:47:55,573 --> 00:47:56,806
Yo, what's up, y'all?
1018
00:47:56,908 --> 00:47:58,975
This ya boy, Kells, man, and...
1019
00:47:59,077 --> 00:48:01,177
I don't know why
they cancelled the show.
1020
00:48:01,212 --> 00:48:03,346
Um, I never heard of
a show being cancelled
1021
00:48:03,381 --> 00:48:05,181
because of rumors.
1022
00:48:05,216 --> 00:48:06,816
Don't put that on me. You know?
1023
00:48:06,918 --> 00:48:08,251
That ain't on me, all right?
1024
00:48:08,286 --> 00:48:10,186
The more we talk about this,
1025
00:48:10,221 --> 00:48:14,891
the more we see what R. Kelly
has been doing historically,
1026
00:48:14,926 --> 00:48:16,425
over and over and over again.
1027
00:48:16,461 --> 00:48:19,495
And then all these cases
that he's settled.
1028
00:48:19,597 --> 00:48:22,098
We have to keep pushing,
and keep pushing
1029
00:48:22,133 --> 00:48:25,835
till we get some indictments,
you know? Keep pushing.
1030
00:48:25,937 --> 00:48:28,738
For some reason, he has...
he is... he's Teflon.
1031
00:48:28,773 --> 00:48:30,706
And I don't get that.
1032
00:48:30,742 --> 00:48:32,942
I don't get why the justice system
1033
00:48:32,977 --> 00:48:35,912
can't bring him to justice.
1034
00:48:35,947 --> 00:48:39,382
He is a serial abuser
1035
00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:42,685
that has... gotten away
with it for far too long.
1036
00:48:42,787 --> 00:48:45,087
And I think time's up for R. Kelly.
1037
00:48:45,123 --> 00:48:47,690
Um, being accepted by the
entertainment industry
1038
00:48:47,792 --> 00:48:50,259
a
- and just kind of allowed to...
1039
00:48:50,295 --> 00:48:52,762
make money and be treated
as though he didn't do
1040
00:48:52,797 --> 00:48:56,599
all these terrible things,
um, time's up for that.
1041
00:48:56,634 --> 00:48:58,534
Mute R. Kelly!
1042
00:48:58,636 --> 00:48:59,902
Mute R. Kelly!
1043
00:49:05,843 --> 00:49:08,978
Not having any contact with Azriel,
1044
00:49:09,013 --> 00:49:10,746
we started growing suspicious.
1045
00:49:10,848 --> 00:49:14,150
We started investigating,
and once we found out
1046
00:49:14,185 --> 00:49:17,520
her iCloud was still
under her mother name,
1047
00:49:17,555 --> 00:49:21,157
we went into it and looked
at text messages,
1048
00:49:21,192 --> 00:49:23,492
and we found some really
disturbing text messages
1049
00:49:23,528 --> 00:49:25,227
between them.
1050
00:49:25,263 --> 00:49:30,633
They had sex in Florida
that first time they met.
1051
00:49:30,668 --> 00:49:33,602
In... 2015, when she was 17 years old.
1052
00:49:36,908 --> 00:49:40,476
It makes me feel, as a father...
1053
00:49:40,578 --> 00:49:43,346
less than a man, if that makes sense.
1054
00:49:46,718 --> 00:49:50,519
A piece of me seemed to die off.
1055
00:49:50,555 --> 00:49:53,622
I don't know anything about
the Azriel that's 20 now.
1056
00:49:56,728 --> 00:49:59,862
My daughter's no different
than the Savages.
1057
00:49:59,897 --> 00:50:02,131
I think the TMZ article
1058
00:50:02,266 --> 00:50:04,400
with Joy Savage was a statement
1059
00:50:04,435 --> 00:50:07,903
to every mother and every
father that has a daughter.
1060
00:50:07,939 --> 00:50:09,739
That's a predator that's telling y'all,
1061
00:50:09,774 --> 00:50:12,341
"I don't care what y'all think about me.
1062
00:50:12,443 --> 00:50:14,577
"I'm-a show you,
I'm-a get these girls to do
1063
00:50:14,612 --> 00:50:17,179
what I want 'em to do,
when I want 'em to do".
1064
00:50:17,281 --> 00:50:21,717
And if anybody need education,
go look at some pimp movies.
1065
00:50:21,753 --> 00:50:25,855
Go look at Superfly and
all them old '60s movies.
1066
00:50:25,957 --> 00:50:29,692
R. Kelly blueprint is
the same as a pimp.
1067
00:50:29,794 --> 00:50:30,893
And what they doing is showing you,
1068
00:50:30,928 --> 00:50:32,528
"I don't care how much you cry,
1069
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:34,030
'I want my daughter,
I want my daughter!'"
1070
00:50:34,132 --> 00:50:35,364
Your daughter going to be
1071
00:50:35,466 --> 00:50:36,932
whatever he want her to be
1072
00:50:36,968 --> 00:50:40,603
until he finish with
her and give her back.
1073
00:50:40,638 --> 00:50:43,239
And I'm not putting down
any other father,
1074
00:50:43,274 --> 00:50:45,441
but it's a little different
1075
00:50:45,476 --> 00:50:46,876
when he dealing with me.
1076
00:50:46,978 --> 00:50:49,945
We not going to do "Hey" to TMZ,
1077
00:50:49,981 --> 00:50:51,247
the BuzzFeed back and forth.
1078
00:50:51,282 --> 00:50:52,982
We're not going to play that game.
1079
00:51:06,497 --> 00:51:09,365
Azriel!
1080
00:51:09,467 --> 00:51:11,467
Az!
1081
00:51:13,838 --> 00:51:16,338
Azriel, open the door!
1082
00:51:17,475 --> 00:51:20,142
Azzy.
1083
00:51:22,346 --> 00:51:27,149
I know she ain't going to open
that motherfucking studio door.
1084
00:51:27,185 --> 00:51:29,585
How you know she in there?
1085
00:51:29,687 --> 00:51:32,088
- Yeah, how you doing?
- We have word that she here.
1086
00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:33,622
I need to do a welfare check.
1087
00:51:33,658 --> 00:51:36,792
She may be harmed or something,
but I need to see
1088
00:51:36,828 --> 00:51:37,993
if my daughter's okay.
1089
00:51:38,029 --> 00:51:39,462
I have not seen her in three years.
1090
00:51:42,233 --> 00:51:43,966
Dominique, she escaped,
1091
00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:45,634
and she's home with her mom now.
1092
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:50,106
And she was the one that
told us that Azriel actually is...
1093
00:51:50,141 --> 00:51:52,441
was left in Chicago,
up here in a studio.
1094
00:51:52,543 --> 00:51:56,312
I need to get in and make
sure that she's okay.
1095
00:51:56,347 --> 00:51:57,913
All right, thank you.
1096
00:51:58,015 --> 00:52:00,182
She basically said that Azriel has been
1097
00:52:00,218 --> 00:52:02,284
wanting to leave
for a while, and that...
1098
00:52:02,386 --> 00:52:04,353
she actually escaped before,
and they found her
1099
00:52:04,388 --> 00:52:05,621
running down the street or something.
1100
00:52:05,723 --> 00:52:07,356
And so they brought her back.
1101
00:52:07,391 --> 00:52:09,658
You know, that's why
she don't really have any...
1102
00:52:09,694 --> 00:52:13,496
I guess she don't get to be
around nobody else anymore.
1103
00:52:13,531 --> 00:52:14,763
So, I don't know.
1104
00:52:16,701 --> 00:52:19,168
I'm Alice Clary. I'm
the one who placed the call.
1105
00:52:19,203 --> 00:52:21,437
Our daughter, we got
a tip that she's here
1106
00:52:21,539 --> 00:52:24,440
and she's trying to leave, so
we need to do a wellness check.
1107
00:52:27,712 --> 00:52:29,378
We think here. We don't know.
1108
00:52:29,413 --> 00:52:31,347
She didn't say anything?
1109
00:52:31,382 --> 00:52:33,516
She's been here
with him for three years.
1110
00:52:33,551 --> 00:52:36,418
We have not seen our daughter
in three years.
1111
00:52:44,428 --> 00:52:46,695
The police said there
was nothing they can do
1112
00:52:46,731 --> 00:52:50,032
as a well check if nobody's
willing to open the door.
1113
00:52:50,067 --> 00:52:52,535
So... at this point
we just got to wait and see
1114
00:52:52,570 --> 00:52:54,270
if somebody can open the door.
1115
00:52:54,305 --> 00:52:56,105
I'm going to stay here all
night, I'm not leaving.
1116
00:52:56,140 --> 00:52:58,541
Hey!
1117
00:53:03,414 --> 00:53:05,114
At this point,
1118
00:53:05,149 --> 00:53:09,351
if you are our daughter, then
come back outside or something.
1119
00:53:09,453 --> 00:53:11,787
Talk to us or whatever.
Let us know something.
1120
00:53:11,822 --> 00:53:13,489
Hey!
1121
00:53:13,624 --> 00:53:15,658
- Open the door!
- Hey!
1122
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,560
Fuck, fuck. Stop, stop, stop.
1123
00:53:17,595 --> 00:53:20,262
Clearly, someone is in the building.
1124
00:53:20,298 --> 00:53:22,264
We just watched a young lady come up,
1125
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:24,200
turn the lights off, close the
blinds and everything, so...
1126
00:53:25,803 --> 00:53:27,303
But we couldn't tell.
It kind of looked like
1127
00:53:27,338 --> 00:53:28,304
it could have been her,
1128
00:53:28,339 --> 00:53:29,405
but she did it so quick.
1129
00:53:30,808 --> 00:53:32,408
We just seen a silo... like,
1130
00:53:32,443 --> 00:53:34,043
you know, her do it, like, her arm...
1131
00:53:34,078 --> 00:53:36,212
I don't know.
1132
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:48,691
This a bad place for any parent to be.
1133
00:53:48,793 --> 00:53:50,559
You know, outside of a building...
1134
00:53:50,661 --> 00:53:52,094
You don't know everything!
1135
00:53:52,129 --> 00:53:55,431
...that your child may
be in, or may not be in.
1136
00:53:55,466 --> 00:53:57,299
This might as well be a prison.
1137
00:54:01,172 --> 00:54:04,173
I need to see that that
young girl is not my daughter.
1138
00:54:04,208 --> 00:54:06,308
We want to make sure it ain't her.
1139
00:54:06,344 --> 00:54:09,144
This is the only lead
we have had in three years.
1140
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:10,713
I am desperate at this point.
1141
00:54:10,848 --> 00:54:12,448
I don't want nothing from none of them.
1142
00:54:12,483 --> 00:54:15,084
They play a lot games
with this man, that's on them.
1143
00:54:15,186 --> 00:54:16,585
If they want to protect
a fucking pedophile,
1144
00:54:16,687 --> 00:54:17,987
that's on them, that's cool.
1145
00:54:18,022 --> 00:54:19,989
I just need to know if
my daughter is in there.
1146
00:54:20,024 --> 00:54:23,158
If she is of age and she says
no, that's fine, I will leave.
1147
00:54:23,194 --> 00:54:25,461
I just need to see if that is her.
1148
00:54:40,878 --> 00:54:43,479
I don't know.
1149
00:54:43,514 --> 00:54:47,016
At this point... uh...
1150
00:54:57,061 --> 00:54:58,861
interesting conversation with him
1151
00:54:58,896 --> 00:55:01,830
that lasted for about
two hours last spring.
1152
00:55:01,866 --> 00:55:02,998
All of a sudden, the phone rings.
1153
00:55:03,034 --> 00:55:05,134
And the conversation
that I had with him,
1154
00:55:05,269 --> 00:55:06,802
I promised him confidentiality.
1155
00:55:06,937 --> 00:55:08,737
He told me I could ask him anything.
1156
00:55:08,773 --> 00:55:12,174
And I asked him everything.
1157
00:55:12,209 --> 00:55:15,477
And he answered... everything.
1158
00:55:15,613 --> 00:55:18,881
I don't know why he
wanted to talk to me.
1159
00:55:18,916 --> 00:55:22,051
It was almost like he wanted
to purge or something.
1160
00:55:22,086 --> 00:55:24,253
He didn't tell me he likes young girls.
1161
00:55:24,288 --> 00:55:27,990
He told me he likes petite women.
1162
00:55:28,125 --> 00:55:31,393
You know, a particular height and size.
1163
00:55:31,429 --> 00:55:34,930
He didn't say he likes young
girls, but the court records...
1164
00:55:34,965 --> 00:55:38,000
you know, the allegations...
speak for themselves.
1165
00:55:38,135 --> 00:55:41,103
He doesn't have to say it.
1166
00:55:41,138 --> 00:55:43,005
And when we finished having
our conversation,
1167
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:45,074
the "I Admit" song came out.
1168
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:49,111
Singer R. Kelly released
a new 19-minute song today
1169
00:55:49,146 --> 00:55:51,914
that addresses several sexual
abuse allegations against him.
1170
00:55:51,949 --> 00:55:56,552
The song is titled "I Admit"
and is posted to SoundCloud.
1171
00:55:56,587 --> 00:55:59,154
♪ I admit it, I did... did it ♪
1172
00:56:08,933 --> 00:56:11,800
Like a lot of his music, it's
very much telling on himself.
1173
00:56:16,607 --> 00:56:18,707
♪ I admit, I admit, I admit ♪
1174
00:56:18,843 --> 00:56:21,410
Having been around
music culture my whole life,
1175
00:56:21,445 --> 00:56:24,046
in the past, R. Kelly's
always been able to make
1176
00:56:24,181 --> 00:56:26,482
his outrageousness
into a story that sells.
1177
00:56:26,517 --> 00:56:28,584
So, it was just par for the course
1178
00:56:28,619 --> 00:56:31,653
when he released "I Admit".
1179
00:56:31,689 --> 00:56:34,590
It's the dumbest damn
19 minutes in the universe.
1180
00:56:34,692 --> 00:56:36,225
He doesn't admit anything,
1181
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,660
he just proves that he's a narcissist.
1182
00:56:38,696 --> 00:56:40,996
He proves that he's gaslighting.
1183
00:56:41,031 --> 00:56:44,066
He's proving that he's never
going to take responsibility
1184
00:56:44,135 --> 00:56:46,335
for his actions.
1185
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:49,338
It's crazy. Throughout his music,
1186
00:56:49,373 --> 00:56:52,574
he's been remarkably frank
about his predilections...
1187
00:56:54,478 --> 00:56:57,513
...about his freakiness.
1188
00:56:57,548 --> 00:56:59,648
About levels of
control, even. They're in there.
1189
00:56:59,683 --> 00:57:02,918
So, I mean, it's not like he's hidden.
1190
00:57:03,053 --> 00:57:05,621
But we have been afraid to look.
1191
00:57:07,024 --> 00:57:09,992
Somebody will work hard to have
1192
00:57:10,027 --> 00:57:12,261
a very polished, very popular
1193
00:57:12,396 --> 00:57:15,831
persona in the public
so that when somebody
1194
00:57:15,866 --> 00:57:18,300
will make these accusations,
1195
00:57:18,335 --> 00:57:21,403
and they'll be able to say,
"Does that even sound like me?
1196
00:57:21,505 --> 00:57:23,505
"Right? Like that... I would...
I would never do that.
1197
00:57:23,541 --> 00:57:26,108
"Why would I risk all of
this, all that I have,
1198
00:57:26,243 --> 00:57:28,210
my... your perception of me for that?"
1199
00:57:28,245 --> 00:57:32,948
I really don't think that
R. Kelly knows who
1200
00:57:33,083 --> 00:57:35,350
Robert Sylvester Kelly is.
1201
00:57:35,386 --> 00:57:38,554
I think he may be struggling
with, "Who am I really?
1202
00:57:38,589 --> 00:57:40,289
Who is this person that I've become?"
1203
00:57:40,424 --> 00:57:42,724
R. Kelly has brought so much pain
1204
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,059
to so many people.
1205
00:57:44,094 --> 00:57:47,029
And he should be ashamed of himself.
1206
00:57:47,064 --> 00:57:49,531
And... I hope there is some justice
1207
00:57:49,567 --> 00:57:52,234
done to him at some point.
1208
00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:01,310
If R. Kelly was watching right now,
1209
00:58:01,445 --> 00:58:03,679
what would you want
to say to him directly?
1210
00:58:03,714 --> 00:58:06,482
R. Kelly, if you watching this,
1211
00:58:06,617 --> 00:58:08,884
I just want to hear my daughter voice.
1212
00:58:08,919 --> 00:58:12,521
You're keeping her from
not just me and my wife,
1213
00:58:12,556 --> 00:58:14,022
her whole entire family.
1214
00:58:14,058 --> 00:58:16,925
If I ever come across you again,
1215
00:58:16,961 --> 00:58:18,694
it's on and popping.
1216
00:58:18,729 --> 00:58:20,395
That's your head.
1217
00:58:20,431 --> 00:58:22,231
Once she start, I'm right beside her.
1218
00:58:22,266 --> 00:58:24,066
And I don't mind going to jail.
1219
00:58:24,101 --> 00:58:26,902
I've been there before,
and I'll go there back again.
1220
00:58:26,937 --> 00:58:31,240
Take responsibility for the
lives that you've destroyed.
1221
00:58:31,275 --> 00:58:34,176
You are not exempt. You are not special.
1222
00:58:34,311 --> 00:58:37,946
You need to see the effects
of your behavior.
1223
00:58:37,982 --> 00:58:40,682
Quit... Quit hurting people.
1224
00:58:40,751 --> 00:58:43,585
Quit hurting these girls.
1225
00:58:43,621 --> 00:58:45,120
Stop seeking young women
1226
00:58:45,155 --> 00:58:46,955
to fulfill your sexual deviancy.
1227
00:58:46,991 --> 00:58:49,992
This can't keep going on.
1228
00:58:50,094 --> 00:58:52,528
What do you think
Robert's doing right now?
1229
00:58:52,596 --> 00:58:57,599
I hope Robert is trying
to get his sense together.
1230
00:59:04,174 --> 00:59:08,110
Whatever is in the dark
will come to light.
1231
00:59:08,145 --> 00:59:11,914
And until you do right
by all of them girls...
1232
00:59:13,617 --> 00:59:18,587
...nothing is going to come good to you.
1233
00:59:18,622 --> 00:59:21,056
Mark my word.
1234
01:00:09,073 --> 01:00:11,340
I'm just really
happy that I can speak out,
1235
01:00:11,375 --> 01:00:12,808
and I don't have to
1236
01:00:12,843 --> 01:00:15,110
accept his money for my silence.
1237
01:00:15,245 --> 01:00:17,245
He's no longer controlling me.
1238
01:00:32,196 --> 01:00:34,096
♪ We are ready ♪
1239
01:00:34,198 --> 01:00:37,633
♪ If you didn't know... ♪
1240
01:00:37,768 --> 01:00:39,735
Even though it was
hard... it's even hard
1241
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:42,170
reliving it and talking about it...
1242
01:00:42,206 --> 01:00:44,973
I'm proud of telling my story.
1243
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:47,643
It's a testimony to help other people.
1244
01:00:50,247 --> 01:00:52,581
♪ We'll be right here ♪
1245
01:00:52,616 --> 01:00:55,217
- # Ready #
- # Oh, oh, oh #
1246
01:00:55,252 --> 01:00:57,919
♪ Ready, oh, oh ♪
1247
01:00:57,955 --> 01:01:02,290
- # Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah #
- # Oh, oh, oh... #
1248
01:01:06,463 --> 01:01:09,564
The reason why I
consider myself a survivor...
1249
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,767
because I did not
let this break me down.
1250
01:01:11,802 --> 01:01:15,537
I could have easily let this
situation... But I didn't.
1251
01:01:41,999 --> 01:01:44,299
♪ We are ready ♪
1252
01:01:44,334 --> 01:01:46,802
♪ Been going on too long ♪
1253
01:01:46,837 --> 01:01:49,104
♪ We are ready ♪
1254
01:01:49,139 --> 01:01:51,206
♪ And we've had about enough ♪
1255
01:01:51,341 --> 01:01:53,942
♪ Oh, we are ready ♪
1256
01:01:53,977 --> 01:01:57,746
♪ Won't be silent no more... ♪
1257
01:01:57,781 --> 01:01:59,414
I don't like to claim a victim anymore.
1258
01:01:59,450 --> 01:02:01,616
I w... I was a victim.
1259
01:02:01,652 --> 01:02:03,485
Are you a survivor?
1260
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,622
I am a survivor.
1261
01:02:07,658 --> 01:02:10,158
- # Ready #
- # Oh, oh, oh #
1262
01:02:10,194 --> 01:02:12,728
♪ Ready... ♪
1263
01:02:24,541 --> 01:02:26,608
♪ Ooh ♪
1264
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:29,945
♪ But on this crazy obstacle
course I've been on ♪
1265
01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:33,115
♪ I mean, now, more than ever ♪
1266
01:02:33,217 --> 01:02:34,349
♪ I'm ready ♪
1267
01:02:34,384 --> 01:02:37,652
♪ We are ready ♪
1268
01:02:37,688 --> 01:02:41,857
♪ We'll be right here, ready ♪
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