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NARRATOR:
In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented by two
separate yet equally important groups,
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the police
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Yeah, I get a pain. Only
when I do my jump shot dunk,
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bang, and that's when
I start feeling pain.
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Another guy,
he makes the shots for me.
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All I'm saying is...
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Jamal, Jamal!
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Yeah?
Get her car.
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Oh, no, Frank is getting it, man.
Frank is gonna get it.
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So, listen, you think I should
work it off, you know...
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You know, I'm really
not that kind of a doctor.
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I could recommend somebody to see you.
Call my office, okay?
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MAN: Hey, don't block it in,
all right?
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Thanks.
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Big help, you know
what I'm saying?
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She gonna pay the bill,
too, man?
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You get cars here,
Jamal, not Medicare!
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Oliver, you saying
I can't talk to customers...
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No... now and then?
Come on, man.
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What, you making up
rules on me, Oliver?
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(sun FIRING)
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(THUD)
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(CAR HORN BLARING)
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What is it?
What's going on?
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What happened?
Don't touch this, man.
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Two 9 millimeter shell casings.
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One here, one there.
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And one slug is in that Toyota,
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and the other one
blew through her head.
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Okay, so the shooter was
standing where, about here?
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Car comes around
the corner, bang, bang.
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And then he's out that door.
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Anyone see anything outside?
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Yeah, everybody saw a lot of people.
Midtown, noon.
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But nobody running,
nobody waving a gun.
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Well, this guy just
walked away.
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This looks like a hit.
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What, on a nice lady doctor?
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Look at this.
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BRISCOE: A nice lady doctor
wearing a bullet-proof vest.
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I didn't realize the health
care debate was so heated.
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It was for her.
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"Wanted, Dr. Eileen Reed, abortionist,
for mass murder. Reward."
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Reward?
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"God's eternal grace."
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Holy Mother.
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Two doctors shot dead
in Florida.
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And one in Buffalo
six weeks ago.
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Those are just out-of-town tryouts.
Now the show's in New York.
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The Florida shooters were
picked up at the scene.
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So was the guy in Buffalo.
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Harold Malcolm.
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He was standing over the body
handing out leaflets.
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Well, there's a lot more
where those three came from.
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Before we start
sorting through the nuts,
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are we sure this doctor's murder
is related to her line of work?
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Well, the wanted poster
is kind of a hint.
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The wanted poster
didn't pull the trigger.
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Our lives will be a lot easier
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if she was killed over a love
triangle or a gambling debt.
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We'll go see the husband.
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Maybe we'll get lucky
and he'll confess.
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I met Eileen in medical school
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during a pediatrics rotation.
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Even then, she was working six
hours a week at a free clinic.
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Dr. Reed,
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did your wife ever have any trouble
with any of her patients or colleagues?
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No.
And the two of you?
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Any marital problems?
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I loved her.
She loved me.
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We just started trying
to have children.
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Is there some reason
you're avoiding the obvious?
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Eileen didn't
need to get involved,
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but she believed that all women
deserve good medical care,
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so she performed abortions two
afternoons a week at a women's clinic.
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That's where she was going
when she got shot?
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That's why she was wearing
a bullet-proof vest.
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The clinic is
surrounded by zealots.
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The doctors working there get
death threats all the time.
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Like the one she had
in her purse.
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That was a mild one.
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She was gonna send it to the police.
They send them all to the police
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so that maybe you can find
these people before they...
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The paper's long grain,
twenty pound bond.
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Only a few billion sheets
a year sold in this country.
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Any fingerprints?
Yours.
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And the victim's.
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It's a photocopy,
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from a machine with some dirt
on the drum. See these specks?
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If you get me the machine
and it hasn't been serviced,
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I can maybe do a positive I.D.
Oh, great.
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We'll organize a line-up
of Xerox machines.
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Well, what about
other threats that she got?
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These arrived at the clinic
over the last six months.
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Any particular one
you want me to look at?
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Well...
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Maybe we'll just go there in person and
see who's been delivering their messages.
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(PEOPLE SHOUTING)
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MAN: Don't kill that baby!
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(PEOPLE SHOUTING)
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Those are the regulars.
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And that's Mark Bryant.
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KATHERINE: He's the
pain-in-the-ass in chief.
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This guy, Bryant,
he's a photographer?
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Faces and license plates.
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He tries to get
everybody coming in
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so he can track them down
and counsel them,
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which means harass them.
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LOGAN: You telling me Dr. Reed
had to go through this
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every time she showed up?
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We do what we can
to protect the doctors.
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We never even
release their names.
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But Bryant, was he here
when she was here?
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Bryant is always here.
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BRYANT: If your wives are
in there, drag them out!
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Be a man.
Protect your children.
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We're the police, Mr. Bryant.
Good.
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They're committing murder
in there. Do your duty.
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Yeah, well, we're investigating
the murder of Dr. Eileen Reed.
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And you're looking at us?
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Hey, you people aren't exactly handing
out bouquets to these doctors.
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Listen, yesterday I had
twice as many rescuers here.
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Every time someone
fires a shot in our name,
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it smears us
and reduces our numbers.
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Well, sure, nobody wants to get
in the way of a stray bullet.
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Nobody wants to be
associated with killing.
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We're here to prevent killing.
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Do you know what's
going on in there?
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Hey, what's going on
in there is legal.
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We got a dead 35-year-old
woman on our hands.
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And we mourn her.
Violence begets violence.
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We want it all to stop.
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Hey, Bryant, how's your hobby?
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You get any good pictures
of Dr. Reed?
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Several.
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But I didn't know her name
until I saw it on the news.
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Well, they make a lot of
noise on the sidewalks
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and try to convince the women
going in to change their minds.
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Then they refer them to a
pro-life pregnancy crisis center.
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Pro-life?
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You ever notice how some people's
concern for life stops at birth?
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They want those babies
to come out.
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After that, they don't give a
damn what happens to them.
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Well, they seem to give a damn
about what happened to Dr. Reed.
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Their official policy
is anti-murder.
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Apparently while the doctor
was across town getting shot,
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Bryant and his people were
waiting for her at the clinic.
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All of his people?
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BRISCOE: Hey, they claim they
didn't even know her name.
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Whoever shot her knew her name, her
address, and her office hours.
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Well, the clinic kept
that information secret.
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Her private patients
knew where to find her.
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Her patients are calling.
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Half of them are
about to give birth.
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The insurance companies
are driving me crazy.
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Did Dr. Reed perform
abortions here?
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A few.
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Most of her patients
wanted to be pregnant.
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Did she have any new
patients the last few weeks?
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YVONNE: She wasn't taking any.
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But there was one.
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Laura Lee.
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She called a few days before, said
she'd seen the doctor at the clinic.
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BRISCOE:
What, she had complications?
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It was only a consultation.
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She wanted
the follow-up here.
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She asked for the last
appointment, whenever that was.
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That would be right before
Dr. Reed left for the clinic.
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Yes, but she didn't show up.
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BRISCOE: You have her number?
Here.
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You got anything else on her?
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The clinic sent over
her paperwork.
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Dial-A-Prayer.
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We're gonna keep this, okay?
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Laura Lee. Initials L-L.
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Like one of Superman's
girlfriends.
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He won't be dating her.
She doesn't exist.
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Oh, Lois Lane does?
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(CHUCKLES)
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Have you got prints
on those forms, or what?
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A lovely set belonging
to one Ms. Nancy Gunther.
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Arrested four months ago in
Schenectady for trespassing.
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Trespassing?
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Sitting in at
a Planned Parenthood clinic.
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You see, Miss Gunther, you being
such a pro-life activist and all,
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we're wondering why
you showed up at a clinic
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asking about
ending your pregnancy.
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I never said
I wanted to do that.
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You never said your
real name, either.
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A lot of people give false names.
It's very personal.
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You gave a false name, but you
picked up a real one. Eileen Reed.
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The only people they tell the
doctors' names to are the patients.
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Yeah, you called and made an appointment
with her, but you never showed up.
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I changed my mind.
I'm keeping my baby.
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You were always gonna keep it,
weren't you?
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You asked for the
last appointment of the day
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so you'd know exactly when
she was leaving the office.
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Who'd you tell, Nancy?
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If you told the shooter,
that's conspiracy to murder.
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You better help us out, Nancy,
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or you're gonna be raising your baby
in a cell block at Bedford Hills.
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If that's God's will.
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She's got nothing to say.
She asked for a lawyer.
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Hey, let's arrest her for murder.
That might motivate her.
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There's not enough to hold her.
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Her lawyer will say the missed
appointment's a coincidence.
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Oh, how's this
for a coincidence?
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That protest in Schenectady
where she was arrested,
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27 people were taken in,
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including her
and Harold Malcolm.
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What, the guy who shot
the doctor in Buffalo?
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Yeah, two months later.
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The protest was led by
a Drew Seeley of Manhattan.
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Oh, boy, this one's a real nut.
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Defrocked priest.
Listen to this.
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The Diocese of Schenectady has a
restraining order on this guy.
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He can't come within 100 yards
of any of their churches.
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Well, maybe he'll think confession's
still good for the soul.
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Oh, yes, I know Nancy.
She's a fine Christian woman.
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And you know
Harold Malcolm, too?
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I've prayed with him often.
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Yeah, well, the reason we're
here is that some of your people
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have been doing
un-Christian things.
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What do you mean?
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Well, Malcolm blasted a doctor
with a shotgun in Buffalo.
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We think Nancy Gunther might be involved
in the murder of a doctor in Manhattan.
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Yes, the abortion doctors.
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Four dead.
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Isn't that wonderful?
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Come in, come in.
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Those doctors were
committing a holocaust.
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And your solution is murder?
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What ever happened
to turning the other cheek,
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loving thine enemy?
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I will love my enemy.
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But a child in the womb
doesn't have that opportunity.
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SEELEY: Please.
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The Bible commands us...
It commands us
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to protect the weak
and the powerless.
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Well, the State of New York
commands us not to kill.
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I think that's also mentioned
in the Bible someplace.
245
00:12:28,648 --> 00:12:30,787
My only goal here
is saving lives.
246
00:12:31,384 --> 00:12:33,864
You tell your followers
to shoot doctors?
247
00:12:34,020 --> 00:12:36,728
They draw their own conclusions.
They don't need me.
248
00:12:36,789 --> 00:12:39,633
You happen to know who drew a
conclusion to shoot Dr. Reed?
249
00:12:39,692 --> 00:12:40,693
No, I don't.
250
00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,671
Or who talked to
Nancy Gunther lately?
251
00:12:43,663 --> 00:12:44,835
Nancy.
252
00:12:45,131 --> 00:12:48,408
Nancy gathered some information
on Dr. Reed for me.
253
00:12:49,702 --> 00:12:53,514
I wanted the doctor's name and address
to try to persuade her to stop.
254
00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:55,211
Persuade her how?
255
00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,812
Well, I tried to call her and
I sent her some literature.
256
00:12:57,877 --> 00:13:00,016
A "Wanted" poster.
Yes. That was mine.
257
00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:03,822
So you think that calling her a
criminal is going to persuade her?
258
00:13:03,883 --> 00:13:05,521
Well, nothing else had.
259
00:13:06,252 --> 00:13:08,528
Where were you around
noon on Tuesday?
260
00:13:09,155 --> 00:13:13,194
Well, I was at a conference
of the Council on Choice.
261
00:13:14,827 --> 00:13:17,865
He was here, all right, throwing
fake blood on the speakers.
262
00:13:17,931 --> 00:13:19,535
We filed a complaint.
263
00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:22,443
I take it you don't see
eye-to-eye with Seeley.
264
00:13:22,502 --> 00:13:23,606
He thinks I should be murdered
265
00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:26,344
because I advocate reproductive
freedom for women.
266
00:13:26,406 --> 00:13:27,817
I think he should be in jail.
267
00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:29,751
For advocating murder?
268
00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:32,688
If all he does is talk about it,
there isn't anything we can do.
269
00:13:32,745 --> 00:13:34,156
You got anything more specific?
270
00:13:34,213 --> 00:13:36,250
He used to wave signs
and sit in.
271
00:13:36,315 --> 00:13:39,228
Now he incites his
followers to kill people.
272
00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:40,354
Because of people like him,
273
00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:42,923
in 85% of the counties
in the United States,
274
00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:45,993
there's not a single doctor
willing to perform abortions.
275
00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:48,562
Well, don't some doctors
just prefer not to?
276
00:13:48,628 --> 00:13:49,732
Yeah.
277
00:13:49,963 --> 00:13:53,137
And a lot of doctors prefer
not getting shot in the head.
278
00:13:54,033 --> 00:13:55,569
If you believe
this crap of Seeley's,
279
00:13:55,635 --> 00:13:58,479
you can understand why
the guy pulled the trigger.
280
00:13:58,805 --> 00:14:00,443
That's the problem
with fanatics.
281
00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:02,315
You get their followers
in the right frame of mind,
282
00:14:02,375 --> 00:14:04,685
the next thing you know,
they're chugging Kool-Aid.
283
00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:07,281
I've got Drew Seeley's
arrest reports.
284
00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,827
When he went from sitting in
to inciting murders,
285
00:14:09,882 --> 00:14:12,385
I bet he lost
a lot of supporters.
286
00:14:12,618 --> 00:14:14,620
Right, we'll look and see
who used to get busted
287
00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:17,634
at Seeley's sit-ins
and who doesn't anymore.
288
00:14:23,229 --> 00:14:26,335
You know why America
had a recession, detective?
289
00:14:26,966 --> 00:14:28,570
Something to do
with interest rates?
290
00:14:28,634 --> 00:14:31,240
And crime, drought,
earthquakes.
291
00:14:31,738 --> 00:14:34,810
Father Seeley says we're
being punished for our sins.
292
00:14:35,174 --> 00:14:39,122
If we don't get right with the Lord,
the United States may cease to exist.
293
00:14:39,178 --> 00:14:41,522
Well, Seeley's not
a Father anymore.
294
00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:44,126
To me, he is.
The man's a prophet.
295
00:14:44,283 --> 00:14:46,786
Well, how come you're
not still out there with him?
296
00:14:46,853 --> 00:14:49,891
I would be,
but my husband got sick.
297
00:14:49,956 --> 00:14:51,367
I have to run the store.
298
00:14:54,293 --> 00:14:56,899
I marched against
the war in Vietnam
299
00:14:56,963 --> 00:14:59,239
and against
the nuclear arms race.
300
00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:01,278
Now I march for life.
301
00:15:01,334 --> 00:15:04,042
I didn't think there was much
crossover between those movements.
302
00:15:04,103 --> 00:15:05,946
It's all about
respect for human life.
303
00:15:06,005 --> 00:15:07,177
Seems pretty clear to me.
304
00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,914
Is that why you stopped
marching with Seeley?
305
00:15:10,176 --> 00:15:12,679
Abortion doctors are
a form of human life.
306
00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:15,453
Seeley and I
parted ways on that point.
307
00:15:15,648 --> 00:15:18,094
Can you think of anybody who
might have taken Seeley's advice
308
00:15:18,151 --> 00:15:19,789
a little too seriously?
309
00:15:19,852 --> 00:15:21,195
And shot that doctor?
310
00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:23,495
Believe me, if I knew,
I'd tell you.
311
00:15:23,589 --> 00:15:26,399
Now, excuse me.
I have a customer waiting.
312
00:15:27,693 --> 00:15:30,731
Well, either they're still in love with
Seeley, or they haven't got a clue.
313
00:15:30,797 --> 00:15:32,037
Who's next?
314
00:15:32,431 --> 00:15:34,934
Randall Jenkins,
432 Canal Street.
315
00:15:35,001 --> 00:15:37,413
Oh, good.
Then we can eat Chinese.
316
00:15:38,171 --> 00:15:40,310
Randall doesn't
live here anymore.
317
00:15:40,439 --> 00:15:42,077
LOGAN: But he is your husband?
318
00:15:43,342 --> 00:15:44,980
We're getting divorced.
319
00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:48,285
Oh. Do you know
where we can find him?
320
00:15:49,482 --> 00:15:51,928
We really don't
keep in touch much.
321
00:15:51,984 --> 00:15:55,124
Do you know why he stopped
hanging out with Drew Seeley?
322
00:15:55,188 --> 00:15:56,292
He didn't.
323
00:15:56,589 --> 00:15:59,433
He still sends me literature
about saving my soul.
324
00:15:59,926 --> 00:16:02,167
Is there a return address
on the literature?
325
00:16:02,228 --> 00:16:03,536
I didn't check.
326
00:16:04,330 --> 00:16:06,606
Look, we...
We just had some problems.
327
00:16:07,733 --> 00:16:10,714
If you see him, don't even
say you saw me, all right?
328
00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:14,974
She's scared of the guy.
329
00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:19,248
He still follows Seeley, but he stopped
getting busted at the protests.
330
00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:20,916
Randall Jenkins.
331
00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:24,086
Eight months ago he burst into a
women's clinic on Long Island
332
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:25,720
and started roughing people up.
333
00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:28,857
He was arrested for assault
and sentenced to probation.
334
00:16:28,921 --> 00:16:31,561
Right. So he gets arrested
again, even for trespassing,
335
00:16:31,624 --> 00:16:33,069
he goes straight to the joint.
336
00:16:33,126 --> 00:16:35,538
And he's not afraid
of getting physical.
337
00:16:35,928 --> 00:16:39,899
Well, maybe he needed to stay out of
jail to do something more important
338
00:16:40,199 --> 00:16:41,940
like kill a doctor.
339
00:16:45,238 --> 00:16:47,184
From Jenkins'
probation officer.
340
00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,652
His new address
and place of employment.
341
00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,360
Hey, Silkowitzl
It's not insured.
342
00:17:00,086 --> 00:17:02,999
I don't expect them
to be geniuses.
343
00:17:03,055 --> 00:17:05,399
Keep the mustard
out of the ketchup
344
00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:07,870
and don't bang
the carts into walls.
345
00:17:07,927 --> 00:17:11,465
Plus, they have to master the
recipe of boiling hot dogs, right?
346
00:17:12,398 --> 00:17:13,399
Right.
347
00:17:13,699 --> 00:17:16,646
We're looking for a guy named Randall Jenkins.
Is he back yet?
348
00:17:16,702 --> 00:17:17,703
Jenkins.
349
00:17:18,137 --> 00:17:21,550
He fills his cart half with
dogs, half with pamphlets.
350
00:17:22,141 --> 00:17:25,384
Now I got the only pro-life
frankfurters on the West Side.
351
00:17:25,444 --> 00:17:26,752
So where is he?
352
00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:29,923
He took Tuesday off.
Never did come back.
353
00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:35,225
Tuesday. Let's get
a warrant.
354
00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:38,492
What are you doing?
Come on, just open it.
355
00:17:43,596 --> 00:17:45,041
He is not dangerous, is he?
356
00:17:45,097 --> 00:17:46,838
Dangerous? You got the whole
police department here.
357
00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:49,812
Just tell him you gotta fix
the radiator. Come on.
358
00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:51,309
(KNOCKING)
359
00:17:51,971 --> 00:17:53,177
Mr. Jenkins!
360
00:17:58,277 --> 00:18:00,382
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
All right? Thanks.
361
00:18:16,128 --> 00:18:17,368
"Blood pollutes the land,"
362
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:21,879
"and no expiation can be made except
by the blood of him who hath shed it."
363
00:18:22,435 --> 00:18:23,971
Numbers 35.
364
00:18:24,537 --> 00:18:27,143
Yeah, Old Testament.
Blood and guts.
365
00:18:27,306 --> 00:18:28,717
(PAGER BEEPING)
366
00:18:29,742 --> 00:18:30,982
Van Buren.
367
00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:36,393
BRISCOE: Yeah, it's Briscoe.
368
00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:38,660
He's got Jenkins?
369
00:18:40,086 --> 00:18:41,087
Okay.
370
00:18:42,221 --> 00:18:45,395
Seeley called. Van Buren wants
us to go pay him a visit.
371
00:18:46,325 --> 00:18:49,363
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
It's a 9 millimeter.
372
00:18:55,568 --> 00:18:58,606
Looks like he called the
networks before he called us.
373
00:18:59,272 --> 00:19:00,444
I hate this.
374
00:19:02,808 --> 00:19:05,687
Yes, of course we pray for
the soul of Eileen Reed,
375
00:19:05,745 --> 00:19:08,817
as we pray for the souls of
those children she murdered.
376
00:19:09,181 --> 00:19:11,286
Here comes Caesar's
policemen now.
377
00:19:11,517 --> 00:19:13,019
I really hate this.
378
00:19:13,085 --> 00:19:14,359
Let's just try to do it fast.
379
00:19:14,420 --> 00:19:17,492
All right, excuse us.
Police. Excuse me.
380
00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:20,334
Mr. Randall Jenkins,
gentlemen.
381
00:19:20,393 --> 00:19:22,464
The most righteous man
you'll ever arrest.
382
00:19:22,528 --> 00:19:25,566
In the eyes of God,
I declare I shot Dr. Reed.
383
00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:26,868
You're kidding.
384
00:19:26,933 --> 00:19:27,968
JOURNALIST: Mr. Jenkins.
385
00:19:28,034 --> 00:19:30,605
Jenkins, you're under arrest
for the murder of Eileen Reed.
386
00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:32,274
You have the right
to remain silent.
387
00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:34,944
Anything you say can and will be used...
I am right with God.
388
00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:36,315
Nothing else matters.
389
00:19:36,375 --> 00:19:38,514
You have the right
to an attorney.
390
00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:43,158
"Docket number 6-5-4-7-4."
391
00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:44,954
"People v. Randall Jenkins."
392
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,520
"The charge is murder
in second degree."
393
00:19:47,687 --> 00:19:48,995
(GAVEL BANGING)
394
00:19:49,922 --> 00:19:53,199
The bailiff will eject anyone
from this courtroom
395
00:19:53,459 --> 00:19:56,201
who thinks his opinion
should compete with mine.
396
00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:00,971
Do we have a plea?
397
00:20:01,033 --> 00:20:03,639
I committed no crime
in the eyes of the Lord.
398
00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:06,847
I'll call that
a "not guilty."
399
00:20:06,906 --> 00:20:08,214
Ms. Kincaid?
400
00:20:08,274 --> 00:20:10,185
Other physicians'
lives are at risk
401
00:20:10,242 --> 00:20:12,153
if Mr. Jenkins is
allowed bail, Your Honor.
402
00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,485
It's babies who are at risk.
403
00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:16,857
Mr. Jenkins surrendered as soon as
he became a suspect, Your Honor.
404
00:20:16,916 --> 00:20:18,918
He's not likely to flee now.
405
00:20:18,985 --> 00:20:21,693
Flight's not what
I'm worried about, counselor.
406
00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:25,101
On behalf of the babies
who grow up to be doctors,
407
00:20:25,491 --> 00:20:26,799
bail is denied.
408
00:20:28,127 --> 00:20:31,506
A trial seems like a waste
of the taxpayers' money.
409
00:20:31,664 --> 00:20:34,508
We've got the gun,
your client's confessed.
410
00:20:35,334 --> 00:20:38,975
Are you so afraid to confront
Biblical law in a courtroom?
411
00:20:39,405 --> 00:20:41,009
What is he doing here?
412
00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:43,752
Mr. Jenkins has
asked Father Seeley
413
00:20:43,809 --> 00:20:46,221
to be in attendance
as his spiritual advisor.
414
00:20:48,414 --> 00:20:52,055
Well, in your capacity
as his legal advisor,
415
00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:54,029
would please tell
his spiritual advisor
416
00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:57,966
that Mr. Jenkins has a 100%
chance of being convicted?
417
00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:03,463
And you can drop the honorific.
He's no longer a priest.
418
00:21:04,296 --> 00:21:08,210
Our defense will be
justification.
419
00:21:08,968 --> 00:21:10,242
Justification?
420
00:21:10,336 --> 00:21:12,338
That was laughed out
of court in Florida.
421
00:21:12,405 --> 00:21:15,352
Maybe New York judges
are more sophisticated.
422
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:25,160
You're getting lousy advice from both
heaven and earth here, Mr. Jenkins.
423
00:21:25,217 --> 00:21:27,527
If you go to trial and lose,
424
00:21:28,354 --> 00:21:30,356
you'll draw a maximum sentence.
425
00:21:34,693 --> 00:21:37,264
"Then Peter and the other
Apostles answered,
426
00:21:37,329 --> 00:21:39,900
"'We ought to obey God
rather than men."'
427
00:21:50,276 --> 00:21:52,586
He'd do better
pleading insanity.
428
00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:55,717
It's Seeley sitting there
pulling the strings.
429
00:21:56,549 --> 00:22:00,326
All we know that he actually does
is congratulate the murderers.
430
00:22:00,386 --> 00:22:03,333
We ought to be looking
at him for conspiracy.
431
00:22:03,522 --> 00:22:05,866
Oh, you want to revoke
his right to free speech?
432
00:22:05,925 --> 00:22:09,202
He's trying to revoke a woman's
Constitutional right to choose.
433
00:22:09,261 --> 00:22:11,639
Oh, so two wrongs make a right?
434
00:22:11,697 --> 00:22:14,075
Is that what they taught you
in Harvard Law School?
435
00:22:14,133 --> 00:22:16,704
Maybe we'd be better off
sticking to the case at hand.
436
00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:18,544
Case? What case?
437
00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,446
Justification can
only be claimed
438
00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:23,749
if the killer reasonably believes
they're protecting a human life
439
00:22:23,809 --> 00:22:25,288
from imminent deadly force.
440
00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,881
So Jenkins will claim that he
was protecting human lives
441
00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:31,019
from being terminated by Eileen
Reed when she got to the clinic.
442
00:22:31,083 --> 00:22:33,085
First trimester embryos.
443
00:22:33,185 --> 00:22:35,426
He'll be flying in the face
of statute and case law.
444
00:22:35,488 --> 00:22:36,523
And his attorney will say
445
00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:40,093
that all that matters is what Randall
Jenkins reasonably believed.
446
00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:41,160
ADAM: Nope.
447
00:22:41,527 --> 00:22:44,701
What matters now is what
Judge Newfield believes.
448
00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:52,882
JACK: Justifiable force can only be claimed
in defense of a person, Your Honor.
449
00:22:52,938 --> 00:22:55,475
Under New York law,
a fetus is not a person.
450
00:22:55,808 --> 00:22:59,255
That definition is explicitly
limited to the homicide statute.
451
00:22:59,345 --> 00:23:04,317
Fine. If there was no threat of homicide,
then Mr. Jenkins had no justification.
452
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:08,058
In the matter of
Danielle Smith, Your Honor.
453
00:23:08,954 --> 00:23:11,434
A court in this state
ruled that
454
00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:15,905
an unborn child is a person for the
purpose of being protected from abuse
455
00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:18,737
by its mother's drinking
during her pregnancy.
456
00:23:19,265 --> 00:23:21,472
The context is very similar
to the present case.
457
00:23:21,534 --> 00:23:23,980
That mother's actions
were irresponsible.
458
00:23:24,036 --> 00:23:27,449
Dr. Reed's actions were protected
by the United States Constitution.
459
00:23:27,506 --> 00:23:31,249
Mr. Jenkins has to show
he reasonably believed
460
00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:34,484
the fetuses he was protecting
from Dr. Reed are persons.
461
00:23:34,914 --> 00:23:37,520
This decision makes
that view seem
462
00:23:38,217 --> 00:23:39,389
very reasonable.
463
00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:41,556
Mr. Jenkins cannot
reasonably believe
464
00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:43,964
that a fetus is a person
in the context of abortion
465
00:23:44,023 --> 00:23:46,731
when the Supreme Court
has ruled that it isn't.
466
00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:52,303
Don't you ever disagree with
the Supreme Court, Mr. McCoy?
467
00:23:53,299 --> 00:23:54,300
(SCOFFS)
468
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,576
NEWFIELD: The reasonableness
of Mr. Jenkins' views
469
00:23:57,636 --> 00:24:00,116
is a question of fact,
not of the law.
470
00:24:05,010 --> 00:24:06,819
I'll let it go to the jury.
471
00:24:07,846 --> 00:24:08,984
If, in the course of the trial,
472
00:24:09,048 --> 00:24:11,426
the defense satisfies
its obligation
473
00:24:11,483 --> 00:24:16,262
to establish the other statutory
requirements of justification.
474
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:20,436
Judge Newfield's
playing politics.
475
00:24:20,492 --> 00:24:22,802
He's courting
the pro-life vote.
476
00:24:22,861 --> 00:24:24,602
Maybe
he's just pro-life.
477
00:24:26,365 --> 00:24:29,938
Jack, you say that like
he's pro vanilla ice cream.
478
00:24:30,336 --> 00:24:33,476
Claire, if we make this
trial about feminism,
479
00:24:33,539 --> 00:24:36,884
we'll be taking the bait
and arguing the wrong issues.
480
00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:38,511
Eileen Reed died
481
00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:42,286
because she was protecting a
woman's legal right to choose.
482
00:24:43,015 --> 00:24:44,392
Eileen Reed died
483
00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:48,094
because Randall Jenkins
put a bullet in her head.
484
00:24:52,591 --> 00:24:55,834
The bullet entered the skull two
centimeters above the left orbit.
485
00:24:55,894 --> 00:24:57,999
It passed through
the frontal and parietal lobes
486
00:24:58,063 --> 00:25:00,441
and exited through
the occipital skull.
487
00:25:00,666 --> 00:25:02,168
That gunshot was
the cause of death?
488
00:25:02,234 --> 00:25:03,372
Yes.
489
00:25:03,469 --> 00:25:04,846
Nothing further.
490
00:25:09,975 --> 00:25:13,684
Have you ever conducted an autopsy
on a pregnant woman, Dr. Rogers?
491
00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:15,657
Objection. Beyond
the scope of cross.
492
00:25:15,714 --> 00:25:17,819
This witness was called as
an expert on life and death.
493
00:25:17,883 --> 00:25:19,260
Dr. Reed's death.
494
00:25:19,985 --> 00:25:22,522
That's quite a narrow medical
specialty, isn't it?
495
00:25:22,588 --> 00:25:26,229
I'll allow the question,
Mr. Garnett, despite the sarcasm.
496
00:25:32,931 --> 00:25:36,071
Yes, I have conducted
autopsies on pregnant women.
497
00:25:36,135 --> 00:25:38,547
GARNETT: Does the fetus always die
at the same time as the mother?
498
00:25:38,604 --> 00:25:42,177
Different parts of the body
often die at different times.
499
00:25:42,941 --> 00:25:44,511
Have you ever heard
the phrase "brain dead"?
500
00:25:44,576 --> 00:25:46,249
That's not what I asked you,
Doctor.
501
00:25:46,312 --> 00:25:48,815
Fine. You like
this answer better?
502
00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:54,528
I've autopsied gunshot victims where
the fetus died first, then the brain,
503
00:25:55,354 --> 00:25:59,632
and the rest of the body's been kept
alive on life support for a week.
504
00:26:00,426 --> 00:26:02,269
Your question is moot, sir.
505
00:26:05,331 --> 00:26:08,505
NANCY: Well, I got Dr. Reed's
name when I went to that clinic.
506
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,773
I used it to get her address.
507
00:26:10,836 --> 00:26:12,144
It wasn't that hard.
508
00:26:12,204 --> 00:26:16,209
And the information you obtained about
her, you gave it to Randall Jenkins?
509
00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:18,983
Well, I gave it to
Father Seeley first.
510
00:26:19,178 --> 00:26:20,919
Then Randy asked about it.
511
00:26:21,513 --> 00:26:23,789
I didn't see any harm
in telling him.
512
00:26:23,949 --> 00:26:25,019
When you went to the clinic,
513
00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,792
pretending you wanted to
terminate your pregnancy,
514
00:26:27,853 --> 00:26:29,560
what did Dr. Reed do?
515
00:26:32,624 --> 00:26:35,434
Did Dr. Reed give you
an abortion?
516
00:26:35,694 --> 00:26:37,037
I didn't want one.
517
00:26:37,096 --> 00:26:39,042
But Dr. Reed
didn't know that.
518
00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:41,843
Did she start preparing
to give you one?
519
00:26:42,401 --> 00:26:43,402
No.
520
00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:45,370
Why not?
521
00:26:48,707 --> 00:26:50,709
She said I seemed unsure.
522
00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:54,621
She wanted me to take a few
days to make up my mind.
523
00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:59,591
So your pregnancy wasn't in
any imminent danger, was it?
524
00:26:59,885 --> 00:27:00,886
No.
525
00:27:06,024 --> 00:27:07,662
When Mr. Jenkins
526
00:27:08,694 --> 00:27:10,367
asked you for
Dr. Reed's schedule,
527
00:27:10,429 --> 00:27:12,238
why did you give it to him?
528
00:27:12,331 --> 00:27:13,332
Why not?
529
00:27:13,699 --> 00:27:14,939
I knew Randy.
530
00:27:15,234 --> 00:27:17,475
He devoted his life
to the pre-born.
531
00:27:17,536 --> 00:27:20,483
How else did he show
his devotion?
532
00:27:20,539 --> 00:27:22,644
NANCY:
Randy mailed out letters,
533
00:27:23,075 --> 00:27:25,055
he handed out flyers,
534
00:27:25,611 --> 00:27:28,649
he did sidewalk counseling
outside of clinics,
535
00:27:28,947 --> 00:27:30,051
he sat in.
536
00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:33,324
He chained himself to clinic doors
so they couldn't be opened.
537
00:27:33,385 --> 00:27:36,662
So, shooting Dr. Reed
538
00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:38,727
wasn't the first thing he did
539
00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:41,532
in his efforts to save
the pre-born?
540
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,961
No.
541
00:27:43,829 --> 00:27:45,775
No, he tried non-violence.
542
00:27:46,365 --> 00:27:47,673
It didn't work.
543
00:27:48,233 --> 00:27:49,337
GARNETT: Thank you.
544
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:54,749
She's not just testifying
for him, she's lying for him.
545
00:27:54,806 --> 00:27:58,379
Jenkins was violent at least once
before at that clinic on Long Island.
546
00:27:58,443 --> 00:28:00,116
Maybe she didn't know.
547
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:01,917
He ran amok
in an abortion clinic.
548
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:03,721
That's a badge of honor
among these people.
549
00:28:03,782 --> 00:28:05,523
Why wouldn't he tell her?
550
00:28:06,552 --> 00:28:08,156
It might've even
helped the defense show
551
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:12,327
that Jenkins tried other lesser
means before resorting to murder.
552
00:28:13,492 --> 00:28:15,665
Find out why
he kept it to himself.
553
00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:21,435
They sneak up
to the window sometimes.
554
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:23,946
There'll be a scared college
girl waiting for the procedure,
555
00:28:24,002 --> 00:28:27,245
and some creep will be going,
"Save a life, don't take one."
556
00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:29,786
I got the impression Randall
Jenkins did a lot more than that.
557
00:28:29,841 --> 00:28:30,842
Oh, yeah.
558
00:28:30,943 --> 00:28:32,854
I'd like to find out when
he's having a prostate exam
559
00:28:32,911 --> 00:28:34,584
and pull him off the table.
560
00:28:34,646 --> 00:28:36,319
He got into an examining room?
561
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:38,918
Knocked over two secretaries
and a nurse to get there.
562
00:28:38,984 --> 00:28:40,827
He seemed to be
after a particular patient.
563
00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:42,888
But none of the patients
testified against him.
564
00:28:42,955 --> 00:28:46,528
She was gone by the time the police
arrived, and she never came back.
565
00:28:46,592 --> 00:28:48,435
Joan Smith. In the city.
566
00:28:48,694 --> 00:28:50,605
432 Canal Street.
567
00:28:56,435 --> 00:28:57,436
JOANNA: Yes?
568
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:59,208
Miss Smith?
569
00:29:00,505 --> 00:29:03,247
Or should I say
Mrs. Jenkins?
570
00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:11,688
When Randy asked me to marry him,
I thought that was what I wanted.
571
00:29:12,885 --> 00:29:14,421
People make mistakes.
572
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,624
They grow.
573
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,234
Randy doesn't grow.
574
00:29:18,624 --> 00:29:20,001
He never changes.
575
00:29:21,894 --> 00:29:25,706
No matter what happens, he stays
precisely, exactly the same.
576
00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:27,775
But you changed.
577
00:29:31,036 --> 00:29:33,073
When I found out
I was pregnant,
578
00:29:34,339 --> 00:29:37,752
it meant I either had to
stay with Randy
579
00:29:38,877 --> 00:29:41,016
or raise the baby by myself.
580
00:29:45,817 --> 00:29:48,457
I don't have any money, I...
581
00:29:52,524 --> 00:29:54,731
It was so hard
to decide what to do.
582
00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:03,938
Randy followed you
to the clinic?
583
00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:08,173
Yeah.
584
00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:09,917
I ran away.
585
00:30:13,045 --> 00:30:16,720
Two weeks later, I went to
a clinic in New Jersey.
586
00:30:19,685 --> 00:30:21,687
I told him I had a miscarriage.
587
00:30:22,221 --> 00:30:24,030
He didn't believe me.
588
00:30:25,691 --> 00:30:28,365
Do you think he told his
friends what happened?
589
00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:29,701
How could he?
590
00:30:29,895 --> 00:30:31,272
He's so pro-life.
591
00:30:33,565 --> 00:30:36,978
He tried to make me say where I
had it done, but I never would.
592
00:30:37,035 --> 00:30:39,538
Why do you think
he wanted to know?
593
00:30:40,405 --> 00:30:42,715
Well, he wanted to
get even with them.
594
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:45,814
Your wife wouldn't tell you
who performed the procedure,
595
00:30:45,877 --> 00:30:48,221
so you just shot the first
doctor you could find.
596
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,194
She was doing abortions
every Tuesday and Thursday.
597
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:55,527
But you didn't kill her to stop
those abortions, Mr. Jenkins,
598
00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:57,260
you killed her for revenge.
599
00:30:57,322 --> 00:30:59,859
Your justification defense
just evaporated.
600
00:31:00,325 --> 00:31:02,032
This time it was mine.
601
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:06,405
I never got to know him.
602
00:31:10,802 --> 00:31:12,975
Why isn't anybody
mourning for him?
603
00:31:16,341 --> 00:31:18,753
Give us a few minutes,
would you, please?
604
00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:30,260
He could still take the stand and
try to talk his way out of it.
605
00:31:30,322 --> 00:31:33,462
Seeley is probably in there
writing a new press release.
606
00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:36,666
We're ready.
607
00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:40,442
My client will take a plea.
Manslaughter one.
608
00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:42,305
In exchange for what?
609
00:31:42,367 --> 00:31:43,607
The guilty party.
610
00:31:44,136 --> 00:31:45,877
He didn't shoot her?
611
00:31:47,372 --> 00:31:48,646
He shot her.
612
00:31:49,274 --> 00:31:51,880
But someone else tracked her
down, gave Mr. Jenkins the gun,
613
00:31:51,943 --> 00:31:54,514
drove him to the garage,
pointed out Dr. Reed,
614
00:31:54,579 --> 00:31:57,788
told him to shoot her,
then drove him away.
615
00:32:00,819 --> 00:32:01,820
I see.
616
00:32:03,955 --> 00:32:07,061
You promised Jenkins
he'd get off, but he won't.
617
00:32:08,193 --> 00:32:10,730
So now you're handing over
another fall guy.
618
00:32:12,664 --> 00:32:14,735
That's right, Mr. McCoy.
619
00:32:15,967 --> 00:32:16,968
Me.
620
00:32:24,209 --> 00:32:26,246
Seeley wanted to put
abortion on trial,
621
00:32:26,311 --> 00:32:29,155
but Jenkins' revenge motive
muddied the waters,
622
00:32:29,214 --> 00:32:31,854
so now Seeley steps up
as the ideal defendant.
623
00:32:31,917 --> 00:32:34,761
Didn't he tell the police
he had an alibi?
624
00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:38,357
Now he says he caused a ruckus
at the pro-choice conference
625
00:32:38,423 --> 00:32:40,232
but slipped away early.
626
00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:41,794
I talked to
the conference organizer.
627
00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:44,500
She now says she's not
sure what time he left.
628
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:48,073
So he changes his story because
he wants his show trial.
629
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:51,012
And our organizer lady
changes her story
630
00:32:51,069 --> 00:32:53,310
because she wants
Seeley in jail.
631
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,844
And is there anyone in town
632
00:32:56,908 --> 00:32:58,512
who is not using this office
633
00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:00,284
for their own personal agenda?
634
00:33:00,345 --> 00:33:01,517
JACK: I'm giving
Jenkins his deal.
635
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:02,923
We try Seeley for murder.
636
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,722
Why?
You like being used?
637
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:08,691
Seeley is more dangerous
than a dozen Jenkinses.
638
00:33:08,887 --> 00:33:11,333
Isn't justice served by putting
them both behind bars?
639
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:13,426
For the greater good, huh?
640
00:33:15,026 --> 00:33:17,199
Sounds like one of
Seeley's arguments
641
00:33:17,262 --> 00:33:19,970
which you are about to hear
most eloquently.
642
00:33:20,031 --> 00:33:21,772
He's representing himself.
643
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:32,120
Well-meaning people
can disagree.
644
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:38,260
Especially about the most emotionally
divisive issue to confront this country
645
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:40,127
in this century.
646
00:33:43,054 --> 00:33:44,431
Drew Seeley
647
00:33:45,424 --> 00:33:48,234
has an opinion about
abortion, too.
648
00:33:49,461 --> 00:33:52,670
He thinks his opinion
entitles him to kill people.
649
00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:57,178
He will tell you that he had a
good reason to do what he did.
650
00:33:57,736 --> 00:33:59,511
This is what he did.
651
00:34:01,072 --> 00:34:05,043
He hunted down
a woman named Eileen Reed.
652
00:34:07,145 --> 00:34:10,058
He handed
Randall Jenkins a gun.
653
00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:15,898
He told Randall Jenkins to
shoot Eileen Reed in the head,
654
00:34:18,123 --> 00:34:19,261
and he did.
655
00:34:21,126 --> 00:34:22,469
Drew Seeley
656
00:34:23,495 --> 00:34:26,442
is a self-appointed
executioner.
657
00:34:29,234 --> 00:34:31,976
If you let him get away
with it, you better pray
658
00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:36,077
that people like him don't
find some fault with you.
659
00:34:51,356 --> 00:34:55,270
A hundred and fifty years ago,
you weren't considered a person.
660
00:34:57,128 --> 00:34:58,163
Or you.
661
00:34:58,797 --> 00:34:59,798
Or you.
662
00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:03,847
A man named John Brown
thought that was wrong,
663
00:35:04,035 --> 00:35:06,208
so he took violent action
664
00:35:06,872 --> 00:35:09,011
to liberate
black American slaves.
665
00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:13,545
Well, he was arrested
and brought to trial
666
00:35:15,046 --> 00:35:17,048
because slavery was legal.
667
00:35:17,482 --> 00:35:19,985
And the law said...
The law said
668
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,462
that slaves were not persons
deserving of protection.
669
00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:29,234
He was convicted
and he was hanged.
670
00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:32,040
But you know what?
671
00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:37,038
John Brown was right,
and the law was wrong.
672
00:35:38,837 --> 00:35:41,579
And now John Brown is
considered a hero.
673
00:35:43,608 --> 00:35:47,055
Today abortion is legal.
674
00:35:48,613 --> 00:35:50,183
But I say to you,
675
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:54,626
that law is wrong.
676
00:35:56,388 --> 00:35:58,800
And like John Brown,
I follow...
677
00:36:01,092 --> 00:36:02,594
a higher law.
678
00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:06,208
I ask you
679
00:36:07,399 --> 00:36:08,707
to do the same.
680
00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:16,080
My wife got a call.
681
00:36:16,508 --> 00:36:19,045
The man did not
identify himself.
682
00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:22,387
He said he wanted to rip her
limbs out of their sockets
683
00:36:22,447 --> 00:36:25,394
just like she did
every Tuesday and Thursday.
684
00:36:28,386 --> 00:36:31,492
I call your attention to
People's Exhibit Four,
685
00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:35,770
stipulated as originating
on Mr. Seeley's Xerox machine.
686
00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:41,207
Do you know how this came into
your wife's possession?
687
00:36:41,266 --> 00:36:42,267
Yes.
688
00:36:42,334 --> 00:36:45,372
That was the first one she
ever got with her name on it.
689
00:36:45,437 --> 00:36:48,577
A few days before she was killed,
it was sent to her private office.
690
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,551
JACK: Did your wife try to
keep her name a secret
691
00:36:50,608 --> 00:36:52,315
from people
who opposed her activities?
692
00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:53,378
SIMON: Yes.
693
00:36:53,745 --> 00:36:56,055
Some of these people are crazy.
694
00:36:57,048 --> 00:37:00,518
She was always afraid that one
of the real nuts would find her.
695
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:02,223
Thank you.
696
00:37:04,089 --> 00:37:06,569
Dr. Reed,
your wife was upset
697
00:37:06,624 --> 00:37:10,037
to receive these
calls and letters?
698
00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:11,199
Of course.
699
00:37:11,363 --> 00:37:14,003
SEELEY: But she didn't stop
performing abortions, did she?
700
00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:15,066
No.
701
00:37:15,166 --> 00:37:17,077
I told her it wasn't worth it,
702
00:37:17,335 --> 00:37:19,576
but she said she wouldn't
allow women
703
00:37:19,637 --> 00:37:22,481
to be deprived of
their right of choice
704
00:37:22,707 --> 00:37:24,709
by people threatening her life.
705
00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:28,990
Did you want her to stop?
706
00:37:29,047 --> 00:37:30,492
I wanted her alive.
707
00:37:31,149 --> 00:37:33,060
So we both tried to stop her.
708
00:37:33,318 --> 00:37:36,822
But nothing would make her
stop as long as she lived.
709
00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:39,166
JACK: Objection!
You son of a bitch!
710
00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:40,567
SEELEY: Nothing further.
Mr. Seeley!
711
00:37:40,625 --> 00:37:42,002
Nothing further!
712
00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:51,942
JACK: Please tell us your
occupation, Dr. Moran.
713
00:37:52,003 --> 00:37:56,645
I'm an obstetrician, and I frequently
write and lecture on medical ethics.
714
00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:00,347
You've also been an advisor
to Mr. Seeley, haven't you?
715
00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:04,620
Some of my work has contributed to
his opposition to abortion, yes.
716
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:09,765
Does any of your expertise in this
area derive from your own experience?
717
00:38:10,221 --> 00:38:11,222
Yes.
718
00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:14,129
I used to perform them myself
719
00:38:15,393 --> 00:38:19,398
until I awoke to the fact
that they are wrong.
720
00:38:22,867 --> 00:38:25,404
When you were
still performing them,
721
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:28,742
would Mr. Seeley have been
justified in killing you?
722
00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:33,216
(SIGHS)
723
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:38,850
Yes.
724
00:38:40,952 --> 00:38:43,865
I was, in effect,
committing murder.
725
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:49,564
In effect?
726
00:38:53,264 --> 00:38:55,710
I was committing murder.
727
00:39:00,071 --> 00:39:01,175
Fine.
728
00:39:06,177 --> 00:39:07,918
Would you please stand up?
729
00:39:10,415 --> 00:39:11,951
Officer, arrest this woman.
730
00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:13,290
Mr. McCoy.
731
00:39:13,418 --> 00:39:16,126
We've just heard a confession
of murder, Your Honor.
732
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,167
Officer...
I'm not amused, Mr. McCoy!
733
00:39:18,223 --> 00:39:20,567
How many counts of murder should
we charge you with, Dr. Moran?
734
00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:22,002
SCARLETTI: Mr. McCoy!
735
00:39:23,261 --> 00:39:25,764
May I remind you
that abortion is legal?
736
00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:28,469
Thank you, Your Honor.
737
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,177
"The Lord said unto Jeremiah,"
738
00:39:39,277 --> 00:39:41,655
"I knew you
when you were in the womb."
739
00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:48,353
I tried to stop
the abortionists
740
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:51,958
by marching,
by sitting in, by threats.
741
00:39:52,857 --> 00:39:55,929
I even called the police
to report murders in progress.
742
00:39:56,127 --> 00:39:57,367
They laughed.
743
00:39:57,862 --> 00:40:00,775
And the death camp clinics
kept on working.
744
00:40:03,668 --> 00:40:05,238
I did the only thing
745
00:40:06,805 --> 00:40:08,910
that was left for me to do.
746
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:15,290
I am before you
as a servant of God.
747
00:40:20,151 --> 00:40:22,062
I'm ready for your questions.
748
00:40:30,528 --> 00:40:31,802
So, Mr. Seeley,
749
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,338
you believe
750
00:40:38,303 --> 00:40:41,716
that doctors who terminate
pregnancies should be killed?
751
00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:42,877
Yes, I do.
752
00:40:42,941 --> 00:40:44,147
JACK: And your reasons
for doing this
753
00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:46,017
are grounded in the Bible?
SEELEY: Yes.
754
00:40:46,077 --> 00:40:47,715
Do you do everything
that the Bible tells you?
755
00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:49,053
I try to.
756
00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:50,716
Well, do you keep slaves?
757
00:40:50,782 --> 00:40:52,853
Ephesians 6:5,
758
00:40:53,218 --> 00:40:57,360
"Slaves, obey your worldly masters
with fear and trembling."
759
00:40:57,422 --> 00:40:58,924
No, Mr. McCoy.
760
00:40:59,124 --> 00:41:01,866
The Bible simply recognizes
a practice of ancient times.
761
00:41:01,926 --> 00:41:03,530
Without condemning it.
762
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,410
Does the Bible
specifically condemn abortion?
763
00:41:08,833 --> 00:41:10,437
No.
JACK: No?
764
00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:13,877
So, have you been
reading God's mind?
765
00:41:16,574 --> 00:41:20,647
"Rescue the weak and the
needy." Psalm 82, Verse 4.
766
00:41:20,712 --> 00:41:22,055
Is that what you do?
767
00:41:22,113 --> 00:41:23,217
Yes, I do.
768
00:41:23,548 --> 00:41:24,925
You don't rescue the weak,
769
00:41:24,983 --> 00:41:28,055
you manipulate the weak
to kill people for you.
770
00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:31,156
Randall Jenkins
followed God's word
771
00:41:31,956 --> 00:41:34,061
and performed a righteous act.
772
00:41:34,759 --> 00:41:35,760
Did he?
773
00:41:40,264 --> 00:41:41,971
If it was so righteous,
774
00:41:44,035 --> 00:41:45,981
why didn't you do it yourself?
775
00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:51,081
My God-given gift
776
00:41:51,743 --> 00:41:54,349
is to organize and lead.
Oh.
777
00:41:57,048 --> 00:42:00,029
When you were drafted in the
Vietnam War, did you go?
778
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:01,519
Yes.
779
00:42:01,619 --> 00:42:04,361
As a non-combatant
conscientious objector.
780
00:42:04,422 --> 00:42:05,423
Yes.
781
00:42:06,191 --> 00:42:08,637
So that you wouldn't have to shoot
anyone, isn't that correct?
782
00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:11,196
Oh, I would have shot, if
necessary, to protect others.
783
00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:12,798
But you didn't do it.
784
00:42:12,897 --> 00:42:14,001
Well, I wasn't called upon.
785
00:42:14,065 --> 00:42:15,442
There were plenty of
other men with guns.
786
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:16,535
And then in the 1970s,
787
00:42:16,601 --> 00:42:19,172
you were active in a campaign
against capital punishment?
788
00:42:19,237 --> 00:42:21,308
Capital punishment is revenge.
789
00:42:21,906 --> 00:42:25,444
I killed Dr. Reed to prevent
deaths, not to avenge them.
790
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:27,820
You believe that killing is
wrong, don't you, Mr. Seeley?
791
00:42:27,879 --> 00:42:28,949
Of course.
792
00:42:29,013 --> 00:42:31,619
Does the Bible
specifically condemn murder?
793
00:42:31,683 --> 00:42:33,560
Yes.
"Thou shalt not kill."
794
00:42:33,751 --> 00:42:35,424
That's why I oppose abortion.
795
00:42:35,486 --> 00:42:38,729
And that's also why
you don't shoot doctors
796
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:41,134
who perform abortions.
797
00:42:41,192 --> 00:42:42,193
No.
798
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:43,500
I just told you,
799
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:47,805
others do that so that I can stay out
of jail and keep the movement alive.
800
00:42:47,865 --> 00:42:50,675
Well, but you're ready
to go to jail now.
801
00:42:51,202 --> 00:42:52,272
You never would
have been arrested
802
00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:55,283
or brought to trial
if you hadn't confessed.
803
00:42:56,874 --> 00:42:59,286
The Lord called me
to come forward.
804
00:42:59,377 --> 00:43:01,448
And it's a sin to
disobey God, isn't it?
805
00:43:01,512 --> 00:43:02,718
Yes, it is.
806
00:43:04,782 --> 00:43:06,989
Are you a sinner,
Mr. Seeley?
807
00:43:07,952 --> 00:43:10,262
I fear that all men
are sinners, Mr. McCoy.
808
00:43:10,321 --> 00:43:12,028
And what is your sin?
809
00:43:14,192 --> 00:43:15,569
This is neither the time
nor the place.
810
00:43:15,626 --> 00:43:18,800
On the contrary, this is exactly
the time and the place.
811
00:43:20,965 --> 00:43:23,605
God calls you
to organize murders,
812
00:43:23,801 --> 00:43:26,407
God calls you
to take credit for murders,
813
00:43:26,738 --> 00:43:29,617
but God never calls on you
to pull the trigger?
814
00:43:31,776 --> 00:43:33,653
Each of us has a role.
815
00:43:35,513 --> 00:43:37,254
You can't do it, can you?
816
00:43:38,850 --> 00:43:40,852
You can't bring yourself
to shoot someone,
817
00:43:40,918 --> 00:43:43,228
even though you think
God is telling you to do it,
818
00:43:43,287 --> 00:43:44,664
you can't do it.
819
00:43:44,889 --> 00:43:46,698
I put the gun
in Randall's hand!
820
00:43:46,758 --> 00:43:47,930
I told him where to point it!
821
00:43:47,992 --> 00:43:50,871
You can't point a gun
at another human being,
822
00:43:50,928 --> 00:43:53,772
even an abortion doctor,
and pull the trigger,
823
00:43:53,831 --> 00:43:56,675
because in your soul
you know it's wrong!
824
00:43:56,734 --> 00:43:57,872
God says it's right!
825
00:43:57,935 --> 00:43:58,970
You don't believe that.
826
00:43:59,037 --> 00:44:00,414
I believe in the Lord my God...
827
00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:01,779
Your defense is a lie!
828
00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:05,548
No, what is a lie is the arrogant
belief that what you're doing here
829
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:08,987
furthers justice! Answer
my question, Mr. Seeley.
830
00:44:15,987 --> 00:44:19,560
You are unable to
shoot doctors yourself
831
00:44:20,358 --> 00:44:22,565
because in your soul
832
00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:24,602
you know it's wrong.
833
00:44:30,835 --> 00:44:34,214
You took an oath on the Bible
to tell the truth here.
834
00:44:40,278 --> 00:44:41,552
We're waiting.
835
00:44:42,914 --> 00:44:44,723
He's badgering me, Your Honor.
836
00:44:44,782 --> 00:44:47,353
I'll instruct him to
lower the temperature,
837
00:44:47,452 --> 00:44:49,955
but you still have to
answer the question.
838
00:44:59,096 --> 00:45:00,370
We're waiting.
839
00:45:06,704 --> 00:45:08,479
If he doesn't believe
his own defense, Your Honor,
840
00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:10,212
there's no way you can
send it to the jury.
841
00:45:10,274 --> 00:45:11,878
He's right,
Mr. Seeley.
842
00:45:11,943 --> 00:45:14,253
The heart of
the justification defense
843
00:45:14,445 --> 00:45:15,924
is what you believe.
844
00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:19,792
If you're not prepared to say you
believe this killing was justified,
845
00:45:20,151 --> 00:45:22,188
I cannot let the jury
consider the defense.
846
00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:24,494
I believe killing abortionists
is moral.
847
00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:27,263
But you won't tell us why you
don't pull the trigger yourself.
848
00:45:27,325 --> 00:45:28,861
That is between me and my God!
849
00:45:28,926 --> 00:45:30,633
And me, Mr. Seeley.
850
00:45:31,396 --> 00:45:33,376
If you won't
answer the question,
851
00:45:33,431 --> 00:45:37,402
I will order the jury not to
consider the justification defense.
852
00:45:37,935 --> 00:45:40,211
That means you have no defense.
853
00:45:43,608 --> 00:45:47,078
If Mr. McCoy is willing to offer
you any kind of plea bargain,
854
00:45:48,212 --> 00:45:50,089
I suggest you take it.
855
00:45:55,386 --> 00:45:57,195
Seeley pleaded to murder two.
856
00:45:57,255 --> 00:45:59,565
We made it 20-to-life
instead of 25.
857
00:45:59,624 --> 00:46:01,729
One for the books, I tell you.
858
00:46:01,826 --> 00:46:04,306
Make it clear that
you can't kill anyone,
859
00:46:04,562 --> 00:46:07,236
and that's what
nails him for murder.
860
00:46:07,298 --> 00:46:09,039
It's in his own mind, too.
861
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,373
He felt guilty 'cause
he didn't kill the doctors.
862
00:46:11,436 --> 00:46:12,437
Yeah.
863
00:46:12,536 --> 00:46:16,382
He says God wants him to go to prison
and minister to souls in chains.
864
00:46:16,541 --> 00:46:19,351
Don't you love it
when everybody's happy?
865
00:46:19,401 --> 00:46:23,951
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