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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,335 --> 00:00:01,469 . 2 00:00:01,502 --> 00:00:02,536 - We got 39 families looking for justice. 3 00:00:03,637 --> 00:00:07,341 - But when I get this case file, it's got to be legit. 4 00:00:07,375 --> 00:00:08,409 - Hi, Tamra. 5 00:00:08,442 --> 00:00:09,510 Do you remember anything about him? 6 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:12,813 - He had a silver skull ring. 7 00:00:12,846 --> 00:00:14,548 - Dylan Oates, 22. 8 00:00:14,582 --> 00:00:16,417 - You know, I work with a detective. 9 00:00:16,450 --> 00:00:18,552 You killed his daughter in that fire. 10 00:00:18,586 --> 00:00:21,789 - Heard you had a suspect. - He, uh, confessed. 11 00:00:21,822 --> 00:00:23,457 - To who? - Me. 12 00:00:23,491 --> 00:00:26,294 - What did he say exactly? - Do you want the case or not? 13 00:00:28,562 --> 00:00:30,531 [indistinct chatter] 14 00:00:30,564 --> 00:00:32,400 [camera shutters clicking] 15 00:00:32,433 --> 00:00:33,401 - What can you tell us about him? 16 00:00:33,434 --> 00:00:36,137 - His name is Dylan Oates. He's 22 years old. 17 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:37,805 - We heard he confessed. - No comment. 18 00:00:37,838 --> 00:00:39,307 - Why'd he do it, Mr. Stone? 19 00:00:39,340 --> 00:00:40,508 - Pyromaniacs don't need a reason. 20 00:00:40,541 --> 00:00:42,143 - The fact is, Mr. Oates has asserted 21 00:00:42,176 --> 00:00:43,344 his Fifth Amendment rights. 22 00:00:43,377 --> 00:00:44,578 I haven't spoken to him as of yet. 23 00:00:44,612 --> 00:00:46,347 - But he's the guy? 24 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:48,182 - Yes, he is. 25 00:00:48,216 --> 00:00:50,118 - Does he have an attorney? - Is he from Chicago? 26 00:00:50,151 --> 00:00:52,420 - Mr. Stone, does he have a record? 27 00:00:52,453 --> 00:00:56,857 [indistinct chatter] 28 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:59,560 [camera shutters clicking] 29 00:00:59,593 --> 00:01:02,596 [pensive music] 30 00:01:02,630 --> 00:01:06,334 * 31 00:01:06,367 --> 00:01:08,169 - We don't usually get to see you 32 00:01:08,202 --> 00:01:10,238 at a bond hearing, Mr. Stone. 33 00:01:10,271 --> 00:01:15,343 But this isn't your garden-variety homicide. 34 00:01:15,376 --> 00:01:17,245 Where's your attorney, son? 35 00:01:17,278 --> 00:01:18,179 - I don't have one. 36 00:01:18,212 --> 00:01:20,181 Excuse me, Judge, but this is just about 37 00:01:20,214 --> 00:01:21,449 whether or not I get bail, right? 38 00:01:21,482 --> 00:01:22,683 - That is correct. 39 00:01:22,716 --> 00:01:24,552 - Then it doesn't really matter, does it? 40 00:01:24,585 --> 00:01:27,121 I waive counsel. - Hang him! 41 00:01:27,155 --> 00:01:28,889 - Burn him! - You killed my boy! 42 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:32,160 [indistinct shouting] 43 00:01:34,228 --> 00:01:35,363 [gavel bangs] 44 00:01:35,396 --> 00:01:37,331 - No bail it is. 45 00:01:37,365 --> 00:01:38,266 Next case. 46 00:01:38,299 --> 00:01:41,435 - Get him out of here! - See you in hell! 47 00:01:55,249 --> 00:01:55,383 . 48 00:01:55,416 --> 00:01:56,150 - You don't want to know how many cases 49 00:01:57,017 --> 00:01:59,320 with confessions I've seen crash and burn. 50 00:01:59,353 --> 00:02:01,189 - You may want to add this to the pile. 51 00:02:01,222 --> 00:02:02,490 Voight says he confessed. 52 00:02:02,523 --> 00:02:03,857 - But you have your doubts. 53 00:02:03,891 --> 00:02:05,793 - I haven't heard from Dawson yet, 54 00:02:05,826 --> 00:02:07,328 but Olinsky's kid died in the fire. 55 00:02:07,361 --> 00:02:10,198 - Hmm. Good morning. - But a girl did ID the suspect. 56 00:02:10,231 --> 00:02:12,566 - She saw him set the fire? - Yes. 57 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,402 - And she picked him out of a lineup? 58 00:02:14,435 --> 00:02:16,437 - She's having trouble with her vision. 59 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:19,840 - But she described his ring and his coat. 60 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:21,775 He was wearing both when he was arrested. 61 00:02:21,809 --> 00:02:24,512 - Why? - Because he's a monster. 62 00:02:24,545 --> 00:02:26,447 - Someone kills 39 kids 63 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,249 and injures God knows how many more-- 64 00:02:28,282 --> 00:02:29,850 you're damn right he's a monster. 65 00:02:29,883 --> 00:02:31,885 The problem is juries can't accept it. 66 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,521 It's out of their comfort zone. 67 00:02:33,554 --> 00:02:35,889 But you give them a big, fat, juicy "why," 68 00:02:35,923 --> 00:02:38,326 and they'll crawl into their beds, close their eyes, 69 00:02:38,359 --> 00:02:40,928 and drift off, thinking they're actually safe. 70 00:02:40,961 --> 00:02:43,364 - I'll put Dawson and Nagel on it. 71 00:02:43,397 --> 00:02:46,300 - Oh, and, Peter... 72 00:02:46,334 --> 00:02:50,304 Enormous tragedies make career cases. 73 00:02:50,338 --> 00:02:53,507 You win this one, it could make your career. 74 00:02:53,541 --> 00:02:58,212 But you lose, it could destroy mine. 75 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:04,552 - Hey. 76 00:03:11,859 --> 00:03:14,528 - Hey, man. I'm so sorry. 77 00:03:14,562 --> 00:03:17,265 - Yeah. Yeah. 78 00:03:17,298 --> 00:03:20,301 - Hey... 79 00:03:20,334 --> 00:03:23,271 I loved Lexi. We all did. 80 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:25,906 - Domestic monitors. Can you believe this crap? 81 00:03:25,939 --> 00:03:28,609 Like I'm gonna hurt my own kid. 82 00:03:31,579 --> 00:03:33,981 I'm sorry for your loss, Al. 83 00:03:36,484 --> 00:03:38,952 - [softly] Thanks. 84 00:03:38,986 --> 00:03:41,389 Walk with me for a second. 85 00:03:48,028 --> 00:03:51,565 You know, the thing is, sometimes guys in your position 86 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,834 might get hit by a bout of ethics, 87 00:03:53,867 --> 00:03:56,670 and then there's some pain-in-the-ass defense attorney 88 00:03:56,704 --> 00:03:59,006 crying coercion. 89 00:04:02,876 --> 00:04:04,912 Okay, good. 90 00:04:09,617 --> 00:04:11,485 - Did he confess, Al? 91 00:04:13,387 --> 00:04:17,325 - That son of a bitch... 92 00:04:17,358 --> 00:04:19,660 he killed Lexi. 93 00:04:19,693 --> 00:04:22,663 [melancholy music] 94 00:04:22,696 --> 00:04:29,903 * 95 00:04:32,473 --> 00:04:33,907 - Jesus. 96 00:04:35,743 --> 00:04:38,979 - How bad am I, complaining about my kid issues? 97 00:04:39,012 --> 00:04:39,847 I honestly don't know 98 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,015 how he's gonna make it through the day. 99 00:04:42,049 --> 00:04:45,353 - All I know is I couldn't. 100 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:47,688 - So was that the sound of the vice squeezing? 101 00:04:47,721 --> 00:04:51,492 - You want to ask me something, go ahead. 102 00:04:51,525 --> 00:04:53,561 - On a good day, a confession from your old crew 103 00:04:53,594 --> 00:04:54,728 smells a little hinky. 104 00:04:54,762 --> 00:04:56,397 With Olinsky's kid a victim-- 105 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:59,433 - I don't know, okay? 106 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:01,602 I wasn't there, so I didn't hear anything. 107 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:03,704 - Hey, I'm a team player, is all. 108 00:05:03,737 --> 00:05:07,074 I'd just like to know which team I'm on before the game starts. 109 00:05:12,112 --> 00:05:13,614 [indistinct shouting] - We need you to move back. 110 00:05:13,647 --> 00:05:15,115 - Uh-uh, back up. 111 00:05:15,148 --> 00:05:17,050 No comment. 112 00:05:17,084 --> 00:05:18,752 Come on. - You hear her? Back up. 113 00:05:19,953 --> 00:05:22,523 - This is all a shock. I'm sorry. 114 00:05:22,556 --> 00:05:24,525 James! 115 00:05:24,558 --> 00:05:27,561 I just can't get those poor children out of my head. 116 00:05:27,595 --> 00:05:28,962 What you must think of us... 117 00:05:28,996 --> 00:05:31,699 Dylan couldn't have done this. 118 00:05:31,732 --> 00:05:35,436 - Why do you say that? - We're good people. 119 00:05:35,469 --> 00:05:37,471 James, these people are investigators 120 00:05:37,505 --> 00:05:40,007 from the State's Attorney's office. 121 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,676 - You can't talk to us. We have rights. 122 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:43,544 - Actually, you don't 123 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:45,413 until someone accuses you of something. 124 00:05:45,446 --> 00:05:47,415 - Yeah, we'll see about that. 125 00:05:48,982 --> 00:05:51,685 - Did Dylan go to the party with anyone? 126 00:05:51,719 --> 00:05:54,722 - I don't really know who his friends are. 127 00:05:54,755 --> 00:05:56,624 I doubt he would even go to a rave. 128 00:05:56,657 --> 00:05:58,559 - When are these pricks gonna leave us alone? 129 00:05:58,592 --> 00:06:00,994 - Unfortunately, they have rights. 130 00:06:05,132 --> 00:06:06,099 - Why did you say 131 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:09,102 that Dylan wouldn't go to a rave, Mrs. Oates? 132 00:06:09,136 --> 00:06:11,505 - He kept to himself, mostly. 133 00:06:11,539 --> 00:06:13,674 His head was always in his computer. 134 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:15,543 Eight hours a day wasn't enough for him. 135 00:06:15,576 --> 00:06:16,610 - He was a programmer? 136 00:06:16,644 --> 00:06:20,414 - Data processing-- whatever that is. 137 00:06:31,792 --> 00:06:34,027 [knock at door] 138 00:06:34,061 --> 00:06:35,496 - Hey. 139 00:06:35,529 --> 00:06:37,831 What'd you find? 140 00:06:37,865 --> 00:06:41,101 - He's snooty. He's weird. He's shy. 141 00:06:41,134 --> 00:06:42,436 He'd "never go dancing." 142 00:06:42,470 --> 00:06:44,472 Nobody seems to know a lot about him. 143 00:06:44,505 --> 00:06:47,007 But he spends a lot of time online. 144 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,677 - Unfortunately, none of that is an element of murder. 145 00:06:51,479 --> 00:06:52,613 - Right. 146 00:06:57,785 --> 00:06:59,219 You don't have kids, do you? 147 00:06:59,252 --> 00:07:01,755 - No. 148 00:07:01,789 --> 00:07:05,759 - I remember when I could hold Diego in the palm of my hand. 149 00:07:05,793 --> 00:07:08,496 I'd look at him and think, 150 00:07:08,529 --> 00:07:10,464 "There's a surgeon, 151 00:07:10,498 --> 00:07:12,533 a one guard for the Bulls." 152 00:07:15,168 --> 00:07:18,105 I want to grab Olinsky... 153 00:07:18,138 --> 00:07:21,542 and tell him it's gonna be okay, but it's not. 154 00:07:21,575 --> 00:07:23,744 It never will be. 155 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:26,714 [sighs] 156 00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:29,216 The confession... 157 00:07:29,249 --> 00:07:31,652 I didn't actually hear it. 158 00:07:31,685 --> 00:07:34,522 [dramatic music] 159 00:07:34,555 --> 00:07:36,189 - Who did? 160 00:07:36,223 --> 00:07:37,891 - Voight and Olinsky. 161 00:07:37,925 --> 00:07:40,861 - [scoffs] 162 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:44,732 You know, truth be told, 163 00:07:44,765 --> 00:07:47,067 I was waiting for you to come to me. 164 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:49,570 I just didn't expect it would take you 24 hours. 165 00:07:49,603 --> 00:07:51,639 - Olinsky's daughter died in that fire. 166 00:07:51,672 --> 00:07:53,206 I figured maybe he's entitled-- 167 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,208 - To what? Revenge? - Yeah. 168 00:07:55,242 --> 00:07:57,845 - One lie like this can destroy my entire case. 169 00:07:57,878 --> 00:08:00,681 - Your case? It's his kid. 170 00:08:00,714 --> 00:08:01,782 - Fine. 171 00:08:03,684 --> 00:08:06,253 - Albert Forest made a motion to suppress the confession. 172 00:08:06,286 --> 00:08:09,289 * 173 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:11,825 - Albert Forest is representing Dylan? 174 00:08:11,859 --> 00:08:13,927 - Today's just brimming with good news. 175 00:08:18,198 --> 00:08:19,567 - Excuse me. 176 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,906 * 177 00:08:25,939 --> 00:08:28,576 [siren wailing] 178 00:08:28,609 --> 00:08:30,243 - Fancy seeing you here. 179 00:08:30,277 --> 00:08:32,746 - I knew a guy-- 180 00:08:32,780 --> 00:08:36,183 he ate a hot dog a day, lived to be 98. 181 00:08:36,216 --> 00:08:37,785 - I doubt it was the hot dogs. 182 00:08:37,818 --> 00:08:41,589 - He swears it was. I trust him. 183 00:08:41,622 --> 00:08:43,857 You should trust me. 184 00:08:43,891 --> 00:08:46,259 - We'll see. 185 00:08:46,293 --> 00:08:48,929 - Peter, let me do this. 186 00:08:52,232 --> 00:08:54,234 I got a right to take the stand, 187 00:08:54,267 --> 00:08:57,170 tell my story, whatever it is. 188 00:08:58,806 --> 00:09:03,711 - Having a right and doing what is right 189 00:09:03,744 --> 00:09:05,846 are two completely different things. 190 00:09:07,781 --> 00:09:09,316 For what it's worth, Hank, 191 00:09:09,349 --> 00:09:12,285 I'm truly sorry for your loss. 192 00:09:24,264 --> 00:09:27,701 - It's your show, Mr. Forest. 193 00:09:27,735 --> 00:09:30,938 - [sighs] - That won't be necessary. 194 00:09:30,971 --> 00:09:32,873 The People will not oppose Mr. Forest's motion 195 00:09:32,906 --> 00:09:34,908 to suppress the defendant's confession to the police. 196 00:09:34,942 --> 00:09:36,977 [crowd murmuring] 197 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:42,783 * 198 00:09:42,816 --> 00:09:45,853 - It's nice Mr. Stone recognizes the weaknesses in his case. 199 00:09:45,886 --> 00:09:46,920 Perhaps he'd consider-- 200 00:09:46,954 --> 00:09:48,689 - The People intend to proceed to trial, Your Honor. 201 00:09:48,722 --> 00:09:49,790 - So be it. 202 00:09:49,823 --> 00:09:51,792 [gavel bangs] 203 00:09:57,831 --> 00:09:57,931 . 204 00:09:57,965 --> 00:09:58,565 - Peter, I found something odd. 205 00:10:00,801 --> 00:10:02,970 It was in with Forest's response for discovery 206 00:10:03,003 --> 00:10:05,639 and the documents his office sent over. 207 00:10:05,673 --> 00:10:07,407 - Looks like a list of Internet articles 208 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,842 about the Kimball Factory. 209 00:10:08,876 --> 00:10:10,310 It was probably sent to us by mistake. 210 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:13,046 - A big one. Look closer. The one that's circled. 211 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,717 - "Kimball Factory: A Kiddie Sex Den"? 212 00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:19,086 - The article was posted a few weeks ago 213 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:20,721 on "The Anders Report." 214 00:10:20,754 --> 00:10:22,422 I printed it out. 215 00:10:22,455 --> 00:10:24,357 The Anders Website claims 216 00:10:24,391 --> 00:10:27,027 the factory was a haven for pedophiles. 217 00:10:27,060 --> 00:10:29,730 They threw the raves to attract underage teens. 218 00:10:29,763 --> 00:10:32,265 I spoke to a shrink, 219 00:10:32,299 --> 00:10:34,835 and apparently, one of the possible consequences 220 00:10:34,868 --> 00:10:36,904 of child abuse is pyromania. 221 00:10:36,937 --> 00:10:41,742 [tense music] 222 00:10:41,775 --> 00:10:44,277 - You wanted a motive. Now we have one. 223 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:45,813 - I don't know. 224 00:10:45,846 --> 00:10:47,414 - Dylan Oates was a victim of sexual abuse. 225 00:10:47,447 --> 00:10:49,282 He read the article, it brought back memories, 226 00:10:49,316 --> 00:10:50,417 and he lost it. 227 00:10:50,450 --> 00:10:51,384 - [sighs] 228 00:10:51,418 --> 00:10:53,854 This could be considered attorney work product. 229 00:10:53,887 --> 00:10:56,356 - What do you want me to do? I can't unsee it. 230 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:57,758 This is a good thing, Mark. 231 00:10:57,791 --> 00:10:59,459 At least we know what Forest is thinking. 232 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:01,061 - You'd be handing Forest a sympathy defense 233 00:11:01,094 --> 00:11:02,195 on a silver planner with that. 234 00:11:02,229 --> 00:11:04,765 - If he was going to assert an affirmative defense, 235 00:11:04,798 --> 00:11:05,665 he would have done it already, 236 00:11:05,699 --> 00:11:07,334 and I would get to cross-examine Dylan 237 00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:09,036 about every second of that night, 238 00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:11,805 about every innocent person that died because of him. 239 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:13,874 The last thing Forest wants is for the sympathy pendulum 240 00:11:13,907 --> 00:11:15,308 to swing back to me. 241 00:11:15,342 --> 00:11:17,410 - No. No, no, no, no. 242 00:11:17,444 --> 00:11:20,147 We've got 39 grieving families out there. 243 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,082 This case is too damned important 244 00:11:22,115 --> 00:11:23,784 to risk playing lawyer games. 245 00:11:23,817 --> 00:11:26,353 Now, you've got real facts on your side. 246 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:28,121 Use them. 247 00:11:31,792 --> 00:11:34,061 - We found the remains of the incendiary device 248 00:11:34,094 --> 00:11:35,896 inside the warehouse. 249 00:11:35,929 --> 00:11:38,031 - What kind of incendiary device? 250 00:11:38,065 --> 00:11:40,333 - It was a lightbulb filled with gasoline 251 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:44,772 and a mixture of quartz and diatomaceous silica. 252 00:11:44,805 --> 00:11:47,074 It's kitty litter. 253 00:11:47,107 --> 00:11:48,809 - Sounds simple. - It is. 254 00:11:48,842 --> 00:11:50,077 You can learn everything you need to know 255 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:51,812 just by going online. 256 00:11:51,845 --> 00:11:53,080 - What else did you find in the warehouse? 257 00:11:53,113 --> 00:11:54,281 - We found metal wedges 258 00:11:54,314 --> 00:11:56,950 that had been jammed into the doorways of the warehouse. 259 00:11:56,984 --> 00:11:58,518 - What did that tell you? 260 00:11:58,551 --> 00:12:01,822 - Somebody didn't want the people inside to get out. 261 00:12:05,993 --> 00:12:08,095 - Tell me about Barry Kimball. 262 00:12:08,128 --> 00:12:10,764 - He was the owner of the factory that burned. 263 00:12:10,798 --> 00:12:14,401 - Was Mr. Kimball's factory in violation of the Fire Code? 264 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:16,136 - There weren't fire doors. 265 00:12:16,169 --> 00:12:17,771 And four years ago, he was ordered 266 00:12:17,805 --> 00:12:19,439 to retrofit the wiring, 267 00:12:19,472 --> 00:12:22,209 and he ignored the order. 268 00:12:22,242 --> 00:12:24,812 - Did you speak to him about these violations. 269 00:12:24,845 --> 00:12:26,847 - He came to the Firehouse the day after the fire. 270 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,982 I wasn't there, but my crew spoke with him. 271 00:12:29,016 --> 00:12:31,018 - Right after Mr. Kimball spoke with your crew, 272 00:12:31,051 --> 00:12:32,920 he went into the men's room, and he shot himself, 273 00:12:32,953 --> 00:12:34,922 isn't that right? 274 00:12:34,955 --> 00:12:36,156 - Yes. 275 00:12:36,189 --> 00:12:37,190 - Is that because he felt guilty? 276 00:12:37,224 --> 00:12:39,192 - Objection. - Sustained. 277 00:12:39,226 --> 00:12:41,228 Mr. Forest. 278 00:12:47,434 --> 00:12:50,971 - I-I saw a guy drop a paper bag on the floor. 279 00:12:51,004 --> 00:12:53,874 - What did he do after he dropped the paper bag? 280 00:12:53,907 --> 00:12:56,109 - He stepped on it hard, 281 00:12:56,143 --> 00:12:58,545 and--and then he kicked it under the couch. 282 00:12:58,578 --> 00:13:02,115 And then he just left. I thought it was weird. 283 00:13:02,149 --> 00:13:05,018 - What's the next thing you remember? 284 00:13:05,052 --> 00:13:07,254 - I looked to go see what it was. 285 00:13:07,287 --> 00:13:10,157 And then there was this-- this flash of light. 286 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:12,025 And then I went down. 287 00:13:12,059 --> 00:13:13,861 - Can you describe him? 288 00:13:13,894 --> 00:13:17,097 - He was 5'8", blonde, blue eyes. 289 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:19,066 - Could you describe what he was wearing? 290 00:13:19,099 --> 00:13:22,035 - He was wearing a... 291 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:26,539 a brown cargo jacket with a ForeRange logo on it. 292 00:13:30,077 --> 00:13:32,012 - Was there anything else? - Yeah, he was... 293 00:13:32,045 --> 00:13:35,282 he was wearing a ring. 294 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:36,917 - Can you describe the ring? 295 00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:38,018 - It was silver. 296 00:13:38,051 --> 00:13:41,054 It was like a skull made of silver. 297 00:13:42,322 --> 00:13:44,157 - Thank you. 298 00:13:46,526 --> 00:13:50,263 - Tamra, were you drinking that night? 299 00:13:52,299 --> 00:13:54,234 - I had-- I had two beers. 300 00:13:54,267 --> 00:13:57,137 - Did you consume any drugs? 301 00:13:57,170 --> 00:14:00,207 [somber music] 302 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,175 * 303 00:14:02,209 --> 00:14:05,545 You have to answer the question, Tamra. 304 00:14:05,578 --> 00:14:08,248 - Yes. - What kind of drugs? 305 00:14:08,281 --> 00:14:11,151 - I had a half tab of Molly. 306 00:14:11,184 --> 00:14:13,253 But I saw what I saw. 307 00:14:13,286 --> 00:14:16,123 - Was there music playing? 308 00:14:16,156 --> 00:14:18,225 - Yes. - Any kind of light show? 309 00:14:18,258 --> 00:14:20,493 - They had-- they had strobe lights. 310 00:14:20,527 --> 00:14:22,963 - And how long did you see this person, 311 00:14:22,996 --> 00:14:25,298 the one who stepped on the paper bag? 312 00:14:25,332 --> 00:14:27,234 - Maybe three seconds. 313 00:14:27,267 --> 00:14:30,103 - So, in a crowded room, after you'd been drinking 314 00:14:30,137 --> 00:14:32,672 and popping pills with music pumping 315 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:35,675 and lights pulsating, you were really able 316 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:39,679 to see and identify a ring on the finger of a stranger? 317 00:14:39,712 --> 00:14:41,648 - [voice breaking] I saw it... 318 00:14:41,681 --> 00:14:44,084 and his face. 319 00:14:44,117 --> 00:14:46,153 I'll never forget it. 320 00:14:46,186 --> 00:14:50,357 - But, unfortunately, you're not able to identify my client 321 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,259 as the man you saw that night, are you? 322 00:14:52,292 --> 00:14:54,627 - No, I can't. 323 00:14:54,661 --> 00:14:57,264 I can't see anything because of him. 324 00:14:57,297 --> 00:14:58,999 [crowd murmuring] 325 00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:01,268 * 326 00:15:01,301 --> 00:15:04,004 [sobs] 327 00:15:04,037 --> 00:15:06,673 * 328 00:15:06,706 --> 00:15:10,043 - We found metal wedges in the defendant's apartment. 329 00:15:10,077 --> 00:15:12,279 - Were they manufactured by Elliston Industries? 330 00:15:12,312 --> 00:15:16,183 - Yes. Stainless steel. 1 5/8-inch slot width. 331 00:15:16,216 --> 00:15:17,717 - Like this? 332 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:18,851 - Exactly. 333 00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:21,388 - Can you describe the wedges shoved under the door 334 00:15:21,421 --> 00:15:23,690 at the factory where the rave took place? 335 00:15:23,723 --> 00:15:27,194 - Stainless steel, 1 5/8-inch slot width, 336 00:15:27,227 --> 00:15:29,963 manufactured by Elliston Industries. 337 00:15:29,997 --> 00:15:32,265 - Like this? - Yes, sir. 338 00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:39,739 - People use these wedges to hold doors open, 339 00:15:39,772 --> 00:15:41,108 isn't that right? 340 00:15:41,141 --> 00:15:43,176 - Or closed, as the case may be. 341 00:15:43,210 --> 00:15:45,045 - Say you wanted to keep your terrace door open 342 00:15:45,078 --> 00:15:47,347 so you could enjoy the summer breeze while you ate dinner, 343 00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:49,016 you'd use one? 344 00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:53,386 - Well, I don't have a terrace, so I wouldn't know. 345 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:55,388 - One of the victims in this case 346 00:15:55,422 --> 00:15:58,058 is the daughter of one of your colleagues, 347 00:15:58,091 --> 00:16:00,060 isn't that right? - Alvin Olinsky. 348 00:16:00,093 --> 00:16:02,395 His daughter Lexi was killed by the fire. 349 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:05,698 - And getting someone, anyone, convicted 350 00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:08,235 for what happened to Detective Olinsky's daughter 351 00:16:08,268 --> 00:16:10,670 would bring him some sort of closure, wouldn't it? 352 00:16:10,703 --> 00:16:13,240 - Objection. - Withdrawn. 353 00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:18,311 I show you what is marked Defense Exhibit 12. 354 00:16:18,345 --> 00:16:21,214 You recognize that? 355 00:16:21,248 --> 00:16:23,083 - It's my arrest report. 356 00:16:23,116 --> 00:16:26,719 - Would you read the highlighted part? 357 00:16:26,753 --> 00:16:29,722 - "After advising suspect of his Miranda rights, 358 00:16:29,756 --> 00:16:31,291 "he stated of his own free will, 359 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:34,394 'It was me, okay? I started the damn fire.'" 360 00:16:36,129 --> 00:16:37,697 - It's curious, don't you think, 361 00:16:37,730 --> 00:16:41,201 that the People haven't entered that statement into evidence? 362 00:16:41,234 --> 00:16:43,270 - Objection! - I'm curious, too, Mr. Stone. 363 00:16:43,303 --> 00:16:44,704 Overruled. 364 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:47,707 - Why haven't the People entered Mr. Oates' statement 365 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:50,210 into evidence, Detective? - You'd have to ask the People. 366 00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:52,779 - Could it be that they didn't trust you? 367 00:16:52,812 --> 00:16:54,781 And if the Assistant State's Attorney doesn't trust you 368 00:16:54,814 --> 00:16:56,383 with something as simple as a confession, 369 00:16:56,416 --> 00:16:59,119 why should we trust anything you say now? 370 00:17:03,156 --> 00:17:04,424 Exactly. 371 00:17:15,202 --> 00:17:15,335 . 372 00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:16,369 - In person, Forest is a lot better than his book. 373 00:17:16,969 --> 00:17:18,805 We read it in law school. 374 00:17:18,838 --> 00:17:21,274 - The Third Edition? - Thank you. 375 00:17:21,308 --> 00:17:23,710 No, the Fifth. 376 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:28,648 Could you do it... 377 00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:31,151 defend someone like Dylan Oates? 378 00:17:31,184 --> 00:17:33,620 - I won't ever have to make that decision. 379 00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:36,656 - So you are a lifer? 380 00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:39,659 - I was thrilled when I was drafted by the Cubs, Anna... 381 00:17:39,692 --> 00:17:42,395 back when they were the loveable losers. 382 00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:45,198 An underdog always needs someone on his side. 383 00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:47,834 - Representing the State doesn't exactly make you the underdog. 384 00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:48,768 - When I'm in that courtroom, 385 00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:51,704 I'm not thinking about the State of Illinois. 386 00:17:51,738 --> 00:17:55,342 I'm thinking about the victims. 387 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:04,717 And right now I am letting 39 of them down. 388 00:18:04,751 --> 00:18:07,887 Forest is well on his way to establishing reasonable doubt. 389 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,589 I don't have a choice. 390 00:18:09,622 --> 00:18:11,758 I can't win this without offering a motive. 391 00:18:11,791 --> 00:18:13,860 - If you put Anders on the stand to testify 392 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:17,197 about the raves being used for underage sex, 393 00:18:17,230 --> 00:18:19,199 Forest will go ballistic. 394 00:18:19,232 --> 00:18:20,833 - Let him. 395 00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:27,907 Ah, Mr. Anders, thank you for coming in on a Saturday. 396 00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:29,209 This won't take long. 397 00:18:29,242 --> 00:18:30,677 I'm sure you don't need much prep. 398 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:34,347 - Uh, I don't think I'll need any... 399 00:18:34,381 --> 00:18:37,417 mainly 'cause I'm not gonna testify. 400 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:38,885 - You have a subpoena in your hand. 401 00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:42,355 - And the First Amendment and the shield law at my back. 402 00:18:42,389 --> 00:18:44,757 I'm a journalist, after all. 403 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:46,326 - I don't know what it is you do exactly, 404 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,895 but I wouldn't call it journalism. 405 00:18:48,928 --> 00:18:52,232 - Be that as it may, I'm not getting on the stand. 406 00:18:52,265 --> 00:18:54,167 - We could have you arrested for contempt. 407 00:18:54,201 --> 00:18:58,405 - Speaking of which, I was just thinking recently 408 00:18:58,438 --> 00:19:01,774 of a weekend you spent at the Huntington Hotel 409 00:19:01,808 --> 00:19:03,743 in Grand Beach. 410 00:19:03,776 --> 00:19:05,778 When was that... 411 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:07,414 four years ago? 412 00:19:07,447 --> 00:19:10,217 [dramatic music] 413 00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:12,485 - Why are you doing this? 414 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:14,387 What are you so scared of? 415 00:19:14,421 --> 00:19:16,889 - Do you have any idea what it would cost me 416 00:19:16,923 --> 00:19:19,426 to defend the lawsuits brought by the 39 families 417 00:19:19,459 --> 00:19:20,860 who lost their kids? 418 00:19:20,893 --> 00:19:22,895 - They'd have to prove your story wasn't true. 419 00:19:22,929 --> 00:19:24,697 - Then I'd be forced to name my sources. 420 00:19:24,731 --> 00:19:29,369 * 421 00:19:29,402 --> 00:19:31,671 Give my best to Joan. 422 00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:38,745 * 423 00:19:52,492 --> 00:19:55,495 - Damn it, Peter. We had a deal. 424 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:58,498 No calls, no texts, and definitely no lunches. 425 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:01,401 - Like I said, this is important. 426 00:20:04,003 --> 00:20:07,940 - [clears throat] 427 00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:09,976 How bad is it? 428 00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:11,511 - Have you heard of Todd Anders? 429 00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:14,314 - The sleazy-Website guy? - Yeah. 430 00:20:16,349 --> 00:20:17,884 He threatened to publish something about our weekend 431 00:20:17,917 --> 00:20:20,353 at Grand Beach if I put him on the stand. 432 00:20:22,855 --> 00:20:24,891 - Well, then don't put him on the stand. 433 00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:26,993 - This is on the rave trial, Joan. 434 00:20:27,026 --> 00:20:29,362 His testimony will help me establish motive. 435 00:20:29,396 --> 00:20:31,564 - I said no. 436 00:20:31,598 --> 00:20:34,000 - 39 kids died. - And I'm married. 437 00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:37,504 - You were separated at the time. 438 00:20:37,537 --> 00:20:41,774 - I doubt that Sam or the girls will split those hairs. 439 00:20:42,775 --> 00:20:45,312 * 440 00:20:45,345 --> 00:20:47,880 You're not asking my permission, are you? 441 00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:51,584 * 442 00:20:51,618 --> 00:20:53,453 - I'm sorry. 443 00:20:53,486 --> 00:20:55,555 * 444 00:20:55,588 --> 00:20:56,823 - No, you're not. 445 00:20:56,856 --> 00:20:58,358 You only care about your damn case. 446 00:20:58,391 --> 00:20:59,359 - Joan, please. 447 00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:01,027 - You're gonna ruin my life, Peter. 448 00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:04,331 Pardon me if I don't want to break bread with you. 449 00:21:04,364 --> 00:21:08,601 * 450 00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:10,603 - [sighs] 451 00:21:10,637 --> 00:21:17,810 * 452 00:21:20,647 --> 00:21:22,382 - Mr. Anders... 453 00:21:22,415 --> 00:21:24,317 I direct your attention to what is being offered 454 00:21:24,351 --> 00:21:26,353 as People's Exhibit 53. 455 00:21:28,421 --> 00:21:31,924 Do you recognize this document, Mr. Anders? 456 00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:34,394 - It is an article that was published 457 00:21:34,427 --> 00:21:36,796 on my Website. 458 00:21:36,829 --> 00:21:38,064 - Please read the headline. 459 00:21:38,097 --> 00:21:40,867 - "Kimball Factory: A Kiddie Sex Den." 460 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:43,503 - And the essence of the story is what? 461 00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:47,507 - That people threw parties at the abandoned factory 462 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:50,443 to lure underage teens to engage in sexual acts. 463 00:21:50,477 --> 00:21:52,412 - They'd get them drunk and high? 464 00:21:52,445 --> 00:21:53,413 - That's right. 465 00:21:53,446 --> 00:21:54,881 - If someone read this, 466 00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:57,116 might they do something drastic about it? 467 00:21:57,149 --> 00:22:00,553 - I'm not gonna answer that. - Nor should you have to. 468 00:22:02,522 --> 00:22:04,323 - I have nothing more, Your Honor. 469 00:22:06,626 --> 00:22:09,896 - Mr. Forest? - Uh, no questions. 470 00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:11,498 No questions, Your Honor. 471 00:22:11,531 --> 00:22:12,932 - Mr. Stone? 472 00:22:12,965 --> 00:22:15,868 * 473 00:22:15,902 --> 00:22:17,103 - The People rest. 474 00:22:17,136 --> 00:22:19,939 - Fine, gentlemen. The defense can present in the morning. 475 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:31,384 . 476 00:22:31,418 --> 00:22:31,751 - Are you okay? 477 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:36,423 - [sighs] I've been better. 478 00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:39,759 Forest didn't object to the document 479 00:22:39,792 --> 00:22:42,395 or my question to Anders. 480 00:22:42,429 --> 00:22:44,697 He didn't cross Anders about his sources. 481 00:22:44,731 --> 00:22:46,499 Why? 482 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:48,768 - Maybe Anders has something on him. 483 00:22:54,774 --> 00:22:57,544 [sighs] It's a little late for Forest's book. 484 00:22:57,577 --> 00:22:59,512 - Read the title of chapter three. 485 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,650 - "Trials: It's All A Con." 486 00:23:03,683 --> 00:23:05,718 - And I think I'm his mark. 487 00:23:11,658 --> 00:23:15,462 - I never thought Dylan could do something like this. 488 00:23:16,863 --> 00:23:17,930 [exhales deeply] 489 00:23:17,964 --> 00:23:19,832 - But you do now? 490 00:23:19,866 --> 00:23:22,802 - No. Of course not. 491 00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:25,572 He was always such a sweet boy. 492 00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:27,707 That's what I called him-- my sweet boy. 493 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,842 [voice breaking] I know it's silly. 494 00:23:29,876 --> 00:23:34,647 - Was there a time when he stopped being sweet? 495 00:23:34,681 --> 00:23:37,484 - Dylan was five. 496 00:23:37,517 --> 00:23:39,586 My brother Frank was taking him fishing. 497 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:42,555 He was so excited, you know, like little boys get. 498 00:23:44,691 --> 00:23:48,160 When he got home, he was different. 499 00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:50,597 - You're lying. - Watch it, young man. 500 00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:53,633 - I know what he did to you. 501 00:23:53,666 --> 00:23:56,936 From the time he was five until Frank died. 502 00:23:56,969 --> 00:23:58,871 - She's lying! She knows nothing about me! 503 00:23:58,905 --> 00:24:02,642 - Mr. Oates, one more outburst, and I will have you removed. 504 00:24:02,675 --> 00:24:05,512 * 505 00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,480 - Did Dylan say anything about it to you? 506 00:24:07,514 --> 00:24:08,581 - No. 507 00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:11,518 - Then how can you be so sure it happened, Mrs. Oates? 508 00:24:11,551 --> 00:24:13,820 - I'm his mother. 509 00:24:13,853 --> 00:24:16,523 - Are you aware that you just confessed 510 00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:19,592 to endangering the welfare of a child? 511 00:24:19,626 --> 00:24:21,961 - That fire... 512 00:24:21,994 --> 00:24:24,964 all those kids... 513 00:24:24,997 --> 00:24:29,001 [sniffles] If Dylan did it, it is my fault, 514 00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:31,538 not his. 515 00:24:31,571 --> 00:24:32,972 [dramatic music] 516 00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:35,542 - Let's break for lunch, shall we? 517 00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:37,544 [gavel bangs] 518 00:24:37,577 --> 00:24:44,517 * 519 00:24:44,551 --> 00:24:46,653 [indistinct chatter] 520 00:24:46,686 --> 00:24:49,656 [light jazz playing over speakers] 521 00:24:49,689 --> 00:24:52,258 * 522 00:24:52,291 --> 00:24:54,694 - [sighs] 523 00:24:54,727 --> 00:24:57,997 - I assume this isn't a coincidence. 524 00:24:58,030 --> 00:25:00,533 - It's all a con. 525 00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:02,935 - [chuckles] 526 00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:05,538 Well, at least somebody pays attention to what I write. 527 00:25:05,572 --> 00:25:06,472 [chuckles] 528 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:10,242 - "In the courtroom, reality is irrelevant. 529 00:25:10,276 --> 00:25:12,244 The appearance of reality is all that matters." 530 00:25:12,278 --> 00:25:15,214 - I do have a way with words. 531 00:25:15,247 --> 00:25:16,749 - That wasn't a mistake-- 532 00:25:16,783 --> 00:25:19,652 you sending me that list of articles. 533 00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:21,721 - Why would I do that intentionally? 534 00:25:21,754 --> 00:25:24,323 - So I would introduce your defense for you. 535 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:26,559 And you'd never have to put your client on the stand 536 00:25:26,593 --> 00:25:28,327 to be cross-examined. 537 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,763 - Wow. That--that would be very clever. 538 00:25:30,797 --> 00:25:33,232 - And dishonest. 539 00:25:33,265 --> 00:25:34,967 - Or the appearance thereof. 540 00:25:35,001 --> 00:25:37,570 * 541 00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:39,806 - Was Dylan really abused? 542 00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:41,874 - His mother certainly thinks so. 543 00:25:41,908 --> 00:25:44,644 - No. I read the transcript of her testimony. 544 00:25:44,677 --> 00:25:45,578 She never actually said it. 545 00:25:45,612 --> 00:25:47,580 So you never actually suborned perjury. 546 00:25:47,614 --> 00:25:49,315 - Jeez, I'm getting smarter by the minute. 547 00:25:49,348 --> 00:25:50,883 - Is the Anders story true? 548 00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:51,884 - I have no idea. 549 00:25:51,918 --> 00:25:53,853 For me, it was merely fortuitous. 550 00:25:53,886 --> 00:25:56,088 - This isn't a game. 39 kids are dead. 551 00:25:56,122 --> 00:25:59,726 - And my concern is the one who's still living. 552 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:01,861 [dramatic music] 553 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:05,665 You got a little of your dad in you, you know that? 554 00:26:05,698 --> 00:26:06,599 You think a criminal trial 555 00:26:06,633 --> 00:26:09,769 is all about some sort of ineffable morality, 556 00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:14,841 something out there that's permanent and infinite. 557 00:26:14,874 --> 00:26:18,645 I got news for you, son-- there ain't no such thing. 558 00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:21,681 What happens in that courtroom is a zero-sum game. 559 00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:24,383 There's winners and losers, period. 560 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:27,620 - So why concern yourself with using a fake news story 561 00:26:27,654 --> 00:26:29,756 as long as it puts a W in your column? 562 00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:32,692 - Or at least an M for "mistrial." 563 00:26:32,725 --> 00:26:34,360 * 564 00:26:34,393 --> 00:26:38,364 Odds are, out of the 12 ordinary citizens in the jury box, 565 00:26:38,397 --> 00:26:40,800 child sexual abuse will hit home for one of them. 566 00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:45,037 And that, my friend, spells hung jury. 567 00:26:45,071 --> 00:26:46,372 - I'll retry him. 568 00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:48,841 - And I'll find another reality... 569 00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:51,911 maybe even one that's more acceptable to my client. 570 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:59,051 * 571 00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:05,658 [door opens] 572 00:27:09,361 --> 00:27:12,899 [door closes] 573 00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:15,367 - The People have no questions for Mrs. Oates. 574 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:22,775 - You may go. Thank you. 575 00:27:22,809 --> 00:27:25,912 - In that case, the defense rests, Your Honor. 576 00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:29,348 - I think counsel is jumping the gun. 577 00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:32,351 The People certainly have the right to examine Mr. Oates. 578 00:27:32,384 --> 00:27:34,386 - [chuckles] 579 00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:35,988 This is still America. 580 00:27:36,022 --> 00:27:38,758 We still have a constitution and a Fifth Amendment-- 581 00:27:38,791 --> 00:27:41,027 - Your Honor, let me remind you how the defendant reacted 582 00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:44,130 when his mother was on the stand. 583 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,098 - Your Honor, may we approach? 584 00:27:46,132 --> 00:27:48,434 - Yes. Come. 585 00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:54,741 - Your Honor, my client was upset. 586 00:27:54,774 --> 00:27:57,844 - He spoke. The jury heard him. That's testimony. 587 00:27:57,877 --> 00:28:00,012 He waived his rights against self-incrimination. 588 00:28:00,046 --> 00:28:02,882 - Oh, please. Your Honor-- - Clever, Mr. Stone... 589 00:28:02,915 --> 00:28:05,051 very clever. 590 00:28:05,084 --> 00:28:08,454 I'll probably be reversed on appeal, 591 00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:10,389 but I'm gonna let you cross-examine him, 592 00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:14,026 but only as to the matters that he testified to on direct. 593 00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:17,730 I assume you're gonna need time 594 00:28:17,764 --> 00:28:19,165 to prepare your client, Mr. Forest. 595 00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:21,000 I'll give you 24 hours. 596 00:28:25,271 --> 00:28:28,941 - All you can cross Dylan on is whether his mom was lying 597 00:28:28,975 --> 00:28:30,810 or whether she actually knew anything about his life. 598 00:28:30,843 --> 00:28:33,112 - So we need to find out something she didn't know. 599 00:28:33,145 --> 00:28:34,947 Somebody at the rave must have known him. 600 00:28:34,981 --> 00:28:36,949 - CPD spoke to everybody who came forward. 601 00:28:36,983 --> 00:28:37,984 [both sigh] 602 00:28:38,017 --> 00:28:40,853 - Have Dawson and Nagel find someone who didn't. 603 00:28:40,887 --> 00:28:43,923 [train rattling loudly] 604 00:28:56,302 --> 00:28:57,970 - Hey. 605 00:28:58,004 --> 00:29:00,439 - Hey. 606 00:29:00,472 --> 00:29:04,210 Did you tell Stone about the confession? 607 00:29:04,243 --> 00:29:06,445 - I didn't have to. 608 00:29:06,478 --> 00:29:08,180 - You know, I should have whacked that little bastard 609 00:29:08,214 --> 00:29:10,950 when I had the chance. 610 00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:15,922 - Hey, Dawson. 611 00:29:15,955 --> 00:29:18,057 Look what I found on this teddy. 612 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:20,827 "Dear Arnie, I'm so sorry. It's all my fault. 613 00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:22,461 Love always, Chloe." 614 00:29:22,494 --> 00:29:24,797 There's no Chloe on the survivors list. 615 00:29:24,831 --> 00:29:26,165 - Who's Arnie? 616 00:29:26,198 --> 00:29:28,100 - There was an Arnold Phillips. 617 00:29:28,134 --> 00:29:30,870 He died in the fire. 618 00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:32,872 - Okay. 619 00:29:36,242 --> 00:29:40,079 [music playing faintly over headphones] 620 00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:42,214 - Hey, Chloe. 621 00:29:42,248 --> 00:29:44,550 - Who are you? - I'm Laura. 622 00:29:44,583 --> 00:29:46,085 I'm investigating the fire. 623 00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:48,054 Um, your mom said I could come up. 624 00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:49,321 She's talking to my partner. 625 00:29:49,355 --> 00:29:51,090 [music stops] 626 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:52,324 It's important, Chloe. 627 00:29:52,358 --> 00:29:54,827 This could help us convict the guy responsible. 628 00:29:54,861 --> 00:29:57,329 - I wasn't there. I don't know anything. 629 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:06,538 - I have a daughter. She's eight. 630 00:30:06,572 --> 00:30:08,841 And I know in a few years, she's gonna start 631 00:30:08,875 --> 00:30:10,843 keeping secrets from me. 632 00:30:10,877 --> 00:30:12,845 - Can you leave me alone? 633 00:30:24,223 --> 00:30:26,258 [cries] 634 00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:29,561 - I know you were there. 635 00:30:29,595 --> 00:30:33,632 And I know how difficult it must be to lose a brother. 636 00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:36,202 - [sniffles] 637 00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:39,538 [dramatic music] 638 00:30:39,571 --> 00:30:42,274 Arnie didn't want to go. 639 00:30:42,308 --> 00:30:44,944 I was a jerk. I kept begging him. 640 00:30:44,977 --> 00:30:48,915 And then when I saw the guy they arrested on the news... 641 00:30:50,049 --> 00:30:53,219 I didn't know what to do. 642 00:30:53,252 --> 00:30:55,221 - You recognized him? 643 00:30:55,254 --> 00:30:57,589 * 644 00:30:57,623 --> 00:30:59,558 - Yeah. 645 00:30:59,591 --> 00:31:02,194 When I went outside to have a cigarette, 646 00:31:02,228 --> 00:31:04,230 he was out there... 647 00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:06,899 pacing back and forth. 648 00:31:06,933 --> 00:31:10,269 And then when I went in, he was arguing with some girl. 649 00:31:12,138 --> 00:31:14,907 - I want--I want you to tell me if you recognize her. 650 00:31:14,941 --> 00:31:20,312 * 651 00:31:20,346 --> 00:31:22,048 - No. 652 00:31:23,950 --> 00:31:27,153 Yeah. That's her. 653 00:31:27,186 --> 00:31:28,654 Yeah. 654 00:31:30,189 --> 00:31:32,424 - Thank you. 655 00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:34,693 - I don't know a Dylan Oates. 656 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:36,996 - He seems to know you. 657 00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:39,932 Our tech people found that Dylan had a Facebook account 658 00:31:39,966 --> 00:31:42,068 under the fake name Kurt Holden. 659 00:31:42,101 --> 00:31:44,603 - I have over a thousand "friends." 660 00:31:44,636 --> 00:31:45,571 I don't know all of them. 661 00:31:45,604 --> 00:31:50,176 - Dylan only friended one person, Tamra--you. 662 00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:53,445 - We know you saw him do more than just step on the paper bag. 663 00:31:53,479 --> 00:31:58,117 [teacup rattling on plate] 664 00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:59,952 - Oh, God. 665 00:31:59,986 --> 00:32:03,990 [sighing] 666 00:32:09,128 --> 00:32:12,999 He came up to me at the rave. 667 00:32:13,032 --> 00:32:14,166 He said that he knew me, 668 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,236 that we'd met on the L, like, three months ago, but... 669 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:20,706 I had no idea. 670 00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:25,077 He said that he asked me to have a cup of coffee back then. 671 00:32:25,111 --> 00:32:27,013 - Did you go out with him? - No. 672 00:32:27,046 --> 00:32:29,015 I-I had to study. 673 00:32:29,048 --> 00:32:31,417 That's what he said I told him. 674 00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:34,153 But I swear, I don't remember this at all. 675 00:32:34,186 --> 00:32:38,057 - What else did he tell you, Tamra? 676 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:41,994 - He said that I went to a party instead of going out with him. 677 00:32:42,028 --> 00:32:44,663 But how could he possibly know that? 678 00:32:44,696 --> 00:32:47,133 - You posted it on Facebook. 679 00:32:47,166 --> 00:32:54,173 * 680 00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:58,210 - [voice breaking] Oh, God... 681 00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:07,719 [sobbing] All those people are dead because of me, aren't they? 682 00:33:07,753 --> 00:33:14,726 * 683 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,029 - [sobs] 684 00:33:17,063 --> 00:33:19,231 - I'm sorry, Tamra, but you'll have to testify-- 685 00:33:19,265 --> 00:33:21,400 - Only if we need you. 686 00:33:21,433 --> 00:33:26,038 * 687 00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:34,913 . 688 00:33:34,946 --> 00:33:35,714 - Why did you call your mother a liar? 689 00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:41,720 - That story about my uncle-- 690 00:33:41,753 --> 00:33:43,255 it's a total lie. 691 00:33:43,289 --> 00:33:45,591 He never did anything weird to me. 692 00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:47,726 - So why would your mom say it under oath? 693 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:50,129 - 'Cause she's stupid. 694 00:33:52,231 --> 00:33:54,066 - Did you think boys were being molested 695 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,467 at the Kimball Warehouse? - Objection. 696 00:33:55,501 --> 00:33:56,735 Beyond the scope. - Sustained. 697 00:33:56,768 --> 00:33:59,505 - Did you ever read an article about it in "The Anders Report"? 698 00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:01,173 - Same objection. - Sustained. 699 00:34:01,207 --> 00:34:03,209 Mr. Stone, you're limited to questions 700 00:34:03,242 --> 00:34:06,145 relating to the defendant's prior outburst. 701 00:34:10,249 --> 00:34:13,185 - Tell me, Dylan-- why did you say that 702 00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:15,621 your mom doesn't know anything about your life? 703 00:34:15,654 --> 00:34:17,223 - Because she doesn't. 704 00:34:17,256 --> 00:34:19,125 - Did she know you were on Facebook? 705 00:34:19,158 --> 00:34:22,594 - [laughs] I'm not. I mean, it's lame. 706 00:34:22,628 --> 00:34:24,196 - So why did you start an account 707 00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:26,632 under the fake name "Kurt Holden"? 708 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:31,503 - I have no idea what you're talking about. 709 00:34:31,537 --> 00:34:32,738 - Did your mom know you were obsessed 710 00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:34,673 with a girl on social media? 711 00:34:36,575 --> 00:34:38,777 - Even if I were, I wouldn't tell her. 712 00:34:41,547 --> 00:34:44,283 - Do you know who this girl is? 713 00:34:44,316 --> 00:34:45,684 - No. 714 00:34:46,718 --> 00:34:49,121 - How about this one? 715 00:34:49,155 --> 00:34:51,190 - No. 716 00:34:55,227 --> 00:34:57,163 - Who is that, Dylan? 717 00:35:02,268 --> 00:35:05,804 - She's the blind one who said she knows me. 718 00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:09,341 - Her name is Tamra Collins. 719 00:35:09,375 --> 00:35:13,579 And her face was all over the newsfeed on your phony account. 720 00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:18,284 These were photos that you liked. 721 00:35:20,752 --> 00:35:23,722 [dramatic music] 722 00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:30,796 * 723 00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:36,368 Hmm. 724 00:35:36,402 --> 00:35:38,337 Looks like she's having a great time. 725 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:45,344 * 726 00:35:45,377 --> 00:35:48,314 - Whatever. 727 00:35:48,347 --> 00:35:49,848 - Did this make you a little jealous? 728 00:35:49,881 --> 00:35:52,918 - Objection. - Withdrawn. 729 00:35:52,951 --> 00:35:56,588 Did your mom know that you asked Tamra out three months ago? 730 00:35:56,622 --> 00:35:58,424 - No. Because I didn't. 731 00:35:58,457 --> 00:36:00,659 - Did she know that Tamra made up some lame excuse 732 00:36:00,692 --> 00:36:02,594 to dump you while she went to a rave? 733 00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:04,963 - No. Because that never happened. 734 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:08,734 - Did you ever tell your mom how humiliated you felt? 735 00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:10,336 * 736 00:36:10,369 --> 00:36:12,338 - Why would I care if some bimbo preferred 737 00:36:12,371 --> 00:36:14,206 to be with garbage instead of me? 738 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,275 - So you'd just as soon sit at home alone 739 00:36:16,308 --> 00:36:19,645 on your computer? 740 00:36:19,678 --> 00:36:21,447 - As a matter of fact, I would. 741 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,349 - To hell with Tamra and her friends, right? 742 00:36:23,382 --> 00:36:27,753 - That's right. They're all irrelevant to me. 743 00:36:27,786 --> 00:36:30,756 - So it's no big deal that they're all dead? 744 00:36:30,789 --> 00:36:33,359 - Objection. - Withdrawn. 745 00:36:33,392 --> 00:36:37,663 * 746 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:40,899 I have nothing further, Your Honor. 747 00:36:40,932 --> 00:36:47,939 * 748 00:36:58,917 --> 00:37:00,819 - Why did he do it? 749 00:37:01,987 --> 00:37:03,889 I don't know either. 750 00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:06,792 Mr. Stone told you a hell of story 751 00:37:06,825 --> 00:37:09,961 about lightbulbs and kitty litter, 752 00:37:09,995 --> 00:37:12,764 door wedges, brown cargo jackets, 753 00:37:12,798 --> 00:37:15,967 but unless I missed it, he never quite told you 754 00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:18,704 why Dylan Oates started a fire 755 00:37:18,737 --> 00:37:23,275 at a party filled with people he didn't know. 756 00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:25,711 But the truth... 757 00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:28,447 is that lots of people have lightbulbs 758 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,518 and kitty litter, door wedges, brown cargo jackets. 759 00:37:32,551 --> 00:37:36,322 But only one had the motive... 760 00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:40,292 to cause such unutterable devastation. 761 00:37:40,326 --> 00:37:41,893 Now, was it Dylan Oates? 762 00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:45,497 Or did Mr. Stone merely pull a patsy out of a hat? 763 00:37:45,531 --> 00:37:48,934 A patsy who happened to have a brown cargo jacket? 764 00:37:48,967 --> 00:37:53,372 A patsy whose childhood was tormented 765 00:37:53,405 --> 00:37:57,509 by such unspeakable indignities... 766 00:37:57,543 --> 00:37:59,711 he would risk going to prison 767 00:37:59,745 --> 00:38:03,449 rather than admit what really happened? 768 00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:04,916 No. 769 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:08,420 If it was Dylan Oates who started the fire, 770 00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:09,988 surely Mr. Stone would have answered 771 00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:12,558 that one simple, crucial question... 772 00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:16,362 Why? 773 00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:33,879 - 39 children dead. 774 00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:36,948 Mr. Forest is correct. 775 00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:40,452 I didn't tell you why Dylan Oates set that fire 776 00:38:40,486 --> 00:38:43,589 and killed these 39 innocents. 777 00:38:44,923 --> 00:38:46,825 I didn't have to... 778 00:38:46,858 --> 00:38:50,128 because Dylan told you himself. 779 00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:51,597 He said it here. 780 00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:53,599 and here... 781 00:38:57,035 --> 00:38:59,571 And here. 782 00:39:05,577 --> 00:39:08,380 He said it the way people say most things today-- 783 00:39:08,414 --> 00:39:13,118 digitally, by text or Twitter or Tumblr or Facebook. 784 00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:16,021 He told you he was obsessed with Tamra Collins, 785 00:39:16,054 --> 00:39:17,523 a woman he met only briefly 786 00:39:17,556 --> 00:39:20,058 but still wanted nothing to do with him. 787 00:39:20,091 --> 00:39:21,827 He stalked her, 788 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:23,829 not by following her home or to work, 789 00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:25,096 but on social media. 790 00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:28,066 Why? Because that's the world... 791 00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:30,802 Dylan Oates inhabits. 792 00:39:30,836 --> 00:39:33,539 The rectangular-bordered landscape of his desktop, 793 00:39:33,572 --> 00:39:36,107 laptop, iPad, smartphone. [hand tapping] 794 00:39:36,141 --> 00:39:38,410 A world where someone, with a couple of keystrokes, 795 00:39:38,444 --> 00:39:42,548 can express anger, love, hate 796 00:39:42,581 --> 00:39:47,152 to anyone anywhere without risk of reprisal. 797 00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:50,656 It's a world where deceit flourishes 798 00:39:50,689 --> 00:39:54,025 and voyeurism thrives... [tapping continues] 799 00:39:54,059 --> 00:39:57,996 Where real human contact and discourse 800 00:39:58,029 --> 00:40:01,933 is replaced by bits and bytes and logarithms. 801 00:40:01,967 --> 00:40:03,935 Where Tamra Collins is always smiling... 802 00:40:03,969 --> 00:40:05,604 [hand pounding] - Dylan. 803 00:40:05,637 --> 00:40:09,140 - Always at a party, and always having a great time. 804 00:40:09,174 --> 00:40:10,609 [pounding on table] 805 00:40:10,642 --> 00:40:12,043 - Dylan. - Mr. Oates, that's enough! 806 00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:13,845 - Dylan. 807 00:40:13,879 --> 00:40:15,981 You got to control yourself. 808 00:40:16,014 --> 00:40:23,021 * 809 00:40:24,022 --> 00:40:27,459 - See, in Dylan's head, Tamra had... 810 00:40:27,493 --> 00:40:29,595 a perfect life. 811 00:40:29,628 --> 00:40:31,997 * 812 00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:33,465 And Dylan wasn't invited. 813 00:40:33,499 --> 00:40:37,469 * 814 00:40:37,503 --> 00:40:41,873 How dare she exclude you from her perfect world? 815 00:40:41,907 --> 00:40:44,209 How dare she embarrass you by announcing to the world 816 00:40:44,242 --> 00:40:47,613 on Facebook that you weren't part of it? 817 00:40:47,646 --> 00:40:49,648 * 818 00:40:49,681 --> 00:40:51,983 See, Dylan couldn't let her get away with that, 819 00:40:52,017 --> 00:40:56,121 so he set fire to the world that didn't want him. 820 00:40:57,656 --> 00:40:59,925 And then he watched it burn. 821 00:41:01,727 --> 00:41:06,264 Now, I wonder, are those tears for the 39 dead? 822 00:41:06,297 --> 00:41:09,701 Or are they for your own sad and lonely life? 823 00:41:11,069 --> 00:41:12,638 - [shouts] - Officers! 824 00:41:12,671 --> 00:41:14,640 - Dylan! - Restrain him. 825 00:41:14,673 --> 00:41:16,107 [gavel bangs] 826 00:41:16,141 --> 00:41:17,576 Order in this court. 827 00:41:17,609 --> 00:41:19,110 Mr. Oates. [gavel bangs] 828 00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:21,179 Mr. Oates, that's enough. 829 00:41:21,212 --> 00:41:23,715 Officers, remove him from this courtroom. 830 00:41:23,749 --> 00:41:30,956 * 831 00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,595 - "In the matter of the People versus Dylan Oates, 832 00:41:36,628 --> 00:41:39,097 "on the first count, aggravated arson, 833 00:41:39,130 --> 00:41:42,534 "the jury finds the defendant guilty. 834 00:41:42,568 --> 00:41:44,202 "On the second count, 835 00:41:44,235 --> 00:41:48,173 "first-degree murder of Isabel Acuna, guilty. 836 00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:49,741 "On the third count, 837 00:41:49,775 --> 00:41:53,945 "first-degree murder of Dana Altamore, guilty. 838 00:41:53,979 --> 00:41:55,647 "On the fourth count, 839 00:41:55,681 --> 00:41:59,685 "first-degree murder of Lexi Olinksy, guilty. 840 00:41:59,718 --> 00:42:01,587 "On the fifth count, 841 00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:06,592 "first-degree murder of Alexis Atkinson, guilty. 842 00:42:06,625 --> 00:42:08,093 "On the sixth count, 843 00:42:08,126 --> 00:42:12,263 first-degree murder of Sam Aliro, guilty"... 844 00:42:46,765 --> 00:42:49,768 [wolf howls] 60324

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