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♪ Come with me and you'll be
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in a worldof pure imagination ♪♪
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He was a combinationof innocence and danger.
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-Champagne?
-You didn't know
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what Gene Wilder was gonna do.
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He was an actorwho had an ability…
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…to be funny.
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Hello!
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He's naive,he's innocent.
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Oops.
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He's sweet,
simple, and honest.
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But when he got excited,
he was a volcano.
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Life!
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He had
a unique ability to find humor.
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I never thought
it could be like this.
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In anything.
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I'm wet!
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You'll never find
another Gene Wilder.
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I didn'tthink Jerry Silberman
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had the right ring to it.
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I wanted to be… Wilder.
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Suppose you're walkingout of the Plaza Hotel
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in New York Cityon a warm spring day.
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You want to go directly acrossthe street to Fifth Avenue,
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but the Plaza fountainis directly in your path.
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You can get to Fifth Avenue
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by walking around the fountain
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on the path to your left,
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or by takingthe path to your right.
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I believe thatwhichever choice you make
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could change your life.
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I'm sure everyone has had
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these mysteriousbrushes with irony,
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perhaps referring to themyears later as "almost fate."
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January, 1963.
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Jerome Robbinswas going to direct
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Bertolt Brecht's play
Mother Courage on Broadway
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with Anne Bancroft as the star.
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Fate must be working its magic,
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because if he hadn'tmiscast me in Mother Courage,
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I wouldn't have metAnne Bancroft.
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If I hadn't met Anne Bancroft,
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I wouldn't have met Mel Brooks.
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If I hadn't met Mel Brooks,
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I would probably be a patient
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in someneuropsychiatric hospital
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looking through the barsof a physical therapy window
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as I made wallets.
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We opened previewsat the Martin Beck Theatre
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to a packed house.
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Anne Bancroft's boyfriendcame to pick her up
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each night after the show.
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The boyfriend's namewas Mel Brooks.
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We were
heavily engaged
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and heavily in love.
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She kept telling me
about this weird, strange,
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very talented guy in the cast…
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…who had innocence,
blessed with innocence,
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and she knew that I was
writing a rough draft of--
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then it was called
Springtime for Hitler.
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Later I changed it
to The Producers.
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And she knew that I had
this character, Leo Bloom,
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and she said, "I think
he's Leo Bloom on the hoof,
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he's right there, he's…
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He's naive, he's innocent."
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So I saw the show,
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and I kept watching it
every night,
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and I agreed
with her and I said,
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"That's my Leo Bloom."
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I want to meet him.
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I met him backstage
at the Martin Beck Theatre.
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When I metMel for the first time,
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he was wearinga black pea jacket,
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it was the kind made famousby the Merchant Marines.
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So he said, "That's a pea coat."
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And I--you know, and…
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the Borscht Belt comic
in me said,
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"No, no, that's too vulgar.
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I call it a urine coat."
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And he really grabbed his belly
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and really laughed.
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I immediately
fell in love with him.
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You get a terrific
real laugh out of somebody.
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And Gene was a great laugher.
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Despite Anne'sAcademy Award that year
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for The Miracle Worker,
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Mother Courage closedafter three months.
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Mel asked if I would liketo spend a weekend
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with him and Anneon Fire Island.
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And Iinvited him out
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to our houseon the beach for a weekend.
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After dinner, Melasked Anne and me to sit down,
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and then he began readingthe first three scenes
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of Springtime for Hitler
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almost verbatim as theyeventually appeared on screen.
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Gee, you couldmake more money…
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…with a flop
than he could with a hit.
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You keep saying that,
but you don't tell me how?
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How can a producer make
more money with a flop
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than he could with a hit?
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I read 37 pages,
that's all I had,
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introducing Leo Bloom fully.
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But you still look angry.
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How's this?
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Good.
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That's good.
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That's very nice.
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I thought I saw
a little tear run down his--
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"And you want me to play that?"
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I said, "Yes, I want you to play
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that simple,
beautiful, innocent,
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good-natured accountant."
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I loved it.
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I said yes.
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I wondered,"How can a few words
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change your life?"
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You originally
were Jerry Silberman.
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Yes, and I think there's--
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somewhere inside
he's still there lurking around.
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I used to be Jerry Silberman
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from Milwaukee.
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When I was eight years old,
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my mother hadher first heart attack.
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After my father brought herhome from the hospital,
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her heart specialist cameto see how she was doing.
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He grabbed my right armand whispered in my ear,
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"Don't ever arguewith your mother.
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You might kill her.
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Try to make her laugh."
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If he hadn't said
those two sentences,
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I might have gone
into used car salesman
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or something like that.
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Or a concert violinist
or perhaps a painter.
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Well,
Aunt Jeanne was always ill,
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and Jerry just adored her.
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He did try to be funny,
he tried to amuse her,
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he tried to do things
to make her laugh.
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I had thoughtoften about being a comedian.
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Mostly because I had seenDanny Kaye in Up in Arms.
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Danny Kaye was,
I think, very special to him.
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And thenJerry Lewis on television.
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Let's keep itquiet, buddy.
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And then for methe king of them all,
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was Sid Caesaron Your Show of Shows.
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I did Jewish accentsand German accents.
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And I did make my mother laugh.
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Every once in a while,
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if I wasa little too successful,
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she'd run intothe bathroom squealing,
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"Oh, Jerry, now lookwhat you've made me do!"
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She had
a wonderful sense of humor.
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I think Gene probably got
some of it from her.
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And thenwhen I started acting…
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…she always thoughtthat I was good,
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and that gave methe confidence to go on.
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Sorry, sir.
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I think he loved
the stage best of all.
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He just belonged there.
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I was askedto take over Alan Arkin's role
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in Luv on Broadway.
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It had now been three years
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since I'd heardfrom Mel Brooks.
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I'd given up hopesof being Leo Bloom
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in Springtime for Hitler.
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I was taking offmy makeup one day
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when someone knockedon my dressing room door.
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I opened the door…
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…and there was Mel.
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Mel said, "You don't thinkI forgot, do you?"
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Then he introduced meto the tall gentleman with him,
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Sidney Glazier,
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who was going to produce
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I met
Sidney Glazier,
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I gave him my script.
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He said,
"I don't wanna read it.
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Read it to me."
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And I began reading,
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and he was eating
a big tuna fish sandwich
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and a huge cup of coffee.
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And he'd sip the coffee,
and he'd eat,
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and he'd listen.
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And every once
in a while he'd smile.
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Once in a while
he'd laugh a little bit.
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And when I got
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My blanket,
my blue blanket,
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give me my blue blanket!
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He spit the coffee
all over the office
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and he said,
"We gotta make this movie."
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Mel startedtalking as if we were
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just continuinga conversation from yesterday.
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"Now, listen,you know I love you,
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but Zero Mostelis gonna play Bialystock,
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and I can't justspring you on him
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because he's got approvalof anyone who plays Leo.
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So you gotta doa reading with him
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just so he can seefor himself how good you are.
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The morning of the reading,I was very nervous.
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If I don't get this part,
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I'll just be a good featured,
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maybe supporting actorfor the rest of my life.
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Mel opened the doorand gave me a hug.
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I could see Zero Mostelin the background.
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And then Mel pulled meinto the office.
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This huge roundfantasy of a man
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came waltzing towards me.
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My heart was pounding so loud
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I thought he'd hear it.
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Zero grabbed Gene,
bent him over,
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and kissed him
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And then turned to me
and said, "This is my Bloom."
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All nervousness floated away.
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I think Zero did itfor that reason.
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I gave a good reading
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and was castin Springtime for Hitler.
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Take one!
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Filming on
Springtime for Hitler
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was to begin in May,
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but in the meantime,
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I was offered a small part
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in a movie called
Bonnie and Clyde
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starring Warren Beattyand directed by Arthur Penn.
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The company wasalready filming in Texas.
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I arrived in Dallasand I went to the set.
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Arthur Penn introduced meto the pretty young woman
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who would be playingmy fiancée.
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Her name was Evans Evans.
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We said hello and shook hands.
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The camera started rolling.
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The first scene startedwith Evans and me
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kissing on her porch.
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A little strangeto start kissing someone
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you just mettwo minutes earlier,
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but it was fun.
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Say, isn't that
your car, Eugene?
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That's my car.
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Arthur said, "Cut. Very good."
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And that was my introductionto movie acting.
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Later, I'm ridingin the back of a car
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with the Barrow gang.
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Maybe y'all oughta
join up with us?
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Oh, boy.
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It sure would be a surprise
to hear that back home.
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Hey, what do you do anyhow?
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I'm an undertaker.
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Get them out of here.
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When filming was over,
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Arthur Penn told me thathe had never envisioned
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the part being playedthe way I did it.
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He never imagined itbeing funny.
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Zero Mostel had a carand driver assigned to him
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when filming for
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He would pick me upeach morning
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in that we could travelto work together.
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It wasa marriage made in heaven.
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They were just madefor each other.
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I'm an honest man,
you don't understand.
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No, Bloom, you don't understand!
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This is fate, this is destiny,
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this is kismet!
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There's no avoiding it!
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It was the firstmovie I ever directed.
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- A toast.
- It was like
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getting into a big canoeand gliding down the river.
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That's how easythey made it for me.
265
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I'm happy!
266
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And they did--
sometimes they ad-libbed stuff
267
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that was a lot better
than stuff I had written.
268
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But I was in heaven.
269
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Joe Levine,
270
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the man who put uphalf the budget
271
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and was goingto distribute the film
272
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went toa screening room with Mel
273
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and saw the first11 minutes of the dailies.
274
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Joe Levinesaw the dailies
275
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on the third daywith Bialystock and Bloom,
276
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the one in the hallwaywhere he's frightened
277
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and where he's just superb.
278
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Speak to me, speak!
279
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-Why don't you speak?
-I'm scared, can't talk.
280
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He said,
"He's cute, he has curly hair,
281
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but I need a leading man.
282
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He's--he's a--a bit of a wimp.
283
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I'll give you another $10,000.
284
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Get somebody who looks
like a leading man."
285
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I said, "I don't want
a leading man!
286
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I want the opposite
of a leading man.
287
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I want somebody
who's afraid of the world,
288
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who retreats instead
of attacks like Bialystock."
289
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He said, "Get another guy
to play Leo Bloom."
290
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I said, and this is
the first time I said it,
291
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and at every single movie
292
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I said to the head
of the studio,
293
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"Yeah, you're right,
you got it."
294
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And never, ever did
what they wanted me to do.
295
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I started with Joe Levine.
296
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Gene Wilder is out!
297
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You'll see.
298
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Next week
I'll have somebody else.
299
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He left
the screening room happy.
300
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We wereabout to rehearse
301
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my big hysterical scene.
302
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I was anxious to see how Zeroand I would play it together.
303
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Mel never said "action"like every other director.
304
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Mel said, "Go."
305
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Oh…
306
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And I gave it my all.
307
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You miserable, cowardly,
wretched little caterpillar.
308
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You would normally be
a little afraid of Bialystock,
309
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who was a force,
who's a living force.
310
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He was just a ton of flesh,
a crescendo of humanity.
311
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…glory!
312
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You're gonna jump on me.
313
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Huh?
314
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You're gonna jump on me,
315
00:14:53,125 --> 00:14:55,416
I know you're gonna jump on me!
316
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This giant hulk of a man
317
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is now makingall these strange gestures
318
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and might possiblypounce on me.
319
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Please don't jump on me!
320
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I'm not gonna jump!
321
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Will you get a hold of yourself?
322
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Don't touch me,
don't touch me!
323
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He could scare you.
324
00:15:13,583 --> 00:15:17,000
And, uh, he scared Gene,
and Gene was timid.
325
00:15:17,083 --> 00:15:19,041
I thinkwhat connects Leo Bloom
326
00:15:19,125 --> 00:15:21,916
to me and to the audienceis fear.
327
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,458
I'm hysterical!
328
00:15:23,541 --> 00:15:24,750
Just the fear
329
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that he goes
through life carrying.
330
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What comes across
331
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is this intense humanity, right,
332
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this authenticity
333
00:15:33,875 --> 00:15:36,416
that Gene brings out
of Leo Bloom.
334
00:15:38,625 --> 00:15:40,208
When the scene was over,
335
00:15:40,291 --> 00:15:42,250
the whole crewlaughed and applauded.
336
00:15:42,333 --> 00:15:44,875
I was worn outand a little hoarse,
337
00:15:44,958 --> 00:15:48,333
but the scene went very well.
338
00:15:48,416 --> 00:15:51,833
Joe Levine,
who said I had to take out Gene,
339
00:15:51,916 --> 00:15:55,125
we kept him away from
the dailies so he never knew
340
00:15:55,208 --> 00:15:57,541
that Gene would come in
every day and work it.
341
00:15:57,625 --> 00:15:59,666
Finally, I said,
"He's done half the picture.
342
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It would cost us too much money
to replace him."
343
00:16:01,625 --> 00:16:02,791
"Yeah, yeah, all right."
344
00:16:05,208 --> 00:16:07,291
We were atthe Lincoln Center fountain
345
00:16:07,375 --> 00:16:08,583
on the last day of filming,
346
00:16:08,666 --> 00:16:11,083
waiting for the sun to go down.
347
00:16:11,166 --> 00:16:13,833
I said to the guy
running the fountain at--
348
00:16:13,916 --> 00:16:16,416
at Lincoln Center, I said,
349
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:18,250
I said, "It goes up
to 12 or 15 feet.
350
00:16:18,333 --> 00:16:19,416
Can you get it up to 20?"
351
00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:21,750
He says,
"I can get it up to 50."
352
00:16:21,833 --> 00:16:24,500
I said, "Go for broke."
353
00:16:24,583 --> 00:16:26,833
When the sunfinally went down,
354
00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:28,875
the cameras started rolling.
355
00:16:28,958 --> 00:16:30,083
I'll do it!
356
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And the fountain was turned on,
357
00:16:33,625 --> 00:16:35,750
in the film and in my life.
358
00:16:37,958 --> 00:16:42,250
And we finished the movie
right on that--on that night.
359
00:16:43,375 --> 00:16:45,958
That was a miraculous moment.
360
00:16:47,666 --> 00:16:49,541
I was sadthat the film was ending,
361
00:16:49,625 --> 00:16:51,541
of course, but also very happy.
362
00:16:51,625 --> 00:16:54,041
And I knew that I'd beenpart of a unique film,
363
00:16:54,125 --> 00:16:56,333
working withthe two most unusual people
364
00:16:56,416 --> 00:16:57,708
I had ever met.
365
00:16:57,791 --> 00:16:59,166
The outrageousness,
366
00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:01,666
the complete audacityof Zero and Mel
367
00:17:01,750 --> 00:17:03,041
remains with me.
368
00:17:09,041 --> 00:17:11,458
The movie that
really launched you, as it were,
369
00:17:11,541 --> 00:17:13,958
that was a character
that held in the anger, too,
370
00:17:14,041 --> 00:17:16,333
and that suddenly
would burst out into manic--
371
00:17:16,416 --> 00:17:18,166
-Explosion.
-Was that you?
372
00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:19,333
Yes, that was me.
373
00:17:19,416 --> 00:17:20,625
It was a part of me.
374
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,833
When my mother was suffering,
375
00:17:23,916 --> 00:17:26,583
the doctor set off
something terrible in me,
376
00:17:26,666 --> 00:17:29,833
because "don't ever argue
with your mother"
377
00:17:29,916 --> 00:17:32,916
inhibited me
from getting angry with anyone
378
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,791
and holding it all in,
and that's poison.
379
00:17:37,625 --> 00:17:39,375
No child should ever be told,
380
00:17:39,458 --> 00:17:42,375
"Don't argue with your mother,
you might kill her."
381
00:17:42,458 --> 00:17:45,958
That is an unbelievably
heavy burden to carry.
382
00:17:47,458 --> 00:17:48,458
I felt a rage
383
00:17:48,541 --> 00:17:51,500
that I didn'tor couldn't express,
384
00:17:51,583 --> 00:17:53,250
except through acting.
385
00:17:54,958 --> 00:17:58,583
He started acting
in high school plays.
386
00:17:58,666 --> 00:18:02,125
And then Gene was with
the Milwaukee Players.
387
00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:06,958
He was always the lead.
388
00:18:07,041 --> 00:18:08,916
We'd go to rehearsals together.
389
00:18:10,375 --> 00:18:14,083
And he just came and got me so--
take me with him.
390
00:18:14,166 --> 00:18:15,750
Beingon stage was a thing
391
00:18:15,833 --> 00:18:17,375
that saved me from myself.
392
00:18:18,958 --> 00:18:21,000
When I was in a play,I was safe.
393
00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:32,375
I was drafted into the Armyon September 10th, 1956.
394
00:18:32,458 --> 00:18:33,541
At the end of basic training,
395
00:18:33,625 --> 00:18:35,333
I was assignedto the medical corps
396
00:18:35,416 --> 00:18:37,083
at the neuropsychiatrichospital
397
00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:39,500
in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania.
398
00:18:39,583 --> 00:18:43,041
Patients were all going
through psychotic phases.
399
00:18:43,125 --> 00:18:45,708
I saw their behavior.
400
00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:48,333
I thought that would be
the closest to acting
401
00:18:48,416 --> 00:18:49,916
that would help me later on.
402
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,166
Rowers, keep on rowing!
403
00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:52,500
I wasn't wrong.
404
00:18:52,583 --> 00:18:55,750
And they're
certainly not showing
405
00:18:55,833 --> 00:19:00,041
any signs that they are slowing!
406
00:19:03,875 --> 00:19:06,416
It's really tough for me to pick
my favorite Gene Wilder film
407
00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:08,916
because so many of them
were so great.
408
00:19:12,333 --> 00:19:14,916
But I have to say that
Willy Wonka's my favorite
409
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,625
because what Gene
was able to do on camera.
410
00:19:19,875 --> 00:19:22,000
That was so attractive.
411
00:19:22,083 --> 00:19:25,375
That was so charismatic
and becoming.
412
00:19:25,458 --> 00:19:26,791
I'm so glad you could come.
413
00:19:26,875 --> 00:19:28,958
This is going to be
such an exciting day.
414
00:19:29,041 --> 00:19:30,416
I hope you enjoy it.
415
00:19:31,291 --> 00:19:32,958
I think you will.
416
00:19:33,041 --> 00:19:35,250
And now would you please
show me your golden tickets?
417
00:19:35,333 --> 00:19:37,333
-Charlie Bucket.
-Well, well, Charlie Bucket.
418
00:19:37,416 --> 00:19:38,750
I read all about you
in the papers.
419
00:19:38,833 --> 00:19:40,041
I'm so happy for you.
420
00:19:41,333 --> 00:19:43,166
I was
in fourth grade
421
00:19:44,416 --> 00:19:46,250
in Shaker Heights, Ohio,
422
00:19:46,333 --> 00:19:48,000
and the Cleveland Playhouse
423
00:19:48,083 --> 00:19:50,375
has a very active
children's theater.
424
00:19:51,791 --> 00:19:53,333
It's got a nice résumé.
425
00:19:53,416 --> 00:19:56,583
Joel Grey came from
the Cleveland Playhouse.
426
00:19:56,666 --> 00:19:59,625
Margaret Hamilton,
Wicked Witch of the West.
427
00:20:01,041 --> 00:20:02,500
It was a good place to learn,
428
00:20:02,583 --> 00:20:05,625
good place to start for me.
429
00:20:05,708 --> 00:20:07,833
When they were
casting Willy Wonka,
430
00:20:07,916 --> 00:20:09,291
that was one of the theaters
431
00:20:09,375 --> 00:20:11,166
that they called.
432
00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:13,916
So my name was given to them.
433
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,416
They had me do a screen test.
434
00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:17,458
I was nobody.
435
00:20:17,541 --> 00:20:19,458
I didn't have a large résumé.
436
00:20:19,541 --> 00:20:21,666
This was just like a lark.
437
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:23,833
It was fun.
438
00:20:23,916 --> 00:20:25,166
If I didn't get the part,
439
00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:27,958
there was--there weren't
any hard feelings, you know?
440
00:20:29,416 --> 00:20:31,916
Months later,
Mel Stuart, the director,
441
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,958
finally called and talked
to my mother and said,
442
00:20:36,041 --> 00:20:38,875
"Hey, you got the role."
443
00:20:40,166 --> 00:20:41,875
I'm gonna be Charlie.
444
00:20:41,958 --> 00:20:45,208
"And you need to be
in Munich in like 10 days."
445
00:20:46,541 --> 00:20:48,208
Casting was very important
in the--
446
00:20:48,291 --> 00:20:51,833
but above all,
the casting of Wonka.
447
00:20:51,916 --> 00:20:54,916
One day I remember we were at
the Plaza Hotel in New York,
448
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,583
we were casting there.
449
00:20:56,666 --> 00:20:58,083
Gene Wilder walks in.
450
00:20:58,166 --> 00:21:00,625
And I looked at him and I said,
451
00:21:00,708 --> 00:21:01,541
"Here's just a line.
452
00:21:01,625 --> 00:21:04,958
Would you read just a line
for us from the book?"
453
00:21:05,041 --> 00:21:05,916
And he reads it.
454
00:21:06,666 --> 00:21:08,000
And he says, "Okay."
455
00:21:08,083 --> 00:21:09,916
I said, "Okay."
456
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,541
And he starts to walk out.
457
00:21:11,625 --> 00:21:15,833
And I went to the producer,
Dave Wolper, and I said,
458
00:21:15,916 --> 00:21:19,875
"No matter what happens,
he is Willy Wonka."
459
00:21:22,208 --> 00:21:25,416
I wasn't sure ifI wanted to play Willy Wonka.
460
00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:26,458
The script was good,
461
00:21:26,541 --> 00:21:28,833
but there was somethingthat was bothering me.
462
00:21:28,916 --> 00:21:31,541
Mel Stuart asked me,"What's bothering you?"
463
00:21:31,625 --> 00:21:33,958
It was my entrance walk.
464
00:21:34,041 --> 00:21:35,708
I think in the script
465
00:21:35,791 --> 00:21:38,916
it was written as this
big, energetic entrance.
466
00:21:46,291 --> 00:21:49,833
But he wanted to come out
sort of hobbling with a cane,
467
00:21:50,666 --> 00:21:52,708
kind of hunched over.
468
00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:58,750
Then Willy Wonka'scane gets stuck in a brick.
469
00:21:58,833 --> 00:22:01,458
And when Gene
came out and he's hobbling,
470
00:22:01,541 --> 00:22:04,083
and that's not what you expect,
471
00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:07,250
and then he falls
and does a somersault.
472
00:22:08,541 --> 00:22:12,041
That caught everybody
off--off guard.
473
00:22:12,125 --> 00:22:13,541
That was Gene's idea,
and I just thought
474
00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:15,791
it was so brilliant
because it was really important
475
00:22:15,875 --> 00:22:18,333
from the very first time
that you met him,
476
00:22:18,416 --> 00:22:21,666
you never know, is this guy,
you know, for real,
477
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:23,583
or is he full of baloney?
478
00:22:23,666 --> 00:22:24,791
Right from the get-go,
479
00:22:24,875 --> 00:22:28,791
that was how
he was setting himself up
480
00:22:28,875 --> 00:22:30,833
for us and for the audience.
481
00:22:34,083 --> 00:22:36,083
You could tell that
this was gonna be somebody
482
00:22:36,166 --> 00:22:37,833
that was gonna be fun
to work with.
483
00:22:37,916 --> 00:22:40,250
Right away
I think we hit it off.
484
00:22:42,083 --> 00:22:45,666
Gene was a father figure
and my mentor.
485
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:47,375
He was one of those people,
486
00:22:47,458 --> 00:22:49,291
like when you have
a really good teacher,
487
00:22:49,375 --> 00:22:51,250
you don't want to let them down.
488
00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:55,041
He wasn't treating me
like a kid.
489
00:22:55,125 --> 00:22:57,666
I was being treated
like his costar.
490
00:23:01,333 --> 00:23:02,791
Ladies and gentlemen.
491
00:23:04,041 --> 00:23:05,375
Boys and girls.
492
00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:07,958
The Chocolate Room.
493
00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:13,250
Our
first introduction
494
00:23:13,333 --> 00:23:15,541
to the Chocolate Room
was in fact
495
00:23:15,625 --> 00:23:18,875
the first time
that we had ever seen it.
496
00:23:18,958 --> 00:23:22,541
And Mel wanted
our initial reaction.
497
00:23:24,291 --> 00:23:27,208
That wow factor.
498
00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:31,583
And it was a big room, big set.
499
00:23:33,083 --> 00:23:34,708
Hold your breath.
500
00:23:34,791 --> 00:23:36,208
Make a wish.
501
00:23:36,291 --> 00:23:38,291
Count to three.
502
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:41,875
♪ Come with me and you'll be
503
00:23:41,958 --> 00:23:45,791
in a worldof pure imagination ♪♪
504
00:23:45,875 --> 00:23:47,958
Everything
is not what you think.
505
00:23:48,041 --> 00:23:49,791
- ♪ And you'll see ♪
- When you watched
506
00:23:49,875 --> 00:23:52,250
Willy Wonka,
and particularly with Gene.
507
00:23:52,333 --> 00:23:54,666
He was always doing
something unexpected,
508
00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:58,875
even if it was going down
three steps, coming back two.
509
00:23:58,958 --> 00:24:00,625
Why didn't you just
go down the step?
510
00:24:00,708 --> 00:24:01,583
No, no, no, no.
511
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:09,250
For him to treat those lyrics
512
00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:10,916
and that vocal performance
513
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,083
and that acting performance
514
00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:15,250
with such care and specificity,
515
00:24:15,333 --> 00:24:17,583
it was almost like
the way a wise person
516
00:24:17,666 --> 00:24:19,750
would speak to you
on top of a mountaintop.
517
00:24:19,833 --> 00:24:22,125
It's not always what you expect,
518
00:24:22,208 --> 00:24:24,416
but you leave feeling
a lot more enlightened
519
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:25,750
than you did when you got there.
520
00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:29,833
We are the music makers
521
00:24:29,916 --> 00:24:32,708
and we are the dreamers
of the dreams.
522
00:24:35,833 --> 00:24:37,875
And that was Gene's great gift.
523
00:24:41,375 --> 00:24:43,541
The guy
that built that set,
524
00:24:43,625 --> 00:24:48,375
Harper Goff,
was a brilliant designer.
525
00:24:48,458 --> 00:24:50,250
He had built
the most beautiful office
526
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:52,833
for Mr. Wonka
for the end of the film.
527
00:24:52,916 --> 00:24:55,083
Charlie's gonna say goodbye.
528
00:24:55,166 --> 00:24:57,708
I said, "No, Wonka's berserk."
529
00:24:58,958 --> 00:25:00,375
I said, "I want you to cut
530
00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:02,958
every piece of furniture
in half.
531
00:25:03,041 --> 00:25:04,625
I want the desks in half,
532
00:25:04,708 --> 00:25:06,291
I want the vault in half,
533
00:25:06,375 --> 00:25:09,208
I want the piece of paper
he reads in half.
534
00:25:09,291 --> 00:25:12,208
You've gotta keep the madness
up to the last minute.
535
00:25:12,958 --> 00:25:13,791
Mr. Wonka.
536
00:25:13,875 --> 00:25:16,083
I am
extraordinarily busy, sir.
537
00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:18,583
I just wanted to ask
about the chocolate.
538
00:25:18,666 --> 00:25:20,083
It was unrehearsed.
539
00:25:20,166 --> 00:25:22,125
Gene knew what he was gonna do,
540
00:25:22,208 --> 00:25:25,125
but we didn't know
what he was gonna do.
541
00:25:25,208 --> 00:25:28,000
The lifetime supply
of chocolate for Charlie.
542
00:25:29,125 --> 00:25:30,666
When does he get it?
543
00:25:30,750 --> 00:25:32,958
- He doesn't.
- Why not?
544
00:25:33,041 --> 00:25:35,250
Because he broke the rules.
545
00:25:35,333 --> 00:25:36,375
What rules?
546
00:25:36,458 --> 00:25:38,083
We didn't see any rules,
did we, Charlie?
547
00:25:38,166 --> 00:25:40,166
And they didn't know
what I was gonna do.
548
00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:42,958
But I really let 'em have it.
549
00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:45,458
Wrong, sir, wrong.
550
00:25:45,541 --> 00:25:47,708
Well, I knew that he was gonna
get a little upset with us,
551
00:25:47,791 --> 00:25:49,750
but I didn't know
he was gonna get that upset,
552
00:25:49,833 --> 00:25:51,333
you know, with us.
553
00:25:51,416 --> 00:25:53,333
It's all there, black and white,
554
00:25:53,416 --> 00:25:54,875
clear as crystal!
555
00:25:54,958 --> 00:25:57,125
You stole Fizzy Lifting Drinks!
556
00:25:57,208 --> 00:25:58,500
You bumped into the ceiling,
557
00:25:58,583 --> 00:26:00,958
which now has to be
washed and sterilized,
558
00:26:01,041 --> 00:26:03,333
so you get nothing!
559
00:26:03,416 --> 00:26:04,875
You lose!
560
00:26:04,958 --> 00:26:07,166
Good day, sir!
561
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:10,625
He wasn't gonna tell you
what he was gonna do.
562
00:26:10,708 --> 00:26:12,875
And so your expression,
563
00:26:12,958 --> 00:26:17,125
your reaction
was a genuine reaction.
564
00:26:17,208 --> 00:26:18,041
Charlie.
565
00:26:20,125 --> 00:26:21,291
My boy.
566
00:26:21,375 --> 00:26:24,291
In retrospect,Gene made it quite easy for me.
567
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:25,791
That's what good actors do.
568
00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:29,583
They helptheir partners on stage.
569
00:26:29,666 --> 00:26:33,333
This is
a very contemplative artist.
570
00:26:33,416 --> 00:26:34,666
The stars aligned,
571
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:39,041
because that kind of artistry
is--is super rare.
572
00:26:39,125 --> 00:26:41,291
One of
the best reviews of Willy Wonka
573
00:26:41,375 --> 00:26:43,166
comes from probably
the greatest film critic
574
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:45,375
of his generation, Roger Ebert,
575
00:26:45,458 --> 00:26:47,958
who says that Willy Wonkaand the Chocolate Factory
576
00:26:48,041 --> 00:26:49,958
is probably
the best film of its sort
577
00:26:50,041 --> 00:26:52,291
since The Wizard of Oz.
578
00:26:52,375 --> 00:26:54,291
"It is everything
that family movies
579
00:26:54,375 --> 00:26:56,833
usually claim to be, but aren't:
580
00:26:56,916 --> 00:27:00,125
Delightful, funny,
scary, exciting,
581
00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:03,291
and most of all,
a genuine work of imagination."
582
00:27:07,833 --> 00:27:09,958
I was askedto do publicity in Chicago
583
00:27:10,041 --> 00:27:12,541
for the release of Willy Wonka.
584
00:27:12,625 --> 00:27:15,791
The next day, I gota call from Woody Allen.
585
00:27:15,875 --> 00:27:18,416
"I want to do a remakeof Sister Carrie," he said.
586
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:19,875
I love you so much.
587
00:27:19,958 --> 00:27:20,958
"But insteadof a woman
588
00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:24,041
in Jennifer Jones' part,I want to use a sheep."
589
00:27:25,375 --> 00:27:28,166
I knew before readingthe script why he wanted me.
590
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:31,583
An actor who could believablyfall in love with a sheep
591
00:27:31,666 --> 00:27:33,750
and play it straight.
592
00:27:35,791 --> 00:27:40,125
When I left for Los Angelesto do Woody's film…
593
00:27:40,208 --> 00:27:43,000
I found out that Willy Wonkahad failed at the box office.
594
00:27:44,458 --> 00:27:45,958
I was toldthat many mothers thought
595
00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:47,750
the lessons in the moviewere too cruel
596
00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:50,500
for children to understand.
597
00:27:50,583 --> 00:27:53,041
I was leaving for Californiato do Woody's film
598
00:27:53,125 --> 00:27:55,416
in hopesof resurrecting my career.
599
00:27:58,875 --> 00:27:59,833
During all of the filming
600
00:27:59,916 --> 00:28:02,666
of Everything You Always
Wanted to Know About Sex,
601
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:04,791
Woody said, "If you don'tlike any of these lines,
602
00:28:04,875 --> 00:28:06,875
just change them to whatyou'd like to say."
603
00:28:08,416 --> 00:28:09,375
Hello, Daisy.
604
00:28:11,333 --> 00:28:12,625
She's so…
605
00:28:12,708 --> 00:28:15,875
It seemedan extraordinary thing to say.
606
00:28:15,958 --> 00:28:17,916
Woody's great confidencewas not that he knew
607
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,791
he'd chosen the right actor,
608
00:28:19,875 --> 00:28:21,375
but that the eventhe had written
609
00:28:21,458 --> 00:28:23,291
was more importantthan the particular words
610
00:28:23,375 --> 00:28:26,416
the actor used to bringthat event to life.
611
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:28,958
Mr. Milos, I, uh…
612
00:28:30,791 --> 00:28:33,208
I'd like to see
the two of you again,
613
00:28:33,291 --> 00:28:37,666
but right now, you know,
my office is jammed full.
614
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:40,041
Oh, I knew you could help.
615
00:28:40,125 --> 00:28:41,916
I knew--thank you, Doctor.
616
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,166
As a matter of fact, uh,
617
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:46,666
if I could see Daisy alone,
618
00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:49,000
maybe, you know…
619
00:28:49,083 --> 00:28:51,500
Anything, anything.
620
00:28:51,583 --> 00:28:54,166
You know, Gene was able
to do things in comedy
621
00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:56,583
that are dangerous to do,
622
00:28:56,666 --> 00:28:59,166
because he went often
623
00:28:59,250 --> 00:29:02,083
for such an extreme
characterization
624
00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:05,125
or such an extreme situation,
625
00:29:05,208 --> 00:29:06,625
digging down into yourself
626
00:29:06,708 --> 00:29:09,291
to find this absurd reality.
627
00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:10,958
Darling.
628
00:29:12,791 --> 00:29:16,208
I know this must all seem
very strange to you.
629
00:29:17,875 --> 00:29:19,541
You from the hills of Armenia
630
00:29:19,625 --> 00:29:21,333
and me from Jackson Heights.
631
00:29:21,416 --> 00:29:24,833
And yet I think it could work…
632
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,666
if we gave it a chance.
633
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:29,125
You could have substituted
634
00:29:29,208 --> 00:29:33,250
the most glamorous
female movie star
635
00:29:33,333 --> 00:29:36,666
for the sheep the way
Gene treated the sheep.
636
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:39,375
I don't think I've ever known
such peace and happiness
637
00:29:39,458 --> 00:29:40,625
in my life.
638
00:29:40,708 --> 00:29:44,541
There's this ability
to be simple and honest…
639
00:29:44,625 --> 00:29:45,833
Is it my imagination
640
00:29:45,916 --> 00:29:48,125
or do you really smell
from lamb chops?
641
00:29:48,208 --> 00:29:53,041
…in a situation which is
extraordinary and absurd.
642
00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:58,333
Defendant did commit
an adulterous act with a sheep.
643
00:29:58,416 --> 00:30:00,041
It's most distasteful
in view of the fact
644
00:30:00,125 --> 00:30:02,208
that the sheep
was under 18 years old.
645
00:30:03,916 --> 00:30:04,958
The memory of
646
00:30:05,041 --> 00:30:07,041
Everything You Always
Wanted to Know About Sex
647
00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:10,208
was so happythat it was making me sad,
648
00:30:10,291 --> 00:30:11,625
wondering if I wouldever be asked
649
00:30:11,708 --> 00:30:13,750
to work onsomething wonderful again.
650
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:21,250
In California, Mel Brookswas doing preproduction
651
00:30:21,333 --> 00:30:23,416
on a film called Black Bart.
652
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:28,041
The title was later changedto Blazing Saddles.
653
00:30:28,125 --> 00:30:31,791
It was a Westernpoking fun at Westerns.
654
00:30:32,583 --> 00:30:34,041
Has anybody got a dime?
655
00:30:35,583 --> 00:30:38,500
My biggest problem
was finding the Waco Kid.
656
00:30:38,583 --> 00:30:42,375
The Waco Kid is the sidekick
to the Black sheriff.
657
00:30:42,458 --> 00:30:47,250
An alcoholic that's struggling
to stay alive in the world.
658
00:30:47,333 --> 00:30:49,708
Then I saw a movie
with Gig Young,
659
00:30:49,791 --> 00:30:51,291
They Shoot Horses, Don't They?
660
00:30:51,375 --> 00:30:53,750
But I sure as hell
can spot a loser.
661
00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,166
A wonderful actor.
662
00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:58,250
And I found out
that in real life
663
00:30:58,333 --> 00:31:00,500
he was a bit of an alcoholic.
664
00:31:00,583 --> 00:31:02,375
His agent said, "No, no,
665
00:31:02,458 --> 00:31:04,333
he's been on the wagon
for two years.
666
00:31:04,416 --> 00:31:05,541
Not to worry."
667
00:31:05,625 --> 00:31:09,583
But life has taught me
"not to worry" means worry!
668
00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:13,916
Anyway, we start shooting.
669
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,000
We're in the jail.
670
00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:17,875
The Waco Kid is upside down.
671
00:31:17,958 --> 00:31:19,083
Are we awake?
672
00:31:19,166 --> 00:31:20,625
There's Cleavon Little
673
00:31:20,708 --> 00:31:22,875
upside down from
the Waco Kid's POV,
674
00:31:22,958 --> 00:31:23,875
point of view.
675
00:31:23,958 --> 00:31:26,250
And Gig Young, he's struggling.
676
00:31:26,333 --> 00:31:28,000
"Are we Bla--are we Bla--"
677
00:31:28,083 --> 00:31:30,041
He never finished
the word Black.
678
00:31:30,125 --> 00:31:34,500
And ended it
with a geyser of green vomit
679
00:31:34,583 --> 00:31:36,916
that shot across the jail cell
680
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,750
and got the crew
and everybody drenched.
681
00:31:43,208 --> 00:31:44,416
So we called for an ambulance
682
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,458
and got him
to the hospital in Burbank.
683
00:31:48,541 --> 00:31:50,875
The doctor who was
treating him said,
684
00:31:50,958 --> 00:31:52,208
"He's suffering from the DTs,"
685
00:31:52,291 --> 00:31:53,875
or what's that,
delirium tremens.
686
00:31:53,958 --> 00:31:56,166
It's a thing alcoholics get.
687
00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:58,250
So he hadn't stopped drinking.
688
00:31:58,333 --> 00:31:59,625
I said, "Well, can he work?"
689
00:31:59,708 --> 00:32:02,833
And he said, "Yeah,
in about three or four months."
690
00:32:02,916 --> 00:32:05,250
This is Friday,
I've got a shoot Monday.
691
00:32:06,666 --> 00:32:08,333
There!
692
00:32:08,416 --> 00:32:11,875
It came to me right then
and there, Gene Wilder.
693
00:32:13,458 --> 00:32:15,041
He'll save me.
694
00:32:15,125 --> 00:32:17,125
He saved me on The Producers.
695
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:19,750
He will save me.
696
00:32:19,833 --> 00:32:22,291
And I called him and I said,
697
00:32:22,375 --> 00:32:23,416
and I was crying…
698
00:32:25,625 --> 00:32:27,208
I said, "Gene, I need you!
699
00:32:27,291 --> 00:32:28,500
I need you! Come here!
700
00:32:28,583 --> 00:32:30,708
Come. Save me."
701
00:32:30,791 --> 00:32:33,708
He called me
from the phone on stage.
702
00:32:33,791 --> 00:32:36,041
He said,
"Can you come tomorrow?"
703
00:32:36,125 --> 00:32:38,625
I said, "I'm supposed
to go to London to do, uh,
704
00:32:38,708 --> 00:32:41,125
The Little Prince
with Stanley Donen directing."
705
00:32:42,125 --> 00:32:43,375
"Beg off."
706
00:32:43,458 --> 00:32:45,500
The next day I was on a plane,
707
00:32:45,583 --> 00:32:48,791
and the next day I was hanging
upside down in a jail cell.
708
00:32:48,875 --> 00:32:50,666
Are we awake?
709
00:32:54,833 --> 00:32:56,250
We are not sure.
710
00:32:57,791 --> 00:33:00,375
Are we Black?
711
00:33:00,458 --> 00:33:03,541
You know, it's just
so great, his reading.
712
00:33:03,625 --> 00:33:06,875
And I said,
"That's the Waco Kid."
713
00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:14,875
Send a wire to the main office
and tell 'em that I said--
714
00:33:14,958 --> 00:33:16,458
Ow!
715
00:33:16,541 --> 00:33:18,458
Send wire, main office.
716
00:33:18,541 --> 00:33:21,416
Tell them I said, "Ow." Gotcha.
717
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,250
I was one of the bad guys,
718
00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:28,458
but I was the funniest one
of the bad guys, too.
719
00:33:28,541 --> 00:33:32,041
And I played him
all through the thing,
720
00:33:32,125 --> 00:33:35,291
maybe not quite
all there up here.
721
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:40,958
We come riding up in the picture
722
00:33:41,041 --> 00:33:43,666
and meet the Waco Kid
and the sheriff.
723
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:47,625
And Mr. Taggart says,
"We're gonna shoot you guys."
724
00:33:47,708 --> 00:33:49,458
All right, boys.
725
00:33:49,541 --> 00:33:51,041
On a count of three.
726
00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:53,666
I wouldn't do that
if I were you.
727
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:56,291
We have our guns drawn
728
00:33:56,375 --> 00:34:00,041
and we're gonna shoot
all the good guys.
729
00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:04,333
Gene, being the quick draw
that he was,
730
00:34:05,166 --> 00:34:06,375
he's kind of like,
731
00:34:06,458 --> 00:34:09,916
"I got something here
that you don't know I've got."
732
00:34:12,625 --> 00:34:16,291
He puts his guns back
and you can see the smoke
733
00:34:16,375 --> 00:34:18,708
coming out
of his holsters there.
734
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:26,000
So I'll remember Gene
not just by his acting ability,
735
00:34:26,083 --> 00:34:28,208
which was wonderful…
736
00:34:30,083 --> 00:34:34,708
…but because he was so good
to me and so supportive.
737
00:34:34,791 --> 00:34:36,541
Hurray!
738
00:34:36,625 --> 00:34:39,333
Hurray! Hurray!
739
00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:46,875
Even though
it was a wild comedy…
740
00:34:49,125 --> 00:34:50,666
…in Blazing Saddles…
741
00:34:52,666 --> 00:34:55,541
…racial prejudice
is the engine
742
00:34:55,625 --> 00:34:59,375
that really drives the film
and helps to make it work.
743
00:35:00,291 --> 00:35:01,708
Good mornin', ma'am.
744
00:35:01,791 --> 00:35:03,958
Cleavon Little,
he sees a little old lady.
745
00:35:04,041 --> 00:35:05,458
…a lovely morning?
746
00:35:05,541 --> 00:35:09,041
Trying to make friends
with the citizens of Rock Ridge,
747
00:35:09,125 --> 00:35:12,500
and she says,
"Up yours, n-word."
748
00:35:12,583 --> 00:35:16,208
The sheriff shakes his head
and we can see tears.
749
00:35:16,291 --> 00:35:21,041
And Gene read
these lines so beautifully.
750
00:35:21,125 --> 00:35:23,000
What did you expect?
751
00:35:23,083 --> 00:35:27,416
"Welcome, sonny,
make yourself at home"?
752
00:35:28,583 --> 00:35:30,333
"Marry my daughter"?
753
00:35:30,416 --> 00:35:33,416
You gotta remember that
these are just simple farmers.
754
00:35:34,583 --> 00:35:36,958
These are people of the land.
755
00:35:37,916 --> 00:35:41,000
The common clay of the new West.
756
00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:43,833
You know…
757
00:35:46,083 --> 00:35:46,916
morons.
758
00:35:49,708 --> 00:35:53,333
And--and that was one
of the funniest, you know,
759
00:35:53,416 --> 00:35:55,000
laughs in the whole picture,
760
00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:58,250
and nobody in the world
could have handled it
761
00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:01,041
half as well as Gene Wilder.
762
00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:03,666
And you can tell
763
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:06,958
from the scene
and listening to him,
764
00:36:07,041 --> 00:36:10,375
he's speaking from the heart.
765
00:36:10,458 --> 00:36:13,583
There is this
authenticity to the Waco Kid
766
00:36:13,666 --> 00:36:17,666
that I don't think someone
like John Wayne or Gig Young
767
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:18,583
would have brought,
768
00:36:18,666 --> 00:36:21,708
because instantly
it would have registered,
769
00:36:21,791 --> 00:36:24,500
"Oh, this is a veteran
Western character actor
770
00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:27,916
doing a parody
of a Western character actor."
771
00:36:28,833 --> 00:36:30,750
Gene Wilder played the Waco Kid
772
00:36:30,833 --> 00:36:35,208
as crazy and nutty
but entirely believable.
773
00:36:35,291 --> 00:36:36,875
Where are you headed, cowboy?
774
00:36:38,166 --> 00:36:39,583
Nowhere special.
775
00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:43,750
Nowhere special.
776
00:36:45,291 --> 00:36:47,375
I always wanted to go there.
777
00:36:47,458 --> 00:36:48,291
What can I tell ya?
778
00:36:48,375 --> 00:36:52,375
He did a magnificent job
all through the picture.
779
00:36:52,458 --> 00:36:54,750
I think 1974's
probably the perfect year
780
00:36:54,833 --> 00:36:55,916
for Blazing Saddles.
781
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,666
Blaxploitation films
at their height.
782
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:03,625
Having a smart
and thoughtful Western parody
783
00:37:03,708 --> 00:37:07,416
that really takes a hard look
at America's racism,
784
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:08,750
that is genius.
785
00:37:19,958 --> 00:37:21,750
I met Gene one day
786
00:37:21,833 --> 00:37:25,125
when I was buying clothes
in Beverly Hills.
787
00:37:25,208 --> 00:37:26,041
I introduced myself.
788
00:37:26,125 --> 00:37:29,125
I said, "Gene,
you know, I'm Mike Medavoy.
789
00:37:29,208 --> 00:37:32,125
I'm an agent
and I'd like to represent you."
790
00:37:32,208 --> 00:37:34,541
And I said, "The truth is,
I look at your career,
791
00:37:34,625 --> 00:37:39,041
you oughta be writing
and probably directing too."
792
00:37:39,125 --> 00:37:40,958
Because ofthat accidental bump
793
00:37:41,041 --> 00:37:41,916
on the street corner,
794
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,666
Mike Medavoy becamemy California agent.
795
00:37:45,375 --> 00:37:47,250
And I signed Gene.
796
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:52,541
I renteda small house on the bay
797
00:37:52,625 --> 00:37:55,875
in Westhampton Beach, New York.
798
00:37:55,958 --> 00:37:57,791
After lunch one afternoon,
799
00:37:57,875 --> 00:37:59,250
I walked up to my bedroom
800
00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:02,375
with a yellow legal padand a blue felt pen.
801
00:38:02,458 --> 00:38:04,625
At the top of the page,I wrote,
802
00:38:05,833 --> 00:38:07,458
"Young Frankenstein."
803
00:38:10,208 --> 00:38:12,291
"The Birth of a Monster."
804
00:38:12,375 --> 00:38:14,750
And then wrote two pagesof what might happen to me
805
00:38:14,833 --> 00:38:18,708
if I were the great-grandsonof Beaufort von Frankenstein
806
00:38:18,791 --> 00:38:20,041
and was called to Transylvania
807
00:38:20,125 --> 00:38:21,458
because I had just inherited
808
00:38:21,541 --> 00:38:23,208
the Frankenstein estate.
809
00:38:26,291 --> 00:38:29,458
That night I watched a summerreplacement television show
810
00:38:29,541 --> 00:38:32,166
called The Marty Feldman
Comedy Machine.
811
00:38:32,250 --> 00:38:34,000
Would you, uh, walk this way?
812
00:38:34,083 --> 00:38:35,291
After seeing it,
813
00:38:35,375 --> 00:38:38,541
I said, "Who is thatfunny man on television?"
814
00:38:41,583 --> 00:38:43,500
A week later, I received a call
815
00:38:43,583 --> 00:38:46,541
from my California agent,
Mike Medavoy.
816
00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:49,625
I was sitting in my office
817
00:38:49,708 --> 00:38:52,958
and Marty Feldman
and his wife were there
818
00:38:53,041 --> 00:38:55,500
to try to get me
to represent him.
819
00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:58,416
And then Peter Boyle
walked into the office.
820
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,541
And so I introduced all of them.
821
00:39:00,625 --> 00:39:02,166
And I decided, "You know what?
822
00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:05,791
I have a feeling that this
would be a really good group
823
00:39:05,875 --> 00:39:08,291
to put together with Gene."
824
00:39:08,375 --> 00:39:10,166
So I called Gene up
on the phone.
825
00:39:12,416 --> 00:39:16,083
And I said, "Gene, do you have
anything that you can do
826
00:39:16,166 --> 00:39:18,416
with Marty Feldman
and Peter Boyle?"
827
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:20,375
I said, "How did you happen
to come up with that?"
828
00:39:20,458 --> 00:39:23,333
He said, "'Cause I represent
you and Marty and Peter."
829
00:39:23,416 --> 00:39:25,583
And, uh…
830
00:39:25,666 --> 00:39:26,833
As it happens,
831
00:39:26,916 --> 00:39:28,750
I think I do have something.
832
00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:30,208
I want to work on itfor another day.
833
00:39:30,291 --> 00:39:31,666
I'll send it to you.
834
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:33,416
That night, inspired by
835
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,916
having just seenMarty Feldman on television,
836
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,125
I wrote a scene that takesplace at Transylvania Station
837
00:39:39,208 --> 00:39:41,666
where Igor and Frederickmeet for the first time
838
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:44,125
almost verbatimthe way it was later filmed.
839
00:39:49,416 --> 00:39:51,125
Dr. Frankenstein?
840
00:39:56,958 --> 00:39:58,416
Frankenstein.
841
00:40:00,416 --> 00:40:02,166
You're putting me on.
842
00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:04,083
I calledMel Brooks and told him
843
00:40:04,166 --> 00:40:05,958
my littleFrankenstein scenario.
844
00:40:07,375 --> 00:40:09,583
"Cute," he said,"that's cute."
845
00:40:09,666 --> 00:40:10,833
"What's your dream for this?"
846
00:40:10,916 --> 00:40:14,708
He said, "I want you to write it
with me and direct it.
847
00:40:14,791 --> 00:40:16,875
And not be in it."
848
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:21,083
And I said, "Okay, I'll do it."
849
00:40:23,625 --> 00:40:26,083
The next morning,I would start writing.
850
00:40:26,166 --> 00:40:28,291
Mel would come overafter dinner each evening
851
00:40:28,375 --> 00:40:30,250
and look at the pages.
852
00:40:30,333 --> 00:40:33,333
When we thought
we had a good script,
853
00:40:33,416 --> 00:40:36,125
we met Mike Gruskoff,
854
00:40:36,208 --> 00:40:38,666
a wonderful guy
and a wonderful producer.
855
00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:41,833
And he said, "I've had
a discussion already
856
00:40:41,916 --> 00:40:42,916
with Columbia Pictures."
857
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
"Yeah? Yeah?"
858
00:40:45,083 --> 00:40:46,500
Gene, Mel, and I,
859
00:40:46,583 --> 00:40:48,958
we had a meeting at Columbia.
860
00:40:49,041 --> 00:40:51,916
I said, "We really like
the script."
861
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,125
We thought we had
something good, you know?
862
00:40:54,208 --> 00:40:57,000
We definitely thought
we had something good.
863
00:40:57,083 --> 00:40:58,500
We shook hands.
864
00:40:58,583 --> 00:41:02,666
We're ready, we're ready
to make Young Frankenstein
865
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:04,916
for Columbia Pictures.
866
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,416
As we leave the--the meeting,
867
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:09,541
I get to the door,
before I shut it, I say,
868
00:41:09,625 --> 00:41:10,875
"Oh, by the way…"
869
00:41:12,333 --> 00:41:17,458
"…in the James Whale
1931 Universal tradition,
870
00:41:17,541 --> 00:41:19,833
we are making it
in black and white."
871
00:41:20,625 --> 00:41:22,208
Closed the door, left.
872
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:26,875
A thundering herd
of Jewish executives
873
00:41:26,958 --> 00:41:28,791
run after us
down the hall, saying,
874
00:41:28,875 --> 00:41:30,708
"No, no, it's a deal-breaker."
875
00:41:30,791 --> 00:41:32,083
And as one,
876
00:41:32,166 --> 00:41:36,125
Gruskoff, and Gene,
and Mel shouted back,
877
00:41:36,208 --> 00:41:38,458
"Then break it."
878
00:41:38,541 --> 00:41:41,500
Nobody wanted to do
a black and white movie.
879
00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:45,166
Mike Gruskoff actually was
very friendly with Alan Ladd,
880
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:47,750
and took it to Fox.
881
00:41:47,833 --> 00:41:51,125
Alan Ladd, Jr.
was one of my close friends.
882
00:41:51,208 --> 00:41:53,833
He had come to Fox.
883
00:41:53,916 --> 00:41:55,625
Three days later, we had a deal.
884
00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:00,083
If you're gonna
make a parody tribute film
885
00:42:00,166 --> 00:42:02,125
of James Whale's Frankenstein,
886
00:42:02,208 --> 00:42:04,291
you're gonna have to do that
in black and white
887
00:42:04,375 --> 00:42:05,416
if you're gonna do it right.
888
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:08,291
Mel Brooks and Gene Wilder
understood that.
889
00:42:08,375 --> 00:42:09,708
Columbia executives,
890
00:42:09,791 --> 00:42:11,750
to their eternal regret,
891
00:42:11,833 --> 00:42:13,166
did not.
892
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:21,416
Making Young Frankenstein
893
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,500
was the happiestI'd ever been on a film.
894
00:42:25,041 --> 00:42:26,541
Madeline Kahn, Peter Boyle,
895
00:42:26,625 --> 00:42:28,750
Marty Feldman, Teri Garr,
896
00:42:28,833 --> 00:42:31,000
Cloris Leachman, Kenny Mars,
897
00:42:31,083 --> 00:42:33,833
and Mel directing.
898
00:42:33,916 --> 00:42:37,041
It was like taking a smallbreath of heaven each day.
899
00:42:39,166 --> 00:42:43,000
Creatively,
I let them do their thing.
900
00:42:43,083 --> 00:42:46,375
Gene and Mel take it
to the next step.
901
00:42:46,458 --> 00:42:48,125
They go beyond.
902
00:42:48,208 --> 00:42:49,916
They have balls,
903
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,375
that's what they have.
904
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:59,875
What knockers!
905
00:42:59,958 --> 00:43:03,083
Oh, thank you, Doctor.
906
00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:06,000
Mel and Gene,
907
00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:09,250
they're not afraid to go big.
908
00:43:09,333 --> 00:43:11,750
They're not afraid of failure.
909
00:43:11,833 --> 00:43:13,291
They'll take a chance.
910
00:43:13,375 --> 00:43:14,916
The only thing that concerns me
911
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,416
is the preservation of life!
912
00:43:19,291 --> 00:43:21,791
I never had
to give Gene any direction.
913
00:43:24,625 --> 00:43:25,750
And I didn't have to, really,
914
00:43:25,833 --> 00:43:28,125
'cause he was such a good actor.
915
00:43:28,208 --> 00:43:31,416
We shall ascend
into the heavens.
916
00:43:32,833 --> 00:43:36,125
We shall mock the earthquake.
917
00:43:36,208 --> 00:43:38,708
We had a code,
blue and orange.
918
00:43:38,791 --> 00:43:42,125
When I said, "Gene, blue,"
meant, "Bring it up."
919
00:43:43,333 --> 00:43:46,666
Give me more intensity,
more excitement.
920
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,333
When I said, "Orange,"
921
00:43:48,416 --> 00:43:50,958
I want you to play over the top.
922
00:43:51,041 --> 00:43:54,458
I'd say, "Gene, I need orange
here at the end of this."
923
00:43:54,541 --> 00:43:55,875
"Got it."
924
00:43:55,958 --> 00:43:57,708
Life, do you hear me?
925
00:43:58,833 --> 00:44:03,958
Give my creation life!
926
00:44:04,041 --> 00:44:05,791
He could
hit a high note…
927
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,041
…easily as high
as Maria Callas.
928
00:44:09,125 --> 00:44:10,708
He--he could go there.
929
00:44:10,791 --> 00:44:12,166
He was amazing.
930
00:44:13,791 --> 00:44:15,458
I hadfavorite moments of him,
931
00:44:15,541 --> 00:44:18,166
as I do of most actors.
932
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:20,833
I admire so muchthe big moments
933
00:44:20,916 --> 00:44:22,750
when he still was believable.
934
00:44:22,833 --> 00:44:26,916
It's alive!
935
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,916
And then there was
a quiet moment
936
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,083
in Young Frankenstein
937
00:44:31,166 --> 00:44:33,791
when it was just as ludicrous,
938
00:44:33,875 --> 00:44:36,875
but it was quiet and sincere.
939
00:44:36,958 --> 00:44:40,541
He was questioning Igor
like a little boy.
940
00:44:40,625 --> 00:44:42,458
Would you mind telling me…
941
00:44:44,416 --> 00:44:48,208
whose brain I did put in?
942
00:44:48,291 --> 00:44:49,583
And you won't be angry?
943
00:44:49,666 --> 00:44:53,250
I will not be angry.
944
00:44:53,916 --> 00:44:55,125
Abby someone.
945
00:44:56,666 --> 00:44:57,791
Abby someone?
946
00:44:59,041 --> 00:45:00,000
Abby who?
947
00:45:00,083 --> 00:45:01,833
Abby Normal.
948
00:45:04,541 --> 00:45:06,958
"Abby Normal."
949
00:45:07,041 --> 00:45:09,416
I'm almost sure
that was the name.
950
00:45:13,375 --> 00:45:18,750
Are you saying
that I put an abnormal brain
951
00:45:18,833 --> 00:45:23,250
into a seven-and-a-half-
foot long,
952
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:27,416
54-inch-wide…
953
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:30,208
…gorilla?
954
00:45:30,291 --> 00:45:32,333
He was so real about it
955
00:45:32,416 --> 00:45:36,916
that it was just as absurd
as the big, showy moment,
956
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,541
but even more hilarious,
957
00:45:38,625 --> 00:45:41,250
because he meant it,
he really meant it.
958
00:45:42,958 --> 00:45:45,291
We shall be friends.
959
00:45:45,375 --> 00:45:47,291
It was Gene Wilder's idea.
960
00:45:47,375 --> 00:45:49,750
He says, "Well, maybe
I can get Gene Hackman
961
00:45:49,833 --> 00:45:51,625
to play the blind guy."
962
00:45:51,708 --> 00:45:53,333
Because they were pals.
963
00:45:53,416 --> 00:45:55,541
And he got Hackman,
964
00:45:55,625 --> 00:45:58,333
who was so great.
965
00:45:58,416 --> 00:45:59,458
Are you ready for your soup?
966
00:46:01,291 --> 00:46:03,583
Oh, my friend, my friend.
967
00:46:03,666 --> 00:46:05,958
You don't know how long
I've waited for the pleasure
968
00:46:06,041 --> 00:46:07,500
of another human being.
969
00:46:07,583 --> 00:46:09,083
And sometimes,
in our preoccupation…
970
00:46:13,583 --> 00:46:16,708
And he was funny,
he was very funny, you know?
971
00:46:18,083 --> 00:46:19,000
Oof!
972
00:46:19,083 --> 00:46:21,750
We neverimprovised dialogue on the set.
973
00:46:21,833 --> 00:46:23,708
Would you like to have
a roll in the hay?
974
00:46:23,791 --> 00:46:25,250
Physical actions, yes,
975
00:46:25,333 --> 00:46:26,250
but not dialogue.
976
00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:29,750
♪ Roll, roll,roll in the hay ♪♪
977
00:46:29,833 --> 00:46:30,666
Marker.
978
00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:32,375
We werefilming the scene
979
00:46:32,458 --> 00:46:34,666
of Madeline Kahn's arrivalat the Frankenstein castle.
980
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:35,791
Action!
981
00:46:35,875 --> 00:46:37,541
She waswearing a fox stole
982
00:46:37,625 --> 00:46:38,875
and a big turban on her head,
983
00:46:38,958 --> 00:46:39,875
and then Marty,
984
00:46:39,958 --> 00:46:41,458
in one of hisimpulsive inspirations,
985
00:46:41,541 --> 00:46:44,375
took a huge bite outof the tail of the fox fur
986
00:46:44,458 --> 00:46:46,583
that Madeline was wearingaround her neck.
987
00:46:47,916 --> 00:46:50,000
But the tailcame off in his mouth.
988
00:46:50,083 --> 00:46:51,250
Stop that!
989
00:46:51,333 --> 00:46:53,500
And wecouldn't not laugh.
990
00:46:53,583 --> 00:46:54,833
May I go in?
991
00:46:55,833 --> 00:46:56,833
Cut!
992
00:46:58,916 --> 00:47:00,166
We all laughed,
993
00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:03,000
and Marty wasso funny doing it.
994
00:47:03,083 --> 00:47:06,500
Out of such lunacy,great comedy is born.
995
00:47:08,583 --> 00:47:11,250
We had to stop
a lot of times to…
996
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:12,500
That music!
997
00:47:12,583 --> 00:47:14,375
Becauseeverybody was laughing.
998
00:47:14,458 --> 00:47:15,458
That quaint…
999
00:47:17,333 --> 00:47:18,708
All right!
1000
00:47:18,791 --> 00:47:20,458
We hadto take breaks.
1001
00:47:20,541 --> 00:47:22,333
Follow me, please.
1002
00:47:24,541 --> 00:47:26,750
It cost me over $200.
1003
00:47:26,833 --> 00:47:28,833
I bought handkerchiefs,
1004
00:47:28,916 --> 00:47:31,750
about 150 handkerchiefs
for the crew and everybody.
1005
00:47:31,833 --> 00:47:34,375
Now, listen
to me very carefully.
1006
00:47:34,458 --> 00:47:37,458
Don't put the candle back.
1007
00:47:37,541 --> 00:47:39,750
I said, "When you feel
a laugh coming on…"
1008
00:47:41,791 --> 00:47:43,500
"…shove that handkerchief
in your mouth.
1009
00:47:44,666 --> 00:47:45,708
Stifle your laugh."
1010
00:47:45,791 --> 00:47:47,916
I think it may have been
the "What hump?"
1011
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,666
You know, I don't
mean to embarrass you,
1012
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:51,750
but I'm a rather
brilliant surgeon.
1013
00:47:51,833 --> 00:47:54,291
Perhaps I could
help you with that hump?
1014
00:47:55,125 --> 00:47:56,333
What hump?
1015
00:47:56,416 --> 00:47:59,458
He turned
to look at the crew
1016
00:47:59,541 --> 00:48:02,666
and I saw a sea
of white handkerchiefs.
1017
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:06,625
I said, "I think
we got a hit here."
1018
00:48:06,708 --> 00:48:08,458
In allthe time we spent together,
1019
00:48:08,541 --> 00:48:10,750
Mel and I hadonly one argument.
1020
00:48:10,833 --> 00:48:12,833
It was when I showed hima scene I had written
1021
00:48:12,916 --> 00:48:16,500
in which Dr. Frankensteinand the monster sing and dance
1022
00:48:16,583 --> 00:48:19,208
to "Puttin' on the Ritz."
1023
00:48:19,291 --> 00:48:22,166
I said, "There's no
'Puttin' on the Ritz,'
1024
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:24,750
we are not gonna do that.
1025
00:48:24,833 --> 00:48:27,666
Because we have been
very faithful
1026
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:31,041
to James Whale
and to the horror films
1027
00:48:31,125 --> 00:48:32,416
of the '30s.
1028
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:34,375
This makes it silly."
1029
00:48:34,458 --> 00:48:37,291
I said, "No, we're not doing it,
that's the end of it."
1030
00:48:37,375 --> 00:48:40,791
I was close to rage and tears.
1031
00:48:42,416 --> 00:48:43,625
I argued logic
1032
00:48:43,708 --> 00:48:45,833
from Dr. Frankenstein's
point of view.
1033
00:48:45,916 --> 00:48:48,000
His need to win over
this stuffy audience
1034
00:48:48,083 --> 00:48:49,916
of scientists and their wives
1035
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,875
that the monster could
be taught to do anything.
1036
00:48:53,958 --> 00:48:56,208
And right in mid-sentence,
Mel says,
1037
00:48:56,291 --> 00:48:57,541
"Okay, it's in."
1038
00:48:59,916 --> 00:49:02,208
"I wanted to see
how hard you'd fight for it."
1039
00:49:02,291 --> 00:49:03,708
And I knew if you
fought hard enough,
1040
00:49:03,791 --> 00:49:05,375
it was right."
1041
00:49:07,125 --> 00:49:08,291
We would start shooting,
1042
00:49:08,375 --> 00:49:12,416
and Gene put everything
he had into it to prove it.
1043
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:15,041
♪ Come, let's mix whereRockefellers walk with… ♪
1044
00:49:15,125 --> 00:49:19,250
And Peter Boyle
was never better.
1045
00:49:22,125 --> 00:49:24,208
After that was over, I said,
1046
00:49:24,291 --> 00:49:26,333
"Gene, accept my apology.
1047
00:49:26,416 --> 00:49:28,958
It's the best thing
in the movie.
1048
00:49:29,041 --> 00:49:31,541
It's the reason we made it."
1049
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:43,541
When you think about
1050
00:49:43,625 --> 00:49:45,125
great cinematic collaborations--
1051
00:49:45,208 --> 00:49:47,708
I mean, whether you're
talking about Tracy and Hepburn
1052
00:49:47,791 --> 00:49:50,208
or William Powell and Myrna Loy,
1053
00:49:50,291 --> 00:49:53,500
or, uh, Steven Spielberg
and John Williams,
1054
00:49:53,583 --> 00:49:56,625
Mel Brooks and Gene Wilder
belong in that class.
1055
00:49:56,708 --> 00:49:59,083
They fed off each other
and that pushed them
1056
00:49:59,166 --> 00:50:01,166
to the heights
they both achieved.
1057
00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:06,875
On the last dayof filming,
1058
00:50:06,958 --> 00:50:08,291
during our lunch hour,
1059
00:50:08,375 --> 00:50:11,083
I was sitting inthe Frankenstein bedroom set,
1060
00:50:11,166 --> 00:50:13,625
staring at the fake fireplace.
1061
00:50:13,708 --> 00:50:16,125
Mel wandered in and saw me.
1062
00:50:16,208 --> 00:50:17,583
"What's the matter?
1063
00:50:17,666 --> 00:50:19,875
Why so sad?" he asked.
1064
00:50:19,958 --> 00:50:22,083
"I don't wantto leave Transylvania."
1065
00:50:34,125 --> 00:50:36,708
When we were in the thickof editing Young Frankenstein,
1066
00:50:36,791 --> 00:50:38,958
Mel turned to me and said,
1067
00:50:39,041 --> 00:50:40,041
"If you keep writing,
1068
00:50:40,125 --> 00:50:41,458
you're gonna want to direct
1069
00:50:41,541 --> 00:50:45,750
just so someone doesn'tscrew up what you've written."
1070
00:50:45,833 --> 00:50:49,291
Two weeks later,fate just struck again.
1071
00:50:49,375 --> 00:50:52,625
Alan Ladd, Jr. asked meif I wanted to direct
1072
00:50:52,708 --> 00:50:54,583
Sherlock Holmes'
Smarter Brother,
1073
00:50:54,666 --> 00:50:56,791
my idea fora romantic comedy
1074
00:50:56,875 --> 00:50:59,958
about a brotherof Sherlock Holmes.
1075
00:51:00,041 --> 00:51:01,166
Gene said,
"There's something
1076
00:51:01,250 --> 00:51:04,500
I want to write and direct."
1077
00:51:04,583 --> 00:51:06,958
And Gene Wilder went on
to have a very nice career
1078
00:51:07,041 --> 00:51:09,916
as a writer-director.
1079
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,458
I hada comedy scene
1080
00:51:11,541 --> 00:51:13,333
at the beginningof filming Sherlock
1081
00:51:13,416 --> 00:51:15,916
that was one of my favorites.
1082
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,375
I'm waiting to seeLord Redcliff in his study.
1083
00:51:20,458 --> 00:51:22,416
There's a temptingbox of chocolates
1084
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:26,208
sitting open on his deskand melting in the sun,
1085
00:51:26,291 --> 00:51:29,416
so I decide to stealjust one tiny piece.
1086
00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:36,541
The crew washolding back laughter,
1087
00:51:36,625 --> 00:51:39,041
but all I was tryingto do as an actor
1088
00:51:39,125 --> 00:51:42,666
was to act as normallyas I possibly could.
1089
00:51:42,750 --> 00:51:45,541
It was the same lesson I'dlearned from Charlie Chaplin
1090
00:51:45,625 --> 00:51:47,416
when I saw The Circus.
1091
00:51:51,208 --> 00:51:54,708
If the physical thingyou're doing is funny,
1092
00:51:54,791 --> 00:51:57,916
you don't haveto act funny while doing it.
1093
00:51:59,208 --> 00:52:02,125
Just be realand it will be funnier.
1094
00:52:02,208 --> 00:52:03,833
The acting lessonfrom this film
1095
00:52:03,916 --> 00:52:05,416
seemed so simple,
1096
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,916
yet it inspired mefor the rest of my career.
1097
00:52:11,625 --> 00:52:13,291
When I was 23,
1098
00:52:13,375 --> 00:52:16,666
I was miraculously
nominated for Best Actress
1099
00:52:16,750 --> 00:52:21,791
for a movie called
Hester Street.
1100
00:52:21,875 --> 00:52:26,500
The phone didn't ring
for a solid year after that.
1101
00:52:26,583 --> 00:52:29,958
And the first call
I got about work
1102
00:52:30,041 --> 00:52:34,333
was Gene calling about
The World's Greatest Lover.
1103
00:52:34,416 --> 00:52:38,458
I had never in my life
done a comedy.
1104
00:52:38,541 --> 00:52:43,833
Why would Gene Wilder be calling
for me to be in a comedy?
1105
00:52:43,916 --> 00:52:46,958
You get
some insight into Gene
1106
00:52:47,041 --> 00:52:48,833
that he casts Carol Kane.
1107
00:52:48,916 --> 00:52:50,708
This was not a comedy actress.
1108
00:52:50,791 --> 00:52:52,458
He had the sense--
he knew people.
1109
00:52:52,541 --> 00:52:55,250
I mean, Carol Kane comes off
this Oscar nomination
1110
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:56,875
for a dramatic role,
and he thinks,
1111
00:52:56,958 --> 00:52:58,833
"No, funny--she's funny."
1112
00:52:58,916 --> 00:52:59,916
And now we know,
1113
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,625
now there's 40-plus
years of evidence
1114
00:53:02,708 --> 00:53:03,916
that Carol Kane is funny.
1115
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,208
But, you know,
Gene recognized it.
1116
00:53:07,291 --> 00:53:11,750
It was abouta baker from Milwaukee in 1927
1117
00:53:11,833 --> 00:53:14,750
who wants to try outfor a big Hollywood contest
1118
00:53:14,833 --> 00:53:18,208
to find the nextRudolph Valentino.
1119
00:53:18,291 --> 00:53:20,458
He takes his wife to Hollywood.
1120
00:53:21,916 --> 00:53:24,666
I will win that screen test,
1121
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:27,250
not because I'm
the best actor in the world,
1122
00:53:27,333 --> 00:53:29,791
not because I'm
the sexiest man in the world,
1123
00:53:29,875 --> 00:53:32,375
not because I'm the most
handsome man in the world,
1124
00:53:32,458 --> 00:53:36,166
but because I am unique!
1125
00:53:37,916 --> 00:53:40,916
♪ You oughtto be in pictures ♪
1126
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,083
♪ You're wonderful to see ♪
1127
00:53:44,166 --> 00:53:46,375
♪ You ought to be in pictures ♪
1128
00:53:46,458 --> 00:53:50,208
♪ Oh, what a hityou would be ♪♪
1129
00:53:52,750 --> 00:53:55,250
For someone just beginning
1130
00:53:55,333 --> 00:53:59,583
as a director-writer-
producer-star,
1131
00:53:59,666 --> 00:54:06,250
Gene was very calm
and confident and happy.
1132
00:54:07,833 --> 00:54:12,166
When you write,
direct, and act in a movie,
1133
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:15,666
there are three ways
they can kill you.
1134
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:19,416
And if they wanna kill you,
they go for all three.
1135
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:23,833
Gene was able to exert
his own artistic vision.
1136
00:54:23,916 --> 00:54:26,333
I'm ready!
1137
00:54:29,916 --> 00:54:31,666
The World's Greatest Lover
1138
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:37,083
is a big love letter
to movies, Hollywood,
1139
00:54:37,166 --> 00:54:40,000
all his idols.
1140
00:54:40,083 --> 00:54:41,916
Chaplin.
1141
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,083
Busby Berkeley.
1142
00:54:43,166 --> 00:54:44,416
♪ We're in the money ♪♪
1143
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:45,625
Laurel and Hardy
1144
00:54:45,708 --> 00:54:49,583
and these classic comedy bits.
1145
00:54:49,666 --> 00:54:53,375
The way Gene shot the movie,
1146
00:54:53,458 --> 00:54:56,916
extreme close-ups
frequently of the eyes,
1147
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,083
to let the eyes do the talking,
1148
00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:02,625
as they did
in the silent-movie era.
1149
00:55:04,583 --> 00:55:08,708
He manages
to convey hurt and longing
1150
00:55:08,791 --> 00:55:11,250
and fear and anger
in those eyes
1151
00:55:11,333 --> 00:55:13,708
without speaking a line.
1152
00:55:13,791 --> 00:55:17,000
Gene Wilder would have been
a great silent actor.
1153
00:55:17,083 --> 00:55:19,625
No surprise that
he chose to make a film
1154
00:55:19,708 --> 00:55:23,333
that salutes silent Hollywood.
1155
00:55:23,416 --> 00:55:26,041
The lighting
and the costumes and the makeup
1156
00:55:26,125 --> 00:55:29,458
is so evocative of that time.
1157
00:55:32,708 --> 00:55:36,208
That obviously
appealed to Gene a lot.
1158
00:55:39,958 --> 00:55:43,000
I love Gene's choice
of acting roles.
1159
00:55:44,208 --> 00:55:45,750
It's totally eclectic.
1160
00:55:45,833 --> 00:55:48,250
He did what he wanted to do.
1161
00:55:48,333 --> 00:55:50,041
What spoke to him,
what he loved,
1162
00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:52,875
he just did it.
1163
00:55:52,958 --> 00:55:55,000
It was called
The Frisco Kid.
1164
00:55:59,791 --> 00:56:01,875
A film abouta Polish rabbi…
1165
00:56:01,958 --> 00:56:03,125
America.
1166
00:56:03,208 --> 00:56:04,625
…who comesto America
1167
00:56:04,708 --> 00:56:06,250
at the time of the gold rush…
1168
00:56:06,333 --> 00:56:07,208
Oy!
1169
00:56:07,291 --> 00:56:10,375
…and becomesbest friends with a bank robber
1170
00:56:10,458 --> 00:56:12,958
and is captured by Indians.
1171
00:56:13,041 --> 00:56:15,125
Yes or no:
Can your god make rain?
1172
00:56:15,208 --> 00:56:16,708
He doesn't make rain!
1173
00:56:16,791 --> 00:56:19,791
The rabbiand the chief form a friendship
1174
00:56:19,875 --> 00:56:21,833
discussing the Jewish god.
1175
00:56:21,916 --> 00:56:24,208
…around blindly like
little mice in the darkness,
1176
00:56:24,291 --> 00:56:27,458
but He does not make rain!
1177
00:56:35,625 --> 00:56:39,666
Of course, sometimes,
just like that,
1178
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:41,583
He'll change His mind.
1179
00:56:47,416 --> 00:56:49,083
The Frisco Kid
came closer
1180
00:56:49,166 --> 00:56:52,916
to what I am in lifethan anything else.
1181
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:57,333
We were nevera particularly religious family
1182
00:56:57,416 --> 00:56:58,791
when I was growing up
1183
00:56:58,875 --> 00:57:01,291
in the sense of prayersat home or rituals,
1184
00:57:01,375 --> 00:57:03,000
other than goingto my grandparents'
1185
00:57:03,083 --> 00:57:05,291
for a meal on Passover,
1186
00:57:05,375 --> 00:57:08,250
and going to the synagogueon the High Holidays.
1187
00:57:10,541 --> 00:57:12,875
Gene's grandfather
1188
00:57:12,958 --> 00:57:15,333
was president
of his old synagogue,
1189
00:57:15,416 --> 00:57:19,291
which was an old,
little small Orthodox synagogue
1190
00:57:19,375 --> 00:57:21,416
in the old Jewish neighborhood.
1191
00:57:23,791 --> 00:57:26,666
We had strong feelings
about Judaism.
1192
00:57:28,083 --> 00:57:31,291
I would say Gene was spiritual.
1193
00:57:33,416 --> 00:57:34,583
There's my mother in me,
1194
00:57:34,666 --> 00:57:36,291
and there's my father in me.
1195
00:57:37,458 --> 00:57:39,083
There was a certain innocence
1196
00:57:39,166 --> 00:57:41,041
about the way I acted onscreen.
1197
00:57:41,125 --> 00:57:43,875
I must have inherited itfrom my father.
1198
00:57:43,958 --> 00:57:45,250
My father was born in Russia
1199
00:57:45,333 --> 00:57:48,166
but came to Milwaukeewith his family when he was 11.
1200
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:51,166
He wasn't dumb,but he was very innocent.
1201
00:58:08,625 --> 00:58:12,083
Dost thou speak English?
1202
00:58:14,416 --> 00:58:17,208
Dost thou
1203
00:58:17,291 --> 00:58:19,708
speak Eng--
1204
00:58:21,875 --> 00:58:24,625
Oy--oy gevalt!
1205
00:58:28,083 --> 00:58:31,916
The wonderfulRobert Aldrich was directing,
1206
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,500
and Mace Neufeldwas the producer,
1207
00:58:35,583 --> 00:58:38,666
but we still hadto find a co-star.
1208
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:40,333
When we started to do the film,
1209
00:58:40,416 --> 00:58:43,291
we were gonna use John Wayne.
1210
00:58:43,375 --> 00:58:46,583
And he was all excited
about joining the project.
1211
00:58:46,666 --> 00:58:48,000
I was so happy,
1212
00:58:48,083 --> 00:58:50,500
and one of the executives
got the bright idea
1213
00:58:50,583 --> 00:58:53,375
of going out
to Long Beach, California,
1214
00:58:53,458 --> 00:58:55,208
where John Wayne lived,
1215
00:58:55,291 --> 00:58:59,208
and tried to
knock him down $250,000.
1216
00:58:59,291 --> 00:59:01,333
And he said,
"Forget the whole thing."
1217
00:59:01,416 --> 00:59:03,708
He was out.
1218
00:59:03,708 --> 00:59:05,166
I was askedto look at the work
1219
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:07,166
of an up-and-comingyoung actor
1220
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:09,541
by the name of Harrison Ford.
1221
00:59:09,625 --> 00:59:11,875
I thought Harrison was charming
1222
00:59:11,958 --> 00:59:14,791
and might possibly getsomewhere in the business.
1223
00:59:14,875 --> 00:59:16,708
What do you call this,
in Jewish?
1224
00:59:16,791 --> 00:59:19,625
A--a tuchus.
1225
00:59:19,708 --> 00:59:22,125
Well, you keep your eyes
on this too-kas
1226
00:59:22,208 --> 00:59:24,166
and don't take 'em off
till I tell ya.
1227
00:59:24,250 --> 00:59:26,000
Harrison was super popular,
1228
00:59:26,083 --> 00:59:28,500
and everybody was
crazy about him,
1229
00:59:28,583 --> 00:59:30,875
but Gene was different.
1230
00:59:30,958 --> 00:59:33,166
Gene Wilder was
one of my heroes.
1231
00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:36,333
He was smart,
he was funny, he was kind.
1232
00:59:36,416 --> 00:59:39,250
He made me feel very special.
1233
00:59:39,333 --> 00:59:40,958
I was 14 years old,
1234
00:59:41,041 --> 00:59:44,208
and my father said
that I was okay
1235
00:59:44,291 --> 00:59:48,291
to actually be in the movie.
1236
00:59:48,375 --> 00:59:49,875
So they made me up,
1237
00:59:49,958 --> 00:59:51,625
probably inappropriately,
1238
00:59:51,708 --> 00:59:55,625
and I was the Jewish Indian.
1239
00:59:55,708 --> 00:59:59,166
I remember feeling
very excited but very nervous
1240
00:59:59,250 --> 01:00:01,291
to be on the set.
1241
01:00:01,375 --> 01:00:02,458
Everybody dance!
1242
01:00:02,541 --> 01:00:04,333
So he's teaching the Indians
1243
01:00:04,416 --> 01:00:05,750
Jewish dancing.
1244
01:00:05,833 --> 01:00:07,375
That's good
with the hands.
1245
01:00:07,458 --> 01:00:08,541
Watch that lady!
1246
01:00:08,625 --> 01:00:11,500
I think that lady's
a Jewish Indian.
1247
01:00:11,583 --> 01:00:13,708
Gene had taken peyote,
1248
01:00:13,791 --> 01:00:14,958
but he doesn't know that.
1249
01:00:15,041 --> 01:00:17,333
♪ Now we do a jump,a little bit of jump ♪
1250
01:00:17,416 --> 01:00:19,041
He isfeeling the effects
1251
01:00:19,125 --> 01:00:19,958
of the drug.
1252
01:00:20,041 --> 01:00:21,000
♪ One, two, three ♪
1253
01:00:22,666 --> 01:00:25,791
And he passes out.
1254
01:00:25,875 --> 01:00:27,375
And I look at him and I go…
1255
01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:30,916
So, that's my big role
in the movie.
1256
01:00:32,875 --> 01:00:36,458
Now we had
Harrison Ford and Gene Wilder,
1257
01:00:36,541 --> 01:00:38,958
and Gene Wilder carried
the comedy in the movie.
1258
01:00:39,041 --> 01:00:41,000
Don't wake me
in the mornin'.
1259
01:00:42,833 --> 01:00:46,666
I'll try to be
as quiet as possible!
1260
01:00:46,750 --> 01:00:49,583
One example of Gene's
connection to Judaism
1261
01:00:49,666 --> 01:00:52,875
is that Gene and Harrison Ford
1262
01:00:52,958 --> 01:00:55,083
are trying to get away
from the bad guys.
1263
01:00:55,166 --> 01:00:56,541
What the hell are you doin'?
1264
01:00:57,458 --> 01:00:59,375
I don't ride today.
1265
01:00:59,458 --> 01:01:01,333
And it's the Sabbath.
1266
01:01:01,416 --> 01:01:03,208
You can't ride on the Sabbath.
1267
01:01:03,291 --> 01:01:07,125
Gene says, "We have
to wait for the sun to set."
1268
01:01:07,208 --> 01:01:08,541
Not yet!
1269
01:01:09,791 --> 01:01:11,041
Now!
1270
01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:17,583
And as soon as the sun set…
1271
01:01:17,666 --> 01:01:19,041
- Now!
- …off they go.
1272
01:01:19,125 --> 01:01:20,166
Thank God.
1273
01:01:20,250 --> 01:01:22,625
Longest damned day of my life.
1274
01:01:24,708 --> 01:01:26,375
I'll neverbe as good in drama
1275
01:01:26,458 --> 01:01:27,833
as I am in comedy.
1276
01:01:27,916 --> 01:01:30,708
Oy!
1277
01:01:30,791 --> 01:01:32,291
But whenI'm acting,
1278
01:01:32,375 --> 01:01:33,916
I want to be really funny
1279
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,583
and part vulnerable.
1280
01:01:36,666 --> 01:01:40,583
Hey, we are doing this
to keep warm, aren't we?
1281
01:01:40,666 --> 01:01:42,416
Uh-huh.
1282
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:45,666
In that case, you can
put your arms around me.
1283
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:47,750
That's whatI like the best.
1284
01:01:53,916 --> 01:01:55,208
I'm not a good actor;
1285
01:01:55,291 --> 01:01:57,666
I'm a good reactor.
1286
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:58,833
Something happens.
1287
01:01:58,916 --> 01:02:02,291
That's why Richard and I
are so good together.
1288
01:02:08,333 --> 01:02:11,125
Richard Pryor and Imet in Calgary, Canada,
1289
01:02:11,208 --> 01:02:15,291
as we were bothchecking in at the hotel.
1290
01:02:15,375 --> 01:02:18,125
The next morning,we did our first short scene
1291
01:02:18,208 --> 01:02:21,125
in the film Silver Streak.
1292
01:02:22,416 --> 01:02:24,958
There were police carsand helicopters and guns
1293
01:02:25,041 --> 01:02:26,250
all around us.
1294
01:02:26,333 --> 01:02:28,125
Argh! Shit!
1295
01:02:28,208 --> 01:02:29,375
Take it easy, killer.
1296
01:02:29,458 --> 01:02:30,625
What are you doing here?
1297
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:34,916
When Richard and I
did our first scene,
1298
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,791
some magic happened,
what they call chemistry.
1299
01:02:39,875 --> 01:02:41,875
I would answer him,
back and forth, back and forth,
1300
01:02:41,958 --> 01:02:45,458
and we were on
such a similar wavelength.
1301
01:02:45,541 --> 01:02:47,916
No thinking,
just spontaneous reaction.
1302
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,166
Who's in charge here?
1303
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:50,416
Would you get down?
1304
01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:55,291
That wasthe start
1305
01:02:55,375 --> 01:02:58,750
of our improvisatoryrelationship on film.
1306
01:03:00,791 --> 01:03:02,083
My dad couldn't read very well.
1307
01:03:02,166 --> 01:03:04,333
He was dyslexic a little bit.
1308
01:03:04,416 --> 01:03:08,916
So a lot of his education
came from the feel of something.
1309
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,041
Richard's wayalways has an emotional
1310
01:03:11,125 --> 01:03:14,166
rather than intellectual base.
1311
01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:17,500
In this regard,Richard was my teacher.
1312
01:03:22,833 --> 01:03:24,833
-What are you doing?
-I'm gettin' bad.
1313
01:03:24,916 --> 01:03:26,916
Better get bad, Jack,
'cause if you ain't bad,
1314
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,833
you gonna get fucked.
1315
01:03:28,916 --> 01:03:30,541
You're bad,
they don't mess with ya.
1316
01:03:30,625 --> 01:03:32,375
Words keptcoming out of my mouth
1317
01:03:32,458 --> 01:03:34,291
in response to thingsthat Richard was saying.
1318
01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:35,750
-Get down!
-Hey!
1319
01:03:35,833 --> 01:03:37,458
Things thatweren't in the script.
1320
01:03:37,541 --> 01:03:39,500
You a little too bad, ain't ya?
1321
01:03:39,583 --> 01:03:41,041
My dad knew undeniably
1322
01:03:41,125 --> 01:03:43,375
there was a magic between them.
1323
01:03:43,458 --> 01:03:47,791
That's right, that's right,
we bad, uh-huh, that's right.
1324
01:03:47,875 --> 01:03:50,291
Together, it was like
explosive on the screen.
1325
01:03:50,375 --> 01:03:51,583
Hi-ya!
1326
01:03:51,666 --> 01:03:53,083
I don't
know what makes
1327
01:03:53,166 --> 01:03:56,000
a great comedy duo.
1328
01:03:56,083 --> 01:03:57,083
They both have to be funny,
1329
01:03:57,166 --> 01:03:58,625
but they have
to work off each other.
1330
01:04:00,875 --> 01:04:03,125
Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor,
1331
01:04:03,208 --> 01:04:04,708
they fuel each other.
1332
01:04:04,791 --> 01:04:08,791
And their improvs
made them both better.
1333
01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:10,833
The director,Sidney Poitier,
1334
01:04:10,916 --> 01:04:12,916
wanted the scriptrewritten to accommodate
1335
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,833
the particular talentsof his two stars.
1336
01:04:16,916 --> 01:04:20,166
Then he said,"I want you both to fly."
1337
01:04:20,250 --> 01:04:22,458
Please! He's sick,
he's--he's havin' a fit.
1338
01:04:22,541 --> 01:04:24,041
See, he don't have
his tooth pills.
1339
01:04:24,125 --> 01:04:25,000
He's got--see?
1340
01:04:25,083 --> 01:04:26,541
And we did fly.
1341
01:04:26,625 --> 01:04:27,750
Harry.
1342
01:04:27,833 --> 01:04:29,041
Harry, for God's sake.
1343
01:04:29,125 --> 01:04:31,041
-Argh!
-You're gonna get us in trouble.
1344
01:04:31,125 --> 01:04:32,625
They're
wild together.
1345
01:04:32,708 --> 01:04:33,916
Your crew is laughing.
1346
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,333
Harry, here, come here.
1347
01:04:35,416 --> 01:04:38,666
They weren't afraid
to be silly,
1348
01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:40,125
and it comes out genius.
1349
01:04:40,208 --> 01:04:42,500
All right, you two.
1350
01:04:42,583 --> 01:04:44,916
Up and at 'em!
1351
01:04:51,958 --> 01:04:56,083
Argh! I can't feel
nothin' in my leg!
1352
01:04:56,166 --> 01:04:58,208
Richard and Iwere certainly silly together,
1353
01:04:58,291 --> 01:05:00,458
at least on film.
1354
01:05:00,541 --> 01:05:02,083
But as closeas we were on film,
1355
01:05:02,166 --> 01:05:04,625
it didn't carry overto our private lives.
1356
01:05:04,708 --> 01:05:06,541
When the camera
was off, that was it.
1357
01:05:09,333 --> 01:05:10,791
And that's kind of
how they were,
1358
01:05:10,875 --> 01:05:12,250
and I understand that.
1359
01:05:12,333 --> 01:05:14,291
I mean, they were
two polar opposites.
1360
01:05:14,375 --> 01:05:15,875
Gene, when you were
doing those movies
1361
01:05:15,958 --> 01:05:17,041
with Richard Pryor,
1362
01:05:17,125 --> 01:05:20,500
did his drug usage ever
get in the way of the film?
1363
01:05:20,583 --> 01:05:22,125
I got to know Richard
1364
01:05:22,208 --> 01:05:24,250
and I got to love him,
1365
01:05:24,333 --> 01:05:28,125
and he was going
through a difficult period.
1366
01:05:28,208 --> 01:05:31,458
But I never talked
to him about that.
1367
01:05:31,541 --> 01:05:33,625
Whatever it was
that he was going through,
1368
01:05:33,708 --> 01:05:38,083
he quieted it with his
drugs and alcohols and women.
1369
01:05:38,166 --> 01:05:41,000
It was almost like
self-sabotaging,
1370
01:05:41,083 --> 01:05:43,666
you know, to not
show up on time to set.
1371
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,708
But when they came together,
1372
01:05:48,791 --> 01:05:51,250
a black-and-white duo team,
1373
01:05:51,333 --> 01:05:54,083
creating this laughter together,
1374
01:05:54,166 --> 01:05:57,666
that, to me,
is what comedy is about.
1375
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:59,750
You can't deny that's magic.
1376
01:06:01,416 --> 01:06:03,291
You're doing all right,
you're getting the hang of it.
1377
01:06:03,375 --> 01:06:04,958
My nextmovie project was
1378
01:06:05,041 --> 01:06:08,916
a comedy-mysterycalled Hanky Panky,
1379
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,916
with Sidney Poitier directing.
1380
01:06:12,708 --> 01:06:14,958
Lots of female starssaid they would do the movie,
1381
01:06:15,041 --> 01:06:17,708
but Sidney cast Gilda Radner.
1382
01:06:19,541 --> 01:06:22,125
The day Gilda and I met,
1383
01:06:22,208 --> 01:06:24,375
I was in my makeupand dressed in a tuxedo
1384
01:06:24,458 --> 01:06:27,375
when I walked up to herto say hello.
1385
01:06:27,458 --> 01:06:29,208
Stay here, I'll be right back.
1386
01:06:29,291 --> 01:06:32,041
Your co-star
in this is Gilda Radner.
1387
01:06:32,125 --> 01:06:34,291
Isn't she wonderful?
1388
01:06:34,375 --> 01:06:35,625
Why are you smiling?
1389
01:06:35,708 --> 01:06:38,000
'Cause you wanna know
what I think of her,
1390
01:06:38,083 --> 01:06:40,333
it'd be more
than wonderful, yes.
1391
01:06:42,375 --> 01:06:46,291
When Gilda went
to do the movie Hanky Panky,
1392
01:06:46,375 --> 01:06:49,916
she was having difficulty
in the marriage that she was in.
1393
01:06:51,458 --> 01:06:53,708
So when she told me
that she's becoming
1394
01:06:53,791 --> 01:06:56,875
very friendly with Gene Wilder,
1395
01:06:56,958 --> 01:07:00,791
very friendly,
I'm going, "All right."
1396
01:07:00,875 --> 01:07:02,583
That was a euphemism for,
1397
01:07:02,666 --> 01:07:05,291
"I'm gonna end up
with Gene Wilder."
1398
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:15,166
He had
a mesmerizing stare.
1399
01:07:16,875 --> 01:07:19,083
And those eyes,
those blue--
1400
01:07:19,166 --> 01:07:21,916
I mean, I could see why
Gilda fell in love with him.
1401
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,541
Gilda was like 14-ish
when her dad died.
1402
01:07:27,125 --> 01:07:28,750
Gene was one-stop shopping.
1403
01:07:28,833 --> 01:07:31,708
He was older,
1404
01:07:31,791 --> 01:07:35,416
so there was the dad thing.
1405
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:39,125
He already had his own career.
1406
01:07:39,208 --> 01:07:41,625
And she was grateful for it.
1407
01:07:44,041 --> 01:07:45,666
Gilda wasthe most generous
1408
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:47,666
and compassionateand original person
1409
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:49,458
I had ever met.
1410
01:07:49,541 --> 01:07:51,333
It was wonderfulto be with Gilda,
1411
01:07:51,416 --> 01:07:53,166
most of the time.
1412
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:57,291
She was so strong-willedand yet so fragile.
1413
01:07:57,375 --> 01:07:59,500
When Gilda met Gene,
1414
01:07:59,583 --> 01:08:01,750
she had a world of problems.
1415
01:08:01,833 --> 01:08:03,291
She drank too much.
1416
01:08:03,375 --> 01:08:05,708
She was a bulimic.
1417
01:08:05,791 --> 01:08:09,000
And Gene sent her
to a battery of doctors
1418
01:08:09,083 --> 01:08:12,666
to redo her,
to fix her,
1419
01:08:12,750 --> 01:08:14,875
and rehabilitates her,
to a degree.
1420
01:08:19,875 --> 01:08:21,625
We wereliving in Los Angeles,
1421
01:08:21,708 --> 01:08:25,208
having just finished filming
The Woman in Red.
1422
01:08:25,291 --> 01:08:29,125
Seeing Gilda looking strongand healthy and so happy,
1423
01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:33,958
I thought, "Maybe thingsbetween us can work."
1424
01:08:34,041 --> 01:08:35,583
If I found
a restaurant
1425
01:08:35,666 --> 01:08:37,083
that was interesting,
1426
01:08:37,166 --> 01:08:39,708
I'd always call him
and say, "Let's go here."
1427
01:08:39,791 --> 01:08:41,625
And he'd take Gilda,
1428
01:08:41,708 --> 01:08:42,666
who loved my wife, Anne,
1429
01:08:42,750 --> 01:08:46,000
and Anne loved Gilda,
so it was perfect.
1430
01:08:46,083 --> 01:08:49,166
We were best friends,
it was wonderful.
1431
01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:51,416
Gilda
was different.
1432
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:53,250
She said, "I'm not
a perfect woman
1433
01:08:53,333 --> 01:08:55,125
that you've been searching
for all your life.
1434
01:08:55,208 --> 01:08:57,875
I'm just little,
imperfect Gilda.
1435
01:08:57,958 --> 01:09:01,583
And if that's what you want,
a real love,
1436
01:09:01,666 --> 01:09:05,291
I'm your best bet."
1437
01:09:05,375 --> 01:09:09,333
We were marriedon September 18th, 1984.
1438
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,333
She was 38 years old.
1439
01:09:14,416 --> 01:09:16,166
Now she wanted a baby.
1440
01:09:16,250 --> 01:09:18,500
Desperately, of course.
1441
01:09:20,583 --> 01:09:23,916
Just when it stops
before you go away again.
1442
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,416
Meanwhile,I was making a new movie,
1443
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:28,666
Haunted Honeymoon.
1444
01:09:28,750 --> 01:09:32,708
It's always much easier
to kiss someone in a movie
1445
01:09:32,791 --> 01:09:35,166
that you kiss all the time.
1446
01:09:35,250 --> 01:09:37,791
'Cause it's familiar territory!
1447
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:42,541
Gilda found out
that she was pregnant
1448
01:09:42,625 --> 01:09:45,500
and was thrilled beyond belief.
1449
01:09:45,583 --> 01:09:48,458
She went in for an exam
1450
01:09:48,541 --> 01:09:51,625
and found out it was
an ectopic pregnancy,
1451
01:09:51,708 --> 01:09:54,333
and it was devastating.
1452
01:09:54,416 --> 01:09:57,875
Everything was devastating.
1453
01:09:57,958 --> 01:10:00,666
A couple months
after the surgery,
1454
01:10:00,750 --> 01:10:07,500
that's when they realized
that she had ovarian cancer.
1455
01:10:07,583 --> 01:10:09,583
Gilda grabbedmy face in her hands
1456
01:10:09,666 --> 01:10:11,000
and sobbed.
1457
01:10:11,083 --> 01:10:13,708
"No more bad news,no more bad news.
1458
01:10:13,791 --> 01:10:16,125
I don't wantany more bad news."
1459
01:10:22,458 --> 01:10:24,916
There's something mythological
1460
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,500
about somebody going
through all of this,
1461
01:10:27,583 --> 01:10:30,750
finding the love
of their lives,
1462
01:10:30,833 --> 01:10:34,208
and then, God saying, "Ha.
1463
01:10:34,291 --> 01:10:37,666
You're not gonna enjoy this."
1464
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:40,125
She was on
such a beautiful path
1465
01:10:40,208 --> 01:10:42,083
and beautiful life.
1466
01:10:42,166 --> 01:10:43,708
Everything that
she ever dreamt of
1467
01:10:43,791 --> 01:10:44,916
was happening,
1468
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,083
and then,
this was like a bomb
1469
01:10:47,166 --> 01:10:49,125
that fell in her lap.
1470
01:10:50,583 --> 01:10:53,000
Between herchemotherapy treatments,
1471
01:10:53,083 --> 01:10:54,583
Gilda would come homeand try to lead
1472
01:10:54,666 --> 01:10:56,458
as normal a life as possible,
1473
01:10:56,541 --> 01:10:58,791
but the first few dayswere always exhausting
1474
01:10:58,875 --> 01:11:02,791
because she wasso hyped-up from steroids.
1475
01:11:02,875 --> 01:11:05,166
I remember,
we were out once,
1476
01:11:05,250 --> 01:11:06,291
I said, "How you doing?"
1477
01:11:06,375 --> 01:11:08,250
And she said,
"I'm doing the best I can,
1478
01:11:08,333 --> 01:11:10,000
but, poor Gene.
1479
01:11:10,083 --> 01:11:12,625
You have no idea what
I'm putting that guy through."
1480
01:11:14,083 --> 01:11:16,583
It was unfortunate he had
to be put to that test,
1481
01:11:16,666 --> 01:11:19,333
but he was terrific.
1482
01:11:19,416 --> 01:11:21,416
She made herself
very public when she was sick.
1483
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:23,958
She was on the cover
of Life magazine.
1484
01:11:24,041 --> 01:11:25,583
She did a thousand interviews.
1485
01:11:25,666 --> 01:11:27,208
She went on Letterman
1486
01:11:27,291 --> 01:11:29,666
and on a show
I co-created called
1487
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:31,375
It's Garry Shandling's Show.
1488
01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:34,208
Gene was very supportive
of her coming on.
1489
01:11:35,666 --> 01:11:38,250
When she got cancer,
1490
01:11:38,333 --> 01:11:41,208
I never thought
that she would die from it.
1491
01:11:41,291 --> 01:11:42,875
I thought she'd lick it.
1492
01:11:44,458 --> 01:11:47,833
I was stupid, 'cause
everyone else seemed to know
1493
01:11:47,916 --> 01:11:49,416
but I didn't.
1494
01:11:55,708 --> 01:11:58,375
She was 43 years oldwhen she died.
1495
01:12:00,083 --> 01:12:04,125
I buried her in frontof a tall white ash tree
1496
01:12:04,208 --> 01:12:06,833
three miles fromher home in Connecticut.
1497
01:12:08,583 --> 01:12:10,166
I used to worryall my early life
1498
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:13,333
about being good enoughto please God.
1499
01:12:13,416 --> 01:12:16,000
Gilda didn't thinkabout those things.
1500
01:12:16,083 --> 01:12:18,583
She was just naturally good.
1501
01:12:18,666 --> 01:12:21,375
I don't want to bea better person than Gilda.
1502
01:12:21,458 --> 01:12:23,250
She was just human,
1503
01:12:23,333 --> 01:12:26,291
and that's all I want to be,just human.
1504
01:12:34,166 --> 01:12:36,000
In our bedroomin Connecticut,
1505
01:12:36,083 --> 01:12:39,291
for the sake ofmy psychological health,
1506
01:12:39,375 --> 01:12:43,958
I was rewriting a comedyfor me and Richard Pryor.
1507
01:12:44,041 --> 01:12:46,041
It sounds oxymoronic,
1508
01:12:46,125 --> 01:12:49,291
but absurdity wasa familiar guest now.
1509
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:54,666
I had done research
1510
01:12:54,750 --> 01:12:56,750
at the Braille Institutein Los Angeles
1511
01:12:56,833 --> 01:13:01,166
which gave me confidencein writing Richard's part.
1512
01:13:01,250 --> 01:13:04,291
I needed to know about peoplewho were profoundly deaf,
1513
01:13:04,375 --> 01:13:06,958
which was the case withthe character I was to play.
1514
01:13:09,416 --> 01:13:11,125
So I went to see this lady
1515
01:13:11,208 --> 01:13:13,416
at the New York League
for the Hard of Hearing.
1516
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:16,666
They told me
her name was "Ms. Webb."
1517
01:13:16,750 --> 01:13:19,166
I said, "Oh my God, my luck,
1518
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:21,666
some New England old biddy
is gonna say,
1519
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:23,583
'You're making fun
of the blind and the deaf!'"
1520
01:13:23,666 --> 01:13:25,416
So I just thought,
1521
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:28,166
I'll meet him
just like a regular person.
1522
01:13:28,250 --> 01:13:30,625
And he wasn't a regular person.
1523
01:13:30,708 --> 01:13:32,125
He was gorgeous!
1524
01:13:35,958 --> 01:13:40,291
He was very interested
in getting his character right.
1525
01:13:41,541 --> 01:13:43,000
He came to class and he saw
1526
01:13:43,083 --> 01:13:45,083
how people learned
how to lip-read.
1527
01:13:45,166 --> 01:13:46,041
Bath.
1528
01:13:46,125 --> 01:13:47,916
And he'd ask them a question,
1529
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,750
like, "Does everybody say,
'What are you, fuckin' deaf?'"
1530
01:13:50,833 --> 01:13:52,916
And they'd say, "All the time."
1531
01:13:54,916 --> 01:13:56,833
And that line is in the movie.
1532
01:13:56,916 --> 01:13:59,416
What are you,
fuckin' deaf? Move!
1533
01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:00,583
Get out of the way!
1534
01:14:00,666 --> 01:14:02,416
And then
I would take little plugs
1535
01:14:02,500 --> 01:14:03,958
and put them in my ears
so I could walk
1536
01:14:04,041 --> 01:14:05,958
through the streets of New York,
and it cut out
1537
01:14:06,041 --> 01:14:08,125
about 65 percent of sound.
1538
01:14:08,208 --> 01:14:11,291
-Ya dumb idiot!
-You're a dumb idiot!
1539
01:14:11,375 --> 01:14:12,916
You talkin' to me?
1540
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,416
See No Evil,Hear No Evil
1541
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:15,666
was a big deal for Daddy
1542
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:19,708
because it was
two and half years into
1543
01:14:19,791 --> 01:14:23,291
his multiple sclerosis
diagnosis.
1544
01:14:23,375 --> 01:14:25,625
He needed something
for him to show
1545
01:14:25,708 --> 01:14:29,291
he could still do what he does.
1546
01:14:29,375 --> 01:14:30,875
Dad was definitely
very authentic,
1547
01:14:30,958 --> 01:14:33,083
because he was going
through all those things.
1548
01:14:33,166 --> 01:14:34,916
He was having trouble.
1549
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,625
He--he was that blind man…
1550
01:14:37,708 --> 01:14:38,916
I'm blind.
1551
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,583
…who lost
his eyesight.
1552
01:14:40,666 --> 01:14:42,083
You're blind?
1553
01:14:42,166 --> 01:14:44,125
Yes, I'm blind.
Now can I have the job?
1554
01:14:44,208 --> 01:14:49,500
So, everything was authentic
for him in that moment.
1555
01:14:49,583 --> 01:14:51,583
And we
were very conscious
1556
01:14:51,666 --> 01:14:53,083
of the fact
that we were doing
1557
01:14:53,166 --> 01:14:56,250
a film about people
with a disability.
1558
01:14:57,666 --> 01:15:00,708
We worked very diligently
1559
01:15:00,791 --> 01:15:03,583
at not offending people.
1560
01:15:03,666 --> 01:15:06,583
I had no idea, I'm sorry.
1561
01:15:06,666 --> 01:15:09,500
Now you know.
Can I get the job?
1562
01:15:10,583 --> 01:15:12,291
You're really blind?
1563
01:15:12,375 --> 01:15:13,541
Yes. I'm really blind, man!
1564
01:15:13,625 --> 01:15:15,250
What are you, fuckin' deaf?
1565
01:15:15,333 --> 01:15:18,375
Yes! I'm fucking deaf!
1566
01:15:18,458 --> 01:15:19,750
They both were so vulnerable,
1567
01:15:19,833 --> 01:15:22,833
and I think they both wore
their hearts on their sleeve,
1568
01:15:22,916 --> 01:15:25,500
and that's what we see
coming across, you know,
1569
01:15:25,583 --> 01:15:28,458
on the camera,
is this real love.
1570
01:15:28,541 --> 01:15:32,208
I got to be on set
and watch the process
1571
01:15:32,291 --> 01:15:34,708
of them work together,
1572
01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:38,583
and the kindness
that I saw Gene display
1573
01:15:38,666 --> 01:15:42,750
towards my dad, who was
struggling sometimes physically.
1574
01:15:42,833 --> 01:15:44,083
We have steps coming up, Wally.
1575
01:15:44,166 --> 01:15:45,291
Three steps, and--
1576
01:15:45,375 --> 01:15:48,958
I witnessed
my dad having trouble walking,
1577
01:15:49,041 --> 01:15:50,750
holding on,
and remembering lines
1578
01:15:50,833 --> 01:15:52,791
because of the MS.
1579
01:15:52,875 --> 01:15:56,416
And I loved that,
in a non-obvious way,
1580
01:15:56,500 --> 01:16:00,041
Gene was there for him
to be able to be unsteady
1581
01:16:00,125 --> 01:16:03,208
but not come off
unsteady to us.
1582
01:16:03,291 --> 01:16:06,333
-That's teamwork.
-…go!
1583
01:16:06,416 --> 01:16:07,916
Of allthe pleasurable times
1584
01:16:08,041 --> 01:16:10,166
that Richard and I hadon previous films--
1585
01:16:10,250 --> 01:16:12,000
and there weresome wonderful times,
1586
01:16:12,083 --> 01:16:14,083
despite the difficulties--
1587
01:16:14,166 --> 01:16:16,541
the experience on
See No Evil, Hear No Evil
1588
01:16:16,625 --> 01:16:17,750
was the happiest.
1589
01:16:17,833 --> 01:16:19,666
- What are you doing?
- Richard was sane
1590
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:23,583
and clearheadedand filled with good humor.
1591
01:16:23,666 --> 01:16:25,541
I have a lot of love for you.
1592
01:16:25,625 --> 01:16:26,875
Thank you.
1593
01:16:29,208 --> 01:16:31,250
Ha! Ha-ha!
1594
01:16:31,333 --> 01:16:33,250
People looked forward
to these "buddy" films.
1595
01:16:35,375 --> 01:16:37,875
The formula wasn't
just in the writing;
1596
01:16:37,958 --> 01:16:40,458
the formula was
the two people.
1597
01:16:41,625 --> 01:16:42,500
Here they were,
1598
01:16:42,583 --> 01:16:45,375
from different sides
of racial lines,
1599
01:16:45,458 --> 01:16:49,916
being able to come together
and make us laugh.
1600
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,500
And that's an amazing legacy.
1601
01:17:00,541 --> 01:17:03,041
In Septemberof 1989,
1602
01:17:03,125 --> 01:17:04,333
I got a call from
1603
01:17:04,416 --> 01:17:06,250
the New York Leaguefor the Hard of Hearing
1604
01:17:06,333 --> 01:17:09,291
saying that Ms. Webbwanted to speak to me.
1605
01:17:09,375 --> 01:17:12,208
I called him and said
that I had grant money…
1606
01:17:13,625 --> 01:17:15,208
…to make a videotape
1607
01:17:15,291 --> 01:17:16,625
for people to learn
to speech-read
1608
01:17:16,708 --> 01:17:19,500
so that we could
put them in libraries.
1609
01:17:19,583 --> 01:17:21,583
And he said,
"I'd help you with that."
1610
01:17:22,791 --> 01:17:24,166
We
arranged to meet
1611
01:17:24,250 --> 01:17:26,708
at my favorite Italian
restaurant in Manhattan.
1612
01:17:26,791 --> 01:17:28,916
She set a tape recorder
between us,
1613
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,208
and while we ate,
1614
01:17:30,291 --> 01:17:34,250
Karen posed common problems
for the hearing-impaired.
1615
01:17:34,333 --> 01:17:36,708
The second time we met,
at the same restaurant,
1616
01:17:36,791 --> 01:17:39,166
we worked on improving
the actual language
1617
01:17:39,250 --> 01:17:42,125
that the characters
in each sketch would use.
1618
01:17:42,208 --> 01:17:44,583
The third week, I said,
1619
01:17:44,666 --> 01:17:46,958
"Leave the tape recorder
at home."
1620
01:17:48,750 --> 01:17:50,875
We had our first actual date
1621
01:17:50,958 --> 01:17:54,208
on a beautiful fall evening
in the same restaurant
1622
01:17:54,291 --> 01:17:58,875
at the same corner table.
1623
01:17:58,958 --> 01:18:02,250
He was unique
in that he truly listened.
1624
01:18:02,333 --> 01:18:05,333
He was just
a different kind of person
1625
01:18:05,416 --> 01:18:06,666
than I'd ever met.
1626
01:18:08,166 --> 01:18:09,833
I'd holdKaren's hand.
1627
01:18:09,916 --> 01:18:13,541
To have found someoneat this stage in my life…
1628
01:18:13,625 --> 01:18:15,833
I was in love.
1629
01:18:15,916 --> 01:18:19,041
Now I'll go back
to watercolor painting
1630
01:18:19,125 --> 01:18:22,833
and maybe to acting,
if I get another job,
1631
01:18:22,916 --> 01:18:25,791
and--and I'm gonna get married.
1632
01:18:26,916 --> 01:18:28,083
Are--Is this an announcement?
1633
01:18:28,166 --> 01:18:29,958
Can we--can we--I mean,
is this the first time
1634
01:18:30,041 --> 01:18:31,083
you've mentioned it?
1635
01:18:31,166 --> 01:18:32,791
- Yes, yeah.
- You kiddin' me?
1636
01:18:32,875 --> 01:18:34,500
I was wondering
whether to ask her, and I--
1637
01:18:34,583 --> 01:18:35,583
Looking at you, I decided,
1638
01:18:35,666 --> 01:18:37,541
"I'm going to ask
that girl to marry me."
1639
01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:43,208
On September 8th, 1991,
1640
01:18:43,291 --> 01:18:45,333
Karen and I weremarried in the backyard
1641
01:18:45,416 --> 01:18:48,833
of the home in Connecticutthat Gilda had left me.
1642
01:18:48,916 --> 01:18:52,041
Fate brought us togetherat this exact point
1643
01:18:52,125 --> 01:18:54,458
in both of our lives.
1644
01:18:54,541 --> 01:18:56,666
If I hadn't beenin See No Evil, Hear No Evil,
1645
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:59,416
I would neverhave met "Ms. Webb,"
1646
01:18:59,500 --> 01:19:01,791
and now I'm married to her.
1647
01:19:03,875 --> 01:19:06,375
Gene was
wonderful.
1648
01:19:06,458 --> 01:19:13,375
He was the best husband
I think anybody could ask for.
1649
01:19:13,458 --> 01:19:18,958
To love and be loved
is the best gift in the world.
1650
01:19:19,041 --> 01:19:20,625
And we had that.
1651
01:19:24,750 --> 01:19:27,166
We did watercolors together.
1652
01:19:28,333 --> 01:19:30,458
And we played tennis together.
1653
01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:33,000
And we walked together,
1654
01:19:33,083 --> 01:19:36,291
we played golf together.
1655
01:19:36,375 --> 01:19:39,000
He was the world's
greatest lover,
1656
01:19:39,083 --> 01:19:42,125
and he was my Frisco Kid.
1657
01:19:42,208 --> 01:19:44,166
He truly cared about me.
1658
01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:47,666
He loved my family,
even my grandchildren.
1659
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:50,208
And everybody felt that love.
1660
01:19:53,916 --> 01:19:55,541
We tooktap-dancing lessons
1661
01:19:55,625 --> 01:19:56,875
once a week.
1662
01:19:56,958 --> 01:19:59,875
Karen founda wonderful teacher,
1663
01:19:59,958 --> 01:20:02,000
and here's the amazing thing:
1664
01:20:02,083 --> 01:20:03,541
It felt as exciting as it did
1665
01:20:03,625 --> 01:20:06,541
when we hadour first actual date
1666
01:20:06,625 --> 01:20:09,208
when she wasstill a stranger to me.
1667
01:20:09,291 --> 01:20:13,375
With Karen,
I do believe in fate.
1668
01:20:14,791 --> 01:20:17,333
You've
been through so much.
1669
01:20:17,416 --> 01:20:20,541
You've had incredible
career success.
1670
01:20:20,625 --> 01:20:22,750
You've had tragedy in your life.
1671
01:20:22,833 --> 01:20:24,458
You seem like you're
in a really good place now,
1672
01:20:24,541 --> 01:20:26,875
you're happy, and that made
me feel really, you know--
1673
01:20:26,958 --> 01:20:28,541
that made me feel good,
'cause I just--
1674
01:20:28,625 --> 01:20:30,125
I want you to be happy,
so that was nice.
1675
01:20:30,208 --> 01:20:31,750
That's true, right?
You feel good.
1676
01:20:31,833 --> 01:20:33,791
I'm happier than
I've ever been in my life.
1677
01:20:33,875 --> 01:20:36,125
That's fantastic. Well…
1678
01:20:36,208 --> 01:20:37,583
That makes…
1679
01:20:37,666 --> 01:20:39,833
When he had
television interviews,
1680
01:20:39,916 --> 01:20:41,083
I went with him.
1681
01:20:41,166 --> 01:20:42,750
I went with him everywhere.
1682
01:20:42,833 --> 01:20:44,625
I went to the movie set.
1683
01:20:44,708 --> 01:20:46,958
And I would watch him act.
1684
01:20:50,208 --> 01:20:51,416
I'm sorry, Mr. Truman.
1685
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:53,583
-Does my pounding disturb you?
-No, sir.
1686
01:20:53,666 --> 01:20:55,416
It just--just
caught me by surprise.
1687
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:57,708
Oh, okay, well,
I'll try to be more considerate
1688
01:20:57,791 --> 01:20:58,791
in the future!
1689
01:20:58,875 --> 01:21:01,666
We were
blessed with Gene
1690
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:03,708
coming on Will & Grace.
1691
01:21:05,416 --> 01:21:07,791
We were just floored.
1692
01:21:07,875 --> 01:21:09,750
I like to think
that he recognized
1693
01:21:09,833 --> 01:21:12,958
something in the show that--
1694
01:21:13,041 --> 01:21:16,583
that harkened back
to all the things he brought.
1695
01:21:16,666 --> 01:21:19,333
He was so kind and gentle.
1696
01:21:19,416 --> 01:21:20,833
And I just wanted
to make him laugh.
1697
01:21:20,916 --> 01:21:22,666
Say, "I'm Stein."
1698
01:21:22,750 --> 01:21:23,875
I'm Stein.
1699
01:21:23,958 --> 01:21:26,708
-Louder! "I'm Stein!"
-Louder! "I'm Stein!"
1700
01:21:26,791 --> 01:21:29,458
I surprised him
with something in a take
1701
01:21:29,541 --> 01:21:30,541
that I'm very proud of.
1702
01:21:30,625 --> 01:21:35,041
Your nameis Frankenstein!
1703
01:21:35,125 --> 01:21:36,416
It was
just so lovely.
1704
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:38,375
It's one of
my favorite memories.
1705
01:21:40,166 --> 01:21:42,208
There was a gentleness
to the show,
1706
01:21:42,291 --> 01:21:44,125
and there was
a sensitivity to the show,
1707
01:21:44,208 --> 01:21:46,500
and there was an insane
wackiness to the show.
1708
01:21:46,583 --> 01:21:47,833
Occupied!
1709
01:21:47,916 --> 01:21:50,541
And he got
to do all of those things.
1710
01:21:50,625 --> 01:21:53,041
Hear, hear!
1711
01:21:53,125 --> 01:21:55,666
It was
almost like a victory lap.
1712
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,416
I don't want to have to prove
1713
01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:02,958
that I'm a good actor anymore.
1714
01:22:04,166 --> 01:22:06,208
I started writing a novel.
1715
01:22:08,875 --> 01:22:13,958
Right now, I would rather
write fiction than act.
1716
01:22:14,041 --> 01:22:16,541
Gene was
an extremely talented person
1717
01:22:16,625 --> 01:22:19,125
in many areas.
1718
01:22:19,208 --> 01:22:22,208
He was a very,
very good painter,
1719
01:22:22,291 --> 01:22:24,500
mainly watercolors,
1720
01:22:24,583 --> 01:22:27,041
and he studied hard,
he took lessons,
1721
01:22:27,125 --> 01:22:30,041
he kept trying to get
better and better.
1722
01:22:39,083 --> 01:22:40,416
Will you just shut your mouth?
1723
01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:42,291
-I'm having a heart attack.
-Oh, nonsense!
1724
01:22:42,375 --> 01:22:45,333
I got to do
some plays with Gene
1725
01:22:45,416 --> 01:22:49,375
at the Westport Playhouse,
and that was fun,
1726
01:22:49,458 --> 01:22:52,541
fun to be on stage with him.
1727
01:22:52,625 --> 01:22:56,583
Both Gene and I come
from a background of theater,
1728
01:22:56,666 --> 01:22:59,416
and he was a very creative guy
1729
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:03,458
and a big appreciator
of other people's creativity.
1730
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:12,416
The first signs
something was wrong
1731
01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:15,458
were when I noticed
Gene would forget things
1732
01:23:15,541 --> 01:23:20,833
that were really always
easy for him to remember.
1733
01:23:20,916 --> 01:23:27,333
But when-when we did
the one in-in jail--
1734
01:23:27,416 --> 01:23:29,333
Stir Crazy.
1735
01:23:29,416 --> 01:23:32,958
Yeah. It was Stir Crazy,
wasn't it?
1736
01:23:33,041 --> 01:23:35,000
He didn't
remember the name
1737
01:23:35,083 --> 01:23:36,916
of the movie Young Frankenstein.
1738
01:23:38,541 --> 01:23:41,583
He would've never,
ever forgot that,
1739
01:23:41,666 --> 01:23:45,500
because that was
his favorite movie.
1740
01:23:45,583 --> 01:23:49,125
He then started
to forget many things,
1741
01:23:49,208 --> 01:23:52,333
and I asked him
if he'd noticed
1742
01:23:52,416 --> 01:23:53,958
and if he'd go
for an evaluation,
1743
01:23:54,041 --> 01:23:57,916
and he said,
"If it gets worse."
1744
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,291
A lot of people have
mild cognitive impairment
1745
01:24:00,375 --> 01:24:02,166
and it doesn't progress,
1746
01:24:02,250 --> 01:24:06,791
and I suppose I hoped
that was what it was.
1747
01:24:06,875 --> 01:24:11,125
I found a doctor who did
the comprehensive test
1748
01:24:11,208 --> 01:24:15,000
for cognitive impairment
in Connecticut.
1749
01:24:15,083 --> 01:24:17,916
Gene was amazed
that he couldn't draw a clock
1750
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,625
and make it 10:30.
1751
01:24:20,708 --> 01:24:23,541
And he couldn't do it.
1752
01:24:23,625 --> 01:24:25,291
He wasn't upset,
1753
01:24:25,375 --> 01:24:27,958
he just couldn't figure out why.
1754
01:24:29,916 --> 01:24:33,416
But I knew then that
something was very wrong.
1755
01:24:36,208 --> 01:24:40,208
Our friend suggested
we go see Dr. Michael Rafii
1756
01:24:40,291 --> 01:24:44,083
in San Diego,
where we've spent the winters.
1757
01:24:44,166 --> 01:24:47,000
I first met Gene
in January of 2014,
1758
01:24:47,083 --> 01:24:49,125
where he was 80 years old.
1759
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:53,666
Based on the history,
the examination,
1760
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:56,750
memory testing,
MRI of the brain,
1761
01:24:56,833 --> 01:24:59,166
as well as a very
specialized kind of scan
1762
01:24:59,250 --> 01:25:01,416
called an amyloid PET scan,
1763
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:05,416
was confirmatory
for his diagnosis.
1764
01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:07,375
Alzheimer's disease dementia.
1765
01:25:08,791 --> 01:25:10,583
I said, "Oh, no."
1766
01:25:10,666 --> 01:25:12,791
And Gene said, "Oh, no."
1767
01:25:17,958 --> 01:25:23,333
He never really accepted
that he had Alzheimer's,
1768
01:25:23,416 --> 01:25:26,666
and maybe by the time
we found out that's what it was,
1769
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:31,333
his hippocampus
didn't let him remember.
1770
01:25:31,416 --> 01:25:35,208
So I'm not sure
that he ever knew.
1771
01:25:37,208 --> 01:25:41,750
When I'd see him
slip away further from me,
1772
01:25:41,833 --> 01:25:44,583
I was sick to my stomach,
1773
01:25:44,666 --> 01:25:46,125
but I had to keep smiling
1774
01:25:46,208 --> 01:25:48,833
and tell him
that everything was okay.
1775
01:25:48,916 --> 01:25:51,541
That was the hardest
part for me.
1776
01:25:52,875 --> 01:25:54,666
Gene certainly had memory loss
1777
01:25:54,750 --> 01:25:57,375
that progressively
worsened over time
1778
01:25:57,458 --> 01:26:00,083
and also included
some other thinking skills
1779
01:26:00,166 --> 01:26:02,083
that were affected,
including language.
1780
01:26:03,708 --> 01:26:05,000
I called him a lot,
1781
01:26:05,083 --> 01:26:07,625
thinking maybe if I gave him
enough references,
1782
01:26:07,708 --> 01:26:09,583
I could get him out of it.
1783
01:26:09,666 --> 01:26:12,083
Insanity, in my part.
1784
01:26:12,166 --> 01:26:15,458
He was in the throes
of that terrible disease.
1785
01:26:15,541 --> 01:26:19,791
We could never talk too long
after he got it.
1786
01:26:19,875 --> 01:26:24,125
It was so sad,
it made me cry a lot, you know.
1787
01:26:24,208 --> 01:26:27,291
We still went out to dinner,
1788
01:26:27,375 --> 01:26:30,083
and he made it
to his nephew's wedding.
1789
01:26:31,916 --> 01:26:33,208
He could hardly walk.
1790
01:26:33,291 --> 01:26:34,625
He danced down the aisle
1791
01:26:34,708 --> 01:26:36,208
and made it
through the wedding.
1792
01:26:39,791 --> 01:26:41,791
He was
always in our prayers,
1793
01:26:41,875 --> 01:26:43,458
and it's a sad thing
to see somebody
1794
01:26:43,541 --> 01:26:46,083
that you love so much,
you know, suffer like that.
1795
01:26:46,166 --> 01:26:47,458
To Karen and anybody,
you know,
1796
01:26:47,541 --> 01:26:49,166
who was involved
with him intimately,
1797
01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:52,916
it's hard--it's hard
to see that.
1798
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,708
People think
Alzheimer's is
1799
01:26:54,791 --> 01:26:55,916
only a memory disease,
1800
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,666
but what attacks your brain
attacks your body.
1801
01:26:59,750 --> 01:27:03,416
Couldn't put on his shoes,
couldn't tie his tie.
1802
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:05,375
One time, he fell,
1803
01:27:05,458 --> 01:27:07,500
and there were three of us,
1804
01:27:07,583 --> 01:27:09,875
and we couldn't
get him up on the bed.
1805
01:27:09,958 --> 01:27:11,750
And finally,
we ended up laughing.
1806
01:27:11,833 --> 01:27:13,791
We have pictures
of all of us laughing.
1807
01:27:13,875 --> 01:27:16,583
Took us couple of hours.
1808
01:27:19,250 --> 01:27:21,333
He was dying, and Gene
looked at me and says,
1809
01:27:21,416 --> 01:27:23,541
"Is that what's happening?"
1810
01:27:24,416 --> 01:27:26,500
"Yeah," I said. "Yes."
1811
01:27:29,125 --> 01:27:31,083
He hadn't walked alone,
1812
01:27:31,166 --> 01:27:35,583
and it was just a few days
before he died,
1813
01:27:35,666 --> 01:27:36,541
and I looked up,
1814
01:27:36,625 --> 01:27:40,083
and he was walking
across the kitchen.
1815
01:27:41,250 --> 01:27:45,583
And--and then he said,
"I want to go swimming."
1816
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:50,583
He dove into the pool
like he used to.
1817
01:27:50,666 --> 01:27:53,333
I saw his little tush
in the air,
1818
01:27:53,416 --> 01:27:55,791
and I was awestruck.
1819
01:27:55,875 --> 01:28:00,000
And he took two strokes,
he stood up,
1820
01:28:00,083 --> 01:28:01,541
shook his head
the way he always did
1821
01:28:01,625 --> 01:28:03,500
to get the water
out of his ear, and said,
1822
01:28:03,583 --> 01:28:05,250
"That's good."
1823
01:28:06,375 --> 01:28:07,416
Went back to bed,
1824
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:09,583
and I think he just
wanted to get in the pool
1825
01:28:09,666 --> 01:28:12,125
one more time.
1826
01:28:12,208 --> 01:28:15,541
We always had music playing
in the house.
1827
01:28:15,625 --> 01:28:18,791
We used to listen
to Ella Fitzgerald.
1828
01:28:18,875 --> 01:28:21,291
The music was playing
in the background.
1829
01:28:23,125 --> 01:28:27,583
♪ Somewhereover the rainbow ♪
1830
01:28:27,666 --> 01:28:29,375
Ella Fitzgerald
was singing
1831
01:28:29,458 --> 01:28:31,083
"Somewhere Over the Rainbow."
1832
01:28:31,166 --> 01:28:32,500
♪ Way up high ♪♪
1833
01:28:32,583 --> 01:28:34,333
I was lying next to him,
1834
01:28:34,416 --> 01:28:37,208
and he sat up in bed
and he said…
1835
01:28:38,208 --> 01:28:41,583
"I trust you."
1836
01:28:41,666 --> 01:28:45,166
Then he said, "I love you."
1837
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:52,083
That's the last thing he said.
1838
01:28:56,666 --> 01:28:58,166
There was
some really sad news
1839
01:28:58,250 --> 01:28:59,958
about the passing
of Gene Wilder.
1840
01:29:00,041 --> 01:29:02,458
We're learning more about
the death of Gene Wilder.
1841
01:29:02,541 --> 01:29:05,375
One of the most legendary
comedic talents of our time…
1842
01:29:05,458 --> 01:29:08,875
…has died due to complications
from Alzheimer's disease.
1843
01:29:08,958 --> 01:29:12,166
The reactions pouring in
from coast to coast.
1844
01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:17,416
I was inconsolable
for a couple of weeks.
1845
01:29:17,500 --> 01:29:22,208
When he lived his life,
he lived it loud and eloquently.
1846
01:29:22,291 --> 01:29:25,833
He was an outstanding actor,
1847
01:29:25,916 --> 01:29:28,875
and also, an outstanding person.
1848
01:29:28,958 --> 01:29:30,875
You are my best friend!
1849
01:29:33,625 --> 01:29:37,125
I believe
Leo Bloom exists.
1850
01:29:37,208 --> 01:29:40,416
I believe the Waco Kid exists.
1851
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,125
I believe
Dr. Frankenstein exists.
1852
01:29:43,208 --> 01:29:44,625
That's insane.
1853
01:29:44,708 --> 01:29:48,166
Gene makes you think
that that guy is out there,
1854
01:29:48,250 --> 01:29:50,500
trying his hardest,
1855
01:29:50,583 --> 01:29:52,291
despite all these obstacles,
1856
01:29:52,375 --> 01:29:54,750
to navigate
this impossible world.
1857
01:29:54,833 --> 01:29:57,333
He embodied these characters,
1858
01:29:57,416 --> 01:30:00,041
and we felt their humanity.
1859
01:30:03,958 --> 01:30:07,500
This is a wonderful man.
1860
01:30:07,583 --> 01:30:09,458
He made me what I am today.
1861
01:30:09,541 --> 01:30:12,666
I miss
his enjoying my humor.
1862
01:30:12,750 --> 01:30:15,250
I could make him laugh
1863
01:30:15,333 --> 01:30:17,291
where he would
sometimes grab his belly,
1864
01:30:17,375 --> 01:30:18,208
hit the ground,
1865
01:30:18,291 --> 01:30:21,166
and roll around
on the ground and laugh.
1866
01:30:21,250 --> 01:30:24,791
That's the real payment
in being a comic.
1867
01:30:24,875 --> 01:30:28,250
And, boy, he paid,
he was delicious.
1868
01:30:30,625 --> 01:30:33,625
Acting seemsso much easier than life,
1869
01:30:33,708 --> 01:30:35,666
and when I'm taking my bow,
1870
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:38,666
I have the belief that I'veearned my feeling of grace,
1871
01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:43,291
as if God were saying,"You did something worthwhile."
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