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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,629 --> 00:00:05,297 Do you mind that I'm here? 2 00:00:05,297 --> 00:00:07,216 No, you got to be here, right? 3 00:00:07,216 --> 00:00:08,258 Sort of. 4 00:00:14,890 --> 00:00:17,809 How often have you been seeing Gail? 5 00:00:17,809 --> 00:00:19,102 Once or twice a week. 6 00:00:19,102 --> 00:00:20,604 - You saw her the day she was killed? 7 00:00:20,604 --> 00:00:22,064 Yeah. 8 00:00:22,064 --> 00:00:25,192 - Had you had a fight with her of any kind? 9 00:00:25,192 --> 00:00:26,568 You're from New York? 10 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:27,945 Yeah. 11 00:00:27,945 --> 00:00:29,488 - There's a lot of crazy people in New York. 12 00:00:29,488 --> 00:00:30,989 [scoffs] 13 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:34,076 It's like they're all talking at the same time-- 14 00:00:34,076 --> 00:00:37,621 or arguing-- or crying and praying. 15 00:00:37,621 --> 00:00:39,039 Sandy. 16 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:41,375 - Seat opens up on the subway, so I sit down. 17 00:00:41,375 --> 00:00:44,461 And the lady next to me was standing, starts crying 18 00:00:44,461 --> 00:00:46,088 because she wanted to sit down. 19 00:00:46,088 --> 00:00:47,923 Sandy, I need your help. 20 00:00:47,923 --> 00:00:50,467 I need you to stop thinking about crazy people in New York 21 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:52,970 and start thinking about the crime you've been charged with. 22 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:55,847 Oh, I hate these patterns. 23 00:00:55,847 --> 00:00:57,641 What patterns? 24 00:00:57,641 --> 00:01:01,103 - Patterns on the floor, the linoleum. 25 00:01:01,103 --> 00:01:02,854 Keep dividing and subdividing. 26 00:01:02,854 --> 00:01:05,107 There's lines, and there's quadrants and hemispheres. 27 00:01:05,107 --> 00:01:07,568 And it's not that restful to have to look at that. 28 00:01:07,568 --> 00:01:10,487 I prefer to have plain floors-- 29 00:01:10,487 --> 00:01:11,822 plain walls. 30 00:01:11,822 --> 00:01:13,407 Although these walls are pretty plain, 31 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:15,534 but there's too much going on with those floors. 32 00:01:15,534 --> 00:01:17,202 Did you kill anybody, Sandy? 33 00:01:17,202 --> 00:01:19,204 - Now, what the hell will you do if I said I did? 34 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:20,622 I'd be your lawyer. 35 00:01:20,622 --> 00:01:22,165 The same thing I'd do if you said you didn't. 36 00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:23,542 Then what's the difference? 37 00:01:23,542 --> 00:01:25,085 - It might affect the way I try the case. 38 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:26,753 Yeah, but it shouldn't though. 39 00:01:26,753 --> 00:01:29,006 You should try and get me off no matter what, right? 40 00:01:29,006 --> 00:01:31,717 If that's what you want. 41 00:01:31,717 --> 00:01:32,634 That's what I want. 42 00:01:36,263 --> 00:01:40,350 [theme music] 43 00:03:07,896 --> 00:03:12,025 [music playing] 44 00:03:34,464 --> 00:03:36,633 - Let me begin this morning by welcoming our newest 45 00:03:36,633 --> 00:03:38,552 associate, Ms. Jane Halliday. 46 00:03:38,552 --> 00:03:39,845 - Here, here. Welcome. 47 00:03:39,845 --> 00:03:41,096 - How do you do? - Hi. 48 00:03:41,096 --> 00:03:42,848 - Hi. - Daniel. 49 00:03:42,848 --> 00:03:45,058 - I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to work with you. 50 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:47,769 I do you hope I can be of some service. 51 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:50,355 Also, I would like to thank everyone in advance 52 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:54,151 for all of the help I'm sure I will be asking for. 53 00:03:54,151 --> 00:03:55,652 Ask and it shall be given you. 54 00:03:55,652 --> 00:03:57,362 Seek and you shall find. 55 00:03:57,362 --> 00:04:00,615 Knock and it shall be opened unto you. 56 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:02,159 - Matthew 7. - Yes, indeed. 57 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:04,327 - Well, I don't know the appropriate biblical passage 58 00:04:04,327 --> 00:04:06,037 for new business, but whatever it is, 59 00:04:06,037 --> 00:04:08,498 this young lady is responsible for bringing some with her. 60 00:04:08,498 --> 00:04:10,584 Kerry versus the Department of Veteran Affairs. 61 00:04:10,584 --> 00:04:11,877 Ms. Halliday? 62 00:04:11,877 --> 00:04:13,962 - David Kerry is a veteran of the Gulf War. 63 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:15,839 Like hundreds of others, he's come down 64 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:18,758 with a debilitating illness as a result of exposure 65 00:04:18,758 --> 00:04:19,759 to chemicals in Kuwait. 66 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:21,261 Yeah, I heard about that. 67 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:23,305 They have all kinds of strange symptoms like hair 68 00:04:23,305 --> 00:04:25,348 loss, immune system problems. 69 00:04:25,348 --> 00:04:27,142 - Well, until recently, VA doctors 70 00:04:27,142 --> 00:04:30,020 routinely dismissed this condition as psychosomatic. 71 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:31,521 - How did you come to represent him? 72 00:04:31,521 --> 00:04:33,023 - Well, he's a member of my church. 73 00:04:33,023 --> 00:04:34,191 Great. 74 00:04:34,191 --> 00:04:35,859 Religious organizations, I believe, 75 00:04:35,859 --> 00:04:38,945 are a terrific and largely untapped source of referrals. 76 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:41,531 With that, more of us were trolling in those waters. 77 00:04:41,531 --> 00:04:43,825 Next up, Bannister versus the American Buying Network. 78 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:44,618 [chuckles] 79 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:45,660 That's mine. 80 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:47,245 We represent the buying network. 81 00:04:47,245 --> 00:04:49,164 The plaintiff is a guy who's suing 82 00:04:49,164 --> 00:04:51,124 them for selling to his wife. 83 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:53,585 He claims she's got an obsessive compulsive shopping 84 00:04:53,585 --> 00:04:55,587 disorder that they took undue advantage of. 85 00:04:55,587 --> 00:04:56,796 You're kidding. 86 00:04:56,796 --> 00:04:57,923 - Yet another theory for avoiding 87 00:04:57,923 --> 00:04:59,341 personal responsibility. 88 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:01,843 - Those channels do play to people's compulsions. 89 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:03,011 Oh, come on, she's weak. 90 00:05:03,011 --> 00:05:04,429 She's extravagant, and she's weak. 91 00:05:04,429 --> 00:05:06,640 Compulsions like this are a sign of weakness. 92 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,433 - That wouldn't apply to your desire to own 93 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:11,186 a $275,000 Bentley, would it? 94 00:05:11,186 --> 00:05:12,938 No, it wouldn't. 95 00:05:12,938 --> 00:05:14,523 - I'm expecting that if we're successful in this matter, then 96 00:05:14,523 --> 00:05:16,608 the American Buying Network may tap us for a variety 97 00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:17,859 of other services. 98 00:05:17,859 --> 00:05:19,861 - Eli, what's happening with your case? 99 00:05:19,861 --> 00:05:21,947 - I'm preparing for trial, interviewing 100 00:05:21,947 --> 00:05:24,491 witnesses, going over police reports, that kind of thing. 101 00:05:24,491 --> 00:05:26,326 I do need to hire a private investigator. 102 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,328 If you've used somebody who you recommend, I'd-- 103 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:29,329 Jinx Baldasseri. 104 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,664 You've used her? 105 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:32,290 - [distant yelling] - Yes, I have. 106 00:05:32,290 --> 00:05:33,124 - Look out! Look out! 107 00:05:33,124 --> 00:05:34,376 Look out! 108 00:05:34,376 --> 00:05:35,335 Whoa! 109 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:36,836 I'll call an ambulance. 110 00:05:36,836 --> 00:05:38,505 - How much is this one going to cost us, Douglas? 111 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:40,048 - Not a dime. - Are you sure? 112 00:05:40,048 --> 00:05:42,092 - First of all, the contractor is primarily liable. 113 00:05:42,092 --> 00:05:44,261 Second of all, those stilts are illegal in the state 114 00:05:44,261 --> 00:05:45,637 of California. 115 00:05:45,637 --> 00:05:47,430 Assumption of risk, comparative negligence, 116 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:48,932 we got nothing to worry about. 117 00:05:48,932 --> 00:05:49,891 Excuse me. 118 00:05:49,891 --> 00:05:51,059 How many do you see, Dave? 119 00:05:51,059 --> 00:05:55,021 [music playing] 120 00:05:57,858 --> 00:05:59,943 - Mr. Bannister, how long has your wife 121 00:05:59,943 --> 00:06:02,070 been shopping with the American Buying Network? 122 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:04,322 Since March of 1992. 123 00:06:04,322 --> 00:06:06,825 - What kinds of items did she purchase? 124 00:06:06,825 --> 00:06:10,412 - Clothes, power tools, kitchen appliances, 125 00:06:10,412 --> 00:06:13,123 a radio transmitter, dog fence-- never mind that we don't have 126 00:06:13,123 --> 00:06:16,001 a dog --stuffed animals and dolls-- never mind that 127 00:06:16,001 --> 00:06:17,627 we don't have any children. 128 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:19,796 - Uh, the stuffed animals and dolls are collectibles. 129 00:06:19,796 --> 00:06:21,506 Ms. Bannister, please. 130 00:06:21,506 --> 00:06:24,676 - The ceramic ducks wearing galoshes are also collectibles? 131 00:06:24,676 --> 00:06:26,052 Yes, they are. 132 00:06:26,052 --> 00:06:28,513 - Uh, folks, for the purposes of this trial, 133 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:29,890 you two are on the same side. 134 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:31,725 I don't want to hear any arguing. 135 00:06:31,725 --> 00:06:33,059 I'm sorry, Your Honor. 136 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:35,270 - Mr. Bannister, is your wife currently 137 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:38,023 under treatment for any kind of mental disorder? 138 00:06:38,023 --> 00:06:40,984 - She's under treatment for obsessive compulsive shopping. 139 00:06:40,984 --> 00:06:44,738 - Did you inform the American Buying Network of that fact? 140 00:06:44,738 --> 00:06:46,239 By registered mail. 141 00:06:46,239 --> 00:06:47,782 How did they respond? 142 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:50,035 - They responded by continuing to sell her anything 143 00:06:50,035 --> 00:06:51,411 and everything she wanted. 144 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:53,538 - Mr. Bannister, what has been the result? 145 00:06:53,538 --> 00:06:56,499 - The result has been that I'm facing bankruptcy. 146 00:06:56,499 --> 00:06:59,085 I have no further questions. 147 00:06:59,085 --> 00:07:01,796 - Mr. Bannister, let's talk about those ceramic ducks. 148 00:07:01,796 --> 00:07:04,466 Your wife has collected ornamental birds for some time, 149 00:07:04,466 --> 00:07:05,634 hasn't she? 150 00:07:05,634 --> 00:07:07,177 - Birds, rabbits, souvenir spoons. 151 00:07:07,177 --> 00:07:08,345 She collects everything. 152 00:07:08,345 --> 00:07:10,013 - But your wife started collecting 153 00:07:10,013 --> 00:07:11,973 before she started watching the American Buying Network, 154 00:07:11,973 --> 00:07:13,308 didn't she? 155 00:07:13,308 --> 00:07:15,060 - In a limited capacity, I suppose she did. 156 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:17,812 - $1,500's worth of glass swans your wife bought 157 00:07:17,812 --> 00:07:21,274 in 1989 at the Crystal Palace Boutique, 158 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:22,901 is that a limited capacity? 159 00:07:22,901 --> 00:07:25,654 - All I know is that since they have been broadcasting, 160 00:07:25,654 --> 00:07:27,822 a day doesn't go by when a delivery truck 161 00:07:27,822 --> 00:07:29,532 does not come to my house. 162 00:07:29,532 --> 00:07:31,493 - You claim your wife suffers from a shopping compulsion. 163 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:34,079 Is there anything about your wife's voice that 164 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:35,789 would indicate this compulsion? 165 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:37,207 No. 166 00:07:37,207 --> 00:07:38,917 - Anything at all that would in your opinion 167 00:07:38,917 --> 00:07:42,212 indicate to a phone operator at the American Buying Network 168 00:07:42,212 --> 00:07:43,880 that your wife was compulsive? 169 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,341 - Well, how about the fact that she calls 50 times a day? 170 00:07:46,341 --> 00:07:48,885 - So you're saying that based on the frequency of your wife's 171 00:07:48,885 --> 00:07:50,470 calls, an operator should have been 172 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:52,597 able to diagnose her as having a psychiatric disorder? 173 00:07:52,597 --> 00:07:53,932 That's right. 174 00:07:53,932 --> 00:07:55,350 - And furthermore, based on the diagnosis, 175 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:56,935 they should have refused to sell her anything? 176 00:07:56,935 --> 00:07:58,269 That's right. 177 00:07:58,269 --> 00:07:59,771 You don't have an American Booze Network 178 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:02,107 selling to drunks, an American Dope 179 00:08:02,107 --> 00:08:03,817 Network selling to junkies. 180 00:08:03,817 --> 00:08:06,152 By the same token, you should not have an American Buying 181 00:08:06,152 --> 00:08:07,404 Network selling to my wife. 182 00:08:10,115 --> 00:08:13,493 - Mr. Kerry, when did you first experience symptoms related 183 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:14,953 to your current condition? 184 00:08:14,953 --> 00:08:17,163 During Operation Desert Storm. 185 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:19,582 My unit secured the Al Wafra oilfields which 186 00:08:19,582 --> 00:08:21,334 the Iraqis had set on fire. 187 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:23,712 And the smoke was so thick that you could taste it. 188 00:08:23,712 --> 00:08:27,215 And that week, I got a skin rash, headaches, and I-- 189 00:08:27,215 --> 00:08:29,342 I coughed black fluid from my lungs. 190 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:33,096 - And how was your health after returning to the United States? 191 00:08:33,096 --> 00:08:37,183 - I experienced fatigue, pain in my joints and some hair loss, 192 00:08:37,183 --> 00:08:39,853 as well as severe headaches whenever I smelled anything 193 00:08:39,853 --> 00:08:42,605 chemical, but I didn't realize how bad off I 194 00:08:42,605 --> 00:08:45,442 was until I failed my annual physical performance 195 00:08:45,442 --> 00:08:46,693 test that August. 196 00:08:46,693 --> 00:08:48,111 - What happened after you failed? 197 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:52,157 Uh, I was discharged. 198 00:08:52,157 --> 00:08:54,826 - What, if any, medical treatment did you 199 00:08:54,826 --> 00:08:56,619 receive after your discharge? 200 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:59,622 - I went to the veterans hospital maybe a dozen times 201 00:08:59,622 --> 00:09:01,708 over a period of six months, but the doctor 202 00:09:01,708 --> 00:09:03,835 said they could never find anything wrong with me. 203 00:09:03,835 --> 00:09:08,757 Dr. Croyder asked me if I was malingering right to my face. 204 00:09:08,757 --> 00:09:11,301 In the end, he just wrote me down as being depressed 205 00:09:11,301 --> 00:09:12,677 and he gave me some pills. 206 00:09:12,677 --> 00:09:15,346 - How has your illness affected your life? 207 00:09:15,346 --> 00:09:18,600 - Two years ago, my wife and I had plans to buy a house 208 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,144 and start a family. 209 00:09:21,144 --> 00:09:25,940 Today, I have-- no job, no savings, 210 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:34,324 $100,000 in medical bills, my wife divorce me, and my career 211 00:09:34,324 --> 00:09:35,909 in the military is over. 212 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:39,037 - Why are you suing the Department of Veterans Affairs? 213 00:09:39,037 --> 00:09:41,998 - I served my country, and I don't regret that for a second, 214 00:09:41,998 --> 00:09:44,709 but the deal was if I got hurt that the VA was 215 00:09:44,709 --> 00:09:46,377 supposed to take care of me. 216 00:09:46,377 --> 00:09:50,757 And instead, they-- they just watched me fall apart. 217 00:09:50,757 --> 00:09:51,883 I have nothing further. 218 00:09:54,844 --> 00:09:59,224 - Mr. Kerry, according to your hospital file, 219 00:09:59,224 --> 00:10:03,436 you were seen by nine VA specialists who conducted 220 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:06,189 no fewer than 23 diagnostic tests 221 00:10:06,189 --> 00:10:09,692 on you, blood panels, bone marrow biopsies, 222 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:12,529 EMGs, EKGs, CAT scans. 223 00:10:12,529 --> 00:10:16,157 Is this your idea of doctors just watching you fall apart? 224 00:10:16,157 --> 00:10:18,743 - They never tested me for chemical poisoning. 225 00:10:18,743 --> 00:10:20,453 - Let me ask you something, Mr. Kerry, 226 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:24,207 how do you explain the fact that of the 120 men in your unit, 227 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:26,251 you're the only one claiming to be permanently 228 00:10:26,251 --> 00:10:27,627 harmed by oil fires? 229 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:29,504 - Maybe I breathed more smoke. I don't know. 230 00:10:29,504 --> 00:10:31,548 Look, there are hundreds of guys from other units 231 00:10:31,548 --> 00:10:33,049 who came back just as sick as me. 232 00:10:33,049 --> 00:10:35,134 - Nobody disputes that you and other vets are sick, 233 00:10:35,134 --> 00:10:38,221 but you're accusing VA doctors of negligence. 234 00:10:38,221 --> 00:10:40,181 Do you have any reason for believing 235 00:10:40,181 --> 00:10:42,100 that Dr. Croyder and his staff were 236 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:43,810 less than diligent in their attempts 237 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:44,936 to diagnose and treat you? 238 00:10:44,936 --> 00:10:47,313 - Yes, I got hurt over there-- 239 00:10:47,313 --> 00:10:50,483 just as sure as if I'd taken a bullet! 240 00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:52,235 And Dr. Croyder, he told me it was all in my head. 241 00:10:52,235 --> 00:10:53,570 Mr. Kerry. 242 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:54,571 - I mean, he let me get worse and worse 243 00:10:54,571 --> 00:10:56,197 to where I'll never recover. 244 00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:57,866 To me, that's being less than diligent. 245 00:10:57,866 --> 00:10:59,450 To me, he was just being a government 246 00:10:59,450 --> 00:11:01,703 bureaucrat when what he should have been was a doctor! 247 00:11:11,379 --> 00:11:13,047 I don't like what's happening. 248 00:11:13,047 --> 00:11:14,966 - Rae, I entered a plea of not guilty 249 00:11:14,966 --> 00:11:17,135 because I think there's a chance of getting him off. 250 00:11:17,135 --> 00:11:20,430 - I hate to say this, but I don't think that's necessarily 251 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:22,015 what's best for him. 252 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:23,224 What are you talking about? 253 00:11:23,224 --> 00:11:24,976 Ed, face it. 254 00:11:24,976 --> 00:11:27,478 For once in your life, look at things the way they really are. 255 00:11:27,478 --> 00:11:31,524 Our son is incapable of living outside of an institution. 256 00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:33,443 We have known that since he was a teenager. 257 00:11:33,443 --> 00:11:34,485 I don't accept that. 258 00:11:34,485 --> 00:11:35,987 I know you don't accept it. 259 00:11:35,987 --> 00:11:37,906 But whether you accept it or not, it's the truth. 260 00:11:37,906 --> 00:11:41,659 Eli, I want you to change the plea to insanity. 261 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:42,911 I won't do that. 262 00:11:42,911 --> 00:11:44,454 - What do you mean you won't do that? 263 00:11:44,454 --> 00:11:45,705 Just what I said. 264 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:47,624 You hired me to be your son's attorney. 265 00:11:47,624 --> 00:11:48,958 That doesn't make you my client. 266 00:11:48,958 --> 00:11:50,418 That makes him my client. 267 00:11:50,418 --> 00:11:52,003 And I'm going to do what's in his best interests. 268 00:11:52,003 --> 00:11:54,088 - Do you think it's in his best interest for him 269 00:11:54,088 --> 00:11:55,340 to be on the street? 270 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:56,758 - I think it's in his best interest 271 00:11:56,758 --> 00:11:59,010 to be in a controlled therapeutic environment. 272 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:00,637 That doesn't mean locking him up, 273 00:12:00,637 --> 00:12:02,513 particularly when he's innocent of the crime 274 00:12:02,513 --> 00:12:03,765 with which he's been charged. 275 00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:12,899 - Dr. Anson, as a specialist in environmental medicine, 276 00:12:12,899 --> 00:12:14,943 have you examined David Kerry? 277 00:12:14,943 --> 00:12:16,444 Yes, I have. 278 00:12:16,444 --> 00:12:19,197 Mr. Kerry is suffering from chemical sensitivity 279 00:12:19,197 --> 00:12:21,574 due to petroleum exposure. 280 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:23,534 I might also add that I've personally 281 00:12:23,534 --> 00:12:26,579 diagnosed 27 Gulf veterans with the same condition. 282 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:28,581 - On what do you base your diagnoses? 283 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:30,250 On chemical response tests. 284 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:32,877 Normally harmless concentrations of petroleum 285 00:12:32,877 --> 00:12:35,046 triggered violent reactions in Mr. Kerry, 286 00:12:35,046 --> 00:12:38,633 indicating a past exposure to a damaging dose of chemicals. 287 00:12:38,633 --> 00:12:42,428 - What treatment, if any, exists for this condition? 288 00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:44,597 - Patients are injected with tiny amounts 289 00:12:44,597 --> 00:12:47,141 of petroleum derivates to rebuild their tolerance. 290 00:12:47,141 --> 00:12:49,936 Now, if Mr. Kerry had received such treatment early on, 291 00:12:49,936 --> 00:12:51,562 I expect he would have fully recovered. 292 00:12:51,562 --> 00:12:54,023 - Doctor, in your opinion, should a physician 293 00:12:54,023 --> 00:12:57,402 who isn't trained in your field, like Dr. Croyder, 294 00:12:57,402 --> 00:13:00,822 be expected to know about chemical sensitivity? 295 00:13:00,822 --> 00:13:02,240 Generally, no. 296 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,409 But two years ago, when the first vet showed up 297 00:13:04,409 --> 00:13:07,537 with these symptoms, I contacted Dr. Croyder to alert 298 00:13:07,537 --> 00:13:09,414 him about chemical sensitivity. 299 00:13:09,414 --> 00:13:12,125 I sent him case studies, treatment protocols. 300 00:13:12,125 --> 00:13:14,043 If he would have used them, he could have saved 301 00:13:14,043 --> 00:13:16,004 David Kerry untold suffering. 302 00:13:16,004 --> 00:13:17,714 I have nothing further. 303 00:13:17,714 --> 00:13:20,049 - Doctor, isn't it true that the American Board of Medical 304 00:13:20,049 --> 00:13:22,802 Specialists rejects environmental medicine 305 00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:26,180 as a specialty because they find your methods inconclusive? 306 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:27,056 Yes. 307 00:13:27,056 --> 00:13:28,433 Naturally, I disagree. 308 00:13:28,433 --> 00:13:30,101 Naturally. 309 00:13:30,101 --> 00:13:33,604 Now, these response tests you spoke of, assuming they're 310 00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:35,189 accurate, they show that Mr. Kerry 311 00:13:35,189 --> 00:13:37,650 is sensitive to chemicals, correct? 312 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:39,777 - Yes, and such sensitivity indicates 313 00:13:39,777 --> 00:13:41,362 chemical poisoning in the past. 314 00:13:41,362 --> 00:13:42,947 - But assuming that's true, how do 315 00:13:42,947 --> 00:13:44,699 you know that chemical poisoning and not something else 316 00:13:44,699 --> 00:13:47,994 is behind Mr. Kerry's fatigue, joint pain, and weight loss? 317 00:13:47,994 --> 00:13:50,204 - Our research shows that those symptoms 318 00:13:50,204 --> 00:13:52,123 are consistent with chemical exposure. 319 00:13:52,123 --> 00:13:54,876 - Are you aware that there are other theories 320 00:13:54,876 --> 00:13:57,712 that have been proposed for what's wrong with these vets? 321 00:13:57,712 --> 00:14:00,840 Some doctors say they have a rare bacterial infection. 322 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,884 Others say the culprit is a parasite 323 00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:06,095 transmitted in the bite of a Middle Eastern sand flea. 324 00:14:06,095 --> 00:14:08,222 - I know that I have been treating these vets 325 00:14:08,222 --> 00:14:09,390 and getting results. 326 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:11,100 - After a year of your treatments, 327 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:13,394 Mr. Kerry still appears to be quite ill. 328 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:15,063 - That's because Dr. Croyder has allowed 329 00:14:15,063 --> 00:14:17,607 his condition to progress to an irreversible stage. 330 00:14:17,607 --> 00:14:18,900 That's one explanation. 331 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:20,318 Another is that your diagnosis is wrong 332 00:14:20,318 --> 00:14:21,694 and your treatment is ineffective. 333 00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:23,237 - Objection! - That's all right. 334 00:14:23,237 --> 00:14:24,447 I'm done with the doctor. 335 00:14:28,201 --> 00:14:29,869 - What is your position at the American 336 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:31,537 Buying Network, Mr. Atkins? 337 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:34,332 - Founder, president, chief cook and bottle washer. 338 00:14:34,332 --> 00:14:35,833 It's pretty much my baby. 339 00:14:35,833 --> 00:14:37,460 - Could you describe for us the kind of interaction 340 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:40,129 that would have likely taken place between Philomena 341 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:41,672 Bannister and the various operators 342 00:14:41,672 --> 00:14:43,091 she would have taken orders with? 343 00:14:43,091 --> 00:14:44,842 - Generally, there would have been an exchange 344 00:14:44,842 --> 00:14:46,761 of pleasantries, then we'd take her name, 345 00:14:46,761 --> 00:14:48,721 address, daytime telephone number, 346 00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:50,098 and a major credit card. 347 00:14:50,098 --> 00:14:51,349 She'd place an order. 348 00:14:51,349 --> 00:14:52,475 And that would be that. 349 00:14:52,475 --> 00:14:54,894 - Mr. Atkins, why did the American 350 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:57,480 Buying Network continue to sell to Philomena Bannister? 351 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,899 - It's not our role to decide for our customers 352 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:01,984 how much they should spend or what they should buy 353 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:03,569 or how often they should shop any more 354 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:05,655 than it's the role of Neiman Marcus 355 00:15:05,655 --> 00:15:08,282 or Nordstrom's or Bob's Big Boy. 356 00:15:08,282 --> 00:15:10,910 As long as Philomena Bannister wants to be our customer, 357 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:12,537 it's not up to me to say she can't be. 358 00:15:12,537 --> 00:15:13,371 Thank you. 359 00:15:13,371 --> 00:15:14,539 Nothing further. 360 00:15:14,539 --> 00:15:16,332 - Mr. Atkins, do you have any idea 361 00:15:16,332 --> 00:15:19,168 how much Philomena Bannister purchased from the American 362 00:15:19,168 --> 00:15:20,336 Buying Network? 363 00:15:20,336 --> 00:15:22,088 No, actually, I don't. 364 00:15:22,088 --> 00:15:26,551 - Would it surprise you to learn that she averaged over $1,500 365 00:15:26,551 --> 00:15:29,262 a week in the past two years? 366 00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:30,721 No. 367 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:32,598 - Would you say that sounds a little excessive? 368 00:15:32,598 --> 00:15:35,059 - I'm in no position to say anything of the kind. 369 00:15:35,059 --> 00:15:38,354 What's excessive for one person is moderate for another. 370 00:15:38,354 --> 00:15:40,690 - Does the fact that these two people 371 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:44,610 face the prospect of the bank foreclosing on their mortgage 372 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:47,613 suggest to you that their case might not be moderate? 373 00:15:47,613 --> 00:15:49,907 - Again, I don't presume to tell someone 374 00:15:49,907 --> 00:15:51,534 how to spend their money. 375 00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:55,079 If a shelf full of figurines or a strand of faux pearls 376 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:58,624 and matching earrings brings joy and a sense of well-being 377 00:15:58,624 --> 00:16:01,127 to someone's existence, who am I to tell them they 378 00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:02,336 shouldn't have those things? 379 00:16:02,336 --> 00:16:03,880 - Tell me, Mr. Atkins, do you have 380 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,966 any familiarity with compulsive shopping disorder? 381 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,634 Not really, no. 382 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:10,344 - Well, let me put it this way, did it ever occur to you 383 00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:12,889 that Philomena Bannister might not need any more 384 00:16:12,889 --> 00:16:16,350 shelves of figurines or strands of faux pearls 385 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:17,768 with matching earrings? 386 00:16:17,768 --> 00:16:19,562 - If I thought that way, I'd be out of business. 387 00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:21,939 Spoken like a true visionary. 388 00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:22,732 Objection. 389 00:16:22,732 --> 00:16:24,025 Withdrawn. 390 00:16:24,025 --> 00:16:24,984 Nothing further. 391 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:28,863 [chatter] 392 00:16:28,863 --> 00:16:31,282 [knocking on door] 393 00:16:31,282 --> 00:16:32,366 Eli? 394 00:16:32,366 --> 00:16:35,036 Eli, this is Jinx Baldasseri. 395 00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:36,037 How do you do? 396 00:16:36,037 --> 00:16:36,996 Hi. 397 00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:38,164 Can I get you something? 398 00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:39,332 - A bottled water would be great. 399 00:16:39,332 --> 00:16:40,708 - Sure. - Thanks for coming over. 400 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:42,960 - You're representing that guy who's charged 401 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,337 with killing a social worker? 402 00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:45,838 Right. 403 00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:47,715 - From what my friends in the DA's office tell me, 404 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:49,967 you've got your work cut out for you. 405 00:16:49,967 --> 00:16:50,927 That I do. 406 00:16:50,927 --> 00:16:52,678 What can I do for you? 407 00:16:52,678 --> 00:16:55,431 - I have reason to suspect that the husband's not all he seems. 408 00:16:55,431 --> 00:16:57,225 You think he killed his wife? 409 00:16:57,225 --> 00:16:58,643 I don't know. 410 00:16:58,643 --> 00:17:00,728 - Is this an exercise in wishful thinking then? 411 00:17:00,728 --> 00:17:02,230 - It's a little bit more than that. 412 00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:04,232 The husband's been seen around town with a woman 413 00:17:04,232 --> 00:17:05,608 he seems to know quite well. 414 00:17:05,608 --> 00:17:06,984 I'm led to believe their behavior 415 00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:08,611 is on the libidinous side. 416 00:17:08,611 --> 00:17:10,696 - I can put a tail on him 24 hours a day. 417 00:17:10,696 --> 00:17:12,531 I can find out who the girlfriend 418 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:13,866 is and put a tail on her. 419 00:17:13,866 --> 00:17:15,076 Sounds good. 420 00:17:15,076 --> 00:17:17,828 - I charge $750 per eight-hour day. 421 00:17:17,828 --> 00:17:20,623 Overtime and out of pocket expenses are extra. 422 00:17:20,623 --> 00:17:22,083 - You come very highly recommended. 423 00:17:22,083 --> 00:17:23,793 I'm sure you're worth whatever you charge. 424 00:17:23,793 --> 00:17:25,253 Excuse me, here's your water. 425 00:17:25,253 --> 00:17:26,087 Thanks. 426 00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:26,963 Sure. 427 00:17:26,963 --> 00:17:27,797 I love your outfit. 428 00:17:27,797 --> 00:17:28,798 Oh, thank you. 429 00:17:28,798 --> 00:17:29,924 Really fabulous. 430 00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:30,925 Thank you. 431 00:17:30,925 --> 00:17:32,969 Is that a Todd Oldham vest? 432 00:17:32,969 --> 00:17:34,845 - Actually, it's a Comme de Garcon. 433 00:17:34,845 --> 00:17:36,013 Oh, really? 434 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:36,806 Glass. 435 00:17:36,806 --> 00:17:37,640 Oh, I'm sorry. 436 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,350 I'll be right back. 437 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:40,351 - I'm sure people tell you all the time how you don't look 438 00:17:40,351 --> 00:17:41,769 like a private investigator. 439 00:17:41,769 --> 00:17:42,770 Yes, they do. 440 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:44,230 Yeah, I figured they did. 441 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:45,856 - Is that something you were planning on saying? 442 00:17:45,856 --> 00:17:47,066 - Me? No. 443 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:48,526 Good. 444 00:17:48,526 --> 00:17:50,236 Why don't we start going over the file? 445 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:51,320 Oh, right. 446 00:17:57,451 --> 00:17:59,996 - Dr. Croyder, during your examination 447 00:17:59,996 --> 00:18:04,333 of David Kerry, what evidence of physical illness did you find. 448 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:06,836 - Despite extensive diagnostic testing, 449 00:18:06,836 --> 00:18:09,130 I found no evidence of anything physically wrong 450 00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:10,464 with Mr. Kerry. 451 00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:11,799 - And what did you conclude was the cause 452 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:13,551 of Mr. Kerry's symptoms? 453 00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:16,596 - At the time, I concluded the cause was clinical depression. 454 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,514 Mr. Kerry's fatigue, weight loss, 455 00:18:18,514 --> 00:18:21,809 mood swings, and loss of appetite fit the criteria. 456 00:18:21,809 --> 00:18:23,894 I prescribed medication accordingly. 457 00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:25,646 - Do you recall during this period 458 00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:29,525 having a conversation with Dr. Anson on chemical sensitivity? 459 00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:32,612 - Yes, and I received and read his materials. 460 00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:35,614 - Did you consider treating Mr. Kerry for chemical sensitivity? 461 00:18:35,614 --> 00:18:36,866 No. 462 00:18:36,866 --> 00:18:38,534 I found the theory speculative and I 463 00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:40,494 wasn't about to experiment on my patients 464 00:18:40,494 --> 00:18:44,332 with treatments whose efficacy and safety was unproven. 465 00:18:44,332 --> 00:18:46,459 - Dr. Croyder, is there anything you 466 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:48,878 know now that might cause you to revise 467 00:18:48,878 --> 00:18:50,838 your diagnosis of Mr. Kerry? 468 00:18:50,838 --> 00:18:54,300 - The truth is nobody knows what's causing these symptoms. 469 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:56,802 But having seen more cases of Gulf veterans 470 00:18:56,802 --> 00:18:59,597 with these sort of problems, we have a basis 471 00:18:59,597 --> 00:19:02,058 for concluding that some sort of physiological condition 472 00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:03,392 does exist. 473 00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:05,811 So I might very well revise my diagnosis. 474 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:06,896 I have nothing further. 475 00:19:06,896 --> 00:19:09,607 [chatter] 476 00:19:09,607 --> 00:19:12,693 - Dr. Croyder, in your mind, does 477 00:19:12,693 --> 00:19:14,820 it indicate a prudent standard of care 478 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:17,365 when a patient is allowed to deteriorate to the point 479 00:19:17,365 --> 00:19:19,408 where he can't walk unassisted? 480 00:19:19,408 --> 00:19:24,372 - I watch Mr. Kerry decline with great frustration and sympathy, 481 00:19:24,372 --> 00:19:26,123 but I did everything I could for him based 482 00:19:26,123 --> 00:19:27,792 on accepted medical practice. 483 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:30,127 - Well, given that accepted medical practice 484 00:19:30,127 --> 00:19:32,004 had failed Mr. Kerry, how could you 485 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:34,298 dismiss Dr. Anson's approach? 486 00:19:34,298 --> 00:19:38,177 - I received my training at Johns Hopkins, Ms. Halliday. 487 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:41,097 I was taught not to subject my patients to the risks 488 00:19:41,097 --> 00:19:42,765 of unproven treatments. 489 00:19:42,765 --> 00:19:44,642 - You never told me a treatment existed. 490 00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:46,143 How could you know and not tell me? 491 00:19:46,143 --> 00:19:47,478 - Control your client, Ms. Halliday. 492 00:19:47,478 --> 00:19:48,813 - I mean, it should have been up to me. 493 00:19:48,813 --> 00:19:49,480 How could you know and not even tell me? 494 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:50,356 David. 495 00:19:53,275 --> 00:19:56,654 Dr. Croyder, the treatment for chemical exposure 496 00:19:56,654 --> 00:19:58,322 is virtually risk-free. 497 00:19:58,322 --> 00:20:01,283 Didn't you owe it to David Kerry to at least give it a try? 498 00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:04,328 - We see hundreds of veterans a day, Ms. Halliday. 499 00:20:04,328 --> 00:20:06,789 We do not have the time or the funds 500 00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:08,958 to try every non-conventional treatment 501 00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:10,209 that comes down the pike. 502 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:12,753 - So to be cost-effective, you gave 503 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:14,130 this man a handful of happy pills 504 00:20:14,130 --> 00:20:15,714 - and shoved him out the door? - Objection. 505 00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:17,258 Sustained. 506 00:20:17,258 --> 00:20:18,759 - The fact that he laid down his life for his country 507 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:20,052 - didn't matter? - Objection! 508 00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:21,220 Ms. Halliday. 509 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:22,972 - His country was through with him 510 00:20:22,972 --> 00:20:24,724 and you weren't about to expend the time or money to treat him. 511 00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:26,142 - Objection! - Sustained. 512 00:20:26,142 --> 00:20:27,685 - Is it possible, Doctor, that had you tried 513 00:20:27,685 --> 00:20:30,104 Dr. Anson's treatment two years ago, 514 00:20:30,104 --> 00:20:32,231 David Kerry would be well by now? 515 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:35,234 Is it possible that had you been of the mind to try, 516 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:37,570 you could have done something to help David Kerry 517 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:41,157 when he asked you for help? 518 00:20:41,157 --> 00:20:43,826 - I don't know the answer to that question. 519 00:20:43,826 --> 00:20:45,619 I have no others. 520 00:20:45,619 --> 00:20:49,123 [chatter] 521 00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:50,040 Thank you, Doctor. 522 00:20:57,590 --> 00:21:01,635 [music playing] 523 00:21:08,476 --> 00:21:11,896 If you go to war and get hit by a bullet, 524 00:21:11,896 --> 00:21:16,400 they give you a medal, and everyone wants to see the scar. 525 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,904 But when you're hit with a bolt of toxic chemicals, 526 00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:22,031 they tell you it's all in your head. 527 00:21:22,031 --> 00:21:25,242 Like hundreds of other Desert Storm veterans, 528 00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:28,496 David Kerry came home sick, only to face 529 00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:32,208 skepticism and denial from those charged with making him well. 530 00:21:32,208 --> 00:21:35,211 It was Dr. Croyder's job to do everything 531 00:21:35,211 --> 00:21:37,922 in his power to relieve David Kerry's suffering. 532 00:21:37,922 --> 00:21:41,842 Not only did he fail to do so, but by choosing to ignore 533 00:21:41,842 --> 00:21:44,804 a promising therapy, heaped enormous and needless amounts 534 00:21:44,804 --> 00:21:46,555 of suffering onto his patient. 535 00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:48,849 If not for Dr. Croyder's inaction, 536 00:21:48,849 --> 00:21:52,436 David Kerry would be able to walk right now without using 537 00:21:52,436 --> 00:21:56,190 a cane, he would be able to climb a flight of stairs 538 00:21:56,190 --> 00:21:58,317 without gasping for breath. 539 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:00,694 David Kerry deserved better. 540 00:22:00,694 --> 00:22:04,323 All of the men and women who risk their lives in service 541 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,493 of our country deserve better 542 00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:11,539 Dr. Croyder got the physician's credo mixed up. 543 00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:16,168 Instead of first do no harm, he heard first do nothing. 544 00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:19,088 And by doing nothing, he caused David 545 00:22:19,088 --> 00:22:24,385 Kerry a great deal of harm, harm from which 546 00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:26,595 he will never recover. 547 00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:30,224 [chatter] 548 00:22:31,475 --> 00:22:33,894 - Standard of care, that's the guideline 549 00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:38,065 you look to when judging whether a doctor acted negligently. 550 00:22:38,065 --> 00:22:40,526 And Dr. Croyder acted no differently 551 00:22:40,526 --> 00:22:43,571 in caring for Mr. Kerry than any responsible physician 552 00:22:43,571 --> 00:22:44,738 would have. 553 00:22:44,738 --> 00:22:46,949 The fact is nobody could pin down 554 00:22:46,949 --> 00:22:51,161 this disease two years ago, and they can't pin it down now. 555 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:52,997 All we have are theories. 556 00:22:52,997 --> 00:22:55,874 Against these odds, Dr. Croyder and his staff 557 00:22:55,874 --> 00:22:58,460 worked diligently to try to find out 558 00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:00,421 what was wrong with Mr. Kerry. 559 00:23:00,421 --> 00:23:02,798 The fact that Dr. Croyder had read some literature 560 00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:06,176 about a non-traditional method of treatment in no way 561 00:23:06,176 --> 00:23:08,470 obliged him to experiment with it, 562 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:10,389 especially when he had such serious doubts 563 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:12,516 about its efficacy and safety. 564 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:14,977 Dr. Croyder is not an incompetent 565 00:23:14,977 --> 00:23:17,438 or a negligent physician. 566 00:23:17,438 --> 00:23:21,108 He is a kind and caring doctor who treated 567 00:23:21,108 --> 00:23:23,068 his patients as best he could. 568 00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:30,910 Hey, don't ignore me, man. 569 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:32,453 Hey, I'm a human being. 570 00:23:32,453 --> 00:23:34,371 - How much subterfuge should we be using here? 571 00:23:34,371 --> 00:23:35,581 Excuse me. 572 00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:36,624 - Can't you pretend to be husband 573 00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:38,000 and wife looking at paintings? 574 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,627 - You know, I could be wrong, but somehow I 575 00:23:39,627 --> 00:23:41,920 don't think this woman is going to be all that interested 576 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,297 in our marital status. 577 00:23:43,297 --> 00:23:44,089 So no subterfuge? 578 00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:46,258 - Mm-mm. 579 00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:47,593 You're Pamela Riesenfelt? 580 00:23:47,593 --> 00:23:49,011 Yes, I am. 581 00:23:49,011 --> 00:23:51,221 - We'd like to talk to you about Jonah Burgee. 582 00:23:51,221 --> 00:23:52,264 Who are you? 583 00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:53,432 I'm a private investigator. 584 00:23:53,432 --> 00:23:55,017 My name is Jinx Baldesseri. 585 00:23:55,017 --> 00:23:56,101 This is Eli Levinson. 586 00:23:56,101 --> 00:23:56,936 He's an attorney. 587 00:23:56,936 --> 00:23:58,312 Hi. 588 00:23:58,312 --> 00:23:59,938 - I really have nothing to say about Jonah. 589 00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:02,066 And if that's what you're here to talk to me about, 590 00:24:02,066 --> 00:24:03,776 I'd like to ask you to leave. 591 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:05,402 You don't want to talk to us? 592 00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,029 - No, I don't want to talk to you. 593 00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:08,530 - If I get a subpoena issued, you'll 594 00:24:08,530 --> 00:24:10,032 have to testify in court. 595 00:24:10,032 --> 00:24:11,700 If you talk to us, we may find there's no reason 596 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,202 to put you through that. 597 00:24:13,202 --> 00:24:15,496 - Look, I don't know anything about Gail's death. 598 00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:17,247 I'm sure you don't. 599 00:24:17,247 --> 00:24:19,249 What I'm looking for is just a little background information. 600 00:24:19,249 --> 00:24:20,876 - What kind of background information? 601 00:24:20,876 --> 00:24:22,252 [sighs] 602 00:24:22,252 --> 00:24:23,837 - What kind of shape was Jonah's marriage in? 603 00:24:23,837 --> 00:24:25,923 I don't know what that means. 604 00:24:25,923 --> 00:24:27,800 - Was he planning on getting a divorce? 605 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,385 I wouldn't know. 606 00:24:29,385 --> 00:24:31,804 - How long had the two of you been sleeping together 607 00:24:31,804 --> 00:24:33,347 when his wife was murdered? 608 00:24:33,347 --> 00:24:35,182 - I can't believe you're asking me that. 609 00:24:35,182 --> 00:24:38,435 - That 1993 Jaguar you're driving is registered to him. 610 00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:41,605 If you are trying to hide the nature of your relationship, 611 00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:44,817 you're not doing a very good job. 612 00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:47,319 This discussion is over. 613 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:48,862 I want you both to leave. 614 00:24:48,862 --> 00:24:50,906 - This is a murder trial, Ms. Riesenfelt. 615 00:24:50,906 --> 00:24:54,284 There are no secrets anymore. 616 00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:55,160 Come on. 617 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,418 Be seated. 618 00:25:02,418 --> 00:25:03,836 - Your Honor, at this time, defense would like 619 00:25:03,836 --> 00:25:05,295 to call Philomena Bannister. 620 00:25:05,295 --> 00:25:06,964 - Ms. Mitchell, where's your client? 621 00:25:06,964 --> 00:25:08,882 Your Honor, I apologize. 622 00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:10,759 She said she'd be right back. 623 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:13,887 - (WHISPERING) Your Honor, she's in your chambers. 624 00:25:13,887 --> 00:25:16,515 She's what? 625 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:17,516 Are you kidding? 626 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:18,350 Mm. 627 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:19,143 I love the fit. 628 00:25:19,143 --> 00:25:19,977 I love the color. 629 00:25:19,977 --> 00:25:21,353 I love the material. 630 00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:23,772 - And I'll bet you love unicorns, don't you? 631 00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:25,941 Yvonne, I love those unicorns. 632 00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:27,609 - Excuse me, Your Honor, case closed. 633 00:25:27,609 --> 00:25:29,278 We got exhibit A right here. 634 00:25:29,278 --> 00:25:31,238 - Your Honor, I want this excluded from the proceedings. 635 00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:32,865 I do not want the jury told about this. 636 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,450 I'll just be one minute. 637 00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:36,076 - Never mind telling the jury. Just bring them in here. 638 00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:37,745 Let them take a look for themselves. 639 00:25:37,745 --> 00:25:39,163 - There will be no mention of this in front of the jury. 640 00:25:39,163 --> 00:25:40,205 [honking] 641 00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:41,915 There's the bargain signal. 642 00:25:41,915 --> 00:25:44,001 This must be your lucky day, Philomena, because right now-- 643 00:25:44,001 --> 00:25:45,711 - I want everyone back in that courtroom. 644 00:25:45,711 --> 00:25:47,921 I want to continue this trial in an orderly fashion. 645 00:25:47,921 --> 00:25:49,673 Now, get out of my chambers. 646 00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:57,473 - Ms. Bannister, would you tell the court 647 00:25:57,473 --> 00:25:59,600 if you are currently in therapy for treatment 648 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,852 of an obsessive compulsive disorder? 649 00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:03,270 Yes, I am. 650 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:05,773 - And it's a fact, is it not, that when you talk 651 00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:08,025 to your husband and your therapist and others 652 00:26:08,025 --> 00:26:11,111 about shopping via this television channel, 653 00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:14,406 you didn't just refer to the merchandise you ordered? 654 00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:16,325 - Oh, there's more to it than the merchandise. 655 00:26:16,325 --> 00:26:17,743 I acknowledge that. 656 00:26:17,743 --> 00:26:22,039 - You referred to each of on air hosts by name? 657 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,417 You referred to feeling a sense of physical exhilaration 658 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:27,878 each time they announced a price reduction 659 00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:30,422 by tooting a bicycle horn. 660 00:26:30,422 --> 00:26:34,051 - I know I'm a compulsive shopper. 661 00:26:34,051 --> 00:26:35,761 And I know that some people might 662 00:26:35,761 --> 00:26:39,181 find me ridiculous or pathetic. 663 00:26:39,181 --> 00:26:41,683 But no matter what my therapist says, 664 00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:45,562 I don't shop because there's something missing in my life 665 00:26:45,562 --> 00:26:51,610 or because I'm secretly angry with my husband. 666 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,320 I'm sorry, Howard. 667 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,906 I look at your face and I know you're trying so hard to do 668 00:26:55,906 --> 00:26:58,617 what you think is best for us. 669 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:04,748 I shop because I love to. 670 00:27:04,748 --> 00:27:07,835 I love everything about it. 671 00:27:07,835 --> 00:27:11,338 I love picking up the phone and placing the order. 672 00:27:11,338 --> 00:27:13,674 I love standing at my window every morning 673 00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:16,885 watching the truck arrive right on schedule, 674 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:18,595 asking the delivery man about his kids 675 00:27:18,595 --> 00:27:21,181 while I sign for my package. 676 00:27:21,181 --> 00:27:25,644 I love slicing open the packing tape and opening the box 677 00:27:25,644 --> 00:27:28,730 and seeing what I got new today. 678 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:30,399 I'm a housewife. 679 00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:33,110 I've been married to the same man for 20 years, 680 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:35,279 lived in the same house for 15. 681 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,115 The basics of my life don't change very much from day 682 00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:41,577 to day, and I don't expect they ever will, but that's OK. 683 00:27:41,577 --> 00:27:44,204 I'm not looking for a lot of excitement. 684 00:27:44,204 --> 00:27:47,291 So I call the American Buying Network. 685 00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:52,379 And I chat with the hosts. 686 00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,757 And then I buy something, maybe a piece of jewelry 687 00:27:55,757 --> 00:27:59,511 or a blouse or even something silly like a ceramic duck. 688 00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:01,805 But at that moment-- 689 00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:04,266 I feel sustained-- 690 00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:07,102 I feel happy-- 691 00:28:07,102 --> 00:28:08,812 I have something new. 692 00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:15,652 Please be seated. 693 00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:25,120 - The clerk will read the verdict. 694 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:31,627 - In the matter of Kerry versus the United States of America, 695 00:28:31,627 --> 00:28:34,504 the jury finds for the defendant. 696 00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:36,840 - Jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court. 697 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,091 We are adjourned. 698 00:28:38,091 --> 00:28:39,551 [gavel thuds] 699 00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:41,428 I'm sorry, David. 700 00:28:41,428 --> 00:28:43,472 - Well, we gave it a shot, right? 701 00:28:43,472 --> 00:28:46,475 We'll appeal. 702 00:28:46,475 --> 00:28:48,268 Right. 703 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:50,479 - Come on, why don't you let me give you a ride home? 704 00:28:50,479 --> 00:28:51,939 No, I can get home by myself. 705 00:28:51,939 --> 00:28:54,858 I think I'll just sit here for a little while. 706 00:28:54,858 --> 00:28:56,151 Sure? 707 00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:58,612 Yeah. 708 00:28:58,612 --> 00:28:59,446 OK. 709 00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:13,335 I'd like to see Eli Levinson. 710 00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:14,753 You are? 711 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:15,921 - Jonah Burgee. - Do you have an appointment? 712 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:17,130 - No, I don't have an appointment. 713 00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:18,757 - [scoffs] - What's with the attitude? 714 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:20,676 I just asked a question. 715 00:29:20,676 --> 00:29:22,219 I don't have an appointment. 716 00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:24,054 - Well, then how did you get past reception? 717 00:29:24,054 --> 00:29:25,389 I lied. 718 00:29:25,389 --> 00:29:26,848 Oh. 719 00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:30,310 Let me see if Eli's available. 720 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:31,395 - Yeah? - Eli? 721 00:29:31,395 --> 00:29:32,646 What? 722 00:29:32,646 --> 00:29:34,272 - Yeah, there's a Jonah Burgee here. 723 00:29:34,272 --> 00:29:35,732 What does he want? 724 00:29:35,732 --> 00:29:36,858 I have no idea. 725 00:29:36,858 --> 00:29:37,651 Yeah. 726 00:29:37,651 --> 00:29:38,443 Send him in. 727 00:29:38,443 --> 00:29:40,278 OK. 728 00:29:40,278 --> 00:29:41,321 Come right this way. 729 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:51,498 - What can I do for you, Mr. Burgee? 730 00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:54,501 - You can honor a very simple request. 731 00:29:54,501 --> 00:29:56,878 If you're interested in me, you come to me. 732 00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:59,881 Don't violate the privacy of other people. 733 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,467 - Are you willing to answer a few questions? 734 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:05,137 What is it that you would like to know? 735 00:30:05,137 --> 00:30:07,556 - How long have you been going out with Pamela Riesenfelt? 736 00:30:07,556 --> 00:30:09,307 - I don't know what you mean by going out. 737 00:30:09,307 --> 00:30:11,018 We've been friends for a number of years. 738 00:30:11,018 --> 00:30:12,602 - Were the two of you having an affair 739 00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:13,979 while your wife was alive? 740 00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:15,647 - I assume that the import of that question 741 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:17,899 is that if we were, I killed my wife. 742 00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:19,317 - I'm just trying to get a picture 743 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:20,652 of who everyone is in all this. 744 00:30:20,652 --> 00:30:22,237 [chuckles] 745 00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:23,655 - You know, whenever I've had dealings with lawyers, 746 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:26,867 I'm always struck by how utterly amoral they are. 747 00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:27,951 Really? 748 00:30:27,951 --> 00:30:29,453 - You're willing to go into court 749 00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:31,955 and spread absolute falsehoods. 750 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:33,707 You're willing to impugn me. 751 00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:36,001 You're willing to encroach on the lives of innocent people, 752 00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:38,670 not because you actually think that I'm guilty of anything, 753 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:41,006 but as a way of manufacturing doubt about whether or not 754 00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:42,591 your client is guilty. 755 00:30:42,591 --> 00:30:44,885 It's amazing you're totally unconcerned with what 756 00:30:44,885 --> 00:30:46,178 actually happened. 757 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:47,763 - I don't know what actually happened. 758 00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:50,223 OK. 759 00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:52,726 I'm not going to answer any more questions. 760 00:30:52,726 --> 00:30:54,853 If I'm called to the stand, I'll testify, 761 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:58,065 but I don't want to answer any more questions voluntarily. 762 00:30:58,065 --> 00:31:01,068 I find what you're doing deeply offensive, 763 00:31:01,068 --> 00:31:02,736 and I'm not going to cooperate with you. 764 00:31:02,736 --> 00:31:05,322 - I didn't really expect that you would. 765 00:31:05,322 --> 00:31:08,533 - By the way, someone told me that you're a patient 766 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:12,245 of Max Binderman's. 767 00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:13,872 What someone was that? 768 00:31:13,872 --> 00:31:15,999 I don't know who it was. 769 00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:19,044 They said that you had a major breakdown a couple of years ago 770 00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:21,004 and that you've been under Max's care. 771 00:31:21,004 --> 00:31:23,423 The reason I mention it is that Max and I were 772 00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:24,966 in graduate school together. 773 00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:26,843 - I didn't realize you were trained in psychology. 774 00:31:26,843 --> 00:31:28,553 - One of my doctorates is in psychology. 775 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:30,222 I just never practiced. 776 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,099 - Uh-huh. 777 00:31:32,099 --> 00:31:35,060 - Anyway, say hi to Max for me-- 778 00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:36,061 when you talk to him. 779 00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:46,822 - Compulsive shopping disorder, it sounds like a joke. 780 00:31:46,822 --> 00:31:50,200 I assure you, ladies and gentlemen, to those facing 781 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,202 bankruptcy, it is no joke. 782 00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:55,664 An addiction to shopping is just like any other addiction. 783 00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:59,793 It robs you of your free will, and it takes over your life. 784 00:31:59,793 --> 00:32:03,296 This particular addiction is a little different, though. 785 00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:06,133 This addiction is actively encouraged 786 00:32:06,133 --> 00:32:09,094 by a powerful broadcast network that 787 00:32:09,094 --> 00:32:11,471 lures in people like Philomena. 788 00:32:11,471 --> 00:32:14,641 They get them and they don't let them go. 789 00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:18,770 Gerard Atkins claims he is not familiar with this disorder. 790 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,982 The truth is he is all too familiar with it. 791 00:32:21,982 --> 00:32:24,776 He's made a fortune exploiting it. 792 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:28,155 The American Buying Network is designed 793 00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:31,032 to extract every dime they can from people 794 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:32,742 like Philomena Bannister. 795 00:32:32,742 --> 00:32:36,288 They came into her home, they pretended to be her friend, 796 00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:39,791 and then they systematically drove both her and her husband 797 00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:43,086 to the brink of financial ruin. 798 00:32:43,086 --> 00:32:48,175 We ask that damages be assessed in the amount of half a million 799 00:32:48,175 --> 00:32:52,929 dollars to make these two whole and to tell this corporation 800 00:32:52,929 --> 00:32:57,976 its behavior isn't justified by the fact that it made the sale. 801 00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:10,322 - Philomena Bannister loves to shop. 802 00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,616 We all heard her testimony. 803 00:33:12,616 --> 00:33:15,660 Howard Bannister thinks his wife shops too much. 804 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,537 Do I think she shops too much? 805 00:33:17,537 --> 00:33:19,289 Uh, maybe I do. 806 00:33:19,289 --> 00:33:21,124 But the truth is whatever anybody thinks 807 00:33:21,124 --> 00:33:23,460 about how much Philomena Bannister shops, 808 00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:25,212 it's none of anybody's business. 809 00:33:25,212 --> 00:33:28,048 And if you doubt that, ask yourselves this, 810 00:33:28,048 --> 00:33:31,051 is it anybody's business how much you shop? 811 00:33:31,051 --> 00:33:34,221 Philomena Bannister is seeing a therapist who says she has 812 00:33:34,221 --> 00:33:36,056 shopping compulsion disorder. 813 00:33:36,056 --> 00:33:38,391 Now, the fact is there's no listing 814 00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:39,809 for this disorder in the American 815 00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:42,395 Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic Manual. 816 00:33:42,395 --> 00:33:44,147 Howard Bannister couldn't tell us 817 00:33:44,147 --> 00:33:47,525 one identifying characteristic, yet he expected the American 818 00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:50,904 Buying Network to take his word for it 819 00:33:50,904 --> 00:33:53,323 and act in the capacity of a surrogate parent 820 00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:57,118 by refusing to sell to this woman what she asked to buy. 821 00:33:57,118 --> 00:33:59,579 Was the American Buying Network negligent? 822 00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:00,997 No. 823 00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:03,959 No, the American Buying Network is a business, 824 00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:06,294 and they do make a profit, but that does not 825 00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,546 make them responsible for the personal choices 826 00:34:08,546 --> 00:34:10,048 of their customers. 827 00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:11,800 It does not make it their responsibility to decide 828 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,927 who can and cannot shop. 829 00:34:13,927 --> 00:34:16,388 And frankly, ladies and gentlemen, I'm glad 830 00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:18,765 they don't have that power. 831 00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:21,851 I'm glad that each and every one of us 832 00:34:21,851 --> 00:34:23,645 is free to make our own choices. 833 00:34:23,645 --> 00:34:27,732 Because you see, the minute we make someone else responsible, 834 00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:29,776 we give our freedom away. 835 00:34:36,241 --> 00:34:37,450 Hi. 836 00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:38,618 Hi, Sandy. 837 00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:39,786 Hi, ma. 838 00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:41,288 - I got you some reading material. 839 00:34:41,288 --> 00:34:43,331 I didn't really know what your current tastes are, 840 00:34:43,331 --> 00:34:44,749 so I picked out some stuff that I 841 00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,460 liked, Larry McMurtry, Jim Harrison, 842 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:48,586 some mysteries, magazines. 843 00:34:48,586 --> 00:34:50,505 Dad, it's a little too much. 844 00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:53,049 - Pick out what you like and I'll bring the rest back. 845 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:54,301 No, it's all too much. 846 00:34:54,301 --> 00:34:55,927 There's too much coming in. 847 00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:59,389 I can't keep track of other people's stories and plots 848 00:34:59,389 --> 00:35:03,143 and characters and some magazine article about something 849 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:05,312 different and-- and advertisements. 850 00:35:05,312 --> 00:35:08,398 I can't keep track of all that. 851 00:35:08,398 --> 00:35:09,983 OK. 852 00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:11,651 - Is there something that we need to discuss today? 853 00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:13,320 - There are a couple of things I wanted to ask you. 854 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,571 Come on, Ed, let's go. 855 00:35:14,571 --> 00:35:16,197 Is it necessary that we go? 856 00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:18,241 Sandy, do you mind if we stay? 857 00:35:18,241 --> 00:35:19,075 Do what you want. 858 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,749 What do you want to ask me? 859 00:35:25,749 --> 00:35:27,375 - Did you ever meet Gail's husband? 860 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:28,877 No. 861 00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:30,712 - He was never in the office when you were there? 862 00:35:30,712 --> 00:35:32,130 - I don't know what he looks like. 863 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:33,465 - So you have no way of knowing whether or not 864 00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:35,300 he was in the office when you were there? 865 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:37,135 Right. 866 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:38,261 OK. 867 00:35:38,261 --> 00:35:39,929 Is that it? 868 00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:41,931 - Sandy-- can you tell me where you were in the morning 869 00:35:41,931 --> 00:35:43,683 Gayle was killed? 870 00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:44,934 Yeah, I was in my room. 871 00:35:44,934 --> 00:35:46,227 - Can you think of anybody who might 872 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:47,771 have seen you in your room? 873 00:35:47,771 --> 00:35:48,605 No. 874 00:35:48,605 --> 00:35:49,606 No one came by? 875 00:35:49,606 --> 00:35:50,482 No. 876 00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:52,859 Did you go out to eat? 877 00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:54,152 OK. 878 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:56,237 Next week, we start picking the jury. 879 00:35:56,237 --> 00:35:58,156 Then we go to trial. 880 00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:59,949 Right. 881 00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:02,452 - You need clothes for your trial. 882 00:36:02,452 --> 00:36:03,787 Do you have clothes? 883 00:36:03,787 --> 00:36:05,789 Yeah. 884 00:36:05,789 --> 00:36:07,749 Back in your room? 885 00:36:07,749 --> 00:36:08,792 Yeah. 886 00:36:08,792 --> 00:36:10,460 We'll go get them. 887 00:36:10,460 --> 00:36:12,879 - Wait, if I'm found guilty, they won't keep me here, right? 888 00:36:12,879 --> 00:36:14,964 - Don't be thinking about being found guilty. 889 00:36:14,964 --> 00:36:17,342 - Well, excuse me, I'm sorry, but I am thinking about it. 890 00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:19,052 And the question I have is whether or not 891 00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:22,514 they're going to keep me here or move me someplace else. 892 00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:24,015 - They'll move you someplace else. 893 00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:24,849 OK. 894 00:36:30,772 --> 00:36:31,648 OK, are you done? 895 00:36:31,648 --> 00:36:33,858 Let's go. 896 00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:35,985 - So nobody smokes around here, huh? 897 00:36:35,985 --> 00:36:37,195 - No, I don't-- 898 00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:38,154 I don't think anyone here smokes. 899 00:36:38,154 --> 00:36:39,864 Oh. 900 00:36:39,864 --> 00:36:41,366 - We had a temp who used to blow reefer in the stairwell. 901 00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:43,284 Other than that, I don't think anybody smokes. 902 00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:45,120 - So if I want to smoke, I have to go up with the elevator 903 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,454 to the ladies room, huh? 904 00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:47,956 - Yeah, unless you want to risk incurring 905 00:36:47,956 --> 00:36:49,457 the wrath of your coworkers. 906 00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:51,084 - Damn, if there was a nun pounding on the door, 907 00:36:51,084 --> 00:36:52,544 I'd feel like I was right back in high school. 908 00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:53,712 Let me help you with that. 909 00:36:53,712 --> 00:36:54,879 - Uh, you're Jane Halliday, right? 910 00:36:54,879 --> 00:36:55,922 Yes. 911 00:36:55,922 --> 00:36:57,257 Uh, you have a call, line two. 912 00:36:57,257 --> 00:36:58,383 Here. 913 00:36:58,383 --> 00:36:59,384 Thank you. 914 00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:00,218 Hello? 915 00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:05,640 I'll be down in front of the building. 916 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,183 What's wrong? 917 00:37:07,183 --> 00:37:11,062 - My client's about to jump off a freeway overpass. 918 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:12,605 Ooh! 919 00:37:12,605 --> 00:37:15,191 [chatter] 920 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,030 [tires screeching] 921 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:22,240 How long has he been there? 922 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,742 About an hour. 923 00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,076 We can't get close to him, but maybe you could. 924 00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:25,910 David! 925 00:37:28,538 --> 00:37:31,583 David-- I'm coming over there. 926 00:37:41,426 --> 00:37:42,302 It's all right. 927 00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:57,525 I'm just-- I'm just coming a little closer. 928 00:37:57,525 --> 00:38:00,320 I'm just going to sit right here. 929 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,154 OK? 930 00:38:07,494 --> 00:38:10,538 - They made me beg like one of those guys 931 00:38:10,538 --> 00:38:13,041 with the signs that stands by the freeway entrance. 932 00:38:13,041 --> 00:38:15,627 - David, you never asked for anything you didn't deserve. 933 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:17,128 - You know, when I was 24 years old, 934 00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:20,340 I was the youngest staff sergeant at Fort Sill. 935 00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:22,509 I was responsible for 40 men. 936 00:38:22,509 --> 00:38:26,346 I led my men into battle and I distinguished myself in combat. 937 00:38:26,346 --> 00:38:28,097 - I've already filed a notice of appeals. 938 00:38:28,097 --> 00:38:29,516 I intend to pursue this. 939 00:38:29,516 --> 00:38:32,018 I'll never be a soldier again. 940 00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:34,395 I'll never get my wife back again. 941 00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:36,439 I'll never be able to walk up a flight of stairs 942 00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:38,483 without having to sit down! 943 00:38:38,483 --> 00:38:40,818 - That's no reason to end your life. 944 00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:42,529 [chuckles] 945 00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:45,907 - Are you going to give me some article of religious faith? 946 00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:48,785 Are you going to quote me some scripture? 947 00:38:48,785 --> 00:38:51,412 I can if you want me to. 948 00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:53,122 Sure. 949 00:38:53,122 --> 00:38:56,876 You tell me what the Bible says I should do. 950 00:38:56,876 --> 00:39:00,964 - The Bible says, wait for the Lord, 951 00:39:00,964 --> 00:39:03,591 be strong and wait for the Lord. 952 00:39:03,591 --> 00:39:06,678 If God is for us, who shall be against us? 953 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:10,807 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? 954 00:39:10,807 --> 00:39:13,935 And that does it for you, huh? 955 00:39:13,935 --> 00:39:16,312 Praying does it for me. 956 00:39:16,312 --> 00:39:21,651 When I feel confused or depressed, I pray. 957 00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:23,069 I ask God to guide me. 958 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:24,487 I ask him to show me the way. 959 00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:26,322 - Well, I asked God to guide me, but I haven't 960 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:28,074 heard back from Him yet. 961 00:39:28,074 --> 00:39:31,953 - You don't know any more than I know what the future holds. 962 00:39:31,953 --> 00:39:35,915 You could find things that make you grateful for every year 963 00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:37,667 of life you're given. 964 00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:39,919 Is this God talking? 965 00:39:39,919 --> 00:39:41,880 No, it's me talking. 966 00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:52,932 David, I want you to take my hand and come down from here. 967 00:39:52,932 --> 00:39:54,601 I want you to take my hand. 968 00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:04,902 - I just want to have someone care about me. 969 00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:06,863 Stay ready. 970 00:40:06,863 --> 00:40:10,783 - You have someone who cares about you. 971 00:40:10,783 --> 00:40:11,618 You have me. 972 00:40:20,335 --> 00:40:21,961 - Has the jury reached a verdict? 973 00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:23,212 We have, Your Honor. 974 00:40:23,212 --> 00:40:24,839 What say you? 975 00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:27,175 - In the matter of Bannister versus the American Buying 976 00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:29,886 Network, we find for the defendant. 977 00:40:29,886 --> 00:40:32,096 - The jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court. 978 00:40:32,096 --> 00:40:33,473 We are adjourned. 979 00:40:33,473 --> 00:40:37,352 [chatter] 980 00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:39,395 Don't think this is over. 981 00:40:39,395 --> 00:40:41,147 I'll appeal. 982 00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:42,857 - Mr. Bannister, Mrs. Bannister, I'd like to discuss an idea 983 00:40:42,857 --> 00:40:44,776 I had. Is there someplace we can talk? 984 00:40:44,776 --> 00:40:45,610 Sure. 985 00:40:50,907 --> 00:40:52,241 What are you proposing? 986 00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:53,493 We're proposing a job. 987 00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:54,869 What? 988 00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:56,871 - I was watching you testify, Mrs. Bannister, 989 00:40:56,871 --> 00:40:59,666 and I wasn't visualizing you on the witness stand. 990 00:40:59,666 --> 00:41:01,834 I was visualizing you being broadcast 991 00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:04,253 into 43 million homes. 992 00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:05,630 What are you talking about? 993 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,548 - I'm talking about offering you a position 994 00:41:07,548 --> 00:41:10,593 at the American Buying Network as an on-air product host. 995 00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:11,552 Oh, no. 996 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:13,304 We have the technology. 997 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:14,430 What we don't want to lose is the humanity, and that's you, 998 00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:15,556 Mrs. Bannister. 999 00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:16,974 That's me? 1000 00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:18,309 - I believe you embody all the qualities that 1001 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:19,936 will keep us grounded, all the qualities 1002 00:41:19,936 --> 00:41:21,646 our customers can relate to. 1003 00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:24,732 I believe you are the American Buying Network customer. 1004 00:41:24,732 --> 00:41:26,275 Really? 1005 00:41:26,275 --> 00:41:27,777 - We'd be willing to negotiate a substantial salary 1006 00:41:27,777 --> 00:41:29,028 plus a signing bonus. 1007 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:30,405 Plus, you forgive the debt? 1008 00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:31,781 Plus, we'll forgive the debt. 1009 00:41:31,781 --> 00:41:33,783 - And you agree not to sell her anything? 1010 00:41:33,783 --> 00:41:35,618 Done. 1011 00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:37,787 - Gosh, I don't know what to say. 1012 00:41:37,787 --> 00:41:39,038 Say yes. 1013 00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:40,707 - Now, wait a minute, wait a minute, 1014 00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:42,125 I'm going to stop being a lawyer here just for a second 1015 00:41:42,125 --> 00:41:43,793 and ask a question just as someone who's watched 1016 00:41:43,793 --> 00:41:45,169 you throughout the trial. 1017 00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:46,671 Is it a good idea for you to be surrounded 1018 00:41:46,671 --> 00:41:48,131 by this much temptation? 1019 00:41:48,131 --> 00:41:50,466 - Oh, Mr. Rollins, I'm surrounded by temptation 1020 00:41:50,466 --> 00:41:52,176 every day of my life. 1021 00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:53,553 I'm in therapy. 1022 00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:55,596 I realize the effect my extravagances 1023 00:41:55,596 --> 00:41:57,140 have had on my husband. 1024 00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:59,183 And I know that in order for our marriage to survive, 1025 00:41:59,183 --> 00:42:00,977 I must learn to control them. 1026 00:42:00,977 --> 00:42:05,773 So if I succumb to temptation, I will quit. 1027 00:42:05,773 --> 00:42:06,983 OK. 1028 00:42:06,983 --> 00:42:07,984 - But right now, I'm going to go home 1029 00:42:07,984 --> 00:42:09,277 and figure out what to wear. 1030 00:42:09,277 --> 00:42:10,486 - Oh, we'll give you a help with that. 1031 00:42:10,486 --> 00:42:11,362 We'll give you a complete orientation 1032 00:42:11,362 --> 00:42:12,363 before we go on the air. 1033 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:14,323 Wonderful! 1034 00:42:14,323 --> 00:42:17,535 - I believe that you and I are going to have a lot of 1035 00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:20,538 fun together. 1036 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:23,082 [knocking on door] 1037 00:42:23,082 --> 00:42:24,959 - I heard there was a little excitement today. 1038 00:42:24,959 --> 00:42:27,211 - Well, I guess you could call it that. 1039 00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:29,464 - And I'm glad to hear he's all right. 1040 00:42:29,464 --> 00:42:31,048 He's alive. 1041 00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:32,884 I wouldn't say he's all right. 1042 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:34,510 Let me get to the point. 1043 00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:36,804 I understand you intend to move forward with an appeal. 1044 00:42:36,804 --> 00:42:38,347 I'd like to see if we can avoid that. 1045 00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:40,683 What do you propose? 1046 00:42:40,683 --> 00:42:46,230 - $250,000, full and final payment. 1047 00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:48,816 The only condition being absolute confidentiality. 1048 00:42:48,816 --> 00:42:51,778 - Suicidal veterans make for bad press, don't they? 1049 00:42:51,778 --> 00:42:54,197 - As do overly eager young attorneys with a great deal 1050 00:42:54,197 --> 00:42:55,782 of time on their hands. 1051 00:42:55,782 --> 00:42:58,576 - Mr. Hygate, just so you know, I'm not overly eager 1052 00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:00,369 and I don't have a lot of time on my hands. 1053 00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:03,414 What I have is a client whom I believe in. 1054 00:43:03,414 --> 00:43:05,958 I'm prepared to pursue his case for as long as necessary 1055 00:43:05,958 --> 00:43:08,461 until he feels he's been adequately compensated. 1056 00:43:08,461 --> 00:43:10,296 - And I think a quarter of a million dollars 1057 00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:12,757 qualifies, wouldn't you? 1058 00:43:12,757 --> 00:43:14,967 I'll talk to my client. 1059 00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:18,179 I appreciate that. 1060 00:43:18,179 --> 00:43:19,680 We'd like this to be over. 1061 00:43:25,061 --> 00:43:29,023 - My God, this is where he lives? 1062 00:43:29,023 --> 00:43:32,902 [distant yelling] 1063 00:43:37,949 --> 00:43:41,744 - Let's take what there is to take and go. 1064 00:43:41,744 --> 00:43:44,372 It's like a cell. 1065 00:43:44,372 --> 00:43:47,250 - What I'd like to know is how he was able to pay for it. 1066 00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:49,961 Cell or no cell, it costs money. 1067 00:43:49,961 --> 00:43:52,713 - I don't know how he paid for it. 1068 00:43:52,713 --> 00:43:54,257 He wasn't working. 1069 00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:56,134 It's paid for through the end of the month. 1070 00:43:56,134 --> 00:43:57,468 Where did he get the money? 1071 00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,470 - Should we at least fold his things 1072 00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:01,055 so they don't get all wrinkled? 1073 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:03,057 - I think we're best off just buying him something to 1074 00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:04,433 wear, Ed. 1075 00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:06,185 - I know, but he should hang his things up. 1076 00:44:06,185 --> 00:44:07,478 He's got a closet. 1077 00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:09,021 He's got hangers. 1078 00:44:09,021 --> 00:44:10,940 He should hang his things up when he takes them 1079 00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:12,900 off so when he puts them back on again, 1080 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:14,402 they don't get all wrinkled. 1081 00:44:14,402 --> 00:44:16,112 Then he wouldn't have to send them out 1082 00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,531 to be dry cleaned as much, and they wouldn't look like hell 1083 00:44:18,531 --> 00:44:19,657 when he put them back on. 1084 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:20,533 Hang them up! 1085 00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:21,868 You get into the habit. 1086 00:44:21,868 --> 00:44:23,578 When you take them off, you hang them up. 1087 00:44:23,578 --> 00:44:25,538 - Stop talking about him as though he's 1088 00:44:25,538 --> 00:44:27,164 well, as though he's normal. 1089 00:44:27,164 --> 00:44:28,332 He's not well! 1090 00:44:28,332 --> 00:44:30,710 He's not normal. 1091 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:32,962 OK, assume he's not. 1092 00:44:32,962 --> 00:44:34,463 What should we do, Rae? 1093 00:44:34,463 --> 00:44:35,965 Should we just forget about him? 1094 00:44:35,965 --> 00:44:37,466 Should we write him off and let him die? 1095 00:44:37,466 --> 00:44:38,759 Is that what you want to do? 1096 00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:40,261 - Folks, you can't turn on each other. 1097 00:44:40,261 --> 00:44:41,971 - You know, sometimes I get the feeling that she'd 1098 00:44:41,971 --> 00:44:43,639 just rather be done with him. 1099 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:45,683 I get the feeling that it's too much trouble, that you'd 1100 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:47,351 rather not be bothered. 1101 00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:51,355 - The way he pays for this room is that I send him money. 1102 00:44:51,355 --> 00:44:52,273 You do? 1103 00:44:52,273 --> 00:44:54,150 Yes. 1104 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:55,985 - So you've known where he's been. 1105 00:44:55,985 --> 00:44:59,488 - I send a money order to a post office box. 1106 00:44:59,488 --> 00:45:00,948 I knew he was in LA. 1107 00:45:00,948 --> 00:45:03,284 That's all I knew. 1108 00:45:03,284 --> 00:45:04,785 - Why didn't you say something, Rae? 1109 00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:06,037 Why didn't you tell me? 1110 00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:07,580 - Because I knew you'd try to find him. 1111 00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:09,749 - What would have been wrong with that? 1112 00:45:09,749 --> 00:45:10,917 Didn't you want to find him? 1113 00:45:10,917 --> 00:45:12,293 No! 1114 00:45:12,293 --> 00:45:13,753 No, I wanted him to have a roof over his head. 1115 00:45:13,753 --> 00:45:15,171 I wanted him not to starve. 1116 00:45:15,171 --> 00:45:18,299 Beyond that, I stopped wanting anything! 1117 00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:20,426 Oh, God, help me. 1118 00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:22,428 I never wanted to see him again. 1119 00:45:22,428 --> 00:45:24,597 [sobbing] 1120 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:44,784 [theme music] 83889

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