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NARRATOR: Nazi Germany,
two words synonymous
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with barbarity, terror,
hate... and death.
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A shock defeat in
World War One sows
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the seeds for discontent in
a once prosperous nation.
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Adolf Hitler, an unassuming,
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uninspiring man seizes the
opportunity to take control...
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..promising to make
Germany great again.
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But he won't do it alone.
Willing accomplices rally
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from the most
unlikely of places.
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The female Fuhrers...
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Nazi she-devils...
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cougars...
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fantasists...
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and secret lovers.
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These are the forgotten Nazis.
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These are Hitler's Handmaidens.
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- (speaks German)
- (crowd cheers, chants)
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NARRATOR: It was
one of the greatest,
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most seductive of the
Nazi propaganda myths.
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- (reporter speaks German)
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NARRATOR: Motherhood,
the one and only purpose
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for women of the fatherland.
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Kinder, Kuche, Kirche -
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Children, Kitchen, Church.
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The Nazis created a fantasy
land of milk and honey,
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sun-kissed pastures,
and fresh-faced maidens.
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A utopia for virtuous women...
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and their racially
pure "Kinder."
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The incubator for a glorious
thousand-year Reich.
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In their millions, German women
embraced that submissive vision.
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But not all would.
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A select few sought a more
active role in the Nazi dream
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of global domination
and racial purity.
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NARRATOR: They
were Hitler's she-devils,
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ready to follow any order,
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no matter how horrific,
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and it's something history
has struggled to reconcile.
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- I think there's a real social
taboo around female violence
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and the idea that
women participated,
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may even have actively chosen
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to commit acts of brutality
and sadism in World War Two.
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It's fundamentally
anathema to stereotypes
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about womanhood,
motherhood, femininity.
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NARRATOR: From all
walks of life they came,
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to keep the Nazi death
machine running at full speed.
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Farm girls and factory hands
to middle class professionals,
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Teachers, nurses and doctors.
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They flocked to the
killing fields and camps
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where cruelty knew no bounds.
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Not only were they organisers,
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these women were
active participants.
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Secretaries who
typed the death lists,
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who scrupulously recorded
the gruesome details
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of butchery on an
unimaginable scale.
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Medical professionals who
betrayed their solemn oaths
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to care for the sick and
vulnerable, instead poisoning,
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mutilating, and murdering
without pity or remorse.
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What makes female
guards beat pregnant women
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and whip prisoners to death?
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Or a mother of three coldly
execute a row of children
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with pistol shots to the head?
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These are the stories
of Hitler's she-devils
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and how only a few of them
would ever be brought to justice.
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When American soldiers liberated
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the Ravensbruck
concentration camp for women,
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they saw evidence of
unimaginable atrocities.
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- Ravensbruck was exclusively
for... for female prisoners,
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and that's where most
of them sort of had
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their female
overseers of the camp.
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That's where most of
them had their initiation.
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That was seen as a
kind of a starting block
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for a career as a
female camp guard.
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And from there they could go
to Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen,
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and any of the other
camps around the Reich.
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That was certainly, for
most, a sort of a starting block.
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NARRATOR: But it was not
just the sadism and brutality
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of the camp guards
that haunted survivors.
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They told of 'a beast
masquerading as a human'...
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..a beast who was a
doctor and a woman
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who betrayed every
oath and tenet of medicine
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in the most inhumane ways.
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Her name was Herta Oberheuser.
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- Herta got her
medical degree in 1937,
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and then, she becomes involved in
these experiments at Ravensbruck
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and is working in
Ravensbruck inside.
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She's been assigned
to experiments to test
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the effects of wounds
on the human body.
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If they can see how a wound
that's inflicted by shrapnel
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is going to affect an
ordinary German soldier
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and all the ways
that could be treated.
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She's putting sawdust in there,
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putting glass shards...
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putting various chemicals
and rubbing that in.
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Of course, these so-called
kind of procedures are done
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with no anaesthetic.
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Um... There could... The
prisoners are conscious.
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It's torture. It's sadistic.
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NARRATOR: Using
a smuggled camera,
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prisoners documented
all they could.
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Evidence that would later be used
in war crime trials at Nuremberg.
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Bones broken with hammers,
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limbs cut off and transplanted
onto other prisoners.
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all performed without
anaesthetic of any kind.
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It was a butcher's shop,
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and those that survived were
routinely killed by Oberheuser...
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with injections of petrol.
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Murders she'd later try to
pass off as humanitarian acts.
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- One of the victims
who testified said that,
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when she was administering
these lethal injections,
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she had an
expression on her face,
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a kind of smug, self-satisfied
expression on her face,
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and you could see her
contempt for humanity.
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NARRATOR: Neither were
children spared any of the horror.
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Oberheuser killed
them with injections
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of oil and barbiturates
and then cut off their limbs
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and removed vital organs.
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Oberheuser would even
beat pregnant women
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to cause miscarriages
before killing the newborns.
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Oberheuser insisted at her trial
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that she tried to
give her patients care.
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But witnesses told
how she denied
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her mutilated victims
medical help, even water.
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Oberheuser was one of
the few Nazi she-devils
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who'd ever see a court room.
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And there, she
denied everything.
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- Oberheuser was charged with
crimes against humanity, was convicted.
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She was actually given
a... a pretty stiff sentence
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relative to the other cases
that were tried at this time.
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She was given a
ten-year sentence,
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but she was released earlier,
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around 1950, early '50s.
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And she actually resumed her
practice... her medical practice.
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And a former prisoner from
Ravensbruck identified her...
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..and then, that was shut down.
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So, by 1960s, she was...
she was out of business,
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and then, she kind of died
in her eighties, peacefully.
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NARRATOR: Oberheuser was a butcher
and a murderer of the highest order.
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She betrayed her
Hippocratic oath...
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,,and serves as perhaps
the clearest example
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of the power of
Nazi indoctrination.
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That a doctor could
turn murderer speaks
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to the collective brainwashing
in Nazi Germany at the time.
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It was all-pervasive,
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and as Hitler shifted his focus
to State-sanctioned torture,
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eugenics and euthanasia
in the pursuit of racial purity,
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doctors like Herta Oberheuser
wouldn't be the only converts.
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(dramatic music)
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- (people cheering)
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NARRATOR: Forty
miles from Stuttgart,
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it still looks picture perfect.
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But the fanatical Nazi
obsession with the "imperfect"
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continues to haunt the corridors
and halls of Grafeneck Castle.
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In late 1939, Hitler
signed a euthanasia law,
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the sinister and
secret T4 programme.
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- And this programme...
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...was an opportunity for
the Nazi party to murder
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anybody who they
thought of as disabled,
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whether they were
actually disabled or not.
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And people would come there,
and they would be murdered.
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- It was brutal. It
was absolutely brutal.
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And that's where a lot
of women were involved
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because women were
actually nurses, and they...
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they had been involved with
caring for less abled people,
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people who had disabilities,
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and it was an extension of
that, and they just, you know,
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we will use this,
and we will execute.
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NARRATOR: These nurses
had trained to protect human life.
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But, in these wards, they
routinely slaughtered their patients
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with morphine injections.
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One nurse hand-picked
to make Grafeneck Castle
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an efficient killing site
was Pauline Kneissler.
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Her task?
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To travel to nearby
institutions with a list of patients,
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bus them back to
Grafeneck and murder them.
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- Pauline Kneissler
became a career killer.
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She killed on average
between 1939 and 1945
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seventy people a
day. Mostly children.
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She moved around
different facilities.
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She was transferring her
expertise to these different facilities,
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including going to, um...
the eastern territories.
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NARRATOR: So what made
Nurse Pauline Kneissler decide
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to kill rather than care?
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From a wealthy, ethnic
German household
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in the Odessa region of Ukraine,
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she was born to privilege.
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But her family was targeted
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and stripped of their money
in The Bolshevik Revolution.
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So they fled to Germany
where her father worked
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in the German National Railway.
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Kneissler studied nursing and
qualified as a psychiatric nurse.
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Perhaps it was her
grievance against communists
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or a need for belonging.
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But like so many other woman,
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Kneissler was easily
seduced by Nazism.
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- Any woman is likely to have
had years of indoctrination.
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You know, she may have
been at school with textbooks.
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She would have been a member of
the BDM: the Bund Deutscher Madel.
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She may have been a member of a
different German youth movement.
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Jewish people would have
been completely dehumanised,
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to the point where they were
able to detach the situation,
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and they saw the Jewish
people not as people anymore,
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and therefore were
able to murder them.
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NARRATOR: This
detachment was so ingrained
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that it remained evident
in the trials of women
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like Kniessler
long after the war.
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At her post-war
trial, she confessed,
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"We didn't feel
very good about it,
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but we had no
moral reservations."
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- I think that tells you
everything you need to know.
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That any feelings of
"Should we question this?"
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were quickly dismissed,
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and any human instinct to protect
or care for others was quelled.
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And it shows us the mentality
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of the Nazi soldiers
and the efficacy
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of the SS in...
and Hitler himself,
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in creating that absolute
obedience and wish to serve.
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NARRATOR: In one
year at Grafeneck Castle,
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the medical personnel murdered
nearly 10,000 German people.
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- And this programme
made it look on the outside
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like a nice place that you
could send your family member
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if they were disabled,
mentally or physically disabled.
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And it was here that gas
was tested on these patients,
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on these people,
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before being taken to
concentration camps.
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NARRATOR: Kneissler
found the gassings frightening
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but said at her trial they
were 'not really all that bad'...
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..because, she reasoned,
'death by gas doesn't hurt'.
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To their credit, some German
families risked everything
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to openly protest
the T4 programme.
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- And families started realising
what was actually happening,
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that these people
were being murdered.
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And in total, it's estimated
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that a quarter of a million
people were murdered this way.
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Families started protesting,
and the Nazi Party,
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rather than stopping the
T4 programme altogether,
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just made it even
more secretive,
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even more undercover.
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- Initially, it was fairly easy to
disguise, in some respects, the...
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the Nazi euthanisation
programme.
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When, um... the
children that were affected
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with physical or
mental disabilities...
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when they were examined by
a doctor, and the doctor says,
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"Well, look, we... we may be able
to help this... this child of yours,
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but we need to have them
sent to the correct establishment.
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And the parents would get a
letter some months later saying,
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"We're sorry to inform
you your child has...
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has died of measles
or chicken pox."
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In effect, they've probably
been given a lethal injection
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and sort of euthanised
under this programme.
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NARRATOR: Unbelievably,
at her trial in Frankfurt in 1948,
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Pauline Kniessler was sentenced
to only four years in prison.
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She would continue to work as
a nurse until retirement in 1963.
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- (man speaks German)
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able to live out the full life
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she denied the thousands
she helped to murder
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in the name of racial purity.
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- I think, in the '40s and
'50s, the gender of women,
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including those concentration
camp guards standing trial
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was absolutely
central in their receiving
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lenient sentences or
no sentences because,
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again, the prevailing view
that women can't be violent,
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that women don't have agency,
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that if they're cruel, it's only
under the coercion of man,
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it's a myth. But it's
a pervasive one.
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So the women's participation
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in Nazi brutality was
rendered invisible or...
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really only focussed on just
a few cases, when, in fact,
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it was far more pervasive.
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NARRATOR: There
was, however, one woman
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whose crimes were
so prolific and terrible
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that even the Nuremberg
judges would have no choice
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but to order her execution.
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At the camps where
she plied her evil trade,
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she was known variously
as The Hyena of Auschwitz,
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The Beautiful Beast,
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The Angel of Death.
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REPORTER: No men or
women have ever faced
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charges of such a
loathsome nature.
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One of the most prominent amongst
the women prisoners is Irma Grese.
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Number nine.
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- Irma Grese had a
very notorious reputation
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for being a sadistic guard.
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Like, stomping on
prisoners, and shouting,
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and sending her guard
dogs, attack dogs on prisoners.
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She was attractive
woman, but she also just fit
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this kind of stereotype of...
of a tough German woman,
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and she looked,
you know, the part.
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- When she was at Auschwitz,
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she seemed to... as if she
had something to prove.
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I mean, her violence
knew no bounds.
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She would... She would hit...
beat a prisoner virtually to death
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for no reason at all.
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And certainly in Auschwitz,
they... they nicknamed her the...
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the Hyena of Auschwitz
was one of her names.
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NARRATOR: To this day,
historians ponder how a woman could
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commit such heinous crimes.
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But there were forty million
German women in 1939,
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and thirteen
million of them were
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actively engaged
in the Nazi Party,
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whether directly or
through youth groups
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like the Bund Deutscher Madel,
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the League of German Girls.
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While not a BDM member herself,
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Irma was fanatical
from a young age,
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and her penchant for violence
would soon shock all around her.
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- When women are violent,
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it actually offends our whole
set of social stereotypes
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about womenkind,
about femininity.
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And it's anathema, it's taboo,
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and it becomes much more
disturbing, exciting, horrific.
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So it does stick
in our mind more.
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- The BDM and other units like that
were indoctrinated with Nazi ideals.
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So that was a theoretical
view of it, you know,
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that, uh... the Aryan
race, the superiority,
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the position of women and
all of that was indoctrinated.
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Get them young, keep them old.
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But that was what
they did in these groups.
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One, indoctrination,
two, training.
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NARRATOR: As a teenager,
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Irma was infatuated
by Hitler and the Nazis.
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She wanted to join the
BDM, but her father forbade it.
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So Irma took matters
into her own hands,
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leaving home at fifteen.
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- (explosions)
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NARRATOR: The year
the war began, 1939,
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she joined an SS hospital.
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Her mentor was Karl Gebhardt,
the man who would go on
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to facilitate Herta Oberheuser's
horrific human experiments.
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Nursing didn't suit Irma,
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so, at the age of sixteen, she
moved on to an SS female helpers
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training base near
Ravensbruck concentration camp.
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Her Nazi zeal and
devotion to duty
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caught the eye of
the SS hierarchy,
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and at the tender
age of nineteen,
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Irma Grese was made a
supervisor at Ravensbruck.
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- Shortly after the training,
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she entered the
Ravensbruck camp,
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where, straight away, she
became pretty notorious.
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And she was quite
disliked at Ravensbruck,
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obviously, because of a violence...
violence she was prone to...
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to violence without provocation.
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NARRATOR: It was
at Auschwitz, though,
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that Grese really
came into her own,
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as the lover and accomplice
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of the notorious
Doctor Josef Mengele.
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She helped with The Selections,
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a process in which
prisoners were chosen
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for Mengele's monstrous
medical experiments
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or sent to the gas chambers.
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Grese was highly sexualised,
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both at the camp and
in the media post-war.
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Apart from Mengele,
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she also had affairs with the
camp commandant Josef Kramer
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and male guards.
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It was alleged she even
raped female prisoners.
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- There were
others who were also
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kind of sensationalised
in the press.
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Ilse Koch is probably
the most famous.
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She was the wife of a
commandant at Buchenwald.
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It kind of stirs up their
sense of lurid fascination
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and the kind of
pornography of violence.
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They're kind of these
caricatures, eroticising evil,
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as one scholar says, my
colleague, Claudia Koonz says.
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It's a kind of
eroticisation of evil.
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So Ilse Koch and Irma Grese
are very good examples of that.
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NARRATOR: When she
was arrested after the war,
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Grese was unrepentant.
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When asked why she took
part in the atrocities, she replied,
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"It was our duty to
exterminate anti-social elements
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so that Germany's
future would be assured.
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- They were xenophobic.
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They were racists.
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And they believe they're
on the right side of history.
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They were trying to restore
Germany's place in the sun
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and even expand it as an empire.
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And they weren't remorseful.
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- Irma Grese was one of the most
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sadistic concentration
camp guards...
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..known to be sexually sadistic,
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as well as just generally.
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And yet, at her trial, she's
rolling her eyes, smiling...
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..acting as though this is a
matter of great indifference to her.
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It's very interesting
to know about that
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because it makes me wonder,
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was there such a
dissociation in her,
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such a disavowal of
our own aggression?
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NARRATOR: Despite Irma Grese
ultimately facing the death penalty,
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most of the female concentration
guards escaped justice.
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- Most of the guards,
the camp guards,
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who were pursued after
the war and stood trial, um...
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did so between 1945 and 1955.
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So there were about 3,600
guards, according to this document
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that we found in '45,
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but in the post-war period
only sixty actually stood trial.
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And so, you know, as
far as the pursuit of justice,
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uh... we don't see as
many women being tried
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and even fewer who were actually,
uh... given the death sentence.
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NARRATOR: The failure to confront
the crimes of some Nazi women is
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something history
will have to deal with.
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Many got away with
a slap on the wrist.
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Many went on to live
long and happy lives...
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..like a woman known
simply as The Stomping Mare.
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NARRATOR: Perhaps a
consequence of their gender...
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..but many of the Nazi she-devils
managed to escape justice.
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And even when
they were prosecuted,
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the process could
sometimes take decades.
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One particularly strange case
was that of the grey-haired woman
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who finally stood trial in 1975.
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Presenting herself as an
innocent suburban housewife...
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Hermine Braunsteiner
was anything but.
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She was in fact the ghastly camp
guard of Majdanek Prison in Poland,
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known by inmates as
'The Stomping Mare'.
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- Hermine Braunsteiner was
a camp guard at Majdanek...
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..which was near Lublin, Poland,
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another one of the
big killing centres.
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She was known for
stomping on prisoners
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and just for her excessive
cruelty and sadism.
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So she was given this,
like, Mare of Majdanek,
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uh... kind of label.
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NARRATOR: Yet, for
many years after the war
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Hermine lived a life of
comfort and safety in the USA.
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After meeting an American on
vacation in her native Austria,
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she married him and
moved to the USA in 1959.
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Four years later, she
was an American citizen.
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- She made her way
to Queens, New York.
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And at some point, I know
that Simon Wiesenthal
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and others Nazi hunters
were pursuing her.
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Survivors were talking about
her, and they couldn't find her.
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But she was
identified in Queens.
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NARRATOR: Her husband
would testify in her defence saying...
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.."My wife wouldn't hurt a fly.
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There's no more decent
person on this Earth.
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She told me this was a
duty she had to perform."
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How do these women,
after all they've done,
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re-enter society with
such little remorse...
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..that even their partners carry
a sense of denial on their behalf?
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- Women who took part
in the Nazi machinery,
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like Hermine Braunsteiner,
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did re-enter society
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and, in many ways,
the kind of denial
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of their perpetration
and their roles...
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helped them to feel that
they could simply reintegrate.
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However, my awareness of...
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of how they would have
functioned would be my...
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my suggestion about how
they would have managed is
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that they would have gone
into denial and dissociation.
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They would have shut away the
horrors that they had perpetrated.
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NARRATOR: Braunsteiner
was the first Nazi war criminal
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to be extradited from the US.
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She finally stood trial
in Dusseldorf in 1975
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alongside other Majdanek
guards in what would become
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the longest and most
expensive trial in West Germany.
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In 1981, nearly forty
years after her crimes,
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The Stomping Mare was
convicted on three counts:
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direct participation in the
murders of eighty people;
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abetting the murder
of 102 children;
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and collaborating in the
murder of 1,000 people.
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She was sentenced
to life in prison
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but released on
health grounds in 1996.
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She died three years later,
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having lived more than half a
century longer than her victims.
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- These individuals like
Hermine Braunsteiner,
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those who lived
on decades, right,
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who were not executed by The
Allies immediately after the war,
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they didn't continue to be
serial killers or career killers.
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The violence that they demonstrated
and committed during the war
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they did not continue to
behave violently after the war.
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So when the Department
of Justice came knocking
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on Hermine Braunsteiner
door in Queens
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and identified her, and she
opened the door in her nice...
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you know, apron, or
whatever she had on,
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you know, people couldn't believe
that she was that other person,
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uh... forty years before.
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- (explosions)
- (rapid gunfire)
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NARRATOR: It wasn't
just the female camp
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and prison guards that
showed a taste for brutality.
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In the occupied east,
lawlessness would bring out
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the worst in seemingly
ordinary German women.
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Just as America
had its 'Wild West',
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Germany saw its new
frontiers like Poland,
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Ukraine and Belarus,
as the 'Wild East.'
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Heinrich Himmler saw the
expansion of Lebensraum
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as the Nazi's great destiny.
486
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,080
More than half a million German
women enthusiastically joined
487
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,080
this surging colonisation.
488
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,440
Though, few would ever
pull the trigger on a Luger
489
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,920
or the levers in a gas chamber,
490
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,840
they'd work their evil through
efficient administration.
491
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,480
They were the 10,000 secretaries
492
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,120
who carefully typed up
orders and death lists...
493
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,840
..assisting with the paperwork
and logistics of mass murder,
494
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,120
and forensically
filing it all away.
495
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,640
In the east...
496
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,960
the devil was
truly in the detail.
497
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,240
- Women relied, as part
of the Holocaust, greatly,
498
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,800
just as much as the men really.
499
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,080
Their roles was as
significant as the men certainly,
500
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,400
I mean, everybody who was a
Nazi was... was a part of that.
501
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,400
They were tram drivers,
telephonists, secretaries.
502
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,240
They were working in the munitions
factories, as well as the camps.
503
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,600
They were doing a
huge variety of roles,
504
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,680
literally more than what was
ever envisaged by Hitler in fact.
505
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,000
- (speaks German)
506
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,280
- (applause and cheering)
507
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,040
- The truth is, for the
Holocaust to happen,
508
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,320
the Nazi Party
needed the support
509
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,920
of thousands of
people in every role,
510
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,440
from the secretaries
taking down the orders,
511
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,680
to the train drivers driving the
trains to concentration camps,
512
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,400
to the concentration
camp guards.
513
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,880
And an awful lot of the people
in these roles were women.
514
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,080
The Nazi Party would
not have been able
515
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,200
to commit the
genocide that it did -
516
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,120
the murder of six million Jewish
men, women, and children -
517
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,160
without massive
support from women.
518
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880
NARRATOR: Shockingly, many of
these willing participants would go on
519
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,640
to live full and happy lives...
520
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,640
..changing their identities
521
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,640
and hiding the horrors
of national socialism,
522
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,440
in which they were complicit.
523
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,880
- One of the secretaries
that I interviewed afterwards...
524
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,600
..said to me that she didn't
see anything wrong with her job.
525
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,520
She wasn't directly involved
526
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,280
in the murder of any Jewish
people or anybody else.
527
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400
And she actually really enjoyed
her time as a secretary for the Nazis
528
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,520
because she was
very well looked after.
529
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,160
And when she was sick,
530
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,440
she got sent what was
called a "Fuhrerpaket,"
531
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,960
a gift from the Fuhrer,
to help her get better.
532
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,240
And she was made
to feel appreciated.
533
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,720
NARRATOR: One such secretary
went to the East in a support role,
534
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,680
with no direct orders
to take part in killings.
535
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,520
But whether it was her lust for
blood or twisted sense of duty,
536
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,600
she quickly became
immersed in murder.
537
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,280
Her name was Johanna Altvater.
538
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,920
- Johanna Altvater grew
up in this small town,
539
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,320
went through the
League of German Girls.
540
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,600
Also about twenty years old when
she was sent to the Eastern Front.
541
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,800
And she wanted to
go to the Eastern Front.
542
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,640
She's someone who...
543
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,680
was described... as, um...
544
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,840
someone who had the
toughness to go the Eastern Front.
545
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,360
NARRATOR: Like a
cattle herder, a Frontier Girl,
546
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,600
that's how Altvater
was described
547
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,400
during the liquidation of the
Warsaw Ghetto in May 1943.
548
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640
She would roam the
camp in her riding breeches,
549
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,480
cracking her whip and
prodding prisoners into a truck.
550
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Altvater started as
an administrative aid,
551
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000
but she couldn't help but
get involved in the killing.
552
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,200
- So there was a machinery of
that, and she helped organise that,
553
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,480
but she also participated.
554
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,840
When the Jews are
being rounded up
555
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,800
and brought to the
mass murder site -
556
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,000
the forests outside
of Vladimir Volynsky -
557
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,800
she went into the infirmary
558
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,440
and grabbed the children
and the patients in the infirmary.
559
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,400
And if some of
them were too ill,
560
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,280
she just threw them
over the balcony, and...
561
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,000
and they died; you know,
it was several storeys.
562
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,200
She was seen going
into this ghetto, one day,
563
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,960
and gesturing to a Jewish
child and to come over to her.
564
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,880
And the father was standing
nearby; he witnessed the whole thing.
565
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,840
And she picked the
child up by the legs, um...
566
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,600
and bashed it against the
ghetto wall until it... until it died.
567
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,520
NARRATOR: Killing Jewish
children wasn't enough
568
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,280
for the Nazis of the
occupied Eastern territories.
569
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,600
They also abducted children
they classified as Aryan.
570
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,480
This was part of a
program to stock the Reich
571
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
with what were seen as
'racially valuable' children.
572
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,520
- (babies crying) NARRATOR:
The Lebensborn Program,
573
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,080
once a beacon of
the regime's promise
574
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,680
to help German women
become successful mothers,
575
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,600
became a state-sanctioned
kidnapping program.
576
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,560
The kidnappers were
called the 'Brown Sisters'.
577
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640
Women in brown coats who
trawled through the countryside,
578
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,480
searching for Aryan-looking
children to steal...
579
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,120
and send to German
nurseries and SS families.
580
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,800
- This Lebensborn... it
didn't stay in Germany.
581
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,360
It moved it, particularly Poland,
but other countries as well.
582
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Even the extent of
kidnapping children,
583
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,360
which I think is the
most amazing thing,
584
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,760
The Brown Sisters,
you know, in particular,
585
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,520
how they would move
in, kidnap the children,
586
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,720
purely people who looked Aryan -
587
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,920
blonde hair, you
know, pale skins.
588
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,600
- Many children that were
encountered by the German forces...
589
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,640
..they were sort
of viewed as, um...
590
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,760
being children who
could be Aryanised.
591
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,000
And they, of course, would be
taken from their parents forcibly.
592
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,240
Sometimes, if the parents
protested, they'd be shot.
593
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680
Sometimes, though, the
parents would be shot anyway.
594
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,880
And these children would
then be moved back to Germany
595
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,120
and placed with,
um... German families
596
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,640
where they would
be raised as Germans
597
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,240
with no former
history whatsoever.
598
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,480
NARRATOR: Using candy
and slices of bread as lures
599
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,160
to attract boys and girls,
600
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,560
the 'Brown Sisters' travelled
601
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,680
behind advancing German
forces into the occupied East,
602
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,760
locating and interrogating
youngsters about their family trees.
603
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,160
This horrific harvesting was
grotesque in practice and scale.
604
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,520
It's estimated that
up to 400,000 children
605
00:34:09,670 --> 00:34:13,230
were abducted from their
families in Eastern Europe.
606
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,120
Women stood at the
forefront of this effort
607
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,480
as trustworthy and
motherly figures.
608
00:34:19,670 --> 00:34:22,040
- Women being used in
this way makes me think
609
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:24,080
about some of the work I do now
610
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:26,670
with female sex
offenders, for example,
611
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,600
who are using their status
as trustworthy figures -
612
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,800
mothers, sisters, uh...
613
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,560
friends, teachers,
nursery nurses, whatever -
614
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:42,400
and then, using that
power and that respect
615
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,280
in order to access
and damage children.
616
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,440
- (children crying)
617
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,840
NARRATOR: Nazi doctrine determined
that Aryan-looking Polish children
618
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,670
were actually Nordic and
could be taught to be German.
619
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,160
Birth documents were destroyed,
620
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,680
and many children never
discovered their origins.
621
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,360
It is estimated that only
20% of the stolen children
622
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,040
were reunited with their
families after the war.
623
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,560
NARRATOR: The Nazi
occupied territories in the East
624
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,160
were a free-for-all.
625
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,480
Jews were murdered by the
thousands in slums and ghettos...
626
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,240
..while Aryan children
were snatched up
627
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,160
and taken back to
pure German families.
628
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,200
Alongside the barbarity of
the concentration camps,
629
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,200
the horrors of the Wild
East were among the worst
630
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,920
of the Nazi crimes.
631
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,720
- Half of the victims
of the Holocaust...
632
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,720
died in ghettos and
in mass shootings.
633
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,000
One out of four victims of the
Holocaust died in places like,
634
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,960
you know, Ukraine and these...
635
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,000
these ravines and
these mass shootings.
636
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,880
So as we understand
the history of the Holocaust
637
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,040
as this much bigger,
uh... operation
638
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,960
that enters into all these
realms of everyday life,
639
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640
of professional work,
of how you wage a war.
640
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,240
NARRATOR: In a
forest near Lida, Belarus,
641
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,760
there are stark
monuments to a massacre
642
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,800
of more than 6,000 Jews
643
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,920
on the 8th May, 1942.
644
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,560
One depicts two
mournful female figures,
645
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,160
the personification
of inconsolable grief.
646
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,400
The cruel irony is that the
massacre was organised by a woman:
647
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,040
a Nazi secretary
called Liselotte Meier.
648
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,400
Meier was the
constant companion,
649
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,920
lover and secretary of the district
commissar Hermann Hanweg.
650
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,040
They had an all-consuming
passion for each other,
651
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,400
for the high life
of their luxury villa
652
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,600
and for the sport of
hunting and killing Jews.
653
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,720
- When I think about the
psychology of the wives of soldiers
654
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,240
who then go on to perpetrate,
655
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,760
I mean, it's an exhilarating,
656
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,760
intoxicating, freeing experience
657
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,000
to remove your moral shackles.
658
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,280
And once it's happened once,
659
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,600
you see it just takes
on a different meaning.
660
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,880
So having overcome that
moral force, that boundary,
661
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,480
we know this in forensic
psychotherapy that,
662
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,240
once you've broken
the body boundary
663
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,960
it's so much easier to
do it again and again.
664
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,920
- (machines whirring)
665
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,720
NARRATOR: Liselotte Meier was
a woman who rejected factory work
666
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,840
as her contribution
to the Reich.
667
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,240
Instead, she chose to join the
exodus to the Nazi's Wild East
668
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,560
to ply her trade as a secretary.
669
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,240
Through her relationship
with Hermann Hanweg,
670
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,720
Lisolette got caught up in what
the Nazis called "Ostrausch"...
671
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,200
.."Eastern Rush."
672
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,000
An orgy of sex and violence
in the occupied territories.
673
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Lisolette and her lover were
all powerful in their domain.
674
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,760
They had the authority to
decide who lived and who died.
675
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,360
- Hanweg and Meier end up, um...
676
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,560
taking over a villa
with a swimming pool.
677
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,440
And they're having
their relationship there.
678
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,400
And these Jewish labourers are
like serving them post coital delicacies.
679
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,960
And they're, you know,
so there's the debauchery.
680
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,280
NARRATOR: And when the
couple got bored, it was hunting time.
681
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,440
- And we hear
stories after the war...
682
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,320
a survivor ended up
testifying that he saw, um...
683
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,280
Hanweg and his
female colleagues.
684
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,440
It was a... It was a
Sunday afternoon.
685
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,720
You know, the...
the office was close.
686
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,320
And there were Jews nearby
who were shovelling the snow.
687
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,880
And when the Germans
couldn't find any rabbits,
688
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,400
or any... any
animals to... to shoot,
689
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,760
they told the Jewish
labourers just... just run
690
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,120
into the direction
of the forest,
691
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,920
and they were just going
to take shots at them.
692
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,200
And they just started shooting
them and killed some of them.
693
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,640
NARRATOR: When later questioned,
694
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,880
Liselotte denied ever
killing anyone herself,
695
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,320
but she continued to
refer to the Jews as 'Dreck',
696
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,880
which basically means 'scum'.
697
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,760
According to post-war
trial statements,
698
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,680
all the logistics of the
massacres carried out
699
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,280
in Lida were orchestrated by
the Secretary from Saxony...
700
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,920
..Liselotte Meier.
701
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,520
- So she's never indicted.
702
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,720
But she's, you know,
has life and death power
703
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,560
over that Jewish population.
704
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,880
She also was seen issuing
orders to execute Jews.
705
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,760
She was handling those orders
706
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,280
and the distribution
of the... the bullets
707
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,440
and the material to carry
out those executions.
708
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,720
NARRATOR: In 2007,
709
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,760
a photo album was donated to the
United States Holocaust Museum,
710
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,680
the scenes in and
around Auschwitz reek
711
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,920
of symbolism,
obscenity, cynicism.
712
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,720
But the photos
are not of corpses.
713
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,160
They show Nazi men
and women at play,
714
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,840
enjoying picnics with
their families in the sun.
715
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,880
This is the true picture of
Nazi female perpetrators.
716
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,680
Women who could live two lives
717
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,720
during one of history's
most atrocious chapters.
718
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,320
- It's very common
for people to cut off
719
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,360
or deny unacceptable
aspects of themselves.
720
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,880
And the women who
seem to be picnicking
721
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,800
and frolicking with
their families by day -
722
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,760
or on the weekends - and are
brutally sadistic in the camps,
723
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,640
on other days,
724
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,520
don't really see any
contradiction in that behaviour.
725
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,440
So, on the one hand,
726
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,240
it's absolutely human to cut off
727
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,760
and compartmentalise
unacceptable behaviour,
728
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,160
deny that it happens.
729
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,920
On the other hand,
730
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,360
even if the female
prison guards were
731
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,240
to acknowledge
what they were doing,
732
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,400
because the Jews weren't people
anyway, it really doesn't matter.
733
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,080
- (speaks German)
734
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,560
NARRATOR: To suggest they
didn't know what was going on,
735
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,040
or they were simply
following orders,
736
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,800
isn't compatible with
what we know today.
737
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,320
The story of women
in Nazi Germany is
738
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,120
one of means,
motive, and opportunity.
739
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,680
Not all were camp
guards or torturers,
740
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,160
and yet, most played some role in
propping up the Holocaust machine.
741
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,680
- And part of it was the actual
day-to-day administration,
742
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,080
typing the orders,
answering the telephone.
743
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,440
And part of it was
creating an environment
744
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,960
that allowed the men to
then go and physically be
745
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,160
the murderers
behind the genocide.
746
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,920
And it's interesting that women
were involved in every single role,
747
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,200
across the spectrum,
748
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,240
and very few of the
women I researched
749
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,800
saw a problem with
what they were doing,
750
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,840
saw any issues with
what they were doing.
751
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000
- (speaks German)
752
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,040
- (crowd chanting
supportively in German)
753
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,800
- Lots of women afterwards
pleaded that they were just young.
754
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,600
They didn't know
what was going on.
755
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,640
But I don't think
that's a great response
756
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,720
because there are examples of
young women that did stand up to Hitler.
757
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,760
But I think it's fair to say
758
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,720
that ordinary German people
knew what was happening.
759
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,560
It was in the newspapers.
It was in the radio.
760
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,680
Concentration camps were in Germany.
Jewish people were disappearing.
761
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,920
And so, if ordinary German
people knew about the Holocaust,
762
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,440
the women who
were the secretaries,
763
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,320
the woman who were
the administrators
764
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,080
were even closer
to the knowledge.
765
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:53,960
They had evidence
in front of them.
766
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,040
They knew the names
of concentration camps,
767
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,360
They knew what
was happening there.
768
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,400
NARRATOR: In many ways, history
let Hitler's she-devils off the hook.
769
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,720
A justice system which
either failed to prosecute them,
770
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,000
or gave light sentences
and early releases.
771
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,560
Traditional views of gender
and violence played a part in this.
772
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,680
Perhaps they still do.
773
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,960
But history mocks
the female cliches.
774
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,880
Given the right circumstances
and environment,
775
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,000
women, too, will
commit genocide,
776
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,800
as faithful enablers
and bloody participants.
777
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,400
(dramatic music)
778
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,200
(intense, reflective music)
779
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,080
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