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(gentle music)
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- You know, I'm 73 and
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the memory...
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it's a bit foggy.
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Pizza to G0 was...
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It's about a guy,
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a slovenly guy,
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who lives in this filthy apartment,
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and he's hungry,
so he orders a pizza.
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While he's waiting for
the pizza to arrive,
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he starts channel surfing on TV,
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and everywhere he surfs...
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then we go into it.
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So sometimes he's
watching a film noir,
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sometimes it's a comedy,
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sometimes it's commercials,
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sometimes it's a soap opera.
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All different kinds of film genre.
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Some are like a period piece.
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But all of this...
every time he flicks...
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and we use the same
actors for everything.
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We went in, and some of
it's in black and white...
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there's a western in there
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that I got to use my
Vilmos Zsigmond skills on.
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A campfire scene at night.
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As it happened, at the
Concordia Film Festival
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end of year screening,
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a gentleman called Bob Presner
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showed up and saw that film,
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and he was looking for somebody
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because he had two clients,
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two producers who
wanted to make a film
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for the drive-ins.
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That's how long we've been around.
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They were making a drive-in film,
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and so he recommended
us to the two producers,
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Jack Murphy and Fred Fox.
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They saw our film and said,
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"Guys, do you want a job?
We got a job for you."
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So we got a job.
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The budget was $750,000,
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shot in 35 millimeter,
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1979, a film made for drive-ins
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called Pinball Summer.
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It was our first feature film,
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and it was shot in summer.
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Again, shot like I
said in 35, for 750...
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$750,000 back then.
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We're talking 1979.
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They're doing films in Ottawa now
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for a little bit more than that
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40 years later.
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(laughs)
So.
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But it was a glorious experience.
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We had the chops to do it.
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As I recall, we had like 25 days,
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so it was a fairly
generous schedule,
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and most of the shooting,
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like over 90% of the shooting,
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it's all outside, it's all exterior,
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so lighting-wise was no issue.
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We didn't have the usual issues
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because we had very, very few...
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Very few interiors to light
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except the pinball arcade,
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and it was a bunch
of kids having fun.
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It was harmless, mindless.
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(laugh5)
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It was a one page or
two page suggestion
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made by Steven Miller,
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who became one of the
producers on the film.
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He had this idea from a film
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after seeing
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some other
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horror film that was
successful in the States,
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and he took it to John
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and John said, "Yeah, it's great,
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and we've got the guys to do it."
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And so
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myself and George
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and Bob Presner and Steven Miller
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and the guy who they
brought in to write,
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John, I forget his family name.
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But we all worked
slowly on development,
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and we would go to Cinepix,
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and we would screen films.
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John would show us what he liked.
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At the time, Cinepix was distributing
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a lot of Japanese horror,
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and you know, Japanese
horror back then...
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I don't know what it's like today,
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but it was a lot of slice and dice
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and bloodshed.
(laughs)
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John liked that because
that's what sold.
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So that was our
mandate basically.
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(laugh5)
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It was certainly, yeah,
one of the influences.
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It certainly helped launch my career.
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It gave me a good boost forward,
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that's for sure.
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Back Stab was a pretty good one.
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Back Stab was one of the better ones.
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James Brolin and Jim Kaufman.
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Yeah.
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I don't recall very much about it.
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Well, I'll tell you
the one thing I recall
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about Back Stab and the Jim Kaufman.
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That's where I met my wife.
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(chuckles)
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She was working in
the costume department.
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It was quite a generous
budget, as I recall.
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That's Christian Duguay
who directed, right?
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That was a fairly generous budget
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and a lot of fun
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‘cause there's lots
of special effects.
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It was a brutal shoot though
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because we shot over
Christmas and New Year's,
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and there were periods
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where it was
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brutally cold,
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like down to 25 below,
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and we were shooting
outside at night,
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and often the film was so brittle
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it would snap and break
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and everything fogging up
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and the batteries
dying all the time.
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I have photographs of me wearing
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a full... it's like a ski mask,
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and it's just covered with frost
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from working outside all night.
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It was a tough one,
but it was beautiful,
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and it looked really good.
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I really liked the result.
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Christian, before he directed,
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he was a DOP himself.
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Actually, he started off
as a Steadicam operator
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and then became a DOP and
then became a director.
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And so, yeah, that
was shot in winter.
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Pretty brutal too.
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But again, we had
quite a bit of money.
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It was a generous budget,
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and I think Columbia Pictures
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was involved in that too.
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I think Columbia Pictures
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was one of the producers,
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but there was no shortage
of money on that film.
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On both of those two
films you mentioned,
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we had by that time...
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we had graduated to
the full package.
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Whatever I wanted on my
camera list, we got it,
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so we got all the
high speed lenses.
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We got all the toys.
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Probably the best one
Allegro ever made I think,
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other than the one
I directed for them,
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The Neighbor,
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was Deadbolt
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with Justine Bateman I believe.
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Justine Bateman and
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Adam Baldwin,
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who was a cousin of
Alec or something,
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one of the Baldwin gang.
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But that was a good film
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because we had two
very good actors,
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and as far as Justine...
was very pleasant, easy,
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because you've heard these stories
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before I'm sure,
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but they're not always
easy to work with.
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I understand
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that all actors have
a certain insecurity
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because it's them on screen.
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It's them in front of the camera,
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so they're often very
insecure and nervous,
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and you've got to
be part psychologist,
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in order to... and therapist
to help them as a DOP
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because if there's
one person on the set
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that they always want
to fall in love with
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and always want to
be close to, it's the DOP
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because their image
is in your hands,
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so to speak.
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And so often they're difficult
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and nervous and insecure.
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"What's the lens you're using?
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What's the filter you're using?"
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But Justine was just
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easy, a sweetheart,
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no problem whatsoever,
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and the story was solid.
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Adam Baldwin played the
psychopath in that one.
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We did a lot of films about psychopaths.
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And that was also shot, I must add,
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in the same house that we shot
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all of the horror sequences for...
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so when you see it,
you will recognize the rooms
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that we shot Amityville Curse in.
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It's the exact same house
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that we called "the monster house."
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It was at that time...
James Brolin I think
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was just hooking up
with Barbra Streisand.
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I think. I'm not sure.
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But the memory I have
of that film now
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is because at the time,
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I had a brother who lived in Montreal
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for a long time,
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and his wife
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was a big fan of James Brolin.
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James Brolin was a
TV star first, right?
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He was in some...
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some TV series
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about doctors or something.
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I don't know what it was.
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But my sister-in-law was
madly in love with him,
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and so she asked if she
could come to the set
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and meet him,
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so I remember my brother
and sister-in-law
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showing up at the set
to meet James Brolin
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and having their
photograph taken with him.
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He was a very nice guy,
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and he's a very easy
guy to work with.
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Very eaSY QW-
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But that was a good
little film as I recall.
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Again, another one
of the better ones.
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Yeah.
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It's not one of the films
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that sticks in my memory.
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I know it's a fairly good one,
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but I can't recall.
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That was a Doug Jackson I think too,
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was it not?
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I'm sure that was Doug,
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but I have very little recollections
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of that one. Very little.
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Not one that stands out,
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but in that section,
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you'll see this was always...
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Pierre liked his stalker,
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male psychopath,
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looking for his next
female victim type of film,
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and it was always
pretty much the formula.
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Young woman, vulnerable,
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trust the wrong person,
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looks like she's
going to get slayed,
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but somehow she always
turns the table
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and the nasty guy
gets his comeuppance.
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Roll credits.
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(hands clap)
The audience applauds.
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That was basically Pierre's formula
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for successful filmmaking
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(chuckles)
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in a nutshell
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because we did a whole batch
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of them like that.
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At the time,
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I was just happy to
do the photography,
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but I have to say
that towards the end,
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it's what made me want
to change and get out
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because, you know,
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I felt we were doing a
lot of the same things.
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The genre was...
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I wouldn't say it was tired,
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but there's not much in
the way of innovation
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in the stuff that we were doing,
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the ones that we were doing.
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That was my feeling,
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and I just needed to get
out and do other stuff
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and find another
way to express myself.
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(gentle music)
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