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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:15,610 (newscaster) It is said that there are no secrets in a small town. 3 00:00:15,650 --> 00:00:20,200 But in Skidmore, those who know who killed Ken Rex McElroy won't say. 4 00:00:21,830 --> 00:00:23,240 (man) Nobody deserves to be murdered. 5 00:00:23,290 --> 00:00:24,870 However... 6 00:00:24,910 --> 00:00:27,710 Ken McElroy terrorized the town of Skidmore, Missouri, 7 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:29,380 for more than ten years, 8 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:30,880 then in broad daylight, 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,710 with more than 45 people watching, 10 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:36,090 Ken McElroy was gunned down and killed. 11 00:00:36,130 --> 00:00:40,010 But nobody saw a thing, and nobody did anything. 12 00:00:40,050 --> 00:00:43,640 (woman) This town was so full of sin. 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,430 It was proud they had killed him. 14 00:00:45,470 --> 00:00:47,690 (reporter) If they catch somebody, 15 00:00:47,730 --> 00:00:49,850 would you feel that justice has been done? 16 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:52,610 No, because there was a whole town. 17 00:00:52,650 --> 00:00:55,320 (man) That was the one mistake that they made. 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,650 They didn't kill his wife. 19 00:00:57,700 --> 00:00:59,740 I would've killed his wife. 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,080 (dramatic music) 21 00:02:07,850 --> 00:02:10,430 (reporter) Mrs. McElroy, I know this is upsetting to you. 22 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,480 Yes. I turned around and... 23 00:02:14,770 --> 00:02:16,360 and he had been shot. 24 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,400 And... I opened the door and... 25 00:02:22,450 --> 00:02:24,370 they said... The man told me to stay in there, 26 00:02:24,410 --> 00:02:26,490 they wanted to shoot me too. 27 00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:31,290 (reporter) 28 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Yes. Yes. I am. 29 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,550 I have been wondering why they haven't done anything. 30 00:02:39,590 --> 00:02:40,880 (female reporter) 31 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:42,840 Yes, I do. 32 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:47,550 Yes, I do. 33 00:02:50,430 --> 00:02:53,140 (Richard laughs) Nothing. 34 00:02:53,190 --> 00:02:56,610 (female interviewer continues) 35 00:02:56,650 --> 00:02:57,860 (Trena) Oh, yes. 36 00:02:59,530 --> 00:03:02,280 (Trena) They haven't done nothing. 37 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,530 (reporter) 38 00:03:05,570 --> 00:03:07,570 Not in Nodaway County, no. 39 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,920 (Trena) I don't know what their problem is, but I know who did it. 40 00:03:18,090 --> 00:03:20,090 I do not know. 41 00:03:20,130 --> 00:03:22,880 (reporter 2) 42 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:26,930 No, I do not want to go out of county. 43 00:03:26,970 --> 00:03:30,220 I don't believe that I'd be safe there. 44 00:03:33,020 --> 00:03:35,350 (reporter 3) 45 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,860 (Richard) Can we take a break just a minute, fellas? 46 00:03:47,870 --> 00:03:50,740 (dramatic music) 47 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:57,920 (Kirby) Trena was devoted to Ken, in a sick way, 48 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,170 clear all the way through to the end. 49 00:04:01,210 --> 00:04:06,590 After McElroy was killed, she... she was still fighting for him. 50 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:12,680 (reporter) This is the tale of a small farm town, 51 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,680 Skidmore, Missouri, 52 00:04:14,730 --> 00:04:17,560 and the bad brazen bully who terrorized its people. 53 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,520 Kenneth Rex McElroy was 47 years old, 54 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,230 and was known far and wide 55 00:04:22,270 --> 00:04:26,200 as the meanest man in Nodaway County. 56 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,110 (reporter 2) His widow, Trena McElroy, 57 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,740 says he was a loving father and a kind husband. 58 00:04:30,780 --> 00:04:33,910 She was there at the D&G bar with him when he was shot. 59 00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:40,790 (Cheryl) The first time I actually had anybody 60 00:04:40,830 --> 00:04:42,750 ask me anything about Ken McElroy 61 00:04:42,790 --> 00:04:47,340 was when I was a freshman in high school. 62 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:51,180 My mom asked me if I had seen Trena McCloud 63 00:04:51,220 --> 00:04:54,180 get on and off the school bus and go with anybody, 64 00:04:54,220 --> 00:04:57,640 and I hadn't, 'cause I wasn't paying attention. 65 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,110 (Leona) My daughter and her used to go to school together. 66 00:05:02,150 --> 00:05:05,610 So she says "That girl's gonna get in trouble," 67 00:05:05,650 --> 00:05:07,070 and I said "What do you mean?" 68 00:05:07,110 --> 00:05:10,110 She said she met Ken McElroy 69 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,660 down at the Four Corners from Maitland. 70 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:17,160 She couldn't wait till she got in that truck with him. 71 00:05:21,210 --> 00:05:25,130 (Cheryl) We started hearing that he was picking Trena up from school 72 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:28,630 and then taking her back to get on the bus going home. 73 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:31,340 And it wasn't long after that that she dropped out of school. 74 00:05:34,850 --> 00:05:36,770 (Leona) She loved him. 75 00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:38,640 She followed him. 76 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,980 I mean she followed him. 77 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:42,900 They were lovers. 78 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,780 Over his life, he had five wives, 79 00:05:48,820 --> 00:05:53,530 and anywhere between 16 to 19 children. 80 00:05:53,570 --> 00:05:55,530 That's a lot of McElroys. 81 00:05:57,410 --> 00:05:59,370 (Toni) Well, it's really no big secret 82 00:05:59,410 --> 00:06:02,080 that Dad was seeing womn that were a lot younger. 83 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,250 Fourteen I would say was probably pretty close to average. 84 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:09,970 The story on it was that they wanted to get married, 85 00:06:10,010 --> 00:06:12,720 and parents said no, he's... 86 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,390 'cause he was still married at the time 87 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:15,930 he was asking about it. 88 00:06:15,970 --> 00:06:17,430 (Toni) Dad hooked up with Trena, 89 00:06:17,470 --> 00:06:19,220 they were kind of sharing Dad for a minute, 90 00:06:19,270 --> 00:06:22,190 and Trena got upset because Dad would not stop 91 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:25,190 seeing his wife, and that's when the whole 92 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:27,320 rape thing came in. 93 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,700 (reporter) They began seeing each other when she was 14. 94 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:34,410 At 16, she accused him of rape. 95 00:06:34,450 --> 00:06:35,910 (Tom) They said he raped her. 96 00:06:35,950 --> 00:06:37,280 You know, I don't know that for sure. 97 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:38,870 You know, he'd asked for consent 98 00:06:38,910 --> 00:06:40,580 from her parents again, and they said, 99 00:06:40,620 --> 00:06:43,370 "No, you can't marry him", and next thing you knew 100 00:06:43,420 --> 00:06:44,540 their house burned down. 101 00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:47,540 (fire crackling) 102 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,510 (Toni) None of that was true. 103 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:54,340 That was made up (bleep). 104 00:06:54,380 --> 00:06:56,180 I don't believe my dad burnt down their house. 105 00:06:56,220 --> 00:06:59,220 There was a lot of stories that circulated 106 00:06:59,260 --> 00:07:01,640 around Trena's family. 107 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,980 Mom told me they were bull(bleep). 108 00:07:04,020 --> 00:07:06,150 (reporter) Is it true that when you were still a schoolgirl, 109 00:07:06,190 --> 00:07:08,610 sixteen years old, that your husband raped you? 110 00:07:08,650 --> 00:07:11,030 No. This is not true, no. 111 00:07:11,070 --> 00:07:12,490 (reporter) He was charged with rape. 112 00:07:12,530 --> 00:07:14,820 Yes, he was charged with it. 113 00:07:14,860 --> 00:07:16,780 But it's not true. 114 00:07:16,820 --> 00:07:19,080 -(reporter) You brought the charge against him? -Yes. And it's not true. 115 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,540 (reporter) Why did you do it? 116 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:22,660 Jealousy. I was jealous over him, 117 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:24,160 but it's not true. 118 00:07:26,380 --> 00:07:28,840 (reporter) Was your parents' house burnt down? 119 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,500 No, it was not burnt down, 120 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:32,510 it was defaulty wiring. 121 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:36,300 And the record should show it's defaulty wiring. 122 00:07:36,340 --> 00:07:39,260 It was... It was just a charge to... 123 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:41,930 more trouble, like everybody usually did. 124 00:07:41,970 --> 00:07:45,100 -More trouble. -(reporter) Including you, you gave him trouble. 125 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:48,190 Yes. Yes. And it's not true. 126 00:07:49,770 --> 00:07:51,480 It wasn't true at all. 127 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,620 (Steve) When the law enforcement was closing in on him 128 00:07:58,660 --> 00:08:03,040 to arrest him and charge him with statutory rape 129 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,290 he fled to Kansas and married her, 130 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:08,250 so that she couldn't testify. 131 00:08:08,290 --> 00:08:12,500 They might have been in love. I don't know. 132 00:08:12,550 --> 00:08:15,130 (reporter) What people are gonna ask, Trena, 133 00:08:15,170 --> 00:08:17,220 that how can we believe her when she says 134 00:08:17,260 --> 00:08:19,430 her husband was a fine man, 135 00:08:19,470 --> 00:08:21,640 if she says she was lying when she said 136 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,310 her husband raped her. 137 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:26,850 'Cause he was a fine man, and he never did nothing like that. 138 00:08:26,890 --> 00:08:31,270 He never had--He never had to do anything like that in the first place. 139 00:08:31,310 --> 00:08:34,900 He was a nice-looking, well-mannered man, 140 00:08:34,940 --> 00:08:37,280 and he never had to do anything like that. 141 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,160 It's untrue. 142 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,160 (engine revving) 143 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,710 (Kirby) Well, I know Ken Rex had two wives. 144 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:50,500 Alice and Trena. 145 00:08:50,540 --> 00:08:52,670 It was an odd setup. 146 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:54,710 They lived together. 147 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,220 Their kids got on the same school bus everyday. 148 00:08:59,590 --> 00:09:01,680 (Toni) My mom was pretty young. 149 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,350 She was about 14 when Dad started seeing her as well. 150 00:09:04,390 --> 00:09:06,100 The relationship between Trena and Mom 151 00:09:06,140 --> 00:09:09,190 was kind of different, I mean almost like sisters 152 00:09:09,230 --> 00:09:10,650 if that makes sense. 153 00:09:10,690 --> 00:09:13,400 I felt they were with Dad because they loved him. 154 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,570 I'm sure there were people who really objected to it. 155 00:09:16,610 --> 00:09:18,820 There's two churches in the town, 156 00:09:18,860 --> 00:09:24,370 so I'm sure the churchy people didn't like it. 157 00:09:24,410 --> 00:09:28,160 (Kirby) None of the townspeople thought that was a good idea 158 00:09:28,210 --> 00:09:30,870 'cause none of us were raised that way. 159 00:09:32,250 --> 00:09:34,000 In fact, it's against the law. 160 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,550 You can't be married to two people at the same time. 161 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,050 Bigamy, or whatever it's called. 162 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,890 But Ken Rex wasn't a man that followed the laws anyway. 163 00:09:47,930 --> 00:09:50,350 (Trena) He was just totally different from anybody. 164 00:09:50,390 --> 00:09:52,400 He was. He was fearless. 165 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,270 He wasn't afraid of anything. 166 00:09:58,030 --> 00:10:01,780 (Toni) To be quite honest, the time that we lived with Trena and Mom and everybody, 167 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:04,740 I don't remember anything bad. 168 00:10:04,780 --> 00:10:07,910 I mean, I remember us kids chasing each other through the house, 169 00:10:07,950 --> 00:10:10,080 swimming in the horse trough outside, 170 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,000 chasing lightning bugs in the field. 171 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,340 Mom and Trena they always cooked. 172 00:10:15,380 --> 00:10:18,210 They made pies and put them in the window. 173 00:10:18,260 --> 00:10:22,220 (Kirby) I've heard Ken Rex was really a great dad. 174 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:25,180 But at the same time, they've had to have witnessed 175 00:10:25,220 --> 00:10:28,560 abuse to their mothers. 176 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,520 It wasn't like all the time. 177 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:33,520 But yeah, there was abuse. 178 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,570 We never saw the abuse. 179 00:10:37,610 --> 00:10:40,070 You might see a black eye or something later, 180 00:10:40,110 --> 00:10:41,400 but you didn't know where it came from. 181 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,200 It was never done in front of us. 182 00:10:44,820 --> 00:10:47,200 (Kirby) I don't know if she even knew she was abused. 183 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,620 You know, you grow up, you just think that's the way the world is. 184 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:55,330 (female interviewer) 185 00:11:01,170 --> 00:11:02,590 I don't know. 186 00:11:02,630 --> 00:11:05,140 They've always been this way towards my husband. 187 00:11:05,180 --> 00:11:06,510 (female interviewer continues) 188 00:11:06,550 --> 00:11:07,890 I do not know. 189 00:11:07,930 --> 00:11:09,470 They've... 190 00:11:09,510 --> 00:11:10,850 I don't know. 191 00:11:11,930 --> 00:11:14,350 (intense music) 192 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:15,900 (reporter) You say that 50 or 60 people 193 00:11:15,940 --> 00:11:18,770 saw the gunman who fired at your husband. 194 00:11:18,820 --> 00:11:21,990 Yes, they was all there. 195 00:11:22,030 --> 00:11:25,160 I looked at them to see what they was looking at. 196 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,160 They were just staring and laughing. 197 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,660 (reporter) The gunman. Who was that? 198 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:09,910 (gunshots firing) 199 00:12:09,950 --> 00:12:12,580 (glass shatters) 200 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,430 (Bill) By the time we got it, see, the investigation people 201 00:12:27,470 --> 00:12:28,970 had stripped the inside. 202 00:12:32,350 --> 00:12:34,720 When it came in, it had two bullet holes 203 00:12:34,770 --> 00:12:36,560 through the side of the box over there 204 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,980 that came up, there was holes in the back of the cab, 205 00:12:41,020 --> 00:12:42,650 the front of the box, 206 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:45,240 and in through the windshield, through the back glass. 207 00:12:54,830 --> 00:12:56,750 Side glass was blown out. 208 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,420 New seats from the bloodstains. 209 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:05,510 And then, there was specks of blood 210 00:13:05,550 --> 00:13:09,720 all over the inside, of course, and we had to clean all that up. 211 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,260 (Juarez) Who has a town of 400 people... 212 00:13:16,980 --> 00:13:19,690 and better than 60 of them are gathered 213 00:13:19,730 --> 00:13:21,150 around a pickup truck, 214 00:13:21,190 --> 00:13:22,940 and you've got people shooting a man 215 00:13:22,980 --> 00:13:24,730 sitting inside of it, but yet... 216 00:13:24,770 --> 00:13:26,740 there's not one person that saw it. 217 00:13:31,660 --> 00:13:34,450 First thing I think about when I think about Skidmore is 218 00:13:34,490 --> 00:13:36,450 what happened to my dad and my family, 219 00:13:36,490 --> 00:13:39,330 and pretty much how it transformed our lives. 220 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:45,000 The day my father was killed, 221 00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:46,960 I was 13 years old. 222 00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:51,840 I remember we was on our way to my dad's house. 223 00:13:51,890 --> 00:13:54,010 The phone call it came, and I seen the reaction 224 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:55,510 on my mom's face. 225 00:13:57,810 --> 00:13:59,020 I don't know how else to put it, 226 00:13:59,060 --> 00:14:00,440 other than the fact that... 227 00:14:02,150 --> 00:14:02,940 I knew. 228 00:14:02,980 --> 00:14:04,810 (gunshot fires) 229 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,320 (intense music) 230 00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:18,830 I didn't feel it on the ride up there like that, 231 00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:22,170 because I was just not sure what to feel. 232 00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:25,290 But there's a lot of things 233 00:14:25,340 --> 00:14:29,130 that throughout these 37 years that... I forgot. 234 00:14:29,170 --> 00:14:31,420 Maybe I don't wanna remember. You know what I mean? 235 00:14:31,470 --> 00:14:34,220 I put that part of my life behind me for a reason. 236 00:14:39,770 --> 00:14:41,480 The things that you don't ever forget 237 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,190 is that blood running down the streets, 238 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:45,400 you don't forget the bone, the hair, the flesh. 239 00:14:50,030 --> 00:14:52,280 You'll never, ever, forget seeing 240 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,110 your father's meat and flesh 241 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,570 blown all over the inside of a pickup. 242 00:14:59,990 --> 00:15:01,370 You can't erase that memory. 243 00:15:01,410 --> 00:15:03,830 That is something you'll never get rid of. 244 00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:09,590 (crickets chirping) 245 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:12,470 (Ken Jr) I remember us all sitting at the farmhouse, 246 00:15:12,510 --> 00:15:16,430 all the kids, and them all telling us, you know... 247 00:15:16,470 --> 00:15:18,850 he went to heaven. 248 00:15:18,890 --> 00:15:20,680 And I remember standing at the back door 249 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,100 looking up at the sky. 250 00:15:23,140 --> 00:15:25,270 All the kids were crying a lot. 251 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,730 I mean, I was pretty young, so... 252 00:15:31,780 --> 00:15:34,530 that's about all I can remember of it. 253 00:15:36,410 --> 00:15:38,120 (Cheryl) You know, I don't blame those kids 254 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,410 for being upset 'cause their dad was shot. 255 00:15:40,450 --> 00:15:46,330 I can't imagine being them, growing up with the McElroy name, 256 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:49,340 and having to be associated with all that. 257 00:15:53,550 --> 00:15:56,010 (Juarez) Pretty much when you start looking back at things, 258 00:15:56,050 --> 00:15:58,850 you understand where people were created... and why they were created. 259 00:15:58,890 --> 00:16:01,510 I think that Ken Rex McElroy's upbringing 260 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,020 had a lot to do with the man he became. 261 00:16:05,060 --> 00:16:08,900 He was the 13th out of 14 kids. 262 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:12,480 You're fighting for food, your place at the table, 263 00:16:12,530 --> 00:16:15,240 you're probably fighting for your space in the bed. 264 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,280 You're fighting for everything. 265 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:20,830 (Cheryl) He was uneducated... 266 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:22,790 back then and some now. 267 00:16:22,830 --> 00:16:25,000 Poor families were looked down on, 268 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,210 felt sorry for, and he didn't like that image. 269 00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:35,760 I think that he refused to feel inferior to anybody. 270 00:16:37,050 --> 00:16:39,140 There's not a lot of money in the house. 271 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:43,180 Your father is probably pretty abusive. 272 00:16:43,220 --> 00:16:48,980 Not only to you, but to the brothers and sisters that you love. 273 00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:50,810 (Toni) My mom said that my dad did love animals. 274 00:16:50,860 --> 00:16:54,570 She knew that he had love for animals a long time. 275 00:16:54,610 --> 00:16:58,610 Grandpa kind of proceeded to beat that out of him. 276 00:16:58,660 --> 00:17:01,030 The one story was where he was in the barn, 277 00:17:01,070 --> 00:17:03,830 and Grandpa was wanting him to do something that was 278 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:07,370 abusive to an animal, and my dad, I guess, 279 00:17:07,410 --> 00:17:11,080 had refused multiple times to do what was being asked, 280 00:17:11,130 --> 00:17:14,090 and so Grandpa would keep punishing him 281 00:17:14,130 --> 00:17:16,550 until he would finally get him to break 282 00:17:16,590 --> 00:17:18,340 and do what he would request. 283 00:17:23,010 --> 00:17:26,810 In a situation like that, it's pretty easy 284 00:17:26,850 --> 00:17:28,310 to grow up to be a bully. 285 00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:32,650 (man) People call him a town bully, that's not right. 286 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:34,360 He was a rural terrorist. 287 00:17:37,820 --> 00:17:40,320 (Toni) Do I believe that there was bad things that Dad did? 288 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,280 Yes. 289 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,330 He wasn't a perfect man by far. 290 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:46,870 But they planned that murder. 291 00:17:46,910 --> 00:17:48,750 They went in, they had a town meeting, 292 00:17:48,790 --> 00:17:50,960 they all sat down together, 293 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,670 they decided that they were gonna do it, and they done it. 294 00:17:53,710 --> 00:17:55,250 (gunshot fires) 295 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,640 (Ken Jr) I mean, when you've got the law, you've got the judicial system, 296 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,680 everybody in the area, they're related to one another... 297 00:18:07,140 --> 00:18:09,020 everybody covers for everybody. 298 00:18:17,780 --> 00:18:20,240 the Nodaway County prosecutor. 299 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,700 Mr. Baird, how would you describe the situation 300 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:26,120 with the investigation at this point? 301 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,120 (David) So, whenthe day 302 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,500 of the shooting of Ken Rex McElroy, 303 00:18:31,540 --> 00:18:36,790 we have to move out of 2018 and back to 1981. 304 00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:40,970 And I say that because it's a change in technology. 305 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:44,970 We did not have cellphones, we did not have texting, 306 00:18:45,010 --> 00:18:46,640 we did not have any of the things 307 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,220 that we take for granted today. 308 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:55,810 Well, we started off with a NOMIS squad, 309 00:18:55,860 --> 00:18:57,770 which started on the Friday of the shooting 310 00:18:57,820 --> 00:18:59,900 which was the 10th of July. 311 00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:03,280 (David) NOMIS is a major case squad 312 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,780 made up of law enforcement throughout northwest Missouri. 313 00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:11,370 When NOMIS is activated, it's activated for a five day period. 314 00:19:11,410 --> 00:19:14,710 It's designed to be short, quick, get in, get out. 315 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:18,460 We had anywhere from 18 to 25 officers 316 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:20,590 working nearly around the clock and thereafter 317 00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:22,090 on all day shifts. 318 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:24,050 (reporter) How can you have this many people 319 00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:26,300 near where a murder was perpetrated 320 00:19:26,340 --> 00:19:28,970 and not have anyone say that they actually saw 321 00:19:29,010 --> 00:19:30,470 the person who did it. 322 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,680 I can't really answer that. 323 00:19:32,730 --> 00:19:35,190 (reporter) Has that been one of the stumbling blocks thus far, or what? 324 00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:37,110 That's been a big stumbling block. 325 00:19:40,020 --> 00:19:43,280 (David) The process is that you start with what you know 326 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,570 at the center, and then you see how far it expands out. 327 00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:56,080 The only real witness they had was Mrs. McElroy. 328 00:19:58,290 --> 00:20:00,880 (newscaster) Trena McElroy told reporters she knows 329 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,630 who killed her husband. 330 00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:05,630 But Mrs. McElroy accused authorities of not working 331 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,220 to solve the homicide. 332 00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:10,850 (reporter) Just tell me what happened, right, 333 00:20:10,890 --> 00:20:13,680 I mean there was tension in the air 334 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,190 in that place, right? 335 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:18,480 I seen a man go across the street, 336 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,900 go to his pickup, take the gun out, 337 00:20:21,940 --> 00:20:23,360 and I seen him shoot it. 338 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,150 (reporter) Who was that? 339 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:26,490 It was Del Clement. 340 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,790 (Charlie) Del Clement was a rancher in the Skidmore area, 341 00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:37,210 lived out west of town. 342 00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:41,130 And as far as why he would have a reason 343 00:20:41,170 --> 00:20:44,590 to kill Ken Rex McElroy, I wouldn't have a clue. 344 00:20:51,550 --> 00:20:55,850 (gunshots firing) 345 00:20:55,890 --> 00:20:59,400 (Trena) He shot two times while I was in there. 346 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,820 He shot two more times when I was getting out. 347 00:21:02,860 --> 00:21:05,360 And I don't know how many more. 348 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,490 (reporter) You're absolutely positive it was Del Clement 349 00:21:07,530 --> 00:21:10,820 -who shot your husband? -Yes. I seen him shoot it. 350 00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:13,160 (Charlie) She said she saw Del Clement. 351 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,660 She saw him holding a long gun of some type. 352 00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:21,460 Sure, I believe her. No reason not to. 353 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,340 (reporter) Trena says she saw who killed Ken. 354 00:21:29,380 --> 00:21:33,050 Trena is a liar. Let's make it plain. 355 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:37,640 (Tom) If you knew Skidmore, you knew that there was 356 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,480 lots of trouble between Ken Rex McElroy and Del Clement. 357 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,900 (newscaster) Del Clement, the owner of the D&G bar, 358 00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:46,150 was one of the shooters, according to McElroy's wife. He denies it. 359 00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:50,700 (Charlie) The Clement family, they were pillars of the community. 360 00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:53,320 (Britt) Del, he was the cowboy. 361 00:21:53,370 --> 00:21:56,080 And he was the big cowboy in this area. 362 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:59,160 I mean at the rodeos, he was the pickup man. 363 00:21:59,210 --> 00:22:02,750 All that. Good cowboy. 364 00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:06,420 (Charlie) He was the one who walked into the bar that day 365 00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:10,170 and told McElroy to get the hell out of town. 366 00:22:10,220 --> 00:22:12,640 (reporter) Had there been bad blood between... 367 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,350 Not that I know of. I never did know my husband even talking to the man. 368 00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:18,060 The only thing that we did here 369 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:20,730 that if my husband went into town, 370 00:22:20,770 --> 00:22:23,770 they would lose $60 a day in their tavern. 371 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:26,610 (reporter) Because nobody would come in the bar. 372 00:22:26,650 --> 00:22:29,690 So the suggestion is that Ken Rex McElroy 373 00:22:29,740 --> 00:22:31,900 was bad for the D&G's business. 374 00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:34,160 The rumor was. 375 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,700 The rumor, yeah. The rumor was. 376 00:22:35,740 --> 00:22:37,830 But, he never caused no trouble. 377 00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:41,160 My husband never caused no trouble with nobody. 378 00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:44,630 (Cathy) Don't believe everything you hear in Skidmore. 379 00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:48,800 OK? 380 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,050 One thing people in Nodaway County are free with 381 00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:56,050 is opinions. (laughs) 382 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:03,440 Small towns are small towns. 383 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,360 Everybody's got their thought of how it happened, 384 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,270 why it happened, who did it. 385 00:23:09,570 --> 00:23:11,690 How do you tell the truth? 386 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:14,450 How do you find the truth? 387 00:23:14,490 --> 00:23:16,820 You've gotta look at it logically 388 00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:21,200 because there's so many emotions involved... 389 00:23:21,250 --> 00:23:23,580 in anything like this. 390 00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:30,420 She was a very staunch supporter of Ken Rex McElroy. 391 00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:33,840 She rode around in the trucks. 392 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,430 Had guns in her hand. 393 00:23:37,470 --> 00:23:41,810 Trena was very devoted... in a twisted way. 394 00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:46,560 They were his backups, you know a lot of time 395 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,650 they went to a bar, they'd sit outside 396 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:52,320 with their shotguns, you know, in case there was trouble. 397 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,450 It'd be like Bonnie and Clyde. 398 00:23:59,830 --> 00:24:03,450 It's her word against Del Clement's, I guess. 399 00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:17,640 a vigilante group killed McElroy. 400 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,430 One resident said he hopes the case is solved soon 401 00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:22,810 so the town can return to a normal life. 402 00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:24,850 (reporter) Except for McElroy's wife, 403 00:24:24,890 --> 00:24:26,640 no one has come forward 404 00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:28,230 to point out a suspect in his killing. 405 00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:29,900 (newscaster) Authorities believe that 406 00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:31,400 half of the town's citizens saw it, 407 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,860 but no one will come forward. 408 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:39,120 (David) I did not anticipate that we would not have 409 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,410 witnesses, testimony, and evidence 410 00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:43,790 within a relatively short period of time. 411 00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:51,750 You know, it's frustrating for a prosecutor, it's frustrating for the officers, 412 00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:54,670 but that's, you know, the situation that we're in now. 413 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,140 (Steve) There's a bit of pressure on law enforcement 414 00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:02,430 whenever a crime goes unsolved. 415 00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:06,680 There's a bit of pressure. 416 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:10,350 (David) Understand that the prosecutor doesn't really 417 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,230 have anything to do with the investigation. 418 00:25:13,270 --> 00:25:15,150 The investigation is done by law enforcement. 419 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:19,200 My reports come from the state investigation, 420 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,660 which in this case was NOMIS and the sheriff's department. 421 00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:28,210 (reporter) Ken McElroy was shot and killed last Friday 422 00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:30,420 over in Skidmore Missouri, and since that time 423 00:25:30,460 --> 00:25:33,590 I know the Northwest Missouri Major Case Squad has been called in. 424 00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:37,510 What has your investigation been focusing on? 425 00:25:37,550 --> 00:25:40,180 I can't really comment on that at this time. 426 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:45,140 NOMIS called almost immediately for a coroner's inquest. 427 00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:48,640 Coroner's inquests are sort of a mini grand jury. 428 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,310 It's six people that are in panel, 429 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:54,060 they hear testimony, and their job 430 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:57,110 is to determine whether or not a crime has been committed. 431 00:25:57,150 --> 00:26:00,910 (David) And the statute says that if they come back and say, 432 00:26:00,950 --> 00:26:03,530 "We find this was by criminal means", 433 00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:05,740 and name a specific individual, 434 00:26:05,790 --> 00:26:08,410 that, in effect, becomes an indictment 435 00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:11,170 based upon their findings. 436 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:16,920 (Steve) It was a way for independent individuals 437 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,420 unrelated to the case to hear the testimony 438 00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:24,970 of Mrs. McElroy, to determine if they would believe 439 00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:27,430 her statement and her testimony 440 00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:31,890 as to this is how the incident occurred. 441 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:35,020 I'm not sure you could find a true impartial jury 442 00:26:35,060 --> 00:26:38,190 in Skidmore, Missouri. 443 00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:41,530 -(female reporter) Were you in town the day of the shooting? -Yes. 444 00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:43,110 (female reporter) Where were you? 445 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,740 Just a block, the little white house on the corner, 446 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:48,200 but I didn't hear, see, or anything, 447 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,910 'cause I was working out in the garden, 448 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,170 and I just didn't have any care. 449 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:58,090 (Trena) People's afraid to say what they seen 450 00:26:58,130 --> 00:27:00,300 because they're afraid what's gonna happen to them 451 00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:01,800 and their family. 452 00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:08,680 (reporter) Counselor, who shot him? 453 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,350 His wife says that Mr. Clement. 454 00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:12,690 Del Clement shot him. 455 00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:17,020 Now, the prosecuting attorney has said 456 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:20,780 well it seems that, and I understand this is the allegation, 457 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:25,360 that probably he was shot by more than one person. 458 00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:27,120 And they've tried to make something of that, 459 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,330 as far as I read in the news media, 460 00:27:29,370 --> 00:27:33,160 Mrs. McElroy says that could well be. 461 00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:35,370 But she said I saw one of the people 462 00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:38,250 who shot my husband. 463 00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:40,630 (Steve) She went to the coroner's inquest and... 464 00:27:40,670 --> 00:27:43,470 and she testified that she saw Del Clement 465 00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:49,470 grab a high powered rifle out of his pickup truck 466 00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:52,430 and fire the shots that killed her husband. 467 00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:59,270 (David) I'm gonna play defense now. 468 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,360 He had a motive. So did 30 other people. 469 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,150 Who's your eyewitness? 470 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,450 Trena McElroy. 471 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:09,740 Now, the truth is... 472 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,130 The truth is that, um, 473 00:28:20,170 --> 00:28:25,300 at one point we had another witness who we were prepared 474 00:28:25,340 --> 00:28:27,640 to take in front of the grand jury 475 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,010 who then got an attorney, recanted, and wouldn't testify. 476 00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:35,390 I can't put on that he previously told the officer 477 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:36,690 here's who it was. 478 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,360 (Trena) One person was gonna go up to testify. 479 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,320 And I heard that when he went up to testify, uh, 480 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,200 the prosecutor was gonna put him in a room 481 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,280 to put down what he said, 482 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:54,080 well when he went back, his fence was cut and his cattle was took. 483 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,670 They was gone. They had drove them out of the lot. 484 00:28:57,710 --> 00:29:00,040 So now, I'm back to Trena. 485 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,340 (reporter) Trena McElroy says she saw who did it. 486 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,220 Do you believe her? 487 00:29:09,090 --> 00:29:11,850 I don't. No, I don't believe her. 488 00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:17,520 Because I think if she actually saw who done it, 489 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,610 uh... I think probably there would have been something done about it. 490 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,240 (Steve) While the investigation into the murder 491 00:29:35,290 --> 00:29:38,330 of Ken Rex McElroy was going on, 492 00:29:38,370 --> 00:29:41,420 Trena and her kids disappeared. 493 00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:45,960 The whole McElroy family went into hiding. 494 00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:47,760 Maybe they thought they were next, 495 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,010 maybe they felt their lives were in danger. 496 00:29:50,050 --> 00:29:51,300 Who knows? 497 00:29:52,890 --> 00:29:54,680 (Ken Jr) Right after the incident, you know, 498 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,680 there was a time that people would drive by at night 499 00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:59,520 and they'd shoot into the house. 500 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:05,110 -(gunshots firing) -(engine revs) 501 00:30:05,150 --> 00:30:09,820 At 13 years old, you know, that's not something you're used to growing up with. 502 00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:11,950 It's like a war zone in a small town. 503 00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:13,620 Everybody was meeting at the house, 504 00:30:13,660 --> 00:30:16,580 and us kids were sitting outside by the tree, 505 00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:19,500 and a Jeep drove by and fired a gun. 506 00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:22,750 And my sister yelled, "Oh, my God!" 507 00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:25,880 And the bullet had hit right above my head. 508 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,960 They attempted to shoot at me and my little brother, 509 00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:32,510 and the bullet... I mean literally grazed my brother's ear. 510 00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:34,680 You're out in the middle of nowhere, 511 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,350 and they try to kill us. 512 00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:40,020 The emotion was to just pack up and get the hell out. 513 00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:55,450 to have a murder case in which there's anywhere from 50 to 70 witnesses, 514 00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:57,910 and you don't make a case. 515 00:30:57,950 --> 00:31:04,330 (David) As a prosecutor, my role is to be fair and just to everyone, 516 00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:08,050 it was my estimation that we could not prove 517 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:12,630 and convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt 518 00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:17,930 that a particular defendant committed this crime. 519 00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:20,520 But it's always possible I'm wrong. 520 00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:27,190 It's always possible that jurors would disagree, 521 00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:29,900 and would in fact, make the determination 522 00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:33,280 that this evidence is sufficient. 523 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,240 And so one of the ways you can do that 524 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,540 is by using a grand jury. 525 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,500 (newscaster) In a little town in northwest Missouri, 526 00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:47,040 a grand jury will meet tomorrow, and is expected 527 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,750 to consider an unusual murder case. 528 00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:51,590 The victim's widow says she can identify the killer, 529 00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:53,340 but at least some people are asking 530 00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:55,970 if it isn't really a case against an entire town. 531 00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:59,510 (intense music) 532 00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:05,270 (David) Normally, you don't have a grand jury 533 00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:07,810 in a county of this size. 534 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,730 In all the years that I was prosecutor, 535 00:32:09,770 --> 00:32:12,230 the only time I had the grand jury was 536 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,990 for the Ken Rex McElroy investigation. 537 00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:17,570 (newscaster) A grand jury is being convened, 538 00:32:17,610 --> 00:32:20,370 but unless the town breaks its code of silence, 539 00:32:20,410 --> 00:32:22,370 an indictment isn't likely. 540 00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:25,250 A statesman once said, "You can't indict a people." 541 00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:27,880 Well, you can't indict a whole town either. 542 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:45,430 (David) The problem with any witness in any case 543 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,100 is making sure that that witness' testimony 544 00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:51,190 is believable to a jury. 545 00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:56,240 Based upon the evidence I had, I had no reason to disbelieve her. 546 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:02,700 Why did the grand jury not believe Mrs. McElroy? 547 00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:04,490 I do not have an answer. 548 00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:09,750 (reporter) Could your husband ever get a fair trial in that county? 549 00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:14,300 No. No, there's too much prejudice. 550 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:18,260 Too many talk, everybody just talked. 551 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:20,800 And a lot of them didn't know my husband at all. 552 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,350 They just heard rumors and stuff. 553 00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:23,930 (reporter) They had a grand jury, 554 00:33:23,970 --> 00:33:28,270 and it sat for a long time. 555 00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:30,690 Grand jury on what? 556 00:33:30,730 --> 00:33:32,940 (reporter) On the... into the... 557 00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:35,400 Looking into the murder of your husband. 558 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,530 Came up with nothing. 559 00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:40,280 Oh, there's a lot of people that seen it. 560 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,830 (reporter) You will probably not be surprised to learn 561 00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:48,870 that so far no one's been charged with the murder 562 00:33:48,910 --> 00:33:51,250 of Ken Rex McElroy. 563 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:55,710 (Steve) This grand jury decided that there wasn't enough evidence 564 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:59,130 to indict anyone. 565 00:33:59,170 --> 00:34:03,800 The coroner's inquest was an exercise in futility. 566 00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:08,600 Local investigations have so far come up with zero. 567 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,230 A person, or persons, unknown, shot and killed 568 00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:15,110 Ken Rex McElroy. 569 00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:18,650 Really? (stammers) 570 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:20,700 Was that the determination? 571 00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:26,830 They were no doubt told by Trena who pulled the trigger. 572 00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:28,790 So for them to come up that determination 573 00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:31,250 is... is... it's a bit ridiculous. 574 00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:34,250 (reporter) McElroy's wife, Trena, says she knows 575 00:34:34,290 --> 00:34:37,340 who killed her husband, but police refuse to act. 576 00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:41,800 (interviewer) Why haven't charges then been filed against at least that suspect? 577 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,550 Well, homicide is a very serious crime, 578 00:34:44,590 --> 00:34:47,720 and carries a very heavy penalty... 579 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,930 and we need time for a thorough investigation 580 00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:52,020 before charges will be filed. 581 00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:54,650 (Richard) There has been a conspiracy of silence. 582 00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:57,690 You cannot tell me that 40 to 70 people 583 00:34:57,730 --> 00:35:01,780 standing on the sidewalk, and a man is in his truck, 584 00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:03,950 and he's shot four times in the head, 585 00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:06,280 that somebody did not see who shot him, 586 00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:07,830 and nobody has come forward. 587 00:35:07,870 --> 00:35:09,750 Now, I've had some people who tell me, 588 00:35:09,790 --> 00:35:11,660 "I know who did it, but I'm afraid. 589 00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:14,420 What would happen to me if I tell you 590 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:16,670 who shot Mr. McElroy?" 591 00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:19,710 I can tell you, but I don't want to go under oath 592 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,130 or go before a grand jury. 593 00:35:23,050 --> 00:35:24,720 These people freeze up. 594 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,850 They're not going to say anything. 595 00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:31,980 (Charlie) It's quite a conspiracy to buy into. 596 00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:34,310 I don't believe it for a second. 597 00:35:34,350 --> 00:35:36,520 (Steve) The thing of it is, 598 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,940 we don't know what happened in that grand jury courtroom. 599 00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:42,320 None of us were there. 600 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,740 Nobody knows what's been asked, 601 00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:47,490 nobody knows what's been talked about... at all. 602 00:35:47,530 --> 00:35:49,280 They're totally secret. 603 00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:57,250 A lot of people told me in the town 604 00:35:57,290 --> 00:36:00,750 that they really don't care if the man who shot, 605 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,130 or the people who shot McElroy, are ever caught. 606 00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:07,890 Do you think that they'll get their wish? 607 00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:12,640 Generally said, "no witness, no case". 608 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:19,150 And in fact whoever, or how many ever shot him, 609 00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:22,820 they're free today on the same principle he lived by: 610 00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:24,400 "No witness, no case." 611 00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:44,170 after Ken McElroy's death. 612 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,510 A death some say has erased the fear 613 00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:50,890 that reigned while McElroy lived. 614 00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:54,850 (Steve) After Ken was shot, it was almost as if 615 00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:59,100 Skidmore was trying to forget the legacy 616 00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:00,940 that he gave to that town. 617 00:37:00,980 --> 00:37:02,570 (reporter) Skidmore killed its bully, 618 00:37:02,610 --> 00:37:04,820 and most are happy he's dead, 619 00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:07,320 but the town is uncomfortable with how it was done, 620 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,240 and the notoriety that followed. 621 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,450 It's over and done with. We'd like to start forgetting about it. 622 00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:17,620 I hope and pray that they never find out who did it... 623 00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:20,080 because I think the fellow got what he deserved. 624 00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:27,220 (Charlie) I'm very sympathetic to those people. 625 00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:29,840 The wheels of justice turned too slow 626 00:37:29,890 --> 00:37:31,760 or weren't turning at all. 627 00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:35,140 I'm very sympathetic to the fact 628 00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:38,230 that they took justice into their own hands, 629 00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:40,020 vigilante style, 630 00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:42,110 and got rid of the problem. 631 00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:46,230 (Britt) They did what had to be done. 632 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,450 I appreciate that. I respect that. 633 00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:53,240 I respect that kind of courage. 634 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,240 Was it good? No. 635 00:37:55,290 --> 00:37:56,950 Was it justified? 636 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,960 Only because there was no justice. 637 00:38:04,540 --> 00:38:07,130 (reporter) A lot of people in Skidmore feel that-- 638 00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:11,680 that whoever... whoever killed him was justified, 639 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,550 that since the law couldn't protect them 640 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,350 they had to take the law into their own hands. 641 00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:18,560 I don't think that anyone is ever justified 642 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,560 in taking the law into their hands. 643 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,190 That's why we have laws. 644 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:23,650 The same laws which protect 645 00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:25,860 the citizens of the United States, 646 00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:29,030 anyone including the laws which would protect Mr. McElroy. 647 00:38:29,070 --> 00:38:31,740 And at this point, you know, it remains an active case 648 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:33,740 and will be handled as such. 649 00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:38,040 My personal opinion is anytime that there is a crime 650 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,210 for which a person is not held accountable, 651 00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:44,130 then justice was not done. 652 00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:45,630 (reporter) Do you think there is 653 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:47,670 a kind of conspiracy of silence? 654 00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:53,340 (Juarez) I believe without any shadow of a doubt that there was a major cover-up here. 655 00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:57,010 Not only by law enforcement, but of all the people in that town. 656 00:38:58,810 --> 00:39:01,180 (Ken Jr) When he got killed and they got away with it, 657 00:39:01,230 --> 00:39:03,900 at that point, they felt protected. 658 00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:06,860 They felt that, you know what, there ain't a whole lot we can't do here, 659 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:10,780 that we're not gonna be able to get away with. 660 00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:13,660 (Toni) I get a little angry sometimes in this whole scenario, 661 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:15,370 because that's how it was done. 662 00:39:15,410 --> 00:39:17,620 I know the sheriff and them were involved. 663 00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:20,700 I don't care what anyone has to say, 664 00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:21,960 whether it ever comes to light. 665 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,120 I know they were involved. 666 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:25,750 I believe that it was a conspiracy, 667 00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:28,250 I mean, till they hold to this day, 668 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:30,380 and they're gonna keep holding it 669 00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:32,880 until the day they die. 670 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,300 So, if this is a town divided between those 671 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:39,350 who despised McElroy, and those who disapprove of murder, 672 00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:42,730 it is also a town united by fear on both sides. 673 00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:47,230 A fear that is holding truth hostage. 674 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:51,740 (reporter) Do you feel that whoever shot your husband is gonna be charged with murder? 675 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,910 They're not gonna do anything in that county... to him. 676 00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:07,670 (reporter) 677 00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:09,540 Yes. 678 00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:11,630 Today. 679 00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:23,140 (reporter) What is the significance, if any, 680 00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:25,730 of the FBI's entrance into the case? 681 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,480 Really, I don't know. 682 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,320 I know that Mrs. McElroy, by and through her attorney, 683 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,990 contacted the FBI in regards to allegations 684 00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:42,120 that we were not fully investigating. 685 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,000 I know that in response to that, the FBI is making routine checks into it, 686 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,420 and that is about the entirety of my understanding of their investigation. 687 00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:54,590 (newscaster) Trena McElroy named her husband's shooter, 688 00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:56,880 but neither a coroner's jury, nor a grand jury, 689 00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:59,300 decided there's enough evidence to file charges. 690 00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:01,680 Now, the FBI is getting involved. 691 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,270 (Trena) I mean, they're all in it together. 692 00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:07,480 It was set up, and they're all gonna stick together. 693 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,360 I mean, every one of them seen it. 694 00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:16,570 (Robert) The FBI became involved when Gene McFadin 695 00:41:16,610 --> 00:41:20,200 who represented McElroy, and his wife Trena, 696 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:23,200 contacted the FBI. 697 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,620 When the federal government gets involved 698 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:28,210 it becomes, for some people, more serious. 699 00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:30,500 Suddenly having the federal government present 700 00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:34,500 inquiring through the FBI, I'm sure had an impact on the community. 701 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:38,720 (newscaster) FBI agents came to town dressed like farmers. 702 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,550 And now few will talk to outsiders at all. 703 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:46,100 (Robert) My strategy was to subpoena the individuals 704 00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:49,520 who were present when McElroy was killed. 705 00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:52,270 The FBI then sent out agent, 706 00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:53,820 maybe as many as 10, 707 00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:56,480 to subpoena the people who were present 708 00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:59,490 during the murder of McElroy. 709 00:41:59,530 --> 00:42:01,820 Of course, they were obligated to respond to the subpoena 710 00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:03,370 by being present. 711 00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:09,410 And they were asked, each of them, what they observed 712 00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:11,500 when McElroy was killed. 713 00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:14,710 And they told us what they saw. 714 00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:19,470 (reporter) The fear has been replaced by a new anxiety. 715 00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:21,260 There could be federal indictments, 716 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,260 and some of the town's leading citizens 717 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:25,890 could face a long and costly trial. 717 00:42:26,305 --> 00:43:26,900 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 57137

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