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Mandy was not allowed to have
any boyfriend growing up.
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You had to make sureyou lived byThe Bible.
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If you didn't, it was a sin.
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[Juanita] The reason Mandymarried Paul so quick
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was because they were
trying to do things right.
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She seemed happy.
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And that made me happy.
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[Denise] At first, Paul seemedlike a good man.
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But the trouble was,
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she knew nothing of him.
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[Runyon] The folkswho are quiet,
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those are the folksthat you may least expect,
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but who could prove
to be the most dangerous.
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[police officer speaking]
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[Paul speaking]
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This case is one
that involves an act of evil.
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[Paul speaking]
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[Denise] It was a tragedy.
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It broke our whole family.
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[Juanita] I would've likedto have ripped his head off
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and fed it to my pigs.
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[Paul speaking]
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Mandy was really outgoing.
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She was an amazing person.
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She taught mehow to ride bikes,
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and we played dolls and wenton trips to Tennessee.
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[Juanita] Mandy wasvery quirky,
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she was always being funny.
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Being more silly than funny.
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You know what I mean?
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[laughing]
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[screams]
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[Juanita] She alwaystried to make you laugh,
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that was how she came across.
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She had a real personality.
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My grandfather was the pastorof our local church.
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We went to church,
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it was like Wednesday night,
Biblestudy,
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Saturday night, you know,choir practice,
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Sunday morning:morning service,night service,
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so that was a big part
of our weeks.
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This is Mandy's
baptizing photo.
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She was like 15 or 16 there.
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I did feel like we weresheltered a little much.
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Dating and boys,
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that was not something
that they did in the church.
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[Denise] Mandy was not allowedto have any boyfriendgrowing up.
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Paw-paw was
very strict on that.
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[Juanita] You didn't havethose relationsuntil you were married.
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That's something
in all churches around here,
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that's in this
whole community.
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It was a very strict way
of growing up.
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Couldn't do much
of what you wanted.
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You had to make sure
you lived by The Bible.
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If you didn't, it was a sin.
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[Runyon] Paul Lemaymet Mandy online,
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they met on Facebook.
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Paul Lemay came downto eastern Kentucky
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by way of Massachusetts.
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I think Paul was
very smitten by Mandy.
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I think he was veryattracted to the idea
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that a woman so far away
wanted him.
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That's what precipitated
his relocation to eastern Kentucky.
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The trouble was,
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she knew nothing of him.
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[Juanita] Paul was older.
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He was 47 or 48.
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He'd already lived life,
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so she, in her mind,
she thought he was smarter about things.
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[Denise] Mandy likedthat he was different,not from around here.
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Paul would come
every other weekend to Kentucky or to church.
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[Juanita] Paul wasportrayed to me
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as a religious personand a good guy.
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He was this big Christian guy
who was really nice.
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I was happy for her.
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She had said that they had
things in common,
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that they could actually
talk to each other for a long time.
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She seemed happy.
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And that made me happy.
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They dated about seven months,at the most.
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And then, they got married.
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From what she had told me,
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the reason she married
Paul so quick
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was because they were
trying to do things right.
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It was just a little,small wedding,
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just a few people from theirchurch that they went to.
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It was a 15-minute ceremony.
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It was nothing fancy.
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My grandparents thought
it was a good thing, too,
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getting married to Paul.
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They liked that he had a job,
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could provide for her,and had two vehicles.
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[Juanita] Paul didn't havemuch family nearby.
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None of his family was there,
I know that.
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Looking back,that was very weird to me.
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I've personally never metnone of Paul's family.
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Paul Lemay has this
mysterious past
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where we don't know
a lot of his background,
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and that may be by design.
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It's possible that he
doesn't want Mandy
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or her family or anybody
to know a lot about him.
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It's interesting because wehave someone who,
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on one hand, has estranged
or distant relationships from family members,
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but, on the other hand,
hasn't identified loved one that they've idolized.
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It sets itself upfor problems in the future.
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Paul and Mandy
lived in Oil Springs, Salyersville, Kentucky.
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Just a little town,
a back road.
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Paul, he worked
at a nursing home,
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and he brought home the money.
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He paid for the home
that they lived in.
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[Denise] She didn't haveto work at all, Mandy didn't.
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He'd made sure she had
everything she needed.
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Didn't matter what they are.
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At first, Paul seemed
like a good man.
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From what I seen anyway.
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[Juanita] But, sometimes,
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Paul would saya lot of negative thingson Facebook.
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That may have been his way
to get his point across,
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was through social media.
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Say the things on there
that he couldn't say in person.
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It's a Facebook post
from Paul.
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[reading]
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"All my life, I've been calledno good, that I'm worthless
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then I will never amount
to anything.
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I finally had enough
and I came here to Kentucky
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where I've got myself a home
that I paid for.
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I have a beautiful,loving wife
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and anyone says otherwise,they are a liar."
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He was very fragile,
I could see that.
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He never opened up,
wouldn't talk.
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Maybe there was
a reason behind it.
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There was
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a madness in his old life
that I didn't know about.
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[Tussey] Paul Lemay'sFacebook posts say to me
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that this is someonewho's vulnerable
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and identifies
with this role of someone
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who's been victimized
and has to take on the world.
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[Juanita] At the time,me and my husbandhad separated,
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my children were tiny.
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Mandy, she's like,
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"If you want to,you can come here,
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you can staywith me and Paul."
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She's like, "We can spend
time together, get back to being sisters,"
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and so, in my mind,
it was an awesome idea, because I loved Mandy.
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[choking up]
She was my best friend.
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[gasps softly]
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[Denise] Mandy,she loved her hair dye.
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She started dying her haircrazy colors.
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It was blue, purple.
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One time, she mixed it up,
it was half blonde and half blue.
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[Juanita] One time,we were going to dye,
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you know, dye both of our hair
the same night.
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And we was going to
go out get the hair dyed,
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and Paul wouldn'tallow us to do it.
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To Paul,
it was an unnecessary thing,
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so she couldn't,
she wasn't allowed to do it.
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I don't know why he wouldn't
allow her to do it.
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I'm trying
to answer this for you
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but I can't find a rhyme
to the reason of why he wouldn't let her.
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I suppose he treated herlike a child.
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The fact that Paul Lemay's
relationship with Mandy
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appears to be more like
that of a father and daughter
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is indicative
of his controlling nature.
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It's also interesting
that in this day and age
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where social media
and videos of one another are very common,
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that there's actuallyvery little of thatwith Paul Lemay and Mandy.
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If he can control
the little day-to-day tasks that she does,
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he can ultimately
control her life.
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[Juanita] Paul would workand he would come home,
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and I would say, "Hi, Paul,"
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and he would say, "Hello,"
and then, you know, that was it.
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He would always lockhisself in his bedroom.
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[Runyon] The folks who arequiet and brooding
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and, kind of,seething underneath,
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those are the folks
that you may least expect,
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but who could prove
to be the most dangerous.
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[Juanita] He would alwayslock hisself in his bedroom.
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I thought it was weird.
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He wouldn't associatewith the rest of us.
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Nobody really knew
what was going on in there.
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[Juanita] Paul could be quiet,Paul could be shy.
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Behind closed doors,
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Paul could be a creep.
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He would lock hisself in therelike a hermit crab.
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One time, she had
opened the door
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and asked him
what he wanted for supper,
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and he told her, "I don't carewhat we have for supper,
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I don't careif we effing eat or not."
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In my mind, she was trying
to take care of him
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and do what a wife should be
doing for her husband.
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And he was straight updisrespectful to her.
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This is Mandy at a rough time.
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About 25, probably.
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This was the time she'd get
into arguments with Paul.
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[Juanita] A lot of the times,they would argue,
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they would arguein the bedroom,
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in their room.
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And we tried
to stay away from that,
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'cause I had kids and I didn't
want them to hear that.
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So we always tried
to stay out of the arguments.
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It was always behindthe bedroom door.
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[door slamming]
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Mandy would go in her room
and she would come back out, and she'd be like,
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"Oh, it's happened again.
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Paul, he's inone of his moods."
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I don't know why
she chose to stay
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but I think a lot of it is
that she was actually
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building a home
and building a life.
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And it's just like, to her,
it was nothing much, she'd grown used to it.
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[Tussey] There's indicationthat the arguments
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between Paul and Mandyare escalating.
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It begs the question of,you know,what's happening there.
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Is it that he feels
he's losing control,
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and his own insecurity
is knocking at the door?
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When someone like Pauldoesn't feel in control,
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he may lash out impulsively.
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[Juanita] One day we wasgoing up to see Mom,
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and we had made it
from Salyersville to Prestonsburg.
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And we had made it that far,before he had called heron his break,
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and there was
a heated argument
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to the point
that she pulled over,
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then we turned aroundand went back.
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Anytime Mandy
had to do anything,
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she had to run it by Paul
and make sure Paul was okay with it.
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He had came home from workand he said he wasn'tfeeling good,
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so he went in there
and he laid down and went to sleep.
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And me and Mandy and the kids
had went out to Walmart.
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And he was so madwhen we come back,
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because she had left withoutsaying something to him
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that she went into the room
and wasn't allowed back.
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She didn't come
back out that night.
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Here's the situation
where Paul is about 20 years older than Mandy,
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yet, he has, effectively,
grounded her.
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When individuals are that
controlling and domineering,
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it makes you wonder,
"What else is happening behind closed doors?"
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[Juanita] Felt like she wastrapped in a prison.
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Mandy would say things like,"I feel like I'min jail sometimes," you know.
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Paul was very controlling.
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The last two or three months
that I stayed there,
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we didn't really go anywhere,
or do anything.
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Pretty much the only thinghe allowed Mandy to do
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was to dothe grocery shopping.
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[Denise] Um, he wouldn'tlet her go anywhere
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and do anything or see anyone.
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When she stopped
coming around, I knew something was up.
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Several times, I told Mandy
that she didn't have to put up with that,
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she could leave.
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But she just,
she never would listen.
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It's like she,
it was her relationship, I needed to butt out of it,
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it wasn't any of my business.
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Me and the kids would stayin that room
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on the opposite sidefrom where herand Paul would stay.
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We'd just kept on back there
unless we needed to come out and use the bathroom.
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It was like, we were walkingon eggshells, so to speak.
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Tiptoeing around the house.
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I wish I would've stepped in
and done something
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'cause I feel like
I could've helped her out.
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And I wish that I'd just
let her know that I cared more, you know.
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I wish I'd got herout of there.
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Paul is this quiet fella
who keeps to himself.
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But as time goes on,
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his Facebook posts starts to get more aggressive.
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[Juanita reading]
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Now I'm, kind of,
beating myself up
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for not putting him
on my Facebook.
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I've never seen these.
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It just hurts me.
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I mean, I didn't,
I've not seen those.
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[gasps softly]
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[sobs]
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From a religious perspective,
Paul maybe referring to the enemy as Satan.
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It's also possible
that the enemy is his rage,
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his insecurity.
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This is an exampleof an individual
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who seems to be fightingto control their behavior.
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This Facebook post
is Paul is really trying to bury those demons
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and keep himself
from crossing that line
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from verbal aggressionto physical aggression.
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Had I seen this at the time,
I'd have been angry.
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I'd try to help her.
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[Runyon] It begs the question,
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what kind of threats could
Paul may have been making behind closed doors?
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Regardless of which way we go,
we're heading into the abyss.
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Things are about to get worse.
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[Juanita] One day, one of the kids had climbed upon the table,
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and had knocked over
a couple plates and cups
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that were sitting on the table
from when they were eating,
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Paul, he didn't reallyexplode or anything,
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he went into the room,he had hollered for Mandyto come in there,
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and I don't know what washappening to Mandy.
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Like I said,she was in that room,
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they were locked in there,I don't know.
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They were in therefor over an hour,and when they came out,
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they had gota change or two of clothesfor each one of them,
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and she told me
that they'd be back.
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That's when Paul and Mandyhad left there.
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I could tellsomething was wrong.
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It's not often my sister
calls me crying.
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She told me she was scared for him to be around the kids.
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If I didn't get the kidsout of therebefore they got back,
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that somethingwas going to happen.
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He might hurt themor something.
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There's increasing evidence
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that Paul Lemay
is becoming unraveled.
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That's particularly worrisome,
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because individuals whothreaten or hurt children
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tend to lack remorse
and empathy for others.
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[Juanita] It did, kind of,scare me at that point.
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So the best thing for me to dofor my kids was to leave.
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[thunder rumbling]
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[Juanita] When I left there,with the kids,
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things with Paul and Mandygot a lot worse.
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The trouble was Paul would
act normal sometimes.
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Sometimes, he didn't seemlike a bad guy at all.
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He was nice, he was polite.
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To me, it was strange.
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[Tussey] We're seeing thisJekyll and Hyde personality.
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We have someone who's,
on one hand, saying,
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"Mandy, I love you,
my beautiful wife."
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And on the other hand,someone who iscontrolling her,
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potentially,threatening children,
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not giving her money
to go to the store.
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So we see these two
diametrically opposed personality behaviors.
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And that's actually
quite common in individuals
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who perpetrateinterpersonal violence.
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There was a couple of months
after I moved out,
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she was telling me that he was getting a lot more aggressive.
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She was telling me
that Paul was starting to be more physical with her.
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Started outwith him shoving her.
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And then, it got to where,
he would get in her face
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and he would
get more violent with her.
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She said that she was scaredthat if she didn'tget out of there,
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that she wouldn't
get out of there.
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She called me
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and told me
she did leave Paul.
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She said she wasat a friend's house,
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that she was scared of him,
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and that she didn'twant to go back home.
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She told me they were
good people, she was safe.
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I didn't really question it.
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She was
out of the bad situation
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so, in my mind, she was good.
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And she told me she wasgoing to come overfor Thanksgiving.
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Thanksgiving was really
important to our family,
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'cause it's the only time
we actually sit down around the table
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and gather around
and pray over the food.
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[Juanita] I was excited.
348
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I'm not going to lie,
been months since I'd got to see my sister,
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so I was excited.
350
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[line ringing]
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The family are ready to eat
Thanksgiving dinner.
352
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Dinner comes and goes
but there's no Mandy.
353
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[Juanita] Nobody couldget a hold of her.
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Nobody knew exactly
where she was.
355
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I was the last one to know
where she was
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and she was supposed to be
at that friend's house.
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00:24:10,931 --> 00:24:14,896
As the minutes
turned to hours, the hours turned to days,
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I could imaginea whole host of thoughts,
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you know, running throughtheir head about whereMandy might be.
360
00:24:22,275 --> 00:24:23,758
"Maybe she's in the hospital,"
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uh, "Maybe she's just out
having a good time."
362
00:24:27,103 --> 00:24:30,448
You know, "Maybe Mandy
has gone to see somebody else for Thanksgiving,
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and maybe
she'll turn back up."
364
00:24:38,758 --> 00:24:40,482
Couldn't believe
what happened next.
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00:24:58,137 --> 00:25:03,068
[Juanita] Mandy had told meshe was at a friend's houseand she was safe.
366
00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:06,068
But then, we was having no luck getting a hold of her.
367
00:25:07,068 --> 00:25:09,931
I tried contacting her phone,
368
00:25:09,965 --> 00:25:14,000
her Facebook, her Messenger,
and she just would not answer.
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00:25:15,586 --> 00:25:19,241
I didn't even knowwhere to start to go to look.
370
00:25:21,206 --> 00:25:25,241
I'd went out and I had
printed off some photos to give the State Police.
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00:25:26,724 --> 00:25:29,620
The uncertainty of it all
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was a very terrifying moment
for that family,
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just not knowing.
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Despite the family's concernover Mandy being gonefor over two to three weeks,
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on December 17th,
there's a post on her Facebook account.
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[reading] "I needed
to get away from the drama
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and dry myself out.
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00:25:59,068 --> 00:26:00,758
I will contact the ones
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00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:03,448
and my family
after the first of the year."
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I knew reading that that day
that that wasn't Mandy.
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"I love you,
please understand,
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00:26:11,827 --> 00:26:14,172
I'm going through
hard times right now
383
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but I will contact you
after the first. Love you. Later."
384
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:22,620
That's words of an alcoholic.
385
00:26:23,827 --> 00:26:26,137
Mandy wasn't an alcoholic
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00:26:26,172 --> 00:26:29,482
and didn't have to
dry herself out.
387
00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:36,827
Everything in this
is spelled exactly as it should be
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00:26:36,862 --> 00:26:38,931
down to every last apostrophe
and everything,
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00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:42,103
and Mandy always
spelled things very weird.
390
00:26:45,517 --> 00:26:49,793
Her spelling was never correct
and everything in this was right.
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00:26:49,827 --> 00:26:52,344
And so, reading this
when it came out,
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00:26:52,379 --> 00:26:54,724
everybody knew
something was wrong.
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00:26:54,758 --> 00:26:56,724
Everybody knewthat wasn't Mandy.
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00:27:08,275 --> 00:27:11,413
[Denise] Homer thencontacted Paul
395
00:27:12,551 --> 00:27:15,551
asking where Mandy was,
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00:27:16,275 --> 00:27:18,448
what was going on.
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00:27:18,482 --> 00:27:22,724
Homer asked him
if he was the one that posted that letter.
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00:27:23,758 --> 00:27:25,206
Paul wouldn't speak back.
399
00:27:28,068 --> 00:27:31,448
Then he said he wastrying to find his sister,after a while.
400
00:27:31,482 --> 00:27:35,103
Paul says, "I ain't heardfrom her in weeks either."
401
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That's when they got mad
and called the cops.
402
00:27:41,758 --> 00:27:42,758
[line ringing]
403
00:27:55,655 --> 00:27:56,620
[dispatcher Thompson speaking]
404
00:27:57,413 --> 00:27:58,413
[Homer speaking]
405
00:28:05,758 --> 00:28:06,758
[dispatcher Thompson speaking]
406
00:28:07,482 --> 00:28:08,482
[Homer speaking]
407
00:28:11,551 --> 00:28:12,517
[dispatcher Thompson speaking]
408
00:28:15,275 --> 00:28:16,241
[dispatcher Thompson speaking]
409
00:28:17,793 --> 00:28:18,793
[Homer speaking]
410
00:28:25,655 --> 00:28:26,655
[dispatcher Thompson speaking]
411
00:28:28,448 --> 00:28:29,448
[Homer speaking]
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00:28:30,206 --> 00:28:33,413
Homer was really
annoyed at Paul.
413
00:28:33,448 --> 00:28:36,413
He just wanted to know
where Mandy was.
414
00:28:36,448 --> 00:28:39,655
But she ain't spoke to nobody
in over three weeks.
415
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,655
[Tussey] We know fromthe evidence so far
416
00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:46,620
that Mandy has been
controlled by Paul.
417
00:28:46,655 --> 00:28:49,310
And the family'sprobably thinking,
418
00:28:49,344 --> 00:28:52,517
"Maybe it's justtheir relationship."
419
00:28:52,551 --> 00:28:56,103
It's very possible that Paul
has Mandy trapped inside the house.
420
00:29:04,103 --> 00:29:06,206
[Runyon]
When the trooper arrives
421
00:29:06,241 --> 00:29:08,862
to Mandy and Paul's residence.
422
00:29:08,896 --> 00:29:10,413
He goes up onto the porch,
423
00:29:13,413 --> 00:29:16,068
the blinds are drawn,he can't seeinside the residence.
424
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:22,137
He hears a series of what he
describes as thumps.
425
00:29:22,482 --> 00:29:24,482
[thumping]
426
00:29:28,413 --> 00:29:32,758
It sounded like someone
was moving around in the home,
427
00:29:32,793 --> 00:29:35,034
but nobody evercame to the door.
428
00:29:35,586 --> 00:29:36,931
[inaudible]
429
00:29:36,965 --> 00:29:39,586
[Runyon] So that trooper immediately radios for backup.
430
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,689
Paul, is, in factinside the residence,
431
00:29:45,724 --> 00:29:48,517
and is not comingout of the residence.
432
00:29:48,551 --> 00:29:51,827
The Kentucky State Police
show up very quickly,
433
00:29:51,862 --> 00:29:55,448
it has escalated into
a, "Barricaded subject,
434
00:29:55,482 --> 00:29:58,689
who's refusing to come outand respondto law enforcement commands,"
435
00:29:58,724 --> 00:30:03,551
and who's known to own
a .22 caliber handgun.
436
00:30:05,689 --> 00:30:10,034
They were concernedthat Mandy was beingheld inside the residence.
437
00:30:18,413 --> 00:30:20,482
As the Kentucky State Police
438
00:30:20,517 --> 00:30:27,724
are trying to get Paul Lemay
to cooperate with their commands,
439
00:30:27,758 --> 00:30:33,827
they're looking for folks,neighbors, who might haveany means to contact Paul.
440
00:30:35,793 --> 00:30:40,689
One of the neighborshappens to have Paul Lemayon Facebook Messenger.
441
00:30:41,896 --> 00:30:43,896
[cellphone vibrating]
442
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,310
[Runyon] And Paul responds.
443
00:30:49,034 --> 00:30:52,827
Paul's still refusingto come out of the residence.
444
00:30:55,275 --> 00:30:57,379
But as the time goes on,
445
00:30:57,413 --> 00:30:58,862
Paul wants a cigarette.
446
00:31:00,448 --> 00:31:03,206
The Kentucky State Police
tell Paul,
447
00:31:03,241 --> 00:31:04,896
"You got to come to us."
448
00:31:07,275 --> 00:31:09,827
Paul is very reluctantto do this.
449
00:31:10,965 --> 00:31:13,000
So the neighbor, Pat,
450
00:31:13,034 --> 00:31:17,379
volunteers to takethe cigarette to Paulwho's standing on the porch.
451
00:31:19,172 --> 00:31:21,827
At this time, when Paul
comes out of the residence,
452
00:31:21,862 --> 00:31:27,827
Paul Lemay is dressed
in nothing but sweatpants and no shirt.
453
00:31:27,862 --> 00:31:30,965
December 17 in Kentucky,
it's very cold,
454
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,413
so the next door
neighbor, Pat,
455
00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:35,724
also offers his sweatshirt.
456
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,931
As soon as Paul Lemay
gets that sweatshirt,
457
00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:48,551
he is rushed by two trooperswho were lying in wait.
458
00:31:50,517 --> 00:31:51,965
And that's howthe Kentucky State Police,
459
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,241
eventually, got Paul
into custody.
460
00:31:58,344 --> 00:32:02,275
The State Police begin a sweep
of the Lemay residence
461
00:32:02,827 --> 00:32:04,827
to look for Mandy.
462
00:32:05,965 --> 00:32:08,793
At that point,they had no idea
463
00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:09,965
whether she was dead
464
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000
or alive.
465
00:32:19,517 --> 00:32:23,103
When the troopers walked
into the Lemay residence
466
00:32:24,517 --> 00:32:27,620
they were metby the smell of death.
467
00:32:29,586 --> 00:32:34,379
They could smell
decomposition in the air.
468
00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:41,241
When they get into thisback bedroom,
469
00:32:42,758 --> 00:32:45,931
they can make out
a pile of blankets.
470
00:32:48,448 --> 00:32:52,034
And sticking out from
the bottom of that blanket
471
00:32:52,068 --> 00:32:55,103
is what is obviously
a human foot.
472
00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:02,448
They pull the sheets back,
473
00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:08,000
and there they findthe deceased bodyof Mandy Lemay.
474
00:33:13,206 --> 00:33:17,206
She had a single gunshot woundto the back of her head.
475
00:33:18,137 --> 00:33:20,655
What's clear, at this point,
476
00:33:20,689 --> 00:33:22,896
she had been therefor quite some time.
477
00:33:25,413 --> 00:33:27,448
[Denise] I got a callfrom Daddy.
478
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,344
He said, "She's gone.
479
00:33:34,965 --> 00:33:36,172
She won't be coming back."
480
00:33:43,517 --> 00:33:44,965
I fell to the floor.
481
00:33:46,689 --> 00:33:50,103
My whole body was paralyzed
for three days after that.
482
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,034
I never knew
she went back there
483
00:33:59,068 --> 00:34:00,965
to even think
that could've happened.
484
00:34:03,448 --> 00:34:04,448
[inhales deeply]
485
00:34:04,896 --> 00:34:06,034
I'm done.
486
00:34:06,068 --> 00:34:08,758
That's as far as I want to go.
487
00:34:14,103 --> 00:34:15,758
[news reporter] A familyin Johnson County
488
00:34:15,793 --> 00:34:18,344
is wishing they would'veseen the signs
489
00:34:18,379 --> 00:34:22,241
after police say,their family member,Mandy Lemay,
490
00:34:22,275 --> 00:34:24,551
was shot and killedby her husband.
491
00:34:26,275 --> 00:34:30,862
Paul Lemay's statement
to Kentucky State Police
492
00:34:30,896 --> 00:34:33,517
during his recorded interview
493
00:34:33,551 --> 00:34:39,379
tells us that Paulwas obviouslyin a very troubled place.
494
00:34:58,310 --> 00:35:00,586
[Paul crying]
495
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:05,103
My guess is that Paul did it
so that nobody else could have her.
496
00:35:06,551 --> 00:35:07,965
And she can't leave him.
497
00:35:11,344 --> 00:35:12,310
[Paul speaking]
498
00:35:19,206 --> 00:35:21,965
[Tussey] Paul, clearly,identifies as the victim.
499
00:35:22,689 --> 00:35:24,517
Individuals who
500
00:35:24,551 --> 00:35:27,655
fail to take responsibility
for their actions
501
00:35:27,689 --> 00:35:29,068
are some of
the same individuals
502
00:35:29,103 --> 00:35:33,241
who are callous
and lack empathy and remorse.
503
00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,310
She would've been alive now
if she hadn't went back.
504
00:35:38,344 --> 00:35:41,310
But Mandy couldn't
make up her mind whether she loved him or not.
505
00:35:43,586 --> 00:35:44,586
[Paul speaking]
506
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000
[police officer speaking]
507
00:35:54,344 --> 00:35:56,620
[Runyon] We learnthrough the courseof the investigation,
508
00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:58,758
Mandy had left
the marital residence
509
00:35:58,793 --> 00:36:01,586
and hadn't returned
for quite some time.
510
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,586
But, eventually,Mandy Lemay returns home.
511
00:36:09,724 --> 00:36:10,724
[Paul speaking]
512
00:36:14,931 --> 00:36:17,241
[Runyon] She tells Paul that she's lost her telephone,
513
00:36:17,275 --> 00:36:21,068
she doesn't have oneand she needsa mean of communications.
514
00:36:21,103 --> 00:36:22,862
She wants to be able
to reach out to her family
515
00:36:22,896 --> 00:36:27,310
and set up this plan
to go spend Thanksgiving with her family,
516
00:36:27,344 --> 00:36:29,413
to have dinner with them.
517
00:36:30,862 --> 00:36:31,862
[Paul speaking]
518
00:36:39,413 --> 00:36:43,379
We know that Paul Lemay
is in the house at that time,
519
00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:46,482
and he's likely hearing these
conversations take place.
520
00:36:46,517 --> 00:36:48,965
He understands that
in a few more days,
521
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,551
when Thanksgiving
rolls around,
522
00:36:50,586 --> 00:36:54,137
Mandy is going to be
back out the door again spending time with her family.
523
00:36:54,172 --> 00:36:59,344
And, eventually, an argument
between the two ensues.
524
00:37:01,103 --> 00:37:04,275
[Tussey] At this point,Paul knows thathe's lost Mandy.
525
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:09,620
He's lost control
of the one person in his life, the source of his ego.
526
00:37:09,655 --> 00:37:14,793
And now he can seethat the dark impulsesare going to seep back in.
527
00:37:14,827 --> 00:37:18,241
It's almost like
a volcano erupting, this is the last straw.
528
00:37:21,275 --> 00:37:22,241
[Paul speaking]
529
00:37:31,827 --> 00:37:33,482
[Runyon] The evidence,in this case,
530
00:37:33,517 --> 00:37:37,206
shows that Paul Lemaywent to his bedroom.
531
00:37:38,172 --> 00:37:39,137
[police officer speaking]
532
00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:41,241
[Paul speaking]
533
00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:48,000
[Runyon] He took that revolverinto the living room.
534
00:37:51,482 --> 00:37:54,896
He put that gun to the back
of Mandy Lemay's head,
535
00:37:58,241 --> 00:37:59,448
and he pulled that trigger.
536
00:37:59,482 --> 00:38:00,551
[gunshot]
537
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,448
Well, from what I was told,
538
00:38:06,482 --> 00:38:12,172
he shot her
in the back bedroom and dragged her to their bed,
539
00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:15,862
and he slept next to her
those several weeks that she was laying there.
540
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:23,206
[Tussey] In the very end,after she died,
541
00:38:23,241 --> 00:38:26,482
Paul still didn'twant to let her go.
542
00:38:26,517 --> 00:38:32,517
This is indicative of
yet another final opportunity for him to control her.
543
00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:36,965
[Denise] I reckon Paul wastrying to preserve the body
544
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,724
because he literally sleptin a freezing house.
545
00:38:41,379 --> 00:38:42,379
Next to her.
546
00:38:52,206 --> 00:38:53,689
We all had the funeral.
547
00:38:58,344 --> 00:39:00,448
It was hard for me
to walk through the funeral doors.
548
00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:05,862
And walked in and when I seen
the casket, it was closed.
549
00:39:08,034 --> 00:39:09,758
I didn't get
to tell her goodbye.
550
00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:16,103
[Juanita] I could'vegot Mandy out.
551
00:39:18,586 --> 00:39:21,586
Mandy could've been safe,
Mandy could've been here with us now.
552
00:39:24,103 --> 00:39:28,000
[Denise] It would've been niceif Mandy could'vemet my children more.
553
00:39:29,551 --> 00:39:33,758
I could've explained
to them better how good a person she was,
554
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:37,275
how good of an aunt
she would've been,
555
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:40,137
how much
they would've been spoiled.
556
00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:43,206
It hurts me every day
that she can't be here with us today.
557
00:39:51,241 --> 00:39:54,448
Paul was evaluated
by two psychiatrists,
558
00:39:54,482 --> 00:39:58,344
both of whom cleared him
as competent to stand trial.
559
00:40:24,448 --> 00:40:25,413
[Paul speaking]
560
00:40:25,448 --> 00:40:27,172
[judge speaking]
561
00:40:27,206 --> 00:40:30,172
Paul Lemay didn't
actually go to trial.
562
00:40:31,586 --> 00:40:34,586
He pleaded guiltyto one count of murder
563
00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:36,517
and one count of abuseof a corpse.
564
00:40:48,103 --> 00:40:51,931
It's still very frustrating
that he didn't explain everything in court,
565
00:40:52,413 --> 00:40:53,793
why he did do it.
566
00:41:00,206 --> 00:41:04,827
And so he thought he didn't
have to give his explanation.
567
00:41:04,862 --> 00:41:06,413
He didn't have to tell why.
568
00:41:13,448 --> 00:41:16,241
That's what makes me
lose sleep at night
569
00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:18,241
because I'll never know why.
570
00:41:18,275 --> 00:41:20,241
I'll never know
why it happened.
571
00:41:20,758 --> 00:41:22,137
I'll never know.
572
00:41:22,172 --> 00:41:23,137
[sobs]
573
00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:31,000
[Tussey] There's likelyseveral reasons why Paulended up murdering Mandy.
574
00:41:35,689 --> 00:41:37,896
Paul wanted control
from the very beginning
575
00:41:37,931 --> 00:41:39,586
and he had it
until the very end.
576
00:41:50,551 --> 00:41:52,068
She was an amazing person.
577
00:41:55,172 --> 00:41:58,931
[Juanita] Mandy wouldwant to be rememberedas the funny, goofy,
578
00:41:58,965 --> 00:42:02,517
outgoing, people-friendly
person that she was.
579
00:42:04,586 --> 00:42:07,068
I like to think I'm going
to see her again. [chuckles]
580
00:42:09,448 --> 00:42:11,413
That's what keeps megoing every day.
581
00:42:14,344 --> 00:42:15,931
We'll see our
loved ones again.
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