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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,655 --> 00:00:07,344 Mandy was not allowed to have any boyfriend growing up. 2 00:00:07,379 --> 00:00:10,172 You had to make sure you lived byThe Bible. 3 00:00:10,965 --> 00:00:12,275 If you didn't, it was a sin. 4 00:00:17,206 --> 00:00:19,965 [Juanita] The reason Mandy married Paul so quick 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,103 was because they were trying to do things right. 6 00:00:24,724 --> 00:00:25,896 She seemed happy. 7 00:00:26,655 --> 00:00:28,000 And that made me happy. 8 00:00:32,862 --> 00:00:35,551 [Denise] At first, Paul seemed like a good man. 9 00:00:36,206 --> 00:00:38,000 But the trouble was, 10 00:00:38,034 --> 00:00:39,896 she knew nothing of him. 11 00:00:41,551 --> 00:00:43,379 [Runyon] The folks who are quiet, 12 00:00:45,137 --> 00:00:47,793 those are the folks that you may least expect, 13 00:00:47,827 --> 00:00:51,000 but who could prove to be the most dangerous. 14 00:00:53,793 --> 00:00:54,793 [police officer speaking] 15 00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:57,275 [Paul speaking] 16 00:01:02,724 --> 00:01:06,448 This case is one that involves an act of evil. 17 00:01:07,206 --> 00:01:08,172 [Paul speaking] 18 00:01:12,965 --> 00:01:14,275 [Denise] It was a tragedy. 19 00:01:15,896 --> 00:01:18,172 It broke our whole family. 20 00:01:23,103 --> 00:01:25,172 [Juanita] I would've liked to have ripped his head off 21 00:01:25,206 --> 00:01:26,413 and fed it to my pigs. 22 00:01:27,034 --> 00:01:28,000 [Paul speaking] 23 00:01:44,034 --> 00:01:46,000 Mandy was really outgoing. 24 00:01:46,034 --> 00:01:47,206 She was an amazing person. 25 00:01:49,068 --> 00:01:51,103 She taught me how to ride bikes, 26 00:01:51,137 --> 00:01:54,896 and we played dolls and went on trips to Tennessee. 27 00:01:58,275 --> 00:01:59,551 [Juanita] Mandy was very quirky, 28 00:01:59,586 --> 00:02:01,620 she was always being funny. 29 00:02:01,655 --> 00:02:04,655 Being more silly than funny. 30 00:02:04,689 --> 00:02:05,724 You know what I mean? 31 00:02:05,758 --> 00:02:07,241 [laughing] 32 00:02:07,275 --> 00:02:08,793 [screams] 33 00:02:08,827 --> 00:02:10,655 [Juanita] She always tried to make you laugh, 34 00:02:10,689 --> 00:02:12,724 that was how she came across. 35 00:02:12,758 --> 00:02:14,241 She had a real personality. 36 00:02:26,517 --> 00:02:29,758 My grandfather was the pastor of our local church. 37 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:34,068 We went to church, 38 00:02:34,103 --> 00:02:36,965 it was like Wednesday night, Biblestudy, 39 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,103 Saturday night, you know, choir practice, 40 00:02:40,137 --> 00:02:43,620 Sunday morning: morning service, night service, 41 00:02:43,655 --> 00:02:45,655 so that was a big part of our weeks. 42 00:02:51,793 --> 00:02:55,241 This is Mandy's baptizing photo. 43 00:02:56,517 --> 00:02:58,413 She was like 15 or 16 there. 44 00:03:04,172 --> 00:03:07,413 I did feel like we were sheltered a little much. 45 00:03:08,724 --> 00:03:10,034 Dating and boys, 46 00:03:10,068 --> 00:03:12,862 that was not something that they did in the church. 47 00:03:15,137 --> 00:03:17,724 [Denise] Mandy was not allowed to have any boyfriend growing up. 48 00:03:17,758 --> 00:03:19,517 Paw-paw was very strict on that. 49 00:03:21,551 --> 00:03:24,896 [Juanita] You didn't have those relations until you were married. 50 00:03:24,931 --> 00:03:27,965 That's something in all churches around here, 51 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,586 that's in this whole community. 52 00:03:32,931 --> 00:03:36,413 It was a very strict way of growing up. 53 00:03:39,275 --> 00:03:40,758 Couldn't do much of what you wanted. 54 00:03:40,793 --> 00:03:43,551 You had to make sure you lived by The Bible. 55 00:03:44,379 --> 00:03:45,655 If you didn't, it was a sin. 56 00:03:51,896 --> 00:03:54,551 [Runyon] Paul Lemay met Mandy online, 57 00:03:54,586 --> 00:03:56,000 they met on Facebook. 58 00:03:58,206 --> 00:04:00,793 Paul Lemay came down to eastern Kentucky 59 00:04:00,827 --> 00:04:02,620 by way of Massachusetts. 60 00:04:03,758 --> 00:04:07,655 I think Paul was very smitten by Mandy. 61 00:04:07,689 --> 00:04:10,931 I think he was very attracted to the idea 62 00:04:10,965 --> 00:04:14,620 that a woman so far away wanted him. 63 00:04:14,655 --> 00:04:19,310 That's what precipitated his relocation to eastern Kentucky. 64 00:04:22,586 --> 00:04:23,758 The trouble was, 65 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:26,034 she knew nothing of him. 66 00:04:28,931 --> 00:04:30,448 [Juanita] Paul was older. 67 00:04:30,482 --> 00:04:32,655 He was 47 or 48. 68 00:04:33,344 --> 00:04:34,655 He'd already lived life, 69 00:04:34,689 --> 00:04:39,034 so she, in her mind, she thought he was smarter about things. 70 00:04:41,862 --> 00:04:45,206 [Denise] Mandy liked that he was different, not from around here. 71 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:50,034 Paul would come every other weekend to Kentucky or to church. 72 00:04:51,655 --> 00:04:53,551 [Juanita] Paul was portrayed to me 73 00:04:53,586 --> 00:04:56,482 as a religious person and a good guy. 74 00:04:56,517 --> 00:04:59,758 He was this big Christian guy who was really nice. 75 00:05:02,241 --> 00:05:03,827 I was happy for her. 76 00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:09,379 She had said that they had things in common, 77 00:05:09,413 --> 00:05:13,344 that they could actually talk to each other for a long time. 78 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:18,137 She seemed happy. 79 00:05:18,172 --> 00:05:19,379 And that made me happy. 80 00:05:27,344 --> 00:05:31,517 They dated about seven months, at the most. 81 00:05:35,724 --> 00:05:37,000 And then, they got married. 82 00:05:39,965 --> 00:05:41,275 From what she had told me, 83 00:05:42,206 --> 00:05:44,482 the reason she married Paul so quick 84 00:05:44,517 --> 00:05:47,862 was because they were trying to do things right. 85 00:05:52,137 --> 00:05:54,137 It was just a little, small wedding, 86 00:05:54,172 --> 00:05:56,655 just a few people from their church that they went to. 87 00:05:58,241 --> 00:06:00,172 It was a 15-minute ceremony. 88 00:06:01,793 --> 00:06:03,103 It was nothing fancy. 89 00:06:08,724 --> 00:06:10,655 My grandparents thought it was a good thing, too, 90 00:06:10,689 --> 00:06:11,689 getting married to Paul. 91 00:06:12,482 --> 00:06:15,379 They liked that he had a job, 92 00:06:15,413 --> 00:06:18,448 could provide for her, and had two vehicles. 93 00:06:23,137 --> 00:06:25,551 [Juanita] Paul didn't have much family nearby. 94 00:06:26,724 --> 00:06:28,620 None of his family was there, I know that. 95 00:06:29,793 --> 00:06:31,931 Looking back, that was very weird to me. 96 00:06:33,068 --> 00:06:35,620 I've personally never met none of Paul's family. 97 00:06:38,379 --> 00:06:40,689 Paul Lemay has this mysterious past 98 00:06:40,724 --> 00:06:42,655 where we don't know a lot of his background, 99 00:06:42,689 --> 00:06:44,206 and that may be by design. 100 00:06:44,241 --> 00:06:47,379 It's possible that he doesn't want Mandy 101 00:06:47,413 --> 00:06:50,034 or her family or anybody to know a lot about him. 102 00:06:51,482 --> 00:06:54,103 It's interesting because we have someone who, 103 00:06:54,137 --> 00:06:58,586 on one hand, has estranged or distant relationships from family members, 104 00:06:58,620 --> 00:07:02,517 but, on the other hand, hasn't identified loved one that they've idolized. 105 00:07:04,517 --> 00:07:07,965 It sets itself up for problems in the future. 106 00:07:19,448 --> 00:07:23,620 Paul and Mandy lived in Oil Springs, Salyersville, Kentucky. 107 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:26,965 Just a little town, a back road. 108 00:07:30,172 --> 00:07:33,517 Paul, he worked at a nursing home, 109 00:07:34,310 --> 00:07:36,448 and he brought home the money. 110 00:07:38,827 --> 00:07:40,862 He paid for the home that they lived in. 111 00:07:43,206 --> 00:07:45,413 [Denise] She didn't have to work at all, Mandy didn't. 112 00:07:46,482 --> 00:07:49,931 He'd made sure she had everything she needed. 113 00:07:49,965 --> 00:07:51,310 Didn't matter what they are. 114 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:56,000 At first, Paul seemed like a good man. 115 00:07:57,103 --> 00:07:58,413 From what I seen anyway. 116 00:08:02,586 --> 00:08:03,793 [Juanita] But, sometimes, 117 00:08:03,827 --> 00:08:06,896 Paul would say a lot of negative things on Facebook. 118 00:08:06,931 --> 00:08:09,413 That may have been his way to get his point across, 119 00:08:10,034 --> 00:08:12,310 was through social media. 120 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:16,034 Say the things on there that he couldn't say in person. 121 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,931 It's a Facebook post from Paul. 122 00:08:27,689 --> 00:08:28,931 [reading] 123 00:08:28,965 --> 00:08:31,758 "All my life, I've been called no good, that I'm worthless 124 00:08:31,793 --> 00:08:34,551 then I will never amount to anything. 125 00:08:34,586 --> 00:08:37,689 I finally had enough and I came here to Kentucky 126 00:08:37,724 --> 00:08:40,655 where I've got myself a home that I paid for. 127 00:08:40,689 --> 00:08:42,413 I have a beautiful, loving wife 128 00:08:42,448 --> 00:08:45,724 and anyone says otherwise, they are a liar." 129 00:08:48,275 --> 00:08:50,586 He was very fragile, I could see that. 130 00:08:50,620 --> 00:08:53,551 He never opened up, wouldn't talk. 131 00:08:53,586 --> 00:08:55,620 Maybe there was a reason behind it. 132 00:08:55,655 --> 00:08:56,655 There was 133 00:08:58,034 --> 00:09:00,758 a madness in his old life that I didn't know about. 134 00:09:02,758 --> 00:09:05,862 [Tussey] Paul Lemay's Facebook posts say to me 135 00:09:05,896 --> 00:09:08,206 that this is someone who's vulnerable 136 00:09:08,241 --> 00:09:10,724 and identifies with this role of someone 137 00:09:10,758 --> 00:09:13,758 who's been victimized and has to take on the world. 138 00:09:20,413 --> 00:09:24,206 [Juanita] At the time, me and my husband had separated, 139 00:09:24,758 --> 00:09:26,310 my children were tiny. 140 00:09:27,344 --> 00:09:29,586 Mandy, she's like, 141 00:09:29,620 --> 00:09:31,206 "If you want to, you can come here, 142 00:09:31,241 --> 00:09:33,137 you can stay with me and Paul." 143 00:09:33,172 --> 00:09:36,379 She's like, "We can spend time together, get back to being sisters," 144 00:09:36,413 --> 00:09:41,034 and so, in my mind, it was an awesome idea, because I loved Mandy. 145 00:09:43,137 --> 00:09:44,724 [choking up] She was my best friend. 146 00:09:44,758 --> 00:09:45,758 [gasps softly] 147 00:09:49,793 --> 00:09:52,724 [Denise] Mandy, she loved her hair dye. 148 00:10:00,413 --> 00:10:03,034 She started dying her hair crazy colors. 149 00:10:03,068 --> 00:10:06,758 It was blue, purple. 150 00:10:06,793 --> 00:10:10,758 One time, she mixed it up, it was half blonde and half blue. 151 00:10:13,482 --> 00:10:14,965 [Juanita] One time, we were going to dye, 152 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,827 you know, dye both of our hair the same night. 153 00:10:17,862 --> 00:10:20,034 And we was going to go out get the hair dyed, 154 00:10:20,068 --> 00:10:22,586 and Paul wouldn't allow us to do it. 155 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:27,586 To Paul, it was an unnecessary thing, 156 00:10:27,620 --> 00:10:29,965 so she couldn't, she wasn't allowed to do it. 157 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:35,379 I don't know why he wouldn't allow her to do it. 158 00:10:36,827 --> 00:10:38,724 I'm trying to answer this for you 159 00:10:38,758 --> 00:10:44,103 but I can't find a rhyme to the reason of why he wouldn't let her. 160 00:10:45,241 --> 00:10:48,275 I suppose he treated her like a child. 161 00:10:50,034 --> 00:10:53,448 The fact that Paul Lemay's relationship with Mandy 162 00:10:53,482 --> 00:10:56,758 appears to be more like that of a father and daughter 163 00:10:56,793 --> 00:10:59,793 is indicative of his controlling nature. 164 00:10:59,827 --> 00:11:03,655 It's also interesting that in this day and age 165 00:11:03,689 --> 00:11:08,413 where social media and videos of one another are very common, 166 00:11:08,448 --> 00:11:13,000 that there's actually very little of that with Paul Lemay and Mandy. 167 00:11:13,034 --> 00:11:16,206 If he can control the little day-to-day tasks that she does, 168 00:11:16,241 --> 00:11:19,000 he can ultimately control her life. 169 00:11:24,413 --> 00:11:26,931 [Juanita] Paul would work and he would come home, 170 00:11:26,965 --> 00:11:28,862 and I would say, "Hi, Paul," 171 00:11:28,896 --> 00:11:31,689 and he would say, "Hello," and then, you know, that was it. 172 00:11:32,827 --> 00:11:35,103 He would always lock hisself in his bedroom. 173 00:11:37,310 --> 00:11:40,793 [Runyon] The folks who are quiet and brooding 174 00:11:40,827 --> 00:11:42,034 and, kind of, seething underneath, 175 00:11:42,068 --> 00:11:45,689 those are the folks that you may least expect, 176 00:11:45,724 --> 00:11:48,896 but who could prove to be the most dangerous. 177 00:11:50,413 --> 00:11:53,482 [Juanita] He would always lock hisself in his bedroom. 178 00:11:53,517 --> 00:11:55,482 I thought it was weird. 179 00:11:55,517 --> 00:11:58,000 He wouldn't associate with the rest of us. 180 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,758 Nobody really knew what was going on in there. 181 00:12:16,137 --> 00:12:18,586 [Juanita] Paul could be quiet, Paul could be shy. 182 00:12:20,689 --> 00:12:22,103 Behind closed doors, 183 00:12:23,310 --> 00:12:24,482 Paul could be a creep. 184 00:12:26,068 --> 00:12:28,310 He would lock hisself in there like a hermit crab. 185 00:12:29,172 --> 00:12:30,827 One time, she had opened the door 186 00:12:30,862 --> 00:12:32,827 and asked him what he wanted for supper, 187 00:12:32,862 --> 00:12:34,965 and he told her, "I don't care what we have for supper, 188 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,068 I don't care if we effing eat or not." 189 00:12:38,862 --> 00:12:41,241 In my mind, she was trying to take care of him 190 00:12:41,275 --> 00:12:44,448 and do what a wife should be doing for her husband. 191 00:12:44,482 --> 00:12:47,931 And he was straight up disrespectful to her. 192 00:12:54,689 --> 00:12:56,724 This is Mandy at a rough time. 193 00:12:56,758 --> 00:12:58,586 About 25, probably. 194 00:13:00,344 --> 00:13:03,655 This was the time she'd get into arguments with Paul. 195 00:13:06,896 --> 00:13:08,862 [Juanita] A lot of the times, they would argue, 196 00:13:08,896 --> 00:13:10,862 they would argue in the bedroom, 197 00:13:11,689 --> 00:13:12,827 in their room. 198 00:13:15,206 --> 00:13:16,724 And we tried to stay away from that, 199 00:13:16,758 --> 00:13:19,172 'cause I had kids and I didn't want them to hear that. 200 00:13:19,206 --> 00:13:22,413 So we always tried to stay out of the arguments. 201 00:13:24,724 --> 00:13:26,655 It was always behind the bedroom door. 202 00:13:26,689 --> 00:13:28,344 [door slamming] 203 00:13:28,379 --> 00:13:31,206 Mandy would go in her room and she would come back out, and she'd be like, 204 00:13:31,931 --> 00:13:34,206 "Oh, it's happened again. 205 00:13:35,862 --> 00:13:37,724 Paul, he's in one of his moods." 206 00:13:44,241 --> 00:13:46,310 I don't know why she chose to stay 207 00:13:46,344 --> 00:13:48,793 but I think a lot of it is that she was actually 208 00:13:48,827 --> 00:13:50,517 building a home and building a life. 209 00:13:50,551 --> 00:13:55,413 And it's just like, to her, it was nothing much, she'd grown used to it. 210 00:14:00,034 --> 00:14:01,896 [Tussey] There's indication that the arguments 211 00:14:01,931 --> 00:14:04,724 between Paul and Mandy are escalating. 212 00:14:04,758 --> 00:14:09,103 It begs the question of, you know, what's happening there. 213 00:14:09,137 --> 00:14:11,896 Is it that he feels he's losing control, 214 00:14:11,931 --> 00:14:16,482 and his own insecurity is knocking at the door? 215 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,862 When someone like Paul doesn't feel in control, 216 00:14:21,896 --> 00:14:24,206 he may lash out impulsively. 217 00:14:30,689 --> 00:14:34,724 [Juanita] One day we was going up to see Mom, 218 00:14:34,758 --> 00:14:41,551 and we had made it from Salyersville to Prestonsburg. 219 00:14:41,586 --> 00:14:46,413 And we had made it that far, before he had called her on his break, 220 00:14:46,448 --> 00:14:48,206 and there was a heated argument 221 00:14:48,241 --> 00:14:50,586 to the point that she pulled over, 222 00:14:50,620 --> 00:14:52,034 then we turned around and went back. 223 00:14:54,758 --> 00:14:56,655 Anytime Mandy had to do anything, 224 00:14:56,689 --> 00:15:00,103 she had to run it by Paul and make sure Paul was okay with it. 225 00:15:03,655 --> 00:15:06,655 He had came home from work and he said he wasn't feeling good, 226 00:15:06,689 --> 00:15:08,620 so he went in there and he laid down and went to sleep. 227 00:15:08,655 --> 00:15:11,517 And me and Mandy and the kids had went out to Walmart. 228 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,655 And he was so mad when we come back, 229 00:15:16,689 --> 00:15:19,689 because she had left without saying something to him 230 00:15:19,724 --> 00:15:22,482 that she went into the room and wasn't allowed back. 231 00:15:22,517 --> 00:15:24,655 She didn't come back out that night. 232 00:15:24,689 --> 00:15:29,103 Here's the situation where Paul is about 20 years older than Mandy, 233 00:15:29,137 --> 00:15:32,172 yet, he has, effectively, grounded her. 234 00:15:33,655 --> 00:15:37,689 When individuals are that controlling and domineering, 235 00:15:37,724 --> 00:15:43,206 it makes you wonder, "What else is happening behind closed doors?" 236 00:15:43,241 --> 00:15:45,172 [Juanita] Felt like she was trapped in a prison. 237 00:15:45,206 --> 00:15:49,172 Mandy would say things like, "I feel like I'm in jail sometimes," you know. 238 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,103 Paul was very controlling. 239 00:15:59,586 --> 00:16:02,896 The last two or three months that I stayed there, 240 00:16:02,931 --> 00:16:05,793 we didn't really go anywhere, or do anything. 241 00:16:09,068 --> 00:16:11,448 Pretty much the only thing he allowed Mandy to do 242 00:16:11,482 --> 00:16:14,000 was to do the grocery shopping. 243 00:16:14,034 --> 00:16:16,827 [Denise] Um, he wouldn't let her go anywhere 244 00:16:16,862 --> 00:16:20,103 and do anything or see anyone. 245 00:16:20,137 --> 00:16:22,551 When she stopped coming around, I knew something was up. 246 00:16:24,586 --> 00:16:27,862 Several times, I told Mandy that she didn't have to put up with that, 247 00:16:27,896 --> 00:16:28,862 she could leave. 248 00:16:28,896 --> 00:16:31,862 But she just, she never would listen. 249 00:16:31,896 --> 00:16:36,172 It's like she, it was her relationship, I needed to butt out of it, 250 00:16:36,206 --> 00:16:37,620 it wasn't any of my business. 251 00:16:40,103 --> 00:16:42,724 Me and the kids would stay in that room 252 00:16:42,758 --> 00:16:46,965 on the opposite side from where her and Paul would stay. 253 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,379 We'd just kept on back there unless we needed to come out and use the bathroom. 254 00:16:52,413 --> 00:16:55,965 It was like, we were walking on eggshells, so to speak. 255 00:16:57,275 --> 00:16:58,931 Tiptoeing around the house. 256 00:17:04,896 --> 00:17:06,931 I wish I would've stepped in and done something 257 00:17:06,965 --> 00:17:08,862 'cause I feel like I could've helped her out. 258 00:17:10,724 --> 00:17:14,344 And I wish that I'd just let her know that I cared more, you know. 259 00:17:21,137 --> 00:17:22,689 I wish I'd got her out of there. 260 00:17:29,862 --> 00:17:33,965 Paul is this quiet fella who keeps to himself. 261 00:17:35,689 --> 00:17:37,862 But as time goes on, 262 00:17:37,896 --> 00:17:42,448 his Facebook posts starts to get more aggressive. 263 00:17:44,172 --> 00:17:45,137 [Juanita reading] 264 00:17:57,758 --> 00:17:58,896 Now I'm, kind of, beating myself up 265 00:17:58,931 --> 00:18:00,275 for not putting him on my Facebook. 266 00:18:00,310 --> 00:18:01,482 I've never seen these. 267 00:18:09,689 --> 00:18:10,724 It just hurts me. 268 00:18:10,758 --> 00:18:14,482 I mean, I didn't, I've not seen those. 269 00:18:14,517 --> 00:18:16,655 [gasps softly] 270 00:18:18,344 --> 00:18:19,344 [sobs] 271 00:18:24,137 --> 00:18:29,517 From a religious perspective, Paul maybe referring to the enemy as Satan. 272 00:18:29,551 --> 00:18:32,827 It's also possible that the enemy is his rage, 273 00:18:33,275 --> 00:18:34,689 his insecurity. 274 00:18:35,896 --> 00:18:38,241 This is an example of an individual 275 00:18:38,275 --> 00:18:42,586 who seems to be fighting to control their behavior. 276 00:18:44,586 --> 00:18:49,379 This Facebook post is Paul is really trying to bury those demons 277 00:18:49,413 --> 00:18:52,241 and keep himself from crossing that line 278 00:18:53,517 --> 00:18:56,586 from verbal aggression to physical aggression. 279 00:18:59,206 --> 00:19:02,000 Had I seen this at the time, I'd have been angry. 280 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,310 I'd try to help her. 281 00:19:06,413 --> 00:19:09,068 [Runyon] It begs the question, 282 00:19:09,103 --> 00:19:14,965 what kind of threats could Paul may have been making behind closed doors? 283 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,034 Regardless of which way we go, we're heading into the abyss. 284 00:19:19,068 --> 00:19:20,482 Things are about to get worse. 285 00:19:31,758 --> 00:19:35,862 [Juanita] One day, one of the kids had climbed up on the table, 286 00:19:35,896 --> 00:19:38,206 and had knocked over a couple plates and cups 287 00:19:38,241 --> 00:19:41,000 that were sitting on the table from when they were eating, 288 00:19:41,034 --> 00:19:44,172 Paul, he didn't really explode or anything, 289 00:19:45,931 --> 00:19:48,827 he went into the room, he had hollered for Mandy to come in there, 290 00:19:48,862 --> 00:19:52,034 and I don't know what was happening to Mandy. 291 00:19:52,068 --> 00:19:53,482 Like I said, she was in that room, 292 00:19:53,517 --> 00:19:55,103 they were locked in there, I don't know. 293 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,689 They were in there for over an hour, and when they came out, 294 00:20:01,724 --> 00:20:04,482 they had got a change or two of clothes for each one of them, 295 00:20:05,379 --> 00:20:07,344 and she told me that they'd be back. 296 00:20:09,586 --> 00:20:11,827 That's when Paul and Mandy had left there. 297 00:20:20,827 --> 00:20:22,517 I could tell something was wrong. 298 00:20:25,344 --> 00:20:27,862 It's not often my sister calls me crying. 299 00:20:30,034 --> 00:20:33,724 She told me she was scared for him to be around the kids. 300 00:20:33,758 --> 00:20:36,689 If I didn't get the kids out of there before they got back, 301 00:20:36,724 --> 00:20:38,379 that something was going to happen. 302 00:20:39,379 --> 00:20:41,034 He might hurt them or something. 303 00:20:42,620 --> 00:20:44,103 There's increasing evidence 304 00:20:44,137 --> 00:20:46,448 that Paul Lemay is becoming unraveled. 305 00:20:47,137 --> 00:20:48,724 That's particularly worrisome, 306 00:20:48,758 --> 00:20:52,034 because individuals who threaten or hurt children 307 00:20:52,068 --> 00:20:56,724 tend to lack remorse and empathy for others. 308 00:20:56,758 --> 00:21:00,034 [Juanita] It did, kind of, scare me at that point. 309 00:21:00,068 --> 00:21:04,413 So the best thing for me to do for my kids was to leave. 310 00:21:07,758 --> 00:21:09,758 [thunder rumbling] 311 00:21:13,758 --> 00:21:16,275 [Juanita] When I left there, with the kids, 312 00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:19,793 things with Paul and Mandy got a lot worse. 313 00:21:21,655 --> 00:21:27,034 The trouble was Paul would act normal sometimes. 314 00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:30,068 Sometimes, he didn't seem like a bad guy at all. 315 00:21:31,689 --> 00:21:34,103 He was nice, he was polite. 316 00:21:35,137 --> 00:21:36,724 To me, it was strange. 317 00:21:39,620 --> 00:21:43,206 [Tussey] We're seeing this Jekyll and Hyde personality. 318 00:21:43,241 --> 00:21:46,275 We have someone who's, on one hand, saying, 319 00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:48,620 "Mandy, I love you, my beautiful wife." 320 00:21:48,655 --> 00:21:52,103 And on the other hand, someone who is controlling her, 321 00:21:52,137 --> 00:21:54,206 potentially, threatening children, 322 00:21:54,241 --> 00:21:56,551 not giving her money to go to the store. 323 00:21:56,586 --> 00:22:00,931 So we see these two diametrically opposed personality behaviors. 324 00:22:00,965 --> 00:22:04,413 And that's actually quite common in individuals 325 00:22:04,448 --> 00:22:06,586 who perpetrate interpersonal violence. 326 00:22:07,655 --> 00:22:11,000 There was a couple of months after I moved out, 327 00:22:11,034 --> 00:22:14,103 she was telling me that he was getting a lot more aggressive. 328 00:22:16,689 --> 00:22:19,793 She was telling me that Paul was starting to be more physical with her. 329 00:22:21,482 --> 00:22:23,310 Started out with him shoving her. 330 00:22:25,206 --> 00:22:28,655 And then, it got to where, he would get in her face 331 00:22:28,689 --> 00:22:31,172 and he would get more violent with her. 332 00:22:31,206 --> 00:22:34,241 She said that she was scared that if she didn't get out of there, 333 00:22:34,275 --> 00:22:35,965 that she wouldn't get out of there. 334 00:22:43,689 --> 00:22:45,000 She called me 335 00:22:46,379 --> 00:22:49,758 and told me she did leave Paul. 336 00:22:52,896 --> 00:22:55,344 She said she was at a friend's house, 337 00:22:55,379 --> 00:22:57,137 that she was scared of him, 338 00:22:57,172 --> 00:23:00,000 and that she didn't want to go back home. 339 00:23:00,034 --> 00:23:02,689 She told me they were good people, she was safe. 340 00:23:04,172 --> 00:23:05,896 I didn't really question it. 341 00:23:05,931 --> 00:23:07,965 She was out of the bad situation 342 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,344 so, in my mind, she was good. 343 00:23:12,379 --> 00:23:15,172 And she told me she was going to come over for Thanksgiving. 344 00:23:19,344 --> 00:23:21,413 Thanksgiving was really important to our family, 345 00:23:21,448 --> 00:23:24,034 'cause it's the only time we actually sit down around the table 346 00:23:24,068 --> 00:23:27,482 and gather around and pray over the food. 347 00:23:33,344 --> 00:23:34,758 [Juanita] I was excited. 348 00:23:34,793 --> 00:23:37,000 I'm not going to lie, been months since I'd got to see my sister, 349 00:23:37,034 --> 00:23:38,413 so I was excited. 350 00:23:43,758 --> 00:23:45,862 [line ringing] 351 00:23:45,896 --> 00:23:48,758 The family are ready to eat Thanksgiving dinner. 352 00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:55,827 Dinner comes and goes but there's no Mandy. 353 00:23:58,965 --> 00:24:00,620 [Juanita] Nobody could get a hold of her. 354 00:24:02,448 --> 00:24:04,448 Nobody knew exactly where she was. 355 00:24:04,482 --> 00:24:06,206 I was the last one to know where she was 356 00:24:06,241 --> 00:24:08,379 and she was supposed to be at that friend's house. 357 00:24:10,931 --> 00:24:14,896 As the minutes turned to hours, the hours turned to days, 358 00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:16,896 I could imagine a whole host of thoughts, 359 00:24:16,931 --> 00:24:19,827 you know, running through their head about where Mandy might be. 360 00:24:22,275 --> 00:24:23,758 "Maybe she's in the hospital," 361 00:24:23,793 --> 00:24:27,068 uh, "Maybe she's just out having a good time." 362 00:24:27,103 --> 00:24:30,448 You know, "Maybe Mandy has gone to see somebody else for Thanksgiving, 363 00:24:30,482 --> 00:24:32,482 and maybe she'll turn back up." 364 00:24:38,758 --> 00:24:40,482 Couldn't believe what happened next. 365 00:24:58,137 --> 00:25:03,068 [Juanita] Mandy had told me she was at a friend's house and she was safe. 366 00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:06,068 But then, we was having no luck getting a hold of her. 367 00:25:07,068 --> 00:25:09,931 I tried contacting her phone, 368 00:25:09,965 --> 00:25:14,000 her Facebook, her Messenger, and she just would not answer. 369 00:25:15,586 --> 00:25:19,241 I didn't even know where to start to go to look. 370 00:25:21,206 --> 00:25:25,241 I'd went out and I had printed off some photos to give the State Police. 371 00:25:26,724 --> 00:25:29,620 The uncertainty of it all 372 00:25:29,655 --> 00:25:33,551 was a very terrifying moment for that family, 373 00:25:33,586 --> 00:25:34,827 just not knowing. 374 00:25:43,344 --> 00:25:48,137 Despite the family's concern over Mandy being gone for over two to three weeks, 375 00:25:48,172 --> 00:25:52,379 on December 17th, there's a post on her Facebook account. 376 00:25:54,862 --> 00:25:57,275 [reading] "I needed to get away from the drama 377 00:25:57,310 --> 00:25:59,034 and dry myself out. 378 00:25:59,068 --> 00:26:00,758 I will contact the ones 379 00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:03,448 and my family after the first of the year." 380 00:26:05,379 --> 00:26:08,620 I knew reading that that day that that wasn't Mandy. 381 00:26:10,241 --> 00:26:11,793 "I love you, please understand, 382 00:26:11,827 --> 00:26:14,172 I'm going through hard times right now 383 00:26:14,206 --> 00:26:18,034 but I will contact you after the first. Love you. Later." 384 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:22,620 That's words of an alcoholic. 385 00:26:23,827 --> 00:26:26,137 Mandy wasn't an alcoholic 386 00:26:26,172 --> 00:26:29,482 and didn't have to dry herself out. 387 00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:36,827 Everything in this is spelled exactly as it should be 388 00:26:36,862 --> 00:26:38,931 down to every last apostrophe and everything, 389 00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:42,103 and Mandy always spelled things very weird. 390 00:26:45,517 --> 00:26:49,793 Her spelling was never correct and everything in this was right. 391 00:26:49,827 --> 00:26:52,344 And so, reading this when it came out, 392 00:26:52,379 --> 00:26:54,724 everybody knew something was wrong. 393 00:26:54,758 --> 00:26:56,724 Everybody knew that wasn't Mandy. 394 00:27:08,275 --> 00:27:11,413 [Denise] Homer then contacted Paul 395 00:27:12,551 --> 00:27:15,551 asking where Mandy was, 396 00:27:16,275 --> 00:27:18,448 what was going on. 397 00:27:18,482 --> 00:27:22,724 Homer asked him if he was the one that posted that letter. 398 00:27:23,758 --> 00:27:25,206 Paul wouldn't speak back. 399 00:27:28,068 --> 00:27:31,448 Then he said he was trying to find his sister, after a while. 400 00:27:31,482 --> 00:27:35,103 Paul says, "I ain't heard from her in weeks either." 401 00:27:36,586 --> 00:27:40,103 That's when they got mad and called the cops. 402 00:27:41,758 --> 00:27:42,758 [line ringing] 403 00:27:55,655 --> 00:27:56,620 [dispatcher Thompson speaking] 404 00:27:57,413 --> 00:27:58,413 [Homer speaking] 405 00:28:05,758 --> 00:28:06,758 [dispatcher Thompson speaking] 406 00:28:07,482 --> 00:28:08,482 [Homer speaking] 407 00:28:11,551 --> 00:28:12,517 [dispatcher Thompson speaking] 408 00:28:15,275 --> 00:28:16,241 [dispatcher Thompson speaking] 409 00:28:17,793 --> 00:28:18,793 [Homer speaking] 410 00:28:25,655 --> 00:28:26,655 [dispatcher Thompson speaking] 411 00:28:28,448 --> 00:28:29,448 [Homer speaking] 412 00:28:30,206 --> 00:28:33,413 Homer was really annoyed at Paul. 413 00:28:33,448 --> 00:28:36,413 He just wanted to know where Mandy was. 414 00:28:36,448 --> 00:28:39,655 But she ain't spoke to nobody in over three weeks. 415 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,655 [Tussey] We know from the evidence so far 416 00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:46,620 that Mandy has been controlled by Paul. 417 00:28:46,655 --> 00:28:49,310 And the family's probably thinking, 418 00:28:49,344 --> 00:28:52,517 "Maybe it's just their relationship." 419 00:28:52,551 --> 00:28:56,103 It's very possible that Paul has Mandy trapped inside the house. 420 00:29:04,103 --> 00:29:06,206 [Runyon] When the trooper arrives 421 00:29:06,241 --> 00:29:08,862 to Mandy and Paul's residence. 422 00:29:08,896 --> 00:29:10,413 He goes up onto the porch, 423 00:29:13,413 --> 00:29:16,068 the blinds are drawn, he can't see inside the residence. 424 00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:22,137 He hears a series of what he describes as thumps. 425 00:29:22,482 --> 00:29:24,482 [thumping] 426 00:29:28,413 --> 00:29:32,758 It sounded like someone was moving around in the home, 427 00:29:32,793 --> 00:29:35,034 but nobody ever came to the door. 428 00:29:35,586 --> 00:29:36,931 [inaudible] 429 00:29:36,965 --> 00:29:39,586 [Runyon] So that trooper immediately radios for backup. 430 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,689 Paul, is, in fact inside the residence, 431 00:29:45,724 --> 00:29:48,517 and is not coming out of the residence. 432 00:29:48,551 --> 00:29:51,827 The Kentucky State Police show up very quickly, 433 00:29:51,862 --> 00:29:55,448 it has escalated into a, "Barricaded subject, 434 00:29:55,482 --> 00:29:58,689 who's refusing to come out and respond to law enforcement commands," 435 00:29:58,724 --> 00:30:03,551 and who's known to own a .22 caliber handgun. 436 00:30:05,689 --> 00:30:10,034 They were concerned that Mandy was being held inside the residence. 437 00:30:18,413 --> 00:30:20,482 As the Kentucky State Police 438 00:30:20,517 --> 00:30:27,724 are trying to get Paul Lemay to cooperate with their commands, 439 00:30:27,758 --> 00:30:33,827 they're looking for folks, neighbors, who might have any means to contact Paul. 440 00:30:35,793 --> 00:30:40,689 One of the neighbors happens to have Paul Lemay on Facebook Messenger. 441 00:30:41,896 --> 00:30:43,896 [cellphone vibrating] 442 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,310 [Runyon] And Paul responds. 443 00:30:49,034 --> 00:30:52,827 Paul's still refusing to come out of the residence. 444 00:30:55,275 --> 00:30:57,379 But as the time goes on, 445 00:30:57,413 --> 00:30:58,862 Paul wants a cigarette. 446 00:31:00,448 --> 00:31:03,206 The Kentucky State Police tell Paul, 447 00:31:03,241 --> 00:31:04,896 "You got to come to us." 448 00:31:07,275 --> 00:31:09,827 Paul is very reluctant to do this. 449 00:31:10,965 --> 00:31:13,000 So the neighbor, Pat, 450 00:31:13,034 --> 00:31:17,379 volunteers to take the cigarette to Paul who's standing on the porch. 451 00:31:19,172 --> 00:31:21,827 At this time, when Paul comes out of the residence, 452 00:31:21,862 --> 00:31:27,827 Paul Lemay is dressed in nothing but sweatpants and no shirt. 453 00:31:27,862 --> 00:31:30,965 December 17 in Kentucky, it's very cold, 454 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,413 so the next door neighbor, Pat, 455 00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:35,724 also offers his sweatshirt. 456 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,931 As soon as Paul Lemay gets that sweatshirt, 457 00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:48,551 he is rushed by two troopers who were lying in wait. 458 00:31:50,517 --> 00:31:51,965 And that's how the Kentucky State Police, 459 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,241 eventually, got Paul into custody. 460 00:31:58,344 --> 00:32:02,275 The State Police begin a sweep of the Lemay residence 461 00:32:02,827 --> 00:32:04,827 to look for Mandy. 462 00:32:05,965 --> 00:32:08,793 At that point, they had no idea 463 00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:09,965 whether she was dead 464 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000 or alive. 465 00:32:19,517 --> 00:32:23,103 When the troopers walked into the Lemay residence 466 00:32:24,517 --> 00:32:27,620 they were met by the smell of death. 467 00:32:29,586 --> 00:32:34,379 They could smell decomposition in the air. 468 00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:41,241 When they get into this back bedroom, 469 00:32:42,758 --> 00:32:45,931 they can make out a pile of blankets. 470 00:32:48,448 --> 00:32:52,034 And sticking out from the bottom of that blanket 471 00:32:52,068 --> 00:32:55,103 is what is obviously a human foot. 472 00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:02,448 They pull the sheets back, 473 00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:08,000 and there they find the deceased body of Mandy Lemay. 474 00:33:13,206 --> 00:33:17,206 She had a single gunshot wound to the back of her head. 475 00:33:18,137 --> 00:33:20,655 What's clear, at this point, 476 00:33:20,689 --> 00:33:22,896 she had been there for quite some time. 477 00:33:25,413 --> 00:33:27,448 [Denise] I got a call from Daddy. 478 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,344 He said, "She's gone. 479 00:33:34,965 --> 00:33:36,172 She won't be coming back." 480 00:33:43,517 --> 00:33:44,965 I fell to the floor. 481 00:33:46,689 --> 00:33:50,103 My whole body was paralyzed for three days after that. 482 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,034 I never knew she went back there 483 00:33:59,068 --> 00:34:00,965 to even think that could've happened. 484 00:34:03,448 --> 00:34:04,448 [inhales deeply] 485 00:34:04,896 --> 00:34:06,034 I'm done. 486 00:34:06,068 --> 00:34:08,758 That's as far as I want to go. 487 00:34:14,103 --> 00:34:15,758 [news reporter] A family in Johnson County 488 00:34:15,793 --> 00:34:18,344 is wishing they would've seen the signs 489 00:34:18,379 --> 00:34:22,241 after police say, their family member, Mandy Lemay, 490 00:34:22,275 --> 00:34:24,551 was shot and killed by her husband. 491 00:34:26,275 --> 00:34:30,862 Paul Lemay's statement to Kentucky State Police 492 00:34:30,896 --> 00:34:33,517 during his recorded interview 493 00:34:33,551 --> 00:34:39,379 tells us that Paul was obviously in a very troubled place. 494 00:34:58,310 --> 00:35:00,586 [Paul crying] 495 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:05,103 My guess is that Paul did it so that nobody else could have her. 496 00:35:06,551 --> 00:35:07,965 And she can't leave him. 497 00:35:11,344 --> 00:35:12,310 [Paul speaking] 498 00:35:19,206 --> 00:35:21,965 [Tussey] Paul, clearly, identifies as the victim. 499 00:35:22,689 --> 00:35:24,517 Individuals who 500 00:35:24,551 --> 00:35:27,655 fail to take responsibility for their actions 501 00:35:27,689 --> 00:35:29,068 are some of the same individuals 502 00:35:29,103 --> 00:35:33,241 who are callous and lack empathy and remorse. 503 00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,310 She would've been alive now if she hadn't went back. 504 00:35:38,344 --> 00:35:41,310 But Mandy couldn't make up her mind whether she loved him or not. 505 00:35:43,586 --> 00:35:44,586 [Paul speaking] 506 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 [police officer speaking] 507 00:35:54,344 --> 00:35:56,620 [Runyon] We learn through the course of the investigation, 508 00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:58,758 Mandy had left the marital residence 509 00:35:58,793 --> 00:36:01,586 and hadn't returned for quite some time. 510 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,586 But, eventually, Mandy Lemay returns home. 511 00:36:09,724 --> 00:36:10,724 [Paul speaking] 512 00:36:14,931 --> 00:36:17,241 [Runyon] She tells Paul that she's lost her telephone, 513 00:36:17,275 --> 00:36:21,068 she doesn't have one and she needs a mean of communications. 514 00:36:21,103 --> 00:36:22,862 She wants to be able to reach out to her family 515 00:36:22,896 --> 00:36:27,310 and set up this plan to go spend Thanksgiving with her family, 516 00:36:27,344 --> 00:36:29,413 to have dinner with them. 517 00:36:30,862 --> 00:36:31,862 [Paul speaking] 518 00:36:39,413 --> 00:36:43,379 We know that Paul Lemay is in the house at that time, 519 00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:46,482 and he's likely hearing these conversations take place. 520 00:36:46,517 --> 00:36:48,965 He understands that in a few more days, 521 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,551 when Thanksgiving rolls around, 522 00:36:50,586 --> 00:36:54,137 Mandy is going to be back out the door again spending time with her family. 523 00:36:54,172 --> 00:36:59,344 And, eventually, an argument between the two ensues. 524 00:37:01,103 --> 00:37:04,275 [Tussey] At this point, Paul knows that he's lost Mandy. 525 00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:09,620 He's lost control of the one person in his life, the source of his ego. 526 00:37:09,655 --> 00:37:14,793 And now he can see that the dark impulses are going to seep back in. 527 00:37:14,827 --> 00:37:18,241 It's almost like a volcano erupting, this is the last straw. 528 00:37:21,275 --> 00:37:22,241 [Paul speaking] 529 00:37:31,827 --> 00:37:33,482 [Runyon] The evidence, in this case, 530 00:37:33,517 --> 00:37:37,206 shows that Paul Lemay went to his bedroom. 531 00:37:38,172 --> 00:37:39,137 [police officer speaking] 532 00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:41,241 [Paul speaking] 533 00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:48,000 [Runyon] He took that revolver into the living room. 534 00:37:51,482 --> 00:37:54,896 He put that gun to the back of Mandy Lemay's head, 535 00:37:58,241 --> 00:37:59,448 and he pulled that trigger. 536 00:37:59,482 --> 00:38:00,551 [gunshot] 537 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,448 Well, from what I was told, 538 00:38:06,482 --> 00:38:12,172 he shot her in the back bedroom and dragged her to their bed, 539 00:38:12,206 --> 00:38:15,862 and he slept next to her those several weeks that she was laying there. 540 00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:23,206 [Tussey] In the very end, after she died, 541 00:38:23,241 --> 00:38:26,482 Paul still didn't want to let her go. 542 00:38:26,517 --> 00:38:32,517 This is indicative of yet another final opportunity for him to control her. 543 00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:36,965 [Denise] I reckon Paul was trying to preserve the body 544 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,724 because he literally slept in a freezing house. 545 00:38:41,379 --> 00:38:42,379 Next to her. 546 00:38:52,206 --> 00:38:53,689 We all had the funeral. 547 00:38:58,344 --> 00:39:00,448 It was hard for me to walk through the funeral doors. 548 00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:05,862 And walked in and when I seen the casket, it was closed. 549 00:39:08,034 --> 00:39:09,758 I didn't get to tell her goodbye. 550 00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:16,103 [Juanita] I could've got Mandy out. 551 00:39:18,586 --> 00:39:21,586 Mandy could've been safe, Mandy could've been here with us now. 552 00:39:24,103 --> 00:39:28,000 [Denise] It would've been nice if Mandy could've met my children more. 553 00:39:29,551 --> 00:39:33,758 I could've explained to them better how good a person she was, 554 00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:37,275 how good of an aunt she would've been, 555 00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:40,137 how much they would've been spoiled. 556 00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:43,206 It hurts me every day that she can't be here with us today. 557 00:39:51,241 --> 00:39:54,448 Paul was evaluated by two psychiatrists, 558 00:39:54,482 --> 00:39:58,344 both of whom cleared him as competent to stand trial. 559 00:40:24,448 --> 00:40:25,413 [Paul speaking] 560 00:40:25,448 --> 00:40:27,172 [judge speaking] 561 00:40:27,206 --> 00:40:30,172 Paul Lemay didn't actually go to trial. 562 00:40:31,586 --> 00:40:34,586 He pleaded guilty to one count of murder 563 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:36,517 and one count of abuse of a corpse. 564 00:40:48,103 --> 00:40:51,931 It's still very frustrating that he didn't explain everything in court, 565 00:40:52,413 --> 00:40:53,793 why he did do it. 566 00:41:00,206 --> 00:41:04,827 And so he thought he didn't have to give his explanation. 567 00:41:04,862 --> 00:41:06,413 He didn't have to tell why. 568 00:41:13,448 --> 00:41:16,241 That's what makes me lose sleep at night 569 00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:18,241 because I'll never know why. 570 00:41:18,275 --> 00:41:20,241 I'll never know why it happened. 571 00:41:20,758 --> 00:41:22,137 I'll never know. 572 00:41:22,172 --> 00:41:23,137 [sobs] 573 00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:31,000 [Tussey] There's likely several reasons why Paul ended up murdering Mandy. 574 00:41:35,689 --> 00:41:37,896 Paul wanted control from the very beginning 575 00:41:37,931 --> 00:41:39,586 and he had it until the very end. 576 00:41:50,551 --> 00:41:52,068 She was an amazing person. 577 00:41:55,172 --> 00:41:58,931 [Juanita] Mandy would want to be remembered as the funny, goofy, 578 00:41:58,965 --> 00:42:02,517 outgoing, people-friendly person that she was. 579 00:42:04,586 --> 00:42:07,068 I like to think I'm going to see her again. [chuckles] 580 00:42:09,448 --> 00:42:11,413 That's what keeps me going every day. 581 00:42:14,344 --> 00:42:15,931 We'll see our loved ones again. 47805

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