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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:05,367 [Susan Malman Altman] Robert promised Stacy 2 00:00:05,367 --> 00:00:08,634 that she would have everything she wanted. 3 00:00:10,867 --> 00:00:13,900 [Jan Goldenberg] He's a good looking guy, well-educated. 4 00:00:14,734 --> 00:00:16,333 They made each other laugh. 5 00:00:17,734 --> 00:00:21,166 She was happy, so I was happy. 6 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:30,000 This one night, the doorbell rang. 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,533 This one night, the doorbell rang. 8 00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:35,634 There's a woman there that she doesn't know. 9 00:00:35,634 --> 00:00:39,600 She said that she was looking for Stacy's husband. 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,000 [Susan McBride] My involvement with everything that happened... 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,433 I didn't know it could have such a devastating impact on so many people's lives. 12 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:53,166 It was the beginning of hell. 13 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:03,266 [phone ringing] 14 00:01:03,266 --> 00:01:05,266 [dispatcher speaking] 15 00:01:05,266 --> 00:01:07,800 [Robert Feldman speaking] 16 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:40,100 [Altman] My sister Stacy had the best personality of anybody I know. 17 00:01:42,734 --> 00:01:45,900 She was the life of the party. 18 00:01:47,467 --> 00:01:49,734 She just really wanted to have fun. 19 00:01:51,166 --> 00:01:54,066 Funny is an understatement. 20 00:01:54,066 --> 00:01:57,100 She was there to make people smile 21 00:01:57,100 --> 00:01:59,734 and feel happy around her. 22 00:01:59,734 --> 00:02:00,000 She would do anything to make you laugh. 23 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,166 She would do anything to make you laugh. 24 00:02:03,166 --> 00:02:05,166 [Altman] It looks like she has a doily on her head. 25 00:02:05,166 --> 00:02:07,867 This is the kind of stuff she did all the time. 26 00:02:07,867 --> 00:02:09,533 You see that smile? 27 00:02:09,533 --> 00:02:11,900 It's in every picture. It's contagious. 28 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:18,266 I felt like a sister to her. 29 00:02:18,266 --> 00:02:20,734 And because of her incredible family, 30 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,634 they allowed me to feel like a sister. 31 00:02:26,266 --> 00:02:29,700 Stacy's life dream was to have children 32 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:30,000 and to be a mom. 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:30,800 and to be a mom. 34 00:02:33,734 --> 00:02:36,266 It was almost a given that that was her life path. 35 00:02:36,266 --> 00:02:37,266 I mean, she... 36 00:02:37,266 --> 00:02:40,634 She was incredible with children. 37 00:02:44,634 --> 00:02:46,367 [Altman] Right after college, 38 00:02:46,367 --> 00:02:49,266 she was working in marketing. 39 00:02:49,266 --> 00:02:53,066 Every job she had was for a fundraising organization. 40 00:02:54,734 --> 00:02:58,166 Anything to help the greater good and help people. 41 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:03,367 [Altman] She did meet a guy 42 00:03:03,367 --> 00:03:06,734 that she ended up falling in love with 43 00:03:06,734 --> 00:03:08,533 and getting engaged to. 44 00:03:13,367 --> 00:03:16,166 Um, he was a wonderful man, and, um... 45 00:03:16,166 --> 00:03:18,634 As the wedding date got closer, 46 00:03:18,634 --> 00:03:22,734 it was clear that, um, something wasn't right, 47 00:03:22,734 --> 00:03:27,800 and that wedding got, um, cancelled. 48 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:36,066 Stacy was devastated. 49 00:03:36,066 --> 00:03:39,900 She thought that this was the love of her life. 50 00:03:42,066 --> 00:03:46,433 Her biological clock started ticking very, very early. 51 00:03:49,367 --> 00:03:52,266 This was not part of her plan. 52 00:03:52,266 --> 00:03:57,367 Her plan included, um, being married before she was 30, 53 00:03:57,367 --> 00:03:59,600 having kids before she was 30, 54 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,000 and it threw her for a loop. 55 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,233 and it threw her for a loop. 56 00:04:09,266 --> 00:04:10,900 She needed a change of scenery... 57 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:15,867 ...and wouldn't it be fun to move to Boston 58 00:04:15,867 --> 00:04:18,266 and take care of her niece? 59 00:04:18,266 --> 00:04:20,000 And she became our nanny... 60 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:24,433 ...and it was magical. 61 00:04:42,266 --> 00:04:44,266 When I first met him, 62 00:04:44,266 --> 00:04:45,867 it was at our house. 63 00:04:45,867 --> 00:04:47,900 He was coming to pick her up for a date. 64 00:04:51,867 --> 00:04:53,634 He was very charming, 65 00:04:54,166 --> 00:04:56,233 very likable, 66 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 and seemed to be enamored of her. 67 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,233 and seemed to be enamored of her. 68 00:05:01,367 --> 00:05:02,634 [Goldenberg] On paper, 69 00:05:03,266 --> 00:05:04,467 he looked great. 70 00:05:04,467 --> 00:05:07,634 He's a good looking guy, well-educated. 71 00:05:08,367 --> 00:05:10,000 They made each other laugh. 72 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,100 She had high hopes for a change. 73 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:14,734 I think she really loved the idea. 74 00:05:14,734 --> 00:05:17,533 She met him at the right time in her life, so... 75 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:24,166 [Altman] They went to Boston on their first date 76 00:05:24,166 --> 00:05:28,533 and drove around looking for a parking meter. 77 00:05:31,166 --> 00:05:33,500 And he had this little trick 78 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:35,867 that will jimmy the parking meter 79 00:05:35,867 --> 00:05:37,634 so that you don't have to put money in it. 80 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,000 And Stacy thought, "Wow, isn't that kind of cool?" 81 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,066 And I thought, "I don't think that's cool at all. 82 00:05:48,066 --> 00:05:49,533 I think that's stealing." 83 00:05:51,867 --> 00:05:55,000 I didn't like that, and that was their very first date. 84 00:06:02,867 --> 00:06:07,367 He came from a Jewish family, a close family. 85 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:11,734 His parents divorced when he was a child, 86 00:06:12,467 --> 00:06:15,367 and he had promised her 87 00:06:15,367 --> 00:06:18,734 that divorce would never be in their future 88 00:06:18,734 --> 00:06:21,800 because of the trauma that it did to him. 89 00:06:25,166 --> 00:06:27,367 Stacy's heart was broken 90 00:06:27,367 --> 00:06:30,000 when her first engagement was broken, 91 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,734 when her first engagement was broken, 92 00:06:32,266 --> 00:06:34,533 and she was guarded... 93 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:38,967 ...and he was gonna be her forever. 94 00:06:38,967 --> 00:06:43,900 He promised her that she would have everything she wanted... 95 00:06:47,367 --> 00:06:49,166 ...that she would be a stay-at-home mom, 96 00:06:49,166 --> 00:06:51,100 that he was gonna provide for the family, 97 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:53,634 that she wasn't going to have to work. 98 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,166 I never knew how that was gonna happen, 99 00:06:57,166 --> 00:07:00,000 because he never really had a job. 100 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:00,233 because he never really had a job. 101 00:07:08,867 --> 00:07:10,734 He was a bit of a scammer. 102 00:07:10,734 --> 00:07:15,233 He always had ways of scamming the system. 103 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,734 One of the things he did while he was in Boston, 104 00:07:19,734 --> 00:07:20,900 I'll never forget this. 105 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:27,066 He went to an electronics store 106 00:07:27,066 --> 00:07:30,000 and took the electronic out of the box, 107 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,233 and took the electronic out of the box, 108 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,500 filled the box with heavy bricks 109 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:37,533 and returned the box, 110 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,333 got his money back. 111 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,467 He did seem like a freeloader. 112 00:07:44,467 --> 00:07:47,000 I wasn't sure about his motivation 113 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,967 to find something to support a family, 114 00:07:49,967 --> 00:07:51,634 so I was a little bit concerned. 115 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:54,900 [Altman] Looking back on it... 116 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:58,266 ...the red flags were there. 117 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:08,867 One night, I had invited Stacy and him to come out for dinner with us, 118 00:08:08,867 --> 00:08:12,166 and Stacy really wanted to come out with us, 119 00:08:12,166 --> 00:08:13,367 and he refused. 120 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:17,233 He wanted to stay home and cook. 121 00:08:18,367 --> 00:08:21,000 I knew that what that meant for Stacy 122 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,266 is that he would use every dish in the kitchen 123 00:08:25,266 --> 00:08:27,100 and then leave all the dishes for her, 124 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:30,000 because he never wanted to do dishes. 125 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,367 because he never wanted to do dishes. 126 00:08:33,166 --> 00:08:36,100 Whatever he wanted, he got. 127 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:39,433 Whatever he said, we all followed his rules. 128 00:08:43,367 --> 00:08:46,166 It wasn't about what Stacy wanted that night. 129 00:08:46,166 --> 00:08:48,900 It was really only about what he wanted. 130 00:08:57,967 --> 00:09:00,000 They decided they would move to Denver, Colorado. 131 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,533 They decided they would move to Denver, Colorado. 132 00:09:05,734 --> 00:09:09,166 [Altman] If he was to be her Prince Charming 133 00:09:09,166 --> 00:09:12,266 and give her what she wanted in a marriage, 134 00:09:12,266 --> 00:09:13,900 being a stay-at-home mom, 135 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:16,634 Robert needed to have a job. 136 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,800 We have lots of family in Denver. 137 00:09:21,867 --> 00:09:24,000 So, Stacy thought, 138 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,734 "Well, maybe he'll just come to Denver with me. 139 00:09:26,734 --> 00:09:29,266 My relatives will help him get a job, 140 00:09:29,266 --> 00:09:30,000 and at least, you know, he'll work. 141 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,500 and at least, you know, he'll work. 142 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:31,734 He'll have income." 143 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:34,367 Stacy was so excited. 144 00:09:34,367 --> 00:09:37,900 She was really ready to move on to the next stage. 145 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:42,367 [Goldenberg] I think my gut told me, 146 00:09:42,367 --> 00:09:45,967 "He's not deserving yet to make this move with her 147 00:09:45,967 --> 00:09:49,166 and to be so immersed in her incredible family." 148 00:09:49,166 --> 00:09:52,600 And I was worried that if he did go with her, 149 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,433 she was never coming back. 150 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,000 [Altman] About a week before they were set to move, 151 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,166 [Altman] About a week before they were set to move, 152 00:10:02,166 --> 00:10:05,066 she and I went out for dinner together, 153 00:10:05,066 --> 00:10:09,367 and this is probably the one and only time 154 00:10:09,367 --> 00:10:13,100 I ever put myself out there like this with her. 155 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:17,734 I said, "Are you sure you want him to come with you? 156 00:10:17,734 --> 00:10:19,734 You are moving to a new place. 157 00:10:19,734 --> 00:10:22,000 You have so many opportunities. 158 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,533 Are you sure this is what you want?" 159 00:10:25,634 --> 00:10:28,700 And she said to me, and I will never forget it, 160 00:10:28,700 --> 00:10:30,000 she said, 161 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,700 she said, 162 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:34,734 "Susan, he told me that he had a tough childhood 163 00:10:34,734 --> 00:10:37,533 and he had to take care of himself, 164 00:10:37,533 --> 00:10:40,467 and so, he's number one in his book. 165 00:10:40,467 --> 00:10:42,533 He's always gonna be number one," 166 00:10:42,533 --> 00:10:44,734 and I said, "Stacy, is that the kind of person 167 00:10:44,734 --> 00:10:46,467 that you wanna marry?" 168 00:10:46,467 --> 00:10:51,166 And she said the typical, classic, textbook response. 169 00:10:56,166 --> 00:10:58,900 "He will change for me." 170 00:11:06,367 --> 00:11:09,266 This is one of my greatest regrets. 171 00:11:09,266 --> 00:11:13,600 I think this is one of all of our greatest regrets, 172 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:19,600 is that we didn't know what was, what was happening. 173 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,367 We didn't put it all together. 174 00:11:21,367 --> 00:11:23,467 [phone ringing] 175 00:11:23,967 --> 00:11:25,433 [dispatcher speaking] 176 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:29,734 [Feldman speaking] 177 00:11:46,967 --> 00:11:49,367 [Altman] They were moving in together. 178 00:11:49,367 --> 00:11:51,900 They were setting up the kitchen. 179 00:11:54,066 --> 00:11:58,433 They had a huge fight about where to place a garbage can. 180 00:12:05,867 --> 00:12:08,166 He made it clear how he wanted things 181 00:12:08,166 --> 00:12:09,433 and how they were gonna be. 182 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Stacy had a mind of her own. She spoke back. 183 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,800 But he wanted things a certain way. 184 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,867 When he wanted something, he wanted them... 185 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:19,900 ...his way. 186 00:12:21,367 --> 00:12:23,967 Stacy actually ended up leaving him 187 00:12:23,967 --> 00:12:26,000 and moving into my parents' house. 188 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:30,690 Robert apologized and promised, 189 00:12:30,690 --> 00:12:31,367 Robert apologized and promised, 190 00:12:31,367 --> 00:12:33,000 "It won't happen again." 191 00:12:35,066 --> 00:12:37,233 [Goldenberg] I was hopeful that this was it. 192 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,900 But it was maybe a few days, 193 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:41,900 and then they got back together. 194 00:12:44,867 --> 00:12:49,000 [Altman] Stacy was just too invested at that point 195 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,634 and was looking for her happily ever after. 196 00:13:06,533 --> 00:13:09,734 When she told me that she was engaged... 197 00:13:11,533 --> 00:13:13,734 ...my heart dropped. 198 00:13:15,166 --> 00:13:19,634 While she was thrilled about her dreams coming true 199 00:13:19,634 --> 00:13:21,734 of getting married and having babies, 200 00:13:22,367 --> 00:13:24,700 my stomach sunk. 201 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:25,900 My heart sunk. 202 00:13:28,867 --> 00:13:30,690 I wasn't happy for her. 203 00:13:30,690 --> 00:13:31,100 I wasn't happy for her. 204 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:35,700 I pretended. I put on a show. Um... 205 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:39,433 I never shared my true feelings with her 206 00:13:40,166 --> 00:13:42,333 about her future. 207 00:13:44,166 --> 00:13:46,900 That's something that I regret, to this day. 208 00:13:56,734 --> 00:13:58,266 [Goldenberg] So it was a lovely wedding, 209 00:13:58,266 --> 00:14:00,690 and it coincided with the Oscar awards 210 00:14:00,690 --> 00:14:02,000 and it coincided with the Oscar awards 211 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,867 that were broadcast around, it was around the same time. 212 00:14:08,367 --> 00:14:10,800 He had a really great speech... 213 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:18,967 ...and he used the terms from the Oscar awards. 214 00:14:18,967 --> 00:14:22,333 For example, producer... 215 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,967 The director was his whatever. 216 00:14:25,967 --> 00:14:28,266 He would thank people and acknowledge them, 217 00:14:28,266 --> 00:14:30,166 the people in his life and his family, 218 00:14:30,166 --> 00:14:30,690 by giving them titles. 219 00:14:30,690 --> 00:14:31,734 by giving them titles. 220 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,266 And so, we all assumed his leading lady... 221 00:14:37,266 --> 00:14:38,500 It was, it was there. 222 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:41,333 It was there for the taking, [chuckles] leading lady. 223 00:14:50,166 --> 00:14:52,100 It didn't, it never happened. 224 00:14:55,266 --> 00:14:57,000 He never mentioned Stacy. 225 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,367 It was devastating. It was embarrassing. 226 00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:00,690 She was mortified. 227 00:15:00,690 --> 00:15:01,800 She was mortified. 228 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:04,367 Directly affected her, 229 00:15:04,367 --> 00:15:07,533 and that was, uh, yeah, it was sad. 230 00:15:07,533 --> 00:15:09,533 It's a hard way to start. [chuckles] 231 00:15:23,166 --> 00:15:24,367 [Altman] Yep. 232 00:15:24,367 --> 00:15:25,467 See her crown? 233 00:15:25,467 --> 00:15:27,000 She wanted to be a princess. 234 00:15:28,867 --> 00:15:30,533 That's her wedding day. 235 00:15:33,367 --> 00:15:36,467 Do you notice her smile is not quite the same smile 236 00:15:36,467 --> 00:15:38,433 that we saw in earlier photos? 237 00:15:39,266 --> 00:15:40,634 I wonder about that. 238 00:15:45,266 --> 00:15:46,367 [Goldenberg] Uh, they got married in March, 239 00:15:46,367 --> 00:15:49,367 so the following June, they had their daughter. 240 00:15:49,367 --> 00:15:52,367 Beautiful girl, and, um, 241 00:15:52,367 --> 00:15:55,000 within two years of that, they had their son. 242 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,690 Becoming a mom was her greatest joy, 243 00:16:00,690 --> 00:16:01,266 Becoming a mom was her greatest joy, 244 00:16:01,266 --> 00:16:05,467 and she was the best mother ever. 245 00:16:06,467 --> 00:16:08,800 Stacy stopped working 246 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,600 and started living a life 247 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,734 that she always dreamt of. 248 00:16:30,634 --> 00:16:30,690 [Goldenberg] His job was commission-based, 249 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:32,367 [Goldenberg] His job was commission-based, 250 00:16:32,367 --> 00:16:35,533 so you really had to be motivated and work hard. 251 00:16:35,967 --> 00:16:37,066 Um, he didn't. 252 00:16:38,734 --> 00:16:40,533 If he was home, I remember him sitting. 253 00:16:40,533 --> 00:16:41,867 That's the truth. 254 00:16:41,867 --> 00:16:44,500 I have visions of him just sitting on the couch in a bathrobe. 255 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:45,634 He was never working. 256 00:16:47,634 --> 00:16:50,600 [Altman] Stacy eventually went back to work. 257 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,166 She got a great job, again, in the nonprofit industry, 258 00:16:54,166 --> 00:16:57,500 and she was doing exceptionally well. 259 00:16:57,500 --> 00:17:00,690 [Altman] She did it because she needed to provide for her family. 260 00:17:00,690 --> 00:17:01,100 [Altman] She did it because she needed to provide for her family. 261 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:04,634 Her dream of being a stay-at-home mom was crushed. 262 00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:10,867 [Goldenberg] We knew he was... 263 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:15,066 ...a lowlife and wasn't gonna provide, you know? 264 00:17:15,066 --> 00:17:17,867 But then, there was this whole other chapter that started. 265 00:17:24,867 --> 00:17:27,867 A girlfriend and I went down to Denver 266 00:17:27,867 --> 00:17:29,867 to celebrate my birthday, 267 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:30,690 and the day we got there, 268 00:17:30,690 --> 00:17:32,734 and the day we got there, 269 00:17:32,734 --> 00:17:35,467 we needed to use her computer, 270 00:17:35,467 --> 00:17:39,166 so we went to their family computer. 271 00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:42,233 We sort of just moved the mouse, 272 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,266 and, uh, 273 00:17:44,266 --> 00:17:48,900 we were immediately faced with the open page of a dating app. 274 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:53,867 Jan called me right away 275 00:17:53,867 --> 00:17:59,066 and said she saw a dating website 276 00:17:59,066 --> 00:18:00,690 and that Stacy's husband had a profile. 277 00:18:00,690 --> 00:18:02,533 and that Stacy's husband had a profile. 278 00:18:02,533 --> 00:18:04,266 [Goldenberg] Well, at first, we were confused, 279 00:18:04,266 --> 00:18:07,266 and then we saw that there was correspondence, 280 00:18:07,266 --> 00:18:10,266 and, whereas we were told 281 00:18:10,266 --> 00:18:11,800 that he had a meeting that night 282 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,533 and he wasn't coming home for dinner, 283 00:18:14,533 --> 00:18:16,367 um, he, in fact, had a date, 284 00:18:16,367 --> 00:18:17,867 uh, that evening. 285 00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:20,367 I was... 286 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:22,367 ...shocked. 287 00:18:23,367 --> 00:18:25,166 I was scared. I... 288 00:18:25,166 --> 00:18:29,700 I didn't understand how it was open on their family computer 289 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:30,690 and I didn't know what to do. 290 00:18:30,690 --> 00:18:31,266 and I didn't know what to do. 291 00:18:31,266 --> 00:18:32,700 I was, I was really upset. 292 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:33,900 I was, uh... 293 00:18:34,867 --> 00:18:36,233 ...very upset. 294 00:18:38,734 --> 00:18:40,367 At that moment, we did nothing. 295 00:18:40,734 --> 00:18:42,066 We didn't tell her. 296 00:18:43,266 --> 00:18:45,333 Neither of us knew what to do. 297 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,734 We did nothing. 298 00:18:48,266 --> 00:18:50,166 If we had to do it over again... 299 00:18:51,467 --> 00:18:53,066 ...I would've done it differently. 300 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,100 What if she turned on us? 301 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:59,000 What if she alienated us? 302 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:11,467 [Altman] I talked to Stacy every evening 303 00:19:11,467 --> 00:19:13,734 after she put the kids to bed, 304 00:19:13,734 --> 00:19:15,734 and there was this one night 305 00:19:15,734 --> 00:19:18,500 that we were doing our daily call, 306 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:20,266 um, and the doorbell rang. 307 00:19:20,266 --> 00:19:21,634 [doorbell rings] 308 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:26,800 She wasn't expecting anyone. 309 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,634 So, she goes to the door. 310 00:19:29,467 --> 00:19:30,690 There's a woman there that she doesn't know. 311 00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:32,500 There's a woman there that she doesn't know. 312 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:35,634 She said that she was looking for Stacy's husband. 313 00:19:39,367 --> 00:19:44,734 It turns out that it was somebody that he had met on a website, 314 00:19:44,734 --> 00:19:47,467 and she came to the door looking for him. 315 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,734 It came out that he was with her, um, sexually. 316 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,500 Stacy was shocked and surprised and disgusted. 317 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,533 That's when chaos started. 318 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:15,266 [Altman] Stacy confided in me 319 00:20:15,266 --> 00:20:18,533 that she had found out about her husband's affair. 320 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,533 He claimed he needed to get this sex 321 00:20:24,533 --> 00:20:26,066 wherever he could find it. 322 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:32,166 As miserable and sad as she was, 323 00:20:32,166 --> 00:20:35,100 she was more forgiving than maybe she should have been. 324 00:20:37,266 --> 00:20:39,066 I talked to her about it, 325 00:20:39,066 --> 00:20:40,867 and she point-blank said, 326 00:20:40,867 --> 00:20:43,734 "I don't want to be a single mom." 327 00:20:43,734 --> 00:20:48,634 I don't think our society is supportive of single moms. 328 00:20:48,634 --> 00:20:50,867 I think she felt shame 329 00:20:50,867 --> 00:20:54,867 in the situation that she was in. 330 00:20:54,867 --> 00:20:58,333 She didn't have any friends that were divorced. 331 00:21:00,967 --> 00:21:04,433 She insisted that they seek therapy. 332 00:21:08,367 --> 00:21:11,634 And he would start at her insistence, 333 00:21:11,634 --> 00:21:13,634 and he wouldn't finish, 334 00:21:13,634 --> 00:21:15,600 or he wouldn't continue to go. 335 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,467 There would always be an excuse. 336 00:21:17,467 --> 00:21:20,367 He didn't like the person. 337 00:21:20,367 --> 00:21:22,367 He didn't need the help. 338 00:21:25,967 --> 00:21:27,600 [Goldenberg] He was making excuses for himself. 339 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,266 But it was mean. It was hurtful. 340 00:21:30,266 --> 00:21:34,266 He told her that he needed her to lose weight 341 00:21:34,266 --> 00:21:36,997 so that he could be attracted to her again. 342 00:21:36,997 --> 00:21:37,266 so that he could be attracted to her again. 343 00:21:37,266 --> 00:21:40,100 How he spoke to her, it was shocking. 344 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:41,967 He was rude. He was mean. 345 00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:43,266 I couldn't believe it. 346 00:21:43,734 --> 00:21:45,166 They tried every avenue. 347 00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:47,266 Nothing worked. Nothing helped. 348 00:21:47,266 --> 00:21:48,900 And it didn't stop. 349 00:21:50,634 --> 00:21:53,066 [Altman] We talked about her leaving him. 350 00:21:53,066 --> 00:21:56,333 I talked to her about what she wanted to do about that, 351 00:21:56,867 --> 00:21:58,867 and we had made a plan 352 00:21:58,867 --> 00:22:01,000 that, that she was gonna leave. 353 00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:06,333 But he said to her, 354 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,634 "I will never divorce you. 355 00:22:09,634 --> 00:22:11,533 I will never let you divorce me, 356 00:22:11,533 --> 00:22:14,600 because I am a product of a broken marriage, 357 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,634 and I will not do that to my children." 358 00:22:19,367 --> 00:22:21,734 She was crying and crying and crying. 359 00:22:21,734 --> 00:22:23,000 [sniffles] 360 00:22:24,867 --> 00:22:26,634 And I was listening to her. 361 00:22:26,634 --> 00:22:27,634 I wasn't saying a lot. 362 00:22:27,634 --> 00:22:29,367 I was just listening to her, 363 00:22:29,367 --> 00:22:32,266 and I had this thought, 364 00:22:32,266 --> 00:22:34,634 and I said to myself... 365 00:22:36,066 --> 00:22:36,997 ..."If she ends up dead, 366 00:22:36,997 --> 00:22:38,367 ..."If she ends up dead, 367 00:22:38,367 --> 00:22:41,000 it's because he's gonna kill her." 368 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,634 [McBride] I had been, uh, divorced for many years. 369 00:22:59,634 --> 00:23:03,266 I had used several online dating sites. 370 00:23:03,266 --> 00:23:06,967 Um, didn't have a whole lot of success with anything, 371 00:23:06,967 --> 00:23:06,997 and I thought I would try something new 372 00:23:06,997 --> 00:23:10,066 and I thought I would try something new 373 00:23:10,066 --> 00:23:12,433 and try the Tinder app. 374 00:23:18,867 --> 00:23:22,266 His profile picture, he had a big smile on his face, 375 00:23:22,266 --> 00:23:24,634 um, he was laughing, 376 00:23:24,634 --> 00:23:28,233 and he just looked like a very happy person. 377 00:23:30,166 --> 00:23:32,600 So that's what drew me to his photograph, 378 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,367 and so, I swiped right on Bob. 379 00:23:42,734 --> 00:23:44,433 We met for coffee. 380 00:23:45,166 --> 00:23:47,967 We talked about everything. 381 00:23:47,967 --> 00:23:50,533 He had told me he was just separated. 382 00:23:50,533 --> 00:23:52,367 He had been separated for two years, 383 00:23:52,367 --> 00:23:54,367 and they were both seeing other people. 384 00:23:57,266 --> 00:24:00,266 I also opened up about my life. 385 00:24:00,266 --> 00:24:02,734 I told him about my divorce situation. 386 00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:05,634 We talked about our careers, about our kids, 387 00:24:05,634 --> 00:24:06,997 what we were looking for in terms of relationship, 388 00:24:06,997 --> 00:24:08,867 what we were looking for in terms of relationship, 389 00:24:08,867 --> 00:24:12,066 and we talked about what we liked to do for fun. 390 00:24:12,066 --> 00:24:14,967 Both of us loved to go antiquing 391 00:24:14,967 --> 00:24:17,800 and just hang out in the city or go to the mountains. 392 00:24:18,533 --> 00:24:20,634 Bob and I really seemed to click. 393 00:24:23,734 --> 00:24:27,500 On Thursday, we were planning to get together at a wine bar, 394 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,734 uh, after work. 395 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:33,367 It was blizzarding that night. 396 00:24:33,367 --> 00:24:36,367 It was a really snowy night. 397 00:24:36,367 --> 00:24:36,997 And he said, "Why don't I just come to you?" 398 00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:39,266 And he said, "Why don't I just come to you?" 399 00:24:45,967 --> 00:24:48,967 That evening, you know, I asked a lot of questions 400 00:24:48,967 --> 00:24:54,266 about his situation with his wife. 401 00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:56,266 Uh, he had explained to me 402 00:24:56,266 --> 00:24:59,867 that the reason that he separated from her 403 00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:02,634 was because she was an absentee mother. 404 00:25:02,634 --> 00:25:06,166 Uh, Bob had said, "I'm always taking the kids skiing 405 00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:06,997 and to the mountains and camping, 406 00:25:06,997 --> 00:25:07,867 and to the mountains and camping, 407 00:25:07,867 --> 00:25:10,266 and she's really not involved, 408 00:25:10,266 --> 00:25:12,367 and I didn't sign up for that." 409 00:25:14,867 --> 00:25:16,867 I thought, 410 00:25:16,867 --> 00:25:19,533 "Bob must be a really dedicated father." 411 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,734 We ended up sleeping together that night. 412 00:25:31,266 --> 00:25:33,233 I was feeling good about him. 413 00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:36,967 But 15 minutes later, 414 00:25:36,967 --> 00:25:36,997 he sat up in bed and said, "I gotta go." 415 00:25:36,997 --> 00:25:39,734 he sat up in bed and said, "I gotta go." 416 00:25:43,467 --> 00:25:44,634 I thought, at that point, 417 00:25:44,634 --> 00:25:47,233 "He's lying to me. He's married or something." 418 00:25:52,967 --> 00:25:56,333 From then, I started googling "Bob Wolfe," 419 00:25:57,166 --> 00:25:58,800 and nothing came up. 420 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,166 So at that point, 421 00:26:02,166 --> 00:26:04,533 I decided to do a reverse look-up 422 00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:05,900 on the phone number he gave me. 423 00:26:07,467 --> 00:26:10,367 I found a LinkedIn profile, 424 00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:13,333 and it had a big picture of him. 425 00:26:16,266 --> 00:26:18,734 It said, "Robert W. Feldman." 426 00:26:24,066 --> 00:26:27,000 I started googling his wife, at that point... 427 00:26:28,967 --> 00:26:34,467 ...and what I found was that she was the president 428 00:26:34,467 --> 00:26:36,997 of the PTO of the kids' grade school. 429 00:26:36,997 --> 00:26:37,467 of the PTO of the kids' grade school. 430 00:26:37,467 --> 00:26:40,634 So not only was she not an absentee mother, 431 00:26:40,634 --> 00:26:43,600 but she was a really dedicated mother 432 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,433 who volunteered her time. 433 00:26:47,266 --> 00:26:48,967 I was really angry. 434 00:26:48,967 --> 00:26:53,467 Bob had disparaged her and lied to me. 435 00:26:56,266 --> 00:26:58,333 I felt she had the right to know. 436 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,997 I wrote her an email, 437 00:27:06,997 --> 00:27:07,066 I wrote her an email, 438 00:27:07,066 --> 00:27:10,734 and I said, "Stacy, you don't know me, 439 00:27:10,734 --> 00:27:14,467 but I'm trying to find out if you and Bob are separated. 440 00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:18,266 If you're not, he's cheating on you. 441 00:27:18,266 --> 00:27:19,967 We slept together once, 442 00:27:19,967 --> 00:27:22,000 and he blew me off after that." 443 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:28,100 She wrote back at 8:30 and said, 444 00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:30,467 uh, "No, we are not separated. 445 00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:33,634 I'm done with him now. I've had it." 446 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:36,997 I said, "Are you gonna be okay?" 447 00:27:36,997 --> 00:27:38,734 I said, "Are you gonna be okay?" 448 00:27:38,734 --> 00:27:42,066 and she said, "I have a really supportive family and lots of friends. 449 00:27:42,066 --> 00:27:43,233 I'll be fine. 450 00:27:45,066 --> 00:27:48,800 But I really do appreciate you reaching out." 451 00:27:51,734 --> 00:27:54,000 It was a good conversation. It was, you know... 452 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,533 I was feeling like I had done the right thing. 453 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:03,734 I didn't know it could have such a devastating impact 454 00:28:03,734 --> 00:28:05,467 on so many people's lives. 455 00:28:13,367 --> 00:28:15,233 [phone ringing] 456 00:28:37,634 --> 00:28:39,533 [phone ringing] 457 00:29:45,734 --> 00:29:49,533 I was getting ready to go out, and the phone rang, 458 00:29:49,533 --> 00:29:51,734 and one of my kids answered the phone, 459 00:29:51,734 --> 00:29:54,900 and said, "Grandpa's on the phone." 460 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:58,367 So I get on the phone, and my dad says... 461 00:30:00,867 --> 00:30:02,166 ..."Stacy's dead," 462 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,921 and I said, "What?" 463 00:30:04,921 --> 00:30:04,967 and I said, "What?" 464 00:30:04,967 --> 00:30:07,233 and he said, "Stacy's dead." 465 00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:12,867 I screamed. 466 00:30:13,467 --> 00:30:15,100 Um, I broke into tears. 467 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,333 I sort of felt like... 468 00:30:19,166 --> 00:30:22,367 ...I was up in the clouds looking in, 469 00:30:22,367 --> 00:30:24,867 and that this really wasn't happening. 470 00:30:27,533 --> 00:30:30,734 I remember my 11-year-old daughter holding me 471 00:30:30,734 --> 00:30:31,634 while I was screaming. 472 00:30:31,634 --> 00:30:34,000 I don't, I don't remember much. 473 00:30:42,266 --> 00:30:44,867 [Altman] Stacy's husband told the detective 474 00:30:44,867 --> 00:30:47,533 that she wasn't feeling well 475 00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:50,266 and she didn't get out of bed that morning, 476 00:30:50,266 --> 00:30:53,734 and, um, he took the children to school, 477 00:30:53,734 --> 00:30:57,100 and when he came home later in the afternoon 478 00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:58,800 is when he found her dead. 479 00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:04,066 They asked him if he wanted an autopsy done, 480 00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:04,921 and he, um, said that, 481 00:31:04,921 --> 00:31:07,467 and he, um, said that, 482 00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:12,734 "We are Jewish, and Jewish people, um, don't do autopsies," 483 00:31:12,734 --> 00:31:16,100 and he did not want to have one done. 484 00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,467 But it is just customary 485 00:31:18,467 --> 00:31:21,467 that when, um, a young person dies 486 00:31:21,467 --> 00:31:24,166 without a history of illness 487 00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:26,700 that an autopsy has to be done. 488 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,066 It's mandatory. 489 00:31:52,367 --> 00:31:55,166 [McBride] I had had another bad internet date, 490 00:31:55,166 --> 00:31:58,367 didn't go well, and I got home 491 00:31:58,367 --> 00:32:01,266 and I was just lying in bed on my phone, 492 00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:03,800 and I thought, "I wonder if they got divorced." 493 00:32:08,166 --> 00:32:10,166 So I googled, and... 494 00:32:11,166 --> 00:32:12,800 ...her obituary came up, 495 00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:15,867 pretty much immediately. 496 00:32:21,533 --> 00:32:23,233 [sighs] Ugh... 497 00:32:23,867 --> 00:32:25,533 My stomach just turned. 498 00:32:25,533 --> 00:32:27,100 My stomach just turned. 499 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:30,467 Um, I looked at the date of her death, 500 00:32:30,467 --> 00:32:34,100 and I realized that that was around the time I spoke to her. 501 00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:34,921 And so, I went and looked at my email to her, 502 00:32:34,921 --> 00:32:37,867 And so, I went and looked at my email to her, 503 00:32:37,867 --> 00:32:40,166 and I realized it was the same day. 504 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:47,166 I couldn't believe it. 505 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,100 I looked up the number for Denver Homicide, 506 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,066 and they were very interested in what I had to say. 507 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:04,921 I told them the whole story. 508 00:33:04,921 --> 00:33:06,367 I told them the whole story. 509 00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:10,533 He told me in the interview 510 00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:13,967 that the medical examiner had ruled her death undetermined. 511 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,900 They were continuing to follow leads. 512 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,100 I'm a researcher, 513 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,100 and when the detective told me 514 00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:32,467 that the cause of death was undetermined, 515 00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:34,921 um, I wanted to see it for myself. 516 00:33:34,921 --> 00:33:35,433 um, I wanted to see it for myself. 517 00:33:43,467 --> 00:33:45,634 I left the detective's office 518 00:33:45,634 --> 00:33:47,734 and I went to the medical examiner's office, 519 00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:49,800 and I got a copy of the autopsy. 520 00:33:53,967 --> 00:33:56,100 I read the details... 521 00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:01,000 ...and it said she had bruising about her head and upper body. 522 00:34:06,867 --> 00:34:10,266 She was found with her tongue clinched between her teeth. 523 00:34:12,166 --> 00:34:14,634 I knew from reading it that something... 524 00:34:14,634 --> 00:34:17,166 Something very wrong had happened. 525 00:34:31,367 --> 00:34:35,166 [Dr. Bill Smock] I'd wanted to closely examine the evidence, 526 00:34:35,166 --> 00:34:38,867 looking for clues that may have been not appreciated 527 00:34:38,867 --> 00:34:43,066 or missed as part of the initial investigation. 528 00:34:43,066 --> 00:34:46,533 Robert Feldman told the police that he came home 529 00:34:46,533 --> 00:34:49,634 and found his wife naked in the shower. 530 00:34:51,967 --> 00:34:53,061 Didn't know whether she had drowned, fallen, 531 00:34:53,061 --> 00:34:54,467 Didn't know whether she had drowned, fallen, 532 00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:55,634 had a heart attack... 533 00:34:55,634 --> 00:34:57,166 He didn't know. 534 00:34:58,734 --> 00:35:02,166 The detectives and the first responders 535 00:35:02,166 --> 00:35:04,100 felt there was something unusual 536 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,467 about his demeanor. 537 00:35:10,533 --> 00:35:12,367 [Dr. Smock] I listened to the 9-1-1 call. 538 00:35:13,166 --> 00:35:16,467 He sounded over-hysterical, 539 00:35:16,467 --> 00:35:18,166 very dramatic. 540 00:35:18,166 --> 00:35:20,100 [Feldman speaking] 541 00:35:24,266 --> 00:35:27,266 Being found dead in the bathtub 542 00:35:27,266 --> 00:35:30,533 is highly suspicious of a staged scene. 543 00:35:33,367 --> 00:35:37,166 When I looked at the location of Stacy's injuries, 544 00:35:37,166 --> 00:35:39,367 it was not what you would expect to see 545 00:35:39,367 --> 00:35:41,800 from a fall in a bathtub. 546 00:35:42,266 --> 00:35:44,166 Too many. Way too many. 547 00:35:44,166 --> 00:35:46,367 There were, we call them "pattern imprints, 548 00:35:46,367 --> 00:35:48,000 pattern abrasions," 549 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,367 which tells me that when those injuries were sustained, 550 00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:53,061 that she was clothed. 551 00:35:53,061 --> 00:35:53,367 that she was clothed. 552 00:35:56,467 --> 00:35:59,266 Yet, she is found naked in the bathtub. 553 00:36:02,467 --> 00:36:04,900 When I analyzed the photographs 554 00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,166 from the bathroom, 555 00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:10,367 I saw an imprint of some sort. 556 00:36:14,266 --> 00:36:15,634 That is what you would expect to see 557 00:36:15,634 --> 00:36:17,533 with the sole of a shoe. 558 00:36:19,634 --> 00:36:22,734 Why would your boots be inside of the bathtub? 559 00:36:25,166 --> 00:36:26,967 The only reason is if you were trying 560 00:36:26,967 --> 00:36:29,467 to pull someone into the tub. 561 00:36:32,867 --> 00:36:35,900 She had injuries to her eyes 562 00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:37,367 from increased pressure 563 00:36:37,367 --> 00:36:39,266 that you see during strangulation, 564 00:36:39,734 --> 00:36:42,266 more than 50 in each eye. 565 00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:45,367 She had bruises on the arms 566 00:36:45,367 --> 00:36:48,367 consistent with her arms being held down 567 00:36:48,367 --> 00:36:51,066 while she's being assaulted. 568 00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:53,061 This was, in fact, death from strangulation or suffocation. 569 00:36:53,061 --> 00:36:55,734 This was, in fact, death from strangulation or suffocation. 570 00:36:57,367 --> 00:36:58,967 It was clear to me 571 00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:02,100 that one, this was a staged crime scene, 572 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:05,467 and two, that Stacy Feldman had been murdered. 573 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,266 [McBride] I walked up on the witness stand. 574 00:37:27,266 --> 00:37:29,467 They asked me to identify Bob, 575 00:37:29,467 --> 00:37:31,533 and I pointed straight at him. 576 00:37:31,533 --> 00:37:33,367 I said, "He's right there," 577 00:37:33,367 --> 00:37:35,100 and I looked him right in the eye, 578 00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,367 and he just stared at me, a very blank stare. 579 00:37:37,367 --> 00:37:40,900 There was no emotion, no nothing. 580 00:37:46,634 --> 00:37:50,367 [Goldenberg] Prosecutors said Stacy confronted him 581 00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:52,734 about the latest affair 582 00:37:52,734 --> 00:37:53,061 and told him that she's done, 583 00:37:53,061 --> 00:37:56,533 and told him that she's done, 584 00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:58,100 and the marriage is over. 585 00:37:59,867 --> 00:38:01,967 It's one thing to react 586 00:38:02,734 --> 00:38:04,100 and get upset. 587 00:38:05,634 --> 00:38:07,467 But there's that piece, 588 00:38:07,467 --> 00:38:09,166 that evil piece, 589 00:38:09,166 --> 00:38:12,100 that allowed him to hurt her the way he did 590 00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,867 and kill her. 591 00:38:17,467 --> 00:38:21,967 Dr. Smock pointed out every single mark 592 00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:23,061 that she had on her body, 593 00:38:23,061 --> 00:38:24,467 that she had on her body, 594 00:38:24,467 --> 00:38:28,000 and he pointed out that it was, um, a violent death... 595 00:38:31,066 --> 00:38:32,967 ...and that she fought back. 596 00:38:36,166 --> 00:38:38,734 And all I could think about, that whole time... 597 00:38:39,533 --> 00:38:42,100 ...is, "What is Stacy thinking? 598 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,367 Is she thinking about me? 599 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,967 Is she thinking that she's gonna die? 600 00:38:46,967 --> 00:38:48,433 Is she thinking about her kids?" 601 00:39:13,367 --> 00:39:18,800 I have no idea how I managed those seven years 602 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,061 between him killing her and the verdict. 603 00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:23,166 between him killing her and the verdict. 604 00:39:24,533 --> 00:39:28,867 Because of delays that his lawyer was able to get for him, 605 00:39:28,867 --> 00:39:32,533 because of financial delays, because of COVID, 606 00:39:32,533 --> 00:39:35,967 we had years of being in limbo. 607 00:39:37,634 --> 00:39:40,367 Every time we thought we were gonna get close, 608 00:39:40,367 --> 00:39:43,066 um, we would get our hopes up 609 00:39:43,066 --> 00:39:45,900 and think that it was gonna come to an end, 610 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,634 and then we would be crushed again. 611 00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,367 After the verdict, 612 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,061 we were shocked. 613 00:39:53,061 --> 00:39:54,066 we were shocked. 614 00:39:54,066 --> 00:39:56,166 We were stunned. 615 00:39:56,166 --> 00:39:57,734 We were speechless. 616 00:39:59,467 --> 00:40:00,734 We were elated. 617 00:40:00,734 --> 00:40:03,734 I felt, I felt free. 618 00:40:03,734 --> 00:40:04,900 I felt... 619 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,433 ...that I could breathe again. 620 00:40:09,533 --> 00:40:11,367 The fog was lifted. 621 00:40:13,734 --> 00:40:16,967 I am very, uh, grateful 622 00:40:16,967 --> 00:40:19,166 that Susan McBride came forward. 623 00:40:19,166 --> 00:40:22,066 It put the pieces together to make it make sense. 624 00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:28,266 [Altman] Susan McBride is my hero. 625 00:40:28,734 --> 00:40:30,533 What she did, 626 00:40:30,533 --> 00:40:32,367 how she came forward, 627 00:40:32,367 --> 00:40:34,533 I will forever be, um, 628 00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:37,233 indebted to her and grateful. 629 00:40:39,166 --> 00:40:42,467 [McBride] This whole situation 630 00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:47,100 and my involvement with Robert Feldman 631 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,066 really made me take a hard look at my life. 632 00:40:50,066 --> 00:40:51,634 I needed a change. 633 00:40:52,533 --> 00:40:53,061 So, I moved to an area of Northern Tuscany 634 00:40:53,061 --> 00:40:55,867 So, I moved to an area of Northern Tuscany 635 00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:58,166 called Lunigiana in Italy. 636 00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:01,734 I wanted to live a simpler life 637 00:41:01,734 --> 00:41:05,266 in a quieter place where, oh, knock on wood, 638 00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:07,634 these kinds of things don't happen so much. 639 00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:10,467 A place to really think and, you know, 640 00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:12,266 plan the next chapter of my life. 641 00:41:16,166 --> 00:41:18,166 [Altman] I can't even tell you 642 00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:21,467 how many times a day I think about Stacy, 643 00:41:21,467 --> 00:41:23,061 how many times a day I want to pick up the phone 644 00:41:23,061 --> 00:41:23,266 how many times a day I want to pick up the phone 645 00:41:23,266 --> 00:41:24,433 and call her. 646 00:41:25,533 --> 00:41:27,800 I, I'm not whole without her. 647 00:41:28,867 --> 00:41:30,100 It's such... 648 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,734 ...a hole in my heart, 649 00:41:33,467 --> 00:41:35,533 in so many people's hearts. 650 00:41:37,166 --> 00:41:38,734 You know, I hear her. 651 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,166 It sounds weird. [chuckles] 652 00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:43,166 But she had a very distinct laugh. 653 00:41:44,967 --> 00:41:46,066 I hear it a lot. 654 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,734 I'm sorry. 655 00:41:49,734 --> 00:41:51,900 I'm sorry there wasn't more we could do. 656 00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,061 We didn't know what to do. 657 00:41:53,061 --> 00:41:53,367 We didn't know what to do. 658 00:41:55,266 --> 00:41:56,900 I don't know what we would've done, 659 00:41:57,367 --> 00:41:59,000 or could've done, but... 660 00:42:00,467 --> 00:42:02,634 [sniffles] I miss her tremendously. 50194

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