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[Susan Malman Altman]
Robert promised Stacy
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that she would have
everything she wanted.
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[Jan Goldenberg]
He's a good looking guy,well-educated.
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They made each other laugh.
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She was happy, so I was happy.
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This one night,
the doorbell rang.
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This one night,
the doorbell rang.
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There's a woman therethat she doesn't know.
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She said that she waslooking for Stacy's husband.
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[Susan McBride]
My involvement witheverything that happened...
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I didn't know it could have
such a devastating impact
on so many people's lives.
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It was the beginning of hell.
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[phone ringing]
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[dispatcher speaking]
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[Robert Feldman speaking]
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[Altman] My sister Stacyhad the best personalityof anybody I know.
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She was the life of the party.
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She just really wantedto have fun.
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Funny is an understatement.
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She was thereto make people smile
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and feel happy around her.
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She would do anything
to make you laugh.
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She would do anything
to make you laugh.
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[Altman] It looks likeshe has a doily on her head.
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This is the kind of stuffshe did all the time.
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You see that smile?
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It's in every picture.
It's contagious.
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I felt like a sister to her.
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And becauseof her incredible family,
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they allowed meto feel like a sister.
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Stacy's life dream
was to have children
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and to be a mom.
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and to be a mom.
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It was almost a given
that that was her life path.
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I mean, she...
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She was incredible
with children.
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[Altman] Right after college,
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she was working in marketing.
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Every job she had
was for a fundraising
organization.
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Anything to help
the greater good
and help people.
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[Altman] She did meet a guy
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that she ended up
falling in love with
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and getting engaged to.
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Um, he was a wonderful man,and, um...
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As the wedding date
got closer,
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it was clear that, um,
something wasn't right,
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and that wedding got,
um, cancelled.
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Stacy was devastated.
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She thought that this wasthe love of her life.
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Her biological clock startedticking very, very early.
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This was not part of her plan.
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Her plan included,
um, being married
before she was 30,
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having kids before she was 30,
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and it threw her for a loop.
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and it threw her for a loop.
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She neededa change of scenery...
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...and wouldn't it be funto move to Boston
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and take care of her niece?
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And she became our nanny...
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...and it was magical.
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When I first met him,
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it was at our house.
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He was coming
to pick her up for a date.
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He was very charming,
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very likable,
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and seemed to be
enamored of her.
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and seemed to be
enamored of her.
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[Goldenberg] On paper,
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he looked great.
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He's a good looking guy,
well-educated.
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They made each other laugh.
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She had high hopesfor a change.
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I think she really lovedthe idea.
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She met him at the right time
in her life, so...
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[Altman] They went to Bostonon their first date
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and drove aroundlooking for a parking meter.
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And he had this little trick
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that will jimmythe parking meter
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so that you don't haveto put money in it.
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And Stacy thought,
"Wow, isn't that
kind of cool?"
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And I thought, "I don't think
that's cool at all.
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I think that's stealing."
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I didn't like that, and that
was their very first date.
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He came from a Jewish family,a close family.
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His parents divorcedwhen he was a child,
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and he had promised her
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that divorce would never
be in their future
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because of the trauma
that it did to him.
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Stacy's heart was broken
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when her first engagement
was broken,
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when her first engagement
was broken,
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and she was guarded...
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...and he was gonna beher forever.
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He promised herthat she would haveeverything she wanted...
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...that she would bea stay-at-home mom,
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that he was gonna providefor the family,
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that she wasn'tgoing to have to work.
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I never knew how
that was gonna happen,
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because he never
really had a job.
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because he never
really had a job.
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He was a bit of a scammer.
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He always had ways
of scamming the system.
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One of the things he did
while he was in Boston,
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I'll never forget this.
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He wentto an electronics store
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and took the electronicout of the box,
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and took the electronicout of the box,
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filled the boxwith heavy bricks
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and returned the box,
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got his money back.
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He did seem like a freeloader.
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I wasn't sureabout his motivation
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to find somethingto support a family,
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so I wasa little bit concerned.
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[Altman] Looking back on it...
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...the red flags were there.
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One night, I had invitedStacy and him to come outfor dinner with us,
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and Stacy really wanted
to come out with us,
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and he refused.
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He wanted to stay home
and cook.
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I knew that whatthat meant for Stacy
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is that he would useevery dish in the kitchen
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and then leaveall the dishes for her,
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because he never wantedto do dishes.
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because he never wantedto do dishes.
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Whatever he wanted, he got.
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Whatever he said,we all followed his rules.
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It wasn't about whatStacy wanted that night.
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It was really only aboutwhat he wanted.
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They decided they would move
to Denver, Colorado.
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They decided they would move
to Denver, Colorado.
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[Altman] If he was to beher Prince Charming
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and give her what she wantedin a marriage,
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being a stay-at-home mom,
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Robert needed to have a job.
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We have lots of familyin Denver.
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So, Stacy thought,
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"Well, maybe he'll just
come to Denver with me.
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My relatives will
help him get a job,
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and at least,
you know, he'll work.
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and at least,
you know, he'll work.
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He'll have income."
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Stacy was so excited.
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She was really ready
to move on to the next stage.
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[Goldenberg] I thinkmy gut told me,
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"He's not deserving yetto make this move with her
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and to be so immersedin her incredible family."
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And I was worried
that if he did go with her,
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she was never coming back.
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[Altman] About a weekbefore they were set to move,
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[Altman] About a weekbefore they were set to move,
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she and I went outfor dinner together,
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and this is probablythe one and only time
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I ever put myself out there
like this with her.
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I said, "Are you sure
you want him to come with you?
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You are moving to a new place.
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You have
so many opportunities.
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Are you sure
this is what you want?"
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And she said to me,and I will never forget it,
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she said,
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she said,
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"Susan, he told me thathe had a tough childhood
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and he had to take careof himself,
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and so, he's number onein his book.
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He's always gonna benumber one,"
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and I said, "Stacy,is that the kind of person
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that you wanna marry?"
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And she said the typical,
classic, textbook response.
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"He will change for me."
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This is one
of my greatest regrets.
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I think this is one of all
of our greatest regrets,
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is that we didn't know
what was, what was happening.
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We didn't put it all together.
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[phone ringing]
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[dispatcher speaking]
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[Feldman speaking]
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[Altman] They weremoving in together.
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They were setting upthe kitchen.
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They had a huge fight
about where to place
a garbage can.
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He made it clear
how he wanted things
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and how they were gonna be.
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Stacy had a mind of her own.She spoke back.
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But he wanted thingsa certain way.
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When he wanted something,
he wanted them...
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...his way.
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Stacy actually ended up
leaving him
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and movinginto my parents' house.
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Robert apologizedand promised,
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Robert apologizedand promised,
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"It won't happen again."
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[Goldenberg] I was hopefulthat this was it.
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But it was maybe a few days,
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and then they got
back together.
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[Altman] Stacy was justtoo invested at that point
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and was lookingfor her happily ever after.
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When she told methat she was engaged...
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...my heart dropped.
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While she was thrilled
about her dreams coming true
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of getting marriedand having babies,
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my stomach sunk.
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My heart sunk.
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I wasn't happy for her.
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I wasn't happy for her.
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I pretended.I put on a show. Um...
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I never shared
my true feelings with her
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about her future.
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That's somethingthat I regret, to this day.
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[Goldenberg] So it wasa lovely wedding,
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and it coincidedwith the Oscar awards
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and it coincidedwith the Oscar awards
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that were broadcast around,
it was around the same time.
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He had a really
great speech...
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...and he used the terms
from the Oscar awards.
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For example, producer...
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The director was his whatever.
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He would thank people
and acknowledge them,
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the people in his lifeand his family,
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by giving them titles.
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by giving them titles.
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And so, we all assumed
his leading lady...
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It was, it was there.
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It was there for the taking,
[chuckles] leading lady.
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It didn't, it never happened.
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He never mentioned Stacy.
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It was devastating.It was embarrassing.
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She was mortified.
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She was mortified.
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Directly affected her,
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and that was, uh,yeah, it was sad.
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It's a hard way
to start. [chuckles]
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[Altman] Yep.
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See her crown?
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She wanted to be a princess.
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That's her wedding day.
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Do you notice her smileis not quite the same smile
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that we saw in earlier photos?
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I wonder about that.
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[Goldenberg] Uh, they gotmarried in March,
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so the following June,they had their daughter.
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Beautiful girl, and, um,
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within two years of that,
they had their son.
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Becoming a mom
was her greatest joy,
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Becoming a mom
was her greatest joy,
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and she was
the best mother ever.
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Stacy stopped working
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and started living a life
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that she always dreamt of.
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[Goldenberg] His job wascommission-based,
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[Goldenberg] His job wascommission-based,
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so you really had to be
motivated and work hard.
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Um, he didn't.
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If he was home,I remember him sitting.
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That's the truth.
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I have visions of him
just sitting on the couch
in a bathrobe.
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He was never working.
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[Altman] Stacy eventuallywent back to work.
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She got a great job, again,
in the nonprofit industry,
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and she was doing
exceptionally well.
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[Altman] She did itbecause she neededto provide for her family.
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[Altman] She did itbecause she neededto provide for her family.
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Her dream of being
a stay-at-home mom
was crushed.
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[Goldenberg] We knew he was...
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...a lowlife and wasn't
gonna provide, you know?
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But then, there was
this whole other chapter
that started.
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A girlfriend and I went
down to Denver
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to celebrate my birthday,
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and the day we got there,
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and the day we got there,
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we needed to use her computer,
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so we wentto their family computer.
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We sort of justmoved the mouse,
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and, uh,
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we were immediately faced
with the open page
of a dating app.
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Jan called me right away
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and said she sawa dating website
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and that Stacy's husband
had a profile.
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and that Stacy's husband
had a profile.
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[Goldenberg] Well, at first,we were confused,
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and then we saw that
there was correspondence,
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and, whereas we were told
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that he had a meetingthat night
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and he wasn't
coming home for dinner,
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um, he, in fact, had a date,
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uh, that evening.
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I was...
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...shocked.
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I was scared. I...
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I didn't understand how it was
open on their family computer
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and I didn't know what to do.
290
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and I didn't know what to do.
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I was, I was really upset.
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I was, uh...
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...very upset.
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At that moment,we did nothing.
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We didn't tell her.
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Neither of us knew what to do.
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We did nothing.
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If we had to do itover again...
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...I would've
done it differently.
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What if she turned on us?
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What if she alienated us?
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[Altman] I talked to Stacyevery evening
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after she put the kids to bed,
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and there was this one night
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that we were doingour daily call,
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um, and the doorbell rang.
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[doorbell rings]
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She wasn't expecting anyone.
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So, she goes to the door.
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There's a woman therethat she doesn't know.
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There's a woman therethat she doesn't know.
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She said that she was lookingfor Stacy's husband.
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It turns out that it wassomebody that he hadmet on a website,
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and she came to the doorlooking for him.
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It came out that he was
with her, um, sexually.
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Stacy was shockedand surprised and disgusted.
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That's when chaos started.
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[Altman] Stacy confided in me
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that she had found outabout her husband's affair.
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He claimed he neededto get this sex
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wherever he could find it.
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As miserable and sad
as she was,
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she was more forgiving
than maybe she should
have been.
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I talked to her about it,
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00:20:39,066 --> 00:20:40,867
and she point-blank said,
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"I don't want to be
a single mom."
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I don't think our society
is supportive of single moms.
328
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I think she felt shame
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in the situationthat she was in.
330
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She didn't have any friends
that were divorced.
331
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She insistedthat they seek therapy.
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And he would start
at her insistence,
333
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and he wouldn't finish,
334
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or he wouldn't continue to go.
335
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There would always bean excuse.
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He didn't like the person.
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He didn't need the help.
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[Goldenberg] He was makingexcuses for himself.
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But it was mean.It was hurtful.
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He told her that he neededher to lose weight
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so that he could beattracted to her again.
342
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so that he could beattracted to her again.
343
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How he spoke to her,it was shocking.
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He was rude. He was mean.
345
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I couldn't believe it.
346
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They tried every avenue.
347
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Nothing worked.
Nothing helped.
348
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And it didn't stop.
349
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[Altman] We talkedabout her leaving him.
350
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I talked to her about what
she wanted to do about that,
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00:21:56,867 --> 00:21:58,867
and we had made a plan
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that, that she was
gonna leave.
353
00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:06,333
But he said to her,
354
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"I will never divorce you.
355
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I will never let youdivorce me,
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because I am a productof a broken marriage,
357
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and I will not do that
to my children."
358
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She was crying
and crying and crying.
359
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[sniffles]
360
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And I was listening to her.
361
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I wasn't saying a lot.
362
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I was just listening to her,
363
00:22:29,367 --> 00:22:32,266
and I had this thought,
364
00:22:32,266 --> 00:22:34,634
and I said to myself...
365
00:22:36,066 --> 00:22:36,997
..."If she ends up dead,
366
00:22:36,997 --> 00:22:38,367
..."If she ends up dead,
367
00:22:38,367 --> 00:22:41,000
it's because
he's gonna kill her."
368
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,634
[McBride] I had been, uh,divorced for many years.
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I had used several
online dating sites.
370
00:23:03,266 --> 00:23:06,967
Um, didn't have a whole lot
of success with anything,
371
00:23:06,967 --> 00:23:06,997
and I thought I would
try something new
372
00:23:06,997 --> 00:23:10,066
and I thought I would
try something new
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and try the Tinder app.
374
00:23:18,867 --> 00:23:22,266
His profile picture, he had
a big smile on his face,
375
00:23:22,266 --> 00:23:24,634
um, he was laughing,
376
00:23:24,634 --> 00:23:28,233
and he just looked likea very happy person.
377
00:23:30,166 --> 00:23:32,600
So that's what drew meto his photograph,
378
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,367
and so, I swiped right on Bob.
379
00:23:42,734 --> 00:23:44,433
We met for coffee.
380
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We talked about everything.
381
00:23:47,967 --> 00:23:50,533
He had told mehe was just separated.
382
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He had been separatedfor two years,
383
00:23:52,367 --> 00:23:54,367
and they were bothseeing other people.
384
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I also opened upabout my life.
385
00:24:00,266 --> 00:24:02,734
I told him about
my divorce situation.
386
00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:05,634
We talked about our careers,
about our kids,
387
00:24:05,634 --> 00:24:06,997
what we were looking forin terms of relationship,
388
00:24:06,997 --> 00:24:08,867
what we were looking forin terms of relationship,
389
00:24:08,867 --> 00:24:12,066
and we talked about
what we liked to do for fun.
390
00:24:12,066 --> 00:24:14,967
Both of us loved
to go antiquing
391
00:24:14,967 --> 00:24:17,800
and just hang out in the cityor go to the mountains.
392
00:24:18,533 --> 00:24:20,634
Bob and I really
seemed to click.
393
00:24:23,734 --> 00:24:27,500
On Thursday, we were planning
to get together at a wine bar,
394
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,734
uh, after work.
395
00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:33,367
It was blizzarding that night.
396
00:24:33,367 --> 00:24:36,367
It was a really snowy night.
397
00:24:36,367 --> 00:24:36,997
And he said, "Why don't
I just come to you?"
398
00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:39,266
And he said, "Why don't
I just come to you?"
399
00:24:45,967 --> 00:24:48,967
That evening, you know,I asked a lot of questions
400
00:24:48,967 --> 00:24:54,266
about his situationwith his wife.
401
00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:56,266
Uh, he had explained to me
402
00:24:56,266 --> 00:24:59,867
that the reason thathe separated from her
403
00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:02,634
was because she wasan absentee mother.
404
00:25:02,634 --> 00:25:06,166
Uh, Bob had said,"I'm always takingthe kids skiing
405
00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:06,997
and to the mountainsand camping,
406
00:25:06,997 --> 00:25:07,867
and to the mountainsand camping,
407
00:25:07,867 --> 00:25:10,266
and she's really not involved,
408
00:25:10,266 --> 00:25:12,367
and I didn'tsign up for that."
409
00:25:14,867 --> 00:25:16,867
I thought,
410
00:25:16,867 --> 00:25:19,533
"Bob must be
a really dedicated father."
411
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,734
We ended up sleeping together
that night.
412
00:25:31,266 --> 00:25:33,233
I was feeling good about him.
413
00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:36,967
But 15 minutes later,
414
00:25:36,967 --> 00:25:36,997
he sat up in bed
and said, "I gotta go."
415
00:25:36,997 --> 00:25:39,734
he sat up in bed
and said, "I gotta go."
416
00:25:43,467 --> 00:25:44,634
I thought, at that point,
417
00:25:44,634 --> 00:25:47,233
"He's lying to me.
He's married or something."
418
00:25:52,967 --> 00:25:56,333
From then, I startedgoogling "Bob Wolfe,"
419
00:25:57,166 --> 00:25:58,800
and nothing came up.
420
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,166
So at that point,
421
00:26:02,166 --> 00:26:04,533
I decided to doa reverse look-up
422
00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:05,900
on the phone number
he gave me.
423
00:26:07,467 --> 00:26:10,367
I found a LinkedIn profile,
424
00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:13,333
and it had
a big picture of him.
425
00:26:16,266 --> 00:26:18,734
It said, "Robert W. Feldman."
426
00:26:24,066 --> 00:26:27,000
I started googling his wife,
at that point...
427
00:26:28,967 --> 00:26:34,467
...and what I found wasthat she was the president
428
00:26:34,467 --> 00:26:36,997
of the PTOof the kids' grade school.
429
00:26:36,997 --> 00:26:37,467
of the PTOof the kids' grade school.
430
00:26:37,467 --> 00:26:40,634
So not only was she notan absentee mother,
431
00:26:40,634 --> 00:26:43,600
but she wasa really dedicated mother
432
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,433
who volunteered her time.
433
00:26:47,266 --> 00:26:48,967
I was really angry.
434
00:26:48,967 --> 00:26:53,467
Bob had disparaged her
and lied to me.
435
00:26:56,266 --> 00:26:58,333
I felt she had
the right to know.
436
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,997
I wrote her an email,
437
00:27:06,997 --> 00:27:07,066
I wrote her an email,
438
00:27:07,066 --> 00:27:10,734
and I said, "Stacy,
you don't know me,
439
00:27:10,734 --> 00:27:14,467
but I'm trying to find out
if you and Bob are separated.
440
00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:18,266
If you're not,he's cheating on you.
441
00:27:18,266 --> 00:27:19,967
We slept together once,
442
00:27:19,967 --> 00:27:22,000
and he blew me off
after that."
443
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:28,100
She wrote backat 8:30 and said,
444
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:30,467
uh, "No, we are not separated.
445
00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:33,634
I'm done with him now.
I've had it."
446
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:36,997
I said, "Are you
gonna be okay?"
447
00:27:36,997 --> 00:27:38,734
I said, "Are you
gonna be okay?"
448
00:27:38,734 --> 00:27:42,066
and she said, "I havea really supportive familyand lots of friends.
449
00:27:42,066 --> 00:27:43,233
I'll be fine.
450
00:27:45,066 --> 00:27:48,800
But I really do appreciate
you reaching out."
451
00:27:51,734 --> 00:27:54,000
It was a good conversation.It was, you know...
452
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,533
I was feeling likeI had done the right thing.
453
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:03,734
I didn't know it could havesuch a devastating impact
454
00:28:03,734 --> 00:28:05,467
on so many people's lives.
455
00:28:13,367 --> 00:28:15,233
[phone ringing]
456
00:28:37,634 --> 00:28:39,533
[phone ringing]
457
00:29:45,734 --> 00:29:49,533
I was getting ready to go out,
and the phone rang,
458
00:29:49,533 --> 00:29:51,734
and one of my kids
answered the phone,
459
00:29:51,734 --> 00:29:54,900
and said,
"Grandpa's on the phone."
460
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:58,367
So I get on the phone,and my dad says...
461
00:30:00,867 --> 00:30:02,166
..."Stacy's dead,"
462
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,921
and I said, "What?"
463
00:30:04,921 --> 00:30:04,967
and I said, "What?"
464
00:30:04,967 --> 00:30:07,233
and he said, "Stacy's dead."
465
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:12,867
I screamed.
466
00:30:13,467 --> 00:30:15,100
Um, I broke into tears.
467
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,333
I sort of felt like...
468
00:30:19,166 --> 00:30:22,367
...I was up in the clouds
looking in,
469
00:30:22,367 --> 00:30:24,867
and that this really
wasn't happening.
470
00:30:27,533 --> 00:30:30,734
I remember my 11-year-old
daughter holding me
471
00:30:30,734 --> 00:30:31,634
while I was screaming.
472
00:30:31,634 --> 00:30:34,000
I don't, I don't
remember much.
473
00:30:42,266 --> 00:30:44,867
[Altman] Stacy's husbandtold the detective
474
00:30:44,867 --> 00:30:47,533
that she wasn't feeling well
475
00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:50,266
and she didn't get out of bedthat morning,
476
00:30:50,266 --> 00:30:53,734
and, um, he took
the children to school,
477
00:30:53,734 --> 00:30:57,100
and when he came home
later in the afternoon
478
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:58,800
is when he found her dead.
479
00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:04,066
They asked him if he wanted
an autopsy done,
480
00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:04,921
and he, um, said that,
481
00:31:04,921 --> 00:31:07,467
and he, um, said that,
482
00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:12,734
"We are Jewish,
and Jewish people, um,
don't do autopsies,"
483
00:31:12,734 --> 00:31:16,100
and he did not wantto have one done.
484
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,467
But it is just customary
485
00:31:18,467 --> 00:31:21,467
that when, um,
a young person dies
486
00:31:21,467 --> 00:31:24,166
without a history of illness
487
00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:26,700
that an autopsy
has to be done.
488
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,066
It's mandatory.
489
00:31:52,367 --> 00:31:55,166
[McBride] I had hadanother bad internet date,
490
00:31:55,166 --> 00:31:58,367
didn't go well, and I got home
491
00:31:58,367 --> 00:32:01,266
and I was just lying in bed
on my phone,
492
00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:03,800
and I thought, "I wonderif they got divorced."
493
00:32:08,166 --> 00:32:10,166
So I googled, and...
494
00:32:11,166 --> 00:32:12,800
...her obituary came up,
495
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:15,867
pretty much immediately.
496
00:32:21,533 --> 00:32:23,233
[sighs] Ugh...
497
00:32:23,867 --> 00:32:25,533
My stomach just turned.
498
00:32:25,533 --> 00:32:27,100
My stomach just turned.
499
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:30,467
Um, I looked at the date
of her death,
500
00:32:30,467 --> 00:32:34,100
and I realized that that
was around the time
I spoke to her.
501
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:34,921
And so, I went and looked
at my email to her,
502
00:32:34,921 --> 00:32:37,867
And so, I went and looked
at my email to her,
503
00:32:37,867 --> 00:32:40,166
and I realized
it was the same day.
504
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:47,166
I couldn't believe it.
505
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,100
I looked up the numberfor Denver Homicide,
506
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,066
and they were very interested
in what I had to say.
507
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:04,921
I told them the whole story.
508
00:33:04,921 --> 00:33:06,367
I told them the whole story.
509
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:10,533
He told me in the interview
510
00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:13,967
that the medical examiner had
ruled her death undetermined.
511
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,900
They were continuing
to follow leads.
512
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,100
I'm a researcher,
513
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,100
and when the detective told me
514
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:32,467
that the cause of death
was undetermined,
515
00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:34,921
um, I wanted
to see it for myself.
516
00:33:34,921 --> 00:33:35,433
um, I wanted
to see it for myself.
517
00:33:43,467 --> 00:33:45,634
I left the detective's office
518
00:33:45,634 --> 00:33:47,734
and I went to the medicalexaminer's office,
519
00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:49,800
and I got a copyof the autopsy.
520
00:33:53,967 --> 00:33:56,100
I read the details...
521
00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:01,000
...and it said she hadbruising about her headand upper body.
522
00:34:06,867 --> 00:34:10,266
She was found with her tongueclinched between her teeth.
523
00:34:12,166 --> 00:34:14,634
I knew from reading it
that something...
524
00:34:14,634 --> 00:34:17,166
Something very wrong
had happened.
525
00:34:31,367 --> 00:34:35,166
[Dr. Bill Smock]
I'd wanted to closelyexamine the evidence,
526
00:34:35,166 --> 00:34:38,867
looking for clues that
may have been not appreciated
527
00:34:38,867 --> 00:34:43,066
or missed as partof the initial investigation.
528
00:34:43,066 --> 00:34:46,533
Robert Feldman told the police
that he came home
529
00:34:46,533 --> 00:34:49,634
and found his wife naked
in the shower.
530
00:34:51,967 --> 00:34:53,061
Didn't know whether
she had drowned, fallen,
531
00:34:53,061 --> 00:34:54,467
Didn't know whether
she had drowned, fallen,
532
00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:55,634
had a heart attack...
533
00:34:55,634 --> 00:34:57,166
He didn't know.
534
00:34:58,734 --> 00:35:02,166
The detectivesand the first responders
535
00:35:02,166 --> 00:35:04,100
felt there was
something unusual
536
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,467
about his demeanor.
537
00:35:10,533 --> 00:35:12,367
[Dr. Smock] I listenedto the 9-1-1 call.
538
00:35:13,166 --> 00:35:16,467
He sounded over-hysterical,
539
00:35:16,467 --> 00:35:18,166
very dramatic.
540
00:35:18,166 --> 00:35:20,100
[Feldman speaking]
541
00:35:24,266 --> 00:35:27,266
Being found dead
in the bathtub
542
00:35:27,266 --> 00:35:30,533
is highly suspicious
of a staged scene.
543
00:35:33,367 --> 00:35:37,166
When I looked at the location
of Stacy's injuries,
544
00:35:37,166 --> 00:35:39,367
it was not what you wouldexpect to see
545
00:35:39,367 --> 00:35:41,800
from a fall in a bathtub.
546
00:35:42,266 --> 00:35:44,166
Too many. Way too many.
547
00:35:44,166 --> 00:35:46,367
There were, we call them"pattern imprints,
548
00:35:46,367 --> 00:35:48,000
pattern abrasions,"
549
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,367
which tells me that
when those injuries
were sustained,
550
00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:53,061
that she was clothed.
551
00:35:53,061 --> 00:35:53,367
that she was clothed.
552
00:35:56,467 --> 00:35:59,266
Yet, she is found naked
in the bathtub.
553
00:36:02,467 --> 00:36:04,900
When I analyzedthe photographs
554
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,166
from the bathroom,
555
00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:10,367
I saw an imprint of some sort.
556
00:36:14,266 --> 00:36:15,634
That is what you wouldexpect to see
557
00:36:15,634 --> 00:36:17,533
with the sole of a shoe.
558
00:36:19,634 --> 00:36:22,734
Why would your bootsbe inside of the bathtub?
559
00:36:25,166 --> 00:36:26,967
The only reason
is if you were trying
560
00:36:26,967 --> 00:36:29,467
to pull someone into the tub.
561
00:36:32,867 --> 00:36:35,900
She had injuries to her eyes
562
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:37,367
from increased pressure
563
00:36:37,367 --> 00:36:39,266
that you seeduring strangulation,
564
00:36:39,734 --> 00:36:42,266
more than 50 in each eye.
565
00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:45,367
She had bruises on the arms
566
00:36:45,367 --> 00:36:48,367
consistent with her arms
being held down
567
00:36:48,367 --> 00:36:51,066
while she's being assaulted.
568
00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:53,061
This was, in fact, deathfrom strangulationor suffocation.
569
00:36:53,061 --> 00:36:55,734
This was, in fact, deathfrom strangulationor suffocation.
570
00:36:57,367 --> 00:36:58,967
It was clear to me
571
00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:02,100
that one, this was
a staged crime scene,
572
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:05,467
and two, that Stacy Feldman
had been murdered.
573
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,266
[McBride] I walked upon the witness stand.
574
00:37:27,266 --> 00:37:29,467
They asked me to identify Bob,
575
00:37:29,467 --> 00:37:31,533
and I pointed straight at him.
576
00:37:31,533 --> 00:37:33,367
I said, "He's right there,"
577
00:37:33,367 --> 00:37:35,100
and I looked himright in the eye,
578
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,367
and he just stared at me,a very blank stare.
579
00:37:37,367 --> 00:37:40,900
There was no emotion,
no nothing.
580
00:37:46,634 --> 00:37:50,367
[Goldenberg] Prosecutors saidStacy confronted him
581
00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:52,734
about the latest affair
582
00:37:52,734 --> 00:37:53,061
and told him that she's done,
583
00:37:53,061 --> 00:37:56,533
and told him that she's done,
584
00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:58,100
and the marriage is over.
585
00:37:59,867 --> 00:38:01,967
It's one thing to react
586
00:38:02,734 --> 00:38:04,100
and get upset.
587
00:38:05,634 --> 00:38:07,467
But there's that piece,
588
00:38:07,467 --> 00:38:09,166
that evil piece,
589
00:38:09,166 --> 00:38:12,100
that allowed him to hurt her
the way he did
590
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,867
and kill her.
591
00:38:17,467 --> 00:38:21,967
Dr. Smock pointed out
every single mark
592
00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:23,061
that she had on her body,
593
00:38:23,061 --> 00:38:24,467
that she had on her body,
594
00:38:24,467 --> 00:38:28,000
and he pointed outthat it was, um,a violent death...
595
00:38:31,066 --> 00:38:32,967
...and that she fought back.
596
00:38:36,166 --> 00:38:38,734
And all I could think about,that whole time...
597
00:38:39,533 --> 00:38:42,100
...is, "What isStacy thinking?
598
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,367
Is she thinking about me?
599
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,967
Is she thinking
that she's gonna die?
600
00:38:46,967 --> 00:38:48,433
Is she thinking
about her kids?"
601
00:39:13,367 --> 00:39:18,800
I have no idea how I managedthose seven years
602
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,061
between him killing herand the verdict.
603
00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:23,166
between him killing herand the verdict.
604
00:39:24,533 --> 00:39:28,867
Because of delays
that his lawyer was
able to get for him,
605
00:39:28,867 --> 00:39:32,533
because of financial delays,because of COVID,
606
00:39:32,533 --> 00:39:35,967
we had years
of being in limbo.
607
00:39:37,634 --> 00:39:40,367
Every time we thoughtwe were gonna get close,
608
00:39:40,367 --> 00:39:43,066
um, we would get our hopes up
609
00:39:43,066 --> 00:39:45,900
and think that it was
gonna come to an end,
610
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,634
and then we would be
crushed again.
611
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,367
After the verdict,
612
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,061
we were shocked.
613
00:39:53,061 --> 00:39:54,066
we were shocked.
614
00:39:54,066 --> 00:39:56,166
We were stunned.
615
00:39:56,166 --> 00:39:57,734
We were speechless.
616
00:39:59,467 --> 00:40:00,734
We were elated.
617
00:40:00,734 --> 00:40:03,734
I felt, I felt free.
618
00:40:03,734 --> 00:40:04,900
I felt...
619
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,433
...that I could breathe again.
620
00:40:09,533 --> 00:40:11,367
The fog was lifted.
621
00:40:13,734 --> 00:40:16,967
I am very, uh, grateful
622
00:40:16,967 --> 00:40:19,166
that Susan McBride
came forward.
623
00:40:19,166 --> 00:40:22,066
It put the pieces together
to make it make sense.
624
00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:28,266
[Altman] Susan McBrideis my hero.
625
00:40:28,734 --> 00:40:30,533
What she did,
626
00:40:30,533 --> 00:40:32,367
how she came forward,
627
00:40:32,367 --> 00:40:34,533
I will forever be, um,
628
00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:37,233
indebted to her and grateful.
629
00:40:39,166 --> 00:40:42,467
[McBride] This whole situation
630
00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:47,100
and my involvementwith Robert Feldman
631
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,066
really made me take
a hard look at my life.
632
00:40:50,066 --> 00:40:51,634
I needed a change.
633
00:40:52,533 --> 00:40:53,061
So, I moved to an area
of Northern Tuscany
634
00:40:53,061 --> 00:40:55,867
So, I moved to an area
of Northern Tuscany
635
00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:58,166
called Lunigiana in Italy.
636
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:01,734
I wanted to livea simpler life
637
00:41:01,734 --> 00:41:05,266
in a quieter place where,oh, knock on wood,
638
00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:07,634
these kinds of thingsdon't happen so much.
639
00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:10,467
A place to really thinkand, you know,
640
00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:12,266
plan the next chapterof my life.
641
00:41:16,166 --> 00:41:18,166
[Altman] I can't even tell you
642
00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:21,467
how many times a dayI think about Stacy,
643
00:41:21,467 --> 00:41:23,061
how many times a dayI want to pick up the phone
644
00:41:23,061 --> 00:41:23,266
how many times a dayI want to pick up the phone
645
00:41:23,266 --> 00:41:24,433
and call her.
646
00:41:25,533 --> 00:41:27,800
I, I'm not whole without her.
647
00:41:28,867 --> 00:41:30,100
It's such...
648
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,734
...a hole in my heart,
649
00:41:33,467 --> 00:41:35,533
in so many people's hearts.
650
00:41:37,166 --> 00:41:38,734
You know, I hear her.
651
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,166
It sounds weird. [chuckles]
652
00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:43,166
But she had
a very distinct laugh.
653
00:41:44,967 --> 00:41:46,066
I hear it a lot.
654
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,734
I'm sorry.
655
00:41:49,734 --> 00:41:51,900
I'm sorry there wasn'tmore we could do.
656
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,061
We didn't know what to do.
657
00:41:53,061 --> 00:41:53,367
We didn't know what to do.
658
00:41:55,266 --> 00:41:56,900
I don't knowwhat we would've done,
659
00:41:57,367 --> 00:41:59,000
or could've done, but...
660
00:42:00,467 --> 00:42:02,634
[sniffles] I miss her
tremendously.
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