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tonight on Frontline a multi-billion
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dollar a year industry the debate over
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supplements how could it be that you can
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sell something without any evidence that
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it's safe or effective they say their
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products will make you healthier
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consumers derive a benefit over half the
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country every day takes a supplement
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safely and effectively but critics say
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that many have fraudulent claims could
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be dangerous and should be regulated it
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almost takes a sacrificial lamb to die
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before the Food and Drug Administration
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can take any action correspondent
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Jillian Finlay
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investigates oh that doesn't smell good
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very strong fishy smell supplements and
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safety a Frontline New York Times
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special
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report this is a product that was
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formulated for people who are under
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severe this is an herb that would be
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great for older individuals that are
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concerned about
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it's estimated that half of all
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Americans take a health supplement every
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day that one is going to be amazing for
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supporting encapsulates the nutrients in
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a non-GMO soy antio it's a 30 plus
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billion doll industry I will guarantee
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you that this will change your reality
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within 3 to 5 days companies range from
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Big Pharma to M and
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Pop I started in my kitchen making them
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by hand back in
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the80s I would order the ingredients I
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would order the capsules and with a
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plate of a 100 capsules I would weigh
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out and fill them up and you have a
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bottle of 100 capsules of any particular
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vitamin you wanted do you have
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background in Pharmacology or medicine
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or any expertise in this area I did some
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college but most of my time was spent in
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the medical libraries at Stony Brook so
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you sort of were self-taught then were
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you selftaught correct
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yes Candace trip called her company
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Purity
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first she says she was helped by her
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then husband Terren Dulan a
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chiropractor and what was his academic
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background or or expertise in this area
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he was a chemist he was a chemist in
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college and then he went on to
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chiropractic school from Mod beginning
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she says she grew the business into a
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half a million doll a year Enterprise
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selling on the web in stores and through
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local Alternative healthc Care
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Providers Purity first is a great name
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and I said Gee how can you go wrong it's
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what you would imagine that you would
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want in every single vitamin that it's
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absolutely
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pure Vinnie Gro was an early Purity
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first customer the vitamins became part
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of his daily Quest For Better Health I
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felt fine and of course you know I'm
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running every day I'm feeling great up
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until the October November December time
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frame of 2012 where I had some very
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unusual
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symptoms it started with unexplained
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back pain that soon became
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debilitating he then started hearing
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from other Purity first customers with
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troubling symptoms of their
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own I'm hearing stories my daughter is
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an honor student she's on the swim team
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but she's been thrown out of school for
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being overly aggressive I'm talking to a
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woman who had lost uh her position in a
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choir because her voice had changed I'm
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talking to another woman who said I've
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got these incredible bleeding scales on
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my head and I can't go to work they were
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all taking the same vitamins recommended
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they say by Terren Duan the chiropractor
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now a naturopath Duan declined to be
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interviewed and denies any
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responsibility Terry had come to me in
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January and asked me if I thought
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anything was wrong because he said there
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was some blood tests coming back that
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was funky at that
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point we had just had Hurricane Sandy
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come
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through and a lot of people were getting
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sick after they were in their basements
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cleaning up water and that's why he had
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recommended people go see um this other
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doctor right and they started going to
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see doctor's faith we had an examination
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and he said to me what is it that all of
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you who've come to me in the past month
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and a half have one commonality you've
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all taken Purity first b50
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vitamins it's estimated there are 85,000
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dietary supplements for sale in the
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United States today right here I have
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our liposomal D this is our bopa this is
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an herb that would be great for older
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individuals that are the essential
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nutrients like chromium with so many
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pictures and promises you might assume
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that some government agency has approved
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them before allowing them onto the
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market the FDA does not do any review of
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dietary supplements before they come
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onto the market and I think that all
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consumers need to understand this no
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testing no obligation to provide any
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evidence a product is effective or even
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safe the one thing manufacturers do have
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to show is that they follow good
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manufacturing practices the FDA conducts
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inspections for that but it's limited by
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resources and by
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information we actually don't know the
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total number of Manufacturers that we
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need to be able to inspect because there
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is no formal registration system that is
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required of um um manufacturers that
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make dietary supplements and so we do
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inspections of the ones that we know
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about the FDA did know about a
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supplement manufacturer that used to
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operate here in 2012 and again in the
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spring of
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2013 Mira Health Products was cited by
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FDA inspectors for violating
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manufacturing codes among the products
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mea produced Candace stps Purity first
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vitamins I had a lot of faith in Mirror
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because he was more of a smaller scale
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manufacturer he wasn't one of these big
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pharmaceutical company that
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just didn't really make you warm and
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fuzzy well what did you do to try to
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verify that this was a reputable company
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that would make the product that you
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wanted um they're supposed to test the
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product and give you an analysis at the
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end that what is in the capsule is what
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they've tested and the certificate is
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supposed to be certified and this is
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what your product is and did they give
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you those certificates I believe yes
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they did they did they gave us those and
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there didn't seem to be a problem but by
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2013 there was a problem Dr Kenna spaith
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who specializes in environmental health
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is a man those pury first customers
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turned to to investigate their symptoms
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he arranged for the b50 vitamins to be
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tested
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and the results were a shock the
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capsules were laced with two anabolic
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steroids Joe quailer Candace Trip's
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current husband took it up with mir's
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owner I called Mike and said pretty much
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what could have
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happened and you know he was making the
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M enhancement pills and he said Joe he
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said if they found any type of steroids
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in there the only thing I could possibly
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think is maybe the mixer was not cleaned
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enough you know you go to by now Purity
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first customers had started hiring
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lawyers and sharing their
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stories uh change in the voice change in
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the sexual organs hair growth on a young
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lady was one of our clients basically
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developing mustache beard uh the female
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sexual organs taking on a male
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configuration for The Men Who ingested
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these things they developed what's
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called
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gynecomastia uh you end up with male
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breasts it would take the FDA nearly 6
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months to get the Purity first vitamins
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off the market a response Dr spai calls
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glacial he declined to be interviewed on
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camera but he shared email exchanges
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with us detailing his efforts to get the
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FDA to
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act space says he suspected
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contamination but his first inquiry went
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unanswered when he emailed again asking
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if the lack of response was was a lack
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of Interest he was referred to the fda's
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hotline for adverse reactions called
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medwatch spaith had tried the line been
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transferred and put on hold before being
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disconnected
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twice 5 weeks later he was still
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frustrated will you tell me what your
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plans are he wrote I have 20 very
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worried patients and little to offer
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them among the officials spaith was
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writing to was Daniel fabricant then
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head of the the fda's division of
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dietary
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supplements we took that information um
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while it was helpful it didn't make the
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whole case we had to make the case at
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FDA and we did uh and remove the product
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successfully one of his biggest
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complaints is is the amount of time it
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took just to get somebody to call him
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back he says one of the operators she
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acted as if I was telling her that
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aliens put messages in my Cheerios now
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that doesn't suggest that you've got a
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particularly robust system in place to
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allow people to report problems when
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they happen right well I can assure you
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the government worked very quickly the
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agency is acting to remove the product
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across the board across the country so
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it's a bit more of a heavier scientific
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lift than just a doctor having an
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Intuition or a feeling about something
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we had to build evidence Court ready
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evidence to take away somebody's product
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somebody's manufacturing operation and
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that's exactly what we did and doing
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that in 6 months the team at the FDA
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worked diligently and worked quickly to
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do that which was a quite a successful
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accomplishment two women from the FDA
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came in and they were speaking with us
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about how there seems to be a problem
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with one of our products when we asked
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which product they said oh that didn't
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matter yet okay do you want us to stop
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selling the product no you don't have to
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stop selling the product nobody died
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they said nobody died those were their
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words their words were nobody died you
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don't have to pull the product if there
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was any concern at all what why didn't
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you just pull it from the market I mean
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why did you not do it yourself great
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question their response to
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me um was people call the FDA all the
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times to report minor
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things so don't worry about it the FDA
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strongly denies those things were said
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some vitamins manufactured here in Long
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Island are triggering recently issued
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stero in the end Purity first withdrew
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the V under
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pressure ofor miror was forced out of
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business by the FDA nobody from the
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company would speak to us 36 people are
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now suing the companies and no one knows
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how many people in total may have been
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harmed SPI had brought up that he was
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looking for a needle on a Hy for Vin
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Grau and his lawyer it was a sobering
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look into a troubled World dollar I was
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very concerned and then I realized that
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this whole industry needs
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change and it and how much danger we're
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all in not just from Purity first likely
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but from others that can put anything
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into these little bottles and and put a
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seal and a label on
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it in 2013 the Children's Hospital of
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Philadelphia had had
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enough worried about the number and
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quality of the supplements their
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patients were arriving with Hospital
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pharmacists decided to challenge
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manufacturers families are showing up
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literally with shopping bags full of
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dietary supplements regulatory issues in
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the United States are that you have to
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if a patient brings a medication into a
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hospital we have to as pharmacist verify
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that this is a quality product it is
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what it says it is it's labeled
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appropriately it's being dosed
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appropriately and so
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on we got fed up we took a step back and
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we said okay we're going to ask these
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companies to at least meet a labeling
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standard they have to send us something
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called a certificate of analysis which
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means they've had their product analyzed
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by an independent party that says that
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what's on the labels what's in the
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bottle 90% of the companies never
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responded and of the 10% that responded
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of the that 10% often they would send us
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certificates of analysis where what was
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on the label wasn't even close to what
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was in the bottle and these were the
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ones who responded to us which made us
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fearful of an industry that we couldn't
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trust for example this is a aquous
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vitamin D drop so we use vitamin D in um
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premature infants it says it should have
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400 international units
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per 1 ml of solution however it tells us
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that the results are that it's 213% of
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the labeled value so it's more than
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double what it says that it is so if
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we're dosing premature infants who need
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very tiny doses of this drug we're now
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potentially giving them double what they
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should get and could really put them at
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risk for
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toxicity in the end only 35 supplements
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met the hospital
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standards I come away very worried and
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dismayed
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I'm worried mostly about what um the
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American public is being exposed to
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because it's
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essentially a complete unknown when
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you're buying a dietary supplement
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unless you have some proof of what's in
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that product it could be
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anything at the New York Botanical
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Gardens you can find many of the herbs
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We Buy in bottles in their natural
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state this is black kohos commonly
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recommended to women to treat symptoms
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of menopause
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in 2010 gynecologist David Baker decided
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to check out what so many of his
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patients were taking he bought dozens of
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brands of black coo supplements and
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started testing the DNA 30% had no black
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Kash and the the samples that we found
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we could identify the other plants as
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well and they were from ornamental
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plants from China
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Baker and his colleagues published the
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results in an academic Journal but they
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didn't get much attention so they kept
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on testing other supplements produced
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results that were no less
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disturbing upwards of 15% of supplements
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like Sal pometto or not Sal
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pometto uh supplements like um Devil's
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claw
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100% are not Devil's claw or
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contaminated with some other
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problem what I see in this is that there
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are
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those who take the easy way out a
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fraudulent way and want to put something
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in the bottle that's cheap and readily
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available and buyer
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beware with billions of dollars at stake
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it's no surprise that the supplement is
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industry is a powerful force in
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Washington there are four separate Lobby
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groups the largest the natural products
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Association headed by Daniel fabricant
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you know a lot of products now you'll
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see private label a lot of the contract
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manufacturers that make the private
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label are a members as well it's the
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same Daniel fabricant who until 2014 was
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in charge of regulating dietary
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supplements at the
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FDA he defends what critics have called
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a disturbing revolving door
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folks who understand an industry make
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for very effective Regulators I think
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that it certainly worked for the
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consumer benefit which at the end of the
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day I think FDA the industry in are in
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the same business is to make sure
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consumers have access to safe healthy
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products do you accept that there is a
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problem with adulteration though in the
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natural health food industry there may
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be some supply chain issues we need to
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be mindful of but again I think that
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there are federal authorities that cover
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that that ensure that products are made
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to you know made to certain quality
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parameters it's defined by law and if
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firms don't there are clear consequences
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so I think that that's the important
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thing is and Americans have a high
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degree of confidence in the products
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because of
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that but just months after leaving the
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FDA fabricant didn't sound so confident
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himself in a presentation to a trade
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Association conference he shared some of
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the results of FDA
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inspections you talked about the some of
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the findings the companies that were
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doing no testing uh have no idea of what
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they're buying or selling companies that
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have no standards inadequate records
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being kept no specification set and this
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is a quotation the extreme of this
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observation is more common than
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expected which I read to be this is
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worse than the extreme those are the
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companies we took action against those
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are the companies we drove out of
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business though I'm speaking from my
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experience when I was a regulator when
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we saw those problems and they were they
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were extreme we threw the book at people
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and so I think that that's you know
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that's good news for consumers as how
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how many companies did you throw at a
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business uh quite a number I think we
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processed over 25 injunctions during my
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time at the agency mhm so in in an
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industry that has 4,000 or more
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manufacturers is that significant I got
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my 25 you get yours I'm not a regulator
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I don't think that's going to happen it
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is significant it's very
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significant the FDA division in charge
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of the supplement industry is Tiny just
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25
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employees they target companies they
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consider the most risky but agree the
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problem remains much bigger than that
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because of the targeting and because of
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traditionally the way this industry has
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developed over time we do see a higher
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proportion of inspections that we do
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with dietary supplements a higher
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proportion of them that have substantial
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problems than in other categories that
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we regulate how much does that worry you
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um it of course it's a concern because
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ultimately this isn't about us and it
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isn't about the companies it's about the
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consumers to many supplements may look
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like prescription drugs but there's a
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big difference drug makers have to prove
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their products are safe and effective
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before putting them on the market those
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who make supplements don't not unless
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they're introducing a new ingredient
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that's never been marketed
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before it's an absurd absurd system in
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the future many years we'll look back
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and we'll say how could we have possibly
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done this it took a hundred years of
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thoughtful regulatory advances to ensure
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that drugs now we're talking about
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prescription drugs are both safe and
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effective how could it be that the clock
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turned back to the world of uh 1920s
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1930s when you can sell something
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without any evidence that it's safe or
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effective we are back at the turn of a
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century when snake oil salesmen could
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Hawk their potions with promises that
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couldn't be kept in the early 1990s the
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head of the FDA was David Kesler that is
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absolutely false he arrived in office
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promising tougher regulations for
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supplements in particular demanding
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Health claims be backed by scientific
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evidence the industry went Bonkers
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everything
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exploded I mean I've taken on some of
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the hardest regulatory
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issues me I did uh tobacco tobacco
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looked easy compared U to dietary
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supplements what what happened was the
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dietary supplement industry
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recognized that the standard that we set
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significant scientific agreement would
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require
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it before it could make a claim to have
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a scientific basis and they just
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couldn't make any claim and they saw
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literally billions of dollars at
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stake and they Unleashed a lobbying
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campaign that was Second To
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None the campaign was as dramatic as it
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was
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effective hey guys got it's only vitam
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complete with Hollywood
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stars vitamin C you know like in oranges
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Congress received more letters regarding
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this than they ever received regarding
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the Vietnam
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War Dan Hurley has written what many
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consider the definitive account of the
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industry's battle with the regulator we
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hear people claiming that FDA is while
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David kler was trying to convince
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Congress behind the scenes another kler
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was at
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work Jerry wrer ran a large dietary
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supplement company was a very strong W
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character the FDA is going to limit
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potencies of vitamins which is what
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they've said the FDA is going to take
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herbs and make them drugs and he called
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together every leading manufacturer to
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come out to his Ranch in California
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which used to belong to Ray Croc of
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McDonald's okay so Jerry basically
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stands up before the group and says as
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this is the either the end of our of our
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industry or a new beginning and we have
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to defend our
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interests Jerry kastler would turn out
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to be a very effective lobbyist joining
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forces with powerful political friends
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because today we honored the wishes of
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100 million people consumers of dietary
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supplements friends like Senator Orin
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hatch of Utah the senator deined to be
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interviewed his state has seen as the
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global Center for dietary supplement
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manufacturing his son has lobbied for
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the industry and hatch himself his own
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shares in at least one supplement
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company he's never hidden the fact he's
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a Believer we know that the American
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people are not a bunch of cooks or a
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bunch of dummies and what the people
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want is a right to use products which
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have helped them for
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centuries the campaign
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worked Jerry Kesler
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said forget this law that's going to
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actually regulate we need a law that
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says uh you can't regulate these
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products and he named it the dietary
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supplement health and Education Act he
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came up with the name of it Jerry
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Kessler did a
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manufacturer the one concession the FDA
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did get was an agreement that
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manufacturers would not make unproven
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Health
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claims and so for example they can't say
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their products cure our arthritis or
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prevent heart disease but they can say
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they support things like bone density
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promote cardiovascular health what
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Congress did is basically said industry
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you go make the claims and if FDA has a
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problem with it FDA has to prove it's
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false or misleading so the horse is out
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of out of the barn FDA then has to go
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seiz the produ go into court and it has
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the burden 784 a bill to amend the
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federal Food Drug and cosmetic act to
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establish standards with respect to
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dietary supplements problems with the
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legislation would become apparent even
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before it passed the FDA was getting
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complaints about popular new weight loss
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supplements containing an ingredient
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called
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aedra manufactur has fought the FDA for
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more than a decade yesterday 23-year-old
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Steve Beckler became the first baseball
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player ever to die in it wasn't until a
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young major league pitcher died after
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taking a fedra that sales were halted
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called edra by then more than 160 deaths
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had been linked to the
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supplement it almost takes a sacrificial
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lamb to die of liver injury or some
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other injury before the Food and Drug
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Administration can take any action I am
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Dr
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Bowski thank thanks for being here Dr
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Herbert Bowski is an investigator with a
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liver Injury Network funded by the
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National Institutes of Health let me get
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a listen of your your lungs and then
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concerned about the harm supplements are
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causing and just just lie lie back there
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for this has been sort of the fastest
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growing kind of liver injury that we're
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observing in the drug induced liver
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Injury Network the frequency with which
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we see this has roughly tripled in the
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last 10 years about 7% of all the cases
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that we've enrolled into this network
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over the years were due to these in the
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last couple of years it's been around
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20% it's incredibly hard to quantify the
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current problem how much harm are
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supplements doing just yesterday I was
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talking to a patient who suffered a
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bleeding stroke into his brain after
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taking just one um workout supplement
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and the reason why we don't know is that
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there's no effective system to detect
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harm from
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supplements take what happened in Hawaii
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in the summer of 2013 there was an
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outbreak of liver problem Health
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officials would link to a diet and
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workout
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supplement we didn't know if it was
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something in you know the Hawaiian
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population or or some sort of
627
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contaminant or what exactly the problem
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was the state's only transplant center
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was overrun an initial cluster of seven
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patients grew to more than two dozen two
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of them sick enough to need new livers
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it was difficult it was stressful cuz
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people were calling up and they were
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continually referring new patients and
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um I don't have enough organs to give I
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I don't know how I could put all these
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patients on a transplant list and
638
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:09,599
possibly save all of them sad news
639
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,000
tonight from the family of a Maui woman
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the mother of seven who fell ill after
641
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taking diet pills the Department of
642
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Health reports 32 cases of liver damage
643
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o elite pro and health officials dietary
644
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,360
supplement oxy elite pro just two months
645
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before the outbreak the makers of oxy
646
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elite pro had been pressured to pull an
647
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earlier form a from the market following
648
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:34,720
years of complaints the new version
649
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included a compound called
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ageline now ageline is a normal
651
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:46,359
component of the baale tree and it's
652
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:49,240
been used as as a natural product by
653
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:52,839
naturopathic healers for
654
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:56,880
centuries usually fairly safely but they
655
00:27:52,839 --> 00:28:00,519
didn't use bail tree extract they bought
656
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,679
ageline from a Chinese drug company that
657
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:06,679
made ageline at least the company
658
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:10,360
claimed it was ageline and within a few
659
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months uh they began to observe patients
660
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with liver failure uh mostly in Hawaii
661
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but not
662
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entirely Cynthia novid is a chief petty
663
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officer with the US Navy based in San
664
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:28,240
Diego she turned to oxy elite pro to
665
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help pass Fitness tests
666
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,798
it helped keep my weight down it helped
667
00:28:31,159 --> 00:28:36,080
you know just give me that extra push
668
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:38,200
during the workout and I was liking it
669
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and know I would take
670
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,840
it but only halfway through the first
671
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:46,119
bottle Cynthia's eyes started turning
672
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:48,558
yellow her doctor had bad
673
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:53,038
news that's when he told
674
00:28:48,558 --> 00:28:56,398
me that your liver is shot pretty
675
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much I possibly need a liver
676
00:28:56,398 --> 00:29:02,359
transplant she would get a
677
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transplant the FDA has linked oxy Elite
678
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:07,439
to more than 70 cases of liver damage
679
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:10,558
the company declined to be interviewed
680
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,558
and denies any
681
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,640
responsibility doctors in Hawaii still
682
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,880
remember how slow the FDA was to act
683
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they say they followed all the
684
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directions on the agency's medwatch
685
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website they phoned several times but it
686
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wasn't until they approached the State
687
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Health authorities that the FDA they
688
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:33,278
finally called them back they told one
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of our liver doctors that you know they
690
00:29:33,278 --> 00:29:36,599
thought she was a prankster because she
691
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had sent in her you know private email
692
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:40,199
address and you know kept bugging them
693
00:29:38,919 --> 00:29:42,640
and you know they didn't think we were
694
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,960
real they weren't taking you seriously
695
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,840
no it would be nice if there was a
696
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,240
system that you know we could use and
697
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get some consistent results but the FDA
698
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says they do have a system that's what
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00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,360
medat is you know right but I don't know
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if they're overwhelmed but the way it
701
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:01,558
stands is there's you know we're not
702
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:05,558
getting a response as quick as we
703
00:30:01,558 --> 00:30:08,038
probably should be in Hawaii there were
704
00:30:05,558 --> 00:30:10,960
uh reports of a cluster of people who
705
00:30:08,038 --> 00:30:12,359
develop severe liver problems the doctor
706
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,919
in the case that we have spoken with
707
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:17,278
raises troubling questions repeatedly
708
00:30:14,919 --> 00:30:19,720
she says she and her colleagues tried to
709
00:30:17,278 --> 00:30:21,640
contact medwatch tried to report and
710
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,798
tried to get advice from the FDA as to
711
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,919
what to do and repeatedly she says they
712
00:30:23,798 --> 00:30:28,879
heard nothing back had you heard this
713
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:30,240
before no I can't deal with hear saying
714
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,799
speculation and I'm not going to
715
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,759
speculate what I can tell you is when
716
00:30:32,798 --> 00:30:36,480
the documents did come in the FDA that
717
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,879
alerted us to the problem in Hawaii we
718
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,519
were able to remove the product within a
719
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,799
month by that point there were 56 cases
720
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:44,798
of liver damage that had been reported
721
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and this was for a company that only 6
722
00:30:44,798 --> 00:30:49,000
months earlier had had another
723
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:51,640
formulation there removed what there
724
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,839
were there weren't 56 cases reported
725
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,559
until sometime after we had the product
726
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:59,240
removed we had the product removed with
727
00:30:55,558 --> 00:30:59,240
effectively about 20 cases
728
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Cynthia novida is one of more than a
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00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:05,119
hundred people who are now suing the
730
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:08,240
makers of oxy elite
731
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:11,879
pro a 23-year veteran with the Navy she
732
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,679
had hoped to get her 25-year service pin
733
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,519
that's not likely to happen
734
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:19,759
now you know I have to be able to travel
735
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:21,679
and can't do that now can't go on a ship
736
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,638
because they don't carry the meds that I
737
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:25,798
need
738
00:31:23,638 --> 00:31:28,079
continuously her doctors tell her the
739
00:31:25,798 --> 00:31:31,440
price of that one pill is that she'll
740
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:33,918
have to take 19 pills every day for the
741
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:37,080
rest of her
742
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:39,360
life the makers of oxy Elite deny all
743
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:42,319
claims against
744
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:45,359
them the allegations against USP Labs
745
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:47,000
and its operators but in November 2015
746
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,359
the justice department launched a
747
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,919
criminal case against the company and
748
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:53,839
arrested four of its Executives frud
749
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:56,559
charges Vigilant when it comes to the
750
00:31:53,839 --> 00:32:01,038
health and safety of the American public
751
00:31:56,558 --> 00:32:03,638
it's a Great Big Beautiful Day omega3 is
752
00:32:01,038 --> 00:32:06,398
essential for good health the promises
753
00:32:03,638 --> 00:32:07,879
are endless the minerals your kids need
754
00:32:06,398 --> 00:32:10,119
but even if what you buy in those
755
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,399
bottles is real critics contend there's
756
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:16,278
a bigger problem many supplements simply
757
00:32:13,398 --> 00:32:17,599
don't work what's worse they could be
758
00:32:16,278 --> 00:32:20,240
doing you
759
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:22,000
harm now supplements I get this question
760
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,079
all the time I only take four pills our
761
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,319
screens blare advice on how to get
762
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:27,720
health from a pill and today I'd like to
763
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,839
talk to you a little bit about
764
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,319
supplementation reputations have been
765
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:34,558
built on dispensing that advice that
766
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:37,158
everyone should be taking a multivitamin
767
00:32:34,558 --> 00:32:39,558
multimineral product as insurance
768
00:32:37,159 --> 00:32:42,820
against but amid all the hype what's
769
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often lost is the
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[Music]
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science when people walk into the
772
00:32:49,278 --> 00:32:53,599
dietary supplement or vitamin store um
773
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,759
they think that everything is just
774
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,038
perfectly
775
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:59,158
safe in addition to being a pediatri
776
00:32:57,038 --> 00:33:01,440
nutrition Paul offet is a best-selling
777
00:32:59,159 --> 00:33:05,000
author whose book do you believe in
778
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,960
magic questions are supplement habit so
779
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,880
I've got uh vitamins for children and
780
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,639
vitamins for adults the problem is is
781
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,000
that when you look on the the back you
782
00:33:10,638 --> 00:33:15,839
find that a number of these vitamins are
783
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,440
contained in uh in amounts that are much
784
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,278
greater than the recommended daily
785
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:23,558
allowance offet believes we simply take
786
00:33:20,278 --> 00:33:25,638
too many I think multivitamins don't
787
00:33:23,558 --> 00:33:27,798
hurt you which is to say vitamins at or
788
00:33:25,638 --> 00:33:29,240
around the recommend daily L for each of
789
00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:30,558
those vitamins I mean you need vitamins
790
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,839
to live the question is do you get
791
00:33:30,558 --> 00:33:33,359
enough in food and I think the answer to
792
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:35,199
that question is yes but now there are
793
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,959
studies done done showing if you use a
794
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,600
me take a mega vitamin you actually can
795
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,399
hurt yourself you actually can increase
796
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,719
your risk of cancer increase your risk
797
00:33:40,398 --> 00:33:44,359
of heart disease I think few people know
798
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,440
the risks they're taking and how do you
799
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:49,558
know what's too much you here's how you
800
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,558
know what's too much you shouldn't
801
00:33:49,558 --> 00:33:56,119
bypass the satiety level your stomach is
802
00:33:52,558 --> 00:33:59,440
only so big for a reason he illustrates
803
00:33:56,119 --> 00:34:00,918
the point with a 1,000 mg of vitamin C
804
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,200
that's one of these
805
00:34:00,919 --> 00:34:05,480
pills to get the same amount of the
806
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,878
vitamin from a food source you'd have to
807
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,918
eat between seven and eight entire
808
00:34:08,878 --> 00:34:12,719
cantaloupes no you're not meant to eat
809
00:34:10,918 --> 00:34:16,000
eight cantaloupes it's a dangerous thing
810
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:18,519
to do to go against what nature intends
811
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,079
it's even worse with vitamin E he
812
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:23,639
says this capsule has a th000
813
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:26,399
international units you can also find
814
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,320
vitamin E in almonds but to get the same
815
00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:31,719
1,000 units you'd have to eat a lot of
816
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,440
almonds
817
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,759
1,670 to be precise scientific Studies
818
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,679
have shown that that much vitamin E can
819
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,280
be
820
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,878
dangerous if you take large quantities
821
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,879
of vitamin E as a supplement you clearly
822
00:34:43,878 --> 00:34:48,000
and definitively increase your risk of
823
00:34:45,878 --> 00:34:50,118
prostate cancer and in a better world in
824
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,878
a regulated world where vitamin E a
825
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:54,119
regulated product it should have a
826
00:34:51,878 --> 00:34:57,400
blackbox warning on it that says just
827
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:59,358
that vitamins E and C are an
828
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,880
antioxidants and for years we've been
829
00:34:59,358 --> 00:35:04,880
told to take them because antioxidants
830
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:08,160
are the mortal enemy of free radicals
831
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,160
cells linked to cancer and other
832
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:12,838
diseases I mean if you look at people
833
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:14,358
for example who eat diets rich in fruits
834
00:35:12,838 --> 00:35:17,279
rich in vegetables they contain
835
00:35:14,358 --> 00:35:18,679
antioxidants they do seem to live longer
836
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,640
and have lesser rates of cancer and
837
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,440
heart disease so the thinking was great
838
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:25,039
okay now we figured out a way to make
839
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,400
ourselves healthier now let's let's
840
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,119
let's double down and take even larger
841
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,880
quantities of antioxidants and that's
842
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,880
where we cross the line and now study
843
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,880
after study shows that in fact it's true
844
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,240
you can take too much in the way of
845
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,880
antioxidants in response to the studies
846
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,159
in 2013 one of the world's most
847
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,320
important scientific journals published
848
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,960
an
849
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,559
editorial enough is enough argued the
850
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,119
case is closed supplementing the diet of
851
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:52,799
well-nourished adults with most
852
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:56,559
supplements has no clear benefit and
853
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,680
might even be harmful Dr alisso yr was
854
00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:01,440
the lead
855
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:04,199
author this might be the some of the
856
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,920
best well studied compounds in in the
857
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:10,879
history of mankind in terms of of uh
858
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:13,559
clinical trials uh there there well over
859
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,039
a couple hundred uh thousand people that
860
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,759
have participated in in clinical trial
861
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:20,920
so the conclusions that we have for
862
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:24,760
antioxidant vitamins I think are very
863
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,358
strong vitamin D is not an antioxidant
864
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,760
but it is one of the top selling
865
00:36:26,358 --> 00:36:30,519
vitamins in
866
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,520
America pushed with information that's
867
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,119
often confusing vitamin D to pick one
868
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:36,599
vitamin to push to everybody to think
869
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:39,400
about again in their lives it's vitamin
870
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:42,119
D it's true we do all need some vitamin
871
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:45,358
D The Institute of medicine recommends
872
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:48,079
adults get 600 international units a day
873
00:36:45,358 --> 00:36:51,239
in vitamin D3 but look at the doses some
874
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:54,119
others are suggested recomended 5,000
875
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,719
IUS daily 5,000 I tends to be perfect
876
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,079
when people are initially really on one
877
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,639
website I answered just three questions
878
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:03,400
my age my height and my weight and I was
879
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:07,719
told I needed 10,000 international units
880
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:11,240
a day 16 times the iom's
881
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:15,039
recommendation when I hear that various
882
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:18,279
groups are recommending 10,000 IUS a day
883
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:23,159
or even 5,000 IUS a day
884
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:28,359
routinely I really want to say show me
885
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:30,879
the data show me the evidence
886
00:37:28,358 --> 00:37:33,679
evidence is what Dr Joanne Manson is
887
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:37,079
accumulating here she's collected blood
888
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:39,838
samples from over 25,000 people the
889
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:43,000
vital trial is to our knowledge the
890
00:37:39,838 --> 00:37:46,679
largest randomized clinical trial of
891
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,760
vitamin D supplementation in the world
892
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:50,480
Manson is comparing disease rates
893
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,400
between those who take Vitamin D
894
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,440
supplements and those who don't final
895
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,039
results won't be known until
896
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,838
2017 but but already she has
897
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:04,279
concerns many people are taking too much
898
00:38:01,838 --> 00:38:08,400
uh vitamin D The Institute of medicine
899
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:12,280
also recommended avoiding getting above
900
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:15,280
4,000 IUS daily because that could be
901
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,800
associated with Adverse Events calcium
902
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,720
in the urine which can be associated
903
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:25,200
with kidney stones high blood calcium
904
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:28,358
calcium um in in the arteries vascular
905
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:30,960
calcification as well soft tissue
906
00:38:28,358 --> 00:38:33,358
calcification and there are now studies
907
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,599
that show a U-shaped curve that those
908
00:38:33,358 --> 00:38:40,000
who have high as well as low blood
909
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:42,680
levels of vitamin D have higher risks of
910
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,800
cardiovascular disease as well as all
911
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:49,799
cause mortality so we can't assume that
912
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,240
more is necessarily
913
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,200
better the third most widely used
914
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,239
supplement in America is fish oil the
915
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:59,279
Omega-3s contained in the oil are
916
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,000
believed by many to be essential for
917
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,640
good
918
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,800
health DHA omega-3 in particular is is
919
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:07,920
extremely
920
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,720
important it also helps prevent disease
921
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,519
according to the man who heads one of
922
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,439
the largest fish oil trade associations
923
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,519
it's different from them there's
924
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,159
certainly ample evidence that it helps
925
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:20,199
things like reducing blood pressure
926
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:23,358
reducing your risk of coronary
927
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:26,239
death but the science behind fish oil is
928
00:39:23,358 --> 00:39:28,880
a little more complicated than that so
929
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,559
these are two capsules this is a FDA
930
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,519
approved product this is Dr Preston
931
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,679
Mason is a Harvard University researcher
932
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:37,719
here he's comparing prescription quality
933
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:40,199
fish oil to the oil found in
934
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,439
over-the-counter supplements and uh give
935
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,439
it a
936
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:48,400
smell smells a little bit fishy but not
937
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:50,239
not bad right smells you're going to
938
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,838
have always some
939
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,519
smell one of the issues with fish oil is
940
00:39:52,838 --> 00:39:58,440
it's delicate it's extracted as a
941
00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:00,400
byproduct from oil fish like anchovies
942
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,280
as the fish get crushed the oil is
943
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:07,280
exposed to oxygen and it doesn't take
944
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,280
much oxygen to turn the oil
945
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:12,119
rancid this is a common supplement for
946
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,838
fish
947
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:17,800
oil see what that smells
948
00:40:15,838 --> 00:40:21,400
like
949
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,200
oh what that doesn't smell good that's
950
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,559
that smells like it's going bad yeah
951
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,598
right yeah it's a very strong fishy
952
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,639
smell
953
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:32,119
if it was simply an odor issue that
954
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:34,639
would be one thing but oxidized oil
955
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:37,318
contains oxidized lipids one of the
956
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:40,639
building blocks of cells we've long
957
00:40:37,318 --> 00:40:43,759
known that lipids when oxidized can be
958
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:45,960
harmful so oxidized lipid triggers
959
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,680
inflammatory responses within our body
960
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,318
particularly in our cells and uh if we
961
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:53,559
ingest oxidized lipid we can trigger
962
00:40:51,318 --> 00:40:55,318
these inflammatory changes that can lead
963
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,838
to things like cardiovascular
964
00:40:55,318 --> 00:40:58,960
disease
965
00:40:56,838 --> 00:41:01,440
recently Mason published his own study
966
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,800
of fish oil supplements the results were
967
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,280
consistent with other studies showing
968
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,760
high levels of
969
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,319
oxidation one in New Zealand found 83%
970
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,079
of fish oils tested failed to meet the
971
00:41:11,318 --> 00:41:16,079
industry's own
972
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:18,000
standard it was shocking to see such a
973
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,119
high proportion of products that that
974
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,639
had high oxidation levels and so we went
975
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:24,400
and and actually bought 47 products from
976
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:27,318
the New Zealand market and had them
977
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,720
tested at multiple labs and we did not
978
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:31,239
see that same effect well what was the
979
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,838
percentage of that you discovered that
980
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,199
were not in compliance with your
981
00:41:32,838 --> 00:41:38,119
standards uh it was it was around 20%
982
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:40,279
would you agree that 20% is still
983
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:42,039
problematic um well from a consumer's
984
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,200
point of view I mean if if it's truly
985
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:48,920
20% Then then yeah we would like to see
986
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:50,879
those um those 20% uh improved but
987
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,079
improving the quality won't address the
988
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,920
other issue with fish oil the growing
989
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:58,119
questions about whether it prevents
990
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,039
disease to years ago epidemiologist Dr
991
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,400
Andrew Gray compiled all the best
992
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:04,639
studies on fish oil as reported in the
993
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,920
world's most prestigious scientific
994
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:09,598
journals I think for cardiovascular
995
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,039
disease one has to say there is no
996
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:15,119
compelling evidence that taking fish
997
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:18,838
oils protects against a first heart
998
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:22,200
attack or a second heart attack and so
999
00:42:18,838 --> 00:42:25,480
people who are advised to do that or are
1000
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:27,078
doing it are are are wasting their time
1001
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,519
and the
1002
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:31,880
money but the fish oil industry
1003
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:35,199
continues to insist there is a benefit
1004
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,800
particularly for preventing heart
1005
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:40,558
attacks we asked their spokesman to send
1006
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,318
us his best evidence which included some
1007
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:46,640
of the same studies gray had cited and
1008
00:42:43,318 --> 00:42:48,279
didn't seem to support his case this one
1009
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,719
says it doesn't appear to reduce sudden
1010
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:54,880
cardiac death the next one insufficient
1011
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:56,719
evidence jamama 2012 overall omega-3
1012
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,119
supplementation was not a associated
1013
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,558
with a lower risk of all cause mortality
1014
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,880
another journal the evidence is not
1015
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:05,040
clear cut and any benefits are almost
1016
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,599
certainly not as great as previously
1017
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:09,079
believed so that doesn't seem to be
1018
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,838
suggesting there's an overwhelming
1019
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:13,519
amount of evidence yeah well I I think
1020
00:43:11,838 --> 00:43:15,480
what you're looking at are the abstracts
1021
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:16,800
but the conclusions are the conclusions
1022
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,400
well but but again those papers are
1023
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,160
looking at very large areas of
1024
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,400
cardiovascular disease and and um you
1025
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:27,078
know I think it's it's hard to argue
1026
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,240
that Omega-3s aren't important for how
1027
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:31,160
your heart
1028
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:34,159
functions many researchers agree if you
1029
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:36,358
get them from eating actual fish the
1030
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,679
problem is science still hasn't proven
1031
00:43:36,358 --> 00:43:39,799
its true for
1032
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:42,358
supplements we would think that
1033
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,039
something that's natural That's
1034
00:43:42,358 --> 00:43:47,358
essential to normal cell function and
1035
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:50,318
body function would have clinical
1036
00:43:47,358 --> 00:43:51,880
benefits uh it just has to be proven but
1037
00:43:50,318 --> 00:43:55,800
in the meantime there's certainly been a
1038
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,079
lot of promotion suggesting a benefit in
1039
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,480
every everything from Alzheimer's
1040
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:02,640
disease to cardiovascular disease but we
1041
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,199
still need the strong clinical trials to
1042
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:07,519
validate those
1043
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:09,759
hypothesis the same can be said about
1044
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:11,719
virtually every product the supplement
1045
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,680
industry sells essal vitamins and
1046
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,078
minerals to help keep you we wanted to
1047
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:17,358
discuss the issues with some of the
1048
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:21,039
industry's most prominent Advocates so
1049
00:44:17,358 --> 00:44:24,519
many questions so many concerns Dr in
1050
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:27,039
addition it's loaded with beneficial Dr
1051
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,920
Joseph vitamin D would be an example of
1052
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:32,079
that and Dr Andrew wild all decline to
1053
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,079
be
1054
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,720
interviewed while the debate continues
1055
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:43,480
over whether supplements actually work
1056
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,759
in rural G onario there is a botanist
1057
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,039
who may have found an answer to that
1058
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,359
other Troublesome question what's
1059
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:52,119
actually in the pills and potions that
1060
00:44:50,358 --> 00:44:55,000
we
1061
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:57,440
take Dr Steven newmaster is part of a
1062
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:01,159
worldwide effort to collect and catalog
1063
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,519
Nature's wide array of DNA he believes
1064
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:06,440
in the power of nature to heal I buy and
1065
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:08,519
use Natural Health
1066
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,880
Products I believe in them I've used
1067
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,880
them all my life um used them with my
1068
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,720
family we have that anecdotal evidence
1069
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:19,079
that you have some ailment and you take
1070
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:22,039
a whatever the the remedy is and it's
1071
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:24,160
dealt with so it's an irony that GF
1072
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:26,719
University was responsible for one of
1073
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:28,239
the latest studies documenting problems
1074
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,919
with supplement
1075
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:35,239
quality in 2012 new master and his team
1076
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,079
randomly selected 44 herbal Products off
1077
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,558
the shelves in Canada and the US and
1078
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:42,359
started comparing them to the plant DNA
1079
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,640
in their datab
1080
00:45:42,358 --> 00:45:48,799
bank and we looked at the results I was
1081
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:50,759
fairly astounded like wow 60% of the
1082
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,960
products contained ingredients not
1083
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,920
listed on their labels even more
1084
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,318
astonishingly one in three proved to be
1085
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,440
outright
1086
00:45:57,318 --> 00:46:02,800
fakes if I put my consumer hat on that
1087
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,639
pissed me off because I go in to buy a
1088
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,039
product that I believe in that I care
1089
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:08,440
about and I pay a lot of money for it's
1090
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:11,358
not even in the bottle are you kidding
1091
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,519
me unlike similar studies in the past
1092
00:46:11,358 --> 00:46:16,159
this one got noticed front page of the
1093
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:18,318
health section in the New York Times an
1094
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:21,039
article that was read by among others
1095
00:46:18,318 --> 00:46:23,719
New York's attorney general last
1096
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:25,358
December my office purchased a variety
1097
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,159
of storebrand herbal supplements from
1098
00:46:25,358 --> 00:46:30,078
stores in different parts of New York
1099
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,358
State Eric Schneiderman ordered up his
1100
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,480
own test of herbal supplements which
1101
00:46:32,358 --> 00:46:37,759
produced even worse results and found
1102
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:40,440
that only 21% of the products we tested
1103
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,880
uh had in fact had DNA evidence that
1104
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,559
they contained the product listed on the
1105
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label we uh found the results to be
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shocking we purchased products from four
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major chains Walmart Walgreens Target
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and GNC we found asparagus DNA house
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plant DNA rice and other things but not
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the product that was on the labels and
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it seemed that there was just a massive
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fraud going on the Attorney General
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demanded the company stop selling the
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products at first the industry
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questioned the methodology but then GNC
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the largest of the supplement retailers
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agreed to use DNA barcoding to
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authenticate its
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products the industry spokesman however
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still isn't convinced Daniel fabricant
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we're working with the Attorney
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General's office so they understand more
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about the industry and we understand
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more of their concerns I think that
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that's important that we work together
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do you accept the findings that they
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published well I haven't been able to
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review the findings no because they they
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say because it's an act of Investigation
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but what they have told you do you
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accept them without seeing the science
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I'm a scientist first and foremost I
1133
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can't really comment on data I haven't
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seen so is that a yes or a no that's a
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no you say you haven't seen the actual
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study from from the attorney general so
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you can't actually comment but you have
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seen the study from from the guf
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University univers that was published uh
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a year 2013 I've seen that and you know
1141
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and what do you make of that I mean
1142
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fairly similar finding well I think some
1143
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there's same challenges though is the
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accreditation of the lab there's no
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mention of reference materials reference
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materials are critical when you're doing
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DNA analysis um you know not knowing how
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you established a
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baseline what are you
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comparing new Master's comparison was to
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that library of DNA he an international
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scientists have been
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collecting we've done this now thousands
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actually tens of thousands of times for
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products and the process works and it
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works really well today 14 States
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Attorneys General have come together to
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demand
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change not only from the industry but
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from the FDA and
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lawmakers we think that there's
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responsibility in Congress and there's
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responsibility at the agency level and
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we're just going to keep pressing until
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we can get them to take action thank
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than you since that interview Federal
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prosecutors and Regulators announced
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they've taken action against over a 100
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companies we see a number of serious
1170
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issues with dietary supplements and
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products falsely marketed as dietary
1172
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supplements there are now signs that at
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least some in the industry are adopting
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new technology to ensure accurate
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labeling we have implemented the use of
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DNA bar code technology here in our
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products I think it is a game Chang
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right it's new and uh with with newness
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comes um you know first some early
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adopters Nature's Way is among those
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leading the way the manufacturer is one
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of several who have now partnered with
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the Canadian scientists in A Renewed
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effort to put quality
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first we made contact with him and
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started a relationship which included um
1187
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testing many of our of our herbal
1188
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dietary ingredients for identity
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right now testing is done offsite at the
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University of G and Dr new master is
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working on some technology that could
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possibly be implemented in a you know in
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a commercial manner take some of the
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sample and simply put it into this Pro
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new master believes the partnership is
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just the
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beginning and loaded into the machine
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press go he's refined his barcoding
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technology further making it cheaper and
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easier to use you can start testing
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further back in the supply chain uh what
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about that batch that came in it's a
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huge vat and it's powder the DNA is
1204
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excellent in that it's easy it's cheap
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it could be tested at where it's being
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transported and the supplier is doing
1207
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,118
trading and buying it could be tested at
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the producer the farmer it could be
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tested all the way along and I think
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that's an appropriate way to solve the
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problem but that still leaves the
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question of what if any of this stuff
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actually works we're using the herb
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combined with the standardized extract
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the industry is quick to criticize
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studies that challenge their
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products but it hasn't produced large
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peer-reviewed studies of its own with
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clinical trials where supplements are
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tested against
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placebos the crazy thing about the
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dietary supplement world is there are
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none of those studies and the studies
1224
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that are done say the stuff doesn't
1225
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work there is new science out there all
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the time
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consumers are going to continue to take
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supplements because they derive a
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benefit over half the country every day
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takes a supplement safely and
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effectively we love the notion of a
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magic pill with something that makes it
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all better it's just too
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seductive but it is a pill just like any
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other pill the only difference is it's
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an unregulated pill and you don't know
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what's in
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it
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