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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:06,599 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,638 tonight on Frontline a multi-billion 3 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:10,399 dollar a year industry the debate over 4 00:00:08,638 --> 00:00:12,599 supplements how could it be that you can 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,839 sell something without any evidence that 6 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:16,879 it's safe or effective they say their 7 00:00:14,839 --> 00:00:19,359 products will make you healthier 8 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:20,759 consumers derive a benefit over half the 9 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:22,760 country every day takes a supplement 10 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,080 safely and effectively but critics say 11 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,480 that many have fraudulent claims could 12 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:30,479 be dangerous and should be regulated it 13 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,239 almost takes a sacrificial lamb to die 14 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,000 before the Food and Drug Administration 15 00:00:32,238 --> 00:00:36,238 can take any action correspondent 16 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,119 Jillian Finlay 17 00:00:36,238 --> 00:00:42,399 investigates oh that doesn't smell good 18 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:44,878 very strong fishy smell supplements and 19 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:45,520 safety a Frontline New York Times 20 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:51,399 special 21 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:53,559 22 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:55,879 report this is a product that was 23 00:00:53,558 --> 00:00:57,399 formulated for people who are under 24 00:00:55,878 --> 00:00:58,960 severe this is an herb that would be 25 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:00,439 great for older individuals that are 26 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,160 concerned about 27 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:06,118 it's estimated that half of all 28 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:08,920 Americans take a health supplement every 29 00:01:06,118 --> 00:01:11,959 day that one is going to be amazing for 30 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:15,920 supporting encapsulates the nutrients in 31 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:19,079 a non-GMO soy antio it's a 30 plus 32 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:22,359 billion doll industry I will guarantee 33 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:25,959 you that this will change your reality 34 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:28,599 within 3 to 5 days companies range from 35 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:33,118 Big Pharma to M and 36 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:35,118 Pop I started in my kitchen making them 37 00:01:33,118 --> 00:01:37,599 by hand back in 38 00:01:35,118 --> 00:01:40,239 the80s I would order the ingredients I 39 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:43,239 would order the capsules and with a 40 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:45,560 plate of a 100 capsules I would weigh 41 00:01:43,239 --> 00:01:48,959 out and fill them up and you have a 42 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:51,478 bottle of 100 capsules of any particular 43 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:54,078 vitamin you wanted do you have 44 00:01:51,478 --> 00:01:57,519 background in Pharmacology or medicine 45 00:01:54,078 --> 00:02:00,078 or any expertise in this area I did some 46 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:02,879 college but most of my time was spent in 47 00:02:00,078 --> 00:02:04,679 the medical libraries at Stony Brook so 48 00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:07,759 you sort of were self-taught then were 49 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,879 you selftaught correct 50 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:12,159 yes Candace trip called her company 51 00:02:10,878 --> 00:02:14,639 Purity 52 00:02:12,159 --> 00:02:18,400 first she says she was helped by her 53 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:21,479 then husband Terren Dulan a 54 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,680 chiropractor and what was his academic 55 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:25,840 background or or expertise in this area 56 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,319 he was a chemist he was a chemist in 57 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,400 college and then he went on to 58 00:02:27,318 --> 00:02:32,199 chiropractic school from Mod beginning 59 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,800 she says she grew the business into a 60 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:37,560 half a million doll a year Enterprise 61 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:40,400 selling on the web in stores and through 62 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,959 local Alternative healthc Care 63 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,439 Providers Purity first is a great name 64 00:02:42,959 --> 00:02:45,959 and I said Gee how can you go wrong it's 65 00:02:44,439 --> 00:02:47,719 what you would imagine that you would 66 00:02:45,959 --> 00:02:50,280 want in every single vitamin that it's 67 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:50,280 absolutely 68 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,840 pure Vinnie Gro was an early Purity 69 00:02:53,800 --> 00:03:00,120 first customer the vitamins became part 70 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,598 of his daily Quest For Better Health I 71 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,480 felt fine and of course you know I'm 72 00:03:01,598 --> 00:03:06,158 running every day I'm feeling great up 73 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:09,399 until the October November December time 74 00:03:06,158 --> 00:03:12,158 frame of 2012 where I had some very 75 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,158 unusual 76 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:17,199 symptoms it started with unexplained 77 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,280 back pain that soon became 78 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:21,598 debilitating he then started hearing 79 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,120 from other Purity first customers with 80 00:03:21,598 --> 00:03:27,598 troubling symptoms of their 81 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,280 own I'm hearing stories my daughter is 82 00:03:27,598 --> 00:03:30,560 an honor student she's on the swim team 83 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,039 but she's been thrown out of school for 84 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:36,719 being overly aggressive I'm talking to a 85 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:40,000 woman who had lost uh her position in a 86 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:41,560 choir because her voice had changed I'm 87 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,598 talking to another woman who said I've 88 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,959 got these incredible bleeding scales on 89 00:03:43,598 --> 00:03:49,598 my head and I can't go to work they were 90 00:03:46,959 --> 00:03:52,360 all taking the same vitamins recommended 91 00:03:49,598 --> 00:03:55,280 they say by Terren Duan the chiropractor 92 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:57,560 now a naturopath Duan declined to be 93 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,079 interviewed and denies any 94 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,438 responsibility Terry had come to me in 95 00:04:00,079 --> 00:04:04,280 January and asked me if I thought 96 00:04:02,438 --> 00:04:06,000 anything was wrong because he said there 97 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,759 was some blood tests coming back that 98 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:12,039 was funky at that 99 00:04:08,759 --> 00:04:13,798 point we had just had Hurricane Sandy 100 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:17,279 come 101 00:04:13,799 --> 00:04:19,680 through and a lot of people were getting 102 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:23,079 sick after they were in their basements 103 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:26,160 cleaning up water and that's why he had 104 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:28,039 recommended people go see um this other 105 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,639 doctor right and they started going to 106 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:34,840 see doctor's faith we had an examination 107 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:36,759 and he said to me what is it that all of 108 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,478 you who've come to me in the past month 109 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:44,120 and a half have one commonality you've 110 00:04:39,478 --> 00:04:47,639 all taken Purity first b50 111 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,600 vitamins it's estimated there are 85,000 112 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:51,600 dietary supplements for sale in the 113 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,320 United States today right here I have 114 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:57,039 our liposomal D this is our bopa this is 115 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:58,360 an herb that would be great for older 116 00:04:57,038 --> 00:05:00,519 individuals that are the essential 117 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,038 nutrients like chromium with so many 118 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:05,198 pictures and promises you might assume 119 00:05:03,038 --> 00:05:08,079 that some government agency has approved 120 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:14,080 them before allowing them onto the 121 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:16,918 market the FDA does not do any review of 122 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:19,399 dietary supplements before they come 123 00:05:16,918 --> 00:05:23,000 onto the market and I think that all 124 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:25,318 consumers need to understand this no 125 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,279 testing no obligation to provide any 126 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:31,280 evidence a product is effective or even 127 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,038 safe the one thing manufacturers do have 128 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:36,719 to show is that they follow good 129 00:05:33,038 --> 00:05:39,439 manufacturing practices the FDA conducts 130 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,880 inspections for that but it's limited by 131 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:44,719 resources and by 132 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:48,279 information we actually don't know the 133 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,479 total number of Manufacturers that we 134 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:54,198 need to be able to inspect because there 135 00:05:50,478 --> 00:05:57,478 is no formal registration system that is 136 00:05:54,199 --> 00:06:00,038 required of um um manufacturers that 137 00:05:57,478 --> 00:06:03,599 make dietary supplements and so we do 138 00:06:00,038 --> 00:06:06,360 inspections of the ones that we know 139 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,360 about the FDA did know about a 140 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,520 supplement manufacturer that used to 141 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,598 operate here in 2012 and again in the 142 00:06:11,519 --> 00:06:15,719 spring of 143 00:06:12,598 --> 00:06:18,038 2013 Mira Health Products was cited by 144 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,120 FDA inspectors for violating 145 00:06:18,038 --> 00:06:25,680 manufacturing codes among the products 146 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:28,840 mea produced Candace stps Purity first 147 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:33,478 vitamins I had a lot of faith in Mirror 148 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:35,959 because he was more of a smaller scale 149 00:06:33,478 --> 00:06:39,279 manufacturer he wasn't one of these big 150 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:43,478 pharmaceutical company that 151 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:46,439 just didn't really make you warm and 152 00:06:43,478 --> 00:06:48,959 fuzzy well what did you do to try to 153 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:50,680 verify that this was a reputable company 154 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:53,279 that would make the product that you 155 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,959 wanted um they're supposed to test the 156 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,679 product and give you an analysis at the 157 00:06:55,959 --> 00:07:01,598 end that what is in the capsule is what 158 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:04,759 they've tested and the certificate is 159 00:07:01,598 --> 00:07:06,878 supposed to be certified and this is 160 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:09,160 what your product is and did they give 161 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:12,360 you those certificates I believe yes 162 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:15,840 they did they did they gave us those and 163 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:19,598 there didn't seem to be a problem but by 164 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:21,799 2013 there was a problem Dr Kenna spaith 165 00:07:19,598 --> 00:07:23,959 who specializes in environmental health 166 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,960 is a man those pury first customers 167 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:28,918 turned to to investigate their symptoms 168 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:30,000 he arranged for the b50 vitamins to be 169 00:07:28,918 --> 00:07:32,240 tested 170 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,720 and the results were a shock the 171 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:38,240 capsules were laced with two anabolic 172 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:41,479 steroids Joe quailer Candace Trip's 173 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:44,079 current husband took it up with mir's 174 00:07:41,478 --> 00:07:45,758 owner I called Mike and said pretty much 175 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:48,639 what could have 176 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:52,879 happened and you know he was making the 177 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:55,400 M enhancement pills and he said Joe he 178 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:57,479 said if they found any type of steroids 179 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:59,758 in there the only thing I could possibly 180 00:07:57,478 --> 00:08:02,719 think is maybe the mixer was not cleaned 181 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:04,400 enough you know you go to by now Purity 182 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,479 first customers had started hiring 183 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:09,918 lawyers and sharing their 184 00:08:06,478 --> 00:08:13,000 stories uh change in the voice change in 185 00:08:09,918 --> 00:08:15,959 the sexual organs hair growth on a young 186 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,759 lady was one of our clients basically 187 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:23,158 developing mustache beard uh the female 188 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:25,639 sexual organs taking on a male 189 00:08:23,158 --> 00:08:26,918 configuration for The Men Who ingested 190 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:27,840 these things they developed what's 191 00:08:26,918 --> 00:08:32,319 called 192 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:35,278 gynecomastia uh you end up with male 193 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:37,360 breasts it would take the FDA nearly 6 194 00:08:35,278 --> 00:08:40,799 months to get the Purity first vitamins 195 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:43,158 off the market a response Dr spai calls 196 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:45,000 glacial he declined to be interviewed on 197 00:08:43,158 --> 00:08:47,958 camera but he shared email exchanges 198 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 with us detailing his efforts to get the 199 00:08:47,958 --> 00:08:52,399 FDA to 200 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,278 act space says he suspected 201 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:57,799 contamination but his first inquiry went 202 00:08:55,278 --> 00:08:59,600 unanswered when he emailed again asking 203 00:08:57,799 --> 00:09:02,199 if the lack of response was was a lack 204 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:05,560 of Interest he was referred to the fda's 205 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:08,040 hotline for adverse reactions called 206 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,319 medwatch spaith had tried the line been 207 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:12,039 transferred and put on hold before being 208 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,200 disconnected 209 00:09:12,039 --> 00:09:17,159 twice 5 weeks later he was still 210 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,680 frustrated will you tell me what your 211 00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:23,559 plans are he wrote I have 20 very 212 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:25,919 worried patients and little to offer 213 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,719 them among the officials spaith was 214 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:30,559 writing to was Daniel fabricant then 215 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,399 head of the the fda's division of 216 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,000 dietary 217 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:36,759 supplements we took that information um 218 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,278 while it was helpful it didn't make the 219 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:40,559 whole case we had to make the case at 220 00:09:38,278 --> 00:09:42,078 FDA and we did uh and remove the product 221 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,719 successfully one of his biggest 222 00:09:42,078 --> 00:09:45,599 complaints is is the amount of time it 223 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,759 took just to get somebody to call him 224 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,560 back he says one of the operators she 225 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:52,879 acted as if I was telling her that 226 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,639 aliens put messages in my Cheerios now 227 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:58,240 that doesn't suggest that you've got a 228 00:09:54,639 --> 00:10:00,039 particularly robust system in place to 229 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,720 allow people to report problems when 230 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:03,519 they happen right well I can assure you 231 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,759 the government worked very quickly the 232 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:08,159 agency is acting to remove the product 233 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:11,278 across the board across the country so 234 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:13,679 it's a bit more of a heavier scientific 235 00:10:11,278 --> 00:10:15,200 lift than just a doctor having an 236 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,559 Intuition or a feeling about something 237 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:21,399 we had to build evidence Court ready 238 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:23,759 evidence to take away somebody's product 239 00:10:21,399 --> 00:10:25,200 somebody's manufacturing operation and 240 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:27,240 that's exactly what we did and doing 241 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,720 that in 6 months the team at the FDA 242 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,519 worked diligently and worked quickly to 243 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,879 do that which was a quite a successful 244 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:36,120 accomplishment two women from the FDA 245 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:38,240 came in and they were speaking with us 246 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,759 about how there seems to be a problem 247 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,799 with one of our products when we asked 248 00:10:40,759 --> 00:10:46,078 which product they said oh that didn't 249 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:47,879 matter yet okay do you want us to stop 250 00:10:46,078 --> 00:10:50,278 selling the product no you don't have to 251 00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:52,720 stop selling the product nobody died 252 00:10:50,278 --> 00:10:55,240 they said nobody died those were their 253 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,360 words their words were nobody died you 254 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,399 don't have to pull the product if there 255 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,519 was any concern at all what why didn't 256 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:04,519 you just pull it from the market I mean 257 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:06,759 why did you not do it yourself great 258 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:10,720 question their response to 259 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:14,078 me um was people call the FDA all the 260 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:18,000 times to report minor 261 00:11:14,078 --> 00:11:20,719 things so don't worry about it the FDA 262 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,759 strongly denies those things were said 263 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:26,040 some vitamins manufactured here in Long 264 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:28,600 Island are triggering recently issued 265 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:30,838 stero in the end Purity first withdrew 266 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:34,000 the V under 267 00:11:30,839 --> 00:11:36,440 pressure ofor miror was forced out of 268 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,120 business by the FDA nobody from the 269 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:42,720 company would speak to us 36 people are 270 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,000 now suing the companies and no one knows 271 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,320 how many people in total may have been 272 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,799 harmed SPI had brought up that he was 273 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,480 looking for a needle on a Hy for Vin 274 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:54,838 Grau and his lawyer it was a sobering 275 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:57,639 look into a troubled World dollar I was 276 00:11:54,839 --> 00:11:59,880 very concerned and then I realized that 277 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:02,639 this whole industry needs 278 00:11:59,879 --> 00:12:04,799 change and it and how much danger we're 279 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:06,320 all in not just from Purity first likely 280 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:08,519 but from others that can put anything 281 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,480 into these little bottles and and put a 282 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:15,078 seal and a label on 283 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:17,199 it in 2013 the Children's Hospital of 284 00:12:15,078 --> 00:12:19,559 Philadelphia had had 285 00:12:17,198 --> 00:12:21,039 enough worried about the number and 286 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,319 quality of the supplements their 287 00:12:21,039 --> 00:12:27,240 patients were arriving with Hospital 288 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,240 pharmacists decided to challenge 289 00:12:27,879 --> 00:12:31,799 manufacturers families are showing up 290 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:34,240 literally with shopping bags full of 291 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,719 dietary supplements regulatory issues in 292 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,000 the United States are that you have to 293 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,160 if a patient brings a medication into a 294 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,879 hospital we have to as pharmacist verify 295 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:44,319 that this is a quality product it is 296 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:45,759 what it says it is it's labeled 297 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,480 appropriately it's being dosed 298 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:50,519 appropriately and so 299 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,120 on we got fed up we took a step back and 300 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:54,000 we said okay we're going to ask these 301 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,679 companies to at least meet a labeling 302 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,240 standard they have to send us something 303 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,359 called a certificate of analysis which 304 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,320 means they've had their product analyzed 305 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,399 by an independent party that says that 306 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,278 what's on the labels what's in the 307 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:06,519 bottle 90% of the companies never 308 00:13:04,278 --> 00:13:09,000 responded and of the 10% that responded 309 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:11,120 of the that 10% often they would send us 310 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,919 certificates of analysis where what was 311 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,039 on the label wasn't even close to what 312 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:16,120 was in the bottle and these were the 313 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:18,759 ones who responded to us which made us 314 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:22,039 fearful of an industry that we couldn't 315 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:25,439 trust for example this is a aquous 316 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:27,319 vitamin D drop so we use vitamin D in um 317 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,360 premature infants it says it should have 318 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,360 400 international units 319 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:35,159 per 1 ml of solution however it tells us 320 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,120 that the results are that it's 213% of 321 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:39,559 the labeled value so it's more than 322 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,600 double what it says that it is so if 323 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,039 we're dosing premature infants who need 324 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,600 very tiny doses of this drug we're now 325 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:47,039 potentially giving them double what they 326 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,360 should get and could really put them at 327 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:52,599 risk for 328 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:55,079 toxicity in the end only 35 supplements 329 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,320 met the hospital 330 00:13:55,078 --> 00:13:59,439 standards I come away very worried and 331 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,920 dismayed 332 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,000 I'm worried mostly about what um the 333 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,319 American public is being exposed to 334 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,519 because it's 335 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,000 essentially a complete unknown when 336 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:10,600 you're buying a dietary supplement 337 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:14,240 unless you have some proof of what's in 338 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,240 that product it could be 339 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:19,600 anything at the New York Botanical 340 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,680 Gardens you can find many of the herbs 341 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:26,040 We Buy in bottles in their natural 342 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:27,879 state this is black kohos commonly 343 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:30,679 recommended to women to treat symptoms 344 00:14:27,879 --> 00:14:30,679 of menopause 345 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:36,240 in 2010 gynecologist David Baker decided 346 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,278 to check out what so many of his 347 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:41,919 patients were taking he bought dozens of 348 00:14:39,278 --> 00:14:47,600 brands of black coo supplements and 349 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:50,879 started testing the DNA 30% had no black 350 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Kash and the the samples that we found 351 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:57,399 we could identify the other plants as 352 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,159 well and they were from ornamental 353 00:14:57,399 --> 00:15:01,799 plants from China 354 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:03,759 Baker and his colleagues published the 355 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:05,879 results in an academic Journal but they 356 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:08,278 didn't get much attention so they kept 357 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:10,799 on testing other supplements produced 358 00:15:08,278 --> 00:15:15,198 results that were no less 359 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:18,240 disturbing upwards of 15% of supplements 360 00:15:15,198 --> 00:15:23,799 like Sal pometto or not Sal 361 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:25,320 pometto uh supplements like um Devil's 362 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:29,439 claw 363 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:33,160 100% are not Devil's claw or 364 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:37,360 contaminated with some other 365 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:38,480 problem what I see in this is that there 366 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,360 are 367 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:45,959 those who take the easy way out a 368 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:49,839 fraudulent way and want to put something 369 00:15:45,958 --> 00:15:53,518 in the bottle that's cheap and readily 370 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:53,519 available and buyer 371 00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:58,639 beware with billions of dollars at stake 372 00:15:56,799 --> 00:16:01,078 it's no surprise that the supplement is 373 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:03,480 industry is a powerful force in 374 00:16:01,078 --> 00:16:06,120 Washington there are four separate Lobby 375 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:09,199 groups the largest the natural products 376 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,839 Association headed by Daniel fabricant 377 00:16:09,198 --> 00:16:12,958 you know a lot of products now you'll 378 00:16:10,839 --> 00:16:14,079 see private label a lot of the contract 379 00:16:12,958 --> 00:16:16,479 manufacturers that make the private 380 00:16:14,078 --> 00:16:19,599 label are a members as well it's the 381 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,800 same Daniel fabricant who until 2014 was 382 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,000 in charge of regulating dietary 383 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:26,879 supplements at the 384 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:30,159 FDA he defends what critics have called 385 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:31,879 a disturbing revolving door 386 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:34,000 folks who understand an industry make 387 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:35,240 for very effective Regulators I think 388 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,839 that it certainly worked for the 389 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:41,680 consumer benefit which at the end of the 390 00:16:36,839 --> 00:16:43,079 day I think FDA the industry in are in 391 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:45,479 the same business is to make sure 392 00:16:43,078 --> 00:16:47,838 consumers have access to safe healthy 393 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,519 products do you accept that there is a 394 00:16:47,839 --> 00:16:51,399 problem with adulteration though in the 395 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:52,839 natural health food industry there may 396 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:55,318 be some supply chain issues we need to 397 00:16:52,839 --> 00:16:56,880 be mindful of but again I think that 398 00:16:55,318 --> 00:16:59,000 there are federal authorities that cover 399 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:01,159 that that ensure that products are made 400 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,759 to you know made to certain quality 401 00:17:01,159 --> 00:17:04,759 parameters it's defined by law and if 402 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:06,199 firms don't there are clear consequences 403 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:08,318 so I think that that's the important 404 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:10,720 thing is and Americans have a high 405 00:17:08,318 --> 00:17:12,119 degree of confidence in the products 406 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,558 because of 407 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:17,639 that but just months after leaving the 408 00:17:14,558 --> 00:17:20,279 FDA fabricant didn't sound so confident 409 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,679 himself in a presentation to a trade 410 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:25,959 Association conference he shared some of 411 00:17:22,679 --> 00:17:25,959 the results of FDA 412 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:30,319 inspections you talked about the some of 413 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:33,119 the findings the companies that were 414 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:34,798 doing no testing uh have no idea of what 415 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,319 they're buying or selling companies that 416 00:17:34,798 --> 00:17:40,119 have no standards inadequate records 417 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,960 being kept no specification set and this 418 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,798 is a quotation the extreme of this 419 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,600 observation is more common than 420 00:17:44,798 --> 00:17:49,639 expected which I read to be this is 421 00:17:47,599 --> 00:17:50,959 worse than the extreme those are the 422 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,120 companies we took action against those 423 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,558 are the companies we drove out of 424 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,959 business though I'm speaking from my 425 00:17:53,558 --> 00:17:57,798 experience when I was a regulator when 426 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,880 we saw those problems and they were they 427 00:17:57,798 --> 00:18:01,599 were extreme we threw the book at people 428 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,600 and so I think that that's you know 429 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:04,879 that's good news for consumers as how 430 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:06,959 how many companies did you throw at a 431 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,280 business uh quite a number I think we 432 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:12,720 processed over 25 injunctions during my 433 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:15,038 time at the agency mhm so in in an 434 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,360 industry that has 4,000 or more 435 00:18:15,038 --> 00:18:20,879 manufacturers is that significant I got 436 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,279 my 25 you get yours I'm not a regulator 437 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,200 I don't think that's going to happen it 438 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:27,759 is significant it's very 439 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,480 significant the FDA division in charge 440 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:32,480 of the supplement industry is Tiny just 441 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,720 25 442 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,558 employees they target companies they 443 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:40,679 consider the most risky but agree the 444 00:18:37,558 --> 00:18:42,879 problem remains much bigger than that 445 00:18:40,679 --> 00:18:44,720 because of the targeting and because of 446 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,320 traditionally the way this industry has 447 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,400 developed over time we do see a higher 448 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:51,000 proportion of inspections that we do 449 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,320 with dietary supplements a higher 450 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,359 proportion of them that have substantial 451 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:57,839 problems than in other categories that 452 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,399 we regulate how much does that worry you 453 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:02,918 um it of course it's a concern because 454 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:06,320 ultimately this isn't about us and it 455 00:19:02,919 --> 00:19:09,320 isn't about the companies it's about the 456 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:11,200 consumers to many supplements may look 457 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:13,879 like prescription drugs but there's a 458 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,038 big difference drug makers have to prove 459 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,480 their products are safe and effective 460 00:19:16,038 --> 00:19:20,798 before putting them on the market those 461 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,640 who make supplements don't not unless 462 00:19:20,798 --> 00:19:25,359 they're introducing a new ingredient 463 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:28,559 that's never been marketed 464 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,839 before it's an absurd absurd system in 465 00:19:28,558 --> 00:19:32,480 the future many years we'll look back 466 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:35,279 and we'll say how could we have possibly 467 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,558 done this it took a hundred years of 468 00:19:35,279 --> 00:19:40,000 thoughtful regulatory advances to ensure 469 00:19:38,558 --> 00:19:43,240 that drugs now we're talking about 470 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,440 prescription drugs are both safe and 471 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:49,960 effective how could it be that the clock 472 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:52,798 turned back to the world of uh 1920s 473 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:57,240 1930s when you can sell something 474 00:19:52,798 --> 00:19:59,839 without any evidence that it's safe or 475 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,558 effective we are back at the turn of a 476 00:19:59,839 --> 00:20:05,038 century when snake oil salesmen could 477 00:20:02,558 --> 00:20:08,079 Hawk their potions with promises that 478 00:20:05,038 --> 00:20:10,960 couldn't be kept in the early 1990s the 479 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:13,319 head of the FDA was David Kesler that is 480 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,240 absolutely false he arrived in office 481 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:17,599 promising tougher regulations for 482 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,440 supplements in particular demanding 483 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:23,959 Health claims be backed by scientific 484 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,360 evidence the industry went Bonkers 485 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,840 everything 486 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,279 exploded I mean I've taken on some of 487 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:34,720 the hardest regulatory 488 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:39,399 issues me I did uh tobacco tobacco 489 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:43,038 looked easy compared U to dietary 490 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:46,519 supplements what what happened was the 491 00:20:43,038 --> 00:20:50,000 dietary supplement industry 492 00:20:46,519 --> 00:20:52,240 recognized that the standard that we set 493 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,759 significant scientific agreement would 494 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,679 require 495 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:58,679 it before it could make a claim to have 496 00:20:56,679 --> 00:21:01,840 a scientific basis and they just 497 00:20:58,679 --> 00:21:04,600 couldn't make any claim and they saw 498 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:09,000 literally billions of dollars at 499 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:13,359 stake and they Unleashed a lobbying 500 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,359 campaign that was Second To 501 00:21:14,679 --> 00:21:19,720 None the campaign was as dramatic as it 502 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,480 was 503 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,720 effective hey guys got it's only vitam 504 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:30,038 complete with Hollywood 505 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:30,038 stars vitamin C you know like in oranges 506 00:21:30,919 --> 00:21:38,278 Congress received more letters regarding 507 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,240 this than they ever received regarding 508 00:21:38,278 --> 00:21:42,960 the Vietnam 509 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:45,000 War Dan Hurley has written what many 510 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,600 consider the definitive account of the 511 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:50,319 industry's battle with the regulator we 512 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:52,319 hear people claiming that FDA is while 513 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:55,119 David kler was trying to convince 514 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,480 Congress behind the scenes another kler 515 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:00,239 was at 516 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:03,360 work Jerry wrer ran a large dietary 517 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,278 supplement company was a very strong W 518 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,000 character the FDA is going to limit 519 00:22:05,278 --> 00:22:08,960 potencies of vitamins which is what 520 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:12,319 they've said the FDA is going to take 521 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:16,000 herbs and make them drugs and he called 522 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:19,200 together every leading manufacturer to 523 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:22,679 come out to his Ranch in California 524 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:26,278 which used to belong to Ray Croc of 525 00:22:22,679 --> 00:22:28,640 McDonald's okay so Jerry basically 526 00:22:26,278 --> 00:22:32,960 stands up before the group and says as 527 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:37,600 this is the either the end of our of our 528 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:40,558 industry or a new beginning and we have 529 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:42,918 to defend our 530 00:22:40,558 --> 00:22:45,918 interests Jerry kastler would turn out 531 00:22:42,919 --> 00:22:48,400 to be a very effective lobbyist joining 532 00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:50,200 forces with powerful political friends 533 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,080 because today we honored the wishes of 534 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:55,360 100 million people consumers of dietary 535 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:58,879 supplements friends like Senator Orin 536 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:01,079 hatch of Utah the senator deined to be 537 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,880 interviewed his state has seen as the 538 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:06,119 global Center for dietary supplement 539 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,320 manufacturing his son has lobbied for 540 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,158 the industry and hatch himself his own 541 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:12,839 shares in at least one supplement 542 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:15,480 company he's never hidden the fact he's 543 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:17,599 a Believer we know that the American 544 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,880 people are not a bunch of cooks or a 545 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:22,240 bunch of dummies and what the people 546 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,760 want is a right to use products which 547 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,038 have helped them for 548 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:28,400 centuries the campaign 549 00:23:26,038 --> 00:23:30,960 worked Jerry Kesler 550 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,519 said forget this law that's going to 551 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,000 actually regulate we need a law that 552 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:39,079 says uh you can't regulate these 553 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,880 products and he named it the dietary 554 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:43,359 supplement health and Education Act he 555 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,520 came up with the name of it Jerry 556 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:48,199 Kessler did a 557 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:49,839 manufacturer the one concession the FDA 558 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,480 did get was an agreement that 559 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:53,639 manufacturers would not make unproven 560 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,400 Health 561 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,919 claims and so for example they can't say 562 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,798 their products cure our arthritis or 563 00:23:58,919 --> 00:24:04,440 prevent heart disease but they can say 564 00:24:01,798 --> 00:24:07,400 they support things like bone density 565 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,120 promote cardiovascular health what 566 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:13,000 Congress did is basically said industry 567 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,839 you go make the claims and if FDA has a 568 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,159 problem with it FDA has to prove it's 569 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:20,038 false or misleading so the horse is out 570 00:24:17,159 --> 00:24:22,520 of out of the barn FDA then has to go 571 00:24:20,038 --> 00:24:25,319 seiz the produ go into court and it has 572 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:27,839 the burden 784 a bill to amend the 573 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:29,240 federal Food Drug and cosmetic act to 574 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:31,000 establish standards with respect to 575 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,200 dietary supplements problems with the 576 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:36,240 legislation would become apparent even 577 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,360 before it passed the FDA was getting 578 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,679 complaints about popular new weight loss 579 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,278 supplements containing an ingredient 580 00:24:40,679 --> 00:24:45,159 called 581 00:24:42,278 --> 00:24:48,200 aedra manufactur has fought the FDA for 582 00:24:45,159 --> 00:24:50,360 more than a decade yesterday 23-year-old 583 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,880 Steve Beckler became the first baseball 584 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,079 player ever to die in it wasn't until a 585 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,159 young major league pitcher died after 586 00:24:55,079 --> 00:25:02,119 taking a fedra that sales were halted 587 00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:03,720 called edra by then more than 160 deaths 588 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,319 had been linked to the 589 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:10,519 supplement it almost takes a sacrificial 590 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:12,759 lamb to die of liver injury or some 591 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:15,558 other injury before the Food and Drug 592 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:16,359 Administration can take any action I am 593 00:25:15,558 --> 00:25:18,519 Dr 594 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,959 Bowski thank thanks for being here Dr 595 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:23,158 Herbert Bowski is an investigator with a 596 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,360 liver Injury Network funded by the 597 00:25:23,159 --> 00:25:27,720 National Institutes of Health let me get 598 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,798 a listen of your your lungs and then 599 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,798 concerned about the harm supplements are 600 00:25:29,798 --> 00:25:35,960 causing and just just lie lie back there 601 00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:38,599 for this has been sort of the fastest 602 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:41,240 growing kind of liver injury that we're 603 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:44,719 observing in the drug induced liver 604 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:48,038 Injury Network the frequency with which 605 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:52,000 we see this has roughly tripled in the 606 00:25:48,038 --> 00:25:54,038 last 10 years about 7% of all the cases 607 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,159 that we've enrolled into this network 608 00:25:54,038 --> 00:25:59,000 over the years were due to these in the 609 00:25:57,159 --> 00:26:02,320 last couple of years it's been around 610 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,839 20% it's incredibly hard to quantify the 611 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:06,158 current problem how much harm are 612 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:08,240 supplements doing just yesterday I was 613 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:10,278 talking to a patient who suffered a 614 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:14,000 bleeding stroke into his brain after 615 00:26:10,278 --> 00:26:16,640 taking just one um workout supplement 616 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,278 and the reason why we don't know is that 617 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,240 there's no effective system to detect 618 00:26:19,278 --> 00:26:23,960 harm from 619 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,480 supplements take what happened in Hawaii 620 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,159 in the summer of 2013 there was an 621 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,079 outbreak of liver problem Health 622 00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:31,720 officials would link to a diet and 623 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:34,038 workout 624 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,558 supplement we didn't know if it was 625 00:26:34,038 --> 00:26:38,599 something in you know the Hawaiian 626 00:26:36,558 --> 00:26:42,079 population or or some sort of 627 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:45,079 contaminant or what exactly the problem 628 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:47,798 was the state's only transplant center 629 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:50,839 was overrun an initial cluster of seven 630 00:26:47,798 --> 00:26:53,798 patients grew to more than two dozen two 631 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:55,439 of them sick enough to need new livers 632 00:26:53,798 --> 00:26:57,079 it was difficult it was stressful cuz 633 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,720 people were calling up and they were 634 00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:01,879 continually referring new patients and 635 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,038 um I don't have enough organs to give I 636 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,520 I don't know how I could put all these 637 00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:07,240 patients on a transplant list and 638 00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:09,599 possibly save all of them sad news 639 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,000 tonight from the family of a Maui woman 640 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:14,158 the mother of seven who fell ill after 641 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,359 taking diet pills the Department of 642 00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:19,720 Health reports 32 cases of liver damage 643 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,398 o elite pro and health officials dietary 644 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,360 supplement oxy elite pro just two months 645 00:27:22,398 --> 00:27:26,798 before the outbreak the makers of oxy 646 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,319 elite pro had been pressured to pull an 647 00:27:26,798 --> 00:27:31,759 earlier form a from the market following 648 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:34,720 years of complaints the new version 649 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:38,359 included a compound called 650 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:41,240 ageline now ageline is a normal 651 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:46,359 component of the baale tree and it's 652 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:49,240 been used as as a natural product by 653 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:52,839 naturopathic healers for 654 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:56,880 centuries usually fairly safely but they 655 00:27:52,839 --> 00:28:00,519 didn't use bail tree extract they bought 656 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,679 ageline from a Chinese drug company that 657 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:06,679 made ageline at least the company 658 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:10,360 claimed it was ageline and within a few 659 00:28:06,679 --> 00:28:14,559 months uh they began to observe patients 660 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,519 with liver failure uh mostly in Hawaii 661 00:28:14,558 --> 00:28:19,519 but not 662 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:22,519 entirely Cynthia novid is a chief petty 663 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:25,200 officer with the US Navy based in San 664 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:28,240 Diego she turned to oxy elite pro to 665 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,159 help pass Fitness tests 666 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,798 it helped keep my weight down it helped 667 00:28:31,159 --> 00:28:36,080 you know just give me that extra push 668 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:38,200 during the workout and I was liking it 669 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:40,759 and know I would take 670 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,840 it but only halfway through the first 671 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:46,119 bottle Cynthia's eyes started turning 672 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:48,558 yellow her doctor had bad 673 00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:53,038 news that's when he told 674 00:28:48,558 --> 00:28:56,398 me that your liver is shot pretty 675 00:28:53,038 --> 00:28:59,440 much I possibly need a liver 676 00:28:56,398 --> 00:29:02,359 transplant she would get a 677 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:05,600 transplant the FDA has linked oxy Elite 678 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:07,439 to more than 70 cases of liver damage 679 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:10,558 the company declined to be interviewed 680 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,558 and denies any 681 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,640 responsibility doctors in Hawaii still 682 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,880 remember how slow the FDA was to act 683 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,278 they say they followed all the 684 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,600 directions on the agency's medwatch 685 00:29:20,278 --> 00:29:25,319 website they phoned several times but it 686 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:27,719 wasn't until they approached the State 687 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:31,398 Health authorities that the FDA they 688 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:33,278 finally called them back they told one 689 00:29:31,398 --> 00:29:34,759 of our liver doctors that you know they 690 00:29:33,278 --> 00:29:36,599 thought she was a prankster because she 691 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,919 had sent in her you know private email 692 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:40,199 address and you know kept bugging them 693 00:29:38,919 --> 00:29:42,640 and you know they didn't think we were 694 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,960 real they weren't taking you seriously 695 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,840 no it would be nice if there was a 696 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,240 system that you know we could use and 697 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,959 get some consistent results but the FDA 698 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,440 says they do have a system that's what 699 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,360 medat is you know right but I don't know 700 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,360 if they're overwhelmed but the way it 701 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:01,558 stands is there's you know we're not 702 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:05,558 getting a response as quick as we 703 00:30:01,558 --> 00:30:08,038 probably should be in Hawaii there were 704 00:30:05,558 --> 00:30:10,960 uh reports of a cluster of people who 705 00:30:08,038 --> 00:30:12,359 develop severe liver problems the doctor 706 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,919 in the case that we have spoken with 707 00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:17,278 raises troubling questions repeatedly 708 00:30:14,919 --> 00:30:19,720 she says she and her colleagues tried to 709 00:30:17,278 --> 00:30:21,640 contact medwatch tried to report and 710 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,798 tried to get advice from the FDA as to 711 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,919 what to do and repeatedly she says they 712 00:30:23,798 --> 00:30:28,879 heard nothing back had you heard this 713 00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:30,240 before no I can't deal with hear saying 714 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,799 speculation and I'm not going to 715 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,759 speculate what I can tell you is when 716 00:30:32,798 --> 00:30:36,480 the documents did come in the FDA that 717 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,879 alerted us to the problem in Hawaii we 718 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,519 were able to remove the product within a 719 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,799 month by that point there were 56 cases 720 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:44,798 of liver damage that had been reported 721 00:30:42,798 --> 00:30:46,759 and this was for a company that only 6 722 00:30:44,798 --> 00:30:49,000 months earlier had had another 723 00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:51,640 formulation there removed what there 724 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,839 were there weren't 56 cases reported 725 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,559 until sometime after we had the product 726 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:59,240 removed we had the product removed with 727 00:30:55,558 --> 00:30:59,240 effectively about 20 cases 728 00:30:59,638 --> 00:31:03,359 Cynthia novida is one of more than a 729 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:05,119 hundred people who are now suing the 730 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:08,240 makers of oxy elite 731 00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:11,879 pro a 23-year veteran with the Navy she 732 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,679 had hoped to get her 25-year service pin 733 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,519 that's not likely to happen 734 00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:19,759 now you know I have to be able to travel 735 00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:21,679 and can't do that now can't go on a ship 736 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,638 because they don't carry the meds that I 737 00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:25,798 need 738 00:31:23,638 --> 00:31:28,079 continuously her doctors tell her the 739 00:31:25,798 --> 00:31:31,440 price of that one pill is that she'll 740 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:33,918 have to take 19 pills every day for the 741 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:37,080 rest of her 742 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:39,360 life the makers of oxy Elite deny all 743 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:42,319 claims against 744 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:45,359 them the allegations against USP Labs 745 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:47,000 and its operators but in November 2015 746 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,359 the justice department launched a 747 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,919 criminal case against the company and 748 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:53,839 arrested four of its Executives frud 749 00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:56,559 charges Vigilant when it comes to the 750 00:31:53,839 --> 00:32:01,038 health and safety of the American public 751 00:31:56,558 --> 00:32:03,638 it's a Great Big Beautiful Day omega3 is 752 00:32:01,038 --> 00:32:06,398 essential for good health the promises 753 00:32:03,638 --> 00:32:07,879 are endless the minerals your kids need 754 00:32:06,398 --> 00:32:10,119 but even if what you buy in those 755 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,399 bottles is real critics contend there's 756 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:16,278 a bigger problem many supplements simply 757 00:32:13,398 --> 00:32:17,599 don't work what's worse they could be 758 00:32:16,278 --> 00:32:20,240 doing you 759 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:22,000 harm now supplements I get this question 760 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,079 all the time I only take four pills our 761 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,319 screens blare advice on how to get 762 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:27,720 health from a pill and today I'd like to 763 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:29,839 talk to you a little bit about 764 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,319 supplementation reputations have been 765 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:34,558 built on dispensing that advice that 766 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:37,158 everyone should be taking a multivitamin 767 00:32:34,558 --> 00:32:39,558 multimineral product as insurance 768 00:32:37,159 --> 00:32:42,820 against but amid all the hype what's 769 00:32:39,558 --> 00:32:46,359 often lost is the 770 00:32:42,819 --> 00:32:49,278 [Music] 771 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:51,759 science when people walk into the 772 00:32:49,278 --> 00:32:53,599 dietary supplement or vitamin store um 773 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,759 they think that everything is just 774 00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,038 perfectly 775 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:59,158 safe in addition to being a pediatri 776 00:32:57,038 --> 00:33:01,440 nutrition Paul offet is a best-selling 777 00:32:59,159 --> 00:33:05,000 author whose book do you believe in 778 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,960 magic questions are supplement habit so 779 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,880 I've got uh vitamins for children and 780 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,639 vitamins for adults the problem is is 781 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,000 that when you look on the the back you 782 00:33:10,638 --> 00:33:15,839 find that a number of these vitamins are 783 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,440 contained in uh in amounts that are much 784 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,278 greater than the recommended daily 785 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:23,558 allowance offet believes we simply take 786 00:33:20,278 --> 00:33:25,638 too many I think multivitamins don't 787 00:33:23,558 --> 00:33:27,798 hurt you which is to say vitamins at or 788 00:33:25,638 --> 00:33:29,240 around the recommend daily L for each of 789 00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:30,558 those vitamins I mean you need vitamins 790 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,839 to live the question is do you get 791 00:33:30,558 --> 00:33:33,359 enough in food and I think the answer to 792 00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:35,199 that question is yes but now there are 793 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,959 studies done done showing if you use a 794 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,600 me take a mega vitamin you actually can 795 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,399 hurt yourself you actually can increase 796 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,719 your risk of cancer increase your risk 797 00:33:40,398 --> 00:33:44,359 of heart disease I think few people know 798 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,440 the risks they're taking and how do you 799 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:49,558 know what's too much you here's how you 800 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,558 know what's too much you shouldn't 801 00:33:49,558 --> 00:33:56,119 bypass the satiety level your stomach is 802 00:33:52,558 --> 00:33:59,440 only so big for a reason he illustrates 803 00:33:56,119 --> 00:34:00,918 the point with a 1,000 mg of vitamin C 804 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,200 that's one of these 805 00:34:00,919 --> 00:34:05,480 pills to get the same amount of the 806 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,878 vitamin from a food source you'd have to 807 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,918 eat between seven and eight entire 808 00:34:08,878 --> 00:34:12,719 cantaloupes no you're not meant to eat 809 00:34:10,918 --> 00:34:16,000 eight cantaloupes it's a dangerous thing 810 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:18,519 to do to go against what nature intends 811 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,079 it's even worse with vitamin E he 812 00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:23,639 says this capsule has a th000 813 00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:26,399 international units you can also find 814 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,320 vitamin E in almonds but to get the same 815 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:31,719 1,000 units you'd have to eat a lot of 816 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,440 almonds 817 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,759 1,670 to be precise scientific Studies 818 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,679 have shown that that much vitamin E can 819 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,280 be 820 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,878 dangerous if you take large quantities 821 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,879 of vitamin E as a supplement you clearly 822 00:34:43,878 --> 00:34:48,000 and definitively increase your risk of 823 00:34:45,878 --> 00:34:50,118 prostate cancer and in a better world in 824 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,878 a regulated world where vitamin E a 825 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:54,119 regulated product it should have a 826 00:34:51,878 --> 00:34:57,400 blackbox warning on it that says just 827 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:59,358 that vitamins E and C are an 828 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,880 antioxidants and for years we've been 829 00:34:59,358 --> 00:35:04,880 told to take them because antioxidants 830 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:08,160 are the mortal enemy of free radicals 831 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,160 cells linked to cancer and other 832 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:12,838 diseases I mean if you look at people 833 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:14,358 for example who eat diets rich in fruits 834 00:35:12,838 --> 00:35:17,279 rich in vegetables they contain 835 00:35:14,358 --> 00:35:18,679 antioxidants they do seem to live longer 836 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,640 and have lesser rates of cancer and 837 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,440 heart disease so the thinking was great 838 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:25,039 okay now we figured out a way to make 839 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,400 ourselves healthier now let's let's 840 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,119 let's double down and take even larger 841 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,880 quantities of antioxidants and that's 842 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,880 where we cross the line and now study 843 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,880 after study shows that in fact it's true 844 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,240 you can take too much in the way of 845 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,880 antioxidants in response to the studies 846 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,159 in 2013 one of the world's most 847 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,320 important scientific journals published 848 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,960 an 849 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,559 editorial enough is enough argued the 850 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,119 case is closed supplementing the diet of 851 00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:52,799 well-nourished adults with most 852 00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:56,559 supplements has no clear benefit and 853 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,680 might even be harmful Dr alisso yr was 854 00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:01,440 the lead 855 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:04,199 author this might be the some of the 856 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,920 best well studied compounds in in the 857 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:10,879 history of mankind in terms of of uh 858 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:13,559 clinical trials uh there there well over 859 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,039 a couple hundred uh thousand people that 860 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,759 have participated in in clinical trial 861 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:20,920 so the conclusions that we have for 862 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:24,760 antioxidant vitamins I think are very 863 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,358 strong vitamin D is not an antioxidant 864 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,760 but it is one of the top selling 865 00:36:26,358 --> 00:36:30,519 vitamins in 866 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,520 America pushed with information that's 867 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,119 often confusing vitamin D to pick one 868 00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:36,599 vitamin to push to everybody to think 869 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:39,400 about again in their lives it's vitamin 870 00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:42,119 D it's true we do all need some vitamin 871 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:45,358 D The Institute of medicine recommends 872 00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:48,079 adults get 600 international units a day 873 00:36:45,358 --> 00:36:51,239 in vitamin D3 but look at the doses some 874 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:54,119 others are suggested recomended 5,000 875 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,719 IUS daily 5,000 I tends to be perfect 876 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,079 when people are initially really on one 877 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,639 website I answered just three questions 878 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:03,400 my age my height and my weight and I was 879 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:07,719 told I needed 10,000 international units 880 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:11,240 a day 16 times the iom's 881 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:15,039 recommendation when I hear that various 882 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:18,279 groups are recommending 10,000 IUS a day 883 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:23,159 or even 5,000 IUS a day 884 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:28,359 routinely I really want to say show me 885 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:30,879 the data show me the evidence 886 00:37:28,358 --> 00:37:33,679 evidence is what Dr Joanne Manson is 887 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:37,079 accumulating here she's collected blood 888 00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:39,838 samples from over 25,000 people the 889 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:43,000 vital trial is to our knowledge the 890 00:37:39,838 --> 00:37:46,679 largest randomized clinical trial of 891 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,760 vitamin D supplementation in the world 892 00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:50,480 Manson is comparing disease rates 893 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,400 between those who take Vitamin D 894 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,440 supplements and those who don't final 895 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,039 results won't be known until 896 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:01,838 2017 but but already she has 897 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:04,279 concerns many people are taking too much 898 00:38:01,838 --> 00:38:08,400 uh vitamin D The Institute of medicine 899 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:12,280 also recommended avoiding getting above 900 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:15,280 4,000 IUS daily because that could be 901 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,800 associated with Adverse Events calcium 902 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,720 in the urine which can be associated 903 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:25,200 with kidney stones high blood calcium 904 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:28,358 calcium um in in the arteries vascular 905 00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:30,960 calcification as well soft tissue 906 00:38:28,358 --> 00:38:33,358 calcification and there are now studies 907 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,599 that show a U-shaped curve that those 908 00:38:33,358 --> 00:38:40,000 who have high as well as low blood 909 00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:42,680 levels of vitamin D have higher risks of 910 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,800 cardiovascular disease as well as all 911 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:49,799 cause mortality so we can't assume that 912 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,240 more is necessarily 913 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,200 better the third most widely used 914 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,239 supplement in America is fish oil the 915 00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:59,279 Omega-3s contained in the oil are 916 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,000 believed by many to be essential for 917 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,640 good 918 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,800 health DHA omega-3 in particular is is 919 00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:07,920 extremely 920 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,720 important it also helps prevent disease 921 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,519 according to the man who heads one of 922 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,439 the largest fish oil trade associations 923 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,519 it's different from them there's 924 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,159 certainly ample evidence that it helps 925 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:20,199 things like reducing blood pressure 926 00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:23,358 reducing your risk of coronary 927 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:26,239 death but the science behind fish oil is 928 00:39:23,358 --> 00:39:28,880 a little more complicated than that so 929 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,559 these are two capsules this is a FDA 930 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,519 approved product this is Dr Preston 931 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,679 Mason is a Harvard University researcher 932 00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:37,719 here he's comparing prescription quality 933 00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:40,199 fish oil to the oil found in 934 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,439 over-the-counter supplements and uh give 935 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,439 it a 936 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:48,400 smell smells a little bit fishy but not 937 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:50,239 not bad right smells you're going to 938 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,838 have always some 939 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,519 smell one of the issues with fish oil is 940 00:39:52,838 --> 00:39:58,440 it's delicate it's extracted as a 941 00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:00,400 byproduct from oil fish like anchovies 942 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,280 as the fish get crushed the oil is 943 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:07,280 exposed to oxygen and it doesn't take 944 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,280 much oxygen to turn the oil 945 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:12,119 rancid this is a common supplement for 946 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,838 fish 947 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:17,800 oil see what that smells 948 00:40:15,838 --> 00:40:21,400 like 949 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,200 oh what that doesn't smell good that's 950 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,559 that smells like it's going bad yeah 951 00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,598 right yeah it's a very strong fishy 952 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,639 smell 953 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:32,119 if it was simply an odor issue that 954 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:34,639 would be one thing but oxidized oil 955 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:37,318 contains oxidized lipids one of the 956 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:40,639 building blocks of cells we've long 957 00:40:37,318 --> 00:40:43,759 known that lipids when oxidized can be 958 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:45,960 harmful so oxidized lipid triggers 959 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,680 inflammatory responses within our body 960 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,318 particularly in our cells and uh if we 961 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:53,559 ingest oxidized lipid we can trigger 962 00:40:51,318 --> 00:40:55,318 these inflammatory changes that can lead 963 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,838 to things like cardiovascular 964 00:40:55,318 --> 00:40:58,960 disease 965 00:40:56,838 --> 00:41:01,440 recently Mason published his own study 966 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,800 of fish oil supplements the results were 967 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,280 consistent with other studies showing 968 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,760 high levels of 969 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,319 oxidation one in New Zealand found 83% 970 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,079 of fish oils tested failed to meet the 971 00:41:11,318 --> 00:41:16,079 industry's own 972 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:18,000 standard it was shocking to see such a 973 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,119 high proportion of products that that 974 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,639 had high oxidation levels and so we went 975 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:24,400 and and actually bought 47 products from 976 00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:27,318 the New Zealand market and had them 977 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,720 tested at multiple labs and we did not 978 00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:31,239 see that same effect well what was the 979 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,838 percentage of that you discovered that 980 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,199 were not in compliance with your 981 00:41:32,838 --> 00:41:38,119 standards uh it was it was around 20% 982 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:40,279 would you agree that 20% is still 983 00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:42,039 problematic um well from a consumer's 984 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,200 point of view I mean if if it's truly 985 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:48,920 20% Then then yeah we would like to see 986 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:50,879 those um those 20% uh improved but 987 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,079 improving the quality won't address the 988 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,920 other issue with fish oil the growing 989 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:58,119 questions about whether it prevents 990 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,039 disease to years ago epidemiologist Dr 991 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,400 Andrew Gray compiled all the best 992 00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:04,639 studies on fish oil as reported in the 993 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,920 world's most prestigious scientific 994 00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:09,598 journals I think for cardiovascular 995 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,039 disease one has to say there is no 996 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:15,119 compelling evidence that taking fish 997 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:18,838 oils protects against a first heart 998 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:22,200 attack or a second heart attack and so 999 00:42:18,838 --> 00:42:25,480 people who are advised to do that or are 1000 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:27,078 doing it are are are wasting their time 1001 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,519 and the 1002 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:31,880 money but the fish oil industry 1003 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:35,199 continues to insist there is a benefit 1004 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,800 particularly for preventing heart 1005 00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:40,558 attacks we asked their spokesman to send 1006 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,318 us his best evidence which included some 1007 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:46,640 of the same studies gray had cited and 1008 00:42:43,318 --> 00:42:48,279 didn't seem to support his case this one 1009 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,719 says it doesn't appear to reduce sudden 1010 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:54,880 cardiac death the next one insufficient 1011 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:56,719 evidence jamama 2012 overall omega-3 1012 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,119 supplementation was not a associated 1013 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,558 with a lower risk of all cause mortality 1014 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,880 another journal the evidence is not 1015 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:05,040 clear cut and any benefits are almost 1016 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,599 certainly not as great as previously 1017 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:09,079 believed so that doesn't seem to be 1018 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,838 suggesting there's an overwhelming 1019 00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:13,519 amount of evidence yeah well I I think 1020 00:43:11,838 --> 00:43:15,480 what you're looking at are the abstracts 1021 00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:16,800 but the conclusions are the conclusions 1022 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,400 well but but again those papers are 1023 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,160 looking at very large areas of 1024 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,400 cardiovascular disease and and um you 1025 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:27,078 know I think it's it's hard to argue 1026 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,240 that Omega-3s aren't important for how 1027 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:31,160 your heart 1028 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:34,159 functions many researchers agree if you 1029 00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:36,358 get them from eating actual fish the 1030 00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,679 problem is science still hasn't proven 1031 00:43:36,358 --> 00:43:39,799 its true for 1032 00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:42,358 supplements we would think that 1033 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,039 something that's natural That's 1034 00:43:42,358 --> 00:43:47,358 essential to normal cell function and 1035 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:50,318 body function would have clinical 1036 00:43:47,358 --> 00:43:51,880 benefits uh it just has to be proven but 1037 00:43:50,318 --> 00:43:55,800 in the meantime there's certainly been a 1038 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,079 lot of promotion suggesting a benefit in 1039 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,480 every everything from Alzheimer's 1040 00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:02,640 disease to cardiovascular disease but we 1041 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,199 still need the strong clinical trials to 1042 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:07,519 validate those 1043 00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:09,759 hypothesis the same can be said about 1044 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:11,719 virtually every product the supplement 1045 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,680 industry sells essal vitamins and 1046 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,078 minerals to help keep you we wanted to 1047 00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:17,358 discuss the issues with some of the 1048 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:21,039 industry's most prominent Advocates so 1049 00:44:17,358 --> 00:44:24,519 many questions so many concerns Dr in 1050 00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:27,039 addition it's loaded with beneficial Dr 1051 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,920 Joseph vitamin D would be an example of 1052 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:32,079 that and Dr Andrew wild all decline to 1053 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,079 be 1054 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,720 interviewed while the debate continues 1055 00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:43,480 over whether supplements actually work 1056 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,759 in rural G onario there is a botanist 1057 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,039 who may have found an answer to that 1058 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,359 other Troublesome question what's 1059 00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:52,119 actually in the pills and potions that 1060 00:44:50,358 --> 00:44:55,000 we 1061 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:57,440 take Dr Steven newmaster is part of a 1062 00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:01,159 worldwide effort to collect and catalog 1063 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,519 Nature's wide array of DNA he believes 1064 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:06,440 in the power of nature to heal I buy and 1065 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:08,519 use Natural Health 1066 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,880 Products I believe in them I've used 1067 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,880 them all my life um used them with my 1068 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,720 family we have that anecdotal evidence 1069 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:19,079 that you have some ailment and you take 1070 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:22,039 a whatever the the remedy is and it's 1071 00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:24,160 dealt with so it's an irony that GF 1072 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:26,719 University was responsible for one of 1073 00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:28,239 the latest studies documenting problems 1074 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,919 with supplement 1075 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:35,239 quality in 2012 new master and his team 1076 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,079 randomly selected 44 herbal Products off 1077 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,558 the shelves in Canada and the US and 1078 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:42,359 started comparing them to the plant DNA 1079 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,640 in their datab 1080 00:45:42,358 --> 00:45:48,799 bank and we looked at the results I was 1081 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:50,759 fairly astounded like wow 60% of the 1082 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,960 products contained ingredients not 1083 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,920 listed on their labels even more 1084 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,318 astonishingly one in three proved to be 1085 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,440 outright 1086 00:45:57,318 --> 00:46:02,800 fakes if I put my consumer hat on that 1087 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,639 pissed me off because I go in to buy a 1088 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,039 product that I believe in that I care 1089 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:08,440 about and I pay a lot of money for it's 1090 00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:11,358 not even in the bottle are you kidding 1091 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,519 me unlike similar studies in the past 1092 00:46:11,358 --> 00:46:16,159 this one got noticed front page of the 1093 00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:18,318 health section in the New York Times an 1094 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:21,039 article that was read by among others 1095 00:46:18,318 --> 00:46:23,719 New York's attorney general last 1096 00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:25,358 December my office purchased a variety 1097 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,159 of storebrand herbal supplements from 1098 00:46:25,358 --> 00:46:30,078 stores in different parts of New York 1099 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,358 State Eric Schneiderman ordered up his 1100 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,480 own test of herbal supplements which 1101 00:46:32,358 --> 00:46:37,759 produced even worse results and found 1102 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:40,440 that only 21% of the products we tested 1103 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,880 uh had in fact had DNA evidence that 1104 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,559 they contained the product listed on the 1105 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:48,640 label we uh found the results to be 1106 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:51,240 shocking we purchased products from four 1107 00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:54,039 major chains Walmart Walgreens Target 1108 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:57,199 and GNC we found asparagus DNA house 1109 00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:59,318 plant DNA rice and other things but not 1110 00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,838 the product that was on the labels and 1111 00:46:59,318 --> 00:47:03,599 it seemed that there was just a massive 1112 00:47:00,838 --> 00:47:06,480 fraud going on the Attorney General 1113 00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:08,680 demanded the company stop selling the 1114 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:12,000 products at first the industry 1115 00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:14,318 questioned the methodology but then GNC 1116 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,800 the largest of the supplement retailers 1117 00:47:14,318 --> 00:47:19,759 agreed to use DNA barcoding to 1118 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,760 authenticate its 1119 00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:26,240 products the industry spokesman however 1120 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,199 still isn't convinced Daniel fabricant 1121 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,679 we're working with the Attorney 1122 00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:29,879 General's office so they understand more 1123 00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:31,440 about the industry and we understand 1124 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,358 more of their concerns I think that 1125 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,880 that's important that we work together 1126 00:47:33,358 --> 00:47:36,558 do you accept the findings that they 1127 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,200 published well I haven't been able to 1128 00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,960 review the findings no because they they 1129 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:41,239 say because it's an act of Investigation 1130 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,880 but what they have told you do you 1131 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,399 accept them without seeing the science 1132 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,838 I'm a scientist first and foremost I 1133 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,240 can't really comment on data I haven't 1134 00:47:45,838 --> 00:47:50,400 seen so is that a yes or a no that's a 1135 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,439 no you say you haven't seen the actual 1136 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,639 study from from the attorney general so 1137 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,358 you can't actually comment but you have 1138 00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:58,000 seen the study from from the guf 1139 00:47:55,358 --> 00:48:01,239 University univers that was published uh 1140 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,719 a year 2013 I've seen that and you know 1141 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,598 and what do you make of that I mean 1142 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,358 fairly similar finding well I think some 1143 00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:08,280 there's same challenges though is the 1144 00:48:06,358 --> 00:48:10,119 accreditation of the lab there's no 1145 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,319 mention of reference materials reference 1146 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:14,280 materials are critical when you're doing 1147 00:48:11,318 --> 00:48:16,079 DNA analysis um you know not knowing how 1148 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:19,240 you established a 1149 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:22,000 baseline what are you 1150 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,919 comparing new Master's comparison was to 1151 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,119 that library of DNA he an international 1152 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,440 scientists have been 1153 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:32,160 collecting we've done this now thousands 1154 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,480 actually tens of thousands of times for 1155 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:37,960 products and the process works and it 1156 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,079 works really well today 14 States 1157 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,079 Attorneys General have come together to 1158 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,720 demand 1159 00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:46,000 change not only from the industry but 1160 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,799 from the FDA and 1161 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,000 lawmakers we think that there's 1162 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,880 responsibility in Congress and there's 1163 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,920 responsibility at the agency level and 1164 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,599 we're just going to keep pressing until 1165 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,720 we can get them to take action thank 1166 00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,760 than you since that interview Federal 1167 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,879 prosecutors and Regulators announced 1168 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,119 they've taken action against over a 100 1169 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,160 companies we see a number of serious 1170 00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:10,240 issues with dietary supplements and 1171 00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:12,399 products falsely marketed as dietary 1172 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,679 supplements there are now signs that at 1173 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:18,119 least some in the industry are adopting 1174 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:20,719 new technology to ensure accurate 1175 00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:23,680 labeling we have implemented the use of 1176 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,879 DNA bar code technology here in our 1177 00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:29,679 products I think it is a game Chang 1178 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:34,079 right it's new and uh with with newness 1179 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:36,759 comes um you know first some early 1180 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:39,480 adopters Nature's Way is among those 1181 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,280 leading the way the manufacturer is one 1182 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,639 of several who have now partnered with 1183 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,839 the Canadian scientists in A Renewed 1184 00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:48,199 effort to put quality 1185 00:49:45,838 --> 00:49:50,639 first we made contact with him and 1186 00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:53,199 started a relationship which included um 1187 00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:56,358 testing many of our of our herbal 1188 00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:58,439 dietary ingredients for identity 1189 00:49:56,358 --> 00:50:01,318 right now testing is done offsite at the 1190 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,679 University of G and Dr new master is 1191 00:50:01,318 --> 00:50:05,279 working on some technology that could 1192 00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:07,838 possibly be implemented in a you know in 1193 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:11,640 a commercial manner take some of the 1194 00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:13,920 sample and simply put it into this Pro 1195 00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:15,798 new master believes the partnership is 1196 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,960 just the 1197 00:50:15,798 --> 00:50:21,358 beginning and loaded into the machine 1198 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,920 press go he's refined his barcoding 1199 00:50:21,358 --> 00:50:26,519 technology further making it cheaper and 1200 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,720 easier to use you can start testing 1201 00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:30,000 further back in the supply chain uh what 1202 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,239 about that batch that came in it's a 1203 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,318 huge vat and it's powder the DNA is 1204 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,239 excellent in that it's easy it's cheap 1205 00:50:34,318 --> 00:50:37,719 it could be tested at where it's being 1206 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,759 transported and the supplier is doing 1207 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,118 trading and buying it could be tested at 1208 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,319 the producer the farmer it could be 1209 00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:46,880 tested all the way along and I think 1210 00:50:43,318 --> 00:50:49,000 that's an appropriate way to solve the 1211 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,079 problem but that still leaves the 1212 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,838 question of what if any of this stuff 1213 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:57,359 actually works we're using the herb 1214 00:50:53,838 --> 00:50:59,078 combined with the standardized extract 1215 00:50:57,358 --> 00:51:01,318 the industry is quick to criticize 1216 00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:03,880 studies that challenge their 1217 00:51:01,318 --> 00:51:06,639 products but it hasn't produced large 1218 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,920 peer-reviewed studies of its own with 1219 00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:12,118 clinical trials where supplements are 1220 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:14,760 tested against 1221 00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:18,240 placebos the crazy thing about the 1222 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,119 dietary supplement world is there are 1223 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:23,000 none of those studies and the studies 1224 00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:25,119 that are done say the stuff doesn't 1225 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000 work there is new science out there all 1226 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,559 the time 1227 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,318 consumers are going to continue to take 1228 00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:32,400 supplements because they derive a 1229 00:51:30,318 --> 00:51:34,759 benefit over half the country every day 1230 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,838 takes a supplement safely and 1231 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,520 effectively we love the notion of a 1232 00:51:36,838 --> 00:51:40,838 magic pill with something that makes it 1233 00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:43,960 all better it's just too 1234 00:51:40,838 --> 00:51:45,719 seductive but it is a pill just like any 1235 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,318 other pill the only difference is it's 1236 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,809 an unregulated pill and you don't know 1237 00:51:47,318 --> 00:51:51,039 what's in 1238 00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:51,039 1239 00:51:54,358 --> 00:51:57,358 it 1240 00:51:57,860 --> 00:52:26,440 1241 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,040 1242 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,510 1243 00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:36,889 1244 00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:36,889 1245 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:44,720 1246 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:49,480 1247 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:52,078 1248 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,240 1249 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:57,240 1250 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,239 1251 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:18,640 1252 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:18,639 93034

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